no link in e-mail
Lately, people to whom I e-mail links are informing me that there is no link in my messages. How can I fix this? I think I must have changed something in the compose settings but not sure. Thanks. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: apple mail and voice over issue
Hi, It sounds to me like you've accidentally turned quick nav on. You can toggle it on and off by pressing the left and right arrow keys at the same time. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, AIM: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Mar 13, 2011, at 11:56 PM, Denise Avant wrote: hi all, i must have accidently changed my setting in mail because i cannot get voiceover to read properly. for example, if i am on a message, and arrow up to see the next message, instead of saying that message, vo will say i'm on the inbox, and tell me how many messages. this is the best way i can describe it. i have tried restarting my computer but the issue continues. any ideas? thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: seriously ridiculous facebook problem
Hi, I've run into this. Basicly I wrote support. I explained the situation. Then I told them I wasn't getting enough out of the service to justify the grief and they could either enable my account or close it, whichever suited them best and let me know when it was done. My account was enable in a day or two. I'd like to tell you that was the end of that, but I think my ISP has some strange routing issues so it puts me in Montreal occasionally and off we go again. I really should just get rid of it altogether. Best, Erik Burggraaf User support consultant, Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf, 1-888-255-5194 http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2011-03-13, at 9:11 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: Hi list, I recently decided to give facebook a little chance as i have loads of photo tags, messages and friend requests. Upon logging in, i get a roadblock message with facebook telling me there's unusual activity on my account, and to start revising the activities. So of course, i go through the usual verification code with an audio kaptcha which is never a happy moment, then lo and behold, i have to figure out who is on 5 different completely inaccessible photos. As if photos were accessible anyway. SO i ask someone to help me out, painstakingly, then after having probably, i say probably, guessed each person right, we submit our pictionary answers. Facebook being as secure and safe as it is, we took too long to answer. SO back to drawing board, and well, if you have over 200 friends and all of them are travelling all over the place, some photos being just a hand scribbling on a piece of paper or the person in the frame being no bigger than a dot on a landscape, how the hell a blind person is supposed to go through this verification process? To top it off, if there are kaptchas specifically made for the blind, then how on earth did facebook's security team not consider it for the photo jeopardy? Has anyone gotten this eventful problem or am i just soem old school communicator who spent a bit too long out of facebook's social phenomenon and therefore need to slap myself in the face for not booking some time checking if someone has farted on his page or not? Any advise or help greatly appreciated, as i just ate a sandwich and need to report it on my facebook page. Yuma -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: apple mail and voice over issue
hi, you were right on target. thanks. i don't know how i did it or when. well i guess i know how just the when part. On Mar 14, 2011, at 6:34 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, It sounds to me like you've accidentally turned quick nav on. You can toggle it on and off by pressing the left and right arrow keys at the same time. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, AIM: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Mar 13, 2011, at 11:56 PM, Denise Avant wrote: hi all, i must have accidently changed my setting in mail because i cannot get voiceover to read properly. for example, if i am on a message, and arrow up to see the next message, instead of saying that message, vo will say i'm on the inbox, and tell me how many messages. this is the best way i can describe it. i have tried restarting my computer but the issue continues. any ideas? thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: mail in terminal
Jim, You wrote: Are you wanting to send and read email from inside a terminal, or do you want to set up your own mail server? I want to do mail in terminal. The first choice is to have everything at the local level the second to have a mail client in terminal. I'm most interested in doing something like pine or alpine. I know there would be extra steps even after installing a client to go out and gather the mail if not using a local mail server. XB IC|XC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
The official twitter app not accessible. Is it just my mac?
Hello mac users. I just installed the free twitter app from the mac app store. WHen I opened it, I wasn't able to navigate through the interface at all. Am I doing something wrong? I didn't see and accessibility preference or a way to change the interface at all. If this app isn't accessible I'll write to twitter to see if there is something that can be done seeing as the iPhone twitter app is one of my favourite apps and one of the most accessible apps I've used in a while. Thanks all. Matthew Campbell. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: The official twitter app not accessible. Is it just my mac?
Hi Matthew, try syrinx. It's a very accessible twitter client for mac. On 3/14/11, Matthew Campbell wrestling.ch...@gmail.com wrote: Hello mac users. I just installed the free twitter app from the mac app store. WHen I opened it, I wasn't able to navigate through the interface at all. Am I doing something wrong? I didn't see and accessibility preference or a way to change the interface at all. If this app isn't accessible I'll write to twitter to see if there is something that can be done seeing as the iPhone twitter app is one of my favourite apps and one of the most accessible apps I've used in a while. Thanks all. Matthew Campbell. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: The official twitter app not accessible. Is it just my mac?
Hi. I have syrinx and love it but I wanted to try something different that's all. On 2011-03-14, at 10:11 AM, Claudio Haase wrote: Hi Matthew, try syrinx. It's a very accessible twitter client for mac. On 3/14/11, Matthew Campbell wrestling.ch...@gmail.com wrote: Hello mac users. I just installed the free twitter app from the mac app store. WHen I opened it, I wasn't able to navigate through the interface at all. Am I doing something wrong? I didn't see and accessibility preference or a way to change the interface at all. If this app isn't accessible I'll write to twitter to see if there is something that can be done seeing as the iPhone twitter app is one of my favourite apps and one of the most accessible apps I've used in a while. Thanks all. Matthew Campbell. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Is the disappearance of Voice Over a unique problem, or do others have it, too?
Hi everyone, I am using Snow Leopard V 10.6.6 on a Mac Book with 4 GB/RAM. For reasons I do not understand, I occasionally lose Voice Over, especially when I am using Mail. Though the problem is not limited to Mail, Voice Over just seems to unload itself, and the only thing I can do is repeatedly hit Command F5 until VO decides to make an appearance. Its disappearance is apparently random, i.e. I can't make it disappear at will. Has anyone else encountered this problem? If not, what might be causing it? Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. My best to all of you, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is the disappearance of Voice Over a unique problem, or do others have it, too?
Yes, it happens to me on my mac mini, os 10.6.6. Same symptoms you are experiencing. Be sure to send a note with complete details to accessibil...@apple.com Thanks, Bryan On Mar 14, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: Hi everyone, I am using Snow Leopard V 10.6.6 on a Mac Book with 4 GB/RAM. For reasons I do not understand, I occasionally lose Voice Over, especially when I am using Mail. Though the problem is not limited to Mail, Voice Over just seems to unload itself, and the only thing I can do is repeatedly hit Command F5 until VO decides to make an appearance. Its disappearance is apparently random, i.e. I can't make it disappear at will. Has anyone else encountered this problem? If not, what might be causing it? Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. My best to all of you, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is the disappearance of Voice Over a unique problem, or do others have it, too?
oh yes this has been happening to me since I started using snowleopard in 2009. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:38 AM, Michael Busboom m...@busboom.at wrote: Hi everyone, I am using Snow Leopard V 10.6.6 on a Mac Book with 4 GB/RAM. For reasons I do not understand, I occasionally lose Voice Over, especially when I am using Mail. Though the problem is not limited to Mail, Voice Over just seems to unload itself, and the only thing I can do is repeatedly hit Command F5 until VO decides to make an appearance. Its disappearance is apparently random, i.e. I can't make it disappear at will. Has anyone else encountered this problem? If not, what might be causing it? Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. My best to all of you, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is the disappearance of Voice Over a unique problem, or do others have it, too?
For the first time ever, today I lost VoiceOver completely, for no apparent reason, but couldn't get it back no matter what I tried. I managed to quit Mail and reboot the MacBook Pro without VoiceOver and haven't seen anything unusual for the past few hours. Very strange. Console log reported a 111 KCG error for VoiceOver. Slau On Mar 14, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: Hi everyone, I am using Snow Leopard V 10.6.6 on a Mac Book with 4 GB/RAM. For reasons I do not understand, I occasionally lose Voice Over, especially when I am using Mail. Though the problem is not limited to Mail, Voice Over just seems to unload itself, and the only thing I can do is repeatedly hit Command F5 until VO decides to make an appearance. Its disappearance is apparently random, i.e. I can't make it disappear at will. Has anyone else encountered this problem? If not, what might be causing it? Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. My best to all of you, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is the disappearance of Voice Over a unique problem, or do others have it, too?
Not this exact problem, but something similar: IMac, Snow Leopard 10.6.6. I invoke sleep. When I wake it up, I must either press a number of arrows or other simple commands, or simply close and open vo with command 5. On Mar 14, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: Hi everyone, I am using Snow Leopard V 10.6.6 on a Mac Book with 4 GB/RAM. For reasons I do not understand, I occasionally lose Voice Over, especially when I am using Mail. Though the problem is not limited to Mail, Voice Over just seems to unload itself, and the only thing I can do is repeatedly hit Command F5 until VO decides to make an appearance. Its disappearance is apparently random, i.e. I can't make it disappear at will. Has anyone else encountered this problem? If not, what might be causing it? Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. My best to all of you, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is the disappearance of Voice Over a unique problem, or do others have it, too?
Hi Mike, I have this problem on my MacBook as well. I find that the easiest way to get VoiceOver restarted is to press control+option+command+f8. This starts the VoiceOver tutorial. As soon as the tutorial starts, press escape and VoiceOver will restart. I hope this problem gets fixed soon. It must be unique to the MacBooks as I cannot produce the problem on my iMac. Robert Carter On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:38 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: Hi everyone, I am using Snow Leopard V 10.6.6 on a Mac Book with 4 GB/RAM. For reasons I do not understand, I occasionally lose Voice Over, especially when I am using Mail. Though the problem is not limited to Mail, Voice Over just seems to unload itself, and the only thing I can do is repeatedly hit Command F5 until VO decides to make an appearance. Its disappearance is apparently random, i.e. I can't make it disappear at will. Has anyone else encountered this problem? If not, what might be causing it? Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. My best to all of you, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is the disappearance of Voice Over a unique problem, or do others have it, too?
