date:20190924

No automatic updates was on,

But I thought you still had to say yes to the update starting.

Hell I could have done it and fallen asleep 2 seconds later.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Wednesday, 25 September 2019 5:53 PM
To: Visionaries Mac Visionaries 
Subject: Re: iPad OS 13.1 release

Hmm. If automatic updates had been turned off I have no idea why that happened 
to your iPad.

Am 25.09.2019 um 07:50 schrieb Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>>:

Not on the ipad,

At least not that I can remember,

I’m positive it was running 12.4.1 before

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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Sent: Wednesday, 25 September 2019 4:30 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPad OS 13.1 release

Same happened on my iPad. But I was a beta tester and so it might be because of 
this. Have you been a beta tester as well?

Von meinem iPad Pro gesendet

Am 25.09.2019 um 01:37 schrieb Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>>:

Not sure but it turns out that when I opened my ipad  smart keyboard this 
morning it said it had done the install,

I don’t remember telling it to do it,

But that was after 10  am my time which is Wednesday 25th here.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
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Sent: Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:09 AM
To: Visionaries Mac Visionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: iPad OS 13.1 release

Wasn’t it normally at 10 am east Pacific time like the Keynotes as wel?

Am 24.09.2019 um 14:01 schrieb Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>>:

Hi Lists,

At what point on the 24th is the release of iPadOS 13.1 and I thought the IOS 
13.1 update to be released?

I know there is a number of time zones in the USA but all of them now should be 
in the 24th September
Has anyone seen these production releases as yet?

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Re: iPad OS 13.1 release

2019-09-24 Thread Jürgen Fleger

Hmm. If automatic updates had been turned off I have no idea why that happened 
to your iPad.


> Am 25.09.2019 um 07:50 schrieb Simon A Fogarty :
> 
> Not on the ipad,
>  
> At least not that I can remember,
>  
> I’m positive it was running 12.4.1 before  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Jürgen Fleger
> Sent: Wednesday, 25 September 2019 4:30 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPad OS 13.1 release
>  
> Same happened on my iPad. But I was a beta tester and so it might be because 
> of this. Have you been a beta tester as well?
>  
> 
> Von meinem iPad Pro gesendet
> 
> 
> Am 25.09.2019 um 01:37 schrieb Simon A Fogarty  >:
> 
>  
> Not sure but it turns out that when I opened my ipad  smart keyboard this 
> morning it said it had done the install,
>  
> I don’t remember telling it to do it,
>  
> But that was after 10  am my time which is Wednesday 25th here.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>   > On Behalf Of Jürgen Fleger
> Sent: Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:09 AM
> To: Visionaries Mac Visionaries  >
> Subject: Re: iPad OS 13.1 release
>  
> Wasn’t it normally at 10 am east Pacific time like the Keynotes as wel?
>  
> 
> 
> 
> Am 24.09.2019 um 14:01 schrieb Simon A Fogarty  >:
>  
> Hi Lists,
>  
> At what point on the 24th is the release of iPadOS 13.1 and I thought the IOS 
> 13.1 update to be released?
>  
> I know there is a number of time zones in the USA but all of them now should 
> be in the 24th September
> Has anyone seen these production releases as yet? 
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RE: iPad OS 13.1 release

Not on the ipad,

At least not that I can remember,

I’m positive it was running 12.4.1 before

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Wednesday, 25 September 2019 4:30 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPad OS 13.1 release

Same happened on my iPad. But I was a beta tester and so it might be because of 
this. Have you been a beta tester as well?

Von meinem iPad Pro gesendet

Am 25.09.2019 um 01:37 schrieb Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>>:

Not sure but it turns out that when I opened my ipad  smart keyboard this 
morning it said it had done the install,

I don’t remember telling it to do it,

But that was after 10  am my time which is Wednesday 25th here.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Jürgen Fleger
Sent: Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:09 AM
To: Visionaries Mac Visionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: iPad OS 13.1 release

Wasn’t it normally at 10 am east Pacific time like the Keynotes as wel?

Am 24.09.2019 um 14:01 schrieb Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>>:

Hi Lists,

At what point on the 24th is the release of iPadOS 13.1 and I thought the IOS 
13.1 update to be released?

I know there is a number of time zones in the USA but all of them now should be 
in the 24th September
Has anyone seen these production releases as yet?

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RE: Text based resource for iOS 13 from a blindness perspective

Hi petrus,

That’s really weird,

I’ll have a play with it here and see what I find,

Does it change at all if you turn your phone in to landscape mode rather than 
portrait

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Sent: Wednesday, 25 September 2019 1:32 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Text based resource for iOS 13 from a blindness perspective

Hi Simon,
Nope, nothing I tried worked. Not sure why I always have so much trouble with 
the native books app on the iPhone. I know all of the navigation gestures like 
the two finger swipe and they all work  fine when I’m reading emails, texts and 
Safari or any other application where one is reading text. But the books app 
has always been problematic.


On 25/09/2019, at 12:03, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi petrus,

There is a lets say tab for book marking the page your on,

The page or book is in the next tab to the right if you swipe right.

It should be headed at the title as what is new in ios 13.

If you use your Table of contents to find the page wanting, and select that,

Then go back to the  t ab with the document in it and so long as it is on the 
correct page you should be able to swipe 2  fingers down the screen to get 
voiceover reading the book out from that point and it should keep continuously 
read it.

From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.commailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
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Sent: Wednesday, 25 September 2019 7:46 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Text based resource for iOS 13 from a blindness perspective

Hi,
This is going to sound silly as I must be doing something wrong. I like to 
think of myself as pretty good as far as using IOS and voice over on the 
iPhone. But I’ve always had trouble reading text based books in the books App. 
I downloaded the iPhone user guide for IOS 13 and found the paragraph regarding 
accessibility and jumped to page 800 and something, but I can only get 
voiceover to read the first page of that section. How do I get it to read the 
entire paragraph? I’m still on IOS  12.4.1 as I’ll update tonight when my wife 
is home. I always like to have some working eyes around before I start the 
update, not that I’ve ever had any problems with updates before. So I might get 
better luck reading the user guide after I update.



On 25/09/2019, at 04:49, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

Have you looked in the Apple Book Store.  Apple has an iPhone user Guide for 
iOS 13.  It would have all the VoiceOver stuff under the Accessibility section. 
 These books are automatically updated as the iOS is updated.  It is in the 
store now.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 24, 2019, at 09:47, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I am one of those folks who vastly prefers text based resources for learning 
rather than Podcasts. I find that much more efficient, especially when it comes 
to needing to refer to something that you’ve already read and forgotten. So, I 
am wondering if there is going to be a text based resource this year for iOS 
13. Jonathan Mosen used to do an excellent one, but he’s not doing it anymore.

I know a couple of folks have done text based resources, and Anna, who is one 
of them, is on at least some of the list where I’m sending this message. The 
thing I liked about Jonathan‘s book was that it came out when you needed it, 
simultaneously with the upgrade. So I’m wondering if anybody knows whether 
Anna‘s book or perhaps Shelly’s book are going to be released in the near 
future. Hoping for something besides podcasts, please!
Mary


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Re: iPad OS 13.1 release

2019-09-24 Thread Jürgen Fleger

Same happened on my iPad. But I was a beta tester and so it might be because of 
this. Have you been a beta tester as well?


Von meinem iPad Pro gesendet

> Am 25.09.2019 um 01:37 schrieb Simon A Fogarty :
> 
> 
> Not sure but it turns out that when I opened my ipad  smart keyboard this 
> morning it said it had done the install,
>  
> I don’t remember telling it to do it,
>  
> But that was after 10  am my time which is Wednesday 25th here.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Jürgen Fleger
> Sent: Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:09 AM
> To: Visionaries Mac Visionaries 
> Subject: Re: iPad OS 13.1 release
>  
> Wasn’t it normally at 10 am east Pacific time like the Keynotes as wel?
>  
> 
> 
> Am 24.09.2019 um 14:01 schrieb Simon A Fogarty :
>  
> Hi Lists,
>  
> At what point on the 24th is the release of iPadOS 13.1 and I thought the IOS 
> 13.1 update to be released?
>  
> I know there is a number of time zones in the USA but all of them now should 
> be in the 24th September
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Re: Text based resource for iOS 13 from a blindness perspective and voice dream

Okay, I had the reading now tab selected and the first book in the list was the 
IOS 13 one. I swiped across until I found the button labeled “more Actions” and 
double tapped on that. There was a share option in there and I swiped past the 
options to use air drop or email, or text and so on and found a button that 
said; save to voice dream reader or something like that.
Hope this worked for you as well.  

> On 25/09/2019, at 12:33, 'Candie Stiles' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I would like to know how you saved the book invoice dream as well. I tried 
> doing that myself and couldn’t figure it out. Please let us know.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 7:23 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I have had decent luck with the Books app on my phone, although I don’t use 
>> it much, since these days, kindle books tend to be cheaper. But I do want to 
>> know how you saved that book to read an invoice dream.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 2:55 PM, Petrus Tuerlings > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Well that is a bit sad. I managed to save the user guide for IOS 13 to 
>>> voice dream reader. When one finds it easier to read a book published by 
>>> Apple on a third party app as apposed to  their own app it is a bit sad. 
>>> But at least I can read it now. 
>>> However I should feed the cat first before she beats me up as it is a bit 
>>> hard  to read while getting scratched. 
>>> 
 On 25/09/2019, at 09:13, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 When focus is on the textual area, do a three-finger swipe from right to 
 left like you were turning a page in a book.  This will take you to the 
 next page, and it will start reading that next page.  Not a continuous 
 thing, but at least should get you further along than you've been getting.
 
 Later...
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Jamf Certified Associate
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Sep 24, 2019, at 14:49, Petrus Tuerlings >>> > wrote:
 
 Sorry, done that too. The books app is totally hopeless fore reading text 
 based books. It keeps freezing up and I just can not get it to read past 
 the first page of whatever section I’m trying to read. I’ve even lost the 
 button where I can check all the sections and choose one. Hopefully it’ll 
 work better when I update too IOS 13.  I find it really good fore reading 
 audio books and have always found it hopeless for text books.
 
