Re: [Mac-access]: voiceover verbosity in yosemity

[Sarah k Alawami]

On the web it's too chatty as it's reading tags that the aria frame work put 
there. I personally don't' mind it as if done right a link can tell you more 
then the text around it.

Take care.
> On Nov 26, 2014, at 2:52 AM, william lomas  wrote:
> 
> HI all is it i just me or is voiceover too verbose in yosemity?
> on the web it is far too chatty 
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[Mac-access]: voiceover verbosity in yosemity

[william lomas]

HI all is it i just me or is voiceover too verbose in yosemity?
on the web it is far too chatty 

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Re: Verbosity in E-mail

[Eleanor Burke]

How do you do that?
On 27 Jul 2014, at 20:16, Kliphton Senior  wrote:

> Not only that, you can customize the amount of detils voice over gives you
> about a message too.
> 
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> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of JAKE JOEHL
> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 12:12 PM
> To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: Verbosity in E-mail
> 
> Hi everyone. Sorry this is a bit late, but I've been going through my email
> and deleting unwanted messages to try and find the root cause of a rather
> odd problem. But here is a tip I found yesterday on AppleVis, which can help
> with email verbosity. Apologies in advance if this is a duplicate post. But
> you can actually control how much of the message is read when just arrowing
> to it or going through email for the first time or whatever. To do this,
> bring up the View menu by going to mail Preferences with Command-Comma, and
> then tab to the View menu. I had to turn Quicknav on in order to find the
> exact setting, but it is called List Preview. You will find a pop-up menu
> which lets you control the number of lines read after announcing the
> message. Hope this helps someone.
> Jake
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> On Jul 25, 2014, at 3:45 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Eleanor,
> 
> Press VO-V then navigate right until you hear Text Attributes. use the up or
> down arrow to find DO Nothing, then press Return.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 25 Jul 2014, at 20:17, Eleanor Burke 
> wrote:
> 
>> It hasn't made any difference when I change to minimum, it is still
> reading out everything from type face to colour etc etc.
>> 
>> Eleanor
>> On 25 Jul 2014, at 18:56, Zachary Kline  wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes, you can change this behavior in the text tab, but you can also use
> vo-v to do it quicker.
>>> Best,
>>> Zack.
>>> On Jul 25, 2014, at 10:54 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> It's the text atributes. I think it's in the text tab of the verbosity
> pane.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 25, 2014, at 12:45, Eleanor Martha Burke
>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am reading an e-mail with a link, when I come to the link vo says a
> shade of royal blue on and it then reads the link.  I have tried to alter
> the verbosity from high, through medium and low but even on low vo still
> says this about a shade of royal blue, it also seems to be reading out font
> type face and colour.  Any ideas please.  This was why I was looking for
> Skype help so someone might hear what is going on.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Eleanor 
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RE: Verbosity in E-mail

[Kliphton Senior]

Not only that, you can customize the amount of detils voice over gives you
about a message too.

Are you a Christian?  Looking for a convenient bible study?  Do you have
Skype?  Well I host a fun, easy to follow bible study on skype.  If you'd
like to join us, just contact me on Twitter @MinisterKliph or email at
m.kliph...@icloud.com  Look forward to having you!
Stay Blessed!
Minister Miller


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of JAKE JOEHL
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 12:12 PM
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Verbosity in E-mail

Hi everyone. Sorry this is a bit late, but I've been going through my email
and deleting unwanted messages to try and find the root cause of a rather
odd problem. But here is a tip I found yesterday on AppleVis, which can help
with email verbosity. Apologies in advance if this is a duplicate post. But
you can actually control how much of the message is read when just arrowing
to it or going through email for the first time or whatever. To do this,
bring up the View menu by going to mail Preferences with Command-Comma, and
then tab to the View menu. I had to turn Quicknav on in order to find the
exact setting, but it is called List Preview. You will find a pop-up menu
which lets you control the number of lines read after announcing the
message. Hope this helps someone.
Jake



--Please visit me at http://jazzyjj.dreamwidth.org .

On Jul 25, 2014, at 3:45 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

Hello Eleanor,

Press VO-V then navigate right until you hear Text Attributes. use the up or
down arrow to find DO Nothing, then press Return.

Cheers,

Anne


On 25 Jul 2014, at 20:17, Eleanor Burke 
wrote:

> It hasn't made any difference when I change to minimum, it is still
reading out everything from type face to colour etc etc.
> 
> Eleanor
> On 25 Jul 2014, at 18:56, Zachary Kline  wrote:
> 
>> Yes, you can change this behavior in the text tab, but you can also use
vo-v to do it quicker.
>> Best,
>> Zack.
>> On Jul 25, 2014, at 10:54 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>>> It's the text atributes. I think it's in the text tab of the verbosity
pane.
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 25, 2014, at 12:45, Eleanor Martha Burke
 wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I am reading an e-mail with a link, when I come to the link vo says a
shade of royal blue on and it then reads the link.  I have tried to alter
the verbosity from high, through medium and low but even on low vo still
says this about a shade of royal blue, it also seems to be reading out font
type face and colour.  Any ideas please.  This was why I was looking for
Skype help so someone might hear what is going on.
>>>> 
>>>> Eleanor 
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>>>> 
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mac-access@mac-access.net
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forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive:
>>>> <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html>
>>>> or at the public Mail Archive:
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>>>> 
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that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and
worm-free.  However, this should in no way replace your own security
strategy.  We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something
unpredictable happen.
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worm-f

Re: Verbosity in E-mail

[JAKE JOEHL]

Hi everyone. Sorry this is a bit late, but I’ve been going through my email and 
deleting unwanted messages to try and find the root cause of a rather odd 
problem. But here is a tip I found yesterday on AppleVis, which can help with 
email verbosity. Apologies in advance if this is a duplicate post. But you can 
actually control how much of the message is read when just arrowing to it or 
going through email for the first time or whatever. To do this, bring up the 
View menu by going to mail Preferences with Command-Comma, and then tab to the 
View menu. I had to turn Quicknav on in order to find the exact setting, but it 
is called List Preview. You will find a pop-up menu which lets you control the 
number of lines read after announcing the message. Hope this helps someone.
Jake



—-Please visit me at http://jazzyjj.dreamwidth.org .

On Jul 25, 2014, at 3:45 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

Hello Eleanor,

Press VO-V then navigate right until you hear Text Attributes. use the up or 
down arrow to find DO Nothing, then press Return.

Cheers,

Anne


On 25 Jul 2014, at 20:17, Eleanor Burke  wrote:

> It hasn’t made any difference when I change to minimum, it is still reading 
> out everything from type face to colour etc etc.
> 
> Eleanor
> On 25 Jul 2014, at 18:56, Zachary Kline  wrote:
> 
>> Yes, you can change this behavior in the text tab, but you can also use vo-v 
>> to do it quicker.
>> Best,
>> Zack.
>> On Jul 25, 2014, at 10:54 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>>> It's the text atributes. I think it's in the text tab of the verbosity pane.
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 25, 2014, at 12:45, Eleanor Martha Burke 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I am reading an e-mail with a link, when I come to the link vo says a 
>>>> shade of royal blue on and it then reads the link.  I have tried to alter 
>>>> the verbosity from high, through medium and low but even on low vo still 
>>>> says this about a shade of royal blue, it also seems to be reading out 
>>>> font type face and colour.  Any ideas please.  This was why I was looking 
>>>> for Skype help so someone might hear what is going on.
>>>> 
>>>> Eleanor 
>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --->
>>>> 
>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to 
>>>> mac-access@mac-access.net
>>>> 
>>>> You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum 
>>>> at either the list's own dedicated web archive:
>>>> <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html>
>>>> or at the public Mail Archive:
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>>>> worm-free.  However, this should in no way replace your own security 
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>>>> unpredictable happen.
>>>> 
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Re: Verbosity in E-mail

[Eleanor Martha Burke]

Brilliant thanks Anne, I have now sortted that.  I think when accidentally 
discovering that I c could alter verbosity on the fly I accidentally changed 
it and stupidly did not know what attributes related to.


