Re: speaker on iPhone

2011-12-20 Thread Gigi
Hi guys.
Yes, I did tell Apple Care people, both of them, that I was using VoiceOver. 
It's real weird that you say that about this being a VoiceOver feature because 
my sighted husband, at least before he updated to IOS 5 was annoyed sometimes 
when the phone went to speaker phone when he didn't want it to. 

The only problem I have with Apple Care people not knowing about this is that, 
even if it's a transfer issue, they should get some people who can answer 
VoiceOver questions. The other thing was, when I asked the second person if 
this was in fact VoiceOver thing, he didn't know. I only called because I wa 
hoping there was a simple thing I could do in the meantime to restore this 
feature back. 

Some time today, before I go to the Apple store on Wednesday, I'm going to see 
if I can find this information in the manual, to see if they took it out or 
not. I'm going to the store since I am going to North Park Mall anyway for 
something else. So I'll go and ask while I'm at it. They know me over there, 
and several of them because of me, have had to learn some VoiceOver.

Regards,
Gigi


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 19, 2011, at 9:16 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 This might be a silly question but, did you explain to them that you are a 
 voiceover user?  Because the feature your talking about is only active with 
 voiceover on.  If they are not voiceover users, and don't know that you are, 
 I doubt the person trying to help you would know this.  In my opinion, its 
 pretty obscure.  I saw someone attack Apple customer service for this in a 
 previous portion of this thread but, I couldn't kill them for something like 
 this.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter  Skype: rwalker296
 www.mobileaccess.org
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 8:26 PM, Gigi wrote:
 
 Hi JeffThat's what I have been doing for almost a year now and since I can't 
 find it in the new manual any more I was wondering if it was taken away. 
 Apple Care kept insisting that taking the phone away from the like that was 
 not the normal operation.  
 Gigi
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 7:01 PM, Jeff Berwick mailingli...@berwick.name wrote:
 
 I believe the correct way to make the phone go into speaker phone is to 
 take the phone away from your ear and hold it as if it was sitting on a 
 table.  I.e. flat.  It then thinks it is resting on a table and will go 
 into speaker phone mode.
 
 Hth,
 Jeff
 
 On 2011-12-19, at 6:55 PM, Gigi wrote:
 
 Hi guys.
 I have a question, and it is driving me crazy. I just called Apple Care 
 about this, and basically, I don't think they believed me. 
 
 I use the feature I'm describing all the time. Until two days ago, it was 
 working just fine. If you're on a call and you want to go to speaker 
 phone, the manual used to say (it did when I got my iPhone back in 
 January) to take the phone away from your face and it would become a 
 speaker phone. As I said, it worked like a charm until two days ago.
 
 Now, all of a sudden, for no reason I can figure out, I have to go to hide 
 keypadnd then Speaker, a pain with VoiceOver when someone is talking and 
 you need to switch them over to speaker phone. Also, VoiceOver is quietly 
 talking into the earpiece, and I'm finding it hard to hear the choices so 
 I can get the thing turned on.
 
 I could not find this feature in the iPhone manual any more. Is this 
 something they changed because of Siri? If so, it would have been really 
 nice if Apple Care people had just said so from the start.
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 nd speaker. This is a real pain with 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: speaker on iPhone

2011-12-20 Thread Gigi
Hi Pete.
Thanks for your suggestions, and I will try them. I did try the rebooting 
already, but I hadn't done the others. 

Regards, 
Gigi


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 19, 2011, at 8:23 PM, peter apgar pap...@gmavt.net wrote:

 this feature is still available.  three  things to try: 
 1 with the phone away from your face turn the volume up.  often the speaker 
 phone volume gets turned down.
 2 wave a finger over the slot for the ear peace.  occasionally something 
 blocks the sensor.
 3 reboot the phone.  could be some sort of malfunction with code some where 
 in the os.  
 
 Good luck.
 
 Pete
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 9:06 PM, Jessica wrote:
 
 Is this just supposed to automatically supposed to do this by default any 
 time you take the phone away from you ear?  If that's the case, how do you 
 turn it off if you either realize you didn't want it on, or you did, and 
 you're done with it?
 Sorry to vere this subject off topic, just was curious, seeing as how I plan 
 to get the 4s soon, and could use some tips.
 - Original Message - From: Gigi gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Cc: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 3:55 PM
 Subject: speaker on iPhone
 
 
 Hi guys.
 I have a question, and it is driving me crazy. I just called Apple Care 
 about this, and basically, I don't think they believed me.
 
 I use the feature I'm describing all the time. Until two days ago, it was 
 working just fine. If you're on a call and you want to go to speaker phone, 
 the manual used to say (it did when I got my iPhone back in January) to take 
 the phone away from your face and it would become a speaker phone. As I 
 said, it worked like a charm until two days ago.
 
