Re: Interesting observation

[maurice.mines]

Okay, I’m assuming that you are accessing this via the web I hope? Two 
what version of the iPhone are you running, what version of Bio OS are 
you running? Because I’ve never had a problem with the Facebook app 
however what I do run into trouble I just go to the web and use the web 
interface. I also when using Facebook messenger use a older wrap because 
the accessibility is better. However it is a OS X app. And when using 
the actual Facebook website should I run into problems then I go use the 
mobile site on the computer. Hopefully these few suggestions might be  
helpful to some.


Sincerely Maurice Mines.
Amateur callsign kd0iko.
VP national Federation of the blind of California Bakersfield chapter.
Official email address, maur...@mauricemines.org.

On 27 May 2019, at 5:42, Anders Holmberg wrote:


Hi!
I have heard that it eats up battery so i have decided to remove it 
from my Iphone.

Maybe it will speed it up too.
I will try.
/A


26 maj 2019 kl. 22:13 skrev Petrus Tuerlings :

Hi all,
I made an interesting observation on the weekend regarding the 
facebook app for the iPhone. I finally deleted my facebook account 
and the associated Apps off my iPhone.
I have an 8+ and as soon as I deleted the facebook app and the 
messenger app off it the speed of my phone went back to the speed it 
was running when I first got it. I hadn’t really notice it slowing 
down over the last year as it was gradual,  I could have a conspiracy 
theory about facebook, but I’m guessing it was just a very hungry 
app as far as using up resources on the device.

Not sure if anyone else has noticed this?
Petrus
Sent from Petrus' MacBook


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Re: Audacity for Mac

[Lorie McCloud]

what other apps would you suggest for the Mac?

> On May 27, 2019, at 6:52 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> There are better applications out there.
> They’re not quite willing to do anything about audacity for mac.
> /A
> 
>> 26 maj 2019 kl. 11:16 skrev Anne Robertson :
>> 
>> Hello Lorie,
>> 
>> Just copy Audacity.app then press command-shift-a to open the Applications 
>> folder and paste it in there.
>> I find Audacity to be quite complicated to use and rarely need to use it. I 
>> haven’t yet looked for a tutorial on it, but if I find one, I’ll give you 
>> the link.
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 26 May 2019, at 03:30, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just downloaded Audacity for Mac. I opened the disc image and I can find 
>>> 2 things in there if I tab or vo right and left I get, "audacity" and 
>>> "Applications" what am I supposed to do to install it?
>>> 
>>> also is there an audacity tutorial around somewhere that I can get hold of?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
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Re: To Add to the idea

[Jürgen Fleger]

Thanks a lot. Very illuminating!
And I agree: for further questions I’ll drop you a private message because we 
went off topic. ;-)
Jürgen


> Am 27.05.2019 um 19:07 schrieb B G :
> 
> N.B. is short for Nota Bene which literally means 'note well' in Latin
> and it is used to draw the reader's attention to the line that it
> precedes. You said something about German systems being well designed
> albeit overly complex and I was reminded of the well-known German car
> brand, Mercedes for upholding a similar design approach.
> N.B. 'Everything must be made as simple as possible and not simpler.'
> Albert Einstein.
> 'Funny' can mean laughable or strange, peculiar. 'Fun' can mean
> enjoyable, amusing. The distinctions can be a bit blurred in places;
> hence your understandable confusion.  Do look them up here at:
> https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/english where you'll find example
> sentences for both. If still unclear then feel free to drop me a line
> privately.
> 
> 
> On 5/27/19, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>> :-) What means "N.B.“ in long form?
>> 
>> „fun not funny“ Thanks for the clarification. I’m not really aware of the
>> differents but always eager to learn. Is funny not just the adjective of
>> fun?
>> 
>> Yes, braille without contractions is what german blind braille users on
>> Apple devices use all the time. But it would be great to have a good
>> contracted braille too. But this is of course whining at a high level.
>> 
>> Jürgen
>> 
>>> Am 27.05.2019 um 18:17 schrieb B G :
>>> 
>>> N.B. Mercedes cars. *smile*
>>> Just for clarity, and forgive me for the apparent pedantry, I think
>>> you mean 'fun' and not 'funny'.
>>> maybe a simplified Braille code for German would address the
>>> above-mentioned et al. I have heard of systems which are entirely in
>>> long-hand i.e. with no contraction; not sure if the underlying
>>> rationale is to avoid the type of problems you're citing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 5/27/19, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
 In my Windows time there was a german program for this called BKCom.
 Never
 liked it very much because writing braille on these smal keyboard keys
 wasn’t very funny. I wouldn’t need to write braille on a normal
 keyboard.
 But anyway there might be a group of people who really would appreciate
 this
 function. So give them the suggestion.To have a keyboard shortcut for
 this
 would be great.
 
