Re: iOS 11 will let you record your iPhone or iPad's screen - CNET

[Jessica Moss]

That sounds interesting.  I wonder if that will help with captcha solving 
issues as well?
> On Jun 10, 2017, at 2:00 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Alex is that the public beta or dev beta?
> 
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> Subject: iOS 11 will let you record your iPhone or iPad's screen - CNET
> 
> iOS 11 will let you record your iPhone or iPad's screen - CNET The developer 
> preview is out, and users are beginning to talk about features Apple didn't 
> announce during the keynote. One such feature is built-in screen recording.
> It appears - as of right now - the feature is triggered through a button in 
> Control Center. There's a bit of work you'll need to do to set it up, but 
> once it's there, you can record your iOS device's display to show off your 
> gaming skills, or capture a random bug that keeps occurring.
> Below you can check out the video Twitter user @Alexpettitt made detailing 
> how to enable and use the feature:
> I had way too much fun recording this... but here's how to enable screen 
> recorder in iOS 11 and turn on / off mic too: pic.twitter.com/CAU0td9tG5
> - Alex Pettitt (@Alexpettitt) June 7, 2017 Presumably, you can then edit and 
> share the screen recording just as can any other video stored on your iOS 
> device. This is surely going to come in handy for many users. 
> Since we are seeing the feature in an early beta, Apple can change how the 
> feature looks and works. We will be sure to update this post with any changes 
> up until iOS 11 is released to the public later this fall.
> Apple confirmed to CNET this is indeed a feature of iOS 11. 
> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-use-ios-11-built-in-screen-recording-feat
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RE: Blume Wifi

[gary-melconian]

After I did my gigabit upgrade from att . I got some eenterprise routers based 
of of lots of googling. Also will be interested in the plum set up as well.  

 

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On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 1:03 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blume Wifi

 

Hey Scot,

 

Yeah, it's pretty cool.  We have the gigabyte option here, too, but we didn't 
get it for our rental house.  We're thinking about it for our permanent home, 
which we'll be moving into in July.  Good to know the limits of the Airport.  I 
was wondering what its cut-off point was.

Cheers,

Donna

 

On Jun 10, 2017, at 1:14 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:

 

Ah I love being on a fiber network.  They just rolled out full gigabit where I 
live and I upgraded while cutting my bill in half.  I have so much on WiFi now 
that I really do need a distributed system.  Your airport is good up to about 
200 megabits.  If your service will be faster than that it’s time to update.

 

 

 

 

On Jun 10, 2017, at 9:34 AM, Donna Goodin  > wrote:

 

Thanks for sharing this, Scott.  Now that I have the option of a fast fiber 
connection, I've been wondering if it's time to replace our airport extreme.  
this sounds like an interesting option.

Cheers,

Donna

 

On Jun 10, 2017, at 7:01 AM, Scott Granados  > wrote:

 

Hi Simon,

 

The way it seems to work is you connect via 1 or 2 gigabit ports to your 
network.  Either by placing the master unit in router mode and having it handle 
the whole internet connection or in bridge mode where it provides the access 
point function but you provide your own routing hardware.  (This will be my 
config). Once connected you start an app on your phone (iPhone in my case but 
both platforms are supported) and you configure the first plume device.  Then 
you power up and add each new device to the mesh.  You don’t run physical wires 
to anything but the controller or master access point.  The rest use backhaul 
channels to build the mesh.  Once you’ve added all the access points you want, 
you get a box of 6 for $320 US, they connect to a cloud application where the 
mesh starts to optimize itself.  The meshes can either direct connect back to 
the control access point and or hop from one to another if that’s more optimal. 
 The cloud software and access points will steer the clients to the best 
frequency and access point based on it’s location with in the mesh.  IF 2.4 ghz 
suddenly becomes more speedy you’ll drop to 2.4 and then be steered back up to 
5 ghz if that returns to normal.  Also uses tactics to isolate you from your 
neighbors and so forth.  Cool stuff.  Google is also working in this space as 
is Netgear and Niro.  Plume seems to rate the highest and perform the best in 
testing from the reviews I’ve read though.

 

Cool stuff.  Mesh WiFi was usually the stuff of big enterprises, nice to have 
it in the home now.

 

On Jun 10, 2017, at 2:34 AM, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:

 

Hi Scott,

 

When You test drive these blume wifi devices I’m interested to know how they go

 

They sound bloody interesting 

 

I’m wondering though how you get them connected to your network.

 

Cheers,

 

 

Simon f

 

 

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Re: Download passed iTunes purchases all at once

[Angus MacKinnon]

Tim

I think it was an switch. Can i enter the older Apple ID and click forgot 
password?

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Re: Download passed iTunes purchases all at once

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Hi,

That depends on whether that was simply an Apple ID eMail switch, or if it is a 
totally different Apple ID than your other one.  If the latter, then it's not 
really possible, unless you create some sort of Family with the two Apple ID's. 
 You would need the original to be the parent and the newer one to be a family 
member in order for this trick to work.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
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Tim

I have a bunch of Albums that were downloaded when the Apple ID was 
theedog...@icloud.com . And my Apple ID is 
vig...@gmail.com . any thoughts?

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Re: Blume Wifi

[Donna Goodin]

Hey Scot,

Yeah, it's pretty cool.  We have the gigabyte option here, too, but we didn't 
get it for our rental house.  We're thinking about it for our permanent home, 
which we'll be moving into in July.  Good to know the limits of the Airport.  I 
was wondering what its cut-off point was.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jun 10, 2017, at 1:14 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Ah I love being on a fiber network.  They just rolled out full gigabit where 
> I live and I upgraded while cutting my bill in half.  I have so much on WiFi 
> now that I really do need a distributed system.  Your airport is good up to 
> about 200 megabits.  If your service will be faster than that it’s time to 
> update.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2017, at 9:34 AM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for sharing this, Scott.  Now that I have the option of a fast fiber 
>> connection, I've been wondering if it's time to replace our airport extreme. 
>>  this sounds like an interesting option.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2017, at 7:01 AM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Simon,
>>> 
>>> The way it seems to work is you connect via 1 or 2 gigabit ports to your 
>>> network.  Either by placing the master unit in router mode and having it 
>>> handle the whole internet connection or in bridge mode where it provides 
>>> the access point function but you provide your own routing hardware.  (This 
>>> will be my config). Once connected you start an app on your phone (iPhone 
>>> in my case but both platforms are supported) and you configure the first 
>>> plume device.  Then you power up and add each new device to the mesh.  You 
>>> don’t run physical wires to anything but the controller or master access 
>>> point.  The rest use backhaul channels to build the mesh.  Once you’ve 
>>> added all the access points you want, you get a box of 6 for $320 US, they 
>>> connect to a cloud application where the mesh starts to optimize itself.  
>>> The meshes can either direct connect back to the control access point and 
>>> or hop from one to another if that’s more optimal.  The cloud software and 
>>> access points will steer the clients to the best frequency and access point 
>>> based on it’s location with in the mesh.  IF 2.4 ghz suddenly becomes more 
>>> speedy you’ll drop to 2.4 and then be steered back up to 5 ghz if that 
>>> returns to normal.  Also uses tactics to isolate you from your neighbors 
>>> and so forth.  Cool stuff.  Google is also working in this space as is 
>>> Netgear and Niro.  Plume seems to rate the highest and perform the best in 
>>> testing from the reviews I’ve read though.
>>> 
>>> Cool stuff.  Mesh WiFi was usually the stuff of big enterprises, nice to 
>>> have it in the home now.
>>> 
 On Jun 10, 2017, at 2:34 AM, Simon Fogarty > wrote:
 
 Hi Scott,
  
 When You test drive these blume wifi devices I’m interested to know how 
 they go
  
 They sound bloody interesting 
  
 I’m wondering though how you get them connected to your network.
  
 Cheers,
  
  
 Simon f
  
 
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Re: Download passed iTunes purchases all at once

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Tim

I have a bunch of Albums that were downloaded when the Apple ID was 
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vig...@gmail.com . any thoughts?

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Re: VIrtual box and other operating systems than windows.

[Karen Lewellen]

even if you are starting from your mac and connecting to  Linux?
I feel that is correct but wish to be sure.


On Sat, 10 Jun 2017, Anders Holmberg wrote:


Hi!
In the connected operating system you use the screenreader for Linux.
But elsewhere you should be able to use voiceover from what i can tell.
/A

10 juni 2017 kl. 20:10 skrev Karen Lewellen :

Scott,
I am curious, if one uses this program to connect to a different operating 
system like Linux, which screen reader is used?
By which I mean does Voiceover work even in these different environments?
Thanks,
Kare


On Fri, 9 Jun 2017, Scott Granados wrote:


Yes, it’s a free alternative to VMWare. One of the advantages is that it has a 
command line feature so you can script and type commands instead of point and 
click and use the GUI.


On Jun 9, 2017, at 9:24 PM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:

So is this an alternative to VMWare?

thanks,


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Hi!
Since Simon Fogarty here on this list mentioned that VirtualBox was accessible 
i thought i would give it a try today.
It seems to work but when selecting an operating system i can only see windows 
and no other systems to select from.
But i would like to try out som linux distributions in the virtual box.
Can this be done without sight?
Thanks in advance.
/A

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Re: VIrtual box and other operating systems than windows.

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Hi!
In the connected operating system you use the screenreader for Linux.
But elsewhere you should be able to use voiceover from what i can tell.
/A
> 10 juni 2017 kl. 20:10 skrev Karen Lewellen :
> 
> Scott,
> I am curious, if one uses this program to connect to a different operating 
> system like Linux, which screen reader is used?
> By which I mean does Voiceover work even in these different environments?
> Thanks,
> Kare
> 
> 
> On Fri, 9 Jun 2017, Scott Granados wrote:
> 
>> Yes, it’s a free alternative to VMWare. One of the advantages is that it has 
>> a command line feature so you can script and type commands instead of point 
>> and click and use the GUI.
>> 
>>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 9:24 PM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So is this an alternative to VMWare?
>>> 
>>> thanks,
>>> 
 On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:24 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
 
 Hi!
 Since Simon Fogarty here on this list mentioned that VirtualBox was 
 accessible i thought i would give it a try today.
 It seems to work but when selecting an operating system i can only see 
 windows and no other systems to select from.
 But i would like to try out som linux distributions in the virtual box.
 Can this be done without sight?
 Thanks in advance.
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Re: Blume Wifi

[Scott Granados]

Ah I love being on a fiber network.  They just rolled out full gigabit where I 
live and I upgraded while cutting my bill in half.  I have so much on WiFi now 
that I really do need a distributed system.  Your airport is good up to about 
200 megabits.  If your service will be faster than that it’s time to update.




> On Jun 10, 2017, at 9:34 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for sharing this, Scott.  Now that I have the option of a fast fiber 
> connection, I've been wondering if it's time to replace our airport extreme.  
> this sounds like an interesting option.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2017, at 7:01 AM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Simon,
>> 
>> The way it seems to work is you connect via 1 or 2 gigabit ports to your 
>> network.  Either by placing the master unit in router mode and having it 
>> handle the whole internet connection or in bridge mode where it provides the 
>> access point function but you provide your own routing hardware.  (This will 
>> be my config). Once connected you start an app on your phone (iPhone in my 
>> case but both platforms are supported) and you configure the first plume 
>> device.  Then you power up and add each new device to the mesh.  You don’t 
>> run physical wires to anything but the controller or master access point.  
>> The rest use backhaul channels to build the mesh.  Once you’ve added all the 
>> access points you want, you get a box of 6 for $320 US, they connect to a 
>> cloud application where the mesh starts to optimize itself.  The meshes can 
>> either direct connect back to the control access point and or hop from one 
>> to another if that’s more optimal.  The cloud software and access points 
>> will steer the clients to the best frequency and access point based on it’s 
>> location with in the mesh.  IF 2.4 ghz suddenly becomes more speedy you’ll 
>> drop to 2.4 and then be steered back up to 5 ghz if that returns to normal.  
>> Also uses tactics to isolate you from your neighbors and so forth.  Cool 
>> stuff.  Google is also working in this space as is Netgear and Niro.  Plume 
>> seems to rate the highest and perform the best in testing from the reviews 
>> I’ve read though.
>> 
>> Cool stuff.  Mesh WiFi was usually the stuff of big enterprises, nice to 
>> have it in the home now.
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2017, at 2:34 AM, Simon Fogarty >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Scott,
>>> 
>>> When You test drive these blume wifi devices I’m interested to know how 
>>> they go
>>> 
>>> They sound bloody interesting
>>> 
>>> I’m wondering though how you get them connected to your network.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Simon f
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Re: VIrtual box and other operating systems than windows.

