Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone
I wasn't saying there is. I was saying I don't see anything wrong with someone putting a suggestion in for an additional customization setting to control this, but differentiating that from putting it out there as a huge issue that just completely violates privacy instead of looking it as manageable with the settings currently available now and further automation could be possible with additional settings options. On 3/4/13, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Hello, > > no. There is no customizable setting to prevent this. > > Ricardo Walker > rica...@appletothecore.info > Twitter:@apple2thecore > www.appletothecore.info > > On Mar 4, 2013, at 5:45 PM, "Moses Choo" wrote: > >> Dear all, >> While you are all on the topic of the caller ID anouncement, I have yet >> something more irritating. Not only does the phone anounce when it >> rings, >> even during the conversation it will also anounce the caller or his >> number. >> Besides muting the speech while we are on the line, is there something >> else >> that we can do? >> >> Regards, >> Moses. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Emrah >> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 5:05 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue >> with VoiceOver on iPhone >> >> Friend, >> >> Thanks for your prompt input. >> The fact is that if you wish VO to speak lower on incoming calls, you >> must >> lower the volume of the ringer alert. >> Otherwise turning down the volume of VO is not extremely practical since >> there are too many cases where you need the volume back at a normal >> level. >> And muting VO every time you are done with it? I don't think the setting >> is >> intended to be used that way. >> >> Did you see the issue where an incoming call triggers VO to speak through >> the speakerphone even with a headset connected? >> >> The fact is that I am not asking for an improvement here, but something >> that >> should have been there at the first place. >> I am far from being over concerned by privacy, but I happen to feel a >> little >> uncomfortable when VO announces the names of people that call me when I >> am >> sitting on a train, in a meeting or basically close to strangers. >> >> Cheers! >> >> On Mar 3, 2013, at 3:38 PM, James Mannion wrote: >> >>> Maybe try turning down the volume when not in use so it will not >>> announce it to any extent that anyone would be able to hear it that >>> you don't want to hear it? Maybe do the 3 finger double tap to mute >>> speech when not in use and then just quickly unmute it with the same >>> command when you want to hear it? In my opinion worrying about this is >>> just an obsession with privacy that will have you always fighting >>> battles to no end in your life, but to each their own I guess and >>> there are ways around it if one care that much. >>> >>> On 3/3/13, Emrah wrote: >>>> Hi list, >>>> >>>> I remember reporting this a while ago to Apple Accessibility. To no >> avail. >>>> VoiceOver users have an unavoidable privacy issue: the automatic >>>> announcement of the caller ID of an incoming call. >>>> It should be possible to make this optional, with the ability to >>>> manually interrogate the screen to know who is calling. >>>> >>>> Moreover, why is it that when we have a headphone connected, the >>>> caller ID is still spoken out loud through the speakerphone? >>>> >>>> What do we have to do for Apple to take this into consideration? A >>>> petition? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>> send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> G
Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone
Hello, no. There is no customizable setting to prevent this. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Mar 4, 2013, at 5:45 PM, "Moses Choo" wrote: > Dear all, > While you are all on the topic of the caller ID anouncement, I have yet > something more irritating. Not only does the phone anounce when it rings, > even during the conversation it will also anounce the caller or his number. > Besides muting the speech while we are on the line, is there something else > that we can do? > > Regards, > Moses. > > > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Emrah > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 5:05 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue > with VoiceOver on iPhone > > Friend, > > Thanks for your prompt input. > The fact is that if you wish VO to speak lower on incoming calls, you must > lower the volume of the ringer alert. > Otherwise turning down the volume of VO is not extremely practical since > there are too many cases where you need the volume back at a normal level. > And muting VO every time you are done with it? I don't think the setting is > intended to be used that way. > > Did you see the issue where an incoming call triggers VO to speak through > the speakerphone even with a headset connected? > > The fact is that I am not asking for an improvement here, but something that > should have been there at the first place. > I am far from being over concerned by privacy, but I happen to feel a little > uncomfortable when VO announces the names of people that call me when I am > sitting on a train, in a meeting or basically close to strangers. > > Cheers! > > On Mar 3, 2013, at 3:38 PM, James Mannion wrote: > >> Maybe try turning down the volume when not in use so it will not >> announce it to any extent that anyone would be able to hear it that >> you don't want to hear it? Maybe do the 3 finger double tap to mute >> speech when not in use and then just quickly unmute it with the same >> command when you want to hear it? In my opinion worrying about this is >> just an obsession with privacy that will have you always fighting >> battles to no end in your life, but to each their own I guess and >> there are ways around it if one care that much. >> >> On 3/3/13, Emrah wrote: >>> Hi list, >>> >>> I remember reporting this a while ago to Apple Accessibility. To no > avail. >>> VoiceOver users have an unavoidable privacy issue: the automatic >>> announcement of the caller ID of an incoming call. >>> It should be possible to make this optional, with the ability to >>> manually interrogate the screen to know who is calling. >>> >>> Moreover, why is it that when we have a headphone connected, the >>> caller ID is still spoken out loud through the speakerphone? >>> >>> What do we have to do for Apple to take this into consideration? A >>> petition? >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>> send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/gr
Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone
