RE: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-16 Thread Michael Malver 
You might be interested in stereo iPad sound on the latest iPad.

Did they say a new version of iWorks came out  today? If so I wish they had
spoken to what's new about it.  Honestly, accept for a problem with
VoiceOver and image placement, I'm very happy with the current pages. TO be
fair though, I know I've only scratched the surface of the app.

 

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Hi,

 

Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation seemed
to offer nothing that we would care about?

 

Not even speks.

 

 

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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-16 Thread BobH. 
Great visual stuff, nothing of obvious use to us.
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Hi,

Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation seemed 
to offer nothing that we would care about?

Not even speks.


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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-16 Thread Sandi Jazmin Kruse 
I am not agreeing there, i got my next Mini.

On 10/16/14, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation seemed
> to offer nothing that we would care about?
>
> Not even speks.
>
>
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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-16 Thread Christopher Hallsworth 
I have no plans to upgrade the mini but as a loyal customer the 
presentation looked good. So happy to see the new Mac Mini come down in 
price as well starting at just $499, causing potentially more new 
customers to join the ecosystem.



Sent from my laptop

On 16/10/2014 20:12, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote:

I am not agreeing there, i got my next Mini.

On 10/16/14, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

Hi,

Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation seemed
to offer nothing that we would care about?

Not even speks.


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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-16 Thread Christopher Hallsworth 
The new iPads will include Touch ID so those who do not have an iPhone 
5s or later can experience Touch ID with no long term commitment. I'm 
disapointed to see no word on the iPod Touch, not even an update or 
discontinuation.



Sent from my laptop

On 16/10/2014 20:02, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

Hi,

Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation seemed to 
offer nothing that we would care about?

Not even speks.


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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-16 Thread Rich Ring 
If you-ask me, it was a huge yawn.

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On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:02 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation seemed 
> to offer nothing that we would care about?
> 
> Not even speks.
> 
> 
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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-16 Thread Michael Marshall 
let me guess, nothing on the new mac OS?
> On 17 Oct 2014, at 6:18 am, Christopher Hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> I have no plans to upgrade the mini but as a loyal customer the presentation 
> looked good. So happy to see the new Mac Mini come down in price as well 
> starting at just $499, causing potentially more new customers to join the 
> ecosystem.
> 
> 
> Sent from my laptop
> 
> On 16/10/2014 20:12, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote:
>> I am not agreeing there, i got my next Mini.
>> 
>> On 10/16/14, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation seemed
>>> to offer nothing that we would care about?
>>> 
>>> Not even speks.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-16 Thread John Panarese 
  It's available now.  Who said it had nothing to offer?


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On Oct 16, 2014, at 3:40 PM, Michael Marshall  wrote:

> let me guess, nothing on the new mac OS?
>> On 17 Oct 2014, at 6:18 am, Christopher Hallsworth  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have no plans to upgrade the mini but as a loyal customer the presentation 
>> looked good. So happy to see the new Mac Mini come down in price as well 
>> starting at just $499, causing potentially more new customers to join the 
>> ecosystem.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my laptop
>> 
>> On 16/10/2014 20:12, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote:
>>> I am not agreeing there, i got my next Mini.
>>> 
>>> On 10/16/14, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation seemed
 to offer nothing that we would care about?
 
 Not even speks.
 
 
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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-16 Thread Christopher Hallsworth 
Yes OS X Yosemite is out as a free upgrade to compatible Macs starting 
today.



Sent from my laptop

On 16/10/2014 20:40, Michael Marshall wrote:

let me guess, nothing on the new mac OS?

On 17 Oct 2014, at 6:18 am, Christopher Hallsworth  
wrote:

I have no plans to upgrade the mini but as a loyal customer the presentation 
looked good. So happy to see the new Mac Mini come down in price as well 
starting at just $499, causing potentially more new customers to join the 
ecosystem.


Sent from my laptop

On 16/10/2014 20:12, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote:

I am not agreeing there, i got my next Mini.

On 10/16/14, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

Hi,

Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation seemed
to offer nothing that we would care about?

Not even speks.


Sincerely,
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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-16 Thread Rich Ring 
But, sadly, you still need a monitor, and don't tell me there's an adapter you 
can buy that will solve the problem, back in 2009 I purchased 3 different 
adapters that were supposed to solve the monitor problem, none of them worked.

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On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Christopher Hallsworth  
wrote:

> I have no plans to upgrade the mini but as a loyal customer the presentation 
> looked good. So happy to see the new Mac Mini come down in price as well 
> starting at just $499, causing potentially more new customers to join the 
> ecosystem.
> 
> 
> Sent from my laptop
> 
> On 16/10/2014 20:12, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote:
>> I am not agreeing there, i got my next Mini.
>> 
>> On 10/16/14, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation seemed
>>> to offer nothing that we would care about?
>>> 
>>> Not even speks.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-16 Thread Michael Marshall 
Yes sir I stand corrected!
> On 17 Oct 2014, at 6:45 am, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>  It's available now.  Who said it had nothing to offer?
> 
> 
> Take Care
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> On Oct 16, 2014, at 3:40 PM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
>> let me guess, nothing on the new mac OS?
>>> On 17 Oct 2014, at 6:18 am, Christopher Hallsworth 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have no plans to upgrade the mini but as a loyal customer the 
>>> presentation looked good. So happy to see the new Mac Mini come down in 
>>> price as well starting at just $499, causing potentially more new customers 
>>> to join the ecosystem.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my laptop
>>> 
>>> On 16/10/2014 20:12, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote:
 I am not agreeing there, i got my next Mini.
 
 On 10/16/14, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation 
> seemed
> to offer nothing that we would care about?
> 
> Not even speks.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-16 Thread Michael Marshall 
What is the point of getting a mac mini? I just cannot understand it. Each to 
their own but it just makes no sense to me.
> On 17 Oct 2014, at 6:48 am, Rich Ring  wrote:
> 
> But, sadly, you still need a monitor, and don't tell me there's an adapter 
> you can buy that will solve the problem, back in 2009 I purchased 3 different 
> adapters that were supposed to solve the monitor problem, none of them worked.
> 
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> On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Christopher Hallsworth  > wrote:
> 
>> I have no plans to upgrade the mini but as a loyal customer the presentation 
>> looked good. So happy to see the new Mac Mini come down in price as well 
>> starting at just $499, causing potentially more new customers to join the 
>> ecosystem.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my laptop
>> 
>> On 16/10/2014 20:12, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote:
>>> I am not agreeing there, i got my next Mini.
>>> 
>>> On 10/16/14, Ray Foret Jr >> > wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation seemed
 to offer nothing that we would care about?
 