[Karen Lewellen]

Scott,
I am curious, if one uses this program to connect to a different 
operating system like Linux, which screen reader is used?

By which I mean does Voiceover work even in these different environments?
Thanks,
Kare


On Fri, 9 Jun 2017, Scott Granados wrote:


Yes, it???s a free alternative to VMWare. One of the advantages is that it has 
a command line feature so you can script and type commands instead of point and 
click and use the GUI.


On Jun 9, 2017, at 9:24 PM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:

So is this an alternative to VMWare?

thanks,


On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:24 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
Since Simon Fogarty here on this list mentioned that VirtualBox was accessible 
i thought i would give it a try today.
It seems to work but when selecting an operating system i can only see windows 
and no other systems to select from.
But i would like to try out som linux distributions in the virtual box.
Can this be done without sight?
Thanks in advance.
/A

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Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

It would also defeat the purpose of a secure encryption if automatic login was 
available.  It would be like locking your car doors but leaving the windows 
open.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 10, 2017, at 08:57, John Panarese  wrote:

   This is absolutely correct. You cannot navigate in the login window for 
FileVault. It doesn't matter how many users have accounts on the system, you 
simply type your user name at the prompt and then your password. You cannot 
choose the user as you can do with the normal login window. FileVault's login 
window is prompted before the system disk even is accessed. It is a special 
login window entirely. So, there is no automatic login for any account and the 
option to have VoiceOver speak in the login window is not available for 
FileVault login.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
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> On Jun 10, 2017, at 10:14 AM, Jonathan Cohn  > wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> This login is a very limited system screen and though it sounds similar to 
> VoiceOver it is not VoiceOVer It will say user name until you enter a legit 
> user name something like "john" or "joncohn" and hit enter once your user 
> name has been accepted it will say password. If you enter the correct 
> password then in a few seconds you will have all the normal functionality 
> available or else it will say username or password incorrect. 
> 
> My experience has been I have to type in all the characters of my username I 
> have never found a way to do this with arrow keys and certainly the VO style 
> keys I have found to do nothing.
> 
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2017, at 7:14 AM, Nickus de Vos > > wrote:
>> 
>> My sighted help could only access the password field when VO was switched 
>> off, but if I switch vo again, not even the sighted person can navigate to 
>> the username or password field.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 10 Jun 2017, at 13:07, Terje Strømberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Did your sighted friend see the password field? 
>>> 
>>> Take care
>>> 
>>> 
 9. jun. 2017 kl. 21.54 skrev Nickus de Vos >:
 
 I did switch on voice-over, I even tried and to switch on and off a couple 
 of times. I'll try again maybe I missed something.
 Thanks
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 09 Jun 2017, at 21:41, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I haven't used FileVault, but have been thinking about doing it for a 
> while now.  So I have a question about John's post.  Do you choose a 
> username, or is it assigned?  If assigned, what do you have to enter, the 
> entire file path or just the name of that folder?
> TIA,
> Donna
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> hi,
>> 
>> Further to John's note, usually, VO is not active, nor available, at the 
>> initial login screen when File Vault is enabled.  You can press cmd-f5 
>> to try to turn on VO, you should get a single tone, at this point, as 
>> John mentioned, just type your username and press return.  If it accepts 
>> your username, two tones will sound meaning that it's ready for your 
>> password. In my case, once I start entering my password, a tone is 
>> sounded for each key-press.  After you finish the password, press return 
>> and you should hear three tones if the password was accepted.  Your Mac 
>> will then start up normally.  You can then log off and on with the 
>> normal login screen most of the time, unless your machine is restarted 
>> or shutdown at which time you'll hear the good old tone once again.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 13:22, John Panarese > > wrote:
>> 
>>  FileVault should work just fine. The login window is different though. 
>> Be sure you press command-F5 to turn on VoiceOver. It will ask for your 
>> account name, which is whatever the name is for your home folder is 
>> called.
>> Then, press enter and it will prompt you for your password. Type that 
>> and hit enter.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
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Re: Time Machine

[Harry Bell]

Thanks, Jonathan! I think I'm prepared now!
Cheers
Harry

> On 10 Jun 2017, at 17:30, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Well, if your current machine has all of the recent OS upgrades then yes.  
> But the migration tool does not clone your current computers drive and onto 
> the new machine. Instead it migrates the users home directories and account  
> information and Applications in the Applications directory from your current 
> computer that are not on your new computer. It will also get WiFi and clock 
> settings from your current computer and move that information into the 
> appropriate places on the new computer. If you installed an application in a 
> location other than /Applications, or modified Web Server settings or crontab 
> entries, don't expect those to be migrated, though they might be migrated. 
> Almost all settings from System Settings and Application specific settings 
> panels does get migrated to the new system. 
> 
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2017, at 12:10 PM, Harry Bell  wrote:
>> 
>> So if I use my Time Machine backup to set up the new Mac, the result will 
>> initially be a Mac identical to the old Mac Mini just without any Bootcamp 
>> partition?
>> Thank you for your help
>> Harry Bell
>> 
>>> On 10 Jun 2017, at 16:33, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> When using bootcamp, TimeMachine and all other MacOS based applications 
>>> will not see or react to the Windows partition. You will need to use a 
>>> Windows migration tool to move that environment to your new system, after 
>>> you have created an appropriate BootCamp partition with the VootCamp tool. 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 10, 2017, at 7:43 AM, Harry Bell  wrote:
 
 On my Mac mini 2024 latest OS I have my Mac HD encrypted with FileVault 
 and I also have Windows 10 running in a Bootcamp partition. I have 2 
 questions:
 Does Time Machine only back up what is in the Mac part of the hard drive, 
 not the Windows partition?
 And when I get a new Mac and set it up to restore from a Time Machine 
 backup of my Mac Mini, will my new Mac have a Bootcamp partition with 
 Windows 10 or will Time Machine only restore what was on my macOS part of 
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 Thanks
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Re: Time Machine

[Jonathan Cohn]

Well, if your current machine has all of the recent OS upgrades then yes.  But 
the migration tool does not clone your current computers drive and onto the new 
machine. Instead it migrates the users home directories and account  
information and Applications in the Applications directory from your current 
computer that are not on your new computer. It will also get WiFi and clock 
settings from your current computer and move that information into the 
appropriate places on the new computer. If you installed an application in a 
location other than /Applications, or modified Web Server settings or crontab 
entries, don't expect those to be migrated, though they might be migrated. 
Almost all settings from System Settings and Application specific settings 
panels does get migrated to the new system. 


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jun 10, 2017, at 12:10 PM, Harry Bell  wrote:
> 
> So if I use my Time Machine backup to set up the new Mac, the result will 
> initially be a Mac identical to the old Mac Mini just without any Bootcamp 
> partition?
> Thank you for your help
> Harry Bell
> 
> On 10 Jun 2017, at 16:33, Jonathan Cohn  > wrote:
> 
>> When using bootcamp, TimeMachine and all other MacOS based applications will 
>> not see or react to the Windows partition. You will need to use a Windows 
>> migration tool to move that environment to your new system, after you have 
>> created an appropriate BootCamp partition with the VootCamp tool. 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2017, at 7:43 AM, Harry Bell >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> On my Mac mini 2024 latest OS I have my Mac HD encrypted with FileVault and 
>>> I also have Windows 10 running in a Bootcamp partition. I have 2 questions:
>>> Does Time Machine only back up what is in the Mac part of the hard drive, 
>>> not the Windows partition?
>>> And when I get a new Mac and set it up to restore from a Time Machine 
>>> backup of my Mac Mini, will my new Mac have a Bootcamp partition with 
>>> Windows 10 or will Time Machine only restore what was on my macOS part of 
>>> tge Mac Mini hard drive?
>>> Thanks
>>> Harr
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Apple Design Awards.

[Jonathan Cohn]

I got an announcement of the ADesign Awards from WWDC. In the past I know some 
of the designs were highlighting good or innovative solutions to accessibility 
on one of the platforms. I did not notice this for the current crop of awards. 
Did I miss this, or has anybody out there used one of the ADA applications and 
found it compelling as a VoiceOVer user?

It is always good to be aware of the best approaches that are showing up in the 
industry.

Best wishes,

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Re: Text selection in inbox.google.com

[Jonathan Cohn]

Nimel,

I hremebered one other suggestion, I was going to mention in the previous post. 
If you enable gmail iMap and then allow Apple Mail to load your Gmail account, 
then you could mark messages you wanted to get selections from and easily find 
them in Apple's Mail program where Ann's first set of selection commands will 
work with no problem. The iMap protocol when used with Gmail works fairly well 
at keeping Mail synchronized between multiple mail clients. One issue I ran 
into, is that the iMap protocols on Gmail are defaulted to archiving all 
messages even when one uses the delete command. Somewhere in the GMAIL settings 
area there is a tag that says archive or delete when a message is deleted from 
all mail boxes my memory of this is that Gmail defaults to archive while most 
users would prefer that it be "delete". 


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jun 9, 2017, at 10:11 PM, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
> 
> Strange... none of these methods seem o work with inbox.google.com 
> .
> 
> Thanks... will keep experimenting.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 5:47 AM Anne Robertson  > wrote:
> Hello Nimer,
> 
> Text selection is one of those questions that comes up regularly as there is 
> not one way that works everywhere with VoiceOver.
> The simplest way, and the one that works in most text editing situations, is 
> the Shift key with arrow keys.
> Shift-Right Arrow selects by character.
> Shift-Option-Right Arrow selects by word.
> Shift-Cmd-Right Arrow selects to the end of the line.
> Shift-Down Arrow selects a line.
> Shift-Option-Down Arrow selects to the end of the paragraph.
> Shift-Cmd-Down Arrow selects to the end of the document.
> Obviously, left arrow and up arrow perform the opposite functions.
> 
> The next method is to use Quick Nav and the shift key. Just set the rotor to 
> Characters, words, lines, sentences or paragraphs and hold down the Shift key 
> as you press the Down Arrow key.
> 
> The third method is VO-Return to begin and end the selection. This usually 
> works in HTML.
> 
> Then, if all you want to do is copy text, you can make VoiceOver speak the 
> text you want, and then press VO-Shift-c to copy the last spoken phrase to 
> the clipboard.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 9 Jun 2017, at 09:31, Nimer Jaber > > wrote:
>> 
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I am a new Mac user, full-time. I have used a Mac on and off, and have even 
>> provided basic instruction in my capacity as a technology trainer, however 
>> am now using the Mac full time. And... I already have a question, and any 
>> help would be appreciated.
>> 
>> First, I use inbox.google.com  for my e-mail, as I 
>> find the inbox sorting of messages to be delightful, and I prefer the 
>> interface to the mail app. Earlier today, I attempted to select the contents 
>> of a message while reading in inbox. I attempted the reverse pinch gesture, 
>> however this was unsuccessful, even when the trackpad commander was turned 
>> on. I attempted to find a text selection item in the rotor, however 
>> apparently this is only an iOS thing? Or maybe I need to add it in the rotor 
>> settings... I attempted many combinations of keys together with the shift 
>> key, and could not manage to select anything... the only way I got any text 
>> selected was by doing command+a to select all... and this was not what I 
>> wanted. So, how would one go about selecting a block of text in inbox or any 
>> web app? Is this possible?
>> 
>> Thanks.
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Re: Time Machine