Eleanor
- Original Message - 
From: "Anne Robertson" 

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: Verbosity in E-mail


Hello Eleanor,

Press VO-V then navigate right until you hear Text Attributes. use the up or 
down arrow to find DO Nothing, then press Return.


Cheers,

Anne


On 25 Jul 2014, at 20:17, Eleanor Burke  
wrote:


It hasn’t made any difference when I change to minimum, it is still 
reading out everything from type face to colour etc etc.


Eleanor
On 25 Jul 2014, at 18:56, Zachary Kline  wrote:

Yes, you can change this behavior in the text tab, but you can also use 
vo-v to do it quicker.

Best,
Zack.
On Jul 25, 2014, at 10:54 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:

It's the text atributes. I think it's in the text tab of the verbosity 
pane.


On Jul 25, 2014, at 12:45, Eleanor Martha Burke 
 wrote:


I am reading an e-mail with a link, when I come to the link vo says a 
shade of royal blue on and it then reads the link.  I have tried to 
alter the verbosity from high, through medium and low but even on low 
vo still says this about a shade of royal blue, it also seems to be 
reading out font type face and colour.  Any ideas please.  This was why 
I was looking for Skype help so someone might hear what is going on.


Eleanor
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Re: Verbosity in E-mail

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Eleanor,

Press VO-V then navigate right until you hear Text Attributes. use the up or 
down arrow to find DO Nothing, then press Return.

Cheers,

Anne


On 25 Jul 2014, at 20:17, Eleanor Burke  wrote:

> It hasn’t made any difference when I change to minimum, it is still reading 
> out everything from type face to colour etc etc.
> 
> Eleanor
> On 25 Jul 2014, at 18:56, Zachary Kline  wrote:
> 
>> Yes, you can change this behavior in the text tab, but you can also use vo-v 
>> to do it quicker.
>> Best,
>> Zack.
>> On Jul 25, 2014, at 10:54 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>>> It's the text atributes. I think it's in the text tab of the verbosity pane.
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 25, 2014, at 12:45, Eleanor Martha Burke 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I am reading an e-mail with a link, when I come to the link vo says a 
>>>> shade of royal blue on and it then reads the link.  I have tried to alter 
>>>> the verbosity from high, through medium and low but even on low vo still 
>>>> says this about a shade of royal blue, it also seems to be reading out 
>>>> font type face and colour.  Any ideas please.  This was why I was looking 
>>>> for Skype help so someone might hear what is going on.
>>>> 
>>>> Eleanor 
>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --->
>>>> 
>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to 
>>>> mac-access@mac-access.net
>>>> 
>>>> You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum 
>>>> at either the list's own dedicated web archive:
>>>> <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html>
>>>> or at the public Mail Archive:
>>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/>.
>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from:
>>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml>
>>>> 
>>>> As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure 
>>>> that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and 
>>>> worm-free.  However, this should in no way replace your own security 
>>>> strategy.  We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something 
>>>> unpredictable happen.
>>>> 
>>>> Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by 
>>>> visiting the list website at:
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>>>> 
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>>> 
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>> 
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Re: Verbosity in E-mail

[Eleanor Burke]

It hasn’t made any difference when I change to minimum, it is still reading out 
everything from type face to colour etc etc.

Eleanor
On 25 Jul 2014, at 18:56, Zachary Kline  wrote:

> Yes, you can change this behavior in the text tab, but you can also use vo-v 
> to do it quicker.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Jul 25, 2014, at 10:54 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
>> It's the text atributes. I think it's in the text tab of the verbosity pane.
>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2014, at 12:45, Eleanor Martha Burke 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am reading an e-mail with a link, when I come to the link vo says a shade 
>>> of royal blue on and it then reads the link.  I have tried to alter the 
>>> verbosity from high, through medium and low but even on low vo still says 
>>> this about a shade of royal blue, it also seems to be reading out font type 
>>> face and colour.  Any ideas please.  This was why I was looking for Skype 
>>> help so someone might hear what is going on.
>>> 
>>> Eleanor 
>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --->
>>> 
>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to 
>>> mac-access@mac-access.net
>>> 
>>> You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum 
>>> at either the list's own dedicated web archive:
>>> <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html>
>>> or at the public Mail Archive:
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>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from:
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>>> 
>>> As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure 
>>> that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and 
>>> worm-free.  However, this should in no way replace your own security 
>>> strategy.  We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something 
>>> unpredictable happen.
>>> 
>>> Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by 
>>> visiting the list website at:
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>>> 
>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --->
>> 
>> To reply to this post, please address your message to 
>> mac-access@mac-access.net
>> 
>> You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at 
>> either the list's own dedicated web archive:
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Re: Verbosity in E-mail

[Zachary Kline]

Yes, you can change this behavior in the text tab, but you can also use vo-v to 
do it quicker.
Best,
Zack.
On Jul 25, 2014, at 10:54 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:

> It's the text atributes. I think it's in the text tab of the verbosity pane.
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2014, at 12:45, Eleanor Martha Burke 
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>> verbosity from high, through medium and low but even on low vo still says 
>> this about a shade of royal blue, it also seems to be reading out font type 
>> face and colour.  Any ideas please.  This was why I was looking for Skype 
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Re: Verbosity in E-mail

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It's the text atributes. I think it's in the text tab of the verbosity pane.

> On Jul 25, 2014, at 12:45, Eleanor Martha Burke 
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> I am reading an e-mail with a link, when I come to the link vo says a shade 
> of royal blue on and it then reads the link.  I have tried to alter the 
> verbosity from high, through medium and low but even on low vo still says 
> this about a shade of royal blue, it also seems to be reading out font type 
> face and colour.  Any ideas please.  This was why I was looking for Skype 
> help so someone might hear what is going on.
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Verbosity in E-mail

[Eleanor Martha Burke]

I am reading an e-mail with a link, when I come to the link vo says a shade 
of royal blue on and it then reads the link.  I have tried to alter the 
verbosity from high, through medium and low but even on low vo still says 
this about a shade of royal blue, it also seems to be reading out font type 
face and colour.  Any ideas please.  This was why I was looking for Skype 
help so someone might hear what is going on.


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Re: mac verbosity auestion in mail

[Sarah k Alawami]

It’s worth a try. Maybe try it on 1 or 2 mail boxes and see if that works. If 
it does let us know. If it does not it’s back to square 1. 

Good luck.

