Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

I'm still on an the old "cheese grater" case Mac Pro but I just found 
out that the 2008 model will no longer be supported on the next 
iteration of OSX, at least from the lists of supported hardware Apple 
put out. Eight years is a pretty good run but I guess I'll finally have 
to get the thing upgraded so I can continue to use it on the latest OSX.


CB

On 7/11/16 5:32 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

I agree totally with your assessment here.  Although, regarding the MacPro, I 
installed a SSD into Bay 1 of mine, created a fusion drive between it and a 1 
TB spinner in Bay 2 and knocked it up to 16 GB of RAM.  It runs quite well with 
El Capitan now.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 11, 2016, at 15:21, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Nothing new here, Apple is just better at keeping consumers out of their 
widgets now then back in the Mac Plus days. They figured out that most people 
could pick up a long T15 Torx screwdriver without much trouble but getting 
things unsoldered without burning the board is a different thing. Then again, 
it used to be that a machine would barley creak past the three year mark before 
failing, if they made it that far. My 2008 Mac Pro and 2012 MacBook Pro are 
still humming along just fine at work. So are the PowerMac G4 in the basement 
and the 2009 Mini hooked to the TV at home. It's no longer planned obsolescence 
through hardware failure but by software that requires more and more. 
Eventually support is dropped and I have to make the call on whether I can live 
with a particular piece of hardware running software frozen in time. At least 
with the MacPro it can still run OSX 10.11 even if it's a bit pokey.

CB

On 7/9/16 8:01 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

Apple doesn’t want you to upgrade at all.  For most products now once you buy 
it your stuck with what you got.  As Simon mentioned there may be an access 
panel on the iMac but for the most part everything is hard soldered to the 
board.


On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:

Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested in 
doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer for RAM 
upgrades.

On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott  wrote:

Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself,
you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be
upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.

Portia.

On 7/7/16, Portia Scott  wrote:

Hey Arnold,

That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.

I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.

Portia.

On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:

It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4
gig
of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want
about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.

Arnold Schmidt

Arnold Schmidt

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RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Simon Fogarty]

Ah yes, the great classics of rock.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
Sent: Friday, 15 July 2016 11:32 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

So glad to know I'm not the only one who immediately thought of Frank. Lol!

On 7/15/16, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> Joe’s Garage? What is that other than a great album  by Frank zapper!
>
>  Yeah it's a full on computer
> At the time we priced it there was 64gb ram,
> 12 core xeon processor,
>  2 6 gb graphics cards,
> And the max number of ssd drives we could put in it.
>
>  All a dream but hey it was worth while the reaction of the boss when 
> we presented him with the quote.
>
> I've asked for 2 27 inch thunderbolt monitors as well but got the why 
> the heck do I need those, I just told him better sound quality.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, 14 July 2016 5:41 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
>
> Hi Simon, I hear you, I priced one out and hit about $12,000 before I 
> even bought a monitor.  That’s a lot to spend for a hobby or experiment 
> though.
> I’ll probably go iMac just because do I really need that many cores. I 
> bet the iMac will run all the plugins and such I want to try out.  
> Would rather spend that extra money on some vintage synth gear.
>
> All this vintage synth and music gear talk makes me wonder what 
> happened to Joe’s Garage. In the main mix position in Joe’s Garage you 
> could mix in several axes complete with over head and floor mounted speakers.
>
> Thanks for the feedback on the Pro though.  As much as I’d love one 
> that’s hard to justify with out making money with it.
>
>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 4:31 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>
>> HI Scott,
>>
>> I've seen one being used but haven't had a play with one myself.
>>
>> The new mac pros that is.
>>
>> They resemble a small trash bin,
>> Almost like a small R2D2  droid.
>>
>> But nothing showing on the front but you turn them around and they've 
>> got a panel approx. 5inchs square that has all the connections on it.
>>
>> The model I got to see was the vbasic version with only 16 gig ram, 
>> but we priced one for a joke that was fully speced to the max that 
>> came to just under 30 thousand NZ dollars.
>>
>> Very fast machine if you have a SSD with the os on it and good amount 
>> of ram.
>>
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2016 2:38 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
>>
>> Hi Tim, by mac pro do you mean a Macbook pro or a real mac pro desktop.
>> I’ve been thinking about getting a mac pro desktop but (power work 
>> station might be a better word for it) but I haven’t met anyone who’s used 
>> one.
>> If you’re using the later, any impressions?
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 5:32 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I agree totally with your assessment here.  Although, regarding the 
>>> MacPro, I installed a SSD into Bay 1 of mine, created a fusion drive 
>>> between it and a 1 TB spinner in Bay 2 and knocked it up to 16 GB of RAM.
>>>  It runs quite well with El Capitan now.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 15:21, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Nothing new here, Apple is just better at keeping consumers out of 
>>> their widgets now then back in the Mac Plus days. They figured out 
>>> that most people could pick up a long T15 Torx screwdriver without 
>>> much trouble but getting things unsoldered without burning the board is a 
>>> different thing.
>>> Then again, it used to be that a machine would barley creak past the 
>>> three year mark before failing, if they made it that far. My 2008 
>>> Mac Pro and 2012 MacBook Pro are still humming along just fine at 
>>> work. So are the PowerMac G4 in the basement and the 2009 Mini 
>>> hooked to the TV at home. It's no longer planned obsolescenc

Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Scott Granados]

Frank was the best.

Dial your favorite vegetable and it will respond to you!

> On Jul 15, 2016, at 7:31 AM, Kimber Gardner <kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> So glad to know I'm not the only one who immediately thought of Frank. Lol!
> 
> On 7/15/16, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> Joe’s Garage? What is that other than a great album  by Frank zapper!
>> 
>> Yeah it's a full on computer
>> At the time we priced it there was 64gb ram,
>> 12 core xeon processor,
>> 2 6 gb graphics cards,
>> And the max number of ssd drives we could put in it.
>> 
>> All a dream but hey it was worth while the reaction of the boss when we
>> presented him with the quote.
>> 
>> I've asked for 2 27 inch thunderbolt monitors as well but got the why the
>> heck do I need those,
>> I just told him better sound quality.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Thursday, 14 July 2016 5:41 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
>> 
>> Hi Simon, I hear you, I priced one out and hit about $12,000 before I even
>> bought a monitor.  That’s a lot to spend for a hobby or experiment though.
>> I’ll probably go iMac just because do I really need that many cores. I bet
>> the iMac will run all the plugins and such I want to try out.  Would rather
>> spend that extra money on some vintage synth gear.
>> 
>> All this vintage synth and music gear talk makes me wonder what happened to
>> Joe’s Garage. In the main mix position in Joe’s Garage you could mix in
>> several axes complete with over head and floor mounted speakers.
>> 
>> Thanks for the feedback on the Pro though.  As much as I’d love one that’s
>> hard to justify with out making money with it.
>> 
>>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 4:31 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> HI Scott,
>>> 
>>> I've seen one being used but haven't had a play with one myself.
>>> 
>>> The new mac pros that is.
>>> 
>>> They resemble a small trash bin,
>>> Almost like a small R2D2  droid.
>>> 
>>> But nothing showing on the front but you turn them around and they've got
>>> a panel approx. 5inchs square that has all the connections on it.
>>> 
>>> The model I got to see was the vbasic version with only 16 gig ram, but we
>>> priced one for a joke that was fully speced to the max that came to just
>>> under 30 thousand NZ dollars.
>>> 
>>> Very fast machine if you have a SSD with the os on it and good amount of
>>> ram.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2016 2:38 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim, by mac pro do you mean a Macbook pro or a real mac pro desktop.
>>> I’ve been thinking about getting a mac pro desktop but (power work station
>>> might be a better word for it) but I haven’t met anyone who’s used one.
>>> If you’re using the later, any impressions?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 5:32 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I agree totally with your assessment here.  Although, regarding the
>>>> MacPro, I installed a SSD into Bay 1 of mine, created a fusion drive
>>>> between it and a 1 TB spinner in Bay 2 and knocked it up to 16 GB of RAM.
>>>> It runs quite well with El Capitan now.
>>>> 
>>>> Later...
>>>> 
>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 15:21, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Nothing new here, Apple is just better at keeping consumers out of their
>>>> widgets now then back in the Mac Plus days. They figured out that most
>>>> people could pick up a long T15 Torx screwdriver without much trouble but
>>>> getting things unsoldered without burning the board is a different thing.
>>>> Then again, it used to be that a machine would barley creak past the
>>>> three year mark before failing, if they

Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Scott Granados]

Frank is right,  Joe’s Garage was the name of his studio and rehearsal space.:)

And yes a great album.