 Yes, german braille is well designed but to complicated in its exception
 rules for automated processes. There was  a person named Wolfgang Hubert
 who
 collected all exeptional rules and put it in a database. Rumors say it
 has
 more then 1 million entries and he seems not to be willing to share it
 with
 Apple or Apple might be not interested in it. For example: if you put an
 f
 at the end of a word it means a certain endig but only if it sits at the
 end
 of certain words. At the end of other words it’s just meant as an f. The
 computer needs to know in which case which end to put, And this is very
 difficult in german. Apple uses a free available braille contraction
 table
 for german braille but this is very unprecise in terms of these rules.
 And
 so it’s not funny to use Apples version of contracted braille in german.
 And
 to stress the stereotype once again: german things are mostly well done
 but
 sometimes too complicated. ;-)
 
> Am 27.05.2019 um 17:27 schrieb B G :
> 
> Good point. How about having a hotkey toggle for switching in an out
> of Braille input mode? Say, VO with some key or another to turn on
> Braille and a chorded shortcut to switch back to the qwerty layout.
> You can't use more than one keyboard at a time in any case.
> 
> I was under the impression that German Braille was very well
> constructed albeit a little rule-heavy, not wishing to get into German
> stereotypes, of course. *smile*
> Ben
> 
> 
> On 5/27/19, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>> I’d personally prefere only a solution via the Trackpad. I’d like to
>> keep
>> both input methods simultaniously usable, normal keaboard via the
>> Keyboard
>> and braille keyboard via Trackpad. Otherwise what’s the benefit
>> changing
>> keyboard layout of the normal keyboard? Especially because contracted
>> braille in my mother tongue, german, is a little catastrophy. It’s so
>> full
>> of wrong contraction rules it’s nearly useless. And I’m writing very
>> fast
>> using my 10 fingers. But to have both methods abailable at the same
>> time
>> would be very handy.
>> Jürgen
>>> Am 27.05.2019 um 16:32 schrieb 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
>>> :
>>> 
>>> it's called 6-key entry.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>> On 

Re: To Add to the idea

[B G]

N.B. is short for Nota Bene which literally means 'note well' in Latin
and it is used to draw the reader's attention to the line that it
precedes. You said something about German systems being well designed
albeit overly complex and I was reminded of the well-known German car
brand, Mercedes for upholding a similar design approach.
N.B. 'Everything must be made as simple as possible and not simpler.'
Albert Einstein.
'Funny' can mean laughable or strange, peculiar. 'Fun' can mean
enjoyable, amusing. The distinctions can be a bit blurred in places;
hence your understandable confusion.  Do look them up here at:
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/english where you'll find example
sentences for both. If still unclear then feel free to drop me a line
privately.


On 5/27/19, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> :-) What means "N.B.“ in long form?
>
> „fun not funny“ Thanks for the clarification. I’m not really aware of the
> differents but always eager to learn. Is funny not just the adjective of
> fun?
>
> Yes, braille without contractions is what german blind braille users on
> Apple devices use all the time. But it would be great to have a good
> contracted braille too. But this is of course whining at a high level.
>
> Jürgen
>
>> Am 27.05.2019 um 18:17 schrieb B G :
>>
>> N.B. Mercedes cars. *smile*
>> Just for clarity, and forgive me for the apparent pedantry, I think
>> you mean 'fun' and not 'funny'.
>> maybe a simplified Braille code for German would address the
>> above-mentioned et al. I have heard of systems which are entirely in
>> long-hand i.e. with no contraction; not sure if the underlying
>> rationale is to avoid the type of problems you're citing.
>>
>>
>> On 5/27/19, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>>> In my Windows time there was a german program for this called BKCom.
>>> Never
>>> liked it very much because writing braille on these smal keyboard keys
>>> wasn’t very funny. I wouldn’t need to write braille on a normal
>>> keyboard.
>>> But anyway there might be a group of people who really would appreciate
>>> this
>>> function. So give them the suggestion.To have a keyboard shortcut for
>>> this
>>> would be great.
>>>
>>> Yes, german braille is well designed but to complicated in its exception
>>> rules for automated processes. There was  a person named Wolfgang Hubert
>>> who
>>> collected all exeptional rules and put it in a database. Rumors say it
>>> has
>>> more then 1 million entries and he seems not to be willing to share it
>>> with
>>> Apple or Apple might be not interested in it. For example: if you put an
>>> f
>>> at the end of a word it means a certain endig but only if it sits at the
>>> end
>>> of certain words. At the end of other words it’s just meant as an f. The
>>> computer needs to know in which case which end to put, And this is very
>>> difficult in german. Apple uses a free available braille contraction
>>> table
>>> for german braille but this is very unprecise in terms of these rules.
>>> And
>>> so it’s not funny to use Apples version of contracted braille in german.
>>> And
>>> to stress the stereotype once again: german things are mostly well done
>>> but
>>> sometimes too complicated. ;-)
>>>
 Am 27.05.2019 um 17:27 schrieb B G :

 Good point. How about having a hotkey toggle for switching in an out
 of Braille input mode? Say, VO with some key or another to turn on
 Braille and a chorded shortcut to switch back to the qwerty layout.
 You can't use more than one keyboard at a time in any case.

 I was under the impression that German Braille was very well
 constructed albeit a little rule-heavy, not wishing to get into German
 stereotypes, of course. *smile*
 Ben


 On 5/27/19, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> I’d personally prefere only a solution via the Trackpad. I’d like to
> keep
> both input methods simultaniously usable, normal keaboard via the
> Keyboard
> and braille keyboard via Trackpad. Otherwise what’s the benefit
> changing
> keyboard layout of the normal keyboard? Especially because contracted
> braille in my mother tongue, german, is a little catastrophy. It’s so
> full
> of wrong contraction rules it’s nearly useless. And I’m writing very
> fast
> using my 10 fingers. But to have both methods abailable at the same
> time
> would be very handy.
> Jürgen
>> Am 27.05.2019 um 16:32 schrieb 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
>> :
>>
>> it's called 6-key entry.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>
>> On 5/27/2019 3:48 AM, B G wrote:
>>> One could have some of the qwerty keys turned into Braille input
>>> keys
>>> - similar to the the idea originally introduced by Duxbury in the
>>> 90's. Thus, your f, d, s, j, k, l keys would map to dots 1, 2, 3, 4,
>>> 5, 6, and the a and ; (semicolon) keys to dots 7 and 8.