On Oct 10, 2013, at 5:32 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
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> Would it be possible to interact with that mailbox, then hit vo+/ on it, then 
> relabel each mailbox individually, deleting the word Mailbox off the end of 
> the label?  I know it's a rather convoluted way to do it, and I don't even 
> guarantee the reliability of it working, but, it's worth a shot.
> 
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> - Original Message - From: "Sarah k Alawami" 
> To: "mac access list iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:55 PM
> Subject: Re: mac verbosity auestion in mail
> 
> 
> No not to my knowledge. I’ve looked. You might want to set up an activity and 
> custom set it, but don’t know what you could set up to turn it off.
> 
> Take care.
> On Oct 10, 2013, at 4:22 PM, don bishop  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have filters and folders in mail set up the way I want.  However when I 
>> scroll down the list of mail foldrs, vo says "mailbox" after each one.  I 
>> know they're mailboxex and get tired of hearing that all the time.   
>> Is there a setting in vo berbosity to turn that off?  If so, what else will 
>> it turn off?
>> 
>> Many thanks,
>> 
>> Don
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Re: mac verbosity auestion in mail

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Would it be possible to interact with that mailbox, then hit vo+/ on it, 
then relabel each mailbox individually, deleting the word Mailbox off the 
end of the label?  I know it's a rather convoluted way to do it, and I don't 
even guarantee the reliability of it working, but, it's worth a shot.


Chris.


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To: "mac access list iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: mac verbosity auestion in mail


No not to my knowledge. I’ve looked. You might want to set up an activity 
and custom set it, but don’t know what you could set up to turn it off.


Take care.
On Oct 10, 2013, at 4:22 PM, don bishop  wrote:


Hi,

I have filters and folders in mail set up the way I want.  However when I 
scroll down the list of mail foldrs, vo says "mailbox" after each one.  I 
know they're mailboxex and get tired of hearing that all the time. 
  Is there a setting in vo berbosity to turn that off?  If so, what 
else will it turn off?


Many thanks,

Don


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Re: mac verbosity auestion in mail

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No not to my knowledge. I’ve looked. You might want to set up an activity and 
custom set it, but don’t know what you could set up to turn it off.

Take care.
On Oct 10, 2013, at 4:22 PM, don bishop  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I have filters and folders in mail set up the way I want.  However when I 
> scroll down the list of mail foldrs, vo says "mailbox" after each one.  I 
> know they're mailboxex and get tired of hearing that all the time.
> Is there a setting in vo berbosity to turn that off?  If so, what else will 
> it turn off?
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Don
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mac verbosity auestion in mail

[don bishop]

Hi,

I have filters and folders in mail set up the way I want.  However when I 
scroll down the list of mail foldrs, vo says "mailbox" after each one.  I know 
they're mailboxex and get tired of hearing that all the time.Is 
there a setting in vo berbosity to turn that off?  If so, what else will it 
turn off?

Many thanks,

Don


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Re: Mail verbosity, improving productivity

[Sarah k Alawami]

No you can get threaded view in the classic view which you enable under view. 
option under mail prefs. I have my headers set to none as well that way I don't 
have to hear the subject every time I'm left arrowing through it. from the 
message body.

Take care.
On Jun 15, 2013, at 12:35 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

> Am I correct in assuming that the only way to get threaded mail is with the 
> new mail view? I'm still on snow leopard but will probably be getting a 
> notebook or a newer desktop in the fairly near future. I love the way my mail 
> reads now, where I can just hear  the subject line and vo plus j to the 
> preview pane and back again to the message list. Very efficient, except for 
> the lack of ability to delete a whole thread at once. With the new mail view, 
> I wonder if I'd be gaining that much with threading if it means a lot more 
> verbosity and vo interaction with messages in a thread.
> 
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Re: Mail verbosity, improving productivity

[Esther]

Hi Mary,

Anne's correct that you have the option of using "classic view" for mail to 
organize your mail reading the way it works in Snow Leopard.  One thing you 
might miss is the ability to just hold down the Option + Up or Down Arrow keys 
for just a little while to move to the top or bottom of the message list.  That 
went away in Lion. You have to go back to using the standard VO+Home or VO+End 
shortcuts for navigating to the top or bottom of tables.

Cheers,

Esther

On Jun 15, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

> Hello Mary,
> 
> In ML, threads are called conversations, but they're still there in classic 
> view.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 15 Jun 2013, at 21:35, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
>> Am I correct in assuming that the only way to get threaded mail is with the 
>> new mail view? I'm still on snow leopard but will probably be getting a 
>> notebook or a newer desktop in the fairly near future. I love the way my 
>> mail reads now, where I can just hear  the subject line and vo plus j to the 
>> preview pane and back again to the message list. Very efficient, except for 
>> the lack of ability to delete a whole thread at once. With the new mail 
>> view, I wonder if I'd be gaining that much with threading if it means a lot 
>> more verbosity and vo interaction with messages in a thread.
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
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Re: Mail verbosity, improving productivity

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Mary,

In ML, threads are called conversations, but they're still there in classic 
view.

Cheers,

Anne


On 15 Jun 2013, at 21:35, Mary Otten  wrote:

> Am I correct in assuming that the only way to get threaded mail is with the 
> new mail view? I'm still on snow leopard but will probably be getting a 
> notebook or a newer desktop in the fairly near future. I love the way my mail 
> reads now, where I can just hear  the subject line and vo plus j to the 
> preview pane and back again to the message list. Very efficient, except for 
> the lack of ability to delete a whole thread at once. With the new mail view, 
> I wonder if I'd be gaining that much with threading if it means a lot more 
> verbosity and vo interaction with messages in a thread.
> 
> Mary
> 
> Mary Otten
> motte...@gmail.com
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Re: Mail verbosity, improving productivity

[Mary Otten]

Am I correct in assuming that the only way to get threaded mail is with the new 
mail view? I'm still on snow leopard but will probably be getting a notebook or 
a newer desktop in the fairly near future. I love the way my mail reads now, 
where I can just hear  the subject line and vo plus j to the preview pane and 
back again to the message list. Very efficient, except for the lack of ability 
to delete a whole thread at once. With the new mail view, I wonder if I'd be 
gaining that much with threading if it means a lot more verbosity and vo 
interaction with messages in a thread.

Mary

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Re: Mail verbosity, improving productivity

[Zachary Kline]

Unfortunately, I believe that unless you use the classic view, you're stuck 
hearing things as they are. I'm open to being corrected about this, but it is 
one of my gripes with the app as it stands. Sorry I don't have better news.
Best,
Zack.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 15, 2013, at 9:15 AM, Eric Caron  wrote:

> Hi listers and fellow mail users,
> 
> I read many messages from many lists.  I would love to change the way VO 
> reads information to me as I arrow down a long list of messages.  I have 
> improved things to some degree but would love some tips on improving 
> productivity a bit more.
> 
> I use the new view of Mail and have threads in conversations.  When arrowing 
> down I have to hear VO say something like " 15 message conversation triangle 
> unread"  I then hear the person's name and then the subject.
> 
> I would like to hear the Information about number of messages and status 
> last.  In many cases hearing the subject would allow me to delete and not 
> bother hearing the other chatter for each and every conversation.
> 
> I have changed the verbosity to low in a mail activity so I now only hear "15 
> Message conversation."  So this decreases the chatter but moving this 
> information  to the end would be a great time saver and make a more pleasant 
> working experience.
> 
> Does anyone know how to change mail or VO settings to accomplish this?
> 
> gratefully,
> 
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Mail verbosity, improving productivity

[Eric Caron]

Hi listers and fellow mail users,

I read many messages from many lists.  I would love to change the way VO reads 
information to me as I arrow down a long list of messages.  I have improved 
things to some degree but would love some tips on improving productivity a bit 
more.

I use the new view of Mail and have threads in conversations.  When arrowing 
down I have to hear VO say something like " 15 message conversation triangle 
unread"  I then hear the person's name and then the subject.