 Not even speks.
 
 
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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-16 Thread John Panarese 
  Actually, there is.  I've been using an adaptor since 2011 successfully.  I 
can send the info to anyone who wants it.


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On Oct 16, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Rich Ring  wrote:

> But, sadly, you still need a monitor, and don't tell me there's an adapter 
> you can buy that will solve the problem, back in 2009 I purchased 3 different 
> adapters that were supposed to solve the monitor problem, none of them worked.
> 
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> On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Christopher Hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
>> I have no plans to upgrade the mini but as a loyal customer the presentation 
>> looked good. So happy to see the new Mac Mini come down in price as well 
>> starting at just $499, causing potentially more new customers to join the 
>> ecosystem.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my laptop
>> 
>> On 16/10/2014 20:12, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote:
>>> I am not agreeing there, i got my next Mini.
>>> 
>>> On 10/16/14, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation seemed
 to offer nothing that we would care about?
 
 Not even speks.
 
 
 Sincerely,
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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-16 Thread Christopher Hallsworth 
Same here hence me acquiring a Macbook Pro. I wanted everything all in 
one, laptop style including CD/DVD RW drive.



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On 16/10/2014 20:52, Michael Marshall wrote:

What is the point of getting a mac mini? I just cannot understand it. Each to 
their own but it just makes no sense to me.

On 17 Oct 2014, at 6:48 am, Rich Ring  wrote:

But, sadly, you still need a monitor, and don't tell me there's an adapter you 
can buy that will solve the problem, back in 2009 I purchased 3 different 
adapters that were supposed to solve the monitor problem, none of them worked.

You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
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On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Christopher Hallsworth mailto:challswor...@icloud.com>> wrote:


I have no plans to upgrade the mini but as a loyal customer the presentation 
looked good. So happy to see the new Mac Mini come down in price as well 
starting at just $499, causing potentially more new customers to join the 
ecosystem.


Sent from my laptop

On 16/10/2014 20:12, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote:

I am not agreeing there, i got my next Mini.

On 10/16/14, Ray Foret Jr mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Hi,

Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation seemed
to offer nothing that we would care about?

Not even speks.


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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-16 Thread Ray Foret Jr 
I might wish to have it especially if I decide to get a base line Mac mini.


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On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:57 PM, John Panarese  wrote:

>  Actually, there is.  I've been using an adaptor since 2011 successfully.  I 
> can send the info to anyone who wants it.
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> On Oct 16, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Rich Ring  wrote:
> 
>> But, sadly, you still need a monitor, and don't tell me there's an adapter 
>> you can buy that will solve the problem, back in 2009 I purchased 3 
>> different adapters that were supposed to solve the monitor problem, none of 
>> them worked.
>> 
>> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
>> Sent from my Mac Book Pro 
>> richr...@gmail.com
>> 
>> On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Christopher Hallsworth 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> I have no plans to upgrade the mini but as a loyal customer the 
>>> presentation looked good. So happy to see the new Mac Mini come down in 
>>> price as well starting at just $499, causing potentially more new customers 
>>> to join the ecosystem.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my laptop
>>> 
>>> On 16/10/2014 20:12, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote:
 I am not agreeing there, i got my next Mini.
 
 On 10/16/14, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation 
> seemed
> to offer nothing that we would care about?
> 
> Not even speks.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-16 Thread Ray Foret Jr 
My point exactly.  Give me hard drive speks, give me storage info, give me 
basic good relyable info:  not all this eye candy crap.


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On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:11 PM, BobH.  wrote:

> Great visual stuff, nothing of obvious use to us.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Ray Foret Jr" 
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> Subject: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing
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> 
> Hi,
> 
> Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation seemed 
> to offer nothing that we would care about?
> 
> Not even speks.
> 
> 
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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-16 Thread Ray Foret Jr 
OH I quite agree.  The only thing I saw of any substance coming out of this was 
the going down by $100.00 of the Mac mini.  I'm guessing this is a very base 
line model and that's okay:  but, honestly, I really think they've just got to 
get back to what made them good to start with.  What's more important?  Eye 
candy for the light dependant who think their eyes do everything or true 
function?  
Sincerely,
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On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:26 PM, Rich Ring  wrote:

> If you-ask me, it was a huge yawn.
> 
> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
>  Sent from my Mac Book Pro 
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> 
> On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:02 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation seemed 
>> to offer nothing that we would care about?
>> 
>> Not even speks.
>> 
>> 
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>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-16 Thread Mike Arrigo 
I have actually heard that one adapter does work, I think it's called 
the max headless. Basically, it's designed to be connected to an HDMI 
port on a computer such as a server that is accessed remotely. Video 
cards will not enable high definition unless they think an HD monitor 
is connected to them, and this adapter enulates that. But yes, you 
should not need this in order for the computer to work correctly. 
Apparently windows and linux work fine on these computers without a 
monitor, so it's probably a bug in mac OSX.

Original message:
But, sadly, you still need a monitor, and don’t tell me there’s an 
adapter you can buy that will solve the problem, back in 2009 I 
purchased 3 different adapters that were supposed to solve the monitor 
problem, none of them worked.



You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
Sent from my Mac Book Pro
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On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Christopher Hallsworth 
mailto:challswor...@icloud.com>> wrote:



I have no plans to upgrade the mini but as a loyal customer the 
presentation looked good. So happy to see the new Mac Mini come down in 
price as well starting at just $499, causing potentially more new 
customers to join the ecosystem.




Sent from my laptop



On 16/10/2014 20:12, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote:




I am not agreeing there, i got my next Mini.


On 10/16/14, Ray Foret Jr > wrote:




Hi,



Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation seemed
to offer nothing that we would care about?



Not even speks.




