Re: The Apple Event. What do people think?

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

On 20/3/22 14:31, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
I hope there will come a linux for these processors soon.


Already available as an alphe release:

https://asahilinux.org/2022/03/asahi-linux-alpha-release/


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Re: The Apple Event. What do people think?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I hope there will come a linux for these processors soon.
/A

> 20 mars 2022 kl. 18:22 skrev 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Apple’s hardware developers are offering a combination of performance and 
> efficiency that is, so far as I know, unmatched by any other commercially 
> available products. With the Mac Studio announcement, this trend continues.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Terje Strømberg 
> mailto:terjestrmb...@gmail.com>>
> Date: Sunday, 20March, 2022 at 02:39
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: The Apple Event. What do people think?
> 
> Yes. The mac studio desktop seems to be a very good device. 6 thunderbolt 
> connections with its own bus transport and 10Gb ethernet . I did not know 
> there was no screen. This youtuber reviewer has an pretty interesting 
> approach to all studio models. Bought for their own money and will compare 
> all models.
>  
> https://youtu.be/pJ7WN3yome4 <https://youtu.be/pJ7WN3yome4>
>  
>  
>  
>  
> lør. 19. mar. 2022 kl. 02:43 skrev Terje Strømberg  <mailto:terjestrmb...@gmail.com>>:
> Just wait for the iphone 14 pro. That piece will kill your bank account. I am 
> guessing of course. Based on you tube rumours. If it don't have millimeter 
> wave 5g i have to wait another year or get a new phone carrier payment plan. 
> I hope ther will be no issues with cpu chortage. I think americans can 
> develope make cpu gpu chips in the old minor mountain hills. Underground.
>  
> Take care
>  
>  
>  
> tir. 8. mar. 2022 kl. 22:56 skrev Herbie Allen  <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>>:
> I’d love to play with the Mac Studio, even if it’s the basic model. It’s less 
> than what I spent on my Intel Laptop in 2019 with customizations. 
> 
> > On Mar 8, 2022, at 14:26, Anders Holmberg  > <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi!
> > I actually listened to the Apple Event myself and I really don’t know what 
> > to say.
> > It was like, ok well great but then not!
> > Sounds interesting with the Mac studio sounds very interesting but it seems 
> > really expensive.
> > The new Iphone SE was also an interesting thing.
> > I guess there’s more to come in the June event.
> > /A
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Re: The Apple Event. What do people think?

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

Apple’s hardware developers are offering a combination of performance and 
efficiency that is, so far as I know, unmatched by any other commercially 
available products. With the Mac Studio announcement, this trend continues.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Terje Strømberg 
Date: Sunday, 20March, 2022 at 02:39
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: The Apple Event. What do people think?
Yes. The mac studio desktop seems to be a very good device. 6 thunderbolt 
connections with its own bus transport and 10Gb ethernet . I did not know there 
was no screen. This youtuber reviewer has an pretty interesting approach to all 
studio models. Bought for their own money and will compare all models.

https://youtu.be/pJ7WN3yome4




lør. 19. mar. 2022 kl. 02:43 skrev Terje Strømberg 
mailto:terjestrmb...@gmail.com>>:
Just wait for the iphone 14 pro. That piece will kill your bank account. I am 
guessing of course. Based on you tube rumours. If it don't have millimeter wave 
5g i have to wait another year or get a new phone carrier payment plan. I hope 
ther will be no issues with cpu chortage. I think americans can develope make 
cpu gpu chips in the old minor mountain hills. Underground.

Take care



tir. 8. mar. 2022 kl. 22:56 skrev Herbie Allen 
mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>>:
I’d love to play with the Mac Studio, even if it’s the basic model. It’s less 
than what I spent on my Intel Laptop in 2019 with customizations.

> On Mar 8, 2022, at 14:26, Anders Holmberg 
> mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
>
> Hi!
> I actually listened to the Apple Event myself and I really don’t know what to 
> say.
> It was like, ok well great but then not!
> Sounds interesting with the Mac studio sounds very interesting but it seems 
> really expensive.
> The new Iphone SE was also an interesting thing.
> I guess there’s more to come in the June event.
> /A
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Re: The Apple Event. What do people think?