I agree and although I don't think there is generally anything wrong with possible customizing options and settings, I think it is a bit much to put this forth as some huge issue of any sort. There are absolutely options to us the controls available to eliminate this speaking if it is such a concern. I tend to agree that it is a bit to the extreme to consider it a huge issue, especially when one can just change a setting to not have it speak at all already or to not have it at megaphone levels. If you don't want the caller ID speaking so loud, does the phone have to ring that loud either? One can adjust the ringer volume accordingly. A 3 fingr double tap is very quick and easy to do. What I really take issue with and where I think peoples' preferences are a bit of a problem is when they are presented as some huge violation deficiency in the product issue. If we throw everything at them as some huge issue at some point everything will be considered the same thing. Just more complaining about everything. I don't know how else to say it. THis just seems like taking something stupid to the extreme without being willing to use what is available to us to manage the use of the device and what it is set to do. It is not practical to expect everything to automate to our ever preference at every second and to consider it unreasonable to just do a double tap with 3 fingers to the screen or to go and, gasp, have to change a setting to fit the current need. On 3/4/13, Sean Paul wrote: > Seriously? > I don't think most sighted people that you come in contact with can even > understand voiceover nor do they even care who is calling you. Again, at > least we have the ability to have caller ID unlike when cell phones first > came out. What if you have a home phone line & a talking caller ID box > hooked up to it & someone is over at your house visiting is it any real big > > deal if they hear it? Are you going to go cut it off because you're afraid > that they may hear it & have some sort of issue with who's calling you? I > dare say those things are much easier to understand than any voiceover is... > > I certainly don't think so. What is a big deal to me is that we have the > ability to have caller id, text messaging capabilities, web browsing, email, > > etc on our mobile devices which puts us at least on a somewhat level playing > > field with our sighted piers. I'd bet if you asked most sighted folks they > wouldn't even care if someone saw their caller id... Probably wouldn't have > > an issue if it were flashed up on some bilboard somewhere. I think there are > > much bigger fish to fry in the accessibility world than this one. Again, > just be thankful that Apple cared enough about those of us who are visually > > impaired to give us something like voiceover. Just one man's opinion & yes, > > sometimes I do get paid for it. > - Original Message ----- > From: "Emrah" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 09:32 > Subject: Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue > with VoiceOver on iPhone > > > Hi, > > How exactly do you think you are being constructive here? > > On the same register as your message, don't you think sighted people would > have an issue if their caller ID were flashed on a billboard for everyone to > > see every time they get a call? > > It goes without saying that it is great we have access to caller ID. What is > > not so great is that it is announced out loud automatically for every one in > > your immediate surroundings to hear. > > I know that blind people sometimes have a hard time acknowledging the > presence of other people who can see and hear. I like using my phone in a > rather discrete fashion with a Bluetooth earpiece. I personally find it > annoying that incoming calls make Samantha irrupt through my speakerphone > and freak out the fellow traveller who is sitting right across from me. :) I > > don't quite like being the subject of other's curiosity. They suddenly have > > to acknowledge that there is a blind guy in the house. > > I am happy for you if you don't consider it to be an issue. I guess it > depends on a multitude of settings and appreciate your opinion. > > However, I still believe I have a valid point here. There is no reason for > us to broadcast the name and number of people who are calling us. > > Cheers > > E > > On Mar 4, 2013, at 6:05 AM, Sean Paul wrote: > >> So, would you complain if it wasn't spoken at all? I'd bet you would. >> Isn't it a good thing that we get caller ID at all? I mean? Seriously? >> - Original Message - From: "Ricardo Walker" >> >> T
RE: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone
Dear all, While you are all on the topic of the caller ID anouncement, I have yet something more irritating. Not only does the phone anounce when it rings, even during the conversation it will also anounce the caller or his number. Besides muting the speech while we are on the line, is there something else that we can do? Regards, Moses. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Emrah Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 5:05 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone Friend, Thanks for your prompt input. The fact is that if you wish VO to speak lower on incoming calls, you must lower the volume of the ringer alert. Otherwise turning down the volume of VO is not extremely practical since there are too many cases where you need the volume back at a normal level. And muting VO every time you are done with it? I don't think the setting is intended to be used that way. Did you see the issue where an incoming call triggers VO to speak through the speakerphone even with a headset connected? The fact is that I am not asking for an improvement here, but something that should have been there at the first place. I am far from being over concerned by privacy, but I happen to feel a little uncomfortable when VO announces the names of people that call me when I am sitting on a train, in a meeting or basically close to strangers. Cheers! On Mar 3, 2013, at 3:38 PM, James Mannion wrote: > Maybe try turning down the volume when not in use so it will not > announce it to any extent that anyone would be able to hear it that > you don't want to hear it? Maybe do the 3 finger double tap to mute > speech when not in use and then just quickly unmute it with the same > command when you want to hear it? In my opinion worrying about this is > just an obsession with privacy that will have you always fighting > battles to no end in your life, but to each their own I guess and > there are ways around it if one care that much. > > On 3/3/13, Emrah wrote: >> Hi list, >> >> I remember reporting this a while ago to Apple Accessibility. To no avail. >> VoiceOver users have an unavoidable privacy issue: the automatic >> announcement of the caller ID of an incoming call. >> It should be possible to make this optional, with the ability to >> manually interrogate the screen to know who is calling. >> >> Moreover, why is it that when we have a headphone connected, the >> caller ID is still spoken out loud through the speakerphone? >> >> What do we have to do for Apple to take this into consideration? A >> petition? >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone
Seriously? I don't think most sighted people that you come in contact with can even understand voiceover nor do they even care who is calling you. Again, at least we have the ability to have caller ID unlike when cell phones first came out. What if you have a home phone line & a talking caller ID box hooked up to it & someone is over at your house visiting is it any real big deal if they hear it? Are you going to go cut it off because you're afraid that they may hear it & have some sort of issue with who's calling you? I dare say those things are much easier to understand than any voiceover is... I certainly don't think so. What is a big deal to me is that we have the ability to have caller id, text messaging capabilities, web browsing, email, etc on our mobile devices which puts us at least on a somewhat level playing field with our sighted piers. I'd bet if you asked most sighted folks they wouldn't even care if someone saw their caller id... Probably wouldn't have an issue if it were flashed up on some bilboard somewhere. I think there are much bigger fish to fry in the accessibility world than this one. Again, just be thankful that Apple cared enough about those of us who are visually impaired to give us something like voiceover. Just one man's opinion & yes, sometimes I do get paid for it. - Original Message - From: "Emrah" To: Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 09:32 Subject: Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone Hi, How exactly do you think you are being constructive here? On the same register as your message, don't you think sighted people would have an issue if their caller ID were flashed on a billboard for everyone to see every time they get a call? It goes without saying that it is great we have access to caller ID. What is not so great is that it is announced out loud automatically for every one in your immediate surroundings to hear. I know that blind people sometimes have a hard time acknowledging the presence of other people who can see and hear. I like using my phone in a rather discrete fashion with a Bluetooth earpiece. I personally find it annoying that incoming calls make Samantha irrupt through my speakerphone and freak out the fellow traveller who is sitting right across from me. :) I don't quite like being the subject of other's curiosity. They suddenly have to acknowledge that there is a blind guy in the house. I am happy for you if you don't consider it to be an issue. I guess it depends on a multitude of settings and appreciate your opinion. However, I still believe I have a valid point here. There is no reason for us to broadcast the name and number of people who are calling us. Cheers E On Mar 4, 2013, at 6:05 AM, Sean Paul wrote: So, would you complain if it wasn't spoken at all? I'd bet you would. Isn't it a good thing that we get caller ID at all? I mean? Seriously? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ricardo Walker" To: Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 15:54 Subject: Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone Hi, Not to sound discouraging but, I honestly don't know how many really share this concern. I'm not so sure it's unavoidable either. One could mute speech with a 3 finger double tap when not in use or, turn Voiceover off all together with a 3 triple press of home, and turn either back on when receiving an incoming call or, just want access to the phone. You could even turn down the volume of voiceover so it would be hard to hear if not holding the device in your hand. But I must say, of all bugs I want fixed, or features I want to see added, This wouldn't even make my top 10. But, who knows? I might be in the minority on this topic. Hopefully your message will urge others with the same concerns to contact Apple about it. JMO., Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Mar 3, 2013, at 3:28 PM, Emrah wrote: Hi list, I remember reporting this a while ago to Apple Accessibility… To no avail. VoiceOver users have an unavoidable privacy issue: the automatic announcement of the caller ID of an incoming call. It should be possible to make this optional, with the ability to manually interrogate the screen to know who is calling. Moreover, why is it that when we have a headphone connected, the caller ID is still spoken out loud through the speakerphone? What do we have to do for Apple to take this into consideration? A petition? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send ema
Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone
Wouldn't Do not Disturb turn everything else off accept for when someone was calling? Or you could flip up the Mute switch. Kawal. On 4 Mar 2013, at 02:36 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Hi, > > if your in a important meeting, wouldn't you want everything off? Not just > called ID announcement? > > Ricardo Walker > rica...@appletothecore.info > Twitter:@apple2thecore > www.appletothecore.info > > On Mar 3, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: > >> I like Caller ID, I.E. someone being announced although I wish it didn't do >> it on loud speaker when the I phone headset was plugged in. However, I'd >> like the choice of having the announcement muted especially if you were in >> an important meeting as others have stated. >> >> Kawal. >> On 3 Mar 2013, at 23:41, James Mannion wrote: >> >>> Personal preferences it sounds like. Some of us wouldn't find it a big >>> deal to mute VO when locking the phone in a situation where it could >>> ring where we were so concerned about someone knowing who is calling. >>> As was mentioned, I don't think many of us really share this concern. >>> Personally I don't care about it much if at some random time somebody >>> knows by what something said who was calling me. I don't think the >>> information makes enough of a connection in their life to even >>> acknowledge it. Others like yourself do look at it differently though. >>> Maybe they will put in a setting some day, but until then there are >>> controls you can use to manage the situation. No, it is not 100% >>> automated, but not difficult to manage. It seems to me that expecting >>> 100% automation to manage every situation causes more stress than to >>> just use the controls provided to effectively manage it. >>> >>> On 3/3/13, Chris Gilland wrote: You wrote: Moreover, why is it that when we have a headphone connected, the caller ID is still spoken out loud through the speakerphone? Ouch! I didn't realize it did that, but then, I hardly ever use a headset. Is this also an issue with bluetooth headsets, or only with wired. Chris. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone
Hello, Although I don't find the option to turn off the announcement of caller ID of high priority, I do realize that some might. Sure, having caller ID announced is good, but I don't look at it like Apple has done us a great favor by adding it, and those who think it can be implemented better should just shut up and be content. I mean, nothing would ever get better if we all had such an outlook on things. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Mar 4, 2013, at 6:05 AM, Sean Paul wrote: > So, would you complain if it wasn't spoken at all? I'd bet you would. Isn't > it a good thing that we get caller ID at all? I mean? Seriously? > - Original Message - From: "Ricardo Walker" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 15:54 > Subject: Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue > with VoiceOver on iPhone > > > Hi, > > Not to sound discouraging but, I honestly don't know how many really share > this concern. I'm not so sure it's unavoidable either. One could mute > speech with a 3 finger double tap when not in use or, turn Voiceover off all > together with a 3 triple press of home, and turn either back on when > receiving an incoming call or, just want access to the phone. You could even > turn down the volume of voiceover so it would be hard to hear if not holding > the device in your hand. But I must say, of all bugs I want fixed, or > features I want to see added, This wouldn't even make my top 10. > > But, who knows? I might be in the minority on this topic. Hopefully your > message will urge others with the same concerns to contact Apple about it. > > JMO., > > Ricardo Walker > rica...@appletothecore.info > Twitter:@apple2thecore > www.appletothecore.info > > On Mar 3, 2013, at 3:28 PM, Emrah wrote: > >> Hi list, >> >> I remember reporting this a while ago to Apple Accessibility… To no avail. >> VoiceOver users have an unavoidable privacy issue: the automatic >> announcement of the caller ID of an incoming call. >> It should be possible to make this optional, with the ability to manually >> interrogate the screen to know who is calling. >> >> Moreover, why is it that when we have a headphone connected, the caller ID >> is still spoken out loud through the speakerphone? >> >> What do we have to do for Apple to take this into consideration? A petition? >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2641/6146 - Release Date: 03/03/13 > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone
Hi, if your in a important meeting, wouldn't you want everything off? Not just called ID announcement? Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Mar 3, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: > I like Caller ID, I.E. someone being announced although I wish it didn't do > it on loud speaker when the I phone headset was plugged in. However, I'd > like the choice of having the announcement muted especially if you were in an > important meeting as others have stated. > > Kawal. > On 3 Mar 2013, at 23:41, James Mannion wrote: > >> Personal preferences it sounds like. Some of us wouldn't find it a big >> deal to mute VO when locking the phone in a situation where it could >> ring where we were so concerned about someone knowing who is calling. >> As was mentioned, I don't think many of us really share this concern. >> Personally I don't care about it much if at some random time somebody >> knows by what something said who was calling me. I don't think the >> information makes enough of a connection in their life to even >> acknowledge it. Others like yourself do look at it differently though. >> Maybe they will put in a setting some day, but until then there are >> controls you can use to manage the situation. No, it is not 100% >> automated, but not difficult to manage. It seems to me that expecting >> 100% automation to manage every situation causes more stress than to >> just use the controls provided to effectively manage it. >> >> On 3/3/13, Chris Gilland wrote: >>> You wrote: >>> >>> Moreover, why is it that when we have a headphone connected, the caller ID >>> is still spoken out loud through the speakerphone? >>> >>> Ouch! I didn't realize it did that, but then, I hardly ever use a headset. >>> Is this also an issue with bluetooth headsets, or only with wired. >>> >>> Chris. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone
Hi, How exactly do you think you are being constructive here? On the same register as your message, don't you think sighted people would have an issue if their caller ID were flashed on a billboard for everyone to see every time they get a call? It goes without saying that it is great we have access to caller ID. What is not so great is that it is announced out loud automatically for every one in your immediate surroundings to hear. I know that blind people sometimes have a hard time acknowledging the presence of other people who can see and hear. I like using my phone in a rather discrete fashion with a Bluetooth earpiece. I personally find it annoying that incoming calls make Samantha irrupt through my speakerphone and freak out the fellow traveller who is sitting right across from me. :) I don't quite like being the subject of other's curiosity. They suddenly have to acknowledge that there is a blind guy in the house. I am happy for you if you don't consider it to be an issue. I guess it depends on a multitude of settings and appreciate your opinion. However, I still believe I have a valid point here. There is no reason for us to broadcast the name and number of people who are calling us. Cheers E On Mar 4, 2013, at 6:05 AM, Sean Paul wrote: > So, would you complain if it wasn't spoken at all? I'd bet you would. Isn't > it a good thing that we get caller ID at all? I mean? Seriously? > - Original Message - From: "Ricardo Walker" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 15:54 > Subject: Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue > with VoiceOver on iPhone > > > Hi, > > Not to sound discouraging but, I honestly don't know how many really share > this concern. I'm not so sure it's unavoidable either. One could mute > speech with a 3 finger double tap when not in use or, turn Voiceover off all > together with a 3 triple press of home, and turn either back on when > receiving an incoming call or, just want access to the phone. You could even > turn down the volume of voiceover so it would be hard to hear if not holding > the device in your hand. But I must say, of all bugs I want fixed, or > features I want to see added, This wouldn't even make my top 10. > > But, who knows? I might be in the minority on this topic. Hopefully your > message will urge others with the same concerns to contact Apple about it. > > JMO., > > Ricardo Walker > rica...@appletothecore.info > Twitter:@apple2thecore > www.appletothecore.info > > On Mar 3, 2013, at 3:28 PM, Emrah wrote: > >> Hi list, >> >> I remember reporting this a while ago to Apple Accessibility… To no avail. >> VoiceOver users have an unavoidable privacy issue: the automatic >> announcement of the caller ID of an incoming call. >> It should be possible to make this optional, with the ability to manually >> interrogate the screen to know who is calling. >> >> Moreover, why is it that when we have a headphone connected, the caller ID >> is still spoken out loud through the speakerphone? >> >> What do we have to do for Apple to take this into consideration? A petition? >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2641/6146 - Release Date: 03/03/13 > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http
Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone
So, would you complain if it wasn't spoken at all? I'd bet you would. Isn't it a good thing that we get caller ID at all? I mean? Seriously? - Original Message - From: "Ricardo Walker" To: Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 15:54 Subject: Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone Hi, Not to sound discouraging but, I honestly don't know how many really share this concern. I'm not so sure it's unavoidable either. One could mute speech with a 3 finger double tap when not in use or, turn Voiceover off all together with a 3 triple press of home, and turn either back on when receiving an incoming call or, just want access to the phone. You could even turn down the volume of voiceover so it would be hard to hear if not holding the device in your hand. But I must say, of all bugs I want fixed, or features I want to see added, This wouldn't even make my top 10. But, who knows? I might be in the minority on this topic. Hopefully your message will urge others with the same concerns to contact Apple about it. JMO., Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Mar 3, 2013, at 3:28 PM, Emrah wrote: Hi list, I remember reporting this a while ago to Apple Accessibility… To no avail. VoiceOver users have an unavoidable privacy issue: the automatic announcement of the caller ID of an incoming call. It should be possible to make this optional, with the ability to manually interrogate the screen to know who is calling. Moreover, why is it that when we have a headphone connected, the caller ID is still spoken out loud through the speakerphone? What do we have to do for Apple to take this into consideration? A petition? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2641/6146 - Release Date: 03/03/13 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone
There is a way around anything being announced when in a meeting and such. It is the do not disturb feature. It is in the top level of the menus. I guess unless one for some reason wants it to ring out loud in the meeting, but not announce who it is. I guess then you might be harder pressed for a solution. On 3/3/13, John Panarese wrote: > I have to agree. I have been in many situations in which sighted people > had no idea what VoiceOver was saying because the announcement also comes > with the ring tone. > > So they stopped calling you, Rich. I guess that's why they have been > calling me of late . > > > Take Care > > John D. Panarese > Director > Mac for the Blind > Tel, (631) 724-4479 > Email, j...@macfortheblind.com > Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com > > APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION > > AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE > > MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > > > > On Mar 3, 2013, at 7:08 PM, Richard Ring wrote: > >> The reason this particular issue doesn't concern me overly much is this. >> Most people who aren't used to the iPhone speech won't understand the >> number anyway. And, besides, I no longer receive covert calls from CIA >> operatives, so I believe my information is relatively safe. >> >> >> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of >> Fielding >> Sent from my Mac Book Pro >> richr...@gmail.com >> >> On Mar 3, 2013, at 5:56 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: >> >>> I like Caller ID, I.E. someone being announced although I wish it didn't >>> do it on loud speaker when the I phone headset was plugged in. However, >>> I'd like the choice of having the announcement muted especially if you >>> were in an important meeting as others have stated. >>> >>> Kawal. >>> On 3 Mar 2013, at 23:41, James Mannion wrote: >>> Personal preferences it sounds like. Some of us wouldn't find it a big deal to mute VO when locking the phone in a situation where it could ring where we were so concerned about someone knowing who is calling. As was mentioned, I don't think many of us really share this concern. Personally I don't care about it much if at some random time somebody knows by what something said who was calling me. I don't think the information makes enough of a connection in their life to even acknowledge it. Others like yourself do look at it differently though. Maybe they will put in a setting some day, but until then there are controls you can use to manage the situation. No, it is not 100% automated, but not difficult to manage. It seems to me that expecting 100% automation to manage every situation causes more stress than to just use the controls provided to effectively manage it. On 3/3/13, Chris Gilland wrote: > You wrote: > > Moreover, why is it that when we have a headphone connected, the caller > ID > is still spoken out loud through the speakerphone? > > Ouch! I didn't realize it did that, but then, I hardly ever use a > headset. > Is this also an issue with bluetooth headsets, or only with wired. > > Chris. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@goo
Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone
I have to agree. I have been in many situations in which sighted people had no idea what VoiceOver was saying because the announcement also comes with the ring tone. So they stopped calling you, Rich. I guess that's why they have been calling me of late . Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Mar 3, 2013, at 7:08 PM, Richard Ring wrote: > The reason this particular issue doesn't concern me overly much is this. Most > people who aren't used to the iPhone speech won't understand the number > anyway. And, besides, I no longer receive covert calls from CIA operatives, > so I believe my information is relatively safe. > > > You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding > Sent from my Mac Book Pro > richr...