RE: Mute speech

['Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries]

You can also use M-chord on a braille display to toggle this function. That’s 
dots 1-3-4 with space.

From: mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2023 2:45 PM
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Subject: Re: Mute speech

Hi,
To setup a commander  to toggle the mute speech for VoiceOver, first open 
voiceover utility with vo f 8 that  is control option f 8.  Next press command 
8 to jump to commanders.
Next  vo right arrow to the keyboard tab and then press vo space bar on it.
Next tab to the add button, and hit VO Space.
Next type the letter you want to use along with the right option key.
I had to press VO space before I could type in the edit field.
Next vo right arrow to the command menu button and then press space bar on it.
Next  press the down arrow key to find speech,
 and then press the right arrow to open it.
Next press down arrow to find Mute  speech toggle and press enter.




On Feb 23, 2023, at 2:23 PM, Barbara Hollick 
mailto:bholl...@mtlsd.net>> wrote:

Hello,
Does anyone know the keyboard command to mute/unmute speech within voiceover 
utility?
Thanks,
Barb
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Re: Mute speech

[Herbie Allen]

I did forget to mention that little detail.

> On Feb 23, 2023, at 14:56, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I know that Herbie meant to point out, that to do the 3-finger triple tap 
> gesture, to  mute/unmute speech, you must first enable the Trackpad 
> Commander, using the  VO modifier and the clockwise rotor gesture.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Feb 23, 2023, at 13:46, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> If you have a Track pad, you can also do a three finger Tripple tap like on 
> the iPhone.
> 
>> On Feb 23, 2023, at 13:44, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> To setup a commander  to toggle the mute speech for VoiceOver, first open 
>> voiceover utility with vo f 8 that  is control option f 8.  Next press 
>> command 8 to jump to commanders. 
>> Next  vo right arrow to the keyboard tab and then press vo space bar on it. 
>> Next tab to the add button, and hit VO Space. 
>> Next type the letter you want to use along with the right option key. 
>> I had to press VO space before I could type in the edit field.
>> Next vo right arrow to the command menu button and then press space bar on 
>> it. 
>> Next  press the down arrow key to find speech,
>>  and then press the right arrow to open it. 
>> Next press down arrow to find Mute  speech toggle and press enter.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 23, 2023, at 2:23 PM, Barbara Hollick >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello, 
>>> Does anyone know the keyboard command to mute/unmute speech within 
>>> voiceover utility? 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Barb
>>> -- 
>>> Barbara Hollick
>>> Teacher of Students with Visual Impairments
>>> Certified Orientation and Mobility Instructor
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Re: Mute speech

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I know that Herbie meant to point out, that to do the 3-finger triple tap gesture, to  mute/unmute speech, you must first enable the Trackpad Commander, using the  VO modifier and the clockwise rotor gesture.- Brad -On Feb 23, 2023, at 13:46, Herbie Allen  wrote:If you have a Track pad, you can also do a three finger Tripple tap like on the iPhone.On Feb 23, 2023, at 13:44, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries  wrote:Hi,To setup a commander  to toggle the mute speech for VoiceOver, first open voiceover utility with vo f 8 that  is control option f 8.  Next press command 8 to jump to commanders. Next  vo right arrow to the keyboard tab and then press vo space bar on it. Next tab to the add button, and hit VO Space. Next type the letter you want to use along with the right option key. I had to press VO space before I could type in the edit field.Next vo right arrow to the command menu button and then press space bar on it. Next  press the down arrow key to find speech, and then press the right arrow to open it. Next press down arrow to find Mute  speech toggle and press enter.On Feb 23, 2023, at 2:23 PM, Barbara Hollick  wrote:Hello, Does anyone know the keyboard command to mute/unmute speech within voiceover utility? Thanks,Barb-- Barbara HollickTeacher of Students with Visual ImpairmentsCertified Orientation and Mobility Instructor


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Re: Mute speech

[Herbie Allen]

If you have a Track pad, you can also do a three finger Tripple tap like on the 
iPhone.

> On Feb 23, 2023, at 13:44, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> To setup a commander  to toggle the mute speech for VoiceOver, first open 
> voiceover utility with vo f 8 that  is control option f 8.  Next press 
> command 8 to jump to commanders. 
> Next  vo right arrow to the keyboard tab and then press vo space bar on it. 
> Next tab to the add button, and hit VO Space. 
> Next type the letter you want to use along with the right option key. 
> I had to press VO space before I could type in the edit field.
> Next vo right arrow to the command menu button and then press space bar on 
> it. 
> Next  press the down arrow key to find speech,
>  and then press the right arrow to open it. 
> Next press down arrow to find Mute  speech toggle and press enter.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 23, 2023, at 2:23 PM, Barbara Hollick > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, 
>> Does anyone know the keyboard command to mute/unmute speech within voiceover 
>> utility? 
>> Thanks,
>> Barb
>> -- 
>> Barbara Hollick
>> Teacher of Students with Visual Impairments
>> Certified Orientation and Mobility Instructor
>> 
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Re: Mute speech

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Hi,
To setup a commander  to toggle the mute speech for VoiceOver, first open 
voiceover utility with vo f 8 that  is control option f 8.  Next press command 
8 to jump to commanders. 
Next  vo right arrow to the keyboard tab and then press vo space bar on it. 
Next tab to the add button, and hit VO Space. 
Next type the letter you want to use along with the right option key. 
I had to press VO space before I could type in the edit field.
Next vo right arrow to the command menu button and then press space bar on it. 
Next  press the down arrow key to find speech,
 and then press the right arrow to open it. 
Next press down arrow to find Mute  speech toggle and press enter.



> On Feb 23, 2023, at 2:23 PM, Barbara Hollick  wrote:
> 
> Hello, 
> Does anyone know the keyboard command to mute/unmute speech within voiceover 
> utility? 
> Thanks,
> Barb
> -- 
> Barbara Hollick
> Teacher of Students with Visual Impairments
> Certified Orientation and Mobility Instructor
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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

[Kliph]

I also do this. I use right option key and the coma key, don’t have to use it 
very often, but it works. It’s as simple as going into vo utilities, 
commanders, and keyboard,. Select the proper category, and set it up.

> On Nov 3, 2022, at 9:04 AM, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> Do you know pressing the control key pauses speech?
> But if you want to have a hot key to mute speech, it can be done.
> I have been doing it for years.
> I am surprised that no-body has mentioned adding a commander.
> I use option plus the tiller or AKA the grove key located under the escape 
> key.
> I will look for my notes on how to do it.
> Thanks,
> Rob
> 
>  
> 
>> On Nov 3, 2022, at 1:30 AM, Fazil M. > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, Group.
>> Can I mute voiceover speech with Keyboard?
>> I am not talking about trackpad, I am talking about keyboard.
>> Thanks!
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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

[Mohammad Fazil]

I have done it successfully too! thanks to all who helped us.
Thanks!

On Nov 3, 2022, at 5:39 PM, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

I am creating that commander to mute speech as I write.  This is a good review 
for me, but if I say something wrong, I hope someone will set the record 
straight.

Go to VO Utility, VO F8.
Find the categories table and navigate down to commanders.  Once you have 
opened commanders, you will first see numpad, which is selected by default.  
Navigate to the right to keyboard and VO space on it.

Navigate past the Quick Nav commander to the checkbox that says enable keyboard 
commander and make sure it is checked.
The next control is for the key you will use.  I think that right option is the 
default, but the other choices are left option key and both option keys.  This 
is a popup where you VO space, navigate to the choice you want, and VO space.  
Which one you choose depends on whether you will ever need to use any of the 
other keyboard commands that use the left option key.

After this you will find the table that contains all the keyboard commanders 
that exist so far.  The table contains two columns, one for the keystroke 
itself on the left and the other for the command you want to perform with that 
keystroke.  To use the commander, you will type that keystroke along with the 
modifier key you chose for the commander.  For example, if you chose left and 
right option keys, you would be able to press either option key plus the key 
you have assigned.  If you have never looked at this table, it would not hurt 
to just examine it before you add the commander.

Beyond the table is the add button, which you will press to create the 
commander.

Once you press the add button, you will see  two columns.  The first column 
will be blank until you enter a keystroke for your new commander.  The column 
on the right is a menu button, where you will select the action you want the 
commander to perform.  This menu opens to the right, and the commands are 
groups into a number of categories that are worth examining at some point.  In 
this example, you need the speech category, so you will arrow to the right and 
locate this.  Press VO space or enter, I believe either will work.  If the key 
you entered is already in use, you will be warned that the commander could not 
be created and put back into the fields.  The left column for the keystroke 
will be blank, but the action you chose will still be in the right column, and 
you can just write a new key for it.

This is one of those procedures that looks and sounds much more difficult than 
it actually is.  But doing some practice runs is still a very good idea.  The 
list of commands that can be chosen is quite extensive, and it might take a 
while to feel oriented in this very long list.  But first letter navigation can 
be used once you know where to find things.  Again, it is easy, but it is 
better not to create the first one when you are in a big hurry.

Hope there are no mistakes in here.

On Nov 3, 2022, at 2:50 PM, Mohammad Fazil  wrote:

Somebody has sent step-by-step instructions for adding Commander shortcut. I 
have deleted that message by mistake. Could someone, please, sent message to my 
personal email at:

mfa...@outlook.com

Thanks!
On Nov 3, 2022, at 10:58 AM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Yes, this does often work.
Devin Prater
d.pra...@me.com

Https://write.as/devinprater

On Nov 3, 2022, at 12:43 PM, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

When VoiceOver just keeps going on and on, even though you have pressed the 
control key. Try pressing the caps lock key. that should make it hush.
Rob


On Nov 3, 2022, at 1:22 PM, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

I wrote to Apple about the problem with not being able to mute speech in 
mailboxes when viewing messages with two or more lines showing.  This is one of 
the situations where using the control key just doesn’t work.  They said they 
had been able to replicate the problem.  In the meantime, I will create the 
commander because I don’t want to go back to not viewing any of the message, 
which was the work-around solution they proposed to me.


On Nov 3, 2022, at 11:24 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Using the control key has always worked for me. Many times when I am carrying 
out a task, I do not always need to hear what VO is saying. Muting speech at 
such times is not an option whereas pausing speech is.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
--John F. Kennedy
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 11/3/2022 9:17 AM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Yes, I’ve experienced this too.
Devin Prater
d.pra...@me.com
Https://write.as/devinprater
On Nov 3, 2022, at 11:16 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

In my experience it does not always pause what VO is speaking in the moment.
Cheers,
Donna

On Nov 3, 2022, at 11:13 AM, 'E.T.' via 

Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

['Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries]

I am creating that commander to mute speech as I write.  This is a good review 
for me, but if I say something wrong, I hope someone will set the record 
straight.

Go to VO Utility, VO F8.
Find the categories table and navigate down to commanders.  Once you have 
opened commanders, you will first see numpad, which is selected by default.  
Navigate to the right to keyboard and VO space on it.

Navigate past the Quick Nav commander to the checkbox that says enable keyboard 
commander and make sure it is checked.  
The next control is for the key you will use.  I think that right option is the 
default, but the other choices are left option key and both option keys.  This 
is a popup where you VO space, navigate to the choice you want, and VO space.  
Which one you choose depends on whether you will ever need to use any of the 
other keyboard commands that use the left option key. 

After this you will find the table that contains all the keyboard commanders 
that exist so far.  The table contains two columns, one for the keystroke 
itself on the left and the other for the command you want to perform with that 
keystroke.  To use the commander, you will type that keystroke along with the 
modifier key you chose for the commander.  For example, if you chose left and 
right option keys, you would be able to press either option key plus the key 
you have assigned.  If you have never looked at this table, it would not hurt 
to just examine it before you add the commander.

Beyond the table is the add button, which you will press to create the 
commander.

Once you press the add button, you will see  two columns.  The first column 
will be blank until you enter a keystroke for your new commander.  The column 
on the right is a menu button, where you will select the action you want the 
commander to perform.  This menu opens to the right, and the commands are 
groups into a number of categories that are worth examining at some point.  In 
this example, you need the speech category, so you will arrow to the right and 
locate this.  Press VO space or enter, I believe either will work.  If the key 
you entered is already in use, you will be warned that the commander could not 
be created and put back into the fields.  The left column for the keystroke 
will be blank, but the action you chose will still be in the right column, and 
you can just write a new key for it. 

This is one of those procedures that looks and sounds much more difficult than 
it actually is.  But doing some practice runs is still a very good idea.  The 
list of commands that can be chosen is quite extensive, and it might take a 
while to feel oriented in this very long list.  But first letter navigation can 
be used once you know where to find things.  Again, it is easy, but it is 
better not to create the first one when you are in a big hurry.

Hope there are no mistakes in here.
  
On Nov 3, 2022, at 2:50 PM, Mohammad Fazil  wrote:
> 
> Somebody has sent step-by-step instructions for adding Commander shortcut. I 
> have deleted that message by mistake. Could someone, please, sent message to 
> my personal email at:
> 
> mfa...@outlook.com
> 
> Thanks!
>> On Nov 3, 2022, at 10:58 AM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, this does often work.
>> Devin Prater
>> d.pra...@me.com
>> 
>> Https://write.as/devinprater
>> 
>>> On Nov 3, 2022, at 12:43 PM, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> When VoiceOver just keeps going on and on, even though you have pressed the 
>>> control key. Try pressing the caps lock key. that should make it hush.
>>> Rob
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 3, 2022, at 1:22 PM, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 I wrote to Apple about the problem with not being able to mute speech in 
 mailboxes when viewing messages with two or more lines showing.  This is 
 one of the situations where using the control key just doesn’t work.  They 
 said they had been able to replicate the problem.  In the meantime, I will 
 create the commander because I don’t want to go back to not viewing any of 
 the message, which was the work-around solution they proposed to me.
 
 
> On Nov 3, 2022, at 11:24 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Using the control key has always worked for me. Many times when I am 
> carrying out a task, I do not always need to hear what VO is saying. 
> Muting speech at such times is not an option whereas pausing speech is.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
> will make violent revolution inevitable."
> --John F. Kennedy
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 11/3/2022 9:17 AM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Yes, I’ve experienced this too.
>> Devin Prater
>> d.pra...@me.com
>> Https://write.as/devinprater
>>> On Nov 3, 2022, at 11:16 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:

Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

[Mohammad Fazil]

Somebody has sent step-by-step instructions for adding Commander shortcut. I 
have deleted that message by mistake. Could someone, please, sent message to my 
personal email at:

mfa...@outlook.com

Thanks!
On Nov 3, 2022, at 10:58 AM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Yes, this does often work.
Devin Prater
d.pra...@me.com

Https://write.as/devinprater

On Nov 3, 2022, at 12:43 PM, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

When VoiceOver just keeps going on and on, even though you have pressed the 
control key. Try pressing the caps lock key. that should make it hush.
Rob


On Nov 3, 2022, at 1:22 PM, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

I wrote to Apple about the problem with not being able to mute speech in 
mailboxes when viewing messages with two or more lines showing.  This is one of 
the situations where using the control key just doesn’t work.  They said they 
had been able to replicate the problem.  In the meantime, I will create the 
commander because I don’t want to go back to not viewing any of the message, 
which was the work-around solution they proposed to me.