[Terje Strømberg]

Yes. The mac studio desktop seems to be a very good device. 6 thunderbolt
connections with its own bus transport and 10Gb ethernet . I did not know
there was no screen. This youtuber reviewer has an pretty interesting
approach to all studio models. Bought for their own money and will compare
all models.

https://youtu.be/pJ7WN3yome4




lør. 19. mar. 2022 kl. 02:43 skrev Terje Strømberg :

> Just wait for the iphone 14 pro. That piece will kill your bank account. I
> am guessing of course. Based on you tube rumours. If it don't have
> millimeter wave 5g i have to wait another year or get a new phone carrier
> payment plan. I hope ther will be no issues with cpu chortage. I think
> americans can develope make cpu gpu chips in the old minor mountain hills.
> Underground.
>
> Take care
>
>
>
> tir. 8. mar. 2022 kl. 22:56 skrev Herbie Allen :
>
>> I’d love to play with the Mac Studio, even if it’s the basic model. It’s
>> less than what I spent on my Intel Laptop in 2019 with customizations.
>>
>> > On Mar 8, 2022, at 14:26, Anders Holmberg 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi!
>> > I actually listened to the Apple Event myself and I really don’t know
>> what to say.
>> > It was like, ok well great but then not!
>> > Sounds interesting with the Mac studio sounds very interesting but it
>> seems really expensive.
>> > The new Iphone SE was also an interesting thing.
>> > I guess there’s more to come in the June event.
>> > /A
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Re: The Apple Event. What do people think?

[Terje Strømberg]

Just wait for the iphone 14 pro. That piece will kill your bank account. I
am guessing of course. Based on you tube rumours. If it don't have
millimeter wave 5g i have to wait another year or get a new phone carrier
payment plan. I hope ther will be no issues with cpu chortage. I think
americans can develope make cpu gpu chips in the old minor mountain hills.
Underground.

Take care



tir. 8. mar. 2022 kl. 22:56 skrev Herbie Allen :

> I’d love to play with the Mac Studio, even if it’s the basic model. It’s
> less than what I spent on my Intel Laptop in 2019 with customizations.
>
> > On Mar 8, 2022, at 14:26, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> >
> > Hi!
> > I actually listened to the Apple Event myself and I really don’t know
> what to say.
> > It was like, ok well great but then not!
> > Sounds interesting with the Mac studio sounds very interesting but it
> seems really expensive.
> > The new Iphone SE was also an interesting thing.
> > I guess there’s more to come in the June event.
> > /A
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Re: The Apple Event. What do people think?

[Herbie Allen]

I’d love to play with the Mac Studio, even if it’s the basic model. It’s less 
than what I spent on my Intel Laptop in 2019 with customizations. 

> On Mar 8, 2022, at 14:26, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I actually listened to the Apple Event myself and I really don’t know what to 
> say.
> It was like, ok well great but then not!
> Sounds interesting with the Mac studio sounds very interesting but it seems 
> really expensive.
> The new Iphone SE was also an interesting thing.
> I guess there’s more to come in the June event.
> /A
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Re: The Apple Event. What do people think?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Yes I agree there.
Its a bit to less with 64 gb but I guess its for those who has the ability to 
use fast wifi and can store everything into the cloud.
I was hoping for a m2 MacBook Air but I guess I’ll have to wait for that.
/A

> 8 mars 2022 kl. 21:46 skrev joseph hodge :
> 
> For me the Mac studio is only that wouldn’t appeal to me anyway it’s meant 
> for really professional folks that need top of the line computing. Probably 
> 100% of us on this list that doesn’t apply for. The iPhone SE is not my 
> preferred line but for those folks who need 5G and wanna cheap solution I 
> think it’s a great option. I don’t think we’ll see much in June that’s 
> usually developer conference they typically don’t release any actual 
> products. One of the things I thought was cool was the iPad Air getting the 
> M1 chip as a blind individual there’s less than less reason for needing the 
> pro if you wanted an iPad. I was disappointed with the configuration I think 
> 64 is just way too little at this point should’ve been 128 or 256 for the 
> base.
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Re: The Apple Event. What do people think?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Joe,

I could be wrong about this, but I thought they said that the Air comes in both 
64 and 256,
Cheers,
Donna


> On Mar 8, 2022, at 2:46 PM, joseph hodge  wrote:
> 
> For me the Mac studio is only that wouldn’t appeal to me anyway it’s meant 
> for really professional folks that need top of the line computing. Probably 
> 100% of us on this list that doesn’t apply for. The iPhone SE is not my 
> preferred line but for those folks who need 5G and wanna cheap solution I 
> think it’s a great option. I don’t think we’ll see much in June that’s 
> usually developer conference they typically don’t release any actual 
> products. One of the things I thought was cool was the iPad Air getting the 
> M1 chip as a blind individual there’s less than less reason for needing the 
> pro if you wanted an iPad. I was disappointed with the configuration I think 
> 64 is just way too little at this point should’ve been 128 or 256 for the 
> base.
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Re: The Apple Event. What do people think?

