Re: Question about word

[Yolanda Thompson]

Try command instead of control
Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 9, 2024, at 1:43 PM, Rebecca Sabo  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I did try control e to center and control l and neither of those worked.
> Any suggestions in using word on the Mac?
> Becky
> 
>> On Mar 6, 2024, at 5:10 PM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On 6/3/24 15:10, John Panarese wrote:
>>>I believe centering is command-e with the highlighted text. I’m not sure 
>>> what the left justify is, but I think it’s command-l.
>> It's usually better to use styles instead, e.g., title, heading level 1, etc.
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Re: Bar Code App

[Yolanda Thompson]

Will Navi Lens do this?

On 1/18/24, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  wrote:
> Hi all,
> I had asked this before and got no response. I'm looking for an iOS
> app that can create an audio label for blank bar code stickers. Thoughts?
>
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>   -Helen Keller
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Re: Portable keyboard for ipad mini 6th gen

[Yolanda Thompson]

A medium sized purse on up. I like mine a lot.

On 12/3/23, sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com  wrote:
> Will the 380 fit in a purse?
>
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> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On
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> Subject: Re: Portable keyboard for ipad mini 6th gen
>
>
>
> I personally like the Logitech K3 80. It has nice keys.
>
> There's also another one called logitech keys to go, but for me that one's
> too squishy.
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>
>
>
>
> On Dec 3, 2023, at 8:57 PM,   >   > wrote:
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>
>
> All:
>
> I picked up an iPad mini 6th gen 256GB tablet for myself on Thanksgiving.
> Merry Christmas to me! LOL.
>
> I’m loving it.
>
> Since a 14 cell Braille display is currently not in my budget, can anyone
> recommend a portable keyboard that I can use with my new iPad? Something I
> can carry for travel as well.
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Re: Need a new Braille display

[Yolanda Thompson]

Have you looked at the Orbit 40? It is the least expensive display I
am aware of.

On 11/22/23, Simon Cavendish  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I’d like your suggestions for a new Braille display at a lower price end on
> the market.  My Focus 40 blue has died and I need a 32 cell or 40 cell
> Braille display with no bells and whistles.  Any comments on the Orbit
> Braille display, which seems to be more affordable at present?
>
> Many thanks
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> Simon
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Re: One Question to Paramount Plus Subscribers

[Yolanda Thompson]

Not the best; however, doable--in my opinion

On 11/5/23, M. Taylor  wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> Okay, I just want to make certain that the Paramount Plus app for iOS /
> iPad
> / Apple TV is still accessible with the audio description feature, as of
> today, in iOS 17 and its associated operating systems.
>
> I purchased the first episode of Star Trek, Picard, on Prime Video, today,
> and was surprised at how compelling the first episode was.  I did not think
> it would be as good as the big 4, if you know what I mean; but I was
> pleasantly surprised.
>
> Despite the fact that Prime listed the series as having an AD track, the
> first EP, does not; at least it does not have one in Prime.
>
> And you can forget about an AD track in iTunes.  So disappointed.
>
> I know that a while ago, a list member informed us that Apple does not
> offer
> the AD track for Picard but I was hoping that this would change, alas, it
> has not.
>
> Even though I enjoyed watching the first EP of Picard, without AD, I know I
> will enjoy the series, more completely, with AD.
>
> So, as kind of an early Christmas gift to myself, I have decided to
> subscribe to Paramount Plus, at least until I have seen all of Picard.
>
> Of course I can and will sign up for the 7-day free trial but I don't want
> to provide info to yet another company unless I am reasonably certain that
> it will provide the expected service.
>
> It's really quite sad that, even in late 2023, audio description is so
> scarcely available.
>
> If you will allow me to wax philosophically for a moment:
> I will not be impress by this so-called new AI generation until it, AI that
> is, can be used to provide audio description to those of us who are blind
> or
> low vision, on the fly.
>
> All replies greatly appreciated.
>
> Mark
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Re: Accessibility of Ring Video Doorbell V2

[Yolanda Thompson]

So, ring keeps causing MAC users frustration because they say they
will not support MAC, then I think the last thing is the ring info can
be accessed via Safari.
However, on the iPhones it works well. Had to address some
inaccessibility in setup and so forth; however, last I heard they had
fixed this.


On 7/16/23, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
> Hello,
> My family have 2 iPhones running IOS 16.4.1 and we are considering
> installing a Ring Video Doorbell version 2. I am blind and so use VoiceOver
> on one of the iPhones. Is the Ring App accessible to the extent that I can
> adjust the settings, get alarms when the doorbell rings, and be able to talk
> to the person ringing the doorbell? Can I setup the doorbell to talk to both
> of our iPhones?I anticipate that the doorbell would connectto
> Many thanks for any help … Paul Hopewell
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Re: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from Mark

[Yolanda Thompson]

I love Apple News. Please be aware, however, that on the weekends when
you hit the audio section, swiping through breaks. The only way I have
found around it is to touch at the right hand bottom of the screen and
flick left. It is annoying.

On 7/4/23, sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com  wrote:
> How accessible is subscription version of Apple News?
>
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> Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2023 6:04 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: A Big Hello and General Personal Apple-Related Updates from Mark
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> First, I am posting this to both lists because I know that a couple of
> questions I have can be answered by experts on either list.
>
> Second, Happy Independence Day for those of us in the US.
>
> 1.
> So I finally decided to give Apple One a try.  I have been resistant to it
> because I do not need all of the features included in the plan but, quite
> frankly, the billing is better when bundled.  I have to admit that being
> able to read the lyrics of songs that are playing, in Apple Music, is very,
> very nice.  Here is a question:  Is it possible to place VoiceOver focus
> such that as the lyric being sung is automatically read out by VO?
>
> 2.
> With regard to Apple Fitness Plus:  Any suggestions as to how best to get
> started using the features in conjunction with my Apple Watch?
>
> 3.
> Today, for the first time, I finally added a second card to Apple Pay.  I
> must say that I am extremely relieved that selecting the non-default card,
> at time of purchase, is so easy.  I had been reluctant to add a second card,
> for just that reason.
>
> 4.
> Since I now have access to TV Plus, I guess I will give some of these,
> apparently, excellent new series a try. I am looking forward to watching
> Highjacked and Silo.
>
> 5.
> I was just thinking that all of my interaction with the world, in terms of
> technology, is done via Apple products; accept for my two remaining
> hardworking and beloved PCs; one that is still running Windows 7  The
> Windows 7 PC is not connected to the internet.
>
> 6.
> Now don't get me wrong, I love my Android devices but I cannot imagine using
> them as a primary means of navigating my life.
>
> 7.
> Although a day late and a dollar short, with regard to the thread that asked
> about good WIFI routers, I prefer Linksys routers and range extenders.  In
> fact, I purchased 2 new range extenders for my home, just last week.  I was
> delighted to discover that when you connect to these devices, for the first
> time, on an iOS device, the device's built-in web interface automatically
> launches, prompting you for the required info.  Very, very, impressive.  In
> fact, now that I think about it, these new devices can tell you when they
> are in the best location, relative to other Linksys devices, on the same
> network.  How wonderful technology can be; and the best part? We have only
> scratched the surface on all that is to come.
>
> Finally, I hope you are all doing well and I do hope you will reply to this
> thread reporting your own personal Apple-related updates, also.
>
> Mark
>
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Re: a difficult website

[Yolanda Thompson]

So, if I visit this site using Windows, I find the element is a combo
box. In my experience safari does not do combo boxes. I would love for
someone to tell me I am incorrrect and tell me how to do combo boxes
using the Mac. However, if you expand the combo box for the day you
are seeking on this website, the programs for that day show once the
day is expanded.

On 3/15/23, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> thanks for doing that. I doubt that they even know what accessibility is but
> I suppose I. should try.
>
>> On Mar 15, 2023, at 9:01 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>
>> I’m thinking this is an accessibility issue. I tried it on Safari and
>> Chrome and it did not work. I got as far as you did.
>>
>>> On Mar 15, 2023, at 20:45, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>>
>>> I’m trying to work with the 2 week archives of:
>>> “wdcb.org ”
>>> I can navigate to the 2 week archive. choosing the day I want is a little
>>> dicey. in this case I was trying for Tuesday March 14. when I got there
>>> nothing I did seemed to put me in it. I could get to the show I wanted:
>>> “Folk Festival” from 8 to 11 but the only play button that worked was the
>>> one for now playing. I’d like to know if there’s something I don’t
>>> understand about this site or if it’s just inaccessible. apparently the
>>> shows are tabs and I don’t know how to move by tabs if there is a way. if
>>> anybody feels like going up there and having a look around, I’d
>>> appreciate it. I tried it with Safari and Firefox.
>>>
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
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Re: CVS Pharmacy Spoken Rx for iOS and Android

[Yolanda Thompson]

I have Express Scripts. I get my prescriptions with Braille labels on
the bottles; however, I have seen where they support script-talk as
well.