Robert, although the problem is annoying, this approach you described might at least be a usable work-around. I will try it the next time Voice Over abandons me. Thank you very much. To all of you who wrote, thank you. Sometimes, the only way to recover has been to just hit the Power key, wait a second or so and then just press Enter. Not an elegant solution, but at least it has worked since Shut Down is the default selection in this dialogue.. I will definitely post a message to the Accessibility Group, apprising them of something they probably already know by now. My best to all and thanks again, Mike On 14,Mar,2011, at 4:50 PM, Robert Carter wrote: Hi Mike, I have this problem on my MacBook as well. I find that the easiest way to get VoiceOver restarted is to press control+option+command+f8. This starts the VoiceOver tutorial. As soon as the tutorial starts, press escape and VoiceOver will restart. I hope this problem gets fixed soon. It must be unique to the MacBooks as I cannot produce the problem on my iMac. Robert Carter On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:38 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: Hi everyone, I am using Snow Leopard V 10.6.6 on a Mac Book with 4 GB/RAM. For reasons I do not understand, I occasionally lose Voice Over, especially when I am using Mail. Though the problem is not limited to Mail, Voice Over just seems to unload itself, and the only thing I can do is repeatedly hit Command F5 until VO decides to make an appearance. Its disappearance is apparently random, i.e. I can't make it disappear at will. Has anyone else encountered this problem? If not, what might be causing it? Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. My best to all of you, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is the disappearance of Voice Over a unique problem, or do others have it, too?
I am not experiencing this on any of the Macs I am using. Two MBPs and an iMac. THis is an interesting problem. On Mar 14, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Robert Carter wrote: Hi Mike, I have this problem on my MacBook as well. I find that the easiest way to get VoiceOver restarted is to press control+option+command+f8. This starts the VoiceOver tutorial. As soon as the tutorial starts, press escape and VoiceOver will restart. I hope this problem gets fixed soon. It must be unique to the MacBooks as I cannot produce the problem on my iMac. Robert Carter On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:38 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: Hi everyone, I am using Snow Leopard V 10.6.6 on a Mac Book with 4 GB/RAM. For reasons I do not understand, I occasionally lose Voice Over, especially when I am using Mail. Though the problem is not limited to Mail, Voice Over just seems to unload itself, and the only thing I can do is repeatedly hit Command F5 until VO decides to make an appearance. Its disappearance is apparently random, i.e. I can't make it disappear at will. Has anyone else encountered this problem? If not, what might be causing it? Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. My best to all of you, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Fwd: Re: Two questions about the accessible Audacity for the Mac
Forgive me if you get a double post from me. I don't think it was sent to this list the first time I sent it. Original Message Subject:Re: Two questions about the accessible Audacity for the Mac Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:51:09 -0400 From: Johchi beefca...@neo.rr.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Hi everyone, Allow me to introduce myself* My name is Johnny Chilelli - and I'm happily new on this nice list and I'm learning a lot from everyone here. I joined this list because I am interested in getting into a Mac book.My PA State agency is purchasing a computer for me and I'm trying to gather a sufficient amount of justification why I would be better off with a Mac book rather then to go with another Windows only based machine. For one thing, I don't know anything about the virtual Windows environment, or just how steep of a learning curve has been your general experiences in learning the Apple way of doing things, but my hope is that you are willing to freely share your experiences with me so that I am able to make an informed, and or intelligent decision.. All I know is that they are looking at purchasing equipment for me to support my piano tuning business as well as my other work at the local PA VA.My justification must be based on Product reliability, ease of use and accessibility of the Mac OS, and needed work related programs such as database, Words, Numbers, emailing and web browsing.I know that there is no great solution to my personal database needs in the Windows environment, but perhaps there is on the Mac?Anyway I'm looking for your input if you will. Just between you and I, I have heard that the Mac is especially well received concerning Musical applications such as is mentioned in this post, Pro Tools.The Mac would add a nice touch to my K2600 workstation and Tascam desk setup. But I digress. Again, that's between you and I because the State will not purchase based on my musical passions alone. So anyway, I don't have a Mac just yet - and I'm waiting for the release of the iPhone 5 before I make my final decision about that.But so far I am liking what I see via the AiPhone list and now here. Now to my question concerning the subject of my initial reply, I'm wondering if it's possible to run a Windows based sequencer program like QWS in the Mac environment. I'm thinking probably not, but that you would have to use it in a virtual Windows environment. Is this correct?Another words, it's my understanding that you are not able to run a Windows based program on a Mac platform? Thanks, Johnny Chilelli Erie, PA On 3/12/2011 6:06 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, I'm not sure if their is more recent accessible version out there. But to select a piece of audio like in the example you gave, you can use the left and right brackets. Press the left bracket at the beginning and the right at the end of the part you want to select. hth Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, AIM: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Mar 12, 2011, at 6:00 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Hi, Let me put this to you frankly, me and Audacity aren't friends at all.:-) I don't at all like the way Audacity works, but since everyone have a personal taste i could always either learn the beast, which i'm about to sorta do or use another program. The thing i wanted to ask here are 2 questions to audacity users out there. Firstly, is there a newer version of the accessible audacity than 1.3.11.0? Secondly, how would you go about to select tiny pieces of sound, maybe from 5 sec to 1 min or something, i mean like a cough you want to edit out or something? Any help would be appreciated. /Krister -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is the disappearance of Voice Over a unique problem, or do others have it, too?
this has been a known problem since the inception of snow leopard. I have seen it on all versions 10.6.x and it hasn't gotten any better with time. it appears that it may be a memory leak or a broken library. in any case, it is annoying as hell. I have sent many notices to accessibility. its gotten bad enough that I may start sending bug reports to steve jobs directly. perhaps he'll give the dev team a swift kick in the pants to make this a priority,. perhaps if more of us would do so, it would garner enough attention that apple Inc. would have to do something about this problem. -Eric On Mar 14, 2011, at 9:46 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: Robert, although the problem is annoying, this approach you described might at least be a usable work-around. I will try it the next time Voice Over abandons me. Thank you very much. To all of you who wrote, thank you. Sometimes, the only way to recover has been to just hit the Power key, wait a second or so and then just press Enter. Not an elegant solution, but at least it has worked since Shut Down is the default selection in this dialogue.. I will definitely post a message to the Accessibility Group, apprising them of something they probably already know by now. My best to all and thanks again, Mike On 14,Mar,2011, at 4:50 PM, Robert Carter wrote: Hi Mike, I have this problem on my MacBook as well. I find that the easiest way to get VoiceOver restarted is to press control+option+command+f8. This starts the VoiceOver tutorial. As soon as the tutorial starts, press escape and VoiceOver will restart. I hope this problem gets fixed soon. It must be unique to the MacBooks as I cannot produce the problem on my iMac. Robert Carter On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:38 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: Hi everyone, I am using Snow Leopard V 10.6.6 on a Mac Book with 4 GB/RAM. For reasons I do not understand, I occasionally lose Voice Over, especially when I am using Mail. Though the problem is not limited to Mail, Voice Over just seems to unload itself, and the only thing I can do is repeatedly hit Command F5 until VO decides to make an appearance. Its disappearance is apparently random, i.e. I can't make it disappear at will. Has anyone else encountered this problem? If not, what might be causing it? Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. My best to all of you, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Suggested checks for using access keys and searching the list archives [was Access keys not working]
Hi Brandon, I'm not seeing this problem of non-working access key shortcut combinations, either in the previous version of Safari or with the newest update (version 5.0.4 released three or four days ago). A few questions about your recent Safari experience: Is it possible that either you or someone else started your current Safari session with VoiceOver turned off? If you quit Safari, and restart it (with VoiceOver turned on), do your access key combinations work? If the last suggestion of quitting Safari and restarting it did not bring back your access key combinations, try going to the web site for the latest nightly build of Webkit at: http://nightly.webkit.org/ Download the version for the Mac, launch it instead of Safari, and check whether your access key combinations work. Which version of Safari are you running? The last release was on March 9, 2011, and was supposed to include improved compatibility with VoiceOver on webpages with text input areas and lists with selectable items, and also add general improved stability with VoiceOver. Over two years ago, the developers or Webkit, which is the underlying engine that Safari and other browsers like Opera use, decided to change the access key for Safari from just the Control key to Control+Option. (The rationale was that some other software applications on the Mac use the Control key for dedicated shortcuts, but that no programs were using the Control+Option key combination. This gives you some insight into both why Apple adopted these two keys as the VoiceOver keys, and the level of visibility that VoiceOver had back in Summer 2008 that the developers weren't aware of the conflict.) When this was pointed out in the bug report feedback, and they were asked to please contact the people on the Apple accessibility team for inputs, they replied, There is no doubt that we need to resolve the conflict with VoiceOver, now that we know about it. The fix that they came up with was to have Webkit, and consequently, Safari, use the Control key as the access key if VoiceOver is turned on when the browser is first launched, but otherwise to use the Control+Option key as the access key combination if VoiceOver is not on when the browser launches. So, if you share use of your machine with a sighted user or users, you should all be aware that the access key combination being used depends on whether VoiceOver was turned on or off at the time the browser was launched. And yes, I do know some people who are not visually impaired who use the access key combinations as shortcuts to navigate the Mail Archive site, which serves as the secondary archive for this list (and many others). It is much, much faster and simpler to use than the Google Groups list archives, and I find it easier to locate items of interest, and that I can also pinpoint the results I want with fewer typed words in about ten times less searching time when I use the Mail Archive (secondary archive) site for this list. You can bookmark the URL for the mail archive site for this list: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/ When you navigate to the text box for searching the archives, just type in your search terms. (I'm currently using VO-Command-J to move to the text box and then VO-Space before I starting typing search terms in Snow Leopard, but there are other options depending on your navigation preferences and version of Mac OS X.) You can use wildcards (like *) in the your search terms, to take into account misspellings and alternate words. You can also use Boolean arguments, search for specific authors of posts, set date range, and sort the order in which results are presented. For example, let's say I remembered there was a discussion about OverDrive downloadable library audiobooks and I wanted to find the posts that Bryan Jones made. I could type: from:Bryan Overdrive and press return to launch the search. If I move to the next heading (VO-Command-H), I'll be told how many matches there are, and if there are too many or too few, I can refine my search by modifying the search words, or I can simply navigate on (VO-Right Arrow) to the results, which will be presented in a fashion like Google search results, with a link that gives the subject line of the post, then a short section of sampled text from the post relating to the search terms, including the date of the post at the beginning, and giving the author of the post (as a linked entry) at the end. You could either browse through the excerpts before deciding whether or not you want to read the detailed post, or you could simply activate the link (VO-Space) and read it. Here's where the access key combinations of the Mail Archive site become really useful: you can use them to quickly read up or down a thread. Control-n (for next) takes you to the next post in a thread, while Control-p (for previous) takes you to the previous post in a thread, so
Re: Is the disappearance of Voice Over a unique problem, or do others have it, too?