Re: To Add to the idea

[Jürgen Fleger]

:-) What means "N.B.“ in long form?

„fun not funny“ Thanks for the clarification. I’m not really aware of the 
differents but always eager to learn. Is funny not just the adjective of fun?

Yes, braille without contractions is what german blind braille users on Apple 
devices use all the time. But it would be great to have a good contracted 
braille too. But this is of course whining at a high level.

Jürgen

> Am 27.05.2019 um 18:17 schrieb B G :
> 
> N.B. Mercedes cars. *smile*
> Just for clarity, and forgive me for the apparent pedantry, I think
> you mean 'fun' and not 'funny'.
> maybe a simplified Braille code for German would address the
> above-mentioned et al. I have heard of systems which are entirely in
> long-hand i.e. with no contraction; not sure if the underlying
> rationale is to avoid the type of problems you're citing.
> 
> 
> On 5/27/19, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>> In my Windows time there was a german program for this called BKCom. Never
>> liked it very much because writing braille on these smal keyboard keys
>> wasn’t very funny. I wouldn’t need to write braille on a normal keyboard.
>> But anyway there might be a group of people who really would appreciate this
>> function. So give them the suggestion.To have a keyboard shortcut for this
>> would be great.
>> 
>> Yes, german braille is well designed but to complicated in its exception
>> rules for automated processes. There was  a person named Wolfgang Hubert who
>> collected all exeptional rules and put it in a database. Rumors say it has
>> more then 1 million entries and he seems not to be willing to share it with
>> Apple or Apple might be not interested in it. For example: if you put an f
>> at the end of a word it means a certain endig but only if it sits at the end
>> of certain words. At the end of other words it’s just meant as an f. The
>> computer needs to know in which case which end to put, And this is very
>> difficult in german. Apple uses a free available braille contraction table
>> for german braille but this is very unprecise in terms of these rules. And
>> so it’s not funny to use Apples version of contracted braille in german. And
>> to stress the stereotype once again: german things are mostly well done but
>> sometimes too complicated. ;-)
>> 
>>> Am 27.05.2019 um 17:27 schrieb B G :
>>> 
>>> Good point. How about having a hotkey toggle for switching in an out
>>> of Braille input mode? Say, VO with some key or another to turn on
>>> Braille and a chorded shortcut to switch back to the qwerty layout.
>>> You can't use more than one keyboard at a time in any case.
>>> 
>>> I was under the impression that German Braille was very well
>>> constructed albeit a little rule-heavy, not wishing to get into German
>>> stereotypes, of course. *smile*
>>> Ben
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 5/27/19, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
 I’d personally prefere only a solution via the Trackpad. I’d like to
 keep
 both input methods simultaniously usable, normal keaboard via the
 Keyboard
 and braille keyboard via Trackpad. Otherwise what’s the benefit changing
 keyboard layout of the normal keyboard? Especially because contracted
 braille in my mother tongue, german, is a little catastrophy. It’s so
 full
 of wrong contraction rules it’s nearly useless. And I’m writing very
 fast
 using my 10 fingers. But to have both methods abailable at the same time
 would be very handy.
 Jürgen
> Am 27.05.2019 um 16:32 schrieb 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
> :
> 
> it's called 6-key entry.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 5/27/2019 3:48 AM, B G wrote:
>> One could have some of the qwerty keys turned into Braille input keys
>> - similar to the the idea originally introduced by Duxbury in the
>> 90's. Thus, your f, d, s, j, k, l keys would map to dots 1, 2, 3, 4,
>> 5, 6, and the a and ; (semicolon) keys to dots 7 and 8.
>> What do we think?
>> Ben
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Re: To Add to the idea

[B G]

N.B. Mercedes cars. *smile*
Just for clarity, and forgive me for the apparent pedantry, I think
you mean 'fun' and not 'funny'.
maybe a simplified Braille code for German would address the
above-mentioned et al. I have heard of systems which are entirely in
long-hand i.e. with no contraction; not sure if the underlying
rationale is to avoid the type of problems you're citing.


On 5/27/19, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> In my Windows time there was a german program for this called BKCom. Never
> liked it very much because writing braille on these smal keyboard keys
> wasn’t very funny. I wouldn’t need to write braille on a normal keyboard.
> But anyway there might be a group of people who really would appreciate this
> function. So give them the suggestion.To have a keyboard shortcut for this
> would be great.
>
> Yes, german braille is well designed but to complicated in its exception
> rules for automated processes. There was  a person named Wolfgang Hubert who
> collected all exeptional rules and put it in a database. Rumors say it has
> more then 1 million entries and he seems not to be willing to share it with
> Apple or Apple might be not interested in it. For example: if you put an f
> at the end of a word it means a certain endig but only if it sits at the end
> of certain words. At the end of other words it’s just meant as an f. The
> computer needs to know in which case which end to put, And this is very
> difficult in german. Apple uses a free available braille contraction table
> for german braille but this is very unprecise in terms of these rules. And
> so it’s not funny to use Apples version of contracted braille in german. And
> to stress the stereotype once again: german things are mostly well done but
> sometimes too complicated. ;-)
>
>> Am 27.05.2019 um 17:27 schrieb B G :
>>
>> Good point. How about having a hotkey toggle for switching in an out
>> of Braille input mode? Say, VO with some key or another to turn on
>> Braille and a chorded shortcut to switch back to the qwerty layout.
>> You can't use more than one keyboard at a time in any case.
>>
>> I was under the impression that German Braille was very well
>> constructed albeit a little rule-heavy, not wishing to get into German
>> stereotypes, of course. *smile*
>> Ben
>>
>>
>> On 5/27/19, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>>> I’d personally prefere only a solution via the Trackpad. I’d like to
>>> keep
>>> both input methods simultaniously usable, normal keaboard via the
>>> Keyboard
>>> and braille keyboard via Trackpad. Otherwise what’s the benefit changing
>>> keyboard layout of the normal keyboard? Especially because contracted
>>> braille in my mother tongue, german, is a little catastrophy. It’s so
>>> full
>>> of wrong contraction rules it’s nearly useless. And I’m writing very
>>> fast
>>> using my 10 fingers. But to have both methods abailable at the same time
>>> would be very handy.
>>> Jürgen
 Am 27.05.2019 um 16:32 schrieb 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
 :

