Re: Feature suggestion: Table/matrix toolbar button

[Richard Kimberly Heck]

Il giorno gio 23 mag 2024 alle ore 21:36  ha scritto:

LyX 2.4.0 has a cool toolbar button that makes it very easy to insert a table 
of any size into text. It is grayed out in math mode. It would be very useful 
to have the same button insert a matrix in math mode.

Lorenzo Bertini  (23 May 2024 22:48):

Hi,
maybe you're already aware of this, but there is a matrix insert
button that does exactly that. It appears in the math toolbar and you
can drag the matrix to make it as big as you want, add parentheses,
etc. See screenshot attached.

On 5/23/24 16:01, fcana...@gmail.com wrote:

Sure, and there is also a menu item that shows that dialog. My suggestion is to 
bypass the dialog and utilize an existing button on the standard toolbar for 
two purposes depending on the context.


I agree: It is somewhat different. You might file an enhancement 
request. It might not be that hard to do.


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Re: Feature suggestion: Table/matrix toolbar button

[fcanatay]

Sure, and there is also a menu item that shows that dialog. My suggestion is to 
bypass the dialog and utilize an existing button on the standard toolbar for 
two purposes depending on the context.


Best,
Fatihcan




> Lorenzo Bertini  (23 May 2024 22:48):
> 
> Hi,
> maybe you're already aware of this, but there is a matrix insert
> button that does exactly that. It appears in the math toolbar and you
> can drag the matrix to make it as big as you want, add parentheses,
> etc. See screenshot attached.
> 
> Cheers,
> Lorenzo
> 
> Il giorno gio 23 mag 2024 alle ore 21:36  ha scritto:
>> 
>> LyX 2.4.0 has a cool toolbar button that makes it very easy to insert a 
>> table of any size into text. It is grayed out in math mode. It would be very 
>> useful to have the same button insert a matrix in math mode.
>> 
>> Fatihcan Atay
>> 
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Re: Feature suggestion: Table/matrix toolbar button

[Lorenzo Bertini]

Hi,
maybe you're already aware of this, but there is a matrix insert
button that does exactly that. It appears in the math toolbar and you
can drag the matrix to make it as big as you want, add parentheses,
etc. See screenshot attached.

Cheers,
Lorenzo

Il giorno gio 23 mag 2024 alle ore 21:36  ha scritto:
>
> LyX 2.4.0 has a cool toolbar button that makes it very easy to insert a table 
> of any size into text. It is grayed out in math mode. It would be very useful 
> to have the same button insert a matrix in math mode.
>
> Fatihcan Atay
>
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Feature suggestion: Table/matrix toolbar button

[fcanatay]

LyX 2.4.0 has a cool toolbar button that makes it very easy to insert a table 
of any size into text. It is grayed out in math mode. It would be very useful 
to have the same button insert a matrix in math mode. 

Fatihcan Atay   


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Re: Suggestion

[Richard Kimberly Heck]

On 12/7/23 14:38, Christopher Menzel wrote:
On Dec 6, 2023, at 10:28 PM, Richard Kimberly Heck 
 wrote:


On 12/6/23 15:55, Christopher Menzel wrote:
On Dec 6, 2023, at 2:05 PM, Richard Kimberly Heck 
 wrote:

On 12/6/23 05:24, Patrick Dupre via lyx-users wrote:

Hello,

Can I suggest to have in the "View" tab an option to zoom in, and 
zoom out?
It could be also a short cut to generate these behaviors like ctl 
-, and

ctl + or Up ctl +

Those shortcuts work here. You're on Fedora, right? Me, too.

Riki
They work under MacOS as well (2.4.0~beta5). And you can add those 
options yourself to the “View” menu by making a copy of stdmenus.inc 
(found in the “ui” subdirectory of your LyX hierarchy — probably 
/usr/local/share in LInux?), sticking it in a directory called “ui" 
your local .lyx directory (~/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.4 
under MacOS) and adding the lines


Separator
Item "Zoom In|+" "buffer-zoom-in"
Item "Zoom Out|-" "buffer-zoom-out"


LyX will complain that the accelerator is not in the menu text. But 
maybe one could do:


Item "Zoom In (+)|+" "buffer-zoom-in"


to the section of the file containing the View menu items.


Ah, yes, I didn’t see the complaint because I wasn’t firing up LyX 
from the command line. But the code I suggested still works just fine 
under both MacOS and Linux, for me anyway.


Yes, it should work, just with the complaint.

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Re: Suggestion

[Christopher Menzel]

On Dec 6, 2023, at 10:28 PM, Richard Kimberly Heck  wrote:
> 
> On 12/6/23 15:55, Christopher Menzel wrote:
>>> On Dec 6, 2023, at 2:05 PM, Richard Kimberly Heck  
>>> wrote:
>>> On 12/6/23 05:24, Patrick Dupre via lyx-users wrote:
 Hello,
 
 Can I suggest to have in the "View" tab an option to zoom in, and zoom out?
 It could be also a short cut to generate these behaviors like ctl -, and
 ctl + or Up ctl +
>>> Those shortcuts work here. You're on Fedora, right? Me, too.
>>> 
>>> Riki
>> They work under MacOS as well (2.4.0~beta5). And you can add those options 
>> yourself to the “View” menu by making a copy of stdmenus.inc (found in the 
>> “ui” subdirectory of your LyX hierarchy — probably /usr/local/share in 
>> LInux?), sticking it in a directory called “ui" your local .lyx directory 
>> (~/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.4 under MacOS) and adding the lines
>> 
>> Separator
>> Item "Zoom In|+" "buffer-zoom-in"
>> Item "Zoom Out|-" "buffer-zoom-out"
> 
> LyX will complain that the accelerator is not in the menu text. But maybe one 
> could do:
> 
> Item "Zoom In (+)|+" "buffer-zoom-in"
> 
>> to the section of the file containing the View menu items.

Ah, yes, I didn’t see the complaint because I wasn’t firing up LyX from the 
command line. But the code I suggested still works just fine under both MacOS 
and Linux, for me anyway.

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Re: Suggestion

[Richard Kimberly Heck]

On 12/7/23 03:50, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
Don't the new controls for zoom show the bindings in their tooltip? 
They should.


If you left-click on the zoom number itself, you get a little menu. But 
it's not easily discoverable. Right-clicking anywhere on the bottom bit 
gives you a choice of what's shown there.


It seems typical for zoom controls to be in the View menu on other apps.

Riki




Le 7 décembre 2023 05:28:06 GMT+01:00, Richard Kimberly Heck 
 a écrit :


On 12/6/23 15:55, Christopher Menzel wrote:

On Dec 6, 2023, at 2:05 PM, Richard Kimberly Heck
 wrote: On 12/6/23 05:24, Patrick
Dupre via lyx-users wrote:

Hello, Can I suggest to have in the "View" tab an
option to zoom in, and zoom out? It could be also a
short cut to generate these behaviors like ctl -, and
ctl + or Up ctl + 


Those shortcuts work here. You're on Fedora, right? Me,
too. Riki 


They work under MacOS as well (2.4.0~beta5). And you can add
those options yourself to the “View” menu by making a copy of
stdmenus.inc (found in the “ui” subdirectory of your LyX
hierarchy — probably /usr/local/share in LInux?), sticking it
in a directory called “ui" your local .lyx directory
(~/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.4 under MacOS) and adding
the lines Separator Item "Zoom In|+" "buffer-zoom-in" Item
"Zoom Out|-" "buffer-zoom-out" 


LyX will complain that the accelerator is not in the menu text.
But maybe one could d0: Item "Zoom In (+)|+" "buffer-zoom-in"

to the section of the file containing the View menu items. 


It's probably worth having this in the View menu by default. It's
not terribly crowded, unlike some of the other menus. But we can't
do it now, because we can't add new strings until 2.4.0 is out. Riki




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Re: Suggestion

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Don't the new controls for zoom show the bindings in their tooltip? They should.

Jmarc

Le 7 décembre 2023 05:28:06 GMT+01:00, Richard Kimberly Heck 
 a écrit :
>On 12/6/23 15:55, Christopher Menzel wrote:
>>> On Dec 6, 2023, at 2:05 PM, Richard Kimberly Heck  
>>> wrote:
>>> On 12/6/23 05:24, Patrick Dupre via lyx-users wrote:
 Hello,
 
 Can I suggest to have in the "View" tab an option to zoom in, and zoom out?
 It could be also a short cut to generate these behaviors like ctl -, and
 ctl + or Up ctl +
>>> Those shortcuts work here. You're on Fedora, right? Me, too.
>>> 
>>> Riki
>> They work under MacOS as well (2.4.0~beta5). And you can add those options 
>> yourself to the “View” menu by making a copy of stdmenus.inc (found in the 
>> “ui” subdirectory of your LyX hierarchy — probably /usr/local/share in 
>> LInux?), sticking it in a directory called “ui" your local .lyx directory 
>> (~/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.4 under MacOS) and adding the lines
>> 
>> Separator
>> Item "Zoom In|+" "buffer-zoom-in"
>> Item "Zoom Out|-" "buffer-zoom-out"
>
>LyX will complain that the accelerator is not in the menu text. But maybe one 
>could d0:
>
>Item "Zoom In (+)|+" "buffer-zoom-in"
>
>> to the section of the file containing the View menu items.
>
>It's probably worth having this in the View menu by default. It's not terribly 
>crowded, unlike some of the other menus. But we can't do it now, because we 
>can't add new strings until 2.4.0 is out.
>
>Riki
>
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Re: Suggestion

[Richard Kimberly Heck]

On 12/6/23 15:55, Christopher Menzel wrote:

On Dec 6, 2023, at 2:05 PM, Richard Kimberly Heck  wrote:
On 12/6/23 05:24, Patrick Dupre via lyx-users wrote:

Hello,

Can I suggest to have in the "View" tab an option to zoom in, and zoom out?
It could be also a short cut to generate these behaviors like ctl -, and
ctl + or Up ctl +

Those shortcuts work here. You're on Fedora, right? Me, too.

Riki

They work under MacOS as well (2.4.0~beta5). And you can add those options yourself 
to the “View” menu by making a copy of stdmenus.inc (found in the “ui” subdirectory 
of your LyX hierarchy — probably /usr/local/share in LInux?), sticking it in a 
directory called “ui" your local .lyx directory (~/Library/Application 
Support/LyX-2.4 under MacOS) and adding the lines

Separator
Item "Zoom In|+" "buffer-zoom-in"
Item "Zoom Out|-" "buffer-zoom-out"


LyX will complain that the accelerator is not in the menu text. But 
maybe one could d0:


Item "Zoom In (+)|+" "buffer-zoom-in"


to the section of the file containing the View menu items.


It's probably worth having this in the View menu by default. It's not 
terribly crowded, unlike some of the other menus. But we can't do it 
now, because we can't add new strings until 2.4.0 is out.


Riki


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Re: Suggestion

[Christopher Menzel]

> On Dec 6, 2023, at 2:05 PM, Richard Kimberly Heck  wrote:
> On 12/6/23 05:24, Patrick Dupre via lyx-users wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Can I suggest to have in the "View" tab an option to zoom in, and zoom out?
>> It could be also a short cut to generate these behaviors like ctl -, and
>> ctl + or Up ctl +
> 
> Those shortcuts work here. You're on Fedora, right? Me, too.
> 
> Riki

They work under MacOS as well (2.4.0~beta5). And you can add those options 
yourself to the “View” menu by making a copy of stdmenus.inc (found in the “ui” 
subdirectory of your LyX hierarchy — probably /usr/local/share in LInux?), 
sticking it in a directory called “ui" your local .lyx directory 
(~/Library/Application Support/LyX-2.4 under MacOS) and adding the lines

Separator
Item "Zoom In|+" "buffer-zoom-in"
Item "Zoom Out|-" "buffer-zoom-out"

to the section of the file containing the View menu items.

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Re: Suggestion

[Patrick Dupre via lyx-users]

> On 12/6/23 05:24, Patrick Dupre via lyx-users wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Can I suggest to have in the "View" tab an option to zoom in, and zoom out?
> > It could be also a short cut to generate these behaviors like ctl -, and
> > ctl + or Up ctl +
>
> Those shortcuts work here. You're on Fedora, right? Me, too.
Yes
I found: it is Alt- and Alt+

>
> Riki
>
>
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Re: Suggestion

[Richard Kimberly Heck]

On 12/6/23 05:24, Patrick Dupre via lyx-users wrote:

Hello,

Can I suggest to have in the "View" tab an option to zoom in, and zoom out?
It could be also a short cut to generate these behaviors like ctl -, and
ctl + or Up ctl +


Those shortcuts work here. You're on Fedora, right? Me, too.

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Suggestion

[Patrick Dupre via lyx-users]

Hello,

Can I suggest to have in the "View" tab an option to zoom in, and zoom out?
It could be also a short cut to generate these behaviors like ctl -, and 
ctl + or Up ctl +

Long life time to lyx

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Resource Suggestion

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Dear Sir/Madam,

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list of useful links(https://www.lyx.org/DeveloperResources) related to 
C++ which is really useful for avid C++ programmers.


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Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Georg Baum]

Liviu Andronic wrote:

 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Richard Heck rgh...@lyx.org wrote:
 
 my case). I wonder if just having the option of opening an ERT itself in
 an external
 editor would help?

 As it happens, this is the subject of:
 http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7404
 
 Georg even provided a patch, and I suspect it requires not much
 programming to polish up that patch for inclusion.

Indeed, at least a a part of the requested feature should be easy to 
integrate. However, I still don't have enough time, so if anybody wants to 
chime in it would be most welcome (and of course I'll happily answer any 
question).

 I suppose it might be an option to run tex2lyx on
 whatever we get,
 and replace the ERT inset with the result, in so far as that is possible.
 I.e., we'd have
 a sort of generic ERT--LyX routine.

 I think this would be a nice touch, indeed.

Should already work: Copy ERT, then Edit-Paste special-from LaTeX, then 
delete ERT. I guess you could even bind a command sequence to a custom key 
shortcut, so that you can type LaTeX, and having it interpreted by a single 
key combination.