> On 25/09/2019, at 08:38, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Try the two-finger swipe up then.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 24, 2019, at 14:07, Petrus Tuerlings  > wrote:
> 
> Yes, that is what I’m doing and it is only reading the first page of that 
> section and not reading any more. The books app is the only place I’ve 
> ever had this problem.
> 
>> On 25/09/2019, at 07:49, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Once you're in the section where the actual text is, swipe down with two 
>> fingers.  It should read that page, flip to the next and continue on.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Jamf Certified Associate
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 13:46, Petrus Tuerlings > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> This is going to sound silly as I must be doing something wrong. I like 
>> to think of myself as pretty good as far as using IOS and voice over on 
>> the iPhone. But I’ve always had trouble reading text based books in the 
>> books App. I downloaded the iPhone user guide for IOS 13 and found the 
>> paragraph regarding accessibility and jumped to page 800 and something, 
>> but I can only get voiceover to read the first page of that section. How 
>> do I get it to read the entire paragraph? I’m still on IOS  12.4.1 as 
>> I’ll update tonight when my wife is home. I always like to have some 
>> working eyes around before I start the update, not that I’ve ever had 
>> any problems with updates before. So I might get better luck reading the 
>> user guide after I update. 
>> 
>>> On 25/09/2019, at 04:49, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Have you looked in the

Re: Text based resource for iOS 13 from a blindness perspective

Hi Simon,
Nope, nothing I tried worked. Not sure why I always have so much trouble with 
the native books app on the iPhone. I know all of the navigation gestures like 
the two finger swipe and they all work  fine when I’m reading emails, texts and 
Safari or any other application where one is reading text. But the books app 
has always been problematic.

> On 25/09/2019, at 12:03, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi petrus,
>  
> There is a lets say tab for book marking the page your on,
>  
> The page or book is in the next tab to the right if you swipe right.
>  
> It should be headed at the title as what is new in ios 13.
>  
> If you use your Table of contents to find the page wanting, and select that,
>  
> Then go back to the  t ab with the document in it and so long as it is on the 
> correct page you should be able to swipe 2  fingers down the screen to get 
> voiceover reading the book out from that point and it should keep 
> continuously read it.
>  
> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  > On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Wednesday, 25 September 2019 7:46 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Text based resource for iOS 13 from a blindness perspective
>  
> Hi,
> This is going to sound silly as I must be doing something wrong. I like to 
> think of myself as pretty good as far as using IOS and voice over on the 
> iPhone. But I’ve always had trouble reading text based books in the books 
> App. I downloaded the iPhone user guide for IOS 13 and found the paragraph 
> regarding accessibility and jumped to page 800 and something, but I can only 
> get voiceover to read the first page of that section. How do I get it to read 
> the entire paragraph? I’m still on IOS  12.4.1 as I’ll update tonight when my 
> wife is home. I always like to have some working eyes around before I start 
> the update, not that I’ve ever had any problems with updates before. So I 
> might get better luck reading the user guide after I update. 
> 
> 
> On 25/09/2019, at 04:49, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> Hi,
>  
> Have you looked in the Apple Book Store.  Apple has an iPhone user Guide for 
> iOS 13.  It would have all the VoiceOver stuff under the Accessibility 
> section.  These books are automatically updated as the iOS is updated.  It is 
> in the store now.
>  
> Later...
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>  
> On Sep 24, 2019, at 09:47, Mary Otten  > wrote:
>  
> I am one of those folks who vastly prefers text based resources for learning 
> rather than Podcasts. I find that much more efficient, especially when it 
> comes to needing to refer to something that you’ve already read and 
> forgotten. So, I am wondering if there is going to be a text based resource 
> this year for iOS 13. Jonathan Mosen used to do an excellent one, but he’s 
> not doing it anymore.
> 
> I know a couple of folks have done text based resources, and Anna, who is one 
> of them, is on at least some of the list where I’m sending this message. The 
> thing I liked about Jonathan‘s book was that it came out when you needed it, 
> simultaneously with the upgrade. So I’m wondering if anybody knows whether 
> Anna‘s book or perhaps Shelly’s book are going to be released in the near 
> future. Hoping for something besides podcasts, please!
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Text based resource for iOS 13 from a blindness perspective and voice dream

2019-09-24 Thread 'Candie Stiles' via MacVisionaries

I would like to know how you saved the book invoice dream as well. I tried 
doing that myself and couldn’t figure it out. Please let us know.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 24, 2019, at 7:23 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> 
> I have had decent luck with the Books app on my phone, although I don’t use 
> it much, since these days, kindle books tend to be cheaper. But I do want to 
> know how you saved that book to read an invoice dream.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 2:55 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
>> 
>> Well that is a bit sad. I managed to save the user guide for IOS 13 to voice 
>> dream reader. When one finds it easier to read a book published by Apple on 
>> a third party app as apposed to  their own app it is a bit sad. But at least 
>> I can read it now. 
>> However I should feed the cat first before she beats me up as it is a bit 
>> hard  to read while getting scratched. 
>> 
>>> On 25/09/2019, at 09:13, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> When focus is on the textual area, do a three-finger swipe from right to 
>>> left like you were turning a page in a book.  This will take you to the 
>>> next page, and it will start reading that next page.  Not a continuous 
>>> thing, but at least should get you further along than you've been getting.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Jamf Certified Associate
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 14:49, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sorry, done that too. The books app is totally hopeless fore reading text 
>>> based books. It keeps freezing up and I just can not get it to read past 
>>> the first page of whatever section I’m trying to read. I’ve even lost the 
>>> button where I can check all the sections and choose one. Hopefully it’ll 
>>> work better when I update too IOS 13.  I find it really good fore reading 
>>> audio books and have always found it hopeless for text books.
>>> 
 On 25/09/2019, at 08:38, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Try the two-finger swipe up then.
 
 Later...
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Jamf Certified Associate
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Sep 24, 2019, at 14:07, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
 
 Yes, that is what I’m doing and it is only reading the first page of that 
 section and not reading any more. The books app is the only place I’ve 
 ever had this problem.
 
> On 25/09/2019, at 07:49, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Once you're in the section where the actual text is, swipe down with two 
> fingers.  It should read that page, flip to the next and continue on.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 24, 2019, at 13:46, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> This is going to sound silly as I must be doing something wrong. I like 
> to think of myself as pretty good as far as using IOS and voice over on 
> the iPhone. But I’ve always had trouble reading text based books in the 
> books App. I downloaded the iPhone user guide for IOS 13 and found the 
> paragraph regarding accessibility and jumped to page 800 and something, 
> but I can only get voiceover to read the first page of that section. How 
> do I get it to read the entire paragraph? I’m still on IOS  12.4.1 as 
> I’ll update tonight when my wife is home. I always like to have some 
> working eyes around before I start the update, not that I’ve ever had any 
> problems with updates before. So I might get better luck reading the user 
> guide after I update. 
> 
>> On 25/09/2019, at 04:49, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Have you looked in the Apple Book Store.  Apple has an iPhone user Guide 
>> for iOS 13.  It would have all the VoiceOver stuff under the 
>> Accessibility section.  These books are automatically updated as the iOS 
>> is updated.  It is in the store now.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Jamf Certified Associate
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 09:47, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I am one of those folks who vastly prefers text based resources for 
>> learning rather than Podcasts. I find that much more efficient, 
>> especially when it comes to needing to refer to something that you’ve 
>> already read and forgotten. So, I am wondering if there is going to be a 
>> text based resource this year for iOS 13. Jonathan Mosen used to do an 
>> excellent one, but he’s not doing it

Re: Text based resource for iOS 13 from a blindness perspective and voice dream

2019-09-24 Thread Mary Otten

I have had decent luck with the Books app on my phone, although I don’t use it 
much, since these days, kindle books tend to be cheaper. But I do want to know 
how you saved that book to read an invoice dream.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 24, 2019, at 2:55 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
> 
> Well that is a bit sad. I managed to save the user guide for IOS 13 to voice 
> dream reader. When one finds it easier to read a book published by Apple on a 
> third party app as apposed to  their own app it is a bit sad. But at least I 
> can read it now. 
> However I should feed the cat first before she beats me up as it is a bit 
> hard  to read while getting scratched. 
> 
>> On 25/09/2019, at 09:13, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> When focus is on the textual area, do a three-finger swipe from right to 
>> left like you were turning a page in a book.  This will take you to the next 
>> page, and it will start reading that next page.  Not a continuous thing, but 
>> at least should get you further along than you've been getting.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Jamf Certified Associate
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 14:49, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry, done that too. The books app is totally hopeless fore reading text 
>> based books. It keeps freezing up and I just can not get it to read past the 
>> first page of whatever section I’m trying to read. I’ve even lost the button 
>> where I can check all the sections and choose one. Hopefully it’ll work 
>> better when I update too IOS 13.  I find it really good fore reading audio 
>> books and have always found it hopeless for text books.
>> 
>>> On 25/09/2019, at 08:38, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Try the two-finger swipe up then.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Jamf Certified Associate
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 14:07, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, that is what I’m doing and it is only reading the first page of that 
>>> section and not reading any more. The books app is the only place I’ve ever 
>>> had this problem.
>>> 
 On 25/09/2019, at 07:49, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Once you're in the section where the actual text is, swipe down with two 
 fingers.  It should read that page, flip to the next and continue on.
 
 Later...
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Jamf Certified Associate
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Sep 24, 2019, at 13:46, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 This is going to sound silly as I must be doing something wrong. I like to 
 think of myself as pretty good as far as using IOS and voice over on the 
 iPhone. But I’ve always had trouble reading text based books in the books 
 App. I downloaded the iPhone user guide for IOS 13 and found the paragraph 
 regarding accessibility and jumped to page 800 and something, but I can 
 only get voiceover to read the first page of that section. How do I get it 
 to read the entire paragraph? I’m still on IOS  12.4.1 as I’ll update 
 tonight when my wife is home. I always like to have some working eyes 
 around before I start the update, not that I’ve ever had any problems with 
 updates before. So I might get better luck reading the user guide after I 
 update. 
 
> On 25/09/2019, at 04:49, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Have you looked in the Apple Book Store.  Apple has an iPhone user Guide 
> for iOS 13.  It would have all the VoiceOver stuff under the 
> Accessibility section.  These books are automatically updated as the iOS 
> is updated.  It is in the store now.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 24, 2019, at 09:47, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I am one of those folks who vastly prefers text based resources for 
> learning rather than Podcasts. I find that much more efficient, 
> especially when it comes to needing to refer to something that you’ve 
> already read and forgotten. So, I am wondering if there is going to be a 
> text based resource this year for iOS 13. Jonathan Mosen used to do an 
> excellent one, but he’s not doing it anymore.
> 
> I know a couple of folks have done text based resources, and Anna, who is 
> one of them, is on at least some of the list where I’m sending this 
> message. The thing I liked about Jonathan‘s book was that it came out 
> when you needed it, simultaneously with the upgrade. So I’m wondering if 
> anybody knows

RE: Text based resource for iOS 13 from a blindness perspective

Petrus,

You should need to change anything,

I never have and it seems to work for me.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Wednesday, 25 September 2019 9:23 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Text based resource for iOS 13 from a blindness perspective

Thanks I’ll  try that next. I did look in the phone settings and found the 
books app.  I opened that and under the reading heading it had a button labeled 
“full justification” and it was off. Should this be on?Auto hyphenation was on, 
and “both margins advance” was off. Do I need to change any of these settings?