I would like to hear the Information about number of messages and status last.  
In many cases hearing the subject would allow me to delete and not bother 
hearing the other chatter for each and every conversation.

I have changed the verbosity to low in a mail activity so I now only hear "15 
Message conversation."  So this decreases the chatter but moving this 
information  to the end would be a great time saver and make a more pleasant 
working experience.

Does anyone know how to change mail or VO settings to accomplish this?

gratefully,

Eric Caron 
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Re: Verbosity Re: Help selecting text on websites

[Glenn]

I wonder if the problem might go away with a restart of the computer.
I am thinking that if the ram is full, VO may lose the ability to echo the 
information.
Perhaps someone can restart and test this.

Glenn
- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Gregory" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 9:07 AM
Subject: Verbosity Re: Help selecting text on websites


What are the differences in the verbosity settings? I've had the Mac a while 
now but never been able to figure that.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 1, 2013, at 9:59 AM, "David Griffith"  
wrote:

> I was on my Mac this afternoon and I had no problem with Safari announcing
> text that I had selected no matter what method I used including lines and
> words selected from the Web rota.
> There appears to be a problem then with some Voiceover settings where it 
> is
> not announcing all selected text. This appears however to be an issue not
> confined to you as others on this list appear also to have encountered 
> this
> problem.
> Very peculiar as I cannot reproduce this difficulty at all.
>
> I am using voiceover with medium verbosity. As far as I am aware I have 
> not
> altered anything else in verbosity.
>
> David Griffith.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of David Griffith
> Sent: 01 May 2013 11:01
> To: 'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility'
> Subject: RE: Help selecting text on websites
>
> Ok.
> The reason you did not have to use option is probably I think because you
> have quick nav turned on. This is fine but it limits the flexibility of 
> the
> text you select to words. I sometimes want to select characters using the
> arrow keys, and more importantly as I am hearing impaired carefully and
> slowly review  the text.
> Quick nav is great but I think you would get even more single hand
> functionality with numpad commander which I use all the time. You need a
> keyboard with a numpad keypad for this though. I think it is possible to
> transform a laptop keyboard to emulate a numpad keyboard but I think you 
> are
> probably better off sticking to Quick nav on laptops.
> Re sticky keys announcement have you tried adjusting Voiceover verbosity? 
> I
> have found Voiceover far less annoying with its announcements since I
> reduced verbosity from high to medium. As far as I can see Voiceover still
> announces everything critical but stops making annoying and unnecessary
> announcements like new line doing say all read out and so on. It might be
> worth a try if you have not adjusted this setting.
>
> David Griffith
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Catherine Turner
> Sent: 01 May 2013 10:14
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: Help selecting text on websites
>
> Hi David,
>
> Thanks for this.  I added lines to the rotor.  When I tried Shift down 
> this
> selected the line but VO didn't announce anything so I'm not keen on that
> method.
>
> I tried the interact with text, press VO Enter thing and this worked fine
> but I found I could select stuff with just the arrow keys and don't have 
> to
> press Option and Command with it.
>
> I'd really like to use theVO Shift C thing because I think that would be 
> the
> most efficient way but I have a problem with that at the moment.  Because
> I'm using Sticky Keys, whenever I press VO Shift C the last phrase VO said
> is "sticky key x off".  I wonder if I can stop VO announcing the status of
> the sticky keys?  Their status is indicated by sounds which I'm used to so
> would like to stop VO announcing them if possible but I don't know if this
> is possible?  Any ideas?
>
> THanks,
> Catherine
> On 4/30/13, David Griffith  wrote:
>> Firstly I would, as suggested on this list a couple of weeks ago,
>> amend your Voiceover settings in Voiceover Utility  to include lines
>> under your web rota.
>> You will find this under Web and Web rota. Just check the lines
>> element in the table of elements to include in the rota.
>> This will add the capacity to select lines of text in Safari.
>> As far as I recall this is announced correctly by Voiceover but I am
>> on my windows laptop at the moment so will have to check later.
>>
>> An alternative method of selecting words is slightly more convoluted
>> but definitely works and is read appropriately.
>> 1,. Interact with Text.
>> 2. Press VO enter.
>> 3. Then select the words with shift option and cursor keys.

Verbosity Re: Help selecting text on websites

[Josh Gregory]

What are the differences in the verbosity settings? I've had the Mac a while 
now but never been able to figure that.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 1, 2013, at 9:59 AM, "David Griffith"  wrote:

> I was on my Mac this afternoon and I had no problem with Safari announcing
> text that I had selected no matter what method I used including lines and
> words selected from the Web rota.
> There appears to be a problem then with some Voiceover settings where it is
> not announcing all selected text. This appears however to be an issue not
> confined to you as others on this list appear also to have encountered this
> problem.
> Very peculiar as I cannot reproduce this difficulty at all.
> 
> I am using voiceover with medium verbosity. As far as I am aware I have  not
> altered anything else in verbosity.
> 
> David Griffith.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of David Griffith
> Sent: 01 May 2013 11:01
> To: 'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility'
> Subject: RE: Help selecting text on websites
> 
> Ok.
> The reason you did not have to use option is probably I think because you
> have quick nav turned on. This is fine but it limits the flexibility of the
> text you select to words. I sometimes want to select characters using the
> arrow keys, and more importantly as I am hearing impaired carefully and
> slowly review  the text.
> Quick nav is great but I think you would get even more single hand
> functionality with numpad commander which I use all the time. You need a
> keyboard with a numpad keypad for this though. I think it is possible to
> transform a laptop keyboard to emulate a numpad keyboard but I think you are
> probably better off sticking to Quick nav on laptops.
> Re sticky keys announcement have you tried adjusting Voiceover verbosity? I
> have found Voiceover far less annoying with its announcements since I
> reduced verbosity from high to medium. As far as I can see Voiceover still
> announces everything critical but stops making annoying and unnecessary
> announcements like new line doing say all read out and so on. It might be
> worth a try if you have not adjusted this setting.
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Catherine Turner
> Sent: 01 May 2013 10:14
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: Help selecting text on websites
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> Thanks for this.  I added lines to the rotor.  When I tried Shift down this
> selected the line but VO didn't announce anything so I'm not keen on that
> method.
> 
> I tried the interact with text, press VO Enter thing and this worked fine
> but I found I could select stuff with just the arrow keys and don't have to
> press Option and Command with it.
> 
> I'd really like to use theVO Shift C thing because I think that would be the
> most efficient way but I have a problem with that at the moment.  Because
> I'm using Sticky Keys, whenever I press VO Shift C the last phrase VO said
> is "sticky key x off".  I wonder if I can stop VO announcing the status of
> the sticky keys?  Their status is indicated by sounds which I'm used to so
> would like to stop VO announcing them if possible but I don't know if this
> is possible?  Any ideas?
> 
> THanks,
> Catherine
> On 4/30/13, David Griffith  wrote:
>> Firstly I would, as suggested on this list a couple of weeks ago, 
>> amend your Voiceover settings in Voiceover Utility  to include lines 
>> under your web rota.
>> You will find this under Web and Web rota. Just check the lines 
>> element in the table of elements to include in the rota.
>> This will add the capacity to select lines of text in Safari.
>> As far as I recall this is announced correctly by Voiceover but I am 
>> on my windows laptop at the moment so will have to check later.
>> 
>> An alternative method of selecting words is slightly more convoluted 
>> but definitely works and is read appropriately.
>> 1,. Interact with Text.
>> 2. Press VO enter.
>> 3. Then select the words with shift option and cursor keys.
>> 4. Press VO enter again to end selection. Press Command C to copy.
>> 5.  Uninteract with Text to return to normal web page reading.
>> 
>> 
>> Also remember the standby VO Shit C to copy the last phrase spoken to 
>> the clipboard. This is a rapid and efficient way of copying a 
>> paragraph of text or other page element.
>> 
>> David Griffith
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> .
>&