[Harry Bell]

So if I use my Time Machine backup to set up the new Mac, the result will 
initially be a Mac identical to the old Mac Mini just without any Bootcamp 
partition?
Thank you for your help
Harry Bell

> On 10 Jun 2017, at 16:33, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> When using bootcamp, TimeMachine and all other MacOS based applications will 
> not see or react to the Windows partition. You will need to use a Windows 
> migration tool to move that environment to your new system, after you have 
> created an appropriate BootCamp partition with the VootCamp tool. 
>   Best wishes,
> 
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> 
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> 
>> On Jun 10, 2017, at 7:43 AM, Harry Bell  wrote:
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>> On my Mac mini 2024 latest OS I have my Mac HD encrypted with FileVault and 
>> I also have Windows 10 running in a Bootcamp partition. I have 2 questions:
>> Does Time Machine only back up what is in the Mac part of the hard drive, 
>> not the Windows partition?
>> And when I get a new Mac and set it up to restore from a Time Machine backup 
>> of my Mac Mini, will my new Mac have a Bootcamp partition with Windows 10 or 
>> will Time Machine only restore what was on my macOS part of tge Mac Mini 
>> hard drive?
>> Thanks
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Re: VIrtual box and other operating systems than windows.

[Sharon Hooley]

I have a little background in programming, but not this much in a command line. 
 Could you please send the exact steps and code to get things going?

Thanks,

> On Jun 10, 2017, at 8:16 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> The Gui is accessible but i don’t know how far you can go when creating a 
> virtual machine.
> /A
>> 10 juni 2017 kl. 10:12 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
>> 
>> But is the GUI now accessible or is it just the geeky command line stuff 
>> that is?
>> /Krister
>> 
>>> 10 juni 2017 kl. 04:46 skrev Scott Granados :
>>> 
>>> Yes, it’s a free alternative to VMWare. One of the advantages is that it 
>>> has a command line feature so you can script and type commands instead of 
>>> point and click and use the GUI.
>>> 
 On Jun 9, 2017, at 9:24 PM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
 
 So is this an alternative to VMWare?
 
 thanks,
 
> On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:24 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> Since Simon Fogarty here on this list mentioned that VirtualBox was 
> accessible i thought i would give it a try today.
> It seems to work but when selecting an operating system i can only see 
> windows and no other systems to select from.
> But i would like to try out som linux distributions in the virtual box.
> Can this be done without sight?
> Thanks in advance.
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Re: Text selection in inbox.google.com

[Jonathan Cohn]

I assume you are talking about messages that you are reading and attempting to 
selecting passages from. If you are using the google shortcut keys "j" "k" "o" 
"u" "." to manage your Inbox then I suggest the following:

1. Create an activity for Inbox.
2. In the Inbox activity change the setting under VoiceOVer Utility -> Web 
Navigation area:
Always allow keyboard commands to navigate websites  checkbox and check this 
box.

You will get a warning about how arrow keys will not be sent to Web 
Applications, and then the standard selection modes should work e
shift-arrow select character / line 
shift-option-arrow select word 
control-arrow select to beginning / end of line or document.

Note that Google Web apps have handlers for arrow keys and perhaps even 
modified arrow keys and this is why you were not able to use the standard 
approach. I am not sure why vo-return does not work. This might be worth 
messaging Google Accessibility about.
 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jun 9, 2017, at 10:11 PM, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
> 
> Strange... none of these methods seem o work with inbox.google.com 
> .
> 
> Thanks... will keep experimenting.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 5:47 AM Anne Robertson  > wrote:
> Hello Nimer,
> 
> Text selection is one of those questions that comes up regularly as there is 
> not one way that works everywhere with VoiceOver.
> The simplest way, and the one that works in most text editing situations, is 
> the Shift key with arrow keys.
> Shift-Right Arrow selects by character.
> Shift-Option-Right Arrow selects by word.
> Shift-Cmd-Right Arrow selects to the end of the line.
> Shift-Down Arrow selects a line.
> Shift-Option-Down Arrow selects to the end of the paragraph.
> Shift-Cmd-Down Arrow selects to the end of the document.
> Obviously, left arrow and up arrow perform the opposite functions.
> 
> The next method is to use Quick Nav and the shift key. Just set the rotor to 
> Characters, words, lines, sentences or paragraphs and hold down the Shift key 
> as you press the Down Arrow key.
> 
> The third method is VO-Return to begin and end the selection. This usually 
> works in HTML.
> 
> Then, if all you want to do is copy text, you can make VoiceOver speak the 
> text you want, and then press VO-Shift-c to copy the last spoken phrase to 
> the clipboard.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 9 Jun 2017, at 09:31, Nimer Jaber > > wrote:
>> 
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>> Hello,
>> 
>> I am a new Mac user, full-time. I have used a Mac on and off, and have even 
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>> help would be appreciated.
>> 
>> First, I use inbox.google.com  for my e-mail, as I 
>> find the inbox sorting of messages to be delightful, and I prefer the 
>> interface to the mail app. Earlier today, I attempted to select the contents 
>> of a message while reading in inbox. I attempted the reverse pinch gesture, 
>> however this was unsuccessful, even when the trackpad commander was turned 
>> on. I attempted to find a text selection item in the rotor, however 
>> apparently this is only an iOS thing? Or maybe I need to add it in the rotor 
>> settings... I attempted many combinations of keys together with the shift 
>> key, and could not manage to select anything... the only way I got any text 
>> selected was by doing command+a to select all... and this was not what I 
>> wanted. So, how would one go about selecting a block of text in inbox or any 
>> web app? Is this possible?
>> 
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Re: Migrating from VMWare Fusion to Bootcamp

[Jonathan Cohn]

Paul,

As already mentioned, I don't believe there is an approach to move a VM to a 
dedicated partition, but if there is then it would be either using a Windows or 
VM tool, so you might get better answers from a more Windows based group 
(GUI-talk?).  But then, I find as long as I don't have too many Safari windows 
open, that my VM are speedy enough for Outlook and testing accessibility of web 
pages with JAWS, WindowEyes or NVDA. Remember especially that on the Macintosh 
windows and applications will keep the same documents open when closed and 
re-opened. So perhaps just reviewing all open applications/windows might 
significantly help your performance if physical memory is running short on your 
system.

 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:17 PM, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
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> Hello,
> I am running the latest El Capitan on my late 2008 iMac. I have a Windows 7 
> virtual machine running under VMWare Fusion.
> 
> I only use the Windows 7 infrequently to keep up my Windows skills and to do 
> occasional testing of web sites under Windows. Under VMWare Fusion Windows 7 
> runs painfully slowly. Is it possible to migrate instead to Windows 7 running 
> under Bootcamp so that I can either boot the iMac as Mac OS or as Windows. 
> Hopefully Windows will work much faster than using VMWare. I am not concerned 
> about sharing data between Windows and Mac OS. 
> 
> A complication is that I no longer have the install CDs for Windows or some 
> of the Windows applications. Can I just move my existing virtual machine into 
> a Bootcamp partition?
> 
> Is such a migration possible? If so can it be done without sighted help? I 
> have the WindowEyes screen reader running in my Windows virtual machine.
> 
> Many thanks for any tips.
> 
> 
> Paul Hopewell 
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Re: Time Machine

[Jonathan Cohn]

When using bootcamp, TimeMachine and all other MacOS based applications will 
not see or react to the Windows partition. You will need to use a Windows 
migration tool to move that environment to your new system, after you have 
created an appropriate BootCamp partition with the VootCamp tool. 
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> On my Mac mini 2024 latest OS I have my Mac HD encrypted with FileVault and I 
> also have Windows 10 running in a Bootcamp partition. I have 2 questions:
> Does Time Machine only back up what is in the Mac part of the hard drive, not 
> the Windows partition?
> And when I get a new Mac and set it up to restore from a Time Machine backup 
> of my Mac Mini, will my new Mac have a Bootcamp partition with Windows 10 or 
> will Time Machine only restore what was on my macOS part of tge Mac Mini hard 
> drive?
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Purchased Movies

[Jonathan Cohn]

Is there a trick to finding Movies purchased on older system?  It is slightly 
possible that an inactive mac.com  account was used to 
purchase the movies, but they certainly did not show up in my family sharing or 
in my wife's primary iCloud account 

I would prefer to not pay a second time for the purchase.

Thanks,


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Re: Terminal and Time Machine

[Jonathan Cohn]

I am not sure exactly what you are trying to do. Though all/most of your e-mail 
messages should be in individual files scattered around Library/Mail, I would 
suggest that using terminal to explore those directories is less than intuitive 
especially since you are using Gmail as a provider where they have all mail 
functionality and then links to those messages in other folders.
. 

If you are looking to recover deleted messages  and you are accessing gmail on 
iphone/Macintosh Mail applications, and you have not changed Google's iMAP 
deletion properties then all of your "deleted" messages are probably in the 
archive folder, and there is a reasonable chance that things deleted in the 
last 30 days are also in your "Trash" folder in the mail app. 


> You mentioned terminal, so if you are determined to approach via this method, 
> rather than trying to reverse engineer Mails structure I suggest you use the 
> find command and let it run over an appropriate set of directories. When 
> using Find with grep or other command line commands that can take several 
> files there is a special argument for find so that grep does not get exec'd / 
> forked for each file that needs examining. You could also look at creating a 
> perl script that uses the Find module then you could do your search  If this 
> paragraph means completely in one process.
find /volume/backups/mymachine/THeDate/Users/myName/Library/Mail/ -exec grep 
"My Search Term" \{\} /dev/null \; could be a starting recipe for what you are 
attempting to do.


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Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

[John Panarese]

   This is absolutely correct. You cannot navigate in the login window for 
FileVault. It doesn't matter how many users have accounts on the system, you 
simply type your user name at the prompt and then your password. You cannot 
choose the user as you can do with the normal login window. FileVault's login 
window is prompted before the system disk even is accessed. It is a special 
login window entirely. So, there is no automatic login for any account and the 
option to have VoiceOver speak in the login window is not available for 
FileVault login.