On 25/09/2019, at 09:13, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

When focus is on the textual area, do a three-finger swipe from right to left 
like you were turning a page in a book.  This will take you to the next page, 
and it will start reading that next page.  Not a continuous thing, but at least 
should get you further along than you've been getting.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 24, 2019, at 14:49, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Sorry, done that too. The books app is totally hopeless fore reading text based 
books. It keeps freezing up and I just can not get it to read past the first 
page of whatever section I’m trying to read. I’ve even lost the button where I 
can check all the sections and choose one. Hopefully it’ll work better when I 
update too IOS 13.  I find it really good fore reading audio books and have 
always found it hopeless for text books.

On 25/09/2019, at 08:38, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

Try the two-finger swipe up then.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 24, 2019, at 14:07, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Yes, that is what I’m doing and it is only reading the first page of that 
section and not reading any more. The books app is the only place I’ve ever had 
this problem.

On 25/09/2019, at 07:49, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

Once you're in the section where the actual text is, swipe down with two 
fingers.  It should read that page, flip to the next and continue on.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 24, 2019, at 13:46, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi,
This is going to sound silly as I must be doing something wrong. I like to 
think of myself as pretty good as far as using IOS and voice over on the 
iPhone. But I’ve always had trouble reading text based books in the books App. 
I downloaded the iPhone user guide for IOS 13 and found the paragraph regarding 
accessibility and jumped to page 800 and something, but I can only get 
voiceover to read the first page of that section. How do I get it to read the 
entire paragraph? I’m still on IOS  12.4.1 as I’ll update tonight when my wife 
is home. I always like to have some working eyes around before I start the 
update, not that I’ve ever had any problems with updates before. So I might get 
better luck reading the user guide after I update.

On 25/09/2019, at 04:49, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

Have you looked in the Apple Book Store.  Apple has an iPhone user Guide for 
iOS 13.  It would have all the VoiceOver stuff under the Accessibility section. 
 These books are automatically updated as the iOS is updated.  It is in the 
store now.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 24, 2019, at 09:47, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I am one of those folks who vastly prefers text based resources for learning 
rather than Podcasts. I find that much more efficient, especially when it comes 
to needing to refer to something that you’ve already read and forgotten. So, I 
am wondering if there is going to be a text based resource this year for iOS 
13. Jonathan Mosen used to do an excellent one, but he’s not doing it anymore.

I know a couple of folks have done text based resources, and Anna, who is one 
of them, is on at least some of the list where I’m sending this message. The 
thing I liked about Jonathan‘s book was that it came out when you needed it, 
simultaneously with the upgrade. So I’m wondering if anybody knows whether 
Anna‘s book or perhaps Shelly’s book are going to be released in the near 
future. Hoping for something besides podcasts, please!
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Text based resource for iOS 13 from a blindness perspective

Petrus,

What if you go back to the previous chapter or even page and then start reading 
forward again?

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Wednesday, 25 September 2019 8:08 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Text based resource for iOS 13 from a blindness perspective

Yes, that is what I’m doing and it is only reading the first page of that 
section and not reading any more. The books app is the only place I’ve ever had 
this problem.

On 25/09/2019, at 07:49, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

Once you're in the section where the actual text is, swipe down with two 
fingers.  It should read that page, flip to the next and continue on.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 24, 2019, at 13:46, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi,
This is going to sound silly as I must be doing something wrong. I like to 
think of myself as pretty good as far as using IOS and voice over on the 
iPhone. But I’ve always had trouble reading text based books in the books App. 
I downloaded the iPhone user guide for IOS 13 and found the paragraph regarding 
accessibility and jumped to page 800 and something, but I can only get 
voiceover to read the first page of that section. How do I get it to read the 
entire paragraph? I’m still on IOS  12.4.1 as I’ll update tonight when my wife 
is home. I always like to have some working eyes around before I start the 
update, not that I’ve ever had any problems with updates before. So I might get 
better luck reading the user guide after I update.

On 25/09/2019, at 04:49, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

Have you looked in the Apple Book Store.  Apple has an iPhone user Guide for 
iOS 13.  It would have all the VoiceOver stuff under the Accessibility section. 
 These books are automatically updated as the iOS is updated.  It is in the 
store now.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 24, 2019, at 09:47, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I am one of those folks who vastly prefers text based resources for learning 
rather than Podcasts. I find that much more efficient, especially when it comes 
to needing to refer to something that you’ve already read and forgotten. So, I 
am wondering if there is going to be a text based resource this year for iOS 
13. Jonathan Mosen used to do an excellent one, but he’s not doing it anymore.

I know a couple of folks have done text based resources, and Anna, who is one 
of them, is on at least some of the list where I’m sending this message. The 
thing I liked about Jonathan‘s book was that it came out when you needed it, 
simultaneously with the upgrade. So I’m wondering if anybody knows whether 
Anna‘s book or perhaps Shelly’s book are going to be released in the near 
future. Hoping for something besides podcasts, please!
Mary

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Re: Turning Off Quick Nav in Safari Form Fields

Very much like quicknav in JAWS / NVDA. H for headers G for graphics, f for 
text input fields, j for controls.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Sep 24, 2019, at 3:36 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> how does single key navigation work?
> 
>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 7:56 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>>  It’s probably that you turn the single key Quick Nav on or off as well. 
>> VO-q will toggle the single key navigation.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>> 
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 12:01 AM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I do the very same thing all the time and it would be really nice if there 
>>> was a setting for that.
>>> 
 On Sep 23, 2019, at 10:57 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
 
 Here’s something that really bugs me. I use quick nav (left+right arrow 
 keys) in Safari to move around quickly. Good. But when I land on a form 
 field where I need to type, I always forget to turn quick nav off and go 
 off in the weeds while typing. Then after I fix that, I forget to turn 
 quick nav back on. It’s a bit irritating to have to switch in off and on 
 constantly. Is there any setting that will automatically disable quick nav 
 when there’s a form field in focus? Sort of like the auto forms mode in 
 JAWS.
 
 Dave Carlson
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RE: Text based resource for iOS 13 from a blindness perspective

Hi petrus,

There is a lets say tab for book marking the page your on,

The page or book is in the next tab to the right if you swipe right.

It should be headed at the title as what is new in ios 13.

If you use your Table of contents to find the page wanting, and select that,

Then go back to the  t ab with the document in it and so long as it is on the 
correct page you should be able to swipe 2  fingers down the screen to get 
voiceover reading the book out from that point and it should keep continuously 
read it.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Wednesday, 25 September 2019 7:46 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Text based resource for iOS 13 from a blindness perspective

Hi,
This is going to sound silly as I must be doing something wrong. I like to 
think of myself as pretty good as far as using IOS and voice over on the 
iPhone. But I’ve always had trouble reading text based books in the books App. 
I downloaded the iPhone user guide for IOS 13 and found the paragraph regarding 
accessibility and jumped to page 800 and something, but I can only get 
voiceover to read the first page of that section. How do I get it to read the 
entire paragraph? I’m still on IOS  12.4.1 as I’ll update tonight when my wife 
is home. I always like to have some working eyes around before I start the 
update, not that I’ve ever had any problems with updates before. So I might get 
better luck reading the user guide after I update.


On 25/09/2019, at 04:49, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

Have you looked in the Apple Book Store.  Apple has an iPhone user Guide for 
iOS 13.  It would have all the VoiceOver stuff under the Accessibility section. 
 These books are automatically updated as the iOS is updated.  It is in the 
store now.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 24, 2019, at 09:47, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I am one of those folks who vastly prefers text based resources for learning 
rather than Podcasts. I find that much more efficient, especially when it comes 
to needing to refer to something that you’ve already read and forgotten. So, I 
am wondering if there is going to be a text based resource this year for iOS 
13. Jonathan Mosen used to do an excellent one, but he’s not doing it anymore.

I know a couple of folks have done text based resources, and Anna, who is one 
of them, is on at least some of the list where I’m sending this message. The 
thing I liked about Jonathan‘s book was that it came out when you needed it, 
simultaneously with the upgrade. So I’m wondering if anybody knows whether 
Anna‘s book or perhaps Shelly’s book are going to be released in the near 
future. Hoping for something besides podcasts, please!
Mary


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Re: For thos who don't wish to update to iOS 13 yet

2019-09-24 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries

Uh huh. (smiles) I just installed it and spend tomorrow with it.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 9/24/2019 4:38 PM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
I haven’t had a chance to play with iPad OS yet but it can’t be to muchj
difference to what it was surely,

Someone would have leaked it if it was a major change.

*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
*On Behalf Of *Anders Holmberg

*Sent:* Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:29 AM
*To:* 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
*Subject:* Re: For thos who don't wish to update to iOS 13 yet

Hi!

To be honest i don’t see the reason not to Update.

But if people ar willing to take the security risks not to update then
its their choice.

22 sep. 2019 kl. 11:02 skrev 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:

Hi,

Just seen this post on another group posted for those of us who do
not wish to upgrade to iOS 13 because of possible bugs. I’m pasting
the crucial bit below.

"With iOS 13 coming out and lots of us not wanting to download it
because of the multiple voiceover bugs, may I take this opportunity
to warn you of apples rather sneaky way of overriding your settings
to install updates when you don't want them.

If you go into settings, general, software update, you'll find a
button to turn off automatic software updates. Go ahead and switch
that to off, but be aware that it may not stop the update from being
installed. There's another step you will probably need to take.
You may find a dialogue popping up sometime in the next few days
asking if you want to install iOS 13. The two options you'll be
given are "install now" or "later". You'll assume you need to choose
"later", since you don't want the update at all, and then you'll be
asked to enter your passcode. At this point, the phone is ready to
install the update, despite the fact that you have auto update set
to off, and it will do it sometime in the couple of days after
you've seen the dialogue come up.
So, when the dialog has appeared and you've chosen the later option,
go back into settings, general, software update and you'll see
another button has appeared, called "Cancel auto install" or
something like that. You need to double tap that button to stop the
phone doing the update automatically. And all of this happens even
though you've got your auto update set to off. Apple sure are keen
to get us updating.*”*

*Andrew*

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RE: For thos who don't wish to update to iOS 13 yet

I haven’t had a chance to play with iPad OS yet but it can’t be to muchj 
difference to what it was surely,

Someone would have leaked it if it was a major change.
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:29 AM
To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: For thos who don't wish to update to iOS 13 yet

Hi!
To be honest i don’t see the reason not to Update.
But if people ar willing to take the security risks not to update then its 
their choice.
/A

22 sep. 2019 kl. 11:02 skrev 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:

Hi,

Just seen this post on another group posted for those of us who do not wish to 
upgrade to iOS 13 because of possible bugs. I’m pasting the crucial bit below.