On Nov 3, 2022, at 11:24 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Using the control key has always worked for me. Many times when I am carrying 
out a task, I do not always need to hear what VO is saying. Muting speech at 
such times is not an option whereas pausing speech is.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
--John F. Kennedy
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 11/3/2022 9:17 AM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Yes, I’ve experienced this too.
Devin Prater
d.pra...@me.com
Https://write.as/devinprater
On Nov 3, 2022, at 11:16 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

In my experience it does not always pause what VO is speaking in the moment.
Cheers,
Donna

On Nov 3, 2022, at 11:13 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

The control key does exactly what is is supposed to do. It "pauses" what 
Voiceover is speaking at the moment. It will not pause what VO speaks next.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
--John F. Kennedy
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 11/3/2022 8:30 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Tapping control only works for me some of the time.  I frequently have to tap 
it more than once.  It’s still handy, just not 100% reliable.
Cheers,
Donna
On Nov 3, 2022, at 9:04 AM, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:

Hi,

Do you know pressing the control key pauses speech?
But if you want to have a hot key to mute speech, it can be done.
I have been doing it for years.
I am surprised that no-body has mentioned adding a commander.
I use option plus the tiller or AKA the grove key located under the escape key.
I will look for my notes on how to do it.
Thanks,
Rob



On Nov 3, 2022, at 1:30 AM, Fazil M. mailto:mfa...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Hi, Group.
Can I mute voiceover speech with Keyboard?
I am not talking about trackpad, I am talking about keyboard.
Thanks!

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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

['Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries]

Yes, this does often work.
Devin Prater
d.pra...@me.com

Https://write.as/devinprater

> On Nov 3, 2022, at 12:43 PM, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> When VoiceOver just keeps going on and on, even though you have pressed the 
> control key. Try pressing the caps lock key. that should make it hush.
> Rob
> 
> 
>> On Nov 3, 2022, at 1:22 PM, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I wrote to Apple about the problem with not being able to mute speech in 
>> mailboxes when viewing messages with two or more lines showing.  This is one 
>> of the situations where using the control key just doesn’t work.  They said 
>> they had been able to replicate the problem.  In the meantime, I will create 
>> the commander because I don’t want to go back to not viewing any of the 
>> message, which was the work-around solution they proposed to me.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 3, 2022, at 11:24 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Using the control key has always worked for me. Many times when I am 
>>> carrying out a task, I do not always need to hear what VO is saying. Muting 
>>> speech at such times is not an option whereas pausing speech is.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>>> --John F. Kennedy
>>> My e-Mail:
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 11/3/2022 9:17 AM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote:
 Yes, I’ve experienced this too.
 Devin Prater
 d.pra...@me.com
 Https://write.as/devinprater
> On Nov 3, 2022, at 11:16 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> In my experience it does not always pause what VO is speaking in the 
> moment.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Nov 3, 2022, at 11:13 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The control key does exactly what is is supposed to do. It "pauses" what 
>> Voiceover is speaking at the moment. It will not pause what VO speaks 
>> next.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>> --John F. Kennedy
>> My e-Mail:
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 11/3/2022 8:30 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> Tapping control only works for me some of the time.  I frequently have 
>>> to tap it more than once.  It’s still handy, just not 100% reliable.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Nov 3, 2022, at 9:04 AM, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
 >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Do you know pressing the control key pauses speech?
 But if you want to have a hot key to mute speech, it can be done.
 I have been doing it for years.
 I am surprised that no-body has mentioned adding a commander.
 I use option plus the tiller or AKA the grove key located under the 
 escape key.
 I will look for my notes on how to do it.
 Thanks,
 Rob
 
 
 
> On Nov 3, 2022, at 1:30 AM, Fazil M.  > wrote:
> 
> Hi, Group.
> Can I mute voiceover speech with Keyboard?
> I am not talking about trackpad, I am talking about keyboard.
> Thanks!
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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

[Mohammad Fazil]

Thanks much, I found it now. When I press Function Key with F10, it mutes my 
speech.
Thanks again.

On Nov 2, 2022, at 10:49 PM, Bradford Snyder  wrote:

F10 mutes system volume.
This is not the same as muting VoiceOver speech.

- Brad -



On Nov 3, 2022, at 00:40, Lorie McCloud 
mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Brad, I can mute my speech on my Mac with F10 press same key again to unmute.

On Nov 3, 2022, at 12:35 AM, Bradford Snyder 
mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

No, there is no keyboard command to mute speech.
This can only be done using the trackpad.

- Brad -



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Hi, Group.
Can I mute voiceover speech with Keyboard?
I am not talking about trackpad, I am talking about keyboard.
Thanks!


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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

['Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries]

I wrote to Apple about the problem with not being able to mute speech in 
mailboxes when viewing messages with two or more lines showing.  This is one of 
the situations where using the control key just doesn’t work.  They said they 
had been able to replicate the problem.  In the meantime, I will create the 
commander because I don’t want to go back to not viewing any of the message, 
which was the work-around solution they proposed to me.


> On Nov 3, 2022, at 11:24 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   Using the control key has always worked for me. Many times when I am 
> carrying out a task, I do not always need to hear what VO is saying. Muting 
> speech at such times is not an option whereas pausing speech is.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
> will make violent revolution inevitable."
> --John F. Kennedy
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 11/3/2022 9:17 AM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Yes, I’ve experienced this too.
>> Devin Prater
>> d.pra...@me.com
>> Https://write.as/devinprater
>>> On Nov 3, 2022, at 11:16 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> In my experience it does not always pause what VO is speaking in the moment.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Nov 3, 2022, at 11:13 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
  The control key does exactly what is is supposed to do. It "pauses" what 
 Voiceover is speaking at the moment. It will not pause what VO speaks next.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
 will make violent revolution inevitable."
 --John F. Kennedy
 My e-Mail:
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 11/3/2022 8:30 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> Tapping control only works for me some of the time.  I frequently have to 
> tap it more than once.  It’s still handy, just not 100% reliable.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Nov 3, 2022, at 9:04 AM, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Do you know pressing the control key pauses speech?
>> But if you want to have a hot key to mute speech, it can be done.
>> I have been doing it for years.
>> I am surprised that no-body has mentioned adding a commander.
>> I use option plus the tiller or AKA the grove key located under the 
>> escape key.
>> I will look for my notes on how to do it.
>> Thanks,
>> Rob
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 3, 2022, at 1:30 AM, Fazil M. >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, Group.
>>> Can I mute voiceover speech with Keyboard?
>>> I am not talking about trackpad, I am talking about keyboard.
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

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Thanks much! do I have to do something else prior to pressing F10? The reason I 
am asking this is that when I press F10, it gives me an error blip sound.
Thanks again.
On Nov 2, 2022, at 10:41 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

Yes. F10 does this.

On Nov 3, 2022, at 12:30 AM, Fazil M. 
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Can I mute voiceover speech with Keyboard?
I am not talking about trackpad, I am talking about keyboard.
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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Using the control key has always worked for me. Many times when I am 
carrying out a task, I do not always need to hear what VO is saying. 
Muting speech at such times is not an option whereas pausing speech is.


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On 11/3/2022 9:17 AM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Yes, I’ve experienced this too.
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On Nov 3, 2022, at 11:16 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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In my experience it does not always pause what VO is speaking in the 
moment.

Cheers,
Donna

On Nov 3, 2022, at 11:13 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:


 The control key does exactly what is is supposed to do. It "pauses" 
what Voiceover is speaking at the moment. It will not pause what VO 
speaks next.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
--John F. Kennedy
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 11/3/2022 8:30 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Tapping control only works for me some of the time.  I frequently 
have to tap it more than once.  It’s still handy, just not 100% 
reliable.

Cheers,
Donna
On Nov 3, 2022, at 9:04 AM, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


Hi,

Do you know pressing the control key pauses speech?
But if you want to have a hot key to mute speech, it can be done.
I have been doing it for years.
I am surprised that no-body has mentioned adding a commander.
I use option plus the tiller or AKA the grove key located under the 
escape key.

I will look for my notes on how to do it.
Thanks,
Rob



On Nov 3, 2022, at 1:30 AM, Fazil M. > wrote:


Hi, Group.
Can I mute voiceover speech with Keyboard?
I am not talking about trackpad, I am talking about keyboard.
Thanks!

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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

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Yes, I’ve experienced this too.
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> On Nov 3, 2022, at 11:16 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> In my experience it does not always pause what VO is speaking in the moment.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Nov 3, 2022, at 11:13 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  The control key does exactly what is is supposed to do. It "pauses" what 
>> Voiceover is speaking at the moment. It will not pause what VO speaks next.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>> --John F. Kennedy
>> My e-Mail:
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 11/3/2022 8:30 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> Tapping control only works for me some of the time.  I frequently have to 
>>> tap it more than once.  It’s still handy, just not 100% reliable.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Nov 3, 2022, at 9:04 AM, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Do you know pressing the control key pauses speech?
 But if you want to have a hot key to mute speech, it can be done.
 I have been doing it for years.
 I am surprised that no-body has mentioned adding a commander.
 I use option plus the tiller or AKA the grove key located under the escape 
 key.
 I will look for my notes on how to do it.
 Thanks,
 Rob
 
 
 
> On Nov 3, 2022, at 1:30 AM, Fazil M.  > wrote:
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> Hi, Group.
> Can I mute voiceover speech with Keyboard?
> I am not talking about trackpad, I am talking about keyboard.
> Thanks!
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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

In my experience it does not always pause what VO is speaking in the moment.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Nov 3, 2022, at 11:13 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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>   The control key does exactly what is is supposed to do. It "pauses" what 
> Voiceover is speaking at the moment. It will not pause what VO speaks next.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
> will make violent revolution inevitable."
> --John F. Kennedy
> My e-Mail:
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> On 11/3/2022 8:30 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Tapping control only works for me some of the time.  I frequently have to 
>> tap it more than once.  It’s still handy, just not 100% reliable.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Nov 3, 2022, at 9:04 AM, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Do you know pressing the control key pauses speech?
>>> But if you want to have a hot key to mute speech, it can be done.
>>> I have been doing it for years.
>>> I am surprised that no-body has mentioned adding a commander.
>>> I use option plus the tiller or AKA the grove key located under the escape 
>>> key.
>>> I will look for my notes on how to do it.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Rob
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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 Hi, Group.
 Can I mute voiceover speech with Keyboard?
 I am not talking about trackpad, I am talking about keyboard.
 Thanks!
 
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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   The control key does exactly what is is supposed to do. It "pauses" 
what Voiceover is speaking at the moment. It will not pause what VO 
speaks next.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
 --John F. Kennedy
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 11/3/2022 8:30 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Tapping control only works for me some of the time.  I frequently have 
to tap it more than once.  It’s still handy, just not 100% reliable.

Cheers,
Donna

On Nov 3, 2022, at 9:04 AM, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


Hi,

Do you know pressing the control key pauses speech?
But if you want to have a hot key to mute speech, it can be done.
I have been doing it for years.
I am surprised that no-body has mentioned adding a commander.
I use option plus the tiller or AKA the grove key located under the 
escape key.

I will look for my notes on how to do it.
Thanks,
Rob



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Hi, Group.
Can I mute voiceover speech with Keyboard?
I am not talking about trackpad, I am talking about keyboard.
Thanks!

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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

[Dave Carlson]

Rob,
Very nice. Thanks for the step-by-step.

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On Nov 3, 2022, at 8:36 AM, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
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OK, here are the instructions to add a commander to mute speech.
To setup a commander  to toggle the mute speech for VoiceOver, first open 
voiceover utility with vo f 8 that  is control option f 8.  Next press command 
8 to jump to commanders. 
Next  vo right arrow to the keyboard tab and then press vo space bar on it. 
Next tab to the add button, and hit VO Space. 
Next type the letter you want to use along with the right option key. 
Note, I had to press VO space before I could type in the edit field.
Next vo right arrow to the command menu button and then press space bar on it. 
Next  press the down arrow key to find speech,
 and then press the right arrow to open it. 
Next press down arrow to find Mute  speech toggle and press enter.
Good Luck!
Rob



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> Hi,
> 
> Do you know pressing the control key pauses speech?
> But if you want to have a hot key to mute speech, it can be done.
> I have been doing it for years.
> I am surprised that no-body has mentioned adding a commander.
> I use option plus the tiller or AKA the grove key located under the escape 
> key.
> I will look for my notes on how to do it.
> Thanks,
> Rob
> 
>  
> 
>> On Nov 3, 2022, at 1:30 AM, Fazil M. > > wrote:
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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

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OK, here are the instructions to add a commander to mute speech.
To setup a commander  to toggle the mute speech for VoiceOver, first open 
voiceover utility with vo f 8 that  is control option f 8.  Next press command 
8 to jump to commanders. 
Next  vo right arrow to the keyboard tab and then press vo space bar on it. 
Next tab to the add button, and hit VO Space. 
Next type the letter you want to use along with the right option key. 
Note, I had to press VO space before I could type in the edit field.
Next vo right arrow to the command menu button and then press space bar on it. 
Next  press the down arrow key to find speech,
 and then press the right arrow to open it. 
Next press down arrow to find Mute  speech toggle and press enter.
Good Luck!
Rob



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> Do you know pressing the control key pauses speech?
> But if you want to have a hot key to mute speech, it can be done.
> I have been doing it for years.
> I am surprised that no-body has mentioned adding a commander.
> I use option plus the tiller or AKA the grove key located under the escape 
> key.
> I will look for my notes on how to do it.
> Thanks,
> Rob
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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Tapping control only works for me some of the time.  I frequently have to tap 
it more than once.  It’s still handy, just not 100% reliable.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Nov 3, 2022, at 9:04 AM, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
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> I use option plus the tiller or AKA the grove key located under the escape 
> key.
> I will look for my notes on how to do it.
> Thanks,
> Rob
> 
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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Do you know pressing the control key pauses speech?
But if you want to have a hot key to mute speech, it can be done.
I have been doing it for years.
I am surprised that no-body has mentioned adding a commander.
I use option plus the tiller or AKA the grove key located under the escape key.
I will look for my notes on how to do it.
Thanks,
Rob

 

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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

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On my MBA, pressing F10 mutes sound.  It mutes all sound, so if you’re trying 
to mute speech in order to hear something else, that isn’t a good solution.  
But if you are good with muting all sound, it’s quick and easy.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Nov 3, 2022, at 7:52 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> The only way to do it with the keyboard is to go to the VO utility and check 
> the box under sound. However, the Trackpad method with the three finger 
> double tap is much more efficient for a number of reasons, mainly it’s easy 
> to duplicate to unmute where as the keyboard method, unless you have another 
> way of accessing the screen, you can’t afford to lose focus.
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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

[Herbie Allen]

The only way to do it with the keyboard is to go to the VO utility and check 
the box under sound. However, the Trackpad method with the three finger double 
tap is much more efficient for a number of reasons, mainly it’s easy to 
duplicate to unmute where as the keyboard method, unless you have another way 
of accessing the screen, you can’t afford to lose focus.