 Now, all of a sudden, for no reason I can figure out, I have to go to hide 
 keypadnd then Speaker, a pain with VoiceOver when someone is talking and you 
 need to switch them over to speaker phone. Also, VoiceOver is quietly 
 talking into the earpiece, and I'm finding it hard to hear the choices so I

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Re: speaker on iPhone

2011-12-20 Thread Gigi
Hi Jessica.
If you don't want it, you just put the phone back up to your ear. It's to stop 
immediately. If you want it, it's supposed to come on when you take the phone 
away from your face. 

As far as I know, this subject is not off topic. We have been discussing IOS 5 
devices now for quite a while. If Cara didn't want us to talk about it, I guess 
she would have said by now. I am glad we are doing it, too, because I cant join 
another list.

Regards,
Gigi


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 19, 2011, at 8:06 PM, Jessica stevies...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is this just supposed to automaticly supposed to do this by default any time 
 you take the phone away from you ear?  If that's the case, how do you turn it 
 off if you either realize you didn't want it on, or you did, and you're done 
 with it?
 Sorry to vere this subject off topic, just was curious, seeing as how I plan 
 to get the 4s soon, and could use some tips.
 - Original Message - From: Gigi gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Cc: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 3:55 PM
 Subject: speaker on iPhone
 
 
 Hi guys.
 I have a question, and it is driving me crazy. I just called Apple Care about 
 this, and basically, I don't think they believed me.
 
 I use the feature I'm describing all the time. Until two days ago, it was 
 working just fine. If you're on a call and you want to go to speaker phone, 
 the manual used to say (it did when I got my iPhone back in January) to take 
 the phone away from your face and it would become a speaker phone. As I said, 
 it worked like a charm until two days ago.
 
 Now, all of a sudden, for no reason I can figure out, I have to go to hide 
 keypadnd then Speaker, a pain with VoiceOver when someone is talking and you 
 need to switch them over to speaker phone. Also, VoiceOver is quietly talking 
 into the earpiece, and I'm finding it hard to hear the choices so I can get 
 the thing turned on.
 
 I could not find this feature in the iPhone manual any more. Is this 
 something they changed because of Siri? If so, it would have been really nice 
 if Apple Care people had just said so from the start.
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 nd speaker. This is a real pain with
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 

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Re: speaker on iPhone

2011-12-20 Thread Scott Howell
WOw! I honestly don't get it either. I have had very good luck with Apple Care 
and pretty good luck with the folks in the store. Personally you can call it 
what you will, but I'm thrilled with 98% of the features, experience, and so 
forth with the APple products I own. I of course understand that all is not 
perfect, but let me make some observations here that are based on experience.
1. SOme of the problems people encounter are of their own making. In other 
words they simply have not learned how to use a feature or do not understand 
some aspect of the product. Hey not a negative statement, but instead just 
fact. SOmetimes this is just a result of not having read any information and 
only basing assumptions on what they have read on an e-mail list, which are not 
the only source of information.
2. Third-party apps can cause problems and may impact operations of the device. 
In fact several applications that are installed can mess things up. WHy? Hell 
who knows, but it simply is possible. I have seen this with folks who could not 
get the screen curtain to activate when VO was turned on, poor battery life, 
and so forth. Hey, Apple does the best it can to ensure apps do not cause 
problems, but reality is that you can have the perfect storm on your device.
3. User error. Yes people do make mistakes and that is apparent by some of the 
questions I have seen posted here and on the VI Phone list. Hey it is ok to be 
wrong and ok to make mistakes. However, it helps to have read the manual and 
understand how features work and what could affect the operation of a feature. 
I realize thread is more about the speakerphone; however, this applies across 
the board. 

Now as far as the speakerphone I may be recalling incorrectly, but it seems to 
me that you can toggle the speakerphone such that removing it from your face 
will keep the call on the earpiece and not the speakerphone. Of course I'd also 
ask the question if the phone is in a case and perhaps the proximity sensor is 
being blocked. Lots of possibilities. Oh and one final note, the APple Care 
folks are not actually APple employees unless something has changed recently. 
THey actually work for a vendor that provides support services. I only found 
that out because I had a chat with one of the support folks and he said 
something he probably should not have said and I got him to tell me. :)

On Dec 19, 2011, at 8:22 PM, James Mannion wrote:

 I have never heard of or experienced this change. Taking it away from
 my ear has been the way to put it in speaker mode, even after SIRI
 arrived. Apple care doesn't even know how speaker phone works?
 Sometimes I really truely just don't get it. Their in store people
 know nothing half the time, their apple care doesn't even know basic
 stuff and more often than not they really don't know how to resolve
 your problem or even as much as you did when you called. They release
 things full of bugs in major functionality all the time and everyone
 worships their every move. I really truely love and appreciate the
 accessibility they provide, but I really just don't get this other
 stuff.
 
 On 12/19/11, Jeff Berwick mailingli...@berwick.name wrote:
 I believe the correct way to make the phone go into speaker phone is to take
 the phone away from your ear and hold it as if it was sitting on a table.
 I.e. flat.  It then thinks it is resting on a table and will go into speaker
 phone mode.
 
 Hth,
 Jeff
 
 On 2011-12-19, at 6:55 PM, Gigi wrote:
 
 Hi guys.
 I have a question, and it is driving me crazy. I just called Apple Care
 about this, and basically, I don't think they believed me.
 