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> On Jun 10, 2017, at 10:14 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> This login is a very limited system screen and though it sounds similar to 
> VoiceOver it is not VoiceOVer It will say user name until you enter a legit 
> user name something like "john" or "joncohn" and hit enter once your user 
> name has been accepted it will say password. If you enter the correct 
> password then in a few seconds you will have all the normal functionality 
> available or else it will say username or password incorrect. 
> 
> My experience has been I have to type in all the characters of my username I 
> have never found a way to do this with arrow keys and certainly the VO style 
> keys I have found to do nothing.
> 
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2017, at 7:14 AM, Nickus de Vos > > wrote:
>> 
>> My sighted help could only access the password field when VO was switched 
>> off, but if I switch vo again, not even the sighted person can navigate to 
>> the username or password field.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 10 Jun 2017, at 13:07, Terje Strømberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Did your sighted friend see the password field? 
>>> 
>>> Take care
>>> 
>>> 
 9. jun. 2017 kl. 21.54 skrev Nickus de Vos >:
 
 I did switch on voice-over, I even tried and to switch on and off a couple 
 of times. I'll try again maybe I missed something.
 Thanks
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 09 Jun 2017, at 21:41, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I haven't used FileVault, but have been thinking about doing it for a 
> while now.  So I have a question about John's post.  Do you choose a 
> username, or is it assigned?  If assigned, what do you have to enter, the 
> entire file path or just the name of that folder?
> TIA,
> Donna
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> hi,
>> 
>> Further to John's note, usually, VO is not active, nor available, at the 
>> initial login screen when File Vault is enabled.  You can press cmd-f5 
>> to try to turn on VO, you should get a single tone, at this point, as 
>> John mentioned, just type your username and press return.  If it accepts 
>> your username, two tones will sound meaning that it's ready for your 
>> password. In my case, once I start entering my password, a tone is 
>> sounded for each key-press.  After you finish the password, press return 
>> and you should hear three tones if the password was accepted.  Your Mac 
>> will then start up normally.  You can then log off and on with the 
>> normal login screen most of the time, unless your machine is restarted 
>> or shutdown at which time you'll hear the good old tone once again.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 13:22, John Panarese > > wrote:
>> 
>>  FileVault should work just fine. The login window is different though. 
>> Be sure you press command-F5 to turn on VoiceOver. It will ask for your 
>> account name, which is whatever the name is for your home folder is 
>> called.
>> Then, press enter and it will prompt you for your password. Type that 
>> and hit enter.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>>> 

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I believe that it is supposed to work with third party streaming solutions like 
Spotify.  At least that's what I read somewhere.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 9, 2017, at 23:30, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

To me it's as you say simply a media device, an output for audio content,

Direct connectivity to your aple music account, which makes me wounder what 
happens if you use spotify rather than apple usic,
Will the home pod work with spotify and more to the point has it got VO for 
what ever setup it will require? 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, 9 June 2017 10:01 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

You know, Apple is not marketing this as a Google or Amazon competitor. I've 
seen a couple of articles that I thought made very good points, which is that 
there really marketing it towards the audio Lovers. Admittedly  quick reviews 
have been very impressed with the audio as compared to comparable Sonos 
speakers. The media made a mistake when they assumed it was going to be a "Siri 
speaker. It is an audio system with Siri which is different from echo Alexa, 
which doesn't sound that great or Google home, which ones wants to collect all 
your data and has a superior assistant but is not in the same league as the 
home pod for audio in terms of the speaker   Assistant at the expense of your 
privacy. Mark. The other stuff is nice, and might be useful. But this is going 
after people who might otherwise paisanos. I for one if this works will buy it 
if I'm still around. So this is too expensive 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 1:30 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
> 
> Scott they ar ttrying to get dum siri to catch up to google assistant and 
> alexa in the home .  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:11 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> I’m not convinced about this home pod.  The fact they are banking on Siri as 
> part of it disturbs me unless it has a quantum leap forward.  I suppose these 
> are cheaper than Sonos but I just don’t know.  That’s more than 3 times the 
> cost of the Google Home.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Because right now, we're not that heavily invested in Sonos that we couldn't 
>> switch.  If the HomePods sound better, and have more AI as Apple suggests, 
>> why not switch?
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:11 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> Yeah I am wondering but why not just use sonos for everything, you know it 
>>> works and works well.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:02 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>> 
>>> I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can move 
>>> our two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple ones 
>>> inside.  Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
>>> Donna
 On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and 
 the home pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to 
 purchase one or even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the 
 home pods do and all from my phone.-Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje 
 Strømberg
 Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
 To: Mac Group 
 Cc: Terje Strømberg 
 Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
 
 iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high 
 end if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better 
 sound than Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. 
 Should be able to route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the 
 borring name again?
 
 Take care
 
> 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. :
> 
> Scott,
> I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd was no 
> longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the 
> world, all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn 
> your mind 

Re: Adjust Voiceover and system volume independently

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Hold down VO-cmd and press the left or right arrow keys until you hear VO 
announce "volume".  Then press VO-cmd-up or down to adjust.  This will only 
adjust the VO volume, not the System volume with one caveat.  When turning it 
up, once the VO volume reaches 100%, continuing to increase the VO volume will 
also increase the System volume.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 10, 2017, at 05:19, Nickus de Vos  wrote:

Hi all
Me again with a small thing, once again I can’t remember how I managed to set 
this up on my iMac a few years ago.
Where is the setting to adjust the system volume and voiceover volume 
indapendant from each other? I looked all over and can not find it, I even 
tried looking on my iMac but can’t find where it was set up.

Thanks

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Re: best project management system on the mac

[Brandon A. Olivares]

I'm a programmer and my company uses Jira. It's pretty ubiquitous out there. 
It's not the most accessible, but the IOS app works really well, and it's also 
easier to use in Chrome.

I know you can tie it into repositories. Ours is tied into Bitbucket, so that 
when you refer to a task in a commit, it'll list all related commits on that 
task.

Brandon
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 10:20 PM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> I've reached a point where not having a white board is detrimental to my life.
> 
> Can anyone suggest an accessible project management system which has task 
> management, scrum based collaboration features and other important tools 
> which I can use for my ongoing projects?
> 
> Thanks for any suggestions
> 
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Re: Download passed iTunes purchases all at once

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Select Songs from the Library sidebar, press cmd-a, press VO-shift-m to bring 
up the Contextual menu and choose download.  Those items that require download 
will be downloaded, those that are already local will be ignored.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 10, 2017, at 02:59, Nickus de Vos  wrote:

Hi all
Is there a way on Mac in iTunes to select to download all passed purchases all 
at once? Currently I have to select each artist and then click download, it 
will just be so much easier if there is a “download all” somewhere, or a way to 
select all and then click download.

Nickus

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Re: best project management system on the mac

[Jonathan Cohn]

I am finding equivalent issues that reminder like apps are not being efficient 
enough for my uses any more. 

I have heard good things about "things" 
https://culturedcode.com/things/ 

I have no idea if it is VO usable but there is a 15 day trial at the above web 
site, and I think if you are a member of Tidbits.com  they 
have a discount on purchase. 

 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



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> 
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> 
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Re: iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location - CNET

[Jonathan Cohn]

How precise is the data that the carriers have? I know it is ancient history 
now, but I remember when listening to the "Serial" podcast was running the 
carrier could only provide data to the tower level. I have also listened to 
discussions on the devices used in cars/helicopters that pretend to be cell 
towers so that they can receive the responses to AYT messages and get a signal 
strength of all reachable devices in range of the device. I believe that was 
called a Sting Ray, and there have been court discussions as to the legality of 
using these devices. 
Probably off topic on this list however.
 and 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jun 10, 2017, at 8:11 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Good for stopping Uber but the real privacy invaders (the Government) I’m 
> sure will have their location access preserved.:)
> 
> It’s interesting how hard that location data is to get access too.  There’s 
> the in phone location data but then there’s the network data that Verizon and 
> the other carriers keep.  It’s very hard for a company to get access to this 
> network data.  It’s amazing how under the thumbs of the government Verizon 
> is.  I can’t talk much about it but my first week actually working onsite at 
> Verizon was the week of the Boston bombing.  Let’s just say, eye opening day 
> in wireless carrier land.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Wonderful. Hopefully they won't introduce new nasty bugs, because this 
>> feature would really be welcome.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 1:30 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location -
>>> CNET
>>> When iOS 11 is available later this year, users will have the option to
>>> customize how each app uses his or her location - regardless of the options
>>> a developer provides.
>>> Prior to iOS 11, users could only use one of the location access options
>>> provided by developers. That meant, for an app like Uber, you were limited
>>> to two options. If a developer didn't want to include the option for use
>>> only while you are using the app, you were stuck with Never or Always.
>>> iOS 11 now offers both privacy options for any app requesting your location.
>>> Huge win over apps like Uber "needing" it all the time.
>>> pic.twitter.com/mZke8InSVD
>>> - Lance Somoza (@SyrinxStarman) June 6, 2017
>>> As the above screenshot shows, iOS 11 users are finally given full control
>>> over when an app can access location data. Naturally, most users will only
>>> want that to be when he or she is, you know, actually using the app.
>>> To control each individual app, users will need to go to Settings > Privacy
 Location Services to adjust individual app settings or as shown in the
>>> screenshot, iOS 11 will prompt users.
>>> As is always the case with Apple betas, the company sometimes removes or
>>> changes features before final release. We will update this post as the beta
>>> process progresses.
>>> Apple confirmed to CNET that this is indeed a feature of iOS 11.
>>> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-stop-apps-from-constantly-tracking-your-l
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Re: VIrtual box and other operating systems than windows.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
The Gui is accessible but i don’t know how far you can go when creating a 
virtual machine.
/A
> 10 juni 2017 kl. 10:12 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
> 
> But is the GUI now accessible or is it just the geeky command line stuff that 
> is?
> /Krister
> 
>> 10 juni 2017 kl. 04:46 skrev Scott Granados :
>> 
>> Yes, it’s a free alternative to VMWare. One of the advantages is that it has 
>> a command line feature so you can script and type commands instead of point 
>> and click and use the GUI.
>> 
>>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 9:24 PM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So is this an alternative to VMWare?
>>> 
>>> thanks,
>>> 
 On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:24 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
 
 Hi!
 Since Simon Fogarty here on this list mentioned that VirtualBox was 
 accessible i thought i would give it a try today.
 It seems to work but when selecting an operating system i can only see 
 windows and no other systems to select from.
 But i would like to try out som linux distributions in the virtual box.
 Can this be done without sight?
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Re: VIrtual box and other operating systems than windows.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Thanks Simon for that.
I will also check things closely to night or tomorrow.
/A
> 10 juni 2017 kl. 08:22 skrev Simon Fogarty :
> 
> Hi Anders,
> 
> Yes I've used it  a few times now to setup windows vm
> S,
> 
> One for windows 7 and for windows 10,
> 
> I know there were a couple of steps that weren't easy to select the OS for 
> install but I know it worked for me in the end.
> 
> Infact I believe it involved the selection of the os didn't happen till after 
> I created the drive for install 
> But I'll have to waittill I'm back at work on Monday to have another look at 
> it.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: VIrtual box and other operating systems than windows.
> 
> Hi!
> Since Simon Fogarty here on this list mentioned that VirtualBox was 
> accessible i thought i would give it a try today.
> It seems to work but when selecting an operating system i can only see 
> windows and no other systems to select from.
> But i would like to try out som linux distributions in the virtual box.
> Can this be done without sight?
> Thanks in advance.
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Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,

This login is a very limited system screen and though it sounds similar to 
VoiceOver it is not VoiceOVer It will say user name until you enter a legit 
user name something like "john" or "joncohn" and hit enter once your user name 
has been accepted it will say password. If you enter the correct password then 
in a few seconds you will have all the normal functionality available or else 
it will say username or password incorrect. 

My experience has been I have to type in all the characters of my username I 
have never found a way to do this with arrow keys and certainly the VO style 
keys I have found to do nothing.