Hi Eric, I think you're overstating the case a bit here... Yes, it's annoying, but I haven't found it that annoying. I haven't experienced it as often as others here seem to, and the times I have, a quick command-f5 or two solves it. Yes, let's email accessibility about this, but let's not loose our sense of perspective. It could be much worse, we could be stuck on Windows with a screen reader not built into the OS, which when it freezes requires us to reboot the system completely. I'll stop now. Best, Zack. On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Eric Oyen wrote: this has been a known problem since the inception of snow leopard. I have seen it on all versions 10.6.x and it hasn't gotten any better with time. it appears that it may be a memory leak or a broken library. in any case, it is annoying as hell. I have sent many notices to accessibility. its gotten bad enough that I may start sending bug reports to steve jobs directly. perhaps he'll give the dev team a swift kick in the pants to make this a priority,. perhaps if more of us would do so, it would garner enough attention that apple Inc. would have to do something about this problem. -Eric On Mar 14, 2011, at 9:46 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: Robert, although the problem is annoying, this approach you described might at least be a usable work-around. I will try it the next time Voice Over abandons me. Thank you very much. To all of you who wrote, thank you. Sometimes, the only way to recover has been to just hit the Power key, wait a second or so and then just press Enter. Not an elegant solution, but at least it has worked since Shut Down is the default selection in this dialogue.. I will definitely post a message to the Accessibility Group, apprising them of something they probably already know by now. My best to all and thanks again, Mike On 14,Mar,2011, at 4:50 PM, Robert Carter wrote: Hi Mike, I have this problem on my MacBook as well. I find that the easiest way to get VoiceOver restarted is to press control+option+command+f8. This starts the VoiceOver tutorial. As soon as the tutorial starts, press escape and VoiceOver will restart. I hope this problem gets fixed soon. It must be unique to the MacBooks as I cannot produce the problem on my iMac. Robert Carter On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:38 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: Hi everyone, I am using Snow Leopard V 10.6.6 on a Mac Book with 4 GB/RAM. For reasons I do not understand, I occasionally lose Voice Over, especially when I am using Mail. Though the problem is not limited to Mail, Voice Over just seems to unload itself, and the only thing I can do is repeatedly hit Command F5 until VO decides to make an appearance. Its disappearance is apparently random, i.e. I can't make it disappear at will. Has anyone else encountered this problem? If not, what might be causing it? Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. My best to all of you, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is the disappearance of Voice Over a unique problem, or do others have it, too?
hi Mike it does not happen on my 21 inch i mack. best On 14 Mar 2011, at 15:43, Bryan Jones wrote: Yes, it happens to me on my mac mini, os 10.6.6. Same symptoms you are experiencing. Be sure to send a note with complete details to accessibil...@apple.com Thanks, Bryan On Mar 14, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: Hi everyone, I am using Snow Leopard V 10.6.6 on a Mac Book with 4 GB/RAM. For reasons I do not understand, I occasionally lose Voice Over, especially when I am using Mail. Though the problem is not limited to Mail, Voice Over just seems to unload itself, and the only thing I can do is repeatedly hit Command F5 until VO decides to make an appearance. Its disappearance is apparently random, i.e. I can't make it disappear at will. Has anyone else encountered this problem? If not, what might be causing it? Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. My best to all of you, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is the disappearance of Voice Over a unique problem, or do others have it, too?
Only happens to me two times out of the week. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 14, 2011, at 11:37 AM, joseph joseph.bi...@gmail.com wrote: hi Mike it does not happen on my 21 inch i mack. best On 14 Mar 2011, at 15:43, Bryan Jones wrote: Yes, it happens to me on my mac mini, os 10.6.6. Same symptoms you are experiencing. Be sure to send a note with complete details to accessibil...@apple.com Thanks, Bryan On Mar 14, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: Hi everyone, I am using Snow Leopard V 10.6.6 on a Mac Book with 4 GB/RAM. For reasons I do not understand, I occasionally lose Voice Over, especially when I am using Mail. Though the problem is not limited to Mail, Voice Over just seems to unload itself, and the only thing I can do is repeatedly hit Command F5 until VO decides to make an appearance. Its disappearance is apparently random, i.e. I can't make it disappear at will. Has anyone else encountered this problem? If not, what might be causing it? Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. My best to all of you, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
accessibility of box.net
Hello again listers. Since Dropbox has decided to ignore accessibility, I'm interested in trying box.net. Have any of you tried any of they're services with the mac and or iPhone? If anyone could give me some more info, that'd be great. Thanks. Matthew Campbell. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is the disappearance of Voice Over a unique problem, or do others have it, too?
Hello again everyone, While it is good to know that I'm not the only one experiencing the problem, I wish that there were a way to duplicate it at will. Being able to do so would certainly make it easier for programmers to squish the bug. The problem of lost speech sometimes occurs when I rapidly Command-Tab through running programs, and it also frequently occurs when I rapidly press FN+F1 to quickly get the brightness down to zero which, or so I have heard, is a great way to reduce battery consumption. I, too shall write to the Accessibility group and we'll all have to let the chips fall where they may. Spring is finally coming to Vienna, Austria, and it's about time! Cheers, Mike On 14,Mar,2011, at 6:22 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Eric, I think you're overstating the case a bit here... Yes, it's annoying, but I haven't found it that annoying. I haven't experienced it as often as others here seem to, and the times I have, a quick command-f5 or two solves it. Yes, let's email accessibility about this, but let's not loose our sense of perspective. It could be much worse, we could be stuck on Windows with a screen reader not built into the OS, which when it freezes requires us to reboot the system completely. I'll stop now. Best, Zack. On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Eric Oyen wrote: this has been a known problem since the inception of snow leopard. I have seen it on all versions 10.6.x and it hasn't gotten any better with time. it appears that it may be a memory leak or a broken library. in any case, it is annoying as hell. I have sent many notices to accessibility. its gotten bad enough that I may start sending bug reports to steve jobs directly. perhaps he'll give the dev team a swift kick in the pants to make this a priority,. perhaps if more of us would do so, it would garner enough attention that apple Inc. would have to do something about this problem. -Eric On Mar 14, 2011, at 9:46 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: Robert, although the problem is annoying, this approach you described might at least be a usable work-around. I will try it the next time Voice Over abandons me. Thank you very much. To all of you who wrote, thank you. Sometimes, the only way to recover has been to just hit the Power key, wait a second or so and then just press Enter. Not an elegant solution, but at least it has worked since Shut Down is the default selection in this dialogue.. I will definitely post a message to the Accessibility Group, apprising them of something they probably already know by now. My best to all and thanks again, Mike On 14,Mar,2011, at 4:50 PM, Robert Carter wrote: Hi Mike, I have this problem on my MacBook as well. I find that the easiest way to get VoiceOver restarted is to press control+option+command+f8. This starts the VoiceOver tutorial. As soon as the tutorial starts, press escape and VoiceOver will restart. I hope this problem gets fixed soon. It must be unique to the MacBooks as I cannot produce the problem on my iMac. Robert Carter On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:38 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: Hi everyone, I am using Snow Leopard V 10.6.6 on a Mac Book with 4 GB/RAM. For reasons I do not understand, I occasionally lose Voice Over, especially when I am using Mail. Though the problem is not limited to Mail, Voice Over just seems to unload itself, and the only thing I can do is repeatedly hit Command F5 until VO decides to make an appearance. Its disappearance is apparently random, i.e. I can't make it disappear at will. Has anyone else encountered this problem? If not, what might be causing it? Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. My best to all of you, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to
Re: Is the disappearance of Voice Over a unique problem, or do others have it, too?
Hello Mike. I encounter this same problem virtually every time I use Mail. In fact,, just now, while composing this reply to you, VoiceOver just stopped speaking and I had to issue Command+F5 several times to get it speaking again. VoiceOver also dies when entering information into Forms on the web. Most frustrating, to say the least. Mark On Mar 14, 2011, at 8:38 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: Hi everyone, I am using Snow Leopard V 10.6.6 on a Mac Book with 4 GB/RAM. For reasons I do not understand, I occasionally lose Voice Over, especially when I am using Mail. Though the problem is not limited to Mail, Voice Over just seems to unload itself, and the only thing I can do is repeatedly hit Command F5 until VO decides to make an appearance. Its disappearance is apparently random, i.e. I can't make it disappear at will. Has anyone else encountered this problem? If not, what might be causing it? Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. My best to all of you, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is the disappearance of Voice Over a unique problem, or do others have it, too?