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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-16 Thread Cheryl Homiak 
Well, actually, with my 2008 mac mini, which I can't upgrade past Lion, this is 
still possible. It works fine with an adapter hanging out where a monitor would 
be connected. But I think somewhere after that, it may have stopped being 
possible to do that at least from what I hear. I also still have an old ppc 
mini running Leopard and I don't even have an adapter onit. If at some point I 
get a new mini I might first try it but all I hear is that it no longer works 
to use it without a monitor. And there is the occasional possible need for 
sighted help or desire to show somebody something. Still, you can pick up a 
monitor pretty inexpensively if you don't need something fancy.
  
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On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:48 PM, Rich Ring  wrote:

> But, sadly, you still need a monitor, and don't tell me there's an adapter 
> you can buy that will solve the problem, back in 2009 I purchased 3 different 
> adapters that were supposed to solve the monitor problem, none of them worked.
> 
> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
>  Sent from my Mac Book Pro 
> richr...@gmail.com
> 
> On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Christopher Hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
>> I have no plans to upgrade the mini but as a loyal customer the presentation 
>> looked good. So happy to see the new Mac Mini come down in price as well 
>> starting at just $499, causing potentially more new customers to join the 
>> ecosystem.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my laptop
>> 
>> On 16/10/2014 20:12, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote:
>>> I am not agreeing there, i got my next Mini.
>>> 
>>> On 10/16/14, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation seemed
 to offer nothing that we would care about?
 
 Not even speks.
 
 
 Sincerely,
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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-16 Thread Mary Otten 
Ray,
Sadly, in terms of market, the answer to your question is glaringly obvious. I 
candy wins each and every time. Why else the continual change to the look of 
things? They want you to buy more and more because it looks different and it 
looks cool. Never mind whether it works well or not.
Mary


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> On Oct 16, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> OH I quite agree.  The only thing I saw of any substance coming out of this 
> was the going down by $100.00 of the Mac mini.  I'm guessing this is a very 
> base line model and that's okay:  but, honestly, I really think they've just 
> got to get back to what made them good to start with.  What's more important? 
>  Eye candy for the light dependant who think their eyes do everything or true 
> function?  
> Sincerely,
> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus!
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:26 PM, Rich Ring  wrote:
>> 
>> If you-ask me, it was a huge yawn.
>> 
>> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
>>  Sent from my Mac Book Pro 
>> richr...@gmail.com
>> 
>>> On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:02 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation seemed 
>>> to offer nothing that we would care about?
>>> 
>>> Not even speks.
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-16 Thread Mary Otten 
Apple has never been particularly long on offering specs. And the specs by 
themselves mean nothing, witness their camera doing so well, even though it 
doesn't "spec out" against some others that don't perform as well in the real 
world.  I think it would be nice to be able to run the mini without a monitor, 
but really, if you're going to run it from a desktop, what is the big deal? 
Monitors are dirt cheap. If the only reason you buy a MacBook Pro or an iMac is 
so you don't have to buy a monitor, that seems penny wise and pound foolish to 
me. But to each his or her own. I have a mini, and it works fine. Happy to see 
the price drop.
Mary


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> On Oct 16, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse  wrote:
> 
> I am not agreeing there, i got my next Mini.
> 
>> On 10/16/14, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation seemed
>> to offer nothing that we would care about?
>> 
>> Not even speks.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-16 Thread Cheryl Homiak 
You are right: each to their own! My first couple of Macs and one I used for my 
daughter for her music for years were minis and I loved them. I still have an 
old ppc mini and a 2008 intel; the ppc one won't go beyond Leopard so I have it 
running linux; the 2008 one won't go beyond Lion but I can use it for this and 
that. They are also very nice with a bluetooth keyboard and a braille display 
because you don't have a computer with a keyboard taking up space. The minis I 
use sit way over in a corner somewhere by my modem and airport extreme and I 
use bluetooth or usb transmitter keyboards and keep a clearer table because of 
it. Lots to be said for a mini actually. I'm thinking seriously about a new one 
because these two old ones have to quit sometime. But I truly don't need a 
monitor for the two old minis and I very well might for the new one. Is there 
any way you can hook up a mini to use your imac's display or something? I do 
have an iMac which is actually my main computer. Only I pretty much use 
computers till they die or I find somebody to give them to so these older ones 
keep plugging along. But at any rate, just because some of us didn't find the 
new mac mini interesting doesn't mean that nobody cares about it.




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I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
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His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
"This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
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(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:52 PM, Michael Marshall  wrote:

> What is the point of getting a mac mini? I just cannot understand it. Each to 
> their own but it just makes no sense to me.
>> On 17 Oct 2014, at 6:48 am, Rich Ring  wrote:
>> 
>> But, sadly, you still need a monitor, and don't tell me there's an adapter 
>> you can buy that will solve the problem, back in 2009 I purchased 3 
>> different adapters that were supposed to solve the monitor problem, none of 
>> them worked.
>> 
>> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
>>  Sent from my Mac Book Pro 
>> richr...@gmail.com
>> 
>> On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Christopher Hallsworth 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> I have no plans to upgrade the mini but as a loyal customer the 
>>> presentation looked good. So happy to see the new Mac Mini come down in 
>>> price as well starting at just $499, causing potentially more new customers 
>>> to join the ecosystem.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my laptop
>>> 
>>> On 16/10/2014 20:12, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote:
 I am not agreeing there, i got my next Mini.
 
 On 10/16/14, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation 
> seemed
> to offer nothing that we would care about?
> 
> Not even speks.
> 
> 
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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-16 Thread Cheryl Homiak 
That's because you are blind, just like I am! We are not the majority, 
remember? Visual improvements and "eye candy" matter to a lot of people who can 
see. What do you think some of them would say if there was a whole lot about 
voiceover, other than the fact that some might find it interesting?