@gmail.com > > On Mar 3, 2013, at 5:56 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: > >> I like Caller ID, I.E. someone being announced although I wish it didn't do >> it on loud speaker when the I phone headset was plugged in. However, I'd >> like the choice of having the announcement muted especially if you were in >> an important meeting as others have stated. >> >> Kawal. >> On 3 Mar 2013, at 23:41, James Mannion wrote: >> >>> Personal preferences it sounds like. Some of us wouldn't find it a big >>> deal to mute VO when locking the phone in a situation where it could >>> ring where we were so concerned about someone knowing who is calling. >>> As was mentioned, I don't think many of us really share this concern. >>> Personally I don't care about it much if at some random time somebody >>> knows by what something said who was calling me. I don't think the >>> information makes enough of a connection in their life to even >>> acknowledge it. Others like yourself do look at it differently though. >>> Maybe they will put in a setting some day, but until then there are >>> controls you can use to manage the situation. No, it is not 100% >>> automated, but not difficult to manage. It seems to me that expecting >>> 100% automation to manage every situation causes more stress than to >>> just use the controls provided to effectively manage it. >>> >>> On 3/3/13, Chris Gilland wrote: You wrote: Moreover, why is it that when we have a headphone connected, the caller ID is still spoken out loud through the speakerphone? Ouch! I didn't realize it did that, but then, I hardly ever use a headset. Is this also an issue with bluetooth headsets, or only with wired. Chris. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.co
Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone
The reason this particular issue doesn't concern me overly much is this. Most people who aren't used to the iPhone speech won't understand the number anyway. And, besides, I no longer receive covert calls from CIA operatives, so I believe my information is relatively safe. You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding Sent from my Mac Book Pro richr...@gmail.com On Mar 3, 2013, at 5:56 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: > I like Caller ID, I.E. someone being announced although I wish it didn't do > it on loud speaker when the I phone headset was plugged in. However, I'd > like the choice of having the announcement muted especially if you were in an > important meeting as others have stated. > > Kawal. > On 3 Mar 2013, at 23:41, James Mannion wrote: > >> Personal preferences it sounds like. Some of us wouldn't find it a big >> deal to mute VO when locking the phone in a situation where it could >> ring where we were so concerned about someone knowing who is calling. >> As was mentioned, I don't think many of us really share this concern. >> Personally I don't care about it much if at some random time somebody >> knows by what something said who was calling me. I don't think the >> information makes enough of a connection in their life to even >> acknowledge it. Others like yourself do look at it differently though. >> Maybe they will put in a setting some day, but until then there are >> controls you can use to manage the situation. No, it is not 100% >> automated, but not difficult to manage. It seems to me that expecting >> 100% automation to manage every situation causes more stress than to >> just use the controls provided to effectively manage it. >> >> On 3/3/13, Chris Gilland wrote: >>> You wrote: >>> >>> Moreover, why is it that when we have a headphone connected, the caller ID >>> is still spoken out loud through the speakerphone? >>> >>> Ouch! I didn't realize it did that, but then, I hardly ever use a headset. >>> Is this also an issue with bluetooth headsets, or only with wired. >>> >>> Chris. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone
I like Caller ID, I.E. someone being announced although I wish it didn't do it on loud speaker when the I phone headset was plugged in. However, I'd like the choice of having the announcement muted especially if you were in an important meeting as others have stated. Kawal. On 3 Mar 2013, at 23:41, James Mannion wrote: > Personal preferences it sounds like. Some of us wouldn't find it a big > deal to mute VO when locking the phone in a situation where it could > ring where we were so concerned about someone knowing who is calling. > As was mentioned, I don't think many of us really share this concern. > Personally I don't care about it much if at some random time somebody > knows by what something said who was calling me. I don't think the > information makes enough of a connection in their life to even > acknowledge it. Others like yourself do look at it differently though. > Maybe they will put in a setting some day, but until then there are > controls you can use to manage the situation. No, it is not 100% > automated, but not difficult to manage. It seems to me that expecting > 100% automation to manage every situation causes more stress than to > just use the controls provided to effectively manage it. > > On 3/3/13, Chris Gilland wrote: >> You wrote: >> >> Moreover, why is it that when we have a headphone connected, the caller ID >> is still spoken out loud through the speakerphone? >> >> Ouch! I didn't realize it did that, but then, I hardly ever use a headset. >> Is this also an issue with bluetooth headsets, or only with wired. >> >> Chris. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone
For anyone having an affair or in a terrorist cell or even hush hush corporate espionage think about changing volatile names in your contacts. Sent from my iPhone On 04/03/2013, at 10:41 AM, James Mannion wrote: > Personal preferences it sounds like. Some of us wouldn't find it a big > deal to mute VO when locking the phone in a situation where it could > ring where we were so concerned about someone knowing who is calling. > As was mentioned, I don't think many of us really share this concern. > Personally I don't care about it much if at some random time somebody > knows by what something said who was calling me. I don't think the > information makes enough of a connection in their life to even > acknowledge it. Others like yourself do look at it differently though. > Maybe they will put in a setting some day, but until then there are > controls you can use to manage the situation. No, it is not 100% > automated, but not difficult to manage. It seems to me that expecting > 100% automation to manage every situation causes more stress than to > just use the controls provided to effectively manage it. > > On 3/3/13, Chris Gilland wrote: >> You wrote: >> >> Moreover, why is it that when we have a headphone connected, the caller ID >> is still spoken out loud through the speakerphone? >> >> Ouch! I didn't realize it did that, but then, I hardly ever use a headset. >> Is this also an issue with bluetooth headsets, or only with wired. >> >> Chris. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone
Personal preferences it sounds like. Some of us wouldn't find it a big deal to mute VO when locking the phone in a situation where it could ring where we were so concerned about someone knowing who is calling. As was mentioned, I don't think many of us really share this concern. Personally I don't care about it much if at some random time somebody knows by what something said who was calling me. I don't think the information makes enough of a connection in their life to even acknowledge it. Others like yourself do look at it differently though. Maybe they will put in a setting some day, but until then there are controls you can use to manage the situation. No, it is not 100% automated, but not difficult to manage. It seems to me that expecting 100% automation to manage every situation causes more stress than to just use the controls provided to effectively manage it. On 3/3/13, Chris Gilland wrote: > You wrote: > > Moreover, why is it that when we have a headphone connected, the caller ID > is still spoken out loud through the speakerphone? > > Ouch! I didn't realize it did that, but then, I hardly ever use a headset. > Is this also an issue with bluetooth headsets, or only with wired. > > Chris. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone
You wrote: Moreover, why is it that when we have a headphone connected, the caller ID is still spoken out loud through the speakerphone? Ouch! I didn't realize it did that, but then, I hardly ever use a headset. Is this also an issue with bluetooth headsets, or only with wired. Chris. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone
I have to agree. One of my friends used to be married to a lady who I remained friends with after their divorce. This jack A kept stalking her even after they divorced. He'd do anything he could to get her number and call/harass her. So at that time, I didn't have an IPhone, but had I, it would have been a concern. At that time, with the phone I did have which was Windows Mobile based, it still read the caller ID by itself, so I always was real real concerned when he was around that she'd call, and he'd do whatever he could to hear her number. Finally, what I wound up doing was putting her in my contacts under a fake name that didn't even resemble her real name even remotely. That way not only did it not read her number, it wouldn't even read her real name, and then basically only I knew the little secret behind that disguise. Hey, it worked… So my point in all this is to say, if you want to bird someone out from knowing who's calling that badly, there are ways you can do so with some creativity. Chris Gilland Founder of CLG Productions http://www.clgproductions.com Phone: 803-760-7136 Toll-free: 1-888-405-3185 Mon-Fri 8A.M-5P.M Eastern Standard Time except weekends and holidays E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com On Mar 3, 2013, at 3:38 PM, James Mannion wrote: > Maybe try turning down the volume when not in use so it will not > announce it to any extent that anyone would be able to hear it that > you don't want to hear it? Maybe do the 3 finger double tap to mute > speech when not in use and then just quickly unmute it with the same > command when you want to hear it? In my opinion worrying about this is > just an obsession with privacy that will have you always fighting > battles to no end in your life, but to each their own I guess and > there are ways around it if one care that much. > > On 3/3/13, Emrah wrote: >> Hi list, >> >> I remember reporting this a while ago to Apple Accessibility… To no avail. >> VoiceOver users have an unavoidable privacy issue: the automatic >> announcement of the caller ID of an incoming call. >> It should be possible to make this optional, with the ability to manually >> interrogate the screen to know who is calling. >> >> Moreover, why is it that when we have a headphone connected, the caller ID >> is still spoken out loud through the speakerphone? >> >> What do we have to do for Apple to take this into consideration? A >> petition? >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone
Frankly, I don't know I'd totally get rid of the option to read caller ID, however, I do wonder how hard it would be to make it where VO doesn't automatically read. In other words, have it do like now where it pops up, yes, but you would have to intentionally flick to it to read the thing. Also remember that if you're that terribly concerned, you can set custom ringers for different callers. Again, it still would read caller ID, so technically, I guess that doesn't really solve the issue, but it is somewhat a work-around. Chris Gilland Founder of CLG Productions http://www.clgproductions.com Phone: 803-760-7136 Toll-free: 1-888-405-3185 Mon-Fri 8A.M-5P.M Eastern Standard Time except weekends and holidays E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com On Mar 3, 2013, at 3:54 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Hi, > > Not to sound discouraging but, I honestly don't know how many really share > this concern. I'm not so sure it's unavoidable either. One could mute > speech with a 3 finger double tap when not in use or, turn Voiceover off all > together with a 3 triple press of home, and turn either back on when > receiving an incoming call or, just want access to the phone. You could even > turn down the volume of voiceover so it would be hard to hear if not holding > the device in your hand. But I must say, of all bugs I want fixed, or > features I want to see added, This wouldn't even make my top 10. > > But, who knows? I might be in the minority on this topic. Hopefully your > message will urge others with the same concerns to contact Apple about it. > > JMO., > > Ricardo Walker > rica...@appletothecore.info > Twitter:@apple2thecore > www.appletothecore.info > > On Mar 3, 2013, at 3:28 PM, Emrah wrote: > >> Hi list, >> >> I remember reporting this a while ago to Apple Accessibility… To no avail. >> VoiceOver users have an unavoidable privacy issue: the automatic >> announcement of the caller ID of an incoming call. >> It should be possible to make this optional, with the ability to manually >> interrogate the screen to know who is calling. >> >> Moreover, why is it that when we have a headphone connected, the caller ID >> is still spoken out loud through the speakerphone? >> >> What do we have to do for Apple to take this into consideration? A petition? >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone
One thing to do is mute the phone. When "speak notifications on lock screen" is disabled, and when the phone is musted with the mute switch, vo says nothing at all unless you touch the screen, just as you are wanting. Personally, I have my speech rate at 100% and the vast majority of my callers in my contacts anyway, so I am not overly concerned about having people hear what vo says. If it is a worry, though, you could mute your phone for now and be sure to disable speaking notifications on the lock screen. Even with the phone unmuted, all vo does is say the time when you get a call, provided that speak notifications setting is off. The only other time you would get a call is while using the device, and I presume you would already be using either headphones or a braille display anyway if you are somewhere you do not want your speech to be overheard. You said that the caller ID is spoken even when headphones are in, and I have also noticed this and will email Apple about it. I just don't think of it because I nearly always have my phone locked when a call comes in, so I tend to focus on lock screen behavior. On Mar 3, 2013, at 3:54 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Hi, > > Not to sound discouraging but, I honestly don't know how many really share > this concern. I'm not so sure it's unavoidable either. One could mute > speech with a 3 finger double tap when not in use or, turn Voiceover off all > together with a 3 triple press of home, and turn either back on when > receiving an incoming call or, just want access to the phone. You could even > turn down the volume of voiceover so it would be hard to hear if not holding > the device in your hand. But I must say, of all bugs I want fixed, or > features I want to see added, This wouldn't even make my top 10. > > But, who knows? I might be in the minority on this topic. Hopefully your > message will urge others with the same concerns to contact Apple about it. > > JMO., > > Ricardo Walker > rica...@appletothecore.info > Twitter:@apple2thecore > www.appletothecore.info > > On Mar 3, 2013, at 3:28 PM, Emrah wrote: > >> Hi list, >> >> I remember reporting this a while ago to Apple Accessibility… To no avail. >> VoiceOver users have an unavoidable privacy issue: the automatic >> announcement of the caller ID of an incoming call. >> It should be possible to make this optional, with the ability to manually >> interrogate the screen to know who is calling. >> >> Moreover, why is it that when we have a headphone connected, the caller ID >> is still spoken out loud through the speakerphone? >> >> What do we have to do for Apple to take this into consideration? A petition? >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone
Friend, Thanks for your prompt input. The fact is that if you wish VO to speak lower on incoming calls, you must lower the volume of the ringer alert. Otherwise turning down the volume of VO is not extremely practical since there are too many cases where you need the volume back at a normal level. And muting VO every time you are done with it? I don't think the setting is intended to be used that way. Did you see the issue where an incoming call triggers VO to speak through the speakerphone even with a headset connected? The fact is that I am not asking for an improvement here, but something that should have been there at the first place. I am far from being over concerned by privacy, but I happen to feel a little uncomfortable when VO announces the names of people that call me when I am sitting on a train, in a meeting or basically close to strangers. Cheers! On Mar 3, 2013, at 3:38 PM, James Mannion wrote: > Maybe try turning down the volume when not in use so it will not > announce it to any extent that anyone would be able to hear it that > you don't want to hear it? Maybe do the 3 finger double tap to mute > speech when not in use and then just quickly unmute it with the same > command when you want to hear it? In my opinion worrying about this is > just an obsession with privacy that will have you always fighting > battles to no end in your life, but to each their own I guess and > there are ways around it if one care that much. > > On 3/3/13, Emrah wrote: >> Hi list, >> >> I remember reporting this a while ago to Apple Accessibility… To no avail. >> VoiceOver users have an unavoidable privacy issue: the automatic >> announcement of the caller ID of an incoming call. >> It should be possible to make this optional, with the ability to manually >> interrogate the screen to know who is calling. >> >> Moreover, why is it that when we have a headphone connected, the caller ID >> is still spoken out loud through the speakerphone? >> >> What do we have to do for Apple to take this into consideration? A >> petition? >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone
Hi, Not to sound discouraging but, I honestly don't know how many really share this concern. I'm not so sure it's unavoidable either. One could mute speech with a 3 finger double tap when not in use or, turn Voiceover off all together with a 3 triple press of home, and turn either back on when receiving an incoming call or, just want access to the phone. You could even turn down the volume of voiceover so it would be hard to hear if not holding the device in your hand. But I must say, of all bugs I want fixed, or features I want to see added, This wouldn't even make my top 10. But, who knows? I might be in the minority on this topic. Hopefully your message will urge others with the same concerns to contact Apple about it. JMO., Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Mar 3, 2013, at 3:28 PM, Emrah wrote: > Hi list, > > I remember reporting this a while ago to Apple Accessibility… To no avail. > VoiceOver users have an unavoidable privacy issue: the automatic announcement > of the caller ID of an incoming call. > It should be possible to make this optional, with the ability to manually > interrogate the screen to know who is calling. > > Moreover, why is it that when we have a headphone connected, the caller ID is > still spoken out loud through the speakerphone? > > What do we have to do for Apple to take this into consideration? A petition? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Automatic caller ID announcement, an important privacy issue with VoiceOver on iPhone
Maybe try turning down the volume when not in use so it will not announce it to any extent that anyone would be able to hear it that you don't want to hear it? Maybe do the 3 finger double tap to mute speech when not in use and then just quickly unmute it with the same command when you want to hear it? In my opinion worrying about this is just an obsession with privacy that will have you always fighting battles to no end in your life, but to each their own I guess and there are ways around it if one care that much. On 3/3/13, Emrah wrote: > Hi list, > > I remember reporting this a while ago to Apple Accessibility… To no avail. > VoiceOver users have an unavoidable privacy issue: the automatic > announcement of the caller ID of an incoming call. > It should be possible to make this optional, with the ability to manually > interrogate the screen to know who is calling. > > Moreover, why is it that when we have a headphone connected, the caller ID > is still spoken out loud through the speakerphone? > > What do we have to do for Apple to take this into consideration? A > petition? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