"With iOS 13 coming out and lots of us not wanting to download it because of 
the multiple voiceover bugs, may I take this opportunity to warn you of apples 
rather sneaky way of overriding your settings to install updates when you don't 
want them.
If you go into settings, general, software update, you'll find a button to turn 
off automatic software updates. Go ahead and switch that to off, but be aware 
that it may not stop the update from being installed. There's another step you 
will probably need to take.
You may find a dialogue popping up sometime in the next few days asking if you 
want to install iOS 13. The two options you'll be given are "install now" or 
"later". You'll assume you need to choose "later", since you don't want the 
update at all, and then you'll be asked to enter your passcode. At this point, 
the phone is ready to install the update, despite the fact that you have auto 
update set to off, and it will do it sometime in the couple of days after 
you've seen the dialogue come up.
So, when the dialog has appeared and you've chosen the later option, go back 
into settings, general, software update and you'll see another button has 
appeared, called "Cancel auto install" or something like that. You need to 
double tap that button to stop the phone doing the update automatically. And 
all of this happens even though you've got your auto update set to off. Apple 
sure are keen to get us updating.”

Andrew

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RE: iPad OS 13.1 release

Not sure but it turns out that when I opened my ipad  smart keyboard this 
morning it said it had done the install,

I don’t remember telling it to do it,

But that was after 10  am my time which is Wednesday 25th here.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Jürgen Fleger
Sent: Wednesday, 25 September 2019 12:09 AM
To: Visionaries Mac Visionaries 
Subject: Re: iPad OS 13.1 release

Wasn’t it normally at 10 am east Pacific time like the Keynotes as wel?



Am 24.09.2019 um 14:01 schrieb Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>>:

Hi Lists,

At what point on the 24th is the release of iPadOS 13.1 and I thought the IOS 
13.1 update to be released?

I know there is a number of time zones in the USA but all of them now should be 
in the 24th September
Has anyone seen these production releases as yet?

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Using voice control to enter a passcode

2019-09-24 Thread Mary Otten

I understand that voice control does not have the blind and visually impaired 
as its primary audience. However, a friend of mine has upgraded his phone and 
was playing around with voice control and rather likes it. This raised the 
question of whether it is possible to enter a passcode to open your phone using 
voice control. He was trying to enter it using his finger to type the numbers, 
and voiceover said that it was the wrong passcode. That was because other 
numbers then when he was typing were being entered because he had voice control 
on. He has a six digit passcode. But he was getting notices that after four 
numbers, he had the wrong passcode entered. So, I wonder if it is possible to 
simply dictate the passcode if you have a voice control on. He did try it by 
simply saying his passcode numbers one after the other, but that apparently 
didn’t do anything. So he turned voice control off, and was able to enter his 
code. Still, if you were in the right environment where you did not care if 
anyone overheard you, saying the numbers would be cool. Plus, I would think 
this would be a really good thing for the primary audience for whom voice 
control is intended, that is, people who can’t really use the touchscreen well. 
Wouldn’t you want a way to be able to enter your voice code using voice control?
Mary


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Re: Text based resource for iOS 13 from a blindness perspective and voice dream

Well that is a bit sad. I managed to save the user guide for IOS 13 to voice 
dream reader. When one finds it easier to read a book published by Apple on a 
third party app as apposed to  their own app it is a bit sad. But at least I 
can read it now. 
However I should feed the cat first before she beats me up as it is a bit hard  
to read while getting scratched. 

> On 25/09/2019, at 09:13, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> When focus is on the textual area, do a three-finger swipe from right to left 
> like you were turning a page in a book.  This will take you to the next page, 
> and it will start reading that next page.  Not a continuous thing, but at 
> least should get you further along than you've been getting.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 24, 2019, at 14:49, Petrus Tuerlings  > wrote:
> 
> Sorry, done that too. The books app is totally hopeless fore reading text 
> based books. It keeps freezing up and I just can not get it to read past the 
> first page of whatever section I’m trying to read. I’ve even lost the button 
> where I can check all the sections and choose one. Hopefully it’ll work 
> better when I update too IOS 13.  I find it really good fore reading audio 
> books and have always found it hopeless for text books.
> 
>> On 25/09/2019, at 08:38, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Try the two-finger swipe up then.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Jamf Certified Associate
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 14:07, Petrus Tuerlings > > wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, that is what I’m doing and it is only reading the first page of that 
>> section and not reading any more. The books app is the only place I’ve ever 
>> had this problem.
>> 
>>> On 25/09/2019, at 07:49, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Once you're in the section where the actual text is, swipe down with two 
>>> fingers.  It should read that page, flip to the next and continue on.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Jamf Certified Associate
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 13:46, Petrus Tuerlings >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> This is going to sound silly as I must be doing something wrong. I like to 
>>> think of myself as pretty good as far as using IOS and voice over on the 
>>> iPhone. But I’ve always had trouble reading text based books in the books 
>>> App. I downloaded the iPhone user guide for IOS 13 and found the paragraph 
>>> regarding accessibility and jumped to page 800 and something, but I can 
>>> only get voiceover to read the first page of that section. How do I get it 
>>> to read the entire paragraph? I’m still on IOS  12.4.1 as I’ll update 
>>> tonight when my wife is home. I always like to have some working eyes 
>>> around before I start the update, not that I’ve ever had any problems with 
>>> updates before. So I might get better luck reading the user guide after I 
>>> update. 
>>> 
 On 25/09/2019, at 04:49, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:

 Hi,

 Have you looked in the Apple Book Store.  Apple has an iPhone user Guide 
 for iOS 13.  It would have all the VoiceOver stuff under the Accessibility 
 section.  These books are automatically updated as the iOS is updated.  It 
 is in the store now.

 Later...

 Tim Kilburn
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Jamf Certified Associate
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 On Sep 24, 2019, at 09:47, Mary Otten >>> > wrote:

 I am one of those folks who vastly prefers text based resources for 
 learning rather than Podcasts. I find that much more efficient, especially 
 when it comes to needing to refer to something that you’ve already read 
 and forgotten. So, I am wondering if there is going to be a text based 
 resource this year for iOS 13. Jonathan Mosen used to do an excellent one, 
 but he’s not doing it anymore.

 I know a couple of folks have done text based resources, and Anna, who is 
 one of them, is on at least some of the list where I’m sending this 
 message. The thing I liked about Jonathan‘s book was that it came out when 
 you needed it, simultaneously with the upgrade. So I’m wondering if 
 anybody knows whether Anna‘s book or perhaps Shelly’s book are going to be 
 released in the near future. Hoping for something besides podcasts, please!
 Mary

Re: Text based resource for iOS 13 from a blindness perspective

Well that wasn’t very successful either. I did the three finger swipe from 
right to left and it just carried on reading the same text that I know of by 
heart now as I’ve heard it so many times already. It made the correct noise for 
turning the page but it didn’t really work. I’m about to give up and delete 
that user guide from my phone and go back to my usual way of learning the IOS, 
trial and error. 

> On 25/09/2019, at 09:13, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> When focus is on the textual area, do a three-finger swipe from right to left 
> like you were turning a page in a book.  This will take you to the next page, 
> and it will start reading that next page.  Not a continuous thing, but at 
> least should get you further along than you've been getting.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 24, 2019, at 14:49, Petrus Tuerlings  > wrote:
> 
> Sorry, done that too. The books app is totally hopeless fore reading text 
> based books. It keeps freezing up and I just can not get it to read past the 
> first page of whatever section I’m trying to read. I’ve even lost the button 
> where I can check all the sections and choose one. Hopefully it’ll work 
> better when I update too IOS 13.  I find it really good fore reading audio 
> books and have always found it hopeless for text books.
> 
>> On 25/09/2019, at 08:38, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Try the two-finger swipe up then.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Jamf Certified Associate
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 14:07, Petrus Tuerlings > > wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, that is what I’m doing and it is only reading the first page of that 
>> section and not reading any more. The books app is the only place I’ve ever 
>> had this problem.
>> 
>>> On 25/09/2019, at 07:49, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Once you're in the section where the actual text is, swipe down with two 
>>> fingers.  It should read that page, flip to the next and continue on.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Jamf Certified Associate
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 13:46, Petrus Tuerlings >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> This is going to sound silly as I must be doing something wrong. I like to 
>>> think of myself as pretty good as far as using IOS and voice over on the 
>>> iPhone. But I’ve always had trouble reading text based books in the books 
>>> App. I downloaded the iPhone user guide for IOS 13 and found the paragraph 
>>> regarding accessibility and jumped to page 800 and something, but I can 
>>> only get voiceover to read the first page of that section. How do I get it 
>>> to read the entire paragraph? I’m still on IOS  12.4.1 as I’ll update 
>>> tonight when my wife is home. I always like to have some working eyes 
>>> around before I start the update, not that I’ve ever had any problems with 
>>> updates before. So I might get better luck reading the user guide after I 
>>> update. 
>>> 
 On 25/09/2019, at 04:49, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:

 Hi,

 Have you looked in the Apple Book Store.  Apple has an iPhone user Guide 
 for iOS 13.  It would have all the VoiceOver stuff under the Accessibility 
 section.  These books are automatically updated as the iOS is updated.  It 
 is in the store now.

 Later...

 Tim Kilburn
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Jamf Certified Associate
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 On Sep 24, 2019, at 09:47, Mary Otten >>> > wrote:

 I am one of those folks who vastly prefers text based resources for 
 learning rather than Podcasts. I find that much more efficient, especially 
 when it comes to needing to refer to something that you’ve already read 
 and forgotten. So, I am wondering if there is going to be a text based 
 resource this year for iOS 13. Jonathan Mosen used to do an excellent one, 
 but he’s not doing it anymore.

 I know a couple of folks have done text based resources, and Anna, who is 
 one of them, is on at least some of the list where I’m sending this 
 message. The thing I liked about Jonathan‘s book was that it came out when 
 you needed it, simultaneously with the upgrade. So I’m wondering if 
 anybody knows whether Anna‘s book or perhaps Shelly’s book are going to be 
 released in the near future. Hoping for something

Re: Text based resource for iOS 13 from a blindness perspective

Thanks I’ll  try that next. I did look in the phone settings and found the 
books app.  I opened that and under the reading heading it had a button labeled 
“full justification” and it was off. Should this be on?Auto hyphenation was on, 
and “both margins advance” was off. Do I need to change any of these settings?