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I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
"This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness."
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




On Oct 16, 2014, at 3:17 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> My point exactly.  Give me hard drive speks, give me storage info, give me 
> basic good relyable info:  not all this eye candy crap.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
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> On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:11 PM, BobH.  wrote:
> 
>> Great visual stuff, nothing of obvious use to us.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Ray Foret Jr" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 8:02 PM
>> Subject: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation seemed 
>> to offer nothing that we would care about?
>> 
>> Not even speks.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-16 Thread Cheryl Homiak 
I don't frankly think the "mever mind whether it works well or not" is 
justified though to each their own! Almost every iphone or ipad or computer of 
any kind I've bought from Apple keeps on working faithfully and meets my needs 
or I wouldn't continue to buy them. An anything I had that didn't work was 
fixed or replaced promptly. I know this is not true for everybody; just 
speaking for myself.

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and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness."
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




On Oct 16, 2014, at 4:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

> Ray,
> Sadly, in terms of market, the answer to your question is glaringly obvious. 
> I candy wins each and every time. Why else the continual change to the look 
> of things? They want you to buy more and more because it looks different and 
> it looks cool. Never mind whether it works well or not.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 16, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> OH I quite agree.  The only thing I saw of any substance coming out of this 
>> was the going down by $100.00 of the Mac mini.  I'm guessing this is a very 
>> base line model and that's okay:  but, honestly, I really think they've just 
>> got to get back to what made them good to start with.  What's more 
>> important?  Eye candy for the light dependant who think their eyes do 
>> everything or true function?  
>> Sincerely,
>> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus!
>> 
>> On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:26 PM, Rich Ring  wrote:
>> 
>>> If you-ask me, it was a huge yawn.
>>> 
>>> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of 
>>> Fielding
>>>  Sent from my Mac Book Pro 
>>> richr...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:02 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation 
 seemed to offer nothing that we would care about?
 
 Not even speks.
 
 
 Sincerely,
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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-16 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu 
Yep, it's worth it for me to upgrade my Mini too, as a server I welcome the 
extra capacity and the single disk.  Saves messing about with RAID0 or 
CoreStorage.

Otherwise: nothing to see here, move along. :)

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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-16 Thread Ray Foret Jr 
Thinking of an open letter to Cook.  Not, of course, that he will ever actually 
read it:  after all, it's just a blind guy writing it right?


Sincerely,
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Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
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On Oct 16, 2014, at 4:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

> Ray,
> Sadly, in terms of market, the answer to your question is glaringly obvious. 
> I candy wins each and every time. Why else the continual change to the look 
> of things? They want you to buy more and more because it looks different and 
> it looks cool. Never mind whether it works well or not.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 16, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> OH I quite agree.  The only thing I saw of any substance coming out of this 
>> was the going down by $100.00 of the Mac mini.  I'm guessing this is a very 
>> base line model and that's okay:  but, honestly, I really think they've just 
>> got to get back to what made them good to start with.  What's more 
>> important?  Eye candy for the light dependant who think their eyes do 
>> everything or true function?  
>> Sincerely,
>> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus!
>> 
>> On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:26 PM, Rich Ring  wrote:
>> 
>>> If you-ask me, it was a huge yawn.
>>> 
>>> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of 
>>> Fielding
>>>  Sent from my Mac Book Pro 
>>> richr...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:02 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation 
 seemed to offer nothing that we would care about?
 
 Not even speks.
 
 
 Sincerely,
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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-16 Thread Mary Otten 
Apple is by no means the worst offender in my comp quote never mind whether it 
works well or not" rent. The problem is, the systems are complex. And we seem 
to bend over backwards to allow for that, rather than expect that releases of 
new products might take longer, but the product will work well out of the gate. 
If I buy a car, it's not okay if the brakes don't work Excelerator doesn't work 
the heat and air conditioning don't work etc. Or maybe they work some of the 
time. Or in some cases, maybe something that worked well in last year's car 
doesn't do that in this year's car. How many people would except that? Why did 
we give computer developers a free pass when it comes to releasing products 
that don't do what they're supposed to pretty much all of the time? Consumer 
reports would have to give all these products a failing grade when it comes to 
reliability, wouldn't they? It is not just Apple. It's all of them.
Mary


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> On Oct 16, 2014, at 3:01 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
> 
> I don't frankly think the "mever mind whether it works well or not" is 
> justified though to each their own! Almost every iphone or ipad or computer 
> of any kind I've bought from Apple keeps on working faithfully and meets my 
> needs or I wouldn't continue to buy them. An anything I had that didn't work 
> was fixed or replaced promptly. I know this is not true for everybody; just 
> speaking for myself.
> 
> -- 
> Cheryl
> 
> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
> thrown in the trash!
> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
> His joy for my despairing tears!
> And now, every day:
> "This I call to mind,
> and therefore I have hope:
> The steadfast love of the Lord
> never ceases;
> his mercies never come to an end;
> they are new every morning;
> great is your faithfulness."
> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2014, at 4:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Ray,
>> Sadly, in terms of market, the answer to your question is glaringly obvious. 
>> I candy wins each and every time. Why else the continual change to the look 
>> of things? They want you to buy more and more because it looks different and 
>> it looks cool. Never mind whether it works well or not.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 16, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
>>> OH I quite agree.  The only thing I saw of any substance coming out of this 
>>> was the going down by $100.00 of the Mac mini.  I'm guessing this is a very 
>>> base line model and that's okay:  but, honestly, I really think they've 
>>> just got to get back to what made them good to start with.  What's more 
>>> important?  Eye candy for the light dependant who think their eyes do 
>>> everything or true function?  
>>> Sincerely,
>>> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus!
>>> 
 On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:26 PM, Rich Ring  wrote:
 
 If you-ask me, it was a huge yawn.
 
 You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of 
 Fielding
  Sent from my Mac Book Pro 
 richr...@gmail.com
 
> On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:02 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation 
> seemed to offer nothing that we would care about?
> 
> Not even speks.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-16 Thread Joseph 
Hello,
Well, I wrote a letter to Cook about a week ago regarding all the recent 
problems. And you guessed it. Of course he didn't reply. Not surprising. I 
suppose he's just to busy to answer a consumer of his products.