Re: verbosity levels

[Terry clasper]

yes, this works, I have mine set to medium and it just reads the next message.
On 7 Feb 2013, at 12:10, JAMES AUSTIN  wrote:

> Try changing your Verbosity level to "Medium" or "Low"
> On 7 Feb 2013, at 12:08, William Lomas  wrote:
> 
> hi all whenever i delete an email i keep hearing now in …. and then inbox of 
> my account. can i stop VO please under mountain lion saying this?
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Re: verbosity levels

[Red.Falcon]

Hi there!
Another option is to custom your verbosity under VO utility I'm not sure which 
one will be the one to help but if you have a few Mins you could have a look to 
see if any of the options are of use to you!
So you could keep standard verbosity on high and have the custom bits do stuff 
where you like them and keep others where you need them!
HTH Colin

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Re: verbosity levels

[William Lomas]

will do it driving me mad smile

On 7 Feb 2013, at 12:10, JAMES AUSTIN  wrote:

> Try changing your Verbosity level to "Medium" or "Low"
> On 7 Feb 2013, at 12:08, William Lomas  wrote:
> 
> hi all whenever i delete an email i keep hearing now in …. and then inbox of 
> my account. can i stop VO please under mountain lion saying this?
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Re: verbosity levels

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Try changing your Verbosity level to "Medium" or "Low"
On 7 Feb 2013, at 12:08, William Lomas  wrote:

hi all whenever i delete an email i keep hearing now in …. and then inbox of my 
account. can i stop VO please under mountain lion saying this?

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Great podcast on Mac, VO and access and verbosity issues.

[Danny Noonan]

Find below info on a really enjoyable Access Wizard podcast
 episode. I'm very glad to here it's not just me that find such things 
frustrating and wonder why simple steps can't be taken to improve things for 
the better.

I'm really enjoying all the Access Wizard episodes actually but this one really 
clicked. Perhaps if enough of us are concerted, rational and articulate enough, 
things may improve in the future.

Fingers crossed. :-)


Danny:

As mentioned in the last episode we’re revisiting OSX accessibility. We’re 
joined by jamieTeh of NV Access (a truly professional accessibility hero and 
tuff like dat and da whole big ting).

 
It is not just about VoiceOver this time. Its about efficient user interfaces. 
Some very basic concepts such as:

• Keyboard access

• Keyboard shortcuts

 
Followed by a bit of good old VoiceOver stuff like:

• Verbosity

 
As always listen to find out more.

 
Sincerely,

Yours truly

 
PS

Speaking of efficiency and keyboard access and tuff like dat you might want to 
check out this old article by Apple. It hasn’t been updated in a while. In fact 
implementation of full keyboard access hasn’t been updated in a while. Moreover 
the so-called full keyboard access gives no access to sidebars and contextual 
menus. **hint: accessibil...@apple.com is awaiting your positive and 
professional feedback.

Share this: 


http://www.voiceoveron.com/2012/11/29/access-wizard-episode-9-accessibility-back-to-basics-keyboard-access-shortcuts-and-verbosity/


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Re: More on verbosity of numbers

[Gordon Smith]

Chris.

Can we stay away from discussing Jaws please, it's OT for this group.

I know you're expressing an opinion, but let's try and steer clear of anything 
Windows.

On 29 Aug 2011, at 11:13, Chris Moore wrote:

This is where I think JAWS excels over VO, JAWS has so many different ways it 
handles numbers and is very smart about it.  It can be set to recognise phone 
numbers, and it can also read numbers out as pairs so they are spoken as words, 
such as 1 would be read out  as nine teen etc.  I was disappointed to see that 
number handling in VO had not been improved.

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Re: More on verbosity of numbers

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Hi Zack\

I guess this just depend on your perspective.  I believe VoiceOver should be a 
screen reader, not a screen interpreter. The function of a screen-reader is to 
tell you what is on the screen, not what they think it should be.

I need to make it clear though that this issue differs from mispronunciation.  
That is perfectly understandable on occasions and as others have quite rightly 
pointed out, they can be fixes.  I'm not picking faults for the sake of it.  I 
just feel quite strongly that VoiceOver's function should not be to preempt or 
to guess, or to change the content of the display.  VoiceOver should be a 
screen-reader, and nothing else.  Just my humble opinion, others are perfectly 
entitled to differ.

Gordon


On 29 Aug 2011, at 18:26, Zachary Kline wrote:

Hi GOrdon,
While I see and respect where you're coming from, in fairness I've not found 
too many odd examples like the one you posted.  I generally appreciate VO's 
interpretation of dates and similar, especially in Lion, as it seems to have 
markedly improved.  I'm willing to put up with the occasional oddity for better 
support overall, I think.  Granted, an option of some kind might be advisable, 
but I'm quite happy with the way things are now.
Yours,
Zack.
On Aug 29, 2011, at 3:13 AM, Chris Moore wrote:

> This is where I think JAWS excels over VO, JAWS has so many different ways it 
> handles numbers and is very smart about it.  It can be set to recognise phone 
> numbers, and it can also read numbers out as pairs so they are spoken as 
> words, such as 1 would be read out  as nine teen etc.  I was disappointed to 
> see that number handling in VO had not been improved.
> 
> Where VO does kick JAWS ass though is with title attribute in HTML.  THis has 
> proven to be a real headache for me with the default settings for JAWS.
> On 29 Aug 2011, at 08:46, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hi all
>> 
>> I think I need to qualify my last post a little.  I'm talking about the way 
>> screen interpretation is changed.  I have the "VO Utility > Verbosity > Text 
>> > speak numbers as" setting set to "words".  However, I did this because I 
>> don't want to hear, for instance in the mailbox messages list, "one seven 
>> messages, one six unread".  I prefer to hear "seventeen messages, sixteen 
>> unread".  But the version numbers of programmes etc. is being taken way too 
>> literally, and it's being translated into something totally different.  The 
>> version number in Esther's message, for instance, with the above VO setting 
>> set to "words" is spoken as "Version the first of February two thousand and 
>> twenty-eight".
>> 
>> I think we need some sort of half-way house here.  There shouldn't only be 
>> one rule which covers everything.  I need to think about this one a little, 
>> before approaching Apple with a solution.  But I just hate everything being 
>> read as digits so I will keep that setting set to words and, for now, I 
>> guess I'll just have to tolerate it.
>> 
>> Gordon
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Re: Verbosity

[Gordon Smith]

Hi Nic

That's interesting actually.  I would once over have had the patience to do 
that.  Not any more though or, should I say, not at the moment.  My pain 
threshold is a bit too high for that at he moment.  But oopse!  I forgot, 
somebody objected to mention of personal circumstance dint he!  I know he's not 
on list any more, but I don't want a repeat performance. :)

Gordon



On 29 Aug 2011, at 17:12, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

Hi Gordon,

Well, Apple's voices do have a way to string sounds together as well, and you 
can actually play with the phonemes and if you have the patience, get some 
rather impressive results.