Hi Everybody, This is indeed a strange problem. I haven't had this problem at all. Of course, this doesn't mean that others haven't had it. I hope it can be resolved. Chris On Mar 14, 2011, at 1:22 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Eric, I think you're overstating the case a bit here... Yes, it's annoying, but I haven't found it that annoying. I haven't experienced it as often as others here seem to, and the times I have, a quick command-f5 or two solves it. Yes, let's email accessibility about this, but let's not loose our sense of perspective. It could be much worse, we could be stuck on Windows with a screen reader not built into the OS, which when it freezes requires us to reboot the system completely. I'll stop now. Best, Zack. On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Eric Oyen wrote: this has been a known problem since the inception of snow leopard. I have seen it on all versions 10.6.x and it hasn't gotten any better with time. it appears that it may be a memory leak or a broken library. in any case, it is annoying as hell. I have sent many notices to accessibility. its gotten bad enough that I may start sending bug reports to steve jobs directly. perhaps he'll give the dev team a swift kick in the pants to make this a priority,. perhaps if more of us would do so, it would garner enough attention that apple Inc. would have to do something about this problem. -Eric On Mar 14, 2011, at 9:46 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: Robert, although the problem is annoying, this approach you described might at least be a usable work-around. I will try it the next time Voice Over abandons me. Thank you very much. To all of you who wrote, thank you. Sometimes, the only way to recover has been to just hit the Power key, wait a second or so and then just press Enter. Not an elegant solution, but at least it has worked since Shut Down is the default selection in this dialogue.. I will definitely post a message to the Accessibility Group, apprising them of something they probably already know by now. My best to all and thanks again, Mike On 14,Mar,2011, at 4:50 PM, Robert Carter wrote: Hi Mike, I have this problem on my MacBook as well. I find that the easiest way to get VoiceOver restarted is to press control+option+command+f8. This starts the VoiceOver tutorial. As soon as the tutorial starts, press escape and VoiceOver will restart. I hope this problem gets fixed soon. It must be unique to the MacBooks as I cannot produce the problem on my iMac. Robert Carter On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:38 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: Hi everyone, I am using Snow Leopard V 10.6.6 on a Mac Book with 4 GB/RAM. For reasons I do not understand, I occasionally lose Voice Over, especially when I am using Mail. Though the problem is not limited to Mail, Voice Over just seems to unload itself, and the only thing I can do is repeatedly hit Command F5 until VO decides to make an appearance. Its disappearance is apparently random, i.e. I can't make it disappear at will. Has anyone else encountered this problem? If not, what might be causing it? Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. My best to all of you, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For
Re: Is the disappearance of Voice Over a unique problem, or do others have it, too?
Hi guys: I'm finding this interesting, and surprising. I've been using an 13 inch mbp for over a year, and never had this happen. I have had one thing whereby voiceover says Voiceover on/speech off. But, fixed it by playing the trackpad and mute and unmuting Vo, then doing the command f5 thing. Mike: wonder if your fast typing is just confusing poor Alex?:) Carolyn On Mar 14, 2011, at 12:07 PM, M. Taylor wrote: Hello Mike. I encounter this same problem virtually every time I use Mail. In fact,, just now, while composing this reply to you, VoiceOver just stopped speaking and I had to issue Command+F5 several times to get it speaking again. VoiceOver also dies when entering information into Forms on the web. Most frustrating, to say the least. Mark On Mar 14, 2011, at 8:38 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: Hi everyone, I am using Snow Leopard V 10.6.6 on a Mac Book with 4 GB/RAM. For reasons I do not understand, I occasionally lose Voice Over, especially when I am using Mail. Though the problem is not limited to Mail, Voice Over just seems to unload itself, and the only thing I can do is repeatedly hit Command F5 until VO decides to make an appearance. Its disappearance is apparently random, i.e. I can't make it disappear at will. Has anyone else encountered this problem? If not, what might be causing it? Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. My best to all of you, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Suggested checks for using access keys and searching the list archives [was Access keys not working]
Hi, Thank you. Restarting Safari helped. Brandon On Mar 14, 2011, at 1:10 PM, Esther wrote: Hi Brandon, I'm not seeing this problem of non-working access key shortcut combinations, either in the previous version of Safari or with the newest update (version 5.0.4 released three or four days ago). A few questions about your recent Safari experience: Is it possible that either you or someone else started your current Safari session with VoiceOver turned off? If you quit Safari, and restart it (with VoiceOver turned on), do your access key combinations work? If the last suggestion of quitting Safari and restarting it did not bring back your access key combinations, try going to the web site for the latest nightly build of Webkit at: http://nightly.webkit.org/ Download the version for the Mac, launch it instead of Safari, and check whether your access key combinations work. Which version of Safari are you running? The last release was on March 9, 2011, and was supposed to include improved compatibility with VoiceOver on webpages with text input areas and lists with selectable items, and also add general improved stability with VoiceOver. Over two years ago, the developers or Webkit, which is the underlying engine that Safari and other browsers like Opera use, decided to change the access key for Safari from just the Control key to Control+Option. (The rationale was that some other software applications on the Mac use the Control key for dedicated shortcuts, but that no programs were using the Control+Option key combination. This gives you some insight into both why Apple adopted these two keys as the VoiceOver keys, and the level of visibility that VoiceOver had back in Summer 2008 that the developers weren't aware of the conflict.) When this was pointed out in the bug report feedback, and they were asked to please contact the people on the Apple accessibility team for inputs, they replied, There is no doubt that we need to resolve the conflict with VoiceOver, now that we know about it. The fix that they came up with was to have Webkit, and consequently, Safari, use the Control key as the access key if VoiceOver is turned on when the browser is first launched, but otherwise to use the Control+Option key as the access key combination if VoiceOver is not on when the browser launches. So, if you share use of your machine with a sighted user or users, you should all be aware that the access key combination being used depends on whether VoiceOver was turned on or off at the time the browser was launched. And yes, I do know some people who are not visually impaired who use the access key combinations as shortcuts to navigate the Mail Archive site, which serves as the secondary archive for this list (and many others). It is much, much faster and simpler to use than the Google Groups list archives, and I find it easier to locate items of interest, and that I can also pinpoint the results I want with fewer typed words in about ten times less searching time when I use the Mail Archive (secondary archive) site for this list. You can bookmark the URL for the mail archive site for this list: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/ When you navigate to the text box for searching the archives, just type in your search terms. (I'm currently using VO-Command-J to move to the text box and then VO-Space before I starting typing search terms in Snow Leopard, but there are other options depending on your navigation preferences and version of Mac OS X.) You can use wildcards (like *) in the your search terms, to take into account misspellings and alternate words. You can also use Boolean arguments, search for specific authors of posts, set date range, and sort the order in which results are presented. For example, let's say I remembered there was a discussion about OverDrive downloadable library audiobooks and I wanted to find the posts that Bryan Jones made. I could type: from:Bryan Overdrive and press return to launch the search. If I move to the next heading (VO-Command-H), I'll be told how many matches there are, and if there are too many or too few, I can refine my search by modifying the search words, or I can simply navigate on (VO-Right Arrow) to the results, which will be presented in a fashion like Google search results, with a link that gives the subject line of the post, then a short section of sampled text from the post relating to the search terms, including the date of the post at the beginning, and giving the author of the post (as a linked entry) at the end. You could either browse through the excerpts before deciding whether or not you want to read the detailed post, or you could simply activate the link (VO-Space) and read it. Here's where the access key combinations of the Mail Archive site become really useful: you can use them to
Re: Is the disappearance of Voice Over a unique problem, or do others have it, too?
Same thing happing here. Four presses of command F5 fixs the trouble. On Mar 14, 2011, at 11:23 AM, carolyn Haas wrote: Hi guys: I'm finding this interesting, and surprising. I've been using an 13 inch mbp for over a year, and never had this happen. I have had one thing whereby voiceover says Voiceover on/speech off. But, fixed it by playing the trackpad and mute and unmuting Vo, then doing the command f5 thing. Mike: wonder if your fast typing is just confusing poor Alex?:) Carolyn On Mar 14, 2011, at 12:07 PM, M. Taylor wrote: Hello Mike. I encounter this same problem virtually every time I use Mail. In fact,, just now, while composing this reply to you, VoiceOver just stopped speaking and I had to issue Command+F5 several times to get it speaking again. VoiceOver also dies when entering information into Forms on the web. Most frustrating, to say the least. Mark On Mar 14, 2011, at 8:38 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: Hi everyone, I am using Snow Leopard V 10.6.6 on a Mac Book with 4 GB/RAM. For reasons I do not understand, I occasionally lose Voice Over, especially when I am using Mail. Though the problem is not limited to Mail, Voice Over just seems to unload itself, and the only thing I can do is repeatedly hit Command F5 until VO decides to make an appearance. Its disappearance is apparently random, i.e. I can't make it disappear at will. Has anyone else encountered this problem? If not, what might be causing it? Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. My best to all of you, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. louie louiem...@wavecable.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is the disappearance of Voice Over a unique problem, or do others have it, too?
