Re: navigating to a longdesc link in an image

[Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis]

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Carolyn Wagner  wrote:
> Some images on the web provide an alternative text version that should 
> describe the image. In certain cases a description of more than 30 words is 
> necessary to describe the image so a longdesc attribute is added to the image 
> tag. Like this  longdesc="fulldesc.html"> The longdesc is a link to page that has a longer 
> detailed description of the image.
>
> I was wondering if there is a particular command or setting to link to the 
> longdesc from VoiceOver. Right now, VO only reads the alt text "a picture of 
> me". But doesn't allow for me to link to the fulldesc.html page.

There's no VoiceOver command for accessing "longdesc", and no Safari
or Chrome user interface for "longdesc". So to access "longdesc" you'd
need some sort of add-on or script. (I'm not aware of any that have
been written for these programs.)

I'm a member of a group working on the next version of HTML. Currently
(and controversially), the current draft specification recommends
authors do not use "longdesc". So I'm interested in use of "longdesc"
in the wild. Would you be able to provide the address of any webpages
that use a "longdesc" you'd like to access?

If you are the author of the page, would you consider other means of
providing the information such as:

* Providing a visible link to the long description after the image.
* Including a long description on the same page as the image. This
could be declaratively associated with the image using the
"aria-describedby" attribute. When JS is available, you could hide the
description by default and provide a button that shows it when
pressed.

An advantage of these approaches is that the long description is
available to everyone who might have trouble using the image using
widely implemented features. A disadvantage is that the availability
of the long description might not be advertised to screen reader users
who jump from image to image on the page. Also, obviously, these
approaches have an impact on the visual design of the page.

Also, what guidance are you following that suggests "30 words" is the
maximum suitable length for an "alt" attribute? As an author, if you
wouldn't want to add a visible long description or visible link to the
long description, would you consider providing the whole long
description in the "alt" attribute? This is what the current HTML
draft spec suggests.

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Re: navigating to a longdesc link in an image

[Sarah Alawami]

Ah I dunno and I don't  know enough html code to help you there lol! HOpe 
someone can give us a refresher cource in that as I now do everything websight 
related   in a CMS.

Take care.
On Dec 7, 2011, at 9:52 AM, Carolyn Wagner wrote:

> Some images on the web provide an alternative text version that should 
> describe the image. In certain cases a description of more than 30 words is 
> necessary to describe the image so a longdesc attribute is added to the image 
> tag. Like this  longdesc="fulldesc.html"> The longdesc is a link to page that has a longer 
> detailed description of the image.
> 
> I was wondering if there is a particular command or setting to link to the 
> longdesc from VoiceOver. Right now, VO only reads the alt text "a picture of 
> me". But doesn't allow for me to link to the fulldesc.html page. 
> 
> 
> On Dec 7, 2011, at 12:42 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> a what? That's not a term I know too well. Can you give a description of 
>> what you mean and possibly an example?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Sarah Alawami
>> 
>> If you  need an edit  done on a small project go to 
>> http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. 
>> If you need to contact me my info is below.
>> MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com
>> website: http://music.marrie.org
>> Podcast: http://tffp.marrie.org/podcast
>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125
>> 
>> On Dec 7, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Carolyn Wagner wrote:
>> 
>>> How do you access a longdesc link in an image using voiceover?
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Re: Say Hello to Piezo

[Dane Trethowan]

The price justifies the try .



On 8/12/2011 5:13 AM, Courtney Curran wrote:

Hi,
That was exactly my train of thought, I already had audiohijack, but being a 
person who's always eager to try new apps, I figured I'd give it a try.
Courtney
On 07/12/2011, at 1:11 in the Afternoon, Dane Trethowan wrote:


Neat! talk about a nice cheap recorder for the Mac, that's good value.

I'm in 2 minds as to whether or not to buy it, I already have Audio Hijack Pro 
but at that price? Well it probably wouldn't do any harm.


On 08/12/2011, at 5:03 AM, Courtney Curran wrote:


Hi,
I just bought the app for $9.99, it seems very accessible. I like it a lot, 
especially for quick recordings, I think it will be usefull.
Courtney
On 07/12/2011, at 12:12 in the Afternoon, Dane Trethowan wrote:


This software from rogueamoeba is the first app on the App store to allow 
recording on your Mac, record from anything whether that source be a stream 
playing in Safari, audio from another piece of software or from a sound device.

