Re: Voices

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hey Gigi. I'm not sure what you meant by "Voices that sighted people like to 
put on the Mac sometimes." Usually if a sighted person uses a computer, they 
don't need Voice Over or other screen readers. But if I had to guess, would you 
be referring to the Acapela voices? If so, go to assistiveware's website and 
you can download a 30 day demo of these voices. However, if you want to buy 
these voices, it's $99 for the first language pack. There's also Cepstral but I 
don't recommend those voices. HTH.

Shawn" 

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RE: Statistics Pro (currently free) iOS alternative to SPSS for Mac [Re: SPSS for Mac?]

[Bejarano, Rafael P.]

Sounds like an app certainly worth checking out.  Thanks for the detailed 
description.

Rafael

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Esther [mori...@mac.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 8:57 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Cc: viph...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Statistics Pro (currently free) iOS alternative to SPSS for Mac [Re: 
SPSS for Mac?]

Hi Rafael and Al Puzzoli,

If either of you or the student that Al speaks of has access to an iOS device, 
there are currently some free math educational apps for iPhone, iPod Touch, and 
iPad that appear to be accessible and capable of doing statistics.  There may 
be others. but the one that I just tried out because it has currently gone free 
(usually $0.99) is called "Statistics Pro" by Larry Feldman:
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/statistics-pro/id353217077?mt=8
I've tried the first few modules on Data Analysis and Linear Regression, and 
these seem to work accessibly.  I'd recommend using a Bluetooth Keyboard and 
turning QuickNav on for data entry navigation.  There are a few caveats.  
First, the data are limited in the number of points that can be handled, with a 
maximum of 30 data entries, and also a minimum number of data points for some 
functions (or you obviously won't be able to calculate some statistical 
measures like variance).  The "Data Points" text box will tell you the allowed 
range of number of data points.  You must enter a number here before you double 
tap the "Analyze" button (or activate it by pressing the up and down arrow keys 
simultaneously on a Bluetooth keyboard if QuickNav is on).  By default, empty 
entries will be treated as 0 (and this is announced at the start: "Data (blanks 
are 0)"). VoiceOver will announce the heading for the "Data Points" text box 
out of sequence if you flick through, because the data entries (x1, x2, x3, 
etc.) are in one column, and the buttons/text boxes for "Clear Data", "Data 
Points", and "Analyze" are in a second column in the top half of the screen.  
(You can verify this if you run your finger vertically down from the "Data 
(blanks are 0)" label near the top of the screen about a quarter to a third of 
the way across from the left edge; then when you are on the text box for "x1", 
move your finger horizontally to the right to the "Clear Data" button, and 
switch to moving vertically down.  You'll hear "Clear Data" button, "Data 
Points", "[4,30] text field, double tap to edit", then "Analyze" button.) So 
when you do a "read all" two finger flick up, VoiceOver will alternate between 
reading the two columns, and you'll hear the "Data (blanks are 0)" message, 
then "x1 text field", "Clear Data" button, "x2 text field", "Data Points", "x3 
text field", "[4,30] text field", "x4 text field", "capital S button", "x5 text 
field", "button", "capital R button", and "Analyze button".

I would just navigate with the keyboard to each field in sequence, and realize 
that in the previous instance I will be entering the first 3 data points (x1, 
x2, and x3) before coming to the text box for the total number of data points, 
then continue entering data values until I want to move to the "Analyze" button 
(last element in the screen, so do a four finger tap on the bottom of the 
screen to move there, or use Control+Down arrow on the keyboard).  You'll get 
announcements of the mean, standard deviation, median, maximum and outliers.  
The "capital S" button saves your entries, and "capital R" restores them.  The 
unlabeled "button" is an info button that tells you this.

There are a few other concerns.  VoiceOver reads out the text summary of the 
analysis quite well, but it won't read Greek letters (e.g., "mu" for the mean), 
or certain symbols for square root, etc.  On the Mac I handle this be sending 
the output to TextEdit.  I'm not sure  how to work around things here.  It may 
be possible to do an image capture and OCR with another app.  However, if you 
know what is going on, you can still follow the formulae results based on the 
written text summaries.  I've only done some quick testing, but this may be 
usable.  Each menu item listed in the app, such as "Data Analysis", "Linear 
Regression", "Normal Distribution", etc. has two sub menus: Solver (where you 
input values) and Tutorial (where there are general explanations of the 
concepts behind the calculation).  Try taking a look at this, and possibly 
other iOS apps for statistics.  As I noted,  this one is currently free, so you 
can experiment.  I'm cc'ing this to the viphone list, since this is an iOS app.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther



On Sep 17, 2011, at 11:31, Bejarano, Rafael P. wrote:

> I looked into SPSS a couple of years ago, and the Mac version was no more 
> accessible than the Windows version.
>
> The best bet, I think, is to write software to calculate whatever stats one 
> needs (or to have someone else do so, if one does not know how t

RE: SPSS for Mac?

[Bejarano, Rafael P.]

To be sure, knowing SPSS is of great value, but most heads of research projects 
make allowances for the lack of accessibility of the software to blind 
investigators.  Large research facilities employ statisticians, anyway.

Cordially,
Rafael Bejarano

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Robert Hooper [hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu]
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 9:29 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SPSS for Mac?

Hello:

SPSS (or any other statistical software) will soon be of great value to me, as 
I am a psychology and neuroscience major bound to do some sort of research in 
the near future. Many labs require knowledge and familiarity with SPSS in order 
to work at said lab. The ability to access such software would be of incredible 
value to those in very research-based fields. If anyone has heard or ever hears 
of accessible statistical software, please drop the list a line. I, doubtless 
along with many others, would certainly appreciate the knowledge--knowing how 
to use SPSS is a huge competitive advantage in various lab-based internships, 
assistant positions, etc. I appreciate the initiation of this thread.
Sincerely,
Robert Hooper
hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu
The Ohio State University
0653 Buckeye-Cuyahoga CT
653 Cuyahoga Court
Columbus, Ohio 43210
(740) 856-8195
Robert Hooper
hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu
The Ohio State University
553 Morrill Tower
1900 Cannon Drive
Columbus, Ohio 43210
(740) 856-8195

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Bejarano, Rafael P.
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 5:31 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SPSS for Mac?

I looked into SPSS a couple of years ago, and the Mac version was no more 
accessible than the Windows version.

The best bet, I think, is to write software to calculate whatever stats one 
needs (or to have someone else do so, if one does not know how to code).  The 
Python programming language appears to be a good candidate for this purpose.  
Your student might get some pointers as to how to go about this by reading a 
recently released book.  The author's name is Alan Downey, and the book is 
entitled Think Stats.

I wish your student luck, and please do post any useful information about 
accessible statistical software on this list.  I'm sure more than one of us 
would find such information useful.

Cordially,
Rafael Bejarano

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Al Puzzuoli [alp...@me.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 2:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: SPSS for Mac?

Just wondering if anyone has ever used the Mac version of SPSS? If so, is it 
any more accessible than the Windows version? We have a student who is fighting 
with the Windows version right now.
Thanks,
Al

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Re: Ripping cps with Amadeus?

[Paul Henrichsen]

Thanks, Eric. I guess we'll have to ask Esther if she can help by reposting 
this message. I was really bothered that I had to go through my entire music 
library removing random mp3 files that weren't supposed to be there.
The problem is most of my music is mp3 files that I brought into iTunes a few 
years ago. I don't think that iTunes converted them all to mp4 files. I just 
don't want it to add anything unless I specifically ask it to.

On Sep 16, 2011, at 6:06 PM, Eric Caron wrote:

> Paul,
> 
>   iTunes can be set up to not automatically add to library.  I have mine 
> set up that way.  Unfortunately the way to do this was not intuitive and I 
> was only able to do it with Esther's help.  somewhere in my notes I have the 
> solution.  Maybe someone can remember and share the method. 
> 
> I thought I would let you know as that might be a easier solution to your 
> needs. 
> 
> Eric Caron  
> On Sep 11, 2011, at 9:13 PM, Paul Henrichsen wrote:
> 
>> Thanks. Can Amadeus rip tracks from a cd and create mp3 files?
>> I'm concerned about doing this with iTunes as every time I open an mp3 with 
>> iTunes, it thinks it should add it to my music library so that I then have 
>> to go in and remove them.
>> Very odd since I never saw this behavior in windows.
>> If Amadeus can't rip mp3 files from a cd, what would I use other than iTunes?
>> As an example: I have the bar code reader from AT guys. There is a cd with a 
>> tutorial. 
>> If I rip the tracks from the cd or even open the resulting mp3 file with 
>> iTunes, it's going to add that mp3 to my music library for some reason.
>> So, I want to create an mp3 file off of the cd so I can then transfer that 
>> to my book sense for listening.
>> Can Amadeus rip those tracks from the cd; or do I need to look for some 
>> other program?
>> 
>> On Sep 10, 2011, at 1:54 PM, Tom Frank wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi there,
>>> Yes it does, and it does it very well. After trying to use ITunes with no 
>>> success, I broke down and actually read the Amadeus manual. It's around 
>>> page 52 where it explains how to convert tapes and records to CD.
>>> 
>>> First, place and name markers where you want different tracks. Don't forget 
>>> to put a marker at the very beginning of the file.
>>> Then, if it's a two track stereo recording, go the sounds menu and flatten 
>>> the file. 
>>> Then go back to the sounds menu and Burn the file to a CD. The option is 
>>> almost at the bottom of the Sounds menue.  Amadeus can automatically put a 
>>> two second blank spot before every track.
>>> 
>>> Also, the recommendation is that you do all of your editing in the Amadeus 
>>> format  which is true CD quality.
>>> 
>>> Happy recording.
>>> Tom Frank
>>> vermont...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 10, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Paul Henrichsen wrote:
>>> 
 Hi. Will Amadeus also rip cds as well as everything else it does?
 I'm beginning to think that I don't want to do this through iTunes as it 
 appears to add everything opened with it to the library and I wouldn't 
 want a bunch of audio tutorials or books added to my library unless I 
 specifically decided to put it there.
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how to quickly follow/unfollow people with yoru

[Anouk Radix]

Hi, I have quite a long list of people that I follow and i would like to tone 
down it a bit, but how can i quickly unfollow someone, i dont find a command 
for this in the menus?
Also can i search for people/hot/trending topics with yoru and then how can i 
start following someone/
Thanks in advance
Greetings, Anouk,

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Re: Laptop / Bluetooth vs. Standard Keyboard

[Garth Humphreys]

Hi Scot

It is not that I feel really strongly about the caps lock thing, I did my 
research prior to buying my Mac and still chose to get it. All I was saying is 
that it seemed pretty weird to me that this wasn't supported and frankly the 
sort of thing that I would have assumed would have been long ago added.  You 
are right about the quick nav keys and the trackpad commander making the VO 
keys less necessary.  

I guess my point is that I think we should make requests of apple to add 
features we believe would improve the overal user experience and efficiency of 
using theOSX  platform. This of course applies to the reporting of bugs as 
well. If something is broken or could be improved then write Apple 
Accessibility about it. This is how we can help to make things better. After 
all, things have improved since Tiger, ie, the afore mentioned quick nav and 
track pad commander have been added.  Maybe this was because of feedback maybe 
not but I would assume that if the only feedback apple got about VO was how 
wonderful it was then they would not have bothered improving it. 

I am sorry that my assertion that sugarcoating wasn't necessary was interpreted 
as rude and demanding. This was not my intent. I was just marvelling at how 
polite Eric was in his request to Apple. I was not criticising it. My approach 
though would be to be a little more direct. That is, if it is a feature request 
then just state the request and explain the benefit. If it is a bug report then 
explain the bug and the steps to replicate it. The apple employees are I would 
assume professionals and would take this kind of approach just as seriously as 
one that was sugarcoated. 

I am sorry if I have offended anyone. I do feel that it is important that we 
help to address issues rather than just wishing it would get better. 

All the best Garth

.
On 18/09/2011, at 5:26 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

I don't feel strongly about it but, I think it would make voiceover better.  I 
don't know anyone who prefers to press more keys than less keys at a time.  It 
might have made sense in Tiger for the VO keys to be control and option but, 
now?  I don't know.  I just think it would make voiceover that much easier to 
use.  And it wouldn't compromise anything.  I haven't had a problem with VO 
keys either but, that doesn't mean it can't be made to be better.

Ricardo Walker
rwalker...@gmail.com
Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
www.mobileaccess.org

On Sep 17, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

> It amazes me how strongly people feel about this caps lock key issue. I have 
> been using VoiceOver since Tiger and honestly I have never had a problem with 
> the VO-keys and hell with quick nav it really is almost unnecessary for the 
> VO keys. Do you think Freedom Scientific would be willing to allow a user to 
> change the caps lock to any key or key combination they chose? Oh and as far 
> as how you package your request, if you come across as demanding and rude, I 
> would not anticipate your request being taken very seriously and that is 
> exactly how your message comes across.
> Apple engineering obviously had a reason to choose a specific key combination 
> and obviously the number of requests to change to something different or 
> allow the user to choose any key or key combination has not been all that 
> strong.
> 
> On Sep 17, 2011, at 9:14 AM, Garth Humphreys wrote:
> 
>> Hi Eric 
>> 
>> Thanks for the reminder to write to apple abut this.  It was one of those 
>> things that surprised me when I was looking into getting my Mac. The ability 
>> to configure the caps lock as the screen readers modify key is in my opinion 
>> a pretty dumb  convention for Apple not to adopt.
>> 
>> Please don't misunderstand me to be saying that I want everything on the Mac 
>> side to be done in the same way that it is on windows, this is certainly not 
>> the case. But on this particular issue I think that Apple could  learn from 
>> the other vendors who have come before.
>> 
>> Eric, you must be a lot more polite then me.  I wouldn't be bothered in 
>> sugarcoating my request for a feature however I do think that you are 
>> absolutely right to point out how the feature would assist you be more 
>> productive.
>> 
>> Garth
>> 
>> On 17/09/2011, at 9:42 AM, Eric Caron wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Garth and others,
>> 
>>  I was very happy to read your comment about writing to Apple about 
>> wanting the Caps lock key as the VO modifier  I make a point of writing and 
>> asking this once a year.  If I could use that key I would be able to keep my 
>> hands on the home row while using Voice Over commands and be much more 
>> productive.  This is my strongest criticism of Voice Over.  I am glad to 
>> know I'm not the only voice asking for Caps lock to be  the VO modifier.  
>> 
>> 
>> When I write to them I usually say something like Thank you for this 
>> wonderful screen Reader and computer.  I really appreciate the care put into 
>> its development.  