> On Jul 15, 2016, at 4:37 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Joe’s Garage? What is that other than a great album  by Frank zapper!
> 
> Yeah it's a full on computer 
> At the time we priced it there was 64gb ram,
> 12 core xeon processor,
> 2 6 gb graphics cards,
> And the max number of ssd drives we could put in it.
> 
> All a dream but hey it was worth while the reaction of the boss when we 
> presented him with the quote.
> 
> I've asked for 2 27 inch thunderbolt monitors as well but got the why the 
> heck do I need those, 
> I just told him better sound quality.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, 14 July 2016 5:41 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
> 
> Hi Simon, I hear you, I priced one out and hit about $12,000 before I even 
> bought a monitor.  That’s a lot to spend for a hobby or experiment though.  
> I’ll probably go iMac just because do I really need that many cores. I bet 
> the iMac will run all the plugins and such I want to try out.  Would rather 
> spend that extra money on some vintage synth gear.
> 
> All this vintage synth and music gear talk makes me wonder what happened to 
> Joe’s Garage. In the main mix position in Joe’s Garage you could mix in 
> several axes complete with over head and floor mounted speakers. 
> 
> Thanks for the feedback on the Pro though.  As much as I’d love one that’s 
> hard to justify with out making money with it.
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 4:31 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> HI Scott,
>> 
>> I've seen one being used but haven't had a play with one myself.
>> 
>> The new mac pros that is.
>> 
>> They resemble a small trash bin,
>> Almost like a small R2D2  droid.
>> 
>> But nothing showing on the front but you turn them around and they've got a 
>> panel approx. 5inchs square that has all the connections on it.
>> 
>> The model I got to see was the vbasic version with only 16 gig ram, but we 
>> priced one for a joke that was fully speced to the max that came to just 
>> under 30 thousand NZ dollars.
>> 
>> Very fast machine if you have a SSD with the os on it and good amount of ram.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2016 2:38 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
>> 
>> Hi Tim, by mac pro do you mean a Macbook pro or a real mac pro desktop.  
>> I’ve been thinking about getting a mac pro desktop but (power work station 
>> might be a better word for it) but I haven’t met anyone who’s used one.  If 
>> you’re using the later, any impressions?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 5:32 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I agree totally with your assessment here.  Although, regarding the MacPro, 
>>> I installed a SSD into Bay 1 of mine, created a fusion drive between it and 
>>> a 1 TB spinner in Bay 2 and knocked it up to 16 GB of RAM.  It runs quite 
>>> well with El Capitan now.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 15:21, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Nothing new here, Apple is just better at keeping consumers out of their 
>>> widgets now then back in the Mac Plus days. They figured out that most 
>>> people could pick up a long T15 Torx screwdriver without much trouble but 
>>> getting things unsoldered without burning the board is a different thing. 
>>> Then again, it used to be that a machine would barley creak past the three 
>>> year mark before failing, if they made it that far. My 2008 Mac Pro and 
>>> 2012 MacBook Pro are still humming along just fine at work. So are the 
>>> PowerMac G4 in the basement and the 2009 Mini hooked to the TV at home. 
>>> It's no longer planned obsolescence through hardware failure but by 
>>> software that requires more and more. Eventually support is dropped and I 
>>> have to make the call on whether I can live with a particular piece of 
>>> hardware r

Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Kimber Gardner]

So glad to know I'm not the only one who immediately thought of Frank. Lol!

On 7/15/16, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> Joe’s Garage? What is that other than a great album  by Frank zapper!
>
>  Yeah it's a full on computer
> At the time we priced it there was 64gb ram,
> 12 core xeon processor,
>  2 6 gb graphics cards,
> And the max number of ssd drives we could put in it.
>
>  All a dream but hey it was worth while the reaction of the boss when we
> presented him with the quote.
>
> I've asked for 2 27 inch thunderbolt monitors as well but got the why the
> heck do I need those,
> I just told him better sound quality.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, 14 July 2016 5:41 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
>
> Hi Simon, I hear you, I priced one out and hit about $12,000 before I even
> bought a monitor.  That’s a lot to spend for a hobby or experiment though.
> I’ll probably go iMac just because do I really need that many cores. I bet
> the iMac will run all the plugins and such I want to try out.  Would rather
> spend that extra money on some vintage synth gear.
>
> All this vintage synth and music gear talk makes me wonder what happened to
> Joe’s Garage. In the main mix position in Joe’s Garage you could mix in
> several axes complete with over head and floor mounted speakers.
>
> Thanks for the feedback on the Pro though.  As much as I’d love one that’s
> hard to justify with out making money with it.
>
>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 4:31 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>
>> HI Scott,
>>
>> I've seen one being used but haven't had a play with one myself.
>>
>> The new mac pros that is.
>>
>> They resemble a small trash bin,
>> Almost like a small R2D2  droid.
>>
>> But nothing showing on the front but you turn them around and they've got
>> a panel approx. 5inchs square that has all the connections on it.
>>
>> The model I got to see was the vbasic version with only 16 gig ram, but we
>> priced one for a joke that was fully speced to the max that came to just
>> under 30 thousand NZ dollars.
>>
>> Very fast machine if you have a SSD with the os on it and good amount of
>> ram.
>>
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2016 2:38 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
>>
>> Hi Tim, by mac pro do you mean a Macbook pro or a real mac pro desktop.
>> I’ve been thinking about getting a mac pro desktop but (power work station
>> might be a better word for it) but I haven’t met anyone who’s used one.
>> If you’re using the later, any impressions?
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 5:32 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I agree totally with your assessment here.  Although, regarding the
>>> MacPro, I installed a SSD into Bay 1 of mine, created a fusion drive
>>> between it and a 1 TB spinner in Bay 2 and knocked it up to 16 GB of RAM.
>>>  It runs quite well with El Capitan now.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 15:21, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Nothing new here, Apple is just better at keeping consumers out of their
>>> widgets now then back in the Mac Plus days. They figured out that most
>>> people could pick up a long T15 Torx screwdriver without much trouble but
>>> getting things unsoldered without burning the board is a different thing.
>>> Then again, it used to be that a machine would barley creak past the
>>> three year mark before failing, if they made it that far. My 2008 Mac Pro
>>> and 2012 MacBook Pro are still humming along just fine at work. So are
>>> the PowerMac G4 in the basement and the 2009 Mini hooked to the TV at
>>> home. It's no longer planned obsolescence through hardware failure but by
>>> software that requires more and more. Eventually support is dropped and I
>>> have to make the call on whether I can live with a particular piece of
>>> hardware running software frozen in time. At least with the MacPro it can
>>> still run OSX 10.11 even if it's a bit 

RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Simon Fogarty]

Joe’s Garage? What is that other than a great album  by Frank zapper!

 Yeah it's a full on computer 
At the time we priced it there was 64gb ram,
12 core xeon processor,
 2 6 gb graphics cards,
And the max number of ssd drives we could put in it.

 All a dream but hey it was worth while the reaction of the boss when we 
presented him with the quote.

I've asked for 2 27 inch thunderbolt monitors as well but got the why the heck 
do I need those, 
I just told him better sound quality.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, 14 July 2016 5:41 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

Hi Simon, I hear you, I priced one out and hit about $12,000 before I even 
bought a monitor.  That’s a lot to spend for a hobby or experiment though.  
I’ll probably go iMac just because do I really need that many cores. I bet the 
iMac will run all the plugins and such I want to try out.  Would rather spend 
that extra money on some vintage synth gear.

All this vintage synth and music gear talk makes me wonder what happened to 
Joe’s Garage. In the main mix position in Joe’s Garage you could mix in several 
axes complete with over head and floor mounted speakers. 

Thanks for the feedback on the Pro though.  As much as I’d love one that’s hard 
to justify with out making money with it.

> On Jul 13, 2016, at 4:31 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> HI Scott,
> 
> I've seen one being used but haven't had a play with one myself.
> 
> The new mac pros that is.
> 
> They resemble a small trash bin,
> Almost like a small R2D2  droid.
> 
> But nothing showing on the front but you turn them around and they've got a 
> panel approx. 5inchs square that has all the connections on it.
> 
> The model I got to see was the vbasic version with only 16 gig ram, but we 
> priced one for a joke that was fully speced to the max that came to just 
> under 30 thousand NZ dollars.
> 
> Very fast machine if you have a SSD with the os on it and good amount of ram.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2016 2:38 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
> 
> Hi Tim, by mac pro do you mean a Macbook pro or a real mac pro desktop.  I’ve 
> been thinking about getting a mac pro desktop but (power work station might 
> be a better word for it) but I haven’t met anyone who’s used one.  If you’re 
> using the later, any impressions?
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 5:32 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I agree totally with your assessment here.  Although, regarding the MacPro, 
>> I installed a SSD into Bay 1 of mine, created a fusion drive between it and 
>> a 1 TB spinner in Bay 2 and knocked it up to 16 GB of RAM.  It runs quite 
>> well with El Capitan now.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 15:21, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Nothing new here, Apple is just better at keeping consumers out of their 
>> widgets now then back in the Mac Plus days. They figured out that most 
>> people could pick up a long T15 Torx screwdriver without much trouble but 
>> getting things unsoldered without burning the board is a different thing. 
>> Then again, it used to be that a machine would barley creak past the three 
>> year mark before failing, if they made it that far. My 2008 Mac Pro and 2012 
>> MacBook Pro are still humming along just fine at work. So are the PowerMac 
>> G4 in the basement and the 2009 Mini hooked to the TV at home. It's no 
>> longer planned obsolescence through hardware failure but by software that 
>> requires more and more. Eventually support is dropped and I have to make the 
>> call on whether I can live with a particular piece of hardware running 
>> software frozen in time. At least with the MacPro it can still run OSX 10.11 
>> even if it's a bit pokey.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 7/9/16 8:01 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> Apple doesn’t want you to upgrade at all.  For most products now once you 
>>> buy it your stuck with what you got.  As Simon mentioned there may be an 
>>> access panel on the iMac but for the most part everything is hard soldered 
>>> to the board.
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Saqib Hussain <saqib1...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 

Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Scott Granados]

Hi Simon, I hear you, I priced one out and hit about $12,000 before I even 
bought a monitor.  That’s a lot to spend for a hobby or experiment though.  
I’ll probably go iMac just because do I really need that many cores. I bet the 
iMac will run all the plugins and such I want to try out.  Would rather spend 
that extra money on some vintage synth gear.

All this vintage synth and music gear talk makes me wonder what happened to 
Joe’s Garage. In the main mix position in Joe’s Garage you could mix in several 
axes complete with over head and floor mounted speakers. 

Thanks for the feedback on the Pro though.  As much as I’d love one that’s hard 
to justify with out making money with it.