The interface is supposed to simple though I'm not sure just how accessible the 
software is yet as I haven't tried it.

You can find out more information about the software by going 
to


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Re: Say Hello to Piezo

[Courtney Curran]

Hi,
That was exactly my train of thought, I already had audiohijack, but being a 
person who's always eager to try new apps, I figured I'd give it a try.
Courtney
On 07/12/2011, at 1:11 in the Afternoon, Dane Trethowan wrote:

> Neat! talk about a nice cheap recorder for the Mac, that's good value.
> 
> I'm in 2 minds as to whether or not to buy it, I already have Audio Hijack 
> Pro but at that price? Well it probably wouldn't do any harm.
> 
> 
> On 08/12/2011, at 5:03 AM, Courtney Curran wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I just bought the app for $9.99, it seems very accessible. I like it a lot, 
>> especially for quick recordings, I think it will be usefull.
>> Courtney
>> On 07/12/2011, at 12:12 in the Afternoon, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> 
>>> This software from rogueamoeba is the first app on the App store to allow 
>>> recording on your Mac, record from anything whether that source be a stream 
>>> playing in Safari, audio from another piece of software or from a sound 
>>> device.
>>> 
>>> The interface is supposed to simple though I'm not sure just how accessible 
>>> the software is yet as I haven't tried it.
>>> 
>>> You can find out more information about the software by going to 
>>> 
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Re: Say Hello to Piezo

[Dane Trethowan]

Neat! talk about a nice cheap recorder for the Mac, that's good value.

I'm in 2 minds as to whether or not to buy it, I already have Audio Hijack Pro 
but at that price? Well it probably wouldn't do any harm.


On 08/12/2011, at 5:03 AM, Courtney Curran wrote:

> Hi,
> I just bought the app for $9.99, it seems very accessible. I like it a lot, 
> especially for quick recordings, I think it will be usefull.
> Courtney
> On 07/12/2011, at 12:12 in the Afternoon, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
>> This software from rogueamoeba is the first app on the App store to allow 
>> recording on your Mac, record from anything whether that source be a stream 
>> playing in Safari, audio from another piece of software or from a sound 
>> device.
>> 
>> The interface is supposed to simple though I'm not sure just how accessible 
>> the software is yet as I haven't tried it.
>> 
>> You can find out more information about the software by going to 
>> 
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Re: Say Hello to Piezo

[Courtney Curran]

Hi,
I just bought the app for $9.99, it seems very accessible. I like it a lot, 
especially for quick recordings, I think it will be usefull.
Courtney
On 07/12/2011, at 12:12 in the Afternoon, Dane Trethowan wrote:

> This software from rogueamoeba is the first app on the App store to allow 
> recording on your Mac, record from anything whether that source be a stream 
> playing in Safari, audio from another piece of software or from a sound 
> device.
> 
> The interface is supposed to simple though I'm not sure just how accessible 
> the software is yet as I haven't tried it.
> 
> You can find out more information about the software by going to 
> 
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Re: navigating to a longdesc link in an image

[Carolyn Wagner]

Some images on the web provide an alternative text version that should describe 
the image. In certain cases a description of more than 30 words is necessary to 
describe the image so a longdesc attribute is added to the image tag. Like this 
 The longdesc 
is a link to page that has a longer detailed description of the image.

I was wondering if there is a particular command or setting to link to the 
longdesc from VoiceOver. Right now, VO only reads the alt text "a picture of 
me". But doesn't allow for me to link to the fulldesc.html page. 


On Dec 7, 2011, at 12:42 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> a what? That's not a term I know too well. Can you give a description of what 
> you mean and possibly an example?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Sarah Alawami
> 
> If you  need an edit  done on a small project go to 
> http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. 
> If you need to contact me my info is below.
> MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com
> website: http://music.marrie.org
> Podcast: http://tffp.marrie.org/podcast
> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125
> 
> On Dec 7, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Carolyn Wagner wrote:
> 
>> How do you access a longdesc link in an image using voiceover?
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Re: Navigating to the end of word

[Esther]

