Re: blue tooth headsets

[Ronald van Rhijn]

I have to correct myself on the noise cancelling bit. The Marque 2 does have 
some noise cancelling or noise reduction, but not as good as the Edge has as I 
read online.

Ronald
 
> Op 23 mrt. 2016, om 17:13 heeft Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> So jawbone is actually a pretty good name because it pings your jawbone to 
> detect activity.  Most people are not aware of bone conduction.  Out side of 
> our community the military is probably the only user.
> 
> In later versions of the jawbone like the Era the censor is not absolutely 
> required.  It does work better using the censor but you don’t necessarily 
> have to use it.
> 
> As far it’s appearance, very small. Shaped like the old jawbone but if you 
> haven’t seen one it’s a small stylized shape with a piece that fits in your 
> ear and then a piece that sits on your cheek bone or jawbone. The whole deal 
> is about an inch long if that an half inch wide.  Weight is only a few grams.
> 
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 12:10 PM, Ronald van Rhijn <pa...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> 
>> Scott,
>> 
>> Thanks for the clearification! The name Jawbone is a little bit misleading.
>> I still dont want to be bothered to keep the sensor on my jaw or cheek.
>> How does it look like,  how long is such divice as the Era?
>> 
>> Ronald
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Op 23 mrt. 2016, om 13:35 heeft Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> het 
>>> volgende geschreven:
>>> 
>>> To be clear, the jawbone does not * use * bone induction.  Not even close.  
>>> There is a small censor that rests on your cheek / jawbone that is a noise 
>>> gate.  When you speak one of the first things that happens before sound 
>>> leaves your mouth is your jaw starts to move.  That movement triggers the 
>>> censor which opens the noise gate and allows your voice in.  If you’re not 
>>> speaking the noise gate is closed and sound isn’t picked up.  They use this 
>>> a lot in military headsets for example helicopters and tanks.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 4:55 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ronald does that also have a microphone or is seri picking up your voice 
>>>> through its microphone. i'd really rather go with traditional ear phone 
>>>> type instead of bone induction myself. thanks max
>>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 2:23 PM, Ronald van Rhijn wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Just bought me a Plantronics Marque 2 (m165) single earpiece headset 
>>>>> after looking at all the options.
>>>>> I considered the Jawbone Era and Plantronics Edge as well, but the 
>>>>> Jawbone models need to touch your jaw in order to function properly. 
>>>>> Don’t know if this is part or full bone conduction , but didn’t want to 
>>>>> have something to be on my face. The Plantronics Edge is larger than the 
>>>>> Marque 2 and more expensive. The additional features of the Edge like 
>>>>> noise cancelling and charge unit I don’t need. So I bought the Marque 2 
>>>>> and very satisfied with it where I use it for, some reading in public 
>>>>> transit. The unit has some physical buttons for volume, on/off switch end 
>>>>> multipurpose button for Siri, answering etc. The unit speaks when turning 
>>>>> on how much talktime there is left, the pairing process, volume etc.  The 
>>>>> Marque 2 costst about 50 euro.
>>>>> Ronald
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Op 20 mrt. 2016, om 01:50 heeft Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> het 
>>>>>> volgende geschreven:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Scott,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I've not tried the Plantronics legend but know it was a great device 
>>>>>> back in  the day,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Would you still put it above the Edge?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> And I used one of the early era devices but at that point it's 
>>>>>> accessibility wasn't great. Still it was an excellent device,
>>>>>> I just need to stop being so hard on headsets.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>>>>&

Re: blue tooth headsets

[Scott Granados]

Oh boy this makes me miss San Francisco.

I used to like the 21 and over parties at the exploratorium that they had after 
work, I think it was usually Thursdays.

Good times.



> On Mar 23, 2016, at 2:24 PM, Kayaker <sea...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I absolutely do not believe this bone conduction thing. I have a pair of the 
> Blues as well, and there is no change in sound quality if I pull the headset 
> apart enough so that nothing touches my face. Try it yourself and tell me if 
> you notice a difference. That said, the speakers blasting and bleeding sound 
> out in front of your ears do allow you to hear both your device and ambient 
> sound. But true bone conduction will have no bleeding. Excellent hands on 
> exhibit at the Exploratorium in SF on this. Actually, it’s more of a teeth on 
> exhibit.
> 
> —k
> Faith doesn’t give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the 
> questions.
> 
> 
> On Mar 21, 2016, at 9:39 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
>> I absolutely swear by mine, yes.  OK, there may be a little bit of leakage, 
>> but they're bone induction, so give them some credit.  You're never gonna 
>> *totally!* get rid of that.  Compared to the 1st generation though, the 
>> Bluez 2S model is really great, and has improved this quite significantly.
>> 
>> As for the newer model, I think it's called the Treck? Don't quote me on 
>> that title though, it's only available in selected markets from what I 
>> understand, but I hear it is unbelievable.  I've never seen one though, so I 
>> can't really comment.  Knowing though what I do about their products, I'd 
>> strongly recommend trying it.
>> 
>> The only thing really that I would say I have totally against Aftershokz, is 
>> though their customer service is great in general, don't expect them to keep 
>> their promises in a timely manor!
>> 
>> When I broke my tention band strap, they said they'd send me a replacement, 
>> which yes, they did, but oh what a mes!  First, they said they'd send it 
>> over-night, and wouldn't charge me for it, nor shipping, which of course, 
>> they didn't, but over night turned into about a month and a half before I 
>> got the dad blame thing.  And when I did, it was the wrong strap.  I was so 
>> angry for the wait, and for the time it took, I sent them photos of the 
>> wrong strap they sent, and photos of my broken strap, and demanded that they 
>> over-night it again correctly, and not delay things.
>> 
>> They not only told me the unit had been shipped out, but they even went so 
>> far as to tell me it was estimated to arrive in half a week, which I later 
>> determined that they not even shipped it to start with, let alone knew the 
>> delivery date.  Once I got a rep on the phone to spill that confession, I 
>> asked for a supervisor to call me back.  I told them if I didn't hear back 
>> within 24 hours max, I'd be putting a bad review up on my blog, Amazon, 
>> their own web site, etc.
>> 
>> This time, they complied.  Within about half a day, I heard from a manager.  
>> Though very very short and terse with me, you could tell he didn't want to 
>> be in this position, he asked what could be done to make things right.  I 
>> told him, I only have the 1st generation headset.  Send me the 2nd gen on 
>> the house over-nighted.  No charge to me at all for shipping, nor for the 
>> actual headset itself.  He was very hesitant, but he did it.
>> 
>> Granted, I didn't get it over night as he promised.  It took about 3 weeks.
>> 
>> My point being, you'd be better off buying their stuff through Amazon, or a 
>> 3rd party reseller.  The products themselves are steller!  Absolutely 
>> killer!  I'd never ask for anythying else, but that said, their phone 
>> support is absolutely horrible, and frankly, I'd not trust those guys there 
>> at the headquarters call center as far as I could throw 'em.
>> 
>> Still though, don't let that turn you off from the product itself.  And, if 
>> you ever did need a replacement, or something, I never said the people there 
>> wouldn't help you.  They will, but just know, it won't be quick, that's for 
>> sure.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 7:35 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: blue tooth headsets
>> 
>> I always forget about that option.  I’veneer tried them as i’ve heard about 
>> issu

RE: blue tooth headsets

[Simon Fogarty]

A few years ago I had a jawbone headset, I thought it was an era 

When I was researching the device it was stated by jawbone that they worked 
with DARPA to develop their headsets for milatry use.

 One of the reasons I went for the product at the time.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Ronald van Rhijn
Sent: Thursday, 24 March 2016 5:10 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: blue tooth headsets

Scott,

Thanks for the clearification! The name Jawbone is a little bit misleading.  
I still dont want to be bothered to keep the sensor on my jaw or cheek. 
How does it look like,  how long is such divice as the Era?

Ronald



> Op 23 mrt. 2016, om 13:35 heeft Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> To be clear, the jawbone does not * use * bone induction.  Not even close.  
> There is a small censor that rests on your cheek / jawbone that is a noise 
> gate.  When you speak one of the first things that happens before sound 
> leaves your mouth is your jaw starts to move.  That movement triggers the 
> censor which opens the noise gate and allows your voice in.  If you’re not 
> speaking the noise gate is closed and sound isn’t picked up.  They use this a 
> lot in military headsets for example helicopters and tanks.
> 
> Thanks
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 4:55 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ronald does that also have a microphone or is seri picking up your 
>> voice through its microphone. i'd really rather go with traditional ear 
>> phone type instead of bone induction myself. thanks max On Mar 22, 2016, at 
>> 2:23 PM, Ronald van Rhijn wrote:
>> 
>>> Just bought me a Plantronics Marque 2 (m165) single earpiece headset after 
>>> looking at all the options.
>>> I considered the Jawbone Era and Plantronics Edge as well, but the Jawbone 
>>> models need to touch your jaw in order to function properly. Don’t know if 
>>> this is part or full bone conduction , but didn’t want to have something to 
>>> be on my face. The Plantronics Edge is larger than the Marque 2 and more 
>>> expensive. The additional features of the Edge like noise cancelling and 
>>> charge unit I don’t need. So I bought the Marque 2 and very satisfied with 
>>> it where I use it for, some reading in public transit. The unit has some 
>>> physical buttons for volume, on/off switch end multipurpose button for 
>>> Siri, answering etc. The unit speaks when turning on how much talktime 
>>> there is left, the pairing process, volume etc.  The Marque 2 costst about 
>>> 50 euro.
>>> Ronald
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Op 20 mrt. 2016, om 01:50 heeft Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> het 
>>>> volgende geschreven:
>>>> 
>>>> Scott,
>>>> 
>>>> I've not tried the Plantronics legend but know it was a great 
>>>> device back in  the day,
>>>> 
>>>> Would you still put it above the Edge?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> And I used one of the early era devices but at that point it's 
>>>> accessibility wasn't great. Still it was an excellent device, I just need 
>>>> to stop being so hard on headsets.
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott 
>>>> Granados
>>>> Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2016 4:53 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: blue tooth headsets
>>>> 
>>>> Max, your brother is misinformed.  Bluetooth is a series of specifications 
>>>> that are standardized so aside some special features in general most 
>>>> things work pretty well with each other.  There are headsets in general 
>>>> though that work better than others.  This is one of the favorite topics 
>>>> of mine and also the moderator’s Mark I believe.
>>>> 
>>>> In my mind there are two ways to go and there have been the 2 same players 
>>>> on top for a while now.  There is the plantronics legend and the era by 
>>>> jawbone.  The Jawbone is the most stylish / smallest headset and the 
>>>> plantronics is the largest most utilitarian of the two.  Depends on what 
>>>> your goal is.  If you want to look cool, have good noise reduction, medium 
>>>> battery life and have the same toys as the cool kids buy a Jawbone.  If 
>>>

Re: blue tooth headsets

[Kayaker]

Hi,

I absolutely do not believe this bone conduction thing. I have a pair of the 
Blues as well, and there is no change in sound quality if I pull the headset 
apart enough so that nothing touches my face. Try it yourself and tell me if 
you notice a difference. That said, the speakers blasting and bleeding sound 
out in front of your ears do allow you to hear both your device and ambient 
sound. But true bone conduction will have no bleeding. Excellent hands on 
exhibit at the Exploratorium in SF on this. Actually, it’s more of a teeth on 
exhibit.