RE: SPSS for Mac?

[Robert Hooper]

Hello:

SPSS (or any other statistical software) will soon be of great value to me, as 
I am a psychology and neuroscience major bound to do some sort of research in 
the near future. Many labs require knowledge and familiarity with SPSS in order 
to work at said lab. The ability to access such software would be of incredible 
value to those in very research-based fields. If anyone has heard or ever hears 
of accessible statistical software, please drop the list a line. I, doubtless 
along with many others, would certainly appreciate the knowledge--knowing how 
to use SPSS is a huge competitive advantage in various lab-based internships, 
assistant positions, etc. I appreciate the initiation of this thread.
Sincerely,
Robert Hooper
hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu
The Ohio State University
0653 Buckeye-Cuyahoga CT
653 Cuyahoga Court
Columbus, Ohio 43210
(740) 856-8195
Robert Hooper
hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu
The Ohio State University
553 Morrill Tower
1900 Cannon Drive
Columbus, Ohio 43210
(740) 856-8195

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Bejarano, Rafael P.
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 5:31 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SPSS for Mac?

I looked into SPSS a couple of years ago, and the Mac version was no more 
accessible than the Windows version.

The best bet, I think, is to write software to calculate whatever stats one 
needs (or to have someone else do so, if one does not know how to code).  The 
Python programming language appears to be a good candidate for this purpose.  
Your student might get some pointers as to how to go about this by reading a 
recently released book.  The author's name is Alan Downey, and the book is 
entitled Think Stats.

I wish your student luck, and please do post any useful information about 
accessible statistical software on this list.  I'm sure more than one of us 
would find such information useful.

Cordially,
Rafael Bejarano

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Al Puzzuoli [alp...@me.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 2:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: SPSS for Mac?

Just wondering if anyone has ever used the Mac version of SPSS? If so, is it 
any more accessible than the Windows version? We have a student who is fighting 
with the Windows version right now.
Thanks,
Al

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Re: bookport plus software on the mac

[Denise Avant]

hi,
ok. thanks. can you share what you do not like about it. i guess what APH was 
trying to do is make it easier to transfer stuff without the person having to 
do it manually. doesn't look like this has been accomplished.

On Sep 17, 2011, at 7:53 PM, Tom Frank wrote:

> Hi there,
> I have the BP softwarte installed on my Mac but I don't like it very well. I 
> find it easier to just copy and paste files from my desktop into the BP, like 
> books from the NLS library.
> Tom Frank
> vermont...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 16, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Denise Avant wrote:
> 
>> hi all,
>> i was wondering if anyone has used the bookport plus software on the mac. i 
>> have it installed. but am not entirely sure i am working it right. any help 
>> would be appreciated.
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Statistics Pro (currently free) iOS alternative to SPSS for Mac [Re: SPSS for Mac?]

[Esther]

Hi Rafael and Al Puzzoli,

If either of you or the student that Al speaks of has access to an iOS device, 
there are currently some free math educational apps for iPhone, iPod Touch, and 
iPad that appear to be accessible and capable of doing statistics.  There may 
be others. but the one that I just tried out because it has currently gone free 
(usually $0.99) is called "Statistics Pro" by Larry Feldman:
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/statistics-pro/id353217077?mt=8
I've tried the first few modules on Data Analysis and Linear Regression, and 
these seem to work accessibly.  I'd recommend using a Bluetooth Keyboard and 
turning QuickNav on for data entry navigation.  There are a few caveats.  
First, the data are limited in the number of points that can be handled, with a 
maximum of 30 data entries, and also a minimum number of data points for some 
functions (or you obviously won't be able to calculate some statistical 
measures like variance).  The "Data Points" text box will tell you the allowed 
range of number of data points.  You must enter a number here before you double 
tap the "Analyze" button (or activate it by pressing the up and down arrow keys 
simultaneously on a Bluetooth keyboard if QuickNav is on).  By default, empty 
entries will be treated as 0 (and this is announced at the start: "Data (blanks 
are 0)"). VoiceOver will announce the heading for the "Data Points" text box 
out of sequence if you flick through, because the data entries (x1, x2, x3, 
etc.) are in one column, and the buttons/text boxes for "Clear Data", "Data 
Points", and "Analyze" are in a second column in the top half of the screen.  
(You can verify this if you run your finger vertically down from the "Data 
(blanks are 0)" label near the top of the screen about a quarter to a third of 
the way across from the left edge; then when you are on the text box for "x1", 
move your finger horizontally to the right to the "Clear Data" button, and 
switch to moving vertically down.  You'll hear "Clear Data" button, "Data 
Points", "[4,30] text field, double tap to edit", then "Analyze" button.) So 
when you do a "read all" two finger flick up, VoiceOver will alternate between 
reading the two columns, and you'll hear the "Data (blanks are 0)" message, 
then "x1 text field", "Clear Data" button, "x2 text field", "Data Points", "x3 
text field", "[4,30] text field", "x4 text field", "capital S button", "x5 text 
field", "button", "capital R button", and "Analyze button".

I would just navigate with the keyboard to each field in sequence, and realize 
that in the previous instance I will be entering the first 3 data points (x1, 
x2, and x3) before coming to the text box for the total number of data points, 
then continue entering data values until I want to move to the "Analyze" button 
(last element in the screen, so do a four finger tap on the bottom of the 
screen to move there, or use Control+Down arrow on the keyboard).  You'll get 
announcements of the mean, standard deviation, median, maximum and outliers.  
The "capital S" button saves your entries, and "capital R" restores them.  The 
unlabeled "button" is an info button that tells you this.

There are a few other concerns.  VoiceOver reads out the text summary of the 
analysis quite well, but it won't read Greek letters (e.g., "mu" for the mean), 
or certain symbols for square root, etc.  On the Mac I handle this be sending 
the output to TextEdit.  I'm not sure  how to work around things here.  It may 
be possible to do an image capture and OCR with another app.  However, if you 
know what is going on, you can still follow the formulae results based on the 
written text summaries.  I've only done some quick testing, but this may be 
usable.  Each menu item listed in the app, such as "Data Analysis", "Linear 
Regression", "Normal Distribution", etc. has two sub menus: Solver (where you 
input values) and Tutorial (where there are general explanations of the 
concepts behind the calculation).  Try taking a look at this, and possibly 
other iOS apps for statistics.  As I noted,  this one is currently free, so you 
can experiment.  I'm cc'ing this to the viphone list, since this is an iOS app.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther



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> I looked into SPSS a couple of years ago, and the Mac version was no more 
> accessible than the Windows version.
> 
> The best bet, I think, is to write software to calculate whatever stats one 
> needs (or to have someone else do so, if one does not know how to code).  The 
> Python programming language appears to be a good candidate for this purpose.  
> Your student might get some pointers as to how to go about this by reading a 
> recently released book.  The author's name is Alan Downey, and the book is 
> entitled Think Stats.
> 
> I wish your student luck, and please do post any useful information about 
> accessible statistical software on this list.  I'm sure more than one of us 
> would find 

Re: Is there a manual eject button anywhere on the MBP?

[Johnny Angel!]

Hi Dona,

First of all, you can count on it coming from a true  novice:

I don't really yet know what I am talking about, but, if the MBP is turned on, 
try pressing Cmd+Eject and see if that ejects the disk.

Johnny
On Sep 16, 2011, at 8:41 AM, Doug Lawlor wrote:

> Hi Donna,
> Try the following:
> 1. make sure the machine is powered off.
> 2. Hold down the eject button, that is the key to the right of the F12 key 
> and press the power button while keeping the eject button held down. You 
> should hear the cd start to spin and then the mac chime. After the chime the 
> cd should eject. Just keep the eject button held until the cd pops out.  
> 
> Doug
> 
> On 2011-09-16, at 9:33 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> 
>> thanks for the suggestion Keith.  right Now, though, I don't have an OS, so 
>> can't go into the utilities area to open Terminal.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> 
>> On Sep 16, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Keith Watson wrote:
>> 
>>> Donna,
>>> 
>>> I am not sure exactly what is wrong or why you cannot get out your
>>> dvd. If you can boot the system I would open terminal from the
>>> utilities area and run the following
>>> 
>>> sudo eject /dev/cdrom
>>> 
>>> and see if that doesn't help.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Keith Watson
>>> 813-760-1381
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
 Because I can neither install from my SL disk, nor get the Mac to 
 reinstall Lion.  I don't know what else to do, and I'm unable to eject the 
 SL disk at all.
 
 On Sep 16, 2011, at 7:52 AM, Daniel Miller wrote:
 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Unfortunately, there's no way to physically eject the disc without having
> the machine turned on, since the only way you can do it is with the eject
> button. Also, why would you need Apple to reinstall the OS?
> 
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Is there a manual eject button anywhere on the MBP?
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> OK, since I seem to be out of options here, I don't know what to do except
> take the MBP into the Apple Store and have them reinstall the OS.  But I
> don't want to travel with a DVD in the drive.  Is there a manual eject
> button anywhere on this thing?
> thanks,
> Donna
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RE: Question regarding home networking.

[Allison Mervis]

Hi Scott.

Thanks so much for your response. All of the pc's and both macs are
successfully connected to the network, either via WIFI or Ethernet. However,
I want to be able to share files between all of the machines. On the pc's,
I'm able to go into the network and sharing center, see all of the computers
in the home group, and copy files and folders between them. Can this be done
on the mac?  Thanks again.

Allison

  _  

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Subject: Re: Question regarding home networking.

 

Allison,

 

Adding the MInis would be no different than adding the PCs. In fact once you
turn on wireless networking or connect them via ethernet, assuming your
network is configured using dhcp, the Minis will pull IP addresses from the
router.

 

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Hi everyone.

My boyfriend and I currently have all of the PC's in our house networked via
a home group. We recently purchased Mac minis, and we would like to add them
to the network as well. How exactly is this accomplished? Is the fact that
the network was originally created on a PC going to cause issues? Any
assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much.

Allison

 

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Re: bookport plus software on the mac

[Tom Frank]

Hi there,
I have the BP softwarte installed on my Mac but I don't like it very well. I 
find it easier to just copy and paste files from my desktop into the BP, like 
books from the NLS library.
Tom Frank
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> hi all,
> i was wondering if anyone has used the bookport plus software on the mac. i 
> have it installed. but am not entirely sure i am working it right. any help 
> would be appreciated.
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Re: Question regarding home networking.

[Scott Howell]

Allison,

Adding the MInis would be no different than adding the PCs. In fact once you 
turn on wireless networking or connect them via ethernet, assuming your network 
is configured using dhcp, the Minis will pull IP addresses from the router.

On Sep 17, 2011, at 5:38 PM, Allison Mervis wrote:

> Hi everyone.
> My boyfriend and I currently have all of the PC's in our house networked via 
> a home group. We recently purchased Mac minis, and we would like to add them 
> to the network as well. How exactly is this accomplished? Is the fact that 
> the network was originally created on a PC going to cause issues? Any 
> assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much.
> Allison
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Re: Image capture, ocr?

[Johnny Angel!]

Hi Paul,

Okay great!  I own an Epson 1660 photo scanner that works wonderfully with 
OpenBook on a Windows machine.  Do you know of a list of scanners supported by 
Fine Reader?
On Sep 15, 2011, at 5:47 AM, Paul Erkens wrote:

> Hi Johnny Angel,
> The mac can create images from a scanner and from its internal camera. I 
> suppose you could attach an external camera as well. But if you want OCR, 
> then the quickest way I have found so far, is to use fine reader express. It 
> is in the mac app store and it costs 80 euros, I think some 95 or 100 
> dollars. Its interface is easy to use, and for a single page or for a few 
> pages, I have found it to be a good solution. I haven't tried scanning entire 
> books with it yet. So yes, the mac can take images from a camera or a 
> scanner, but for OCR you need a separate piece of software.
> Hth,
> Paul.
> On Sep 15, 2011, at 11:30 AM, Johnny Angel! wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I understand that the MBP offers image capturing?  Will this feature work as 
>> a usable ocr?  If so, willVo read text captured there?
>> 
>> Just curious.  If this would work, I'm also wondering if an external camera 
>> can be used with this feature.
>> 
>> Johnny
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Re: Accessible Ebook Apps Accessible with Voice Over

[Johnny Angel!]

Hi Esther,

Thanks for the links and the clarification.  I was able to download and install 
the Adobe program.  Now I need to but only figure out how to use it to read an 
ebook.   I know this was brought up on the list, but is there a way for 
one to check to see if indeed a file or program is being downloaded?

Lots to learn,

Johnny

On Sep 15, 2011, at 4:58 AM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Johnny,
> 
> Here's another form of the link that Anne gave to the Adobe Digital Editions 
> 1.8 Preview:
> 
> 
> If you have difficulty with that download, you can go to the parent web page, 
> which hosts versions for both Mac and Windows:
> 
>  
> I usually give the full URL name instead of a shortened link, because the 
> format Anne uses doesn't always work if messages are forwarded or if someone 
> is trying to access the link from the Mail Archive site for this list.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
>  Johnny Angel!  wrote:
> 
>> Hi again Anne,
>> 
>> So either you also work 3rd shift, or you live on the other side of the 
>> planet, or you are up with a little one.  At any rate, thanks for clearing 
>> me up on this.  I'll take a closer look at the filename to see if there is 
>> anything about it that would indicate that it is a download filetype.
>> 
>> Johnny
>> On Sep 15, 2011, at 3:23 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Johnny,
>>> 
>>> That link causes the app to download. Look in your Downloads folder and you 
>>> should find it there. The name starts with Digital Editions.
>>> 
>>> I just clicked the link myself from this message and it works.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 15 Sep 2011, at 09:05, Johnny Angel! wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Anne,
 
 The bad part about working 3rd is that most everyone else is sleeping and 
 you know your questions won't be answered untill you are home and you are 
 sleeping.  Anyway, and this seems to happen to me rather often, 
 when I click on a link in an email such as the one in your message below, 
 I am brought to a tweeter page of a sort.  Looking around on the page 
 renders no evidence of an adobe download link anywhere.  Any ideas?
 