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jun 10, 2017, at 7:14 AM, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
> 
> My sighted help could only access the password field when VO was switched 
> off, but if I switch vo again, not even the sighted person can navigate to 
> the username or password field.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 10 Jun 2017, at 13:07, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Did your sighted friend see the password field? 
>> 
>> Take care
>> 
>> 
>>> 9. jun. 2017 kl. 21.54 skrev Nickus de Vos :
>>> 
>>> I did switch on voice-over, I even tried and to switch on and off a couple 
>>> of times. I'll try again maybe I missed something.
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 09 Jun 2017, at 21:41, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I haven't used FileVault, but have been thinking about doing it for a 
 while now.  So I have a question about John's post.  Do you choose a 
 username, or is it assigned?  If assigned, what do you have to enter, the 
 entire file path or just the name of that folder?
 TIA,
 Donna
> On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> Further to John's note, usually, VO is not active, nor available, at the 
> initial login screen when File Vault is enabled.  You can press cmd-f5 to 
> try to turn on VO, you should get a single tone, at this point, as John 
> mentioned, just type your username and press return.  If it accepts your 
> username, two tones will sound meaning that it's ready for your password. 
> In my case, once I start entering my password, a tone is sounded for each 
> key-press.  After you finish the password, press return and you should 
> hear three tones if the password was accepted.  Your Mac will then start 
> up normally.  You can then log off and on with the normal login screen 
> most of the time, unless your machine is restarted or shutdown at which 
> time you'll hear the good old tone once again.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 9, 2017, at 13:22, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>  FileVault should work just fine. The login window is different though. 
> Be sure you press command-F5 to turn on VoiceOver. It will ask for your 
> account name, which is whatever the name is for your home folder is 
> called.
> Then, press enter and it will prompt you for your password. Type that and 
> hit enter.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:15 PM, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all
>> I got a new MacBook Pro today, a 2015 retina model running the latest 
>> version of Mac OS Sierra.
>> 
>> I can’t remember how I set up my iMac back in the day, but I do know 
>> that I don’t have File volt encryption enabled on it. This time around I 
>> decided to switch on Filevolt on my new MacBook Pro, but I came across a 
>> Voiceover bug in doing so.
>> 
>> When I restarted the machine where it asks for your password to log in, 
>> voiceover gets stuck and no matter what you press or try, all it keeps 
>> saying over and over is “username”. So basically I found it impossible 
>> to log in to my Mac using voiceover, I had to get sighted assistance to 
>> get passed the log in screen, luckily someone was on hand.
>> 
>> I first thought I could simply enable automatic log in so that it 
>> doesn’t ask for my password when starting up the machine, but turns out 
>> with File Volt encryption enabled, you can’t enable automatic log in.
>> 
>> For now I disabled File Volt to work around this issue, but I’d like to 
>> enable it again if possible. Have anyone else came across this bug and 
>> are there any work arounds, 

Re: Connect your iCloud account to Alexa if you can

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
My suggestion is that you contact either apple or amazon to get help on this.
THe app specific password is an extra security but i hate this crappyness 
because its never working on my android device.
I tried it with apple music but ended up having to contact apple and creating a 
new apple password and after that things are working.
/A
> 10 juni 2017 kl. 02:31 skrev Mary Otten :
> 
> Your understanding jives with mine. I did all the steps and it didn't work. 
> Oh well.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 5:12 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> According to what I am reading from various sources, it is specifically for 
>> Amazon's Alexa to access the iCloud calendar for adding and accessing 
>> appointments. Two factor identification must be enabled on iCloud, and the 
>> changes are made in settings in the Alexa app. Note: I have not tried it, I 
>> have only read various articles about it.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 10/06/2017, at 09:51, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It is now supposed to be possible to connect your iCloud account with 
>>> Alexa. To do so, you have to go into your Apple ID security settings and 
>>> create an app specific password. I did that. I carefully copied it out 
>>> using my PC to type it, since I could not get the Apple text selection 
>>> feature to work on the newly created password. Password is supposed to be 
>>> case sensitive. I was careful about that. So I typed it in and of course it 
>>> didn't work. This is the second time, the other being Apple Music on 
>>> android, where this has not worked for me. If anyone else tries this and 
>>> actually get it to work, I will be most curious.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Blume Wifi

[Donna Goodin]

Thanks for sharing this, Scott.  Now that I have the option of a fast fiber 
connection, I've been wondering if it's time to replace our airport extreme.  
this sounds like an interesting option.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jun 10, 2017, at 7:01 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Hi Simon,
> 
> The way it seems to work is you connect via 1 or 2 gigabit ports to your 
> network.  Either by placing the master unit in router mode and having it 
> handle the whole internet connection or in bridge mode where it provides the 
> access point function but you provide your own routing hardware.  (This will 
> be my config). Once connected you start an app on your phone (iPhone in my 
> case but both platforms are supported) and you configure the first plume 
> device.  Then you power up and add each new device to the mesh.  You don’t 
> run physical wires to anything but the controller or master access point.  
> The rest use backhaul channels to build the mesh.  Once you’ve added all the 
> access points you want, you get a box of 6 for $320 US, they connect to a 
> cloud application where the mesh starts to optimize itself.  The meshes can 
> either direct connect back to the control access point and or hop from one to 
> another if that’s more optimal.  The cloud software and access points will 
> steer the clients to the best frequency and access point based on it’s 
> location with in the mesh.  IF 2.4 ghz suddenly becomes more speedy you’ll 
> drop to 2.4 and then be steered back up to 5 ghz if that returns to normal.  
> Also uses tactics to isolate you from your neighbors and so forth.  Cool 
> stuff.  Google is also working in this space as is Netgear and Niro.  Plume 
> seems to rate the highest and perform the best in testing from the reviews 
> I’ve read though.
> 
> Cool stuff.  Mesh WiFi was usually the stuff of big enterprises, nice to have 
> it in the home now.
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2017, at 2:34 AM, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott,
>>  
>> When You test drive these blume wifi devices I’m interested to know how they 
>> go
>>  
>> They sound bloody interesting 
>>  
>> I’m wondering though how you get them connected to your network.
>>  
>> Cheers,
>>  
>>  
>> Simon f
>>  
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Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

[Donna Goodin]

Thanks, Simon.  I do think I'll enable it.  I've been meaning to, just haven't 
gotten around to it.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 10, 2017, at 12:57 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
>  
> File volt with encrypt your drive and when you get the log in prompt
> You start vo with the command f5 then you should be by default on the users 
> box, I do the vo key shift down arrow and this box opens with the user names, 
> I arrow left / right to highlight the username I want
> That is a vo key left / right
> Then vo key spacebar on the username and get the password field enter my 
> password and I’m in,
>  
> From then my mac is as normal for use.
> It’s only when it’s locked file volt secures things.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Saturday, 10 June 2017 7:41 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled
>  
> Hi all,
>  
> I haven't used FileVault, but have been thinking about doing it for a while 
> now.  So I have a question about John's post.  Do you choose a username, or 
> is it assigned?  If assigned, what do you have to enter, the entire file path 
> or just the name of that folder?
> TIA,
> Donna
> On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
>  
> hi,
>  
> Further to John's note, usually, VO is not active, nor available, at the 
> initial login screen when File Vault is enabled.  You can press cmd-f5 to try 
> to turn on VO, you should get a single tone, at this point, as John 
> mentioned, just type your username and press return.  If it accepts your 
> username, two tones will sound meaning that it's ready for your password. In 
> my case, once I start entering my password, a tone is sounded for each 
> key-press.  After you finish the password, press return and you should hear 
> three tones if the password was accepted.  Your Mac will then start up 
> normally.  You can then log off and on with the normal login screen most of 
> the time, unless your machine is restarted or shutdown at which time you'll 
> hear the good old tone once again.
>  
> HTH.
>  
> Later...
>  
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada 
>  
> On Jun 9, 2017, at 13:22, John Panarese  > wrote:
>  
>FileVault should work just fine. The login window is different though. Be 
> sure you press command-F5 to turn on VoiceOver. It will ask for your account 
> name, which is whatever the name is for your home folder is called.
>  Then, press enter and it will prompt you for your password. Type that and 
> hit enter.
>  
> 
> Take Care
> 
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> On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:15 PM, Nickus de Vos  > wrote:
>  
> Hi all
> I got a new MacBook Pro today, a 2015 retina model running the latest version 
> of Mac OS Sierra.
> 
> I can’t remember how I set up my iMac back in the day, but I do know that I 
> don’t have File volt encryption enabled on it. This time around I decided to 
> switch on Filevolt on my new MacBook Pro, but I came across a Voiceover bug 
> in doing so.
> 
> When I restarted the machine where it asks for your password to log in, 
> voiceover gets stuck and no matter what you press or try, all it keeps saying 
> over and over is “username”. So basically I found it impossible to log in to 
> my Mac using voiceover, I had to get sighted assistance to get passed the log 
> in screen, luckily someone was on hand.
> 
> I first thought I could simply enable automatic log in so that it doesn’t ask 
> for my password when starting up the machine, but turns out with File Volt 
> encryption enabled, you can’t enable automatic log in.
> 
> For now I disabled File Volt to work around this issue, but I’d like to 
> enable it again if possible. Have anyone else came across this bug and are 
> there any work arounds, something I missed?
> 
> Nickus
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Re: iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location - CNET

[Scott Granados]

Good for stopping Uber but the real privacy invaders (the Government) I’m sure 
will have their location access preserved.:)

It’s interesting how hard that location data is to get access too.  There’s the 
in phone location data but then there’s the network data that Verizon and the 
other carriers keep.  It’s very hard for a company to get access to this 
network data.  It’s amazing how under the thumbs of the government Verizon is.  
I can’t talk much about it but my first week actually working onsite at Verizon 
was the week of the Boston bombing.  Let’s just say, eye opening day in 
wireless carrier land.


> On Jun 9, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Wonderful. Hopefully they won't introduce new nasty bugs, because this 
> feature would really be welcome.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 1:30 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location -
>> CNET
>> When iOS 11 is available later this year, users will have the option to
>> customize how each app uses his or her location - regardless of the options
>> a developer provides.
>> Prior to iOS 11, users could only use one of the location access options
>> provided by developers. That meant, for an app like Uber, you were limited
>> to two options. If a developer didn't want to include the option for use
>> only while you are using the app, you were stuck with Never or Always.
>> iOS 11 now offers both privacy options for any app requesting your location.
>> Huge win over apps like Uber "needing" it all the time.
>> pic.twitter.com/mZke8InSVD
>> - Lance Somoza (@SyrinxStarman) June 6, 2017
>> As the above screenshot shows, iOS 11 users are finally given full control
>> over when an app can access location data. Naturally, most users will only
>> want that to be when he or she is, you know, actually using the app.
>> To control each individual app, users will need to go to Settings > Privacy
>>> Location Services to adjust individual app settings or as shown in the
>> screenshot, iOS 11 will prompt users.
>> As is always the case with Apple betas, the company sometimes removes or
>> changes features before final release. We will update this post as the beta
>> process progresses.
>> Apple confirmed to CNET that this is indeed a feature of iOS 11.
>> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-stop-apps-from-constantly-tracking-your-l
>> ocation-in-ios-11/#ftag=CAD5457c2c
>> 
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[Scott Granados]

I bet it will have an accessible setup, that I’m not worried about.  Apple has 
never let me down in this area.
I’m down to give the speakers a try I just am concerned about Siri but 
as Mary and other’s mentioned it’s not a home pod it’s a speaker with some Siri 
features.  Looking at it that way I may be convinced to at leased audition a 
pair.