On 3/11/23, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
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> I'm shopping for a new pharmacy by month's end. There are several
> reasons why I'm not sure I want to go with CVS so am looking at other
> options. In particular I'm wondering whether anyone knows whether Amazon
> Pharmacy is supporting this kind of functionality? Another choice I see
> is Express Scripts. I presume there should be a couple more. Any
> pointers much appreciated.
>
> Best,
>
> Janina
>
> M. Taylor writes:
>> Hi! It's your prescription talking."
>> Spoken RxT tells you which prescription you're holding and how to take
>> it.*
>> All you need is a smart tagged prescription and the CVS PharmacyR mobile
>> app.
>>
>> Just call your local CVS Pharmacy to sign up
>> Available now at a CVS Pharmacy location near you
>> What's Spoken Rx?
>> It's a smart tagged prescription label that works with our app to read
>> your
>> prescription information aloud in English or Spanish.  Created for blind
>> or
>> low-vision patients, Spoken Rx shares your prescription information
>> without
>> having to read the label.
>>
>> Hello Everyone,
>>
>> I have been wanting to post about this marvelous free resource for quite
>> some time.
>>
>> Recently, Ricky Enger did a Hadley sponsored podcast on this new resource
>> and I want to make it available here.
>>
>> Below my signature, you will find the transcript of her latest podcast
>> discussing CVS's Spoken RX system.
>>
>> At the end of the transcript, you will find the link to the original
>> article
>> from which you may listen to the audio version of the interview.
>>
>> Spoken Rx is a huge step in the right direction in terms of a mainstream
>> resource providing critical prescription medication information in an
>> accessible format for the blind and low vision.
>>
>> Enjoy,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> An episode of the Hadley Presents: A Conversation with the Experts audio
>> podcast
>> Thursday, January 5, 2023
>>
>> Learn how CVS pharmacy customers throughout the US can access a free
>> service
>> that reads aloud prescription medication information.
>>
>> CVS Pharmacy: Spoken RX
>>
>> Presented by Ricky Enger
>>
>> Begin Transcript:
>> Ricky Enger: Welcome to Hadley Presents. I'm your host, Ricky Enger,
>> inviting you to sit back, relax, and enjoy a conversation with the
>> experts.
>> In this episode, we discuss the Spoken RX service from CVS Pharmacy, and
>> our
>> guest is Pharmacy Operations Manager, Lindsey Desrosiers. Welcome to the
>> show, Lindsey.
>>
>> Lindsey Desrosiers: Thank you, Ricky. So excited to be here.
>>
>> Ricky Enger: Yes, it is fantastic to have you as well. I can't wait to
>> dive
>> into our discussion today. But before we do that, why don't we just get a
>> little info about you. Tell us a bit about who you are and what you do at
>> CVS.
>>
>> Lindsey Desrosiers: Sure, gladly. I am a pharmacist by education and I
>> work
>> for CVS Pharmacy and particularly manage Spoken RX, which is an audible
>> label feature available at our CVS Pharmacy locations. I manage the
>> day-to-day operations for Spoken RX, which is very exciting work.
>>
>> Ricky Enger: That's fantastic. I can tell you really love what you do
>> with
>> Spoken RX, and actually we love it too here at Hadley. In fact, we've
>> created some workshops on how to go through the process of getting it set
>> up
>> and then, how to use Spoken Rx. And of course, those are going to be
>> available for free on the Hadley website, and we'll touch on that again a
>> little later. You've kind of alluded to this a bit in your intro, so
>> before
>> we really dive into talking about all the cool things about Spoken RX,
>> what
>> exactly is it?
>>
>> Lindsey Desrosiers: Yeah, of course. So Spoken RX is a breakthrough
>> feature
>> on our CVS pharmacy application and it reads prescription information
>> aloud
>> in English or Spanish. Spoken RX is an important aid for patients with
>> complete blindness, significant visual impairment, literacy or language
>> difficulties or dyslexia. It's available at no cost to patients, so
>> that's
>> very exciting that we have this in all our locations.
>>
>> Ricky Enger: Yeah, for sure.
>>
>> Lindsey Desrosiers: We worked very closely with the American Council of
>> the
>> Blind throughout the entire process. And they really provided some
>> valuable
>> input and feedback in both the development and testing of Spoken RX. So,
>> of
>> all the similar at home audible label readers that patients can use at
>> home,
>> this is really the first in-app prescription reader application to be
>> developed by a national retail pharmacy. It's very unique because it
>> directly connects to CVS's internal dispensing software in a way that can
>> read the radio frequency stickers to help eliminate difficulties in
>> differentiating and managing medication. Patients 

Re: Jump to Top of Web Page

[Yolanda Thompson]

Once you interact with a page then vo left arrow should do it. If you
are using a laptop then add the function key in.

On 1/6/23, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> Okay, I’ve not been able to figure this out. What is the key combination in
> VoiceOver to jump to the very top of a web page? Not the toolbar or side bar
> or tab bar — just the active web page itself.
>
> And is this the same for both Safari and Edge? Using Ventura OS.
>
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Re: Time Tracking

[Yolanda Thompson]

I have used Trelo and like it.

On 12/2/22, Brandon Olivares  wrote:
> Thanks, but no. I need an app to track time per client/project and task and
> keep a log of all time entries so they can be totaled up.
>
>> On Dec 3, 2022, at 12:15 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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>> Not sure if this is the type of thing you want, but the Clock app has a
>> Stopwatch function as well as a timer.
>>
>>> On Dec 2, 2022, at 23:13, Brandon Olivares 
>>> wrote:
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>>> Any time tracking recommendations for the Mac? I need something for my
>>> business where I want to track time for clients, just for personal
>>> reference so I know how much time I’m spending on each client.
>>>
>>> At my job we use Toggl but the web interface isn’t the most accessible,
>>> though the app isn’t bad.
>>>
>>> Any other suggestions?
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Re: Eloquence on Ventura

[Yolanda Thompson]

Great description of how to change the voice, Thank you so much

> On Oct 24, 2022, at 6:40 PM, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
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> No, but you do have to go into the table, I mean interact with it.  You go 
> into the utility like before.  Select speech in the VoiceOver utility.  Then 
> VO to the right till you see the table that says customize language list.  
> You have to interact with that table.  There is a popup button that you have 
> to VO space on.  The Eloquence voices are in an Eloquence submenu.  Let me 
> know if this is not enough information.  Mine came up speaking South African 
> and doing it very fast, which made it harder than usual for me to fix.  The 
> trick was to calm down and slow down.  Good luck.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 7:28 PM, Yolanda Thompson  wrote:
>> 
>> So, when I open VO utility, choose speech then the voices tab, I do
>> not see anything under that tab. Do I have to go through system
>> preferences to use a different voice?
>> 
>> TIA
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Eloquence on Ventura

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So, when I open VO utility, choose speech then the voices tab, I do
not see anything under that tab. Do I have to go through system
preferences to use a different voice?

TIA

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Re: Anyone know of an accessible air-fryer?

[Yolanda Thompson]

Yeah, I tried just the bump dots, but it is very touch sensitive so if
I had to hunt for the dot I would activate everything in between--the
reason for the dritz quilter's tape. But, as I said David does it with
nothing. 


On 8/15/22, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
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> Thanks!  I’m glad to know the app is accessible, seems like that would give
> you lots more options for controlling it.  I have dots around here
> somewhere, so I could just put one of those on the start button.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>
>> On Aug 15, 2022, at 6:51 AM, Yolanda Thompson  wrote:
>>
>> So, I got a Cassori Smart air-fryer made by vesync. While there is a
>> touch screen front, the app is totally accessible. Personally, I took
>> a piece of quilters tape and ran it from the bottom edge of the
>> display to the start button; however, David Andrews says he just uses
>> where he knows the start button is and hits it.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/15/22, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
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>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Does anyone know of an air-fryer that is accessible either out of the box
>>> or
>>> via an IOS app?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: Anyone know of an accessible air-fryer?

[Yolanda Thompson]

So, I got a Cassori Smart air-fryer made by vesync. While there is a
touch screen front, the app is totally accessible. Personally, I took
a piece of quilters tape and ran it from the bottom edge of the
display to the start button; however, David Andrews says he just uses
where he knows the start button is and hits it.



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> Does anyone know of an air-fryer that is accessible either out of the box or
> via an IOS app?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: Yale Norman L3.

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I do not know about the Yale, but the Schlegg app is accessible. We
have two of the locks and I do not experience problems accessing them.

On 7/16/22, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> Hi!
> I was thinking to get one of these smart door locks.
> They’re quite expensive but you can control them from your Iphone.
> But does anyone know if the app you’re using is accessible.
> I don’t want to buy something and then you can’t use it because the app is
> not accessible.
> Any thoughts?
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Re: Periodic Beep Is Back After Upgrade

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Interesting I have a refurbed 2020 m1 running monterey and I have to
use VO f2 twice quickly to bring up the window chooser.

On 5/28/22, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
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> Yes, forgot about pressing that combination twice in quick order.
>
> There was a legacy extension dialog. That reminds me that I've heard
> messages previously following upgrades, about some Oracle support due to
> be removed.
>
> Wonder whether this might be leftover from my playing around with
> Virtual Box? I can't think of anything else I've installed that was
> using Oracle anything.
>
> At least the annoyance is gone! That's paramount, so thanks for that.
>
> Janina
>
> Devin Prater writes:
>> Try pressing VO + F1 twice quickly to open the application windows menu,
>> and see if there are some system dialogs up.
>> Devin Prater
>> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
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>>
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>> On Sat, May 28, 2022 at 11:09 AM 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <
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>> > I updated my Intel Mac Mini to the latest Monterey this morning. I am
>> > getting that periodic beep-chime and I can't seem to get rid of it.
>> >
>> > VO+N tells me no notifications; and on a second press tells me no
>> > announcements.
>> >
>> > I'm flummoxed (and annoyed) yet again. Seems like some settings aren't
>> > honored on upgrades, as this was not the case pre upgrade.
>> >
>> > All suggestions much appreciated!
>> >
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Two Mac Questions, please

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When hosting a zoom meeting on the mac, VO comes through the
microphone. Is there a way to prevent this from happening?
Second, If I want to read from cursor to end of document, what is the
keyboard command to do so?
TIA Yolanda

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Re: OT: A bit of personal news

[Yolanda Thompson]

That is so awesome! Best of luck to you and a fantastic outcome!