On Oct 16, 2014, at 3:58 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> Thinking of an open letter to Cook.  Not, of course, that he will ever 
> actually read it:  after all, it's just a blind guy writing it right?
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus!
> 
> On Oct 16, 2014, at 4:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
>> Ray,
>> Sadly, in terms of market, the answer to your question is glaringly obvious. 
>> I candy wins each and every time. Why else the continual change to the look 
>> of things? They want you to buy more and more because it looks different and 
>> it looks cool. Never mind whether it works well or not.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Oct 16, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>>> OH I quite agree.  The only thing I saw of any substance coming out of this 
>>> was the going down by $100.00 of the Mac mini.  I'm guessing this is a very 
>>> base line model and that's okay:  but, honestly, I really think they've 
>>> just got to get back to what made them good to start with.  What's more 
>>> important?  Eye candy for the light dependant who think their eyes do 
>>> everything or true function?  
>>> Sincerely,
>>> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus!
>>> 
>>> On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:26 PM, Rich Ring  wrote:
>>> 
 If you-ask me, it was a huge yawn.
 
 You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of 
 Fielding
  Sent from my Mac Book Pro 
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> Hi,
> 
> Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation 
> seemed to offer nothing that we would care about?
> 
> Not even speks.
> 
> 
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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-16 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu 
You can use an iMac as a target display for a Mini or notebook, but you do 
require compatible Macs.  In particular, and I discovered this the hard way, 
you cannot drive a MiniDisplayPort iMac with a Thunderbolt Mac Mini, and you 
cannot drive a Thunderbolt iMac with a MDP-equipped Mini.  That means your 
choice of OS on the Mini is limited to those that can operate without a 
display, or perhaps, can be installed with a separate display and then used 
without one.  There is, as I mentioned before, also the Fit-Headless of which I 
bought a pack of 5 since they're so useful, though I still haven't got XP 
installed on my oldest Mini without a monitor due to the infusibility of 
automatically installing onto a pre-formatted partition and converting it to 
NTFS.

So yes, possible, with caveats.

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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-17 Thread BobH. 
I eventually got the VGA adapter for my Mini and hooked any old monitor to 
it.  Don't even put it on often,  or soon put it off once running.  Not sure 
how Mini is meant to cope with that,  I just don't do enough with it to 
really test it.  I do the same with  the old XP machine, and even got a 
network hub on a switch to isolate the computers to shut the gate on 
intrusive malware, the sort of bot type that sit there and take remote 
instructions.

It all seems to work for me, most the time.  Still getting complaints about 
my old browser despite updating it to the last known recommended. Must move 
into Mac soon,  but work quicker and smoother on the old familiar;...  isn't 
it ever the way.

Wouldn't it be an aass if you had to learn a new language every few years as 
the old ones had gone out of fashion.
This is about the essence of modern digi-tech.

R.

- Original Message - 
From: "Cheryl Homiak" 
To: 
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Subject: Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing


Well, actually, with my 2008 mac mini, which I can't upgrade past Lion, this 
is still possible. It works fine with an adapter hanging out where a monitor 
would be connected. But I think somewhere after that, it may have stopped 
being possible to do that at least from what I hear. I also still have an 
old ppc mini running Leopard and I don't even have an adapter onit. If at 
some point I get a new mini I might first try it but all I hear is that it 
no longer works to use it without a monitor. And there is the occasional 
possible need for sighted help or desire to show somebody something. Still, 
you can pick up a monitor pretty inexpensively if you don't need something 
fancy.

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On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:48 PM, Rich Ring  wrote:

> But, sadly, you still need a monitor, and don't tell me there's an adapter 
> you can buy that will solve the problem, back in 2009 I purchased 3 
> different adapters that were supposed to solve the monitor problem, none 
> of them worked.
>
> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of 
> Fielding
>  Sent from my Mac Book Pro
> richr...@gmail.com
>
> On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Christopher Hallsworth 
>  wrote:
>
>> I have no plans to upgrade the mini but as a loyal customer the 
>> presentation looked good. So happy to see the new Mac Mini come down in 
>> price as well starting at just $499, causing potentially more new 
>> customers to join the ecosystem.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my laptop
>>
>> On 16/10/2014 20:12, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote:
>>> I am not agreeing there, i got my next Mini.
>>>
>>> On 10/16/14, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation 
>>>> seemed
>>>> to offer nothing that we would care about?
>>>>
>>>> Not even speks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
>>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the 
>>>> blind
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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-17 Thread Krister Ekstrom 
Who is the majority? Not us and therefore snazzy visual things are always going 
to take presidence over boring non-visual things, that's the way of the world. 
That said, i think the keynote had much to offer. We got a release date for Ios 
8.1, we got Yosemite and for those who unlike me are out shopping for new IPads 
well there are some coming.
/Krister

> 16 okt 2014 kl. 22:19 skrev Ray Foret Jr :
> 
> OH I quite agree.  The only thing I saw of any substance coming out of this 
> was the going down by $100.00 of the Mac mini.  I'm guessing this is a very 
> base line model and that's okay:  but, honestly, I really think they've just 
> got to get back to what made them good to start with.  What's more important? 
>  Eye candy for the light dependant who think their eyes do everything or true 
> function?  
> Sincerely,
> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus!
> 
> On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:26 PM, Rich Ring  > wrote:
> 
>> If you-ask me, it was a huge yawn.
>> 
>> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
>>  Sent from my Mac Book Pro 
>> richr...@gmail.com 
>> On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:02 PM, Ray Foret Jr > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation seemed 
>>> to offer nothing that we would care about?
>>> 
>>> Not even speks.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-17 Thread Chris G 
They didn't say anything about the new iPads supporting apple pay.

That is the only reason I'd upgrade my iPad mini 2.

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Christopher Hallsworth  wrote:

> The new iPads will include Touch ID so those who do not have an iPhone 5s or 
> later can experience Touch ID with no long term commitment. I'm disapointed 
> to see no word on the iPod Touch, not even an update or discontinuation.
> 
> 
> Sent from my laptop
> 
> On 16/10/2014 20:02, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation seemed 
> > to offer nothing that we would care about?
> >
> > Not even speks.
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-17 Thread Chris G 
also, truthfully, the majority doesn't care about specs these days.
As long as it does what they want and its responsive, they don't care.