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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

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It mutes everything.
The original question asked specifically, how to mute speech using a keyboard 
instead of the trackpad.
Like I said, using F10 to mute system volume is not the same thing.

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On Nov 3, 2022, at 00:52, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

ok but that effectively mutes speech. probably other things too.

Sent from my iPhone

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F10 mutes system volume.
This is not the same as muting VoiceOver speech. 

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Brad, I can mute my speech on my Mac with F10 press same key again to unmute.

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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

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ok but that effectively mutes speech. probably other things too.

Sent from my iPhone

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F10 mutes system volume.
This is not the same as muting VoiceOver speech. 

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Brad, I can mute my speech on my Mac with F10 press same key again to unmute.

> On Nov 3, 2022, at 12:35 AM, Bradford Snyder  wrote:
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> No, there is no keyboard command to mute speech.
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> - Brad -
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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

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F10 mutes system volume.
This is not the same as muting VoiceOver speech. 

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On Nov 3, 2022, at 00:40, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

Brad, I can mute my speech on my Mac with F10 press same key again to unmute.

> On Nov 3, 2022, at 12:35 AM, Bradford Snyder  > wrote:
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> No, there is no keyboard command to mute speech.
> This can only be done using the trackpad.
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> On Nov 3, 2022, at 00:30, Fazil M.  > wrote:
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> Hi, Group.
> Can I mute voiceover speech with Keyboard?
> I am not talking about trackpad, I am talking about keyboard.
> Thanks!
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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

[Lorie McCloud]

Yes. F10 does this.

> On Nov 3, 2022, at 12:30 AM, Fazil M.  wrote:
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> Hi, Group.
> Can I mute voiceover speech with Keyboard?
> I am not talking about trackpad, I am talking about keyboard.
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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

[Lorie McCloud]

Brad, I can mute my speech on my Mac with F10 press same key again to unmute.

> On Nov 3, 2022, at 12:35 AM, Bradford Snyder  wrote:
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> No, there is no keyboard command to mute speech.
> This can only be done using the trackpad.
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> On Nov 3, 2022, at 00:30, Fazil M.  > wrote:
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> Hi, Group.
> Can I mute voiceover speech with Keyboard?
> I am not talking about trackpad, I am talking about keyboard.
> Thanks!
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Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

[Bradford Snyder]

No, there is no keyboard command to mute speech.
This can only be done using the trackpad.

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On Nov 3, 2022, at 00:30, Fazil M.  wrote:

Hi, Group.
Can I mute voiceover speech with Keyboard?
I am not talking about trackpad, I am talking about keyboard.
Thanks!
 

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Re: Two questions re configuring speech on my M1 Mac

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Ah.  Well, thanks anyway for answering.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Aug 4, 2021, at 1:21 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> I do not use non-English voices on my Mac, so I am not able to help with this 
> one.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Aug 4, 2021, at 08:32, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> And sorry, Brad, for calling you Greg. :)
> 
> Do you happen to know the answer to my other question - how to select a voice 
> in the customize voices list?
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Aug 4, 2021, at 8:29 AM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, Greg.  I knew those keystrokes controled system sounds, but didn’t 
>> realize they also controled the system voice
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Aug 4, 2021, at 8:23 AM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> It is not necessary to go to System  Preferences to adjust the system 
>>> output volume.
>>> System volume can be adjusted on the fly using F11 to decrease system 
>>> volume, and F 12 to increase system volume.
>>> Additionally, on macOS version Yosemite and  newer, VoiceOver users can 
>>> adjust system volume using VO + Minus To decrease system volume, and VO + 
>>> Equals to increase system volume. These are the two keys located 
>>> immediately to the left of the Delete/Backspace key on the NumberRow.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Aug 4, 2021, at 05:38, Greg Wocher >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I thought that you could adjust the sound there but I was wrong. If you go 
>>> to system preferences/sound and then choose the output tab you can adjust 
>>> the system volume there. This might be what you are looking for.
>>> 
>>> Greg WOcher
>>> 
>>> 
> On Aug 3, 2021, at 4:19 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
 
 Hi Greg,
 
 Thanks for the help.  I find an option to adjust the speaking rate, but 
 not voice volume.  Am I missing something?
 Cheers,
 Donna
>> On Aug 3, 2021, at 2:56 PM, Greg Wocher > > wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> The settings for the system voice can be found in system preferences. Go 
> to system preferences/accessibility. Once you get to the accessibility 
> settings you will find a table to select different options. Look for the 
> one called spoken content. This is where you will find the options to 
> select the settings for the system voice.
> 
> Greg Wocher
> 
> 
>> On Aug 3, 2021, at 3:40 PM, Les Kriegler > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> Well, then I will be interested to learn the answer to that as well. 
>> What about the two keystrokes I mention being function key 11 and 
>> function key 12? Does not affect the system voice? Anyway, hope you get 
>> your question answered soon.
>> Best, Les
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 3, 2021, at 3:36 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Les,
>>> 
>>> You do that to adjust the VO voice that you have selected, that is the 
>>> voice that reads the screen and stuff.  I’m talking about the system 
>>> voice, the one that gives you system alerts, speaks at login,, etc.  
>>> That control isn’t in the menu that you’re talking about.  Thanks, 
>>> though.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Aug 3, 2021, at 2:19 PM, Les Kriegler >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi Donna,
 
 I don’t have my Mac with me, but I believe for adjusting the volume 
 you need to do VO shift left and right arrow or VO shift command left 
 and right arrow to move through the categories. Once you land and 
 volume you will use the same combination but with a downer or a 
 payroll to adjust the volume lower or higher. Now, if by chance your 
 function keys are such a control your max media capability, then it’s 
 a lot easier. F 11 lower volume and F 12 raises it. Hope this helps. 
 Take care.
 Best,
 Les
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Aug 3, 2021, at 12:14 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> First, I use multiple languages, so am trying to configure the voices 
> for my secondary languages.  I go into VO utility, select Speech, 
> select the language in question, and select customize to change the 
> voice.  I can go into the list of voices, but can’t seem to check the 
> one I want.  Pressing Space does nothing, Pressing VO-Space does 
> 

Re: Two questions re configuring speech on my M1 Mac

[Brad Snyder]

Hi Donna,

I do not use non-English voices on my Mac, so I am not able to help with this 
one.

- Brad -


On Aug 4, 2021, at 08:32, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

And sorry, Brad, for calling you Greg. :)

Do you happen to know the answer to my other question - how to select a voice 
in the customize voices list?
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 4, 2021, at 8:29 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Greg.  I knew those keystrokes controled system sounds, but didn’t 
> realize they also controled the system voice
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Aug 4, 2021, at 8:23 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> It is not necessary to go to System  Preferences to adjust the system 
>> output volume.
>> System volume can be adjusted on the fly using F11 to decrease system 
>> volume, and F 12 to increase system volume.
>> Additionally, on macOS version Yosemite and  newer, VoiceOver users can 
>> adjust system volume using VO + Minus To decrease system volume, and VO + 
>> Equals to increase system volume. These are the two keys located immediately 
>> to the left of the Delete/Backspace key on the NumberRow.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Aug 4, 2021, at 05:38, Greg Wocher  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I thought that you could adjust the sound there but I was wrong. If you go 
>> to system preferences/sound and then choose the output tab you can adjust 
>> the system volume there. This might be what you are looking for.
>> 
>> Greg WOcher
>> 
>> 
 On Aug 3, 2021, at 4:19 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Greg,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the help.  I find an option to adjust the speaking rate, but not 
>>> voice volume.  Am I missing something?
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
> On Aug 3, 2021, at 2:56 PM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
 
 Hello,
 The settings for the system voice can be found in system preferences. Go 
 to system preferences/accessibility. Once you get to the accessibility 
 settings you will find a table to select different options. Look for the 
 one called spoken content. This is where you will find the options to 
 select the settings for the system voice.
 
 Greg Wocher
 
 
> On Aug 3, 2021, at 3:40 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Well, then I will be interested to learn the answer to that as well. What 
> about the two keystrokes I mention being function key 11 and function key 
> 12? Does not affect the system voice? Anyway, hope you get your question 
> answered soon.
> Best, Les
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 3, 2021, at 3:36 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Les,
>> 
>> You do that to adjust the VO voice that you have selected, that is the 
>> voice that reads the screen and stuff.  I’m talking about the system 
>> voice, the one that gives you system alerts, speaks at login,, etc.  
>> That control isn’t in the menu that you’re talking about.  Thanks, 
>> though.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Aug 3, 2021, at 2:19 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> I don’t have my Mac with me, but I believe for adjusting the volume you 
>>> need to do VO shift left and right arrow or VO shift command left and 
>>> right arrow to move through the categories. Once you land and volume 
>>> you will use the same combination but with a downer or a payroll to 
>>> adjust the volume lower or higher. Now, if by chance your function keys 
>>> are such a control your max media capability, then it’s a lot easier. F 
>>> 11 lower volume and F 12 raises it. Hope this helps. Take care.
>>> Best,
>>> Les
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Aug 3, 2021, at 12:14 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 First, I use multiple languages, so am trying to configure the voices 
 for my secondary languages.  I go into VO utility, select Speech, 
 select the language in question, and select customize to change the 
 voice.  I can go into the list of voices, but can’t seem to check the 
 one I want.  Pressing Space does nothing, Pressing VO-Space does 
 nothing, and pressing Enter closes the customize dialog.  Any 
 suggestions?
 
 Second, my system voice is REALLY loud.  I would like to lower the 
 volume, but can’t find where to do it.  Anyone know how to do this?
 TIA,
 Donna
 
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Re: Two questions re configuring speech on my M1 Mac

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Greg.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 4, 2021, at 5:38 AM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I thought that you could adjust the sound there but I was wrong. If you go to 
> system preferences/sound and then choose the output tab you can adjust the 
> system volume there. This might be what you are looking for.
> 
> Greg WOcher
> 
> 
>> On Aug 3, 2021, at 4:19 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Greg,
>> 
>> Thanks for the help.  I find an option to adjust the speaking rate, but not 
>> voice volume.  Am I missing something?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
 On Aug 3, 2021, at 2:56 PM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> The settings for the system voice can be found in system preferences. Go to 
>>> system preferences/accessibility. Once you get to the accessibility 
>>> settings you will find a table to select different options. Look for the 
>>> one called spoken content. This is where you will find the options to 
>>> select the settings for the system voice.
>>> 
>>> Greg Wocher
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 3, 2021, at 3:40 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
 
 Hi Donna,
 
 Well, then I will be interested to learn the answer to that as well. What 
 about the two keystrokes I mention being function key 11 and function key 
 12? Does not affect the system voice? Anyway, hope you get your question 
 answered soon.
 Best, Les
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Aug 3, 2021, at 3:36 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Les,
> 
> You do that to adjust the VO voice that you have selected, that is the 
> voice that reads the screen and stuff.  I’m talking about the system 
> voice, the one that gives you system alerts, speaks at login,, etc.  That 
> control isn’t in the menu that you’re talking about.  Thanks, though.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Aug 3, 2021, at 2:19 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> I don’t have my Mac with me, but I believe for adjusting the volume you 
>> need to do VO shift left and right arrow or VO shift command left and 
>> right arrow to move through the categories. Once you land and volume you 
>> will use the same combination but with a downer or a payroll to adjust 
>> the volume lower or higher. Now, if by chance your function keys are 
>> such a control your max media capability, then it’s a lot easier. F 11 
>> lower volume and F 12 raises it. Hope this helps. Take care.
>> Best,
>> Les
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Aug 3, 2021, at 12:14 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> First, I use multiple languages, so am trying to configure the voices 
>>> for my secondary languages.  I go into VO utility, select Speech, 
>>> select the language in question, and select customize to change the 
>>> voice.  I can go into the list of voices, but can’t seem to check the 
>>> one I want.  Pressing Space does nothing, Pressing VO-Space does 
>>> nothing, and pressing Enter closes the customize dialog.  Any 
>>> suggestions?
>>> 
>>> Second, my system voice is REALLY loud.  I would like to lower the 
>>> volume, but can’t find where to do it.  Anyone know how to do this?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
>>> 
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Re: Two questions re configuring speech on my M1 Mac

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

And sorry, Brad, for calling you Greg. :)

Do you happen to know the answer to my other question - how to select a voice 
in the customize voices list?
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 4, 2021, at 8:29 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Greg.  I knew those keystrokes controled system sounds, but didn’t 
> realize they also controled the system voice
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Aug 4, 2021, at 8:23 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> It is not necessary to go to System  Preferences to adjust the system 
>> output volume.
>> System volume can be adjusted on the fly using F11 to decrease system 
>> volume, and F 12 to increase system volume.
>> Additionally, on macOS version Yosemite and  newer, VoiceOver users can 
>> adjust system volume using VO + Minus To decrease system volume, and VO + 
>> Equals to increase system volume. These are the two keys located immediately 
>> to the left of the Delete/Backspace key on the NumberRow.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Aug 4, 2021, at 05:38, Greg Wocher  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I thought that you could adjust the sound there but I was wrong. If you go 
>> to system preferences/sound and then choose the output tab you can adjust 
>> the system volume there. This might be what you are looking for.
>> 
>> Greg WOcher
>> 
>> 
 On Aug 3, 2021, at 4:19 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Greg,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the help.  I find an option to adjust the speaking rate, but not 
>>> voice volume.  Am I missing something?
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
> On Aug 3, 2021, at 2:56 PM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
 
 Hello,
 The settings for the system voice can be found in system preferences. Go 
 to system preferences/accessibility. Once you get to the accessibility 
 settings you will find a table to select different options. Look for the 
 one called spoken content. This is where you will find the options to 
 select the settings for the system voice.
 
 Greg Wocher
 
 
> On Aug 3, 2021, at 3:40 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Well, then I will be interested to learn the answer to that as well. What 
> about the two keystrokes I mention being function key 11 and function key 
> 12? Does not affect the system voice? Anyway, hope you get your question 
> answered soon.
> Best, Les
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 3, 2021, at 3:36 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Les,
>> 
>> You do that to adjust the VO voice that you have selected, that is the 
>> voice that reads the screen and stuff.  I’m talking about the system 
>> voice, the one that gives you system alerts, speaks at login,, etc.  
>> That control isn’t in the menu that you’re talking about.  Thanks, 
>> though.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Aug 3, 2021, at 2:19 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> I don’t have my Mac with me, but I believe for adjusting the volume you 
>>> need to do VO shift left and right arrow or VO shift command left and 
>>> right arrow to move through the categories. Once you land and volume 
>>> you will use the same combination but with a downer or a payroll to 
>>> adjust the volume lower or higher. Now, if by chance your function keys 
>>> are such a control your max media capability, then it’s a lot easier. F 
>>> 11 lower volume and F 12 raises it. Hope this helps. Take care.
>>> Best,
>>> Les
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Aug 3, 2021, at 12:14 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 First, I use multiple languages, so am trying to configure the voices 
 for my secondary languages.  I go into VO utility, select Speech, 
 select the language in question, and select customize to change the 
 voice.  I can go into the list of voices, but can’t seem to check the 
 one I want.  Pressing Space does nothing, Pressing VO-Space does 
 nothing, and pressing Enter closes the customize dialog.  Any 
 suggestions?
 