On 4/4/22, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
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>
> Warning, this is a little long.  I’ve debated whether or not to share this
> with the list, but I’ve known many of you in this community for a long time
> now, so I thought I would, since it could potentially be of interest to
> others here who have my same visual condition.  If you don’t want to read,
> feel free to hit the delete key. :)
>
> Last fall, , National Public Radio did a story about a clinical trial that
> was being conducted using a new gene editing technique called CRISPR to
> treat Liber’s Congenital Amaurosis, which is the condition that caused my
> blindness.  Being an inquisitive sort, I decided to try and find out more.
> My cousin who works in genetics was able to track down the study, and I
> subsequently volunteered to be a participant.
>
> The whole story is long, but here’s a synopsis.  I went to Portland OR in
> November, where they had to do a genetic panel to make sure I was a match
> for the specific genetic mutation that they’re studying.  Shortly before
> Christmas, I received the news that I am in fact a match, and that I had
> been accepted for participation in the trial.  There followed a fair amount
> of pre-surgery stuff, such as having a congenital cataract removed in order
> to give the surgeon better access to my retina.  But all that is now done,
> and I leave on Wednesday for Portland.  The procedure will be performed on
> April 12.
>
> Crispr is pretty amazing stuff.  It has a lot of promise in a wide variety
> of applications that could make many people’s lives better.  My layperson’s
> explanation of it is that they will turn a tiny bot armed with scissors
> loose in my retina.  The bots’ job will be to cut out the malfunctioning
> area of the gene and mend it, so that the gene starts to produce the
> necessary proteins to send visual information to the brain.  Over time, this
> is expected to produce a gradual improvement in my vision.  For a more
> medically based explanation, you can check out this link:
> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41587-020-0493-4.
>
> I know that we all have different feelings about the “cure.”  As for me
> personally, I have never sought it out.  In fact, many who know me were
> surprised that I volunteered for the trial—to some extent, including myself.
> I do have some vision, and I do use the vision that I have, so I wouldn’t
> say no to any improvement, should that be the outcome.  But my primary
> motivation for volunteering was to help further the science, and whatever my
> personal outcome, I’m excited to be a part of that.  So far, none of the
> participants has had reason to go out and buy a new car, so, my expectation
> is that, while I may see better, the overall picture of my life won’t change
> that much.
>
>
> Though I do experience moments when I wonder if I’m certifiably insane for
> letting someone take a pair of pruning shears to my genes, I’m  optimistic
> and excited at the prospect of leaving this legacy for others who have LCA.
>
> If you’ve read all this, thanks for reading.  It is not currently my plan to
> send updates to the list, because it is off-topic and will not be of
> interest to everyone.  But if you want to be updated, let me know, and I can
> email you privately.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: Something very interesting I just learned about menus and VoiceOver

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Control is like a caret

On 4/4/22, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> My wife, who uses a Mac without VoiceOver because she can, pointed out
> something interesting today. Apparently, VO announces menu access
> shortcuts in a different order than the symbols are presented on the
> screen. For instance, in Mail, for Forward (on the Message menu) VO says
> Command-Shift-F, while the graphic shows the symbol for Shift first,
> then the pinwheel-like symbol for Command, then the F. In the thirteen
> years I've used VO with MacOS, starting with Leopard and then Snow
> Leopard, I've never known or noticed this. In fact, I've never bothered
> to learn the shapes of the graphic symbols for Shift (which I think is
> an up-pointing arrow), Command (the pinwheel), Option (which I think is
> a wavy line or lines), or Control (which I don't know at all). Would
> appreciate some confirmation and claraification on those. But isn't it
> interesting that VO reads them in a different order, which means it's
> not really reading anything at all--it's just reading the text from a
> symbols dictionary for certain things.
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Re: new iPhone

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You can choose to do it manually and input the code. That is what I did.


On 11/14/21, sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com  wrote:
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> Just purchased a 13 Pro Max. Let me tell you, transferring the data from my
> 8Plus is a pain. Took me forever to line up the pairing circles. Wish VO
> would give haptick feedback when you are lining them up. So far, I like the
> 13 pro max.
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Re: Smart locks that work with HomeKit?

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We have two schlegg smart locks. Trying to go to one or the other is a
bit tricky, but for the most part the app is VO friendly.

On 4/29/21, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
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> Huh! That's very different from our experience. We do have whatever the
> newest model is.  Maybe the company should have stayed with what worked.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>
>> On Apr 29, 2021, at 5:49 PM, Jeff Berwick 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I have never had an issue with the August app and it walks you through the
>> process.
>>
>> I din’t know about a proximity detector, so maybe my model is too old for
>> the new fancy stuff.
>>
>> All I had to do during the process—if I remember correctly—is lock/unlock
>> and open/close the door.
>>
>> The apps wizard walked me through the whole process.  Sometimes it failed,
>> but then I’d go through it a second time and it would be fine.
>>
>> It has been several years, so I appologise if I’m forgetting anything.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Apr 29, 2021, at 6:23 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>
>>> What did you have to do to get the August lock to work with HomeKit? We
>>> had a locksmith come out this afternoon. We can now manually lock and
>>> unlock the door with our phone, but the proximity sensor still doesn't
>>> work, and every time I try to get it to connect to the Home app, when I
>>> click Set up Homekit, I get taken to an Apple shopping page.
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
>>>
 On Apr 26, 2021, at 8:13 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

 My husband spent the entire afternoon trying to get it installed, and
 finally gave up.
 Cheers,
 Donna


> On Apr 26, 2021, at 8:02 PM, Jeff Berwick 
> wrote:
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> When I read the subject, I was prepared to recommend the August Smart
> Lock.  I have this and have never had any issues with it.
>
> I was a bit confused by the installation process, but once I had it
> installed it made sense to me.  It was pretty easy.
>
> My August lock is probably three or four years old, so perhaps they
> have changed the hardware/software?
>
> I know they have a new smaller version—which I am looking forward to
> getting at some point to replace my older larger model.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>> On Apr 26, 2021, at 6:38 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
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>> Hi all,
>>
>> Does anyone know of a smart lock that works with HomeKit on voiceover?
>> My husband and I just tried to install the August lock. It was
>> expensive it was a pain in the***, and it still doesn’t work. So,
>> looking for other alternatives.
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Unlocking phone with Apple Watch?

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Oh, it should have worked fine!.

On 4/27/21, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
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> Ha! I will try that. Wonder why it didn’t work when I had my mascon!
> Cheers,
> Donna
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 27, 2021, at 5:47 PM, Yolanda Thompson  wrote:
>>
>> So, once you have it setup in settings face id unlock with watch,
>> Cover your nose and mouth with your hand, then lift the phone. The
>> watch will vibrate, and state: "unlocked with watch" or something
>> close to that. I have done it, yes.
>>
>>> On 4/27/21, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>>>  wrote:
>>> Just wondering if anyone else has tried to do this yet? I just did,. My
>>> phone said "No face recognized" and my watch went completely silent. I
>>> saw
>>> no way to unlock the phone from my watch.
>>>
>>> Curious what others' experiences are.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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Re: Unlocking phone with Apple Watch?

[Yolanda Thompson]

So, once you have it setup in settings face id unlock with watch,
Cover your nose and mouth with your hand, then lift the phone. The
watch will vibrate, and state: "unlocked with watch" or something
close to that. I have done it, yes.

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> phone said "No face recognized" and my watch went completely silent. I saw
> no way to unlock the phone from my watch.
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Re: Orbit Writer And Apple Watch

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Yes you can. Set your Orbit up to BT through your settings menu in
mode. Then Go to your settings accessibility vision and tap Braille
the Orbit will show up. Tap on Orbit, and it will pair. Make sure you
are running Watch OS Version 7.2.

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The tutorial Recommendation from Andy: Fwd: Recomendations for books

[Yolanda Thompson]

This is the one I believe Andy is refering to:



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From: Andy 
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 23:46:15 +0100
Subject: Re: Recomendations for books
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

Hi Dolories.

Same author for sure, but my book is titled "Janet Ingber - Everything
You Need to Know to Use the Mac".  It's a great book, but
nevertheless, I'll check out your book title also.

All the best with your learning.

Andy.

Very best wishes and kind regards
Andy Logue.
>From Scotland with love.

  - Original Message -
  From: Dolores Myers
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Cc: Dolores Myers
  Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2017 9:24 PM
  Subject: Re: Recomendations for books


  Hello Andy,


  I just purchased a book by Janet Ingber from the National Braille
Press.  it is called Mac Basics for the Beginning User.  I really like
 it.  I bought the braille copy so I can read it while trying things
on the computer.   I’ve learned a lot from this book.  It will be a
great reference tool for me.  I don’’t know if we are talking about
the same book or not.
  Dolores

On Aug 27, 2017, at 12:10 PM, Andy  wrote:


Hi all.

In the past I've purchased 2 great books.  They may have been from
either, the National Braille Press or American Printhouse for the
Blind.  I can no longer rember.


The first book concerned my Iphone and was titled:
Getting Started with the iPhoneGetting Started with the iPhone
An Introduction for Blind Users
By Anna Dresner and Dean Martineau.

This was a great book and helped me a lot, back when I was using
my Iphone 4s.

I've since upgraded to the Iphone 6s and was wondering if there
was a more recent title by these two authours which would be more
appropriate for the Iphone 6s and subsequent upgrades to the operating
system, since then.

My second book, which I'm studying at the moment is also a
fantastic book.  It concerns My Imac and my Macbook pro and is titled:

Janet Ingber - Everything You Need to Know to Use the Mac


I'm loving this book so much that I hunger for more from this
particular author.

If anyone knows a link where I can purchase such titles, as txt
documents, I'd be delighted to know.

Thanks.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
From Scotland with Love.




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Re: Does anyone use the Dropbox desktop app on BAC? Having problems.

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Have you gone into preferences and told it to open in File Explorer?

On 9/6/20, Kevin Gibbs  wrote:
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>> I
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Decreasing the verbosity of VO during Zoom Meetings

[Yolanda Thompson]

We have a student using zoom on the mac to attend a lot of different
online conferences. He stays muted unless he wants to speak then he
holds down the spacebar and speaks and releases it when he is finished
talking. The issue which arises is VO gives the announcement abouted
being unmuted and has spoken longer than he has by the time he is
finished.

The question is:
Is there a way to decrease the verbosity of VO during zoom sessions so
he can avoid the nuisance status of his microphone?
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Re: Customer relationship Management software that is accessible with VoiceOver

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I am so sorry, I did a horrible job of communicating. Civi CRM works
with WordPress. It is not a stand-alone app.

On 6/24/20, John Panarese  wrote:
> I’m trying to find the Mac version, but it doesn’t seem to be easy to
> locate. If there is a Mac version, I am not finding it on their website.
>
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>> John,
>> I have not tried Civi CRM on the Mac, but I was just teaching it to a
>> blind person in the windows environment.
>>
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>>
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>>>Does anyone know of a CRM package for the Mac or iOS that is
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Re: Customer relationship Management software that is accessible with VoiceOver

[Yolanda Thompson]

John,
I have not tried Civi CRM on the Mac, but I was just teaching it to a
blind person in the windows environment.



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> Does anyone know of a CRM package for the Mac or iOS that is accessible
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> appreciated.
>
>
> Take Care
>
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Re: Audible

[Yolanda Thompson]

audible.com/access

On 9/20/19, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> I went to Audible on my Mac. can't find the accessible site. how do I get
> there? is it something I have to type in the address bar?
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Re: A very Strange keyboard issue

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Did you accidentally get one-handed mode turned on in settings?