Georg

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Georg Baum]

Liviu Andronic wrote:

 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Richard Heck rgh...@lyx.org wrote:
 
 my case). I wonder if just having the option of opening an ERT itself in
 an external
 editor would help?

 As it happens, this is the subject of:
 http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7404
 
 Georg even provided a patch, and I suspect it requires not much
 programming to polish up that patch for inclusion.

Indeed, at least a a part of the requested feature should be easy to 
integrate. However, I still don't have enough time, so if anybody wants to 
chime in it would be most welcome (and of course I'll happily answer any 
question).

 I suppose it might be an option to run tex2lyx on
 whatever we get,
 and replace the ERT inset with the result, in so far as that is possible.
 I.e., we'd have
 a sort of generic ERT--LyX routine.

 I think this would be a nice touch, indeed.

Should already work: Copy ERT, then Edit-Paste special-from LaTeX, then 
delete ERT. I guess you could even bind a command sequence to a custom key 
shortcut, so that you can type LaTeX, and having it interpreted by a single 
key combination.


Georg

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Georg Baum]

Liviu Andronic wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Richard Heck  wrote:
> 
>> my case). I wonder if just having the option of opening an ERT itself in
>> an external
>> editor would help?
>>
> As it happens, this is the subject of:
> http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7404
> 
> Georg even provided a patch, and I suspect it requires not much
> programming to polish up that patch for inclusion.

Indeed, at least a a part of the requested feature should be easy to 
integrate. However, I still don't have enough time, so if anybody wants to 
chime in it would be most welcome (and of course I'll happily answer any 
question).

>> I suppose it might be an option to run tex2lyx on
>> whatever we get,
>> and replace the ERT inset with the result, in so far as that is possible.
>> I.e., we'd have
>> a sort of generic ERT-->LyX routine.
>>
> I think this would be a nice touch, indeed.

Should already work: Copy ERT, then Edit->Paste special->from LaTeX, then 
delete ERT. I guess you could even bind a command sequence to a custom key 
shortcut, so that you can type LaTeX, and having it interpreted by a single 
key combination.


Georg

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Guenter Milde]

On 2015-06-10, Benedict Holland wrote:

 Since there are already excellent Latex editors, I don't
 understand why it would be desirable for Lyx to incorporate such features.

I love LyX, because I can input math from the keyboard, without click and
search in menus and dragging around - just using familiar LaTeX syntax.

The same would apply for many smaller edits (font changes, package
insertions, ...): if the source view were edible, I could do many of
these changes fast and per keyboard without searching in menus or the
shortkey-list. 

(Of course, this is from the view point of someone familiar with LaTeX - but
this is a large part of the LyX user base.)

Günter

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Richard Heck]

On 06/10/2015 04:42 AM, Madhusudan Singh wrote:

TeXmacs is a good alternative.

Hiding away preamble stuff has always been sufficiently problematic 
for me for me not to take to LyX.


Do you mean that you can't see the preamble stuff in the LyX document? 
There is an easy solution to this, if so.


Richard

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Richard Heck]

On 06/10/2015 04:13 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Guenter Milde mi...@users.sf.net wrote:

On 2015-06-10, Benedict Holland wrote:


Since there are already excellent Latex editors, I don't
understand why it would be desirable for Lyx to incorporate such features.

I love LyX, because I can input math from the keyboard, without click and
search in menus and dragging around - just using familiar LaTeX syntax.

The same would apply for many smaller edits (font changes, package
insertions, ...): if the source view were edible, I could do many of
these changes fast and per keyboard without searching in menus or the
shortkey-list.


Maybe some sort of math-like tab-activated completion could be
implemented, for commands that LyX supports natively... There'd be
less scope for getting it wrong in such a set-up.

So something along the lines of:
- activate math-like completion as in \
- propose a list of completion possibilities given an exclusive list
of commands that LyX understands and supports natively
- run tex2lyx on the input when user signals they're done
- if something didn't go to plan, spit out ERT

But I expect this wouldn't be a trivial implementation to get
everything right and cover all potential complications...


The idea of having an ERT-like box that supported completion, syntax 
highlighting, etc,
is one I've had before. But then we're talking about integrating 
something like a LaTeX
edtior into LyX, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense, from LyX's 
point of view,
especially given that, like most FOSS projects, we are very short of 
programming time.
And, as Benedict says, if one really wants to do that kind of thing, 
then at least a very
good alternative is an Input inset, which one can then edit with a real 
editor (Kile, in
my case). I wonder if just having the option of opening an ERT itself in 
an external
editor would help? I suppose it might be an option to run tex2lyx on 
whatever we get,
and replace the ERT inset with the result, in so far as that is 
possible. I.e., we'd have
a sort of generic ERT--LyX routine. I *think* that some parts of what 
is required here

already exist in the Advanced FR machinery.

Richard

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Richard Heck rgh...@lyx.org wrote:
 On 06/10/2015 04:13 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Guenter Milde mi...@users.sf.net wrote:

 On 2015-06-10, Benedict Holland wrote:

 Since there are already excellent Latex editors, I don't
 understand why it would be desirable for Lyx to incorporate such
 features.

 I love LyX, because I can input math from the keyboard, without click and
 search in menus and dragging around - just using familiar LaTeX syntax.

 The same would apply for many smaller edits (font changes, package
 insertions, ...): if the source view were edible, I could do many of
 these changes fast and per keyboard without searching in menus or the
 shortkey-list.

 Maybe some sort of math-like tab-activated completion could be
 implemented, for commands that LyX supports natively... There'd be
 less scope for getting it wrong in such a set-up.

 So something along the lines of:
 - activate math-like completion as in \
 - propose a list of completion possibilities given an exclusive list
 of commands that LyX understands and supports natively
 - run tex2lyx on the input when user signals they're done
 - if something didn't go to plan, spit out ERT

 But I expect this wouldn't be a trivial implementation to get
 everything right and cover all potential complications...


 The idea of having an ERT-like box that supported completion, syntax
 highlighting, etc,
 is one I've had before. But then we're talking about integrating something
 like a LaTeX
 edtior into LyX, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense, from LyX's point
 of view,
 especially given that, like most FOSS projects, we are very short of
 programming time.
 And, as Benedict says, if one really wants to do that kind of thing, then at
 least a very
 good alternative is an Input inset, which one can then edit with a real
 editor (Kile, in

 my case). I wonder if just having the option of opening an ERT itself in an
 external
 editor would help?

As it happens, this is the subject of:
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7404

Georg even provided a patch, and I suspect it requires not much
programming to polish up that patch for inclusion.


 I suppose it might be an option to run tex2lyx on
 whatever we get,
 and replace the ERT inset with the result, in so far as that is possible.
 I.e., we'd have
 a sort of generic ERT--LyX routine.

I think this would be a nice touch, indeed.

Regards,
Liviu


 I *think* that some parts of what is
 required here
 already exist in the Advanced FR machinery.

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Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Guenter Milde mi...@users.sf.net wrote:
 On 2015-06-10, Benedict Holland wrote:

 Since there are already excellent Latex editors, I don't
 understand why it would be desirable for Lyx to incorporate such features.

 I love LyX, because I can input math from the keyboard, without click and
 search in menus and dragging around - just using familiar LaTeX syntax.

 The same would apply for many smaller edits (font changes, package
 insertions, ...): if the source view were edible, I could do many of
 these changes fast and per keyboard without searching in menus or the
 shortkey-list.

Maybe some sort of math-like tab-activated completion could be
implemented, for commands that LyX supports natively... There'd be
less scope for getting it wrong in such a set-up.

So something along the lines of:
- activate math-like completion as in \
- propose a list of completion possibilities given an exclusive list
of commands that LyX understands and supports natively
- run tex2lyx on the input when user signals they're done
- if something didn't go to plan, spit out ERT

But I expect this wouldn't be a trivial implementation to get
everything right and cover all potential complications...

Liviu


 (Of course, this is from the view point of someone familiar with LaTeX - but
 this is a large part of the LyX user base.)

 Günter




-- 
Do you think you know what math is?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/ian-stewart-2013-08-02
Or what it means to be intelligent?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/john-duncan-2013-08-30
Think again:
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/library

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Madhusudan Singh]

TeXmacs is a good alternative.

Hiding away preamble stuff has always been sufficiently problematic for me
for me not to take to LyX.

I have not much used TeXmacs but it has a lot of this and more.

For my documents, I stick to LaTeX with a live preview. Just can't beat
that kind of power.

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Guenter Milde mi...@users.sf.net wrote:
  On 2015-06-10, Benedict Holland wrote:
 
  Since there are already excellent Latex editors, I don't
  understand why it would be desirable for Lyx to incorporate such
 features.
 
  I love LyX, because I can input math from the keyboard, without click and
  search in menus and dragging around - just using familiar LaTeX syntax.
 
  The same would apply for many smaller edits (font changes, package
  insertions, ...): if the source view were edible, I could do many of
  these changes fast and per keyboard without searching in menus or the
  shortkey-list.
 
 Maybe some sort of math-like tab-activated completion could be
 implemented, for commands that LyX supports natively... There'd be
 less scope for getting it wrong in such a set-up.

 So something along the lines of:
 - activate math-like completion as in \
 - propose a list of completion possibilities given an exclusive list
 of commands that LyX understands and supports natively
 - run tex2lyx on the input when user signals they're done
 - if something didn't go to plan, spit out ERT

 But I expect this wouldn't be a trivial implementation to get
 everything right and cover all potential complications...

 Liviu


  (Of course, this is from the view point of someone familiar with LaTeX -
 but
  this is a large part of the LyX user base.)
 
  Günter
 



 --
 Do you think you know what math is?
 http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/ian-stewart-2013-08-02
 Or what it means to be intelligent?
 http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/john-duncan-2013-08-30
 Think again:
 http://www.ideasroadshow.com/library

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Guenter Milde]

On 2015-06-10, Benedict Holland wrote:

 Since there are already excellent Latex editors, I don't
 understand why it would be desirable for Lyx to incorporate such features.

I love LyX, because I can input math from the keyboard, without click and
search in menus and dragging around - just using familiar LaTeX syntax.

The same would apply for many smaller edits (font changes, package
insertions, ...): if the source view were edible, I could do many of
these changes fast and per keyboard without searching in menus or the
shortkey-list. 

(Of course, this is from the view point of someone familiar with LaTeX - but
this is a large part of the LyX user base.)

Günter

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Guenter Milde mi...@users.sf.net wrote:
 On 2015-06-10, Benedict Holland wrote:

 Since there are already excellent Latex editors, I don't
 understand why it would be desirable for Lyx to incorporate such features.

 I love LyX, because I can input math from the keyboard, without click and
 search in menus and dragging around - just using familiar LaTeX syntax.

 The same would apply for many smaller edits (font changes, package
 insertions, ...): if the source view were edible, I could do many of
 these changes fast and per keyboard without searching in menus or the
 shortkey-list.

Maybe some sort of math-like tab-activated completion could be
implemented, for commands that LyX supports natively... There'd be
less scope for getting it wrong in such a set-up.

So something along the lines of:
- activate math-like completion as in \
- propose a list of completion possibilities given an exclusive list
of commands that LyX understands and supports natively
- run tex2lyx on the input when user signals they're done
- if something didn't go to plan, spit out ERT

But I expect this wouldn't be a trivial implementation to get
everything right and cover all potential complications...

Liviu


 (Of course, this is from the view point of someone familiar with LaTeX - but
 this is a large part of the LyX user base.)

 Günter




-- 
Do you think you know what math is?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/ian-stewart-2013-08-02
Or what it means to be intelligent?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/john-duncan-2013-08-30
Think again:
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/library

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Madhusudan Singh]

TeXmacs is a good alternative.

Hiding away preamble stuff has always been sufficiently problematic for me
for me not to take to LyX.

I have not much used TeXmacs but it has a lot of this and more.

For my documents, I stick to LaTeX with a live preview. Just can't beat
that kind of power.

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Guenter Milde mi...@users.sf.net wrote:
  On 2015-06-10, Benedict Holland wrote:
 
  Since there are already excellent Latex editors, I don't
  understand why it would be desirable for Lyx to incorporate such
 features.
 
  I love LyX, because I can input math from the keyboard, without click and
  search in menus and dragging around - just using familiar LaTeX syntax.
 
  The same would apply for many smaller edits (font changes, package
  insertions, ...): if the source view were edible, I could do many of
  these changes fast and per keyboard without searching in menus or the
  shortkey-list.
 
 Maybe some sort of math-like tab-activated completion could be
 implemented, for commands that LyX supports natively... There'd be
 less scope for getting it wrong in such a set-up.

 So something along the lines of:
 - activate math-like completion as in \
 - propose a list of completion possibilities given an exclusive list
 of commands that LyX understands and supports natively
 - run tex2lyx on the input when user signals they're done
 - if something didn't go to plan, spit out ERT

 But I expect this wouldn't be a trivial implementation to get
 everything right and cover all potential complications...

 Liviu


  (Of course, this is from the view point of someone familiar with LaTeX -
 but
  this is a large part of the LyX user base.)
 
  Günter
 



 --
 Do you think you know what math is?
 http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/ian-stewart-2013-08-02
 Or what it means to be intelligent?
 http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/john-duncan-2013-08-30
 Think again:
 http://www.ideasroadshow.com/library

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Richard Heck]

On 06/10/2015 04:13 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Guenter Milde mi...@users.sf.net wrote:

On 2015-06-10, Benedict Holland wrote:


Since there are already excellent Latex editors, I don't
understand why it would be desirable for Lyx to incorporate such features.

I love LyX, because I can input math from the keyboard, without click and
search in menus and dragging around - just using familiar LaTeX syntax.

The same would apply for many smaller edits (font changes, package
insertions, ...): if the source view were edible, I could do many of
these changes fast and per keyboard without searching in menus or the
shortkey-list.


Maybe some sort of math-like tab-activated completion could be
implemented, for commands that LyX supports natively... There'd be
less scope for getting it wrong in such a set-up.

So something along the lines of:
- activate math-like completion as in \
- propose a list of completion possibilities given an exclusive list
of commands that LyX understands and supports natively
- run tex2lyx on the input when user signals they're done
- if something didn't go to plan, spit out ERT

But I expect this wouldn't be a trivial implementation to get
everything right and cover all potential complications...