 I use the feature I'm describing all the time. Until two days ago, it was
 working just fine. If you're on a call and you want to go to speaker
 phone, the manual used to say (it did when I got my iPhone back in
 January) to take the phone away from your face and it would become a
 speaker phone. As I said, it worked like a charm until two days ago.
 
 Now, all of a sudden, for no reason I can figure out, I have to go to hide
 keypadnd then Speaker, a pain with VoiceOver when someone is talking and
 you need to switch them over to speaker phone. Also, VoiceOver is quietly
 talking into the earpiece, and I'm finding it hard to hear the choices so
 I can get the thing turned on.
 
 I could not find this feature in the iPhone manual any more. Is this
 something they changed because of Siri? If so, it would have been really
 nice if Apple Care people had just said so from the start.
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 nd speaker. This is a real pain with
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 4:55 PM, ezzie bueno ezziebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello Esther and others,
 
 My thumb drive is not in use when I try to eject it.  COMMAND E is not
 working.  What else can be going on?
 
 Ezzie
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Esther mori...@mac.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date sent: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:00:09 -1000
 Subject: 

Re: speaker on iPhone

2011-12-20 Thread Gigi
Ok, after this, I guess I'm done with this subject here. My husband and I just 
discovered something which some of us need to know about. Apparently, the phone 
needs light to do this because I guess it's using the camera next to your face 
to know it's up there. After Kevin's suggestion, we cleaned the ear thing and 
also the camera lens. Then we did a test with screen curtain on. Guess what, if 
the light is low (which of course yours truly would never know about), then it 
doesn't work. My husband, after we turned screen curtain on, went into a dark 
place. It didn't work in the dark place, but did in the light. So, I guess you 
can, if you don't want it to work, just turn screen curtain on. If you do want 
it to work, turn it off so it can get some light from the screen.

Regards,
Gigi


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 20, 2011, at 4:28 AM, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote:

 WOw! I honestly don't get it either. I have had very good luck with Apple 
 Care and pretty good luck with the folks in the store. Personally you can 
 call it what you will, but I'm thrilled with 98% of the features, experience, 
 and so forth with the APple products I own. I of course understand that all 
 is not perfect, but let me make some observations here that are based on 
 experience.
 1. SOme of the problems people encounter are of their own making. In other 
 words they simply have not learned how to use a feature or do not understand 
 some aspect of the product. Hey not a negative statement, but instead just 
 fact. SOmetimes this is just a result of not having read any information and 
 only basing assumptions on what they have read on an e-mail list, which are 
 not the only source of information.
 2. Third-party apps can cause problems and may impact operations of the 
 device. In fact several applications that are installed can mess things up. 
 WHy? Hell who knows, but it simply is possible. I have seen this with folks 
 who could not get the screen curtain to activate when VO was turned on, poor 
 battery life, and so forth. Hey, Apple does the best it can to ensure apps do 
 not cause problems, but reality is that you can have the perfect storm on 
 your device.
 3. User error. Yes people do make mistakes and that is apparent by some of 
 the questions I have seen posted here and on the VI Phone list. Hey it is ok 
 to be wrong and ok to make mistakes. However, it helps to have read the 
 manual and understand how features work and what could affect the operation 
 of a feature. I realize thread is more about the speakerphone; however, this 
 applies across the board. 
 
 Now as far as the speakerphone I may be recalling incorrectly, but it seems 
 to me that you can toggle the speakerphone such that removing it from your 
 face will keep the call on the earpiece and not the speakerphone. Of course 
 I'd also ask the question if the phone is in a case and perhaps the proximity 
 sensor is being blocked. Lots of possibilities. Oh and one final note, the 
 APple Care folks are not actually APple employees unless something has 
 changed recently. THey actually work for a vendor that provides support 
 services. I only found that out because I had a chat with one of the support 
 folks and he said something he probably should not have said and I got him to 
 tell me. :)
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 8:22 PM, James Mannion wrote:
 
 I have never heard of or experienced this change. Taking it away from

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Re: speaker on iPhone

2011-12-20 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

this is weird.  The proximity sensor has nothing to do with light.  You can be 
in a pitch black room, take the phone from your face, and it should switch to 
speaker phone if you are using voiceover.