 Johnny.
>>> 
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Re: this haptic thing is haptenning

[Yuma Decaux]

Oh sorry about that,

Haptic technology, in the case of the link, alows you to feel definition on a 
hard surface, like protrusions and cavities, with either vibrations or 
electrical charges.

The example on the link i sent is the latter, on a polymer based laminate which 
usually would fit on the surface of devices such as the iphone ipad or ipod 
touch.

Hope this helps 

Yuma 


On 18/09/2011, at 10:48 AM, LaMcAs wrote:

> It would be really nice besides just posting a link maybe give us some clue
> as to what it is especially for those who do not know what it is.
> 
> Larry & Flax GD (Guide Dog)
> & Elliot RGD (Retired Guide Dog)
> London, UK
> 
> Multiple Installer http://ninite.com
> Flash Updater http://updateflash.org/
> Impartial info on Android & IOS http://www.blindtechsupport.net/
> 
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> http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/17/vivitouch-haptic-technology-hands-on-elec
> troactive-polymer-givi/
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RE: this haptic thing is haptenning

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It would be really nice besides just posting a link maybe give us some clue
as to what it is especially for those who do not know what it is.

Larry & Flax GD (Guide Dog)
& Elliot RGD (Retired Guide Dog)
London, UK

Multiple Installer http://ninite.com
Flash Updater http://updateflash.org/
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Re: voices

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi Tracy.
I found the voices you are talking about. I was also talking about the ones 
that sighted people like to put on the Mac sometimes. These are the ones that 
are in Jaws like Daniel and Samantha, for instance. 
Regards, 
Gigi

On Sep 17, 2011, at 5:32 PM, Traci wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> The best way I know how to do this is…
> 
> Going to voiceover utility, vo-f8, then command-3 for speech.  I either 
> vo-right_arrow or tab here, make sure the voices tab is selected.  Get over 
> to the default voice and select it.  In this pop-up menu, at the bottom is to 
> customize it.  Select this and you will be brought to the premium voices.  
> There is a table to interact with, where all the voices are, then a play 
> button to listen to them.  Once you select your voice, you can download it 
> automatically, which will bring you to software update.
> 
> Below, I'm going to try to paste a link to a podcast from Vision Australia, 
> that has an excellent and simple podcast describing how to do this.  HTH
> 
> Lol, ok, I obviously haven't learned how to copy a link from Safari yet.  
> *Grin,* google for the podcast.
> 
> Traci
> 
> Downloading Premium Voices for VoiceOver in Lion (MP3, 8.5MB)
> 
> Sent by Macbook Air Mail
> 
> On Sep 17, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys.
>> Besides the voices already in VoiceOver, I heard you can download other 
>> voices. How would you do that? I like Alex just fine, but I might want 
>> another voice for iBooks. Also, I tried out the speech option on something 
>> once, and it temporarily messed up VoiceOver. Would this be; a problem if I 
>> downloaded other voices?
>> Regards
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Re: Questions

[Eugenia Firth]

> Hi Becky.
Welcome to apparently the growing numbers of we blind folks switching or 
starting to use Macs. I'm fairly new myself, but I have discovered some of the 
answers to the questions you asked. 
I got a program called Louis that you can translate brf files with. It was 
given to me, so I can't tell you how to get it. I haven't tried it yet, but I 
heard works ok. Now as to reading brf files directly, I got TextEdit to call up 
the files with command-o. Then I was asked what program I wanted from now on to 
open the brf files with. Unfortunately, there is no computer mbraille option 
(please I hope there will be someday, and I am crossing my fingers for one.) 
So, you can't read directly with a braille display brf files with VoiceOver. 
People have been talking about the VO keys, but I'd settle for a computer 
braille option first. Just my wants, mind you. Actually, I really need one.

> As I mentioned, you need to use command plus the O key to open files in 
> Finder. I think you can use the trackpad, too, if you have one.

> As for the battery status, I have been using control-option and the letter m 
> together quickly to the Universal Access menu. If you're not fast enough, you 
> get the Apple Menu. Then I have been escaping out of that if I don't want it. 
> Then you can use the arrow keys to go around the menu. You use Escape to get 
> out.

> The Command plus the accent key goes from window to window in applications. 
> The accent key is the one right under the escape key and right above the tab 
> key. 

Regards,
Gigi

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Re: voices

[Traci]

Hi,

The best way I know how to do this is…

Going to voiceover utility, vo-f8, then command-3 for speech.  I either 
vo-right_arrow or tab here, make sure the voices tab is selected.  Get over to 
the default voice and select it.  In this pop-up menu, at the bottom is to 
customize it.  Select this and you will be brought to the premium voices.  
There is a table to interact with, where all the voices are, then a play button 
to listen to them.  Once you select your voice, you can download it 
automatically, which will bring you to software update.

Below, I'm going to try to paste a link to a podcast from Vision Australia, 
that has an excellent and simple podcast describing how to do this.  HTH

Lol, ok, I obviously haven't learned how to copy a link from Safari yet.  
*Grin,* google for the podcast.

Traci

Downloading Premium Voices for VoiceOver in Lion (MP3, 8.5MB)

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On Sep 17, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:

> Hi guys.
> Besides the voices already in VoiceOver, I heard you can download other 
> voices. How would you do that? I like Alex just fine, but I might want 
> another voice for iBooks. Also, I tried out the speech option on something 
> once, and it temporarily messed up VoiceOver. Would this be; a problem if I 
> downloaded other voices?
> Regards
> Gigi
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Re: solving visual captchas with mac and safari

[Johnny Angel!]

Sarah you are so right!  I am simply unable to see the wisdom behind the idea.

Johnny
On Sep 11, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Sarah May wrote:

> 
> I agree.  The audio captcha's are so garbled that you can hardly understand
> them.  If the people who write the software for them think that doing that
> is making them accessible they are dead wrong.
> 
> Sarah
> 
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anouk Radix
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: solving visual captchas with mac and safari
> 
> I must agree, many sites are now audio captcha enabled but a lot of them are
> pretty hard to understand.
> Greetings, Anouk,
> On Sep 10, 2011, at 10:54 PM, Cody wrote:
> 
>> I am wondering the same thing and as far as I know ff is still not 
>> accessible. Fortunately many sites have the audio captcha but there are
> still plenty that don't On Sep 10, 2011, at 3:55 PM, Anouk Radix wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi everyone, On the pc I could solve visual only captchas with either
> solona and ie (but often there was no operator online) or webvisum and
> firefox. Is there a way to solve visual captchas as a blind person on the
> mac? As far as I know firefox is still not accessible on the mac.
>>> Thanks in advance
>>> Greetings, Anouk,
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this haptic thing is haptenning

[Yuma Decaux]

http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/17/vivitouch-haptic-technology-hands-on-electroactive-polymer-givi/


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speaking of ebook readers, or sort of.

[Karen Lewellen]

I share the below as I realize some here may be running their mac in a 
virtual setup with Linux.
Not to mention some might want to chip in and see how this tool might be 
expanded, perhaps for mac use.

Hope it helps,
Karen

Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 23:07:03 +0200
From: Jos Lemmens 

Hi all,

On my homepage, http://www.jlemmens.nl, you'll find eBook-speaker,
a tool to read aloud eBooks using espeak.
There are still bugs in it, but I'm working hard on it.
It is licenced under the terms of the GNU General Public License.
Here you'll find the manpage:

   http://www.jlemmens.nl/homepage/eBook-speaker.html

Currently only the EPUB format is supported.

Best regards,

   Jos.

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Question regarding home networking.

[Allison Mervis]

Hi everyone.

My boyfriend and I currently have all of the PC's in our house networked via
a home group. We recently purchased Mac minis, and we would like to add them
to the network as well. How exactly is this accomplished? Is the fact that
the network was originally created on a PC going to cause issues? Any
assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much.

Allison

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RE: SPSS for Mac?

[Bejarano, Rafael P.]

I looked into SPSS a couple of years ago, and the Mac version was no more 
accessible than the Windows version.

The best bet, I think, is to write software to calculate whatever stats one 
needs (or to have someone else do so, if one does not know how to code).  The 
Python programming language appears to be a good candidate for this purpose.  
Your student might get some pointers as to how to go about this by reading a 
recently released book.  The author's name is Alan Downey, and the book is 
entitled Think Stats.

I wish your student luck, and please do post any useful information about 
accessible statistical software on this list.  I'm sure more than one of us 
would find such information useful.

Cordially,
Rafael Bejarano

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Subject: SPSS for Mac?

Just wondering if anyone has ever used the Mac version of SPSS? If so, is it 
any more accessible than the Windows version? We have a student who is fighting 
with the Windows version right now.
Thanks,
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voices

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi guys.
Besides the voices already in VoiceOver, I heard you can download other voices. 
How would you do that? I like Alex just fine, but I might want another voice 
for iBooks. Also, I tried out the speech option on something once, and it 
temporarily messed up VoiceOver. Would this be; a problem if I downloaded other 
voices?
Regards
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Re: Customizing Go Menu

[Jon Cohn]

Well, this is not exactly what you want, but default folder X  is supposed to 
allow you to have keyboard shortcuts and additional neat features in the file 
dialog boxes.  I have heard people rave about it, but I have personally never 
tried it.  
http://www.stclairsoft.com/DefaultFolderX/index.html

I know the price is $35, but I did not check to see if there was a free trial.

Best wishes,

Jonathan

On Sep 17, 2011, at 11:44 AM, Traci wrote:

> Hello, I've been googling this lately and coming up empty.
> 
> You know in finder the go menu, under this is things like library, computer, 
> documents, downloads, etc.  Does anyone know if we can add to this and create 
> a keyboard shortcut for the addition?
> 
> For example, I'd like my dropbox folder to be there with a keyboard shortcut 
> attached.  Any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks,
> Traci
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Re: finder document, what is this?

[Jon Cohn]

It is a document that the finder does not have a translation to describe what 
it is.  Generally every application has a "plist" file within the application 
that lists file extensions that the application supports and also gives a 
descriptive name to the file extension.  This is how Word documents get 
associated with the .doc extension.

THere is a command line tool called file which might be able to tell you what 
kind of file you are looking at.  The file command looks not only at the 
extension, but also the first 100 or so bytes of the file looking for a "magic" 
token describing the type of file.

The file command is a standard UNIX/Linux commands.

Best wishes,

Jonathan

On Sep 17, 2011, at 10:39 AM, Paul Erkens wrote:

> Dear listers,
> In most cases, a finder item can be either a folder, where it has no size in 
> the finder size column, it can be a file with an extension, and in that case 
> the file of course does have a readable size, but what, if finder says 
> document, in the kind, column? Is this a file? Is this a folder? I don't 
> understand the document  type in finder. Anyone have an idea what this is? I 
> downloaded something and it is a document. Not rtf, doc, doc x, txt or 
> something, but a finder document. I took a picture of myself, or of the wall 
> behind me I don't know, lol, but that too becomes a document. Interested to 
> know what finder calls a document.
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Re: good (un)rar/(un)zip prog for os x lion

[Jon Cohn]

If there is a command line interface to compress the files but no GUI and the 
person wants something in the contextual menu, then a short automator script 
should be able to enable this.  I am not personally very agile at using the 
automator, but there is certainly the ability to "do shell script".

Best wishes,

Jonathan

On Sep 17, 2011, at 10:00 AM, Paul Erkens wrote:

> Hi Anouk,
> You can have the unarchiver from app store to unzip unrar etc. But if you 
> also want to create your own archives, an option is to install better zip 
> from the app store. It does cost a little. But with better zip and with the 
> command line rar tools in place, you can easily create your own rar files if 
> you wish, and zip is natively built into better zip. I wish its interface 
> were simpler, but it is very accessible and doable. So, to unarchive, if all 
> you want is that, use unarchiver. To create your own, one option is better 
> zip. At least this thing is accessible that I found.
> Hth,
> Paul.
> On Sep 17, 2011, at 7:53 AM, Anouk Radix wrote:
> 
>> Hi, I used to use winrar on windows and would like to have a good program 
>> that hides in the context menu so that i can unrar and unzip or rar and zip 
>> files in finder to a folder.
>> Is there any good program like this, preferrably for multiple file formats.
>> Thanks in advance
>> Greetings, Anouk,
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Re: smart mail boxes

[Jon Cohn]

Well, there are actually "Smart Folders" in Mail app directly too.  They are 
just a way to merge several Smart Mailboxes much the way that the Inbox folder 
collects all of your different Inboxes into one view.  If the "Smart Mailboxes" 
allowed a bit more control in their selection criteria then you would not need 
to have Smart Folders.

For example if you want a grouping of all unread e-mail messages from your 
Address Book  groups friends, Interesting People, and Family  that are older 
then 3 days. You have two choices:

1. Create 3 separate Smart Mailboxes 1 for each group, and then merge them 
together into a smart folder.
2. Create a Smart Group in your address book contain  all members of Friends, 
family and Interesting people.
2. Create a smart mailbox for the smart group and unread and received more then 
3 days ago.