  it's called 6-key entry.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 Many believe that we have been visited
 in the past. What if it were true?

 On 5/27/2019 3:48 AM, B G wrote:
> One could have some of the qwerty keys turned into Braille input keys
> - similar to the the idea originally introduced by Duxbury in the
> 90's. Thus, your f, d, s, j, k, l keys would map to dots 1, 2, 3, 4,
> 5, 6, and the a and ; (semicolon) keys to dots 7 and 8.
> What do we think?
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Re: To Add to the idea

[Jürgen Fleger]

In my Windows time there was a german program for this called BKCom. Never 
liked it very much because writing braille on these smal keyboard keys wasn’t 
very funny. I wouldn’t need to write braille on a normal keyboard. But anyway 
there might be a group of people who really would appreciate this function. So 
give them the suggestion.To have a keyboard shortcut for this would be great.

Yes, german braille is well designed but to complicated in its exception rules 
for automated processes. There was  a person named Wolfgang Hubert who 
collected all exeptional rules and put it in a database. Rumors say it has more 
then 1 million entries and he seems not to be willing to share it with Apple or 
Apple might be not interested in it. For example: if you put an f at the end of 
a word it means a certain endig but only if it sits at the end of certain 
words. At the end of other words it’s just meant as an f. The computer needs to 
know in which case which end to put, And this is very difficult in german. 
Apple uses a free available braille contraction table for german braille but 
this is very unprecise in terms of these rules. And so it’s not funny to use 
Apples version of contracted braille in german. And to stress the stereotype 
once again: german things are mostly well done but sometimes too complicated. 
;-)

> Am 27.05.2019 um 17:27 schrieb B G :
> 
> Good point. How about having a hotkey toggle for switching in an out
> of Braille input mode? Say, VO with some key or another to turn on
> Braille and a chorded shortcut to switch back to the qwerty layout.
> You can't use more than one keyboard at a time in any case.
> 
> I was under the impression that German Braille was very well
> constructed albeit a little rule-heavy, not wishing to get into German
> stereotypes, of course. *smile*
> Ben
> 
> 
> On 5/27/19, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>> I’d personally prefere only a solution via the Trackpad. I’d like to keep
>> both input methods simultaniously usable, normal keaboard via the Keyboard
>> and braille keyboard via Trackpad. Otherwise what’s the benefit changing
>> keyboard layout of the normal keyboard? Especially because contracted
>> braille in my mother tongue, german, is a little catastrophy. It’s so full
>> of wrong contraction rules it’s nearly useless. And I’m writing very fast
>> using my 10 fingers. But to have both methods abailable at the same time
>> would be very handy.
>> Jürgen
>>> Am 27.05.2019 um 16:32 schrieb 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
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>>> 
>>>  it's called 6-key entry.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>> On 5/27/2019 3:48 AM, B G wrote:
 One could have some of the qwerty keys turned into Braille input keys
 - similar to the the idea originally introduced by Duxbury in the
 90's. Thus, your f, d, s, j, k, l keys would map to dots 1, 2, 3, 4,
 5, 6, and the a and ; (semicolon) keys to dots 7 and 8.
 What do we think?
 Ben
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Re: Question about Deleting Trash from a POP3 Mail Folder

[Craig Werner]

Ah yes, there's the button, big as life.  Thank you.  I was so sure
that the answer might lie in the "Mailbox Behaviors" tab of the Mail
settings that it did not occur to me to check the first tab in the
series.  I have pressed the "remove now" button and then deleted all
of the messages in my Mac's "trash" folder.  I have also set the
"delete" period from now on to one week.  We'll see if the odd
behavior recurs.

Thank you, Tim.

Craig

On 5/27/19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Sorry for being unclear.  The "remove Now" should be in Mail Prefs,
> Accounts, Account Information pane.  Pressing this button removes copies of
> messages from the server immediately instead of waiting for the schedule.
> It doesn't really address your issue, but will totally quash the idea that
> it has anything to do with Horizon's servers.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On May 27, 2019, at 09:48, Craig Werner  wrote:
>
> Thank you, Tim, for your reply.
>
> I have only one active e mail account: the Verizon POP account I
> mentioned.  I can't find the "remove now" button you mentioned in the
> Mail App's screen.  If I look at the index of apps, select Mail, and
> press "Command-I" for information, I'm not seeing this button.  If I
> open Apple Mail and go to the "Mailbox" menu, there is a menu setting
> with a submenu called "Erase Deleted Items," but that's not the one
> you mean, right?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Craig
>
> On 5/27/19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
>  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'd tend to agree with your assessment.  In a POP account, the messages
>> are
>> brought to your computer, and depending on your additional settings, are
>> removed from the server at specific intervals set by you.  There could be
>> confusion when there is multiple accounts in your Mail app, but I'm
>> grasping
>> here.  I suggest that you tell the Mail app to remove the messages from
>> the
>> server.  There should be a "Remove Now" button in the Account Information
>> pane of this screen.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On May 27, 2019, at 06:26, Craig Werner  wrote:
>>
>> Hello, everyone, and Happy Memorial Day to U.S. readers.
>>
>> I use Apple Mail on a MacBook Air running Mojave 10.14.4.  Under "Mail
>> Settings -> Accounts -> Mailbox Behaviors," I have set mail to be
>> deleted from the trash folder after one month.  I recently went to the
>> bottom of my Trash index, something I rarely do, and found messages
>> much older than a month.  Some even went back to 2018.  An Apple
>> Accessibility rep told me this is a behavior controlled by my mail
>> provider, but I don't think so.  In a POP account, shouldn't this
>> mailbox setting be honored on the Mac without server intervention?
>>
>> Thanks for all help.
>>
>> Craig
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Re: Question about Deleting Trash from a POP3 Mail Folder