Hi Roger,

VoiceOver's default behavior is to read the character you just navigated past, 
so if you're using your right arrow key to navigate, then the character read 
out is to the left of the cursor, and if you were using your left arrow key to 
navigate, this would be the character to the right of the cursor.  The same 
thing applies to navigating by words.  If I use Option+Right arrow to move over 
the phrase "Hi Roger" by pressing the Option key and tapping my Right arrow 
key, the first tap will give me "Hi" and the second tap will give me "Roger".  
At that point, my insertion point is just after the final "r" in "Roger".  If I 
now continue to press the Option key and tap the Left arrow key, I'll hear 
"Roger", and a second tap will produce "Hi".  My insertion point is just before 
the initial letter "H" in "Hi".  Tapping the Right arrow key gives me "H", and 
places my insertion point just after the initial letter "H".  If I were to tap 
the Left arrow key, I'd also hear "H", as my cursor
  traverses the letter in the opposite direction, moving to the left from just 
after the letter to just before the letter.

On Mac laptops, the way to perform a "forward delete" of the character to the 
right of the insertion point is to press Fn+Delete.   Also, although most of 
the same keyboard combinations for moving and editing that you use for text on 
the Mac will also work using Bluetooth keyboards paired to iOS devices, because 
the "Fn" key is not enabled for use under iOS, you'd have to forward delete 
characters by selecting them and then pressing the "Delete" key.  Specifically, 
hold down the shift key and tap your right arrow to select one or more 
characters, then press the "Delete" key.  For example, let's say I wanted to 
change the phrase: "show this is true"  to change it to "how is this true"  and 
my insertion point is before the "s" in "show".  I'd press the Shift key to 
start my selection, then tap the Right arrow key to select the "s".  Than I 
would press the delete key.  Of course, you can also continue to select words, 
lines, and characters while still holding down the Shift key,
  before pressing the delete key to delete all your selected text.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Dec 7, 2011, at 05:26, Roger Woolgrove wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I've wondered this as David but he has raised a point, how do I set VO to 
> read one side of the cursor as presently mine seems to read one then the 
> another at another time.
> Also, is there a key on the macbook to delete character to the right of the 
> cursor?
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> Roger
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "David Griffith" 
> 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 2:43 PM
> Subject: Navigating to the end of word
> 
> 
>> How is it possible to navigate to the end of a word using either Mac OS or 
>> Voiceover commands?  I know that option right and left arrow will navigate 
>> word by word but the focus always seems to be at the beginning of a word. 
>> The problem is that this function ignores spaces punctuation and line brake. 
>>  So for example I have been trying to edit a document in text edit and 
>> needed to edit the end of transformer. Pressing option right arrow will take 
>> me to the next word which is actually my name David. However it is  a 
>> period, 3 carriage returns and several spaces beyond the end of the word  
>> transformer. Pressing option left arrow will jump me back to the beginning t 
>> of transformer but where I want to be is on the final r of transformer.
>> I halve VO set to read character to the right but would not have thought 
>> that this makes a difference.
>> 
>> 
>> David Griffith
>> d.griff...@btinternet.com
>> 
>> 
>> David Griffith
>> d.griff...@btinternet.com
>> 

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Re: navigating to a longdesc link in an image

[Sarah Alawami]

a what? That's not a term I know too well. Can you give a description of what 
you mean and possibly an example?

Thanks.

Sarah Alawami

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On Dec 7, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Carolyn Wagner wrote:

> How do you access a longdesc link in an image using voiceover?
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Slightly off topic. does anyone here have an old apple powerbook G3 spare for parts?

[Lewis Alexander]

Hi all,

sorry to post this rather slightly off topic post. I've just taken on a 
powerbook g3 pismo in a very nice condition for the project, however the 
removeable DVD rom drive is dead (previous owner had damaged the main panel 
leaving it missing the cover, etc)

does anyone have an old powerbook G3 lombard / wallstreet / pismo laying around 
no longer used or for parts they would be able to spare or the drive needed 
please.

sorry it's off topic but as we're all mac folkies  here and causing trouble, I 
thought it'd be a good place to ask.

by the way, have had some headway on outspoken. a very kind gent has sent me an 
outspoken 9 disk, am still however looking for an outspoken 9.2 updater if 
anyone knows anything.

cheers gang

lew

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Free Macs For The blind is a charity project supplying older but working apple 
macs for blind and visually impaired people throughout the UK FOR FREE!