Ricardo Walker
rwalker...@gmail.com
Twitter  Skype: rwalker296
www.mobileaccess.org

On Dec 20, 2011, at 5:48 AM, Gigi wrote:

 Ok, after this, I guess I'm done with this subject here. My husband and I 
 just discovered something which some of us need to know about. Apparently, 
 the phone needs light to do this because I guess it's using the camera next 
 to your face to know it's up there. After Kevin's suggestion, we cleaned the 
 ear thing and also the camera lens. Then we did a test with screen curtain 
 on. Guess what, if the light is low (which of course yours truly would never 
 know about), then it doesn't work. My husband, after we turned screen curtain 
 on, went into a dark place. It didn't work in the dark place, but did in the 
 light. So, I guess you can, if you don't want it to work, just turn screen 
 curtain on. If you do want it to work, turn it off so it can get some light 
 from the screen.
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 20, 2011, at 4:28 AM, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 WOw! I honestly don't get it either. I have had very good luck with Apple 
 Care and pretty good luck with the folks in the store. Personally you can 
 call it what you will, but I'm thrilled with 98% of the features, 
 experience, and so forth with the APple products I own. I of course 
 understand that all is not perfect, but let me make some observations here 
 that are based on experience.
 1. SOme of the problems people encounter are of their own making. In other 
 words they simply have not learned how to use a feature or do not understand 
 some aspect of the product. Hey not a negative statement, but instead just 
 fact. SOmetimes this is just a result of not having read any information and 
 only basing assumptions on what they have read on an e-mail list, which are 
 not the only source of information.
 2. Third-party apps can cause problems and may impact operations of the 
 device. In fact several applications that are installed can mess things up. 
 WHy? Hell who knows, but it simply is possible. I have seen this with folks 
 who could not get the screen curtain to activate when VO was turned on, poor 
 battery life, and so forth. Hey, Apple does the best it can to ensure apps 
 do not cause problems, but reality is that you can have the perfect storm on 
 your device.
 3. User error. Yes people do make mistakes and that is apparent by some of 
 the questions I have seen posted here and on the VI Phone list. Hey it is ok 
 to be wrong and ok to make mistakes. However, it helps to have read the 
 manual and understand how features work and what could affect the operation 
 of a feature. I realize thread is more about the speakerphone; however, this 
 applies across the board. 
 
 Now as far as the speakerphone I may be recalling incorrectly, but it seems 
 to me that you can toggle the speakerphone such that removing it from your 
 face will keep the call on the earpiece and not the speakerphone. Of course 
 I'd also ask the question if the phone is in a case and perhaps the 
 proximity sensor is being blocked. Lots of possibilities. Oh and one final 
 note, the APple Care folks are not actually APple employees unless something 
 has changed recently. THey actually work for a vendor that provides support 
 services. I only found that out because I had a chat with one of the support 
 folks and he said something he probably should not have said and I got him 
 to tell me. :)
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 8:22 PM, James Mannion wrote:
 
 I have never heard of or experienced this change. Taking it away from
 
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Re: speaker on iPhone

2011-12-19 Thread Jeff Berwick
I believe the correct way to make the phone go into speaker phone is to take 
the phone away from your ear and hold it as if it was sitting on a table.  I.e. 
flat.  It then thinks it is resting on a table and will go into speaker phone 
mode.

Hth,
Jeff

On 2011-12-19, at 6:55 PM, Gigi wrote:

 Hi guys.
 I have a question, and it is driving me crazy. I just called Apple Care about 
 this, and basically, I don't think they believed me. 
 
 I use the feature I'm describing all the time. Until two days ago, it was 
 working just fine. If you're on a call and you want to go to speaker phone, 
 the manual used to say (it did when I got my iPhone back in January) to take 
 the phone away from your face and it would become a speaker phone. As I said, 
 it worked like a charm until two days ago.
 
 Now, all of a sudden, for no reason I can figure out, I have to go to hide 
 keypadnd then Speaker, a pain with VoiceOver when someone is talking and you 
 need to switch them over to speaker phone. Also, VoiceOver is quietly talking 
 into the earpiece, and I'm finding it hard to hear the choices so I can get 
 the thing turned on.
 
 I could not find this feature in the iPhone manual any more. Is this 
 something they changed because of Siri? If so, it would have been really nice 
 if Apple Care people had just said so from the start.
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 nd speaker. This is a real pain with 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 4:55 PM, ezzie bueno ezziebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello Esther and others,
 
 My thumb drive is not in use when I try to eject it.  COMMAND E is not 
 working.  What else can be going on?
 
 Ezzie
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Esther mori...@mac.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date sent: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:00:09 -1000
 Subject: Ejecting a USB flash drive with a keyboard shortcut [was Re: 
 MBPKeyboard]
 
 Hi Ezzie and Others,
 
 The usual reason that a drive fails to eject is that it is still in use.  
 This could be either because a copy or write operation is still going on and 
 transferring data, or because you have navigated into the file structure of 
 the drive in Finder to query contents.  I do find that Command-E works to 
 eject drives provided they are not in use, but there's nothing wrong with 
 following either Ricardo's method with the context menu or Gigi's checks 
 that the device is not active.  I've retitled the subject line to better 
 reflect the content of the discussion.
 
 HTH.  Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 11:32, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I guess I'm old fashion.  lol.  I prefer to bring up the context menu with 
 VO shift M and just press enter on eject.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter  Skype: rwalker296
 www.mobileaccess.org
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
 
 Hi Y'all.
 Command E does not always work for me, especially on thumb drives.  I was 
 told by Apple that if you are writing to the drive and it gets ejected too 
 soon, you can mess up your thumb drive.  Therefore, these days I always 
 check to see if my drive is on my list of active devices before I take it 
 out.
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
 
 Hi Ezzie,
 
 Command+E should eject the drive.
 
