Re: clearing history

2012-11-26 Thread Stuart Russell
I should have mentioned that I am using the Safari browser with lion.

Stuart


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 How do I clear all the items in my history list?
 
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Re: clearing history

2012-11-26 Thread Red.Falcon
Hi there!
When you are on the history in the menu bar arrow down to the very bottom and 
you should find clear history!
hth colin

On 26 Nov 2012, at 08:52, Stuart Russell stuart...@gmail.com wrote:

 I should have mentioned that I am using the Safari browser with lion.
 
 Stuart
 
   
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 How do I clear all the items in my history list?
 
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need help with something in Voice Over configuration

2012-11-26 Thread Ray Foret Jr
Oh, what a mess I'm in now.

Last night, I had to do a major OS reinstall.  My Time machine disk went out on 
me, so, I wound up formatting the Macintosh HD and did a clean install.  I lost 
absolutely everything; and so, I've spent the night through trying to revive 
the disk, but, without success.

I just had one question.  How do I change Voice Over so that when I pass over 
headings, it doesn't say, heading level 1 and heading level 2 and so forth?

Everything else, I think I can manage.  Just have to manually download all my 
apps and recover all my keys.

Thanks in advance.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
E-Mail Address:
rforetjr at att dot net

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a reminder wanted and an observation about what happened to my Mail account

2012-11-26 Thread Ray Foret Jr
Okay,

I seem to remember there were instructions about how to turn off the preview 
pain in mail; but, forgot how.  A reminder please?  I'm using ML.

Also, I noticed that, when I configured my e-mail account, Apple mail set up my 
ATT U-verse mail account as an Imap account.  I thought that was strange 
because I thought that ATT U-verse does not support Imap accounts.  Also, now 
I think of it, I just entered my e-mail address, and Mail set it up as a yahoo 
Imap account.  Is that normal; or can I get back my old settings?  Can't seem 
to find the junk mail folder or the trash folder, but, I know they are there; 
or seem to be.  It doesn't look like the normal table of boxes I'm used to 
seeing.


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dragging and dropping samples in grageband without sited help

2012-11-26 Thread keith weatherly
does anyone on this list if Apple would possibly be working on a fix 
for voiceover to be able to let a blind musician be able to drag and drop there 
own samples onto the onscreen keyboard without sited help? Other than that one 
problem I give Apple 2 thumbs up for the rest of the hard work and thought that 
they put into making garageband blind friendly.

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a note on running a Mini with no monitor

2012-11-26 Thread -


It is interesting that a monitor without power previntes the mac system 
slowdown.  This sounds as though the mac does a form of a ping to query 
from time to time what is attached.  If it doesn't recieve a return signal 
instantly it does it again and/or waits for a determined time before 
allowing an application to resume activity.


If this is the case, any return signal is not being generated by the 
monitor but the circuit is made at the socket and passes it back to the 
mac.  It would then in principle be possible to find the wire pairs in the 
vga socket and make the return circuit absent a monitor.


XB

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Re: a note on running a Mini with no monitor

2012-11-26 Thread Chris Blouch
This was my conclusion as well and in my old post I provided links to 
some wiring schematics to make a VGA terminator. All the places I could 
find which sold VGA terminators seem to no longer have them in stock. 
The sense pins indicate what resolution the connected display is running 
and my assumption was that with nothing connected the Mac polls 
continually for that information but never gets it. It's hard to tell 
whether this happens at a hardware level or some other API call which 
fails to return quickly because it is waiting on the sense pin results 
which never come.


CB

On 11/26/12 11:54 AM, - wrote:


It is interesting that a monitor without power previntes the mac 
system slowdown. This sounds as though the mac does a form of a ping 
to query from time to time what is attached. If it doesn't recieve a 
return signal instantly it does it again and/or waits for a determined 
time before allowing an application to resume activity.


If this is the case, any return signal is not being generated by the 
monitor but the circuit is made at the socket and passes it back to 
the mac. It would then in principle be possible to find the wire pairs 
in the vga socket and make the return circuit absent a monitor.


XB



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Re: a note on running a Mini with no monitor

2012-11-26 Thread Kristeen Hughes
Hello Mike and all,
As you suggested, Mike, I opened up system information.app and my Mac Mini 
shows that it has a monitor connected. It's the same monitor that was connected 
before I tried running without one. I am totally at a loss. Today when I 
rebooted the system it ran even poorer than it did yesterday. Even with just 
finder running, it is slow and the speech can't say a single sentence without 
breaking up.

Kristeen

On Nov 26, 2012, at 3:35 PM, Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote:

 This was my conclusion as well and in my old post I provided links to some 
 wiring schematics to make a VGA terminator. All the places I could find which 
 sold VGA terminators seem to no longer have them in stock. The sense pins 
 indicate what resolution the connected display is running and my assumption 
 was that with nothing connected the Mac polls continually for that 
 information but never gets it. It's hard to tell whether this happens at a 
 hardware level or some other API call which fails to return quickly because 
 it is waiting on the sense pin results which never come.
 
 CB
 
 On 11/26/12 11:54 AM, - wrote:
 
 It is interesting that a monitor without power previntes the mac system 
 slowdown. This sounds as though the mac does a form of a ping to query from 
 time to time what is attached. If it doesn't recieve a return signal 
 instantly it does it again and/or waits for a determined time before 
 allowing an application to resume activity.
 
 If this is the case, any return signal is not being generated by the monitor 
 but the circuit is made at the socket and passes it back to the mac. It 
 would then in principle be possible to find the wire pairs in the vga socket 
 and make the return circuit absent a monitor.
 
 XB
 
 
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finding mp3 imports in iTunes

2012-11-26 Thread Phil Halton
How can I find the mp3 files I just imported into iTunes? They were untagged 
mp3's, but I thought I could at least find them by searching for their file 
names in the music folder, but no luck. I can't find them anywhere in my iTunes 
library.

This is crazy, can you help? I know that mp3's are by default loaded into the 
music library, but I've looked and can't find them.

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Re: finding mp3 imports in iTunes

2012-11-26 Thread Chris Blouch

Should be in there somewhere. All my random MP3s were in the folder:

~/Music/iTunes/iTunes Music/Unknown Artist/Unknown Album

CB

On 11/26/12 4:36 PM, Phil Halton wrote:
How can I find the mp3 files I just imported into iTunes? They were 
untagged mp3's, but I thought I could at least find them by searching 
for their file names in the music folder, but no luck. I can't find 
them anywhere in my iTunes library.
This is crazy, can you help? I know that mp3's are by default loaded 
into the music library, but I've looked and can't find them.