> On 25/09/2019, at 09:13, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> When focus is on the textual area, do a three-finger swipe from right to left 
> like you were turning a page in a book.  This will take you to the next page, 
> and it will start reading that next page.  Not a continuous thing, but at 
> least should get you further along than you've been getting.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 24, 2019, at 14:49, Petrus Tuerlings  > wrote:
> 
> Sorry, done that too. The books app is totally hopeless fore reading text 
> based books. It keeps freezing up and I just can not get it to read past the 
> first page of whatever section I’m trying to read. I’ve even lost the button 
> where I can check all the sections and choose one. Hopefully it’ll work 
> better when I update too IOS 13.  I find it really good fore reading audio 
> books and have always found it hopeless for text books.
> 
>> On 25/09/2019, at 08:38, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Try the two-finger swipe up then.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Jamf Certified Associate
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 14:07, Petrus Tuerlings > > wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, that is what I’m doing and it is only reading the first page of that 
>> section and not reading any more. The books app is the only place I’ve ever 
>> had this problem.
>> 
>>> On 25/09/2019, at 07:49, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Once you're in the section where the actual text is, swipe down with two 
>>> fingers.  It should read that page, flip to the next and continue on.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Jamf Certified Associate
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 13:46, Petrus Tuerlings >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> This is going to sound silly as I must be doing something wrong. I like to 
>>> think of myself as pretty good as far as using IOS and voice over on the 
>>> iPhone. But I’ve always had trouble reading text based books in the books 
>>> App. I downloaded the iPhone user guide for IOS 13 and found the paragraph 
>>> regarding accessibility and jumped to page 800 and something, but I can 
>>> only get voiceover to read the first page of that section. How do I get it 
>>> to read the entire paragraph? I’m still on IOS  12.4.1 as I’ll update 
>>> tonight when my wife is home. I always like to have some working eyes 
>>> around before I start the update, not that I’ve ever had any problems with 
>>> updates before. So I might get better luck reading the user guide after I 
>>> update. 
>>> 
 On 25/09/2019, at 04:49, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:

 Hi,

 Have you looked in the Apple Book Store.  Apple has an iPhone user Guide 
 for iOS 13.  It would have all the VoiceOver stuff under the Accessibility 
 section.  These books are automatically updated as the iOS is updated.  It 
 is in the store now.

 Later...

 Tim Kilburn
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Jamf Certified Associate
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 On Sep 24, 2019, at 09:47, Mary Otten >>> > wrote:

 I am one of those folks who vastly prefers text based resources for 
 learning rather than Podcasts. I find that much more efficient, especially 
 when it comes to needing to refer to something that you’ve already read 
 and forgotten. So, I am wondering if there is going to be a text based 
 resource this year for iOS 13. Jonathan Mosen used to do an excellent one, 
 but he’s not doing it anymore.

 I know a couple of folks have done text based resources, and Anna, who is 
 one of them, is on at least some of the list where I’m sending this 
 message. The thing I liked about Jonathan‘s book was that it came out when 
 you needed it, simultaneously with the upgrade. So I’m wondering if 
 anybody knows whether Anna‘s book or perhaps Shelly’s book are going to be 
 released in the near future. Hoping for something besides podcasts, please!
 Mary

 Sent from my iPhone

 --

Re: Text based resource for iOS 13 from a blindness perspective

Hi,

When focus is on the textual area, do a three-finger swipe from right to left 
like you were turning a page in a book.  This will take you to the next page, 
and it will start reading that next page.  Not a continuous thing, but at least 
should get you further along than you've been getting.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 24, 2019, at 14:49, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:

Sorry, done that too. The books app is totally hopeless fore reading text based 
books. It keeps freezing up and I just can not get it to read past the first 
page of whatever section I’m trying to read. I’ve even lost the button where I 
can check all the sections and choose one. Hopefully it’ll work better when I 
update too IOS 13.  I find it really good fore reading audio books and have 
always found it hopeless for text books.

> On 25/09/2019, at 08:38, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Try the two-finger swipe up then.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 24, 2019, at 14:07, Petrus Tuerlings  > wrote:
> 
> Yes, that is what I’m doing and it is only reading the first page of that 
> section and not reading any more. The books app is the only place I’ve ever 
> had this problem.
> 
>> On 25/09/2019, at 07:49, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Once you're in the section where the actual text is, swipe down with two 
>> fingers.  It should read that page, flip to the next and continue on.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Jamf Certified Associate
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 13:46, Petrus Tuerlings > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> This is going to sound silly as I must be doing something wrong. I like to 
>> think of myself as pretty good as far as using IOS and voice over on the 
>> iPhone. But I’ve always had trouble reading text based books in the books 
>> App. I downloaded the iPhone user guide for IOS 13 and found the paragraph 
>> regarding accessibility and jumped to page 800 and something, but I can only 
>> get voiceover to read the first page of that section. How do I get it to 
>> read the entire paragraph? I’m still on IOS  12.4.1 as I’ll update tonight 
>> when my wife is home. I always like to have some working eyes around before 
>> I start the update, not that I’ve ever had any problems with updates before. 
>> So I might get better luck reading the user guide after I update. 
>> 
>>> On 25/09/2019, at 04:49, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Have you looked in the Apple Book Store.  Apple has an iPhone user Guide 
>>> for iOS 13.  It would have all the VoiceOver stuff under the Accessibility 
>>> section.  These books are automatically updated as the iOS is updated.  It 
>>> is in the store now.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Jamf Certified Associate
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 09:47, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am one of those folks who vastly prefers text based resources for 
>>> learning rather than Podcasts. I find that much more efficient, especially 
>>> when it comes to needing to refer to something that you’ve already read and 
>>> forgotten. So, I am wondering if there is going to be a text based resource 
>>> this year for iOS 13. Jonathan Mosen used to do an excellent one, but he’s 
>>> not doing it anymore.
>>> 
>>> I know a couple of folks have done text based resources, and Anna, who is 
>>> one of them, is on at least some of the list where I’m sending this 
>>> message. The thing I liked about Jonathan‘s book was that it came out when 
>>> you needed it, simultaneously with the upgrade. So I’m wondering if anybody 
>>> knows whether Anna‘s book or perhaps Shelly’s book are going to be released 
>>> in the near future. Hoping for something besides podcasts, please!
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>>> Visionaries list.
>>> 
>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
>>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>> 
>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at: 
>>>  mk...@ucla.edu  and your owner is Cara Quinn - you 
>>> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com 
>>> 
>>> The

Re: Text based resource for iOS 13 from a blindness perspective

Sorry, done that too. The books app is totally hopeless fore reading text based 
books. It keeps freezing up and I just can not get it to read past the first 
page of whatever section I’m trying to read. I’ve even lost the button where I 
can check all the sections and choose one. Hopefully it’ll work better when I 
update too IOS 13.  I find it really good fore reading audio books and have 
always found it hopeless for text books.

> On 25/09/2019, at 08:38, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Try the two-finger swipe up then.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 24, 2019, at 14:07, Petrus Tuerlings  > wrote:
> 
> Yes, that is what I’m doing and it is only reading the first page of that 
> section and not reading any more. The books app is the only place I’ve ever 
> had this problem.
> 
>> On 25/09/2019, at 07:49, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Once you're in the section where the actual text is, swipe down with two 
>> fingers.  It should read that page, flip to the next and continue on.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Jamf Certified Associate
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 13:46, Petrus Tuerlings > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> This is going to sound silly as I must be doing something wrong. I like to 
>> think of myself as pretty good as far as using IOS and voice over on the 
>> iPhone. But I’ve always had trouble reading text based books in the books 
>> App. I downloaded the iPhone user guide for IOS 13 and found the paragraph 
>> regarding accessibility and jumped to page 800 and something, but I can only 
>> get voiceover to read the first page of that section. How do I get it to 
>> read the entire paragraph? I’m still on IOS  12.4.1 as I’ll update tonight 
>> when my wife is home. I always like to have some working eyes around before 
>> I start the update, not that I’ve ever had any problems with updates before. 
>> So I might get better luck reading the user guide after I update. 
>> 
>>> On 25/09/2019, at 04:49, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Have you looked in the Apple Book Store.  Apple has an iPhone user Guide 
>>> for iOS 13.  It would have all the VoiceOver stuff under the Accessibility 
>>> section.  These books are automatically updated as the iOS is updated.  It 
>>> is in the store now.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Jamf Certified Associate
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 09:47, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am one of those folks who vastly prefers text based resources for 
>>> learning rather than Podcasts. I find that much more efficient, especially 
>>> when it comes to needing to refer to something that you’ve already read and 
>>> forgotten. So, I am wondering if there is going to be a text based resource 
>>> this year for iOS 13. Jonathan Mosen used to do an excellent one, but he’s 
>>> not doing it anymore.
>>> 
>>> I know a couple of folks have done text based resources, and Anna, who is 
>>> one of them, is on at least some of the list where I’m sending this 
>>> message. The thing I liked about Jonathan‘s book was that it came out when 
>>> you needed it, simultaneously with the upgrade. So I’m wondering if anybody 
>>> knows whether Anna‘s book or perhaps Shelly’s book are going to be released 
>>> in the near future. Hoping for something besides podcasts, please!
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>>> Visionaries list.
>>> 
>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
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>>> 
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>>>  mk...@ucla.edu  and your owner is Cara Quinn - you 
>>> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com 
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Re: Text based resource for iOS 13 from a blindness perspective

Hi,

Try the two-finger swipe up then.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 24, 2019, at 14:07, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:

Yes, that is what I’m doing and it is only reading the first page of that 
section and not reading any more. The books app is the only place I’ve ever had 
this problem.

> On 25/09/2019, at 07:49, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Once you're in the section where the actual text is, swipe down with two 
> fingers.  It should read that page, flip to the next and continue on.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 24, 2019, at 13:46, Petrus Tuerlings  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> This is going to sound silly as I must be doing something wrong. I like to 
> think of myself as pretty good as far as using IOS and voice over on the 
> iPhone. But I’ve always had trouble reading text based books in the books 
> App. I downloaded the iPhone user guide for IOS 13 and found the paragraph 
> regarding accessibility and jumped to page 800 and something, but I can only 
> get voiceover to read the first page of that section. How do I get it to read 
> the entire paragraph? I’m still on IOS  12.4.1 as I’ll update tonight when my 
> wife is home. I always like to have some working eyes around before I start 
> the update, not that I’ve ever had any problems with updates before. So I 
> might get better luck reading the user guide after I update. 
> 
>> On 25/09/2019, at 04:49, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Have you looked in the Apple Book Store.  Apple has an iPhone user Guide for 
>> iOS 13.  It would have all the VoiceOver stuff under the Accessibility 
>> section.  These books are automatically updated as the iOS is updated.  It 
>> is in the store now.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Jamf Certified Associate
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 09:47, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>> 
>> I am one of those folks who vastly prefers text based resources for learning 
>> rather than Podcasts. I find that much more efficient, especially when it 
>> comes to needing to refer to something that you’ve already read and 
>> forgotten. So, I am wondering if there is going to be a text based resource 
>> this year for iOS 13. Jonathan Mosen used to do an excellent one, but he’s 
>> not doing it anymore.
>> 
>> I know a couple of folks have done text based resources, and Anna, who is 
>> one of them, is on at least some of the list where I’m sending this message. 
>> The thing I liked about Jonathan‘s book was that it came out when you needed 
>> it, simultaneously with the upgrade. So I’m wondering if anybody knows 
>> whether Anna‘s book or perhaps Shelly’s book are going to be released in the 
>> near future. Hoping for something besides podcasts, please!
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> -- 
>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>> Visionaries list.
>> 
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>> 
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>> mk...@ucla.edu  and your owner is Cara Quinn - you 
>> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com 
>> 
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Re: Text based resource for iOS 13 from a blindness perspective

Yes, that is what I’m doing and it is only reading the first page of that 
section and not reading any more. The books app is the only place I’ve ever had 
this problem.