However, you cannot save these as permanent pronunciations, so they are mainly 
used to customize a voice for specific uses for implementation within your OS X 
applications.

Regards,
Nic
On Aug 29, 2011, at 3:55 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi Nic
> 
> You've basically said it all.  But, of course, my error earlier was 
> forgetting totally about the layer of control that Infovox presents.  Infovox 
> doesn't always make things too easy as they use fonems to string together 
> sounds.
> 
> I suppose that is reasonable in a way, as it allows you to customise things 
> pretty accurately when you get used to how they goners work.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> 
> On 29 Aug 2011, at 14:48, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
> Hi Gordon,
> 
> Well, the real issue is that even the speech engines try to substitute on a 
> lot of occasions, such as abbreviations, date formats, etc. VoiceOver does 
> not have control over this, as which substitutions are being used depends 
> entirely on the synthesizer that you use. I like abbreviations, if the speech 
> gets them right if there are multiple instances of the same abbreviation 
> which means something different, however, it'd be nice to actually be able to 
> control which ones are used based on the speech engine that you use or even 
> let VoiceOver control this aspect. Unfortunately, where Apple has actually 
> done the most damage is when using letters like æ, ø and å where they have 
> replaced the pronunciation in the original Vocalizer speech engine with the 
> Apple translation from English straight to Danish, so that ø for example 
> becomes "o with slash" if translated.. The actual engine does this correctly, 
> but Apple for some reason seemed to want to change this, and telling them how 
> it should be is an effort in futility.
> 
> I used to love ALex, but in Lion I just can't get used to him. He doesn't 
> pronounce things that different now, but it's just the gruff tone in his 
> voice in general that I don't like. I find his speech more flowing, but even 
> so, the gruff tone puts me off. A friend of mine described him as a "kind 
> preacher" which kind of amused me but I found myself agreeing with that 
> statement in the end.
> 
> I will say that I wish we had a lot more control over how things are spoken. 
> While we do have a Pronunciation Editor, it does not permit you to edit 
> abbreviations for the voices and I suppose for a good reason. it would still 
> be nice to switch it off, or even select which ones you'd want to use even if 
> you were unable to edit.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
> On Aug 29, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hi Nic
>> 
>> Last point first. I need to write to AssistieWare I thin, because this is a 
>> real issue that's causing confusion.  Apple is definitely trying to put 
>> substitutions in there.  To be fair there is a pronunciations editor  But it 
>> doesn't let you change a lot of things really.
>> 
>> Given that Apple has moved towards using third party voices, I wonder if 
>> they've given up the development of Alex. I find the voice nauseating now to 
>> be honest. I used to use it inSnow Leopard but in Lion I just couldn't 
>> tolerate him.  I'd rather use Nuance Daniel, and that's saying something.
>> 
>> Gordon
>> 
>> On 29 Aug 2011, at 12:03, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>> 
>> I agree. He sounds a bit beefier in Lion than he did on Snow Leopard. in SL, 
>> I actually quite liked him, and I still do in 10.7, but he just sounds a lot 
>> rougher to me than he used to sound.
>> 
>> As for numbers, Apple still tries to control this. An example is that if you 
>> have a certain amount of numbers, Apple will interpret them as bar codes. An 
>> engineer even said as much, and I find this kind of wrong to assume.
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Re: More on verbosity of numbers

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Hi GOrdon,
While I see and respect where you're coming from, in fairness I've not found 
too many odd examples like the one you posted.  I generally appreciate VO's 
interpretation of dates and similar, especially in Lion, as it seems to have 
markedly improved.  I'm willing to put up with the occasional oddity for better 
support overall, I think.  Granted, an option of some kind might be advisable, 
but I'm quite happy with the way things are now.
Yours,
Zack.
On Aug 29, 2011, at 3:13 AM, Chris Moore wrote:

> This is where I think JAWS excels over VO, JAWS has so many different ways it 
> handles numbers and is very smart about it.  It can be set to recognise phone 
> numbers, and it can also read numbers out as pairs so they are spoken as 
> words, such as 1 would be read out  as nine teen etc.  I was disappointed to 
> see that number handling in VO had not been improved.
> 
> Where VO does kick JAWS ass though is with title attribute in HTML.  THis has 
> proven to be a real headache for me with the default settings for JAWS.
> On 29 Aug 2011, at 08:46, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hi all
>> 
>> I think I need to qualify my last post a little.  I'm talking about the way 
>> screen interpretation is changed.  I have the "VO Utility > Verbosity > Text 
>> > speak numbers as" setting set to "words".  However, I did this because I 
>> don't want to hear, for instance in the mailbox messages list, "one seven 
>> messages, one six unread".  I prefer to hear "seventeen messages, sixteen 
>> unread".  But the version numbers of programmes etc. is being taken way too 
>> literally, and it's being translated into something totally different.  The 
>> version number in Esther's message, for instance, with the above VO setting 
>> set to "words" is spoken as "Version the first of February two thousand and 
>> twenty-eight".
>> 
>> I think we need some sort of half-way house here.  There shouldn't only be 
>> one rule which covers everything.  I need to think about this one a little, 
>> before approaching Apple with a solution.  But I just hate everything being 
>> read as digits so I will keep that setting set to words and, for now, I 
>> guess I'll just have to tolerate it.
>> 
>> Gordon
>> 
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Re: Verbosity

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi Gordon,

Well, Apple's voices do have a way to string sounds together as well, and you 
can actually play with the phonemes and if you have the patience, get some 
rather impressive results.

However, you cannot save these as permanent pronunciations, so they are mainly 
used to customize a voice for specific uses for implementation within your OS X 
applications.

Regards,
Nic
On Aug 29, 2011, at 3:55 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi Nic
> 
> You've basically said it all.  But, of course, my error earlier was 
> forgetting totally about the layer of control that Infovox presents.  Infovox 
> doesn't always make things too easy as they use fonems to string together 
> sounds.
> 
> I suppose that is reasonable in a way, as it allows you to customise things 
> pretty accurately when you get used to how they goners work.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> 
> On 29 Aug 2011, at 14:48, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
> Hi Gordon,
> 
> Well, the real issue is that even the speech engines try to substitute on a 
> lot of occasions, such as abbreviations, date formats, etc. VoiceOver does 
> not have control over this, as which substitutions are being used depends 
> entirely on the synthesizer that you use. I like abbreviations, if the speech 
> gets them right if there are multiple instances of the same abbreviation 
> which means something different, however, it'd be nice to actually be able to 
> control which ones are used based on the speech engine that you use or even 
> let VoiceOver control this aspect. Unfortunately, where Apple has actually 
> done the most damage is when using letters like æ, ø and å where they have 
> replaced the pronunciation in the original Vocalizer speech engine with the 
> Apple translation from English straight to Danish, so that ø for example 
> becomes "o with slash" if translated.. The actual engine does this correctly, 
> but Apple for some reason seemed to want to change this, and telling them how 
> it should be is an effort in futility.
> 
> I used to love ALex, but in Lion I just can't get used to him. He doesn't 
> pronounce things that different now, but it's just the gruff tone in his 
> voice in general that I don't like. I find his speech more flowing, but even 
> so, the gruff tone puts me off. A friend of mine described him as a "kind 
> preacher" which kind of amused me but I found myself agreeing with that 
> statement in the end.
> 
> I will say that I wish we had a lot more control over how things are spoken. 
> While we do have a Pronunciation Editor, it does not permit you to edit 
> abbreviations for the voices and I suppose for a good reason. it would still 
> be nice to switch it off, or even select which ones you'd want to use even if 
> you were unable to edit.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
> On Aug 29, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hi Nic
>> 
>> Last point first. I need to write to AssistieWare I thin, because this is a 
>> real issue that's causing confusion.  Apple is definitely trying to put 
>> substitutions in there.  To be fair there is a pronunciations editor  But it 
>> doesn't let you change a lot of things really.
>> 
>> Given that Apple has moved towards using third party voices, I wonder if 
>> they've given up the development of Alex. I find the voice nauseating now to 
>> be honest. I used to use it inSnow Leopard but in Lion I just couldn't 
>> tolerate him.  I'd rather use Nuance Daniel, and that's saying something.
>> 
>> Gordon
>> 
>> On 29 Aug 2011, at 12:03, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>> 
>> I agree. He sounds a bit beefier in Lion than he did on Snow Leopard. in SL, 
>> I actually quite liked him, and I still do in 10.7, but he just sounds a lot 
>> rougher to me than he used to sound.
>> 
>> As for numbers, Apple still tries to control this. An example is that if you 
>> have a certain amount of numbers, Apple will interpret them as bar codes. An 
>> engineer even said as much, and I find this kind of wrong to assume.
>> 
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Re: Verbosity