 Second, my system voice is REALLY loud.  I would like to lower the 
 volume, but can’t find where to do it.  Anyone know how to do this?
 TIA,
 Donna
 
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Re: Two questions re configuring speech on my M1 Mac

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Greg.  I knew those keystrokes controled system sounds, but didn’t 
realize they also controled the system voice
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 4, 2021, at 8:23 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> It is not necessary to go to System  Preferences to adjust the system output 
> volume.
> System volume can be adjusted on the fly using F11 to decrease system volume, 
> and F 12 to increase system volume.
> Additionally, on macOS version Yosemite and  newer, VoiceOver users can 
> adjust system volume using VO + Minus To decrease system volume, and VO + 
> Equals to increase system volume. These are the two keys located immediately 
> to the left of the Delete/Backspace key on the NumberRow.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Aug 4, 2021, at 05:38, Greg Wocher  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I thought that you could adjust the sound there but I was wrong. If you go to 
> system preferences/sound and then choose the output tab you can adjust the 
> system volume there. This might be what you are looking for.
> 
> Greg WOcher
> 
> 
>> On Aug 3, 2021, at 4:19 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Greg,
>> 
>> Thanks for the help.  I find an option to adjust the speaking rate, but not 
>> voice volume.  Am I missing something?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
 On Aug 3, 2021, at 2:56 PM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> The settings for the system voice can be found in system preferences. Go to 
>>> system preferences/accessibility. Once you get to the accessibility 
>>> settings you will find a table to select different options. Look for the 
>>> one called spoken content. This is where you will find the options to 
>>> select the settings for the system voice.
>>> 
>>> Greg Wocher
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 3, 2021, at 3:40 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
 
 Hi Donna,
 
 Well, then I will be interested to learn the answer to that as well. What 
 about the two keystrokes I mention being function key 11 and function key 
 12? Does not affect the system voice? Anyway, hope you get your question 
 answered soon.
 Best, Les
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Aug 3, 2021, at 3:36 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Les,
> 
> You do that to adjust the VO voice that you have selected, that is the 
> voice that reads the screen and stuff.  I’m talking about the system 
> voice, the one that gives you system alerts, speaks at login,, etc.  That 
> control isn’t in the menu that you’re talking about.  Thanks, though.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Aug 3, 2021, at 2:19 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> I don’t have my Mac with me, but I believe for adjusting the volume you 
>> need to do VO shift left and right arrow or VO shift command left and 
>> right arrow to move through the categories. Once you land and volume you 
>> will use the same combination but with a downer or a payroll to adjust 
>> the volume lower or higher. Now, if by chance your function keys are 
>> such a control your max media capability, then it’s a lot easier. F 11 
>> lower volume and F 12 raises it. Hope this helps. Take care.
>> Best,
>> Les
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Aug 3, 2021, at 12:14 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> First, I use multiple languages, so am trying to configure the voices 
>>> for my secondary languages.  I go into VO utility, select Speech, 
>>> select the language in question, and select customize to change the 
>>> voice.  I can go into the list of voices, but can’t seem to check the 
>>> one I want.  Pressing Space does nothing, Pressing VO-Space does 
>>> nothing, and pressing Enter closes the customize dialog.  Any 
>>> suggestions?
>>> 
>>> Second, my system voice is REALLY loud.  I would like to lower the 
>>> volume, but can’t find where to do it.  Anyone know how to do this?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
>>> 
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Re: Two questions re configuring speech on my M1 Mac

[Brad Snyder]

It is not necessary to go to System  Preferences to adjust the system output 
volume.
System volume can be adjusted on the fly using F11 to decrease system volume, 
and F 12 to increase system volume.
Additionally, on macOS version Yosemite and  newer, VoiceOver users can adjust 
system volume using VO + Minus To decrease system volume, and VO + Equals to 
increase system volume. These are the two keys located immediately to the left 
of the Delete/Backspace key on the NumberRow.

HTH.


- Brad -

On Aug 4, 2021, at 05:38, Greg Wocher  wrote:

Hello,
I thought that you could adjust the sound there but I was wrong. If you go to 
system preferences/sound and then choose the output tab you can adjust the 
system volume there. This might be what you are looking for.

Greg WOcher


> On Aug 3, 2021, at 4:19 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Greg,
> 
> Thanks for the help.  I find an option to adjust the speaking rate, but not 
> voice volume.  Am I missing something?
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Aug 3, 2021, at 2:56 PM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> The settings for the system voice can be found in system preferences. Go to 
>> system preferences/accessibility. Once you get to the accessibility settings 
>> you will find a table to select different options. Look for the one called 
>> spoken content. This is where you will find the options to select the 
>> settings for the system voice.
>> 
>> Greg Wocher
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 3, 2021, at 3:40 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> Well, then I will be interested to learn the answer to that as well. What 
>>> about the two keystrokes I mention being function key 11 and function key 
>>> 12? Does not affect the system voice? Anyway, hope you get your question 
>>> answered soon.
>>> Best, Les
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 3, 2021, at 3:36 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi Les,
 
 You do that to adjust the VO voice that you have selected, that is the 
 voice that reads the screen and stuff.  I’m talking about the system 
 voice, the one that gives you system alerts, speaks at login,, etc.  That 
 control isn’t in the menu that you’re talking about.  Thanks, though.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
> On Aug 3, 2021, at 2:19 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> I don’t have my Mac with me, but I believe for adjusting the volume you 
> need to do VO shift left and right arrow or VO shift command left and 
> right arrow to move through the categories. Once you land and volume you 
> will use the same combination but with a downer or a payroll to adjust 
> the volume lower or higher. Now, if by chance your function keys are such 
> a control your max media capability, then it’s a lot easier. F 11 lower 
> volume and F 12 raises it. Hope this helps. Take care.
> Best,
> Les
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Aug 3, 2021, at 12:14 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> First, I use multiple languages, so am trying to configure the voices 
>> for my secondary languages.  I go into VO utility, select Speech, select 
>> the language in question, and select customize to change the voice.  I 
>> can go into the list of voices, but can’t seem to check the one I want.  
>> Pressing Space does nothing, Pressing VO-Space does nothing, and 
>> pressing Enter closes the customize dialog.  Any suggestions?
>> 
>> Second, my system voice is REALLY loud.  I would like to lower the 
>> volume, but can’t find where to do it.  Anyone know how to do this?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
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Re: Two questions re configuring speech on my M1 Mac

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,
I thought that you could adjust the sound there but I was wrong. If you go to 
system preferences/sound and then choose the output tab you can adjust the 
system volume there. This might be what you are looking for.

Greg WOcher


> On Aug 3, 2021, at 4:19 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Greg,
> 
> Thanks for the help.  I find an option to adjust the speaking rate, but not 
> voice volume.  Am I missing something?
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Aug 3, 2021, at 2:56 PM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> The settings for the system voice can be found in system preferences. Go to 
>> system preferences/accessibility. Once you get to the accessibility settings 
>> you will find a table to select different options. Look for the one called 
>> spoken content. This is where you will find the options to select the 
>> settings for the system voice.
>> 
>> Greg Wocher
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 3, 2021, at 3:40 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> Well, then I will be interested to learn the answer to that as well. What 
>>> about the two keystrokes I mention being function key 11 and function key 
>>> 12? Does not affect the system voice? Anyway, hope you get your question 
>>> answered soon.
>>> Best, Les
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 3, 2021, at 3:36 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi Les,
 
 You do that to adjust the VO voice that you have selected, that is the 
 voice that reads the screen and stuff.  I’m talking about the system 
 voice, the one that gives you system alerts, speaks at login,, etc.  That 
 control isn’t in the menu that you’re talking about.  Thanks, though.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
> On Aug 3, 2021, at 2:19 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> I don’t have my Mac with me, but I believe for adjusting the volume you 
> need to do VO shift left and right arrow or VO shift command left and 
> right arrow to move through the categories. Once you land and volume you 
> will use the same combination but with a downer or a payroll to adjust 
> the volume lower or higher. Now, if by chance your function keys are such 
> a control your max media capability, then it’s a lot easier. F 11 lower 
> volume and F 12 raises it. Hope this helps. Take care.
> Best,
> Les
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Aug 3, 2021, at 12:14 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> First, I use multiple languages, so am trying to configure the voices 
>> for my secondary languages.  I go into VO utility, select Speech, select 
>> the language in question, and select customize to change the voice.  I 
>> can go into the list of voices, but can’t seem to check the one I want.  
>> Pressing Space does nothing, Pressing VO-Space does nothing, and 
>> pressing Enter closes the customize dialog.  Any suggestions?
>> 
>> Second, my system voice is REALLY loud.  I would like to lower the 
>> volume, but can’t find where to do it.  Anyone know how to do this?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
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Re: Two questions re configuring speech on my M1 Mac

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Greg,

Thanks for the help.  I find an option to adjust the speaking rate, but not 
voice volume.  Am I missing something?
Cheers,
Donna
> On Aug 3, 2021, at 2:56 PM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> The settings for the system voice can be found in system preferences. Go to 
> system preferences/accessibility. Once you get to the accessibility settings 
> you will find a table to select different options. Look for the one called 
> spoken content. This is where you will find the options to select the 
> settings for the system voice.
> 
> Greg Wocher
> 
> 
>> On Aug 3, 2021, at 3:40 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> Well, then I will be interested to learn the answer to that as well. What 
>> about the two keystrokes I mention being function key 11 and function key 
>> 12? Does not affect the system voice? Anyway, hope you get your question 
>> answered soon.
>> Best, Les
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 3, 2021, at 3:36 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Les,
>>> 
>>> You do that to adjust the VO voice that you have selected, that is the 
>>> voice that reads the screen and stuff.  I’m talking about the system voice, 
>>> the one that gives you system alerts, speaks at login,, etc.  That control 
>>> isn’t in the menu that you’re talking about.  Thanks, though.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Aug 3, 2021, at 2:19 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
 
 Hi Donna,
 
 I don’t have my Mac with me, but I believe for adjusting the volume you 
 need to do VO shift left and right arrow or VO shift command left and 
 right arrow to move through the categories. Once you land and volume you 
 will use the same combination but with a downer or a payroll to adjust the 
 volume lower or higher. Now, if by chance your function keys are such a 
 control your max media capability, then it’s a lot easier. F 11 lower 
 volume and F 12 raises it. Hope this helps. Take care.
 Best,
 Les
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Aug 3, 2021, at 12:14 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> First, I use multiple languages, so am trying to configure the voices for 
> my secondary languages.  I go into VO utility, select Speech, select the 
> language in question, and select customize to change the voice.  I can go 
> into the list of voices, but can’t seem to check the one I want.  
> Pressing Space does nothing, Pressing VO-Space does nothing, and pressing 
> Enter closes the customize dialog.  Any suggestions?
> 
> Second, my system voice is REALLY loud.  I would like to lower the 
> volume, but can’t find where to do it.  Anyone know how to do this?
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
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Re: Two questions re configuring speech on my M1 Mac

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Greg,

That’s good to know. As a new user of the math, I always appreciate getting 
tips like you just gave. I will tell you that that’s why I bought a Logitech 
K860 keyboard. I can toggle function keys between standard function keys and 
the media functions of the laptop. In this way, every time I put up my machine 
and I want to lower or raise the volume, I hit F 11 or F 12. I’ll leave mine as 
a default to control the media functions since it’s an easy toggle to go 
back-and-forth. Having said all that, the information you provided is very 
helpful and useful. Thank you.
Best,
Les

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 3, 2021, at 3:56 PM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> The settings for the system voice can be found in system preferences. Go to 
> system preferences/accessibility. Once you get to the accessibility settings 
> you will find a table to select different options. Look for the one called 
> spoken content. This is where you will find the options to select the 
> settings for the system voice.
> 
> Greg Wocher
> 
> 
>> On Aug 3, 2021, at 3:40 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> Well, then I will be interested to learn the answer to that as well. What 
>> about the two keystrokes I mention being function key 11 and function key 
>> 12? Does not affect the system voice? Anyway, hope you get your question 
>> answered soon.
>> Best, Les
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Aug 3, 2021, at 3:36 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Les,
>>> 
>>> You do that to adjust the VO voice that you have selected, that is the 
>>> voice that reads the screen and stuff.  I’m talking about the system voice, 
>>> the one that gives you system alerts, speaks at login,, etc.  That control 
>>> isn’t in the menu that you’re talking about.  Thanks, though.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Aug 3, 2021, at 2:19 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
 
 Hi Donna,
 
 I don’t have my Mac with me, but I believe for adjusting the volume you 
 need to do VO shift left and right arrow or VO shift command left and 
 right arrow to move through the categories. Once you land and volume you 
 will use the same combination but with a downer or a payroll to adjust the 
 volume lower or higher. Now, if by chance your function keys are such a 
 control your max media capability, then it’s a lot easier. F 11 lower 
 volume and F 12 raises it. Hope this helps. Take care.
 Best,
 Les
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Aug 3, 2021, at 12:14 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> First, I use multiple languages, so am trying to configure the voices for 
> my secondary languages.  I go into VO utility, select Speech, select the 
> language in question, and select customize to change the voice.  I can go 
> into the list of voices, but can’t seem to check the one I want.  
> Pressing Space does nothing, Pressing VO-Space does nothing, and pressing 
> Enter closes the customize dialog.  Any suggestions?
> 
> Second, my system voice is REALLY loud.  I would like to lower the 
> volume, but can’t find where to do it.  Anyone know how to do this?
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
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Re: Two questions re configuring speech on my M1 Mac

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,
The settings for the system voice can be found in system preferences. Go to 
system preferences/accessibility. Once you get to the accessibility settings 
you will find a table to select different options. Look for the one called 
spoken content. This is where you will find the options to select the settings 
for the system voice.