The idea of having an ERT-like box that supported completion, syntax 
highlighting, etc,
is one I've had before. But then we're talking about integrating 
something like a LaTeX
edtior into LyX, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense, from LyX's 
point of view,
especially given that, like most FOSS projects, we are very short of 
programming time.
And, as Benedict says, if one really wants to do that kind of thing, 
then at least a very
good alternative is an Input inset, which one can then edit with a real 
editor (Kile, in
my case). I wonder if just having the option of opening an ERT itself in 
an external
editor would help? I suppose it might be an option to run tex2lyx on 
whatever we get,
and replace the ERT inset with the result, in so far as that is 
possible. I.e., we'd have
a sort of generic ERT--LyX routine. I *think* that some parts of what 
is required here

already exist in the Advanced FR machinery.

Richard

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Richard Heck]

On 06/10/2015 04:42 AM, Madhusudan Singh wrote:

TeXmacs is a good alternative.

Hiding away preamble stuff has always been sufficiently problematic 
for me for me not to take to LyX.


Do you mean that you can't see the preamble stuff in the LyX document? 
There is an easy solution to this, if so.


Richard

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Richard Heck rgh...@lyx.org wrote:
 On 06/10/2015 04:13 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Guenter Milde mi...@users.sf.net wrote:

 On 2015-06-10, Benedict Holland wrote:

 Since there are already excellent Latex editors, I don't
 understand why it would be desirable for Lyx to incorporate such
 features.

 I love LyX, because I can input math from the keyboard, without click and
 search in menus and dragging around - just using familiar LaTeX syntax.

 The same would apply for many smaller edits (font changes, package
 insertions, ...): if the source view were edible, I could do many of
 these changes fast and per keyboard without searching in menus or the
 shortkey-list.

 Maybe some sort of math-like tab-activated completion could be
 implemented, for commands that LyX supports natively... There'd be
 less scope for getting it wrong in such a set-up.

 So something along the lines of:
 - activate math-like completion as in \
 - propose a list of completion possibilities given an exclusive list
 of commands that LyX understands and supports natively
 - run tex2lyx on the input when user signals they're done
 - if something didn't go to plan, spit out ERT

 But I expect this wouldn't be a trivial implementation to get
 everything right and cover all potential complications...


 The idea of having an ERT-like box that supported completion, syntax
 highlighting, etc,
 is one I've had before. But then we're talking about integrating something
 like a LaTeX
 edtior into LyX, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense, from LyX's point
 of view,
 especially given that, like most FOSS projects, we are very short of
 programming time.
 And, as Benedict says, if one really wants to do that kind of thing, then at
 least a very
 good alternative is an Input inset, which one can then edit with a real
 editor (Kile, in

 my case). I wonder if just having the option of opening an ERT itself in an
 external
 editor would help?

As it happens, this is the subject of:
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7404

Georg even provided a patch, and I suspect it requires not much
programming to polish up that patch for inclusion.


 I suppose it might be an option to run tex2lyx on
 whatever we get,
 and replace the ERT inset with the result, in so far as that is possible.
 I.e., we'd have
 a sort of generic ERT--LyX routine.

I think this would be a nice touch, indeed.

Regards,
Liviu


 I *think* that some parts of what is
 required here
 already exist in the Advanced FR machinery.

 Richard




-- 
Do you think you know what math is?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/ian-stewart-2013-08-02
Or what it means to be intelligent?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/john-duncan-2013-08-30
Think again:
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/library

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Guenter Milde]

On 2015-06-10, Benedict Holland wrote:

> Since there are already excellent Latex editors, I don't
> understand why it would be desirable for Lyx to incorporate such features.

I love LyX, because I can input math from the keyboard, without click and
search in menus and dragging around - just using familiar LaTeX syntax.

The same would apply for many smaller edits (font changes, package
insertions, ...): if the source view were edible, I could do many of
these changes fast and per keyboard without searching in menus or the
shortkey-list. 

(Of course, this is from the view point of someone familiar with LaTeX - but
this is a large part of the LyX user base.)

Günter

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Guenter Milde  wrote:
> On 2015-06-10, Benedict Holland wrote:
>
>> Since there are already excellent Latex editors, I don't
>> understand why it would be desirable for Lyx to incorporate such features.
>
> I love LyX, because I can input math from the keyboard, without click and
> search in menus and dragging around - just using familiar LaTeX syntax.
>
> The same would apply for many smaller edits (font changes, package
> insertions, ...): if the source view were edible, I could do many of
> these changes fast and per keyboard without searching in menus or the
> shortkey-list.
>
Maybe some sort of math-like tab-activated completion could be
implemented, for commands that LyX supports natively... There'd be
less scope for getting it wrong in such a set-up.

So something along the lines of:
- activate math-like completion as in "\"
- propose a list of completion possibilities given an exclusive list
of commands that LyX understands and supports natively
- run tex2lyx on the input when user signals they're done
- if something didn't go to plan, spit out ERT

But I expect this wouldn't be a trivial implementation to get
everything right and cover all potential complications...

Liviu


> (Of course, this is from the view point of someone familiar with LaTeX - but
> this is a large part of the LyX user base.)
>
> Günter
>



-- 
Do you think you know what math is?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/ian-stewart-2013-08-02
Or what it means to be intelligent?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/john-duncan-2013-08-30
Think again:
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/library

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Madhusudan Singh]

TeXmacs is a good alternative.

Hiding away preamble stuff has always been sufficiently problematic for me
for me not to take to LyX.

I have not much used TeXmacs but it has a lot of this and more.

For my documents, I stick to LaTeX with a live preview. Just can't beat
that kind of power.

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Liviu Andronic 
wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Guenter Milde  wrote:
> > On 2015-06-10, Benedict Holland wrote:
> >
> >> Since there are already excellent Latex editors, I don't
> >> understand why it would be desirable for Lyx to incorporate such
> features.
> >
> > I love LyX, because I can input math from the keyboard, without click and
> > search in menus and dragging around - just using familiar LaTeX syntax.
> >
> > The same would apply for many smaller edits (font changes, package
> > insertions, ...): if the source view were edible, I could do many of
> > these changes fast and per keyboard without searching in menus or the
> > shortkey-list.
> >
> Maybe some sort of math-like tab-activated completion could be
> implemented, for commands that LyX supports natively... There'd be
> less scope for getting it wrong in such a set-up.
>
> So something along the lines of:
> - activate math-like completion as in "\"
> - propose a list of completion possibilities given an exclusive list
> of commands that LyX understands and supports natively
> - run tex2lyx on the input when user signals they're done
> - if something didn't go to plan, spit out ERT
>
> But I expect this wouldn't be a trivial implementation to get
> everything right and cover all potential complications...
>
> Liviu
>
>
> > (Of course, this is from the view point of someone familiar with LaTeX -
> but
> > this is a large part of the LyX user base.)
> >
> > Günter
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Do you think you know what math is?
> http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/ian-stewart-2013-08-02
> Or what it means to be intelligent?
> http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/john-duncan-2013-08-30
> Think again:
> http://www.ideasroadshow.com/library
>

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Richard Heck]

On 06/10/2015 04:13 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Guenter Milde  wrote:

On 2015-06-10, Benedict Holland wrote:


Since there are already excellent Latex editors, I don't
understand why it would be desirable for Lyx to incorporate such features.

I love LyX, because I can input math from the keyboard, without click and
search in menus and dragging around - just using familiar LaTeX syntax.

The same would apply for many smaller edits (font changes, package
insertions, ...): if the source view were edible, I could do many of
these changes fast and per keyboard without searching in menus or the
shortkey-list.


Maybe some sort of math-like tab-activated completion could be
implemented, for commands that LyX supports natively... There'd be
less scope for getting it wrong in such a set-up.

So something along the lines of:
- activate math-like completion as in "\"
- propose a list of completion possibilities given an exclusive list
of commands that LyX understands and supports natively
- run tex2lyx on the input when user signals they're done
- if something didn't go to plan, spit out ERT

But I expect this wouldn't be a trivial implementation to get
everything right and cover all potential complications...


The idea of having an ERT-like box that supported completion, syntax 
highlighting, etc,
is one I've had before. But then we're talking about integrating 
something like a LaTeX
edtior into LyX, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense, from LyX's 
point of view,
especially given that, like most FOSS projects, we are very short of 
programming time.
And, as Benedict says, if one really wants to do that kind of thing, 
then at least a very
good alternative is an Input inset, which one can then edit with a real 
editor (Kile, in
my case). I wonder if just having the option of opening an ERT itself in 
an external
editor would help? I suppose it might be an option to run tex2lyx on 
whatever we get,
and replace the ERT inset with the result, in so far as that is 
possible. I.e., we'd have
a sort of generic ERT-->LyX routine. I *think* that some parts of what 
is required here

already exist in the Advanced F machinery.

Richard

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Richard Heck]

On 06/10/2015 04:42 AM, Madhusudan Singh wrote:

TeXmacs is a good alternative.

Hiding away preamble stuff has always been sufficiently problematic 
for me for me not to take to LyX.


Do you mean that you can't see the preamble stuff in the LyX document? 
There is an easy solution to this, if so.


Richard

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Richard Heck  wrote:
> On 06/10/2015 04:13 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Guenter Milde  wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2015-06-10, Benedict Holland wrote:
>>>
 Since there are already excellent Latex editors, I don't
 understand why it would be desirable for Lyx to incorporate such
 features.
>>>
>>> I love LyX, because I can input math from the keyboard, without click and
>>> search in menus and dragging around - just using familiar LaTeX syntax.
>>>
>>> The same would apply for many smaller edits (font changes, package
>>> insertions, ...): if the source view were edible, I could do many of
>>> these changes fast and per keyboard without searching in menus or the
>>> shortkey-list.
>>>
>> Maybe some sort of math-like tab-activated completion could be
>> implemented, for commands that LyX supports natively... There'd be
>> less scope for getting it wrong in such a set-up.
>>
>> So something along the lines of:
>> - activate math-like completion as in "\"
>> - propose a list of completion possibilities given an exclusive list
>> of commands that LyX understands and supports natively
>> - run tex2lyx on the input when user signals they're done
>> - if something didn't go to plan, spit out ERT
>>
>> But I expect this wouldn't be a trivial implementation to get
>> everything right and cover all potential complications...
>
>
> The idea of having an ERT-like box that supported completion, syntax
> highlighting, etc,
> is one I've had before. But then we're talking about integrating something
> like a LaTeX
> edtior into LyX, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense, from LyX's point
> of view,
> especially given that, like most FOSS projects, we are very short of
> programming time.
> And, as Benedict says, if one really wants to do that kind of thing, then at
> least a very
> good alternative is an Input inset, which one can then edit with a real
> editor (Kile, in

> my case). I wonder if just having the option of opening an ERT itself in an
> external
> editor would help?
>
As it happens, this is the subject of:
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7404

Georg even provided a patch, and I suspect it requires not much
programming to polish up that patch for inclusion.


> I suppose it might be an option to run tex2lyx on
> whatever we get,
> and replace the ERT inset with the result, in so far as that is possible.
> I.e., we'd have
> a sort of generic ERT-->LyX routine.
>
I think this would be a nice touch, indeed.

Regards,
Liviu


> I *think* that some parts of what is
> required here
> already exist in the Advanced F machinery.
>
> Richard
>



-- 
Do you think you know what math is?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/ian-stewart-2013-08-02
Or what it means to be intelligent?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/john-duncan-2013-08-30
Think again:
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/library

Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Ricardo Gaspar]

Hi there,

I am a new user of Lyx, but a not a beginner in LaTEX. 
I couldn’t find in the internet why Lyx doesn’t allow to edit the source LaTEX 
file. It would be an awesome feature and could make Lyx a great rival against 
the other LaTEX editors.
I like the simplicity of Lyx and the features it provides, but sometimes I 
would like to change or add code directly to the source file.

Can you please answer this question? Or at least redirect me to a site where I 
can find it?

Keep the good work!

Best regards,
Ricardo Gaspar

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Tue, Jun 09, 2015 at 10:00:25PM +0100, Ricardo Gaspar wrote:
 Hi there,
 
 I am a new user of Lyx, but a not a beginner in LaTEX. 

Hi Ricardo, and welcome! It's nice to have a fresh perspective. Please
keep providing feedback and if you happen to have the time and
interests, patches or (if you do not enjoy programming) improvements to
the documentation would be welcome. It's especially useful to receive
feedback from new users, in my opinion.

 I couldn’t find in the internet why Lyx doesn’t allow to edit the source 
 LaTEX file. It would be an awesome feature and could make Lyx a great rival 
 against the other LaTEX editors.
 I like the simplicity of Lyx and the features it provides, but sometimes I 
 would like to change or add code directly to the source file.
 
 Can you please answer this question? Or at least redirect me to a site where 
 I can find it?

This is an often requested feature. See for example:
http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/FeaturePoll2#toc10
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/5260

The basic answer, from what I understand, is simply that it is *very*
hard to parse LaTeX. LyX has its own format. It can export that format
to LaTeX very reliably, but it is extremely difficult to make that a
seamless two-way communication.

Best,

Scott

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Christopher Menzel]

Hi Ricardo,

Can you provide an example of a situation where the feature in question 
would be useful? I composed in raw LaTeX for 20 years but since 
switching pretty much full-time to LyX several years ago I have yet to 
find a situation that LyX (plus perhaps a little ERT 
http://wiki.lyx.org/FAQ/ERT)  couldn't handle with aplomb.


-chris

Ricardo Gaspar wrote:

Hi there,

I am a new user of Lyx, but a not a beginner in LaTEX.
I couldn’t find in the internet why Lyx doesn’t allow to edit the source LaTEX 
file. It would be an awesome feature and could make Lyx a great rival against 
the other LaTEX editors.
I like the simplicity of Lyx and the features it provides, but sometimes I 
would like to change or add code directly to the source file.

Can you please answer this question? Or at least redirect me to a site where I 
can find it?

Keep the good work!