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Say Hello to Piezo

[Dane Trethowan]

This software from rogueamoeba is the first app on the App store to allow 
recording on your Mac, record from anything whether that source be a stream 
playing in Safari, audio from another piece of software or from a sound device.

The interface is supposed to simple though I'm not sure just how accessible the 
software is yet as I haven't tried it.

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RE: how to get rid of the rota

[Bubba]

Yes, only put the voices you want in the rotor and also when you go to the
rotor and choose your voice then be sure to turn it back to word or char so
to lock it in. HTH 


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Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 9:55 AM
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Subject: Re: how to get rid of the rota

Try going to settings/general/accessibility/voiceover/language rotor, and
only select the language you want.

On Dec 7, 2011, at 9:47 AM, Terry Cooper wrote:

Hi all 

I have obviously changed something somewhere, but I don't know what I did to
cause this problem.

When doing anything, anywhere, any app, and or the home screen, I keep
changing the language, e.g. voice over will suddenly start talking in a
foreign language.  I always get it back to American English by swiping up,
but without warning, it could be a few minutes later, or a few hours, I
touch the screen, and it all starts again.

How do I get rid of the rota being on the screen to stop this from keep
happening, as it is very very annoying.

Thanks.

Terry 7
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Re: Navigating to the end of word

[Sarah Alawami]

You do this via the voice over utilities. I believe it is under speech but I 
migrated my settings from snl when I did my lion install so I cannot be of much 
help lol!

Take care all.

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On Dec 7, 2011, at 7:26 AM, Roger Woolgrove wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I've wondered this as David but he has raised a point, how do I set VO to 
> read one side of the cursor as presently mine seems to read one then the 
> another at another time.
> Also, is there a key on the macbook to delete character to the right of the 
> cursor?
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> Roger
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "David Griffith" 
> 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 2:43 PM
> Subject: Navigating to the end of word
> 
> 
>> How is it possible to navigate to the end of a word using either Mac OS or 
>> Voiceover commands?  I know that option right and left arrow will navigate 
>> word by word but the focus always seems to be at the beginning of a word. 
>> The problem is that this function ignores spaces punctuation and line brake. 
>>  So for example I have been trying to edit a document in text edit and 
>> needed to edit the end of transformer. Pressing option right arrow will take 
>> me to the next word which is actually my name David. However it is  a 
>> period, 3 carriage returns and several spaces beyond the end of the word  
>> transformer. Pressing option left arrow will jump me back to the beginning t 
>> of transformer but where I want to be is on the final r of transformer.
>> I halve VO set to read character to the right but would not have thought 
>> that this makes a difference.
>> 
>> 
>> David Griffith
>> d.griff...@btinternet.com
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Re: Navigating to the end of word

[Roger Woolgrove]

Hi all,

I've wondered this as David but he has raised a point, how do I set VO to 
read one side of the cursor as presently mine seems to read one then the 
another at another time.
Also, is there a key on the macbook to delete character to the right of the 
cursor?


Many thanks

Roger


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To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 2:43 PM
Subject: Navigating to the end of word


How is it possible to navigate to the end of a word using either Mac OS or 
Voiceover commands?  I know that option right and left arrow will navigate 
word by word but the focus always seems to be at the beginning of a word. 
The problem is that this function ignores spaces punctuation and line 
brake.  So for example I have been trying to edit a document in text edit 
and needed to edit the end of transformer. Pressing option right arrow 
will take me to the next word which is actually my name David. However it 
is  a period, 3 carriage returns and several spaces beyond the end of the 
word  transformer. Pressing option left arrow will jump me back to the 
beginning t of transformer but where I want to be is on the final r of 
transformer.
I halve VO set to read character to the right but would not have thought 
that this makes a difference.