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Sorry for being unclear.  The "remove Now" should be in Mail Prefs, Accounts, 
Account Information pane.  Pressing this button removes copies of messages from 
the server immediately instead of waiting for the schedule.  It doesn't really 
address your issue, but will totally quash the idea that it has anything to do 
with Horizon's servers.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 27, 2019, at 09:48, Craig Werner  wrote:

Thank you, Tim, for your reply.

I have only one active e mail account: the Verizon POP account I
mentioned.  I can't find the "remove now" button you mentioned in the
Mail App's screen.  If I look at the index of apps, select Mail, and
press "Command-I" for information, I'm not seeing this button.  If I
open Apple Mail and go to the "Mailbox" menu, there is a menu setting
with a submenu called "Erase Deleted Items," but that's not the one
you mean, right?

Thanks.

Craig

On 5/27/19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'd tend to agree with your assessment.  In a POP account, the messages are
> brought to your computer, and depending on your additional settings, are
> removed from the server at specific intervals set by you.  There could be
> confusion when there is multiple accounts in your Mail app, but I'm grasping
> here.  I suggest that you tell the Mail app to remove the messages from the
> server.  There should be a "Remove Now" button in the Account Information
> pane of this screen.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On May 27, 2019, at 06:26, Craig Werner  wrote:
> 
> Hello, everyone, and Happy Memorial Day to U.S. readers.
> 
> I use Apple Mail on a MacBook Air running Mojave 10.14.4.  Under "Mail
> Settings -> Accounts -> Mailbox Behaviors," I have set mail to be
> deleted from the trash folder after one month.  I recently went to the
> bottom of my Trash index, something I rarely do, and found messages
> much older than a month.  Some even went back to 2018.  An Apple
> Accessibility rep told me this is a behavior controlled by my mail
> provider, but I don't think so.  In a POP account, shouldn't this
> mailbox setting be honored on the Mac without server intervention?
> 
> Thanks for all help.
> 
> Craig
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Re: Question about Deleting Trash from a POP3 Mail Folder

[Craig Werner]

Thank you, Tim, for your reply.

I have only one active e mail account: the Verizon POP account I
mentioned.  I can't find the "remove now" button you mentioned in the
Mail App's screen.  If I look at the index of apps, select Mail, and
press "Command-I" for information, I'm not seeing this button.  If I
open Apple Mail and go to the "Mailbox" menu, there is a menu setting
with a submenu called "Erase Deleted Items," but that's not the one
you mean, right?

Thanks.

Craig

On 5/27/19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'd tend to agree with your assessment.  In a POP account, the messages are
> brought to your computer, and depending on your additional settings, are
> removed from the server at specific intervals set by you.  There could be
> confusion when there is multiple accounts in your Mail app, but I'm grasping
> here.  I suggest that you tell the Mail app to remove the messages from the
> server.  There should be a "Remove Now" button in the Account Information
> pane of this screen.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On May 27, 2019, at 06:26, Craig Werner  wrote:
>
> Hello, everyone, and Happy Memorial Day to U.S. readers.
>
> I use Apple Mail on a MacBook Air running Mojave 10.14.4.  Under "Mail
> Settings -> Accounts -> Mailbox Behaviors," I have set mail to be
> deleted from the trash folder after one month.  I recently went to the
> bottom of my Trash index, something I rarely do, and found messages
> much older than a month.  Some even went back to 2018.  An Apple
> Accessibility rep told me this is a behavior controlled by my mail
> provider, but I don't think so.  In a POP account, shouldn't this
> mailbox setting be honored on the Mac without server intervention?
>
> Thanks for all help.
>
> Craig
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Re: To Add to the idea

[B G]

Good point. How about having a hotkey toggle for switching in an out
of Braille input mode? Say, VO with some key or another to turn on
Braille and a chorded shortcut to switch back to the qwerty layout.
You can't use more than one keyboard at a time in any case.