—k
Faith doesn’t give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the 
questions.


On Mar 21, 2016, at 9:39 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

> I absolutely swear by mine, yes.  OK, there may be a little bit of leakage, 
> but they're bone induction, so give them some credit.  You're never gonna 
> *totally!* get rid of that.  Compared to the 1st generation though, the Bluez 
> 2S model is really great, and has improved this quite significantly.
> 
> As for the newer model, I think it's called the Treck? Don't quote me on that 
> title though, it's only available in selected markets from what I understand, 
> but I hear it is unbelievable.  I've never seen one though, so I can't really 
> comment.  Knowing though what I do about their products, I'd strongly 
> recommend trying it.
> 
> The only thing really that I would say I have totally against Aftershokz, is 
> though their customer service is great in general, don't expect them to keep 
> their promises in a timely manor!
> 
> When I broke my tention band strap, they said they'd send me a replacement, 
> which yes, they did, but oh what a mes!  First, they said they'd send it 
> over-night, and wouldn't charge me for it, nor shipping, which of course, 
> they didn't, but over night turned into about a month and a half before I got 
> the dad blame thing.  And when I did, it was the wrong strap.  I was so angry 
> for the wait, and for the time it took, I sent them photos of the wrong strap 
> they sent, and photos of my broken strap, and demanded that they over-night 
> it again correctly, and not delay things.
> 
> They not only told me the unit had been shipped out, but they even went so 
> far as to tell me it was estimated to arrive in half a week, which I later 
> determined that they not even shipped it to start with, let alone knew the 
> delivery date.  Once I got a rep on the phone to spill that confession, I 
> asked for a supervisor to call me back.  I told them if I didn't hear back 
> within 24 hours max, I'd be putting a bad review up on my blog, Amazon, their 
> own web site, etc.
> 
> This time, they complied.  Within about half a day, I heard from a manager.  
> Though very very short and terse with me, you could tell he didn't want to be 
> in this position, he asked what could be done to make things right.  I told 
> him, I only have the 1st generation headset.  Send me the 2nd gen on the 
> house over-nighted.  No charge to me at all for shipping, nor for the actual 
> headset itself.  He was very hesitant, but he did it.
> 
> Granted, I didn't get it over night as he promised.  It took about 3 weeks.
> 
> My point being, you'd be better off buying their stuff through Amazon, or a 
> 3rd party reseller.  The products themselves are steller!  Absolutely killer! 
>  I'd never ask for anythying else, but that said, their phone support is 
> absolutely horrible, and frankly, I'd not trust those guys there at the 
> headquarters call center as far as I could throw 'em.
> 
> Still though, don't let that turn you off from the product itself.  And, if 
> you ever did need a replacement, or something, I never said the people there 
> wouldn't help you.  They will, but just know, it won't be quick, that's for 
> sure.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 7:35 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: blue tooth headsets
> 
> I always forget about that option.  I’veneer tried them as i’ve heard about 
> issues with build quality and the like but it may be worth considering.  
> Sounds like you like yours.
> 
>> On Mar 20, 2016, at 6:17 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Why not look into the Aftershokz lineup?  I swear by mine!
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
>> - Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" 
>> <sc...@qualityip.net>
>> 

Re: blue tooth headsets

[Scott Granados]

So jawbone is actually a pretty good name because it pings your jawbone to 
detect activity.  Most people are not aware of bone conduction.  Out side of 
our community the military is probably the only user.

In later versions of the jawbone like the Era the censor is not absolutely 
required.  It does work better using the censor but you don’t necessarily have 
to use it.

As far it’s appearance, very small. Shaped like the old jawbone but if you 
haven’t seen one it’s a small stylized shape with a piece that fits in your ear 
and then a piece that sits on your cheek bone or jawbone. The whole deal is 
about an inch long if that an half inch wide.  Weight is only a few grams.


> On Mar 23, 2016, at 12:10 PM, Ronald van Rhijn <pa...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> 
> Thanks for the clearification! The name Jawbone is a little bit misleading.
> I still dont want to be bothered to keep the sensor on my jaw or cheek.
> How does it look like,  how long is such divice as the Era?
> 
> Ronald
> 
> 
> 
>> Op 23 mrt. 2016, om 13:35 heeft Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> het 
>> volgende geschreven:
>> 
>> To be clear, the jawbone does not * use * bone induction.  Not even close.  
>> There is a small censor that rests on your cheek / jawbone that is a noise 
>> gate.  When you speak one of the first things that happens before sound 
>> leaves your mouth is your jaw starts to move.  That movement triggers the 
>> censor which opens the noise gate and allows your voice in.  If you’re not 
>> speaking the noise gate is closed and sound isn’t picked up.  They use this 
>> a lot in military headsets for example helicopters and tanks.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 4:55 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ronald does that also have a microphone or is seri picking up your voice 
>>> through its microphone. i'd really rather go with traditional ear phone 
>>> type instead of bone induction myself. thanks max
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 2:23 PM, Ronald van Rhijn wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Just bought me a Plantronics Marque 2 (m165) single earpiece headset after 
>>>> looking at all the options.
>>>> I considered the Jawbone Era and Plantronics Edge as well, but the Jawbone 
>>>> models need to touch your jaw in order to function properly. Don’t know if 
>>>> this is part or full bone conduction , but didn’t want to have something 
>>>> to be on my face. The Plantronics Edge is larger than the Marque 2 and 
>>>> more expensive. The additional features of the Edge like noise cancelling 
>>>> and charge unit I don’t need. So I bought the Marque 2 and very satisfied 
>>>> with it where I use it for, some reading in public transit. The unit has 
>>>> some physical buttons for volume, on/off switch end multipurpose button 
>>>> for Siri, answering etc. The unit speaks when turning on how much talktime 
>>>> there is left, the pairing process, volume etc.  The Marque 2 costst about 
>>>> 50 euro.
>>>> Ronald
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Op 20 mrt. 2016, om 01:50 heeft Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> het 
>>>>> volgende geschreven:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Scott,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've not tried the Plantronics legend but know it was a great device back 
>>>>> in  the day,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Would you still put it above the Edge?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> And I used one of the early era devices but at that point it's 
>>>>> accessibility wasn't great. Still it was an excellent device,
>>>>> I just need to stop being so hard on headsets.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2016 4:53 AM
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: blue tooth headsets
>>>>> 
>>>>> Max, your brother is misinformed.  Bluetooth is a series of 
>>>>> specifications that are standardized so aside some special features in 
>>>>> general most things work pretty well with each other.  There are headsets 
>>>>> in general though that work better than others.  This is one of the 
>>>>> favorite topics of mine and also the moderator’s Mark I believe.
>>>>> 
>

Re: blue tooth headsets

[Ronald van Rhijn]

Scott,

Thanks for the clearification! The name Jawbone is a little bit misleading.  
I still dont want to be bothered to keep the sensor on my jaw or cheek. 
How does it look like,  how long is such divice as the Era?

Ronald



> Op 23 mrt. 2016, om 13:35 heeft Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> To be clear, the jawbone does not * use * bone induction.  Not even close.  
> There is a small censor that rests on your cheek / jawbone that is a noise 
> gate.  When you speak one of the first things that happens before sound 
> leaves your mouth is your jaw starts to move.  That movement triggers the 
> censor which opens the noise gate and allows your voice in.  If you’re not 
> speaking the noise gate is closed and sound isn’t picked up.  They use this a 
> lot in military headsets for example helicopters and tanks.
> 
> Thanks
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 4:55 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ronald does that also have a microphone or is seri picking up your voice 
>> through its microphone. i'd really rather go with traditional ear phone type 
>> instead of bone induction myself. thanks max
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 2:23 PM, Ronald van Rhijn wrote:
>> 
>>> Just bought me a Plantronics Marque 2 (m165) single earpiece headset after 
>>> looking at all the options.
>>> I considered the Jawbone Era and Plantronics Edge as well, but the Jawbone 
>>> models need to touch your jaw in order to function properly. Don’t know if 
>>> this is part or full bone conduction , but didn’t want to have something to 
>>> be on my face. The Plantronics Edge is larger than the Marque 2 and more 
>>> expensive. The additional features of the Edge like noise cancelling and 
>>> charge unit I don’t need. So I bought the Marque 2 and very satisfied with 
>>> it where I use it for, some reading in public transit. The unit has some 
>>> physical buttons for volume, on/off switch end multipurpose button for 
>>> Siri, answering etc. The unit speaks when turning on how much talktime 
>>> there is left, the pairing process, volume etc.  The Marque 2 costst about 
>>> 50 euro.
>>> Ronald
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Op 20 mrt. 2016, om 01:50 heeft Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> het 
>>>> volgende geschreven:
>>>> 
>>>> Scott,
>>>> 
>>>> I've not tried the Plantronics legend but know it was a great device back 
>>>> in  the day,
>>>> 
>>>> Would you still put it above the Edge?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> And I used one of the early era devices but at that point it's 
>>>> accessibility wasn't great. Still it was an excellent device,
>>>> I just need to stop being so hard on headsets.
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>>> Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2016 4:53 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: blue tooth headsets
>>>> 
>>>> Max, your brother is misinformed.  Bluetooth is a series of specifications 
>>>> that are standardized so aside some special features in general most 
>>>> things work pretty well with each other.  There are headsets in general 
>>>> though that work better than others.  This is one of the favorite topics 
>>>> of mine and also the moderator’s Mark I believe.
>>>> 
>>>> In my mind there are two ways to go and there have been the 2 same players 
>>>> on top for a while now.  There is the plantronics legend and the era by 
>>>> jawbone.  The Jawbone is the most stylish / smallest headset and the 
>>>> plantronics is the largest most utilitarian of the two.  Depends on what 
>>>> your goal is.  If you want to look cool, have good noise reduction, medium 
>>>> battery life and have the same toys as the cool kids buy a Jawbone.  If 
>>>> you want your headset to work in all conditions, want fantastic noise 
>>>> reduction, don’t care about the fact there’s a boom microphone and you 
>>>> need great battery life then the plantronics voyager pro legend is the way 
>>>> to go.  Hands down the plastrons works the best it’s just whether your 
>>>> concern is mostly function or you want some style.
>>>> 
>>>> How’s that?
>>>> 
>>>> BTW I use the voyager pro legen

Re: blue tooth headsets

[Ronald van Rhijn]

Hi Scott,

Works pretty well for me, must have the volume turned up high though. Unless it 
has some noise cancelling after all… Dont know for sure.