 
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 Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:55 PM
 To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: MBP Keyboard
 
 Hello list:
 
 When I try and eject a USB flash drive, it will not eject.  I know I've got
 it selected.
 However, when I eject one on my sister's account, it ejects properly.  Is
 there a setting I may have modified on my account that I shouldn't have?
 
 Thanks,
 Ezzie Ez Bueno
 Sent from my BrailleNote Apex
 Skype: sillyez
 Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sillyez Google Talk: sill...@sillyez.com
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Re: speaker on iPhone

2011-12-19 Thread James Mannion
I have never heard of or experienced this change. Taking it away from
my ear has been the way to put it in speaker mode, even after SIRI
arrived. Apple care doesn't even know how speaker phone works?
Sometimes I really truely just don't get it. Their in store people
know nothing half the time, their apple care doesn't even know basic
stuff and more often than not they really don't know how to resolve
your problem or even as much as you did when you called. They release
things full of bugs in major functionality all the time and everyone
worships their every move. I really truely love and appreciate the
accessibility they provide, but I really just don't get this other
stuff.

On 12/19/11, Jeff Berwick mailingli...@berwick.name wrote:
 I believe the correct way to make the phone go into speaker phone is to take
 the phone away from your ear and hold it as if it was sitting on a table.
 I.e. flat.  It then thinks it is resting on a table and will go into speaker
 phone mode.

 Hth,
 Jeff

 On 2011-12-19, at 6:55 PM, Gigi wrote:

 Hi guys.
 I have a question, and it is driving me crazy. I just called Apple Care
 about this, and basically, I don't think they believed me.

 I use the feature I'm describing all the time. Until two days ago, it was
 working just fine. If you're on a call and you want to go to speaker
 phone, the manual used to say (it did when I got my iPhone back in
 January) to take the phone away from your face and it would become a
 speaker phone. As I said, it worked like a charm until two days ago.

 Now, all of a sudden, for no reason I can figure out, I have to go to hide
 keypadnd then Speaker, a pain with VoiceOver when someone is talking and
 you need to switch them over to speaker phone. Also, VoiceOver is quietly
 talking into the earpiece, and I'm finding it hard to hear the choices so
 I can get the thing turned on.

 I could not find this feature in the iPhone manual any more. Is this
 something they changed because of Siri? If so, it would have been really
 nice if Apple Care people had just said so from the start.

 Regards,
 Gigi
 nd speaker. This is a real pain with

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 19, 2011, at 4:55 PM, ezzie bueno ezziebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello Esther and others,

 My thumb drive is not in use when I try to eject it.  COMMAND E is not
 working.  What else can be going on?

 Ezzie


 - Original Message -
 From: Esther mori...@mac.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date sent: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:00:09 -1000
 Subject: Ejecting a USB flash drive with a keyboard shortcut [was Re:
 MBPKeyboard]

 Hi Ezzie and Others,

 The usual reason that a drive fails to eject is that it is still in use.
 This could be either because a copy or write operation is still going on
 and transferring data, or because you have navigated into the file
 structure of the drive in Finder to query contents.  I do find that
 Command-E works to eject drives provided they are not in use, but there's
 nothing wrong with following either Ricardo's method with the context
 menu or Gigi's checks that the device is not active.  I've retitled the
 subject line to better reflect the content of the discussion.

 HTH.  Cheers,

 Esther

 On Dec 19, 2011, at 11:32, Ricardo Walker wrote:

 Hi,

 I guess I'm old fashion.  lol.  I prefer to bring up the context menu
 with VO shift M and just press enter on eject.

 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter  Skype: rwalker296
 www.mobileaccess.org

 On Dec 19, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:

 Hi Y'all.
 Command E does not always work for me, especially on thumb drives.  I was
 told by Apple that if you are writing to the drive and it gets ejected
 too soon, you can mess up your thumb drive.  Therefore, these days I
 always check to see if my drive is on my list of active devices before I
 take it out.

 Regards,
 Gigi

 On Dec 19, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:

 Hi Ezzie,

 Command+E should eject the drive.


 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ezzie bueno
 Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:55 PM
 To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: MBP Keyboard

 Hello list:

 When I try and eject a USB flash drive, it will not eject.  I know I've
 got
 it selected.
 However, when I eject one on my sister's account, it ejects properly.  Is
 there a setting I may have modified on my account that I shouldn't have?

 Thanks,
 Ezzie Ez Bueno
 Sent from my BrailleNote Apex
 Skype: sillyez
 Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sillyez Google Talk:
 sill...@sillyez.com
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Re: speaker on iPhone

2011-12-19 Thread Gigi
Hi JeffThat's what I have been doing for almost a year now and since I can't 
find it in the new manual any more I was wondering if it was taken away. Apple 
Care kept insisting that taking the phone away from the like that was not the 
normal operation.  
Gigi


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 19, 2011, at 7:01 PM, Jeff Berwick mailingli...@berwick.name wrote:

 I believe the correct way to make the phone go into speaker phone is to take 
 the phone away from your ear and hold it as if it was sitting on a table.  
 I.e. flat.  It then thinks it is resting on a table and will go into speaker 
 phone mode.
 