I was under the impression that German Braille was very well
constructed albeit a little rule-heavy, not wishing to get into German
stereotypes, of course. *smile*
Ben


On 5/27/19, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> I’d personally prefere only a solution via the Trackpad. I’d like to keep
> both input methods simultaniously usable, normal keaboard via the Keyboard
> and braille keyboard via Trackpad. Otherwise what’s the benefit changing
> keyboard layout of the normal keyboard? Especially because contracted
> braille in my mother tongue, german, is a little catastrophy. It’s so full
> of wrong contraction rules it’s nearly useless. And I’m writing very fast
> using my 10 fingers. But to have both methods abailable at the same time
> would be very handy.
> Jürgen
>> Am 27.05.2019 um 16:32 schrieb 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
>> :
>>
>>   it's called 6-key entry.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>
>> On 5/27/2019 3:48 AM, B G wrote:
>>> One could have some of the qwerty keys turned into Braille input keys
>>> - similar to the the idea originally introduced by Duxbury in the
>>> 90's. Thus, your f, d, s, j, k, l keys would map to dots 1, 2, 3, 4,
>>> 5, 6, and the a and ; (semicolon) keys to dots 7 and 8.
>>> What do we think?
>>> Ben
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Re: To Add to the idea

[Jürgen Fleger]

I’d personally prefere only a solution via the Trackpad. I’d like to keep both 
input methods simultaniously usable, normal keaboard via the Keyboard and 
braille keyboard via Trackpad. Otherwise what’s the benefit changing keyboard 
layout of the normal keyboard? Especially because contracted braille in my 
mother tongue, german, is a little catastrophy. It’s so full of wrong 
contraction rules it’s nearly useless. And I’m writing very fast using my 10 
fingers. But to have both methods abailable at the same time would be very 
handy.
Jürgen
> Am 27.05.2019 um 16:32 schrieb 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>   it's called 6-key entry.
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> On 5/27/2019 3:48 AM, B G wrote:
>> One could have some of the qwerty keys turned into Braille input keys
>> - similar to the the idea originally introduced by Duxbury in the
>> 90's. Thus, your f, d, s, j, k, l keys would map to dots 1, 2, 3, 4,
>> 5, 6, and the a and ; (semicolon) keys to dots 7 and 8.
>> What do we think?
>> Ben
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Re: Airplay confusion.

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

It's possible that it's the fault of the older Airport Express as you've 
suggested.  The processor in the older one is slower, it does not support all 
the same features as the newer models, and usually only updates to a version of 
software that does not support all the newer features.  These, of course, are 
just educated guesses as I don't have an older Express around to confirm.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
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On May 23, 2019, at 05:46, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
I have 2 airport express devices in my Apartment.
One older and one of the newer ones.
When i get for example a call or want to ask siri about something and i am 
connected to the older airport express the music interupts as it used to do 
when connected to bouetooth.
But when i am connected to the newer airport express and do the same the music 
continues to play like nothing has happend.
Also the newer express device is called something like multirout or something 
like that.
Is this because the newer airport express has support for airplay 2?
If so then i have to try to find  a refurbished one for my kitchen.
/A

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Re: To Add to the idea

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   it's called 6-key entry.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 5/27/2019 3:48 AM, B G wrote:

One could have some of the qwerty keys turned into Braille input keys
- similar to the the idea originally introduced by Duxbury in the
90's. Thus, your f, d, s, j, k, l keys would map to dots 1, 2, 3, 4,
5, 6, and the a and ; (semicolon) keys to dots 7 and 8.

What do we think?
Ben



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Re: Question about Deleting Trash from a POP3 Mail Folder

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Hi,

I'd tend to agree with your assessment.  In a POP account, the messages are 
brought to your computer, and depending on your additional settings, are 
removed from the server at specific intervals set by you.  There could be 
confusion when there is multiple accounts in your Mail app, but I'm grasping 
here.  I suggest that you tell the Mail app to remove the messages from the 
server.  There should be a "Remove Now" button in the Account Information pane 
of this screen.

Later...

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On May 27, 2019, at 06:26, Craig Werner  wrote:

Hello, everyone, and Happy Memorial Day to U.S. readers.

I use Apple Mail on a MacBook Air running Mojave 10.14.4.  Under "Mail
Settings -> Accounts -> Mailbox Behaviors," I have set mail to be
deleted from the trash folder after one month.  I recently went to the
bottom of my Trash index, something I rarely do, and found messages
much older than a month.  Some even went back to 2018.  An Apple
Accessibility rep told me this is a behavior controlled by my mail
provider, but I don't think so.  In a POP account, shouldn't this
mailbox setting be honored on the Mac without server intervention?

Thanks for all help.

Craig

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Re: Interesting observation

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

One can turn off Background App Refresh for FaceBook in Settings, General, 
Background App Refresh.  This may reduce battery usage without totally removing 
the app.  It would be worth a test.

Later...

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On May 27, 2019, at 06:42, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
I have heard that it eats up battery so i have decided to remove it from my 
Iphone.
Maybe it will speed it up too.
I will try.
/A

> 26 maj 2019 kl. 22:13 skrev Petrus Tuerlings  >:
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> I made an interesting observation on the weekend regarding the facebook app 
> for the iPhone. I finally deleted my facebook account and the associated Apps 
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> was gradual,  I could have a conspiracy theory about facebook, but I’m 
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> device. 
> Not sure if anyone else has noticed this?
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Re: To Add to the idea

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
That’s a great one.
But i seldom type in braille.
Although i read it on the mac and there has to be changes to the hole braille 
support on the mac i think.
/A

> 27 maj 2019 kl. 12:48 skrev B G :
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> One could have some of the qwerty keys turned into Braille input keys
> - similar to the the idea originally introduced by Duxbury in the
> 90's. Thus, your f, d, s, j, k, l keys would map to dots 1, 2, 3, 4,
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> What do we think?
> Ben
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Re: Interesting observation

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I have heard that it eats up battery so i have decided to remove it from my 
Iphone.
Maybe it will speed it up too.
I will try.
/A