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Re: Navigating to the end of word

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I think I can answer my own question. You do indeed have to turn off the option 
for voiceover to read the word or character to the right. This is a feature 
which was introduced to make VO more familiar to Windows Screen Readers but I 
now now know  that it has serious limitation. If you turn this off VO will 
travel obediently to the end of a word rather than jumping over line breaks 
punctuation and spaces to the next word.
I will try and get used to the default way of  editing documents with the 
cursor passing over either side of characters and words.
, at 14:43, David Griffith wrote:

> How is it possible to navigate to the end of a word using either Mac OS or 
> Voiceover commands?  I know that option right and left arrow will navigate 
> word by word but the focus always seems to be at the beginning of a word.  
> The problem is that this function ignores spaces punctuation and line brake.  
> So for example I have been trying to edit a document in text edit and needed 
> to edit the end of transformer. Pressing option right arrow will take me to 
> the next word which is actually my name David. However it is  a period, 3 
> carriage returns and several spaces beyond the end of the word  transformer. 
> Pressing option left arrow will jump me back to the beginning t of 
> transformer but where I want to be is on the final r of transformer.
> I halve VO set to read character to the right but would not have thought that 
> this makes a difference.
> 
> 
> David Griffith
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Re: how to get rid of the rota

[Marcy Weinberg]

Try going to settings/general/accessibility/voiceover/language rotor, and only 
select the language you want.

On Dec 7, 2011, at 9:47 AM, Terry Cooper wrote:

Hi all 

I have obviously changed something somewhere, but I don't know what I did to
cause this problem.

When doing anything, anywhere, any app, and or the home screen, I keep
changing the language, e.g. voice over will suddenly start talking in a
foreign language.  I always get it back to American English by swiping up,
but without warning, it could be a few minutes later, or a few hours, I
touch the screen, and it all starts again.

How do I get rid of the rota being on the screen to stop this from keep
happening, as it is very very annoying.

Thanks.

Terry 7
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Re: Navigating to the end of word

[Marcy Weinberg]

Take my name, for example, Marcy Weinberg.

If you press option right arrow, and hear the word Marcy, the cursor will be 
after the y but before the space, so if you left arrow the cursor will be 
before the y, and if you press option right arrow, the cursor will be after the 
space and before the W.

Hope this helps!

On Dec 7, 2011, at 9:43 AM, David Griffith wrote:

How is it possible to navigate to the end of a word using either Mac OS or 
Voiceover commands?  I know that option right and left arrow will navigate word 
by word but the focus always seems to be at the beginning of a word.  The 
problem is that this function ignores spaces punctuation and line brake.  So 
for example I have been trying to edit a document in text edit and needed to 
edit the end of transformer. Pressing option right arrow will take me to the 
next word which is actually my name David. However it is  a period, 3 carriage 
returns and several spaces beyond the end of the word  transformer. Pressing 
option left arrow will jump me back to the beginning t of transformer but where 
I want to be is on the final r of transformer.
I halve VO set to read character to the right but would not have thought that 
this makes a difference.


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Re: how to get rid of the rota

[Lewis Alexander]

hi,

I think, by the sound of it, you've set up the language rotor by mistake, so 
that when a swipe happens, you can change language.

I'm not able to fully explain how to do it at the mo as I've got to fly out on 
an emergency callout. just got in from picking up a mac for freemacs for the 
blind and now I've got to take my tools on a site.

wow.

see you guys later.

take care and love you all. it's a bloomin marvelous day.

lew

On 7 Dec 2011, at 14:47, Terry Cooper wrote:

> Hi all 
> 
> I have obviously changed something somewhere, but I don't know what I did to
> cause this problem.
> 
> When doing anything, anywhere, any app, and or the home screen, I keep
> changing the language, e.g. voice over will suddenly start talking in a
> foreign language.  I always get it back to American English by swiping up,
> but without warning, it could be a few minutes later, or a few hours, I
> touch the screen, and it all starts again.
> 
> How do I get rid of the rota being on the screen to stop this from keep
> happening, as it is very very annoying.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Terry 7
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how to get rid of the rota

[Terry Cooper]

Hi all 
 
I have obviously changed something somewhere, but I don't know what I did to
cause this problem.
 
When doing anything, anywhere, any app, and or the home screen, I keep
changing the language, e.g. voice over will suddenly start talking in a
foreign language.  I always get it back to American English by swiping up,
but without warning, it could be a few minutes later, or a few hours, I
touch the screen, and it all starts again.
 
How do I get rid of the rota being on the screen to stop this from keep
happening, as it is very very annoying.
 
Thanks.
 