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Re: finding mp3 imports in iTunes

2012-11-26 Thread Christine Grassman
Speaking of this, I am having trouble editing information for imports. I try to 
modify the fields in info, and I receive an error sound. 
Christine

On Nov 26, 2012, at 4:50 PM, Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote:

 Should be in there somewhere. All my random MP3s were in the folder:
 
 ~/Music/iTunes/iTunes Music/Unknown Artist/Unknown Album
 
 CB
 
 On 11/26/12 4:36 PM, Phil Halton wrote:
 How can I find the mp3 files I just imported into iTunes? They were untagged 
 mp3's, but I thought I could at least find them by searching for their file 
 names in the music folder, but no luck. I can't find them anywhere in my 
 iTunes library.
  
 This is crazy, can you help? I know that mp3's are by default loaded into 
 the music library, but I've looked and can't find them.
  
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Re: finding mp3 imports in iTunes

2012-11-26 Thread Phil Halton
Chris, turns out the files I was importing were corrupted. Even though, I 
thought I'd find the corrupted files in iTunes. I'm assuming it was the 
corruption factor that did something to make the files invisible - maybe they 
were'nt actually imported.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chris Blouch 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 4:50 PM
  Subject: Re: finding mp3 imports in iTunes


  Should be in there somewhere. All my random MP3s were in the folder:

  ~/Music/iTunes/iTunes Music/Unknown Artist/Unknown Album

  CB


  On 11/26/12 4:36 PM, Phil Halton wrote:

How can I find the mp3 files I just imported into iTunes? They were 
untagged mp3's, but I thought I could at least find them by searching for their 
file names in the music folder, but no luck. I can't find them anywhere in my 
iTunes library.

This is crazy, can you help? I know that mp3's are by default loaded into 
the music library, but I've looked and can't find them.

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Re: finding mp3 imports in iTunes

2012-11-26 Thread Phil Halton
christine, it's really not nice to hyjack a topic, ya know. It's simple enough 
to just start a new thread. It's not just for me, people searching the archives 
will get the hyjacked thread to.

hyjacking is when you change the direction of a message thread to something 
other than the origional topic.
. 
- Original Message - 
  From: Christine Grassman 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 4:58 PM
  Subject: Re: finding mp3 imports in iTunes


  Speaking of this, I am having trouble editing information for imports. I try 
to modify the fields in info, and I receive an error sound. 
  Christine


  On Nov 26, 2012, at 4:50 PM, Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote:


Should be in there somewhere. All my random MP3s were in the folder:

~/Music/iTunes/iTunes Music/Unknown Artist/Unknown Album

CB


On 11/26/12 4:36 PM, Phil Halton wrote:

  How can I find the mp3 files I just imported into iTunes? They were 
untagged mp3's, but I thought I could at least find them by searching for their 
file names in the music folder, but no luck. I can't find them anywhere in my 
iTunes library.

  This is crazy, can you help? I know that mp3's are by default loaded into 
the music library, but I've looked and can't find them.

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Re: finding mp3 imports in iTunes

2012-11-26 Thread Esther
Hi Phil and Others,

You can always find items that you add to iTunes, even with no tag
information, by selecting the Recenly Added smart playlist in the
sources list. Then use VO-J or else navigate with your arrow keys to
the list of tracks, which will appear in the chronological order they
were added to iTunes.  Use VO-J again to jump back to the smart
playlist in the sources list. The Recently Added smart playlist
contains all tracks added to iTunes in the last two weeks that are not
flagged as podcasts. You can modify the criteria in the rules section
to change this (e.g. to make this tracks added in the last day, or
over a specific date range) by using the context menu (VO-Shift-M)
when focused on this smart playlist to choose the option to edit the
smart playlist.  Alternatively, you can create your own smart playlist
based on date added and any tag information you may have.

You can also identify the untagged tracks by pressing space bar to
play/pause tracks in your smart playlist, then arrow down to the next
and use space bar to play/pause the next track.  Then you can select a
bunch of these tracks by holding down your shift key while you arrow
down through the group you want, and do a Command-I (get info) to
edit the tag fields for album and artist.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther


   On Nov 26, 2012, at 4:50 PM, Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote:

     Should be in there somewhere. All my random MP3s were in the folder:

     ~/Music/iTunes/iTunes Music/Unknown Artist/Unknown Album

     CB

     On 11/26/12 4:36 PM, Phil Halton wrote:

       How can I find the mp3 files I just imported into iTunes? They were 
 untagged mp3's, but I thought I could at least find them by searching for 
 their file names in the music folder, but no luck. I can't find them anywhere 
 in my iTunes library.

       This is crazy, can you help? I know that mp3's are by default loaded 
 into the music library, but I've looked and can't find them.


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Re: a note on running a Mini with no monitor

2012-11-26 Thread Ioana Gandrabur
wow,
I have a mac mini mid 2010 is this still one that runs with the fake monitor 
adaptor thing? I find it works ok for me but now I am wondering if I would get 
better performance if I hooked up a real monitor. Does anyone know with which 
version of mini this changes/

Thanks,

Ioana 

Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
stores.

On Nov 25, 2012, at 10:32 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:

 Right, I never turn the monitor on that attached to either of my mac minis, 
 still, it's annoying that it requires that. Fortunately I already had these 
 monitors, it would be difficult to justify buying a monitor that I would not 
 use.
 On Nov 25, 2012, at 7:07 PM, Jesus Garcia jesusga...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 No the cable alone is not sufficient the machine needs to see a monitor at
 the other end of the connection. However it does not have to be turned on so
 far as I have been able to determine. 
 
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 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
 Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 19:06
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: a note on running a Mini with no monitor
 
 With the older minis, there was an adapter you could get that allowed the
 mini's dvi port to connect to a regular TV. If this adapter was connected,
 the mini would work fine. That doesn't work on the newer minis though.
 Depending on what mini you have, it probably has a mini display port, and
 either a mini dvi port or HDMI port. With these, the only way I have found
 to make this work is to connect a monitor of some kind, I don't think just
 the cable is sufficient, I could be wrong there though.
 On Nov 25, 2012, at 2:43 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 I am way too nice and let a friend have my vga cable. I now have no
 monitor hooked up to my Mini, which is running 10.8.2, and said mini would
 be glaring at me if it could. It is slow to do just about everything, and
 nothing is running now that was not running when I shut down a couple days
 ago. So, for me at least, a monitor is indeed essential. Now I just have to
 pray for a vga cable to fall out of the sky...
 