Best wishes,

Jonathan

On Sep 17, 2011, at 9:36 AM, Paul Erkens wrote:

> Hi Rachel,
> What is a smart folder? Hmm.  Well a smart folder is a folder in finder, that 
> lets you aggregate files scattered over your disk, matching criteria you 
> specify. This way, these files need not be physically grouped, but you can 
> view them as if they were grouped indeed. A smart folder is not a real 
> folder. Instead, it's an intelligent search tool, of which you can save the 
> criteria, which is then called the smart folder. It is a feature in finder, 
> whereas a smart mailbox is a feature of mail. 
> 
> One use for a smart folder, just to give you an example, could be a smart 
> folder where you group all rtf files together. Or all pages documents, 
> created after a certain date, just anything for that matter. Command option 
> n, is to open a new finder smart folder. You can choose where to search, and 
> what type of files you want in it, by selecting numerous things from a pop up 
> menu. There are some 5 or 6 given, but a whole lot more are behind the 
> others, choice. To follow this example, to find all rtf files, after you hit 
> command, option, n, to make a new smart folder, you select, file extension, 
> from the large criteria table. You will see a hide or unhide button in the 
> smart folder creation dialog, that you can use to show this big list if it 
> happens to be hidden.  Once file extension is selected, fill in rtf in the 
> accompanying text field. In the same dialog, a list of matching files will 
> then show up. Now you know which rtf files you have on your system, on your 
> desktop, or where ever you searched, and you have them all visible in one 
> window, without changing their location on the disk.
> 
> Now if you are on a found rtf file, or whatever else you preferred to search 
> for, and you want to see where that very file actually lives on your drive, 
> you can bring up its context menu with VO shift m, and then select open 
> containing folder. The folder that the file is in, will now be displayed, 
> with focus on the file itself, and you can close it again with command w. 
> However, one painful thing for me was, how do you know the path to this 
> containing folder once you open it from the found file's context menu? Only 
> the folder name, and not the entire path, shows up in the title of the finder 
> window. The solution is simple. Via the view menu, simply turn on show path. 
> If you do that, at the bottom of the window you will find an interactable new 
> path item. If you Vo accross it, you will immediately know in which folder 
> you are looking.
> 
> if you then quit this new smart folder window, you will be asked where to 
> save this new smart folder. By default you are saving in the saved searches 
> folder, but of course you can tick the disclosure box and select any save 
> location you want for easy access later.
> 
> Note: what is stored there, is not the list of files. Rather, it is your 
> search criteria, and where you search. This makes the smart folder dynamic, 
> so that the next time you open it, any newly added rtf or other files will 
> also show up. Smart, isn't it? 
> 
> Hth,
> Paul.
> On Sep 16, 2011, at 10:35 PM, Rachel magario wrote:
> 
>> Paul, do you know the difference between the smart mailbox and the smart 
>> folder?
>> I was just wondering.
>> Rachel.
>> On Sep 16, 2011, at 2:18 PM, Paul Erkens wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Rachel,
>>> That one I know, because I had the same question 2 days ago. A smart 
>>> mailbox is just a way to group messages together. Say you have a giant 
>>> inbox, but you only want to see the messages from your class mate because 
>>> he sends you useful attachments. Then, you can create a smart mailbox. All 
>>> messages you select will appear there, but a smart mailbox is meant to just 
>>> do that. It shows your selected messages, as if no other ones were present 
>>> in your inbox. Deleting a message from the smart mailbox deletes it from 
>>> inbox and vice versa.
>>> 
>>> If you want to move email out of your inbox, over to another mailbox, then 
>>> make it a normal one. Create new mailbo

SPSS for Mac?

[Al Puzzuoli]

Just wondering if anyone has ever used the Mac version of SPSS? If so, is it 
any more accessible than the Windows version? We have a student who is fighting 
with the Windows version right now.
Thanks,
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Re: Customizing Go Menu

[Ricardo Walker]

I don't think this is possible.  At least not without jumping through a lot of 
hoops.

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On Sep 17, 2011, at 11:44 AM, Traci wrote:

> Hello, I've been googling this lately and coming up empty.
> 
> You know in finder the go menu, under this is things like library, computer, 
> documents, downloads, etc.  Does anyone know if we can add to this and create 
> a keyboard shortcut for the addition?
> 
> For example, I'd like my dropbox folder to be there with a keyboard shortcut 
> attached.  Any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks,
> Traci
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Re: Laptop / Bluetooth vs. Standard Keyboard

[Ricardo Walker]

I don't feel strongly about it but, I think it would make voiceover better.  I 
don't know anyone who prefers to press more keys than less keys at a time.  It 
might have made sense in Tiger for the VO keys to be control and option but, 
now?  I don't know.  I just think it would make voiceover that much easier to 
use.  And it wouldn't compromise anything.  I haven't had a problem with VO 
keys either but, that doesn't mean it can't be made to be better.

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On Sep 17, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

> It amazes me how strongly people feel about this caps lock key issue. I have 
> been using VoiceOver since Tiger and honestly I have never had a problem with 
> the VO-keys and hell with quick nav it really is almost unnecessary for the 
> VO keys. Do you think Freedom Scientific would be willing to allow a user to 
> change the caps lock to any key or key combination they chose? Oh and as far 
> as how you package your request, if you come across as demanding and rude, I 
> would not anticipate your request being taken very seriously and that is 
> exactly how your message comes across.
> Apple engineering obviously had a reason to choose a specific key combination 
> and obviously the number of requests to change to something different or 
> allow the user to choose any key or key combination has not been all that 
> strong.
> 
> On Sep 17, 2011, at 9:14 AM, Garth Humphreys wrote:
> 
>> Hi Eric 
>> 
>> Thanks for the reminder to write to apple abut this.  It was one of those 
>> things that surprised me when I was looking into getting my Mac. The ability 
>> to configure the caps lock as the screen readers modify key is in my opinion 
>> a pretty dumb  convention for Apple not to adopt.
>> 
>> Please don't misunderstand me to be saying that I want everything on the Mac 
>> side to be done in the same way that it is on windows, this is certainly not 
>> the case. But on this particular issue I think that Apple could  learn from 
>> the other vendors who have come before.
>> 
>> Eric, you must be a lot more polite then me.  I wouldn't be bothered in 
>> sugarcoating my request for a feature however I do think that you are 
>> absolutely right to point out how the feature would assist you be more 
>> productive.
>> 
>> Garth
>> 
>> On 17/09/2011, at 9:42 AM, Eric Caron wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Garth and others,
>> 
>>  I was very happy to read your comment about writing to Apple about 
>> wanting the Caps lock key as the VO modifier  I make a point of writing and 
>> asking this once a year.  If I could use that key I would be able to keep my 
>> hands on the home row while using Voice Over commands and be much more 
>> productive.  This is my strongest criticism of Voice Over.  I am glad to 
>> know I'm not the only voice asking for Caps lock to be  the VO modifier.  
>> 
>> 
>> When I write to them I usually say something like Thank you for this 
>> wonderful screen Reader and computer.  I really appreciate the care put into 
>> its development.  However, please add my voice to those asking that the Caps 
>> lock key be available as the VO keys.  With this option I can keep my hands 
>> on the computer home row and use the VO functions. This is much easier and 
>> allows me to be more productive.Sincerely Eric Caron 
>> 
>> I hope others of you will write if you agree that this would be helpful!
>> 
>> 
>> I'm off to go write my yearly note!
>> 
>> Eric Caron 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 15, 2011, at 3:30 AM, Garth Humphreys wrote:
>> 
>>> Just to be clear I was talking about googles operating system not their 
>>> browser   
>>> 
>>> Anyway its a setting I would like and will be part of another email to 
>>> apple :) 
>>> 
>>> SmileSent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 15/09/2011, at 1:57 PM, Rachel magario  wrote:
>>> 
 I agree, but I also think we should be able to customize it, by vo and 
 even by software, go that I want to use google short cut key and there is 
 conflict. But maybe that is an over kill! Is ok, I am that way! :)
 
 On Sep 14, 2011, at 9:41 PM, Garth Humphreys wrote:
 
> Hi 
> I couldn't agree more.  We should definately be able to configure the 
> caps lock as the VO keys. Not because this is the way that other screen 
> readers do it but because it is in my opinion a smart way of having it. 
> The caps lock key is for most people hardly ever used. With googles 
> chrome OS they have changed the caps lock key to a search key because 
> they recognise the waste of space on the keyboard that the caps lock key 
> currently represents  
> On 15/09/2011, at 8:52 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
> If you ask me, they should just get rid of the VO command all together.  
> I think just assigning 1 modifier key as your "VO key would be a lot more 
> efficient.  For example, I rather press caps left or right arrow than 
> control option left or r

Re: reinstalling lion

[Paul Erkens]

Iona,
If you use disk utility, which is a choice when you boot up with command r and 
Fred, then yes. You can erase your drive. Afterwards, because it is erased, you 
will start from scratch. By the way, you can also change your language for the 
time being, that you have not reinstalled Lion yet. If you need help with a 
specific subject let us know.
Hth,
Paul.
On Sep 17, 2011, at 5:24 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Thanks for this.
> Will it let me eerase the disk first during the re-install? Also, do you know 
> f it is toosmart for its own good and remembers old user settnngs or can I 
> set everything from scratch? I want to set os language and other such things.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ioana
> 
> (Sent from my phone)
> 
> Please check out my new CD at www.ioanagandrabur.com or on itunes.
> 
> On Sep 17, 2011, at 10:08 AM, Paul Erkens  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ioana, and Teresa,
>> Because of a message by Ricardo Walker,I now know I forgot to mention a 
>> simpler option. If lion is already installed Iona, you could also reinstall 
>> a clean lion from the recovery partition. When lion installs, not only will 
>> it simply install into macintosh hd, but a separate, hidden partition will 
>> also be created by the lion installer. If you already have lion, no matter 
>> if it was installed by the previous mac owner, the recovery partition will 
>> be there. Shut down the mac, start it, and during the chime sound, hit, and 
>> keep holding, command r. These 2 keys will boot the mac from its lion 
>> recovery partition. After some ten seconds you can be sure the recovery 
>> partition is booting and you can let go of command r. After 2 minutes or so 
>> it will be booted. Probably less, but after you give it some time, hit 
>> command f5 to turn voiceover on. Fred will help you from there.
>> Hth,
>> Paul.
>> On Sep 17, 2011, at 6:14 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, Ioana,
>>> 
>>> Once the OS is installed, the installer package deletes itself. You could 
>>> try looking in the applications folder for it on the off-chance it was 
>>> replaced ther by the previous owner, but it's unlikely to be there. Sorry.
>>> 
>>> Teresa
>>> On Sep 16, 2011, at 3:28 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Paul and list,Given that the previous owner downloaded the file, would 
 he not have an instaler somewhere on the mac?
 Regardless, I did sign out of his account in the app store and signed in 
 with mine (I already had one for my iPhone) and searched for lion. 
 unfortunately I could not buy it since it showed a dimmed installed 
 button. 
 I have the sno leopard dvd that came with the mac and I suppose I could 
 erase the drive and install from that and upgrade.
 Any better way you can think of?
 
 assuming I have to do what I outlined above, how do I start? Have to erase 
 first and start the install from dvd?
 
 Thanks so much!
 
 A very excited newbie.
 
 
 (Sent from my phone)
 
 Please check out my new CD at www.ioanagandrabur.com or on itunes.
 
 On Sep 16, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Paul Erkens  wrote:
 
> Hi Iona,
> I don't think you need the apple id of the previous owner. However, you 
> do need to get hold of the lion installer app. Which is over 3 gigabytes. 
> Normally, you download this from the app store. Do you have an apple ID 
> of your own yet? If you do, when asked for your apple ID, you can fill in 
> your own, so that lion can be payed for, using your own apple  ID. If you 
> don't have one yet, you can create one in each dialog where you are asked 
> for it. You can then put money on to that apple account using either 
> itunes gift cards, attaching your credit card to it, or you can put money 
> on the apple ID by using services like click and buy.
> 
> Once you have the lion app from the app store, there is a way to burn 
> that onto a dvd. Alternatively, you can put the installer on a usb stick. 
> Either way, you then boot from cd or usb stick, install lion, all with 
> speech support along your way, then perform software updates, and then 
> start to use it by installing apps and putting your own data on it.
> But now that you still have a mac with someone else's installation, the 
> first thing to do is get hold of the lion installer app. For that, you 
> need an apple account or apple ID. Then you must make sure that you can 
> do purchases with it, and then you can download the lion installer from 
> app store. Let's start with that. If you have questions along the way, 
> just ask. When you have the installer, say so and we can try to help 
> further.
> Hth,
> Paul.
> On Sep 16, 2011, at 6:59 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:
> 
>> Greetings,
>> 
>> As I mentioned in previous posts, I have a 2nd hand mac mini with lion 
>> installed that I would like to reset from beginning to change ope

Re: Laptop / Bluetooth vs. Standard Keyboard

[Scott Howell]

It amazes me how strongly people feel about this caps lock key issue. I have 
been using VoiceOver since Tiger and honestly I have never had a problem with 
the VO-keys and hell with quick nav it really is almost unnecessary for the VO 
keys. Do you think Freedom Scientific would be willing to allow a user to 
change the caps lock to any key or key combination they chose? Oh and as far as 
how you package your request, if you come across as demanding and rude, I would 
not anticipate your request being taken very seriously and that is exactly how 
your message comes across.
Apple engineering obviously had a reason to choose a specific key combination 
and obviously the number of requests to change to something different or allow 
the user to choose any key or key combination has not been all that strong.