On 6/28/19, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries
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> for no reason that I can think of, certain keys on the right side of my
> keyboard will not function. They were working fine one second, and then not
> the next. It doesn’t matter what keyboard I try to use, it’s still the same.
> I can’t seem to boot the Mac into recovery mode. I think I’m not using the
> right command sequence. Does anyone know if there is a setting or something
> that could be explaining this? The keys that don’t work are The letters on
> the right hand side. This is my best guess, based on how  the keyboard is
> functioning.
>
> Thanks for any help anyone might have.
>
> Kristeen
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Re: VoiceOver Compliant CRM's

[Yolanda Thompson]

Civi Crm is doable.  You have to be an advanced screen reader user to
manage the backstructure, but it can be done.  The national NFB uses
civi crm.  It is also open source so free.

On 8/8/18, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Generally QuickBooks is not considered CRM in my view. It is more of an
> accounting suite.
>
> The difference being that CRM are designed to keep track of who is
> interested in what and figuring out ways to increase sales.
>
> A accounting package is focused more on making sure you properly track
> income and expense and tax liability. Some accounting packages also maintain
> inventory controls.
>
> QuickBooks does have a accessibility officer who is fairly active on the
> social media and at NFB/ACB meetings. They have also teamed up with AIRA to
> help small businesses like yours where the owner is blind to provide free
> guided service as needed. I don’t know the specifics, but it was discussed
> at this years NFB meeting.
>
> A competitor of QuickBooks, Account Edge was not very accessible when I
> tried it 4 years ago, but I have not tried recently. Also, QuickBooks has an
> online version that try to use web accessibility standards, so that might be
> a first place to look.
>
> Generally these companies will give you a free trial of their software since
> they expect a good return on license fees as long as your happy with them on
>  an ongoing basis.
>
> Hopefully this message isn’t too rambling, I need to do my lunch errands and
> then get back to work!
>
>
>> On Aug 8, 2018, at 12:24 PM, Des Delgadillo 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I’m wondering if anyone here has experience with CRM, Customer
>> Relationship Management, software like QuickBooks or InToIt. I’m growing
>> my small copywriting business and need something to help me keep track of
>> the invoices. Right now I’m just using a standard invoicing Google
>> template, but with more clients I’m looking to make this as streamlined a
>> process as I can.
>>
>> I don’t have any issues spending money on a program like QuickBooks but I
>> want to make sure it’s accessible before I pull the trigger.
>>
>> Can anyone share some advice with me on this? Alternatively, is there any
>> blog posts or anything that may offer some insight?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>>
>> Desmond Delgadillo
>> Freelance Content Writer
>> m:   562-652-3415
>> e:   desdelgadi...@gmail.com 
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Re: Electronic faxing.

[Yolanda Thompson]

So, most fax programs have an area where you can add relevant text.
Could you add it there, or in the subject line?

On 4/21/18, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> Ok, I have several questions about this, sense I actually had no idea you
> could do this until someone from work told me about them and that there are
> free apps to do it.  Sense I don’t have a printer with fax capibility and
> don’t want to invest in a phone line simply to send a fax once or twice a
> month to social security, I’d really like to try this, but have no idea how
> it works, especially sense the pay stubs I fax from the city are paper, and
> have to have labels put on them before faxing that contain where they’re
> coming from, my social security number, and I can’t remember exactly what
> else.  However, I’m thinking of leaving there, for multiple reasons, one of
> them being that I now have a work from home job, and it’s becoming too much
> for me to try to manage both of them.
>   With all that aside, I have no idea how to label the pay stubs I receive
> from my second job electronicly, sense they’re in pdf form, and was told I’d
> have to have something like Adobe pro, which I’ve never used, only acrobat
> reader, which I’ve slowly learned to dispise.  Can someone please explain to
> me the in’s and out’s of how this whole process works?
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Re: iRobot iPhone app

[Yolanda Thompson]

So we have had our Neato about 1 week.  It is pattern driven, where as
the IRobot just kinda goes round and round bouncing off of things.
The app is all accessible, except for (of course) the map.  Initial
setup you will need sighted assistance to read the front panel.
Everything else is very doable.

On 7/25/17, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> I just have a human cleaner to do my stuff for me as I can't afford an I
> phone robot.  Also I would be scared in case my guide dog took a disliking
> to it as she would bark and growl!  I just pay my cleaner once a month and
> she does it all and I don't know how much an I phone robot would cost and
> what would happen if the robot didn't get paid, would it go on strike or
> faign a broken parts?
>
> Kawal.
>> On 25 Jul 2017, at 14:26, Scott Granados 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Bed Bath and Beyond is a US store that sells oddly enough home goods.:)
>>
>>> On Jul 25, 2017, at 4:33 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>>
>>> So that is what in USA dollars or euros?
>>>
>>> And bed bath and beyond  what part of the world are you in?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarai Bucciarelli
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 25 July 2017 3:29 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: iRobot iPhone app
>>>
>>> $200 between the 960 and 980. $200 between the 880 and 960.
>>> Bed Bath and Beyond is the best place to get one, especially if you use
>>> one of their 20% off coupons.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Partain
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:02 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: iRobot iPhone app
>>>
>>> So what's the price difference?
>>> Rhonda
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarai Bucciarelli
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:53 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: iRobot iPhone app
>>>
>>> Hi:
>>> Me too, have a guidedog that is a cross, and 2 long hair cats. Acording
>>> to the review, they work great on dog hair. The 880. 890, 960, and 980
>>> got the best reviews in regards to dog hairs. The 690 did okay in the dog
>>> hair reviews. The 800 and 900 have different technology where the hair
>>> doesn't get caught in the rollers. I just haven't decided on which to
>>> try. The 900 series have the longest battery life.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Partain
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 6:04 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: iRobot iPhone app
>>>
>>> What about dog hair? I have a guide dog a golden retriever who sheds  a
>>> pound of hair per day!!! Well, it's a lot.
>>> Rhonda
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 6:51 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: iRobot iPhone app
>>>
>>> They work very well.
>>>
>>> Especially for keeping maintenance after a deep cleaning.
>>>
>>>
 On Jul 23, 2017, at 6:27 PM, Rhonda Partain 
 wrote:

 Wow! You can control the irobot  vacuum cleaner with your phone? That
 would be so greatbut do they work well? After all, they are  kind of
 expensive?
 Rhonda

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 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroupscom] On Behalf Of Sarai Bucciarelli
 Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 5:44 PM
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 Subject: iRobot iphone app

 Hi:
 Has anyone tried the Roombas with the iPHone app? Are they accessible?
 Is the Roomba worth it?

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Re: Refreshable Braille devices?

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Baum USA is the seller.

On 7/25/17, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> Hi!
> I chime in here and aggree with Mary.
> The varioUltra is one of the best displays out there in my opinion.
> I have never had so good support from any blindness related manufaturer as
> from Baum.
> They are really aware of theire customers.
> Maybe handytech can compair to them but not many others.
> /A
>> 24 juli 2017 kl. 16:36 skrev Mary Otten :
>>
>> If you don't want the full blown capability of a very expensive blindness
>> note taker, such as the new Polaris, you might consider the varrio ultra.
>> That has the ability to transfer files with a USB stick. And it also has
>> note taking capability. It has an excellent warranty. Some people also
>> find it more complicated than the traditional regular braille displays
>> such as the edge. They do have excellent US customer support, as well as
>> an online manual, and an active helpful email list. This display comes in
>> 20 or 40 sell links. It has a text reader, word processor, PDF reader,
>> spreadsheet viewer and others. What it does not have our things like the
>> ability to fetch email or connect to the Internet. That is where you would
>> need the full note taker, but then you're also going to be paying a whole
>> lot more. And if you're good with your iPhone and your Mac, really, who
>> needs that?
>> Mary
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 24, 2017, at 3:08 AM, Caitlyn Furness > > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> Personally, I love any of the Hims devices, so these are things like the
>>> new polaris and the U2, braille sense line of products.  The braille is
>>> nice and crisp, and the devices themselves are just very well made.
>>>
>>> I can’t speak about anything made by humanware except the brilliant, but
>>> that’s a full sized display and doesn’t have the capability to store
>>> files, just access what’s on the computer when you are hooked up to it.
>>>
>>> I think the braille edge from Hims also works somewhat like a braille
>>> note taker, but am not sure on that.
>>>
>>> I’ve had no troubles getting files from the mac onto the braille sense.
>>> when I attach it to my mac with a USB cable, the device comes up like any
>>> other drive, and I can copy and paste things from one to the other,
>>> although it takes a long time.  Of course, you can also use a usb stick
>>> to transfer files, or the sd card.
>>>
>>> HTH, and I’ll be interested to see what others have to say on this as
>>> well!
>>>
>>> Cait
>>>
 On Jul 23, 2017, at 6:26 PM, Sarah Amelia Sackville McLauchlan
 > wrote:

 Hi all!

 So am looking for some advice/guidance before I go out and start
 applying for assistive tech grant money.  I used to use the BrailleNote,
 but mine died a long time ago.  And even before it did, I was starting
 to run into compatibility issues between it, the program I used to
 transfer files to my old computer (a PC in those days), and the computer
 itself.  Plus, of course, I've since switched to Mac, which I don't
 think my BrailleNote was compatible with anyway.  So now I'm without a
 Braille device!  But I really want to get another one.  What's
 compatible with Mac, though?

 Basically, what I'm looking for would be a portable, refreshable Braille
 device that I can easily transfer files to from my computer and back.
 Because, although I might use it for writing sometimes, what I'd mainly
 be using it for is reading.  For example, I'd use it to read my papers
 when I present at conferences, or my poetry/fiction at reading events.
 Though, I might use it for private reading too.  So are there devices in
 the Mac compatible world that will allow me to do that?

 Anyway, thanks.  :-) I figured that, if anyone would know, it'd be folks
 here!

 www.phantomfemme.com 
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Re: Weather Underground

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I know I will get in trouble for thanking you, but thank you!  I had
written them so long ago concerning needs for fixes, and never heard a
thing.

On 4/26/17, E.T.  wrote:
> Update. The braille version of the site is now back to normal as of
> today plus they fixed a date issue I had brought to their attention 2-3
> years ago and reminded them in my recent contact with them.
>
> It pays to make noise (with respect).
>
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
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Re: how to calculate several cells in a row

[Yolanda]

On the =a1: f1) there was not an open ( shown shouldn't it be =sum(a: f:)?

On 12/27/2014 4:19 PM, Kevin Shaw wrote:

Two ways:

=A1+B1+C1 or =A1+D1+F1 if they’re non-contiguous.
Or, =SUMA1:F1) if the block of cells is contiguous.

the same will work for columns or an array.