Greg Wocher


> On Aug 3, 2021, at 3:40 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> Well, then I will be interested to learn the answer to that as well. What 
> about the two keystrokes I mention being function key 11 and function key 12? 
> Does not affect the system voice? Anyway, hope you get your question answered 
> soon.
> Best, Les
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 3, 2021, at 3:36 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Les,
>> 
>> You do that to adjust the VO voice that you have selected, that is the voice 
>> that reads the screen and stuff.  I’m talking about the system voice, the 
>> one that gives you system alerts, speaks at login,, etc.  That control isn’t 
>> in the menu that you’re talking about.  Thanks, though.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Aug 3, 2021, at 2:19 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> I don’t have my Mac with me, but I believe for adjusting the volume you 
>>> need to do VO shift left and right arrow or VO shift command left and right 
>>> arrow to move through the categories. Once you land and volume you will use 
>>> the same combination but with a downer or a payroll to adjust the volume 
>>> lower or higher. Now, if by chance your function keys are such a control 
>>> your max media capability, then it’s a lot easier. F 11 lower volume and F 
>>> 12 raises it. Hope this helps. Take care.
>>> Best,
>>> Les
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Aug 3, 2021, at 12:14 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 First, I use multiple languages, so am trying to configure the voices for 
 my secondary languages.  I go into VO utility, select Speech, select the 
 language in question, and select customize to change the voice.  I can go 
 into the list of voices, but can’t seem to check the one I want.  Pressing 
 Space does nothing, Pressing VO-Space does nothing, and pressing Enter 
 closes the customize dialog.  Any suggestions?
 
 Second, my system voice is REALLY loud.  I would like to lower the volume, 
 but can’t find where to do it.  Anyone know how to do this?
 TIA,
 Donna
 
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Re: Two questions re configuring speech on my M1 Mac

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Hi Donna,

Well, then I will be interested to learn the answer to that as well. What about 
the two keystrokes I mention being function key 11 and function key 12? Does 
not affect the system voice? Anyway, hope you get your question answered soon.
Best, Les

Sent from my iPhone

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>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Les,
> 
> You do that to adjust the VO voice that you have selected, that is the voice 
> that reads the screen and stuff.  I’m talking about the system voice, the one 
> that gives you system alerts, speaks at login,, etc.  That control isn’t in 
> the menu that you’re talking about.  Thanks, though.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Aug 3, 2021, at 2:19 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> I don’t have my Mac with me, but I believe for adjusting the volume you need 
>> to do VO shift left and right arrow or VO shift command left and right arrow 
>> to move through the categories. Once you land and volume you will use the 
>> same combination but with a downer or a payroll to adjust the volume lower 
>> or higher. Now, if by chance your function keys are such a control your max 
>> media capability, then it’s a lot easier. F 11 lower volume and F 12 raises 
>> it. Hope this helps. Take care.
>> Best,
>> Les
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Aug 3, 2021, at 12:14 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> First, I use multiple languages, so am trying to configure the voices for 
>>> my secondary languages.  I go into VO utility, select Speech, select the 
>>> language in question, and select customize to change the voice.  I can go 
>>> into the list of voices, but can’t seem to check the one I want.  Pressing 
>>> Space does nothing, Pressing VO-Space does nothing, and pressing Enter 
>>> closes the customize dialog.  Any suggestions?
>>> 
>>> Second, my system voice is REALLY loud.  I would like to lower the volume, 
>>> but can’t find where to do it.  Anyone know how to do this?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: Two questions re configuring speech on my M1 Mac

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Les,

You do that to adjust the VO voice that you have selected, that is the voice 
that reads the screen and stuff.  I’m talking about the system voice, the one 
that gives you system alerts, speaks at login,, etc.  That control isn’t in the 
menu that you’re talking about.  Thanks, though.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Aug 3, 2021, at 2:19 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> I don’t have my Mac with me, but I believe for adjusting the volume you need 
> to do VO shift left and right arrow or VO shift command left and right arrow 
> to move through the categories. Once you land and volume you will use the 
> same combination but with a downer or a payroll to adjust the volume lower or 
> higher. Now, if by chance your function keys are such a control your max 
> media capability, then it’s a lot easier. F 11 lower volume and F 12 raises 
> it. Hope this helps. Take care.
> Best,
> Les
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 3, 2021, at 12:14 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> First, I use multiple languages, so am trying to configure the voices for my 
>> secondary languages.  I go into VO utility, select Speech, select the 
>> language in question, and select customize to change the voice.  I can go 
>> into the list of voices, but can’t seem to check the one I want.  Pressing 
>> Space does nothing, Pressing VO-Space does nothing, and pressing Enter 
>> closes the customize dialog.  Any suggestions?
>> 
>> Second, my system voice is REALLY loud.  I would like to lower the volume, 
>> but can’t find where to do it.  Anyone know how to do this?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: Two questions re configuring speech on my M1 Mac

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Donna,

I don’t have my Mac with me, but I believe for adjusting the volume you need to 
do VO shift left and right arrow or VO shift command left and right arrow to 
move through the categories. Once you land and volume you will use the same 
combination but with a downer or a payroll to adjust the volume lower or 
higher. Now, if by chance your function keys are such a control your max media 
capability, then it’s a lot easier. F 11 lower volume and F 12 raises it. Hope 
this helps. Take care.
Best,
Les

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 3, 2021, at 12:14 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> First, I use multiple languages, so am trying to configure the voices for my 
> secondary languages.  I go into VO utility, select Speech, select the 
> language in question, and select customize to change the voice.  I can go 
> into the list of voices, but can’t seem to check the one I want.  Pressing 
> Space does nothing, Pressing VO-Space does nothing, and pressing Enter closes 
> the customize dialog.  Any suggestions?
> 
> Second, my system voice is REALLY loud.  I would like to lower the volume, 
> but can’t find where to do it.  Anyone know how to do this?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Two questions re configuring speech on my M1 Mac

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

First, I use multiple languages, so am trying to configure the voices for my 
secondary languages.  I go into VO utility, select Speech, select the language 
in question, and select customize to change the voice.  I can go into the list 
of voices, but can’t seem to check the one I want.  Pressing Space does 
nothing, Pressing VO-Space does nothing, and pressing Enter closes the 
customize dialog.  Any suggestions?

Second, my system voice is REALLY loud.  I would like to lower the volume, but 
can’t find where to do it.  Anyone know how to do this?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: Turning Speech on

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

To clarify, it's a three-finger double-tap on the iOS screen to mute/unmute 
speech.  Not a three-finger triple-tap.  The three-finger triple-tap toggles 
scree curtain on/off.

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On Sep 18, 2019, at 20:32, Angus MacKinnon  wrote:


Petrus

Yes there was other sounds and no voice. Next time I will try the three finger 
triple tap. Thank you.

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Re: Turning Speech on

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No, it is a three finger double tap, the   three finger  triple tap toggles the 
screen curtain on and off.

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> Petrus
> 
> Yes there was other sounds and no voice. Next time I will try the three 
> finger triple tap. Thank you.
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Re: Turning Speech on

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Petrus

Yes there was other sounds and no voice. Next time I will try the three finger 
triple tap. Thank you.

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Re: Turning Speech on

[Petrus Tuerlings]

You possibly touch the screen with three fingers when you were trying to get 
the phone out of your pocket, if it happens again just do a doubled tap with 
three fingers to turn the speech back on. If you do a 4 finger double tap on 
the screen it’ll start voice over help and you. Can practise all of the 
gestures, and then repeat the 4 finger double tap to turn off voice over help. 
And you can go into your settings to change how fast you can click the side 
button to turn voice over on and off. You need to do it fairly quickly but you 
can change this in settings.


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> stable place and worked on the iPhone for about an hour and only was able to 
> turn off VoiceOver (VO). I then got a sighted friend to do a triple click of 
> the side button (since I can not do a proper triple click) and go to 
> Settings/General/Accessibility to turn VO on. How do I get “Speech Off” 
> turned off for good? Or is their something else I could have done? Thank you.
> 
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RE: Turning Speech on

[Simon A Fogarty]

Tap three fingers twice on the screen.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Angus MacKinnon
Sent: Thursday, 19 September 2019 1:15 PM
To: MacVisionaries 
Subject: Turning Speech on

This morning when I was trying to get my ringing iPhone XR out of my Coat’s 
inside Pocket, I heard “Speech Off”. I thought oh great. After getting to a 
stable place and worked on the iPhone for about an hour and only was able to 
turn off VoiceOver (VO). I then got a sighted friend to do a triple click of 
the side button (since I can not do a proper triple click) and go to 
Settings/General/Accessibility to turn VO on. How do I get “Speech Off” turned 
off for good? Or is their something else I could have done? Thank you.

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Re: Turning Speech on

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Was the phone still making the other noises associated with voice over? If it 
said speech off then all you need to do is a three finger double tap on the 
screen to turn it back on. It is not turning voice over off, it just muted the 
voice.

> On 19/09/2019, at 1:14 PM, Angus MacKinnon  wrote:
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> This morning when I was trying to get my ringing iPhone XR out of my Coat’s 
> inside Pocket, I heard “Speech Off”. I thought oh great. After getting to a 
> stable place and worked on the iPhone for about an hour and only was able to 
> turn off VoiceOver (VO). I then got a sighted friend to do a triple click of 
> the side button (since I can not do a proper triple click) and go to 
> Settings/General/Accessibility to turn VO on. How do I get “Speech Off” 
> turned off for good? Or is their something else I could have done? Thank you.
> 
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> Charles Péguy said, “The revolution is moral or not at all”
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Re: About Speech Central for Mac

[Leo Bado]

thank you Chuck,

very helpful indeed.


Leo Bado

El 05/07/2018 a las 13:41, CHUCK REICHEL escribió:

Hi guys,
Heres how to change the rate for send to itunes as a spoken track,  on the mac;
To change the reading rate you need to insert an embedded command specifying the rate at the 
beginning of the text file.  This command will not be read by VoiceOver, but it will result in all 
subsequent text being read at the specified rate.  Type two left brackets, followed by the word 
"rate", followed by a space and a number like "300" (for the words per minute), 
followed by two right brackets.  You could copy and paste the control:
[[rate 300
Just remember to place this at the very top of the text doc you're going to 
convert;
HTH
Chuck
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On Jul 5, 2018, at 3:31 PM, Leo Bado wrote:


very instructive Jonathan

thanks for replying.


Leo Bado

El 05/07/2018 a las 9:36, Jonathan Cohn escribió:

The add selected text to iTunes as a spoken track is a Automator service 
located in:
/System/Library/services/

You could copy that file to your Library/services folder and adjust some of the 
parameters From looking it over, it appears that in the text to file action you 
can select a voice but not a rate.
In the import sound file to iTunes you can select an encoding but I didn’t see 
a way to change the bit rate of the. encoding. It is possible there are other 
automator actions for sound files that could do this, I didn’t look at that 
much.

You could al
Jonathan


On Jul 4, 2018, at 2:14 PM, Leo Bado  wrote:

Hi guys,

I would like to know if some parameters can be changed using this text to 
speech app.

Specificly speed rate and quality of the audiofiles.

When I use the option send to itunes as a spolken track the audiofile is really 
huge, 2 or 3 gb depending on the document.

So, is there a way to control the file size when using speech central?


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Re: About Speech Central for Mac

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi guys,
Heres how to change the rate for send to itunes as a spoken track,  on the mac;
To change the reading rate you need to insert an embedded command specifying 
the rate at the beginning of the text file.  This command will not be read by 
VoiceOver, but it will result in all subsequent text being read at the 
specified rate.  Type two left brackets, followed by the word "rate", followed 
by a space and a number like "300" (for the words per minute), followed by two 
right brackets.  You could copy and paste the control:
[[rate 300
Just remember to place this at the very top of the text doc you're going to 
convert;
HTH
Chuck
"God does not play dice with the universe"
"Albert Einstein’


On Jul 5, 2018, at 3:31 PM, Leo Bado wrote:

> very instructive Jonathan
> 
> thanks for replying.
> 
> 
> Leo Bado
> 
> El 05/07/2018 a las 9:36, Jonathan Cohn escribió:
>> The add selected text to iTunes as a spoken track is a Automator service 
>> located in:
>> /System/Library/services/
>> 
>> You could copy that file to your Library/services folder and adjust some of 
>> the parameters From looking it over, it appears that in the text to file 
>> action you can select a voice but not a rate.
>> In the import sound file to iTunes you can select an encoding but I didn’t 
>> see a way to change the bit rate of the. encoding. It is possible there are 
>> other automator actions for sound files that could do this, I didn’t look at 
>> that much.
>> 
>> You could al 
>> Jonathan
>> 
>>> On Jul 4, 2018, at 2:14 PM, Leo Bado  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi guys,
>>> 
>>> I would like to know if some parameters can be changed using this text to 
>>> speech app.
>>> 
>>> Specificly speed rate and quality of the audiofiles.
>>> 
>>> When I use the option send to itunes as a spolken track the audiofile is 
>>> really huge, 2 or 3 gb depending on the document.
>>> 
>>> So, is there a way to control the file size when using speech central?
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: About Speech Central for Mac

[Leo Bado]

very instructive Jonathan

thanks for replying.


Leo Bado

El 05/07/2018 a las 9:36, Jonathan Cohn escribió:

The add selected text to iTunes as a spoken track is a Automator service 
located in:
/System/Library/services/

You could copy that file to your Library/services folder and adjust some of the 
parameters From looking it over, it appears that in the text to file action you 
can select a voice but not a rate.
In the import sound file to iTunes you can select an encoding but I didn’t see 
a way to change the bit rate of the. encoding. It is possible there are other 
automator actions for sound files that could do this, I didn’t look at that 
much.

You could al
Jonathan


On Jul 4, 2018, at 2:14 PM, Leo Bado  wrote:

Hi guys,

I would like to know if some parameters can be changed using this text to 
speech app.

Specificly speed rate and quality of the audiofiles.

When I use the option send to itunes as a spolken track the audiofile is really 
huge, 2 or 3 gb depending on the document.

So, is there a way to control the file size when using speech central?


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Re: About Speech Central for Mac

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The add selected text to iTunes as a spoken track is a Automator service 
located in:
/System/Library/services/

You could copy that file to your Library/services folder and adjust some of the 
parameters From looking it over, it appears that in the text to file action you 
can select a voice but not a rate.
In the import sound file to iTunes you can select an encoding but I didn’t see 
a way to change the bit rate of the. encoding. It is possible there are other 
automator actions for sound files that could do this, I didn’t look at that 
much.

You could al
Jonathan 

> On Jul 4, 2018, at 2:14 PM, Leo Bado  wrote:
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> I would like to know if some parameters can be changed using this text to 
> speech app.
> 
> Specificly speed rate and quality of the audiofiles.
> 
> When I use the option send to itunes as a spolken track the audiofile is 
> really huge, 2 or 3 gb depending on the document.
> 
> So, is there a way to control the file size when using speech central?
> 
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Re: changing speech rate of system voice?

[Arthur Gindin]

Angus:  I monitor this webspace for my blind granddaughter, Mandy Hall (see 
YouTube).  She limps because the left leg doesn’t work well.  She plays the 
full drum kit, bass guitar, piano and sings,  even though she has only the use 
of the index finger on the right and the thumb plus three on the left.  She 
also has perfect pitch (1/1000).

A gindin

> On Oct 1, 2017, at 9:27 PM, Angus MacKinnon  wrote:
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> E.T.
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Re: changing speech rate of system voice?

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E.T.