 
 Have a great day,
 Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
 mehg...@gmail.com
 
 
 
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zinio on the i pad

2012-11-26 Thread cait furness
Hi,
Is anybody successfully using zinio to read magazines on the i pad 2?  I have 
it on my i phone and love it and use it all the time to read magazines I'm 
subscribed to, but am having problems reading the same magazines on my i pad. 
It seems to default to showing images of the pages instead of text like the i 
phone, which gives you the choice.. anyone know how to fix this?  I've looked 
around and can't seem to find anything obvious..

Thanks a bunch if you can help, if not I'll just use this app on my phone.
Caitlyn

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Re: zinio on the i pad

2012-11-26 Thread Mary Otten
I was never able to read anything using zinio on the IPad. Works great on my 
4S, but nothing doing on my original iPad. 
Mary Otten
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Re: finding mp3 imports in iTunes

2012-11-26 Thread Christine Grassman
As usual, Esther, your clear, concise, exceedingly helpful, and professional 
response is deeply appreciated. :)
Christine
On Nov 26, 2012, at 6:17 PM, Esther mori...@mac.com wrote:

 Hi Phil and Others,
 
 You can always find items that you add to iTunes, even with no tag
 information, by selecting the Recenly Added smart playlist in the
 sources list. Then use VO-J or else navigate with your arrow keys to
 the list of tracks, which will appear in the chronological order they
 were added to iTunes.  Use VO-J again to jump back to the smart
 playlist in the sources list. The Recently Added smart playlist
 contains all tracks added to iTunes in the last two weeks that are not
 flagged as podcasts. You can modify the criteria in the rules section
 to change this (e.g. to make this tracks added in the last day, or
 over a specific date range) by using the context menu (VO-Shift-M)
 when focused on this smart playlist to choose the option to edit the
 smart playlist.  Alternatively, you can create your own smart playlist
 based on date added and any tag information you may have.
 
 You can also identify the untagged tracks by pressing space bar to
 play/pause tracks in your smart playlist, then arrow down to the next
 and use space bar to play/pause the next track.  Then you can select a
 bunch of these tracks by holding down your shift key while you arrow
 down through the group you want, and do a Command-I (get info) to
 edit the tag fields for album and artist.
 
 HTH.  Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
 
   On Nov 26, 2012, at 4:50 PM, Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote:
 
 Should be in there somewhere. All my random MP3s were in the folder:
 
 ~/Music/iTunes/iTunes Music/Unknown Artist/Unknown Album
 
 CB
 
 On 11/26/12 4:36 PM, Phil Halton wrote:
 
   How can I find the mp3 files I just imported into iTunes? They were 
 untagged mp3's, but I thought I could at least find them by searching for 
 their file names in the music folder, but no luck. I can't find them 
 anywhere in my iTunes library.
 
   This is crazy, can you help? I know that mp3's are by default loaded 
 into the music library, but I've looked and can't find them.
 
 
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Re: finding mp3 imports in iTunes

2012-11-26 Thread Cheryl Homiak
If they were imported they would be harder to find without an artist and album. 
If you arrange your library according to the date added the most recently added 
files will be either at the bottom or the top in your music library. You do 
this by getting on the date added column and doing vokeys-c to make sure you 
are on the right column and then doing vo-shift-backslash if you want to order 
by that column. You may just be able to look down the column to find the right 
date without rearranging anything. If you don't have a date added in the 
music browser, do cmd-j for the viewing options and check the date added box 
and then press ok or just press return. If you aren't in the music browser 
view, you change this by doing vokeys-m and going over to the view column and 
changing to this; there might be a quicker way to change to that view but I 
can't think of it right now. Before I figured this out, I had quite a few 
entries in my library I didn't know about since the album and artist were blank.


Hth.
 
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and the meditation of my heart
be acceptable to You, Lord,
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On Nov 26, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com wrote:

 Chris, turns out the files I was importing were corrupted. Even though, I 
 thought I'd find the corrupted files in iTunes. I'm assuming it was the 
 corruption factor that did something to make the files invisible - maybe they 
 were'nt actually imported.
  
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 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 4:50 PM
 Subject: Re: finding mp3 imports in iTunes
 
 Should be in there somewhere. All my random MP3s were in the folder:
 
 ~/Music/iTunes/iTunes Music/Unknown Artist/Unknown Album
 
 CB
 
 On 11/26/12 4:36 PM, Phil Halton wrote:
 How can I find the mp3 files I just imported into iTunes? They were untagged 
 mp3's, but I thought I could at least find them by searching for their file 
 names in the music folder, but no luck. I can't find them anywhere in my 
 iTunes library.
  
 This is crazy, can you help? I know that mp3's are by default loaded into 
 the music library, but I've looked and can't find them.
  
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Re: finding mp3 imports in iTunes

2012-11-26 Thread Cheryl Homiak
Oh yeah, that's true. I had forgotten this because sometimes when i did this 
the items were not recently added. Sorry for making it complicated!

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On Nov 26, 2012, at 5:17 PM, Esther mori...@mac.com wrote:

 Hi Phil and Others,
 
 You can always find items that you add to iTunes, even with no tag
 information, by selecting the Recenly Added smart playlist in the
 sources list. Then use VO-J or else navigate with your arrow keys to
 the list of tracks, which will appear in the chronological order they
 were added to iTunes.  Use VO-J again to jump back to the smart
 playlist in the sources list. The Recently Added smart playlist
 contains all tracks added to iTunes in the last two weeks that are not
 flagged as podcasts. You can modify the criteria in the rules section
 to change this (e.g. to make this tracks added in the last day, or
 over a specific date range) by using the context menu (VO-Shift-M)
 when focused on this smart playlist to choose the option to edit the
 smart playlist.  Alternatively, you can create your own smart playlist
 based on date added and any tag information you may have.
 