Best regards,
Ricardo Gaspar

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Richard Heck]

On 06/09/2015 06:13 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:

On Tue, Jun 09, 2015 at 10:00:25PM +0100, Ricardo Gaspar wrote:

Hi there,

I am a new user of Lyx, but a not a beginner in LaTEX.

Hi Ricardo, and welcome! It's nice to have a fresh perspective. Please
keep providing feedback and if you happen to have the time and
interests, patches or (if you do not enjoy programming) improvements to
the documentation would be welcome. It's especially useful to receive
feedback from new users, in my opinion.


I couldn’t find in the internet why Lyx doesn’t allow to edit the source LaTEX 
file. It would be an awesome feature and could make Lyx a great rival against 
the other LaTEX editors.
I like the simplicity of Lyx and the features it provides, but sometimes I 
would like to change or add code directly to the source file.

Can you please answer this question? Or at least redirect me to a site where I 
can find it?

This is an often requested feature. See for example:
http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/FeaturePoll2#toc10
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/5260

The basic answer, from what I understand, is simply that it is *very*
hard to parse LaTeX. LyX has its own format. It can export that format
to LaTeX very reliably, but it is extremely difficult to make that a
seamless two-way communication.


Yes, the basic problem is that this is highly non-trivial, though not 
impossible, and it isn't
really compatible with the idea behind LyX. Contrary to how it is often 
advertised, LyX is
NOT a LaTeX frontend. LaTeX is only one of the formats we natively 
export (though by far

the most important).

The ability to edit the LaTeX would basically involve offering the user 
the LaTeX source
for some fragment of text, then running tex2lyx on whatever the user 
ended up with, then
replacing the relevant fragment of text witih the result. This is still 
harder than it sounds,
since tex2lyx outputs some text (a LyX file, basically), and what we 
really need is the data
structure that LyX would create upon reading that file. This could be 
done, though, by reading
the new text into a temporary Buffer and doing some kind of cut and 
paste behind the scenes.
But there's not really any guarantee that what LyX would export at that 
point would actually
be the same as what the user entered: That kind of 'roundtrip' is a 
goal, not a reality.


Alternatively, the LaTeX the user created could become ERT. But then 
maybe such a user

should just use LaTeX.

Richard

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Benedict Holland]

I have to plug emacs for native lyx support. That application is awesome at
parsing raw Latex. As Richard said, this is the antithesis of why anyone
would use Lyx. I have become a huge fan of seamlessly integrating my latex
documents, mostly tables, using the input command and editing the .tex file
using emacs. Since there is already excellent Latex editors, I don't
understand why it would be desirable for Lyx to incorporate such features.

~Ben

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 10:13 PM, Richard Heck rgh...@lyx.org wrote:

 On 06/09/2015 06:13 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:

 On Tue, Jun 09, 2015 at 10:00:25PM +0100, Ricardo Gaspar wrote:

 Hi there,

 I am a new user of Lyx, but a not a beginner in LaTEX.

 Hi Ricardo, and welcome! It's nice to have a fresh perspective. Please
 keep providing feedback and if you happen to have the time and
 interests, patches or (if you do not enjoy programming) improvements to
 the documentation would be welcome. It's especially useful to receive
 feedback from new users, in my opinion.

  I couldn’t find in the internet why Lyx doesn’t allow to edit the source
 LaTEX file. It would be an awesome feature and could make Lyx a great rival
 against the other LaTEX editors.
 I like the simplicity of Lyx and the features it provides, but sometimes
 I would like to change or add code directly to the source file.

 Can you please answer this question? Or at least redirect me to a site
 where I can find it?

 This is an often requested feature. See for example:
 http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/FeaturePoll2#toc10
 http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/5260

 The basic answer, from what I understand, is simply that it is *very*
 hard to parse LaTeX. LyX has its own format. It can export that format
 to LaTeX very reliably, but it is extremely difficult to make that a
 seamless two-way communication.


 Yes, the basic problem is that this is highly non-trivial, though not
 impossible, and it isn't
 really compatible with the idea behind LyX. Contrary to how it is often
 advertised, LyX is
 NOT a LaTeX frontend. LaTeX is only one of the formats we natively export
 (though by far
 the most important).

 The ability to edit the LaTeX would basically involve offering the user
 the LaTeX source
 for some fragment of text, then running tex2lyx on whatever the user ended
 up with, then
 replacing the relevant fragment of text witih the result. This is still
 harder than it sounds,
 since tex2lyx outputs some text (a LyX file, basically), and what we
 really need is the data
 structure that LyX would create upon reading that file. This could be
 done, though, by reading
 the new text into a temporary Buffer and doing some kind of cut and paste
 behind the scenes.
 But there's not really any guarantee that what LyX would export at that
 point would actually
 be the same as what the user entered: That kind of 'roundtrip' is a goal,
 not a reality.

 Alternatively, the LaTeX the user created could become ERT. But then maybe
 such a user
 should just use LaTeX.

 Richard

Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Ricardo Gaspar]

Hi there,

I am a new user of Lyx, but a not a beginner in LaTEX. 
I couldn’t find in the internet why Lyx doesn’t allow to edit the source LaTEX 
file. It would be an awesome feature and could make Lyx a great rival against 
the other LaTEX editors.
I like the simplicity of Lyx and the features it provides, but sometimes I 
would like to change or add code directly to the source file.

Can you please answer this question? Or at least redirect me to a site where I 
can find it?

Keep the good work!

Best regards,
Ricardo Gaspar

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Tue, Jun 09, 2015 at 10:00:25PM +0100, Ricardo Gaspar wrote:
 Hi there,
 
 I am a new user of Lyx, but a not a beginner in LaTEX. 

Hi Ricardo, and welcome! It's nice to have a fresh perspective. Please
keep providing feedback and if you happen to have the time and
interests, patches or (if you do not enjoy programming) improvements to
the documentation would be welcome. It's especially useful to receive
feedback from new users, in my opinion.

 I couldn’t find in the internet why Lyx doesn’t allow to edit the source 
 LaTEX file. It would be an awesome feature and could make Lyx a great rival 
 against the other LaTEX editors.
 I like the simplicity of Lyx and the features it provides, but sometimes I 
 would like to change or add code directly to the source file.
 
 Can you please answer this question? Or at least redirect me to a site where 
 I can find it?

This is an often requested feature. See for example:
http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/FeaturePoll2#toc10
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/5260

The basic answer, from what I understand, is simply that it is *very*
hard to parse LaTeX. LyX has its own format. It can export that format
to LaTeX very reliably, but it is extremely difficult to make that a
seamless two-way communication.

Best,

Scott

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Christopher Menzel]

Hi Ricardo,

Can you provide an example of a situation where the feature in question 
would be useful? I composed in raw LaTeX for 20 years but since 
switching pretty much full-time to LyX several years ago I have yet to 
find a situation that LyX (plus perhaps a little ERT 
http://wiki.lyx.org/FAQ/ERT)  couldn't handle with aplomb.


-chris

Ricardo Gaspar wrote:

Hi there,

I am a new user of Lyx, but a not a beginner in LaTEX.
I couldn’t find in the internet why Lyx doesn’t allow to edit the source LaTEX 
file. It would be an awesome feature and could make Lyx a great rival against 
the other LaTEX editors.
I like the simplicity of Lyx and the features it provides, but sometimes I 
would like to change or add code directly to the source file.

Can you please answer this question? Or at least redirect me to a site where I 
can find it?

Keep the good work!

Best regards,
Ricardo Gaspar

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Richard Heck]

On 06/09/2015 06:13 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:

On Tue, Jun 09, 2015 at 10:00:25PM +0100, Ricardo Gaspar wrote:

Hi there,

I am a new user of Lyx, but a not a beginner in LaTEX.

Hi Ricardo, and welcome! It's nice to have a fresh perspective. Please
keep providing feedback and if you happen to have the time and
interests, patches or (if you do not enjoy programming) improvements to
the documentation would be welcome. It's especially useful to receive
feedback from new users, in my opinion.


I couldn’t find in the internet why Lyx doesn’t allow to edit the source LaTEX 
file. It would be an awesome feature and could make Lyx a great rival against 
the other LaTEX editors.
I like the simplicity of Lyx and the features it provides, but sometimes I 
would like to change or add code directly to the source file.

Can you please answer this question? Or at least redirect me to a site where I 
can find it?

This is an often requested feature. See for example:
http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/FeaturePoll2#toc10
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/5260

The basic answer, from what I understand, is simply that it is *very*
hard to parse LaTeX. LyX has its own format. It can export that format
to LaTeX very reliably, but it is extremely difficult to make that a
seamless two-way communication.


Yes, the basic problem is that this is highly non-trivial, though not 
impossible, and it isn't
really compatible with the idea behind LyX. Contrary to how it is often 
advertised, LyX is
NOT a LaTeX frontend. LaTeX is only one of the formats we natively 
export (though by far

the most important).

The ability to edit the LaTeX would basically involve offering the user 
the LaTeX source
for some fragment of text, then running tex2lyx on whatever the user 
ended up with, then
replacing the relevant fragment of text witih the result. This is still 
harder than it sounds,
since tex2lyx outputs some text (a LyX file, basically), and what we 
really need is the data
structure that LyX would create upon reading that file. This could be 
done, though, by reading
the new text into a temporary Buffer and doing some kind of cut and 
paste behind the scenes.
But there's not really any guarantee that what LyX would export at that 
point would actually
be the same as what the user entered: That kind of 'roundtrip' is a 
goal, not a reality.


Alternatively, the LaTeX the user created could become ERT. But then 
maybe such a user

should just use LaTeX.

Richard

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Benedict Holland]

I have to plug emacs for native lyx support. That application is awesome at
parsing raw Latex. As Richard said, this is the antithesis of why anyone
would use Lyx. I have become a huge fan of seamlessly integrating my latex
documents, mostly tables, using the input command and editing the .tex file
using emacs. Since there is already excellent Latex editors, I don't
understand why it would be desirable for Lyx to incorporate such features.

~Ben

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 10:13 PM, Richard Heck rgh...@lyx.org wrote:

 On 06/09/2015 06:13 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:

 On Tue, Jun 09, 2015 at 10:00:25PM +0100, Ricardo Gaspar wrote:

 Hi there,

 I am a new user of Lyx, but a not a beginner in LaTEX.

 Hi Ricardo, and welcome! It's nice to have a fresh perspective. Please
 keep providing feedback and if you happen to have the time and
 interests, patches or (if you do not enjoy programming) improvements to
 the documentation would be welcome. It's especially useful to receive
 feedback from new users, in my opinion.

  I couldn’t find in the internet why Lyx doesn’t allow to edit the source
 LaTEX file. It would be an awesome feature and could make Lyx a great rival
 against the other LaTEX editors.
 I like the simplicity of Lyx and the features it provides, but sometimes
 I would like to change or add code directly to the source file.

 Can you please answer this question? Or at least redirect me to a site
 where I can find it?

 This is an often requested feature. See for example:
 http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/FeaturePoll2#toc10
 http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/5260

 The basic answer, from what I understand, is simply that it is *very*
 hard to parse LaTeX. LyX has its own format. It can export that format
 to LaTeX very reliably, but it is extremely difficult to make that a
 seamless two-way communication.


 Yes, the basic problem is that this is highly non-trivial, though not
 impossible, and it isn't
 really compatible with the idea behind LyX. Contrary to how it is often
 advertised, LyX is
 NOT a LaTeX frontend. LaTeX is only one of the formats we natively export
 (though by far
 the most important).

 The ability to edit the LaTeX would basically involve offering the user
 the LaTeX source
 for some fragment of text, then running tex2lyx on whatever the user ended
 up with, then
 replacing the relevant fragment of text witih the result. This is still
 harder than it sounds,
 since tex2lyx outputs some text (a LyX file, basically), and what we
 really need is the data
 structure that LyX would create upon reading that file. This could be
 done, though, by reading
 the new text into a temporary Buffer and doing some kind of cut and paste
 behind the scenes.
 But there's not really any guarantee that what LyX would export at that
 point would actually
 be the same as what the user entered: That kind of 'roundtrip' is a goal,
 not a reality.

 Alternatively, the LaTeX the user created could become ERT. But then maybe
 such a user
 should just use LaTeX.

 Richard

Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Ricardo Gaspar]

Hi there,

I am a new user of Lyx, but a not a beginner in LaTEX. 
I couldn’t find in the internet why Lyx doesn’t allow to edit the source LaTEX 
file. It would be an awesome feature and could make Lyx a great rival against 
the other LaTEX editors.
I like the simplicity of Lyx and the features it provides, but sometimes I 
would like to change or add code directly to the source file.

Can you please answer this question? Or at least redirect me to a site where I 
can find it?

Keep the good work!

Best regards,
Ricardo Gaspar

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Tue, Jun 09, 2015 at 10:00:25PM +0100, Ricardo Gaspar wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> I am a new user of Lyx, but a not a beginner in LaTEX. 

Hi Ricardo, and welcome! It's nice to have a fresh perspective. Please
keep providing feedback and if you happen to have the time and
interests, patches or (if you do not enjoy programming) improvements to
the documentation would be welcome. It's especially useful to receive
feedback from new users, in my opinion.

> I couldn’t find in the internet why Lyx doesn’t allow to edit the source 
> LaTEX file. It would be an awesome feature and could make Lyx a great rival 
> against the other LaTEX editors.
> I like the simplicity of Lyx and the features it provides, but sometimes I 
> would like to change or add code directly to the source file.
> 
> Can you please answer this question? Or at least redirect me to a site where 
> I can find it?

This is an often requested feature. See for example:
http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/FeaturePoll2#toc10
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/5260

The basic answer, from what I understand, is simply that it is *very*
hard to parse LaTeX. LyX has its own format. It can export that format
to LaTeX very reliably, but it is extremely difficult to make that a
seamless two-way communication.

Best,

Scott

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Christopher Menzel]

Hi Ricardo,

Can you provide an example of a situation where the feature in question 
would be useful? I composed in raw LaTeX for 20 years but since 
switching pretty much full-time to LyX several years ago I have yet to 
find a situation that LyX (plus perhaps a little ERT 
)  couldn't handle with aplomb.