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On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 16:53:28 -0500
Cheryl Homiak  wrote:

> That's because you are blind, just like I am! We are not the majority, 
> remember? Visual improvements and "eye candy" matter to a lot of people who 
> can see. What do you think some of them would say if there was a whole lot 
> about voiceover, other than the fact that some might find it interesting?
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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> and therefore I have hope:
> The steadfast love of the Lord
> never ceases;
> his mercies never come to an end;
> they are new every morning;
> great is your faithfulness."
> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 16, 2014, at 3:17 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> > My point exactly.  Give me hard drive speks, give me storage info, give me 
> > basic good relyable info:  not all this eye candy crap.
> > 
> > 
> > Sincerely,
> > the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
> > Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> > built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus!
> > 
> > On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:11 PM, BobH.  wrote:
> > 
> >> Great visual stuff, nothing of obvious use to us.
> >> - Original Message - 
> >> From: "Ray Foret Jr" 
> >> To: 
> >> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 8:02 PM
> >> Subject: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> >> Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation 
> >> seemed 
> >> to offer nothing that we would care about?
> >> 
> >> Not even speks.
> >> 
> >> 
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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-17 Thread BobH. 
They did you know, sure that was one of the few additions to the Mini for 
sure;  and the air2 I think.
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Subject: Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing


They didn't say anything about the new iPads supporting apple pay.

That is the only reason I'd upgrade my iPad mini 2.

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On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 20:23:30 +0100
Christopher Hallsworth  wrote:

> The new iPads will include Touch ID so those who do not have an iPhone 5s 
> or later can experience Touch ID with no long term commitment. I'm 
> disapointed to see no word on the iPod Touch, not even an update or 
> discontinuation.
>
>
> Sent from my laptop
>
> On 16/10/2014 20:02, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation 
> > seemed to offer nothing that we would care about?
> >
> > Not even speks.
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
> > Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the 
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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-17 Thread Chris G 
It was just touch id. it is my understanding the mini 3 didn't even get
a processor upgrade from the mini 2.


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On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 11:44:47 +0100
"BobH."  wrote:

> They did you know, sure that was one of the few additions to the Mini for 
> sure;  and the air2 I think.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Chris G" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 10:40 AM
> Subject: Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing
> 
> 
> They didn't say anything about the new iPads supporting apple pay.
> 
> That is the only reason I'd upgrade my iPad mini 2.
> 
> Chris
> 
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> On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 20:23:30 +0100
> Christopher Hallsworth  wrote:
> 
> > The new iPads will include Touch ID so those who do not have an iPhone 5s 
> > or later can experience Touch ID with no long term commitment. I'm 
> > disapointed to see no word on the iPod Touch, not even an update or 
> > discontinuation.
> >
> >
> > Sent from my laptop
> >
> > On 16/10/2014 20:02, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation 
> > > seemed to offer nothing that we would care about?
> > >
> > > Not even speks.
> > >
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-17 Thread Christopher Hallsworth 
Well trust us it does but only within select apps whereas Apple Pay on 
the iPhone 6 and 6+ will work both in select stores and apps.



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They didn't say anything about the new iPads supporting apple pay.

That is the only reason I'd upgrade my iPad mini 2.

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The new iPads will include Touch ID so those who do not have an iPhone 5s or 
later can experience Touch ID with no long term commitment. I'm disapointed to 
see no word on the iPod Touch, not even an update or discontinuation.


Sent from my laptop

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Hi,

Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation seemed to 
offer nothing that we would care about?

Not even speks.


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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-17 Thread Robin 
But IS Apple's ApplePay friendly/accessible for VoiceOver (VO) users 
and/or Zoom users, I guess time will tell when Apple's iOS8.1 is 
PUSHED OUT to The Public on Monday, October 20TH.


At 04:16 AM 10/17/2014, you wrote:
Well trust us it does but only within select apps whereas Apple Pay 
on the iPhone 6 and 6+ will work both in select stores and apps.



Sent from my laptop

On 17/10/2014 10:40, Chris G wrote:

They didn't say anything about the new iPads supporting apple pay.

That is the only reason I'd upgrade my iPad mini 2.

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On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 20:23:30 +0100
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The new iPads will include Touch ID so those who do not have an 
iPhone 5s or later can experience Touch ID with no long term 
commitment. I'm disapointed to see no word on the iPod Touch, not 
even an update or discontinuation.



Sent from my laptop

On 16/10/2014 20:02, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

Hi,

Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple 
presentation seemed to offer nothing that we would care about?


Not even speks.


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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-17 Thread Christopher Hallsworth 
Yeah, time will tell, no one knows at the moment presumably because it's 
under NDA whether Apple Pay is VO friendly or not.



Sent from my laptop

On 17/10/2014 12:55, Robin wrote:

But IS Apple's ApplePay friendly/accessible for VoiceOver (VO) users
and/or Zoom users, I guess time will tell when Apple's iOS8.1 is PUSHED
OUT to The Public on Monday, October 20TH.

At 04:16 AM 10/17/2014, you wrote:

Well trust us it does but only within select apps whereas Apple Pay on
the iPhone 6 and 6+ will work both in select stores and apps.


Sent from my laptop

On 17/10/2014 10:40, Chris G wrote:

They didn't say anything about the new iPads supporting apple pay.

That is the only reason I'd upgrade my iPad mini 2.

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On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 20:23:30 +0100
Christopher Hallsworth  wrote:


The new iPads will include Touch ID so those who do not have an
iPhone 5s or later can experience Touch ID with no long term
commitment. I'm disapointed to see no word on the iPod Touch, not
even an update or discontinuation.


Sent from my laptop

On 16/10/2014 20:02, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

Hi,

Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple
presentation seemed to offer nothing that we would care about?

Not even speks.


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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-17 Thread Anders Holmberg 
Hi!
Because its the less expensive mac.
/A
16 okt 2014 kl. 21:52 skrev Michael Marshall :

> What is the point of getting a mac mini? I just cannot understand it. Each to 
> their own but it just makes no sense to me.
>> On 17 Oct 2014, at 6:48 am, Rich Ring  wrote:
>> 
>> But, sadly, you still need a monitor, and don't tell me there's an adapter 
>> you can buy that will solve the problem, back in 2009 I purchased 3 
>> different adapters that were supposed to solve the monitor problem, none of 
>> them worked.
>> 
>> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
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>> 
>> On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Christopher Hallsworth 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> I have no plans to upgrade the mini but as a loyal customer the 
>>> presentation looked good. So happy to see the new Mac Mini come down in 
>>> price as well starting at just $499, causing potentially more new customers 
>>> to join the ecosystem.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my laptop
>>> 
>>> On 16/10/2014 20:12, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote:
 I am not agreeing there, i got my next Mini.
 