Ronald
 
> Op 23 mrt. 2016, om 13:33 heeft Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> Ronald, you don’t find you need noise reduction on public transit and out and 
> about?  I’m surprised. Glad you like the headset though, good suggestion and 
> great price point.
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 3:23 PM, Ronald van Rhijn <pa...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> 
>> Just bought me a Plantronics Marque 2 (m165) single earpiece headset after 
>> looking at all the options.
>> I considered the Jawbone Era and Plantronics Edge as well, but the Jawbone 
>> models need to touch your jaw in order to function properly. Don’t know if 
>> this is part or full bone conduction , but didn’t want to have something to 
>> be on my face. The Plantronics Edge is larger than the Marque 2 and more 
>> expensive. The additional features of the Edge like noise cancelling and 
>> charge unit I don’t need. So I bought the Marque 2 and very satisfied with 
>> it where I use it for, some reading in public transit. The unit has some 
>> physical buttons for volume, on/off switch end multipurpose button for Siri, 
>> answering etc. The unit speaks when turning on how much talktime there is 
>> left, the pairing process, volume etc.  The Marque 2 costst about 50 euro.
>> Ronald
>> 
>> 
>>> Op 20 mrt. 2016, om 01:50 heeft Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> het 
>>> volgende geschreven:
>>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> 
>>> I've not tried the Plantronics legend but know it was a great device back 
>>> in  the day,
>>> 
>>> Would you still put it above the Edge?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> And I used one of the early era devices but at that point it's 
>>> accessibility wasn't great. Still it was an excellent device,
>>> I just need to stop being so hard on headsets.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2016 4:53 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: blue tooth headsets
>>> 
>>> Max, your brother is misinformed.  Bluetooth is a series of specifications 
>>> that are standardized so aside some special features in general most things 
>>> work pretty well with each other.  There are headsets in general though 
>>> that work better than others.  This is one of the favorite topics of mine 
>>> and also the moderator’s Mark I believe.
>>> 
>>> In my mind there are two ways to go and there have been the 2 same players 
>>> on top for a while now.  There is the plantronics legend and the era by 
>>> jawbone.  The Jawbone is the most stylish / smallest headset and the 
>>> plantronics is the largest most utilitarian of the two.  Depends on what 
>>> your goal is.  If you want to look cool, have good noise reduction, medium 
>>> battery life and have the same toys as the cool kids buy a Jawbone.  If you 
>>> want your headset to work in all conditions, want fantastic noise 
>>> reduction, don’t care about the fact there’s a boom microphone and you need 
>>> great battery life then the plantronics voyager pro legend is the way to 
>>> go.  Hands down the plastrons works the best it’s just whether your concern 
>>> is mostly function or you want some style.
>>> 
>>> How’s that?
>>> 
>>> BTW I use the voyager pro legend almost exclusively now although I carry 
>>> both.  I find the plantronics just more stable and for my professional 
>>> calls and work environment the only option.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 18, 2016, at 2:53 AM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> hello; I'm wanting to buy a blue tooth headset to go with my iPhone. my 
>>>> brother said that when he looked online he heard that a lot of them don't 
>>>> work with the iPhone. so what would you all recommend? I may just need the 
>>>> headphones because today i did a Skype call using my iPhone and the guy 
>>>> was really impressed with the quality. thanks for your help, max
>>>> 
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Re: blue tooth headsets

[Scott Granados]

To be clear, the jawbone does not * use * bone induction.  Not even close.  
There is a small censor that rests on your cheek / jawbone that is a noise 
gate.  When you speak one of the first things that happens before sound leaves 
your mouth is your jaw starts to move.  That movement triggers the censor which 
opens the noise gate and allows your voice in.  If you’re not speaking the 
noise gate is closed and sound isn’t picked up.  They use this a lot in 
military headsets for example helicopters and tanks.

Thanks

> On Mar 22, 2016, at 4:55 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> ronald does that also have a microphone or is seri picking up your voice 
> through its microphone. i'd really rather go with traditional ear phone type 
> instead of bone induction myself. thanks max
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 2:23 PM, Ronald van Rhijn wrote:
> 
>> Just bought me a Plantronics Marque 2 (m165) single earpiece headset after 
>> looking at all the options.
>> I considered the Jawbone Era and Plantronics Edge as well, but the Jawbone 
>> models need to touch your jaw in order to function properly. Don’t know if 
>> this is part or full bone conduction , but didn’t want to have something to 
>> be on my face. The Plantronics Edge is larger than the Marque 2 and more 
>> expensive. The additional features of the Edge like noise cancelling and 
>> charge unit I don’t need. So I bought the Marque 2 and very satisfied with 
>> it where I use it for, some reading in public transit. The unit has some 
>> physical buttons for volume, on/off switch end multipurpose button for Siri, 
>> answering etc. The unit speaks when turning on how much talktime there is 
>> left, the pairing process, volume etc.  The Marque 2 costst about 50 euro.
>> Ronald
>> 
>> 
>>> Op 20 mrt. 2016, om 01:50 heeft Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> het 
>>> volgende geschreven:
>>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> 
>>> I've not tried the Plantronics legend but know it was a great device back 
>>> in  the day,
>>> 
>>> Would you still put it above the Edge?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> And I used one of the early era devices but at that point it's 
>>> accessibility wasn't great. Still it was an excellent device,
>>> I just need to stop being so hard on headsets.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2016 4:53 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: blue tooth headsets
>>> 
>>> Max, your brother is misinformed.  Bluetooth is a series of specifications 
>>> that are standardized so aside some special features in general most things 
>>> work pretty well with each other.  There are headsets in general though 
>>> that work better than others.  This is one of the favorite topics of mine 
>>> and also the moderator’s Mark I believe.
>>> 
>>> In my mind there are two ways to go and there have been the 2 same players 
>>> on top for a while now.  There is the plantronics legend and the era by 
>>> jawbone.  The Jawbone is the most stylish / smallest headset and the 
>>> plantronics is the largest most utilitarian of the two.  Depends on what 
>>> your goal is.  If you want to look cool, have good noise reduction, medium 
>>> battery life and have the same toys as the cool kids buy a Jawbone.  If you 
>>> want your headset to work in all conditions, want fantastic noise 
>>> reduction, don’t care about the fact there’s a boom microphone and you need 
>>> great battery life then the plantronics voyager pro legend is the way to 
>>> go.  Hands down the plastrons works the best it’s just whether your concern 
>>> is mostly function or you want some style.
>>> 
>>> How’s that?
>>> 
>>> BTW I use the voyager pro legend almost exclusively now although I carry 
>>> both.  I find the plantronics just more stable and for my professional 
>>> calls and work environment the only option.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 18, 2016, at 2:53 AM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> hello; I'm wanting to buy a blue tooth headset to go with my iPhone. my 
>>>> brother said that when he looked online he heard that a lot of them don't 
>>>> work with the iPhone. so what would you all recommend? I may just need the 
>>&g

Re: blue tooth headsets

[Scott Granados]

Ronald, you don’t find you need noise reduction on public transit and out and 
about?  I’m surprised. Glad you like the headset though, good suggestion and 
great price point.

> On Mar 22, 2016, at 3:23 PM, Ronald van Rhijn <pa...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> 
> Just bought me a Plantronics Marque 2 (m165) single earpiece headset after 
> looking at all the options.
> I considered the Jawbone Era and Plantronics Edge as well, but the Jawbone 
> models need to touch your jaw in order to function properly. Don’t know if 
> this is part or full bone conduction , but didn’t want to have something to 
> be on my face. The Plantronics Edge is larger than the Marque 2 and more 
> expensive. The additional features of the Edge like noise cancelling and 
> charge unit I don’t need. So I bought the Marque 2 and very satisfied with it 
> where I use it for, some reading in public transit. The unit has some 
> physical buttons for volume, on/off switch end multipurpose button for Siri, 
> answering etc. The unit speaks when turning on how much talktime there is 
> left, the pairing process, volume etc.  The Marque 2 costst about 50 euro.
> Ronald
> 
> 
>> Op 20 mrt. 2016, om 01:50 heeft Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> het 
>> volgende geschreven:
>> 
>> Scott,
>> 
>> I've not tried the Plantronics legend but know it was a great device back in 
>>  the day,
>> 
>> Would you still put it above the Edge?
>> 
>> 
>> And I used one of the early era devices but at that point it's accessibility 
>> wasn't great. Still it was an excellent device,
>> I just need to stop being so hard on headsets.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2016 4:53 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: blue tooth headsets
>> 
>> Max, your brother is misinformed.  Bluetooth is a series of specifications 
>> that are standardized so aside some special features in general most things 
>> work pretty well with each other.  There are headsets in general though that 
>> work better than others.  This is one of the favorite topics of mine and 
>> also the moderator’s Mark I believe.
>> 
>> In my mind there are two ways to go and there have been the 2 same players 
>> on top for a while now.  There is the plantronics legend and the era by 
>> jawbone.  The Jawbone is the most stylish / smallest headset and the 
>> plantronics is the largest most utilitarian of the two.  Depends on what 
>> your goal is.  If you want to look cool, have good noise reduction, medium 
>> battery life and have the same toys as the cool kids buy a Jawbone.  If you 
>> want your headset to work in all conditions, want fantastic noise reduction, 
>> don’t care about the fact there’s a boom microphone and you need great 
>> battery life then the plantronics voyager pro legend is the way to go.  
>> Hands down the plastrons works the best it’s just whether your concern is 
>> mostly function or you want some style.
>> 
>> How’s that?
>> 
>> BTW I use the voyager pro legend almost exclusively now although I carry 
>> both.  I find the plantronics just more stable and for my professional calls 
>> and work environment the only option.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 18, 2016, at 2:53 AM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> hello; I'm wanting to buy a blue tooth headset to go with my iPhone. my 
>>> brother said that when he looked online he heard that a lot of them don't 
>>> work with the iPhone. so what would you all recommend? I may just need the 
>>> headphones because today i did a Skype call using my iPhone and the guy was 
>>> really impressed with the quality. thanks for your help, max
>>> 
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>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>>> Visionaries list.
>>> 
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>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
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>>> 
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Re: blue tooth headsets