> On Jul 13, 2016, at 4:31 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> HI Scott,
> 
> I've seen one being used but haven't had a play with one myself.
> 
> The new mac pros that is.
> 
> They resemble a small trash bin,
> Almost like a small R2D2  droid.
> 
> But nothing showing on the front but you turn them around and they've got a 
> panel approx. 5inchs square that has all the connections on it.
> 
> The model I got to see was the vbasic version with only 16 gig ram, but we 
> priced one for a joke that was fully speced to the max that came to just 
> under 30 thousand NZ dollars.
> 
> Very fast machine if you have a SSD with the os on it and good amount of ram.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2016 2:38 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
> 
> Hi Tim, by mac pro do you mean a Macbook pro or a real mac pro desktop.  I’ve 
> been thinking about getting a mac pro desktop but (power work station might 
> be a better word for it) but I haven’t met anyone who’s used one.  If you’re 
> using the later, any impressions?
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 5:32 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I agree totally with your assessment here.  Although, regarding the MacPro, 
>> I installed a SSD into Bay 1 of mine, created a fusion drive between it and 
>> a 1 TB spinner in Bay 2 and knocked it up to 16 GB of RAM.  It runs quite 
>> well with El Capitan now.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 15:21, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Nothing new here, Apple is just better at keeping consumers out of their 
>> widgets now then back in the Mac Plus days. They figured out that most 
>> people could pick up a long T15 Torx screwdriver without much trouble but 
>> getting things unsoldered without burning the board is a different thing. 
>> Then again, it used to be that a machine would barley creak past the three 
>> year mark before failing, if they made it that far. My 2008 Mac Pro and 2012 
>> MacBook Pro are still humming along just fine at work. So are the PowerMac 
>> G4 in the basement and the 2009 Mini hooked to the TV at home. It's no 
>> longer planned obsolescence through hardware failure but by software that 
>> requires more and more. Eventually support is dropped and I have to make the 
>> call on whether I can live with a particular piece of hardware running 
>> software frozen in time. At least with the MacPro it can still run OSX 10.11 
>> even if it's a bit pokey.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 7/9/16 8:01 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> Apple doesn’t want you to upgrade at all.  For most products now once you 
>>> buy it your stuck with what you got.  As Simon mentioned there may be an 
>>> access panel on the iMac but for the most part everything is hard soldered 
>>> to the board.
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Saqib Hussain <saqib1...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested 
>>>> in doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer 
>>>> for RAM upgrades.
>>>>> On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott <portia.sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to 
>>>>> yourself, you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, 
>>>>> mine can be upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is 
>>>>> decent.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Portia.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 7/7/16, Portia Scott <portia.sc.

RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Simon Fogarty]

HI Scott,

 I've seen one being used but haven't had a play with one myself.

 The new mac pros that is.

 They resemble a small trash bin,
 Almost like a small R2D2  droid.

 But nothing showing on the front but you turn them around and they've got a 
panel approx. 5inchs square that has all the connections on it.

 The model I got to see was the vbasic version with only 16 gig ram, but we 
priced one for a joke that was fully speced to the max that came to just under 
30 thousand NZ dollars.

 Very fast machine if you have a SSD with the os on it and good amount of ram.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2016 2:38 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

Hi Tim, by mac pro do you mean a Macbook pro or a real mac pro desktop.  I’ve 
been thinking about getting a mac pro desktop but (power work station might be 
a better word for it) but I haven’t met anyone who’s used one.  If you’re using 
the later, any impressions?



> On Jul 11, 2016, at 5:32 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I agree totally with your assessment here.  Although, regarding the MacPro, I 
> installed a SSD into Bay 1 of mine, created a fusion drive between it and a 1 
> TB spinner in Bay 2 and knocked it up to 16 GB of RAM.  It runs quite well 
> with El Capitan now.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 11, 2016, at 15:21, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Nothing new here, Apple is just better at keeping consumers out of their 
> widgets now then back in the Mac Plus days. They figured out that most people 
> could pick up a long T15 Torx screwdriver without much trouble but getting 
> things unsoldered without burning the board is a different thing. Then again, 
> it used to be that a machine would barley creak past the three year mark 
> before failing, if they made it that far. My 2008 Mac Pro and 2012 MacBook 
> Pro are still humming along just fine at work. So are the PowerMac G4 in the 
> basement and the 2009 Mini hooked to the TV at home. It's no longer planned 
> obsolescence through hardware failure but by software that requires more and 
> more. Eventually support is dropped and I have to make the call on whether I 
> can live with a particular piece of hardware running software frozen in time. 
> At least with the MacPro it can still run OSX 10.11 even if it's a bit pokey.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 7/9/16 8:01 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> Apple doesn’t want you to upgrade at all.  For most products now once you 
>> buy it your stuck with what you got.  As Simon mentioned there may be an 
>> access panel on the iMac but for the most part everything is hard soldered 
>> to the board.
>> 
>>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Saqib Hussain <saqib1...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested 
>>> in doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer for 
>>> RAM upgrades.
>>>> On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott <portia.sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to 
>>>> yourself, you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, 
>>>> mine can be upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is 
>>>> decent.
>>>> 
>>>> Portia.
>>>> 
>>>> On 7/7/16, Portia Scott <portia.sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hey Arnold,
>>>>> 
>>>>> That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Portia.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt <arno...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>>> It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but 
>>>>>> only 4 gig of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty 
>>>>>> for me.  They want about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any 
>>>>>> opinions.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
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>>>>>> Visionaries list.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about th

Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Tim Kilburn]

It'll do that job well, and likely have power left over to handle some other 
tasks too.

Good luck.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 11, 2016, at 21:20, Scott Granados  wrote:

I was thinking of picking one up to run a protools setup as well as video 
editing.

I like the idea of a round case.:)  Also that’s a ton of cores you can load up 
in that thing.

Thanks I suspected they were very good, nice to hear from sone with first hand 
experience.

> On Jul 11, 2016, at 11:02 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> 
> MacPro it is.  I have three at various locations within our School District, 
> a few older X-Serves and some good old Mac Minis all running as OS X Servers 
> and I liked the MacPro so much, I got one for home as well.  It's a 2009 
> model, so doesn't have the oomph that the newer cylindrical ones do, but it's 
> a work-horse.  I do also have a MacBook Pro, but that's a different story.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 11, 2016, at 20:38, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim, by mac pro do you mean a Macbook pro or a real mac pro desktop.  I’ve 
> been thinking about getting a mac pro desktop but (power work station might 
> be a better word for it) but I haven’t met anyone who’s used one.  If you’re 
> using the later, any impressions?
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 5:32 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I agree totally with your assessment here.  Although, regarding the MacPro, 
>> I installed a SSD into Bay 1 of mine, created a fusion drive between it and 
>> a 1 TB spinner in Bay 2 and knocked it up to 16 GB of RAM.  It runs quite 
>> well with El Capitan now.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 15:21, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Nothing new here, Apple is just better at keeping consumers out of their 
>> widgets now then back in the Mac Plus days. They figured out that most 
>> people could pick up a long T15 Torx screwdriver without much trouble but 
>> getting things unsoldered without burning the board is a different thing. 
>> Then again, it used to be that a machine would barley creak past the three 
>> year mark before failing, if they made it that far. My 2008 Mac Pro and 2012 
>> MacBook Pro are still humming along just fine at work. So are the PowerMac 
>> G4 in the basement and the 2009 Mini hooked to the TV at home. It's no 
>> longer planned obsolescence through hardware failure but by software that 
>> requires more and more. Eventually support is dropped and I have to make the 
>> call on whether I can live with a particular piece of hardware running 
>> software frozen in time. At least with the MacPro it can still run OSX 10.11 
>> even if it's a bit pokey.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 7/9/16 8:01 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> Apple doesn’t want you to upgrade at all.  For most products now once you 
>>> buy it your stuck with what you got.  As Simon mentioned there may be an 
>>> access panel on the iMac but for the most part everything is hard soldered 
>>> to the board.
>>> 
 On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
 
 Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested 
 in doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer 
 for RAM upgrades.
> On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott  wrote:
> 
> Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself,
> you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be
> upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.
> 
> Portia.
> 
> On 7/7/16, Portia Scott  wrote:
>> Hey Arnold,
>> 
>> That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.
>> 
>> I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.
>> 
>> Portia.
>> 
>> On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>>> It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4
>>> gig
>>> of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want
>>> about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.
>>> 
>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>> 
>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>> 
>>> --
>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac
>>> Visionaries list.
>>> 
>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or
>>> if
>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the 
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>>> or
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>>> 
>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is 
>>> Cara
>>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com

Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Scott Granados]

I was thinking of picking one up to run a protools setup as well as video 
editing.

I like the idea of a round case.:)  Also that’s a ton of cores you can load up 
in that thing.

Thanks I suspected they were very good, nice to hear from sone with first hand 
experience.

> On Jul 11, 2016, at 11:02 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> 
> MacPro it is.  I have three at various locations within our School District, 
> a few older X-Serves and some good old Mac Minis all running as OS X Servers 
> and I liked the MacPro so much, I got one for home as well.  It's a 2009 
> model, so doesn't have the oomph that the newer cylindrical ones do, but it's 
> a work-horse.  I do also have a MacBook Pro, but that's a different story.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 11, 2016, at 20:38, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim, by mac pro do you mean a Macbook pro or a real mac pro desktop.  I’ve 
> been thinking about getting a mac pro desktop but (power work station might 
> be a better word for it) but I haven’t met anyone who’s used one.  If you’re 
> using the later, any impressions?
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 5:32 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I agree totally with your assessment here.  Although, regarding the MacPro, 
>> I installed a SSD into Bay 1 of mine, created a fusion drive between it and 
>> a 1 TB spinner in Bay 2 and knocked it up to 16 GB of RAM.  It runs quite 
>> well with El Capitan now.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 15:21, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Nothing new here, Apple is just better at keeping consumers out of their 
>> widgets now then back in the Mac Plus days. They figured out that most 
>> people could pick up a long T15 Torx screwdriver without much trouble but 
>> getting things unsoldered without burning the board is a different thing. 
>> Then again, it used to be that a machine would barley creak past the three 
>> year mark before failing, if they made it that far. My 2008 Mac Pro and 2012 
>> MacBook Pro are still humming along just fine at work. So are the PowerMac 
>> G4 in the basement and the 2009 Mini hooked to the TV at home. It's no 
>> longer planned obsolescence through hardware failure but by software that 
>> requires more and more. Eventually support is dropped and I have to make the 
>> call on whether I can live with a particular piece of hardware running 
>> software frozen in time. At least with the MacPro it can still run OSX 10.11 
>> even if it's a bit pokey.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 7/9/16 8:01 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> Apple doesn’t want you to upgrade at all.  For most products now once you 
>>> buy it your stuck with what you got.  As Simon mentioned there may be an 
>>> access panel on the iMac but for the most part everything is hard soldered 
>>> to the board.
>>> 
 On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
 
 Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested 
 in doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer 
 for RAM upgrades.
> On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott  wrote:
> 
> Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself,
> you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be
> upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.
> 
> Portia.
> 
> On 7/7/16, Portia Scott  wrote:
>> Hey Arnold,
>> 
>> That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.
>> 
>> I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.
>> 
>> Portia.
>> 
>> On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>>> It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4
>>> gig
>>> of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want
>>> about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.
>>> 
>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>> 
>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> Visionaries list.
>>> 
>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or
>>> if
>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the 
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>>> or
>>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>> 
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>>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>>> 
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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Tim Kilburn]

Scott,

MacPro it is.  I have three at various locations within our School District, a 
few older X-Serves and some good old Mac Minis all running as OS X Servers and 
I liked the MacPro so much, I got one for home as well.  It's a 2009 model, so 
doesn't have the oomph that the newer cylindrical ones do, but it's a 
work-horse.  I do also have a MacBook Pro, but that's a different story.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 11, 2016, at 20:38, Scott Granados  wrote:

Hi Tim, by mac pro do you mean a Macbook pro or a real mac pro desktop.  I’ve 
been thinking about getting a mac pro desktop but (power work station might be 
a better word for it) but I haven’t met anyone who’s used one.  If you’re using 
the later, any impressions?