> On Jun 10, 2017, at 1:30 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> To me it's as you say simply a media device, an output for audio content,
> 
> Direct connectivity to your aple music account, which makes me wounder what 
> happens if you use spotify rather than apple usic,
> Will the home pod work with spotify and more to the point has it got VO for 
> what ever setup it will require?
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Friday, 9 June 2017 10:01 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> You know, Apple is not marketing this as a Google or Amazon competitor. I've 
> seen a couple of articles that I thought made very good points, which is that 
> there really marketing it towards the audio Lovers. Admittedly  quick reviews 
> have been very impressed with the audio as compared to comparable Sonos 
> speakers. The media made a mistake when they assumed it was going to be a 
> "Siri speaker. It is an audio system with Siri which is different from echo 
> Alexa, which doesn't sound that great or Google home, which ones wants to 
> collect all your data and has a superior assistant but is not in the same 
> league as the home pod for audio in terms of the speaker   Assistant at the 
> expense of your privacy. Mark. The other stuff is nice, and might be useful. 
> But this is going after people who might otherwise paisanos. I for one if 
> this works will buy it if I'm still around. So this is too expensive
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 1:30 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
>> 
>> Scott they ar ttrying to get dum siri to catch up to google assistant and 
>> alexa in the home .
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:11 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> 
>> I’m not convinced about this home pod.  The fact they are banking on Siri as 
>> part of it disturbs me unless it has a quantum leap forward.  I suppose 
>> these are cheaper than Sonos but I just don’t know.  That’s more than 3 
>> times the cost of the Google Home.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Because right now, we're not that heavily invested in Sonos that we 
>>> couldn't switch.  If the HomePods sound better, and have more AI as Apple 
>>> suggests, why not switch?
>>> Donna
 On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:11 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Hi Donna,
 
 Yeah I am wondering but why not just use sonos for everything, you know it 
 works and works well.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
 Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:02 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
 
 I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can 
 move our two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple 
 ones inside.  Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
 Donna
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and
> the home pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to
> purchase one or even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the
> home pods do and all from my phone.-Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje
> Strømberg
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
> To: Mac Group 
> Cc: Terje Strømberg 
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high 
> end if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better 
> sound than Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. 
> Should be able to route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the 
> borring name again?
> 
> Take care
> 
>> 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. :
>> 
>> Scott,
>> I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a 

Re: getting AirPods to switch to different devices?

[Scott Granados]

So Alex, it’s like this.  If your laptop say already had the channel your watch 
wouldn’t high jack the signal unless the laptop was inactive.  Remember, the 
active device wins and holds its session until it releases and the next device 
starts.  It actually works very smoothly although I see your point.

> On Jun 9, 2017, at 11:07 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> I see what you mean, though I've never experienced that and didn't know 
> bluetooth could do it. I'm glad AirPods don't act like that; imagine every 
> notification sound on your Watch hijacking the signal, interrupting speech on 
> your Mac or iOS device. Or getting snatches of audio because your Mac and 
> Watch ping an alert at the same time. Or checking the time on your Watch 
> interrupting your audio book from the iPad. I can see this being useful for 
> some, but if it ever happens, I hope it's a toggle and not forced on us. 
> Well, I say "us", but I still don't have AirPods so I can't talk. :)
> 
> --
> Alex Hall
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 13:15, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Alex, so in many bluetooth implementations all devices pair and the 
>> active one is the one that is heard.  So for your example, if I touched my 
>> phone and VO started to speak Bluetooth would activate and I would hear the 
>> VO audio.  If I switch to my watch and start touching that you’d hear the 
>> watch assuming no other devices were producing audio.  My experience is they 
>> can do one at a time so switching happens to the active unit.  In the even 
>> there are more than one active channels the first to open the session has 
>> the audio and the others are not heard.  Does that make sense?
>> 
>> The manual method is almost better in some ways so you don’t have audio lost 
>> do to multiple sessions.
>> 
>>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 6:32 AM, Alex Hall >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I always thought it was supposed to be manual. Right now, I'm wearing an 
>>> Apple Watch, have an iPhone in my pocket, and am typing on a MacBook with 
>>> an old Mac mini behind it. Given that I'm in easy range of four 
>>> authenticated devices, how would automatic pairing with AirPods work? They 
>>> would have no way of knowing which device I wanted them to use. My 
>>> impression has always been that the pairing is what syncs, so you never 
>>> need to manually pair AirPods with any device connected to your iCloud 
>>> account. Even the first pairing is just a tap, not a code and a special 
>>> mode. Once you do that, all your other devices save the Pods as an option 
>>> to use in the future, so you don't need to pair them with anything but the 
>>> first device. Actively using them, though, has to be a manual process or 
>>> the Pods wouldn't know what to do in many situations.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Alex Hall
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 9, 2017, at 06:16, Simon Fogarty > wrote:
 
 Hi Donna,
 
 No they don’t seem to do that, even when switching bck to the phone you 
 have to do the switch over manually,
  The only ting I’ve noticed of automatic is the setup on the phone and the 
 pods showing up in Bluetooth of all devices.
 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 ] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
 Sent: Friday, 9 June 2017 3:25 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 Subject: Re: getting AirPods to switch to different devices?
 
 Hey Paul,
 
 Pressing Connect in the bluetooth menu did get them to switch from my 
 phone to my Mac, but now they won't switch back to my phone unless I 
 manually go in and switch them.. If that's the way they're supposed to 
 work, that's fine, but I thought they could switch without the user having 
 to manually go in and tell them to.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 On Jun 8, 2017, at 10:15 AM, Paul Mimms > wrote:
 
 Try going into Bluetooth on the particular device, and you should see the 
 AirPods there and tap on it to pair.
 
 
 
 Life is 10% what happens, and how you take it, and 90% what you do about 
 it, and what you make of it.
 Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus
 
 On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:48 AM, Donna Goodin > wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 My understanding was that the AirPods are supposed to automatically pair 
 with any device that is connected to iCloud, and automatically switch to 
 the device that you are using.  I have not been able to get them to play 
 with either my watch or my Mac.  How do I do this?
 TIA,
 Donna
 
 --

Re: Blume Wifi

[Scott Granados]

Hi Simon,

The way it seems to work is you connect via 1 or 2 gigabit ports to your 
network.  Either by placing the master unit in router mode and having it handle 
the whole internet connection or in bridge mode where it provides the access 
point function but you provide your own routing hardware.  (This will be my 
config). Once connected you start an app on your phone (iPhone in my case but 
both platforms are supported) and you configure the first plume device.  Then 
you power up and add each new device to the mesh.  You don’t run physical wires 
to anything but the controller or master access point.  The rest use backhaul 
channels to build the mesh.  Once you’ve added all the access points you want, 
you get a box of 6 for $320 US, they connect to a cloud application where the 
mesh starts to optimize itself.  The meshes can either direct connect back to 
the control access point and or hop from one to another if that’s more optimal. 
 The cloud software and access points will steer the clients to the best 
frequency and access point based on it’s location with in the mesh.  IF 2.4 ghz 
suddenly becomes more speedy you’ll drop to 2.4 and then be steered back up to 
5 ghz if that returns to normal.  Also uses tactics to isolate you from your 
neighbors and so forth.  Cool stuff.  Google is also working in this space as 
is Netgear and Niro.  Plume seems to rate the highest and perform the best in 
testing from the reviews I’ve read though.

Cool stuff.  Mesh WiFi was usually the stuff of big enterprises, nice to have 
it in the home now.

> On Jun 10, 2017, at 2:34 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> When You test drive these blume wifi devices I’m interested to know how they 
> go
> 
> They sound bloody interesting
> 
> I’m wondering though how you get them connected to your network.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> Simon f
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Time Machine

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On my Mac mini 2024 latest OS I have my Mac HD encrypted with FileVault and I 
also have Windows 10 running in a Bootcamp partition. I have 2 questions:
Does Time Machine only back up what is in the Mac part of the hard drive, not 
the Windows partition?
And when I get a new Mac and set it up to restore from a Time Machine backup of 
my Mac Mini, will my new Mac have a Bootcamp partition with Windows 10 or will 
Time Machine only restore what was on my macOS part of tge Mac Mini hard drive?
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Adjust Voiceover and system volume independently

[Nickus de Vos]

Hi all
Me again with a small thing, once again I can’t remember how I managed to set 
this up on my iMac a few years ago.
Where is the setting to adjust the system volume and voiceover volume 
indapendant from each other? I looked all over and can not find it, I even 
tried looking on my iMac but can’t find where it was set up.

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Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

[Terje Strømberg]

Try vo-shift-spacebar. One time a wihile back i hit command + r after the turn 
on mac sound, logged into the encrypt drive from there, needed to hit 
vo-command + home to turn off the disk utility after open the startdisk from 
the vo-m apple menu. Did get a message that i could not log in, but choosing 
«start up again» the file vault log in worked.
Take care

> 10. jun. 2017 kl. 10.02 skrev Nickus de Vos :
> 
> I tried again, but the thing is I can't seem to move around using voice over 
> on the login screen, or it doesn't seem to move around anyway.
> All VO keep saying no matter what I press is username, then if I switch VO 
> off and on again, it just says username.
> 
> I tried navigating like you suggest, but nothing works and I have to switch 
> off VO before my sighted assistance can navigate to my login name.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 10 Jun 2017, at 07:48, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> No, auto log in wont work with file volt,
>> 
>> When you start up vo at the log in screen, do a VO shift down arrow to open 
>> the user list box,
>> I always do a VO left / right arrow to ensure I have highlighted the correct 
>> user,
>> Then vo space bar on the the right user and then enter my password  which 
>> will then log you in,
>> 
>> I need to check on the setting in users / groups to start vo at start up but 
>> I don't believe that works at the log in prompt when FV is running.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
>> Sent: Saturday, 10 June 2017 7:15 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled
>> 
>> Hi all
>> I got a new MacBook Pro today, a 2015 retina model running the latest 
>> version of Mac OS Sierra.
>> 
>> I can’t remember how I set up my iMac back in the day, but I do know that I 
>> don’t have File volt encryption enabled on it. This time around I decided to 
>> switch on Filevolt on my new MacBook Pro, but I came across a Voiceover bug 
>> in doing so.
>> 
>> When I restarted the machine where it asks for your password to log in, 
>> voiceover gets stuck and no matter what you press or try, all it keeps 
>> saying over and over is “username”. So basically I found it impossible to 
>> log in to my Mac using voiceover, I had to get sighted assistance to get 
>> passed the log in screen, luckily someone was on hand.
>> 
>> I first thought I could simply enable automatic log in so that it doesn’t 
>> ask for my password when starting up the machine, but turns out with File 
>> Volt encryption enabled, you can’t enable automatic log in.
>> 
>> For now I disabled File Volt to work around this issue, but I’d like to 
>> enable it again if possible. Have anyone else came across this bug and are 
>> there any work arounds, something I missed?
>> 
>> Nickus
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Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

[Nickus de Vos]

My sighted help could only access the password field when VO was switched off, 
but if I switch vo again, not even the sighted person can navigate to the 
username or password field.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 10 Jun 2017, at 13:07, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
> 
> Did your sighted friend see the password field? 
> 
> Take care
> 
> 
>> 9. jun. 2017 kl. 21.54 skrev Nickus de Vos :
>> 
>> I did switch on voice-over, I even tried and to switch on and off a couple 
>> of times. I'll try again maybe I missed something.
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 09 Jun 2017, at 21:41, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I haven't used FileVault, but have been thinking about doing it for a while 
>>> now.  So I have a question about John's post.  Do you choose a username, or 
>>> is it assigned?  If assigned, what do you have to enter, the entire file 
>>> path or just the name of that folder?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
 On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
 hi,
 
 Further to John's note, usually, VO is not active, nor available, at the 
 initial login screen when File Vault is enabled.  You can press cmd-f5 to 
 try to turn on VO, you should get a single tone, at this point, as John 
 mentioned, just type your username and press return.  If it accepts your 
 username, two tones will sound meaning that it's ready for your password. 
 In my case, once I start entering my password, a tone is sounded for each 
 key-press.  After you finish the password, press return and you should 
 hear three tones if the password was accepted.  Your Mac will then start 
 up normally.  You can then log off and on with the normal login screen 
 most of the time, unless your machine is restarted or shutdown at which 
 time you'll hear the good old tone once again.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 9, 2017, at 13:22, John Panarese  wrote:
 
   FileVault should work just fine. The login window is different though. 
 Be sure you press command-F5 to turn on VoiceOver. It will ask for your 
 account name, which is whatever the name is for your home folder is called.
 Then, press enter and it will prompt you for your password. Type that and 
 hit enter.
 