zack, I am definitely NOT overstating the problem here. I get random failures, and not just in mail either. It happens so often that I am seriously considering dumping OS X and installing VINUX. This problem has been occurring with such frequency that I might as well keep my machine off then use it (more than 20 times a day). I use this machine as often as I do because I simply don't have a windows machine and my powerbook is linux only now (no voiceover support for 10.3.9). so, I am left with a choice of having to dump an OS I paid for on a $800 machine and do without some of the tools I use daily or spend another $1,500 to $2,000 for a fully outfitted windows machine with JAWS. since I don't have the money, I don't see a lot of choices. -Eric On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:22 AM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Eric, I think you're overstating the case a bit here... Yes, it's annoying, but I haven't found it that annoying. I haven't experienced it as often as others here seem to, and the times I have, a quick command-f5 or two solves it. Yes, let's email accessibility about this, but let's not loose our sense of perspective. It could be much worse, we could be stuck on Windows with a screen reader not built into the OS, which when it freezes requires us to reboot the system completely. I'll stop now. Best, Zack. On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Eric Oyen wrote: this has been a known problem since the inception of snow leopard. I have seen it on all versions 10.6.x and it hasn't gotten any better with time. it appears that it may be a memory leak or a broken library. in any case, it is annoying as hell. I have sent many notices to accessibility. its gotten bad enough that I may start sending bug reports to steve jobs directly. perhaps he'll give the dev team a swift kick in the pants to make this a priority,. perhaps if more of us would do so, it would garner enough attention that apple Inc. would have to do something about this problem. -Eric On Mar 14, 2011, at 9:46 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: Robert, although the problem is annoying, this approach you described might at least be a usable work-around. I will try it the next time Voice Over abandons me. Thank you very much. To all of you who wrote, thank you. Sometimes, the only way to recover has been to just hit the Power key, wait a second or so and then just press Enter. Not an elegant solution, but at least it has worked since Shut Down is the default selection in this dialogue.. I will definitely post a message to the Accessibility Group, apprising them of something they probably already know by now. My best to all and thanks again, Mike On 14,Mar,2011, at 4:50 PM, Robert Carter wrote: Hi Mike, I have this problem on my MacBook as well. I find that the easiest way to get VoiceOver restarted is to press control+option+command+f8. This starts the VoiceOver tutorial. As soon as the tutorial starts, press escape and VoiceOver will restart. I hope this problem gets fixed soon. It must be unique to the MacBooks as I cannot produce the problem on my iMac. Robert Carter On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:38 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: Hi everyone, I am using Snow Leopard V 10.6.6 on a Mac Book with 4 GB/RAM. For reasons I do not understand, I occasionally lose Voice Over, especially when I am using Mail. Though the problem is not limited to Mail, Voice Over just seems to unload itself, and the only thing I can do is repeatedly hit Command F5 until VO decides to make an appearance. Its disappearance is apparently random, i.e. I can't make it disappear at will. Has anyone else encountered this problem? If not, what might be causing it? Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. My best to all of you, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are
Re: Is the disappearance of Voice Over a unique problem, or do others have it, too?
Hi Eric Have you tried some of the general maintenance things such as utilities first aid, verifying and repairing permissions, or doing any re-installs? It would seem to me that if this problem is occurring that often, you could get it to reproduce for one of the geniuses at your Apple store and seek some resolution. If you are running windows on this machine, is it possible that there is a conflict caused by the two systems clashing? Just a couple of my thoughts. Carolyn HOn Mar 14, 2011, at 12:43 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: zack, I am definitely NOT overstating the problem here. I get random failures, and not just in mail either. It happens so often that I am seriously considering dumping OS X and installing VINUX. This problem has been occurring with such frequency that I might as well keep my machine off then use it (more than 20 times a day). I use this machine as often as I do because I simply don't have a windows machine and my powerbook is linux only now (no voiceover support for 10.3.9). so, I am left with a choice of having to dump an OS I paid for on a $800 machine and do without some of the tools I use daily or spend another $1,500 to $2,000 for a fully outfitted windows machine with JAWS. since I don't have the money, I don't see a lot of choices. -Eric On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:22 AM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Eric, I think you're overstating the case a bit here... Yes, it's annoying, but I haven't found it that annoying. I haven't experienced it as often as others here seem to, and the times I have, a quick command-f5 or two solves it. Yes, let's email accessibility about this, but let's not loose our sense of perspective. It could be much worse, we could be stuck on Windows with a screen reader not built into the OS, which when it freezes requires us to reboot the system completely. I'll stop now. Best, Zack. On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Eric Oyen wrote: this has been a known problem since the inception of snow leopard. I have seen it on all versions 10.6.x and it hasn't gotten any better with time. it appears that it may be a memory leak or a broken library. in any case, it is annoying as hell. I have sent many notices to accessibility. its gotten bad enough that I may start sending bug reports to steve jobs directly. perhaps he'll give the dev team a swift kick in the pants to make this a priority,. perhaps if more of us would do so, it would garner enough attention that apple Inc. would have to do something about this problem. -Eric On Mar 14, 2011, at 9:46 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: Robert, although the problem is annoying, this approach you described might at least be a usable work-around. I will try it the next time Voice Over abandons me. Thank you very much. To all of you who wrote, thank you. Sometimes, the only way to recover has been to just hit the Power key, wait a second or so and then just press Enter. Not an elegant solution, but at least it has worked since Shut Down is the default selection in this dialogue.. I will definitely post a message to the Accessibility Group, apprising them of something they probably already know by now. My best to all and thanks again, Mike On 14,Mar,2011, at 4:50 PM, Robert Carter wrote: Hi Mike, I have this problem on my MacBook as well. I find that the easiest way to get VoiceOver restarted is to press control+option+command+f8. This starts the VoiceOver tutorial. As soon as the tutorial starts, press escape and VoiceOver will restart. I hope this problem gets fixed soon. It must be unique to the MacBooks as I cannot produce the problem on my iMac. Robert Carter On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:38 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: Hi everyone, I am using Snow Leopard V 10.6.6 on a Mac Book with 4 GB/RAM. For reasons I do not understand, I occasionally lose Voice Over, especially when I am using Mail. Though the problem is not limited to Mail, Voice Over just seems to unload itself, and the only thing I can do is repeatedly hit Command F5 until VO decides to make an appearance. Its disappearance is apparently random, i.e. I can't make it disappear at will. Has anyone else encountered this problem? If not, what might be causing it? Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. My best to all of you, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
Re: Is the disappearance of Voice Over a unique problem, or do others have it, too?
Yup, Spot on Mark. I also encounter this when navigating quickly through files and folders in the finder. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, AIM: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Mar 14, 2011, at 2:07 PM, M. Taylor wrote: Hello Mike. I encounter this same problem virtually every time I use Mail. In fact,, just now, while composing this reply to you, VoiceOver just stopped speaking and I had to issue Command+F5 several times to get it speaking again. VoiceOver also dies when entering information into Forms on the web. Most frustrating, to say the least. Mark On Mar 14, 2011, at 8:38 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: Hi everyone, I am using Snow Leopard V 10.6.6 on a Mac Book with 4 GB/RAM. For reasons I do not understand, I occasionally lose Voice Over, especially when I am using Mail. Though the problem is not limited to Mail, Voice Over just seems to unload itself, and the only thing I can do is repeatedly hit Command F5 until VO decides to make an appearance. Its disappearance is apparently random, i.e. I can't make it disappear at will. Has anyone else encountered this problem? If not, what might be causing it? Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. My best to all of you, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is the disappearance of Voice Over a unique problem, or do others have it, too?
Also, another amazing utility is called onyx. It'll do everything accept clean my house and do the laundry. Lol. Just do a google search for onyx. On 2011-03-14, at 2:54 PM, carolyn Haas wrote: Hi Eric Have you tried some of the general maintenance things such as utilities first aid, verifying and repairing permissions, or doing any re-installs? It would seem to me that if this problem is occurring that often, you could get it to reproduce for one of the geniuses at your Apple store and seek some resolution. If you are running windows on this machine, is it possible that there is a conflict caused by the two systems clashing? Just a couple of my thoughts. Carolyn HOn Mar 14, 2011, at 12:43 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: zack, I am definitely NOT overstating the problem here. I get random failures, and not just in mail either. It happens so often that I am seriously considering dumping OS X and installing VINUX. This problem has been occurring with such frequency that I might as well keep my machine off then use it (more than 20 times a day). I use this machine as often as I do because I simply don't have a windows machine and my powerbook is linux only now (no voiceover support for 10.3.9). so, I am left with a choice of having to dump an OS I paid for on a $800 machine and do without some of the tools I use daily or spend another $1,500 to $2,000 for a fully outfitted windows machine with JAWS. since I don't have the money, I don't see a lot of choices. -Eric On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:22 AM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Eric, I think you're overstating the case a bit here... Yes, it's annoying, but I haven't found it that annoying. I haven't experienced it as often as others here seem to, and the times I have, a quick command-f5 or two solves it. Yes, let's email accessibility about this, but let's not loose our sense of perspective. It could be much worse, we could be stuck on Windows with a screen reader not built into the OS, which when it freezes requires us to reboot the system completely. I'll stop now. Best, Zack. On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Eric Oyen wrote: this has been a known problem since the inception of snow leopard. I have seen it on all versions 10.6.x and it hasn't gotten any better with time. it appears that it may be a memory leak or a broken library. in any case, it is annoying as hell. I have sent many notices to accessibility. its gotten bad enough that I may start sending bug reports to steve jobs directly. perhaps he'll give the dev team a swift kick in the pants to make this a priority,. perhaps if more of us would do so, it would garner enough attention that apple Inc. would have to do something about this problem. -Eric On Mar 14, 2011, at 9:46 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: Robert, although the problem is annoying, this approach you described might at least be a usable work-around. I will try it the next time Voice Over abandons me. Thank you very much. To all of you who wrote, thank you. Sometimes, the only way to recover has been to just hit the Power key, wait a second or so and then just press Enter. Not an elegant solution, but at least it has worked since Shut Down is the default selection in this dialogue.. I will definitely post a message to the Accessibility Group, apprising them of something they probably already know by now. My best to all and thanks again, Mike On 14,Mar,2011, at 4:50 PM, Robert Carter wrote: Hi Mike, I have this problem on my MacBook as well. I find that the easiest way to get VoiceOver restarted is to press control+option+command+f8. This starts the VoiceOver tutorial. As soon as the tutorial starts, press escape and VoiceOver will restart. I hope this problem gets fixed soon. It must be unique to the MacBooks as I cannot produce the problem on my iMac. Robert Carter On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:38 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: Hi everyone, I am using Snow Leopard V 10.6.6 on a Mac Book with 4 GB/RAM. For reasons I do not understand, I occasionally lose Voice Over, especially when I am using Mail. Though the problem is not limited to Mail, Voice Over just seems to unload itself, and the only thing I can do is repeatedly hit Command F5 until VO decides to make an appearance. Its disappearance is apparently random, i.e. I can't make it disappear at will. Has anyone else encountered this problem? If not, what might be causing it? Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. My best to all of you, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this
Re: Is the disappearance of Voice Over a unique problem, or do others have it, too?