> On Jul 11, 2016, at 5:32 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I agree totally with your assessment here.  Although, regarding the MacPro, I 
> installed a SSD into Bay 1 of mine, created a fusion drive between it and a 1 
> TB spinner in Bay 2 and knocked it up to 16 GB of RAM.  It runs quite well 
> with El Capitan now.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 11, 2016, at 15:21, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Nothing new here, Apple is just better at keeping consumers out of their 
> widgets now then back in the Mac Plus days. They figured out that most people 
> could pick up a long T15 Torx screwdriver without much trouble but getting 
> things unsoldered without burning the board is a different thing. Then again, 
> it used to be that a machine would barley creak past the three year mark 
> before failing, if they made it that far. My 2008 Mac Pro and 2012 MacBook 
> Pro are still humming along just fine at work. So are the PowerMac G4 in the 
> basement and the 2009 Mini hooked to the TV at home. It's no longer planned 
> obsolescence through hardware failure but by software that requires more and 
> more. Eventually support is dropped and I have to make the call on whether I 
> can live with a particular piece of hardware running software frozen in time. 
> At least with the MacPro it can still run OSX 10.11 even if it's a bit pokey.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 7/9/16 8:01 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> Apple doesn’t want you to upgrade at all.  For most products now once you 
>> buy it your stuck with what you got.  As Simon mentioned there may be an 
>> access panel on the iMac but for the most part everything is hard soldered 
>> to the board.
>> 
>>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested 
>>> in doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer for 
>>> RAM upgrades.
 On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott  wrote:
 
 Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself,
 you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be
 upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.
 
 Portia.
 
 On 7/7/16, Portia Scott  wrote:
> Hey Arnold,
> 
> That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.
> 
> I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.
> 
> Portia.
> 
> On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>> It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4
>> gig
>> of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want
>> about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> 
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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Scott Granados]

Hi Tim, by mac pro do you mean a Macbook pro or a real mac pro desktop.  I’ve 
been thinking about getting a mac pro desktop but (power work station might be 
a better word for it) but I haven’t met anyone who’s used one.  If you’re using 
the later, any impressions?



> On Jul 11, 2016, at 5:32 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I agree totally with your assessment here.  Although, regarding the MacPro, I 
> installed a SSD into Bay 1 of mine, created a fusion drive between it and a 1 
> TB spinner in Bay 2 and knocked it up to 16 GB of RAM.  It runs quite well 
> with El Capitan now.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 11, 2016, at 15:21, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Nothing new here, Apple is just better at keeping consumers out of their 
> widgets now then back in the Mac Plus days. They figured out that most people 
> could pick up a long T15 Torx screwdriver without much trouble but getting 
> things unsoldered without burning the board is a different thing. Then again, 
> it used to be that a machine would barley creak past the three year mark 
> before failing, if they made it that far. My 2008 Mac Pro and 2012 MacBook 
> Pro are still humming along just fine at work. So are the PowerMac G4 in the 
> basement and the 2009 Mini hooked to the TV at home. It's no longer planned 
> obsolescence through hardware failure but by software that requires more and 
> more. Eventually support is dropped and I have to make the call on whether I 
> can live with a particular piece of hardware running software frozen in time. 
> At least with the MacPro it can still run OSX 10.11 even if it's a bit pokey.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 7/9/16 8:01 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> Apple doesn’t want you to upgrade at all.  For most products now once you 
>> buy it your stuck with what you got.  As Simon mentioned there may be an 
>> access panel on the iMac but for the most part everything is hard soldered 
>> to the board.
>> 
>>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested 
>>> in doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer for 
>>> RAM upgrades.
 On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott  wrote:
 
 Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself,
 you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be
 upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.
 
 Portia.
 
 On 7/7/16, Portia Scott  wrote:
> Hey Arnold,
> 
> That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.
> 
> I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.
> 
> Portia.
> 
> On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>> It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4
>> gig
>> of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want
>> about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> 
>> --
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>> Visionaries list.
>> 
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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I agree totally with your assessment here.  Although, regarding the MacPro, I 
installed a SSD into Bay 1 of mine, created a fusion drive between it and a 1 
TB spinner in Bay 2 and knocked it up to 16 GB of RAM.  It runs quite well with 
El Capitan now.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 11, 2016, at 15:21, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Nothing new here, Apple is just better at keeping consumers out of their 
widgets now then back in the Mac Plus days. They figured out that most people 
could pick up a long T15 Torx screwdriver without much trouble but getting 
things unsoldered without burning the board is a different thing. Then again, 
it used to be that a machine would barley creak past the three year mark before 
failing, if they made it that far. My 2008 Mac Pro and 2012 MacBook Pro are 
still humming along just fine at work. So are the PowerMac G4 in the basement 
and the 2009 Mini hooked to the TV at home. It's no longer planned obsolescence 
through hardware failure but by software that requires more and more. 
Eventually support is dropped and I have to make the call on whether I can live 
with a particular piece of hardware running software frozen in time. At least 
with the MacPro it can still run OSX 10.11 even if it's a bit pokey.

CB

On 7/9/16 8:01 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
> Apple doesn’t want you to upgrade at all.  For most products now once you buy 
> it your stuck with what you got.  As Simon mentioned there may be an access 
> panel on the iMac but for the most part everything is hard soldered to the 
> board.
> 
>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested in 
>> doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer for RAM 
>> upgrades.
>>> On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself,
>>> you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be
>>> upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.
>>> 
>>> Portia.
>>> 
>>> On 7/7/16, Portia Scott  wrote:
 Hey Arnold,
 
 That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.
 
 I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.
 
 Portia.
 
 On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4
> gig
> of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want
> about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Nothing new here, Apple is just better at keeping consumers out of their 
widgets now then back in the Mac Plus days. They figured out that most 
people could pick up a long T15 Torx screwdriver without much trouble 
but getting things unsoldered without burning the board is a different 
thing. Then again, it used to be that a machine would barley creak past 
the three year mark before failing, if they made it that far. My 2008 
Mac Pro and 2012 MacBook Pro are still humming along just fine at work. 
So are the PowerMac G4 in the basement and the 2009 Mini hooked to the 
TV at home. It's no longer planned obsolescence through hardware failure 
but by software that requires more and more. Eventually support is 
dropped and I have to make the call on whether I can live with a 
particular piece of hardware running software frozen in time. At least 
with the MacPro it can still run OSX 10.11 even if it's a bit pokey.


CB

On 7/9/16 8:01 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

Apple doesn’t want you to upgrade at all.  For most products now once you buy 
it your stuck with what you got.  As Simon mentioned there may be an access 
panel on the iMac but for the most part everything is hard soldered to the 
board.


On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:

Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested in 
doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer for RAM 
upgrades.

On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott  wrote:

Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself,
you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be
upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.

Portia.

On 7/7/16, Portia Scott  wrote:

Hey Arnold,

That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.

I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.

Portia.

On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:

It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4
gig
of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want
about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.

Arnold Schmidt

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RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Tim,

Interesting concept.

Might have to have a look at this on an old machine I have access to.

Cheers.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Monday, 11 July 2016 3:41 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

Simon,

I've messed with a number of 2011 and 2012 MBP's and in most cases, I've just 
removed the optical drive and slid the spinning HD over into its slot, put the 
new SSD in where the spinning used to be, then, using Terminal, made them into 
a Fusion drive.  As with the addition of any SSD, the performance has improved 
exponentially.  Personally, I so seldom need the optical drive, it just seemed 
better to create the Fusion array instead.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 10, 2016, at 02:53, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

And Arnold,

That machine your getting sounds like the late 2011 model.

I’ve currently got with me a early 2011 model with 8 gig ram and 320 gig hard 
drive,

I’m updating it for my neace and when I’m finished it will be a 2011 mac book 
pro with optical drive,
16 gig of DDR3  ram, and a 480 or 500 gig ssd.
And as I’ve found from a previous machine I updated will work like a mac book 
air

Plus give my nease another 4 years at least of usage.


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 12:48 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

Hey Arnold, very good, just remember, that rotating drive will start to slow 
over time and also is the most likely thing to fail in the box.  So as always, 
keep good backups in case you need to reformat to boost up that speed again.  
If you can swing it go SSD sooner than later.  That’s even a bigger deal than 
memory to me because of the massive boost in performance from rotating disks to 
all solid state.

Let us know if you need any help on that Mac.  I like your move here buying a 
computer that doesn’t break the bank to get started with and no pressure or 
time constraints.  I think you’re making a good move.

On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:39 PM, Arnold Schmidt 
<arno...@mindspring.com<mailto:arno...@mindspring.com>> wrote:

I did order it, and it allegedly will be here in the next couple weeks, if not 
before.  The things in the following message are way beyond me at the moment.  
I will probably upgrade the memory first, then put in a 1 tb hard drive when 
the 500 gig one gets full, or quits.  Keep in mind  that this vista computer, 
from 2008, still has about 180 gig free on its 500 gig hard drive.