 
 Take Care
 
 John D. Panarese
 Director
 Mac for the Blind
 Tel, (631) 724-4479
 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
 Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
 
 APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
 
 AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
 
 MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
 
 
 
> On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:15 PM, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> I got a new MacBook Pro today, a 2015 retina model running the latest 
> version of Mac OS Sierra.
> 
> I can’t remember how I set up my iMac back in the day, but I do know that 
> I don’t have File volt encryption enabled on it. This time around I 
> decided to switch on Filevolt on my new MacBook Pro, but I came across a 
> Voiceover bug in doing so.
> 
> When I restarted the machine where it asks for your password to log in, 
> voiceover gets stuck and no matter what you press or try, all it keeps 
> saying over and over is “username”. So basically I found it impossible to 
> log in to my Mac using voiceover, I had to get sighted assistance to get 
> passed the log in screen, luckily someone was on hand.
> 
> I first thought I could simply enable automatic log in so that it doesn’t 
> ask for my password when starting up the machine, but turns out with File 
> Volt encryption enabled, you can’t enable automatic log in.
> 
> For now I disabled File Volt to work around this issue, but I’d like to 
> enable it again if possible. Have anyone else came across this bug and 
> are there any work arounds, something I missed?
> 
> Nickus
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Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

[Terje Strømberg]

Did your sighted friend see the password field? 

Take care


> 9. jun. 2017 kl. 21.54 skrev Nickus de Vos :
> 
> I did switch on voice-over, I even tried and to switch on and off a couple of 
> times. I'll try again maybe I missed something.
> Thanks
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 09 Jun 2017, at 21:41, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I haven't used FileVault, but have been thinking about doing it for a while 
>> now.  So I have a question about John's post.  Do you choose a username, or 
>> is it assigned?  If assigned, what do you have to enter, the entire file 
>> path or just the name of that folder?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> hi,
>>> 
>>> Further to John's note, usually, VO is not active, nor available, at the 
>>> initial login screen when File Vault is enabled.  You can press cmd-f5 to 
>>> try to turn on VO, you should get a single tone, at this point, as John 
>>> mentioned, just type your username and press return.  If it accepts your 
>>> username, two tones will sound meaning that it's ready for your password. 
>>> In my case, once I start entering my password, a tone is sounded for each 
>>> key-press.  After you finish the password, press return and you should hear 
>>> three tones if the password was accepted.  Your Mac will then start up 
>>> normally.  You can then log off and on with the normal login screen most of 
>>> the time, unless your machine is restarted or shutdown at which time you'll 
>>> hear the good old tone once again.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 13:22, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
>>>FileVault should work just fine. The login window is different though. 
>>> Be sure you press command-F5 to turn on VoiceOver. It will ask for your 
>>> account name, which is whatever the name is for your home folder is called.
>>>  Then, press enter and it will prompt you for your password. Type that and 
>>> hit enter.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>> 
>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>>> 
>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>> 
>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:15 PM, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
 
 Hi all
 I got a new MacBook Pro today, a 2015 retina model running the latest 
 version of Mac OS Sierra.
 
 I can’t remember how I set up my iMac back in the day, but I do know that 
 I don’t have File volt encryption enabled on it. This time around I 
 decided to switch on Filevolt on my new MacBook Pro, but I came across a 
 Voiceover bug in doing so.
 
 When I restarted the machine where it asks for your password to log in, 
 voiceover gets stuck and no matter what you press or try, all it keeps 
 saying over and over is “username”. So basically I found it impossible to 
 log in to my Mac using voiceover, I had to get sighted assistance to get 
 passed the log in screen, luckily someone was on hand.
 
 I first thought I could simply enable automatic log in so that it doesn’t 
 ask for my password when starting up the machine, but turns out with File 
 Volt encryption enabled, you can’t enable automatic log in.
 
 For now I disabled File Volt to work around this issue, but I’d like to 
 enable it again if possible. Have anyone else came across this bug and are 
 there any work arounds, something I missed?
 
 Nickus
 
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RE: VIrtual box and other operating systems than windows.

[Simon Fogarty]

I dind't use the command line
I used only the GUI,
 This was with sierra 
I setup a sierra image for machiens at work on to a thunderbolt external drive,
 Sierra as the host machine and then a VB of windows 7 pro and then a second of 
windows 10 enterprise.
There was one step that I did need sighted assistance but I'm sure it wasn't 
the OS selection.

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Sent: Saturday, 10 June 2017 8:13 PM
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Subject: Re: VIrtual box and other operating systems than windows.

But is the GUI now accessible or is it just the geeky command line stuff that 
is?
/Krister

> 10 juni 2017 kl. 04:46 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
> Yes, it’s a free alternative to VMWare. One of the advantages is that it has 
> a command line feature so you can script and type commands instead of point 
> and click and use the GUI.
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 9:24 PM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
>> 
>> So is this an alternative to VMWare?
>> 
>> thanks,
>> 
>>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:24 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Since Simon Fogarty here on this list mentioned that VirtualBox was 
>>> accessible i thought i would give it a try today.
>>> It seems to work but when selecting an operating system i can only see 
>>> windows and no other systems to select from.
>>> But i would like to try out som linux distributions in the virtual box.
>>> Can this be done without sight?
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> /A
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RE: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

[Simon Fogarty]

And you've tried when on the username field doing a ctrl option shift and down 
arrow to open the username box,
Then select your username and then hold ctrl & option and tap space bar  to 
open the password field 

I have sierra 10.12.5 but I don't believe it's been different with any of the 
older os's 

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Sent: Saturday, 10 June 2017 8:02 PM
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Subject: Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

I tried again, but the thing is I can't seem to move around using voice over on 
the login screen, or it doesn't seem to move around anyway.
All VO keep saying no matter what I press is username, then if I switch VO off 
and on again, it just says username.

I tried navigating like you suggest, but nothing works and I have to switch off 
VO before my sighted assistance can navigate to my login name.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 10 Jun 2017, at 07:48, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> No, auto log in wont work with file volt,
> 
> When you start up vo at the log in screen, do a VO shift down arrow to 
> open the user list box, I always do a VO left / right arrow to ensure 
> I have highlighted the correct user, Then vo space bar on the the 
> right user and then enter my password  which will then log you in,
> 
> I need to check on the setting in users / groups to start vo at start up but 
> I don't believe that works at the log in prompt when FV is running.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Saturday, 10 June 2017 7:15 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled
> 
> Hi all
> I got a new MacBook Pro today, a 2015 retina model running the latest version 
> of Mac OS Sierra.
> 
> I can’t remember how I set up my iMac back in the day, but I do know that I 
> don’t have File volt encryption enabled on it. This time around I decided to 
> switch on Filevolt on my new MacBook Pro, but I came across a Voiceover bug 
> in doing so.
> 
> When I restarted the machine where it asks for your password to log in, 
> voiceover gets stuck and no matter what you press or try, all it keeps saying 
> over and over is “username”. So basically I found it impossible to log in to 
> my Mac using voiceover, I had to get sighted assistance to get passed the log 
> in screen, luckily someone was on hand.
> 
> I first thought I could simply enable automatic log in so that it doesn’t ask 
> for my password when starting up the machine, but turns out with File Volt 
> encryption enabled, you can’t enable automatic log in.
> 
> For now I disabled File Volt to work around this issue, but I’d like to 
> enable it again if possible. Have anyone else came across this bug and are 
> there any work arounds, something I missed?
> 
> Nickus
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Ear Pods connectivity issues

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna Et Al,

I've just had a play with my pods and watch,
To get the watch to connect to my pods I had to turn Bluetooth off on my phone 
and then tap the simons pods in Bluetooth on my watch,
Know my pods connect to my watch and trying to reconnect to my phone didn't 
work so I had to turn off Bluetooth on my watch to get my phone back to syncing 
with the pods.

Don't know why but kind of a pain in the A

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Re: deleting comments in pages

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Jean,

When you press Cmd-Option-k to go to the next comment or change, if it’s a 
comment, there is a Delete button in the popover window. This just deletes that 
particular comment.

Cheers,

Anne



> On 9 Jun 2017, at 23:23, jean parker  wrote:
> 
> Hello All:
> 
> A quick pages question, if I want to delete certain comments but leave others 
> intact how can I do this?
> Many thanks,
> Jean
> 
> Dr. Jean Parker, Ph.D.
> Senior Research Fellow
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Download passed iTunes purchases all at once

[Nickus de Vos]

Hi all
Is there a way on Mac in iTunes to select to download all passed purchases all 
at once? Currently I have to select each artist and then click download, it 
will just be so much easier if there is a “download all” somewhere, or a way to 
select all and then click download.

Nickus

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Re: Migrating from VMWare Fusion to Bootcamp

[Harry Bell]

Gosh! Great information. 
Thanks
Harry

> On 10 Jun 2017, at 07:07, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi harry,
> 
> Yeah you don't need to hold the option key down,
> 
> I use bootcamp on my mac book air and when it boots in to windows 10 I use 
> jaws as my screen reader and on the task bar or sys tray there is a boot camp 
> option which when I click or enter on  boot camp options open and then I up 
> arrow to the start in mac os option is there  so I enter twice and the 
> machine starts up in to the Mac OS,
> To restart into my windows machine I go into system preferences and under 
> start menu I select bootcamp and the restart and then it restarts into  
> windows,
> 
> No having to use Option key or not deal with vo or jaws, I always have a 
> screen reader talking to me.
> 
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Harry Bell
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Migrating from VMWare Fusion to Bootcamp
> 
> I have installed Windows 10 in bootcamp on my Mac Mini so I hold down the 
> OPTION Key as it boots up, then I get a screen where the left icon is MacOS 
> with an arrow under it and I have to arrow right once to select Windows. 
> There is no voiceover available at this point but now I know what to do I no 
> longer need help. If I don't hold down Option, it boots into Windows which is 
> puzzling but not important. 
> Harry
> 
>> On 9 Jun 2017, at 21:27, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I might be able to use Bootcamp without vMWare, but as far as I know, 
>> there’s no screen reader input to choose between Mac and Windows.  In my 
>> past experience, I could just wait and then arrow left to get to Windows, 
>> but it was hardest to get back to Mac, as I had to hold down certain keys 
>> for a certain length of time before it came up, so it was hit and miss.  I 
>> got sighted help then.
>> 
>> Hth,
>> 
>>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 1:17 PM, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I am running the latest El Capitan on my late 2008 iMac. I have a Windows 7 
>>> virtual machine running under VMWare Fusion.
>>> 
>>> I only use the Windows 7 infrequently to keep up my Windows skills and to 
>>> do occasional testing of web sites under Windows. Under VMWare Fusion 
>>> Windows 7 runs painfully slowly. Is it possible to migrate instead to 
>>> Windows 7 running under Bootcamp so that I can either boot the iMac as Mac 
>>> OS or as Windows. Hopefully Windows will work much faster than using 
>>> VMWare. I am not concerned about sharing data between Windows and Mac OS. 
>>> 
>>> A complication is that I no longer have the install CDs for Windows or some 
>>> of the Windows applications. Can I just move my existing virtual machine 
>>> into a Bootcamp partition?
>>> 
>>> Is such a migration possible? If so can it be done without sighted help? I 
>>> have the WindowEyes screen reader running in my Windows virtual machine.
>>> 
>>> Many thanks for any tips.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Paul Hopewell 
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Re: Migrating from VMWare Fusion to Bootcamp

[Harry Bell]

Thanks, Tim! Your instructions were very helpful. I'm now on with Filevault2 
for the macOS HD!
Regards
Harry