Terry 7
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RE: misión contro

[David Griffith]

You can disable mission  control keystrokes in system preferences.
I think control left arrow brings up mission control by default. On the Mac
though you tend to use the option and command key rather than the control
key. The control key is used in conjunction with function keys to access
parts of the screen 

You do not use the control key for text reading or navigation. So command up
arrow will generally take you to the top of a document. Command right and
left arrow will take you to the beginning and end of a line. In finder
option shift down arrow will select files to the bottom of a column. .To
navigate one word at a time use option and either the left or right arrow
and so on. The control key is rarely used in the same way as in Windows. 
If you are trying to read a paragraph at a  time then press VO P to read
paragraph and then VO page down to read  subsequent paragraphs. 


Regards

David Griffith


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Subject: misión contro 

Hi there. I am finding hat as I use curser keys to read things that the
mission control keeps coming up. DOes anyone have ideas how to stop this?
Thanks.
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RE: Navigant accessibility -> was bad-Elf.

[Bubba]

If you don't have the new version installed how can you say anything about
the new version one way other on accessibility or anything else! First
install the new version then talk about it.  I understood the poster very
well below but I have the new version installed. Where you don't and the
poster was posting for those that have it the new version not people that
don't have it or Navigant at all. Also it does when raining sometimes the
sun will shine so better take that raincoat with you all the time! But I
understand if you have never seen in your life and have to depend on what
someone said that you would think if it is raining the sun is not shining .
But take it from someone that has been a seeing person most of his 53 years
on this earth that the sun does shine sometimes in the rain and sometimes
the moon does not shine at night and just because something is wet does not
mean it is water  and just because something is cold does not mean it is
ice! I still very lucky still have a little vision in my right eye enough to
see if the sun is shining in the rain and knowing I have an ice cube in my
hand without asking someone this is cold and wet is it ice! But this is OT
and if you want to take this up off list I will be more than glad to tell
you about what it was like and is like to see some! This is my JMT and JMO
and it is not from hearsay! 
JMT !


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Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 11:50 PM
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Navigon accessibility -> was bad-Elf.

  Well, thanks much for the insight into the source of your information if
nothing else.  Generally, if I'm walking in the rain and others tell me the
sun is shining, I will go with what I can share from personal experience,
and accordingly suggest a rain coat.  Now I know that when you say JMT, you
are in reality sharing what you read on other lists from people who may or
may not have conducted their own investigation.

  For the benefit of those who may have recently joined, or just became
interested in Navigon, I will repost  my initial findings after installing
version 2, since I for one would not have understood the instructions below
unless I already knew what the person was attempting to convey.

  On Nov 18, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote:

  Greetings y'all,

  This afternoon I took a trip via Para transit.  I pulled the 
  destination up in favorites, set the route type to "car" and started 
  navigation.

  There were a couple other pick-ups/drop-offs along the way, resulting in 
  the need for a lot of rerouting.  Throughout the nearly 50 minute trip, 
  Navigon continuously gave directions even though I was concurrently 
  streaming Audio, reading eMail and playing with Ariadne GPS just for good 
  measure.  Navigon was rarely ever in the foreground.

  While in the foreground, however, I discovered that double tapping the 
  speed indicator, located in the top center of the main Navigon routing 
  Window just below the status line consistently presented a dialog where I 
  have the option of quitting the route, adding an interim destination, and 
  several other choices.

  It was only a matter of time, but while Navigon 2.0 includes current 
  maps, it now requires a $15 in-app purchase in order to receive quarterly 
  updates (the duration was unspecified, but I would presume it's yearly?).

  Best regards.
  Geoff

  - Original Message - 
  From: "Sarah Alawami" 
  To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
  Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 5:02 PM
  Subject: Re: My results using Navigon NorthAmerica v2 on a 4S.


  > Hmm interesting. I still don't like it. I have a live journal finding at

  > http://marrie12.livejournal.com and voice over still slows to a crawl 
  > after about 4 or 5 minutes of use. This to me is not acceptable. I also 
  > hacve an audio boo posting at http://audioboo.fm/marrie1 showing this as

  > well. I wish they would  fix this.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Geoff Waaler 
  To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility 
  Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 9:36 PM
  Subject: Re: My results using Navigon NorthAmerica v2 on a 4S.


  Hi Sarah and list,

  Your LiveJournal post was very well done and may serve as an excellent 
  resource for anyone who is having trouble getting started.