Arnold Schmidt
- Original Message -
From: Scott Granados<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

Arnold, this sounds like a screening deal.  I’d go for it, excellent choice.

You should swap out that drive though, you’ll have a Mac that performs much 
more like a later model and you’ll be happier.  If money is really tight you 
could do something like a 128 GB SSD for $100 or so maybe even less by now and 
then just put your near line data on an older style rotating model with your 
high demand stuff and program files on the SSD.  In fact, not to throw to much 
at you but you could just by a case for $25 or so, pull that 500GB drive, slap 
it in the case, insert a smaller sized or larger depending on funds SSD in the 
Mini and connect the 500 as a removable.  Or I believe there’s a  second bay if 
you want to have both internal.

Sounds like a good deal though.  Put 32GB of memory in there and you’ve got a 
powerhouse that will last you a good long time as well as make it fun to learn 
on for small dollars.


On Jul 7, 2016, at 12:51 PM, Arnold Schmidt 
<arno...@mindspring.com<mailto:arno...@mindspring.com>> wrote:

It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4 gig of 
ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want about 
$430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.

Arnold Schmidt

Arnold Schmidt

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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Tim Kilburn]

Simon,

I've messed with a number of 2011 and 2012 MBP's and in most cases, I've just 
removed the optical drive and slid the spinning HD over into its slot, put the 
new SSD in where the spinning used to be, then, using Terminal, made them into 
a Fusion drive.  As with the addition of any SSD, the performance has improved 
exponentially.  Personally, I so seldom need the optical drive, it just seemed 
better to create the Fusion array instead.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 10, 2016, at 02:53, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

And Arnold,
 
That machine your getting sounds like the late 2011 model.
 
I’ve currently got with me a early 2011 model with 8 gig ram and 320 gig hard 
drive,
 
I’m updating it for my neace and when I’m finished it will be a 2011 mac book 
pro with optical drive,
16 gig of DDR3  ram, and a 480 or 500 gig ssd.
And as I’ve found from a previous machine I updated will work like a mac book 
air
 
Plus give my nease another 4 years at least of usage.
 
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 12:48 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
 
Hey Arnold, very good, just remember, that rotating drive will start to slow 
over time and also is the most likely thing to fail in the box.  So as always, 
keep good backups in case you need to reformat to boost up that speed again.  
If you can swing it go SSD sooner than later.  That’s even a bigger deal than 
memory to me because of the massive boost in performance from rotating disks to 
all solid state.
 
Let us know if you need any help on that Mac.  I like your move here buying a 
computer that doesn’t break the bank to get started with and no pressure or 
time constraints.  I think you’re making a good move.
 
On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:39 PM, Arnold Schmidt <arno...@mindspring.com 
<mailto:arno...@mindspring.com>> wrote:
 
I did order it, and it allegedly will be here in the next couple weeks, if not 
before.  The things in the following message are way beyond me at the moment.  
I will probably upgrade the memory first, then put in a 1 tb hard drive when 
the 500 gig one gets full, or quits.  Keep in mind  that this vista computer, 
from 2008, still has about 180 gig free on its 500 gig hard drive.
 
Arnold Schmidt
- Original Message - 
From: Scott Granados <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
 
Arnold, this sounds like a screening deal.  I’d go for it, excellent choice.
 
You should swap out that drive though, you’ll have a Mac that performs much 
more like a later model and you’ll be happier.  If money is really tight you 
could do something like a 128 GB SSD for $100 or so maybe even less by now and 
then just put your near line data on an older style rotating model with your 
high demand stuff and program files on the SSD.  In fact, not to throw to much 
at you but you could just by a case for $25 or so, pull that 500GB drive, slap 
it in the case, insert a smaller sized or larger depending on funds SSD in the 
Mini and connect the 500 as a removable.  Or I believe there’s a  second bay if 
you want to have both internal.
 
Sounds like a good deal though.  Put 32GB of memory in there and you’ve got a 
powerhouse that will last you a good long time as well as make it fun to learn 
on for small dollars.  
 
 
On Jul 7, 2016, at 12:51 PM, Arnold Schmidt <arno...@mindspring.com 
<mailto:arno...@mindspring.com>> wrote:
 
It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4 gig of 
ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want about 
$430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions. 
 
Arnold Schmidt
 
Arnold Schmidt
 
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RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Simon Fogarty]

And Arnold,

That machine your getting sounds like the late 2011 model.

I’ve currently got with me a early 2011 model with 8 gig ram and 320 gig hard 
drive,

I’m updating it for my neace and when I’m finished it will be a 2011 mac book 
pro with optical drive,
16 gig of DDR3  ram, and a 480 or 500 gig ssd.
And as I’ve found from a previous machine I updated will work like a mac book 
air

Plus give my nease another 4 years at least of usage.


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 12:48 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

Hey Arnold, very good, just remember, that rotating drive will start to slow 
over time and also is the most likely thing to fail in the box.  So as always, 
keep good backups in case you need to reformat to boost up that speed again.  
If you can swing it go SSD sooner than later.  That’s even a bigger deal than 
memory to me because of the massive boost in performance from rotating disks to 
all solid state.

Let us know if you need any help on that Mac.  I like your move here buying a 
computer that doesn’t break the bank to get started with and no pressure or 
time constraints.  I think you’re making a good move.

On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:39 PM, Arnold Schmidt 
<arno...@mindspring.com<mailto:arno...@mindspring.com>> wrote:

I did order it, and it allegedly will be here in the next couple weeks, if not 
before.  The things in the following message are way beyond me at the moment.  
I will probably upgrade the memory first, then put in a 1 tb hard drive when 
the 500 gig one gets full, or quits.  Keep in mind  that this vista computer, 
from 2008, still has about 180 gig free on its 500 gig hard drive.

Arnold Schmidt
- Original Message -
From: Scott Granados<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

Arnold, this sounds like a screening deal.  I’d go for it, excellent choice.

You should swap out that drive though, you’ll have a Mac that performs much 
more like a later model and you’ll be happier.  If money is really tight you 
could do something like a 128 GB SSD for $100 or so maybe even less by now and 
then just put your near line data on an older style rotating model with your 
high demand stuff and program files on the SSD.  In fact, not to throw to much 
at you but you could just by a case for $25 or so, pull that 500GB drive, slap 
it in the case, insert a smaller sized or larger depending on funds SSD in the 
Mini and connect the 500 as a removable.  Or I believe there’s a  second bay if 
you want to have both internal.

Sounds like a good deal though.  Put 32GB of memory in there and you’ve got a 
powerhouse that will last you a good long time as well as make it fun to learn 
on for small dollars.


On Jul 7, 2016, at 12:51 PM, Arnold Schmidt 
<arno...@mindspring.com<mailto:arno...@mindspring.com>> wrote:

It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4 gig of 
ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want about 
$430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.

Arnold Schmidt

Arnold Schmidt

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RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Simon Fogarty]

 Scott, that panel is only on the 27 inch iMacs  the 21 inch is as you say 
totally closed unit unless your crazy enough to take the screan off to get 
intot he guts of it and change the spindal harddrive.



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Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 12:02 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

Apple doesn’t want you to upgrade at all.  For most products now once you buy 
it your stuck with what you got.  As Simon mentioned there may be an access 
panel on the iMac but for the most part everything is hard soldered to the 
board.

> On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Saqib Hussain <saqib1...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested in 
> doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer for RAM 
> upgrades. 
>> On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott <portia.sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself, 
>> you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be 
>> upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.
>> 
>> Portia.
>> 
>> On 7/7/16, Portia Scott <portia.sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hey Arnold,
>>> 
>>> That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.
>>> 
>>> I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.
>>> 
>>> Portia.
>>> 
>>> On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt <arno...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>> It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but 
>>>> only 4 gig of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty 
>>>> for me.  They want about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any 
>>>> opinions.
>>>> 
>>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>>> 
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RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah like the pentalobe driver you need for the mac book bases.

 I got mine with a screw driver set and so far it's worked fine.

 

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Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 12:00 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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Simon, I think it’s even worse now.  I believe in many cases they have replaced 
the screws with hex nuts and or special proprietary fasteners so you need to 
buy the $400 Apple tool to crack the box open.  (or a $17 chinese knockoff tool 
like I bought heh)

Stuff is so packed inside the Apple laptops and iMac, you’re so right there.  I 
had to have a girl with really small hands pop in the memory module because my 
fat fingers couldn’t make it work.


> On Jul 8, 2016, at 10:21 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Enewest mac minis, I don't believe so.
> 
> They have now made the mac mini  a closed unit, I gave it a good go 
> getting the base off one in a store near my home and couldn't move it 
> although the store wasn't happy I tried but it was pretty closed up.
> 
> It appears they now want to make it a no go with personal updates of 
> devices, as in you can't update the mac book pros like you use to be 
> able to, or the mac mini like you could before,
> 
> Imac can still be done '
> The 27 inch has a plate at the back that you can open to take out the 
> ram And if your really keen, you can take the screan off the 21 or 27inch 
> models to remove or change the harddrive.
> 
> I did this myself with a 21 inch 2007  imac and I wont do that again in a 
> hurry,  they are an absolute pig of a system to get into.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 12:03 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
> 
> Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested in 
> doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer for RAM 
> upgrades. 
>> On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott <portia.sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself, 
>> you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be 
>> upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.
>> 
>> Portia.
>> 
>> On 7/7/16, Portia Scott <portia.sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hey Arnold,
>>> 
>>> That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.
>>> 
>>> I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.
>>> 
>>> Portia.
>>> 
>>> On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt <arno...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>> It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but 
>>>> only
>>>> 4 gig of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  
>>>> They want about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.
>>>> 
>>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>>> 
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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Scott Granados]

Hey Arnold, very good, just remember, that rotating drive will start to slow 
over time and also is the most likely thing to fail in the box.  So as always, 
keep good backups in case you need to reformat to boost up that speed again.  
If you can swing it go SSD sooner than later.  That’s even a bigger deal than 
memory to me because of the massive boost in performance from rotating disks to 
all solid state.