I have tried to flick up or down and nothing happens. I have poor tactile and 
motor control.

Angus MacKinnon

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Re: changing speech rate of system voice?

[E.T.]

   Flick up or down. Or turn the rotor to speaking rate and do the same 
rather than going into settings.


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On 10/1/2017 4:45 PM, Angus MacKinnon wrote:

I go to Settings/General/Accessibility/Speech and down to Speaking Rate on my iPhone 
5S. And hear "Adjustable”. How do I Adjust the Speaking Rate, so the Speaking 
Rate increases? Thank you.


Angus MacKinnon



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Re: changing speech rate of system voice?

[Angus MacKinnon]

> I go to Settings/General/Accessibility/Speech and down to Speaking Rate on my 
> iPhone 5S. And hear "Adjustable”. How do I Adjust the Speaking Rate, so the 
> Speaking Rate increases? Thank you.

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Re: changing speech rate of system voice?

[Donna Goodin]

You were right.  I was in VO prefs.  Thanks for the tip.  System speech still 
seems a little anemic, but it's definitely better.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Oct 1, 2017, at 11:57 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Donna,
> 
> Was that in the VoiceOver area or the Speech area of accessibility?
> 
> It sounds like you are talking about VoiceOver but you should be in the 
> Accessibility -> Voices area of system preferences.
> 
> Good Luck!
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2017, at 11:36 AM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, Tim,
>> 
>> That’s exactly what I did. But I didn’t seem to be able to change the rate 
>> on the system voice. I could change it for the content voice, and I could 
>> change which voice was used, but not for any of the other voices.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 1, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Tim Kilburn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Go in to System Prefs, Accessibility and select Speech from the table.  You 
>>> can choose the voice and adjust the speaking rate here.  I've actually made 
>>> it so that my System voice is different than my VO voice so that I am aware 
>>> of who's talking to me.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Oct 1, 2017, at 08:49, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, all,
>>> 
>>> So my system voice is quite a big slower than my content voice, and 
>>> frankly, it sounds like she's about to keel over and have a heart attack.  
>>> I've looked in VO prefs, but am not finding a way to change the speech 
>>> rate.  Anyone know if you can do this?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: changing speech rate of system voice?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Donna,

Was that in the VoiceOver area or the Speech area of accessibility?

It sounds like you are talking about VoiceOver but you should be in the 
Accessibility -> Voices area of system preferences.

Good Luck!

Jonathan Cohn



> On Oct 1, 2017, at 11:36 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Tim,
> 
> That’s exactly what I did. But I didn’t seem to be able to change the rate on 
> the system voice. I could change it for the content voice, and I could change 
> which voice was used, but not for any of the other voices.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Go in to System Prefs, Accessibility and select Speech from the table.  You 
>> can choose the voice and adjust the speaking rate here.  I've actually made 
>> it so that my System voice is different than my VO voice so that I am aware 
>> of who's talking to me.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 1, 2017, at 08:49, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, all,
>> 
>> So my system voice is quite a big slower than my content voice, and frankly, 
>> it sounds like she's about to keel over and have a heart attack.  I've 
>> looked in VO prefs, but am not finding a way to change the speech rate.  
>> Anyone know if you can do this?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: changing speech rate of system voice?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi, Tim,

That’s exactly what I did. But I didn’t seem to be able to change the rate on 
the system voice. I could change it for the content voice, and I could change 
which voice was used, but not for any of the other voices.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 1, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Go in to System Prefs, Accessibility and select Speech from the table.  You 
> can choose the voice and adjust the speaking rate here.  I've actually made 
> it so that my System voice is different than my VO voice so that I am aware 
> of who's talking to me.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 1, 2017, at 08:49, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi, all,
> 
> So my system voice is quite a big slower than my content voice, and frankly, 
> it sounds like she's about to keel over and have a heart attack.  I've looked 
> in VO prefs, but am not finding a way to change the speech rate.  Anyone know 
> if you can do this?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: changing speech rate of system voice?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Go in to System Prefs, Accessibility and select Speech from the table.  You can 
choose the voice and adjust the speaking rate here.  I've actually made it so 
that my System voice is different than my VO voice so that I am aware of who's 
talking to me.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 1, 2017, at 08:49, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hi, all,

So my system voice is quite a big slower than my content voice, and frankly, it 
sounds like she's about to keel over and have a heart attack.  I've looked in 
VO prefs, but am not finding a way to change the speech rate.  Anyone know if 
you can do this?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?

[Donna Goodin]

I did just write to Accessibility this morning.  We'll see what they say.  It 
doesn't happen terribly often, but it happens often enough, I'd say once a 
month or so.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jul 26, 2017, at 11:58 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>   True. If its a recurring issue, have you reported it? And being just a 
> couple months away from new OS upgrades, maybe rebooting is the best solution 
> for now? That is of course assuming the new upgrade will fix this.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 7/26/2017 9:36 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> OK you guys, but really?  I'm not disagreeing with the value of re-booting, 
>> but I am saying it shouldn't be the solution to a recurring problem. :)
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jul 26, 2017, at 11:00 AM, David & his pack of dogs 
>>> <myguidedo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have been in that situation many times and think, why did I phone tech 
>>> support.  I could have just rebooted it myself. Especially after being on 
>>> hold for 10 or more minutes before even talking to tech support.   Smile.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: July 26, 2017 8:12 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?
>>> 
>>> Yeah, I know.  But still ... :)
>>>> On Jul 26, 2017, at 10:09 AM, David & his pack of dogs 
>>>> <myguidedo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> News flash, often what a tech suggests is just rebooting the system.  
>>>> Simplistic?  Yes.  But, often effective.  Smile.
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>>> Sent: July 26, 2017 7:58 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?
>>>> 
>>>> And of course, that did the trick.  There really ought to be an easier 
>>>> solution to this problem, though.  I think I will send an email to Apple 
>>>> accessibility.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 26, 2017, at 9:32 AM, David & his pack of dogs 
>>>>> <myguidedo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I was just going to suggest that.  Just reboot the system sometimes that 
>>>>> rectifies the problem.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>>>> Sent: July 26, 2017 7:21 AM
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?
>>>>> 
>>>>> That controls VO, not speech.  Sounds like I may just need to unplug and 
>>>>> re-power up the Apple TV.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>>> On Jul 26, 2017, at 4:36 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi donna,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Triple click the top left button,
>>>>>> That's the top of the 3 single round buttons Good luck and let us
>>>>>> know how you et on.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2017 2:51 PM
>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have VO on on my Apple TV, but am getting no speech.  Anyone know how 
>>>>>> to turn on speech? Using Siri is not helping.
>>>>>> TIA,
>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> The fol

Re: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?

[E.T.]

   True. If its a recurring issue, have you reported it? And being just 
a couple months away from new OS upgrades, maybe rebooting is the best 
solution for now? That is of course assuming the new upgrade will fix this.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 7/26/2017 9:36 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

OK you guys, but really?  I'm not disagreeing with the value of re-booting, but 
I am saying it shouldn't be the solution to a recurring problem. :)
Cheers,
Donna

On Jul 26, 2017, at 11:00 AM, David & his pack of dogs <myguidedo...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

I have been in that situation many times and think, why did I phone tech 
support.  I could have just rebooted it myself. Especially after being on hold 
for 10 or more minutes before even talking to tech support.   Smile.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: July 26, 2017 8:12 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?

Yeah, I know.  But still ... :)

On Jul 26, 2017, at 10:09 AM, David & his pack of dogs <myguidedo...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

News flash, often what a tech suggests is just rebooting the system.  
Simplistic?  Yes.  But, often effective.  Smile.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: July 26, 2017 7:58 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?

And of course, that did the trick.  There really ought to be an easier solution 
to this problem, though.  I think I will send an email to Apple accessibility.
Cheers,
Donna


On Jul 26, 2017, at 9:32 AM, David & his pack of dogs <myguidedo...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

I was just going to suggest that.  Just reboot the system sometimes that 
rectifies the problem.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: July 26, 2017 7:21 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?

That controls VO, not speech.  Sounds like I may just need to unplug and 
re-power up the Apple TV.
Cheers,
Donna

On Jul 26, 2017, at 4:36 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

Hi donna,

Triple click the top left button,
That's the top of the 3 single round buttons Good luck and let us
know how you et on.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2017 2:51 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?

Hi all,

I have VO on on my Apple TV, but am getting no speech.  Anyone know how to turn 
on speech? Using Siri is not helping.
TIA,
Donna

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Re: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?

[Donna Goodin]

OK you guys, but really?  I'm not disagreeing with the value of re-booting, but 
I am saying it shouldn't be the solution to a recurring problem. :)
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jul 26, 2017, at 11:00 AM, David & his pack of dogs 
> <myguidedo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have been in that situation many times and think, why did I phone tech 
> support.  I could have just rebooted it myself. Especially after being on 
> hold for 10 or more minutes before even talking to tech support.   Smile.  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: July 26, 2017 8:12 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?
> 
> Yeah, I know.  But still ... :)
>> On Jul 26, 2017, at 10:09 AM, David & his pack of dogs 
>> <myguidedo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> News flash, often what a tech suggests is just rebooting the system.  
>> Simplistic?  Yes.  But, often effective.  Smile.  
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: July 26, 2017 7:58 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?
>> 
>> And of course, that did the trick.  There really ought to be an easier 
>> solution to this problem, though.  I think I will send an email to Apple 
>> accessibility.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jul 26, 2017, at 9:32 AM, David & his pack of dogs 
>>> <myguidedo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I was just going to suggest that.  Just reboot the system sometimes that 
>>> rectifies the problem.  
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: July 26, 2017 7:21 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?
>>> 
>>> That controls VO, not speech.  Sounds like I may just need to unplug and 
>>> re-power up the Apple TV.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Jul 26, 2017, at 4:36 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi donna,
>>>> 
>>>> Triple click the top left button,
>>>> That's the top of the 3 single round buttons Good luck and let us 
>>>> know how you et on.
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2017 2:51 PM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I have VO on on my Apple TV, but am getting no speech.  Anyone know how to 
>>>> turn on speech? Using Siri is not helping.
>>>> TIA,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
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RE: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?

[David & his pack of dogs]

I have been in that situation many times and think, why did I phone tech 
support.  I could have just rebooted it myself. Especially after being on hold 
for 10 or more minutes before even talking to tech support.   Smile.  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: July 26, 2017 8:12 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?

Yeah, I know.  But still ... :)
> On Jul 26, 2017, at 10:09 AM, David & his pack of dogs 
> <myguidedo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> News flash, often what a tech suggests is just rebooting the system.  
> Simplistic?  Yes.  But, often effective.  Smile.  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: July 26, 2017 7:58 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?
> 
> And of course, that did the trick.  There really ought to be an easier 
> solution to this problem, though.  I think I will send an email to Apple 
> accessibility.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jul 26, 2017, at 9:32 AM, David & his pack of dogs 
>> <myguidedo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I was just going to suggest that.  Just reboot the system sometimes that 
>> rectifies the problem.  
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: July 26, 2017 7:21 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?
>> 
>> That controls VO, not speech.  Sounds like I may just need to unplug and 
>> re-power up the Apple TV.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jul 26, 2017, at 4:36 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi donna,
>>> 
>>> Triple click the top left button,
>>> That's the top of the 3 single round buttons Good luck and let us 
>>> know how you et on.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2017 2:51 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I have VO on on my Apple TV, but am getting no speech.  Anyone know how to 
>>> turn on speech? Using Siri is not helping.
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
>>> 
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Re: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?

[E.T.]

   Rebooting is an essential part of life when other solutions are 
elusive. The way I see it, its effective, as David says. Not a big deal 
is it when it resolves perplexing issues that needlessly consumes one's 
time and energy?


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 7/26/2017 8:11 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

Yeah, I know.  But still ... :)

On Jul 26, 2017, at 10:09 AM, David & his pack of dogs <myguidedo...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

News flash, often what a tech suggests is just rebooting the system.  
Simplistic?  Yes.  But, often effective.  Smile.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: July 26, 2017 7:58 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?

And of course, that did the trick.  There really ought to be an easier solution 
to this problem, though.  I think I will send an email to Apple accessibility.
Cheers,
Donna


On Jul 26, 2017, at 9:32 AM, David & his pack of dogs <myguidedo...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

I was just going to suggest that.  Just reboot the system sometimes that 
rectifies the problem.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: July 26, 2017 7:21 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?

That controls VO, not speech.  Sounds like I may just need to unplug and 
re-power up the Apple TV.
Cheers,
Donna

On Jul 26, 2017, at 4:36 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

Hi donna,

Triple click the top left button,
That's the top of the 3 single round buttons Good luck and let us
know how you et on.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2017 2:51 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?

Hi all,

I have VO on on my Apple TV, but am getting no speech.  Anyone know how to turn 
on speech? Using Siri is not helping.
TIA,
Donna

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Re: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?

[Donna Goodin]

Yeah, I know.  But still ... :)
> On Jul 26, 2017, at 10:09 AM, David & his pack of dogs 
> <myguidedo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> News flash, often what a tech suggests is just rebooting the system.  
> Simplistic?  Yes.  But, often effective.  Smile.  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: July 26, 2017 7:58 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?
> 
> And of course, that did the trick.  There really ought to be an easier 
> solution to this problem, though.  I think I will send an email to Apple 
> accessibility.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jul 26, 2017, at 9:32 AM, David & his pack of dogs 
>> <myguidedo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I was just going to suggest that.  Just reboot the system sometimes that 
>> rectifies the problem.  
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: July 26, 2017 7:21 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?
>> 
>> That controls VO, not speech.  Sounds like I may just need to unplug and 
>> re-power up the Apple TV.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jul 26, 2017, at 4:36 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi donna,
>>> 
>>> Triple click the top left button,
>>> That's the top of the 3 single round buttons Good luck and let us 
>>> know how you et on.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2017 2:51 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I have VO on on my Apple TV, but am getting no speech.  Anyone know how to 
>>> turn on speech? Using Siri is not helping.
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
>>> 
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RE: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?

[David & his pack of dogs]

News flash, often what a tech suggests is just rebooting the system.  
Simplistic?  Yes.  But, often effective.  Smile.  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: July 26, 2017 7:58 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?

And of course, that did the trick.  There really ought to be an easier solution 
to this problem, though.  I think I will send an email to Apple accessibility.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jul 26, 2017, at 9:32 AM, David & his pack of dogs 
> <myguidedo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I was just going to suggest that.  Just reboot the system sometimes that 
> rectifies the problem.  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: July 26, 2017 7:21 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?
> 
> That controls VO, not speech.  Sounds like I may just need to unplug and 
> re-power up the Apple TV.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jul 26, 2017, at 4:36 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi donna,
>> 
>> Triple click the top left button,
>> That's the top of the 3 single round buttons Good luck and let us 
>> know how you et on.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2017 2:51 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I have VO on on my Apple TV, but am getting no speech.  Anyone know how to 
>> turn on speech? Using Siri is not helping.
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
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Re: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?

