Re: OS X Lion, Safari, and VoiceOver: next/previous static text

2011-08-23 Thread Alex Hall
I've seen that option in the rotor, yes. I also just assigned it to
u/shift-u under single-key navigation in quik nav. It had some trouble
at first, but I think it is working properly now. Restarting vo would
probably have helped. Unfortunately, you can't define the size of the
text chunk to use as the static text size, and I think its definition
is far too small.

On 8/22/11, Kevin Chao kevincha...@gmail.com wrote:
 in OS X Lion with VoiceOver and Safari; is it possible to jump to
 next/previous static text, like iOS? if so, how?

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Re: need help with software installation

2011-08-23 Thread Simon Cavendish
Hello,

I had the same happen - had to ask sighted assistance as you can't get to the 
controls with VO keys or trackpad. 

Best wishes

Simon
On 22 Aug 2011, at 22:37, Bill Holton wrote:

 Hi.
 Figured I would install Flash as my first application, going to need it
 eventually.  Got the link to download the software from youtube, downloaded
 it.  I found the file in my download directory, and I also started the
 installer.  When I start it up I get the usual  message, am I sure I want to
 install.  I click open, and I get a checkbox to agree to licensing terms.
 When I tab down there is an install link, but clicking it either with a
 double tap of the touch pad, pressing option command space bar or pressing
 the mouse click hot key I set up doesn't do anything.  The Flash installer
 is in my dock, but I can't seem to get it further.  Any help to a novice
 appreciated.
 
 
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Re: OpenOffice?

2011-08-23 Thread Krister Ekstrom
Hi,
When i tried Openoffice i found a couple of show stoppers:
the paragraphs or even new lines were presented as separate edit boxes making 
it impossible to read using the say all command vo+a. I couldn't select long 
blocks of text to delete, move or otherwise manipulate, thereby making this 
function practically useless. This is in the openoffice word processor. Since 
others can use it, it would be nice to know what in the world i do wrong, or if 
there's some setting somewhere i need to change. I definitely prefer Pages for 
word processing, though i mostly do simple text writing, so textedit is enough 
for me.
/Krister

22 aug 2011 kl. 19:05 skrev Chris Blouch:

 While I only played with it a bit in the word processor I found table 
 navigation was difficult because it wouldn't announce what row or column I 
 was in or at least what heading I was under. Lots of the other stuff worked 
 decently. It's free so why not just download it and give it a whirl?
 
 CB
 
 On 8/21/11 4:21 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
 Hi all,
 I heard that OpenOffice will work with vo.  What limitations are there to 
 this support? In Windows, OO is all but unuseable, and I wonder if vo will 
 run into any problems of which I should be aware before I try it.  TIA.  Oh, 
 I am not willing to spend money on Pages or any of the others, especially 
 since I now have my mac set to dual boot with Win7 and I have an MS Office 
 installation I can put on if I need it.  Of course, though, I want to do as 
 much as possible in mac.
 
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Re: Lion DVD ore USB?

2011-08-23 Thread Hayri Tulumcu
The DVD, which you download from the AppStore, is 3.82GB, it is also by 
chance, if you have it as a USB key, i meen, do you get the entire OS X 
drive where you can also say custumise during installation?
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Subject: Re: Lion DVD ore USB?


There's no need to buy it, you can get a flash drive and make your own. 
You can use the lion recovery assistant application from apple to do this. 
I used an old 1 GB flash drive I had around here, works well.

On Aug 22, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Hayri Tulumcu wrote:


Hello folks. I have some questions about Lion.
1st If I buy Lion on a USB key, should i be connected to the Internet 
when the install because it says download extra components?

2nd Will it do so if I buy it on
a USB key?
3rd The DVD, which you download from the AppStore, is 3.82GB, it is also 
by chance, if you have it as a USB key, i meen, do you get the entire OS 
X drive where you can also say custumise during

installation?

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Re: Arrow keys accidentally disabled on friend's macbook pro

2011-08-23 Thread Ioana Gandrabur
I had disabled it before giving back the mac with cmd f5 and did not to my 
knowledg change startup option.
I suppose she has restarted it.
Thanks.

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On Aug 22, 2011, at 11:15 PM, james Walton jmwalto...@gmail.com wrote:

 has she tried to restart the computer?
 is voiceover running?
 
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Re: [Bulk] Re: Arrow keys accidentally disabled on friend's macbook pro

2011-08-23 Thread Ioana Gandrabur
Would this affect the mac even when vo is off?

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 arrow at the same time to toggle this on or off.
 
 
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 is voiceover running?
 
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Recommendations for optical out sound system?

2011-08-23 Thread Bill Holton
Can someone suggest a nice sound system that would take advantage of the
mini's optical out connector?
BTW:  I have been running my new model Mac Mini for several days without a
connected monitor and everything works fine.


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Re: Mac Mail Question

2011-08-23 Thread Paul Erkens
Hi Linda,

If you have 2 mailboxes and you want to easily switch between them, here's how 
to do it. If you need more help, let me know.

First, you will want to have both mailboxes in your favorites bar. You can do 
this using the new drag and drop procedure in voice over. First, look where the 
favorites bar is. Interact with it, and find your way around, so that you later 
know where to paste your second mailbox. If you see checkboxes in the favorites 
bar, don't worry about them. For this task, they are not important.

If your first mailbox is already in the favorites bar, but your second mailbox 
isn't yet, then you will have to drag the second mailbox from the mailboxes 
table, over to the favorites bar. The reason you will want both mailboxes to be 
in the favorites bar is, that you will later be able to use command plus the 
number 1 to get into the first mailbox, and command plus 2 to get into your 
second mailbox, as displayed in the favorites bar. Which mailbox will open if 
you press command 1 or command 2, depends on the order in which the mailboxes 
appear on the favorites bar. So if, for example, your private email account is 
first on the favorites bar, and your, say, gmail account is second, then 
command 1 wil open your private inbox and command 2 your gmail.
Opening a new mail window etc, like you described, is then no longer necessary.

To drag the second mailbox over to the favorites bar, go to the mailboxes 
table, put the voiceover cursor on the mailbox you want to drag, then press v o 
comma there. This will tell voice over that this is the item you want to drag 
elsewhere. Now, move over to the favorites bar, put the v o cursor on the spot 
just to the right of your first mailbox that was already there, and then drop 
the second mailbox using v o plus period. This will start the drag operation. 
You will here a mouse down sound, then some soft whooshes while it's dragging, 
then a mouse up click, and the second mailbox is in the favorites bar. Now, the 
work should be done, if I'm not forgetting something. It is somewhat more work 
to get rid of a certain mailbox in the favorites bar, once you accidentally 
dragged the wrong one over, so be careful that you pick the correct mailbox, 
that you called, your second mailbox.

From now on, if you press command plus 1, your private email should be 
displayed. Command 2 gives you your other account. You will have to interact 
again after switching mailboxes this way, but it is fast and convenient to do 
it like this.

Hth. Paul.
On Aug 23, 2011, at 1:02 AM, Linda Adams wrote:

 Hello again,
 
 Well, I kept researching and found another solution to my question.  I just 
 found that command option N will open a new mail window in which I can then 
 open another mailbox.  Then I can easily switch between the windows to check 
 my inbox and my other mailbox.
 
 This works, but if anyone knows how I can change command 2 to do the trick, 
 I'm still interested.
 
 Linda
 
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Re: time script

2011-08-23 Thread craig J Dunlop
I git that too. and then it only reads the 12 hour time even though my macbook 
is set for 24 hour.

On Aug 22, 2011, at 9:26 PM, Candie Stiles wrote:

 Yes I've experienced the very same thing. Some times I need to press the key 
 combination twice before getting a response.
 On Aug 22, 2011, at 7:24 PM, james Walton wrote:
 
 hi everyone,
 who here has problems with they do the time script, it takes at least like 2 
 or 3 seconds to even speak the time and date?
 
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Re: turning off trackpad on macbooks

2011-08-23 Thread Paul Erkens
Hi Falcon, Chad, Christopher and others,
The problem is indeed, that I would like to bump the trackpad out of existence. 
I did find that if you have an external mouse, you can disable the internal 
trackpad, but that is not what I'm hoping to find. Just like on a windows 
laptop, I want to turn it off entirely, also for sighted people. If I swipe 
left or right with 3 fingers by accident, for example, the dashboard comes up, 
and that is only one of the things I'm trying to avoid. If anyone has another 
suggestion, please let me know. If I find one myself, I'll post it back here.

Paul.
On Aug 20, 2011, at 1:00 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:

 Hi!
 The only thing I could find and I do not know if this will help you with your 
 issue!
 It seems if you have a mouse or external track pad you can turn off the built 
 in track pad in universal prefs under mouse/track pad there is an option 
 there to do it!
 So plug in a old mouse [if you got one ] and then I suppose you can then turn 
 off the trackpad!
 hth Colin
 
 On 20 Aug 2011, at 06:28, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
 
 I think everyone is a little confused.  I don't think he's trying to turn 
 off trackpad commander, correct me if I'm wrong.  I think he literally wants 
 to completely bump the track pad out of existence.  He wants to make it 
 where it's as if the track pad never was there to start with.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: gerry cook gerryc...@optusnet.com.au
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 Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 10:44 PM
 Subject: Re: turning off trackpad on MacBooks
 
 
 Hi i think if you use the cmd key and rotate 2 fingers in an anti clock 
 wise direction on the track pad, it'll be turned off. I got that from 
 studying the voiceover guide.
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 Subject: turning off trackpad on MacBooks
 
 
 Hi list,
 
 Is there a way to turn off the trackpad entirely, while using a macbook or 
 macbook pro with Lion? When accidentally touching it, even when I am in 
 VmWare fusion inside windows, a whooshing sound may be heard, which means 
 I am in dash board. Of course, you can turn that off, but is there a way 
 to have the trackpad not react to me when I accidentally touch it? I know 
 you can turn on mouse keys, but that is not really a solution. Having an 
 external mouse or trackpad can be done as well, but I'm hoping to find how 
 to just turn off the internal laptop trackpad. Any ideas?
 