> On 25/09/2019, at 07:49, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Once you're in the section where the actual text is, swipe down with two 
> fingers.  It should read that page, flip to the next and continue on.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 24, 2019, at 13:46, Petrus Tuerlings  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> This is going to sound silly as I must be doing something wrong. I like to 
> think of myself as pretty good as far as using IOS and voice over on the 
> iPhone. But I’ve always had trouble reading text based books in the books 
> App. I downloaded the iPhone user guide for IOS 13 and found the paragraph 
> regarding accessibility and jumped to page 800 and something, but I can only 
> get voiceover to read the first page of that section. How do I get it to read 
> the entire paragraph? I’m still on IOS  12.4.1 as I’ll update tonight when my 
> wife is home. I always like to have some working eyes around before I start 
> the update, not that I’ve ever had any problems with updates before. So I 
> might get better luck reading the user guide after I update. 
> 
>> On 25/09/2019, at 04:49, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Have you looked in the Apple Book Store.  Apple has an iPhone user Guide for 
>> iOS 13.  It would have all the VoiceOver stuff under the Accessibility 
>> section.  These books are automatically updated as the iOS is updated.  It 
>> is in the store now.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Jamf Certified Associate
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 09:47, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>> 
>> I am one of those folks who vastly prefers text based resources for learning 
>> rather than Podcasts. I find that much more efficient, especially when it 
>> comes to needing to refer to something that you’ve already read and 
>> forgotten. So, I am wondering if there is going to be a text based resource 
>> this year for iOS 13. Jonathan Mosen used to do an excellent one, but he’s 
>> not doing it anymore.
>> 
>> I know a couple of folks have done text based resources, and Anna, who is 
>> one of them, is on at least some of the list where I’m sending this message. 
>> The thing I liked about Jonathan‘s book was that it came out when you needed 
>> it, simultaneously with the upgrade. So I’m wondering if anybody knows 
>> whether Anna‘s book or perhaps Shelly’s book are going to be released in the 
>> near future. Hoping for something besides podcasts, please!
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> -- 
>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>> Visionaries list.
>> 
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>> 
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>> mk...@ucla.edu  and your owner is Cara Quinn - you 
>> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com 
>> 
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>> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com 
>>  
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Re: Text based resource for iOS 13 from a blindness perspective

Hi,

Once you're in the section where the actual text is, swipe down with two 
fingers.  It should read that page, flip to the next and continue on.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 24, 2019, at 13:46, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:

Hi,
This is going to sound silly as I must be doing something wrong. I like to 
think of myself as pretty good as far as using IOS and voice over on the 
iPhone. But I’ve always had trouble reading text based books in the books App. 
I downloaded the iPhone user guide for IOS 13 and found the paragraph regarding 
accessibility and jumped to page 800 and something, but I can only get 
voiceover to read the first page of that section. How do I get it to read the 
entire paragraph? I’m still on IOS  12.4.1 as I’ll update tonight when my wife 
is home. I always like to have some working eyes around before I start the 
update, not that I’ve ever had any problems with updates before. So I might get 
better luck reading the user guide after I update. 

> On 25/09/2019, at 04:49, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> Have you looked in the Apple Book Store.  Apple has an iPhone user Guide for 
> iOS 13.  It would have all the VoiceOver stuff under the Accessibility 
> section.  These books are automatically updated as the iOS is updated.  It is 
> in the store now.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
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> 
> On Sep 24, 2019, at 09:47, Mary Otten  > wrote:
> 
> I am one of those folks who vastly prefers text based resources for learning 
> rather than Podcasts. I find that much more efficient, especially when it 
> comes to needing to refer to something that you’ve already read and 
> forgotten. So, I am wondering if there is going to be a text based resource 
> this year for iOS 13. Jonathan Mosen used to do an excellent one, but he’s 
> not doing it anymore.
> 
> I know a couple of folks have done text based resources, and Anna, who is one 
> of them, is on at least some of the list where I’m sending this message. The 
> thing I liked about Jonathan‘s book was that it came out when you needed it, 
> simultaneously with the upgrade. So I’m wondering if anybody knows whether 
> Anna‘s book or perhaps Shelly’s book are going to be released in the near 
> future. Hoping for something besides podcasts, please!
> Mary
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Re: Text based resource for iOS 13 from a blindness perspective

Hi,
This is going to sound silly as I must be doing something wrong. I like to 
think of myself as pretty good as far as using IOS and voice over on the 
iPhone. But I’ve always had trouble reading text based books in the books App. 
I downloaded the iPhone user guide for IOS 13 and found the paragraph regarding 
accessibility and jumped to page 800 and something, but I can only get 
voiceover to read the first page of that section. How do I get it to read the 
entire paragraph? I’m still on IOS  12.4.1 as I’ll update tonight when my wife 
is home. I always like to have some working eyes around before I start the 
update, not that I’ve ever had any problems with updates before. So I might get 
better luck reading the user guide after I update. 

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> Hi,
> 
> Have you looked in the Apple Book Store.  Apple has an iPhone user Guide for 
> iOS 13.  It would have all the VoiceOver stuff under the Accessibility 
> section.  These books are automatically updated as the iOS is updated.  It is 
> in the store now.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 24, 2019, at 09:47, Mary Otten  > wrote:
> 
> I am one of those folks who vastly prefers text based resources for learning 
> rather than Podcasts. I find that much more efficient, especially when it 
> comes to needing to refer to something that you’ve already read and 
> forgotten. So, I am wondering if there is going to be a text based resource 
> this year for iOS 13. Jonathan Mosen used to do an excellent one, but he’s 
> not doing it anymore.
> 
> I know a couple of folks have done text based resources, and Anna, who is one 
> of them, is on at least some of the list where I’m sending this message. The 
> thing I liked about Jonathan‘s book was that it came out when you needed it, 
> simultaneously with the upgrade. So I’m wondering if anybody knows whether 
> Anna‘s book or perhaps Shelly’s book are going to be released in the near 
> future. Hoping for something besides podcasts, please!
> Mary
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Re: Turning Off Quick Nav in Safari Form Fields

2019-09-24 Thread Lorie McCloud

how does single key navigation work?

> On Sep 24, 2019, at 7:56 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
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>   It’s probably that you turn the single key Quick Nav on or off as well. 
> VO-q will toggle the single key navigation.
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>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 12:01 AM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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>> I do the very same thing all the time and it would be really nice if there 
>> was a setting for that.
>> 
>>> On Sep 23, 2019, at 10:57 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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>>> Here’s something that really bugs me. I use quick nav (left+right arrow 
>>> keys) in Safari to move around quickly. Good. But when I land on a form 
>>> field where I need to type, I always forget to turn quick nav off and go 
>>> off in the weeds while typing. Then after I fix that, I forget to turn 
>>> quick nav back on. It’s a bit irritating to have to switch in off and on 
>>> constantly. Is there any setting that will automatically disable quick nav 
>>> when there’s a form field in focus? Sort of like the auto forms mode in 
>>> JAWS.
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Re: Turning Off Quick Nav in Safari Form Fields

2019-09-24 Thread Dave Carlson

Jonathan,
Yes, it’s very likely that my having single letter navigation turned on that is 
messing things up for me.

Dave Carlson
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Re: IOS 13.1

Hi,

Mine took about 30 to 40 minutes total from request to restart and use.  Got 
lucky I guess.

Later,..


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On Sep 24, 2019, at 13:22, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

I just requested a download of the new version. The phone says it will take two 
hours to download. So, probably worth waiting.
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IOS 13.1

I just requested a download of the new version. The phone says it will take two 
hours to download. So, probably worth waiting.
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VMWareFusion and USB issues.

I remember issues with the early Mohave came out where a terminal command was 
used to reset all permissions in the database for either all applications or a 
specific application. Perhaps we need to do this for 11.5 also? 

The command is 
tccutil reset

followed by either an application name or “all”.
Can someone who is struggling with VMWare 11.5 give this a try and report back?
 

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Re: Turning Off Quick Nav in Safari Form Fields

Actually, in text fields if you interact with them, Quick Nav will turn off and 
then turn back on when you stop interacting.

Give it a try!
Jonathan


> On Sep 24, 2019, at 12:01 AM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I do the very same thing all the time and it would be really nice if there 
> was a setting for that.
> 
>> On Sep 23, 2019, at 10:57 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>> 
>> Here’s something that really bugs me. I use quick nav (left+right arrow 
>> keys) in Safari to move around quickly. Good. But when I land on a form 
>> field where I need to type, I always forget to turn quick nav off and go off 
>> in the weeds while typing. Then after I fix that, I forget to turn quick nav 
>> back on. It’s a bit irritating to have to switch in off and on constantly. 
>> Is there any setting that will automatically disable quick nav when there’s 
>> a form field in focus? Sort of like the auto forms mode in JAWS.
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian
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Re: VMWareFusion now ready for 10.15

2019-09-24 Thread maurice.mines


Hello so I try to install this and it’s not even running.

What I did is downloaded the installer to the applications folder. Then 
I deleted the downloaded desk image from my drive. Should I have done 
this? Or should I read download this disk image copy the executable but 
leave the disk image on my drive so that I can run the install? Any 
thoughts?


Sincerely Maurice Mines.

On 24 Sep 2019, at 9:53, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:


   Let us know, Anders.

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On 9/24/2019 9:49 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
I don’t think so.
Think it will be the same problem.
/A


24 sep. 2019 kl. 16:45 skrev Pete De Vasto :

I still had the DMG for VMWare 11.0.3, so I uninstalled 11.5 and 
went back to the older version, and all is well again. I’m 
wondering if maybe you actually have to have upgraded to Catalina 
before the new VMWare will work.


Pete De Vasto

On Sep 23, 2019, at 7:26 PM, Simon A Fogarty  
wrote:


Yeah just thought I'd ask as I'd struck that in an earlier vm 
fusion where I actually had to eject it for it to switch even 
though it was in the menu bar as show in vm.


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Sent: Tuesday, 24 September 2019 2:24 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VMWareFusion now ready for 10.15

   No I did not connect anything until Windows was running. But 
even if they were already connected, you can still connect them to 
the VM from the menu bar.


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On 9/23/2019 7:18 PM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:

Have you ejected the usb device from the mac first


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Yes. I granted full disk access and still do not see any USB 
devices.


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true?