-chris

Ricardo Gaspar wrote:

Hi there,

I am a new user of Lyx, but a not a beginner in LaTEX.
I couldn’t find in the internet why Lyx doesn’t allow to edit the source LaTEX 
file. It would be an awesome feature and could make Lyx a great rival against 
the other LaTEX editors.
I like the simplicity of Lyx and the features it provides, but sometimes I 
would like to change or add code directly to the source file.

Can you please answer this question? Or at least redirect me to a site where I 
can find it?

Keep the good work!

Best regards,
Ricardo Gaspar

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Richard Heck]

On 06/09/2015 06:13 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:

On Tue, Jun 09, 2015 at 10:00:25PM +0100, Ricardo Gaspar wrote:

Hi there,

I am a new user of Lyx, but a not a beginner in LaTEX.

Hi Ricardo, and welcome! It's nice to have a fresh perspective. Please
keep providing feedback and if you happen to have the time and
interests, patches or (if you do not enjoy programming) improvements to
the documentation would be welcome. It's especially useful to receive
feedback from new users, in my opinion.


I couldn’t find in the internet why Lyx doesn’t allow to edit the source LaTEX 
file. It would be an awesome feature and could make Lyx a great rival against 
the other LaTEX editors.
I like the simplicity of Lyx and the features it provides, but sometimes I 
would like to change or add code directly to the source file.

Can you please answer this question? Or at least redirect me to a site where I 
can find it?

This is an often requested feature. See for example:
http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/FeaturePoll2#toc10
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/5260

The basic answer, from what I understand, is simply that it is *very*
hard to parse LaTeX. LyX has its own format. It can export that format
to LaTeX very reliably, but it is extremely difficult to make that a
seamless two-way communication.


Yes, the basic problem is that this is highly non-trivial, though not 
impossible, and it isn't
really compatible with the idea behind LyX. Contrary to how it is often 
advertised, LyX is
NOT a LaTeX frontend. LaTeX is only one of the formats we natively 
export (though by far

the most important).

The ability to edit the LaTeX would basically involve offering the user 
the LaTeX source
for some fragment of text, then running tex2lyx on whatever the user 
ended up with, then
replacing the relevant fragment of text witih the result. This is still 
harder than it sounds,
since tex2lyx outputs some text (a LyX file, basically), and what we 
really need is the data
structure that LyX would create upon reading that file. This could be 
done, though, by reading
the new text into a temporary Buffer and doing some kind of cut and 
paste behind the scenes.
But there's not really any guarantee that what LyX would export at that 
point would actually
be the same as what the user entered: That kind of 'roundtrip' is a 
goal, not a reality.


Alternatively, the LaTeX the user created could become ERT. But then 
maybe such a user

should just use LaTeX.

Richard

Re: Suggestion to improve Lyx for LaTEX users

[Benedict Holland]

I have to plug emacs for native lyx support. That application is awesome at
parsing raw Latex. As Richard said, this is the antithesis of why anyone
would use Lyx. I have become a huge fan of seamlessly integrating my latex
documents, mostly tables, using the input command and editing the .tex file
using emacs. Since there is already excellent Latex editors, I don't
understand why it would be desirable for Lyx to incorporate such features.

~Ben

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 10:13 PM, Richard Heck  wrote:

> On 06/09/2015 06:13 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jun 09, 2015 at 10:00:25PM +0100, Ricardo Gaspar wrote:
>>
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> I am a new user of Lyx, but a not a beginner in LaTEX.
>>>
>> Hi Ricardo, and welcome! It's nice to have a fresh perspective. Please
>> keep providing feedback and if you happen to have the time and
>> interests, patches or (if you do not enjoy programming) improvements to
>> the documentation would be welcome. It's especially useful to receive
>> feedback from new users, in my opinion.
>>
>>  I couldn’t find in the internet why Lyx doesn’t allow to edit the source
>>> LaTEX file. It would be an awesome feature and could make Lyx a great rival
>>> against the other LaTEX editors.
>>> I like the simplicity of Lyx and the features it provides, but sometimes
>>> I would like to change or add code directly to the source file.
>>>
>>> Can you please answer this question? Or at least redirect me to a site
>>> where I can find it?
>>>
>> This is an often requested feature. See for example:
>> http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/FeaturePoll2#toc10
>> http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/5260
>>
>> The basic answer, from what I understand, is simply that it is *very*
>> hard to parse LaTeX. LyX has its own format. It can export that format
>> to LaTeX very reliably, but it is extremely difficult to make that a
>> seamless two-way communication.
>>
>
> Yes, the basic problem is that this is highly non-trivial, though not
> impossible, and it isn't
> really compatible with the idea behind LyX. Contrary to how it is often
> advertised, LyX is
> NOT a LaTeX frontend. LaTeX is only one of the formats we natively export
> (though by far
> the most important).
>
> The ability to edit the LaTeX would basically involve offering the user
> the LaTeX source
> for some fragment of text, then running tex2lyx on whatever the user ended
> up with, then
> replacing the relevant fragment of text witih the result. This is still
> harder than it sounds,
> since tex2lyx outputs some text (a LyX file, basically), and what we
> really need is the data
> structure that LyX would create upon reading that file. This could be
> done, though, by reading
> the new text into a temporary Buffer and doing some kind of cut and paste
> behind the scenes.
> But there's not really any guarantee that what LyX would export at that
> point would actually
> be the same as what the user entered: That kind of 'roundtrip' is a goal,
> not a reality.
>
> Alternatively, the LaTeX the user created could become ERT. But then maybe
> such a user
> should just use LaTeX.
>
> Richard
>
>

Suggestion: text style toolbar like MS office (e.g. color palette)

[Liang Wang]

Hi there,

I am a big fan of Lyx. But I often find it requires too many clicks to make
a sentence red in color. There is neither a function to set font color that
I can set through keyboard shortcut. I think a color palette that is
commonly used in office software can be useful.

A relevant suggestion: under the toolbar-font, there is already bold,
italic, etc., but their effects are not visualized on the button, which in
my opinion can be of great convenience (of course I can use keyboard
shortcut for this, but...). Similar things should be useful also for font
family, series, shape, size, etc.

I am not sure if am posting in the right mailing list (should I post it in
lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org even when I am not a developer?) so excuse me if I
should post somewhere else.

--Liang

Suggestion: text style toolbar like MS office (e.g. color palette)

[Liang Wang]

Hi there,

I am a big fan of Lyx. But I often find it requires too many clicks to make
a sentence red in color. There is neither a function to set font color that
I can set through keyboard shortcut. I think a color palette that is
commonly used in office software can be useful.

A relevant suggestion: under the toolbar-font, there is already bold,
italic, etc., but their effects are not visualized on the button, which in
my opinion can be of great convenience (of course I can use keyboard
shortcut for this, but...). Similar things should be useful also for font
family, series, shape, size, etc.

I am not sure if am posting in the right mailing list (should I post it in
lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org even when I am not a developer?) so excuse me if I
should post somewhere else.

--Liang

Suggestion: text style toolbar like MS office (e.g. color palette)

[Liang Wang]

Hi there,

I am a big fan of Lyx. But I often find it requires too many clicks to make
a sentence red in color. There is neither a function to set font color that
I can set through keyboard shortcut. I think a color palette that is
commonly used in office software can be useful.

A relevant suggestion: under the toolbar->font, there is already bold,
italic, etc., but their effects are not visualized on the button, which in
my opinion can be of great convenience (of course I can use keyboard
shortcut for this, but...). Similar things should be useful also for font
family, series, shape, size, etc.

I am not sure if am posting in the right mailing list (should I post it in
lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org even when I am not a developer?) so excuse me if I
should post somewhere else.

--Liang

Re: Colouring depth markers - Feature suggestion?

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

Op 27-6-2012 14:26, Rainer M Krug schreef:

Hi

I am working on a beamer presentation and having trouble with seeing the depth 
of the environments
clearly. Is there a way of colouring these brackets on the left hand side in 
different colours,
so that it is easier to see in which level I am?



Tools-Preferences-LookFeel-Colors-depth bar ?

Vincent

Re: Colouring depth markers - Feature suggestion?

[Rainer M Krug]

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On 28/06/12 10:59, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:
 Op 27-6-2012 14:26, Rainer M Krug schreef:
 Hi
 
 I am working on a beamer presentation and having trouble with seeing the 
 depth of the
 environments clearly. Is there a way of colouring these brackets on the 
 left hand side in
 different colours, so that it is easier to see in which level I am?
 
 
 Tools-Preferences-LookFeel-Colors-depth bar ?

True - I discovered that one as well. But there is only one colour for all 
depths.

To really see which depth it is, it would be usefull to have each depth a 
different coloured depth
marker.

Rainer

 
 Vincent


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Re: Colouring depth markers - Feature suggestion?

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

Op 28-6-2012 11:01, Rainer M Krug schreef:

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On 28/06/12 10:59, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:

Op 27-6-2012 14:26, Rainer M Krug schreef:

Hi

I am working on a beamer presentation and having trouble with seeing the depth 
of the
environments clearly. Is there a way of colouring these brackets on the left 
hand side in
different colours, so that it is easier to see in which level I am?


Tools-Preferences-LookFeel-Colors-depth bar ?

True - I discovered that one as well. But there is only one colour for all 
depths.

To really see which depth it is, it would be usefull to have each depth a 
different coloured depth
marker.


Ah.. I didn't get this subtlty from your original message.

Aren't three depth bars enough to tell you that the depth is three... ? 
Or do you have documents with large depths ?


Maybe we could color the background of the paragraphs slightly lighter 
depending on the depth.


Vincent

Re: Colouring depth markers - Feature suggestion?

[Rainer M Krug]

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 Op 28-6-2012 11:01, Rainer M Krug schreef:
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 On 28/06/12 10:59, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:
 Op 27-6-2012 14:26, Rainer M Krug schreef:
 Hi
 
 I am working on a beamer presentation and having trouble with seeing the 
 depth of the 
 environments clearly. Is there a way of colouring these brackets on the 
 left hand side
 in different colours, so that it is easier to see in which level I am?
 
 Tools-Preferences-LookFeel-Colors-depth bar ?
 True - I discovered that one as well. But there is only one colour for all 
 depths.
 
 To really see which depth it is, it would be usefull to have each depth a 
 different coloured
 depth marker.
 
 Ah.. I didn't get this subtlty from your original message.

Sorry - I seem to have the habit to send unclear questions ...

 
 Aren't three depth bars enough to tell you that the depth is three... ? Or do 
 you have
 documents with large depths ?

Not really when you are making a presentation, in which you have a block, in 
which you have two
columns, each with an overlay and each with a block...
Not an everyday scenario, but at the moment I am confronted with 6 depths ...

 
 Maybe we could color the background of the paragraphs slightly lighter 
 depending on the depth.

Would be an option, with customizable colors ramp

But for many applications, this might be to obtrusive, and the differently 
colored markers might
be sometimes better - probably both, so that one can customize it, but both 
would work.

Cheers,

Rainer

 
 Vincent
 
 


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Re: Colouring depth markers - Feature suggestion?

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

Op 27-6-2012 14:26, Rainer M Krug schreef:

Hi

I am working on a beamer presentation and having trouble with seeing the depth 
of the environments
clearly. Is there a way of colouring these brackets on the left hand side in 
different colours,
so that it is easier to see in which level I am?



Tools-Preferences-LookFeel-Colors-depth bar ?

Vincent

Re: Colouring depth markers - Feature suggestion?

[Rainer M Krug]

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On 28/06/12 10:59, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:
 Op 27-6-2012 14:26, Rainer M Krug schreef:
 Hi
 
 I am working on a beamer presentation and having trouble with seeing the 
 depth of the
 environments clearly. Is there a way of colouring these brackets on the 
 left hand side in
 different colours, so that it is easier to see in which level I am?
 
 
 Tools-Preferences-LookFeel-Colors-depth bar ?

True - I discovered that one as well. But there is only one colour for all 
depths.

To really see which depth it is, it would be usefull to have each depth a 
different coloured depth
marker.

Rainer

 
 Vincent


- -- 
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UCT), Dipl. Phys.
(Germany)

Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology
Stellenbosch University
South Africa

Tel :   +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44
Cell:   +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98
Fax :   +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44

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Re: Colouring depth markers - Feature suggestion?

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

Op 28-6-2012 11:01, Rainer M Krug schreef:

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On 28/06/12 10:59, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:

Op 27-6-2012 14:26, Rainer M Krug schreef:

Hi

I am working on a beamer presentation and having trouble with seeing the depth 
of the
environments clearly. Is there a way of colouring these brackets on the left 
hand side in
different colours, so that it is easier to see in which level I am?


Tools-Preferences-LookFeel-Colors-depth bar ?

True - I discovered that one as well. But there is only one colour for all 
depths.

To really see which depth it is, it would be usefull to have each depth a 
different coloured depth
marker.


Ah.. I didn't get this subtlty from your original message.

Aren't three depth bars enough to tell you that the depth is three... ? 
Or do you have documents with large depths ?


Maybe we could color the background of the paragraphs slightly lighter 
depending on the depth.


Vincent

Re: Colouring depth markers - Feature suggestion?

[Rainer M Krug]

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On 28/06/12 11:10, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:
 Op 28-6-2012 11:01, Rainer M Krug schreef:
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 On 28/06/12 10:59, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:
 Op 27-6-2012 14:26, Rainer M Krug schreef:
 Hi
 
 I am working on a beamer presentation and having trouble with seeing the 
 depth of the 
 environments clearly. Is there a way of colouring these brackets on the 
 left hand side
 in different colours, so that it is easier to see in which level I am?
 
 Tools-Preferences-LookFeel-Colors-depth bar ?
 True - I discovered that one as well. But there is only one colour for all 
 depths.
 
 To really see which depth it is, it would be usefull to have each depth a 
 different coloured
 depth marker.
 
 Ah.. I didn't get this subtlty from your original message.

Sorry - I seem to have the habit to send unclear questions ...

 
 Aren't three depth bars enough to tell you that the depth is three... ? Or do 
 you have
 documents with large depths ?

Not really when you are making a presentation, in which you have a block, in 
which you have two
columns, each with an overlay and each with a block...
Not an everyday scenario, but at the moment I am confronted with 6 depths ...