Kevin
On Dec 27, 2014, at 5:49 PM, Scott Berry sb356...@gmail.com wrote:


Hello there again,

How do I add several cells together in a formula?

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Re: Any health accessible apps anybody can advise?

[Yolanda]

On 11/13/2014 4:04 AM, Daniela Rubio wrote:

Hello!
As part of a project to sensibilice developers to create accessible 
apps and content, next week I am participating in a conference for 
medical apps.
I think that there is a big potential for apps and gadgets related to 
health to be accessible for all users, but it has not been taken into 
account as it should.
can anybody recommend apps or gadgets that can work correctly with 
VoiceOver, so we can show them as an example of accessibility in this 
field?

I would appreciate your help very much.
Thanks in advanced.
Best

Daniela Rubio T
iPhone: +34662328507




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I use Motionx and whithings.  Motion X is very accessible.

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Re: Big news for all Microsoft Office and or iOS fans!

[Yolanda]

Really?  I was unable to get text into the edit field without it trying 
to make me subscribe.  Am I doing something wrong?


On 11/7/2014 3:49 PM, Christopher Hallsworth wrote:

Hi all
Yes, Microsoft Office is now available for iPhone, iPod Touch and iPad 
at a right price, absolutely free! You can download the individual 
apps Word, Excel and PowerPoint right now from your nearest App Store. 
Best of all, it is very, very accessible! I tried both Word and Excel 
and can get the basics at least done with full VoiceOver support! I 
congratulate Microsoft on their efforts, and hope they keep it this 
way and is a good sign for things to come, such as an accessible 
Office for OS X.

Enjoy!



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Re: Talking bath scale

[Yolanda]

The Withings scale does.  Need sighted assistance to do the initial 
setup though.


On 10/18/2014 11:29 AM, The Believer wrote:
   Is there a talking bath scale that can interface with either the 
Mac or iPhone?


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 . . . what if it were true?
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Re: Talking bath scale

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On 10/18/2014 3:57 PM, The Believer wrote:
Which model do you have? Just looked on Amazon and there is the WS30 
and WS50. And where is sighted help needed, on the iPhone or on the 
scale itself? And once its setup, no problem? Thanks, this sounds like 
a good product.


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ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 10/18/2014 2:34 PM, Yolanda wrote:

The Withings scale does.  Need sighted assistance to do the initial
setup though.

On 10/18/2014 11:29 AM, The Believer wrote:

   Is there a talking bath scale that can interface with either the
Mac or iPhone?

From The Believer. . .
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ancient.ali...@icloud.com





Here is the webpage, the one we have is just the black body scale, but 
noticed there is a newer model listed on the page for less.  Been two 
years, but I think it was the setup between the scale and website.  
However the healthmate app is accessible. Here is the link to the one we 
have, and the newer is listed further on that page:


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002JE2PSA/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8psc=1

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Re: Apple iOS 8 update cripples phones. How to fix it.

[Yolanda]

VO reboots itself constantly with 8.02 on my 4s.

On 9/28/2014 7:03 PM, Jessica Moss wrote:
Have you ever had the issue of voiceover constantly turning on and 
off?  Mine does that a lot, but could just be because I'm running an 
older model, but it drives me up the wall, mainly because I don't know 
that it's shut off, and I'm just moving around the screen thinking the 
phone froze up, and then hear voiceover on, and it sometimes does 
this periodicly.
On Sep 28, 2014, at 7:16 AM, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net 
mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:


Apple never mentions Voice Over in any of the fixes.  The only thing 
to do is watch this space to see what others of us find out.  My 
answer is, not that I can tell.



Sincerely,
the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the 
blind built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus!


On Sep 28, 2014, at 1:01 AM, Shannon Gerdts bambam...@gmail.com 
mailto:bambam...@gmail.com wrote:



Hello,
So does the latest update to IOS 8, being 8.02, fix the bugs 
with voiceover as well?  I'm curious as I've yet to update to the 
IOS 8 platform because of the bugs it has.  I didn't see voiceover 
mentioned on the list of bugs that it says it addresses so that is 
why I'm curious since I'm sure there is a number of bugs that it 
didn't bullet point out on the details of the update.

Take care,
Shannon Gerdts
*From:* Ray Foret Jr mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net
*Sent:* Friday, September 26, 2014 8:22 AM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

*Subject:* Re: Apple iOS 8 update cripples phones. How to fix it.
Last night, Apple released IOS8.0.2 which fixes the issue.  So, this 
is actually already outdated.

Sincerely,
the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the 
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On Sep 26, 2014, at 7:29 AM, DD dandun...@gmail.com 
mailto:dandun...@gmail.com wrote:




http://www.csmonitor.com/layout/set/text/Innovation/Tech/2014/0925/Apple-iOS-8-update-cripples-phones.-How-to-fix-it.-video


XB

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Re: Another bug in BARD Mobile

[Yolanda]

I have the same problem with bard and ios 8.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 22, 2014, at 11:33 AM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Gigi,
 
 That's really strange. I have a 5S2, and have neither of those problems. I 
 can type in the search field and bring up the letters to select.  The one 
 thing I have noticed is that for some reason it often jumps up to the top of 
 the page so I have to use the three finger swipe up to page down to get back 
 to the search Fields. Hope that helps!
 Best,
 Donna
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 22, 2014, at 12:27 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 hi there
 I have a 5S iPhone, and whenever I go to tap on the search Fields for 
 finding books, it will not call off the search field. And you know those 
 buttons were you can choose the letters to search under, it won't let me 
 call of those either. I went to theApp switcher, and closed BARD Mobile. 
 Then I restarted my iPhone, and that didn't help either. Any other ideas?
 Gigi
 
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 On Sep 22, 2014, at 12:22 PM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Gigi
 
 I'm not sure what you're seeing. I'm not seeing this problem, I have no 
 problem searching for and downloading books.
 Best,
 Donna
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 22, 2014, at 11:42 AM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi guys
 I have discovered another unfortunate bug in BARD Mobile and iOS 8. If you 
 go to get books, and then choose Bard website, and then decide you want to 
 search for books, you can't do it at all.none of the search Fields will 
 open no matter how many times I double tap on them. This includes the 
 other options like the combo boxes.
 Sincerely,
 Gigi
 
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Re: BARD Mobile with IOS 8

[Yolanda]

The search box quit working for me on my iPhone 4s and my iPad mini.


On 9/20/2014 6:14 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
Yeah, had it crash on me last night while downloading books too. 
 Otherwise, it seems to work well enough.



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Hi guys
Have any of you had trouble with BARD Mobile with IOS 8? I was doing 
fine, except when I was doing a download. Twice when I was 
downloading books, I got thrown out of the app and into the home 
screen. I had to start over, and when I went back into BARD Mobile, 
it was not into the Get Books option. So, I had to go back to Get 
Books. The good news was that it had already selected the ones I 
wanted to download, so I didn't have to start over and choose the 
ones I wanted. I haven't figured out the pattern of exactly when this 
happens, but it is annoying. I have a 5 s with 64 whatever of memory. 
I still have room left, so that is not the problem.


Gigi


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Re: Is there a good typing tutor for the mac?

[Yolanda]

There is one in its finishing touches called Keystroke.  As soon as it 
is accepted by apple the list will be notified.


On 9/8/2014 3:47 PM, Bill Holton wrote:


Any help appreciated.

Bill

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Re: Capitalone 360 app

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Nope is not accessible in windows or osx.

On 3/9/2014 11:31 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:

Wow! That is ridiculous! Thank you for the help. I cannot transfer via there 
web site b/c it isn't accessible.
On Mar 8, 2014, at 8:25 PM, Yolanda ylt...@gmail.com wrote:


Ok, this is how I have found to make it work.  When you have the screen up with 
the from and to buttons, do the to button first.  The issues with both is as 
soon as you flick up on the ticker, the screen refreshes and so you have to 
flick right again to the ticker, and do this until you get to the account you 
want to transfer to.  Then go back and tap on the from button, and it will 
behave the same way the to button just did. If you click the from button first 
it will never work.
HTH
Yolanda

On 3/8/2014 4:33 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:

Hi guys:
Can anyone figure out how to use VO and pick and account to transfer money to 
and from using the Capitalone360 iOS app? I doubletap the pop up and use one 
finger to flick but am having no luck. Even tried double tap and hold on the 
second tap with no luck.


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Re: Capitalone 360 app

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Ok, this is how I have found to make it work.  When you have the screen 
up with the from and to buttons, do the to button first.  The issues 
with both is as soon as you flick up on the ticker, the screen refreshes 
and so you have to flick right again to the ticker, and do this until 
you get to the account you want to transfer to.  Then go back and tap on 
the from button, and it will behave the same way the to button just did. 
If you click the from button first it will never work.

HTH
Yolanda

On 3/8/2014 4:33 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:

Hi guys:
Can anyone figure out how to use VO and pick and account to transfer money to 
and from using the Capitalone360 iOS app? I doubletap the pop up and use one 
finger to flick but am having no luck. Even tried double tap and hold on the 
second tap with no luck.



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Re: My Number 1 IPhone App

[Yolanda]

You can get 50 for 4.99, it is a very reasonable service, and they are a 
business.


On 2/27/2014 7:09 PM, Robert C wrote:
Since its handled by rwal live humans, its worth the cost. Too many 
oeople were using taptapsee for entertainment.


   Unless its changed, one can get 100 photos for 7.99 ulimited, 
meaning its good until you have used the 100. No time limit.


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On 2/27/2014 5:49 PM, Jessica Moss wrote:
I wish they didn't charge for it either, I love the fact that it 
tells you what's in a photo, but can use camfind for identifying 
packages and the like, so don't use it much anymore, so have only 
payed for 1 month's subscription, which I used 1 time, and had no 
idea had run out until this afternoon, so am now frustrated that I 
wasted that much money for it.

On Feb 27, 2014, at 4:14 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:

It does cost but I find it to be worth it. When you think of what it 
provides, the value is there for everyone.


KDM
On Feb 27, 2014, at 3:56 PM, Randy George george.ra...@gmail.com 
wrote:



Too bad you only get a limited amount of uses before they charge you.

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kdmattin...@gmail.com wrote:


It has to be TapTapSee. It just works and besides being useful, it 
is fun too.