 Hth,
 Jeff
 
 On 2011-12-19, at 6:55 PM, Gigi wrote:
 
 Hi guys.
 I have a question, and it is driving me crazy. I just called Apple Care 
 about this, and basically, I don't think they believed me. 
 
 I use the feature I'm describing all the time. Until two days ago, it was 
 working just fine. If you're on a call and you want to go to speaker phone, 
 the manual used to say (it did when I got my iPhone back in January) to take 
 the phone away from your face and it would become a speaker phone. As I 
 said, it worked like a charm until two days ago.
 
 Now, all of a sudden, for no reason I can figure out, I have to go to hide 
 keypadnd then Speaker, a pain with VoiceOver when someone is talking and you 
 need to switch them over to speaker phone. Also, VoiceOver is quietly 
 talking into the earpiece, and I'm finding it hard to hear the choices so I 
 can get the thing turned on.
 
 I could not find this feature in the iPhone manual any more. Is this 
 something they changed because of Siri? If so, it would have been really 
 nice if Apple Care people had just said so from the start.
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 nd speaker. This is a real pain with 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 4:55 PM, ezzie bueno ezziebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello Esther and others,
 

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Re: speaker on iPhone

2011-12-19 Thread Jessica
Is this just supposed to automaticly supposed to do this by default any time 
you take the phone away from you ear?  If that's the case, how do you turn 
it off if you either realize you didn't want it on, or you did, and you're 
done with it?
 Sorry to vere this subject off topic, just was curious, seeing as how I 
plan to get the 4s soon, and could use some tips.
- Original Message - 
From: Gigi gigifi...@sbcglobal.net

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Cc: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 3:55 PM
Subject: speaker on iPhone


Hi guys.
I have a question, and it is driving me crazy. I just called Apple Care 
about this, and basically, I don't think they believed me.


I use the feature I'm describing all the time. Until two days ago, it was 
working just fine. If you're on a call and you want to go to speaker phone, 
the manual used to say (it did when I got my iPhone back in January) to take 
the phone away from your face and it would become a speaker phone. As I 
said, it worked like a charm until two days ago.


Now, all of a sudden, for no reason I can figure out, I have to go to hide 
keypadnd then Speaker, a pain with VoiceOver when someone is talking and you 
need to switch them over to speaker phone. Also, VoiceOver is quietly 
talking into the earpiece, and I'm finding it hard to hear the choices so I 
can get the thing turned on.


I could not find this feature in the iPhone manual any more. Is this 
something they changed because of Siri? If so, it would have been really 
nice if Apple Care people had just said so from the start.


Regards,
Gigi
nd speaker. This is a real pain with

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 19, 2011, at 4:55 PM, ezzie bueno ezziebu...@gmail.com wrote:


Hello Esther and others,

My thumb drive is not in use when I try to eject it.  COMMAND E is not 
working.  What else can be going on?


Ezzie


- Original Message -
From: Esther mori...@mac.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date sent: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:00:09 -1000
Subject: Ejecting a USB flash drive with a keyboard shortcut [was Re: 
MBPKeyboard]


Hi Ezzie and Others,

The usual reason that a drive fails to eject is that it is still in use. 
This could be either because a copy or write operation is still going on 
and transferring data, or because you have navigated into the file 
structure of the drive in Finder to query contents.  I do find that 
Command-E works to eject drives provided they are not in use, but there's 
nothing wrong with following either Ricardo's method with the context menu 
or Gigi's checks that the device is not active.  I've retitled the subject 
line to better reflect the content of the discussion.


HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Dec 19, 2011, at 11:32, Ricardo Walker wrote:

Hi,

I guess I'm old fashion.  lol.  I prefer to bring up the context menu with 
VO shift M and just press enter on eject.


Ricardo Walker
rwalker...@gmail.com
Twitter  Skype: rwalker296
www.mobileaccess.org

On Dec 19, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:

Hi Y'all.
Command E does not always work for me, especially on thumb drives.  I was 
told by Apple that if you are writing to the drive and it gets ejected too 
soon, you can mess up your thumb drive.  Therefore, these days I always 
check to see if my drive is on my list of active devices before I take it 
out.


Regards,
Gigi

On Dec 19, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:

Hi Ezzie,

Command+E should eject the drive.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ezzie bueno
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:55 PM
To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: MBP Keyboard

Hello list:

When I try and eject a USB flash drive, it will not eject.  I know I've 
got

it selected.
However, when I eject one on my sister's account, it ejects properly.  Is
there a setting I may have modified on my account that I shouldn't have?

Thanks,
Ezzie Ez Bueno
Sent from my BrailleNote Apex
Skype: sillyez
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sillyez Google Talk: sill...@sillyez.com
Google Plus: ezziebu...@gmail.com
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Re: speaker on iPhone

2011-12-19 Thread Kevin Shaw
Try rebooting your phone. Hold the Sleep/Wake button for 7 sec and then tap the 
Slide to Power Off button. Wait for a minute or so and then hold the 
sleep/wake button agian.