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Re: OpenOffice?

2011-08-23 Thread Chris Blouch
Just finished downloading Libre Office and it still has the table 
problem. I insert a new 2 by 2 table and as I navigate the cells they 
are all announced as Edit Text so there is no way to know which row of 
column I'm in. Well, there is the trick I posted about a while back of 
setting a live region in the region at the bottom of the page which does 
give the letter/number position inside the table, but I shouldn't have 
to do that.


I tried VO-A on a document and it only read the first paragraph. I could 
VO-down and read each paragraph as a block but not the whole document. I 
was able to position my cursor at the beginning of a paragraph and 
shift-down to select it and a couple paragraphs after that which I could 
then cut, move somewhere else and paste, so that seemed to work ok. It 
also announced every blank line between paragraphs as Edit Text which 
is kind of verbose. Would rather have it just say blank.


CB

On 8/23/11 5:35 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

Hi,
When i tried Openoffice i found a couple of show stoppers:
the paragraphs or even new lines were presented as separate edit boxes making it 
impossible to read using the say all command vo+a. I couldn't select long 
blocks of text to delete, move or otherwise manipulate, thereby making this function 
practically useless. This is in the openoffice word processor. Since others can use it, 
it would be nice to know what in the world i do wrong, or if there's some setting 
somewhere i need to change. I definitely prefer Pages for word processing, though i 
mostly do simple text writing, so textedit is enough for me.
/Krister

22 aug 2011 kl. 19:05 skrev Chris Blouch:


While I only played with it a bit in the word processor I found table 
navigation was difficult because it wouldn't announce what row or column I was 
in or at least what heading I was under. Lots of the other stuff worked 
decently. It's free so why not just download it and give it a whirl?

CB

On 8/21/11 4:21 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

Hi all,
I heard that OpenOffice will work with vo.  What limitations are there to this 
support? In Windows, OO is all but unuseable, and I wonder if vo will run into 
any problems of which I should be aware before I try it.  TIA.  Oh, I am not 
willing to spend money on Pages or any of the others, especially since I now 
have my mac set to dual boot with Win7 and I have an MS Office installation I 
can put on if I need it.  Of course, though, I want to do as much as possible 
in mac.

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Re: Recommendations for optical out sound system?

2011-08-23 Thread Chris Blouch
I have a very old Denon with optical inputs. I plugged the MacMini into 
the same connector as my DVD player used to be and it just worked. 
Playing a DVD does the full 5.1 surround sound from the mini's optical 
audio out. Only hard part was coming up with the little TOSLink to 
regular square optical cable. As I wrote some time ago, all the usual 
places (Radio Shack, BestBuy etc) had no idea what I was talking about. 
Even the local high-end stereo place didn't have them. So I found one 
online for about $5 with shipping included. Main thing to search on was 
mini toslink which is what the headphone optical output is. Usually the 
description is something like Toslink to Mini Toslink. Here is one 
from Amazon:


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FMXKC8/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8me=seller=

CB

On 8/23/11 8:55 AM, Bill Holton wrote:

Can someone suggest a nice sound system that would take advantage of the
mini's optical out connector?
BTW:  I have been running my new model Mac Mini for several days without a
connected monitor and everything works fine.




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system has new window

2011-08-23 Thread Rhonda Hornbacher
Hi Mac People,

I recently heard system has new window. This happened soon after I turned on my 
MBP. I am now unable to view this window so that I may read what it has to say. 

Is there a key combination that I can go to that window and read it's contents? 

Any and all suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,
Rhonda

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Re: iTunes 10.4.1 is out

2011-08-23 Thread matthew Dyer
10.4.1 works fine here with no problems at all.  I can now go through the list 
of music without having to interact  first.  I am using sl.

Matthew


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[Mac-cessibility News] iTunes 10.4.1 is Released with VoiceOver Fixes

2011-08-23 Thread Maccessibility
iTunes 10.4.1 is Released with VoiceOver Fixes

Apple has released an update to iTunes, it's flagship media management and
storefront software. The release notes list VoiceOver fixes among the changes in
version 10.4.1, which should please users who have struggled with version 10.4
in recent weeks.
While the vast majority of iTunes releases have worked well with VoiceOver,
there have occasionally been issues. [...]

You can read the rest of this news item at:
http://www.lioncourt.com/2011/08/23/itunes-10-4-1-is-released-with-voiceover-fixes/

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e-mail chronology

2011-08-23 Thread Jennifer Perdue
Hi,

I am new to this list and new to the mac mini.  I recieve my e-mail and it is 
always from newest to oldest.  Could someone tell me how to read it from oldest 
to newest please.

I know it's a stupid and elementary question but I'm a Mac baby.

Oh could you tell me if my signature is going through also.

Thanks.


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Re: commercial ebooks on lion with vo?

2011-08-23 Thread Max
Hi
This is discussed in more detail in an earlier thread, but basically
it's like this. The Kindle and Kobo Mac apps are not accessible. The
only passable  way to read e-books is with Adobe Digital Editions. You
can buy Adobe incripted ePubs or pdfs from e-book shops like Kobo
and then read them with the Digital Editions app. This app is usable,
but you have to work around some bugs.
I've also heard that iTunes will at some point get something like
ibooks built into it. That is not confirmed though.
Hope this helps

On Aug 22, 1:49 pm, anouk radix radix.an...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi everyone,
 My new macbook air will arrive soon and I was wondering if it is
 possible yet to read ebooks on the mac, by ebooks I mean commercial
 encrypted ones with voiceover or built-in text to speech?
 I know its possible on the iphone but I prefer doing it ona normal
 macbook with my braille display if possible.
 Thanks in advance for any information,
 Greetings, Anouk,

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Re: e-mail chronology

2011-08-23 Thread Red.Falcon
Hi Jennifer!
To sort your messages!
Go to the date column and then press vo+shift+\ this will change it to oldest 
first!
That command will sort other Columbus for other use's like making your music 
artist list A to Z if they are not sorted that way!
And no your signature is not there!
Colin
PS. there is no Stupid Questions here!
And setting a signature can be tricky!
Look for signature items in the Archives!

On 23 Aug 2011, at 17:17, Jennifer Perdue wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I am new to this list and new to the mac mini.  I receive my e-mail and it is 
 always from newest to oldest.  Could someone tell me how to read it from 
 oldest to newest please.
 
 I know it's a stupid and elementary question but I'm a Mac baby.
 
 Oh could you tell me if my signature is going through also.
 
 Thanks.
 
 
 On Aug 22, 2011, at 10:29 PM, james Walton wrote:
 
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 the night.
 don't want to screw anything up!
 
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media player?

2011-08-23 Thread Alex Hall

Hi all,
I am wondering what people use for media playback.  On Windows, 
there is a great program called Mapler that can play most any 
audio file type and provides keyboard shortcuts to control pitch, 
speed, frequency, and more.  What I like is that I can change the 
key if I need to practice playing a song in a key other than what 
it is in originally, and I can speed up things like podcasts or 
interviews to listen to them faster.  Is anything like this 
available for the mac? Of course I have iTunes, but that does not 
give me pitch or speed control and the playback interface is not 
nearly as simple (and therefore easy to use).  I understand why 
this is - iTunes is for much more than just media - but it would 
be great to have a program for mac comparable to Mapler's 
functionality.


Have a great day,
Alex (msg sent from BrailleNote
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Re: media player?

2011-08-23 Thread Kevin Chao
VLC is great. It will do most of what you are looking for, especially
play most media files and increase playback speed.
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-macosx.html

Kevin
On 8/23/11, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all,
 I am wondering what people use for media playback.  On Windows,
 there is a great program called Mapler that can play most any
 audio file type and provides keyboard shortcuts to control pitch,
 speed, frequency, and more.  What I like is that I can change the
 key if I need to practice playing a song in a key other than what
 it is in originally, and I can speed up things like podcasts or
 interviews to listen to them faster.  Is anything like this
 available for the mac? Of course I have iTunes, but that does not
 give me pitch or speed control and the playback interface is not
 nearly as simple (and therefore easy to use).  I understand why
 this is - iTunes is for much more than just media - but it would
 be great to have a program for mac comparable to Mapler's
 functionality.

 Have a great day,
 Alex (msg sent from BrailleNote
 mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap

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RE: e-mail chronology

2011-08-23 Thread KliphSharrie
What about during spell check.  How do you add a word to the dictionary, and
how do you ignore words?

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: e-mail chronology

Hi Jennifer!
To sort your messages!
Go to the date column and then press vo+shift+\ this will change it to
oldest first!
That command will sort other Columbus for other use's like making your music
artist list A to Z if they are not sorted that way!
And no your signature is not there!
Colin
PS. there is no Stupid Questions here!
And setting a signature can be tricky!
Look for signature items in the Archives!

On 23 Aug 2011, at 17:17, Jennifer Perdue wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I am new to this list and new to the mac mini.  I receive my e-mail and it
is always from newest to oldest.  Could someone tell me how to read it from
oldest to newest please.
 
 I know it's a stupid and elementary question but I'm a Mac baby.
 
 Oh could you tell me if my signature is going through also.
 
 Thanks.
 