On Sep 17, 2011, at 9:14 AM, Garth Humphreys wrote:

> Hi Eric 
> 
> Thanks for the reminder to write to apple abut this.  It was one of those 
> things that surprised me when I was looking into getting my Mac. The ability 
> to configure the caps lock as the screen readers modify key is in my opinion 
> a pretty dumb  convention for Apple not to adopt.
> 
> Please don't misunderstand me to be saying that I want everything on the Mac 
> side to be done in the same way that it is on windows, this is certainly not 
> the case. But on this particular issue I think that Apple could  learn from 
> the other vendors who have come before.
> 
> Eric, you must be a lot more polite then me.  I wouldn't be bothered in 
> sugarcoating my request for a feature however I do think that you are 
> absolutely right to point out how the feature would assist you be more 
> productive.
> 
> Garth
> 
> On 17/09/2011, at 9:42 AM, Eric Caron wrote:
> 
> Hi Garth and others,
> 
>   I was very happy to read your comment about writing to Apple about 
> wanting the Caps lock key as the VO modifier  I make a point of writing and 
> asking this once a year.  If I could use that key I would be able to keep my 
> hands on the home row while using Voice Over commands and be much more 
> productive.  This is my strongest criticism of Voice Over.  I am glad to know 
> I'm not the only voice asking for Caps lock to be  the VO modifier.  
> 
> 
> When I write to them I usually say something like Thank you for this 
> wonderful screen Reader and computer.  I really appreciate the care put into 
> its development.  However, please add my voice to those asking that the Caps 
> lock key be available as the VO keys.  With this option I can keep my hands 
> on the computer home row and use the VO functions. This is much easier and 
> allows me to be more productive.Sincerely Eric Caron 
> 
> I hope others of you will write if you agree that this would be helpful!
> 
> 
> I'm off to go write my yearly note!
> 
> Eric Caron 
> 
> 
> On Sep 15, 2011, at 3:30 AM, Garth Humphreys wrote:
> 
>> Just to be clear I was talking about googles operating system not their 
>> browser   
>> 
>> Anyway its a setting I would like and will be part of another email to apple 
>> :) 
>> 
>> SmileSent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 15/09/2011, at 1:57 PM, Rachel magario  wrote:
>> 
>>> I agree, but I also think we should be able to customize it, by vo and even 
>>> by software, go that I want to use google short cut key and there is 
>>> conflict. But maybe that is an over kill! Is ok, I am that way! :)
>>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2011, at 9:41 PM, Garth Humphreys wrote:
>>> 
 Hi 
 I couldn't agree more.  We should definately be able to configure the caps 
 lock as the VO keys. Not because this is the way that other screen readers 
 do it but because it is in my opinion a smart way of having it. The caps 
 lock key is for most people hardly ever used. With googles chrome OS they 
 have changed the caps lock key to a search key because they recognise the 
 waste of space on the keyboard that the caps lock key currently represents 
  
 On 15/09/2011, at 8:52 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
 If you ask me, they should just get rid of the VO command all together.  I 
 think just assigning 1 modifier key as your "VO key would be a lot more 
 efficient.  For example, I rather press caps left or right arrow than 
 control option left or right arrow.  Especially since all macs come with a 
 keyboard with only 1 control key by default now.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
 www.mobileaccess.org
 
 On Sep 14, 2011, at 6:33 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
 
> Hey Rachel,
> 
> I also use an MBP; however, I do typically use an external keyboard, but 
> mainly since the machine is sitting on the desk. I believe with all the 
> commanders available, it almost negates the need for the VO command. :) 
> Well not quite, but getting close. What do you think?
> 
> On Sep 13, 2011, at 11:28 PM, Rachel magario wrote:
> 
>> Hey Scott, haha The 

RE: Need help partitioning a disk

[Bill Holton]

Thanks.  This helped.  I was doing it right, apparently, all the way to
leaving the scroll area and then moving to the fields.  Before when I lef
the scroll area I was using the down swipes on my trackpad and the tab key
and completely missing the size and such I would have found with right
swipes.  Thanks.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Erkens
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 10:03 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Need help partitioning a disk

Bill,
The filesystem, like fat32, mac os extended journaled etc, is chosen while
you create the partitions. First choose the number of partitions from the
drop down. 1, 2 3 etc. You want 3, right? Then, interact with the scroll
area, vo space on the first partition, stop interacting, and then, outside
the scroll area, don't bother with the size control. Instead, simply fill in
the text boxes with your desired sizes for the first partition. Then, go
interact with the scroll area again, but now select the second partition in
there. Stop interacting, fill in the file system, volume name and size boxes
again, and then continue to partition 3.
Hth,
Paul.
On Sep 17, 2011, at 6:33 AM, Bill Holton wrote:

> Hi.
> I am trying to partition my 2tb drive into three drives, 2 500gb drives
for
> Windows and one 1tb drive with Mac Journaling for Carbon copy cloner.  I
> have successfully divided the disk into three equal partitions, but can't
> figure out how to change the size of the partitions and set them to FAT 32
> or Mac Extended journaling.  I do keep encountering a disk size control,
but
> can't figure out how to access it.  I did manage to change the size of one
> drive one time, but I couldn't get the other two changed and now I am
stuck
> back with three equally sized drives.  Any help appreciated.
> Bill
> 
> 
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Re: reinstalling lion

[Dan]

Hello,
Sorry, I don't know what to tell you.
I don't know about an iPhone internet connection.
I'm referring to my local ether net connection, from the Recovery Partition.

Dan

On Sep 17, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:

> Hi again,
> 
> So do you mean that to reinstall you need to be connected via cable? Would 
> the iphone usb connection do? How much does it have do download? I am asking 
> because I only have 6 gb per month and would love to avoid downloading the 
> whole os.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ioana
> 
> (Sent from my phone)
> 
> Please check out my new CD at www.ioanagandrabur.com or on itunes.
> 
> On Sep 17, 2011, at 11:22 AM, Dan  wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> This brings up another question.
>> When reinstalling Lion, how does a VoiceOver user access the internet from 
>> the recovery drive?
>> In other words:
>> 1. The computer has been rebooted using Command R at the chime.
>> 2. VO using Fred has been started.
>> 3. Now it's time to start the reinstall process for a clean install.
>> 4. The OS wants to verify the machines serial number with Apple.
>> Now the question comes in to play. How does a blind VO user access a wired 
>> internet service?
>> When I emailed Apple's Accessibility group, they just said that they were 
>> working on this problem.
>> Any suggestions?
>> TIA.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> On Sep 17, 2011, at 7:08 AM, Paul Erkens wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Ioana, and Teresa,
>>> Because of a message by Ricardo Walker,I now know I forgot to mention a 
>>> simpler option. If lion is already installed Iona, you could also reinstall 
>>> a clean lion from the recovery partition. When lion installs, not only will 
>>> it simply install into macintosh hd, but a separate, hidden partition will 
>>> also be created by the lion installer. If you already have lion, no matter 
>>> if it was installed by the previous mac owner, the recovery partition will 
>>> be there. Shut down the mac, start it, and during the chime sound, hit, and 
>>> keep holding, command r. These 2 keys will boot the mac from its lion 
>>> recovery partition. After some ten seconds you can be sure the recovery 
>>> partition is booting and you can let go of command r. After 2 minutes or so 
>>> it will be booted. Probably less, but after you give it some time, hit 
>>> command f5 to turn voiceover on. Fred will help you from there.
>>> Hth,
>>> Paul.
>>> On Sep 17, 2011, at 6:14 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>>> 
 Hi, Ioana,
 
 Once the OS is installed, the installer package deletes itself. You could 
 try looking in the applications folder for it on the off-chance it was 
 replaced ther by the previous owner, but it's unlikely to be there. Sorry.
 
 Teresa
 On Sep 16, 2011, at 3:28 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:
 
> Hi Paul and list,Given that the previous owner downloaded the file, would 
> he not have an instaler somewhere on the mac?
> Regardless, I did sign out of his account in the app store and signed in 
> with mine (I already had one for my iPhone) and searched for lion. 
> unfortunately I could not buy it since it showed a dimmed installed 
> button. 
> I have the sno leopard dvd that came with the mac and I suppose I could 
> erase the drive and install from that and upgrade.
> Any better way you can think of?
> 
> assuming I have to do what I outlined above, how do I start? Have to 
> erase first and start the install from dvd?
> 
> Thanks so much!
> 
> A very excited newbie.
> 
> 
> (Sent from my phone)
> 
> Please check out my new CD at www.ioanagandrabur.com or on itunes.
> 
> On Sep 16, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Paul Erkens  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Iona,
>> I don't think you need the apple id of the previous owner. However, you 
>> do need to get hold of the lion installer app. Which is over 3 
>> gigabytes. Normally, you download this from the app store. Do you have 
>> an apple ID of your own yet? If you do, when asked for your apple ID, 
>> you can fill in your own, so that lion can be payed for, using your own 
>> apple  ID. If you don't have one yet, you can create one in each dialog 
>> where you are asked for it. You can then put money on to that apple 
>> account using either itunes gift cards, attaching your credit card to 
>> it, or you can put money on the apple ID by using services like click 
>> and buy.
>> 
>> Once you have the lion app from the app store, there is a way to burn 
>> that onto a dvd. Alternatively, you can put the installer on a usb 
>> stick. Either way, you then boot from cd or usb stick, install lion, all 
>> with speech support along your way, then perform software updates, and 
>> then start to use it by installing apps and putting your own data on it.
>> But now that you still have a mac with someone else's installation, the 
>> first thing to do is get hold of the lion installer app. For that, you 
>>

Re: reinstalling lion

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Hi again,

So do you mean that to reinstall you need to be connected via cable? Would the 
iphone usb connection do? How much does it have do download? I am asking 
because I only have 6 gb per month and would love to avoid downloading the 
whole os.

Thanks,

Ioana

(Sent from my phone)

Please check out my new CD at www.ioanagandrabur.com or on itunes.

On Sep 17, 2011, at 11:22 AM, Dan  wrote:

> Hello,
> This brings up another question.
> When reinstalling Lion, how does a VoiceOver user access the internet from 
> the recovery drive?
> In other words:
> 1. The computer has been rebooted using Command R at the chime.
> 2. VO using Fred has been started.
> 3. Now it's time to start the reinstall process for a clean install.
> 4. The OS wants to verify the machines serial number with Apple.
> Now the question comes in to play. How does a blind VO user access a wired 
> internet service?
> When I emailed Apple's Accessibility group, they just said that they were 
> working on this problem.
> Any suggestions?
> TIA.
> 
> Dan
> 
> On Sep 17, 2011, at 7:08 AM, Paul Erkens wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ioana, and Teresa,
>> Because of a message by Ricardo Walker,I now know I forgot to mention a 
>> simpler option. If lion is already installed Iona, you could also reinstall 
>> a clean lion from the recovery partition. When lion installs, not only will 
>> it simply install into macintosh hd, but a separate, hidden partition will 
>> also be created by the lion installer. If you already have lion, no matter 
>> if it was installed by the previous mac owner, the recovery partition will 
>> be there. Shut down the mac, start it, and during the chime sound, hit, and 
>> keep holding, command r. These 2 keys will boot the mac from its lion 
>> recovery partition. After some ten seconds you can be sure the recovery 
>> partition is booting and you can let go of command r. After 2 minutes or so 
>> it will be booted. Probably less, but after you give it some time, hit 
>> command f5 to turn voiceover on. Fred will help you from there.
>> Hth,
>> Paul.
>> On Sep 17, 2011, at 6:14 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, Ioana,
>>> 
>>> Once the OS is installed, the installer package deletes itself. You could 
>>> try looking in the applications folder for it on the off-chance it was 
>>> replaced ther by the previous owner, but it's unlikely to be there. Sorry.
>>> 
>>> Teresa
>>> On Sep 16, 2011, at 3:28 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Paul and list,Given that the previous owner downloaded the file, would 
 he not have an instaler somewhere on the mac?
 Regardless, I did sign out of his account in the app store and signed in 
 with mine (I already had one for my iPhone) and searched for lion. 
 unfortunately I could not buy it since it showed a dimmed installed 
 button. 
 I have the sno leopard dvd that came with the mac and I suppose I could 
 erase the drive and install from that and upgrade.
 Any better way you can think of?
 
 assuming I have to do what I outlined above, how do I start? Have to erase 
 first and start the install from dvd?
 
 Thanks so much!
 
 A very excited newbie.
 
 
 (Sent from my phone)
 
 Please check out my new CD at www.ioanagandrabur.com or on itunes.
 
 On Sep 16, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Paul Erkens  wrote:
 
> Hi Iona,
> I don't think you need the apple id of the previous owner. However, you 
> do need to get hold of the lion installer app. Which is over 3 gigabytes. 
> Normally, you download this from the app store. Do you have an apple ID 
> of your own yet? If you do, when asked for your apple ID, you can fill in 
> your own, so that lion can be payed for, using your own apple  ID. If you 
> don't have one yet, you can create one in each dialog where you are asked 
> for it. You can then put money on to that apple account using either 
> itunes gift cards, attaching your credit card to it, or you can put money 
> on the apple ID by using services like click and buy.
> 
> Once you have the lion app from the app store, there is a way to burn 
> that onto a dvd. Alternatively, you can put the installer on a usb stick. 
> Either way, you then boot from cd or usb stick, install lion, all with 
> speech support along your way, then perform software updates, and then 
> start to use it by installing apps and putting your own data on it.
> But now that you still have a mac with someone else's installation, the 
> first thing to do is get hold of the lion installer app. For that, you 
> need an apple account or apple ID. Then you must make sure that you can 
> do purchases with it, and then you can download the lion installer from 
> app store. Let's start with that. If you have questions along the way, 
> just ask. When you have the installer, say so and we can try to help 
> further.
> Hth,
> Paul.
> On S

bluetooth keyboard recommendations?

[Eric Oyen]

I am seeking recommendations for a bluetooth keyboard that will work with an 
iphone 3 gs. I can use the interface but it is very slow for me and I get 
frustrated trying to work with it. 

any ideas?

-Eric

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Re: Trackpad

[Cody]

I find that when i type my wrist bumps the trackpad and if the keyboard 
commander is on then it jumps all over the place. I would just disable the 
trackpad commander when you're not using it, I wouldn't mess with the 
sensitivity, but I wouldn't put all your weight on it either.
On Sep 17, 2011, at 9:08 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:

> Hi guys.
> I have a question about the sensitivity of the trackpad. I have a Mac Book 
> Pro running under Lion. I thought I knew what I was doing, so I went under 
> Preferences and changed the sensitivity so that it was very sensitive. then I 
> decided that I had messed it up, so I changed it back while I was in the 
> Apple store using the recommendation of the tech there. I think it's at 60 
> percent or something like that. I still don't think I have it right because 
> when I have it on, I keep doing things I don't want to when I reach for the 
> keyboard. 
> 
> What would you guys recommend I set it for? I thought I would like about the 
> sensitivity of the iPhone. I can use the roter onb the iPhone just fine, but 
> I have some trouble doing it on my Mac.
> Thanks.
> 
> Regards,
> Gigi
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Customizing Go Menu

[Traci]

Hello, I've been googling this lately and coming up empty.

You know in finder the go menu, under this is things like library, computer, 
documents, downloads, etc.  Does anyone know if we can add to this and create a 
keyboard shortcut for the addition?