Let us know if you need any help on that Mac.  I like your move here buying a 
computer that doesn’t break the bank to get started with and no pressure or 
time constraints.  I think you’re making a good move.

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:39 PM, Arnold Schmidt <arno...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> 
> I did order it, and it allegedly will be here in the next couple weeks, if 
> not before.  The things in the following message are way beyond me at the 
> moment.  I will probably upgrade the memory first, then put in a 1 tb hard 
> drive when the 500 gig one gets full, or quits.  Keep in mind  that this 
> vista computer, from 2008, still has about 180 gig free on its 500 gig hard 
> drive.
>  
> Arnold Schmidt
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Scott Granados <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 8:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
>> 
>> Arnold, this sounds like a screening deal.  I’d go for it, excellent choice.
>> 
>> You should swap out that drive though, you’ll have a Mac that performs much 
>> more like a later model and you’ll be happier.  If money is really tight you 
>> could do something like a 128 GB SSD for $100 or so maybe even less by now 
>> and then just put your near line data on an older style rotating model with 
>> your high demand stuff and program files on the SSD.  In fact, not to throw 
>> to much at you but you could just by a case for $25 or so, pull that 500GB 
>> drive, slap it in the case, insert a smaller sized or larger depending on 
>> funds SSD in the Mini and connect the 500 as a removable.  Or I believe 
>> there’s a  second bay if you want to have both internal.
>> 
>> Sounds like a good deal though.  Put 32GB of memory in there and you’ve got 
>> a powerhouse that will last you a good long time as well as make it fun to 
>> learn on for small dollars.  
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 7, 2016, at 12:51 PM, Arnold Schmidt <arno...@mindspring.com 
>>> <mailto:arno...@mindspring.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4 gig 
>>> of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want 
>>> about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions. 
>>>  
>>> Arnold Schmidt
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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Arnold Schmidt]

I did order it, and it allegedly will be here in the next couple weeks, if not 
before.  The things in the following message are way beyond me at the moment.  
I will probably upgrade the memory first, then put in a 1 tb hard drive when 
the 500 gig one gets full, or quits.  Keep in mind  that this vista computer, 
from 2008, still has about 180 gig free on its 500 gig hard drive.

Arnold Schmidt
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  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 8:17 PM
  Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini


  Arnold, this sounds like a screening deal.  I’d go for it, excellent choice.


  You should swap out that drive though, you’ll have a Mac that performs much 
more like a later model and you’ll be happier.  If money is really tight you 
could do something like a 128 GB SSD for $100 or so maybe even less by now and 
then just put your near line data on an older style rotating model with your 
high demand stuff and program files on the SSD.  In fact, not to throw to much 
at you but you could just by a case for $25 or so, pull that 500GB drive, slap 
it in the case, insert a smaller sized or larger depending on funds SSD in the 
Mini and connect the 500 as a removable.  Or I believe there’s a  second bay if 
you want to have both internal.


  Sounds like a good deal though.  Put 32GB of memory in there and you’ve got a 
powerhouse that will last you a good long time as well as make it fun to learn 
on for small dollars.  




On Jul 7, 2016, at 12:51 PM, Arnold Schmidt <arno...@mindspring.com> wrote:


It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4 gig 
of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want about 
$430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions. 

Arnold Schmidt

Arnold Schmidt


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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Scott Granados]

Arnold, this sounds like a screening deal.  I’d go for it, excellent choice.

You should swap out that drive though, you’ll have a Mac that performs much 
more like a later model and you’ll be happier.  If money is really tight you 
could do something like a 128 GB SSD for $100 or so maybe even less by now and 
then just put your near line data on an older style rotating model with your 
high demand stuff and program files on the SSD.  In fact, not to throw to much 
at you but you could just by a case for $25 or so, pull that 500GB drive, slap 
it in the case, insert a smaller sized or larger depending on funds SSD in the 
Mini and connect the 500 as a removable.  Or I believe there’s a  second bay if 
you want to have both internal.

Sounds like a good deal though.  Put 32GB of memory in there and you’ve got a 
powerhouse that will last you a good long time as well as make it fun to learn 
on for small dollars.  


> On Jul 7, 2016, at 12:51 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4 gig of 
> ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want about 
> $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions. 
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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Scott Granados]

So officially supported by apple is 16 gb but I have a 2011 Macbook Pro with 32 
no problem.  Fits in the same slots and OS X addresses all the memory nicely.


Great with virtual machines.  You can assign each one a gig more and let them 
run just about as well as if they were natively.

> On Jul 7, 2016, at 1:20 PM, Portia Scott  wrote:
> 
> Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself,
> you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be
> upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.
> 
> Portia.
> 
> On 7/7/16, Portia Scott  wrote:
>> Hey Arnold,
>> 
>> That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.
>> 
>> I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.
>> 
>> Portia.
>> 
>> On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>>> It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4
>>> gig
>>> of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want
>>> about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.
>>> 
>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>> 
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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Scott Granados]

Makes no difference at all what you replace the existing drive with as long as 
it has the correct interface.  Apple, at least in all the units I’ve popped 
open uses a standard spec drive interface with a normal pin out.  I believe 
it’s all SATA.  Just buy an SSD with the same interface and you’re good to go.  
I like Crucial drives which are Mikron produced and very very high quality.  
Also a fraction of the cost of Apple with better read and write performance.  
Fusion is another option but I wouldn’t bother.  SSD’s performance is so good I 
don’t see the point of hybrids.

I have a client who has 4.5 petabytes of SSD storage in a filer and uses it to 
produce popular films including a series with a certain talking Donkey and the 
performance and reliability is just unsurpassed.  It was actually the profits 
from Shrek that funded the purchase of the filer.

If you’re doing any sort of recording or video editing, forget anything with 
rotating media, it’s just to slow and you’ll be fighting with it.  The filer I 
speak of I personally saw handle thousands of clients all rendering and 
editing.  Most clients were connected at 10G or greater and all that continued 
access and hammering would have leveled anything with rotating media.  Speeds 
are 45 times faster with a good SSD over anything that rotates.  Even fusion 
drives with whopper sized caches.
While you may not have a billion dollars for a drive array, you would 
get a huge boost in your home applications by migrating to SSD and it’s cheap, 
$300 or so for a TB.

Good luck


> On Jul 8, 2016, at 6:40 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
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> Does anyone know in a late 2012 mac mini, if those things would be able to 
> support either an SSD drive, or a Fusion Drive instead of it's stocked 
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>> - Original Message -
>> From: Simon Fogarty <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 6:06 AM
>> Subject: RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
>> 
>> Hi Arnold,
>> 
>> That price in kiwi dollars is bloody good.
>> 
>> As for the 4 gig ram, in the 2011 mac mini it’s really easy to change ram 
>> and you should be able to put 16 gig in to that model of mini.
>> 
>> I had a 2010 server that was updated by myself to 16 gb ram, and I did the 
>> same with my current mac mini from 2012.
>> 
>> Shame I’m not using it as much now and looking to sell it.
>> 
>> Good luck with it
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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>>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
>> Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 4:51 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
>> 
>> It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4 gig 
>> of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want 
>> about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt
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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Scott Granados]

Apple doesn’t want you to upgrade at all.  For most products now once you buy 
it your stuck with what you got.  As Simon mentioned there may be an access 
panel on the iMac but for the most part everything is hard soldered to the 
board.

> On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
> 
> Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested in 
> doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer for RAM 
> upgrades. 
>> On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott  wrote:
>> 
>> Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself,
>> you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be
>> upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.
>> 
>> Portia.
>> 
>> On 7/7/16, Portia Scott  wrote:
>>> Hey Arnold,
>>> 
>>> That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.
>>> 
>>> I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.
>>> 
>>> Portia.
>>> 
>>> On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
 It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4
 gig
 of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want
 about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.
 
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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Scott Granados]

Simon, I think it’s even worse now.  I believe in many cases they have replaced 
the screws with hex nuts and or special proprietary fasteners so you need to 
buy the $400 Apple tool to crack the box open.  (or a $17 chinese knockoff tool 
like I bought heh)

Stuff is so packed inside the Apple laptops and iMac, you’re so right there.  I 
had to have a girl with really small hands pop in the memory module because my 
fat fingers couldn’t make it work.


> On Jul 8, 2016, at 10:21 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Enewest mac minis, I don't believe so.
> 
> They have now made the mac mini  a closed unit,
> I gave it a good go getting the base off one in a store near my home and 
> couldn't move it although the store wasn't happy I tried but it was pretty 
> closed up.
> 
> It appears they now want to make it a no go with personal updates of devices, 
> as in you can't update the mac book pros like you use to be able to, or the 
> mac mini like you could before, 
> 
> Imac can still be done '
> The 27 inch has a plate at the back that you can open to take out the ram 
> And if your really keen, you can take the screan off the 21 or 27inch models 
> to remove or change the harddrive.
> 
> I did this myself with a 21 inch 2007  imac and I wont do that again in a 
> hurry,  they are an absolute pig of a system to get into.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 12:03 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
> 
> Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested in 
> doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer for RAM 
> upgrades. 
>> On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott <portia.sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself, 
>> you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be 
>> upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.
>> 
>> Portia.
>> 
>> On 7/7/16, Portia Scott <portia.sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hey Arnold,
>>> 
>>> That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.
>>> 
>>> I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.
>>> 
>>> Portia.
>>> 
>>> On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt <arno...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>> It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 
>>>> 4 gig of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  
>>>> They want about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.
>>>> 
>>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>>> 
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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Scott Granados]

Arnold, very good question.

You probably your self don’t have the tools any more to work on Apple hardware. 
 They wave solder the hardware right to the boards now so where you used to 
have memory slots and removable drives you now just have a PC board with 
everything hard wired.  You can however take it to an Apple repair tech and 
they can handle replacing parts.  You’ll probably pay more because they will 
have to replace a full board instead of just a component.  More importantly, 
you’ll have to pay the Apple prices for upgrades and have to pay them up front 
instead of upgrade the machine later.  Older Apple products do not have this 
restriction.  For an example, I upgraded a 2011 Macbook Pro with 32 GB of RAM 
(something Apple won’t even offer) and a TB, faster SSD disk for about $450 
total instead of over 2000 if Apple provided the parts.  Apple will only sell 
you 16GB as well and the SSD they use is a bit slower.