 
 On Aug 22, 2011, at 10:29 PM, james Walton wrote:
 
 the file is locked, and i am tired, so i am going to just leave it alone
for the night.
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Re: system has new window

2011-08-23 Thread Hai Nguyen Ly
Rhonda,
Try holding down the VO keys and press F2 twice. This should allow you to arrow 
through the active windows. Press enter on the one you wish to interact with.


On Aug 23, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Rhonda Hornbacher wrote:

 Hi Mac People,
 
 I recently heard system has new window. This happened soon after I turned on 
 my MBP. I am now unable to view this window so that I may read what it has to 
 say. 
 
 Is there a key combination that I can go to that window and read it's 
 contents? 
 
 Any and all suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
 
 Thank you,
 Rhonda
 
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Re: e-mail chronology

2011-08-23 Thread Red.Falcon
Hi Kliphton!
Well in the spellcheck window after the table of suggestions there is a learn 
and ignore buttons and a define one as well!
hth Colin

On 23 Aug 2011, at 18:51, KliphSharrie wrote:

 What about during spell check.  How do you add a word to the dictionary, and
 how do you ignore words?
 
 Kliphton SR
 (twitterSkype) kliphton72
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 (Marriage group) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/committed-married-christians
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Red.Falcon
 Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:12 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: e-mail chronology
 
 Hi Jennifer!
 To sort your messages!
 Go to the date column and then press vo+shift+\ this will change it to
 oldest first!
 That command will sort other column's for other use's like making your music
 artist list A to Z if they are not sorted that way!
 And no your signature is not there!
 Colin
 PS. there is no Stupid Questions here!
 And setting a signature can be tricky!
 Look for signature items in the Archives!
 
 On 23 Aug 2011, at 17:17, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I am new to this list and new to the mac mini.  I receive my e-mail and it
 is always from newest to oldest.  Could someone tell me how to read it from
 oldest to newest please.
 
 I know it's a stupid and elementary question but I'm a Mac baby.
 
 Oh could you tell me if my signature is going through also.
 
 Thanks.
 
 
 On Aug 22, 2011, at 10:29 PM, james Walton wrote:
 
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 for the night.
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Re: system has new window

2011-08-23 Thread Red.Falcon
Hi Hai!
Sometimes I get a message about something and when I try to go to it, it says 
that it has no windows and there is no sign of it in the window chooser but the 
item is still there!
Something about system something or other!
Any ideas?
Colin

On 23 Aug 2011, at 18:51, Hai Nguyen Ly wrote:

 Rhonda,
 Try holding down the VO keys and press F2 twice. This should allow you to 
 arrow through the active windows. Press enter on the one you wish to interact 
 with.
 
 
 On Aug 23, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Rhonda Hornbacher wrote:
 
 Hi Mac People,
 
 I recently heard system has new window. This happened soon after I turned on 
 my MBP. I am now unable to view this window so that I may read what it has 
 to say. 
 
 Is there a key combination that I can go to that window and read it's 
 contents? 
 
 Any and all suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
 
 Thank you,
 Rhonda
 
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RE: e-mail chronology

2011-08-23 Thread KliphSharrie
Oh, I knew that, thought there was a key combo I could use.

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Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 1:08 PM
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Subject: Re: e-mail chronology

Hi Kliphton!
Well in the spellcheck window after the table of suggestions there is a
learn and ignore buttons and a define one as well!
hth Colin

On 23 Aug 2011, at 18:51, KliphSharrie wrote:

 What about during spell check.  How do you add a word to the 
 dictionary, and how do you ignore words?
 
 Kliphton SR
 (twitterSkype) kliphton72
 (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com
 (Marriage group) 
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/committed-married-christians
 
 
 
 
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 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Red.Falcon
 Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:12 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: e-mail chronology
 
 Hi Jennifer!
 To sort your messages!
 Go to the date column and then press vo+shift+\ this will change it to 
 oldest first!
 That command will sort other column's for other use's like making your 
 music artist list A to Z if they are not sorted that way!
 And no your signature is not there!
 Colin
 PS. there is no Stupid Questions here!
 And setting a signature can be tricky!
 Look for signature items in the Archives!
 
 On 23 Aug 2011, at 17:17, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I am new to this list and new to the mac mini.  I receive my e-mail 
 and it
 is always from newest to oldest.  Could someone tell me how to read it 
 from oldest to newest please.
 
 I know it's a stupid and elementary question but I'm a Mac baby.
 
 Oh could you tell me if my signature is going through also.
 
 Thanks.
 
 
 On Aug 22, 2011, at 10:29 PM, james Walton wrote:
 
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 alone
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24-hour clock time announcements [was Re: clock with hotkey]

2011-08-23 Thread Esther
Hi Craig and Others, 

The AppleScript for saying time does not pay attention to the Use a 24-hour 
clock check box on the Clock tab of the Date  Time menu under System 
Preferences.  That check box only affects the way time is displayed on the 
status bar menu. Furthermore, the format of the string variables for time 
returned in the AppleScript is actually set by your country preferences under 
the System Preferences Language  Text menu under the Formats pane.  If you 
navigate to the Date  Time tab of the Date  Time menu, you'll find a 
statement To set date and time formats, use Language  Text preferences. 
followed by an Open Language  Text… button. The Formats tab of the 
Language  Text menu of System Preferences has a pop up button for Region 
(e.g., United States, United Kingdom, etc.), and the rest of the pane gives 
sample formats under Dates, Times, Numbers, and Currency.  

What I had to do to get time announced on a 24 hour clock was both create a 
custom format for my region by pressing (VO-Space) the Customize button on 
the section for Times under my region (United States), and also write a 
replacement AppleScript to announce the time.  The difficult part was actually 
customizing the time format, since you're supposed to drag and drop elements 
for the format you want -- so that instead of 7:08 PM you have 19:08.  I 
think the way that I did this was by copying the element for 19 from the 
customized  Time format setting for the United Kingdom region, and then 
pasting it into the time fields for the customized United States region.  The 
sequence was something like this:
1) Navigate to the Language  Text menu of System Preferences and go to the 
Formats tab.
2) Set the Regions pop up button to United Kingdom
3) Navigate to the Times section and press (VO-Space) the Customize button
4) The dialog window will say Type text and drag time elements to create a 
custom format. and there will be sample short, medium, long, and full time 
formats.  Interact with the first group of these, which is the short format.  
Then VO-Space to highlight the group. The first element will be 19 -- or some 
hour field number for the 24 hour clock.  Bring up the context menu 
(VO-Shift-M) and choose the Copy option. 
5) Press the Escape key (top left corner of English language keyboard) to 
cancel and leave the dialog window.  (Or, you can navigate to the Cancel 
button and press it with VO-Space.)
6) Set the Regions pop up button to United States
7) Navigate to the Times section and press (VO-Space) the Customize button
8) Navigate to each of the short, medium, long, and full time formats in turn.  
Interact with each group, VO-Space, then on the first element, which will be 
7 -- or some hour field number for the 12 hour clock -- bring up the context 
menu (VO-Shift-M) and choose the Paste option to replace this with the 24 
hour clock value.  You'll have to do this for the hour element of each of the 
four format fields, and you'll also have to use the context menu to cut the 
PM options.
9) Press (VO-Space) the OK button to confirm your changes.

You should find that your Region pop up button is now set to Custom, but that 
all the formats are the same, except that your time format uses a 24 hour clock.

Here's a sample AppleScript that will announce the time.  It has seconds 
announced (so that the format for retrieving this can be shown), but you can 
just delete the last variable in the return line to remove it.  You can also 
delete the initial announcement for The current time is in the first line's 
say command.  What you'll find is that if you change the Regions pop up 
button to United States, the time will be announced in 12-hour time format.  
Note that this means the arguments in the AppleScript are specific to the time 
format that has been set up, and that you cannot use the script in unmodified 
form with an arbitrary region format.  Two years ago when I set this up in 
Leopard after a lengthy discussion with Paul Hopewell on the mac-access list, 
we found that the solution for a UK region time script would have to be 
different.  You'll have to experiment with customizing the settings for time 
format.  I did this under Leopard, and assigned a shortcut to announce the time 
using Spark, since this was two operating system versions away from VoiceOver 
AppleScript support.

AppleScript follows below my sig after Cut Here. Command R will run it.  You 
can save it as either an Application or an AppleScript.  You might also want to 
add a delay 0.5 argument before the say command if you want to make sure 
VoiceOver stops speaking previous material before the time announcement.  (This 
used to be necessary.) 

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

Cut Here---
(*
Say Time Script
October 12, 2008
*)

say The current time is   getTimeInHoursAndMinutes()

on getTimeInHoursAndMinutes()
-- Get the hour
set timeStr to time string of (current date)
set Pos to offset of : in timeStr

Keynote image descriptions

2011-08-23 Thread Chris Blouch
I'm getting ready to do a presentation and have put it together in 
Keynote. Besides text I have some images which I want to add text 
descriptions for. Anyone know how to do this? When I output the 
presentation as PDF the images have no text so VO just skips right over 
them. Other presentation software lets you set a text attribute for an 
image but I've not noodled out how to do this in Keynote.


CB

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Subscribing to MacVisionaries

2011-08-23 Thread David Hole
Hi.
I'd just like to ask why (if it's still that way now-a-day) people
have to contact a group admin to subscribe to MacVisionaries and the
iPhone-list? IMO it would be better if people can subscribe, and
admins just accept them. What's your thoughts?
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Re: Subscribing to MacVisionaries

2011-08-23 Thread Alex Hall
I agree 110 percent! I got a Mac Tuesday night and could not ask
anything until mid Thursday because of that delay. I am not sure what
the reasoning behind the setup is, but it seems like a hinderance and
a turn-off for potential users, plus an unnecessary delay for those
who need to get help doing something. I'm just glad I did not plan to
use the mac for anything important right off, and that Twitter was
there to help answer some questions.