 You can also identify the untagged tracks by pressing space bar to
 play/pause tracks in your smart playlist, then arrow down to the next
 and use space bar to play/pause the next track.  Then you can select a
 bunch of these tracks by holding down your shift key while you arrow
 down through the group you want, and do a Command-I (get info) to
 edit the tag fields for album and artist.
 
 HTH.  Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
 
   On Nov 26, 2012, at 4:50 PM, Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote:
 
 Should be in there somewhere. All my random MP3s were in the folder:
 
 ~/Music/iTunes/iTunes Music/Unknown Artist/Unknown Album
 
 CB
 
 On 11/26/12 4:36 PM, Phil Halton wrote:
 
   How can I find the mp3 files I just imported into iTunes? They were 
 untagged mp3's, but I thought I could at least find them by searching for 
 their file names in the music folder, but no luck. I can't find them 
 anywhere in my iTunes library.
 
   This is crazy, can you help? I know that mp3's are by default loaded 
 into the music library, but I've looked and can't find them.
 
 
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Re: zinio on the i pad

2012-11-26 Thread cait furness
Wow, ok, thanks, Mary.  Too bad, but at least it works great on the i phone.
Caitlyn

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 I was never able to read anything using zinio on the IPad. Works great on my 
 4S, but nothing doing on my original iPad. 
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Re: vo randomly restarts in safari

2012-11-26 Thread Chris Blouch

There are a couple difficulties with the secret repair approach:

1. It enables developers to continue with bad habits which they will 
apply to more and more pages over time. At some point they need to learn 
to stop doing bad things. Often time the bad behavior also conflicts 
with web standards and best practices so sloppy code will break other 
things down the road (canary in the coal mine scenarios). The show up as 
weird intermittent hard to track down issues which burn up developer 
time 'fixing accessibility'.


2. The automated repair techniques can also get it wrong, making correct 
page code do bad things, or do the repair incorrectly in some 
situations. This makes some bugs hard to track down since a chunk of bad 
code in one situation works ok but fails in the other leaving the 
developer scratching their heads and just saying the screen readers are 
buggy, inconsistent and therefore accessibility is just to much work.


3. It's a black hole for screen reader developer time. I'm sure the 
Jaws, NVDA or VoiceOver developers can pretty quickly define how much 
implementation time it will take to parse correct HTML and give a 
reasonable text representation, but how many use cases and scenarios are 
there to implement for handling all the incorrect HTML? An infinite 
number of monkeys and typewriters might be able to do that but most 
companies have finite budgets, even Apple.


CB

On 11/24/12 2:57 PM, James Mannion wrote:

I would say if the screen reader can fix bad code and make it work
the way it should have, please do it! There are more than plenty of
instances where you will never get the developer to fix it or even
begin to care. If you do then there are advantages to that, but who
knows how many weeks, months or years it would take for that to
happen. So how about if the screen reader told you it corrected
something, allowed you to turn that functionality off if you really
wanted to and then you could get tings done and then take all your
time trying to right the world in Nigotiations with the developer if
you wanted to. Have fun.

On 11/24/12, Jürgen Fleger apple-engl...@fleger.net wrote:

Got it. That's really interesting. I like this way of philosophie. But on
the other hand for a simple user the most important seems to be that the
screen reader just works. The average user is probably not interested in
technical back ground stuff but in just working with a web side as easily as
possible. Eventually that's Apples philosophie in all there products for
sighted customers.
I wished they tried to implement some stuff in VO to compensate bad code
from web side developers. In the end it takes my time to surf a web side not
theirs.
But thanks again for your explanation. It gives me more clarity.
Jürgen

Am 24.11.2012 um 01:45 schrieb Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com:


One problem with Jaws is that it will attempt to 'repair' bad HTML under
the hood. For testing this masks errors in a site from developers such
that Jaws might work ok but other screen readers are not as tolerant of
bad code in a particular setup. VoiceOver on Mac and NVDA on Windows do
not attempt to repair bad code and rely on developers doing the right
thing to begin with. This philosophical difference means comparisons of
compatibility between Jaws and any other screen reader/browser combo just
isn't going to match.

CB

On 11/22/12 11:18 AM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:

That happens here as well. Apple probably will tell you that it depends
how the side is built.
I recently discribed to them the issue that VO quite often doesn't
interact with a web page, despite the fact that it's checked in the the
VO settings. They told me it depends on the web side not on VO. My
impression is Safari is not built to support all the possibilities of
VoiceOver. And so it seems not to work reliablly. But I wonder why it
works in Internet Explorer and Jaws on the same side. Maybe the structure
of Internet Explorer allows a better compatibility to a screen reader. I
don't know. But if it is not a VO issue and it works in Windows screen
readers it might be so.

Am 20.11.2012 um 18:53 schrieb Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com:


Hi all,
Every so often, when I load or reload a page, vo will restart. I will
hear Voiceover on after several seconds of intense activity from the
hard drive, and things will proceed normally from there. Why would vo be
crashing, and are there logs I could use to pinpoint the problem or at
least tell Apple what is going on?


Have a great day,
Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
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Google problems again

2012-11-26 Thread Brian Fischler
Well Google did it again. Not sure how anyone in the world can say
google cares about accessibility and the fact that there is a Google
Access Twitter account is absolutely laughable. They changed how
Google search results come up, and go figure you used to be able to
click on search tools as a lot of time I need to search for results in
the last week, now I can't seem to find that anywhere. Just a bunch of
inaccessible pop down boxes and stuff when you click on it it does
nothing. How anyone in the world can think Google is a progressive
thinking company when it comes to accessibility blows my mind. And
someone of you are excited for the google self driving car? Seriously
you are going to trust a company to put you behind the wheel that
can't seem to ever made one positive step forward with their search
engine or google apps. Seriously it is laughable. Anyway, had to vent
a little, but if anyone has figure out how to do a search for the last
week or 24 hours, please do let me know

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Re: vo randomly restarts in safari

2012-11-26 Thread James Mannion
You make some good points that I can't disagree with. If we could just
have developed standards and have them used, that would take us down
the best route I think.

On 11/26/12, Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote:
 There are a couple difficulties with the secret repair approach:

 1. It enables developers to continue with bad habits which they will
 apply to more and more pages over time. At some point they need to learn
 to stop doing bad things. Often time the bad behavior also conflicts
 with web standards and best practices so sloppy code will break other
 things down the road (canary in the coal mine scenarios). The show up as
 weird intermittent hard to track down issues which burn up developer
 time 'fixing accessibility'.