On 9/23/2019 3:50 PM, Pete De Vasto wrote:
I got notified of the new release about a week ago, but only got 
to
download it this morning. It’s up and running, however, it’s 
not
seeing any of my USB devices. I had this same issue once before, 
and
went to System Preferences, > Security and Privacy, and tried to 
give
the app permission to access the entire data on my Mac. It 
wasn’t
originally in the table of apps, so I chose “Add” and 
navigated to
the app in my Applications folder. I then tried to add it to the 
list in Preferences.
Now, VMWare does show up in the table of apps, and it is checked, 
but
my USB devices are still not found, and VMWare doesn’t even 
know

about them now. If you do get 11.5 installed and can use your USB
devices like a Braille display, I’d love to know how you got it 
to work.


Thanks,
Pete De Vasto


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I just saw on Tidbits.com  that Fusion 11.5 
is

adding support for macOS 10.15 Catalina, Windows 10 v19H2, and
Oracle Linux 8.0.  (This release should make VMware Fusion 
suitable
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Re: VMWareFusion now ready for 10.15

2019-09-24 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries


   Let us know, Anders.

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On 9/24/2019 9:49 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
I don’t think so.
Think it will be the same problem.
/A


24 sep. 2019 kl. 16:45 skrev Pete De Vasto :

I still had the DMG for VMWare 11.0.3, so I uninstalled 11.5 and went back to 
the older version, and all is well again. I’m wondering if maybe you actually 
have to have upgraded to Catalina before the new VMWare will work.

Pete De Vasto


On Sep 23, 2019, at 7:26 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:

Yeah just thought I'd ask as I'd struck that in an earlier vm fusion where I 
actually had to eject it for it to switch even though it was in the menu bar as 
show in vm.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, 24 September 2019 2:24 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VMWareFusion now ready for 10.15

   No I did not connect anything until Windows was running. But even if they 
were already connected, you can still connect them to the VM from the menu bar.

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On 9/23/2019 7:18 PM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:

Have you ejected the usb device from the mac first


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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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Yes. I granted full disk access and still do not see any USB devices.

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On 9/23/2019 3:50 PM, Pete De Vasto wrote:

I got notified of the new release about a week ago, but only got to
download it this morning. It’s up and running, however, it’s not
seeing any of my USB devices. I had this same issue once before, and
went to System Preferences, > Security and Privacy, and tried to give
the app permission to access the entire data on my Mac. It wasn’t
originally in the table of apps, so I chose “Add” and navigated to
the app in my Applications folder. I then tried to add it to the list in 
Preferences.
Now, VMWare does show up in the table of apps, and it is checked, but
my USB devices are still not found, and VMWare doesn’t even know
about them now. If you do get 11.5 installed and can use your USB
devices like a Braille display, I’d love to know how you got it to work.

Thanks,
Pete De Vasto


On Sep 23, 2019, at 1:30 PM, Jonathan Cohn mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I just saw on Tidbits.com  that Fusion 11.5 is
adding support for macOS 10.15 Catalina, Windows 10 v19H2, and
Oracle Linux 8.0.  (This release should make VMware Fusion suitable
for virtualizing 10.14 Mojave inside Catalina The release notes can
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Re: Text based resource for iOS 13 from a blindness perspective

Hi,

Have you looked in the Apple Book Store.  Apple has an iPhone user Guide for 
iOS 13.  It would have all the VoiceOver stuff under the Accessibility section. 
 These books are automatically updated as the iOS is updated.  It is in the 
store now.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 24, 2019, at 09:47, Mary Otten  wrote:

I am one of those folks who vastly prefers text based resources for learning 
rather than Podcasts. I find that much more efficient, especially when it comes 
to needing to refer to something that you’ve already read and forgotten. So, I 
am wondering if there is going to be a text based resource this year for iOS 
13. Jonathan Mosen used to do an excellent one, but he’s not doing it anymore.

I know a couple of folks have done text based resources, and Anna, who is one 
of them, is on at least some of the list where I’m sending this message. The 
thing I liked about Jonathan‘s book was that it came out when you needed it, 
simultaneously with the upgrade. So I’m wondering if anybody knows whether 
Anna‘s book or perhaps Shelly’s book are going to be released in the near 
future. Hoping for something besides podcasts, please!
Mary


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Re: VMWareFusion now ready for 10.15

2019-09-24 Thread Anders Holmberg

Hi!
I don’t think so.
Think it will be the same problem.
/A

> 24 sep. 2019 kl. 16:45 skrev Pete De Vasto :
> 
> I still had the DMG for VMWare 11.0.3, so I uninstalled 11.5 and went back to 
> the older version, and all is well again. I’m wondering if maybe you actually 
> have to have upgraded to Catalina before the new VMWare will work.
> 
> Pete De Vasto
> 
>> On Sep 23, 2019, at 7:26 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah just thought I'd ask as I'd struck that in an earlier vm fusion where I 
>> actually had to eject it for it to switch even though it was in the menu bar 
>> as show in vm.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  
>> Sent: Tuesday, 24 September 2019 2:24 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: VMWareFusion now ready for 10.15
>> 
>>   No I did not connect anything until Windows was running. But even if they 
>> were already connected, you can still connect them to the VM from the menu 
>> bar.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>> On 9/23/2019 7:18 PM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
>>> Have you ejected the usb device from the mac first
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 24 September 2019 1:56 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: VMWareFusion now ready for 10.15
>>> 
>>>Yes. I granted full disk access and still do not see any USB devices.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>>> true?
>>> 
>>> On 9/23/2019 3:50 PM, Pete De Vasto wrote:
 I got notified of the new release about a week ago, but only got to 
 download it this morning. It’s up and running, however, it’s not 
 seeing any of my USB devices. I had this same issue once before, and 
 went to System Preferences, > Security and Privacy, and tried to give 
 the app permission to access the entire data on my Mac. It wasn’t 
 originally in the table of apps, so I chose “Add” and navigated to 
 the app in my Applications folder. I then tried to add it to the list in 
 Preferences.
 Now, VMWare does show up in the table of apps, and it is checked, but 
 my USB devices are still not found, and VMWare doesn’t even know 
 about them now. If you do get 11.5 installed and can use your USB 
 devices like a Braille display, I’d love to know how you got it to work.
 
 Thanks,
 Pete De Vasto
 
> On Sep 23, 2019, at 1:30 PM, Jonathan Cohn  > wrote:
> 
> I just saw on Tidbits.com  that Fusion 11.5 is 
> adding support for macOS 10.15 Catalina, Windows 10 v19H2, and 
> Oracle Linux 8.0.  (This release should make VMware Fusion suitable 
> for virtualizing 10.14 Mojave inside Catalina The release notes can 
> be found here:
> https://docs.vmware.com/en/VMware-Fusion/11.5.0/rn/VMware-Fusion-115
> 0
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RE: Text based resource for iOS 13 from a blindness perspective

2019-09-24 Thread hemakarah

Hi Mary,

I  am also eagerly waiting for a written instruction material on IOS 13. Hope 
it comes soon!

Take care,
Hem.


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Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: 24 September 2019 21:17
To: viph...@googlegroups.com; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; 
mac4thebl...@freelists.org
Subject: Text based resource for iOS 13 from a blindness perspective

I am one of those folks who vastly prefers text based resources for learning 
rather than Podcasts. I find that much more efficient, especially when it comes 
to needing to refer to something that you’ve already read and forgotten. So, I 
am wondering if there is going to be a text based resource this year for iOS 
13. Jonathan Mosen used to do an excellent one, but he’s not doing it anymore.

I know a couple of folks have done text based resources, and Anna, who is one 
of them, is on at least some of the list where I’m sending this message. The 
thing I liked about Jonathan‘s book was that it came out when you needed it, 
simultaneously with the upgrade. So I’m wondering if anybody knows whether 
Anna‘s book or perhaps Shelly’s book are going to be released in the near 
future. Hoping for something besides podcasts, please!
Mary


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Re: VMWareFusion now ready for 10.15

2019-09-24 Thread Anders Holmberg

Hi!
Oh Dear is this still  an issue?
I installed Vmware Fusion 11.1 a month ago and had a hell to get things up and 
running.
I can’t remember how i did that but it worked until  the evaluation period went 
out.
Have you searched through all the vmware knowledgebase?
/A

> 24 sep. 2019 kl. 00:50 skrev Pete De Vasto :
> 
> I got notified of the new release about a week ago, but only got to download 
> it this morning. It’s up and running, however, it’s not seeing any of my USB 
> devices. I had this same issue once before, and went to System Preferences, > 
> Security and Privacy, and tried to give the app permission to access the 
> entire data on my Mac. It wasn’t originally in the table of apps, so I chose 
> “Add” and navigated to the app in my Applications folder. I then tried to add 
> it to the list in Preferences. Now, VMWare does show up in the table of apps, 
> and it is checked, but my USB devices are still not found, and VMWare doesn’t 
> even know about them now. If you do get 11.5 installed and can use your USB 
> devices like a Braille display, I’d love to know how you got it to work.
> 
> Thanks,
> Pete De Vasto
> 
>> On Sep 23, 2019, at 1:30 PM, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> I just saw on Tidbits.com  that Fusion 11.5 is adding 
>> support for macOS 10.15 Catalina, Windows 10 v19H2, and Oracle Linux 8.0.  
>> (This release should make VMware Fusion suitable for virtualizing 10.14 
>> Mojave inside Catalina
>> The release notes can be found here:
>> https://docs.vmware.com/en/VMware-Fusion/11.5.0/rn/VMware-Fusion-1150-Release-Notes.html
>>  
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Text based resource for iOS 13 from a blindness perspective

2019-09-24 Thread Mary Otten

I am one of those folks who vastly prefers text based resources for learning 
rather than Podcasts. I find that much more efficient, especially when it comes 
to needing to refer to something that you’ve already read and forgotten. So, I 
am wondering if there is going to be a text based resource this year for iOS 
13. Jonathan Mosen used to do an excellent one, but he’s not doing it anymore.

I know a couple of folks have done text based resources, and Anna, who is one 
of them, is on at least some of the list where I’m sending this message. The 
thing I liked about Jonathan‘s book was that it came out when you needed it, 
simultaneously with the upgrade. So I’m wondering if anybody knows whether 
Anna‘s book or perhaps Shelly’s book are going to be released in the near 
future. Hoping for something besides podcasts, please!
Mary


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Re: VMWareFusion now ready for 10.15

2019-09-24 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries


   I may also revert back to 11.1.1.

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On 9/24/2019 7:45 AM, Pete De Vasto wrote:

I still had the DMG for VMWare 11.0.3, so I uninstalled 11.5 and went back to 
the older version, and all is well again. I’m wondering if maybe you actually 
have to have upgraded to Catalina before the new VMWare will work.

Pete De Vasto


On Sep 23, 2019, at 7:26 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:

Yeah just thought I'd ask as I'd struck that in an earlier vm fusion where I 
actually had to eject it for it to switch even though it was in the menu bar as 
show in vm.

-Original Message-
From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Tuesday, 24 September 2019 2:24 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VMWareFusion now ready for 10.15

No I did not connect anything until Windows was running. But even if they 
were already connected, you can still connect them to the VM from the menu bar.