On 8/23/11, David Hole balubathebr...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi.
 I'd just like to ask why (if it's still that way now-a-day) people
 have to contact a group admin to subscribe to MacVisionaries and the
 iPhone-list? IMO it would be better if people can subscribe, and
 admins just accept them. What's your thoughts?
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Re: Subscribing to MacVisionaries

2011-08-23 Thread Ishe Chinyoka
Could be just a way to moderate and regulate admissions. Or else to build a 
profile of users?  

Someone might have been kicked off for some misdemeanour and this exercise may 
be a way to flush them out. You don't want troublesome people kicking in and 
out from time to time..

However, I agree that it is an inconvenience when you want to quickly sort out 
some troubleshooting issue.

Ishe

On 23 Aug,2011, at 10:54 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

 I agree 110 percent! I got a Mac Tuesday night and could not ask
 anything until mid Thursday because of that delay. I am not sure what
 the reasoning behind the setup is, but it seems like a hinderance and
 a turn-off for potential users, plus an unnecessary delay for those
 who need to get help doing something. I'm just glad I did not plan to
 use the mac for anything important right off, and that Twitter was
 there to help answer some questions.
 
 On 8/23/11, David Hole balubathebr...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi.
 I'd just like to ask why (if it's still that way now-a-day) people
 have to contact a group admin to subscribe to MacVisionaries and the
 iPhone-list? IMO it would be better if people can subscribe, and
 admins just accept them. What's your thoughts?
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Making an mp3 with lion?

2011-08-23 Thread Missy Hoppe
Hello, all. I don't know if I'm misunderstanding, or if I just dreamed this 
feature existed, but I thought I read somewhere
that with lion, one could make an mp3 out of a document. I have a file which 
I'd love to have Alex read as an mp3, but can't
figure out how to do it. I checked the context menu when the file was selected, 
but didn't see any relevant options. Do I
need special software similar to text aloud to make this happen on my mac, or 
am I just not looking in the right place to
find the feature? I understand that I can't create a multi-voice file the same 
way I can using text aloud on my PC, but just
having Alex read something into mp3 format would be more than adequate for now. 
Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me
figure this out, and I hope that everyone is having a great day!
Missy


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Re: Getting my first mac

2011-08-23 Thread Traci

Oh gall, shipping says the Mac will arrive tomorrow!

Any last minute tips for when I open and start it up?

If I remember correctly our wireless network is hidden, will this be 
challenging for the Mac, or should I say for the Mac user?  Lol!


Also, I have found plenty of podcasts on using VO, but will I need to find 
some materials on using the Mac itself?  Macs own programs?


Yes, the interacting thing will take some getting use to.  I've listened to 
some podcasts, but I'm still not clear on when to interact and when not. 
Hopefully practice will iron that out.  :)


BTW, Mike you've done great work with tech podcasts.  I've listened to many 
of your Mac ones and a few of your Android ones.  *smile*


Thanks all,
Traci

- Original Message - 
From: Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: Getting my first mac


Welcome to the world of the mac, I'm sure you will love it. Since you use 
the ipad, you're already half way there in learning voiceover, if you use 
the track pad commander, the gestures are mostly the same for navigating, so 
you should feel right at home there. Of course there are some new concepts 
such as interacting with items, but that's pretty simple. I'm sure you will 
enjoy the new computer.

On Aug 21, 2011, at 12:57 PM, Traci wrote:


Hello all,

My name is Traci, I own an iPad, and this week I'll be receiving my first 
Mac.  I chose the MacBook Air, 11.6, 1.8 processor.


I'm so flippin' excited and a bit nervous making this move.  I've done a 
lot of reading and listening over the last Months, however I'm still very 
open to all advice.  Baby steps to your first Mac, *grin.*


Having the iPad for the last year, I imagine I'll be using the trackpad a 
lot with the Air.  It'll definitely feel more familiar to me.


Anyway, thought I'd introduce myself; I'm looking forward to learning much 
from this list.


TC,
Traci


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progress indicators?

2011-08-23 Thread Alex Hall

Hi all,
I set vo to play a tone when a progress indicator changes.  I 
thought this would give me rising tones, much like the NVDA 
screen reader has.  Instead, I seem to only get a click every 
second, and only when the vo cursor is on an indicator.  This 
means I have no way to know how far along something like a 
webpage load is, or a program installation.  Is there any way to 
set things to play tones that actually provide information, and 
not when you are lucky enough to find the indicator?


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Re: Making an mp3 with lion?

2011-08-23 Thread Red.Falcon
Hi Missy!
Well I do not know if this will do a whole doc!
But vo+shift+Z Will copy last phrase to desktop as audio file!
hth Colin

On 23 Aug 2011, at 22:51, Missy Hoppe wrote:

 Hello, all. I don't know if I'm misunderstanding, or if I just dreamed this 
 feature existed, but I thought I read somewhere
 that with lion, one could make an mp3 out of a document. I have a file which 
 I'd love to have Alex read as an mp3, but can't
 figure out how to do it. I checked the context menu when the file was 
 selected, but didn't see any relevant options. Do I
 need special software similar to text aloud to make this happen on my mac, or 
 am I just not looking in the right place to
 find the feature? I understand that I can't create a multi-voice file the 
 same way I can using text aloud on my PC, but just
 having Alex read something into mp3 format would be more than adequate for 
 now. Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me
 figure this out, and I hope that everyone is having a great day!
 Missy
 
 
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RE: Making an mp3 with lion?

2011-08-23 Thread Missy Hoppe
Hmm. I'm not sure that will do what I'm wanting either, but at least it's a 
place to start. I can play around with it and see
what happens. Thank you very much for the suggestion.

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On Behalf Of Red.Falcon
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Subject: Re: Making an mp3 with lion?

Hi Missy!
Well I do not know if this will do a whole doc!
But vo+shift+Z Will copy last phrase to desktop as audio file!
hth Colin

On 23 Aug 2011, at 22:51, Missy Hoppe wrote:

 Hello, all. I don't know if I'm misunderstanding, or if I just dreamed
 this feature existed, but I thought I read somewhere that with lion,
 one could make an mp3 out of a document. I have a file which I'd love
 to have Alex read as an mp3, but can't figure out how to do it. I
 checked the context menu when the file was selected, but didn't see
 any relevant options. Do I need special software similar to text aloud
 to make this happen on my mac, or am I just not looking in the right place to 
 find the feature? I understand that I can't
create a multi-voice file the same way I can using text aloud on my PC, but 
just having Alex read something into mp3 format
would be more than adequate for now. Thanks in advance to anyone who can help 
me figure this out, and I hope that everyone is
having a great day!
 Missy


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Donwloading a demo of an application

2011-08-23 Thread Israel
Dear Group,

After speaking to a couple representatives for a couple applications I'm 
interested in buying but wanting to make sure they'll be accessible with VO, I 
decided to download the demo versions of these applications.  The first 
application I tried has now appeared in my downloads.  I pressed VO+shift+m to 
open it.  I was told upon opening it, the application would either begin the 
download or have instructions for me to do so.  Upon pressing open, VO told me 
there was a disc image browser with three choices.  application alias, the ap 
name, and extras folder.

Can someone walk me through the next steps.  I assume this means the download 
has not been complete.  Besides being in the downloads folder, the ap is 
sitting on my desktop and not in my applications folder.  Is the applications 
folder ultimately where it needs to be for me to know that the ap download is 
complete and I can use the ap to test it out?

I'm sorry if these are basic questions.  I've never successfully downloaded aps 
without sighted assistance.  In fact, in my previous attempts to download 
applications to test out, this is the furthest in the process that I've reached 
without being completely frustrated.  I'm not tech savvy at all.  So I hope 
someone can help.

Sexy Isra

Israel Antonio
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Re: editing commands?

2011-08-23 Thread erik burggraaf
Move left one character: left arrow,
move right one character: right arrow,
Move left one word: option left arrow,
Move right one word: option right arrow,
Move to the beginning of the line: control left arrow,
Move to the end of the line: control right arrow,
Move  to the previous paragraph option uparrow,
Move to the next paragraph: option down arrow,
Note that a paragraph is marked by a singal hard return,
Move to top of document: command up arrow,
Move to end of document: command down arrow,

To select by any of the above increments add shift.  For example to move right 
one word press option right arrow.  To select one word to the right press 
option shift uparrow.
Select all: command A,
Undo: command Z,
Cut: command X,
Copy: command C,
Paste: command V,
Backspace: backspace,
Delete: fn Backspace,

Hope this helps,



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On 2011-08-23, at 6:19 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

 Hi all,
 Sorry for the flood of emails.
 When editing, such as in an email or edit field on a webpage, how does one 
 move around? I know that quick nav must be off, that left and right arrows 
 move by character, and that up and down move by line, but that is it.  I 
 expected home/end to move to the start or end of the current line, 
 respectively, but that does not seem to be the case.  What are common 
 commands, like start/end of line, up/down a paragraph, move by word, spell 
 current word or line, and so forth? Thanks.
 
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Listening to CNN with Lion

2011-08-23 Thread Brett C.
On Sno Leopard I listened to CNN's audio stream using Flip for Mac. Now with 
Lion I can no longer listen. I've checked for updates for Flip for Mac in 
system prefs, but it says it's up to date. Can anyone help me figure out how to 
listen to CNN on my Mac?


Brett C.

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safari

2011-08-23 Thread craig J Dunlop

with Safari in lion how do I set it so when i lunch it it go toe the home page 
instead of the last page visited?