 2. The automated repair techniques can also get it wrong, making correct
 page code do bad things, or do the repair incorrectly in some
 situations. This makes some bugs hard to track down since a chunk of bad
 code in one situation works ok but fails in the other leaving the
 developer scratching their heads and just saying the screen readers are
 buggy, inconsistent and therefore accessibility is just to much work.

 3. It's a black hole for screen reader developer time. I'm sure the
 Jaws, NVDA or VoiceOver developers can pretty quickly define how much
 implementation time it will take to parse correct HTML and give a
 reasonable text representation, but how many use cases and scenarios are
 there to implement for handling all the incorrect HTML? An infinite
 number of monkeys and typewriters might be able to do that but most
 companies have finite budgets, even Apple.

 CB

 On 11/24/12 2:57 PM, James Mannion wrote:
 I would say if the screen reader can fix bad code and make it work
 the way it should have, please do it! There are more than plenty of
 instances where you will never get the developer to fix it or even
 begin to care. If you do then there are advantages to that, but who
 knows how many weeks, months or years it would take for that to
 happen. So how about if the screen reader told you it corrected
 something, allowed you to turn that functionality off if you really
 wanted to and then you could get tings done and then take all your
 time trying to right the world in Nigotiations with the developer if
 you wanted to. Have fun.

 On 11/24/12, Jürgen Fleger apple-engl...@fleger.net wrote:
 Got it. That's really interesting. I like this way of philosophie. But
 on
 the other hand for a simple user the most important seems to be that
 the
 screen reader just works. The average user is probably not interested
 in
 technical back ground stuff but in just working with a web side as easily
 as
 possible. Eventually that's Apples philosophie in all there products for
 sighted customers.
 I wished they tried to implement some stuff in VO to compensate bad code
 from web side developers. In the end it takes my time to surf a web side
 not
 theirs.
 But thanks again for your explanation. It gives me more clarity.
 Jürgen

 Am 24.11.2012 um 01:45 schrieb Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com:

 One problem with Jaws is that it will attempt to 'repair' bad HTML
 under
 the hood. For testing this masks errors in a site from developers such
 that Jaws might work ok but other screen readers are not as tolerant of
 bad code in a particular setup. VoiceOver on Mac and NVDA on Windows do
 not attempt to repair bad code and rely on developers doing the right
 thing to begin with. This philosophical difference means comparisons of
 compatibility between Jaws and any other screen reader/browser combo
 just
 isn't going to match.

 CB

 On 11/22/12 11:18 AM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:
 That happens here as well. Apple probably will tell you that it
 depends
 how the side is built.
 I recently discribed to them the issue that VO quite often doesn't
 interact with a web page, despite the fact that it's checked in the
 the
 VO settings. They told me it depends on the web side not on VO. My
 impression is Safari is not built to support all the possibilities of
 VoiceOver. And so it seems not to work reliablly. But I wonder why it
 works in Internet Explorer and Jaws on the same side. Maybe the
 structure
 of Internet Explorer allows a better compatibility to a screen reader.
 I
 don't know. But if it is not a VO issue and it works in Windows screen
 readers it might be so.

 Am 20.11.2012 um 18:53 schrieb Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com:

 Hi all,
 Every so often, when I load or reload a page, vo will restart. I will
 hear Voiceover on after several seconds of intense activity from
 the
 hard drive, and things will proceed normally from there. Why would vo
 be
 crashing, and are there logs I could use to pinpoint the problem or
 at
 least tell Apple what is going on?


 Have a great day,
 Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
 mehg...@gmail.com



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Re: vo randomly restarts in safari

2012-11-26 Thread Chris Blouch
Yup. That has been an ongoing fight for years going back to the Web 
Standard Project and Jeffry Zeldman.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Standards_Project
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Zeldman

I use the canary and future proofing arguments with developers all the 
time to try and convince them to fix bad stuff under the hood, which 
generally makes screen readers work better.


CB

On 11/26/12 10:09 PM, James Mannion wrote:

You make some good points that I can't disagree with. If we could just
have developed standards and have them used, that would take us down
the best route I think.

On 11/26/12, Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote:

There are a couple difficulties with the secret repair approach:

1. It enables developers to continue with bad habits which they will
apply to more and more pages over time. At some point they need to learn
to stop doing bad things. Often time the bad behavior also conflicts
with web standards and best practices so sloppy code will break other
things down the road (canary in the coal mine scenarios). The show up as
weird intermittent hard to track down issues which burn up developer
time 'fixing accessibility'.

2. The automated repair techniques can also get it wrong, making correct
page code do bad things, or do the repair incorrectly in some
situations. This makes some bugs hard to track down since a chunk of bad
code in one situation works ok but fails in the other leaving the
developer scratching their heads and just saying the screen readers are
buggy, inconsistent and therefore accessibility is just to much work.

3. It's a black hole for screen reader developer time. I'm sure the
Jaws, NVDA or VoiceOver developers can pretty quickly define how much
implementation time it will take to parse correct HTML and give a
reasonable text representation, but how many use cases and scenarios are
there to implement for handling all the incorrect HTML? An infinite
number of monkeys and typewriters might be able to do that but most
companies have finite budgets, even Apple.

CB

On 11/24/12 2:57 PM, James Mannion wrote:

I would say if the screen reader can fix bad code and make it work
the way it should have, please do it! There are more than plenty of
instances where you will never get the developer to fix it or even
begin to care. If you do then there are advantages to that, but who
knows how many weeks, months or years it would take for that to
happen. So how about if the screen reader told you it corrected
something, allowed you to turn that functionality off if you really
wanted to and then you could get tings done and then take all your
time trying to right the world in Nigotiations with the developer if
you wanted to. Have fun.

On 11/24/12, Jürgen Fleger apple-engl...@fleger.net wrote:

Got it. That's really interesting. I like this way of philosophie. But
on
the other hand for a simple user the most important seems to be that
the
screen reader just works. The average user is probably not interested
in
technical back ground stuff but in just working with a web side as easily
as
possible. Eventually that's Apples philosophie in all there products for
sighted customers.
I wished they tried to implement some stuff in VO to compensate bad code
from web side developers. In the end it takes my time to surf a web side
not
theirs.
But thanks again for your explanation. It gives me more clarity.
Jürgen

Am 24.11.2012 um 01:45 schrieb Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com:


One problem with Jaws is that it will attempt to 'repair' bad HTML
under
the hood. For testing this masks errors in a site from developers such
that Jaws might work ok but other screen readers are not as tolerant of
bad code in a particular setup. VoiceOver on Mac and NVDA on Windows do
not attempt to repair bad code and rely on developers doing the right
thing to begin with. This philosophical difference means comparisons of
compatibility between Jaws and any other screen reader/browser combo
just
isn't going to match.