 On 10/16/14, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation 
> seemed
> to offer nothing that we would care about?
> 
> Not even speks.
> 
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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-17 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
I thought the mini bogging down without a display (or adapter to trick 
it) had been fixed in more recent models?


CB

On 10/16/14, 3:57 PM, John Panarese wrote:

   Actually, there is.  I've been using an adaptor since 2011 successfully.  I 
can send the info to anyone who wants it.


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On Oct 16, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Rich Ring  wrote:


But, sadly, you still need a monitor, and don't tell me there's an adapter you 
can buy that will solve the problem, back in 2009 I purchased 3 different 
adapters that were supposed to solve the monitor problem, none of them worked.

You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
  Sent from my Mac Book Pro
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On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Christopher Hallsworth  
wrote:


I have no plans to upgrade the mini but as a loyal customer the presentation 
looked good. So happy to see the new Mac Mini come down in price as well 
starting at just $499, causing potentially more new customers to join the 
ecosystem.


Sent from my laptop

On 16/10/2014 20:12, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote:

I am not agreeing there, i got my next Mini.

On 10/16/14, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

Hi,

Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation seemed
to offer nothing that we would care about?

Not even speks.


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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-17 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
The tricky bit Apple is approaching is that hardware is about at the 
limit. Long ago the audio reached a point where any improvement would 
not be discernible by most people's ears (192k fanbois noted). Now the 
retina display has reached the same point where any more improvement 
won't be detectable. Storage is starting to get there where I can pretty 
much expect the drive that ships in the box to store anything I can come 
up with for the life of the device. In the old days I would upgrade my 
storage three or four times before the computer itself wasn't worth 
keeping. CPUs are also getting there where it's 99% idle and a faster 
CPU won't make me get stuff done any faster. So all that's left on the 
hardware side is marginal improvements for CPU, storage and maybe RAM. 
That's not a lot to wrap a new Mac marketing campaign around. Add to 
that longer lifespan on today's hardware and I could see the market 
saturating. The old stuff just keeps on working and the new stuff gets 
only marginally better. Where that leaves things is software and the 
user interface it creates. That's what can help me get stuff done faster 
and Apple's latest track is for software updates to be free. UI is a 
huge open space with bi-directional speech, different methods to 
manipulate content and ways to share or collaborate with it. The next 
few years are going to get interesting.


CB

On 10/16/14, 5:39 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

Ray,
Sadly, in terms of market, the answer to your question is glaringly 
obvious. I candy wins each and every time. Why else the continual 
change to the look of things? They want you to buy more and more 
because it looks different and it looks cool. Never mind whether it 
works well or not.

Mary


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On Oct 16, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Ray Foret Jr > wrote:


OH I quite agree.  The only thing I saw of any substance coming out 
of this was the going down by $100.00 of the Mac mini.  I'm guessing 
this is a very base line model and that's okay:  but, honestly, I 
really think they've just got to get back to what made them good to 
start with.  What's more important?  Eye candy for the light 
dependant who think their eyes do everything or true function?

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On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:26 PM, Rich Ring > wrote:



If you-ask me, it was a huge yawn.

You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of 
Fielding

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On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:02 PM, Ray Foret Jr > wrote:



Hi,

Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple 
presentation seemed to offer nothing that we would care about?


Not even speks.


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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-17 Thread Cheryl Homiak 
You can go on the website and look at specs. The visual stuff they want to 
actually show you during the presentation.

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> On Oct 17, 2014, at 4:55 AM, Chris G  wrote:
> 
> also, truthfully, the majority doesn't care about specs these days.
> As long as it does what they want and its responsive, they don't care.
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> On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 16:53:28 -0500
> Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
> 
>> That's because you are blind, just like I am! We are not the majority, 
>> remember? Visual improvements and "eye candy" matter to a lot of people who 
>> can see. What do you think some of them would say if there was a whole lot 
>> about voiceover, other than the fact that some might find it interesting?
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
>> thrown in the trash!
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>> His joy for my despairing tears!
>> And now, every day:
>> "This I call to mind,
>> and therefore I have hope:
>> The steadfast love of the Lord
>> never ceases;
>> his mercies never come to an end;
>> they are new every morning;
>> great is your faithfulness."
>> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 16, 2014, at 3:17 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>>> My point exactly.  Give me hard drive speks, give me storage info, give me 
>>> basic good relyable info:  not all this eye candy crap.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
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>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
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>>> On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:11 PM, BobH.  wrote:
>>> 
 Great visual stuff, nothing of obvious use to us.
 - Original Message - 
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 To: 
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 Subject: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing
 
 
 Hi,
 
 Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation 
 seemed 
 to offer nothing that we would care about?
 
 Not even speks.
 
 
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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-17 Thread Anders Holmberg 
Hi!
I've couldn't say it better myself Cheryl.
Thats how it is.
I don't really bother but i ofcourse would like to hear more about hardware 
specs and voiceover and such as a tech nerd.
/A
16 okt 2014 kl. 23:53 skrev Cheryl Homiak :

> That's because you are blind, just like I am! We are not the majority, 
> remember? Visual improvements and "eye candy" matter to a lot of people who 
> can see. What do you think some of them would say if there was a whole lot 
> about voiceover, other than the fact that some might find it interesting?
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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> 
> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
> thrown in the trash!
> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
> His joy for my despairing tears!
> And now, every day:
> "This I call to mind,
> and therefore I have hope:
> The steadfast love of the Lord
> never ceases;
> his mercies never come to an end;
> they are new every morning;
> great is your faithfulness."
> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 16, 2014, at 3:17 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> My point exactly.  Give me hard drive speks, give me storage info, give me 
>> basic good relyable info:  not all this eye candy crap.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus!
>> 
>> On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:11 PM, BobH.  wrote:
>> 
>>> Great visual stuff, nothing of obvious use to us.
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Ray Foret Jr" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 8:02 PM
>>> Subject: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation seemed 
>>> to offer nothing that we would care about?
>>> 
>>> Not even speks.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-17 Thread Kevin Cussick 
Hi,   if you send it to kevin.cuss...@gmail.com I would be very grateful. 
thanks in advance.
On 16 Oct 2014, at 20:57, John Panarese  wrote:

