Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions
Hi! Thanks for clarifying. My english isn't that good so its hard to explain whats good and whats not good. I also mostly boot or start linux or windows to read long texts. /A On 03 Jul 2014, at 12:17, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: > Hi Robert, > > Even compared to iOS, Mac braille support is very rudimentary. Off the top > of my head: > No support for direct input, only predefined function keys. > Poor computer braille table support outside North America. > Buggy, sometimes unusable grade 2 translation, where punctuation is adjacent > to words. > No auto pan or restricted view modes, precise style indicators, or > indentation. > Inconsistent panning in both directions with embedded objects or in HTML and > scrollable text (the shell, most notably). > Non-independent focus, creating an undue dependence on speech. > > In short, it just isn't all that good. :) > > Now, of course, if you're just reading odd blocks of text, then it will do > the trick. But really, I expect Mac braille support to be at least as good > as that of iOS, and I would hope that it shone with the same light as the > rest of the OS. Frankly, when I want the superlative braille experience, I > boot into either Linux or Windows, for textmode or grade 2 reading, > respectively. > > Cheers, > Sabahattin > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions
Hi Robert, Even compared to iOS, Mac braille support is very rudimentary. Off the top of my head: No support for direct input, only predefined function keys. Poor computer braille table support outside North America. Buggy, sometimes unusable grade 2 translation, where punctuation is adjacent to words. No auto pan or restricted view modes, precise style indicators, or indentation. Inconsistent panning in both directions with embedded objects or in HTML and scrollable text (the shell, most notably). Non-independent focus, creating an undue dependence on speech. In short, it just isn't all that good. :) Now, of course, if you're just reading odd blocks of text, then it will do the trick. But really, I expect Mac braille support to be at least as good as that of iOS, and I would hope that it shone with the same light as the rest of the OS. Frankly, when I want the superlative braille experience, I boot into either Linux or Windows, for textmode or grade 2 reading, respectively. Cheers, Sabahattin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions
Hello, I believe I asked a question about panning with my BrailleNote and my Mac Air a while back, but it has led to other things. I have reviewed the voiceover commands for braille, have looked at all the keystrokes for the BrailleNote and voiceover,, but I haven't been able to figure this out. I was in a basic TextEdit and iTextExpress document and I couldn't use any of my thumb keys to pan to the next line. Again, I ask are there any tricks to the trade with This? Right now, I am only using the BrailleNote with my iPhone4, with iOS 7.0.6. I am able to navigate more effectively on that device than on my Mac Air. Any suggestions would be terrific to use it with my Mac. Best, Eileen -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert C Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 8:22 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions Pause / resume speech with Space 1-2-3-4. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 6/30/2014 12:53 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote: > Hi! > Sometimes speech can be annoying and there's no way of muting speech on a mac from what i know. > On the iphone evrything is fine but not on the mac. > But i guess that as long as you only read mails and such braille is pritty ok. > /A > 29 jun 2014 kl. 21:06 skrev Robert C : > >> Anders, >>Can you explain more? You do not want speech on when using braille? I have not used my braille display that much yet with the Mac or iPhone but when I do, speech is on but if I don't want to hear it I can just mute it. I have not used it yet with Windows but will run NVDA when I do. >> >>But back to what the question I asked was, in what way is Apple's braikke support lacking? Knowing that, I can be ready for any issues I may run into. In my limited tests, braille output seems ok. >> >> Quote of the nanosecond . . . >> Why is there an expiration date on sour cream? >> Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn >> E-mail- >> gone.to.da...@gmail.com >> >> On 6/29/2014 11:21 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote: >>> Hi! >>> Swedish letters are verry strange sometimes. >>> Also the movement of the braille could be much more easy. >>> Now i am a power user of windows of course and also very used to linux and their environment and when moving around the braille display on a window doesn't afect the speech. >>> However when moving the display over the window on the mac i still hear speech comming through. >>> So the speech and braille follows each other which really annoys me. >>> I want it to be as in window eyes or in orca or brltty for linux. >>> /A >>> 29 jun 2014 kl. 09:11 skrev Christopher Hallsworth : >>> >>>> I know on iOS that translation from computer Braille to literary grade II Braille is best described as querky. This however has been fixed in iOS 7. What happened is you start typing a word such as black. If you're a quick typist then you won't see this problem. But if you are a slow one then you may end up with the letters b l a c just fine but after entering the k and the space the k would translate to knowledge. Someone can correct me on this though because I don't use Braille on iOS or OS X yet. I'm not aware of any issues pertaining to Braille under OS X. >>>> >>>> Christopher Hallsworth >>>> Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu >>>> >>>> On 29/06/2014 02:29, Robert C wrote: >>>>> Sabahattin, >>>>> I wanted to come back to this and ask you, in what ways you >>>>> feel that braille support in OS X (and iOS too?) is substandard. >>>>> When I begin to use my Mac full time, I will connect my braille >>>>> display most of the time. Therefore I want to be aware of these issues and work around them. >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> Quote of the nanosecond . . . >>>>> Why do they call it the Department of Interior when they are in >>>>> charge of everything outdoors? >>>>> Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn >>>>> E-mail- >>>>> gone.to.da...@gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> On 6/23/2014 10:28 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: >>>>>> Hi Eileen, >>>>>> >>>>>> To be honest, braille on OS X is a bit substandard. As you can >>>>>> see, it doesn't even quite work as designed in some text fields. >>>>>>
Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions
Wait, this is the one I meant to share. Toggle speech on / off with Space 1-3-4. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Friends welcome anytime, relatives by appointment only. sign on house door Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 6/30/2014 12:53 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote: Hi! Sometimes speech can be annoying and there's no way of muting speech on a mac from what i know. On the iphone evrything is fine but not on the mac. But i guess that as long as you only read mails and such braille is pritty ok. /A 29 jun 2014 kl. 21:06 skrev Robert C : Anders, Can you explain more? You do not want speech on when using braille? I have not used my braille display that much yet with the Mac or iPhone but when I do, speech is on but if I don't want to hear it I can just mute it. I have not used it yet with Windows but will run NVDA when I do. But back to what the question I asked was, in what way is Apple's braikke support lacking? Knowing that, I can be ready for any issues I may run into. In my limited tests, braille output seems ok. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Why is there an expiration date on sour cream? Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 6/29/2014 11:21 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote: Hi! Swedish letters are verry strange sometimes. Also the movement of the braille could be much more easy. Now i am a power user of windows of course and also very used to linux and their environment and when moving around the braille display on a window doesn't afect the speech. However when moving the display over the window on the mac i still hear speech comming through. So the speech and braille follows each other which really annoys me. I want it to be as in window eyes or in orca or brltty for linux. /A 29 jun 2014 kl. 09:11 skrev Christopher Hallsworth : I know on iOS that translation from computer Braille to literary grade II Braille is best described as querky. This however has been fixed in iOS 7. What happened is you start typing a word such as black. If you're a quick typist then you won't see this problem. But if you are a slow one then you may end up with the letters b l a c just fine but after entering the k and the space the k would translate to knowledge. Someone can correct me on this though because I don't use Braille on iOS or OS X yet. I'm not aware of any issues pertaining to Braille under OS X. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 29/06/2014 02:29, Robert C wrote: Sabahattin, I wanted to come back to this and ask you, in what ways you feel that braille support in OS X (and iOS too?) is substandard. When I begin to use my Mac full time, I will connect my braille display most of the time. Therefore I want to be aware of these issues and work around them. Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Why do they call it the Department of Interior when they are in charge of everything outdoors? Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 6/23/2014 10:28 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: Hi Eileen, To be honest, braille on OS X is a bit substandard. As you can see, it doesn't even quite work as designed in some text fields. I'd encourage you to open the same document in TextEdit, for comparison. Don't get your hopes up for anything like the quality of support from the Windows screen readers, I'm afraid. With regard to BrailleNote in particular, the best way to figure out what all the keys do is to examine the mappings in VoiceOver Utility. I changed the panning buttons to be the outer keys, and vertical navigation to be the inner ones. I hope you figure this out, but feel free to ask if you get stuck and I'll try and recreate your issue. Cheers, Sabahattin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionarie
Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions
Pause / resume speech with Space 1-2-3-4. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 6/30/2014 12:53 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote: Hi! Sometimes speech can be annoying and there's no way of muting speech on a mac from what i know. On the iphone evrything is fine but not on the mac. But i guess that as long as you only read mails and such braille is pritty ok. /A 29 jun 2014 kl. 21:06 skrev Robert C : Anders, Can you explain more? You do not want speech on when using braille? I have not used my braille display that much yet with the Mac or iPhone but when I do, speech is on but if I don't want to hear it I can just mute it. I have not used it yet with Windows but will run NVDA when I do. But back to what the question I asked was, in what way is Apple's braikke support lacking? Knowing that, I can be ready for any issues I may run into. In my limited tests, braille output seems ok. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Why is there an expiration date on sour cream? Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 6/29/2014 11:21 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote: Hi! Swedish letters are verry strange sometimes. Also the movement of the braille could be much more easy. Now i am a power user of windows of course and also very used to linux and their environment and when moving around the braille display on a window doesn't afect the speech. However when moving the display over the window on the mac i still hear speech comming through. So the speech and braille follows each other which really annoys me. I want it to be as in window eyes or in orca or brltty for linux. /A 29 jun 2014 kl. 09:11 skrev Christopher Hallsworth : I know on iOS that translation from computer Braille to literary grade II Braille is best described as querky. This however has been fixed in iOS 7. What happened is you start typing a word such as black. If you're a quick typist then you won't see this problem. But if you are a slow one then you may end up with the letters b l a c just fine but after entering the k and the space the k would translate to knowledge. Someone can correct me on this though because I don't use Braille on iOS or OS X yet. I'm not aware of any issues pertaining to Braille under OS X. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 29/06/2014 02:29, Robert C wrote: Sabahattin, I wanted to come back to this and ask you, in what ways you feel that braille support in OS X (and iOS too?) is substandard. When I begin to use my Mac full time, I will connect my braille display most of the time. Therefore I want to be aware of these issues and work around them. Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Why do they call it the Department of Interior when they are in charge of everything outdoors? Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 6/23/2014 10:28 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: Hi Eileen, To be honest, braille on OS X is a bit substandard. As you can see, it doesn't even quite work as designed in some text fields. I'd encourage you to open the same document in TextEdit, for comparison. Don't get your hopes up for anything like the quality of support from the Windows screen readers, I'm afraid. With regard to BrailleNote in particular, the best way to figure out what all the keys do is to examine the mappings in VoiceOver Utility. I changed the panning buttons to be the outer keys, and vertical navigation to be the inner ones. I hope you figure this out, but feel free to ask if you get stuck and I'll try and recreate your issue. Cheers, Sabahattin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google
Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions
You can mute speech on the mac with at least the trackpad. Same gesture as on the iPhone three finger double tap. You can also mute speech via a check box in VoiceOver Utility under the voices category. You could also set up a keyboard commander to mute speech on the fly. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 30/06/2014 08:53, Anders Holmberg wrote: Hi! Sometimes speech can be annoying and there's no way of muting speech on a mac from what i know. On the iphone evrything is fine but not on the mac. But i guess that as long as you only read mails and such braille is pritty ok. /A 29 jun 2014 kl. 21:06 skrev Robert C : Anders, Can you explain more? You do not want speech on when using braille? I have not used my braille display that much yet with the Mac or iPhone but when I do, speech is on but if I don't want to hear it I can just mute it. I have not used it yet with Windows but will run NVDA when I do. But back to what the question I asked was, in what way is Apple's braikke support lacking? Knowing that, I can be ready for any issues I may run into. In my limited tests, braille output seems ok. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Why is there an expiration date on sour cream? Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 6/29/2014 11:21 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote: Hi! Swedish letters are verry strange sometimes. Also the movement of the braille could be much more easy. Now i am a power user of windows of course and also very used to linux and their environment and when moving around the braille display on a window doesn't afect the speech. However when moving the display over the window on the mac i still hear speech comming through. So the speech and braille follows each other which really annoys me. I want it to be as in window eyes or in orca or brltty for linux. /A 29 jun 2014 kl. 09:11 skrev Christopher Hallsworth : I know on iOS that translation from computer Braille to literary grade II Braille is best described as querky. This however has been fixed in iOS 7. What happened is you start typing a word such as black. If you're a quick typist then you won't see this problem. But if you are a slow one then you may end up with the letters b l a c just fine but after entering the k and the space the k would translate to knowledge. Someone can correct me on this though because I don't use Braille on iOS or OS X yet. I'm not aware of any issues pertaining to Braille under OS X. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 29/06/2014 02:29, Robert C wrote: Sabahattin, I wanted to come back to this and ask you, in what ways you feel that braille support in OS X (and iOS too?) is substandard. When I begin to use my Mac full time, I will connect my braille display most of the time. Therefore I want to be aware of these issues and work around them. Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Why do they call it the Department of Interior when they are in charge of everything outdoors? Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 6/23/2014 10:28 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: Hi Eileen, To be honest, braille on OS X is a bit substandard. As you can see, it doesn't even quite work as designed in some text fields. I'd encourage you to open the same document in TextEdit, for comparison. Don't get your hopes up for anything like the quality of support from the Windows screen readers, I'm afraid. With regard to BrailleNote in particular, the best way to figure out what all the keys do is to examine the mappings in VoiceOver Utility. I changed the panning buttons to be the outer keys, and vertical navigation to be the inner ones. I hope you figure this out, but feel free to ask if you get stuck and I'll try and recreate your issue. Cheers, Sabahattin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send e
Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions
Hi! Sometimes speech can be annoying and there's no way of muting speech on a mac from what i know. On the iphone evrything is fine but not on the mac. But i guess that as long as you only read mails and such braille is pritty ok. /A 29 jun 2014 kl. 21:06 skrev Robert C : > Anders, > Can you explain more? You do not want speech on when using braille? I have > not used my braille display that much yet with the Mac or iPhone but when I > do, speech is on but if I don't want to hear it I can just mute it. I have > not used it yet with Windows but will run NVDA when I do. > > But back to what the question I asked was, in what way is Apple's braikke > support lacking? Knowing that, I can be ready for any issues I may run into. > In my limited tests, braille output seems ok. > > Quote of the nanosecond . . . > Why is there an expiration date on sour cream? > Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn > E-mail- > gone.to.da...@gmail.com > > On 6/29/2014 11:21 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote: >> Hi! >> Swedish letters are verry strange sometimes. >> Also the movement of the braille could be much more easy. >> Now i am a power user of windows of course and also very used to linux and >> their environment and when moving around the braille display on a window >> doesn't afect the speech. >> However when moving the display over the window on the mac i still hear >> speech comming through. >> So the speech and braille follows each other which really annoys me. >> I want it to be as in window eyes or in orca or brltty for linux. >> /A >> 29 jun 2014 kl. 09:11 skrev Christopher Hallsworth >> : >> >>> I know on iOS that translation from computer Braille to literary grade II >>> Braille is best described as querky. This however has been fixed in iOS 7. >>> What happened is you start typing a word such as black. If you're a quick >>> typist then you won't see this problem. But if you are a slow one then you >>> may end up with the letters b l a c just fine but after entering the k and >>> the space the k would translate to knowledge. Someone can correct me on >>> this though because I don't use Braille on iOS or OS X yet. I'm not aware >>> of any issues pertaining to Braille under OS X. >>> >>> Christopher Hallsworth >>> Student at the Hadley School for the Blind >>> www.hadley.edu >>> >>> On 29/06/2014 02:29, Robert C wrote: Sabahattin, I wanted to come back to this and ask you, in what ways you feel that braille support in OS X (and iOS too?) is substandard. When I begin to use my Mac full time, I will connect my braille display most of the time. Therefore I want to be aware of these issues and work around them. Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Why do they call it the Department of Interior when they are in charge of everything outdoors? Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 6/23/2014 10:28 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: > Hi Eileen, > > To be honest, braille on OS X is a bit substandard. As you can see, > it doesn't even quite work as designed in some text fields. I'd > encourage you to open the same document in TextEdit, for comparison. > Don't get your hopes up for anything like the quality of support from > the Windows screen readers, I'm afraid. > > With regard to BrailleNote in particular, the best way to figure out > what all the keys do is to examine the mappings in VoiceOver Utility. > I changed the panning buttons to be the outer keys, and vertical > navigation to be the inner ones. > > I hope you figure this out, but feel free to ask if you get stuck and > I'll try and recreate your issue. > > Cheers, > Sabahattin > >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroup
Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions
Anders, Can you explain more? You do not want speech on when using braille? I have not used my braille display that much yet with the Mac or iPhone but when I do, speech is on but if I don't want to hear it I can just mute it. I have not used it yet with Windows but will run NVDA when I do. But back to what the question I asked was, in what way is Apple's braikke support lacking? Knowing that, I can be ready for any issues I may run into. In my limited tests, braille output seems ok. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Why is there an expiration date on sour cream? Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 6/29/2014 11:21 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote: Hi! Swedish letters are verry strange sometimes. Also the movement of the braille could be much more easy. Now i am a power user of windows of course and also very used to linux and their environment and when moving around the braille display on a window doesn't afect the speech. However when moving the display over the window on the mac i still hear speech comming through. So the speech and braille follows each other which really annoys me. I want it to be as in window eyes or in orca or brltty for linux. /A 29 jun 2014 kl. 09:11 skrev Christopher Hallsworth : I know on iOS that translation from computer Braille to literary grade II Braille is best described as querky. This however has been fixed in iOS 7. What happened is you start typing a word such as black. If you're a quick typist then you won't see this problem. But if you are a slow one then you may end up with the letters b l a c just fine but after entering the k and the space the k would translate to knowledge. Someone can correct me on this though because I don't use Braille on iOS or OS X yet. I'm not aware of any issues pertaining to Braille under OS X. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 29/06/2014 02:29, Robert C wrote: Sabahattin, I wanted to come back to this and ask you, in what ways you feel that braille support in OS X (and iOS too?) is substandard. When I begin to use my Mac full time, I will connect my braille display most of the time. Therefore I want to be aware of these issues and work around them. Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Why do they call it the Department of Interior when they are in charge of everything outdoors? Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 6/23/2014 10:28 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: Hi Eileen, To be honest, braille on OS X is a bit substandard. As you can see, it doesn't even quite work as designed in some text fields. I'd encourage you to open the same document in TextEdit, for comparison. Don't get your hopes up for anything like the quality of support from the Windows screen readers, I'm afraid. With regard to BrailleNote in particular, the best way to figure out what all the keys do is to examine the mappings in VoiceOver Utility. I changed the panning buttons to be the outer keys, and vertical navigation to be the inner ones. I hope you figure this out, but feel free to ask if you get stuck and I'll try and recreate your issue. Cheers, Sabahattin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions
Hi! Swedish letters are verry strange sometimes. Also the movement of the braille could be much more easy. Now i am a power user of windows of course and also very used to linux and their environment and when moving around the braille display on a window doesn't afect the speech. However when moving the display over the window on the mac i still hear speech comming through. So the speech and braille follows each other which really annoys me. I want it to be as in window eyes or in orca or brltty for linux. /A 29 jun 2014 kl. 09:11 skrev Christopher Hallsworth : > I know on iOS that translation from computer Braille to literary grade II > Braille is best described as querky. This however has been fixed in iOS 7. > What happened is you start typing a word such as black. If you're a quick > typist then you won't see this problem. But if you are a slow one then you > may end up with the letters b l a c just fine but after entering the k and > the space the k would translate to knowledge. Someone can correct me on this > though because I don't use Braille on iOS or OS X yet. I'm not aware of any > issues pertaining to Braille under OS X. > > Christopher Hallsworth > Student at the Hadley School for the Blind > www.hadley.edu > > On 29/06/2014 02:29, Robert C wrote: >> Sabahattin, >>I wanted to come back to this and ask you, in what ways you feel >> that braille support in OS X (and iOS too?) is substandard. When I begin >> to use my Mac full time, I will connect my braille display most of the >> time. Therefore I want to be aware of these issues and work around them. >> Thanks. >> >> Quote of the nanosecond . . . >> Why do they call it the Department of Interior when they are in >> charge of everything outdoors? >> Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn >> E-mail- >> gone.to.da...@gmail.com >> >> On 6/23/2014 10:28 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: >>> Hi Eileen, >>> >>> To be honest, braille on OS X is a bit substandard. As you can see, >>> it doesn't even quite work as designed in some text fields. I'd >>> encourage you to open the same document in TextEdit, for comparison. >>> Don't get your hopes up for anything like the quality of support from >>> the Windows screen readers, I'm afraid. >>> >>> With regard to BrailleNote in particular, the best way to figure out >>> what all the keys do is to examine the mappings in VoiceOver Utility. >>> I changed the panning buttons to be the outer keys, and vertical >>> navigation to be the inner ones. >>> >>> I hope you figure this out, but feel free to ask if you get stuck and >>> I'll try and recreate your issue. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Sabahattin >>> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions
All the settings relating to braille is under the Voiceover settings. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Atheism is a non-prophet organization. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 6/29/2014 9:17 AM, Christopher Hallsworth wrote: Which is the new setting in iOS 7 and appears to fix the translation issue. Glad it does for you. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 29/06/2014 15:30, Robert C wrote: Turning off automatic braille translation in the iPhone settings fixes that. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Don't use a lot where a little will do. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 6/29/2014 12:11 AM, Christopher Hallsworth wrote: I know on iOS that translation from computer Braille to literary grade II Braille is best described as querky. This however has been fixed in iOS 7. What happened is you start typing a word such as black. If you're a quick typist then you won't see this problem. But if you are a slow one then you may end up with the letters b l a c just fine but after entering the k and the space the k would translate to knowledge. Someone can correct me on this though because I don't use Braille on iOS or OS X yet. I'm not aware of any issues pertaining to Braille under OS X. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 29/06/2014 02:29, Robert C wrote: Sabahattin, I wanted to come back to this and ask you, in what ways you feel that braille support in OS X (and iOS too?) is substandard. When I begin to use my Mac full time, I will connect my braille display most of the time. Therefore I want to be aware of these issues and work around them. Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Why do they call it the Department of Interior when they are in charge of everything outdoors? Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 6/23/2014 10:28 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: Hi Eileen, To be honest, braille on OS X is a bit substandard. As you can see, it doesn't even quite work as designed in some text fields. I'd encourage you to open the same document in TextEdit, for comparison. Don't get your hopes up for anything like the quality of support from the Windows screen readers, I'm afraid. With regard to BrailleNote in particular, the best way to figure out what all the keys do is to examine the mappings in VoiceOver Utility. I changed the panning buttons to be the outer keys, and vertical navigation to be the inner ones. I hope you figure this out, but feel free to ask if you get stuck and I'll try and recreate your issue. Cheers, Sabahattin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions
Which is the new setting in iOS 7 and appears to fix the translation issue. Glad it does for you. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 29/06/2014 15:30, Robert C wrote: Turning off automatic braille translation in the iPhone settings fixes that. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Don't use a lot where a little will do. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 6/29/2014 12:11 AM, Christopher Hallsworth wrote: I know on iOS that translation from computer Braille to literary grade II Braille is best described as querky. This however has been fixed in iOS 7. What happened is you start typing a word such as black. If you're a quick typist then you won't see this problem. But if you are a slow one then you may end up with the letters b l a c just fine but after entering the k and the space the k would translate to knowledge. Someone can correct me on this though because I don't use Braille on iOS or OS X yet. I'm not aware of any issues pertaining to Braille under OS X. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 29/06/2014 02:29, Robert C wrote: Sabahattin, I wanted to come back to this and ask you, in what ways you feel that braille support in OS X (and iOS too?) is substandard. When I begin to use my Mac full time, I will connect my braille display most of the time. Therefore I want to be aware of these issues and work around them. Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Why do they call it the Department of Interior when they are in charge of everything outdoors? Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 6/23/2014 10:28 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: Hi Eileen, To be honest, braille on OS X is a bit substandard. As you can see, it doesn't even quite work as designed in some text fields. I'd encourage you to open the same document in TextEdit, for comparison. Don't get your hopes up for anything like the quality of support from the Windows screen readers, I'm afraid. With regard to BrailleNote in particular, the best way to figure out what all the keys do is to examine the mappings in VoiceOver Utility. I changed the panning buttons to be the outer keys, and vertical navigation to be the inner ones. I hope you figure this out, but feel free to ask if you get stuck and I'll try and recreate your issue. Cheers, Sabahattin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions
Turning off automatic braille translation in the iPhone settings fixes that. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Don't use a lot where a little will do. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 6/29/2014 12:11 AM, Christopher Hallsworth wrote: I know on iOS that translation from computer Braille to literary grade II Braille is best described as querky. This however has been fixed in iOS 7. What happened is you start typing a word such as black. If you're a quick typist then you won't see this problem. But if you are a slow one then you may end up with the letters b l a c just fine but after entering the k and the space the k would translate to knowledge. Someone can correct me on this though because I don't use Braille on iOS or OS X yet. I'm not aware of any issues pertaining to Braille under OS X. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 29/06/2014 02:29, Robert C wrote: Sabahattin, I wanted to come back to this and ask you, in what ways you feel that braille support in OS X (and iOS too?) is substandard. When I begin to use my Mac full time, I will connect my braille display most of the time. Therefore I want to be aware of these issues and work around them. Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Why do they call it the Department of Interior when they are in charge of everything outdoors? Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 6/23/2014 10:28 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: Hi Eileen, To be honest, braille on OS X is a bit substandard. As you can see, it doesn't even quite work as designed in some text fields. I'd encourage you to open the same document in TextEdit, for comparison. Don't get your hopes up for anything like the quality of support from the Windows screen readers, I'm afraid. With regard to BrailleNote in particular, the best way to figure out what all the keys do is to examine the mappings in VoiceOver Utility. I changed the panning buttons to be the outer keys, and vertical navigation to be the inner ones. I hope you figure this out, but feel free to ask if you get stuck and I'll try and recreate your issue. Cheers, Sabahattin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions
Just turn off automatic braille translation. That way, it'll only translate when you press the space bar. On Jun 28, 2014, at 8:29 PM, Robert C wrote: > Sabahattin, > I wanted to come back to this and ask you, in what ways you feel that > braille support in OS X (and iOS too?) is substandard. When I begin to use my > Mac full time, I will connect my braille display most of the time. Therefore > I want to be aware of these issues and work around them. Thanks. > > Quote of the nanosecond . . . > Why do they call it the Department of Interior when they are in > charge of everything outdoors? > Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn > E-mail- > gone.to.da...@gmail.com > > On 6/23/2014 10:28 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: >> Hi Eileen, >> >> To be honest, braille on OS X is a bit substandard. As you can see, it >> doesn't even quite work as designed in some text fields. I'd encourage you >> to open the same document in TextEdit, for comparison. Don't get your hopes >> up for anything like the quality of support from the Windows screen readers, >> I'm afraid. >> >> With regard to BrailleNote in particular, the best way to figure out what >> all the keys do is to examine the mappings in VoiceOver Utility. I changed >> the panning buttons to be the outer keys, and vertical navigation to be the >> inner ones. >> >> I hope you figure this out, but feel free to ask if you get stuck and I'll >> try and recreate your issue. >> >> Cheers, >> Sabahattin >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions
I know on iOS that translation from computer Braille to literary grade II Braille is best described as querky. This however has been fixed in iOS 7. What happened is you start typing a word such as black. If you're a quick typist then you won't see this problem. But if you are a slow one then you may end up with the letters b l a c just fine but after entering the k and the space the k would translate to knowledge. Someone can correct me on this though because I don't use Braille on iOS or OS X yet. I'm not aware of any issues pertaining to Braille under OS X. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 29/06/2014 02:29, Robert C wrote: Sabahattin, I wanted to come back to this and ask you, in what ways you feel that braille support in OS X (and iOS too?) is substandard. When I begin to use my Mac full time, I will connect my braille display most of the time. Therefore I want to be aware of these issues and work around them. Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Why do they call it the Department of Interior when they are in charge of everything outdoors? Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 6/23/2014 10:28 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: Hi Eileen, To be honest, braille on OS X is a bit substandard. As you can see, it doesn't even quite work as designed in some text fields. I'd encourage you to open the same document in TextEdit, for comparison. Don't get your hopes up for anything like the quality of support from the Windows screen readers, I'm afraid. With regard to BrailleNote in particular, the best way to figure out what all the keys do is to examine the mappings in VoiceOver Utility. I changed the panning buttons to be the outer keys, and vertical navigation to be the inner ones. I hope you figure this out, but feel free to ask if you get stuck and I'll try and recreate your issue. Cheers, Sabahattin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions
Sabahattin, I wanted to come back to this and ask you, in what ways you feel that braille support in OS X (and iOS too?) is substandard. When I begin to use my Mac full time, I will connect my braille display most of the time. Therefore I want to be aware of these issues and work around them. Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Why do they call it the Department of Interior when they are in charge of everything outdoors? Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 6/23/2014 10:28 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: Hi Eileen, To be honest, braille on OS X is a bit substandard. As you can see, it doesn't even quite work as designed in some text fields. I'd encourage you to open the same document in TextEdit, for comparison. Don't get your hopes up for anything like the quality of support from the Windows screen readers, I'm afraid. With regard to BrailleNote in particular, the best way to figure out what all the keys do is to examine the mappings in VoiceOver Utility. I changed the panning buttons to be the outer keys, and vertical navigation to be the inner ones. I hope you figure this out, but feel free to ask if you get stuck and I'll try and recreate your issue. Cheers, Sabahattin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions
Eileen, I had to check out what the pan command does. Perhaps the Apex uses it differently. For the Braille Sense (also a 32 cell display), it moves by 32 items, not cells. My note taker is set to move by line using the scroll buttons. Might this act different when the display is connected to the Mac? I too need to spend some time with the Edge and Mac. Quote of the nanosecond . . . If toast always lands butter-side down, and cats always land on their feet, what happens if you strap toast on the back of a cat and drop it? Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 6/24/2014 4:42 PM, Eileen Misrahi wrote: Hi Robert, Thanks for that explanation. When I reviewed the command list for the Apex, the thumb buttons should pan the document to advance or go back to the previous chunk of 32 cells, which is the total cells on the Apex. I'll have to dig into this more when I have another amount of spare time to devote to it. Thanks. Eileen -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert C Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 3:34 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions Eileen, Tho I am far from being a proficient user of a braille display (the Braille Edge) with the Mac or iPhone, here is what I think may need to be made clear. The commands list in the VO guide is the list of "commom" commands that can be used on any braille display. Most of these seem to work. There is then a smaller list of commands that are specific to each display, assigned to the device's own buttons such as the pan commands which on the Edge are assigned to the scroll buttons. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Four things a woman should know: How to look like a girl, How to act like a lady, How to think like a man, And how to work like a dog. --Author Unknown Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 6/24/2014 3:08 PM, Eileen Misrahi wrote: Hello, I just responded to Jason's post on this matter. When you suggested to look at the mapping for the Apex in VO, where would I find this? I would assume in VO utility in braille. Is that correct? When I had either a Text Edit or iText Express document opened, the 2 inner keys on the Apex interacted with the doc and the 2 outer ones stopped interacting. Is this the way it should be acting? I do have Win 8.1 installed through bootcamp, so my best bet to use the Apex is through either JAWS or WE. Currently, I only installed JAWS on the Mac Air, but I'm getting pretty close in installing WE also. It's nice to have a choice when attempting to use braille to navigate the computer. Thanks for your suggestions and I look forward to further instructions on where to find the mapping for the Apex. Kind regards, Eileen -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 10:28 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions Hi Eileen, To be honest, braille on OS X is a bit substandard. As you can see, it doesn't even quite work as designed in some text fields. I'd encourage you to open the same document in TextEdit, for comparison. Don't get your hopes up for anything like the quality of support from the Windows screen readers, I'm afraid. With regard to BrailleNote in particular, the best way to figure out what all the keys do is to examine the mappings in VoiceOver Utility. I changed the panning buttons to be the outer keys, and vertical navigation to be the inner ones. I hope you figure this out, but feel free to ask if you get stuck and I'll try and recreate your issue. Cheers, Sabahattin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions
The table should be there, with a bunch of commands. Arrow to a row, interact, go-space on the menu button that says what the command does, and you can choose a new command. Or, press cmd-b (I think) to change the key combination assigned to the currently selected command. On Jun 24, 2014, at 7:54 PM, Eileen Misrahi wrote: > HiAlex, > > You are correct that space-G will toggle between contracted and uncontracted > braille in VO. When I poked around in the VO utility-braille and clicked on > "assigned keystrokes," I was only given a short countdown to input the new > keystroke to change the setting. Do I need to tab to a table for the list of > assigned keystrokes in VO for braille? This is all new to me, as I begin > increasing my skills and venturing out from the basics. > > Thanks in advance for your assistance. > > Best, > Eileen > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Alex Hall > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 3:07 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions > > All commands are in VO Utility > braille > Assign Commands. There, as the > name suggests, you can change any commands you don't like in addition to > reviewing what is already there. > > As to your braille grade, there is no relation between it and the Apex's > settings. The Mac is driving everything, so simply be sure to enable or > disable contracted braille in VO's braille settings. There should also be a > command to do this, and space-g is coming to mind, but I might be thinking of > iOS. > On Jun 24, 2014, at 6:01 PM, Eileen Misrahi wrote: > > > Hi Jason, > > Earlier today, I reviewed the support documents from Humanware for the Apex > using it as a braille display with VO, the "getting Started With VO" > document in the Vo help menu and the VO command help table for braille > commands. There wasn't much in the latter. I did put on keyboard help and > noticed a number of keystrokes with the Apex that weren't assigned. I'm > assuming that I can use these in assigning a keystroke with VO. The problem > still exists with the inability to pan from line to line and seeing the text > on the Apex's braille display in uncontracted braille. I also made sure that > the Apex contracted braille was turned on and it was. This is very funky. > The experience with my iPhone4 is quite different, with other items to get > use to. Any further suggestions on how to problem solve this would be great. > > > Thanks to all that have responded. > > Eileen > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason White > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 12:18 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions > > Eileen Misrahi wrote: > > Also, I have reviewed some of the braille keystrokes recently, but I > was having difficulty panning to the next line. If someone can point > me in the right direction that would be fantastic. > > I just started exploring this today. My display doesn't have a braille > keyboard for input, so the keys will be different. However, if you invoke > VoiceOver keyboard help with control-option-k, you should then be able to > press keys, or combinations of keys, on the braille display to find out what > commands have been assigned to them. The VoiceOver documentation also lists > braille display commands, most involving entering braille characters in > combination with the space bar, i.e., as chords, as they used to be called. > > Special keys, buttons etc., on your display should also be associated with > commands. If not, you can use the VoiceOver utility to assign commands to > keys as you wish. > > I hope this helps. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.goog
RE: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions
HiAlex, You are correct that space-G will toggle between contracted and uncontracted braille in VO. When I poked around in the VO utility-braille and clicked on "assigned keystrokes," I was only given a short countdown to input the new keystroke to change the setting. Do I need to tab to a table for the list of assigned keystrokes in VO for braille? This is all new to me, as I begin increasing my skills and venturing out from the basics. Thanks in advance for your assistance. Best, Eileen From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 3:07 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions All commands are in VO Utility > braille > Assign Commands. There, as the name suggests, you can change any commands you don't like in addition to reviewing what is already there. As to your braille grade, there is no relation between it and the Apex's settings. The Mac is driving everything, so simply be sure to enable or disable contracted braille in VO's braille settings. There should also be a command to do this, and space-g is coming to mind, but I might be thinking of iOS. On Jun 24, 2014, at 6:01 PM, Eileen Misrahi wrote: Hi Jason, Earlier today, I reviewed the support documents from Humanware for the Apex using it as a braille display with VO, the "getting Started With VO" document in the Vo help menu and the VO command help table for braille commands. There wasn't much in the latter. I did put on keyboard help and noticed a number of keystrokes with the Apex that weren't assigned. I'm assuming that I can use these in assigning a keystroke with VO. The problem still exists with the inability to pan from line to line and seeing the text on the Apex's braille display in uncontracted braille. I also made sure that the Apex contracted braille was turned on and it was. This is very funky. The experience with my iPhone4 is quite different, with other items to get use to. Any further suggestions on how to problem solve this would be great. Thanks to all that have responded. Eileen -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason White Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 12:18 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions Eileen Misrahi wrote: Also, I have reviewed some of the braille keystrokes recently, but I was having difficulty panning to the next line. If someone can point me in the right direction that would be fantastic. I just started exploring this today. My display doesn't have a braille keyboard for input, so the keys will be different. However, if you invoke VoiceOver keyboard help with control-option-k, you should then be able to press keys, or combinations of keys, on the braille display to find out what commands have been assigned to them. The VoiceOver documentation also lists braille display commands, most involving entering braille characters in combination with the space bar, i.e., as chords, as they used to be called. Special keys, buttons etc., on your display should also be associated with commands. If not, you can use the VoiceOver utility to assign commands to keys as you wish. I hope this helps. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
RE: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions
Hello Jessica, This is the only thing that I am having problems in with ML. I won't go as far as a clean install of the OS, since it was a bear to get Win 8.1 installed in bootcamp. That is another topic or thread for this list in the future. I have lived without a braille display this long, I can wait until Yosemite comes out and hope that this can be fixed in the new operating system. Thanks for your post and taking the time to write. Best, Eileen -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jessica D Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 3:08 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions Have you tried a reset of both devices? Kd that does not help, a clean install of osx may be needed. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 24, 2014, at 6:01 PM, "Eileen Misrahi" wrote: > > Hi Jason, > > Earlier today, I reviewed the support documents from Humanware for the > Apex using it as a braille display with VO, the "getting Started With VO" > document in the Vo help menu and the VO command help table for braille > commands. There wasn't much in the latter. I did put on keyboard help > and noticed a number of keystrokes with the Apex that weren't > assigned. I'm assuming that I can use these in assigning a keystroke > with VO. The problem still exists with the inability to pan from line > to line and seeing the text on the Apex's braille display in > uncontracted braille. I also made sure that the Apex contracted braille was turned on and it was. This is very funky. > The experience with my iPhone4 is quite different, with other items to > get use to. Any further suggestions on how to problem solve this would be great. > > > Thanks to all that have responded. > > Eileen > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason White > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 12:18 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions > > Eileen Misrahi wrote: >> Also, I have reviewed some of the braille keystrokes recently, but I >> was having difficulty panning to the next line. If someone can point >> me in the right direction that would be fantastic. > > I just started exploring this today. My display doesn't have a braille > keyboard for input, so the keys will be different. However, if you > invoke VoiceOver keyboard help with control-option-k, you should then > be able to press keys, or combinations of keys, on the braille display > to find out what commands have been assigned to them. The VoiceOver > documentation also lists braille display commands, most involving > entering braille characters in combination with the space bar, i.e., as chords, as they used to be called. > > Special keys, buttons etc., on your display should also be associated > with commands. If not, you can use the VoiceOver utility to assign > commands to keys as you wish. > > I hope this helps. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions
Hi Robert, Thanks for that explanation. When I reviewed the command list for the Apex, the thumb buttons should pan the document to advance or go back to the previous chunk of 32 cells, which is the total cells on the Apex. I'll have to dig into this more when I have another amount of spare time to devote to it. Thanks. Eileen -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert C Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 3:34 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions Eileen, Tho I am far from being a proficient user of a braille display (the Braille Edge) with the Mac or iPhone, here is what I think may need to be made clear. The commands list in the VO guide is the list of "commom" commands that can be used on any braille display. Most of these seem to work. There is then a smaller list of commands that are specific to each display, assigned to the device's own buttons such as the pan commands which on the Edge are assigned to the scroll buttons. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Four things a woman should know: How to look like a girl, How to act like a lady, How to think like a man, And how to work like a dog. --Author Unknown Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 6/24/2014 3:08 PM, Eileen Misrahi wrote: > Hello, > > I just responded to Jason's post on this matter. When you suggested to > look at the mapping for the Apex in VO, where would I find this? I > would assume in VO utility in braille. Is that correct? When I had > either a Text Edit or iText Express document opened, the 2 inner keys > on the Apex interacted with the doc and the 2 outer ones stopped > interacting. Is this the way it should be acting? I do have Win 8.1 > installed through bootcamp, so my best bet to use the Apex is through > either JAWS or WE. Currently, I only installed JAWS on the Mac Air, > but I'm getting pretty close in installing WE also. It's nice to have > a choice when attempting to use braille to navigate the computer. > Thanks for your suggestions and I look forward to further instructions on where to find the mapping for the Apex. > > Kind regards, > Eileen > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sabahattin > Gucukoglu > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 10:28 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions > > Hi Eileen, > > To be honest, braille on OS X is a bit substandard. As you can see, > it doesn't even quite work as designed in some text fields. I'd > encourage you to open the same document in TextEdit, for comparison. > Don't get your hopes up for anything like the quality of support from > the Windows screen readers, I'm afraid. > > With regard to BrailleNote in particular, the best way to figure out > what all the keys do is to examine the mappings in VoiceOver Utility. > I changed the panning buttons to be the outer keys, and vertical > navigation to be the inner ones. > > I hope you figure this out, but feel free to ask if you get stuck and > I'll try and recreate your issue. > > Cheers, > Sabahattin > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions
Eileen, Tho I am far from being a proficient user of a braille display (the Braille Edge) with the Mac or iPhone, here is what I think may need to be made clear. The commands list in the VO guide is the list of "commom" commands that can be used on any braille display. Most of these seem to work. There is then a smaller list of commands that are specific to each display, assigned to the device's own buttons such as the pan commands which on the Edge are assigned to the scroll buttons. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Four things a woman should know: How to look like a girl, How to act like a lady, How to think like a man, And how to work like a dog. --Author Unknown Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 6/24/2014 3:08 PM, Eileen Misrahi wrote: Hello, I just responded to Jason's post on this matter. When you suggested to look at the mapping for the Apex in VO, where would I find this? I would assume in VO utility in braille. Is that correct? When I had either a Text Edit or iText Express document opened, the 2 inner keys on the Apex interacted with the doc and the 2 outer ones stopped interacting. Is this the way it should be acting? I do have Win 8.1 installed through bootcamp, so my best bet to use the Apex is through either JAWS or WE. Currently, I only installed JAWS on the Mac Air, but I'm getting pretty close in installing WE also. It's nice to have a choice when attempting to use braille to navigate the computer. Thanks for your suggestions and I look forward to further instructions on where to find the mapping for the Apex. Kind regards, Eileen -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 10:28 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions Hi Eileen, To be honest, braille on OS X is a bit substandard. As you can see, it doesn't even quite work as designed in some text fields. I'd encourage you to open the same document in TextEdit, for comparison. Don't get your hopes up for anything like the quality of support from the Windows screen readers, I'm afraid. With regard to BrailleNote in particular, the best way to figure out what all the keys do is to examine the mappings in VoiceOver Utility. I changed the panning buttons to be the outer keys, and vertical navigation to be the inner ones. I hope you figure this out, but feel free to ask if you get stuck and I'll try and recreate your issue. Cheers, Sabahattin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions
Yes to both. Those are the right keys, and the key mappings are in VO Utility > Braille. Choose your display from the table (if you have more than one paired, or ever have done so) and then choose "change commands". Of course, these assignments have nothing to do with any Windows screen readers you use, and you'll need to disconnect VO before any other programs can use the Apex. On Jun 24, 2014, at 6:08 PM, Eileen Misrahi wrote: > Hello, > > I just responded to Jason's post on this matter. When you suggested to look > at the mapping for the Apex in VO, where would I find this? I would assume > in VO utility in braille. Is that correct? When I had either a Text Edit or > iText Express document opened, the 2 inner keys on the Apex interacted with > the doc and the 2 outer ones stopped interacting. Is this the way it should > be acting? I do have Win 8.1 installed through bootcamp, so my best bet to > use the Apex is through either JAWS or WE. Currently, I only installed JAWS > on the Mac Air, but I'm getting pretty close in installing WE also. It's > nice to have a choice when attempting to use braille to navigate the > computer. Thanks for your suggestions and I look forward to further > instructions on where to find the mapping for the Apex. > > Kind regards, > Eileen > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 10:28 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions > > Hi Eileen, > > To be honest, braille on OS X is a bit substandard. As you can see, it > doesn't even quite work as designed in some text fields. I'd encourage you > to open the same document in TextEdit, for comparison. Don't get your hopes > up for anything like the quality of support from the Windows screen readers, > I'm afraid. > > With regard to BrailleNote in particular, the best way to figure out what > all the keys do is to examine the mappings in VoiceOver Utility. I changed > the panning buttons to be the outer keys, and vertical navigation to be the > inner ones. > > I hope you figure this out, but feel free to ask if you get stuck and I'll > try and recreate your issue. > > Cheers, > Sabahattin > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions
Hello, I just responded to Jason's post on this matter. When you suggested to look at the mapping for the Apex in VO, where would I find this? I would assume in VO utility in braille. Is that correct? When I had either a Text Edit or iText Express document opened, the 2 inner keys on the Apex interacted with the doc and the 2 outer ones stopped interacting. Is this the way it should be acting? I do have Win 8.1 installed through bootcamp, so my best bet to use the Apex is through either JAWS or WE. Currently, I only installed JAWS on the Mac Air, but I'm getting pretty close in installing WE also. It's nice to have a choice when attempting to use braille to navigate the computer. Thanks for your suggestions and I look forward to further instructions on where to find the mapping for the Apex. Kind regards, Eileen -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 10:28 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions Hi Eileen, To be honest, braille on OS X is a bit substandard. As you can see, it doesn't even quite work as designed in some text fields. I'd encourage you to open the same document in TextEdit, for comparison. Don't get your hopes up for anything like the quality of support from the Windows screen readers, I'm afraid. With regard to BrailleNote in particular, the best way to figure out what all the keys do is to examine the mappings in VoiceOver Utility. I changed the panning buttons to be the outer keys, and vertical navigation to be the inner ones. I hope you figure this out, but feel free to ask if you get stuck and I'll try and recreate your issue. Cheers, Sabahattin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions
Have you tried a reset of both devices? Kd that does not help, a clean install of osx may be needed. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 24, 2014, at 6:01 PM, "Eileen Misrahi" > wrote: > > Hi Jason, > > Earlier today, I reviewed the support documents from Humanware for the Apex > using it as a braille display with VO, the "getting Started With VO" > document in the Vo help menu and the VO command help table for braille > commands. There wasn't much in the latter. I did put on keyboard help and > noticed a number of keystrokes with the Apex that weren't assigned. I'm > assuming that I can use these in assigning a keystroke with VO. The problem > still exists with the inability to pan from line to line and seeing the text > on the Apex's braille display in uncontracted braille. I also made sure that > the Apex contracted braille was turned on and it was. This is very funky. > The experience with my iPhone4 is quite different, with other items to get > use to. Any further suggestions on how to problem solve this would be great. > > > Thanks to all that have responded. > > Eileen > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason White > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 12:18 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions > > Eileen Misrahi wrote: >> Also, I have reviewed some of the braille keystrokes recently, but I >> was having difficulty panning to the next line. If someone can point >> me in the right direction that would be fantastic. > > I just started exploring this today. My display doesn't have a braille > keyboard for input, so the keys will be different. However, if you invoke > VoiceOver keyboard help with control-option-k, you should then be able to > press keys, or combinations of keys, on the braille display to find out what > commands have been assigned to them. The VoiceOver documentation also lists > braille display commands, most involving entering braille characters in > combination with the space bar, i.e., as chords, as they used to be called. > > Special keys, buttons etc., on your display should also be associated with > commands. If not, you can use the VoiceOver utility to assign commands to > keys as you wish. > > I hope this helps. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions
All commands are in VO Utility > braille > Assign Commands. There, as the name suggests, you can change any commands you don't like in addition to reviewing what is already there. As to your braille grade, there is no relation between it and the Apex's settings. The Mac is driving everything, so simply be sure to enable or disable contracted braille in VO's braille settings. There should also be a command to do this, and space-g is coming to mind, but I might be thinking of iOS. On Jun 24, 2014, at 6:01 PM, Eileen Misrahi wrote: > Hi Jason, > > Earlier today, I reviewed the support documents from Humanware for the Apex > using it as a braille display with VO, the "getting Started With VO" > document in the Vo help menu and the VO command help table for braille > commands. There wasn't much in the latter. I did put on keyboard help and > noticed a number of keystrokes with the Apex that weren't assigned. I'm > assuming that I can use these in assigning a keystroke with VO. The problem > still exists with the inability to pan from line to line and seeing the text > on the Apex's braille display in uncontracted braille. I also made sure that > the Apex contracted braille was turned on and it was. This is very funky. > The experience with my iPhone4 is quite different, with other items to get > use to. Any further suggestions on how to problem solve this would be great. > > > Thanks to all that have responded. > > Eileen > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason White > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 12:18 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions > > Eileen Misrahi wrote: >> Also, I have reviewed some of the braille keystrokes recently, but I >> was having difficulty panning to the next line. If someone can point >> me in the right direction that would be fantastic. > > I just started exploring this today. My display doesn't have a braille > keyboard for input, so the keys will be different. However, if you invoke > VoiceOver keyboard help with control-option-k, you should then be able to > press keys, or combinations of keys, on the braille display to find out what > commands have been assigned to them. The VoiceOver documentation also lists > braille display commands, most involving entering braille characters in > combination with the space bar, i.e., as chords, as they used to be called. > > Special keys, buttons etc., on your display should also be associated with > commands. If not, you can use the VoiceOver utility to assign commands to > keys as you wish. > > I hope this helps. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions
Hi Jason, Earlier today, I reviewed the support documents from Humanware for the Apex using it as a braille display with VO, the "getting Started With VO" document in the Vo help menu and the VO command help table for braille commands. There wasn't much in the latter. I did put on keyboard help and noticed a number of keystrokes with the Apex that weren't assigned. I'm assuming that I can use these in assigning a keystroke with VO. The problem still exists with the inability to pan from line to line and seeing the text on the Apex's braille display in uncontracted braille. I also made sure that the Apex contracted braille was turned on and it was. This is very funky. The experience with my iPhone4 is quite different, with other items to get use to. Any further suggestions on how to problem solve this would be great. Thanks to all that have responded. Eileen -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason White Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 12:18 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions Eileen Misrahi wrote: > Also, I have reviewed some of the braille keystrokes recently, but I > was having difficulty panning to the next line. If someone can point > me in the right direction that would be fantastic. I just started exploring this today. My display doesn't have a braille keyboard for input, so the keys will be different. However, if you invoke VoiceOver keyboard help with control-option-k, you should then be able to press keys, or combinations of keys, on the braille display to find out what commands have been assigned to them. The VoiceOver documentation also lists braille display commands, most involving entering braille characters in combination with the space bar, i.e., as chords, as they used to be called. Special keys, buttons etc., on your display should also be associated with commands. If not, you can use the VoiceOver utility to assign commands to keys as you wish. I hope this helps. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions
Eileen Misrahi wrote: > Also, I have reviewed some of the braille keystrokes recently, > but I was having difficulty panning to the next line. If someone can point > me in the right direction that would be fantastic. I just started exploring this today. My display doesn't have a braille keyboard for input, so the keys will be different. However, if you invoke VoiceOver keyboard help with control-option-k, you should then be able to press keys, or combinations of keys, on the braille display to find out what commands have been assigned to them. The VoiceOver documentation also lists braille display commands, most involving entering braille characters in combination with the space bar, i.e., as chords, as they used to be called. Special keys, buttons etc., on your display should also be associated with commands. If not, you can use the VoiceOver utility to assign commands to keys as you wish. I hope this helps. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions
Hi Eileen, To be honest, braille on OS X is a bit substandard. As you can see, it doesn't even quite work as designed in some text fields. I'd encourage you to open the same document in TextEdit, for comparison. Don't get your hopes up for anything like the quality of support from the Windows screen readers, I'm afraid. With regard to BrailleNote in particular, the best way to figure out what all the keys do is to examine the mappings in VoiceOver Utility. I changed the panning buttons to be the outer keys, and vertical navigation to be the inner ones. I hope you figure this out, but feel free to ask if you get stuck and I'll try and recreate your issue. Cheers, Sabahattin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Using BrailleNoe With Mac AirQuestions
Hello Folks, After several discussions about using braille, I decided to pair my BrailleNote Apex with my MacBook Air 2013. Pairing was no problem. I checked my settings in the voiceover utility to make sure that contracted braille was checked. However, when I opened a DOCX file with iText Express, the braille on the display was in uncontracted braille. Is there a setting that I am missing? Also, I have reviewed some of the braille keystrokes recently, but I was having difficulty panning to the next line. If someone can point me in the right direction that would be fantastic. In the meantime, I will begin to search out the braille commands in both the Apple documentation and at Humanware. Thanks in advance for your assistance. Kind regards, Eileen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