[Ronald van Rhijn]

Max,
The Plantronics Marque 2 has a built in microphone for calling and Siri 
commands. .
Ronald

> Op 22 mrt. 2016, om 21:55 heeft 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> ronald does that also have a microphone or is seri picking up your voice 
> through its microphone. i'd really rather go with traditional ear phone type 
> instead of bone induction myself. thanks max 
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 2:23 PM, Ronald van Rhijn wrote:
> 
>> Just bought me a Plantronics Marque 2 (m165) single earpiece headset after 
>> looking at all the options.
>> I considered the Jawbone Era and Plantronics Edge as well, but the Jawbone 
>> models need to touch your jaw in order to function properly. Don’t know if 
>> this is part or full bone conduction , but didn’t want to have something to 
>> be on my face. The Plantronics Edge is larger than the Marque 2 and more 
>> expensive. The additional features of the Edge like noise cancelling and 
>> charge unit I don’t need. So I bought the Marque 2 and very satisfied with 
>> it where I use it for, some reading in public transit. The unit has some 
>> physical buttons for volume, on/off switch end multipurpose button for Siri, 
>> answering etc. The unit speaks when turning on how much talktime there is 
>> left, the pairing process, volume etc.  The Marque 2 costst about 50 euro.
>> Ronald
>> 
>> 
>>> Op 20 mrt. 2016, om 01:50 heeft Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> het 
>>> volgende geschreven:
>>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> 
>>> I've not tried the Plantronics legend but know it was a great device back 
>>> in  the day,
>>> 
>>> Would you still put it above the Edge?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> And I used one of the early era devices but at that point it's 
>>> accessibility wasn't great. Still it was an excellent device, 
>>> I just need to stop being so hard on headsets.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2016 4:53 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: blue tooth headsets
>>> 
>>> Max, your brother is misinformed.  Bluetooth is a series of specifications 
>>> that are standardized so aside some special features in general most things 
>>> work pretty well with each other.  There are headsets in general though 
>>> that work better than others.  This is one of the favorite topics of mine 
>>> and also the moderator’s Mark I believe.
>>> 
>>> In my mind there are two ways to go and there have been the 2 same players 
>>> on top for a while now.  There is the plantronics legend and the era by 
>>> jawbone.  The Jawbone is the most stylish / smallest headset and the 
>>> plantronics is the largest most utilitarian of the two.  Depends on what 
>>> your goal is.  If you want to look cool, have good noise reduction, medium 
>>> battery life and have the same toys as the cool kids buy a Jawbone.  If you 
>>> want your headset to work in all conditions, want fantastic noise 
>>> reduction, don’t care about the fact there’s a boom microphone and you need 
>>> great battery life then the plantronics voyager pro legend is the way to 
>>> go.  Hands down the plastrons works the best it’s just whether your concern 
>>> is mostly function or you want some style.
>>> 
>>> How’s that?
>>> 
>>> BTW I use the voyager pro legend almost exclusively now although I carry 
>>> both.  I find the plantronics just more stable and for my professional 
>>> calls and work environment the only option.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 18, 2016, at 2:53 AM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> hello; I'm wanting to buy a blue tooth headset to go with my iPhone. my 
>>>> brother said that when he looked online he heard that a lot of them don't 
>>>> work with the iPhone. so what would you all recommend? I may just need the 
>>>> headphones because today i did a Skype call using my iPhone and the guy 
>>>> was really impressed with the quality. thanks for your help, max 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>>>> Visionaries list.
>>>> 
>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this lis

Re: blue tooth headsets

['Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries]

ronald does that also have a microphone or is seri picking up your voice 
through its microphone. i'd really rather go with traditional ear phone type 
instead of bone induction myself. thanks max 
On Mar 22, 2016, at 2:23 PM, Ronald van Rhijn wrote:

> Just bought me a Plantronics Marque 2 (m165) single earpiece headset after 
> looking at all the options.
> I considered the Jawbone Era and Plantronics Edge as well, but the Jawbone 
> models need to touch your jaw in order to function properly. Don’t know if 
> this is part or full bone conduction , but didn’t want to have something to 
> be on my face. The Plantronics Edge is larger than the Marque 2 and more 
> expensive. The additional features of the Edge like noise cancelling and 
> charge unit I don’t need. So I bought the Marque 2 and very satisfied with it 
> where I use it for, some reading in public transit. The unit has some 
> physical buttons for volume, on/off switch end multipurpose button for Siri, 
> answering etc. The unit speaks when turning on how much talktime there is 
> left, the pairing process, volume etc.  The Marque 2 costst about 50 euro.
> Ronald
> 
> 
>> Op 20 mrt. 2016, om 01:50 heeft Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> het 
>> volgende geschreven:
>> 
>> Scott,
>> 
>> I've not tried the Plantronics legend but know it was a great device back in 
>>  the day,
>> 
>> Would you still put it above the Edge?
>> 
>> 
>> And I used one of the early era devices but at that point it's accessibility 
>> wasn't great. Still it was an excellent device, 
>> I just need to stop being so hard on headsets.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2016 4:53 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: blue tooth headsets
>> 
>> Max, your brother is misinformed.  Bluetooth is a series of specifications 
>> that are standardized so aside some special features in general most things 
>> work pretty well with each other.  There are headsets in general though that 
>> work better than others.  This is one of the favorite topics of mine and 
>> also the moderator’s Mark I believe.
>> 
>> In my mind there are two ways to go and there have been the 2 same players 
>> on top for a while now.  There is the plantronics legend and the era by 
>> jawbone.  The Jawbone is the most stylish / smallest headset and the 
>> plantronics is the largest most utilitarian of the two.  Depends on what 
>> your goal is.  If you want to look cool, have good noise reduction, medium 
>> battery life and have the same toys as the cool kids buy a Jawbone.  If you 
>> want your headset to work in all conditions, want fantastic noise reduction, 
>> don’t care about the fact there’s a boom microphone and you need great 
>> battery life then the plantronics voyager pro legend is the way to go.  
>> Hands down the plastrons works the best it’s just whether your concern is 
>> mostly function or you want some style.
>> 
>> How’s that?
>> 
>> BTW I use the voyager pro legend almost exclusively now although I carry 
>> both.  I find the plantronics just more stable and for my professional calls 
>> and work environment the only option.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 18, 2016, at 2:53 AM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> hello; I'm wanting to buy a blue tooth headset to go with my iPhone. my 
>>> brother said that when he looked online he heard that a lot of them don't 
>>> work with the iPhone. so what would you all recommend? I may just need the 
>>> headphones because today i did a Skype call using my iPhone and the guy was 
>>> really impressed with the quality. thanks for your help, max 
>>> 
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>>> Visionaries list.
>>> 
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Re: blue tooth headsets

[Ronald van Rhijn]

Just bought me a Plantronics Marque 2 (m165) single earpiece headset after 
looking at all the options.
I considered the Jawbone Era and Plantronics Edge as well, but the Jawbone 
models need to touch your jaw in order to function properly. Don’t know if this 
is part or full bone conduction , but didn’t want to have something to be on my 
face. The Plantronics Edge is larger than the Marque 2 and more expensive. The 
additional features of the Edge like noise cancelling and charge unit I don’t 
need. So I bought the Marque 2 and very satisfied with it where I use it for, 
some reading in public transit. The unit has some physical buttons for volume, 
on/off switch end multipurpose button for Siri, answering etc. The unit speaks 
when turning on how much talktime there is left, the pairing process, volume 
etc.  The Marque 2 costst about 50 euro.
Ronald

 
> Op 20 mrt. 2016, om 01:50 heeft Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> Scott,
> 
> I've not tried the Plantronics legend but know it was a great device back in  
> the day,
> 
> Would you still put it above the Edge?
> 
> 
> And I used one of the early era devices but at that point it's accessibility 
> wasn't great. Still it was an excellent device, 
> I just need to stop being so hard on headsets.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2016 4:53 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: blue tooth headsets
> 
> Max, your brother is misinformed.  Bluetooth is a series of specifications 
> that are standardized so aside some special features in general most things 
> work pretty well with each other.  There are headsets in general though that 
> work better than others.  This is one of the favorite topics of mine and also 
> the moderator’s Mark I believe.
> 
> In my mind there are two ways to go and there have been the 2 same players on 
> top for a while now.  There is the plantronics legend and the era by jawbone. 
>  The Jawbone is the most stylish / smallest headset and the plantronics is 
> the largest most utilitarian of the two.  Depends on what your goal is.  If 
> you want to look cool, have good noise reduction, medium battery life and 
> have the same toys as the cool kids buy a Jawbone.  If you want your headset 
> to work in all conditions, want fantastic noise reduction, don’t care about 
> the fact there’s a boom microphone and you need great battery life then the 
> plantronics voyager pro legend is the way to go.  Hands down the plastrons 
> works the best it’s just whether your concern is mostly function or you want 
> some style.
> 
> How’s that?
> 
> BTW I use the voyager pro legend almost exclusively now although I carry 
> both.  I find the plantronics just more stable and for my professional calls 
> and work environment the only option.
> 
> 
>> On Mar 18, 2016, at 2:53 AM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> hello; I'm wanting to buy a blue tooth headset to go with my iPhone. my 
>> brother said that when he looked online he heard that a lot of them don't 
>> work with the iPhone. so what would you all recommend? I may just need the 
>> headphones because today i did a Skype call using my iPhone and the guy was 
>> really impressed with the quality. thanks for your help, max 
>> 
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Re: blue tooth headsets

[Alex Hall]