>  Actually, there is.  I've been using an adaptor since 2011 successfully.  I 
> can send the info to anyone who wants it.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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> Mac for the Blind
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> Lion
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 16, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Rich Ring  wrote:
> 
>> But, sadly, you still need a monitor, and don't tell me there's an adapter 
>> you can buy that will solve the problem, back in 2009 I purchased 3 
>> different adapters that were supposed to solve the monitor problem, none of 
>> them worked.
>> 
>> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
>> Sent from my Mac Book Pro 
>> richr...@gmail.com
>> 
>> On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Christopher Hallsworth 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> I have no plans to upgrade the mini but as a loyal customer the 
>>> presentation looked good. So happy to see the new Mac Mini come down in 
>>> price as well starting at just $499, causing potentially more new customers 
>>> to join the ecosystem.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my laptop
>>> 
>>> On 16/10/2014 20:12, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote:
 I am not agreeing there, i got my next Mini.
 
 On 10/16/14, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation 
> seemed
> to offer nothing that we would care about?
> 
> Not even speks.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
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> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-18 Thread Chris G 
Right, my point was to sell my iPad mini 2 128gbw/ cell service and get 
an iPad mini 3 if it supported apple pay in the stores.  I don't really 
care about apps. (smile)


It doesn't support apple pay in the stores so I won't be buying one.
Might consider an iPhone 6 though.  Depends on my current phone situation.


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On 10/17/2014 7:16 AM, Christopher Hallsworth wrote:

Well trust us it does but only within select apps whereas Apple Pay on
the iPhone 6 and 6+ will work both in select stores and apps.


Sent from my laptop

On 17/10/2014 10:40, Chris G wrote:

They didn't say anything about the new iPads supporting apple pay.

That is the only reason I'd upgrade my iPad mini 2.

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On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 20:23:30 +0100
Christopher Hallsworth  wrote:


The new iPads will include Touch ID so those who do not have an
iPhone 5s or later can experience Touch ID with no long term
commitment. I'm disapointed to see no word on the iPod Touch, not
even an update or discontinuation.


Sent from my laptop

On 16/10/2014 20:02, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

Hi,

Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation
seemed to offer nothing that we would care about?

Not even speks.


Sincerely,
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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-18 Thread Eugenia Firth 
I thought part of the presentation, the part where he made the call on his Mac, 
was funny. As for Apple Pay, I am really not pleased with AT&T not letting me 
upgrade to a iPHone six so I can do it. I can't upgrade until next October. 
Yesterday, I had to sign on those irritating receipts, so if anybody is going 
to celebrating when they can do Apple Pay, it will be some of us blind guys. 

Gigi 

> On Oct 18, 2014, at 3:49 AM, Chris G  wrote:
> 
> Right, my point was to sell my iPad mini 2 128gbw/ cell service and get an 
> iPad mini 3 if it supported apple pay in the stores.  I don't really care 
> about apps. (smile)
> 
> It doesn't support apple pay in the stores so I won't be buying one.
> Might consider an iPhone 6 though.  Depends on my current phone situation.
> 
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> On 10/17/2014 7:16 AM, Christopher Hallsworth wrote:
>> Well trust us it does but only within select apps whereas Apple Pay on
>> the iPhone 6 and 6+ will work both in select stores and apps.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my laptop
>> 
>> On 17/10/2014 10:40, Chris G wrote:
>>> They didn't say anything about the new iPads supporting apple pay.
>>> 
>>> That is the only reason I'd upgrade my iPad mini 2.
>>> 
>>> Chris
>>> 
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>>> On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 20:23:30 +0100
>>> Christopher Hallsworth  wrote:
>>> 
 The new iPads will include Touch ID so those who do not have an
 iPhone 5s or later can experience Touch ID with no long term
 commitment. I'm disapointed to see no word on the iPod Touch, not
 even an update or discontinuation.
 
 
 Sent from my laptop
 
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> Hi,
> 
> Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation
> seemed to offer nothing that we would care about?
> 
> Not even speks.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
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Re: Apple presentation seemed to offer nothing

2014-10-18 Thread Christopher Hallsworth 
Next year the Apple Watch should make its debut so if you can't upgrade 
before the Apple Watch debut then this is something to consider. Nobody 
knows when exactly it will be on sale though.



Sent from my laptop

On 18/10/2014 14:54, Eugenia Firth wrote:

I thought part of the presentation, the part where he made the call on his Mac, was 
funny. As for Apple Pay, I am really not pleased with AT&T not letting me 
upgrade to a iPHone six so I can do it. I can't upgrade until next October. 
Yesterday, I had to sign on those irritating receipts, so if anybody is going to 
celebrating when they can do Apple Pay, it will be some of us blind guys.

Gigi


On Oct 18, 2014, at 3:49 AM, Chris G  wrote:

Right, my point was to sell my iPad mini 2 128gbw/ cell service and get an iPad 
mini 3 if it supported apple pay in the stores.  I don't really care about 
apps. (smile)

It doesn't support apple pay in the stores so I won't be buying one.
Might consider an iPhone 6 though.  Depends on my current phone situation.


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On 10/17/2014 7:16 AM, Christopher Hallsworth wrote:

Well trust us it does but only within select apps whereas Apple Pay on
the iPhone 6 and 6+ will work both in select stores and apps.


Sent from my laptop

On 17/10/2014 10:40, Chris G wrote:

They didn't say anything about the new iPads supporting apple pay.

That is the only reason I'd upgrade my iPad mini 2.

Chris


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On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 20:23:30 +0100
Christopher Hallsworth  wrote:


The new iPads will include Touch ID so those who do not have an
iPhone 5s or later can experience Touch ID with no long term
commitment. I'm disapointed to see no word on the iPod Touch, not
even an update or discontinuation.


Sent from my laptop

On 16/10/2014 20:02, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

Hi,

Did anybody else here get the impression that the Apple presentation
seemed to offer nothing that we would care about?

Not even speks.


Sincerely,
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Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the
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