 
 Maybe we could color the background of the paragraphs slightly lighter 
 depending on the depth.

Would be an option, with customizable colors ramp

But for many applications, this might be to obtrusive, and the differently 
colored markers might
be sometimes better - probably both, so that one can customize it, but both 
would work.

Cheers,

Rainer

 
 Vincent
 
 


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Re: Colouring "depth markers" - Feature suggestion?

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

Op 27-6-2012 14:26, Rainer M Krug schreef:

Hi

I am working on a beamer presentation and having trouble with seeing the depth 
of the environments
clearly. Is there a way of colouring these "brackets" on the left hand side in 
different colours,
so that it is easier to see in which level I am?



Tools->Preferences->Look>Colors->"depth bar" ?

Vincent

Re: Colouring "depth markers" - Feature suggestion?

[Rainer M Krug]

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On 28/06/12 10:59, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:
> Op 27-6-2012 14:26, Rainer M Krug schreef:
>> Hi
>> 
>> I am working on a beamer presentation and having trouble with seeing the 
>> depth of the
>> environments clearly. Is there a way of colouring these "brackets" on the 
>> left hand side in
>> different colours, so that it is easier to see in which level I am?
>> 
> 
> Tools->Preferences->Look>Colors->"depth bar" ?

True - I discovered that one as well. But there is only one colour for all 
depths.

To really see which depth it is, it would be usefull to have each depth a 
different coloured depth
marker.

Rainer

> 
> Vincent


- -- 
Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, 
UCT), Dipl. Phys.
(Germany)

Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology
Stellenbosch University
South Africa

Tel :   +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44
Cell:   +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98
Fax :   +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44

Fax (D):+49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44

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Skype:  RMkrug


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Re: Colouring "depth markers" - Feature suggestion?

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

Op 28-6-2012 11:01, Rainer M Krug schreef:

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On 28/06/12 10:59, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:

Op 27-6-2012 14:26, Rainer M Krug schreef:

Hi

I am working on a beamer presentation and having trouble with seeing the depth 
of the
environments clearly. Is there a way of colouring these "brackets" on the left 
hand side in
different colours, so that it is easier to see in which level I am?


Tools->Preferences->Look>Colors->"depth bar" ?

True - I discovered that one as well. But there is only one colour for all 
depths.

To really see which depth it is, it would be usefull to have each depth a 
different coloured depth
marker.


Ah.. I didn't get this subtlty from your original message.

Aren't three depth bars enough to tell you that the depth is three... ? 
Or do you have documents with large depths ?


Maybe we could color the background of the paragraphs slightly lighter 
depending on the depth.


Vincent

Re: Colouring "depth markers" - Feature suggestion?

[Rainer M Krug]

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On 28/06/12 11:10, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:
> Op 28-6-2012 11:01, Rainer M Krug schreef:
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>> 
>> On 28/06/12 10:59, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:
>>> Op 27-6-2012 14:26, Rainer M Krug schreef:
 Hi
 
 I am working on a beamer presentation and having trouble with seeing the 
 depth of the 
 environments clearly. Is there a way of colouring these "brackets" on the 
 left hand side
 in different colours, so that it is easier to see in which level I am?
 
>>> Tools->Preferences->Look>Colors->"depth bar" ?
>> True - I discovered that one as well. But there is only one colour for all 
>> depths.
>> 
>> To really see which depth it is, it would be usefull to have each depth a 
>> different coloured
>> depth marker.
> 
> Ah.. I didn't get this subtlty from your original message.

Sorry - I seem to have the habit to send unclear questions ...

> 
> Aren't three depth bars enough to tell you that the depth is three... ? Or do 
> you have
> documents with large depths ?

Not really when you are making a presentation, in which you have a block, in 
which you have two
columns, each with an overlay and each with a block...
Not an everyday scenario, but at the moment I am confronted with 6 depths ...

> 
> Maybe we could color the background of the paragraphs slightly lighter 
> depending on the depth.

Would be an option, with customizable colors ramp

But for many applications, this might be to obtrusive, and the differently 
colored markers might
be sometimes better - probably both, so that one can customize it, but both 
would work.

Cheers,

Rainer

> 
> Vincent
> 
> 


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Colouring depth markers - Feature suggestion?

[Rainer M Krug]

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Hi

I am working on a beamer presentation and having trouble with seeing the depth 
of the environments
clearly. Is there a way of colouring these brackets on the left hand side in 
different colours,
so that it is easier to see in which level I am?


Thanks,

Rainer
- -- 
Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, 
UCT), Dipl. Phys.
(Germany)

Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology
Stellenbosch University
South Africa

Tel :   +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44
Cell:   +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98
Fax :   +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44

Fax (D):+49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44

email:  rai...@krugs.de

Skype:  RMkrug

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Colouring depth markers - Feature suggestion?

[Rainer M Krug]

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Hi

I am working on a beamer presentation and having trouble with seeing the depth 
of the environments
clearly. Is there a way of colouring these brackets on the left hand side in 
different colours,
so that it is easier to see in which level I am?


Thanks,

Rainer
- -- 
Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, 
UCT), Dipl. Phys.
(Germany)

Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology
Stellenbosch University
South Africa

Tel :   +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44
Cell:   +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98
Fax :   +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44

Fax (D):+49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44

email:  rai...@krugs.de

Skype:  RMkrug

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Colouring "depth markers" - Feature suggestion?

[Rainer M Krug]

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Hi

I am working on a beamer presentation and having trouble with seeing the depth 
of the environments
clearly. Is there a way of colouring these "brackets" on the left hand side in 
different colours,
so that it is easier to see in which level I am?


Thanks,

Rainer
- -- 
Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, 
UCT), Dipl. Phys.
(Germany)

Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology
Stellenbosch University
South Africa

Tel :   +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44
Cell:   +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98
Fax :   +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44

Fax (D):+49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44

email:  rai...@krugs.de

Skype:  RMkrug

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Re: Feature suggestion: vertical ruler for word-count

[Johannes Totz]

On 07/11/2011 05:47, Xu Wang wrote:
 Hi Johannes!
 
 If you want the word count for a selection, can't you just select it, go to
 toolsstatistics ?

Yeah that's what I do now.
Having a ruler is just less clicks. It's not a killer feature but rather
a nice-to-have gimmick.

 
 Best,
 
 Xu
 
 On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Johannes Totz jt...@imperial.ac.uk wrote:
 
 Hi!

 What do you guys think about a vertical ruler that shows the word count
 along the text?
 Ruler for centimeters doesnt make much sense for Lyx, but I quite often
 wonder about word count in various sections of my documents...



 Johannes


 

Re: Feature suggestion: vertical ruler for word-count

[Johannes Totz]

On 07/11/2011 05:47, Xu Wang wrote:
 Hi Johannes!
 
 If you want the word count for a selection, can't you just select it, go to
 toolsstatistics ?

Yeah that's what I do now.
Having a ruler is just less clicks. It's not a killer feature but rather
a nice-to-have gimmick.

 
 Best,
 
 Xu
 
 On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Johannes Totz jt...@imperial.ac.uk wrote:
 
 Hi!

 What do you guys think about a vertical ruler that shows the word count
 along the text?
 Ruler for centimeters doesnt make much sense for Lyx, but I quite often
 wonder about word count in various sections of my documents...



 Johannes


 

Re: Feature suggestion: vertical ruler for word-count

[Johannes Totz]

On 07/11/2011 05:47, Xu Wang wrote:
> Hi Johannes!
> 
> If you want the word count for a selection, can't you just select it, go to
> tools>statistics ?

Yeah that's what I do now.
Having a ruler is just less clicks. It's not a killer feature but rather
a nice-to-have gimmick.

> 
> Best,
> 
> Xu
> 
> On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Johannes Totz  wrote:
> 
>> Hi!
>>
>> What do you guys think about a vertical ruler that shows the word count
>> along the text?
>> Ruler for centimeters doesnt make much sense for Lyx, but I quite often
>> wonder about word count in various sections of my documents...
>>
>>
>>
>> Johannes
>>
>>
> 

Feature suggestion: vertical ruler for word-count

[Johannes Totz]

Hi!

What do you guys think about a vertical ruler that shows the word count
along the text?
Ruler for centimeters doesnt make much sense for Lyx, but I quite often
wonder about word count in various sections of my documents...



Johannes

Re: Feature suggestion: vertical ruler for word-count

[Xu Wang]

Hi Johannes!

If you want the word count for a selection, can't you just select it, go to
toolsstatistics ?

Best,

Xu

On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Johannes Totz jt...@imperial.ac.uk wrote:

 Hi!

 What do you guys think about a vertical ruler that shows the word count
 along the text?
 Ruler for centimeters doesnt make much sense for Lyx, but I quite often
 wonder about word count in various sections of my documents...



 Johannes

Feature suggestion: vertical ruler for word-count

[Johannes Totz]

Hi!

What do you guys think about a vertical ruler that shows the word count
along the text?
Ruler for centimeters doesnt make much sense for Lyx, but I quite often
wonder about word count in various sections of my documents...



Johannes

Re: Feature suggestion: vertical ruler for word-count

[Xu Wang]

Hi Johannes!

If you want the word count for a selection, can't you just select it, go to
toolsstatistics ?

Best,

Xu

On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Johannes Totz jt...@imperial.ac.uk wrote:

 Hi!

 What do you guys think about a vertical ruler that shows the word count
 along the text?
 Ruler for centimeters doesnt make much sense for Lyx, but I quite often
 wonder about word count in various sections of my documents...



 Johannes

Feature suggestion: vertical ruler for word-count

[Johannes Totz]

Hi!

What do you guys think about a vertical ruler that shows the word count
along the text?
Ruler for centimeters doesnt make much sense for Lyx, but I quite often
wonder about word count in various sections of my documents...



Johannes

Re: Feature suggestion: vertical ruler for word-count

[Xu Wang]

Hi Johannes!

If you want the word count for a selection, can't you just select it, go to
tools>statistics ?

Best,

Xu

On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Johannes Totz  wrote:

> Hi!
>
> What do you guys think about a vertical ruler that shows the word count
> along the text?
> Ruler for centimeters doesnt make much sense for Lyx, but I quite often
> wonder about word count in various sections of my documents...
>
>
>
> Johannes
>
>

Creating a new module : some questions and suggestion for the documentation

[Murat Yildizoglu]

I continue not to have the optional short title in the contextual menu with
my environments in the module.

Moreover, for the \sage;{} command that can be used, I am trying to explore
the insets avenue, trying to get inspired by the FixMe module.

I have inserted the following element in my module file:

InsetLayout sagecommand
LyXType   custom
 LabelString   Sage
LatexType command
LatexName sage
 Decorationclassic
Font
  Color   magenta
  Family  Typewriter
EndFont
MultiPar  false
 OptionalArgs  0
End

But I cannot see this sagecommand inset in the Insert / Custom insets menu,
even if I can see there the ones created by the FixMe module in another
empty test file I have created, in which I have added the FixMe module.
What am I doing wrong here again?

I am really lost with this module affair, I have checked the Lyx Docs, the
tutorials by Rob Oakes and Steve Litt. But, the documentation does not
really explain the articulation of different elements of definition, what
they are supposed to do in Lyx and what they do in the exported LateX file.
I am trying to advance through trial and error, but this takes a lot of
time...

It would be nice to have some examples for the must common Latex constructs
in the documentation I think:

- a simple environment (like \begin{myenvironment}  \end{myEnvironment}
)
- an environment that accepts optional arguments
(like  \begin{myenvironment}[myOption]  \end{myEnvironment} )
- a simple inline command (like \myCommand{} )
- an inline command that accepts options (like  \myCommand[myOption]{} )
- a simple list environment
- a list environment that accepts options.
- a simple float
- a float with options.

That (+ other things that I probably forget now) would cover the basic
needs for easily building new modules.
Also a more complete explanation of the role of different options in
relation with Lyx Nad Latex would be very welcome.

These are suggestions from a person who tries to write his first module. I
am somewhat knowledgeable in Latex, maybe less in Lyx, even if I have been
using it for some years.

-- Previous message --


Now, I have been able to test it, but when I right-click in the paragraph
marked as sageplot, I do not get this option in the contextual-menu. What
do I need to give as specification during the definition of this command
style to get this option from LyX?

Current definition in the module is:

Style sageplot
 LatexType Command
 LatexName sageplot
OptionalArgs  1
 FreeSpacing   1
 PassThru  1
Spellcheck   0
 TextFont
   Color   latex
  Family  Typewriter
 EndFont
End

I would have thought that OptionalArgs 1 would suffice.

Murat

2011/10/31 PhilipPirrip p...@net.hr

 On 10/30/2011 10:37 PM, Murat Yildizoglu wrote:

 In order to be able to write in the lyx document [angle=0,
 width=10cm]plot(sin(x), 0, pi), axes=True
 and select the sageplot command from the top dropbox of styles, to
 convert it to the latex command above.



 Right click on the line containing the paragraph style, choose Insert
 short title and watch what happens in View-View Source.
 Unfortunatelly, no other way of doing this for now.




-- 
Prof. Murat Yildizoglu

Université Montesquieu Bordeaux IV
GREThA (UMR CNRS 5113)
Avenue Léon Duguit
33608 Pessac cedex
France

yi...@u-bordeaux4.fr

http://yildizoglu.info

http://www.twitter.com/yildizoglu




-- 
Prof. Murat Yildizoglu

Université Montesquieu Bordeaux IV
GREThA (UMR CNRS 5113)
Avenue Léon Duguit
33608 Pessac cedex
France

yi...@u-bordeaux4.fr

http://yildizoglu.info

http://www.twitter.com/yildizoglu

Re: Creating a new module : some questions and suggestion for the documentation

[PhilipPirrip]

If someone from the documentation list is reading this, I'd kindly ask 
not to refer to the description of the options already mentioned, it 
adds to the confusion. I think it's better to repeat rather than force 
user to jump up and down.







On 10/31/2011 12:05 PM, Murat Yildizoglu wrote:

InsetLayout sagecommand



This was Style sagecommand yesterday, what happened?