Trekz (that's t r e k z) Titanium is the newest model, and I love it. The feel 
is far better to me, not only in terms of quality, but in fit. My head is a bit 
too large for the Bluez, but the Trekz fits very well. My current problem with 
it is software, and not one I've heard others talk about, so I think I just got 
a lemon. Once I can get it working, it'll be much better than the Bluez. To my 
ears, the sound leaks no more than it would on standard over-ear headphones, 
and the sound quality is different from the Bluez, but not bad. The mic works 
reasonably well, too. Not amazing, but you can be heard on phone calls.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 21, 2016, at 09:39, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I absolutely swear by mine, yes.  OK, there may be a little bit of leakage, 
> but they're bone induction, so give them some credit.  You're never gonna 
> *totally!* get rid of that.  Compared to the 1st generation though, the Bluez 
> 2S model is really great, and has improved this quite significantly.
> 
> As for the newer model, I think it's called the Treck? Don't quote me on that 
> title though, it's only available in selected markets from what I understand, 
> but I hear it is unbelievable.  I've never seen one though, so I can't really 
> comment.  Knowing though what I do about their products, I'd strongly 
> recommend trying it.
> 
> The only thing really that I would say I have totally against Aftershokz, is 
> though their customer service is great in general, don't expect them to keep 
> their promises in a timely manor!
> 
> When I broke my tention band strap, they said they'd send me a replacement, 
> which yes, they did, but oh what a mes!  First, they said they'd send it 
> over-night, and wouldn't charge me for it, nor shipping, which of course, 
> they didn't, but over night turned into about a month and a half before I got 
> the dad blame thing.  And when I did, it was the wrong strap.  I was so angry 
> for the wait, and for the time it took, I sent them photos of the wrong strap 
> they sent, and photos of my broken strap, and demanded that they over-night 
> it again correctly, and not delay things.
> 
> They not only told me the unit had been shipped out, but they even went so 
> far as to tell me it was estimated to arrive in half a week, which I later 
> determined that they not even shipped it to start with, let alone knew the 
> delivery date.  Once I got a rep on the phone to spill that confession, I 
> asked for a supervisor to call me back.  I told them if I didn't hear back 
> within 24 hours max, I'd be putting a bad review up on my blog, Amazon, their 
> own web site, etc.
> 
> This time, they complied.  Within about half a day, I heard from a manager.  
> Though very very short and terse with me, you could tell he didn't want to be 
> in this position, he asked what could be done to make things right.  I told 
> him, I only have the 1st generation headset.  Send me the 2nd gen on the 
> house over-nighted.  No charge to me at all for shipping, nor for the actual 
> headset itself.  He was very hesitant, but he did it.
> 
> Granted, I didn't get it over night as he promised.  It took about 3 weeks.
> 
> My point being, you'd be better off buying their stuff through Amazon, or a 
> 3rd party reseller.  The products themselves are steller!  Absolutely killer! 
>  I'd never ask for anythying else, but that said, their phone support is 
> absolutely horrible, and frankly, I'd not trust those guys there at the 
> headquarters call center as far as I could throw 'em.
> 
> Still though, don't let that turn you off from the product itself.  And, if 
> you ever did need a replacement, or something, I never said the people there 
> wouldn't help you.  They will, but just know, it won't be quick, that's for 
> sure.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 7:35 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: blue tooth headsets
> 
> I always forget about that option.  I’veneer tried them as i’ve heard about 
> issues with build quality and the like but it may be worth considering.  
> Sounds like you like yours.
> 
>> On Mar 20, 2016, at 6:17 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Why not look into the Aftershokz lineup?  I swear by mine!
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
>> - Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" 
>> <sc...@qualit

Re: blue tooth headsets

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

When did you call them to have that done?  I don't know why I always seem to be 
the bad luck of the draw, but I don't doubt you.

that was my experience, but perhaps others will have better luck, as you did.  
I'm not trying to bash them.  I'm simply just stating the experience I had.  If 
others have had better luck, then that's awesome!
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kawal Gucukoglu 
  To: Macvisionaries 
  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:30 PM
  Subject: Re: blue tooth headsets


  Hello Chris.


  I live in the UK and I praise Aftershokz Customer Service.  When my blues 2 
was broken, I sent them back after calling them and in a matter of days got a 
replacement.  This was before the Bluez Sports S came on to the market.


  Kawal.

On 21 Mar 2016, at 13:39, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


I absolutely swear by mine, yes.  OK, there may be a little bit of leakage, 
but they're bone induction, so give them some credit.  You're never gonna 
*totally!* get rid of that.  Compared to the 1st generation though, the Bluez 
2S model is really great, and has improved this quite significantly.

As for the newer model, I think it's called the Treck? Don't quote me on 
that title though, it's only available in selected markets from what I 
understand, but I hear it is unbelievable.  I've never seen one though, so I 
can't really comment.  Knowing though what I do about their products, I'd 
strongly recommend trying it.

The only thing really that I would say I have totally against Aftershokz, 
is though their customer service is great in general, don't expect them to keep 
their promises in a timely manor!

When I broke my tention band strap, they said they'd send me a replacement, 
which yes, they did, but oh what a mes!  First, they said they'd send it 
over-night, and wouldn't charge me for it, nor shipping, which of course, they 
didn't, but over night turned into about a month and a half before I got the 
dad blame thing.  And when I did, it was the wrong strap.  I was so angry for 
the wait, and for the time it took, I sent them photos of the wrong strap they 
sent, and photos of my broken strap, and demanded that they over-night it again 
correctly, and not delay things.

They not only told me the unit had been shipped out, but they even went so 
far as to tell me it was estimated to arrive in half a week, which I later 
determined that they not even shipped it to start with, let alone knew the 
delivery date.  Once I got a rep on the phone to spill that confession, I asked 
for a supervisor to call me back.  I told them if I didn't hear back within 24 
hours max, I'd be putting a bad review up on my blog, Amazon, their own web 
site, etc.

This time, they complied.  Within about half a day, I heard from a manager. 
 Though very very short and terse with me, you could tell he didn't want to be 
in this position, he asked what could be done to make things right.  I told 
him, I only have the 1st generation headset.  Send me the 2nd gen on the house 
over-nighted.  No charge to me at all for shipping, nor for the actual headset 
itself.  He was very hesitant, but he did it.

Granted, I didn't get it over night as he promised.  It took about 3 weeks.

My point being, you'd be better off buying their stuff through Amazon, or a 
3rd party reseller.  The products themselves are steller!  Absolutely killer!  
I'd never ask for anythying else, but that said, their phone support is 
absolutely horrible, and frankly, I'd not trust those guys there at the 
headquarters call center as far as I could throw 'em.

Still though, don't let that turn you off from the product itself.  And, if 
you ever did need a replacement, or something, I never said the people there 
wouldn't help you.  They will, but just know, it won't be quick, that's for 
sure.

Chris.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 7:35 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: blue tooth headsets

I always forget about that option.  I’veneer tried them as i’ve heard about 
issues with build quality and the like but it may be worth considering.  Sounds 
like you like yours.


  On Mar 20, 2016, at 6:17 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Why not look into the Aftershokz lineup?  I swear by mine!
  ---
  Christopher Gilland
  JAWS Certified, 2016.
  Training Instructor.

  clgillan...@gmail.com
  Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
  - Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" 
  <sc...@qualityip.net>
  To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
  Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 5:1

Re: blue tooth headsets

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hello Chris.

I live in the UK and I praise Aftershokz Customer Service.  When my blues 2 was 
broken, I sent them back after calling them and in a matter of days got a 
replacement.  This was before the Bluez Sports S came on to the market.

Kawal.
> On 21 Mar 2016, at 13:39, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I absolutely swear by mine, yes.  OK, there may be a little bit of leakage, 
> but they're bone induction, so give them some credit.  You're never gonna 
> *totally!* get rid of that.  Compared to the 1st generation though, the Bluez 
> 2S model is really great, and has improved this quite significantly.
> 
> As for the newer model, I think it's called the Treck? Don't quote me on that 
> title though, it's only available in selected markets from what I understand, 
> but I hear it is unbelievable.  I've never seen one though, so I can't really 
> comment.  Knowing though what I do about their products, I'd strongly 
> recommend trying it.
> 
> The only thing really that I would say I have totally against Aftershokz, is 
> though their customer service is great in general, don't expect them to keep 
> their promises in a timely manor!
> 
> When I broke my tention band strap, they said they'd send me a replacement, 
> which yes, they did, but oh what a mes!  First, they said they'd send it 
> over-night, and wouldn't charge me for it, nor shipping, which of course, 
> they didn't, but over night turned into about a month and a half before I got 
> the dad blame thing.  And when I did, it was the wrong strap.  I was so angry 
> for the wait, and for the time it took, I sent them photos of the wrong strap 
> they sent, and photos of my broken strap, and demanded that they over-night 
> it again correctly, and not delay things.
> 
> They not only told me the unit had been shipped out, but they even went so 
> far as to tell me it was estimated to arrive in half a week, which I later 
> determined that they not even shipped it to start with, let alone knew the 
> delivery date.  Once I got a rep on the phone to spill that confession, I 
> asked for a supervisor to call me back.  I told them if I didn't hear back 
> within 24 hours max, I'd be putting a bad review up on my blog, Amazon, their 
> own web site, etc.
> 
> This time, they complied.  Within about half a day, I heard from a manager.  
> Though very very short and terse with me, you could tell he didn't want to be 
> in this position, he asked what could be done to make things right.  I told 
> him, I only have the 1st generation headset.  Send me the 2nd gen on the 
> house over-nighted.  No charge to me at all for shipping, nor for the actual 
> headset itself.  He was very hesitant, but he did it.
> 
> Granted, I didn't get it over night as he promised.  It took about 3 weeks.
> 
> My point being, you'd be better off buying their stuff through Amazon, or a 
> 3rd party reseller.  The products themselves are steller!  Absolutely killer! 
>  I'd never ask for anythying else, but that said, their phone support is 
> absolutely horrible, and frankly, I'd not trust those guys there at the 
> headquarters call center as far as I could throw 'em.
> 
> Still though, don't let that turn you off from the product itself.  And, if 
> you ever did need a replacement, or something, I never said the people there 
> wouldn't help you.  They will, but just know, it won't be quick, that's for 
> sure.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 7:35 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: blue tooth headsets
> 
> I always forget about that option.  I’veneer tried them as i’ve heard about 
> issues with build quality and the like but it may be worth considering.  
> Sounds like you like yours.
> 
>> On Mar 20, 2016, at 6:17 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Why not look into the Aftershokz lineup?  I swear by mine!
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
>> - Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" 
>> <sc...@qualityip.net>
>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 5:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: blue tooth headsets
>> 
>> 
>> Yes, the edge is still the best headset in my opinion.  It amazes me how 
>> long both headsets have been out with no replacement.
>> 
>>> On Mar 19, 2016, at 8:50 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@bli

RE: blue tooth headsets

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I absolutely swear by mine, yes.  OK, there may be a little bit of leakage, but 
they're bone induction, so give them some credit.  You're never gonna 
*totally!* get rid of that.  Compared to the 1st generation though, the Bluez 
2S model is really great, and has improved this quite significantly.