I've encountered a similar problem with my 4S and my old 3GS. It seems that the 
accelerometer needs to be whipped into position every once in a  while for 
speaker phone to take. Try moving it away from your face quickly. 

Kevin
On 2011-12-19, at 8:01 PM, Jeff Berwick wrote:

 I believe the correct way to make the phone go into speaker phone is to take 
 the phone away from your ear and hold it as if it was sitting on a table.  
 I.e. flat.  It then thinks it is resting on a table and will go into speaker 
 phone mode.
 
 Hth,
 Jeff
 
 On 2011-12-19, at 6:55 PM, Gigi wrote:
 
 Hi guys.
 I have a question, and it is driving me crazy. I just called Apple Care 
 about this, and basically, I don't think they believed me. 
 
 I use the feature I'm describing all the time. Until two days ago, it was 
 working just fine. If you're on a call and you want to go to speaker phone, 
 the manual used to say (it did when I got my iPhone back in January) to take 
 the phone away from your face and it would become a speaker phone. As I 
 said, it worked like a charm until two days ago.
 
 Now, all of a sudden, for no reason I can figure out, I have to go to hide 
 keypadnd then Speaker, a pain with VoiceOver when someone is talking and you 
 need to switch them over to speaker phone. Also, VoiceOver is quietly 
 talking into the earpiece, and I'm finding it hard to hear the choices so I 
 can get the thing turned on.
 
 I could not find this feature in the iPhone manual any more. Is this 
 something they changed because of Siri? If so, it would have been really 
 nice if Apple Care people had just said so from the start.
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 nd speaker. This is a real pain with 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 4:55 PM, ezzie bueno ezziebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello Esther and others,
 
 My thumb drive is not in use when I try to eject it.  COMMAND E is not 
 working.  What else can be going on?
 
 Ezzie
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Esther mori...@mac.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date sent: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:00:09 -1000
 Subject: Ejecting a USB flash drive with a keyboard shortcut [was Re: 
 MBPKeyboard]
 
 Hi Ezzie and Others,
 
 The usual reason that a drive fails to eject is that it is still in use.  
 This could be either because a copy or write operation is still going on 
 and transferring data, or because you have navigated into the file 
 structure of the drive in Finder to query contents.  I do find that 
 Command-E works to eject drives provided they are not in use, but there's 
 nothing wrong with following either Ricardo's method with the context menu 
 or Gigi's checks that the device is not active.  I've retitled the subject 
 line to better reflect the content of the discussion.
 
 HTH.  Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 11:32, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I guess I'm old fashion.  lol.  I prefer to bring up the context menu with 
 VO shift M and just press enter on eject.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter  Skype: rwalker296
 www.mobileaccess.org
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
 
 Hi Y'all.
 Command E does not always work for me, especially on thumb drives.  I was 
 told by Apple that if you are writing to the drive and it gets ejected too 
 soon, you can mess up your thumb drive.  Therefore, these days I always 
 check to see if my drive is on my list of active devices before I take it 
 out.
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
 
 Hi Ezzie,
 
 Command+E should eject the drive.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ezzie bueno
 Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:55 PM
 To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: MBP Keyboard
 
 Hello list:
 
 When I try and eject a USB flash drive, it will not eject.  I know I've got
 it selected.
 However, when I eject one on my sister's account, it ejects properly.  Is
 there a setting I may have modified on my account that I shouldn't have?
 
 Thanks,
 Ezzie Ez Bueno
 Sent from my BrailleNote Apex
 Skype: sillyez
 Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sillyez Google Talk: sill...@sillyez.com
 Google Plus: ezziebu...@gmail.com
 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/sillyez
 
 
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Re: speaker on iPhone

2011-12-19 Thread peter apgar
this feature is still available.  three  things to try: 
1 with the phone away from your face turn the volume up.  often the speaker 
phone volume gets turned down.
2 wave a finger over the slot for the ear peace.  occasionally something blocks 
the sensor.
3 reboot the phone.  could be some sort of malfunction with code some where in 
the os.  

Good luck.

Pete
On Dec 19, 2011, at 9:06 PM, Jessica wrote:

 Is this just supposed to automatically supposed to do this by default any 
 time you take the phone away from you ear?  If that's the case, how do you 
 turn it off if you either realize you didn't want it on, or you did, and 
 you're done with it?
 Sorry to vere this subject off topic, just was curious, seeing as how I plan 
 to get the 4s soon, and could use some tips.
 - Original Message - From: Gigi gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Cc: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 3:55 PM
 Subject: speaker on iPhone
 
 
 Hi guys.
 I have a question, and it is driving me crazy. I just called Apple Care about 
 this, and basically, I don't think they believed me.
 
 I use the feature I'm describing all the time. Until two days ago, it was 
 working just fine. If you're on a call and you want to go to speaker phone, 
 the manual used to say (it did when I got my iPhone back in January) to take 
 the phone away from your face and it would become a speaker phone. As I said, 
 it worked like a charm until two days ago.
 