[Donna Goodin]

And of course, that did the trick.  There really ought to be an easier solution 
to this problem, though.  I think I will send an email to Apple accessibility.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jul 26, 2017, at 9:32 AM, David & his pack of dogs 
> <myguidedo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I was just going to suggest that.  Just reboot the system sometimes that 
> rectifies the problem.  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: July 26, 2017 7:21 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?
> 
> That controls VO, not speech.  Sounds like I may just need to unplug and 
> re-power up the Apple TV.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jul 26, 2017, at 4:36 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi donna,
>> 
>> Triple click the top left button,
>> That's the top of the 3 single round buttons Good luck and let us know 
>> how you et on.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2017 2:51 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I have VO on on my Apple TV, but am getting no speech.  Anyone know how to 
>> turn on speech? Using Siri is not helping.
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
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RE: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?

[David & his pack of dogs]

I was just going to suggest that.  Just reboot the system sometimes that 
rectifies the problem.  

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On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: July 26, 2017 7:21 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?

That controls VO, not speech.  Sounds like I may just need to unplug and 
re-power up the Apple TV.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jul 26, 2017, at 4:36 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
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> Hi donna,
> 
> Triple click the top left button,
> That's the top of the 3 single round buttons Good luck and let us know 
> how you et on.
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> Subject: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?
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> Hi all,
> 
> I have VO on on my Apple TV, but am getting no speech.  Anyone know how to 
> turn on speech? Using Siri is not helping.
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?

[Donna Goodin]

That controls VO, not speech.  Sounds like I may just need to unplug and 
re-power up the Apple TV.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jul 26, 2017, at 4:36 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi donna,
> 
> Triple click the top left button,
> That's the top of the 3 single round buttons 
> Good luck and let us know how you et on.
> 
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> Subject: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I have VO on on my Apple TV, but am getting no speech.  Anyone know how to 
> turn on speech? Using Siri is not helping.
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?

[Donna Goodin]

thanks, Kliph.  Voiceover is on, there's just no speech.  I've tried turning 
Voiceover off and on, and that doesn't change anything.
Cheers,
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> On Jul 26, 2017, at 2:32 AM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
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> Click the button in the upper left corner 3 times.  This will turn voiceover 
> on.
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2017, at 10:51 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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>> Hi all,
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>> turn on speech? Using Siri is not helping.
>> TIA,
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RE: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi donna,

 Triple click the top left button,
 That's the top of the 3 single round buttons 
Good luck and let us know how you et on.

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Subject: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?

Hi all,

I have VO on on my Apple TV, but am getting no speech.  Anyone know how to turn 
on speech? Using Siri is not helping.
TIA,
Donna

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Re: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?

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Click the button in the upper left corner 3 times.  This will turn voiceover on.

> On Jul 25, 2017, at 10:51 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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Re: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?

[Eric Whitten]

I'm not sure what to tell you then. Other than restarting your Apple TV.

Sent from my iPhone 6s



> On Jul 25, 2017, at 9:54 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Good guess, but no dice.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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>> On Jul 25, 2017, at 9:53 PM, Eric Whitten  wrote:
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>> Trya three finger double tap maybe?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6s
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>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2017, at 9:51 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I have VO on on my Apple TV, but am getting no speech.  Anyone know how to 
>>> turn on speech? Using Siri is not helping.
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?

[Donna Goodin]

Good guess, but no dice.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jul 25, 2017, at 9:53 PM, Eric Whitten  wrote:
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> Trya three finger double tap maybe?
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> Sent from my iPhone 6s
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Re: turning speech on or off on Apple TV 4th Gen?

[Eric Whitten]

Trya three finger double tap maybe?

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> I have VO on on my Apple TV, but am getting no speech.  Anyone know how to 
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Re: stopping speech on the Mac?

[Jürgen Fleger]

Helo Donna and all,

I experience the same issue. Mostly pressing Capslock ones works better if this 
is set as the VO key.

All the best
Jürgen



> Am 02.06.2017 um 14:37 schrieb Stan ZA :
> 
> Hi Donna,
> I also found it a little annoying, but just, by repeatedly hitting "control" 
> twice or thrice, it starts to work normally again.
> God Bless.
> 
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>> On 02 Jun 2017, at 14:07, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Time was when pressing the control key would stop speech on the Mac, but 
>> that hasn't worked for a long time.  I assume this has to do with the way 
>> speech is buffered, but it's very annoying, especially when I need to stop 
>> speech quickly.  Anyone know of another way to do this, or a setting I can 
>> adjust so that the control key works again?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: stopping speech on the Mac?

[Stan ZA]

Hi Donna,
I also found it a little annoying, but just, by repeatedly hitting "control" 
twice or thrice, it starts to work normally again.
God Bless.

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> On 02 Jun 2017, at 14:07, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> Time was when pressing the control key would stop speech on the Mac, but that 
> hasn't worked for a long time.  I assume this has to do with the way speech 
> is buffered, but it's very annoying, especially when I need to stop speech 
> quickly.  Anyone know of another way to do this, or a setting I can adjust so 
> that the control key works again?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: stopping speech on the Mac?

[Donna Goodin]

Hey, good idea.  Thanks!
Donna
> On Jun 2, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Larry Thacker Jr.  
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> It doesn’t always work though.  The fallback is to do something that causes 
> VO to interrupt itself.  I usually turn caps lock on and off.
> 
>> On Jun 2, 2017, at 7:17 AM, Matthew Dierckens > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Donna,
>> The way the control key works for speech is, when you press it once it will 
>> pause, when you press it it can it will resume speaking.
>> 
>> God bless.
>> Matt Dierckens,
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>> On Jun 2, 2017, at 08:07, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Time was when pressing the control key would stop speech on the Mac, but 
>> that hasn't worked for a long time.  I assume this has to do with the way 
>> speech is buffered, but it's very annoying, especially when I need to stop 
>> speech quickly.  Anyone know of another way to do this, or a setting I can 
>> adjust so that the control key works again?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: stopping speech on the Mac?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Matthew,

Yeah, that's how it used to work.  But it doesn't any more.  When I press it, 
my Mac just goes right on blabbing.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 2, 2017, at 7:17 AM, Matthew Dierckens  wrote:
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> pause, when you press it it can it will resume speaking.
> 
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> On Jun 2, 2017, at 08:07, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Time was when pressing the control key would stop speech on the Mac, but that 
> hasn't worked for a long time.  I assume this has to do with the way speech 
> is buffered, but it's very annoying, especially when I need to stop speech 
> quickly.  Anyone know of another way to do this, or a setting I can adjust so 
> that the control key works again?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: stopping speech on the Mac?

[Larry Thacker Jr.]

It doesn’t always work though.  The fallback is to do something that causes VO 
to interrupt itself.  I usually turn caps lock on and off.

> On Jun 2, 2017, at 7:17 AM, Matthew Dierckens  wrote:
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> The way the control key works for speech is, when you press it once it will 
> pause, when you press it it can it will resume speaking.
> 
> God bless.
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> On Jun 2, 2017, at 08:07, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Time was when pressing the control key would stop speech on the Mac, but that 
> hasn't worked for a long time.  I assume this has to do with the way speech 
> is buffered, but it's very annoying, especially when I need to stop speech 
> quickly.  Anyone know of another way to do this, or a setting I can adjust so 
> that the control key works again?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: stopping speech on the Mac?

[Matthew Dierckens]

Hello Donna,
The way the control key works for speech is, when you press it once it will 
pause, when you press it it can it will resume speaking.

God bless.
Matt Dierckens,
Certified assistive technology specialist
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US phone: 573-401-1018


On Jun 2, 2017, at 08:07, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hi all,

Time was when pressing the control key would stop speech on the Mac, but that 
hasn't worked for a long time.  I assume this has to do with the way speech is 
buffered, but it's very annoying, especially when I need to stop speech 
quickly.  Anyone know of another way to do this, or a setting I can adjust so 
that the control key works again?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: Continuous speech in a Kindle book when the iPhone screen is locked

[Michael Busboom]

Thanks for your input, Harry. 

In David  Woodbridge’s podcast, he seems to demonstrate that it is possible, 
but I haven’t caught on to how exactly he does it.

I use Voice Dream Reader all the time, and it reads flawlessly when the screen 
is locked, which is a real battery saver!

Have a good one,

Mike

> On 1 Jun 2017, at 11:07, Harry Bell  wrote:
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> I have the same experience of you with kindle! I do not think it is possible 
> to do continuous reading with the kindle app at present. Harry
> 
>> On 1 Jun 2017, at 08:51, Michael Busboom  wrote:
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>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> A while back, David Woodbridge did a podcast on listening to Kindle books 
>> and iBooks when the screen on an iPhone is locked.  I do a lot of reading, 
>> so successfully and reliably availing myself of this feature is important to 
>> me.  I believe that I have followed David’s instructions properly, but I 
>> cannot duplicate the same results.
>> 
>> David’s podcasts are always instructive and are well-done from an audio 
>> perspective.  However, in this particular podcast, his iPhone frequently 
>> drowns out his voice, and I may be missing something.  The best I have been 
>> able to achieve thus far is to get the iPhone to read one page of a kindle 
>> book while the iPhone is locked, but when it gets to the end of a book page, 
>> it stops reading.  Furthermore, I have never been able to find the speak 
>> screen controls to which David refers when I am reading, e.g. speed, start 
>> and stop.
>> 
>> Could someone tell me what I am doing wrong?
>> 
>> In my Accessibility settings, Speak Screen is on, and I have selected the 
>> voices I want for reading.  When I launch the Kindle app and to a two-finger 
>> flick down, the book starts reading, until I hit the lock screen key.  When 
>> I use Siri and tell the phone to speak the screen, my iPhone tells me that 
>> there is nothing on the screen.  One time, however, I was able to get the 
>> iPhone to read one page of test, but it would not continuously read beyond 
>> the page I started on.  Am I missing something fundamentally important? It 
>> is obvious to me that I am.  :-)
>> 
>> Thanks for any thoughts,
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Re: Continuous speech in a Kindle book when the iPhone screen is locked

[Harry Bell]

I have the same experience of you with kindle! I do not think it is possible to 
do continuous reading with the kindle app at present. Harry

> On 1 Jun 2017, at 08:51, Michael Busboom  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> A while back, David Woodbridge did a podcast on listening to Kindle books and 
> iBooks when the screen on an iPhone is locked.  I do a lot of reading, so 
> successfully and reliably availing myself of this feature is important to me. 
>  I believe that I have followed David’s instructions properly, but I cannot 
> duplicate the same results.
> 
> David’s podcasts are always instructive and are well-done from an audio 
> perspective.  However, in this particular podcast, his iPhone frequently 
> drowns out his voice, and I may be missing something.  The best I have been 
> able to achieve thus far is to get the iPhone to read one page of a kindle 
> book while the iPhone is locked, but when it gets to the end of a book page, 
> it stops reading.  Furthermore, I have never been able to find the speak 
> screen controls to which David refers when I am reading, e.g. speed, start 
> and stop.
> 
> Could someone tell me what I am doing wrong?
> 
> In my Accessibility settings, Speak Screen is on, and I have selected the 
> voices I want for reading.  When I launch the Kindle app and to a two-finger 
> flick down, the book starts reading, until I hit the lock screen key.  When I 
> use Siri and tell the phone to speak the screen, my iPhone tells me that 
> there is nothing on the screen.  One time, however, I was able to get the 
> iPhone to read one page of test, but it would not continuously read beyond 
> the page I started on.  Am I missing something fundamentally important? It is 
> obvious to me that I am.  :-)
> 
> Thanks for any thoughts,
> 
> Mike
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Re: voiceover speech in words per minute?

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

i am sure if you ask apple they can tell you.

On 5/11/17, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> Hi folks,
> There is a research from the WAI interest group,
> www.w3c.org/wai
> Who is doing a presentation on the ability of users to process  using
> screen readers at often very fast words per minute.
> He desires including all platforms, with Voiceover rates only set in
> percentages.
> Anyone have  a good source for how those percentages translate into wpm in
> voiceover on the mac or in Ios?
> Thanks,
> Karen
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RE: Enabling Speech on Apple TV 4th Gen

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

 I could be wrong but I don't believe there is a triple click option for the tv,
 
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Hey Simon,

Yeah, that was working.  I was hoping there would be an equivalent of the 
three-finger double-tap on the iPhone.  Voiceover was on, I could tell because 
it was emitting all the other expected noises, just no speech.  And turning VO 
off and on didn't change anything.  I did finally get speech back, but I 
powered the whole thing down, and brought it back up again.
Cheers,
Donna

> On May 7, 2017, at 3:36 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Remote with the touch pad section to the top, the top left hand button three 
> times quickly should enable voiceover.
> 
> At least it does for me.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> Oh and try turning the volume up in case it's down and you can't hear the 
> voice.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Enabling Speech on Apple TV 4th Gen
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> So Vo appears to be on, but VO is not speaking anything.  How do I turn 
> speech back on?  I.e.  what is the equivalent of the three-finger double-tap 
> on an i-device?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: Enabling Speech on Apple TV 4th Gen

[Donna Goodin]

Hey Simon,

Yeah, that was working.  I was hoping there would be an equivalent of the 
three-finger double-tap on the iPhone.  Voiceover was on, I could tell because 
it was emitting all the other expected noises, just no speech.  And turning VO 
off and on didn't change anything.  I did finally get speech back, but I 
powered the whole thing down, and brought it back up again.
Cheers,
Donna

> On May 7, 2017, at 3:36 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Remote with the touch pad section to the top, the top left hand button three 
> times quickly should enable voiceover.
> 
> At least it does for me.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> Oh and try turning the volume up in case it's down and you can't hear the 
> voice.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Enabling Speech on Apple TV 4th Gen
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> So Vo appears to be on, but VO is not speaking anything.  How do I turn 
> speech back on?  I.e.  what is the equivalent of the three-finger double-tap 
> on an i-device?
> TIA,
> Donna
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RE: Enabling Speech on Apple TV 4th Gen

[Simon Fogarty]

Remote with the touch pad section to the top, the top left hand button three 
times quickly should enable voiceover.

 At least it does for me.

Hope that helps.

 Oh and try turning the volume up in case it's down and you can't hear the 
voice.

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Subject: Enabling Speech on Apple TV 4th Gen

Hi all,

So Vo appears to be on, but VO is not speaking anything.  How do I turn speech 
back on?  I.e.  what is the equivalent of the three-finger double-tap on an 
i-device?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: Neil speech voices lost in voice dream reader

[Matthew Dierckens]

Hi Phil,
Thanks for the info.