As for the newer model, I think it's called the Treck? Don't quote me on that 
title though, it's only available in selected markets from what I understand, 
but I hear it is unbelievable.  I've never seen one though, so I can't really 
comment.  Knowing though what I do about their products, I'd strongly recommend 
trying it.

The only thing really that I would say I have totally against Aftershokz, is 
though their customer service is great in general, don't expect them to keep 
their promises in a timely manor!

When I broke my tention band strap, they said they'd send me a replacement, 
which yes, they did, but oh what a mes!  First, they said they'd send it 
over-night, and wouldn't charge me for it, nor shipping, which of course, they 
didn't, but over night turned into about a month and a half before I got the 
dad blame thing.  And when I did, it was the wrong strap.  I was so angry for 
the wait, and for the time it took, I sent them photos of the wrong strap they 
sent, and photos of my broken strap, and demanded that they over-night it again 
correctly, and not delay things.

They not only told me the unit had been shipped out, but they even went so far 
as to tell me it was estimated to arrive in half a week, which I later 
determined that they not even shipped it to start with, let alone knew the 
delivery date.  Once I got a rep on the phone to spill that confession, I asked 
for a supervisor to call me back.  I told them if I didn't hear back within 24 
hours max, I'd be putting a bad review up on my blog, Amazon, their own web 
site, etc.

This time, they complied.  Within about half a day, I heard from a manager.  
Though very very short and terse with me, you could tell he didn't want to be 
in this position, he asked what could be done to make things right.  I told 
him, I only have the 1st generation headset.  Send me the 2nd gen on the house 
over-nighted.  No charge to me at all for shipping, nor for the actual headset 
itself.  He was very hesitant, but he did it.

Granted, I didn't get it over night as he promised.  It took about 3 weeks.

My point being, you'd be better off buying their stuff through Amazon, or a 3rd 
party reseller.  The products themselves are steller!  Absolutely killer!  I'd 
never ask for anythying else, but that said, their phone support is absolutely 
horrible, and frankly, I'd not trust those guys there at the headquarters call 
center as far as I could throw 'em.

Still though, don't let that turn you off from the product itself.  And, if you 
ever did need a replacement, or something, I never said the people there 
wouldn't help you.  They will, but just know, it won't be quick, that's for 
sure.

Chris.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 7:35 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: blue tooth headsets

I always forget about that option.  I’veneer tried them as i’ve heard about 
issues with build quality and the like but it may be worth considering.  Sounds 
like you like yours.

> On Mar 20, 2016, at 6:17 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Why not look into the Aftershokz lineup?  I swear by mine!
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
> 
> clgillan...@gmail.com
> Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
> - Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" 
> <sc...@qualityip.net>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 5:19 PM
> Subject: Re: blue tooth headsets
> 
> 
> Yes, the edge is still the best headset in my opinion.  It amazes me how long 
> both headsets have been out with no replacement.
> 
>> On Mar 19, 2016, at 8:50 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Scott,
>> 
>> I've not tried the Plantronics legend but know it was a great device 
>> back in  the day,
>> 
>> Would you still put it above the Edge?
>> 
>> 
>> And I used one of the early era devices but at that point it's 
>> accessibility wasn't great. Still it was an excellent device, I just need to 
>> stop being so hard on headsets.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2016 4:53 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: blue tooth headsets
>> 
>> Max, your broth

Re: blue tooth headsets

[Scott Granados]

I always forget about that option.  I’veneer tried them as i’ve heard about 
issues with build quality and the like but it may be worth considering.  Sounds 
like you like yours.

> On Mar 20, 2016, at 6:17 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Why not look into the Aftershokz lineup?  I swear by mine!
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
> 
> clgillan...@gmail.com
> Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
> - Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" <sc...@qualityip.net>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 5:19 PM
> Subject: Re: blue tooth headsets
> 
> 
> Yes, the edge is still the best headset in my opinion.  It amazes me how long 
> both headsets have been out with no replacement.
> 
>> On Mar 19, 2016, at 8:50 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Scott,
>> 
>> I've not tried the Plantronics legend but know it was a great device back in 
>>  the day,
>> 
>> Would you still put it above the Edge?
>> 
>> 
>> And I used one of the early era devices but at that point it's accessibility 
>> wasn't great. Still it was an excellent device,
>> I just need to stop being so hard on headsets.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2016 4:53 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: blue tooth headsets
>> 
>> Max, your brother is misinformed.  Bluetooth is a series of specifications 
>> that are standardized so aside some special features in general most things 
>> work pretty well with each other.  There are headsets in general though that 
>> work better than others.  This is one of the favorite topics of mine and 
>> also the moderator’s Mark I believe.
>> 
>> In my mind there are two ways to go and there have been the 2 same players 
>> on top for a while now.  There is the plantronics legend and the era by 
>> jawbone.  The Jawbone is the most stylish / smallest headset and the 
>> plantronics is the largest most utilitarian of the two.  Depends on what 
>> your goal is.  If you want to look cool, have good noise reduction, medium 
>> battery life and have the same toys as the cool kids buy a Jawbone.  If you 
>> want your headset to work in all conditions, want fantastic noise reduction, 
>> don’t care about the fact there’s a boom microphone and you need great 
>> battery life then the plantronics voyager pro legend is the way to go.  
>> Hands down the plastrons works the best it’s just whether your concern is 
>> mostly function or you want some style.
>> 
>> How’s that?
>> 
>> BTW I use the voyager pro legend almost exclusively now although I carry 
>> both.  I find the plantronics just more stable and for my professional calls 
>> and work environment the only option.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 18, 2016, at 2:53 AM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> hello; I'm wanting to buy a blue tooth headset to go with my iPhone. my 
>>> brother said that when he looked online he heard that a lot of them don't 
>>> work with the iPhone. so what would you all recommend? I may just need the 
>>> headphones because today i did a Skype call using my iPhone and the guy was 
>>> really impressed with the quality. thanks for your help, max
>>> 
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Re: blue tooth headsets

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Why not look into the Aftershokz lineup?  I swear by mine!
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Granados" <sc...@qualityip.net>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: blue tooth headsets


Yes, the edge is still the best headset in my opinion.  It amazes me how 
long both headsets have been out with no replacement.



On Mar 19, 2016, at 8:50 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

Scott,

I've not tried the Plantronics legend but know it was a great device back 
in  the day,


Would you still put it above the Edge?


And I used one of the early era devices but at that point it's 
accessibility wasn't great. Still it was an excellent device,

I just need to stop being so hard on headsets.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados

Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2016 4:53 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: blue tooth headsets

Max, your brother is misinformed.  Bluetooth is a series of specifications 
that are standardized so aside some special features in general most 
things work pretty well with each other.  There are headsets in general 
though that work better than others.  This is one of the favorite topics 
of mine and also the moderator’s Mark I believe.


In my mind there are two ways to go and there have been the 2 same players 
on top for a while now.  There is the plantronics legend and the era by 
jawbone.  The Jawbone is the most stylish / smallest headset and the 
plantronics is the largest most utilitarian of the two.  Depends on what 
your goal is.  If you want to look cool, have good noise reduction, medium 
battery life and have the same toys as the cool kids buy a Jawbone.  If 
you want your headset to work in all conditions, want fantastic noise 
reduction, don’t care about the fact there’s a boom microphone and you 
need great battery life then the plantronics voyager pro legend is the way 
to go.  Hands down the plastrons works the best it’s just whether your 
concern is mostly function or you want some style.


How’s that?

BTW I use the voyager pro legend almost exclusively now although I carry 
both.  I find the plantronics just more stable and for my professional 
calls and work environment the only option.



On Mar 18, 2016, at 2:53 AM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:


hello; I'm wanting to buy a blue tooth headset to go with my iPhone. my 
brother said that when he looked online he heard that a lot of them don't 
work with the iPhone. so what would you all recommend? I may just need 
the headphones because today i did a Skype call using my iPhone and the 
guy was really impressed with the quality. thanks for your help, max


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[Scott Granados]

Yes, the edge is still the best headset in my opinion.  It amazes me how long 
both headsets have been out with no replacement.

> On Mar 19, 2016, at 8:50 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> 
> I've not tried the Plantronics legend but know it was a great device back in  
> the day,
> 
> Would you still put it above the Edge?
> 
> 
> And I used one of the early era devices but at that point it's accessibility 
> wasn't great. Still it was an excellent device, 
> I just need to stop being so hard on headsets.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2016 4:53 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: blue tooth headsets
> 
> Max, your brother is misinformed.  Bluetooth is a series of specifications 
> that are standardized so aside some special features in general most things 
> work pretty well with each other.  There are headsets in general though that 
> work better than others.  This is one of the favorite topics of mine and also 
> the moderator’s Mark I believe.
> 
> In my mind there are two ways to go and there have been the 2 same players on 
> top for a while now.  There is the plantronics legend and the era by jawbone. 
>  The Jawbone is the most stylish / smallest headset and the plantronics is 
> the largest most utilitarian of the two.  Depends on what your goal is.  If 
> you want to look cool, have good noise reduction, medium battery life and 
> have the same toys as the cool kids buy a Jawbone.  If you want your headset 
> to work in all conditions, want fantastic noise reduction, don’t care about 
> the fact there’s a boom microphone and you need great battery life then the 
> plantronics voyager pro legend is the way to go.  Hands down the plastrons 
> works the best it’s just whether your concern is mostly function or you want 
> some style.
> 
> How’s that?
> 
> BTW I use the voyager pro legend almost exclusively now although I carry 
> both.  I find the plantronics just more stable and for my professional calls 
> and work environment the only option.
> 
> 
>> On Mar 18, 2016, at 2:53 AM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> hello; I'm wanting to buy a blue tooth headset to go with my iPhone. my 
>> brother said that when he looked online he heard that a lot of them don't 
>> work with the iPhone. so what would you all recommend? I may just need the 
>> headphones because today i did a Skype call using my iPhone and the guy was 
>> really impressed with the quality. thanks for your help, max 
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Re: blue tooth headsets