KDM

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Re: Amazon Prime is it worth it and are the videos accessible

[Yolanda]

I've subscribed to Amazon prime for 3 years now, and would not change a 
thing, I have more than paid for my prime with all the shipping costs 
exceeding the amount prime costs if I had chosen 2 day shipping.



Yolanda

On 12/27/2013 12:47 PM, Brian Fischler wrote:

Hey all,

I don't buy a lot but do buy almost everything through Amazon, and recently 
paid for two day shipping, yeah I guess I am impatient when I want something. I 
wanted to see if the people who are using Amazon Prime are liking it and felt 
it was worth it. I think the shipping alone might make it worth it, but wanted 
to see if the Amazon Instant Video was accessible on the iPhone, as I have read 
conflicting reports. I know Amazon Instant Video doesn't offer any of their 
titles with described video, but did want to see if the app works with VO. 
Also, I thought I read that you can also get one book a month from the Kindle 
lending group. Are people finding a wide variety of choices in this group, or 
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Re: Amazon Prime is it worth it and are the videos accessible

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I've been watching them on my iPhone and instant prime app works fine with
VO
On 12/27/2013 1:20 PM, Jenny Wood wrote:

Hi there.  I have had Amazon prime now for around two years, and it has been worth every penny for 
the shipping alone.  However, I have also recently begun watching many Amazon videos, which I also 
enjoy as a benefit of the prime membership.  As to the accessibility of the videos, I can't really 
say.  I have been watching them via the Kindle Fire HDX, where I can tell you they are definitely 
very accessible, but can't speak to Ios, windows or the mac.  Perhaps I will give it a try on my 
iPhone or macbook pro today and get back to you.  I have also taken advantage of the kindle 
lending library, but to the best of my knowledge, you can only borrow kindle 
books from a kindle device.

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Hey all,

I don't buy a lot but do buy almost everything through Amazon, and recently 
paid for two day shipping, yeah I guess I am impatient when I want something. I 
wanted to see if the people who are using Amazon Prime are liking it and felt 
it was worth it. I think the shipping alone might make it worth it, but wanted 
to see if the Amazon Instant Video was accessible on the iPhone, as I have read 
conflicting reports. I know Amazon Instant Video doesn't offer any of their 
titles with described video, but did want to see if the app works with VO. 
Also, I thought I read that you can also get one book a month from the Kindle 
lending group. Are people finding a wide variety of choices in this group, or 
does it really just consist of books you would never read. Thanks.

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Re: Amazon Prime is it worth it and are the videos accessible

[Yolanda]

I do use the prime instant video app, and I have found it to be accessible.

On 12/27/2013 1:17 PM, Brian Fischler wrote:

Thanks Yolanda, do you use the instant video service and is it accessible on 
the iPhone? Thanks
On Dec 27, 2013, at 2:58 PM, Yolanda ylt...@gmail.com wrote:


I've subscribed to Amazon prime for 3 years now, and would not change a thing, 
I have more than paid for my prime with all the shipping costs exceeding the 
amount prime costs if I had chosen 2 day shipping.


Yolanda

On 12/27/2013 12:47 PM, Brian Fischler wrote:

Hey all,

I don't buy a lot but do buy almost everything through Amazon, and recently 
paid for two day shipping, yeah I guess I am impatient when I want something. I 
wanted to see if the people who are using Amazon Prime are liking it and felt 
it was worth it. I think the shipping alone might make it worth it, but wanted 
to see if the Amazon Instant Video was accessible on the iPhone, as I have read 
conflicting reports. I know Amazon Instant Video doesn't offer any of their 
titles with described video, but did want to see if the app works with VO. 
Also, I thought I read that you can also get one book a month from the Kindle 
lending group. Are people finding a wide variety of choices in this group, or 
does it really just consist of books you would never read. Thanks.


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Re: fusion and windows iso

[Yolanda]

When I set w7 up on my machine I just used an iso.

On 11/30/2013 3:38 PM, Caitlyn and Maggie wrote:

Ok, so, can I just use this iso mounted as a volume to my desktop, or do I have 
to burn it?
Cait

On Nov 30, 2013, at 2:54 PM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:


An ISO is a type of disc image that a CD or DVD is made from. Some applications 
allow you to mount them directly without burning them to a disc. Many websites 
offer downloads of ISo files to burn onto discs, such as Linux operating 
systems, movies and such.

Hth,
Teresa

On the other hand, there are different fingers.

On Nov 30, 2013, at 11:49 AM, don bishop w6...@donbishop.org wrote:


Hi,
Please escuse my ignorance, but what is an iso?
Thanks,
Don



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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 30, 2013 6:46 am
Subject: fusion and windows iso



Hi,
I have an ISO of win 7 and want to use that to install windows 7 in fusion...

How do I go about this?  I really don't want to have to burn it to a dvd if I 
don't have to!

thanks in advance!
Caitlyn

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Re: fusion and windows iso

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It has been a while since I have done it, but during the ISO process, 
you get a key.  I was setting up someone's machine for them and they did 
not have internet, so I chose that option from the choices, and the key 
was provided on screen.

HTH

On 11/30/2013 4:53 PM, don bishop wrote:

Hi,
I assume you get the .iso from microsoft as they appear to be free downloads.  
Do you need some sort of authorization key to activate it?  If so, where can I 
locate it.  I still have a pc running windows 7.
Thanks,
Don



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Date: Saturday, November 30, 2013 3:09 pm
Subject: Re: fusion and windows iso



Hey Kaitlyn. When I installed Windows 7 onto my Mac, I just told Fusion
to use the Iso file that was located in my downloads folder. So the
answer to your question is no, you don't have to burn it onto a DVD.

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Re: has anyone been able to return audible books successfully with voice over?

[Yolanda]

I have not been able to do it with VO.
On 9/23/2013 11:45 AM, Laura ann Grymes wrote:

you can do it on line easily.

go to library and then click on link saying didn't like last book you listened 
to?
click here to return it and follow the prompts.
Laura Ann

On Sep 23, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:


I normally write an e-mail to Customer Services at Audible as it's simple to 
do, phone number, address and reason why you want to return the book.
On 23 Sep 2013, at 17:00, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi list.

the subject line says it all.  I was trying to return a book I bought in error 
and had some trouble using voice over.  I ended up writing to customer service 
and they did it for me.  They then proceded to send me instructions on how to 
do it. I was doing it correctly but when clicking on the return link with vo 
nothing seemed to happen.  Is anyone getting this to work or are there any work 
arounds?  If not perhaps we should write to audible and see if they can address 
the problem?

thanks
Blessings!
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Re: Mac Mini without a screen

[Yolanda]

On 9/14/2013 9:25 AM, Aman Singer wrote:

Yes, Ricardo, it is very helpful and I am most grateful. The information is 
exactly what I needed.
Aman

On 2013-09-14, at 8:58 AM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi Aman,

I had a friend disconnect her monitor and things went down hill very quickly. 
lol.  This is indeed with the latest 2012 Mac mini by the way.  Overall 
sluggishness throughout the OS and Voiceover went on a busy rampage.  All was 
well when the monitor was reconnected.

hth

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:57 PM, Aman Singer aman.sin...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi, Paul, Ricardo, and all.
This is exactly the information I'm after: what does the Mac Mini,
latest edition, do when there is no monitor at all?
Thanks.
Aman

On 9/13/13, Paul Erkens paul.erk...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Richard,

No I've got a slightly older one.

Paul.
On Sep 11, 2013, at 10:17 AM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi,

Are you using the 2012 Mac mini?  I ask because I’ve seen some others
report that they don’t have this issue with the newest Mac mini’s from
2012.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Sep 11, 2013, at 4:10 AM, Paul Erkens paul.erk...@gmail.com wrote:


Aman,

I don't have bootcamp experiences but without a monitor plugged in, my
mini is very slow, saying it's busy busy busy all the time, especially in
safari. I hooked up a very old VGA monitor and now the busy's are over.
An alternative is to buy a miniport to ntsc converter, but I have none of
those. But without anything attached, it's going to be looking for a
monitor all the time, being busy busy.

Hth,
Paul.
On Sep 11, 2013, at 2:26 AM, Aman Singer aman.sin...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi, all.
This issue comes up here every once in a while, indeed, I think I
may have brought it up myself, but I don't think I've ever seen it
discussed
about the newest Mac Mini. I would like to use the Mac Mini without a
monitor plugged in. Will this work with the newest unit? Further, will
it
have any issue running without a monitor under Windows using Bootcamp?
Thanks.
Aman


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I just connected a converter to mine so it thinks there is a monitor.  
Sure makes the mini portable.


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Re: accessible efficient msp-supporting mud client for os x?

[Yolanda]

On 7/26/2013 8:08 PM, Anouk Radix wrote:

Hi everyone,
When i was a mac user a few years ago there did not seem to be any accessible 
mud clients for the mac. Has this changed at this time? Are there any clients 
that support mcp and msp?
Greetings, Anouk,


iMud does, I use it all of the time.

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Re: Docuscan and twane scanners?

[Yolanda Thompson]

I use it with an epson v33 flatbed.

On 7/17/13, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote:
 Hi,  Is any one using docuscan with a standard flat bed scanner?

 Thanks,

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Re: iMud, the accessible MUD client

[Yolanda]

On 6/20/2013 8:39 PM, Tyler wrote:


An update for those of you who are still interested in the project. I 
am waiting on apple to allow apps written in OSX 10.9 to be allowed in 
to the app store (with no idea of when that will happen), iMud has 
however, been copyrighted and I’ve spoken with several mud owners who 
are looking forward to it’s launch in the app store (dentin from Alter 
Aeon included)



All that being said I’ve got sort of a general question for anybody 
(whether you beta tested or not) I’ve recently added MSP support to 
iMud but I know having sounds played while the screen reader is 
reading may be distracting. So the question is should MSP (or the Mud 
Sound Protocol) be ON or OFF by default?



It is easily accessed through the preferences menu either way, but 
knowing how most users have reacted to iMud so far I can say some 
people may find it confusing that the mud is playing sounds (if they 
haven’t read the docs or checked the preferences).



So, if you have any, let me know what your thoughts are about it, MSP 
on or off by default?




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Since they are easily turned off through a preference menu I think the 
default of on would be the best choice.


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Re: VMWare Fusion for $15 (plus shipping)

[Yolanda]

On 6/17/2013 9:12 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
I'd be interested to know how windows via fusion runs on a Mac Book 
Air. I'm wondering if its a little under powered for the job, or what 
upgrade specs on the air would be needed to do the job right.