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Re: e-mail chronology

2011-08-23 Thread Jennifer Perdue
Thank you very much.

Have a great day.

Jenny and Brooks my Goofy Guide
On Aug 23, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:

 Hi Jennifer!
 To sort your messages!
 Go to the date column and then press vo+shift+\ this will change it to oldest 
 first!
 That command will sort other Columbus for other use's like making your music 
 artist list A to Z if they are not sorted that way!
 And no your signature is not there!
 Colin
 PS. there is no Stupid Questions here!
 And setting a signature can be tricky!
 Look for signature items in the Archives!
 
 On 23 Aug 2011, at 17:17, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I am new to this list and new to the mac mini.  I receive my e-mail and it 
 is always from newest to oldest.  Could someone tell me how to read it from 
 oldest to newest please.
 
 I know it's a stupid and elementary question but I'm a Mac baby.
 
 Oh could you tell me if my signature is going through also.
 
 Thanks.
 
 
 On Aug 22, 2011, at 10:29 PM, james Walton wrote:
 
 the file is locked, and i am tired, so i am going to just leave it alone 
 for the night.
 don't want to screw anything up!
 
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itunes issue

2011-08-23 Thread Denise Avant
hi all,
i notice some improvement with the newest version of itunes. but i still cannot 
arrow up and down in my songs list, though i am set to list view. i am running 
snow leopard.
i am wondering if others have found this to be the case? thanks.

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Re: itunes issue

2011-08-23 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

This might be a sill question but, do you have quick nav on?

Ricardo Walker
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On Aug 23, 2011, at 7:38 PM, Denise Avant wrote:

 hi all,
 i notice some improvement with the newest version of itunes. but i still 
 cannot arrow up and down in my songs list, though i am set to list view. i am 
 running snow leopard.
 i am wondering if others have found this to be the case? thanks.
 
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Re: safari

2011-08-23 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

before quitting safari with command Q, press command option W to close all 
windows.  This way, only your designated homepage will open the next time you 
launch Safari.

Ricardo Walker
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 with Safari in lion how do I set it so when i lunch it it go toe the home 
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Re: editing commands?

2011-08-23 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

I would recommend using command left and right arrow to move to the beginning 
or end of a line.  It works more consistently in my opinion.

Ricardo Walker
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On Aug 23, 2011, at 6:34 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:

 Move left one character: left arrow,
 move right one character: right arrow,
 Move left one word: option left arrow,
 Move right one word: option right arrow,
 Move to the beginning of the line: control left arrow,
 Move to the end of the line: control right arrow,
 Move  to the previous paragraph option uparrow,
 Move to the next paragraph: option down arrow,
 Note that a paragraph is marked by a singal hard return,
 Move to top of document: command up arrow,
 Move to end of document: command down arrow,
 
 To select by any of the above increments add shift.  For example to move 
 right one word press option right arrow.  To select one word to the right 
 press option shift uparrow.
 Select all: command A,
 Undo: command Z,
 Cut: command X,
 Copy: command C,
 Paste: command V,
 Backspace: backspace,
 Delete: fn Backspace,
 
 Hope this helps,
 
 
 
 Erik Burggraaf
 This month in Ebony Promos: Two new gps systems for demo. Mac OS Lion When 
 will it be supported?  Ebony Consulting at accessibility Unconference 
 Toronto. To read more and subscribe, Visit:
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 On 2011-08-23, at 6:19 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 Sorry for the flood of emails.
 When editing, such as in an email or edit field on a webpage, how does one 
 move around? I know that quick nav must be off, that left and right arrows 
 move by character, and that up and down move by line, but that is it.  I 
 expected home/end to move to the start or end of the current line, 
 respectively, but that does not seem to be the case.  What are common 
 commands, like start/end of line, up/down a paragraph, move by word, spell 
 current word or line, and so forth? Thanks.
 
 Have a great day,
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Mike H a question regarding you toob and the mac.

2011-08-23 Thread Mike Huckabay
Hi there dus anny one know of a good utility for the mac to play, manage 
subscriptions and more that is accessible for the mac?
Just wondering what other's are using to watch you toob videos.

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Re: editing commands?

2011-08-23 Thread Alex Hall
Thanks everyone. So it is all about the arrow keys, and which
modifiers are used. That makes more sense than the window model,
actually. Now all I have to do is remember all of those modifiers...

On 8/23/11, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I would recommend using command left and right arrow to move to the
 beginning or end of a line.  It works more consistently in my opinion.

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 On Aug 23, 2011, at 6:34 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:

 Move left one character: left arrow,
 move right one character: right arrow,
 Move left one word: option left arrow,
 Move right one word: option right arrow,
 Move to the beginning of the line: control left arrow,
 Move to the end of the line: control right arrow,
 Move  to the previous paragraph option uparrow,
 Move to the next paragraph: option down arrow,
 Note that a paragraph is marked by a singal hard return,
 Move to top of document: command up arrow,
 Move to end of document: command down arrow,

 To select by any of the above increments add shift.  For example to move
 right one word press option right arrow.  To select one word to the right
 press option shift uparrow.
 Select all: command A,
 Undo: command Z,
 Cut: command X,
 Copy: command C,
 Paste: command V,
 Backspace: backspace,
 Delete: fn Backspace,

 Hope this helps,



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 On 2011-08-23, at 6:19 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

 Hi all,
 Sorry for the flood of emails.
 When editing, such as in an email or edit field on a webpage, how does
 one move around? I know that quick nav must be off, that left and right
 arrows move by character, and that up and down move by line, but that is
 it.  I expected home/end to move to the start or end of the current line,
 respectively, but that does not seem to be the case.  What are common
 commands, like start/end of line, up/down a paragraph, move by word,
 spell current word or line, and so forth? Thanks.

 Have a great day,
 Alex (msg sent from BrailleNote
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Re: Lion DVD ore USB?

2011-08-23 Thread Georges Zaynoun
I created that dvd using the installesd.dmg and with all certainty I 
can confirm it is not the complete os, as I used it on 3 machines, on a 
macbook early 2009 it wanted to sign into the app store to download 
components, same dvd on a macmini standard configuration and an imac 
from last year it worked perfectly.  Wished I could modify it so it 
behaves like the ones purchased when snow leopard came.

Original message:

The DVD, which you download from the AppStore, is 3.82GB, it is also by
chance, if you have it as a USB key, i meen, do you get the entire OS X
drive where you can also say custumise during installation?
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 2:06 AM
Subject: Re: Lion DVD ore USB?




There's no need to buy it, you can get a flash drive and make your own.
You can use the lion recovery assistant application from apple to do this.
I used an old 1 GB flash drive I had around here, works well.
On Aug 22, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Hayri Tulumcu wrote:



Hello folks. I have some questions about Lion.
1st If I buy Lion on a USB key, should i be connected to the Internet
when the install because it says download extra components?
2nd Will it do so if I buy it on
a USB key?
3rd The DVD, which you download from the AppStore, is 3.82GB, it is also
by chance, if you have it as a USB key, i meen, do you get the entire OS
X drive where you can also say custumise during
installation?



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Re: Making an mp3 with lion?

2011-08-23 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

Here's what you do.  BTW, the same option exists in Snow Leopard.  Go to system 
prefs and select keyboard.  Now select the keyboard shortcuts tab.  In the 
first table you encounter, choose services.  Now in the second table interact, 
then arrow down to add to iTunes as a spoken track Make sure the checkbox for 
this is checked.  In column 3 of this table is an edit field.  If you interact 
with this, and preform a mouse click (providing you've moved the mouse cursor 
to the spot) you can input a keyboard shortcut for the action.  For example, 
you can press command option A in the edit field and pressing that would send 
the selected text to iTunes as an audio file.

Once you have at least the action enabled via the checkbox, it should show up 
in the menu bar underneath the applications menu.  Like Mail, iTunes, Safari, 
etc.  once in here arrow down to the services sub menu.  Use VO down arrow to 
find the Add to iTunes option.  I suggest using VO down arrow because, on 
occasion, I have experienced just using the arrow keys will skip over this 
option for some strange reason.

hth  .

Ricardo Walker
rwalker...@gmail.com
Twitter  Skype: rwalker296
www.mobileaccess.org

On Aug 23, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote:

 Hello, all. I don't know if I'm misunderstanding, or if I just dreamed this 
 feature existed, but I thought I read somewhere
 that with lion, one could make an mp3 out of a document. I have a file which 
 I'd love to have Alex read as an mp3, but can't
 figure out how to do it. I checked the context menu when the file was 
 selected, but didn't see any relevant options. Do I
 need special software similar to text aloud to make this happen on my mac, or 
 am I just not looking in the right place to
 find the feature? I understand that I can't create a multi-voice file the 
 same way I can using text aloud on my PC, but just
 having Alex read something into mp3 format would be more than adequate for 
 now. Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me
 figure this out, and I hope that everyone is having a great day!
 Missy
 
 
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Re: progress indicators?

2011-08-23 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

no there isn't.  but, if you navigate to the progress indicater, pressing VO A 
will read the progress.

hth

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On Aug 23, 2011, at 6:08 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

 Hi all,
 I set vo to play a tone when a progress indicator changes.  I thought this 
 would give me rising tones, much like the NVDA screen reader has.  Instead, I 
 seem to only get a click every second, and only when the vo cursor is on an 
 indicator.  This means I have no way to know how far along something like a 
 webpage load is, or a program installation.  Is there any way to set things 
 to play tones that actually provide information, and not when you are lucky 
 enough to find the indicator?
 