Style sagecommand
LabelString   Sage
LatexType command
LatexName sage
Font
 Color   magenta
 Family  Typewriter
EndFont
OptionalArgs  1
End


Try this one, first in Local layout of Document settings. And please 
read the Customization manual more carefully.


Also, try to study some standard insets, like
stdcharstyles.inc   stdsections.inc  stdfloats.inc
stdinsets.inc stdlayouts.inc

Re: Creating a new module : some questions and suggestion for the documentation

[Murat Yildizoglu]

Hi Philip,

The inset problem has been solved (see my previous mail, sorry for filling
your mailboxes). The inline \sage command works nicely now, using
Flex:sagecommand in the declaration of the InsetLayout

Remains the problem with the option of \sageplot command, through the
contextual menu + Short name (which I do not get in the contextual menu).

Also, some updating is maybe necessary for the doc, since the actual format
number is indicated as 21 instead of 35. SO, I do not know if some other
elements have changed between the version of docs and the version of Lyx.

Murat


2011/10/31 PhilipPirrip p...@net.hr

 If someone from the documentation list is reading this, I'd kindly ask not
 to refer to the description of the options already mentioned, it adds to
 the confusion. I think it's better to repeat rather than force user to jump
 up and down.






 On 10/31/2011 12:05 PM, Murat Yildizoglu wrote:

 InsetLayout sagecommand



 This was Style sagecommand yesterday, what happened?

 Style sagecommand

 LabelString   Sage
 LatexType command
 LatexName sage
 Font
  Color   magenta
  Family  Typewriter
 EndFont
 OptionalArgs  1
 End


 Try this one, first in Local layout of Document settings. And please
 read the Customization manual more carefully.

 Also, try to study some standard insets, like
 stdcharstyles.inc   stdsections.inc  stdfloats.inc
 stdinsets.inc stdlayouts.inc









-- 
Prof. Murat Yildizoglu

Université Montesquieu Bordeaux IV
GREThA (UMR CNRS 5113)
Avenue Léon Duguit
33608 Pessac cedex
France

yi...@u-bordeaux4.fr

http://yildizoglu.info

http://www.twitter.com/yildizoglu

Creating a new module : some questions and suggestion for the documentation

[Murat Yildizoglu]

I continue not to have the optional short title in the contextual menu with
my environments in the module.

Moreover, for the \sage;{} command that can be used, I am trying to explore
the insets avenue, trying to get inspired by the FixMe module.

I have inserted the following element in my module file:

InsetLayout sagecommand
LyXType   custom
 LabelString   Sage
LatexType command
LatexName sage
 Decorationclassic
Font
  Color   magenta
  Family  Typewriter
EndFont
MultiPar  false
 OptionalArgs  0
End

But I cannot see this sagecommand inset in the Insert / Custom insets menu,
even if I can see there the ones created by the FixMe module in another
empty test file I have created, in which I have added the FixMe module.
What am I doing wrong here again?

I am really lost with this module affair, I have checked the Lyx Docs, the
tutorials by Rob Oakes and Steve Litt. But, the documentation does not
really explain the articulation of different elements of definition, what
they are supposed to do in Lyx and what they do in the exported LateX file.
I am trying to advance through trial and error, but this takes a lot of
time...

It would be nice to have some examples for the must common Latex constructs
in the documentation I think:

- a simple environment (like \begin{myenvironment}  \end{myEnvironment}
)
- an environment that accepts optional arguments
(like  \begin{myenvironment}[myOption]  \end{myEnvironment} )
- a simple inline command (like \myCommand{} )
- an inline command that accepts options (like  \myCommand[myOption]{} )
- a simple list environment
- a list environment that accepts options.
- a simple float
- a float with options.

That (+ other things that I probably forget now) would cover the basic
needs for easily building new modules.
Also a more complete explanation of the role of different options in
relation with Lyx Nad Latex would be very welcome.

These are suggestions from a person who tries to write his first module. I
am somewhat knowledgeable in Latex, maybe less in Lyx, even if I have been
using it for some years.

-- Previous message --


Now, I have been able to test it, but when I right-click in the paragraph
marked as sageplot, I do not get this option in the contextual-menu. What
do I need to give as specification during the definition of this command
style to get this option from LyX?

Current definition in the module is:

Style sageplot
 LatexType Command
 LatexName sageplot
OptionalArgs  1
 FreeSpacing   1
 PassThru  1
Spellcheck   0
 TextFont
   Color   latex
  Family  Typewriter
 EndFont
End

I would have thought that OptionalArgs 1 would suffice.

Murat

2011/10/31 PhilipPirrip p...@net.hr

 On 10/30/2011 10:37 PM, Murat Yildizoglu wrote:

 In order to be able to write in the lyx document [angle=0,
 width=10cm]plot(sin(x), 0, pi), axes=True
 and select the sageplot command from the top dropbox of styles, to
 convert it to the latex command above.



 Right click on the line containing the paragraph style, choose Insert
 short title and watch what happens in View-View Source.
 Unfortunatelly, no other way of doing this for now.




-- 
Prof. Murat Yildizoglu

Université Montesquieu Bordeaux IV
GREThA (UMR CNRS 5113)
Avenue Léon Duguit
33608 Pessac cedex
France

yi...@u-bordeaux4.fr

http://yildizoglu.info

http://www.twitter.com/yildizoglu




-- 
Prof. Murat Yildizoglu

Université Montesquieu Bordeaux IV
GREThA (UMR CNRS 5113)
Avenue Léon Duguit
33608 Pessac cedex
France

yi...@u-bordeaux4.fr

http://yildizoglu.info

http://www.twitter.com/yildizoglu

Re: Creating a new module : some questions and suggestion for the documentation

[PhilipPirrip]

If someone from the documentation list is reading this, I'd kindly ask 
not to refer to the description of the options already mentioned, it 
adds to the confusion. I think it's better to repeat rather than force 
user to jump up and down.







On 10/31/2011 12:05 PM, Murat Yildizoglu wrote:

InsetLayout sagecommand



This was Style sagecommand yesterday, what happened?

Style sagecommand
LabelString   Sage
LatexType command
LatexName sage
Font
 Color   magenta
 Family  Typewriter
EndFont
OptionalArgs  1
End


Try this one, first in Local layout of Document settings. And please 
read the Customization manual more carefully.


Also, try to study some standard insets, like
stdcharstyles.inc   stdsections.inc  stdfloats.inc
stdinsets.inc stdlayouts.inc

Re: Creating a new module : some questions and suggestion for the documentation

[Murat Yildizoglu]

Hi Philip,

The inset problem has been solved (see my previous mail, sorry for filling
your mailboxes). The inline \sage command works nicely now, using
Flex:sagecommand in the declaration of the InsetLayout

Remains the problem with the option of \sageplot command, through the
contextual menu + Short name (which I do not get in the contextual menu).

Also, some updating is maybe necessary for the doc, since the actual format
number is indicated as 21 instead of 35. SO, I do not know if some other
elements have changed between the version of docs and the version of Lyx.

Murat


2011/10/31 PhilipPirrip p...@net.hr

 If someone from the documentation list is reading this, I'd kindly ask not
 to refer to the description of the options already mentioned, it adds to
 the confusion. I think it's better to repeat rather than force user to jump
 up and down.






 On 10/31/2011 12:05 PM, Murat Yildizoglu wrote:

 InsetLayout sagecommand



 This was Style sagecommand yesterday, what happened?

 Style sagecommand

 LabelString   Sage
 LatexType command
 LatexName sage
 Font
  Color   magenta
  Family  Typewriter
 EndFont
 OptionalArgs  1
 End


 Try this one, first in Local layout of Document settings. And please
 read the Customization manual more carefully.

 Also, try to study some standard insets, like
 stdcharstyles.inc   stdsections.inc  stdfloats.inc
 stdinsets.inc stdlayouts.inc









-- 
Prof. Murat Yildizoglu

Université Montesquieu Bordeaux IV
GREThA (UMR CNRS 5113)
Avenue Léon Duguit
33608 Pessac cedex
France

yi...@u-bordeaux4.fr

http://yildizoglu.info

http://www.twitter.com/yildizoglu

Creating a new module : some questions and suggestion for the documentation

[Murat Yildizoglu]

I continue not to have the optional short title in the contextual menu with
my environments in the module.

Moreover, for the \sage;{} command that can be used, I am trying to explore
the insets avenue, trying to get inspired by the FixMe module.

I have inserted the following element in my module file:

InsetLayout sagecommand
LyXType   custom
 LabelString   Sage
LatexType command
LatexName sage
 Decorationclassic
Font
  Color   magenta
  Family  Typewriter
EndFont
MultiPar  false
 OptionalArgs  0
End

But I cannot see this sagecommand inset in the Insert / Custom insets menu,
even if I can see there the ones created by the FixMe module in another
empty test file I have created, in which I have added the FixMe module.
What am I doing wrong here again?

I am really lost with this module affair, I have checked the Lyx Docs, the
tutorials by Rob Oakes and Steve Litt. But, the documentation does not
really explain the articulation of different elements of definition, what
they are supposed to do in Lyx and what they do in the exported LateX file.
I am trying to advance through trial and error, but this takes a lot of
time...

It would be nice to have some examples for the must common Latex constructs
in the documentation I think:

- a simple environment (like \begin{myenvironment}  \end{myEnvironment}
)
- an environment that accepts optional arguments
(like  \begin{myenvironment}[myOption]  \end{myEnvironment} )
- a simple inline command (like \myCommand{} )
- an inline command that accepts options (like  \myCommand[myOption]{} )
- a simple list environment
- a list environment that accepts options.
- a simple float
- a float with options.

That (+ other things that I probably forget now) would cover the basic
needs for easily building new modules.
Also a more complete explanation of the role of different options in
relation with Lyx Nad Latex would be very welcome.

These are suggestions from a person who tries to write his first module. I
am somewhat knowledgeable in Latex, maybe less in Lyx, even if I have been
using it for some years.

-- Previous message --


Now, I have been able to test it, but when I right-click in the paragraph
marked as sageplot, I do not get this option in the contextual-menu. What
do I need to give as specification during the definition of this command
style to get this option from LyX?

Current definition in the module is:

Style sageplot
 LatexType Command
 LatexName sageplot
OptionalArgs  1
 FreeSpacing   1
 PassThru  1
Spellcheck   0
 TextFont
   Color   latex
  Family  Typewriter
 EndFont
End

I would have thought that OptionalArgs 1 would suffice.

Murat

2011/10/31 PhilipPirrip 

> On 10/30/2011 10:37 PM, Murat Yildizoglu wrote:
>
>> In order to be able to write in the lyx document [angle=0,
>> width=10cm]plot(sin(x), 0, pi), axes=True
>> and select the sageplot command from the top dropbox of styles, to
>> convert it to the latex command above.
>>
>
>
> Right click on the line containing the paragraph style, choose "Insert
> short title" and watch what happens in View->View Source.
> Unfortunatelly, no other way of doing this for now.
>
>


-- 
Prof. Murat Yildizoglu

Université Montesquieu Bordeaux IV
GREThA (UMR CNRS 5113)
Avenue Léon Duguit
33608 Pessac cedex
France

yi...@u-bordeaux4.fr

http://yildizoglu.info

http://www.twitter.com/yildizoglu




-- 
Prof. Murat Yildizoglu

Université Montesquieu Bordeaux IV
GREThA (UMR CNRS 5113)
Avenue Léon Duguit
33608 Pessac cedex
France

yi...@u-bordeaux4.fr

http://yildizoglu.info

http://www.twitter.com/yildizoglu

Re: Creating a new module : some questions and suggestion for the documentation

[PhilipPirrip]

If someone from the documentation list is reading this, I'd kindly ask 
not to refer to the description of the options already mentioned, it 
adds to the confusion. I think it's better to repeat rather than force 
user to jump up and down.







On 10/31/2011 12:05 PM, Murat Yildizoglu wrote:

InsetLayout sagecommand



This was "Style sagecommand" yesterday, what happened?

Style sagecommand
LabelString   Sage
LatexType command
LatexName sage
Font
 Color   magenta
 Family  Typewriter
EndFont
OptionalArgs  1
End


Try this one, first in "Local layout" of Document settings. And please 
read the Customization manual more carefully.


Also, try to study some standard insets, like
stdcharstyles.inc   stdsections.inc  stdfloats.inc
stdinsets.inc stdlayouts.inc

Re: Creating a new module : some questions and suggestion for the documentation

[Murat Yildizoglu]

Hi Philip,

The inset problem has been solved (see my previous mail, sorry for filling
your mailboxes). The inline \sage command works nicely now, using
Flex:sagecommand in the declaration of the InsetLayout

Remains the problem with the option of \sageplot command, through the
contextual menu + Short name (which I do not get in the contextual menu).

Also, some updating is maybe necessary for the doc, since the actual format
number is indicated as 21 instead of 35. SO, I do not know if some other
elements have changed between the version of docs and the version of Lyx.

Murat


2011/10/31 PhilipPirrip 

> If someone from the documentation list is reading this, I'd kindly ask not
> to refer to the description of the options already mentioned, it adds to
> the confusion. I think it's better to repeat rather than force user to jump
> up and down.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 10/31/2011 12:05 PM, Murat Yildizoglu wrote:
>
>> InsetLayout sagecommand
>>
>
>
> This was "Style sagecommand" yesterday, what happened?
>
> Style sagecommand
>
> LabelString   Sage
> LatexType command
> LatexName sage
> Font
>  Color   magenta
>  Family  Typewriter
> EndFont
> OptionalArgs  1
> End
>
>
> Try this one, first in "Local layout" of Document settings. And please
> read the Customization manual more carefully.
>
> Also, try to study some standard insets, like
> stdcharstyles.inc   stdsections.inc  stdfloats.inc
> stdinsets.inc stdlayouts.inc
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
Prof. Murat Yildizoglu

Université Montesquieu Bordeaux IV
GREThA (UMR CNRS 5113)
Avenue Léon Duguit
33608 Pessac cedex
France

yi...@u-bordeaux4.fr

http://yildizoglu.info

http://www.twitter.com/yildizoglu

Re: suggestion: searchbar for insert special character

[Diego Queiroz]

On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com wrote:

 I tried to insert a special character ½, and found it difficult to locate.
  I
 use kcharselect (from kde) to find it.  It has a search bar.  Just type in
 the
 term 'half', and it's the first thing shown (on my machine).