God bless.
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> On Mar 13, 2017, at 16:45, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> For anyone having trouble using the voice dream reader voices from Neil 
> speech, I've just contacted nearest beach customer support and it seems there 
> was a glitch. Invoice dream reader that nullify the license file for voice is 
> like James and Paul. This will be corrected in a day or two through an update 
> in the App Store for voice dream reader.
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Re: Mac's Speech Recognition feature, question for a Friend

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Dictation worked starting in Mountain Lion (10.8), but it required an Internet 
connection.  Starting in Mavericks (10.9), you could choose to download the 
dictation language and perform the same task offline.  I actually found things 
more reliable in Mountain Lion, for some reason, but it works in all versions 
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Re: Mac's Speech Recognition feature, question for a Friend

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Yeah and not to mention that when I use it my mac becomes very sluggish. This 
is been the case ever since Mavericks, but the sluggishness has started to get 
really bad as of Yosemite.


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RE: getting speech back on macBook air?

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah exactly,

It’s running in some kind of limited state until your logged in and then things 
run normally.

A little glitch for sake of security which I don’t mind at all.

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When Firevault is running, and the Mac is an older model (like mine, 2011), 
command f5 must be used every time, and the prompts are only tones until the 
mac boots up.

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On 3 Jan 2016, at 18:02, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
I have to try this again but I don’t believe it works with file volt running.

I’ve got this running on my machine and it didn’t seem to allow vo to run 
automatically but I’d have to check that again to confirm it.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 4:39 PM
To: Mac Visionaries List 
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: getting speech back on macBook air?

1.

Open system preferences.

2.  Tab or get to the table of preferences options.  fastest way is to tab 
there.  Then, press U for users and groups.  Press space here.

3.  Now, just to the right of the tool bar, you will notice five groups of 
options which you should interact with.  Within this group, you want to select 
log in options.

4.  Now, at this point, most of the chages you make here will need your 
administrative access password because you need to unlock the security for 
these items.  Within this group, you will note a check box which says "use 
Voice OVer at log in"  By default, this box will be unchecked.  You cannot 
check it until you unlock the administrative security which allows this change. 
 To unlock it, VO right all the way over and you'll notice an item which says, 
"click the lock to make changes"  Do this, and you will be prompted for your 
Mac administrative password.  Enter it, and press return.  Now, you can check 
to use Voice OVer at log in.  Once you are done here, you most likely will want 
to click on the lock to prevent further  changes.

HTH.


!
Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

On Jan 2, 2016, at 9:17 PM, David Tanner 
<david.tanner...@gmail.com<mailto:david.tanner...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Does anyone here know what needs to be set on a new MacBook Air so that VO will 
come up automatically when the system is booted up?  I have no problem turning 
VO on once it boots up, but , even though I have VO running when I shut down 
the computer, it does not boot up automatically.

Any help here would be greatly appreciated.


On Jan 2, 2016, at 7:50 PM, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Adam
You should be able to turn Voiceover on prior to the password prompt
I have vo starting before the password prompt

I am pretty sure there is a utilitiy setting to enable vo to start prior to the 
log in prompt, I can’t confirm where it is but I’m sure its there.

From: 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Adam Morris
Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 12:04 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: getting speech back on macBook air?

Hi all,
I've just purchased a second hand mac.
I've not used one before Friday so am a total beginner.

It is running OS10 but not the latest.
When my mac starts I have to put in a password.
This screen doesn't speak.
Now when I start the mac it seems to load but when i type my password and press 
enter I get the error sound.
I can get sighted assistance to get past this and get it talking to go in and 
uncheck the box to ask for password on startup.
Is there a way to get past this point without sighted assistance?





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Re: getting speech back on macBook air?

[David Chittenden]

When Firevault is running, and the Mac is an older model (like mine, 2011), 
command f5 must be used every time, and the prompts are only tones until the 
mac boots up.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 3 Jan 2016, at 18:02, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> I have to try this again but I don’t believe it works with file volt running.
>  
> I’ve got this running on my machine and it didn’t seem to allow vo to run 
> automatically but I’d have to check that again to confirm it.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
> Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 4:39 PM
> To: Mac Visionaries List <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: getting speech back on macBook air?
>  
> 1.
>  
> Open system preferences.
>  
> 2.  Tab or get to the table of preferences options.  fastest way is to tab 
> there.  Then, press U for users and groups.  Press space here.
>  
> 3.  Now, just to the right of the tool bar, you will notice five groups of 
> options which you should interact with.  Within this group, you want to 
> select log in options.
>  
> 4.  Now, at this point, most of the chages you make here will need your 
> administrative access password because you need to unlock the security for 
> these items.  Within this group, you will note a check box which says "use 
> Voice OVer at log in"  By default, this box will be unchecked.  You cannot 
> check it until you unlock the administrative security which allows this 
> change.  To unlock it, VO right all the way over and you'll notice an item 
> which says, "click the lock to make changes"  Do this, and you will be 
> prompted for your Mac administrative password.  Enter it, and press return.  
> Now, you can check to use Voice OVer at log in.  Once you are done here, you 
> most likely will want to click on the lock to prevent further  changes.
>  
> HTH.
>  
>  
> !
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
>  
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>  
> On Jan 2, 2016, at 9:17 PM, David Tanner <david.tanner...@gmail.com> wrote:
>  
> Does anyone here know what needs to be set on a new MacBook Air so that VO 
> will come up automatically when the system is booted up?  I have no problem 
> turning VO on once it boots up, but , even though I have VO running when I 
> shut down the computer, it does not boot up automatically.
>  
> Any help here would be greatly appreciated.
>  
>  
> On Jan 2, 2016, at 7:50 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>  
> Hi Adam
> You should be able to turn Voiceover on prior to the password prompt
> I have vo starting before the password prompt
>  
> I am pretty sure there is a utilitiy setting to enable vo to start prior to 
> the log in prompt, I can’t confirm where it is but I’m sure its there.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
> On Behalf Of Adam Morris
> Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 12:04 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: getting speech back on macBook air?
>  
> Hi all,
> I've just purchased a second hand mac.
> I've not used one before Friday so am a total beginner.
> 
> It is running OS10 but not the latest.
> When my mac starts I have to put in a password.
> This screen doesn't speak.
> Now when I start the mac it seems to load but when i type my password and 
> press enter I get the error sound.
> I can get sighted assistance to get past this and get it talking to go in and 
> uncheck the box to ask for password on startup.
> Is there a way to get past this point without sighted assistance?
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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>  
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> a...@damorris.com
>  
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RE: getting speech back on macBook air?

[Simon Fogarty]

I have to try this again but I don’t believe it works with file volt running.

I’ve got this running on my machine and it didn’t seem to allow vo to run 
automatically but I’d have to check that again to confirm it.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 4:39 PM
To: Mac Visionaries List <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: getting speech back on macBook air?

1.

Open system preferences.

2.  Tab or get to the table of preferences options.  fastest way is to tab 
there.  Then, press U for users and groups.  Press space here.

3.  Now, just to the right of the tool bar, you will notice five groups of 
options which you should interact with.  Within this group, you want to select 
log in options.

4.  Now, at this point, most of the chages you make here will need your 
administrative access password because you need to unlock the security for 
these items.  Within this group, you will note a check box which says "use 
Voice OVer at log in"  By default, this box will be unchecked.  You cannot 
check it until you unlock the administrative security which allows this change. 
 To unlock it, VO right all the way over and you'll notice an item which says, 
"click the lock to make changes"  Do this, and you will be prompted for your 
Mac administrative password.  Enter it, and press return.  Now, you can check 
to use Voice OVer at log in.  Once you are done here, you most likely will want 
to click on the lock to prevent further  changes.

HTH.


!
Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

On Jan 2, 2016, at 9:17 PM, David Tanner 
<david.tanner...@gmail.com<mailto:david.tanner...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Does anyone here know what needs to be set on a new MacBook Air so that VO will 
come up automatically when the system is booted up?  I have no problem turning 
VO on once it boots up, but , even though I have VO running when I shut down 
the computer, it does not boot up automatically.

Any help here would be greatly appreciated.


On Jan 2, 2016, at 7:50 PM, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Adam
You should be able to turn Voiceover on prior to the password prompt
I have vo starting before the password prompt

I am pretty sure there is a utilitiy setting to enable vo to start prior to the 
log in prompt, I can’t confirm where it is but I’m sure its there.

From: 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Adam Morris
Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 12:04 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: getting speech back on macBook air?

Hi all,
I've just purchased a second hand mac.
I've not used one before Friday so am a total beginner.

It is running OS10 but not the latest.
When my mac starts I have to put in a password.
This screen doesn't speak.
Now when I start the mac it seems to load but when i type my password and press 
enter I get the error sound.
I can get sighted assistance to get past this and get it talking to go in and 
uncheck the box to ask for password on startup.
Is there a way to get past this point without sighted assistance?




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Re: getting speech back on macBook air?

[David Chittenden]

Press command f5 a few seconds after the start-up chime. If the function keys 
are set to the alternate commands, it will be necessary to press fn command f5. 
This command activates VoiceOver.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 3 Jan 2016, at 09:04, Adam Morris  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I've just purchased a second hand mac.
> I've not used one before Friday so am a total beginner.
> 
> It is running OS10 but not the latest.
> When my mac starts I have to put in a password.
> This screen doesn't speak.
> Now when I start the mac it seems to load but when i type my password and 
> press enter I get the error sound.
> I can get sighted assistance to get past this and get it talking to go in and 
> uncheck the box to ask for password on startup.
> Is there a way to get past this point without sighted assistance?
> 
>  -- 
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> 
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Re: getting speech back on macBook air?

[Bill Dengler]

Yes.
You can press command+f5 at the login screen to start VoiceOver.
Additionally, once logged in, you can enable speech on this screen in the 
future:
Press CTRL+option+m to bring up the menu bar.
Down arrow until you reach system preferences, and then press enter.
When system preferences opens, interact with the preference panes scroll area, 
then type “user”.
Press VO+space to click the button.
Interact with the users, groups and login options list.
VO+right until you land on the login options group, then stop interacting.
Click the button labeled "Click the lock to make changes.” and enter your 
password.
If you authenticate successfully, you will hear the sound of a lock opening.
Navigate to the checkbox labeled “Use VoiceOver in the login window” and press 
VO+space to check it.
There are other options in here you may want to customize, for example I use a 
name/password prompt on the login screen instead of the user selector.
If you need special input methods for login (i.e. alternative keyboard layouts 
or accented etc characters in foreign language passwords), you can enable that 
as well from here.
Press CMD+q to quit system preferences.

Bill
> On Jan 2, 2016, at 6:04 PM, Adam Morris  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I've just purchased a second hand mac.
> I've not used one before Friday so am a total beginner.
> 
> It is running OS10 but not the latest.
> When my mac starts I have to put in a password.
> This screen doesn't speak.
> Now when I start the mac it seems to load but when i type my password and 
> press enter I get the error sound.
> I can get sighted assistance to get past this and get it talking to go in and 
> uncheck the box to ask for password on startup.
> Is there a way to get past this point without sighted assistance?
> 
>  -- 
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RE: getting speech back on macBook air?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Adam
You should be able to turn Voiceover on prior to the password prompt
I have vo starting before the password prompt

I am pretty sure there is a utilitiy setting to enable vo to start prior to the 
log in prompt, I can’t confirm where it is but I’m sure its there.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Adam Morris
Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 12:04 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: getting speech back on macBook air?

Hi all,
I've just purchased a second hand mac.
I've not used one before Friday so am a total beginner.

It is running OS10 but not the latest.
When my mac starts I have to put in a password.
This screen doesn't speak.
Now when I start the mac it seems to load but when i type my password and press 
enter I get the error sound.
I can get sighted assistance to get past this and get it talking to go in and 
uncheck the box to ask for password on startup.
Is there a way to get past this point without sighted assistance?



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Re: getting speech back on macBook air?

[David Tanner]

Does anyone here know what needs to be set on a new MacBook Air so that VO will 
come up automatically when the system is booted up?  I have no problem turning 
VO on once it boots up, but , even though I have VO running when I shut down 
the computer, it does not boot up automatically.

Any help here would be greatly appreciated.


> On Jan 2, 2016, at 7:50 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Adam
> You should be able to turn Voiceover on prior to the password prompt
> I have vo starting before the password prompt
>  
> I am pretty sure there is a utilitiy setting to enable vo to start prior to 
> the log in prompt, I can’t confirm where it is but I’m sure its there.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  ] On Behalf Of Adam Morris
> Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 12:04 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: getting speech back on macBook air?
>  
> Hi all,
> I've just purchased a second hand mac.
> I've not used one before Friday so am a total beginner.
> 
> It is running OS10 but not the latest.
> When my mac starts I have to put in a password.
> This screen doesn't speak.
> Now when I start the mac it seems to load but when i type my password and 
> press enter I get the error sound.
> I can get sighted assistance to get past this and get it talking to go in and 
> uncheck the box to ask for password on startup.
> Is there a way to get past this point without sighted assistance?
> 
> 
> -- 
>  
>  
> Adam Morris
>  
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> a...@damorris.com 
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Re: getting speech back on macBook air?

[Ray Foret Jr]

1.

Open system preferences.

2.  Tab or get to the table of preferences options.  fastest way is to tab 
there.  Then, press U for users and groups.  Press space here.

3.  Now, just to the right of the tool bar, you will notice five groups of 
options which you should interact with.  Within this group, you want to select 
log in options.

4.  Now, at this point, most of the chages you make here will need your 
administrative access password because you need to unlock the security for 
these items.  Within this group, you will note a check box which says "use 
Voice OVer at log in"  By default, this box will be unchecked.  You cannot 
check it until you unlock the administrative security which allows this change. 
 To unlock it, VO right all the way over and you'll notice an item which says, 
"click the lock to make changes"  Do this, and you will be prompted for your 
Mac administrative password.  Enter it, and press return.  Now, you can check 
to use Voice OVer at log in.  Once you are done here, you most likely will want 
to click on the lock to prevent further  changes.

HTH.


!

Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

> On Jan 2, 2016, at 9:17 PM, David Tanner  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone here know what needs to be set on a new MacBook Air so that VO 
> will come up automatically when the system is booted up?  I have no problem 
> turning VO on once it boots up, but , even though I have VO running when I 
> shut down the computer, it does not boot up automatically.
> 
> Any help here would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> 
>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 7:50 PM, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Adam
>> You should be able to turn Voiceover on prior to the password prompt
>> I have vo starting before the password prompt
>>  
>> I am pretty sure there is a utilitiy setting to enable vo to start prior to 
>> the log in prompt, I can’t confirm where it is but I’m sure its there.
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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>>  ] On Behalf Of Adam Morris
>> Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2016 12:04 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: getting speech back on macBook air?
>>  
>> Hi all,
>> I've just purchased a second hand mac.
>> I've not used one before Friday so am a total beginner.
>> 
>> It is running OS10 but not the latest.
>> When my mac starts I have to put in a password.
>> This screen doesn't speak.
>> Now when I start the mac it seems to load but when i type my password and 
>> press enter I get the error sound.
>> I can get sighted assistance to get past this and get it talking to go in 
>> and uncheck the box to ask for password on startup.
>> Is there a way to get past this point without sighted assistance?
>> 
>> 
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>> Adam Morris
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>> email:
>> a...@damorris.com 
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