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Office VS IWorks

2011-08-23 Thread Joanne Chua
Hi all,

as i'm getting a new 13inch 2.7 processer mac book pro from my
university, and i'm fairly new with Mac, and they are requesting me to
provide them with a list of programs that i want to be loaded, i'm
wondering what sort of program that is a must for a university student
to have?

i've request to have ABBY Reader, and they have perchase that for me,
however, , i'm wondering with the choice between office and IWork,
which will be better for my needs? i do alot of word processing tasks,
also, presentation tasks as i'm also a trainer and assessor by
occupation. what is the main different between office and iwork beside
one from MS , and one from Apple?

any other program suggestion will be also much appreciated.

thanks

cheers

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Re: Office VS IWorks

2011-08-23 Thread Kristyn Leigh
Office for Mac is not accessible with VoiceOver.  

On Aug 23, 2011, at 8:47 PM, Joanne Chua wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 as i'm getting a new 13inch 2.7 processer mac book pro from my
 university, and i'm fairly new with Mac, and they are requesting me to
 provide them with a list of programs that i want to be loaded, i'm
 wondering what sort of program that is a must for a university student
 to have?
 
 i've request to have ABBY Reader, and they have perchase that for me,
 however, , i'm wondering with the choice between office and IWork,
 which will be better for my needs? i do alot of word processing tasks,
 also, presentation tasks as i'm also a trainer and assessor by
 occupation. what is the main different between office and iwork beside
 one from MS , and one from Apple?
 
 any other program suggestion will be also much appreciated.
 
 thanks
 
 cheers
 
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Re: Office VS IWorks

2011-08-23 Thread Red.Falcon
Hi Joanne!
ms office is not useable on the Mac unless you set up windows as another part 
of your Mac!
Look at posts about bootcamp or fusion!
hth Colin

On 24 Aug 2011, at 01:47, Joanne Chua wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 as i'm getting a new 13inch 2.7 processor mac book pro from my
 university, and i'm fairly new with Mac, and they are requesting me to
 provide them with a list of programs that i want to be loaded, i'm
 wondering what sort of program that is a must for a university student
 to have?
 
 i've request to have ABBY Reader, and they have purchase that for me,
 however, , i'm wondering with the choice between office and IWork,
 which will be better for my needs? i do a lot of word processing tasks,
 also, presentation tasks as i'm also a trainer and assessor by
 occupation. what is the main different between office and iwork beside
 one from MS , and one from Apple?
 
 any other program suggestion will be also much appreciated.
 
 thanks
 
 cheers
 
 Joanne (Australia)
 
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Re: Office VS IWorks

2011-08-23 Thread Joanne Chua
hi all!

thanks alot for the news. i appreciate it alot :)
after read about the emails here, i just made a quick call to my
disability team on campus and just in time for them to change it
before they perchase Office for Mac.

for sure, i'll have plenty of question and problems ahead of me as i'm
migrating to Mac.

any help is very much appreciated.

thanks very much.

JC.

On 24/08/2011, Red.Falcon velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com wrote:
 Hi Joanne!
 ms office is not useable on the Mac unless you set up windows as another
 part of your Mac!
 Look at posts about bootcamp or fusion!
 hth Colin

 On 24 Aug 2011, at 01:47, Joanne Chua wrote:

 Hi all,

 as i'm getting a new 13inch 2.7 processor mac book pro from my
 university, and i'm fairly new with Mac, and they are requesting me to
 provide them with a list of programs that i want to be loaded, i'm
 wondering what sort of program that is a must for a university student
 to have?

 i've request to have ABBY Reader, and they have purchase that for me,
 however, , i'm wondering with the choice between office and IWork,
 which will be better for my needs? i do a lot of word processing tasks,
 also, presentation tasks as i'm also a trainer and assessor by
 occupation. what is the main different between office and iwork beside
 one from MS , and one from Apple?

 any other program suggestion will be also much appreciated.

 thanks

 cheers

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RE: Making an mp3 with lion?

2011-08-23 Thread Missy Hoppe
Thank you for sending such detailed instructions! If this works in Snow 
Leopard, I might try it there; I've been playing
around in lion for the past hour or so, and haven't been able to get anywhere. 
I think I was messing up regarding that third
column, so I'll have to try to look at that again when my brain is a little 
more functional. I'm almost tempted to see if
anyone who has dropbox could convert this file to an mp3 for me, but now that 
you've given me steps to try, I shall keep
trying to fight with it. Thank you very much for your response, and I hope that 
you're having a great day!
Missy



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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 8:43 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Making an mp3 with lion?

Hi,

Here's what you do.  BTW, the same option exists in Snow Leopard.  Go to system 
prefs and select keyboard.  Now select the
keyboard shortcuts tab.  In the first table you encounter, choose services.  
Now in the second table interact, then arrow
down to add to iTunes as a spoken track Make sure the checkbox for this is 
checked.  In column 3 of this table is an edit
field.  If you interact with this, and preform a mouse click (providing you've 
moved the mouse cursor to the spot) you can
input a keyboard shortcut for the action.  For example, you can press command 
option A in the edit field and pressing that
would send the selected text to iTunes as an audio file.

Once you have at least the action enabled via the checkbox, it should show up 
in the menu bar underneath the applications
menu.  Like Mail, iTunes, Safari, etc.  once in here arrow down to the services 
sub menu.  Use VO down arrow to find the Add
to iTunes option.  I suggest using VO down arrow because, on occasion, I have 
experienced just using the arrow keys will skip
over this option for some strange reason.

hth  .

Ricardo Walker
rwalker...@gmail.com
Twitter  Skype: rwalker296
www.mobileaccess.org

On Aug 23, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote:

 Hello, all. I don't know if I'm misunderstanding, or if I just dreamed
 this feature existed, but I thought I read somewhere that with lion,
 one could make an mp3 out of a document. I have a file which I'd love
 to have Alex read as an mp3, but can't figure out how to do it. I
 checked the context menu when the file was selected, but didn't see
 any relevant options. Do I need special software similar to text aloud
 to make this happen on my mac, or am I just not looking in the right place to 
 find the feature? I understand that I can't
create a multi-voice file the same way I can using text aloud on my PC, but 
just having Alex read something into mp3 format
would be more than adequate for now. Thanks in advance to anyone who can help 
me figure this out, and I hope that everyone is
having a great day!
 Missy


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Re: Making an mp3 with lion?

2011-08-23 Thread Ricardo Walker
No problem,

BTW, I should have mentioned this before.  When you do the text to audio 
conversion, it makes an AAC file by default.  You can always create an mp3 
version afterwards of course.

hth

Ricardo Walker
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Twitter  Skype: rwalker296
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On Aug 23, 2011, at 9:13 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote:

 Thank you for sending such detailed instructions! If this works in Snow 
 Leopard, I might try it there; I've been playing
 around in lion for the past hour or so, and haven't been able to get 
 anywhere. I think I was messing up regarding that third
 column, so I'll have to try to look at that again when my brain is a little 
 more functional. I'm almost tempted to see if
 anyone who has dropbox could convert this file to an mp3 for me, but now that 
 you've given me steps to try, I shall keep
 trying to fight with it. Thank you very much for your response, and I hope 
 that you're having a great day!
 Missy
 
 
 
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 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
 Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 8:43 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Making an mp3 with lion?
 
 Hi,
 
 Here's what you do.  BTW, the same option exists in Snow Leopard.  Go to 
 system prefs and select keyboard.  Now select the
 keyboard shortcuts tab.  In the first table you encounter, choose services.  
 Now in the second table interact, then arrow
 down to add to iTunes as a spoken track Make sure the checkbox for this is 
 checked.  In column 3 of this table is an edit
 field.  If you interact with this, and preform a mouse click (providing 
 you've moved the mouse cursor to the spot) you can
 input a keyboard shortcut for the action.  For example, you can press command 
 option A in the edit field and pressing that
 would send the selected text to iTunes as an audio file.
 
 Once you have at least the action enabled via the checkbox, it should show up 
 in the menu bar underneath the applications
 menu.  Like Mail, iTunes, Safari, etc.  once in here arrow down to the 
 services sub menu.  Use VO down arrow to find the Add
 to iTunes option.  I suggest using VO down arrow because, on occasion, I have 
 experienced just using the arrow keys will skip
 over this option for some strange reason.
 
 hth  .
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter  Skype: rwalker296
 www.mobileaccess.org
 
 On Aug 23, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote:
 
 Hello, all. I don't know if I'm misunderstanding, or if I just dreamed
 this feature existed, but I thought I read somewhere that with lion,
 one could make an mp3 out of a document. I have a file which I'd love
 to have Alex read as an mp3, but can't figure out how to do it. I
 checked the context menu when the file was selected, but didn't see
 any relevant options. Do I need special software similar to text aloud
 to make this happen on my mac, or am I just not looking in the right place 
 to find the feature? I understand that I can't
 create a multi-voice file the same way I can using text aloud on my PC, but 
 just having Alex read something into mp3 format
 would be more than adequate for now. Thanks in advance to anyone who can help 
 me figure this out, and I hope that everyone is
 having a great day!
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Re: Making an mp3 with lion?

2011-08-23 Thread chad baker
hi i'm having trouble making a mp3 i defined a keyboard shortcut its not working
i checked the menu bar but no luck
i opened a rtf file and selected all the text then looked for the command in 
the menu bar no luck and tried my shortcut no luck there
any suggestions
thanks
On Aug 23, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

 No problem,
 
 BTW, I should have mentioned this before.  When you do the text to audio 
 conversion, it makes an AAC file by default.  You can always create an mp3 
 version afterwards of course.
 
 hth
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter  Skype: rwalker296
 www.mobileaccess.org
 
 On Aug 23, 2011, at 9:13 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote:
 
 Thank you for sending such detailed instructions! If this works in Snow 
 Leopard, I might try it there; I've been playing
 around in lion for the past hour or so, and haven't been able to get 
 anywhere. I think I was messing up regarding that third
 column, so I'll have to try to look at that again when my brain is a little 
 more functional. I'm almost tempted to see if
 anyone who has dropbox could convert this file to an mp3 for me, but now 
 that you've given me steps to try, I shall keep
 trying to fight with it. Thank you very much for your response, and I hope 
 that you're having a great day!
 Missy
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
 Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 8:43 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Making an mp3 with lion?
 