 My suggestion is add a searchbar to the insert special character.

 BTW, I can use kcharselect to locate a unicode character.  But, I don't
 think it
 would generally work to just paste in a unicode character to a LaTeX
 document,
 correct?


Usually, you can freely copy/paste some unicode chars to/from LyX (specially
symbols).
LyX automatically inserts all necessary packages and converts the char to
the correspondent LaTeX code.

To check, just try to copy/paste your ½ character to a new LyX document
and look to the source.
LyX includes the textcomp package and use the command \textonehalf{}.

Also, a good hint to search for unknown symbols in LaTeX is to use a image
classificator (like this one http://detexify.kirelabs.org/classify.html).


Best regards,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: suggestion: searchbar for insert special character

[Diego Queiroz]

On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com wrote:

 I tried to insert a special character ½, and found it difficult to locate.
  I
 use kcharselect (from kde) to find it.  It has a search bar.  Just type in
 the
 term 'half', and it's the first thing shown (on my machine).

 My suggestion is add a searchbar to the insert special character.

 BTW, I can use kcharselect to locate a unicode character.  But, I don't
 think it
 would generally work to just paste in a unicode character to a LaTeX
 document,
 correct?


Usually, you can freely copy/paste some unicode chars to/from LyX (specially
symbols).
LyX automatically inserts all necessary packages and converts the char to
the correspondent LaTeX code.

To check, just try to copy/paste your ½ character to a new LyX document
and look to the source.
LyX includes the textcomp package and use the command \textonehalf{}.

Also, a good hint to search for unknown symbols in LaTeX is to use a image
classificator (like this one http://detexify.kirelabs.org/classify.html).


Best regards,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: suggestion: searchbar for insert special character

[Diego Queiroz]

On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Neal Becker <ndbeck...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I tried to insert a special character ½, and found it difficult to locate.
>  I
> use kcharselect (from kde) to find it.  It has a search bar.  Just type in
> the
> term 'half', and it's the first thing shown (on my machine).
>
> My suggestion is add a searchbar to the insert special character.
>
> BTW, I can use kcharselect to locate a unicode character.  But, I don't
> think it
> would generally work to just paste in a unicode character to a LaTeX
> document,
> correct?
>
>
Usually, you can freely copy/paste some unicode chars to/from LyX (specially
symbols).
LyX automatically inserts all necessary packages and converts the char to
the correspondent LaTeX code.

To check, just try to copy/paste your "½" character to a new LyX document
and look to the source.
LyX includes the textcomp package and use the command \textonehalf{}.

Also, a good hint to search for unknown symbols in LaTeX is to use a image
classificator (like this one http://detexify.kirelabs.org/classify.html).


Best regards,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: need suggestion on book

[Guenter Milde]

On 2011-06-26, Steve Litt wrote:
 On Sunday 26 June 2011 15:09:41 Shantanu N Kulkarni wrote:

 On my setup, Century Schoolbook is the least pale font. I use Century 
 Schoolbook on all my books, although I'm looking for a more screen-
 readable font for my pure eBooks.

Free screen-optimized fonts are e.g. DejaVu (package Bera in standard
TeX or via (Lua|Xe)TeX) and Googles Droid fonts (also available for
standard TeX on CTAN but not (yet) supported by LyX's font GUI (i.e.
set to Default and load the package in the user preamble).

Günter

Re: need suggestion on book

[Guenter Milde]

On 2011-06-26, Steve Litt wrote:
 On Sunday 26 June 2011 15:09:41 Shantanu N Kulkarni wrote:

 On my setup, Century Schoolbook is the least pale font. I use Century 
 Schoolbook on all my books, although I'm looking for a more screen-
 readable font for my pure eBooks.

Free screen-optimized fonts are e.g. DejaVu (package Bera in standard
TeX or via (Lua|Xe)TeX) and Googles Droid fonts (also available for
standard TeX on CTAN but not (yet) supported by LyX's font GUI (i.e.
set to Default and load the package in the user preamble).

Günter

Re: need suggestion on book

[Guenter Milde]

On 2011-06-26, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sunday 26 June 2011 15:09:41 Shantanu N Kulkarni wrote:

> On my setup, Century Schoolbook is the least pale font. I use Century 
> Schoolbook on all my books, although I'm looking for a more screen-
> readable font for my pure eBooks.

Free screen-optimized fonts are e.g. DejaVu (package Bera in standard
TeX or via (Lua|Xe)TeX) and Googles Droid fonts (also available for
standard TeX on CTAN but not (yet) supported by LyX's font GUI (i.e.
set to Default and load the package in the user preamble).

Günter

Re: need suggestion on book

[Trevor Jenkins]

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 3:09 AM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.comwrote:

 I couldn't have said it better myself. And because of what Marcelo
  said, I find LyX is a MUCH faster authoring environment than anything
  in which I need to see markup.
 
 As much as I agree with this, the one drawback of LyX is that you have
 to put up with its bugs...


That is true of *every* piece of software. I'm sure that Knuth would say
there are still bugs in TeX; not many since it's at version 3.14159... but
there are some. And when it finally comes time to bump the version number to
PI there will still be bugs in it. His old colleague Edsger Dijkstra said
you can't test for the absence of bugs only their presence.


 The big advantage of using LaTeX is its
 reliability: as long as you know exactly what you do, you only need a
 robust text editor (or another, or yet another one) to do the job.


Yup, by choice I'd use emacs (because I prefer to markup my client's
document using DOcBook and LyX's support for that is not robust or general
enough).


 LyX on the other hand can throw surprises from time to time.

 This said, LyX is generally rock-solid.


See above; emacs is usually rock solid but even that throws surprises. Hey
Adobe is finding and fixing day zero bugs in Acrobat and Flash.

Regards, Trevor.

 Re: deemed!

Re: need suggestion on book

[Steve Litt]

On Saturday 25 June 2011 22:09:36 Liviu Andronic wrote:
 On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 1:52 AM, Steve Litt 
sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
  On Saturday 25 June 2011 19:17:18 Marcelo Acuña wrote:
   2. Yes, I remember this is a lyx list, but ... are there
   any advantages or
   writing this book in plain latex instead of lyx?
  
   If you work in plain latex, while you write it,  you get a text
  pestered with commands. That makes difficult the work to write
  up and to correct the text.
  
  Marcelo
  
  I couldn't have said it better myself. And because of what
  Marcelo said, I find LyX is a MUCH faster authoring environment
  than anything in which I need to see markup.
 
 As much as I agree with this, the one drawback of LyX is that you
 have to put up with its bugs. The big advantage of using LaTeX is
 its reliability: as long as you know exactly what you do, you only
 need a robust text editor (or another, or yet another one) to do
 the job. LyX on the other hand can throw surprises from time to
 time.

Hi Liviu,

Yes, LaTeX reliability is indeed a pro-LaTeX factor. Another pro-LaTeX 
factor is simplicity. Not simplicity from the typist's viewpoint -- 
LyX is simpler from that point of view. But when you start doing 
complex stuff and making your own commands and environments, LyX is 
more complex. Plus LyX native format is different from LaTeX, and you 
need to use both.

For all these reasons, when I create a Beamer presentation, I use 
LaTeX with Vim rather than LyX. I find the former less complex.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: need suggestion on book

[Shantanu N Kulkarni]

* Marcelo Acu?a mv...@yahoo.com.ar [110626 09:18]:
  2. Yes, I remember this is a lyx list, but ... are there
  any advantages or
  writing this book in plain latex instead of lyx?
 
  If you work in plain latex, while you write it,  you get a text pestered 
 with commands. That makes difficult the work to write up and to correct the 
 text.
 

Thanks all for the mails and rightly said.
I have almost decided to go ahead using tufte book class, since one of the
members of the list highly recommened it.

The book might have maximum of 100 pages, so do I write it as one document only 
or
have one main and other child documents. 
I am interested in which font do I use, because usually lyx fonts
are somewhat pale.

Shantanu
-- 

Re: need suggestion on book

[Trevor Jenkins]

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.comwrote:

  I am interested in which font do I use, because usually lyx fonts
  are somewhat pale.

 On my setup, Century Schoolbook is the least pale font. I use Century
 Schoolbook on all my books, although I'm looking for a more screen-
 readable font for my pure eBooks.


Some recent work has suggested that readable fonts are not that useful.
Try listening to this segment of the BBC's premier morning news programme,
the Today Programme.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_936/9360166.stm

Or there's a printed report on the Telegraph's web site

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/amazon/8256899/E-readers-too-easy-to-read.html

Alternatively you can read comments from a neuroscientist about the research
on the blogs reachable from here

https://policypress.wordpress.com/tag/jonah-lehrer/

Or there's a pre-print of the original paper that started this series of
news reports to be had here

http://web.princeton.edu/sites/opplab/papers/Diemand-Yauman_Oppenheimer_2010.pdf

Regards, Trevor.

 Re: deemed!

Re: need suggestion on book

[Liviu Andronic]

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Shantanu N Kulkarni
m...@lists.shantanukulkarni.org wrote:
 I am interested in which font do I use, because usually lyx fonts
 are somewhat pale.

In many cases the fonts pre-selected by default are indeed ghastly.
Personally I tend to stick to Palatino  Optima (URW Classico) or
Libertine  Biolinum (when using XeTeX). I'm not sure if they fit your
perceptions of pale.

Regards
Liviu

Re: need suggestion on book

[Steve Litt]

On Sunday 26 June 2011 17:38:12 Trevor Jenkins wrote:
 On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Steve Litt 
sl...@troubleshooters.comwrote:
   I am interested in which font do I use, because usually lyx
   fonts are somewhat pale.
  
  On my setup, Century Schoolbook is the least pale font. I use
  Century Schoolbook on all my books, although I'm looking for a
  more screen- readable font for my pure eBooks.
 
 Some recent work has suggested that readable fonts are not that
 useful. Try listening to this segment of the BBC's premier morning
 news programme, the Today Programme.
 
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_936/9360166.stm
 
 Or there's a printed report on the Telegraph's web site
 
 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/amazon/8256899/E-readers-too-
 easy-to-read.html
 
 Alternatively you can read comments from a neuroscientist about the
 research on the blogs reachable from here
 
 https://policypress.wordpress.com/tag/jonah-lehrer/
 
 Or there's a pre-print of the original paper that started this
 series of news reports to be had here
 
 http://web.princeton.edu/sites/opplab/papers/Diemand-Yauman_Oppenhe
 imer_2010.pdf


:-)

Statistics are a funny thing.

If my readers were all between 18 and 40, paid to read and remember, 
and need only read for 90 seconds at a time, I'd indeed use a less 
readable font.

But the two studies you quote have little to do with my readers. My 
readers tend to skew 30-60, so a lot of them have very real visual 
problems. I'm not going to subject them to skinny little Times Roman 
or Paladino. My latest book, which I hope to offer for sale around 
midnight tonight, is 110,000 words. I'm not going to make the visually 
challenged pull out a software magnifying glass, or horizontal scroll 
every line for 110,000 words. That's just not the way I roll. 
Disfluent fonts will simply cause many of my readers to stop in the 
middle of an otherwise good book.

One of the quoted studies showed a 14% increase in retention with 
disfluent fonts. Fine -- I'll use fluent fonts and write 30% more 
interestingly. That way people of all visual acuities will benefit.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: need suggestion on book

[Trevor Jenkins]

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 3:09 AM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.comwrote:

 I couldn't have said it better myself. And because of what Marcelo
  said, I find LyX is a MUCH faster authoring environment than anything
  in which I need to see markup.
 
 As much as I agree with this, the one drawback of LyX is that you have
 to put up with its bugs...


That is true of *every* piece of software. I'm sure that Knuth would say
there are still bugs in TeX; not many since it's at version 3.14159... but
there are some. And when it finally comes time to bump the version number to
PI there will still be bugs in it. His old colleague Edsger Dijkstra said
you can't test for the absence of bugs only their presence.


 The big advantage of using LaTeX is its
 reliability: as long as you know exactly what you do, you only need a
 robust text editor (or another, or yet another one) to do the job.


Yup, by choice I'd use emacs (because I prefer to markup my client's
document using DOcBook and LyX's support for that is not robust or general
enough).


 LyX on the other hand can throw surprises from time to time.

 This said, LyX is generally rock-solid.


See above; emacs is usually rock solid but even that throws surprises. Hey
Adobe is finding and fixing day zero bugs in Acrobat and Flash.

Regards, Trevor.

 Re: deemed!

Re: need suggestion on book

[Steve Litt]

On Saturday 25 June 2011 22:09:36 Liviu Andronic wrote:
 On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 1:52 AM, Steve Litt 
sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
  On Saturday 25 June 2011 19:17:18 Marcelo Acuña wrote:
   2. Yes, I remember this is a lyx list, but ... are there
   any advantages or
   writing this book in plain latex instead of lyx?
  
   If you work in plain latex, while you write it,  you get a text
  pestered with commands. That makes difficult the work to write
  up and to correct the text.
  
  Marcelo
  
  I couldn't have said it better myself. And because of what
  Marcelo said, I find LyX is a MUCH faster authoring environment
  than anything in which I need to see markup.
 
 As much as I agree with this, the one drawback of LyX is that you
 have to put up with its bugs. The big advantage of using LaTeX is
 its reliability: as long as you know exactly what you do, you only
 need a robust text editor (or another, or yet another one) to do
 the job. LyX on the other hand can throw surprises from time to
 time.

Hi Liviu,

Yes, LaTeX reliability is indeed a pro-LaTeX factor. Another pro-LaTeX 
factor is simplicity. Not simplicity from the typist's viewpoint -- 
LyX is simpler from that point of view. But when you start doing 
complex stuff and making your own commands and environments, LyX is 
more complex. Plus LyX native format is different from LaTeX, and you 
need to use both.

For all these reasons, when I create a Beamer presentation, I use 
LaTeX with Vim rather than LyX. I find the former less complex.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
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