It’s all about the Benjamins baby.  (as the song says)

One good thing though about the design, there’s a lot fewer things to break.  A 
memory module or CPU will probably not fail.  The most likely thing in the box 
to fail is the fan or the power supply.  An apple tech or of course Apple 
themselves will service your machine just fine though.

Also, in many cities, Boston being one, you can call a service and they come to 
you and do the work.  My coworker broke his iPhone screen and a guy showed up 
in a company smart car and did a screen replacement for him right on the cafe 
table down stairs in our lobby.  Great service, decent price point and 
convenient as all get out. They service Apple laptops and Desktops the same way.

Good luck


Closed just means you pay the Apple money and can’t provide your own parts.  
(easily)

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 12:29 AM, Arnold Schmidt <arno...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> 
> When you say closed unit, does that mean that one has to take it to the Apple 
> store for repairs, or is it closed even to them?  I would hate to know I 
> would have to throw the whole thing away just because a memory chip went bad.
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> - Original Message - From: "Simon Fogarty" <si...@blinky-net.com>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 10:21 PM
> Subject: RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
> 
> 
> Enewest mac minis, I don't believe so.
> 
> They have now made the mac mini  a closed unit,
> I gave it a good go getting the base off one in a store near my home and 
> couldn't move it although the store wasn't happy I tried but it was pretty 
> closed up.
> 
> It appears they now want to make it a no go with personal updates of devices, 
> as in you can't update the mac book pros like you use to be able to, or the 
> mac mini like you could before,
> 
> Imac can still be done '
> The 27 inch has a plate at the back that you can open to take out the ram
> And if your really keen, you can take the screan off the 21 or 27inch models 
> to remove or change the harddrive.
> 
> I did this myself with a 21 inch 2007  imac and I wont do that again in a 
> hurry,  they are an absolute pig of a system to get into.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 12:03 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
> 
> Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested in 
> doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer for RAM 
> upgrades.
>> On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott <portia.sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself,
>> you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be
>> upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.
>> 
>> Portia.
>> 
>> On 7/7/16, Portia Scott <portia.sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hey Arnold,
>>> 
>>> That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.
>>> 
>>> I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.
>>> 
>>> Portia.
>>> 
>>> On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt <arno...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>> It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only
>>>> 4 gig of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.
>>>> They want about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.
>>>> 
>>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>>> 
>>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>>> 
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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Scott Granados]

Totally bogus statement.

Apple has things as a closed system as a pure money making move only.  It has 
nothing to do with liability, consumer ability or anything imaginary like that.

Apple sells memory upgrades for $1000, this same upgrade costs $150 from 
Crucial or it did when I did the work myself.  This is a huge money center for 
our favorite fruit manufacturer.  Same with the SSD.  For a 1 TB SSD they 
charge a grand premium, you can buy the same size drive that performs better 
and has a faster write rate than the Apple offering for $300.  By requiring a 
wave soldering machine to replace parts you put the ability of replacing the 
hardware outside the abilities of most people because they don’t have a 7 
figure soldering machine.  So you are forced to buy the Apple offering and 
forced to pay their prices even though there are better, far less expensive 
options.
Cisco Systems does this very same thing with their memory modules.

I happen to have access to a wave soldering machine so I can remove parts from 
PC (perforated circuit) boards the same way Apple does it.  But again these are 
7 figure devices usually used in manufacturing.  I bet there are consumer 
options available just like you can by a consumer 3D printer or milling machine 
but still big $$$.

So to put it simply, Apple has you by the short and curly’s.


> On Jul 9, 2016, at 5:14 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> No no.  Apple could definitely fix the unit.
> 
> They just don't want consumers doing it themselves, as it could void the 
> warranty, and plus, if you don't know what you're doing... generally, it's 
> quite easy, but they close the units like that more as a liability thing.
> 
> And besides, the odds that the memory chip would go bad like that are 
> incredibly slim.  I didn't say it's impossible, I'll grant you that, but I've 
> had the same mac system as one of the units I use since April of 2011, and 
> that thing hasn't even remotely came close! to biting the dust.  Most mac 
> computers hold up really really well!
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
> 
> clgillan...@gmail.com
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "Arnold Schmidt" <arno...@mindspring.com>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 12:29 AM
> Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
> 
> 
> When you say closed unit, does that mean that one has to take it to the
> Apple store for repairs, or is it closed even to them?  I would hate to know
> I would have to throw the whole thing away just because a memory chip went
> bad.
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> - Original Message - From: "Simon Fogarty" <si...@blinky-net.com>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 10:21 PM
> Subject: RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
> 
> 
> Enewest mac minis, I don't believe so.
> 
> They have now made the mac mini  a closed unit,
> I gave it a good go getting the base off one in a store near my home and
> couldn't move it although the store wasn't happy I tried but it was pretty
> closed up.
> 
> It appears they now want to make it a no go with personal updates of
> devices, as in you can't update the mac book pros like you use to be able
> to, or the mac mini like you could before,
> 
> Imac can still be done '
> The 27 inch has a plate at the back that you can open to take out the ram
> And if your really keen, you can take the screan off the 21 or 27inch models
> to remove or change the harddrive.
> 
> I did this myself with a 21 inch 2007  imac and I wont do that again in a
> hurry,  they are an absolute pig of a system to get into.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 12:03 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
> 
> Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested in
> doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer for RAM
> upgrades.
>> On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott <portia.sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself,
>> you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be
>> upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.
>> 
>> Portia.
>> 
>> On 7/7/16, Portia Scott <portia.sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hey Arnold,
>>> 
>>> That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.
>>> 
>>> I honestly think it would be

Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Brent Harding]

As far as repairs go, some states may only have 2 Apple Stores. At least, 
that is how it is in Wisconsin, so I'd have to take my chances with the 
local type of places, think one is called iSupply, that claims to be able to 
even fix broken iPhones. As far as things going out, I'd say that on most 
computers, it would probably be either the hard drive, fans, or the power 
supply before the memory would ever be a problem. I'm far enough from either 
of them that an estimate from Uber would put me in the new iPhone range, if 
you counted round trip, and if those little towns didn't have Uber, it would 
probably be taxiing it back.


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From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" <clgillan...@gmail.com>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 4:14 AM
Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini


No no.  Apple could definitely fix the unit.

They just don't want consumers doing it themselves, as it could void the
warranty, and plus, if you don't know what you're doing... generally, it's
quite easy, but they close the units like that more as a liability thing.

And besides, the odds that the memory chip would go bad like that are
incredibly slim.  I didn't say it's impossible, I'll grant you that, but
I've had the same mac system as one of the units I use since April of 2011,
and that thing hasn't even remotely came close! to biting the dust.  Most
mac computers hold up really really well!
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - 
From: "Arnold Schmidt" <arno...@mindspring.com>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 12:29 AM
Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini


When you say closed unit, does that mean that one has to take it to the
Apple store for repairs, or is it closed even to them?  I would hate to know
I would have to throw the whole thing away just because a memory chip went
bad.

Arnold Schmidt
- Original Message - 
From: "Simon Fogarty" <si...@blinky-net.com>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 10:21 PM
Subject: RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini


Enewest mac minis, I don't believe so.

They have now made the mac mini  a closed unit,
I gave it a good go getting the base off one in a store near my home and
couldn't move it although the store wasn't happy I tried but it was pretty
closed up.

It appears they now want to make it a no go with personal updates of
devices, as in you can't update the mac book pros like you use to be able
to, or the mac mini like you could before,

Imac can still be done '
The 27 inch has a plate at the back that you can open to take out the ram
And if your really keen, you can take the screan off the 21 or 27inch models
to remove or change the harddrive.

I did this myself with a 21 inch 2007  imac and I wont do that again in a
hurry,  they are an absolute pig of a system to get into.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 12:03 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested in
doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer for RAM
upgrades.

On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott <portia.sc...@gmail.com> wrote:

Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself,
you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be
upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.

Portia.

On 7/7/16, Portia Scott <portia.sc...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey Arnold,

That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.

I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.

Portia.

On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt <arno...@mindspring.com> wrote:

It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only
4 gig of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.
They want about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.

Arnold Schmidt

Arnold Schmidt

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RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Simon Fogarty]

No you take it to an apple tech to get it repairded.

 Yes they have everything solded to the main board to save space therefore you 
have to get it looked at for repairs 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 4:30 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

When you say closed unit, does that mean that one has to take it to the Apple 
store for repairs, or is it closed even to them?  I would hate to know I would 
have to throw the whole thing away just because a memory chip went bad.

Arnold Schmidt
- Original Message -
From: "Simon Fogarty" <si...@blinky-net.com>
To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 10:21 PM
Subject: RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini


Enewest mac minis, I don't believe so.

 They have now made the mac mini  a closed unit,
 I gave it a good go getting the base off one in a store near my home and 
couldn't move it although the store wasn't happy I tried but it was pretty 
closed up.

 It appears they now want to make it a no go with personal updates of 
devices, as in you can't update the mac book pros like you use to be able 
to, or the mac mini like you could before,

 Imac can still be done '
 The 27 inch has a plate at the back that you can open to take out the ram
And if your really keen, you can take the screan off the 21 or 27inch models 
to remove or change the harddrive.

 I did this myself with a 21 inch 2007  imac and I wont do that again in a 
hurry,  they are an absolute pig of a system to get into.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 12:03 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested in 
doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer for RAM 
upgrades.
> On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott <portia.sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself,
> you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be
> upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.
>
> Portia.
>
> On 7/7/16, Portia Scott <portia.sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hey Arnold,
>>
>> That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.
>>
>> I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.
>>
>> Portia.
>>
>> On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt <arno...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>> It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only
>>> 4 gig of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.
>>> They want about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.
>>>
>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>>
>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>>
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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

No no.  Apple could definitely fix the unit.