Hello Carolyn, Alas, were I a fast typist (and truthfully, I'm average, I guess) your question would be right on target. Unfortunately, on a couple of instances, VO has simply stopped talking when just reading a mail aloud. VO most frequently dies when I am typing in the mail program, though it has also bid me adieu while in Text Edit, too. Gee, does VO go on strike because I'm boring? :) Good night to all, Mike cause me to On 14,Mar,2011, at 7:23 PM, carolyn Haas wrote: Hi guys: I'm finding this interesting, and surprising. I've been using an 13 inch mbp for over a year, and never had this happen. I have had one thing whereby voiceover says Voiceover on/speech off. But, fixed it by playing the trackpad and mute and unmuting Vo, then doing the command f5 thing. Mike: wonder if your fast typing is just confusing poor Alex?:) Carolyn On Mar 14, 2011, at 12:07 PM, M. Taylor wrote: Hello Mike. I encounter this same problem virtually every time I use Mail. In fact,, just now, while composing this reply to you, VoiceOver just stopped speaking and I had to issue Command+F5 several times to get it speaking again. VoiceOver also dies when entering information into Forms on the web. Most frustrating, to say the least. Mark On Mar 14, 2011, at 8:38 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: Hi everyone, I am using Snow Leopard V 10.6.6 on a Mac Book with 4 GB/RAM. For reasons I do not understand, I occasionally lose Voice Over, especially when I am using Mail. Though the problem is not limited to Mail, Voice Over just seems to unload itself, and the only thing I can do is repeatedly hit Command F5 until VO decides to make an appearance. Its disappearance is apparently random, i.e. I can't make it disappear at will. Has anyone else encountered this problem? If not, what might be causing it? Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. My best to all of you, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is the disappearance of Voice Over a unique problem, or do others have it, too?
Mark and Ricardo, sometimes, I have to keep hitting the Command F5 combo for two or three minutes before VO kicks in. While I truly sympathize with everyone who regularly encounters this problem, I also take a little bit of comfort in the fact that (1) I'm not doing anything wrong and (2) misery keeps company. Mike On 14,Mar,2011, at 8:08 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Yup, Spot on Mark. I also encounter this when navigating quickly through files and folders in the finder. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, AIM: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Mar 14, 2011, at 2:07 PM, M. Taylor wrote: Hello Mike. I encounter this same problem virtually every time I use Mail. In fact,, just now, while composing this reply to you, VoiceOver just stopped speaking and I had to issue Command+F5 several times to get it speaking again. VoiceOver also dies when entering information into Forms on the web. Most frustrating, to say the least. Mark On Mar 14, 2011, at 8:38 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: Hi everyone, I am using Snow Leopard V 10.6.6 on a Mac Book with 4 GB/RAM. For reasons I do not understand, I occasionally lose Voice Over, especially when I am using Mail. Though the problem is not limited to Mail, Voice Over just seems to unload itself, and the only thing I can do is repeatedly hit Command F5 until VO decides to make an appearance. Its disappearance is apparently random, i.e. I can't make it disappear at will. Has anyone else encountered this problem? If not, what might be causing it? Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. My best to all of you, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is the disappearance of Voice Over a unique problem, or do others have it, too?
Like others I cannot reproduce the problem. Some times it happens every couple minutes, or I can go a day with only one or two occurrences. Since I recently reformatted my partition and reinstalled snowLeopard, I doubt that repairing permissions would have any affect. I don't recall this being an issue until installing 10.6.5,. For me the latest update made it much worse and rendered browsing in Safari virtually impossible in many instances. Best regards. Geoff On Mar 14, 2011, at 3:15 PM, Michael Busboom wrote: Mark and Ricardo, sometimes, I have to keep hitting the Command F5 combo for two or three minutes before VO kicks in. While I truly sympathize with everyone who regularly encounters this problem, I also take a little bit of comfort in the fact that (1) I'm not doing anything wrong and (2) misery keeps company. Mike On 14,Mar,2011, at 8:08 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Yup, Spot on Mark. I also encounter this when navigating quickly through files and folders in the finder. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, AIM: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Mar 14, 2011, at 2:07 PM, M. Taylor wrote: Hello Mike. I encounter this same problem virtually every time I use Mail. In fact,, just now, while composing this reply to you, VoiceOver just stopped speaking and I had to issue Command+F5 several times to get it speaking again. VoiceOver also dies when entering information into Forms on the web. Most frustrating, to say the least. Mark On Mar 14, 2011, at 8:38 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: Hi everyone, I am using Snow Leopard V 10.6.6 on a Mac Book with 4 GB/RAM. For reasons I do not understand, I occasionally lose Voice Over, especially when I am using Mail. Though the problem is not limited to Mail, Voice Over just seems to unload itself, and the only thing I can do is repeatedly hit Command F5 until VO decides to make an appearance. Its disappearance is apparently random, i.e. I can't make it disappear at will. Has anyone else encountered this problem? If not, what might be causing it? Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. My best to all of you, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is the disappearance of Voice Over a unique problem, or do others have it, too?
Hi Jeff, It's interesting you mention Safari. I don't run into this exact problem often while using it, but occasionally I do have instances where VO will suddenly restart itself for no apparent reason. This isn't something I can reliably reproduce either, nor does it happen often enough to be crippling. I wonder if the two issues are related somehow? Best, Zack. On Mar 14, 2011, at 12:39 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: Like others I cannot reproduce the problem. Some times it happens every couple minutes, or I can go a day with only one or two occurrences. Since I recently reformatted my partition and reinstalled snowLeopard, I doubt that repairing permissions would have any affect. I don't recall this being an issue until installing 10.6.5,. For me the latest update made it much worse and rendered browsing in Safari virtually impossible in many instances. Best regards. Geoff On Mar 14, 2011, at 3:15 PM, Michael Busboom wrote: Mark and Ricardo, sometimes, I have to keep hitting the Command F5 combo for two or three minutes before VO kicks in. While I truly sympathize with everyone who regularly encounters this problem, I also take a little bit of comfort in the fact that (1) I'm not doing anything wrong and (2) misery keeps company. Mike On 14,Mar,2011, at 8:08 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Yup, Spot on Mark. I also encounter this when navigating quickly through files and folders in the finder. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, AIM: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Mar 14, 2011, at 2:07 PM, M. Taylor wrote: Hello Mike. I encounter this same problem virtually every time I use Mail. In fact,, just now, while composing this reply to you, VoiceOver just stopped speaking and I had to issue Command+F5 several times to get it speaking again. VoiceOver also dies when entering information into Forms on the web. Most frustrating, to say the least. Mark On Mar 14, 2011, at 8:38 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: Hi everyone, I am using Snow Leopard V 10.6.6 on a Mac Book with 4 GB/RAM. For reasons I do not understand, I occasionally lose Voice Over, especially when I am using Mail. Though the problem is not limited to Mail, Voice Over just seems to unload itself, and the only thing I can do is repeatedly hit Command F5 until VO decides to make an appearance. Its disappearance is apparently random, i.e. I can't make it disappear at will. Has anyone else encountered this problem? If not, what might be causing it? Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. My best to all of you, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Is CopyPaste Pro 3.0 accessible?
The subject says it all. Macupdate has CopyPaste Pro 3.0 on sale. I used a Windows counterpart called Clipmate for years and found it indispensable. I'll probably try this app unless someone already has and advises that it doesn't play nice with voiceOver. Best regards. Geoff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is the disappearance of Voice Over a unique problem, or do others have it, too?
Hi Mike: Are you running windows along side snowleopard? Are you telling too many corny jokes?:) Ok, not called for.! I wonder if the usual first aid utility stuff could help, or the Onyx utility app Matthew suggested? I know nothing about Onyx. But perhaps I should apply for that housecleaning/laundry job?:) Then no one would have to tolerate my slightlydry sense of humor.:) Take care Carolyn On Mar 14, 2011, at 1:08 PM, Michael Busboom wrote: Hello Carolyn, Alas, were I a fast typist (and truthfully, I'm average, I guess) your question would be right on target. Unfortunately, on a couple of instances, VO has simply stopped talking when just reading a mail aloud. VO most frequently dies when I am typing in the mail program, though it has also bid me adieu while in Text Edit, too. Gee, does VO go on strike because I'm boring? :) Good night to all, Mike cause me to On 14,Mar,2011, at 7:23 PM, carolyn Haas wrote: Hi guys: I'm finding this interesting, and surprising. I've been using an 13 inch mbp for over a year, and never had this happen. I have had one thing whereby voiceover says Voiceover on/speech off. But, fixed it by playing the trackpad and mute and unmuting Vo, then doing the command f5 thing. Mike: wonder if your fast typing is just confusing poor Alex?:) Carolyn On Mar 14, 2011, at 12:07 PM, M. Taylor wrote: Hello Mike. I encounter this same problem virtually every time I use Mail. In fact,, just now, while composing this reply to you, VoiceOver just stopped speaking and I had to issue Command+F5 several times to get it speaking again. VoiceOver also dies when entering information into Forms on the web. Most frustrating, to say the least. Mark On Mar 14, 2011, at 8:38 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: Hi everyone, I am using Snow Leopard V 10.6.6 on a Mac Book with 4 GB/RAM. For reasons I do not understand, I occasionally lose Voice Over, especially when I am using Mail. Though the problem is not limited to Mail, Voice Over just seems to unload itself, and the only thing I can do is repeatedly hit Command F5 until VO decides to make an appearance. Its disappearance is apparently random, i.e. I can't make it disappear at will. Has anyone else encountered this problem? If not, what might be causing it? Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. My best to all of you, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Apple script for battery status
Hi, a few weeks ago someone posted an apple script to get the current battery status of a MacBook. Unfortunately I didn't save that helpful script. Could anyone please post it again. Would be really great. :) Thanks and best regards Jürgen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: apple mail and voice over issue
On 3/14/2011 9:01 AM, Denise Avant wrote: hi, you were right on target. thanks. i don't know how i did it or when. well i guess i know how just the when part. On Mar 14, 2011, at 6:34 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, It sounds to me like you've accidentally turned quick nav on. You can toggle it on and off by pressing the left and right arrow keys at the same time. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, AIM: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Mar 13, 2011, at 11:56 PM, Denise Avant wrote: hi all, i must have accidently changed my setting in mail because i cannot get voiceover to read properly. for example, if i am on a message, and arrow up to see the next message, instead of saying that message, vo will say i'm on the inbox, and tell me how many messages. this is the best way i can describe it. i have tried restarting my computer but the issue continues. any ideas? thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Hi, What's Quick nav and does it work with VO? Johnny -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is the disappearance of Voice Over a unique problem, or do others have it, too?