 Hi,
 
 Here's what you do.  BTW, the same option exists in Snow Leopard.  Go to 
 system prefs and select keyboard.  Now select the
 keyboard shortcuts tab.  In the first table you encounter, choose services.  
 Now in the second table interact, then arrow
 down to add to iTunes as a spoken track Make sure the checkbox for this is 
 checked.  In column 3 of this table is an edit
 field.  If you interact with this, and preform a mouse click (providing 
 you've moved the mouse cursor to the spot) you can
 input a keyboard shortcut for the action.  For example, you can press 
 command option A in the edit field and pressing that
 would send the selected text to iTunes as an audio file.
 
 Once you have at least the action enabled via the checkbox, it should show 
 up in the menu bar underneath the applications
 menu.  Like Mail, iTunes, Safari, etc.  once in here arrow down to the 
 services sub menu.  Use VO down arrow to find the Add
 to iTunes option.  I suggest using VO down arrow because, on occasion, I 
 have experienced just using the arrow keys will skip
 over this option for some strange reason.
 
 hth  .
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter  Skype: rwalker296
 www.mobileaccess.org
 
 On Aug 23, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote:
 
 Hello, all. I don't know if I'm misunderstanding, or if I just dreamed
 this feature existed, but I thought I read somewhere that with lion,
 one could make an mp3 out of a document. I have a file which I'd love
 to have Alex read as an mp3, but can't figure out how to do it. I
 checked the context menu when the file was selected, but didn't see
 any relevant options. Do I need special software similar to text aloud
 to make this happen on my mac, or am I just not looking in the right place 
 to find the feature? I understand that I can't
 create a multi-voice file the same way I can using text aloud on my PC, but 
 just having Alex read something into mp3 format
 would be more than adequate for now. Thanks in advance to anyone who can 
 help me figure this out, and I hope that everyone is
 having a great day!
 Missy
 
 
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RE: Making an mp3 with lion?

2011-08-23 Thread Missy Hoppe
Thanks! That's good to know. Any idea approximately how long the process takes? 
It's supposedly working on it now, but I'm
afraid to touch anything until I know the process is complete. Your 
instructions worked perfectly under Snow Leopard by the
way; maybe I will attempt it with Lion again some day now that I know what I'm 
doing.
Thanks again, and I hope you're having a great night!
Missy
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:05 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Making an mp3 with lion?

No problem,

BTW, I should have mentioned this before.  When you do the text to audio 
conversion, it makes an AAC file by default.  You
can always create an mp3 version afterwards of course.

hth

Ricardo Walker
rwalker...@gmail.com
Twitter  Skype: rwalker296
www.mobileaccess.org

On Aug 23, 2011, at 9:13 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote:

 Thank you for sending such detailed instructions! If this works in
 Snow Leopard, I might try it there; I've been playing around in lion
 for the past hour or so, and haven't been able to get anywhere. I
 think I was messing up regarding that third column, so I'll have to
 try to look at that again when my brain is a little more functional. I'm 
 almost tempted to see if anyone who has dropbox
could convert this file to an mp3 for me, but now that you've given me steps to 
try, I shall keep trying to fight with it.
Thank you very much for your response, and I hope that you're having a great 
day!
 Missy



 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
 Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 8:43 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Making an mp3 with lion?

 Hi,

 Here's what you do.  BTW, the same option exists in Snow Leopard.  Go
 to system prefs and select keyboard.  Now select the keyboard
 shortcuts tab.  In the first table you encounter, choose services.
 Now in the second table interact, then arrow down to add to iTunes as
 a spoken track Make sure the checkbox for this is checked.  In column
 3 of this table is an edit field.  If you interact with this, and preform a 
 mouse click (providing you've moved the mouse
cursor to the spot) you can input a keyboard shortcut for the action.  For 
example, you can press command option A in the
edit field and pressing that would send the selected text to iTunes as an audio 
file.

 Once you have at least the action enabled via the checkbox, it should
 show up in the menu bar underneath the applications menu.  Like Mail,
 iTunes, Safari, etc.  once in here arrow down to the services sub
 menu.  Use VO down arrow to find the Add to iTunes option.  I suggest using 
 VO down arrow because, on occasion, I have
experienced just using the arrow keys will skip over this option for some 
strange reason.

 hth  .

 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter  Skype: rwalker296
 www.mobileaccess.org

 On Aug 23, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote:

 Hello, all. I don't know if I'm misunderstanding, or if I just
 dreamed this feature existed, but I thought I read somewhere that
 with lion, one could make an mp3 out of a document. I have a file
 which I'd love to have Alex read as an mp3, but can't figure out how
 to do it. I checked the context menu when the file was selected, but
 didn't see any relevant options. Do I need special software similar
 to text aloud to make this happen on my mac, or am I just not looking
 in the right place to find the feature? I understand that I can't
 create a multi-voice file the same way I can using text aloud on my
 PC, but just having Alex read something into mp3 format would be more
 than adequate for now. Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me figure 
 this out, and I hope that everyone is having a
great day!
 Missy


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add to iTunes as a spoken track

2011-08-23 Thread chad baker
hi i can't add anything as a spoken track in iTunes
i followed ricardo's instructions add to iTunes as a spoken track isn't showing 
up in the menu bar

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RE: Making an mp3 with lion?

2011-08-23 Thread Missy Hoppe
Hello again. Sorry to bother you, but how do I convert the file that imports 
into Itunes into an mp3, or even an .ogg. I
copied the file, which was insanely huge by the way, onto a flash drive so that 
I could convert it in gold wave, but it's an
m4A or something like that, and goldwave can't open it. I know absolutely 
nothing about Itunes, but if you could please tell
me how to convert this file into a format I can use on my booksense or NLS 
player, I would really, really appreciate it.
Thanks again, and I hope that you're having a great day!
Missy


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:05 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Making an mp3 with lion?

No problem,

BTW, I should have mentioned this before.  When you do the text to audio 
conversion, it makes an AAC file by default.  You
can always create an mp3 version afterwards of course.

hth

Ricardo Walker
rwalker...@gmail.com
Twitter  Skype: rwalker296
www.mobileaccess.org

On Aug 23, 2011, at 9:13 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote:

 Thank you for sending such detailed instructions! If this works in
 Snow Leopard, I might try it there; I've been playing around in lion
 for the past hour or so, and haven't been able to get anywhere. I
 think I was messing up regarding that third column, so I'll have to
 try to look at that again when my brain is a little more functional. I'm 
 almost tempted to see if anyone who has dropbox
could convert this file to an mp3 for me, but now that you've given me steps to 
try, I shall keep trying to fight with it.
Thank you very much for your response, and I hope that you're having a great 
day!
 Missy



 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
 Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 8:43 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Making an mp3 with lion?

 Hi,

 Here's what you do.  BTW, the same option exists in Snow Leopard.  Go
 to system prefs and select keyboard.  Now select the keyboard
 shortcuts tab.  In the first table you encounter, choose services.
 Now in the second table interact, then arrow down to add to iTunes as
 a spoken track Make sure the checkbox for this is checked.  In column
 3 of this table is an edit field.  If you interact with this, and preform a 
 mouse click (providing you've moved the mouse
cursor to the spot) you can input a keyboard shortcut for the action.  For 
example, you can press command option A in the
edit field and pressing that would send the selected text to iTunes as an audio 
file.

 Once you have at least the action enabled via the checkbox, it should
 show up in the menu bar underneath the applications menu.  Like Mail,
 iTunes, Safari, etc.  once in here arrow down to the services sub
 menu.  Use VO down arrow to find the Add to iTunes option.  I suggest using 
 VO down arrow because, on occasion, I have
experienced just using the arrow keys will skip over this option for some 
strange reason.

 hth  .

 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter  Skype: rwalker296
 www.mobileaccess.org

 On Aug 23, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote:

 Hello, all. I don't know if I'm misunderstanding, or if I just
 dreamed this feature existed, but I thought I read somewhere that
 with lion, one could make an mp3 out of a document. I have a file
 which I'd love to have Alex read as an mp3, but can't figure out how
 to do it. I checked the context menu when the file was selected, but
 didn't see any relevant options. Do I need special software similar
 to text aloud to make this happen on my mac, or am I just not looking
 in the right place to find the feature? I understand that I can't
 create a multi-voice file the same way I can using text aloud on my
 PC, but just having Alex read something into mp3 format would be more
 than adequate for now. Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me figure 
 this out, and I hope that everyone is having a
great day!
 Missy


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Re: Office VS IWorks

2011-08-23 Thread Mike Arrigo
Go with iwork, microsoft office on the mac is not accessible, you could also 
try open office, which is free. Iwork is able to open and save Microsoft Office 
files, but if you need to use office natively, consider installing windows on 
your mac.
On Aug 23, 2011, at 7:47 PM, Joanne Chua wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 as i'm getting a new 13inch 2.7 processer mac book pro from my
 university, and i'm fairly new with Mac, and they are requesting me to
 provide them with a list of programs that i want to be loaded, i'm
 wondering what sort of program that is a must for a university student
 to have?
 
 i've request to have ABBY Reader, and they have perchase that for me,
 however, , i'm wondering with the choice between office and IWork,
 which will be better for my needs? i do alot of word processing tasks,
 also, presentation tasks as i'm also a trainer and assessor by
 occupation. what is the main different between office and iwork beside
 one from MS , and one from Apple?
 
 any other program suggestion will be also much appreciated.
 
 thanks
 
 cheers
 
 Joanne (Australia)
 
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Re: safari

2011-08-23 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

1.  In Safari Prefs in the General pane, set New Windows to open with Homepage.
2.  In System prefs in the General pane, uncheck the checkbox related to 
Restore Windows when Quitting and Reopening Apps.