[jaan ali]

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I think voiger edge is better 
> On 19-Mar-2016, at 8:50 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> 
> I've not tried the Plantronics legend but know it was a great device back in  
> the day,
> 
> Would you still put it above the Edge?
> 
> 
> And I used one of the early era devices but at that point it's accessibility 
> wasn't great. Still it was an excellent device, 
> I just need to stop being so hard on headsets.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2016 4:53 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: blue tooth headsets
> 
> Max, your brother is misinformed.  Bluetooth is a series of specifications 
> that are standardized so aside some special features in general most things 
> work pretty well with each other.  There are headsets in general though that 
> work better than others.  This is one of the favorite topics of mine and also 
> the moderator’s Mark I believe.
> 
> In my mind there are two ways to go and there have been the 2 same players on 
> top for a while now.  There is the plantronics legend and the era by jawbone. 
>  The Jawbone is the most stylish / smallest headset and the plantronics is 
> the largest most utilitarian of the two.  Depends on what your goal is.  If 
> you want to look cool, have good noise reduction, medium battery life and 
> have the same toys as the cool kids buy a Jawbone.  If you want your headset 
> to work in all conditions, want fantastic noise reduction, don’t care about 
> the fact there’s a boom microphone and you need great battery life then the 
> plantronics voyager pro legend is the way to go.  Hands down the plastrons 
> works the best it’s just whether your concern is mostly function or you want 
> some style.
> 
> How’s that?
> 
> BTW I use the voyager pro legend almost exclusively now although I carry 
> both.  I find the plantronics just more stable and for my professional calls 
> and work environment the only option.
> 
> 
>> On Mar 18, 2016, at 2:53 AM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
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>> hello; I'm wanting to buy a blue tooth headset to go with my iPhone. my 
>> brother said that when he looked online he heard that a lot of them don't 
>> work with the iPhone. so what would you all recommend? I may just need the 
>> headphones because today i did a Skype call using my iPhone and the guy was 
>> really impressed with the quality. thanks for your help, max 
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Re: blue tooth headsets

[Alex Hall]

Volume is subjective based on many factors, but at full blast I can hear the 
Aftershokz over traffic. I'm not in a city as busy as yours, though. As to 
sound leaking, they've done a lot of work in that area lately. The new Trekz 
and Bluez are supposed to practically eliminate the problem, but I have yet to 
test that claim. I hear it's much better than it was, though. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 18, 2016, at 15:31, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> The problem I have with the Aftershokz stuff is that first it leaks like a 
> sieve, and secondly they aren’t very loud.  They’re good for the TTS if you 
> turn the volume up, but a lot of recordings at normal levels just won’t go 
> that loud even if you’ve used iTunes to bump up the playback volume.  And 
> that’s important if you’re in London with lots of howling traffic.  Of course 
> the obvious countermeasure to this problem, that of plugging your ears, is 
> just as dangerous as turning the volume right up.
> 
> So I’m also wondering where to go from here, except it probably won’t be 
> Aftershokz—or if it is, it won’t be Aftershokz Sport.
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RE: blue tooth headsets

[Simon Fogarty]

Scott,

I've not tried the Plantronics legend but know it was a great device back in  
the day,

Would you still put it above the Edge?


And I used one of the early era devices but at that point it's accessibility 
wasn't great. Still it was an excellent device, 
I just need to stop being so hard on headsets.

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2016 4:53 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: blue tooth headsets

Max, your brother is misinformed.  Bluetooth is a series of specifications that 
are standardized so aside some special features in general most things work 
pretty well with each other.  There are headsets in general though that work 
better than others.  This is one of the favorite topics of mine and also the 
moderator’s Mark I believe.

In my mind there are two ways to go and there have been the 2 same players on 
top for a while now.  There is the plantronics legend and the era by jawbone.  
The Jawbone is the most stylish / smallest headset and the plantronics is the 
largest most utilitarian of the two.  Depends on what your goal is.  If you 
want to look cool, have good noise reduction, medium battery life and have the 
same toys as the cool kids buy a Jawbone.  If you want your headset to work in 
all conditions, want fantastic noise reduction, don’t care about the fact 
there’s a boom microphone and you need great battery life then the plantronics 
voyager pro legend is the way to go.  Hands down the plastrons works the best 
it’s just whether your concern is mostly function or you want some style.

How’s that?

BTW I use the voyager pro legend almost exclusively now although I carry both.  
I find the plantronics just more stable and for my professional calls and work 
environment the only option.


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> brother said that when he looked online he heard that a lot of them don't 
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> headphones because today i did a Skype call using my iPhone and the guy was 
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Re: blue tooth headsets

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

The problem I have with the Aftershokz stuff is that first it leaks like a 
sieve, and secondly they aren’t very loud.  They’re good for the TTS if you 
turn the volume up, but a lot of recordings at normal levels just won’t go that 
loud even if you’ve used iTunes to bump up the playback volume.  And that’s 
important if you’re in London with lots of howling traffic.  Of course the 
obvious countermeasure to this problem, that of plugging your ears, is just as 
dangerous as turning the volume right up.

So I’m also wondering where to go from here, except it probably won’t be 
Aftershokz—or if it is, it won’t be Aftershokz Sport.

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Re: blue tooth headsets

['Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries]

well i would rather not be the test pilot for them it seems everyone has 
aftershokz as their first choice. what kind of money am i looking at for a 
pair. my brother is going to check for me later. thanks max 
On Mar 18, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

> Volume is subjective based on many factors, but at full blast I can hear the 
> Aftershokz over traffic. I'm not in a city as busy as yours, though. As to 
> sound leaking, they've done a lot of work in that area lately. The new Trekz 
> and Bluez are supposed to practically eliminate the problem, but I have yet 
> to test that claim. I hear it's much better than it was, though. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Mar 18, 2016, at 15:31, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> The problem I have with the Aftershokz stuff is that first it leaks like a 
>> sieve, and secondly they aren’t very loud.  They’re good for the TTS if you 
>> turn the volume up, but a lot of recordings at normal levels just won’t go 
>> that loud even if you’ve used iTunes to bump up the playback volume.  And 
>> that’s important if you’re in London with lots of howling traffic.  Of 
>> course the obvious countermeasure to this problem, that of plugging your 
>> ears, is just as dangerous as turning the volume right up.
>> 
>> So I’m also wondering where to go from here, except it probably won’t be 
>> Aftershokz—or if it is, it won’t be Aftershokz Sport.
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Re: blue tooth headsets

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I stick with the Aftershokz Bluez sports, the latest headphones in that range.  
I can’t wear bluetooth ear pieces as my ears are too small so for me right now, 
these aftershokz are ideal due to my ears being so small.  Light weight and 
comfortable to wear all day and improved in the weather.

Thanks.

Kawal.
> On 19 Mar 2016, at 15:58, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I’ve heard less than positive things about them so have stayed away from 
> them.  Also they don’t sound like they would be particularly high fidelity to 
> me but that could be just me being picky.  
> 
> 
>> On Mar 18, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Krister Ekstrom  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve just bought myself an Aftershokz Bluez 2S headset and wonder if i’ve 
>> made a mistake. The reviews in the blind community aren’t so good. Some say 
>> they are uncomfortable and that they break and the sound isn’t good and so 
>> on which makes me wonder what i’ve done.
>> /Krister
>> 
>>> 18 mars 2016 kl. 20:31 skrev Sabahattin Gucukoglu :
>>> 
>>> The problem I have with the Aftershokz stuff is that first it leaks like a 
>>> sieve, and secondly they aren’t very loud.  They’re good for the TTS if you 
>>> turn the volume up, but a lot of recordings at normal levels just won’t go 
>>> that loud even if you’ve used iTunes to bump up the playback volume.  And 
>>> that’s important if you’re in London with lots of howling traffic.  Of 
>>> course the obvious countermeasure to this problem, that of plugging your 
>>> ears, is just as dangerous as turning the volume right up.
>>> 
>>> So I’m also wondering where to go from here, except it probably won’t be 
>>> Aftershokz—or if it is, it won’t be Aftershokz Sport.
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Re: blue tooth headsets

[Scott Granados]

I’ve heard less than positive things about them so have stayed away from them.  
Also they don’t sound like they would be particularly high fidelity to me but 
that could be just me being picky.  


> On Mar 18, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Krister Ekstrom  
> wrote:
> 
> I’ve just bought myself an Aftershokz Bluez 2S headset and wonder if i’ve 
> made a mistake. The reviews in the blind community aren’t so good. Some say 
> they are uncomfortable and that they break and the sound isn’t good and so on 
> which makes me wonder what i’ve done.
> /Krister
> 
>> 18 mars 2016 kl. 20:31 skrev Sabahattin Gucukoglu :
>> 
>> The problem I have with the Aftershokz stuff is that first it leaks like a 
>> sieve, and secondly they aren’t very loud.  They’re good for the TTS if you 
>> turn the volume up, but a lot of recordings at normal levels just won’t go 
>> that loud even if you’ve used iTunes to bump up the playback volume.  And 
>> that’s important if you’re in London with lots of howling traffic.  Of 
>> course the obvious countermeasure to this problem, that of plugging your 
>> ears, is just as dangerous as turning the volume right up.
>> 
>> So I’m also wondering where to go from here, except it probably won’t be 
>> Aftershokz—or if it is, it won’t be Aftershokz Sport.
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Re: blue tooth headsets

[Scott Granados]

A jawbone might not be a bad option because it doesn’t obscure your 
environmental sounds that badly and it’s got a pretty focused audio 
distribution pattern so you can jack up the audio and still get outside sounds 
mixed in if you’re good at multitasking audio.  Might not work but just a 
thought.

> On Mar 18, 2016, at 3:31 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> The problem I have with the Aftershokz stuff is that first it leaks like a 
> sieve, and secondly they aren’t very loud.  They’re good for the TTS if you 
> turn the volume up, but a lot of recordings at normal levels just won’t go 
> that loud even if you’ve used iTunes to bump up the playback volume.  And 
> that’s important if you’re in London with lots of howling traffic.  Of course 
> the obvious countermeasure to this problem, that of plugging your ears, is 
> just as dangerous as turning the volume right up.
> 
> So I’m also wondering where to go from here, except it probably won’t be 
> Aftershokz—or if it is, it won’t be Aftershokz Sport.
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Re: blue tooth headsets

[Scott Granados]

It pairs up to 8 and is another great suggestion.  I would suggest the edge 
especially to people who wear glasses because it does not require a behind the 
ear loop or mount.  The noise reduction is better than the jawbone but not 
quite as good as the legend but very very good.  All these options also support 
A2DP.