the problems appear at random but with increasing frequency. I'd take a trip to my local apple store, but its like 40 miles across town and I don't venture out much during the day (my eyes hurt too damned much). I have run all the maintenance tools here. so far, nothing is detected as being wrong. in fact, VO just dropped out on me while typing the last sentence. I don't have any concurrent systems running here. I don't even own a copy of windows. right now, re-installing would be a major PITA. I have too much work on my drive and no place to back it up to. -Eric On Mar 14, 2011, at 11:54 AM, carolyn Haas wrote: Hi Eric Have you tried some of the general maintenance things such as utilities first aid, verifying and repairing permissions, or doing any re-installs? It would seem to me that if this problem is occurring that often, you could get it to reproduce for one of the geniuses at your Apple store and seek some resolution. If you are running windows on this machine, is it possible that there is a conflict caused by the two systems clashing? Just a couple of my thoughts. Carolyn HOn Mar 14, 2011, at 12:43 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: zack, I am definitely NOT overstating the problem here. I get random failures, and not just in mail either. It happens so often that I am seriously considering dumping OS X and installing VINUX. This problem has been occurring with such frequency that I might as well keep my machine off then use it (more than 20 times a day). I use this machine as often as I do because I simply don't have a windows machine and my powerbook is linux only now (no voiceover support for 10.3.9). so, I am left with a choice of having to dump an OS I paid for on a $800 machine and do without some of the tools I use daily or spend another $1,500 to $2,000 for a fully outfitted windows machine with JAWS. since I don't have the money, I don't see a lot of choices. -Eric On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:22 AM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Eric, I think you're overstating the case a bit here... Yes, it's annoying, but I haven't found it that annoying. I haven't experienced it as often as others here seem to, and the times I have, a quick command-f5 or two solves it. Yes, let's email accessibility about this, but let's not loose our sense of perspective. It could be much worse, we could be stuck on Windows with a screen reader not built into the OS, which when it freezes requires us to reboot the system completely. I'll stop now. Best, Zack. On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Eric Oyen wrote: this has been a known problem since the inception of snow leopard. I have seen it on all versions 10.6.x and it hasn't gotten any better with time. it appears that it may be a memory leak or a broken library. in any case, it is annoying as hell. I have sent many notices to accessibility. its gotten bad enough that I may start sending bug reports to steve jobs directly. perhaps he'll give the dev team a swift kick in the pants to make this a priority,. perhaps if more of us would do so, it would garner enough attention that apple Inc. would have to do something about this problem. -Eric On Mar 14, 2011, at 9:46 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: Robert, although the problem is annoying, this approach you described might at least be a usable work-around. I will try it the next time Voice Over abandons me. Thank you very much. To all of you who wrote, thank you. Sometimes, the only way to recover has been to just hit the Power key, wait a second or so and then just press Enter. Not an elegant solution, but at least it has worked since Shut Down is the default selection in this dialogue.. I will definitely post a message to the Accessibility Group, apprising them of something they probably already know by now. My best to all and thanks again, Mike On 14,Mar,2011, at 4:50 PM, Robert Carter wrote: Hi Mike, I have this problem on my MacBook as well. I find that the easiest way to get VoiceOver restarted is to press control+option+command+f8. This starts the VoiceOver tutorial. As soon as the tutorial starts, press escape and VoiceOver will restart. I hope this problem gets fixed soon. It must be unique to the MacBooks as I cannot produce the problem on my iMac. Robert Carter On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:38 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: Hi everyone, I am using Snow Leopard V 10.6.6 on a Mac Book with 4 GB/RAM. For reasons I do not understand, I occasionally lose Voice Over, especially when I am using Mail. Though the problem is not limited to Mail, Voice Over just seems to unload itself, and the only thing I can do is repeatedly hit Command F5 until VO decides to make an appearance. Its disappearance is apparently random, i.e. I can't make it disappear at will. Has anyone else encountered this problem? If not, what might be causing it? Any and all suggestions would be
RE: seriously ridiculous facebook problem
Hi Yuma, I had this problem when I tried to log in to my account owhen I was traveling overseas. The photo jeopardy thing is absolutely impossible for a blind guy -- heck, it's practically impossible for a totally sighted person for all the reasons you described. It seems to me there was another option, though -- something like a series of questions you would be asked, which weren't easy, but I seem to recall working through it on another overseas trip. Brian M -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Yuma Decaux Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 9:12 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: seriously ridiculous facebook problem Hi list, I recently decided to give facebook a little chance as i have loads of photo tags, messages and friend requests. Upon logging in, i get a roadblock message with facebook telling me there's unusual activity on my account, and to start revising the activities. So of course, i go through the usual verification code with an audio kaptcha which is never a happy moment, then lo and behold, i have to figure out who is on 5 different completely inaccessible photos. As if photos were accessible anyway. SO i ask someone to help me out, painstakingly, then after having probably, i say probably, guessed each person right, we submit our pictionary answers. Facebook being as secure and safe as it is, we took too long to answer. SO back to drawing board, and well, if you have over 200 friends and all of them are travelling all over the place, some photos being just a hand scribbling on a piece of paper or the person in the frame being no bigger than a dot on a landscape, how the hell a blind person is supposed to go through this verification process? To top it off, if there are kaptchas specifically made for the blind, then how on earth did facebook's security team not consider it for the photo jeopardy? Has anyone gotten this eventful problem or am i just soem old school communicator who spent a bit too long out of facebook's social phenomenon and therefore need to slap myself in the face for not booking some time checking if someone has farted on his page or not? Any advise or help greatly appreciated, as i just ate a sandwich and need to report it on my facebook page. Yuma -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: apple mail and voice over issue
Hi Johchi! Quick nav means you can just use the arrows to nav! to switch it on just press left and right arrows at the same time! vo will say quick nav on or off! So when it is on you will not have to hold vo keys and just press up down and so on to nav you can also select with up and down arrows at the same time! interact with down and right! stop interacting left and down! On the web it is also the rota! So left and up will change from say headings to tables or something and up and right will go the other way to say links and so on! So you pick headings and you will down arrow through headings and if links then links funny enough! :] And if you have not already guessed yes it works with vo! Turn it on and have a play! If you do not like it at first just turn it off! Colin Qapla! Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak On 14 Mar 2011, at 22:21, Johchi wrote: On 3/14/2011 9:01 AM, Denise Avant wrote: hi, you were right on target. thanks. i don't know how i did it or when. well i guess i know how just the when part. On Mar 14, 2011, at 6:34 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, It sounds to me like you've accidentally turned quick nav on. You can toggle it on and off by pressing the left and right arrow keys at the same time. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, AIM: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Mar 13, 2011, at 11:56 PM, Denise Avant wrote: hi all, i must have accidentally changed my setting in mail because i cannot get voiceover to read properly. for example, if i am on a message, and arrow up to see the next message, instead of saying that message, vo will say i'm on the inbox, and tell me how many messages. this is the best way i can describe it. i have tried restarting my computer but the issue continues. any ideas? thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Hi, What's Quick nav and does it work with VO? Johnny -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Make a portuguese epub with Pages
Hello Anne, I did all your suggested steps. They seems me very logic. In iPhone when I enter in the shelf for the first time, VO announced the title of the document that I made again to test correctly in Portuguese. When I enter in the document, VO start to speak in English. When I return to the shelf again, this document in particular became also to be read in English. Maybe something is wrong when we convert the pages format to epub. Thanks, --Jorge On Mar 13, 2:04 pm, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote: Hello Jorge, To ensure that your document is marked as being in Portuguese, do the following in Pages: • Select All (Cmd-A); • Open the Inspector (Cmd-Option-I); • Select the Text radio button; • Select the More tab; • Go to Last visible item (VO-End); • Navigate left until you find the popup button for language selection and select Portuguese. This should solve your problem. Cheers, Anne On 13 Mar 2011, at 13:42, Jorge Fernandes (SIDAR) wrote: Hello, I made a simple document - 1 page just to test it - in Pages wrote in Portuguese. I select all the paragraphs and inform that all of them were in portuguese. Then I exported it to ePub format and put it in my iPhone 3GS. I'm trying to read it in iBooks but VoiceOver insist to read it with English voice. VoiceOver announced the document in the shelf and read the content of it in English. By default my VoiceOver is in Portuguese. The others portuguese books I bought in iBookstore are correctly reading. Seems me that I need to put something in the document to say that it is in portuguese, but I don't know what and where I could control it? Anyone already passed for this? Thanks, --Jorge Fernandes ++início do rodapé ⠨⠚⠕⠗⠛⠑ ⠨⠋⠑⠗⠝⠁⠝⠙⠑⠎ | jorg...@netcabo.pt UniversalAccess.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: The official twitter app not accessible. Is it just my mac?