For example, I'd like my dropbox folder to be there with a keyboard shortcut 
attached.  Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Traci

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Re: reinstalling lion

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Hi,

Thanks for this.
Will it let me eerase the disk first during the re-install? Also, do you know f 
it is toosmart for its own good and remembers old user settnngs or can I set 
everything from scratch? I want to set os language and other such things.

Thanks,

Ioana

(Sent from my phone)

Please check out my new CD at www.ioanagandrabur.com or on itunes.

On Sep 17, 2011, at 10:08 AM, Paul Erkens  wrote:

> Hi Ioana, and Teresa,
> Because of a message by Ricardo Walker,I now know I forgot to mention a 
> simpler option. If lion is already installed Iona, you could also reinstall a 
> clean lion from the recovery partition. When lion installs, not only will it 
> simply install into macintosh hd, but a separate, hidden partition will also 
> be created by the lion installer. If you already have lion, no matter if it 
> was installed by the previous mac owner, the recovery partition will be 
> there. Shut down the mac, start it, and during the chime sound, hit, and keep 
> holding, command r. These 2 keys will boot the mac from its lion recovery 
> partition. After some ten seconds you can be sure the recovery partition is 
> booting and you can let go of command r. After 2 minutes or so it will be 
> booted. Probably less, but after you give it some time, hit command f5 to 
> turn voiceover on. Fred will help you from there.
> Hth,
> Paul.
> On Sep 17, 2011, at 6:14 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
> 
>> Hi, Ioana,
>> 
>> Once the OS is installed, the installer package deletes itself. You could 
>> try looking in the applications folder for it on the off-chance it was 
>> replaced ther by the previous owner, but it's unlikely to be there. Sorry.
>> 
>> Teresa
>> On Sep 16, 2011, at 3:28 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Paul and list,Given that the previous owner downloaded the file, would 
>>> he not have an instaler somewhere on the mac?
>>> Regardless, I did sign out of his account in the app store and signed in 
>>> with mine (I already had one for my iPhone) and searched for lion. 
>>> unfortunately I could not buy it since it showed a dimmed installed button. 
>>> I have the sno leopard dvd that came with the mac and I suppose I could 
>>> erase the drive and install from that and upgrade.
>>> Any better way you can think of?
>>> 
>>> assuming I have to do what I outlined above, how do I start? Have to erase 
>>> first and start the install from dvd?
>>> 
>>> Thanks so much!
>>> 
>>> A very excited newbie.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> (Sent from my phone)
>>> 
>>> Please check out my new CD at www.ioanagandrabur.com or on itunes.
>>> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Paul Erkens  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Iona,
 I don't think you need the apple id of the previous owner. However, you do 
 need to get hold of the lion installer app. Which is over 3 gigabytes. 
 Normally, you download this from the app store. Do you have an apple ID of 
 your own yet? If you do, when asked for your apple ID, you can fill in 
 your own, so that lion can be payed for, using your own apple  ID. If you 
 don't have one yet, you can create one in each dialog where you are asked 
 for it. You can then put money on to that apple account using either 
 itunes gift cards, attaching your credit card to it, or you can put money 
 on the apple ID by using services like click and buy.
 
 Once you have the lion app from the app store, there is a way to burn that 
 onto a dvd. Alternatively, you can put the installer on a usb stick. 
 Either way, you then boot from cd or usb stick, install lion, all with 
 speech support along your way, then perform software updates, and then 
 start to use it by installing apps and putting your own data on it.
 But now that you still have a mac with someone else's installation, the 
 first thing to do is get hold of the lion installer app. For that, you 
 need an apple account or apple ID. Then you must make sure that you can do 
 purchases with it, and then you can download the lion installer from app 
 store. Let's start with that. If you have questions along the way, just 
 ask. When you have the installer, say so and we can try to help further.
 Hth,
 Paul.
 On Sep 16, 2011, at 6:59 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:
 
> Greetings,
> 
> As I mentioned in previous posts, I have a 2nd hand mac mini with lion 
> installed that I would like to reset from beginning to change operating 
> system language and other settings.
> 
> During install, do I require the Apple ID and password of previous owner 
> and purchaser of lion? 
> Could you recommend a guide of re--installing lion?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ioana
> 
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Re: reinstalling lion

[Dan]

Hello,
This brings up another question.
When reinstalling Lion, how does a VoiceOver user access the internet from the 
recovery drive?
In other words:
1. The computer has been rebooted using Command R at the chime.
2. VO using Fred has been started.
3. Now it's time to start the reinstall process for a clean install.
4. The OS wants to verify the machines serial number with Apple.
Now the question comes in to play. How does a blind VO user access a wired 
internet service?
When I emailed Apple's Accessibility group, they just said that they were 
working on this problem.
Any suggestions?
TIA.

Dan

On Sep 17, 2011, at 7:08 AM, Paul Erkens wrote:

> Hi Ioana, and Teresa,
> Because of a message by Ricardo Walker,I now know I forgot to mention a 
> simpler option. If lion is already installed Iona, you could also reinstall a 
> clean lion from the recovery partition. When lion installs, not only will it 
> simply install into macintosh hd, but a separate, hidden partition will also 
> be created by the lion installer. If you already have lion, no matter if it 
> was installed by the previous mac owner, the recovery partition will be 
> there. Shut down the mac, start it, and during the chime sound, hit, and keep 
> holding, command r. These 2 keys will boot the mac from its lion recovery 
> partition. After some ten seconds you can be sure the recovery partition is 
> booting and you can let go of command r. After 2 minutes or so it will be 
> booted. Probably less, but after you give it some time, hit command f5 to 
> turn voiceover on. Fred will help you from there.
> Hth,
> Paul.
> On Sep 17, 2011, at 6:14 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
> 
>> Hi, Ioana,
>> 
>> Once the OS is installed, the installer package deletes itself. You could 
>> try looking in the applications folder for it on the off-chance it was 
>> replaced ther by the previous owner, but it's unlikely to be there. Sorry.
>> 
>> Teresa
>> On Sep 16, 2011, at 3:28 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Paul and list,Given that the previous owner downloaded the file, would 
>>> he not have an instaler somewhere on the mac?
>>> Regardless, I did sign out of his account in the app store and signed in 
>>> with mine (I already had one for my iPhone) and searched for lion. 
>>> unfortunately I could not buy it since it showed a dimmed installed button. 
>>> I have the sno leopard dvd that came with the mac and I suppose I could 
>>> erase the drive and install from that and upgrade.
>>> Any better way you can think of?
>>> 
>>> assuming I have to do what I outlined above, how do I start? Have to erase 
>>> first and start the install from dvd?
>>> 
>>> Thanks so much!
>>> 
>>> A very excited newbie.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> (Sent from my phone)
>>> 
>>> Please check out my new CD at www.ioanagandrabur.com or on itunes.
>>> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Paul Erkens  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Iona,
 I don't think you need the apple id of the previous owner. However, you do 
 need to get hold of the lion installer app. Which is over 3 gigabytes. 
 Normally, you download this from the app store. Do you have an apple ID of 
 your own yet? If you do, when asked for your apple ID, you can fill in 
 your own, so that lion can be payed for, using your own apple  ID. If you 
 don't have one yet, you can create one in each dialog where you are asked 
 for it. You can then put money on to that apple account using either 
 itunes gift cards, attaching your credit card to it, or you can put money 
 on the apple ID by using services like click and buy.
 
 Once you have the lion app from the app store, there is a way to burn that 
 onto a dvd. Alternatively, you can put the installer on a usb stick. 
 Either way, you then boot from cd or usb stick, install lion, all with 
 speech support along your way, then perform software updates, and then 
 start to use it by installing apps and putting your own data on it.
 But now that you still have a mac with someone else's installation, the 
 first thing to do is get hold of the lion installer app. For that, you 
 need an apple account or apple ID. Then you must make sure that you can do 
 purchases with it, and then you can download the lion installer from app 
 store. Let's start with that. If you have questions along the way, just 
 ask. When you have the installer, say so and we can try to help further.
 Hth,
 Paul.
 On Sep 16, 2011, at 6:59 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:
 
> Greetings,
> 
> As I mentioned in previous posts, I have a 2nd hand mac mini with lion 
> installed that I would like to reset from beginning to change operating 
> system language and other settings.
> 
> During install, do I require the Apple ID and password of previous owner 
> and purchaser of lion? 
> Could you recommend a guide of re--installing lion?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ioana
> 
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finder document, what is this?

[Paul Erkens]

Dear listers,
In most cases, a finder item can be either a folder, where it has no size in 
the finder size column, it can be a file with an extension, and in that case 
the file of course does have a readable size, but what, if finder says 
document, in the kind, column? Is this a file? Is this a folder? I don't 
understand the document  type in finder. Anyone have an idea what this is? I 
downloaded something and it is a document. Not rtf, doc, doc x, txt or 
something, but a finder document. I took a picture of myself, or of the wall 
behind me I don't know, lol, but that too becomes a document. Interested to 
know what finder calls a document.

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Re: Running a Mac with Windows on

[Paul Erkens]

Hi Jeff,

Here is the text you requested.
---
Your first question, what to do about a non-existent insert key inside a 
virtual machine, is quite a story if you want to know the ins and outs. Along 
the way, we will get there. Here you go.

First off, it is true that you have no insert key on the mac, while you often 
do need one in windows. You can create a key mapping for yourself in 1 of 2 
ways. Either using fusion itself, and there is no real down side as far as I'm 
aware, but it is a little trickey to set up because of an interface issue in 
fusion. The other way to get an insert key is to use the sharp keys program. 
Sharp keys lets you remap a few more keys than fusion will allow. For example, 
using sharp keys, you can even remap your right command, or your right option 
key, to the windows insert.

If you do it via fusion, then all your virtual machines willl get an insert 
key. If you have windows 7 and xp like I do, creating the insert key using the 
fusion keyboard remapper creates it for all virtual machines because fusion 
only allows you to do it inside its global preferences, command comma, and not 
on a per machine basis, command e.

If you create your insert key using sharp keys, then it is going to be a local 
setting for that windows installation only, because sharp keys modifies the 
windows registry to do the trick. Both methods will give you the same result: 
an insert key that is not just insert, but that can be held down as if it were 
a modifier key for other keys.

This answers your other issue, where capslock cannot be used inside the virtual 
machine as a modifier. It works as  a caps lock, but you can't hold it down and 
press a letter inside the virtual machine, in order to give commands to your 
screen reader. Sharp keys and fusion itself though, will give you an insert key 
like the one on a normal windows computer. This lets you use insert rather than 
caps lock for your screen reader's commands, so let's concentrate on insert, 
and I will leave caps lock for someone else.

Now, let's look at the way you can do it inside fusion. I'm using fusion 3.1.3, 
which is the latest version as of today. To update, go to the menu bar in 
fusion, vo m, then once right, then down to check for updates, and then follow 
the instructions.

First, fire up fusion and, just to be certain, have your virtual machines shut 
down. Then press command comma to open fusion's global preferences.

At the top of this window is a toolbar. Interact with it and click keyboard and 
mouse. A new window will appear.

The first thing you will encounter is a pop up button where you choose your 
keyboard and mouse profile. The window itself consists of 4 tab sheets, and all 
those settings together are stored in a keyboard and mouse profile. I don't 
think we will ever need a second profile, but that's what the button allows. 
Leave it at its default.

The first tab sheet of this dialog,  named, key mappings, is where you can swap 
your windows logo and alt keys. By default, fusion will map your command key to 
the windows logo key, and your option key to the windows alt key. This is not 
very intuitive for those of us who are used to windows and its keyboard layout, 
but it's easy to swap them. See below. In this window, you will also be able to 
create your insert key inside fusion, and if you want, give yourself a num lock 
toggle as well.

If you look at this table, then many mac keys are mapped to some windows 
counterparts. Personally, I don't think that is necessary at all. For example, 
in windows, you use control plus c to copy an item to the clipboard. On the 
mac, we're used to pressing command plus c to copy. In fusion, there is a 
default key mapping that makes command c the equivalent of control c. In other 
words, pressing control c or command c in windows will do the same thing. This 
is non-standard windows tweaking I don't like, so what I did to begin with, is 
clear this entire list. To the right of this table, you have 2 unlabeled 
buttons. The left one is add, and the right one is delete and entry in this 
table. Just focus on the right button of the 2, and hit vo space until the list 
is empty. You will also delete the undesired alt and windows logo key mappings 
this way.

Now, you must create your own mappings, so that your mac command key will 
become the alt key in windows, and so that your option key can become your 
windows logo key inside windows. Here's how to do it.

First, click add, to add a new mapping to the table. This is the left unlabeled 
button, to the right of the table. A new window appears, that you will later 
close with an ok button to return here.

In the new window, you see your mac modifier keys with checkboxes, and a combo 
box for an additional key. For example, you will hear shift unchecked checkbox, 
and command, unchecked checkbox. In this case, where we want to map our option 
key to the windows logo key, we don't need the combo boxes in this dialog, so 

Key mapping was: Re: Fusion 4, Jaws Video Intercept

[Jeff Berwick]

Hi all, I some how missed the message with the recommendations on using key 
mapping and creating the inset key.  Could somebody please resend?