CB

On 11/22/12 11:18 AM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:

That happens here as well. Apple probably will tell you that it
depends
how the side is built.
I recently discribed to them the issue that VO quite often doesn't
interact with a web page, despite the fact that it's checked in the
the
VO settings. They told me it depends on the web side not on VO. My
impression is Safari is not built to support all the possibilities of
VoiceOver. And so it seems not to work reliablly. But I wonder why it
works in Internet Explorer and Jaws on the same side. Maybe the
structure
of Internet Explorer allows a better compatibility to a screen reader.
I
don't know. But if it is not a VO issue and it works in Windows screen
readers it might be so.

Am 20.11.2012 um 18:53 schrieb Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com:


Hi all,
Every so often, when I load or reload a page, vo will restart. I will
hear Voiceover on after several seconds of intense activity from
the
hard drive, and things will proceed normally from there. Why 

Re: finding mp3 imports in iTunes

2012-11-26 Thread Esther
Hi Cheryl,

Been there, done that grin.  Sometimes I want to find imported items in 
iTunes that were not recently added, but which may have problematic tagging, 
and I find it easiest to use the Recently Added smart playlist but just edit 
it to temporarily change the date added in the rules section from 2 weeks to 
4 weeks, or 2 months, etc.  That's why I added the comments about moving to 
the Recently Added smart playlist in the sources list, bringing up the 
context menu with VO-Shift-M, and selecting Edit smart playlist in the menu.  
You only need to arrow over to the rules section and interact, then navigate 
to the first rule that is Date added in the last 2 weeks.  You can just type 
a different number in the text box to make this 4 weeks, or you can VO-space on 
the pop up button for weeks and change this to months or days.  Or you 
can do any combination of the above and then press the OK button (or just  
press the return key) to have your new rules take effect.

There's another way to make finding untagged tracks easier, and that's to use 
the column browser in combination with your Recently Added smart playlist to 
find entries that you need to tag.  While focused on the Recently Added smart 
playlist in the sources list, navigate to the iTunes menu bar to the View 
menu (VO-M or Control-F2 to the menu bar, then press v), arrow down, press 
c to move to the Column browser then right arrow to the submenu and arrow 
down to any entries you want displayed in the column browser, such as Artists 
or Albums.  (You'll have to navigate to this sub-menu each time you want to 
check or uncheck any of the selections.)  I have the options for Artists, 
Albums, and Genres checked, along with view mode on top, which used to be 
the default setup in iTunes before version 8, but this is entirely optional.

Now, when I select the Recently Added smart playlist I can also toggle the 
column browser between show and hide modes with Command-B. The column browser 
adds a set of columns for my checked selections of Artists and Albums that 
appears before the tracks in the songs table.  If I navigate to Albums and 
select Unknown Album, then only the tracks in my Recently Added smart 
playlist that don't have album tags will show up in the songs table, and I can 
select any of them for tagging.  If I only added one album, I can select all 
(with Command-A) and then do a Command-I (get info) to edit their tag fields.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther
 
On Nov 26, 2012, at 15:07, Cheryl Homiak wrote:

 Oh yeah, that's true. I had forgotten this because sometimes when i did this 
 the items were not recently added. Sorry for making it complicated!
 
 -- 
 Cheryl
 
 May the words of my mouth
 and the meditation of my heart
 be acceptable to You, Lord,
 my rock and my Redeemer.
 (Psalm 19:14 HCSB)
 
 
 
 On Nov 26, 2012, at 5:17 PM, Esther mori...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Phil and Others,
 
 You can always find items that you add to iTunes, even with no tag
 information, by selecting the Recenly Added smart playlist in the
 sources list. Then use VO-J or else navigate with your arrow keys to
 the list of tracks, which will appear in the chronological order they
 were added to iTunes.  Use VO-J again to jump back to the smart
 playlist in the sources list. The Recently Added smart playlist
 contains all tracks added to iTunes in the last two weeks that are not
 flagged as podcasts. You can modify the criteria in the rules section
 to change this (e.g. to make this tracks added in the last day, or
 over a specific date range) by using the context menu (VO-Shift-M)
 when focused on this smart playlist to choose the option to edit the
 smart playlist.  Alternatively, you can create your own smart playlist
 based on date added and any tag information you may have.
 
 You can also identify the untagged tracks by pressing space bar to
 play/pause tracks in your smart playlist, then arrow down to the next
 and use space bar to play/pause the next track.  Then you can select a
 bunch of these tracks by holding down your shift key while you arrow
 down through the group you want, and do a Command-I (get info) to
 edit the tag fields for album and artist.
 
 HTH.  Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
 
   On Nov 26, 2012, at 4:50 PM, Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote:
 
 Should be in there somewhere. All my random MP3s were in the folder:
 
 ~/Music/iTunes/iTunes Music/Unknown Artist/Unknown Album
 
 CB
 
 On 11/26/12 4:36 PM, Phil Halton wrote:
 
   How can I find the mp3 files I just imported into iTunes? They were 
 untagged mp3's, but I thought I could at least find them by searching for 
 their file names in the music folder, but no luck. I can't find them 
 anywhere in my iTunes library.
 
   This is crazy, can you help? I know that mp3's are by default loaded 
 into the music library, but I've looked and can't find them.
 
 

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Re: a note on running a Mini with no monitor

2012-11-26 Thread Mike Arrigo
Ok, let's try this. Again, go to your utilities folder and open activity 
monitor. Is anything in there consuming a large amount of processor resources? 
Sometimes left over print jobs can do this.
On Nov 26, 2012, at 3:29 PM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello Mike and all,
 As you suggested, Mike, I opened up system information.app and my Mac Mini 
 shows that it has a monitor connected. It's the same monitor that was 
 connected before I tried running without one. I am totally at a loss. Today 
 when I rebooted the system it ran even poorer than it did yesterday. Even 
 with just finder running, it is slow and the speech can't say a single 
 sentence without breaking up.
 