 Now, all of a sudden, for no reason I can figure out, I have to go to hide 
 keypadnd then Speaker, a pain with VoiceOver when someone is talking and you 
 need to switch them over to speaker phone. Also, VoiceOver is quietly talking 
 into the earpiece, and I'm finding it hard to hear the choices so I can get 
 the thing turned on.
 
 I could not find this feature in the iPhone manual any more. Is this 
 something they changed because of Siri? If so, it would have been really nice 
 if Apple Care people had just said so from the start.
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 nd speaker. This is a real pain with
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 4:55 PM, ezzie bueno ezziebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello Esther and others,
 
 My thumb drive is not in use when I try to eject it.  COMMAND E is not 
 working.  What else can be going on?
 
 Ezzie
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Esther mori...@mac.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date sent: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:00:09 -1000
 Subject: Ejecting a USB flash drive with a keyboard shortcut [was Re: 
 MBPKeyboard]
 
 Hi Ezzie and Others,
 
 The usual reason that a drive fails to eject is that it is still in use. 
 This could be either because a copy or write operation is still going on and 
 transferring data, or because you have navigated into the file structure of 
 the drive in Finder to query contents.  I do find that Command-E works to 
 eject drives provided they are not in use, but there's nothing wrong with 
 following either Ricardo's method with the context menu or Gigi's checks 
 that the device is not active.  I've retitled the subject line to better 
 reflect the content of the discussion.
 
 HTH.  Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 11:32, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I guess I'm old fashion.  lol.  I prefer to bring up the context menu with 
 VO shift M and just press enter on eject.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter  Skype: rwalker296
 www.mobileaccess.org
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
 
 Hi Y'all.
 Command E does not always work for me, especially on thumb drives.  I was 
 told by Apple that if you are writing to the drive and it gets ejected too 
 soon, you can mess up your thumb drive.  Therefore, these days I always 
 check to see if my drive is on my list of active devices before I take it 
 out.
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
 
 Hi Ezzie,
 
 Command+E should eject the drive.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ezzie bueno
 Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:55 PM
 To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: MBP Keyboard
 
 Hello list:
 
 When I try and eject a USB flash drive, it will not eject.  I know I've got
 it selected.
 However, when I eject one on my sister's account, it ejects properly.  Is
 there a setting I may have modified on my account that I shouldn't have?
 
 Thanks,
 Ezzie Ez Bueno
 Sent from my BrailleNote Apex
 Skype: sillyez
 Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sillyez Google Talk: sill...@sillyez.com
 Google Plus: ezziebu...@gmail.com
 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/sillyez
 
 
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Re: speaker on iPhone

2011-12-19 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

This might be a silly question but, did you explain to them that you are a 
voiceover user?  Because the feature your talking about is only active with 
voiceover on.  If they are not voiceover users, and don't know that you are, I 
doubt the person trying to help you would know this.  In my opinion, its pretty 
obscure.  I saw someone attack Apple customer service for this in a previous 
portion of this thread but, I couldn't kill them for something like this.

Ricardo Walker
rwalker...@gmail.com
Twitter  Skype: rwalker296
www.mobileaccess.org

On Dec 19, 2011, at 8:26 PM, Gigi wrote:

 Hi JeffThat's what I have been doing for almost a year now and since I can't 
 find it in the new manual any more I was wondering if it was taken away. 
 Apple Care kept insisting that taking the phone away from the like that was 
 not the normal operation.  
 Gigi
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 7:01 PM, Jeff Berwick mailingli...@berwick.name wrote:
 
 I believe the correct way to make the phone go into speaker phone is to take 
 the phone away from your ear and hold it as if it was sitting on a table.  
 I.e. flat.  It then thinks it is resting on a table and will go into speaker 
 phone mode.
 
 Hth,
 Jeff
 
 On 2011-12-19, at 6:55 PM, Gigi wrote:
 
 Hi guys.
 I have a question, and it is driving me crazy. I just called Apple Care 
 about this, and basically, I don't think they believed me. 
 
 I use the feature I'm describing all the time. Until two days ago, it was 
 working just fine. If you're on a call and you want to go to speaker phone, 
 the manual used to say (it did when I got my iPhone back in January) to 
 take the phone away from your face and it would become a speaker phone. As 
 I said, it worked like a charm until two days ago.
 
 Now, all of a sudden, for no reason I can figure out, I have to go to hide 
 keypadnd then Speaker, a pain with VoiceOver when someone is talking and 
 you need to switch them over to speaker phone. Also, VoiceOver is quietly 
 talking into the earpiece, and I'm finding it hard to hear the choices so I 
 can get the thing turned on.
 
 I could not find this feature in the iPhone manual any more. Is this 
 something they changed because of Siri? If so, it would have been really 
 nice if Apple Care people had just said so from the start.
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 nd speaker. This is a real pain with 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 4:55 PM, ezzie bueno ezziebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello Esther and others,
 
 
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