Thx,
Jeff

On 2011-09-17, at 8:40 AM, Keith Watson wrote:

> Eric,
> 
> Are you running Windows 7 in 32 or 64 bit mode?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Keith
> On Sep 16, 2011, at 5:57 PM, Eric Caron wrote:
> 
>> Hi Keith and others,
>> 
>>  I have also just upgraded to VM Fusion 4 and all seems well.  It is 
>> frustrating to have to get new JAWS authorizations and if you are a JAWS 
>> user you will use one up by upgrading.  So far I have had no trouble getting 
>> more authorizations when I've called.  The set up on VM Fusion seems a bit 
>> different but so far it is pretty easy to understand.  I'm not completely 
>> adjusted to this new situation where you leave the full  screen with Command 
>> Control Enter and now end up in a open tool bar.  It has the devices in a 
>> group and has to be interacted with.  I kind of liked the old way where you 
>> could just arrow over to the buttons.  
>>  When I close the tool bar there is a unlabeled button two the right.  
>> Does anyone know what that is? 
>> 
>> I feel like my Windows 7 64 version with JAWS 12 is actually less snappy 
>> then it was before the upgrade.  Both are running on Lyon. 
>> 
>> Thanks to Paul's excellent directions on using the key mapping in Vm Fusion 
>> I have a much smoother running machine then before.  I would recommend 
>> following his suggestions about turning off most of the automatic key 
>> mapping and such.  His directions on creating the needed Insert key was also 
>> helpful. 
>> 
>> I am so pleased that I can enjoy my Mac but when convenient do the few 
>> Windows things I need so easily.
>> 
>> I had just purchased VM fusion less then 2 weeks ago.  There is no refund so 
>> buying it now is a much better deal.  The free upgrade for me came by 
>> getting a new license through a request to support.  I then downloaded the 
>> program and followed the directions in the update application that came in 
>> the DMG. 
>> I read that people that are eligible for the free upgrade will get a email 
>> with the new license key but it may take up to 30 days.
>> 
>> Good luck to everyone updating or starting new.  It is very doable but 
>> without the help of people on this list I really would not have been 
>> successful on my own.
>> 
>> Mike's podcast on Blindcooltech.com is very helpful.  it would be great for 
>> new folks if someone did a updated cons ice walkthrough, especially as there 
>> is a new version.  Even though it seems simple to most people a step by step 
>> walk through would save many people a lot of time and frustration.
>> 
>> 
>> eric Caron 
>> On Sep 14, 2011, at 9:30 PM, Keith Watson wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Has anyone successfully upgraded to Fusion 4, installed the new Vmware 
>>> tools and updated their video intercept? My VM will not start after going 
>>> through these hoops. Good thing I have a backup of the VM so that I can at 
>>> least attempt to try again on the morrow.
>>> 
>>> Just curious.
>>> 
>>> Keith
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Re: reinstalling lion

[Paul Erkens]

Hi Ioana, and Teresa,
Because of a message by Ricardo Walker,I now know I forgot to mention a simpler 
option. If lion is already installed Iona, you could also reinstall a clean 
lion from the recovery partition. When lion installs, not only will it simply 
install into macintosh hd, but a separate, hidden partition will also be 
created by the lion installer. If you already have lion, no matter if it was 
installed by the previous mac owner, the recovery partition will be there. Shut 
down the mac, start it, and during the chime sound, hit, and keep holding, 
command r. These 2 keys will boot the mac from its lion recovery partition. 
After some ten seconds you can be sure the recovery partition is booting and 
you can let go of command r. After 2 minutes or so it will be booted. Probably 
less, but after you give it some time, hit command f5 to turn voiceover on. 
Fred will help you from there.
Hth,
Paul.
On Sep 17, 2011, at 6:14 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:

> Hi, Ioana,
> 
> Once the OS is installed, the installer package deletes itself. You could try 
> looking in the applications folder for it on the off-chance it was replaced 
> ther by the previous owner, but it's unlikely to be there. Sorry.
> 
> Teresa
> On Sep 16, 2011, at 3:28 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:
> 
>> Hi Paul and list,Given that the previous owner downloaded the file, would he 
>> not have an instaler somewhere on the mac?
>> Regardless, I did sign out of his account in the app store and signed in 
>> with mine (I already had one for my iPhone) and searched for lion. 
>> unfortunately I could not buy it since it showed a dimmed installed button. 
>> I have the sno leopard dvd that came with the mac and I suppose I could 
>> erase the drive and install from that and upgrade.
>> Any better way you can think of?
>> 
>> assuming I have to do what I outlined above, how do I start? Have to erase 
>> first and start the install from dvd?
>> 
>> Thanks so much!
>> 
>> A very excited newbie.
>> 
>> 
>> (Sent from my phone)
>> 
>> Please check out my new CD at www.ioanagandrabur.com or on itunes.
>> 
>> On Sep 16, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Paul Erkens  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Iona,
>>> I don't think you need the apple id of the previous owner. However, you do 
>>> need to get hold of the lion installer app. Which is over 3 gigabytes. 
>>> Normally, you download this from the app store. Do you have an apple ID of 
>>> your own yet? If you do, when asked for your apple ID, you can fill in your 
>>> own, so that lion can be payed for, using your own apple  ID. If you don't 
>>> have one yet, you can create one in each dialog where you are asked for it. 
>>> You can then put money on to that apple account using either itunes gift 
>>> cards, attaching your credit card to it, or you can put money on the apple 
>>> ID by using services like click and buy.
>>> 
>>> Once you have the lion app from the app store, there is a way to burn that 
>>> onto a dvd. Alternatively, you can put the installer on a usb stick. Either 
>>> way, you then boot from cd or usb stick, install lion, all with speech 
>>> support along your way, then perform software updates, and then start to 
>>> use it by installing apps and putting your own data on it.
>>> But now that you still have a mac with someone else's installation, the 
>>> first thing to do is get hold of the lion installer app. For that, you need 
>>> an apple account or apple ID. Then you must make sure that you can do 
>>> purchases with it, and then you can download the lion installer from app 
>>> store. Let's start with that. If you have questions along the way, just 
>>> ask. When you have the installer, say so and we can try to help further.
>>> Hth,
>>> Paul.
>>> On Sep 16, 2011, at 6:59 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:
>>> 
 Greetings,
 
 As I mentioned in previous posts, I have a 2nd hand mac mini with lion 
 installed that I would like to reset from beginning to change operating 
 system language and other settings.
 
 During install, do I require the Apple ID and password of previous owner 
 and purchaser of lion? 
 Could you recommend a guide of re--installing lion?
 
 Thanks,
 
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Re: Need help partitioning a disk

[Paul Erkens]

Bill,
The filesystem, like fat32, mac os extended journaled etc, is chosen while you 
create the partitions. First choose the number of partitions from the drop 
down. 1, 2 3 etc. You want 3, right? Then, interact with the scroll area, vo 
space on the first partition, stop interacting, and then, outside the scroll 
area, don't bother with the size control. Instead, simply fill in the text 
boxes with your desired sizes for the first partition. Then, go interact with 
the scroll area again, but now select the second partition in there. Stop 
interacting, fill in the file system, volume name and size boxes again, and 
then continue to partition 3.
Hth,
Paul.
On Sep 17, 2011, at 6:33 AM, Bill Holton wrote:

> Hi.
> I am trying to partition my 2tb drive into three drives, 2 500gb drives for
> Windows and one 1tb drive with Mac Journaling for Carbon copy cloner.  I
> have successfully divided the disk into three equal partitions, but can't
> figure out how to change the size of the partitions and set them to FAT 32
> or Mac Extended journaling.  I do keep encountering a disk size control, but
> can't figure out how to access it.  I did manage to change the size of one
> drive one time, but I couldn't get the other two changed and now I am stuck
> back with three equally sized drives.  Any help appreciated.
> Bill
> 
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Re: good (un)rar/(un)zip prog for os x lion

[Paul Erkens]

Hi Anouk,
You can have the unarchiver from app store to unzip unrar etc. But if you also 
want to create your own archives, an option is to install better zip from the 
app store. It does cost a little. But with better zip and with the command line 
rar tools in place, you can easily create your own rar files if you wish, and 
zip is natively built into better zip. I wish its interface were simpler, but 
it is very accessible and doable. So, to unarchive, if all you want is that, 
use unarchiver. To create your own, one option is better zip. At least this 
thing is accessible that I found.
Hth,
Paul.
On Sep 17, 2011, at 7:53 AM, Anouk Radix wrote:

> Hi, I used to use winrar on windows and would like to have a good program 
> that hides in the context menu so that i can unrar and unzip or rar and zip 
> files in finder to a folder.
> Is there any good program like this, preferrably for multiple file formats.
> Thanks in advance
> Greetings, Anouk,
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Re: hotspot in yorufukurou?

[Paul Erkens]

A hotspot is simple to set up. Just go where you want the hot spot and hit vo 
shift plus the number of the hotspot, 1 through 0. vo shift 1. To jump to that 
hotspot hit vo 1 without the shift. You can even include hotspots inside a 
voiceover activity so that you have your hotspot automatically available only 
in this program.
Hth,
Paul.
On Sep 17, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Anouk Radix wrote:

> Hi, I am not sure if this is possible to achieve with vo because the webrotor 
> does not work in yorufukurou, but if I want to send a dm to someonw who is 
> not in my rcent dm list then this works but i am not automatically brought to 
> the edit field where i then can put my message. Is it possible to set up 
> something like a hot spot so thet i can bring vo there if i want?
> Thanks,
> Greetings, Anouk,
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Re: Trackpad

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

Personally, i just turn off the trackpad commander so I can avoid accidental 
commands.  The way the trackpad and keyboard is situated on the Mac, this 
happens to me way to much with trackpad commander turned on while not actually 
in use.

Ricardo Walker
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Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
www.mobileaccess.org

On Sep 17, 2011, at 9:08 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:

> Hi guys.
> I have a question about the sensitivity of the trackpad. I have a Mac Book 
> Pro running under Lion. I thought I knew what I was doing, so I went under 
> Preferences and changed the sensitivity so that it was very sensitive. then I 
> decided that I had messed it up, so I changed it back while I was in the 
> Apple store using the recommendation of the tech there. I think it's at 60 
> percent or something like that. I still don't think I have it right because 
> when I have it on, I keep doing things I don't want to when I reach for the 
> keyboard. 
> 
> What would you guys recommend I set it for? I thought I would like about the 
> sensitivity of the iPhone. I can use the roter onb the iPhone just fine, but 
> I have some trouble doing it on my Mac.
> Thanks.
> 
> Regards,
> Gigi
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Re: smart mail boxes

[Paul Erkens]

Hi Rachel,
What is a smart folder? Hmm.  Well a smart folder is a folder in finder, that 
lets you aggregate files scattered over your disk, matching criteria you 
specify. This way, these files need not be physically grouped, but you can view 
them as if they were grouped indeed. A smart folder is not a real folder. 
Instead, it's an intelligent search tool, of which you can save the criteria, 
which is then called the smart folder. It is a feature in finder, whereas a 
smart mailbox is a feature of mail. 

One use for a smart folder, just to give you an example, could be a smart 
folder where you group all rtf files together. Or all pages documents, created 
after a certain date, just anything for that matter. Command option n, is to 
open a new finder smart folder. You can choose where to search, and what type 
of files you want in it, by selecting numerous things from a pop up menu. There 
are some 5 or 6 given, but a whole lot more are behind the others, choice. To 
follow this example, to find all rtf files, after you hit command, option, n, 
to make a new smart folder, you select, file extension, from the large criteria 
table. You will see a hide or unhide button in the smart folder creation 
dialog, that you can use to show this big list if it happens to be hidden.  
Once file extension is selected, fill in rtf in the accompanying text field. In 
the same dialog, a list of matching files will then show up. Now you know which 
rtf files you have on your system, on your desktop, or where ever you searched, 
and you have them all visible in one window, without changing their location on 
the disk.

Now if you are on a found rtf file, or whatever else you preferred to search 
for, and you want to see where that very file actually lives on your drive, you 
can bring up its context menu with VO shift m, and then select open containing 
folder. The folder that the file is in, will now be displayed, with focus on 
the file itself, and you can close it again with command w. However, one 
painful thing for me was, how do you know the path to this containing folder 
once you open it from the found file's context menu? Only the folder name, and 
not the entire path, shows up in the title of the finder window. The solution 
is simple. Via the view menu, simply turn on show path. If you do that, at the 
bottom of the window you will find an interactable new path item. If you Vo 
accross it, you will immediately know in which folder you are looking.

if you then quit this new smart folder window, you will be asked where to save 
this new smart folder. By default you are saving in the saved searches folder, 
but of course you can tick the disclosure box and select any save location you 
want for easy access later.

Note: what is stored there, is not the list of files. Rather, it is your search 
criteria, and where you search. This makes the smart folder dynamic, so that 
the next time you open it, any newly added rtf or other files will also show 
up. Smart, isn't it? 

Hth,
Paul.
On Sep 16, 2011, at 10:35 PM, Rachel magario wrote:

> Paul, do you know the difference between the smart mailbox and the smart 
> folder?
> I was just wondering.
> Rachel.
> On Sep 16, 2011, at 2:18 PM, Paul Erkens wrote:
> 
>> Hi Rachel,
>> That one I know, because I had the same question 2 days ago. A smart mailbox 
>> is just a way to group messages together. Say you have a giant inbox, but 
>> you only want to see the messages from your class mate because he sends you 
>> useful attachments. Then, you can create a smart mailbox. All messages you 
>> select will appear there, but a smart mailbox is meant to just do that. It 
>> shows your selected messages, as if no other ones were present in your 
>> inbox. Deleting a message from the smart mailbox deletes it from inbox and 
>> vice versa.
>> 
>> If you want to move email out of your inbox, over to another mailbox, then 
>> make it a normal one. Create new mailbox. Not a smart one. Then, go to mail 
>> preferences, command comma, and go to the rules tab. This is an item in the 
>> toolbar of mail preferences that you can click. That is the place to create 
>> a new message rule. If the following criteria are met, is the first item It 
>> is followed by a scroll area. Interact, and fill in the criteria. From: a 
>> special person. Or to: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Etc. Then stop 
>> interacting, move on, and fill in what should happen, once a matching 
>> message is found. Move it to the following mailbox: and there you have a pop 
>> up button, from which you select your newly created, normal, non smart 
>> mailbox. From then on, new messages that match will be moved to your new 
>> mailbox because of the message rule.
>> Hth,
>> Paul.
>> On Sep 16, 2011, at 9:10 PM, Rachel magario wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi guys,
>>> 
>>> I have created a smart mailbox for certain types of emails I get. But 
>>> instead of just being move to the smart mailbox. It just copy. Any one 
>>> knows how to 

Re: Laptop / Bluetooth vs. Standard Keyboard

[Garth Humphreys]

Hi Eric 

Thanks for the reminder to write to apple abut this.  It was one of those 
things that surprised me when I was looking into getting my Mac. The ability to 
configure the caps lock as the screen readers modify key is in my opinion a 
pretty dumb  convention for Apple not to adopt.