[Gordon Smith]

Hi Nic

You've basically said it all.  But, of course, my error earlier was forgetting 
totally about the layer of control that Infovox presents.  Infovox doesn't 
always make things too easy as they use fonems to string together sounds.

I suppose that is reasonable in a way, as it allows you to customise things 
pretty accurately when you get used to how they goners work.

Gordon


On 29 Aug 2011, at 14:48, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

Hi Gordon,

Well, the real issue is that even the speech engines try to substitute on a lot 
of occasions, such as abbreviations, date formats, etc. VoiceOver does not have 
control over this, as which substitutions are being used depends entirely on 
the synthesizer that you use. I like abbreviations, if the speech gets them 
right if there are multiple instances of the same abbreviation which means 
something different, however, it'd be nice to actually be able to control which 
ones are used based on the speech engine that you use or even let VoiceOver 
control this aspect. Unfortunately, where Apple has actually done the most 
damage is when using letters like æ, ø and å where they have replaced the 
pronunciation in the original Vocalizer speech engine with the Apple 
translation from English straight to Danish, so that ø for example becomes "o 
with slash" if translated.. The actual engine does this correctly, but Apple 
for some reason seemed to want to change this, and telling them how it should 
be is an effort in futility.

I used to love ALex, but in Lion I just can't get used to him. He doesn't 
pronounce things that different now, but it's just the gruff tone in his voice 
in general that I don't like. I find his speech more flowing, but even so, the 
gruff tone puts me off. A friend of mine described him as a "kind preacher" 
which kind of amused me but I found myself agreeing with that statement in the 
end.

I will say that I wish we had a lot more control over how things are spoken. 
While we do have a Pronunciation Editor, it does not permit you to edit 
abbreviations for the voices and I suppose for a good reason. it would still be 
nice to switch it off, or even select which ones you'd want to use even if you 
were unable to edit.

Regards,
Nic
On Aug 29, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi Nic
> 
> Last point first. I need to write to AssistieWare I thin, because this is a 
> real issue that's causing confusion.  Apple is definitely trying to put 
> substitutions in there.  To be fair there is a pronunciations editor  But it 
> doesn't let you change a lot of things really.
> 
> Given that Apple has moved towards using third party voices, I wonder if 
> they've given up the development of Alex. I find the voice nauseating now to 
> be honest. I used to use it inSnow Leopard but in Lion I just couldn't 
> tolerate him.  I'd rather use Nuance Daniel, and that's saying something.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> On 29 Aug 2011, at 12:03, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
> I agree. He sounds a bit beefier in Lion than he did on Snow Leopard. in SL, 
> I actually quite liked him, and I still do in 10.7, but he just sounds a lot 
> rougher to me than he used to sound.
> 
> As for numbers, Apple still tries to control this. An example is that if you 
> have a certain amount of numbers, Apple will interpret them as bar codes. An 
> engineer even said as much, and I find this kind of wrong to assume.
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Re: Verbosity

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi Gordon,

Well, the real issue is that even the speech engines try to substitute on a lot 
of occasions, such as abbreviations, date formats, etc. VoiceOver does not have 
control over this, as which substitutions are being used depends entirely on 
the synthesizer that you use. I like abbreviations, if the speech gets them 
right if there are multiple instances of the same abbreviation which means 
something different, however, it'd be nice to actually be able to control which 
ones are used based on the speech engine that you use or even let VoiceOver 
control this aspect. Unfortunately, where Apple has actually done the most 
damage is when using letters like æ, ø and å where they have replaced the 
pronunciation in the original Vocalizer speech engine with the Apple 
translation from English straight to Danish, so that ø for example becomes "o 
with slash" if translated.. The actual engine does this correctly, but Apple 
for some reason seemed to want to change this, and telling them how it should 
be is an effort in futility.

I used to love ALex, but in Lion I just can't get used to him. He doesn't 
pronounce things that different now, but it's just the gruff tone in his voice 
in general that I don't like. I find his speech more flowing, but even so, the 
gruff tone puts me off. A friend of mine described him as a "kind preacher" 
which kind of amused me but I found myself agreeing with that statement in the 
end.

I will say that I wish we had a lot more control over how things are spoken. 
While we do have a Pronunciation Editor, it does not permit you to edit 
abbreviations for the voices and I suppose for a good reason. it would still be 
nice to switch it off, or even select which ones you'd want to use even if you 
were unable to edit.

Regards,
Nic
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> Hi Nic
> 
> Last point first. I need to write to AssistieWare I thin, because this is a 
> real issue that's causing confusion.  Apple is definitely trying to put 
> substitutions in there.  To be fair there is a pronunciations editor  But it 
> doesn't let you change a lot of things really.
> 
> Given that Apple has moved towards using third party voices, I wonder if 
> they've given up the development of Alex. I find the voice nauseating now to 
> be honest. I used to use it inSnow Leopard but in Lion I just couldn't 
> tolerate him.  I'd rather use Nuance Daniel, and that's saying something.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> On 29 Aug 2011, at 12:03, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
> I agree. He sounds a bit beefier in Lion than he did on Snow Leopard. in SL, 
> I actually quite liked him, and I still do in 10.7, but he just sounds a lot 
> rougher to me than he used to sound.
> 
> As for numbers, Apple still tries to control this. An example is that if you 
> have a certain amount of numbers, Apple will interpret them as bar codes. An 
> engineer even said as much, and I find this kind of wrong to assume.
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Hi Nic

Last point first. I need to write to AssistieWare I thin, because this is a 
real issue that's causing confusion.  Apple is definitely trying to put 
substitutions in there.  To be fair there is a pronunciations editor  But it 
doesn't let you change a lot of things really.

Given that Apple has moved towards using third party voices, I wonder if 
they've given up the development of Alex. I find the voice nauseating now to be 
honest. I used to use it inSnow Leopard but in Lion I just couldn't tolerate 
him.  I'd rather use Nuance Daniel, and that's saying something.

Gordon

On 29 Aug 2011, at 12:03, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

I agree. He sounds a bit beefier in Lion than he did on Snow Leopard. in SL, I 
actually quite liked him, and I still do in 10.7, but he just sounds a lot 
rougher to me than he used to sound.