BTW: I don't know why you'd be sad to say to have JAWs, In my 
opinion, its one of the very best screen readers out there - certainly 
for use with MS Office programs it can't be beat for accessibility. 
Its main drawback is its cost, and that its produced by an evil 
corporation.


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Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: VMWare Fusion for $15 (plus shipping)


I plan to do the same on my Mini, but start fresh on my business Air. 
The Mini will have NVDA and all my programs, while the Air will (I'm 
sad to say) have Jaws, plus assorted programs for demonstrating to 
clients. This will be a good way to see the differences between the 
two methods.

On Jun 16, 2013, at 11:01 PM, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com wrote:

Alex, I just ordered the Fusion5 DVD from Dell. Nothing like a fire 
sale to get you moving on a project. Looks like we'll be comparing 
outcomes - I plan to use the existing bootcamp partion from Fusion5.



- Original Message - From: Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: VMWare Fusion for $15 (plus shipping)


Yes, here's the link again. This is why I wish people would include 
the original message in replies...
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=usl=ens=bsdcs=04sku=A6502528dgc=SScid=261927lid=4738769acd=12309177348460817 


On Jun 16, 2013, at 9:59 PM, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com wrote:

Alex, please let us/me know what you find. I'm in the market for 
VMWare Fusion too, and this price will get me off the fence if its 
the correct product. Where did you say you found it? Dell.com?


- Original Message - From: Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com
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Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: VMWare Fusion for $15 (plus shipping)


It states that it is for OS10. I don't know why they are selling 
it, but I'm trying it out.

On Jun 16, 2013, at 6:04 PM, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com wrote:

What's Dell doing selling a MAC version of VMWare? Of course, I 
know little about these things, but could that be a PC-based 
version of VMWare fusion? Will it run on a MAC?


- Original Message - From: Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 3:53 PM
Subject: VMWare Fusion for $15 (plus shipping)



Hi all,
Fusion is normally $50 i believe, but Dell has a DVD of the 
program for only $15! I don't know if this is a sale and, if so, 
how long it will last, so if you need Fusion (as I do), go grab 
it now! Here is the link:
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=usl=ens=bsdcs=04sku=A6502528dgc=SScid=261927lid=4738769acd=12309177348460817 




Have a great day,
Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
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Have a great day,
Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)

Re: Ideas for games?

[Yolanda]

On 5/20/2013 11:57 AM, Søren Jensen wrote:

Hi Michael.

Sounds really great.
If you are thinking about multiplayer games, a pack of sports games would be 
really awesome.
If you are thinking about single player games, Angry birds would be amazing. 
I'm not sure about what those games are about, but they must be very addicting. 
:)
If you haven't already done so, I'll highly recommend you to send the same 
message on the audio games forum at:
www.audiogames.net
There are many people who are really great when it comes to giving great 
feedback.
I look very much forward to hear more about this project.
Best regards:
Søren Jensen
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Den 20/05/2013 kl. 18.39 skrev Michael Babcock michael.babcoc...@gmail.com:


Ladies and gentlemen,
I am proud to announce that I have currently hired a team of application 
developers to create the next accessible great game! Now is your opportunity to 
have your own input, and help create one of the new, and exciting games for the 
blind, visually impaired, and sided communities alike!
I understand that there are presently audio games out there, and they work 
fairly nicely! However, I am looking to create a application that as I stated 
the blind, visually impaired, and siding can all participate in and enjoy at 
the same time!
Could you guys please throw around a few ideas for games that you one of mine 
playing on your mobile device?
I really think that this is a market that needs to be explored more!
And, there is potential for the application to make it to the desktop platform 
as well!
Please, any ideas that are excepted, will be included with the individuals name 
who originally brings it up as for crediting in the application.
Michael, excited

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Solitaire sure would be nice.  I mean classic solitaire.

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Re: Kindle now accessible on IOS with Voiceover.

[Yolanda]

On 5/1/2013 10:40 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:
So what is the advantage of the Kindle book reading app over ibooks. I 
haven't really played with either one. On iBooks I was able to read 
continuously page by page and I could touch to read a line but I 
couldn't figure out how to read the previous or next line. The rotor 
let me choose to flick through characters and headings but not lines. 
If it was reading continuously it would flip pages automatically but I 
could only manually turn the page by going to the page chooser and 
then flicking up and down. Probably just some gestures I don't know 
about. I thought a three finger flick left/right would turn the page 
like moving between pages of apps in the main screens.


CB

On 5/1/13 12:29 PM, Scott Rumery wrote:
No, you will have to go to the Amazon website to find books, but once 
you make a purchase that title should show up on your iPhone.


On May 1, 2013, at 12:12 PM, Jed Barton j...@jedbarton.com wrote:


Wow  guys, this is cool.
Question, can you actually search for books and stuff?  I couldn't 
find an

option to do that.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christine 
Grassman

Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 12:04 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Kindle now accessible on IOS with Voiceover.

And there was much amazement . . . and rejoicing . . .
Christine

On May 1, 2013, at 12:02 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com 
wrote:



Haha. Hi,

I'm trying it out right now.  I don't think you will be 
disappointed with

the accessibility.  I'm able to read by line/ word/ character, and
continuous reading with a 2 finger flick down seems to work just fine.
Actually, when you first open the book, it tells you the voiceover 
gestures

you can use to read.  including highlighting and selecting text, etc.

hth

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On May 1, 2013, at 11:57 AM, Christine Grassman 
cgrassman1...@gmail.com

wrote:
It's a good thing it is May 1 and not April 1, or I would think 
this was
a joke.  Is this really true, or am I dreaming? Has anyone tried it 
out yet
-- determined whether the navigation is as spectacular as iBooks and 
the

Nook app?

Christine
On May 1, 2013, at 11:53 AM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com 
wrote:



Hi list,

In case you didn't hear yet, Kindle for IOS is now accessible with

Voiceover.  You can read more about it here.

http://www.cultofmac.com/225836/kindle-for-ios-will-now-turn-your-fa
vorite-books-into-audiobooks/?utm_campaign=twitterutm_medium=twitte
rutm_source=twitter

hth

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

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Amazon 

Re: Hooking up a Mac Mini without a monitor

[Yolanda]

You can the the converter form Amazon for around $40.00.  That is where 
I got mine.


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Re: odd behavior when trying to pair and connect my Mac and iPhone

[Yolanda]

On 4/22/2013 11:48 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
I think, that is if I am not mistaken, that he may be trying to use 
the typetophone app and is having connection problems.  IS that correct?



Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the 
blind built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!

On Apr 23, 2013, at 12:31 AM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk 
mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:



Hello Shane,

You can't pair an iPhone and a Mac via Bluetooth. You can sync your 
iPhone wirelessly, but that's different.


Cheers,

Anne


On 23 Apr 2013, at 04:01, shane christenson ksha...@att.net 
mailto:ksha...@att.net wrote:


HI listers. IN trying to pair and connect my iPhone to my Mac, I do 
everything it says to do, and when I go to connect the phone with 
the mac, it says 'connection unsuccessful. Mac Mini  is not 
supported. Anyone know how to fix this?


Shane

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Well, that is what I am trying ot do, and it fails. :)

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Re: Type2Phone free this weekend

[Yolanda]

On 4/20/2013 6:46 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

I'm loving it so far.

On Apr 20, 2013, at 9:50 AM, Rachel Feinberg wrote:


Hi Stacey,

I'm glad to hear that! If you need anymore help, don't hesitate to ask. It 
really is a fantastic app.

On Apr 20, 2013, at 6:15 AM, Stacey Robinson stacey...@bellsouth.net wrote:


Rachel,
I got things going this morning.
Totally cool.

On Apr 19, 2013, at 6:39 PM, Rachel Feinberg wrote:


Activate a text field on your phone, turn quick Nav off on your mac, and be in 
the Type2Phone app. You should be good to go and able to type.

On Apr 19, 2013, at 3:32 PM, Stacey Robinson stacey...@bellsouth.net wrote:


I now have my phone and mac comunicating. How do I start doing things with it 
now.

On Apr 19, 2013, at 5:03 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:


Hi Alex,
I can't seem to get my mac running sl to pair with my phone.
What are the steps I need to take.
Stacey

On Apr 19, 2013, at 4:08 PM, Alex Hall wrote:


Hi all,
Type2Phone lets your Mac act like a bluetooth keyboard for your iOS device. You 
just pair the two machines, then it automatically sets everything up and is 
ready to go whenever you cmd-tab into the app. There are even menu items to 
issue special commands for Voiceover, and the app is fully accessible. It is 
normally $4.99, but is currently free. Just open the Mac App Store and search 
for Type2phone, no spaces, the number 2. I have no idea if there's a Windows 
version. Enjoy.


Have a great day,
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I am unable to get my iphone to see my mac, ideas? Please

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IPhone and MAC Air not pairing

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I do not see my mac air in my bluetooth on my hone to connect the first 
time.  What am I doing wrong?


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Help with VMWare Fusion

[Yolanda Thompson]

Ok, I got it installed--vmware that is--and I cannot figure out how to
launch the
window below the toolbar that brings me into windows.  Then, when I
hit alt-f4 in
the windows it throws me out to the mac screen and I cannot get back.
And, how on earth dos everyone find out the keystrokes for mac apps?  I have not
had luck.
HELP! LOL

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Re: send space wizard

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On 3/21/2013 6:38 PM, Kerri wrote:

all right, this is what you do.
To download

1. Open your wizard.
2. Locate the place where it says url edit and paste in the link. Chances are 
it will go to your downloads folder.

To upload

1. Press option plus letter u.
2. you will want to browse for your folder, so please tab to browse
3. In the side bar that you will reach by tabbing, choose document or where 
ever the file is located.
4. tab to a pop up button that says documents or whatever you have cozen. tab 
again to the list, interact with it and choose your file.
5. Press vo space bar on open and it will begin to upload.. Do you want to know 
how to enable a sound or have it email you when the file is finished uploading?
On 2013-03-21, at 1:13 PM, Yolanda ylt...@gmail.com wrote:


Yes I have the wizard installed with the VO extensions

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 21, 2013, at 12:01 PM, Kerri shalo...@shaw.ca wrote:


Hello.