> 26 maj 2019 kl. 22:13 skrev Petrus Tuerlings :
> 
> Hi all,
> I made an interesting observation on the weekend regarding the facebook app 
> for the iPhone. I finally deleted my facebook account and the associated Apps 
> off my iPhone.
> I have an 8+ and as soon as I deleted the facebook app and the messenger app 
> off it the speed of my phone went back to the speed it was running when I 
> first got it. I hadn’t really notice it slowing down over the last year as it 
> was gradual,  I could have a conspiracy theory about facebook, but I’m 
> guessing it was just a very hungry app as far as using up resources on the 
> device. 
> Not sure if anyone else has noticed this?
> Petrus 
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Re: Just a thought, an idea for VO on Mac OS

[B G]

Do you mean the trackpad? My addition to the idea should address that.
You would use your qwerty keys to input Braille. To recap, F, D, S, J,
K, L would correspond to dots 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6; and a and the
semicolon to 7 and 8. Of course, one could build upon that and
introduce the chord concept first modeled by Blazy Engineering in
their BnS products.  The basis for the idea being the combination of
the space key (or bar) with a Braille character to execute commands
e.g. space-o (i.e. space together with dots 1, 3, and 5) to substitute
for command (Apple) o for opening a file/folder; you get the idea.
*smile*
on the MacBook keyboard this would solve - at least in part -
negotiating with the overly compactness of the keyboard as some might
see it. it would certainly increase input speed and reduce error
corollation as it were on the conventional qwerty keyboard. Worth a
reminder that the existing qwerty layout was designed - the original
design was in fact altered - in order to save early typewriters from
fast typists who were apparently wrecking them with merciless
dexterity. *smile*
Comments, criticisms, suggestions, all welcome.
Ben

On 5/27/19, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> Hi!
> Maybe it could be something for those who use that.
> I can’t use it because i don’t get it.
> But yes why not?
> /A
>
>> 26 maj 2019 kl. 13:57 skrev B G :
>>
>> 'Was thinking wouldn't it be nice (sounds like the Beach Boys number)
>> *smile*
>> Wouldn't it be nice if one also had the on-screen Braille keypad on
>> Mac OS VO? It would be accessible on the trackpad, and you'd be able
>> to enter text, programming code i.a. in contracted Braille.
>> There we are, thought I'd share that with you.
>> Ben
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Question about Deleting Trash from a POP3 Mail Folder

[Craig Werner]

Hello, everyone, and Happy Memorial Day to U.S. readers.

I use Apple Mail on a MacBook Air running Mojave 10.14.4.  Under "Mail
Settings -> Accounts -> Mailbox Behaviors," I have set mail to be
deleted from the trash folder after one month.  I recently went to the
bottom of my Trash index, something I rarely do, and found messages
much older than a month.  Some even went back to 2018.  An Apple
Accessibility rep told me this is a behavior controlled by my mail
provider, but I don't think so.  In a POP account, shouldn't this
mailbox setting be honored on the Mac without server intervention?

Thanks for all help.

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RE: apple watch sync issue

[M. Taylor]

Hello Simon,

Is your Apple Watch the LTE model?  If so, this would definitely explain your 
issue.

I believe you live in New Zealand.  So, I don’t know how things work down there 
but here in the US, changing cell providers involves switching out SIM cards.  

Sometimes, I’ve had to reset the phone, essentially reactivating the device 
with the new SIM card installed.  

If your watch is not the LTE model, then, I would suggest that you first, 
unpair, essentially wiping clean, the watch from your iCloud account, then 
re-paring the watch to your phone.  

I believe that the key to resolving your issue will greatly depend upon which 
version of Apple Watch you own.

However, having said all of this, were I you, my first step would be to wipe 
the watch and re-pair it to your phone.

Mark

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2019 3:27 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: apple watch sync issue

Hi List,

I’ve just changed my mobile provider over the passed weekend and since I’m 
finding that my watch is not letting me send sms messages to a friend.

On the phone it works fine, 
The text messages go with out issue,

However they don’t sync to show on my watch.

And if I send from my watch then 5 minutes later I get an error messge saying 
the text couldn’t be delivere.
The friend has an android device which is fine if I’m not using iMessage, 
But it’s never been an issue from my watch before.
Since changing my mobile provider do I have to make an update to my phone?

Just wondering if anyone else has struck anything like this before?

Cheers,


Simon f
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Re: Just a thought, an idea for VO on Mac OS

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Maybe it could be something for those who use that.
I can’t use it because i don’t get it.
But yes why not?
/A

> 26 maj 2019 kl. 13:57 skrev B G :
> 
> 'Was thinking wouldn't it be nice (sounds like the Beach Boys number) *smile*
> Wouldn't it be nice if one also had the on-screen Braille keypad on
> Mac OS VO? It would be accessible on the trackpad, and you'd be able
> to enter text, programming code i.a. in contracted Braille.
> There we are, thought I'd share that with you.
> Ben
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Re: Audacity for Mac

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
There are better applications out there.
They’re not quite willing to do anything about audacity for mac.
/A

> 26 maj 2019 kl. 11:16 skrev Anne Robertson :
> 
> Hello Lorie,
> 
> Just copy Audacity.app then press command-shift-a to open the Applications 
> folder and paste it in there.
> I find Audacity to be quite complicated to use and rarely need to use it. I 
> haven’t yet looked for a tutorial on it, but if I find one, I’ll give you the 
> link.
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 26 May 2019, at 03:30, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> I just downloaded Audacity for Mac. I opened the disc image and I can find 2 
>> things in there if I tab or vo right and left I get, "audacity" and 
>> "Applications" what am I supposed to do to install it?
>> 
>> also is there an audacity tutorial around somewhere that I can get hold of?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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To Add to the idea

[B G]

One could have some of the qwerty keys turned into Braille input keys
- similar to the the idea originally introduced by Duxbury in the
90's. Thus, your f, d, s, j, k, l keys would map to dots 1, 2, 3, 4,
5, 6, and the a and ; (semicolon) keys to dots 7 and 8.