Please don't misunderstand me to be saying that I want everything on the Mac 
side to be done in the same way that it is on windows, this is certainly not 
the case. But on this particular issue I think that Apple could  learn from the 
other vendors who have come before.

Eric, you must be a lot more polite then me.  I wouldn't be bothered in 
sugarcoating my request for a feature however I do think that you are 
absolutely right to point out how the feature would assist you be more 
productive.

Garth
 
On 17/09/2011, at 9:42 AM, Eric Caron wrote:

Hi Garth and others,

I was very happy to read your comment about writing to Apple about 
wanting the Caps lock key as the VO modifier  I make a point of writing and 
asking this once a year.  If I could use that key I would be able to keep my 
hands on the home row while using Voice Over commands and be much more 
productive.  This is my strongest criticism of Voice Over.  I am glad to know 
I'm not the only voice asking for Caps lock to be  the VO modifier.  


When I write to them I usually say something like Thank you for this wonderful 
screen Reader and computer.  I really appreciate the care put into its 
development.  However, please add my voice to those asking that the Caps lock 
key be available as the VO keys.  With this option I can keep my hands on the 
computer home row and use the VO functions. This is much easier and allows me 
to be more productive.Sincerely Eric Caron 

I hope others of you will write if you agree that this would be helpful!


I'm off to go write my yearly note!

Eric Caron 


On Sep 15, 2011, at 3:30 AM, Garth Humphreys wrote:

> Just to be clear I was talking about googles operating system not their 
> browser   
> 
> Anyway its a setting I would like and will be part of another email to apple 
> :) 
> 
> SmileSent from my iPhone
> 
> On 15/09/2011, at 1:57 PM, Rachel magario  wrote:
> 
>> I agree, but I also think we should be able to customize it, by vo and even 
>> by software, go that I want to use google short cut key and there is 
>> conflict. But maybe that is an over kill! Is ok, I am that way! :)
>> 
>> On Sep 14, 2011, at 9:41 PM, Garth Humphreys wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi 
>>> I couldn't agree more.  We should definately be able to configure the caps 
>>> lock as the VO keys. Not because this is the way that other screen readers 
>>> do it but because it is in my opinion a smart way of having it. The caps 
>>> lock key is for most people hardly ever used. With googles chrome OS they 
>>> have changed the caps lock key to a search key because they recognise the 
>>> waste of space on the keyboard that the caps lock key currently represents  
>>> On 15/09/2011, at 8:52 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you ask me, they should just get rid of the VO command all together.  I 
>>> think just assigning 1 modifier key as your "VO key would be a lot more 
>>> efficient.  For example, I rather press caps left or right arrow than 
>>> control option left or right arrow.  Especially since all macs come with a 
>>> keyboard with only 1 control key by default now.
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rwalker...@gmail.com
>>> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
>>> www.mobileaccess.org
>>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2011, at 6:33 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>>> 
 Hey Rachel,
 
 I also use an MBP; however, I do typically use an external keyboard, but 
 mainly since the machine is sitting on the desk. I believe with all the 
 commanders available, it almost negates the need for the VO command. :) 
 Well not quite, but getting close. What do you think?
 
 On Sep 13, 2011, at 11:28 PM, Rachel magario wrote:
 
> Hey Scott, haha The joke was for you! but the Question for Keith, I was 
> asking about his type of keyboard. I am also an MBP user! :) So I am glad 
> my nightmare was short! :) 
> Cheers,
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Trackpad

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi guys.
I have a question about the sensitivity of the trackpad. I have a Mac Book Pro 
running under Lion. I thought I knew what I was doing, so I went under 
Preferences and changed the sensitivity so that it was very sensitive. then I 
decided that I had messed it up, so I changed it back while I was in the Apple 
store using the recommendation of the tech there. I think it's at 60 percent or 
something like that. I still don't think I have it right because when I have it 
on, I keep doing things I don't want to when I reach for the keyboard. 

What would you guys recommend I set it for? I thought I would like about the 
sensitivity of the iPhone. I can use the roter onb the iPhone just fine, but I 
have some trouble doing it on my Mac.
Thanks.

Regards,
Gigi

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Re: chrome 15 beta and accessibility

[David Hole]

Hi.
Chrome 15 is still in developer edition.
Chrome 14 is in beta now-a-day.
Check here for more accessibility info:
http://dev.chromium.org/user-experience/screen-reader-support
-David

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 14:37, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
> I just read on an article taht chrome 15 was in beta, so i asssumed that 
> someone had it downloaded.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Yuma
> On 17/09/2011, at 11:31 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>
>> Where might one get the latest Chrome betas? Have hunted them but have yet 
>> to find an url for them and on the chrome website itself you don't get any 
>> links.
>> /Krister
>>
>> 16 sep 2011 kl. 23:25 skrev David McLean:
>>
>>> I don't recall the text box problem but tables seem to work now so they've 
>>> made progress.
>>> On Sep 16, 2011, at 4:24 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote:
>>>
 Hi List,

 I was wondering if the new chrome fixed the issues with text boxes and 
 such?


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Re: Fusion 4, Jaws Video Intercept

[Keith Watson]

Eric,

Are you running Windows 7 in 32 or 64 bit mode?

Thanks,

Keith
On Sep 16, 2011, at 5:57 PM, Eric Caron wrote:

> Hi Keith and others,
> 
>   I have also just upgraded to VM Fusion 4 and all seems well.  It is 
> frustrating to have to get new JAWS authorizations and if you are a JAWS user 
> you will use one up by upgrading.  So far I have had no trouble getting more 
> authorizations when I've called.  The set up on VM Fusion seems a bit 
> different but so far it is pretty easy to understand.  I'm not completely 
> adjusted to this new situation where you leave the full  screen with Command 
> Control Enter and now end up in a open tool bar.  It has the devices in a 
> group and has to be interacted with.  I kind of liked the old way where you 
> could just arrow over to the buttons.  
>   When I close the tool bar there is a unlabeled button two the right.  
> Does anyone know what that is? 
> 
> I feel like my Windows 7 64 version with JAWS 12 is actually less snappy then 
> it was before the upgrade.  Both are running on Lyon. 
> 
> Thanks to Paul's excellent directions on using the key mapping in Vm Fusion I 
> have a much smoother running machine then before.  I would recommend 
> following his suggestions about turning off most of the automatic key mapping 
> and such.  His directions on creating the needed Insert key was also helpful. 
> 
> I am so pleased that I can enjoy my Mac but when convenient do the few 
> Windows things I need so easily.
> 
> I had just purchased VM fusion less then 2 weeks ago.  There is no refund so 
> buying it now is a much better deal.  The free upgrade for me came by getting 
> a new license through a request to support.  I then downloaded the program 
> and followed the directions in the update application that came in the DMG. 
> I read that people that are eligible for the free upgrade will get a email 
> with the new license key but it may take up to 30 days.
> 
> Good luck to everyone updating or starting new.  It is very doable but 
> without the help of people on this list I really would not have been 
> successful on my own.
> 
> Mike's podcast on Blindcooltech.com is very helpful.  it would be great for 
> new folks if someone did a updated cons ice walkthrough, especially as there 
> is a new version.  Even though it seems simple to most people a step by step 
> walk through would save many people a lot of time and frustration.
> 
> 
> eric Caron 
> On Sep 14, 2011, at 9:30 PM, Keith Watson wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Has anyone successfully upgraded to Fusion 4, installed the new Vmware tools 
>> and updated their video intercept? My VM will not start after going through 
>> these hoops. Good thing I have a backup of the VM so that I can at least 
>> attempt to try again on the morrow.
>> 
>> Just curious.
>> 
>> Keith
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Re: Fusion 4 and Window-Eyes

[Keith Watson]

Mike,

I try to keep my particular views of a particular company off lists. There are 
many AT companies that I could voice an opinion of, but choose not to as this 
is not the forum for that sort of conversation. That said, I have never had an 
issue with having my ILM count reset, I have never had an issue with obtaining 
any kind of support from Freedom Scientific at all. Every time I contact them 
for support I have had no issues. 

In any case, to continue the thread on the actual issue that I am having. I 
have been in contact with VMWare support via email and much to my surprise, by 
phone. I spent a couple of hours on the phone with one of their techs last 
night and he was stumped. In the end he took a bunch of screen shots and is 
going to escalate the issue up the line to development. He even downloaded a 
copy of JAWS and is going to attempt to install it and see what happens. I must 
say that I am very impressed with the level of service that I have obtained for 
only a $49.99 purchase price.

Will keep ya'll updated on the progress. I suspect that it may have something 
to do with the fact that the VM is 32-bit and Fusion 4 tools are 64 bit. I am 
going to attempt to create a 64 bit Windows 7 VM today and see if that does not 
make a difference. I really did not want to do that though because of the 
minimum memory requirements needed. I have 4 gig and have 512 allocated to my 
Linux VM and 512 allocated to my XP VM. This seems to give me the best overall 
performance for the tasks that I perform on a daily basis.

Keith


On Sep 16, 2011, at 7:32 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

> Unless something has changed at Freedom Scientific, I'd be surprised if they 
> agree to help you, I heard someone asked for help and when they found out 
> that they were using JFW on a virtual machine on a mac, they said that wasn't 
> supported.
> On Sep 16, 2011, at 6:52 AM, Keith Watson wrote:
> 
>> Mike,
>> 
>> So far neither you or Scott have installed the vmware tools on your
>> upgraded vm's and you are working fine. I have convinced Scott to make
>> a copy of his vm and attempt to install the tools. I have a feeling
>> that it will crash but would like a verification. I have posted a
>> ticket with VMWare and will probably give Freedom Scientific a call
>> today.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> 
>> Keith Watson
>> 813-760-1381
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 15, 2011, at 11:40 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't think it tried to do that, since my windows 7 virtual machine works 
>>> fine the way it is, I'm going to leave it, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
>>> On Sep 15, 2011, at 7:13 PM, Keith Watson wrote:
>>> 
 Mike,
 
 Did your vm automatically try to install vmware tools even after saying no 
 to the upgrade vm option? No matter what I have done it always seems to 
 want to install. I have to cancel and can then use the vm, but it's 
 annoying.
 
 
 On Sep 15, 2011, at 8:10 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
 
> I have window yes, I think it's 7.2 installed, I will try it. I don't see 
> any difference in a version 4 virtual machine, I think it supports hd 
> audio, and better graphics, you might try copying your version 3 virtual 
> machine back, and telling fusion not to upgrade it. By the way, pressing 
> enter at that window eyes prompt does not reboot windows, it just exits 
> window eyes.
> On Sep 15, 2011, at 1:07 PM, Robert Carter wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> After upgrading from VMWare Fusion 3 to 4, fusion asked to upgrade my 
>> Windows XP VM that I had been using with Fusion 3. After upgrading the 
>> VM, Window-Eyes version 7.1 said that the video driver had changed and 
>> that windows needed to restart. Window-Eyes then said press enter to 
>> continue. After that point, I get no sound from the VM at all. I am not 
>> positive whether or not it actually restarted but it appears that it 
>> probably did. At least fusion seems to think that windows is running. At 
>> any rate, if I let it sit for a few minutes, the fan on my Mac starts 
>> running at top speed suggesting that the computer is working extremely 
>> hard.
>> 
>> I booted my system with an earlier SuperDuper clone and of course 
>> Window-Eyes ran fine because I was again using fusion 3. I then 
>> uninstalled Window-Eyes from that SuperDuper clone and copy the VM 
>> without Window-Eyes back to my fusion 4 installation. I then allowed the 
>> XP VM to be upgraded by fusion to work with fusion 4. I then ran System 
>> Access as the screen reader and it works perfectly. I have not yet 
>> decided whether or not I will try installing Window-Eyes but it is 
>> possible that Window-Eyes does not like fusion 4.
>> 
>> Does anybody have fusion 4 working with Window-Eyes in an XP VM?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Robert Carter
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Re: chrome 15 beta and accessibility

[Yuma Decaux]

I just read on an article taht chrome 15 was in beta, so i asssumed that 
someone had it downloaded.

Best regards,

Yuma 
On 17/09/2011, at 11:31 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

> Where might one get the latest Chrome betas? Have hunted them but have yet to 
> find an url for them and on the chrome website itself you don't get any links.
> /Krister
> 
> 16 sep 2011 kl. 23:25 skrev David McLean:
> 
>> I don't recall the text box problem but tables seem to work now so they've 
>> made progress.
>> On Sep 16, 2011, at 4:24 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi List,
>>> 
>>> I was wondering if the new chrome fixed the issues with text boxes and such?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Yuma 
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Re: chrome 15 beta and accessibility

[Krister Ekstrom]

Where might one get the latest Chrome betas? Have hunted them but have yet to 
find an url for them and on the chrome website itself you don't get any links.
/Krister

16 sep 2011 kl. 23:25 skrev David McLean:

> I don't recall the text box problem but tables seem to work now so they've 
> made progress.
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>> 
>> I was wondering if the new chrome fixed the issues with text boxes and such?
>> 
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Yuma 
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Re: using hashtags/in message mentions with yorufukurou

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

Go into YoruFukurou  . preferences and go to the text input tab.  Now uncheck 
auto completion.

hth

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On Sep 17, 2011, at 3:13 AM, Anouk Radix wrote:

> Hi, I just tried to make some hashtags (words with # before them) and in 
> message mentions with yorufukurou but this doesnt seem to work well at all, 
> the cursor gets placed somehwere else in the message and it is very difficult 
> to ocmplete because autocompletion. Is there a way to make these things work 
> efficiently with yoru?
> Thanks,
> Greetings, Anouk,
> 
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where are the new ipods

[Anouk Radix]

Hi everyone, Its half september already but havent heard anything yet about the 
new generation ipod. September traditionally seems to be the time for their 
release.
I really hope that we will get the new iphone and ios in october at least.
Greetings, Anouk,

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using hashtags/in message mentions with yorufukurou

[Anouk Radix]

Hi, I just tried to make some hashtags (words with # before them) and in 
message mentions with yorufukurou but this doesnt seem to work well at all, the 
cursor gets placed somehwere else in the message and it is very difficult to 
ocmplete because autocompletion. Is there a way to make these things work 
efficiently with yoru?
Thanks,
Greetings, Anouk,

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