> On 9 Jun 2017, at 21:54, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The Option key is a temporary path to various startup options, whereas going 
> into System Prefs, Startup Disk and selecting the Mac makes it the default 
> option.  To start up in Windows, you just go back to Startup Disk and choose 
> the BootCamp partition with Windows.  You'll likely need to hold down the 
> option key for the first time after restarting from Windows, but you can set 
> the Mac to be the default soon after.
> 
> Later...
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 9, 2017, at 14:45, Harry Bell  wrote:
> 
> I have installed Windows 10 in bootcamp on my Mac Mini so I hold down the 
> OPTION Key as it boots up, then I get a screen where the left icon is MacOS 
> with an arrow under it and I have to arrow right once to select Windows. 
> There is no voiceover available at this point but now I know what to do I no 
> longer need help. If I don't hold down Option, it boots into Windows which is 
> puzzling but not important. 
> Harry
> 
>> On 9 Jun 2017, at 21:27, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I might be able to use Bootcamp without vMWare, but as far as I know, 
>> there’s no screen reader input to choose between Mac and Windows.  In my 
>> past experience, I could just wait and then arrow left to get to Windows, 
>> but it was hardest to get back to Mac, as I had to hold down certain keys 
>> for a certain length of time before it came up, so it was hit and miss.  I 
>> got sighted help then.
>> 
>> Hth,
>> 
>>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 1:17 PM, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I am running the latest El Capitan on my late 2008 iMac. I have a Windows 7 
>>> virtual machine running under VMWare Fusion.
>>> 
>>> I only use the Windows 7 infrequently to keep up my Windows skills and to 
>>> do occasional testing of web sites under Windows. Under VMWare Fusion 
>>> Windows 7 runs painfully slowly. Is it possible to migrate instead to 
>>> Windows 7 running under Bootcamp so that I can either boot the iMac as Mac 
>>> OS or as Windows. Hopefully Windows will work much faster than using 
>>> VMWare. I am not concerned about sharing data between Windows and Mac OS. 
>>> 
>>> A complication is that I no longer have the install CDs for Windows or some 
>>> of the Windows applications. Can I just move my existing virtual machine 
>>> into a Bootcamp partition?
>>> 
>>> Is such a migration possible? If so can it be done without sighted help? I 
>>> have the WindowEyes screen reader running in my Windows virtual machine.
>>> 
>>> Many thanks for any tips.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Paul Hopewell 
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Re: VIrtual box and other operating systems than windows.

[Krister Ekstrom]

But is the GUI now accessible or is it just the geeky command line stuff that 
is?
/Krister

> 10 juni 2017 kl. 04:46 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
> Yes, it’s a free alternative to VMWare. One of the advantages is that it has 
> a command line feature so you can script and type commands instead of point 
> and click and use the GUI.
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 9:24 PM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
>> 
>> So is this an alternative to VMWare?
>> 
>> thanks,
>> 
>>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:24 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Since Simon Fogarty here on this list mentioned that VirtualBox was 
>>> accessible i thought i would give it a try today.
>>> It seems to work but when selecting an operating system i can only see 
>>> windows and no other systems to select from.
>>> But i would like to try out som linux distributions in the virtual box.
>>> Can this be done without sight?
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> /A
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Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

[Nickus de Vos]

I tried again, but the thing is I can't seem to move around using voice over on 
the login screen, or it doesn't seem to move around anyway.
All VO keep saying no matter what I press is username, then if I switch VO off 
and on again, it just says username.

I tried navigating like you suggest, but nothing works and I have to switch off 
VO before my sighted assistance can navigate to my login name.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 10 Jun 2017, at 07:48, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> No, auto log in wont work with file volt,
> 
> When you start up vo at the log in screen, do a VO shift down arrow to open 
> the user list box,
> I always do a VO left / right arrow to ensure I have highlighted the correct 
> user,
> Then vo space bar on the the right user and then enter my password  which 
> will then log you in,
> 
> I need to check on the setting in users / groups to start vo at start up but 
> I don't believe that works at the log in prompt when FV is running.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
> Sent: Saturday, 10 June 2017 7:15 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled
> 
> Hi all
> I got a new MacBook Pro today, a 2015 retina model running the latest version 
> of Mac OS Sierra.
> 
> I can’t remember how I set up my iMac back in the day, but I do know that I 
> don’t have File volt encryption enabled on it. This time around I decided to 
> switch on Filevolt on my new MacBook Pro, but I came across a Voiceover bug 
> in doing so.
> 
> When I restarted the machine where it asks for your password to log in, 
> voiceover gets stuck and no matter what you press or try, all it keeps saying 
> over and over is “username”. So basically I found it impossible to log in to 
> my Mac using voiceover, I had to get sighted assistance to get passed the log 
> in screen, luckily someone was on hand.
> 
> I first thought I could simply enable automatic log in so that it doesn’t ask 
> for my password when starting up the machine, but turns out with File Volt 
> encryption enabled, you can’t enable automatic log in.
> 
> For now I disabled File Volt to work around this issue, but I’d like to 
> enable it again if possible. Have anyone else came across this bug and are 
> there any work arounds, something I missed?
> 
> Nickus
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Re: Accessible Password Manager

[Nimer Jaber]

 I am prompted to install the helper, but do not see how to install the
helper in Firefox. Also, I have some websites with multiple accounts. So I
really need to be able to select account that it auto fills. In safari, how
does this work? I have the extension installed.
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 21:48 E.T.  wrote:

> In Firefox, have you installed the 1Password helper? On the Mac,
> have you installed the Safari extension?
>
> In Firefox, after I press control-\ and enter my master password,
> the login information is entered and its done.
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> On 6/9/2017 7:15 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
> > Well then... I don't understand. On Windows in Firefox, I am able to use
> > last pass to auto-fill passwords... it will either do it automatically,
> > or it will do it if I press the applications key, up arrow to last pass,
> > right arrow to expand the menu, and select the item in the list that I
> > want to be filled in. With 1password, this does not seem to work... I do
> > have a 1password option in the menu, however it is not a submenu, and
> > pressing enter on that results in it telling me that 1password needs
> > something or other wo work, and the only way to input the passwords is
> > to go through the 1password interface, select the item, and copy that in
> > that way... this is not exactly convenient. On the Mac, I haven't had
> > any success with it auto-filling information on the web... does this
> > work on Windows or the Mac? Can someone possibly provide some directions
> > or steps or something if there is something that needs to be done to get
> > it working?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 1:48 PM christopher hallsworth
> > > wrote:
> >
> > Another vote for 1Password.
> > > On 9 Jun 2017, at 08:34, Nimer Jaber  > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I am looking for an accessible password manager. In the past, I
> > have been a last pass user, however I cannot figure out how to fill
> > passwords in with the Lastpass safari extension... I can get into
> > the context menu and find last pass as an option, however attempting
> > to activate it achieves no results. So, do you have a preferred
> > password manager? I would use auto-fill in Safari, however I do not
> > get the option to save some websites, and often times passwords are
> > not filled... this especially happens with the new login page that
> > gmail is using, but I have been able to reproduce that on other
> > sites as well. This happens with the latest release of Mac OS,.
> > >
> > > Thanks for any suggestions as to a workable password manager.
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Blume Wifi

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Scott,

When You test drive these blume wifi devices I'm interested to know how they go

They sound bloody interesting

I'm wondering though how you get them connected to your network.

Cheers,


Simon f

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RE: VIrtual box and other operating systems than windows.

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Anders,

 Yes I've used it  a few times now to setup windows vm
S,

 One for windows 7 and for windows 10,

I know there were a couple of steps that weren't easy to select the OS for 
install but I know it worked for me in the end.

Infact I believe it involved the selection of the os didn't happen till after I 
created the drive for install 
But I'll have to waittill I'm back at work on Monday to have another look at it.


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Sent: Saturday, 10 June 2017 9:25 AM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: VIrtual box and other operating systems than windows.

Hi!
Since Simon Fogarty here on this list mentioned that VirtualBox was accessible 
i thought i would give it a try today.
It seems to work but when selecting an operating system i can only see windows 
and no other systems to select from.
But i would like to try out som linux distributions in the virtual box.
Can this be done without sight?
Thanks in advance.
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RE: Migrating from VMWare Fusion to Bootcamp

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi harry,

 Yeah you don't need to hold the option key down,

 I use bootcamp on my mac book air and when it boots in to windows 10 I use 
jaws as my screen reader and on the task bar or sys tray there is a boot camp 
option which when I click or enter on  boot camp options open and then I up 
arrow to the start in mac os option is there  so I enter twice and the machine 
starts up in to the Mac OS,
 To restart into my windows machine I go into system preferences and under 
start menu I select bootcamp and the restart and then it restarts into  windows,

 No having to use Option key or not deal with vo or jaws, I always have a 
screen reader talking to me.

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Sent: Saturday, 10 June 2017 8:45 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Migrating from VMWare Fusion to Bootcamp

I have installed Windows 10 in bootcamp on my Mac Mini so I hold down the 
OPTION Key as it boots up, then I get a screen where the left icon is MacOS 
with an arrow under it and I have to arrow right once to select Windows. There 
is no voiceover available at this point but now I know what to do I no longer 
need help. If I don't hold down Option, it boots into Windows which is puzzling 
but not important. 
Harry

> On 9 Jun 2017, at 21:27, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I might be able to use Bootcamp without vMWare, but as far as I know, there’s 
> no screen reader input to choose between Mac and Windows.  In my past 
> experience, I could just wait and then arrow left to get to Windows, but it 
> was hardest to get back to Mac, as I had to hold down certain keys for a 
> certain length of time before it came up, so it was hit and miss.  I got 
> sighted help then.
> 
> Hth,
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 1:17 PM, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I am running the latest El Capitan on my late 2008 iMac. I have a Windows 7 
>> virtual machine running under VMWare Fusion.
>> 
>> I only use the Windows 7 infrequently to keep up my Windows skills and to do 
>> occasional testing of web sites under Windows. Under VMWare Fusion Windows 7 
>> runs painfully slowly. Is it possible to migrate instead to Windows 7 
>> running under Bootcamp so that I can either boot the iMac as Mac OS or as 
>> Windows. Hopefully Windows will work much faster than using VMWare. I am not 
>> concerned about sharing data between Windows and Mac OS. 
>> 
>> A complication is that I no longer have the install CDs for Windows or some 
>> of the Windows applications. Can I just move my existing virtual machine 
>> into a Bootcamp partition?
>> 
>> Is such a migration possible? If so can it be done without sighted help? I 
>> have the WindowEyes screen reader running in my Windows virtual machine.
>> 
>> Many thanks for any tips.
>> 
>> 
>> Paul Hopewell 
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RE: iOS 11 will let you record your iPhone or iPad's screen - CNET

[Simon Fogarty]

Alex is that the public beta or dev beta?


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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: iOS 11 will let you record your iPhone or iPad's screen - CNET

iOS 11 will let you record your iPhone or iPad's screen - CNET The developer 
preview is out, and users are beginning to talk about features Apple didn't 
announce during the keynote. One such feature is built-in screen recording.
It appears - as of right now - the feature is triggered through a button in 
Control Center. There's a bit of work you'll need to do to set it up, but once 
it's there, you can record your iOS device's display to show off your gaming 
skills, or capture a random bug that keeps occurring.
Below you can check out the video Twitter user @Alexpettitt made detailing how 
to enable and use the feature:
I had way too much fun recording this... but here's how to enable screen 
recorder in iOS 11 and turn on / off mic too: pic.twitter.com/CAU0td9tG5
- Alex Pettitt (@Alexpettitt) June 7, 2017 Presumably, you can then edit and 
share the screen recording just as can any other video stored on your iOS 
device. This is surely going to come in handy for many users. 
Since we are seeing the feature in an early beta, Apple can change how the 
feature looks and works. We will be sure to update this post with any changes 
up until iOS 11 is released to the public later this fall.
Apple confirmed to CNET this is indeed a feature of iOS 11. 
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-use-ios-11-built-in-screen-recording-feat
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