As for numbers, Apple still tries to control this. An example is that if you 
have a certain amount of numbers, Apple will interpret them as bar codes. An 
engineer even said as much, and I find this kind of wrong to assume.

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Re: Verbosity

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Hi Gordon,

I agree. He sounds a bit beefier in Lion than he did on Snow Leopard. in SL, I 
actually quite liked him, and I still do in 10.7, but he just sounds a lot 
rougher to me than he used to sound.

As for numbers, Apple still tries to control this. An example is that if you 
have a certain amount of numbers, Apple will interpret them as bar codes. An 
engineer even said as much, and I find this kind of wrong to assume.

Regards,
Nic
On Aug 29, 2011, at 12:51 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> Just taken a break from work because I wanted to post a response to Nic's 
> message regarding verbosity of numbers.
> 
> Nic, you're quite correct.  I totally forgot about the iVlx pronunciation 
> issue.  I have to hold nmy hand up and say that I overlooked it totally, so I 
> retract my earlier comments regarding the verbosity of number.
> 
> Nobody is above making errors, and I certainly did that on this occasion.  
> However, I find the Alex voice nauseating.  He sounds as though he has his 
> fingers stuck up his nose and it's interesting because I don't remember him 
> sounding this bad in Snow Leopard.  As I type I'm using the Alex voice.  The 
> inflection seems to have changed for some reason.
> 
> However, I was wrong on the numbers issue, by virtue of the fact that I 
> overlooked the iVox variable.
> 
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Verbosity

[Gordon Smith]

Hi all

Just taken a break from work because I wanted to post a response to Nic's 
message regarding verbosity of numbers.

Nic, you're quite correct.  I totally forgot about the iVlx pronunciation 
issue.  I have to hold nmy hand up and say that I overlooked it totally, so I 
retract my earlier comments regarding the verbosity of number.

Nobody is above making errors, and I certainly did that on this occasion.  
However, I find the Alex voice nauseating.  He sounds as though he has his 
fingers stuck up his nose and it's interesting because I don't remember him 
sounding this bad in Snow Leopard.  As I type I'm using the Alex voice.  The 
inflection seems to have changed for some reason.

However, I was wrong on the numbers issue, by virtue of the fact that I 
overlooked the iVox variable.

Gordon


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Re: More on verbosity of numbers

[Chris Moore]

This is where I think JAWS excels over VO, JAWS has so many different ways it 
handles numbers and is very smart about it.  It can be set to recognise phone 
numbers, and it can also read numbers out as pairs so they are spoken as words, 
such as 1 would be read out  as nine teen etc.  I was disappointed to see that 
number handling in VO had not been improved.

Where VO does kick JAWS ass though is with title attribute in HTML.  THis has 
proven to be a real headache for me with the default settings for JAWS.
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> 
> I think I need to qualify my last post a little.  I'm talking about the way 
> screen interpretation is changed.  I have the "VO Utility > Verbosity > Text 
> > speak numbers as" setting set to "words".  However, I did this because I 
> don't want to hear, for instance in the mailbox messages list, "one seven 
> messages, one six unread".  I prefer to hear "seventeen messages, sixteen 
> unread".  But the version numbers of programmes etc. is being taken way too 
> literally, and it's being translated into something totally different.  The 
> version number in Esther's message, for instance, with the above VO setting 
> set to "words" is spoken as "Version the first of February two thousand and 
> twenty-eight".
> 
> I think we need some sort of half-way house here.  There shouldn't only be 
> one rule which covers everything.  I need to think about this one a little, 
> before approaching Apple with a solution.  But I just hate everything being 
> read as digits so I will keep that setting set to words and, for now, I guess 
> I'll just have to tolerate it.
> 
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Re: More on verbosity of numbers

[Gordon Smith]

Hello Geoff

Nope, that's not going to help because you still get this problem, for 
instance, in the Finder when you happen to put focus on the app.  But I'm not 
just referring to applications, I'm talking about screen interpretation in 
general.  A screen-reader is supposed to read the screen's contents, not 
interpret them.

Gordon

On 29 Aug 2011, at 09:11, Geoff Waaler wrote:

Gordon,

Wouldn't exploitation of the activities feature introduced in Lion possibly 
serve as a work-around?  That way you can have the numbers read as words in the 
Mail app, but as digits everywhere else?

Best regards.
Geoff

 - Original Message - 
 From: Gordon Smith 
 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility 
 Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 2:46 AM
 Subject: More on verbosity of numbers


 Hi all

 I think I need to qualify my last post a little.  I'm talking about the way 
screen interpretation is changed.  I have the "VO Utility > Verbosity > Text > 
speak numbers as" setting set to "words".  However, I did this because I don't 
want to hear, for instance in the mailbox messages list, "one seven messages, 
one six unread".  I prefer to hear "seventeen messages, sixteen unread".  But 
the version numbers of programmes etc. is being taken way too literally, and 
it's being translated into something totally different.  The version number in 
Esther's message, for instance, with the above VO setting set to "words" is 
spoken as "Version the first of February two thousand and twenty-eight".

 I think we need some sort of half-way house here.  There shouldn't only be one 
rule which covers everything.  I need to think about this one a little, before 
approaching Apple with a solution.  But I just hate everything being read as 
digits so I will keep that setting set to words and, for now, I guess I'll just 
have to tolerate it.

 Gordon


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Re: More on verbosity of numbers

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Gordon,

Wouldn't exploitation of the activities feature introduced in Lion possibly 
serve as a work-around?  That way you can have the numbers read as words in the 
Mail app, but as digits everywhere else?

Best regards.
Geoff

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  Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 2:46 AM
  Subject: More on verbosity of numbers


  Hi all

  I think I need to qualify my last post a little.  I'm talking about the way 
screen interpretation is changed.  I have the "VO Utility > Verbosity > Text > 
speak numbers as" setting set to "words".  However, I did this because I don't 
want to hear, for instance in the mailbox messages list, "one seven messages, 
one six unread".  I prefer to hear "seventeen messages, sixteen unread".  But 
the version numbers of programmes etc. is being taken way too literally, and 
it's being translated into something totally different.  The version number in 
Esther's message, for instance, with the above VO setting set to "words" is 
spoken as "Version the first of February two thousand and twenty-eight".

  I think we need some sort of half-way house here.  There shouldn't only be 
one rule which covers everything.  I need to think about this one a little, 
before approaching Apple with a solution.  But I just hate everything being 
read as digits so I will keep that setting set to words and, for now, I guess 
I'll just have to tolerate it.

  Gordon


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More on verbosity of numbers

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Hi all

I think I need to qualify my last post a little.  I'm talking about the way 
screen interpretation is changed.  I have the "VO Utility > Verbosity > Text > 
speak numbers as" setting set to "words".  However, I did this because I don't 
want to hear, for instance in the mailbox messages list, "one seven messages, 
one six unread".  I prefer to hear "seventeen messages, sixteen unread".  But 
the version numbers of programmes etc. is being taken way too literally, and 
it's being translated into something totally different.  The version number in 
Esther's message, for instance, with the above VO setting set to "words" is 
spoken as "Version the first of February two thousand and twenty-eight".

I think we need some sort of half-way house here.  There shouldn't only be one 
rule which covers everything.  I need to think about this one a little, before 
approaching Apple with a solution.  But I just hate everything being read as 
digits so I will keep that setting set to words and, for now, I guess I'll just 
have to tolerate it.

Gordon


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