What do we think?
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Re: Accessible Metronome apps for iOS

[B G]

Thank you Simon I am now using Smart Metronome as recommended by one
of our friends here on the list.
Ben

On 5/27/19, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Just to a search in the app store and see what you get,
>
> There were a lot when I looked for myself.
> Including a number that allowed for different beats,
> I don’t' use them now but I could try digging them out.
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> Any recommendation would be gratefully received. I'm looking for one
> covering different beats e.g. 4/4 3/4, 6/8 and so forth.
> Many thanks, Ben
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apple watch sync issue

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi List,

I've just changed my mobile provider over the passed weekend and since I'm 
finding that my watch is not letting me send sms messages to a friend.

On the phone it works fine,
The text messages go with out issue,
However they don't sync to show on my watch.

And if I send from my watch then 5 minutes later I get an error messge saying 
the text couldn't be delivere.
The friend has an android device which is fine if I'm not using iMessage,
But it's never been an issue from my watch before.
Since changing my mobile provider do I have to make an update to my phone?

Just wondering if anyone else has struck anything like this before?

Cheers,


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RE: Accessible Metronome apps for iOS

[Simon Fogarty]

Just to a search in the app store and see what you get,

There were a lot when I looked for myself.
Including a number that allowed for different beats, 
I don’t' use them now but I could try digging them out.

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of B G
Sent: Monday, 27 May 2019 4:41 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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Any recommendation would be gratefully received. I'm looking for one covering 
different beats e.g. 4/4 3/4, 6/8 and so forth.
Many thanks, Ben

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RE: Just a thought, an idea for VO on Mac OS

[Simon Fogarty]

Can we make money from you wanting us to submit this idea to them?

 Yep sure I'll send the idea to them for 1000 US Dollars,

 In small green unmarked bills,


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of B G
Sent: Monday, 27 May 2019 4:22 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Just a thought, an idea for VO on Mac OS

I've sent Apple my feature suggestion. May I encourage those of you in favour 
to contact them as well? As stated already the greater the number the higher 
the likelihood of it gaining traction.
Ben

On 5/26/19, B G  wrote:
> Actually, no, I'd forgotten about them; thanks for the reminder. I 
> will now send them the idea.
> Cheers, Ben
>
>
> On 5/26/19, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>> Hello Ban,
>>
>> very funny. Just two minutes ago sent this suggestion to 
>> accessibil...@apple.com. :-)
>>
>> If you send it too, which I guess you‘ve already done, they might 
>> considder it as a new feature in Mac OS.
>>
>> All the best
>> Jürgen
>>
>>
>> Von meinem iPad Pro gesendet
>>
>>> Am 26.05.2019 um 13:57 schrieb B G :
>>>
>>> 'Was thinking wouldn't it be nice (sounds like the Beach Boys 
>>> number)
>>> *smile*
>>> Wouldn't it be nice if one also had the on-screen Braille keypad on 
>>> Mac OS VO? It would be accessible on the trackpad, and you'd be able 
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>>> There we are, thought I'd share that with you.
>>> Ben
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RE: Just a thought, an idea for VO on Mac OS

[Simon Fogarty]

Not a bad thought actually ben,

But theyd have to change the touch pad from the hard pad they have now to 
something a bit more interactive like a phone screen 
Great idea.

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Sent: Sunday, 26 May 2019 11:57 PM
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Subject: Just a thought, an idea for VO on Mac OS

'Was thinking wouldn't it be nice (sounds like the Beach Boys number) *smile* 
Wouldn't it be nice if one also had the on-screen Braille keypad on Mac OS VO? 
It would be accessible on the trackpad, and you'd be able to enter text, 
programming code i.a. in contracted Braille.
There we are, thought I'd share that with you.
Ben

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RE: powerbeats pro

[Simon Fogarty]

Interesting,

It almost sounds like what apple thought they were doing with the airpods
They ended up doing with the power beats pro instead.
Strange how the beats have all the features apple should have.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Sunday, 26 May 2019 10:23 PM
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Subject: Re: powerbeats pro

They don’t switch automatically, but they do switch quickly.  Another thing 
that happens, is say you last used them with your iPhone, but your iPad is 
closer, it will give you audio from iPad 1st, before phone.  Keep in mind you 
can always switch sources by going to control center, and choosing from audio 
root.

Sent from my iPhone X

On May 26, 2019, at 4:10 AM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Hi List,

I believe a few people have tried out the powerbeats pro headphones which were 
released a couple of weeks ago,

Just wondering if anyones tried them with automatically switching between 
different devices and if so how successful they were?

As the apple airpods choose when they want to switch if at all, do the 
powerbeats pro switch at all and if so how well?

Chers for any info

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Re: Just a thought, an idea for VO on Mac OS

[Daniela Rubio]

Hi all!

I also sent the suggestion, so may be we will get it next update! :) We are 3 
that we know, so lets be more and make it happen!!!


Best, Daniela


> El 26 may 2019, a las 13:57, B G  escribió:
> 
> 'Was thinking wouldn't it be nice (sounds like the Beach Boys number) *smile*
> Wouldn't it be nice if one also had the on-screen Braille keypad on
> Mac OS VO? It would be accessible on the trackpad, and you'd be able
> to enter text, programming code i.a. in contracted Braille.
> There we are, thought I'd share that with you.
> Ben
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