Matthew, You are not aloan in this one. I tried this a few weeks ago and like you found it to be totaly unaccessible. I was going to write to the devekluper, but didn't have a way to contact them about it. Matthew On Mar 14, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Matthew Campbell wrote: Hello mac users. I just installed the free twitter app from the mac app store. WHen I opened it, I wasn't able to navigate through the interface at all. Am I doing something wrong? I didn't see and accessibility preference or a way to change the interface at all. If this app isn't accessible I'll write to twitter to see if there is something that can be done seeing as the iPhone twitter app is one of my favourite apps and one of the most accessible apps I've used in a while. Thanks all. Matthew Campbell. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Quick nav idea! :]
Hi all! So I quite like quick nav and was wondering if people think this might be a good idea! [or not] Using q. nav in mail [ for example] I can get to which mail box I want then interact with the messages, then just open with enter and delete with just one hand! but if I want to keep the message I must use command+w! So I was thinking to open use left, up and right arrows at the same time and to close left, down and right! This also leaves the key combinations left,up and down. And the keys up,down and right for other uses! [ suggestions anybody] These key strokes could be given other options in web mode! So is it a bad idea or not! And are people worried that it might be to tricky on the fingers! Any thoughts! :] Colin Qapla! Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Make a portuguese epub with Pages
Hello Jorge, I'm sorry it didn't work. You'll just have to select the Portuguese voice on your iPhone rather than the default voice. A nuisance, I agree, but at least it makes the document readable. Cheers, Anne On 15 Mar 2011, at 00:36, Jorge Fernandes wrote: Hello Anne, I did all your suggested steps. They seems me very logic. In iPhone when I enter in the shelf for the first time, VO announced the title of the document that I made again to test correctly in Portuguese. When I enter in the document, VO start to speak in English. When I return to the shelf again, this document in particular became also to be read in English. Maybe something is wrong when we convert the pages format to epub. Thanks, --Jorge On Mar 13, 2:04 pm, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote: Hello Jorge, To ensure that your document is marked as being in Portuguese, do the following in Pages: • Select All (Cmd-A); • Open the Inspector (Cmd-Option-I); • Select the Text radio button; • Select the More tab; • Go to Last visible item (VO-End); • Navigate left until you find the popup button for language selection and select Portuguese. This should solve your problem. Cheers, Anne On 13 Mar 2011, at 13:42, Jorge Fernandes (SIDAR) wrote: Hello, I made a simple document - 1 page just to test it - in Pages wrote in Portuguese. I select all the paragraphs and inform that all of them were in portuguese. Then I exported it to ePub format and put it in my iPhone 3GS. I'm trying to read it in iBooks but VoiceOver insist to read it with English voice. VoiceOver announced the document in the shelf and read the content of it in English. By default my VoiceOver is in Portuguese. The others portuguese books I bought in iBookstore are correctly reading. Seems me that I need to put something in the document to say that it is in portuguese, but I don't know what and where I could control it? Anyone already passed for this? Thanks, --Jorge Fernandes ++início do rodapé ⠨⠚⠕⠗⠛⠑ ⠨⠋⠑⠗⠝⠁⠝⠙⠑⠎ | jorg...@netcabo.pt UniversalAccess.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: interesting issue reading the time and date
Hi Esther, Thanks for this. It was the allow scripts checkbox that was missing. Much appreciated. Erik Burggraaf User support consultant, Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf, 1-888-255-5194 http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2011-03-13, at 9:32 PM, Esther wrote: Hi Erik, What happens when you go to the Speech menu of Systems Preferences, set the System Voice on the Text to Speech tab to whatever voice is being used to announce the time and date, and then interact with and adjust the slider so that you reset the speech rate to the fastest setting? Also, is Allow VoiceOver to be controlled with AppleScript checked under the General pane of VoiceOver Utility? HTH. Cheers, Esther On Mar 13, 2011, at 14:42, erik burggraaf wrote: Hi guys, I've got an obscure one related to the keyboard commander script to read the time and date. On my laptop, the time and date from the keyboard commander are read using the speech settings that I have set up for VO. If I slow the speech down, or speed it up, I can press option T and the time and date will be announced in whatever speech configuration voiceover is currently using. On my roommate's laptop the time and date are announced painfully slowly, no matter what his voiceover speech settings are. We're running all the latest 10.6 updates and all that. Can any one suggest a reason why this should be? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Quick nav idea! :]
hi to delete a mail message, i simply press the backspace key. just my thought. best On 14 Mar 2011, at 23:40, Colin M wrote: Hi all! So I quite like quick nav and was wondering if people think this might be a good idea! [or not] Using q. nav in mail [ for example] I can get to which mail box I want then interact with the messages, then just open with enter and delete with just one hand! but if I want to keep the message I must use command+w! So I was thinking to open use left, up and right arrows at the same time and to close left, down and right! This also leaves the key combinations left,up and down. And the keys up,down and right for other uses! [ suggestions anybody] These key strokes could be given other options in web mode! So is it a bad idea or not! And are people worried that it might be to tricky on the fingers! Any thoughts! :] Colin Qapla! Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Problem in the address book
Hi, I am experiencing problem in the address book in that the Mac voice does not say the number when I typed the phone number. How does one resolve this? Thank you Regards, Cheok Cheng Ann cheokcheng...@gmail.com http://www.chengann.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is the disappearance of Voice Over a unique problem, or do others have it, too?
I haven't seen that in the year and a half I have been using VoiceOver, but Jaws does it on an average of at least once a day... Is that good enough to qualify for top screen reader in the world? - Original Message - From: Michael Busboom m...@busboom.at To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 10:38 AM Subject: Is the disappearance of Voice Over a unique problem, or do others have it, too? Hi everyone, I am using Snow Leopard V 10.6.6 on a Mac Book with 4 GB/RAM. For reasons I do not understand, I occasionally lose Voice Over, especially when I am using Mail. Though the problem is not limited to Mail, Voice Over just seems to unload itself, and the only thing I can do is repeatedly hit Command F5 until VO decides to make an appearance. Its disappearance is apparently random, i.e. I can't make it disappear at will. Has anyone else encountered this problem? If not, what might be causing it? Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. My best to all of you, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Problem in the address book
It's been my experience that there is no resolution. I type the phone number without feedback, move out of the edit box, then move back. The number should then be read. You most likely will be able to interact with the edit box to make any corrections. Brett C. On Mar 14, 2011, at 7:51 PM, Cheok Cheng Ann wrote: Hi, I am experiencing problem in the address book in that the Mac voice does not say the number when I typed the phone number. How does one resolve this? Thank you Regards, Cheok Cheng Ann cheokcheng...@gmail.com http://www.chengann.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Quick nav idea! :]
Hi Joseph! Yes I use the same key! I use enter to open them as well! But the key strokes I suggested are available to use for something and opened this for discussion! And if enough people like it and maybe come up with better ideas then they could be suggested to Apple! :] ColinQapla! Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak On 15 Mar 2011, at 01:48, joseph wrote: hi to delete a mail message, i simply press the backspace key. just my thought. best On 14 Mar 2011, at 23:40, Colin M wrote: Hi all! So I quite like quick nav and was wondering if people think this might be a good idea! [or not] Using q. nav in mail [ for example] I can get to which mail box I want then interact with the messages, then just open with enter and delete with just one hand! but if I want to keep the message I must use command+w! So I was thinking to open use left, up and right arrows at the same time and to close left, down and right! This also leaves the key combinations left,up and down. And the keys up,down and right for other uses! [ suggestions anybody] These key strokes could be given other options in web mode! So is it a bad idea or not! And are people worried that it might be to tricky on the fingers! Any thoughts! :] Colin Qapla! Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: apple mail and voice over issue
Hi, Thank you for the kind reply. I don't yet have a Mac but one is in te mix shortly. As for now I'm just learning how a Mac will better serve me - that is better choice for me then a standard Windows only based system. Any proof I can come up with to support my acquisition of a Mac to my State agency is vital to getting them to see things the Apple way. Johnny On 3/14/2011 6:53 PM, Colin M wrote: Hi Johchi! Quick nav means you can just use the arrows to nav! to switch it on just press left and right arrows at the same time! vo will say quick nav on or off! So when it is on you will not have to hold vo keys and just press up down and so on to nav you can also select with up and down arrows at the same time! interact with down and right! stop interacting left and down! On the web it is also the rota! So left and up will change from say headings to tables or something and up and right will go the other way to say links and so on! So you pick headings and you will down arrow through headings and if links then links funny enough! :] And if you have not already guessed yes it works with vo! Turn it on and have a play! If you do not like it at first just turn it off! Colin Qapla! Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak On 14 Mar 2011, at 22:21, Johchi wrote: On 3/14/2011 9:01 AM, Denise Avant wrote: hi, you were right on target. thanks. i don't know how i did it or when. well i guess i know how just the when part. On Mar 14, 2011, at 6:34 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, It sounds to me like you've accidentally turned quick nav on. You can toggle it on and off by pressing the left and right arrow keys at the same time. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, AIM: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Mar 13, 2011, at 11:56 PM, Denise Avant wrote: hi all, i must have accidentally changed my setting in mail because i cannot get voiceover to read properly. for example, if i am on a message, and arrow up to see the next message, instead of saying that message, vo will say i'm on the inbox, and tell me how many messages. this is the best way i can describe it. i have tried restarting my computer but the issue continues. any ideas? thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Hi, What's Quick nav and does it work with VO? Johnny -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Sharing my contact via mms
Hey Everyone, I need to be able to share my contact to someone via mms messenging but how does the recipient save my contact to his or her contacts when it has been send via a mms message, keeping in mind the person is new to the Iphone and Voice Over but he is doing well so far. Regards Dean !!!Thoughts become things so choose the good ones because Life's to short to be a grumble bum !!! * Email: d...@internode.on.net * Phone: 0243206031 * Skype: deanadams9 * Mobile: 0428133758 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Question about Twitterrific for iPhone
Hello list, I have begun using Twitterific for iPhone as a result of Icon Factry's accessibility improvements. I've encountered a problem when trying to open links that have been tweeted. Some links will open via the in-app browser while double tapping other links pulls up an actions menu, which does not include an option to open the link. I wrote to the company's tech support, but I want to see if anyone else is familiar with this. Any solutions are also welcome. Best, Amber Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