They just don't want consumers doing it themselves, as it could void the 
warranty, and plus, if you don't know what you're doing... generally, it's 
quite easy, but they close the units like that more as a liability thing.


And besides, the odds that the memory chip would go bad like that are 
incredibly slim.  I didn't say it's impossible, I'll grant you that, but 
I've had the same mac system as one of the units I use since April of 2011, 
and that thing hasn't even remotely came close! to biting the dust.  Most 
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From: "Arnold Schmidt" <arno...@mindspring.com>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 12:29 AM
Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini


When you say closed unit, does that mean that one has to take it to the
Apple store for repairs, or is it closed even to them?  I would hate to know
I would have to throw the whole thing away just because a memory chip went
bad.

Arnold Schmidt
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From: "Simon Fogarty" <si...@blinky-net.com>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 10:21 PM
Subject: RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini


Enewest mac minis, I don't believe so.

They have now made the mac mini  a closed unit,
I gave it a good go getting the base off one in a store near my home and
couldn't move it although the store wasn't happy I tried but it was pretty
closed up.

It appears they now want to make it a no go with personal updates of
devices, as in you can't update the mac book pros like you use to be able
to, or the mac mini like you could before,

Imac can still be done '
The 27 inch has a plate at the back that you can open to take out the ram
And if your really keen, you can take the screan off the 21 or 27inch models
to remove or change the harddrive.

I did this myself with a 21 inch 2007  imac and I wont do that again in a
hurry,  they are an absolute pig of a system to get into.

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 12:03 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested in
doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer for RAM
upgrades.

On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott <portia.sc...@gmail.com> wrote:

Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself,
you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be
upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.

Portia.

On 7/7/16, Portia Scott <portia.sc...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey Arnold,

That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.

I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.

Portia.

On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt <arno...@mindspring.com> wrote:

It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only
4 gig of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.
They want about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.

Arnold Schmidt

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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Arnold Schmidt]

When you say closed unit, does that mean that one has to take it to the 
Apple store for repairs, or is it closed even to them?  I would hate to know 
I would have to throw the whole thing away just because a memory chip went 
bad.


Arnold Schmidt
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To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 10:21 PM
Subject: RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini


Enewest mac minis, I don't believe so.

They have now made the mac mini  a closed unit,
I gave it a good go getting the base off one in a store near my home and 
couldn't move it although the store wasn't happy I tried but it was pretty 
closed up.


It appears they now want to make it a no go with personal updates of 
devices, as in you can't update the mac book pros like you use to be able 
to, or the mac mini like you could before,


Imac can still be done '
The 27 inch has a plate at the back that you can open to take out the ram
And if your really keen, you can take the screan off the 21 or 27inch models 
to remove or change the harddrive.


I did this myself with a 21 inch 2007  imac and I wont do that again in a 
hurry,  they are an absolute pig of a system to get into.


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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain

Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 12:03 AM
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Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested in 
doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer for RAM 
upgrades.

On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott <portia.sc...@gmail.com> wrote:

Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself,
you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be
upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.

Portia.

On 7/7/16, Portia Scott <portia.sc...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey Arnold,

That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.

I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.

Portia.

On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt <arno...@mindspring.com> wrote:

It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only
4 gig of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.
They want about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.

Arnold Schmidt

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RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Simon Fogarty]

Enewest mac minis, I don't believe so.

 They have now made the mac mini  a closed unit,
 I gave it a good go getting the base off one in a store near my home and 
couldn't move it although the store wasn't happy I tried but it was pretty 
closed up.

 It appears they now want to make it a no go with personal updates of devices, 
as in you can't update the mac book pros like you use to be able to, or the mac 
mini like you could before, 

 Imac can still be done '
 The 27 inch has a plate at the back that you can open to take out the ram 
And if your really keen, you can take the screan off the 21 or 27inch models to 
remove or change the harddrive.

 I did this myself with a 21 inch 2007  imac and I wont do that again in a 
hurry,  they are an absolute pig of a system to get into.

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Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 12:03 AM
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Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested in 
doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer for RAM 
upgrades. 
> On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott <portia.sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself, 
> you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be 
> upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.
> 
> Portia.
> 
> On 7/7/16, Portia Scott <portia.sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hey Arnold,
>> 
>> That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.
>> 
>> I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.
>> 
>> Portia.
>> 
>> On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt <arno...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>> It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 
>>> 4 gig of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  
>>> They want about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.
>>> 
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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

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No, it is soldered to the circuit board.  One more tactic by apple to 
control their machines and make every aspect of having one apple centric 
only. On Fri, 8 Jul 2016, Saqib Hussain wrote:



Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested in 
doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn?t go to a local retailer for RAM 
upgrades.

On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott  wrote:

Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself,
you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be
upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.

Portia.

On 7/7/16, Portia Scott  wrote:

Hey Arnold,

That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.

I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.

Portia.

On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:

It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4
gig
of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want
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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

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Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested in 
doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer for RAM 
upgrades. 
> On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott  wrote:
> 
> Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself,
> you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be
> upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.
> 
> Portia.
> 
> On 7/7/16, Portia Scott  wrote:
>> Hey Arnold,
>> 
>> That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.
>> 
>> I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.
>> 
>> Portia.
>> 
>> On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>>> It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4
>>> gig
>>> of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want
>>> about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.
>>> 
>>> Arnold Schmidt
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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Yeah, cause Apple told me it wasn't compatible, which I found really odd.

This unit is an I5.  It currently has 8GB ram, and a 500GB platter drive.  I'm 
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  Subject: RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini


  Hi Chris,

   

  Yes to both.

   

  Ssd is an option as is a fusion drive.

   

  I have a late 2012 mac mini with I7 2.6 quad core and 16 gb ram with 1tb 
fusion which I believe has 128 gb ssd with the 1tb platter 

   

  I wasn’t allowed to have it dual drive with 256 gb ssd  as that hikes the 
price up a lot.

  Or at least here in nz.

   

  You can I believe get dual ssd of up to 512 gb drives 

   

  But yes fusion & ssd are available.

   

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  Does anyone know in a late 2012 mac mini, if those things would be able to 
support either an SSD drive, or a Fusion Drive instead of it's stocked platter 
drive?

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 6:06 AM

Subject: RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

 

Hi Arnold,

 

That price in kiwi dollars is bloody good.

 

As for the 4 gig ram, in the 2011 mac mini it’s really easy to change ram 
and you should be able to put 16 gig in to that model of mini.

 

I had a 2010 server that was updated by myself to 16 gb ram, and I did the 
same with my current mac mini from 2012.

 

Shame I’m not using it as much now and looking to sell it.

 

Good luck with it 

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Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 4:51 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

 

It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4 gig 
of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want about 
$430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions. 

 

Arnold Schmidt

 

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Hi Chris,

Yes to both.

Ssd is an option as is a fusion drive.

I have a late 2012 mac mini with I7 2.6 quad core and 16 gb ram with 1tb fusion 
which I believe has 128 gb ssd with the 1tb platter

I wasn’t allowed to have it dual drive with 256 gb ssd  as that hikes the price 
up a lot.
Or at least here in nz.

You can I believe get dual ssd of up to 512 gb drives

But yes fusion & ssd are available.

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Does anyone know in a late 2012 mac mini, if those things would be able to 
support either an SSD drive, or a Fusion Drive instead of it's stocked platter 
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Subject: RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

Hi Arnold,

That price in kiwi dollars is bloody good.

As for the 4 gig ram, in the 2011 mac mini it’s really easy to change ram and 
you should be able to put 16 gig in to that model of mini.

I had a 2010 server that was updated by myself to 16 gb ram, and I did the same 
with my current mac mini from 2012.

Shame I’m not using it as much now and looking to sell it.

Good luck with it
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Subject: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4 gig of 
ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want about 
$430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.

Arnold Schmidt

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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

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  Hi Arnold,

   

  That price in kiwi dollars is bloody good.

   

  As for the 4 gig ram, in the 2011 mac mini it’s really easy to change ram and 
you should be able to put 16 gig in to that model of mini.

   

  I had a 2010 server that was updated by myself to 16 gb ram, and I did the 
same with my current mac mini from 2012.

   

  Shame I’m not using it as much now and looking to sell it.

   

  Good luck with it 

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  It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4 gig of 
ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want about 
$430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions. 

   

  Arnold Schmidt

   

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RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Simon Fogarty]

That mac mini if 2011 is up to 16 gig and yes it's just a case of turning it on 
it's back and twisting the base off then finding the ram which isn't difficult 
if you know what it feels like about 2.5 inchs long by an inch wide and as thin 
as  a credit card slid in on a slight angle  one behind the other.

You push the sides outwards for the holder of the ram and it then flicks up 
slightly which you can then grab and remove it.  Easy enough if you've done it, 
interesting learn if you haven't.
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Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself, you can 
upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be upgraded that 
much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.

Portia.

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> Hey Arnold,
>
> That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.
>
> I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.
>
> Portia.
>
> On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt <arno...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 
>> 4 gig of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  
>> They want about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.
>>
>> Arnold Schmidt
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RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Arnold,

That price in kiwi dollars is bloody good.

As for the 4 gig ram, in the 2011 mac mini it’s really easy to change ram and 
you should be able to put 16 gig in to that model of mini.

I had a 2010 server that was updated by myself to 16 gb ram, and I did the same 
with my current mac mini from 2012.

Shame I’m not using it as much now and looking to sell it.

Good luck with it
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It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4 gig of 
ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want about 
$430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.

Arnold Schmidt

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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Portia Scott]

Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself,
you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be
upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.

Portia.

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> Hey Arnold,
>
> That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.
>
> I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.
>
> Portia.
>
> On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>> It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4
>> gig
>> of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want
>> about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.
>>
>> Arnold Schmidt
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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

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Arnold,
   I do not have a mini, and not knowing retail price for a new one, 
but seeing what the 2011 is going for online (slightly lower on Amazon), 
I would say this would make a nice learning machine for you. I think you 
can at least double the memory too.


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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

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Hey Arnold,

That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.

I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.

Portia.

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