In most cases that will do it.  Some people have had to also set the Remember 
Recent Apps in the General pane of System Prefs to None as well.  This 
setting is usually temporary but seems to help modify the settings properly.

Later…

On 2011-08-23, at 4:50 PM, craig J Dunlop wrote:

 
 with Safari in lion how do I set it so when i lunch it it go toe the home 
 page instead of the last page visited?
 
 
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Re: itunes issue

2011-08-23 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi Denise,

Arrow navigation does now work properly in Lion and the navigation through the 
Music Library has also reverted to regular no hesitation as in previous 
versions of iTunes..  In the Software Update notes pertaining to iTunes, it 
mentions that it is now fully compatible to Lion which leads me to believe that 
these fixes may not specifically improve performance in Snow Leopard.  I'll 
locate a Snow Leopard machine tomorrow and try to confirm this.

Later…

On 2011-08-23, at 5:38 PM, Denise Avant wrote:

 hi all,
 i notice some improvement with the newest version of itunes. but i still 
 cannot arrow up and down in my songs list, though i am set to list view. i am 
 running snow leopard.
 i am wondering if others have found this to be the case? thanks.
 
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growl mail me notification

2011-08-23 Thread james Walton
hi everyone,
has anyone ever figured how to configure out how to set up the mail me 
notification for growl
thanks

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Re: Making an mp3 with lion?

2011-08-23 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

There's a couple ways you can do it.  You can convert with iTunes.  Open up 
iTunes and then open up iTunes prefs with command comma.  Then find the import 
settings button (which is found under the general tab) and select the file type 
you want iTunes to use for conversion.  Once you've selected mp3, and the 
quality you want, press ok.  Now find the text to audio file in iTunes and go 
to advanced in the menu bar.  You will find an option to convert to mp3.  You 
can also interact with the table and bring up the context menu to find the same 
option.  You can also use garageband but, I think thats more involved.

Ricardo Walker
rwalker...@gmail.com
Twitter  Skype: rwalker296
www.mobileaccess.org

On Aug 23, 2011, at 11:13 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote:

 Hello again. Sorry to bother you, but how do I convert the file that imports 
 into Itunes into an mp3, or even an .ogg. I
 copied the file, which was insanely huge by the way, onto a flash drive so 
 that I could convert it in gold wave, but it's an
 m4A or something like that, and goldwave can't open it. I know absolutely 
 nothing about Itunes, but if you could please tell
 me how to convert this file into a format I can use on my booksense or NLS 
 player, I would really, really appreciate it.
 Thanks again, and I hope that you're having a great day!
 Missy
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
 Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:05 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Making an mp3 with lion?
 
 No problem,
 
 BTW, I should have mentioned this before.  When you do the text to audio 
 conversion, it makes an AAC file by default.  You
 can always create an mp3 version afterwards of course.
 
 hth
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter  Skype: rwalker296
 www.mobileaccess.org
 
 On Aug 23, 2011, at 9:13 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote:
 
 Thank you for sending such detailed instructions! If this works in
 Snow Leopard, I might try it there; I've been playing around in lion
 for the past hour or so, and haven't been able to get anywhere. I
 think I was messing up regarding that third column, so I'll have to
 try to look at that again when my brain is a little more functional. I'm 
 almost tempted to see if anyone who has dropbox
 could convert this file to an mp3 for me, but now that you've given me steps 
 to try, I shall keep trying to fight with it.
 Thank you very much for your response, and I hope that you're having a great 
 day!
 Missy
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
 Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 8:43 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Making an mp3 with lion?
 
 Hi,
 
 Here's what you do.  BTW, the same option exists in Snow Leopard.  Go
 to system prefs and select keyboard.  Now select the keyboard
 shortcuts tab.  In the first table you encounter, choose services.
 Now in the second table interact, then arrow down to add to iTunes as
 a spoken track Make sure the checkbox for this is checked.  In column
 3 of this table is an edit field.  If you interact with this, and preform a 
 mouse click (providing you've moved the mouse
 cursor to the spot) you can input a keyboard shortcut for the action.  For 
 example, you can press command option A in the
 edit field and pressing that would send the selected text to iTunes as an 
 audio file.
 
 Once you have at least the action enabled via the checkbox, it should
 show up in the menu bar underneath the applications menu.  Like Mail,
 iTunes, Safari, etc.  once in here arrow down to the services sub
 menu.  Use VO down arrow to find the Add to iTunes option.  I suggest using 
 VO down arrow because, on occasion, I have
 experienced just using the arrow keys will skip over this option for some 
 strange reason.
 
 hth  .
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter  Skype: rwalker296
 www.mobileaccess.org
 
 On Aug 23, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote:
 
 Hello, all. I don't know if I'm misunderstanding, or if I just
 dreamed this feature existed, but I thought I read somewhere that
 with lion, one could make an mp3 out of a document. I have a file
 which I'd love to have Alex read as an mp3, but can't figure out how
 to do it. I checked the context menu when the file was selected, but
 didn't see any relevant options. Do I need special software similar
 to text aloud to make this happen on my mac, or am I just not looking
 in the right place to find the feature? I understand that I can't
 create a multi-voice file the same way I can using text aloud on my
 PC, but just having Alex read something into mp3 format would be more
 than adequate for now. Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me figure 
 this out, and I hope that everyone is having a
 great day!
 Missy
 
 
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Re: OpenOffice?

2011-08-23 Thread Adie


Hello

I tried OO a couple of years back when I was having trouble working on
a common document with a sighted friend who was using Word on a fairly
old Windows OS and wasn't all that tech minded. It worked well for
that purpose, although I preferred Text Edit as a much simpler way of
going about things.

I tried to use a more recent version and I then found all the problems
with text blocks to which some of you have referred. Can't speak about
tables.

I would say two things about OO. Maybe we all should report this
difficulty and at least you can do a word count in OO, which I have
never been able to find in Text Edit.

Best

A

On Aug 23, 3:08 pm, Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote:
 Just finished downloading Libre Office and it still has the table
 problem. I insert a new 2 by 2 table and as I navigate the cells they
 are all announced as Edit Text so there is no way to know which row of
 column I'm in. Well, there is the trick I posted about a while back of
 setting a live region in the region at the bottom of the page which does
 give the letter/number position inside the table, but I shouldn't have
 to do that.

 I tried VO-A on a document and it only read the first paragraph. I could
 VO-down and read each paragraph as a block but not the whole document. I
 was able to position my cursor at the beginning of a paragraph and
 shift-down to select it and a couple paragraphs after that which I could
 then cut, move somewhere else and paste, so that seemed to work ok. It
 also announced every blank line between paragraphs as Edit Text which
 is kind of verbose. Would rather have it just say blank.

 CB

 On 8/23/11 5:35 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:







  Hi,
  When i tried Openoffice i found a couple of show stoppers:
  the paragraphs or even new lines were presented as separate edit boxes 
  making it impossible to read using the say all command vo+a. I couldn't 
  select long blocks of text to delete, move or otherwise manipulate, thereby 
  making this function practically useless. This is in the openoffice word 
  processor. Since others can use it, it would be nice to know what in the 
  world i do wrong, or if there's some setting somewhere i need to change. I 
  definitely prefer Pages for word processing, though i mostly do simple text 
  writing, so textedit is enough for me.
  /Krister

  22 aug 2011 kl. 19:05 skrev Chris Blouch:

  While I only played with it a bit in the word processor I found table 
  navigation was difficult because it wouldn't announce what row or column I 
  was in or at least what heading I was under. Lots of the other stuff 
  worked decently. It's free so why not just download it and give it a whirl?

  CB

  On 8/21/11 4:21 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
  Hi all,
  I heard that OpenOffice will work with vo.  What limitations are there to 
  this support? In Windows, OO is all but unuseable, and I wonder if vo 
  will run into any problems of which I should be aware before I try it.  
  TIA.  Oh, I am not willing to spend money on Pages or any of the others, 
  especially since I now have my mac set to dual boot with Win7 and I have 
  an MS Office installation I can put on if I need it.  Of course, though, 
  I want to do as much as possible in mac.

  Have a great day,
  Alex (msg sent from BrailleNote
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Re: time script

2011-08-23 Thread Shen
I have also noticed a lag in Lion as well. When I was using Snow Leopard, 
VoiceOver responds instantly when I press the keyboard commander for the time 
script. Now in Lion, I've experienced at least a 1.5 second lag.
And yes, I have checked allow VoiceOver to be controlled by Apple Script.


On Aug 23, 2011, at 6:22 AM, craig J Dunlop wrote:

 I git that too. and then it only reads the 12 hour time even though my 
 macbook is set for 24 hour.
 
 On Aug 22, 2011, at 9:26 PM, Candie Stiles wrote:
 
 Yes I've experienced the very same thing. Some times I need to press the key 
 combination twice before getting a response.
 On Aug 22, 2011, at 7:24 PM, james Walton wrote:
 
 hi everyone,
 who here has problems with they do the time script, it takes at least like 
 2 or 3 seconds to even speak the time and date?
 
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