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ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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in the past. What if it were true?

On 9/23/2019 7:18 PM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:

Have you ejected the usb device from the mac first


-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, 24 September 2019 1:56 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VMWareFusion now ready for 10.15

 Yes. I granted full disk access and still do not see any USB devices.

  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were
true?

On 9/23/2019 3:50 PM, Pete De Vasto wrote:

I got notified of the new release about a week ago, but only got to
download it this morning. It’s up and running, however, it’s not
seeing any of my USB devices. I had this same issue once before, and
went to System Preferences, > Security and Privacy, and tried to give
the app permission to access the entire data on my Mac. It wasn’t
originally in the table of apps, so I chose “Add” and navigated to
the app in my Applications folder. I then tried to add it to the list in 
Preferences.
Now, VMWare does show up in the table of apps, and it is checked, but
my USB devices are still not found, and VMWare doesn’t even know
about them now. If you do get 11.5 installed and can use your USB
devices like a Braille display, I’d love to know how you got it to work.

Thanks,
Pete De Vasto


On Sep 23, 2019, at 1:30 PM, Jonathan Cohn mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I just saw on Tidbits.com  that Fusion 11.5 is
adding support for macOS 10.15 Catalina, Windows 10 v19H2, and
Oracle Linux 8.0.  (This release should make VMware Fusion suitable
for virtualizing 10.14 Mojave inside Catalina The release notes can
be found here:
https://docs.vmware.com/en/VMware-Fusion/11.5.0/rn/VMware-Fusion-115
0
-Release-Notes.html

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Re: Turning Off Quick Nav in Safari Form Fields

2019-09-24 Thread John Panarese

   OK. So single key navigation is  part of Quick Nav. It can be adjusted 
independently.Quick Nav works specifically with the arrow keys and, with that 
Sid, rotor settings will effect the way the arrow keys work overall.

Single key navigation is where you can use, for example, the letter h, to 
navigate by headings, or, l, to navigate by links, on a webpage. What happens, 
though, is with single key navigation on, if you try to type in an edit field, 
it treats your key presses like single key commands. Thus, if you toggle it 
off, you will still have Quick Nav active, but the single key navigation will 
not work in those instances.

   I hope that helps.


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> On Sep 24, 2019, at 10:47 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> John,
> To make sure I understand, I should have either single key nav on, or quick 
> nav on, but not both?
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Musician, Engineer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 24, 2019, at 05:56, John Panarese  > wrote:
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>   It’s probably that you turn the single key Quick Nav on or off as well. 
> VO-q will toggle the single key navigation.
> 
> 
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>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 12:01 AM, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> I do the very same thing all the time and it would be really nice if there 
>> was a setting for that.
>> 
>>> On Sep 23, 2019, at 10:57 PM, Dave Carlson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Here’s something that really bugs me. I use quick nav (left+right arrow 
>>> keys) in Safari to move around quickly. Good. But when I land on a form 
>>> field where I need to type, I always forget to turn quick nav off and go 
>>> off in the weeds while typing. Then after I fix that, I forget to turn 
>>> quick nav back on. It’s a bit irritating to have to switch in off and on 
>>> constantly. Is there any setting that will automatically disable quick nav 
>>> when there’s a form field in focus? Sort of like the auto forms mode in 
>>> JAWS.
>>> 
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Turning Off Quick Nav in Safari Form Fields

2019-09-24 Thread Dave Carlson

John,
To make sure I understand, I should have either single key nav on, or quick nav 
on, but not both?

Dave Carlson
Musician, Engineer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer





On Sep 24, 2019, at 05:56, John Panarese  wrote:

  It’s probably that you turn the single key Quick Nav on or off as well. VO-q 
will toggle the single key navigation.


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> On Sep 24, 2019, at 12:01 AM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I do the very same thing all the time and it would be really nice if there 
> was a setting for that.
> 
>> On Sep 23, 2019, at 10:57 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>> 
>> Here’s something that really bugs me. I use quick nav (left+right arrow 
>> keys) in Safari to move around quickly. Good. But when I land on a form 
>> field where I need to type, I always forget to turn quick nav off and go off 
>> in the weeds while typing. Then after I fix that, I forget to turn quick nav 
>> back on. It’s a bit irritating to have to switch in off and on constantly. 
>> Is there any setting that will automatically disable quick nav when there’s 
>> a form field in focus? Sort of like the auto forms mode in JAWS.
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian
>> 
>> 
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Re: VMWareFusion now ready for 10.15

2019-09-24 Thread Pete De Vasto

I still had the DMG for VMWare 11.0.3, so I uninstalled 11.5 and went back to 
the older version, and all is well again. I’m wondering if maybe you actually 
have to have upgraded to Catalina before the new VMWare will work.

Pete De Vasto

> On Sep 23, 2019, at 7:26 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
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> Yeah just thought I'd ask as I'd struck that in an earlier vm fusion where I 
> actually had to eject it for it to switch even though it was in the menu bar 
> as show in vm.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: VMWareFusion now ready for 10.15
> 
>No I did not connect anything until Windows was running. But even if they 
> were already connected, you can still connect them to the VM from the menu 
> bar.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 9/23/2019 7:18 PM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
>> Have you ejected the usb device from the mac first
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>> Sent: Tuesday, 24 September 2019 1:56 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: VMWareFusion now ready for 10.15
>> 
>> Yes. I granted full disk access and still do not see any USB devices.
>> 
>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>> true?
>> 
>> On 9/23/2019 3:50 PM, Pete De Vasto wrote:
>>> I got notified of the new release about a week ago, but only got to 
>>> download it this morning. It’s up and running, however, it’s not 
>>> seeing any of my USB devices. I had this same issue once before, and 
>>> went to System Preferences, > Security and Privacy, and tried to give 
>>> the app permission to access the entire data on my Mac. It wasn’t 
>>> originally in the table of apps, so I chose “Add” and navigated to 
>>> the app in my Applications folder. I then tried to add it to the list in 
>>> Preferences.
>>> Now, VMWare does show up in the table of apps, and it is checked, but 
>>> my USB devices are still not found, and VMWare doesn’t even know 
>>> about them now. If you do get 11.5 installed and can use your USB 
>>> devices like a Braille display, I’d love to know how you got it to work.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Pete De Vasto
>>> 
 On Sep 23, 2019, at 1:30 PM, Jonathan Cohn >>> > wrote:
 
 I just saw on Tidbits.com  that Fusion 11.5 is 
 adding support for macOS 10.15 Catalina, Windows 10 v19H2, and 
 Oracle Linux 8.0.  (This release should make VMware Fusion suitable 
 for virtualizing 10.14 Mojave inside Catalina The release notes can 
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Re: Turning Off Quick Nav in Safari Form Fields

2019-09-24 Thread Sandra Finley

John, ?  I am Not sure how "single key navigation" relates to the issue at 
hand, which clearly indicates I don't know what it does.  Can you explain? 
Thanks.




> On Sep 24, 2019, at 8:56 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
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>   It’s probably that you turn the single key Quick Nav on or off as well. 
> VO-q will toggle the single key navigation.
> 
> 
> Take Care
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>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 12:01 AM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> I do the very same thing all the time and it would be really nice if there 
>> was a setting for that.
>> 
>>> On Sep 23, 2019, at 10:57 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Here’s something that really bugs me. I use quick nav (left+right arrow 
>>> keys) in Safari to move around quickly. Good. But when I land on a form 
>>> field where I need to type, I always forget to turn quick nav off and go 
>>> off in the weeds while typing. Then after I fix that, I forget to turn 
>>> quick nav back on. It’s a bit irritating to have to switch in off and on 
>>> constantly. Is there any setting that will automatically disable quick nav 
>>> when there’s a form field in focus? Sort of like the auto forms mode in 
>>> JAWS.
>>> 
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Turning Off Quick Nav in Safari Form Fields

2019-09-24 Thread John Panarese

   It’s probably that you turn the single key Quick Nav on or off as well. VO-q 
will toggle the single key navigation.


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> On Sep 24, 2019, at 12:01 AM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I do the very same thing all the time and it would be really nice if there 
> was a setting for that.
> 
>> On Sep 23, 2019, at 10:57 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>> 
>> Here’s something that really bugs me. I use quick nav (left+right arrow 
>> keys) in Safari to move around quickly. Good. But when I land on a form 
>> field where I need to type, I always forget to turn quick nav off and go off 
>> in the weeds while typing. Then after I fix that, I forget to turn quick nav 
>> back on. It’s a bit irritating to have to switch in off and on constantly. 
>> Is there any setting that will automatically disable quick nav when there’s 
>> a form field in focus? Sort of like the auto forms mode in JAWS.
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian
>> 
>> 
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Re: For thos who don't wish to update to iOS 13 yet

2019-09-24 Thread Anders Holmberg

Hi!
To be honest i don’t see the reason not to Update.
But if people ar willing to take the security risks not to update then its 
their choice.
/A

> 22 sep. 2019 kl. 11:02 skrev 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> Just seen this post on another group posted for those of us who do not wish 
> to upgrade to iOS 13 because of possible bugs. I’m pasting the crucial bit 
> below.
> 
> "With iOS 13 coming out and lots of us not wanting to download it because of 
> the multiple voiceover bugs, may I take this opportunity to warn you of 
> apples rather sneaky way of overriding your settings to install updates when 
> you don't want them. 
> If you go into settings, general, software update, you'll find a button to 
> turn off automatic software updates. Go ahead and switch that to off, but be 
> aware that it may not stop the update from being installed. There's another 
> step you will probably need to take. 
> You may find a dialogue popping up sometime in the next few days asking if 
> you want to install iOS 13. The two options you'll be given are "install now" 
> or "later". You'll assume you need to choose "later", since you don't want 
> the update at all, and then you'll be asked to enter your passcode. At this 
> point, the phone is ready to install the update, despite the fact that you 
> have auto update set to off, and it will do it sometime in the couple of days 
> after you've seen the dialogue come up. 
> So, when the dialog has appeared and you've chosen the later option, go back 
> into settings, general, software update and you'll see another button has 
> appeared, called "Cancel auto install" or something like that. You need to 
> double tap that button to stop the phone doing the update automatically. And 
> all of this happens even though you've got your auto update set to off. Apple 
> sure are keen to get us updating.”
> 
> Andrew
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Re: iPad OS 13.1 release

2019-09-24 Thread Jürgen Fleger

Wasn’t it normally at 10 am east Pacific time like the Keynotes as wel?


> Am 24.09.2019 um 14:01 schrieb Simon A Fogarty :
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> Hi Lists,
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> At what point on the 24th is the release of iPadOS 13.1 and I thought the IOS 
> 13.1 update to be released?
>  
> I know there is a number of time zones in the USA but all of them now should 
> be in the 24th September
> Has anyone seen these production releases as yet? 
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iPad OS 13.1 release