 Kristeen
 
 On Nov 26, 2012, at 3:35 PM, Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote:
 
 This was my conclusion as well and in my old post I provided links to some 
 wiring schematics to make a VGA terminator. All the places I could find 
 which sold VGA terminators seem to no longer have them in stock. The sense 
 pins indicate what resolution the connected display is running and my 
 assumption was that with nothing connected the Mac polls continually for 
 that information but never gets it. It's hard to tell whether this happens 
 at a hardware level or some other API call which fails to return quickly 
 because it is waiting on the sense pin results which never come.
 
 CB
 
 On 11/26/12 11:54 AM, - wrote:
 
 It is interesting that a monitor without power previntes the mac system 
 slowdown. This sounds as though the mac does a form of a ping to query from 
 time to time what is attached. If it doesn't recieve a return signal 
 instantly it does it again and/or waits for a determined time before 
 allowing an application to resume activity.
 
 If this is the case, any return signal is not being generated by the 
 monitor but the circuit is made at the socket and passes it back to the 
 mac. It would then in principle be possible to find the wire pairs in the 
 vga socket and make the return circuit absent a monitor.
 
 XB
 
 
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Re: Memory upgrade

2012-11-26 Thread Chris Blouch
Do you know which model/year they are. I haven't done an upgrade to mine 
but I think newer (Mid 2010 or later) models you just turn the base to 
open it up and snap in bigger modules. Before that it was careful work 
with a putty knife to pry open the case and not crack it. If it's a 
newer model you might try it yourself or maybe the folks at the genius 
bar could even do it. Which memory depends on which model as well which 
effects the cost. So if you had a mid-year 2010 mini it takes PC-8500 
DDR3 RAM:


http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4223

8GB of RAM (the max for this model) from Other World Computing is about $50:

http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/memory/Apple_Mac_mini/DDR3

CB

On 11/21/12 1:15 PM, Kristeen Hughes wrote:

I have two Mac minis and both of them need a memory upgrade desperately. I 
notice a lot of trouble especially now that I have mountain lion. Could someone 
tell me how much it costs? Also, is this something I need to have the Apple 
Store do for me? I'm assuming that it is, and that I will need to call to make 
an appointment.

Kristeen Hughes
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Mactubes

2012-11-26 Thread Lisette Wesseling
Hi,
Can someone confirm that it is definitely not possible to download audio from 
YouTube videos using MacTubes? I can play videos fine.
I can't see any options for it in the programme, and I know YouTube clamped 
down on converting its videos into mp3 a while ago.
I thought I might be overlooking something. Thanks.

Lisette

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Re: Google problems again

2012-11-26 Thread Blake Sinnett
Actually, the blame should be placed on Apple for not supporting all of the 
HTML elements correctly in VoiceOver. FYI, the search tools link is not far 
above the results heading. That brings up several options, one of them being 
the time option you're looking for. You then need to find the text that says 
any time. Press VO-Command-F5 to route the mouse to it and click. That 
should expand it and let you choose the time you need.


I hate saying this, but I have no problems with Firefox and NVDA on Windows. 
All the element attributes are reported correctly. The any time text shows 
as clickable. I press enter and away I go. The web browsing experience on 
the Mac still has a little way to go. It's 95% there now, but full support 
of element attribute reporting and interaction among a couple other things 
and it'll be perfect.


HTH,
Blake

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Subject: Google problems again


Well Google did it again. Not sure how anyone in the world can say
google cares about accessibility and the fact that there is a Google
Access Twitter account is absolutely laughable. They changed how
Google search results come up, and go figure you used to be able to
click on search tools as a lot of time I need to search for results in
the last week, now I can't seem to find that anywhere. Just a bunch of
inaccessible pop down boxes and stuff when you click on it it does
nothing. How anyone in the world can think Google is a progressive
thinking company when it comes to accessibility blows my mind. And
someone of you are excited for the google self driving car? Seriously
you are going to trust a company to put you behind the wheel that
can't seem to ever made one positive step forward with their search
engine or google apps. Seriously it is laughable. Anyway, had to vent
a little, but if anyone has figure out how to do a search for the last
week or 24 hours, please do let me know

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Re: Google problems again

2012-11-26 Thread Chris Bruinenberg
I was just going to say that!
Works great with nvda. 


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 26, 2012, at 8:44 PM, Blake Sinnett frequency...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Actually, the blame should be placed on Apple for not supporting all of the 
 HTML elements correctly in VoiceOver. FYI, the search tools link is not far 
 above the results heading. That brings up several options, one of them being 
 the time option you're looking for. You then need to find the text that says 
 any time. Press VO-Command-F5 to route the mouse to it and click. That should 
 expand it and let you choose the time you need.
 
 I hate saying this, but I have no problems with Firefox and NVDA on Windows. 
 All the element attributes are reported correctly. The any time text shows as 
 clickable. I press enter and away I go. The web browsing experience on the 
 Mac still has a little way to go. It's 95% there now, but full support of 
 element attribute reporting and interaction among a couple other things and 
 it'll be perfect.
 
 HTH,
 Blake
 
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 From: Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com
 Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 9:02 PM
 To: MacVisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Google problems again
 
 Well Google did it again. Not sure how anyone in the world can say
 google cares about accessibility and the fact that there is a Google
 Access Twitter account is absolutely laughable. They changed how
 Google search results come up, and go figure you used to be able to
 click on search tools as a lot of time I need to search for results in
 the last week, now I can't seem to find that anywhere. Just a bunch of
 inaccessible pop down boxes and stuff when you click on it it does
 nothing. How anyone in the world can think Google is a progressive
 thinking company when it comes to accessibility blows my mind. And
 someone of you are excited for the google self driving car? Seriously
 you are going to trust a company to put you behind the wheel that
 can't seem to ever made one positive step forward with their search
 engine or google apps. Seriously it is laughable. Anyway, had to vent
 a little, but if anyone has figure out how to do a search for the last
 week or 24 hours, please do let me know
 
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Re: Mactubes

2012-11-26 Thread Cheryl Homiak
No, I can't confirm that because I am downloading using MacTubes right this 
minute as I have been doing since I got this app. I do my search, start my song 
playing, then do vokeys-shift-m on the player menu and arrow down to download 
and choose my option; usually hd and mp4 are available.