> On Mar 18, 2016, at 5:03 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi Max,
> 
> Do yo u want something to go over head covering both ears or just one ear?
> 
> If just one ear, I'd recommend the Plantronics voyager edge,
> 
> I've had one now a couple of months and It's great, excelant battery life and 
> great quality sound plus it allows for multiple devices I think it's up to 8 
> but I've only got 4 synched at the moment.
> 
> 
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> brother said that when he looked online he heard that a lot of them don't 
> work with the iPhone. so what would you all recommend? I may just need the 
> headphones because today i did a Skype call using my iPhone and the guy was 
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Re: blue tooth headsets

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Max, your brother is misinformed.  Bluetooth is a series of specifications that 
are standardized so aside some special features in general most things work 
pretty well with each other.  There are headsets in general though that work 
better than others.  This is one of the favorite topics of mine and also the 
moderator’s Mark I believe.

In my mind there are two ways to go and there have been the 2 same players on 
top for a while now.  There is the plantronics legend and the era by jawbone.  
The Jawbone is the most stylish / smallest headset and the plantronics is the 
largest most utilitarian of the two.  Depends on what your goal is.  If you 
want to look cool, have good noise reduction, medium battery life and have the 
same toys as the cool kids buy a Jawbone.  If you want your headset to work in 
all conditions, want fantastic noise reduction, don’t care about the fact 
there’s a boom microphone and you need great battery life then the plantronics 
voyager pro legend is the way to go.  Hands down the plastrons works the best 
it’s just whether your concern is mostly function or you want some style.

How’s that?

BTW I use the voyager pro legend almost exclusively now although I carry both.  
I find the plantronics just more stable and for my professional calls and work 
environment the only option.


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Re: blue tooth headsets

['Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries]

thanks sherry; I'm almost as excited for my brother to try them as i am for me. 
i mean if it would allow him to hear so much better maybe we could get a 
microphone he could hear on his headphones. thanks max 
On Mar 18, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cheree Heppe wrote:

> Cheree Heppe here:
> I use Aftershocks bone conduction earphones and haven used other headsets 
> since.
> 
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Mar 18, 2016, at 09:27, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
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>> thanks will have to tell my brother patrick about that. i heard a few years 
>> ago that sony was going to come out with an walkman for swimmers using this 
>> idea. didn't know it worked and that people are using it in headphones. 
>> thanks max 
>>> On Mar 18, 2016, at 6:59 AM, William Gallik wrote:
>>> 
>>> Bone induction is the process of transferring sound to the audio processing 
>>> portion of your brain through as a bone in your face rather than through 
>>> your eardrums. It works extremely well; I have a severe hearing loss in my 
>>> right here and yet when I use bone in duction your phones I hear perfectly 
>>> well on the right side as on the left!
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Re: blue tooth headsets

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thanks for the information but what is bone induction? thanks max 
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> I would go with the Aftershokz line. They're bone induction headsets, and 
> I've loved mine and heard nothing but rave reviews about them. Their support 
> is iffy, but the products themselves are bloody phenomenal.
> 
> Ben
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Re: blue tooth headsets

[Ben J. Bloomgren]

I would go with the Aftershokz line. They're bone induction headsets, and 
I've loved mine and heard nothing but rave reviews about them. Their support 
is iffy, but the products themselves are bloody phenomenal.


Ben
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Re: blue tooth headsets

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Right, OK, so what’s the better of the Aftershokz headsets, then?  If not the 
Bluez 2 then what?

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Re: blue tooth headsets

[Krister Ekstrom]

I’ve just bought myself an Aftershokz Bluez 2S headset and wonder if i’ve made 
a mistake. The reviews in the blind community aren’t so good. Some say they are 
uncomfortable and that they break and the sound isn’t good and so on which 
makes me wonder what i’ve done.
/Krister

> 18 mars 2016 kl. 20:31 skrev Sabahattin Gucukoglu :
> 
> The problem I have with the Aftershokz stuff is that first it leaks like a 
> sieve, and secondly they aren’t very loud.  They’re good for the TTS if you 
> turn the volume up, but a lot of recordings at normal levels just won’t go 
> that loud even if you’ve used iTunes to bump up the playback volume.  And 
> that’s important if you’re in London with lots of howling traffic.  Of course 
> the obvious countermeasure to this problem, that of plugging your ears, is 
> just as dangerous as turning the volume right up.
> 
> So I’m also wondering where to go from here, except it probably won’t be 
> Aftershokz—or if it is, it won’t be Aftershokz Sport.
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RE: blue tooth headsets

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Max,

 Do yo u want something to go over head covering both ears or just one ear?

 If just one ear, I'd recommend the Plantronics voyager edge,

 I've had one now a couple of months and It's great, excelant battery life and 
great quality sound plus it allows for multiple devices I think it's up to 8 
but I've only got 4 synched at the moment.



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Re: blue tooth headsets

[Cheree Heppe]

Cheree Heppe here:
I use Aftershocks bone conduction earphones and haven used other headsets since.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 18, 2016, at 09:27, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
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> thanks will have to tell my brother patrick about that. i heard a few years 
> ago that sony was going to come out with an walkman for swimmers using this 
> idea. didn't know it worked and that people are using it in headphones. 
> thanks max 
>> On Mar 18, 2016, at 6:59 AM, William Gallik wrote:
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>> Bone induction is the process of transferring sound to the audio processing 
>> portion of your brain through as a bone in your face rather than through 
>> your eardrums. It works extremely well; I have a severe hearing loss in my 
>> right here and yet when I use bone in duction your phones I hear perfectly 
>> well on the right side as on the left!
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Re: blue tooth headsets

[William Gallik]

Bone induction is the process of transferring sound to the audio processing 
portion of your brain through as a bone in your face rather than through your 
eardrums. It works extremely well; I have a severe hearing loss in my right 
here and yet when I use bone in duction your phones I hear perfectly well on 
the right side as on the left!

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Re: blue tooth headsets

[Eileen Scrivani]

Hi, 

I bought a pair of the After Shocks, while the sound isn’t bad, its not exactly 
great either.  I suppose the one thing I like about them is they don’t sit on 
the ear so you can hear other things going on around you and if its hot you 
don’t have the cups right on your ears.  On the other hand, that same thing not 
being on/over the ears lets you hear background noise when listening, say to an 
audio book.  If the contact of the headphone piece isn’t situated just so on 
the bone of your face it can also impact the sound and ability to hear.  They 
are light weight and travel nicely.. 

The other thing about the After Shocks headphones that I really dislike is 
having to charge them up to use them.  And there is not a way to know how much 
charge is left.

The headphones I really love are my Bose over-head noise cancelling.  Sound 
quality is fantastic and blocks out a lot of background noise.  On the negative 
side they are larger and difficult if your traveling and trying to keep things 
light.  There is a higher price tag associated with them, but Bose is great 
quality.

HTH.

Eileen 

From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
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Subject: Re: blue tooth headsets

well i would rather not be the test pilot for them it seems everyone has 
aftershokz as their first choice. what kind of money am i looking at for a 
pair. my brother is going to check for me later. thanks max 
On Mar 18, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

> Volume is subjective based on many factors, but at full blast I can hear the 
> Aftershokz over traffic. I'm not in a city as busy as yours, though. As to 
> sound leaking, they've done a lot of work in that area lately. The new Trekz 
> and Bluez are supposed to practically eliminate the problem, but I have yet 
> to test that claim. I hear it's much better than it was, though. 
> 
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>> On Mar 18, 2016, at 15:31, Sabahattin Gucukoglu <listse...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The problem I have with the Aftershokz stuff is that first it leaks like a 
>> sieve, and secondly they aren’t very loud.  They’re good for the TTS if you 
>> turn the volume up, but a lot of recordings at normal levels just won’t go 
>> that loud even if you’ve used iTunes to bump up the playback volume.  And 
>> that’s important if you’re in London with lots of howling traffic.  Of 
>> course the obvious countermeasure to this problem, that of plugging your 
>> ears, is just as dangerous as turning the volume right up.
>> 
>> So I’m also wondering where to go from here, except it probably won’t be 
>> Aftershokz—or if it is, it won’t be Aftershokz Sport.
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Re: blue tooth headsets

[Alex Hall]

I got the Titanium Trekz today. The sound leak is very much diminished, and 
sounds to my ears like what you'd expect of any headphones. They're very much 
lighter and more comfortable, too, and seem (initially) to be much more 
resilient. Of course, they aren't Bose or Senheisser, so don't expect awesome 
sound quality. They're meant to provide good sound while leaving your hands 
free and ears open, which they do quite well. Don't use them for monitoring 
music recording or losing yourself in audio--because they aren't made for 
that--and you should enjoy them.

What I don't like is the lack of a rewind control (but you can go forward) and 
the fact that they drop to phone-quality audio when you use the mic. That's not 
just for phone calls, it's dictation, Siri, or recording. But that's a 
limitation of bluetooth, not the fault of Aftershokz, as I understand it. I 
also haven't yet tested the mic, so I have no idea how it is compared to older 
models of this headset.
> On Mar 18, 2016, at 21:29, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> Right, OK, so what’s the better of the Aftershokz headsets, then?  If not the 
> Bluez 2 then what?
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Re: blue tooth headsets

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thanks will have to tell my brother patrick about that. i heard a few years ago 
that sony was going to come out with an walkman for swimmers using this idea. 
didn't know it worked and that people are using it in headphones. thanks max 
On Mar 18, 2016, at 6:59 AM, William Gallik wrote:

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Re: blue tooth headsets

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Well, all right, it can’t hurt to try it.  I ordered a pair of the Trek 
Titanium, and I’ll find some unlucky recipient of these Bluez 2.

I don’t expect it to be like proper cans (I have wired corded and Kleer 
cordless Sennheiser for indoor use) but I do want to be able to listen to my 
narrated audiobooks while outdoors.  I don’t trust Bluetooth for high-fidelity, 
for all the usual reasons.

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