First of all, do yu have the wizard?
On 2013-03-21, at 7:44 AM, Yolanda ylt...@gmail.com wrote:


On 3/20/2013 6:12 PM, Kerri wrote:

hello, all. Does any9one know how to delete history of transfers in the send 
space wizard? I also have had a file that failed and though I interact with the 
message, I cannot delete it. Thanks for any help.


How do you download a file?  I am unable to find a list of keystrokes for ss, 
and would be brateful for any help.

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Thank you, but I have files uploaded---my VM Fusion dmg file that I need 
to download back to my mac that I reset it.  I can hightlight the file 
so it shows selected, but shft-vo-m does not bring up the context menu, 
and I am unable to tell how to download it back to my mac with the wizard.


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Re: send space wizard

[Yolanda]

Yes I have the wizard installed with the VO extensions

Sent from my iPhone

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 Hello.
 
 First of all, do yu have the wizard?
 On 2013-03-21, at 7:44 AM, Yolanda ylt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 On 3/20/2013 6:12 PM, Kerri wrote:
 hello, all. Does any9one know how to delete history of transfers in the 
 send space wizard? I also have had a file that failed and though I interact 
 with the message, I cannot delete it. Thanks for any help.
 
 How do you download a file?  I am unable to find a list of keystrokes for 
 ss, and would be brateful for any help.
 
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RE: captcha solving service for the mac.

[Yolanda]

Well said.


If one dream should fall and break into a thousand pieces, never be afraid
to pick
one of those pieces up and begin again. -Flavia Weedn


-Original Message-
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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Davert
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 9:18 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: captcha solving service for the mac.

Chris:
I don't think it's fare to criticize Brandon, it's not like he is the one
demanding that you solve catpchas for creating accounts and whatever other
things you need to do to be productive. He's offering the solution to a
problem that currently has no other solution for the Mac. If you can develop
one for free that provides access to captchas, I'm sure people will migrate
to it if it's as usable. Or, you could run boot camp on your mac, install
firefox and webvisum, and off you go.
I think you're jumping way ahead of yourself here, and your response of not
offering to help others just because they disagree with you is quite
childish. If you're going to respectfully agree to disagree, such an action
would certainly not be consistent with that.

Scott

On 12/2/12, Steve Holmes steve.holme...@gmail.com wrote:
 Webvism is a firefox plug-in so it will work with any platform that 
 firefox runs on.  I have used it on both Windows and Linux personally 
 and I have read here where Mac users have done it with the Mac version of
firefox.
 Wonder how hard it would be to write a safari plugin for webvism.

 Oh, while I'm here, it does seem conceptually unfair that blind people 
 need to pay extra to solve a CAPTCHA when their sighted counterparts pay
nothing.
  But then like in Brandon's case, he has to cover expenses to deliver 
 his service.  We nearly lost webvism earlier this year presumably when 
 the domain expired or something.  I would gladly support webvism if I 
 could get a better handle on who just actually owns the service.  I 
 don't like to give money to some unknown entity that might disappear in a
moment's notice.

 Also, people defended the pricing models used by companies like 
 Freedom Scientific or Humanware.  Well, that's the problem with being 
 blindness specific.  Their prices are way over the top! Apple includes 
 VoiceOver in all machines and I personally doubt the price increased 
 by much at all to include this feature.  Macs have always been more 
 expensive than others so it was probablyh easier to add extra a11y 
 stuff with a minimal increase in price which was shared across the whole
product line and all customers.

 On Dec 2, 2012, at 6:52 AM, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.com
wrote:

 It never even filled them for me so will probably contact them.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 2, 2012, at 7:27 AM, Maria  Joe Chapman 
 bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 HI it was doing that to me at first. but the capcher was still being 
 solved.  There is a way to enable the alerts but i can't remember 
 how we did it.

 Mauricio? lol.
 God Bless! Maria from australia
  Newbie mac user.
 bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
 will get you fb as well as email  iMessage.
 skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl









 On 02/12/2012, at 12:04 PM, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 It simply wasn't doing anything, period.  It wassupposed to make an 
 alert sound letting you know a captcha was detected and it didn't 
 so when I got to the field where the captcha had to be solved the 
 field was empty.didn't!

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 1, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Maria  Joe Chapman 
 bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote:

 HI rumula works for me.  what problem were you having?

 God Bless! Maria from australia
  Newbie mac user.
 bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
 will get you fb as well as email  iMessage.
 skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl









 On 01/12/2012, at 3:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:

 Rumola


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RE: Braille editing/translation software for Mac?

[Yolanda]

Have you tried using the generic text only printer driver?  That should work
under your virtual windows.

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Annie Skov Nielsen
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 6:02 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille editing/translation software for Mac?

Hi.

I have tried for half a year to get that to work, even with a USB printer it
is not possible to solve that problem, I have also tried in VMWare, with the
same result. It seems as if the printer needs a driver.

If any of you have a solution, so that the brailleprinter will work in
windows in VMWare, I would love to hear about it.

Best regards Annie.
Den Feb 13, 2012 kl. 9:10 PM skrev Philippa Woodcraft:

 I hope there is an easy solution to this problem. i have thought about 
 doing the VM fusion option, but prism i'd have to put jaws or some 
 such thing on the windows bit, and i'm not keen on doing that just for
 1 program. my embosser is old, but works! its got one of those serial 
 to USB adapters. its all installed i just have no software to 
 translate or emboss with. any ideas? tried lewy and iBraille. do 
 duxbury do anything for mac? many thanks. Philippa
 
 On Feb 13, 1:45 pm, Søren Jensen s...@coolfortheblind.dk wrote:
 Does your printer have any USB connection? I hear that the serial
adapters doesn't work well. Otherwise I don't know how to connect the device
to your Mac. If it does have any usb connection, I might have a solution for
you which works in Windows.
 Best regards:
 Søren Jensen
 Mail  MSN:
 s...@coolfortheblind.dk
 Website:http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
 
 Den 13/02/2012 kl. 12.59 skrev Annie Skov Nielsen:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Hi Søren.
 
 I have a 4*4 pro from indexbraille.
 I will recommend the new braillebox, if you are going to get a braille
printer.
 
 Best regards Annie.
 
 Den Feb 13, 2012 kl. 9:16 AM skrev Søren Jensen:
 
 Hi Anni.
 What Braille printer do you have?
 Best regards:
 Søren Jensen
 Mail  MSN:
 s...@coolfortheblind.dk
 Website:
 http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
 
 Den 12/02/2012 kl. 00.21 skrev Annie Skov Nielsen:
 
 Hi Philippa.
 
 I am having the same question. I have contacted indexbraille, and they
told me, that there hopefully would be a solution in about six month. I have
a lot of problems with my braille printer. I only have a mac now. I have
tried with vmware running windows, , but I can not get any braille solution
to work that way too.
 
 Best regards Annie.
 Den Feb 11, 2012 kl. 5:17 PM skrev Philippa Woodcraft:
 
 hi. sorry if this question has already been asked, but does 
 anyone know of a good braille translating/editing software for 
 Mac? i have tried Lewy and tried to download iBraille but niether 
 are very up to date and lewy won't work. i am running Lion on a 
 MacBook Air. was just wondering if you have any reckomendations 
 and what you all use? many thanks. Philippa
 
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RE: countdown timer

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I am unable to find howler in the app store.  Any ideas?


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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 11:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: countdown timer

I can't be sure, but the pro has some fun converters (volume and
temperature, I believe). It's quite accessible, too. I'm a horror fan, so I
love the sound effects. Fun app. :) I figured, why not pay a couple dollars
more for something fun and useful?

Teresa
On Sep 28, 2011, at 7:58 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:

 I haven't tried the pro one since the free one does what I need.
 
 On Sep 28, 2011, at 10:09 PM, Paul Henrichsen wrote:
 
 Hi. Is the pro version of howler as accessible as the free one? It costs
$1.99.
 Thanks.
 
 On Sep 28, 2011, at 1:15 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:
 
 If you are the one that sent the script, the message did come through.
After I asked about the countdown timer, I found a free one in the Mac App
store called Howler. It couldn't be any easier to use.
 Thank you anyways.
 
 On Sep 28, 2011, at 1:22 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
 
 I'm wondering, since I haven't heard about it or seen it cross the
list, if my huge post regarding a countdown timer and its instructions ever
made it through, or whether it was filtered out or something?
 
 
 
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RE: Fusion 4 and Window-Eyes

[Yolanda]

If the video driver changed you will have to reinstall WE,  When you get the
prompt as Mike said it just exits WE.  So reinstall it in the new version
and it should be fine.


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I don't think it tried to do that, since my windows 7 virtual machine works
fine the way it is, I'm going to leave it, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
On Sep 15, 2011, at 7:13 PM, Keith Watson wrote:

 Mike,
 
 Did your vm automatically try to install vmware tools even after saying no
to the upgrade vm option? No matter what I have done it always seems to want
to install. I have to cancel and can then use the vm, but it's annoying.
 
 
 On Sep 15, 2011, at 8:10 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
 
 I have window yes, I think it's 7.2 installed, I will try it. I don't see
any difference in a version 4 virtual machine, I think it supports hd audio,
and better graphics, you might try copying your version 3 virtual machine
back, and telling fusion not to upgrade it. By the way, pressing enter at
that window eyes prompt does not reboot windows, it just exits window eyes.
 On Sep 15, 2011, at 1:07 PM, Robert Carter wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 
 After upgrading from VMWare Fusion 3 to 4, fusion asked to upgrade my
Windows XP VM that I had been using with Fusion 3. After upgrading the VM,
Window-Eyes version 7.1 said that the video driver had changed and that
windows needed to restart. Window-Eyes then said press enter to continue.
After that point, I get no sound from the VM at all. I am not positive
whether or not it actually restarted but it appears that it probably did. At
least fusion seems to think that windows is running. At any rate, if I let
it sit for a few minutes, the fan on my Mac starts running at top speed
suggesting that the computer is working extremely hard.
 
 I booted my system with an earlier SuperDuper clone and of course
Window-Eyes ran fine because I was again using fusion 3. I then uninstalled
Window-Eyes from that SuperDuper clone and copy the VM without Window-Eyes
back to my fusion 4 installation. I then allowed the XP VM to be upgraded by
fusion to work with fusion 4. I then ran System Access as the screen reader
and it works perfectly. I have not yet decided whether or not I will try
installing Window-Eyes but it is possible that Window-Eyes does not like
fusion 4.
 
 Does anybody have fusion 4 working with Window-Eyes in an XP VM?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Robert Carter
 
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