Hth.

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May the words of my mouth
and the meditation of my heart
be acceptable to You, Lord,
my rock and my Redeemer.
(Psalm 19:14 HCSB)



On Nov 26, 2012, at 10:44 PM, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Hi,
 Can someone confirm that it is definitely not possible to download audio from 
 YouTube videos using MacTubes? I can play videos fine.
 I can't see any options for it in the programme, and I know YouTube clamped 
 down on converting its videos into mp3 a while ago.
 I thought I might be overlooking something. Thanks.
 
 Lisette
 
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Re: Google problems again

2012-11-26 Thread Mauricio Almeida
indeed, plus, it took me three times reading your e-mail to understand what 
your problem was amongst the useless criticism which didn't even allowed me to 
understand what your issue with google was for a while.
On Nov 26, 2012, at 11:44 PM, Blake Sinnett frequency...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Actually, the blame should be placed on Apple for not supporting all of the 
 HTML elements correctly in VoiceOver. FYI, the search tools link is not far 
 above the results heading. That brings up several options, one of them being 
 the time option you're looking for. You then need to find the text that says 
 any time. Press VO-Command-F5 to route the mouse to it and click. That should 
 expand it and let you choose the time you need.
 
 I hate saying this, but I have no problems with Firefox and NVDA on Windows. 
 All the element attributes are reported correctly. The any time text shows as 
 clickable. I press enter and away I go. The web browsing experience on the 
 Mac still has a little way to go. It's 95% there now, but full support of 
 element attribute reporting and interaction among a couple other things and 
 it'll be perfect.
 
 HTH,
 Blake
 
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 Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 9:02 PM
 To: MacVisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Google problems again
 
 Well Google did it again. Not sure how anyone in the world can say
 google cares about accessibility and the fact that there is a Google
 Access Twitter account is absolutely laughable. They changed how
 Google search results come up, and go figure you used to be able to
 click on search tools as a lot of time I need to search for results in
 the last week, now I can't seem to find that anywhere. Just a bunch of
 inaccessible pop down boxes and stuff when you click on it it does
 nothing. How anyone in the world can think Google is a progressive
 thinking company when it comes to accessibility blows my mind. And
 someone of you are excited for the google self driving car? Seriously
 you are going to trust a company to put you behind the wheel that
 can't seem to ever made one positive step forward with their search
 engine or google apps. Seriously it is laughable. Anyway, had to vent
 a little, but if anyone has figure out how to do a search for the last
 week or 24 hours, please do let me know
 
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how to make Safari remember passwords

2012-11-26 Thread Ray Foret Jr
Hi there,

How can I cause Safari to remember passwords?  Just did an OS reinstall and 
lost everything and still getting it back.  thanks.


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Re: Mactubes

2012-11-26 Thread Lisette Wesseling
Hi Cheryl
Wow, thanks for not confirming my worst fears. I just downloaded something. 
Thanks for your help. I had tried to use vo shift m but not in the right place.
Cool. Thanks a million.

Lisette

On 27/11/2012, at 6:07 PM, Cheryl Homiak cahom...@gmail.com wrote:

 No, I can't confirm that because I am downloading using MacTubes right this 
 minute as I have been doing since I got this app. I do my search, start my 
 song playing, then do vokeys-shift-m on the player menu and arrow down to 
 download and choose my option; usually hd and mp4 are available.
 
 Hth.
 
 -- 
 Cheryl
 
 May the words of my mouth
 and the meditation of my heart
 be acceptable to You, Lord,
 my rock and my Redeemer.
 (Psalm 19:14 HCSB)
 
 
 
 On Nov 26, 2012, at 10:44 PM, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 Can someone confirm that it is definitely not possible to download audio 
 from YouTube videos using MacTubes? I can play videos fine.
 I can't see any options for it in the programme, and I know YouTube clamped 
 down on converting its videos into mp3 a while ago.
 I thought I might be overlooking something. Thanks.
 
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Re: Mactubes

2012-11-26 Thread Cheryl Homiak
You're welcome! I love being unable to confirm bad news - lol! Enjoy!

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On Nov 27, 2012, at 12:24 AM, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Hi Cheryl
 Wow, thanks for not confirming my worst fears. I just downloaded something. 
 Thanks for your help. I had tried to use vo shift m but not in the right 
 place.
 Cool. Thanks a million.
 
 Lisette
 
 On 27/11/2012, at 6:07 PM, Cheryl Homiak cahom...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 No, I can't confirm that because I am downloading using MacTubes right this 
 minute as I have been doing since I got this app. I do my search, start my 
 song playing, then do vokeys-shift-m on the player menu and arrow down to 
 download and choose my option; usually hd and mp4 are available.
 
 Hth.
 
 -- 
 Cheryl
 
 May the words of my mouth
 and the meditation of my heart
 be acceptable to You, Lord,
 my rock and my Redeemer.
 (Psalm 19:14 HCSB)
 
 
 
 On Nov 26, 2012, at 10:44 PM, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 Can someone confirm that it is definitely not possible to download audio 
 from YouTube videos using MacTubes? I can play videos fine.
 I can't see any options for it in the programme, and I know YouTube clamped 
 down on converting its videos into mp3 a while ago.
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Re: Google problems again

2012-11-26 Thread Chris

This is why I use Startpage
www.startpage.com
results are organized into headings and there is nothing inaccessible. 
Best of all at least with Firefox you can install the search engine and 
make it your default all from within the site.




Christopher Hallsworth

On 27/11/2012 03:02, Brian Fischler wrote:

Well Google did it again. Not sure how anyone in the world can say
google cares about accessibility and the fact that there is a Google
Access Twitter account is absolutely laughable. They changed how
Google search results come up, and go figure you used to be able to
click on search tools as a lot of time I need to search for results in
the last week, now I can't seem to find that anywhere. Just a bunch of
inaccessible pop down boxes and stuff when you click on it it does
nothing. How anyone in the world can think Google is a progressive
thinking company when it comes to accessibility blows my mind. And
someone of you are excited for the google self driving car? Seriously
you are going to trust a company to put you behind the wheel that
can't seem to ever made one positive step forward with their search
engine or google apps. Seriously it is laughable. Anyway, had to vent
a little, but if anyone has figure out how to do a search for the last
week or 24 hours, please do let me know



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