  I listened to your Audio demo several times, and followed along, even to
the 
  point of adding my nearest Subway to my favorites.  First of all, there is
a 
  huge disparity in our load times.  I counted about 13 seconds until
Navigon 
  loaded for you.  On mine I hear two double beeps instead of one.  The
first 
  occurs after about four seconds and the second is emitted two seconds
later 
  when Navigon is completely launched.  I would therefore conclude that my 
  load time is about 44% of what you're seeing.  Perhaps this accounts for
my 
  lac

Re: the I-phone 4 s

[Lewis Alexander]

Hey bubba, that sounds like a decent plan to me. I still have the 3GS and to be 
honest, for what I use it for, it does a great job. I don't use it for the 
internet etc as I'm not a fan of using internet on small touch screen 
interfaces with big fingers like mine. 

other than that, the 4S sounds like a worthwhile investment justifying the 
price though seems a bit of a thing. £500 pay and go and we're waiting for o2 
to release as pay and go. I don't like contracts as it's just something that 
I've had a very bad experience with some years back.

As always, it's an amazing product and I love the feel of it. 

I do have to admit one thing though.

I wish the iphone was a bit larger and thicker.

Excuse the rant but here goes. woof woof woof!

These days, it's all about making a product really thin and light, but to 
someone like me, I prefer something more rugged and thicker, weight's not an 
issue but a larger device would suit better (not iPad size but say another 1" 
either dimension would give some extra surface to work on and just a bit more 
room. just a thought.

I love the 3GS to bits but as I say, I don't use internet on it. I prefer my 
laptop to that anyday.

just wish apple would give us the freedom of tethering  for the iphone to mac. 
then guys like me in the IT sector can still have a modem for on road use or 
emergency work, etc.

nice review bubba and keep it up lol

lew (off to bangor for a bit to pick up a laptop of great interest. woopee!)


On 7 Dec 2011, at 08:50, Bubba wrote:

> Hi, well there is not a iphone4g but I assume you mean iphone4 and yes the
> iphone4s has a much better  camera. It has a 8 mega pix camera and the
> iphone4 has a 5 mega pix one. Also the iphone4s has a much bigger lens and
> other hardware with in the camera that makes it a much better camera also
> don't forget the processer is much better and that is a bigger issue then
> the camera. It has the same amount of ram but I think faster ram and you can
> also if you wish to do so get more storage up to 64 gb and this is a much
> bigger issue for some than the camera! Also you have the new voice command
> and to most this is the biggest reason to upgrade ! So for the upgrade issue
> there are plenty of reason to upgrade if your contract is up and especially
> if you still have the iphone3gs! HTH and JST !
> 
> 
> Bubba
> bubbatheg...@gmail.com
> 
> 

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RE: the I-phone 4 s

[Bubba]

Hi, well there is not a iphone4g but I assume you mean iphone4 and yes the
iphone4s has a much better  camera. It has a 8 mega pix camera and the
iphone4 has a 5 mega pix one. Also the iphone4s has a much bigger lens and
other hardware with in the camera that makes it a much better camera also
don't forget the processer is much better and that is a bigger issue then
the camera. It has the same amount of ram but I think faster ram and you can
also if you wish to do so get more storage up to 64 gb and this is a much
bigger issue for some than the camera! Also you have the new voice command
and to most this is the biggest reason to upgrade ! So for the upgrade issue
there are plenty of reason to upgrade if your contract is up and especially
if you still have the iphone3gs! HTH and JST !


Bubba
bubbatheg...@gmail.com


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of G.E.
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 9:54 PM
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: the i-phone 4 s

Also, I want to make sure, does the iPhone 4S only have a 5 mega pixel
camera, like my 4G?
If so, I will not upgrade until the iPhone 5 comes out next spring.
Glenn
- Original Message -
From: "Terry Clasper" 
To: "'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility'" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 7:55 AM
Subject: RE: the i-phone 4 s


HI Michael yes indeed it does!

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of michael weaver
Sent: 06 December 2011 14:01
To: mac-access@mac-access.net
Subject: the i-phone 4 s

does the i-phone 4 s have the same hardware design as the i-phone 4, meaning
the power button at the top right hand corner, the volume and mute buttons
on the left edge when the earpiece is facing up at the top?
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