[joseph hodge]

For me the Mac studio is only that wouldn’t appeal to me anyway it’s meant for 
really professional folks that need top of the line computing. Probably 100% of 
us on this list that doesn’t apply for. The iPhone SE is not my preferred line 
but for those folks who need 5G and wanna cheap solution I think it’s a great 
option. I don’t think we’ll see much in June that’s usually developer 
conference they typically don’t release any actual products. One of the things 
I thought was cool was the iPad Air getting the M1 chip as a blind individual 
there’s less than less reason for needing the pro if you wanted an iPad. I was 
disappointed with the configuration I think 64 is just way too little at this 
point should’ve been 128 or 256 for the base.

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The Apple Event. What do people think?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I actually listened to the Apple Event myself and I really don’t know what to 
say.
It was like, ok well great but then not!
Sounds interesting with the Mac studio sounds very interesting but it seems 
really expensive.
The new Iphone SE was also an interesting thing.
I guess there’s more to come in the June event.
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Let's Talk Apple Event for May 22nd; change of date and additional instructions

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> Because of medical issues in my family and other distractions, the event is 
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Re: google notification re apple event

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Yes sadly but true.
I actually was in the Apple Store we have here in Stockholm and checked the 
Earpods pro and i was really impressed by the look and feel of them.
/A

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RE: google notification re apple event

[Simon A Fogarty]

I find drinking it causes headaches but I’ve never had byting from it.

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Hi!
No but it won’t surprise me.
Corona is coming to bite ya!
/A


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mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>>:

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I’ve cross posted to get this to everyone,

I’ve been doing some hunting online using chrome as my browser,

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March Apple event has been cancelled.
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RE: google notification re apple event

[Simon A Fogarty]

Cheers Brad,

That explains more about  what is going on.

Oh well guess I’ll have to wait longer for my new earpods


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Apple cancels rumored March event with ‘iPhone SE 2’ delayed indefinitely
Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:06 pm
· News<https://macdailynews.com/category/news/>

Due to the COVID-19<https://macdailynews.com/tag/covid-19/> coronavirus, Apple 
has canceled a special media event originally set for March after experiencing 
continued production delays to the “iPhone SE 2,” Cult of Macreports, citing “a 
source at Apple.”
[Apple iPhone SE 2 event. Apple's new budget-friendly iPhone is said to closely 
match iPhone 8's physical specs]Apple’s new budget-friendly iPhone is said to 
closely match iPhone 8’s physical specs

Brad Gibson for Cult of 
Mac<https://www.cultofmac.com/690981/iphone-se-2-delayed-indefinitely-apple-nixes-march-product-event/>:

A number of other problems played into the decision to delay the event that was 
being planned, including the worsening impact of the COVID-19 strain of the 
coronavirus in California and elsewhere.

The source said Apple grew “concerned” about bringing together some 1,000 
people for the event, originally planned for late March at the Steve Jobs 
Theater at Apple Park in Cupertino, California.

MacDailyNews Take: Just last week, the Public Health Department of the County 
of Santa Clara (in which Cupertino’s Apple Park and the Steve Jobs Theater 
reside) announced new guidance designed to reduce the spread of the virus in 
the community, so Apple’s cancelation of their iPhone SE 2 event makes perfect 
sense. No sense launching a product if you have no stock on hand*. 
Unfortunately, those waiting for Apple’s new “budget” iPhone will have to wait 
a little longer.

*although that didn’t stop Apple from doing just that with the original Apple 
Watch. 


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Re: google notification re apple event

[matthew dyer]

Yes it was announced in Mac daily news.  The new Iphone se2 is delade as well.  

Matthew



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Re: google notification re apple event

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
No but it won’t surprise me.
Corona is coming to bite ya!
/A

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Re: [PBU] google notification re apple event

[Jessica Dail]

Hi,
yes, I heard that it was cancelled, then later postponed, but a new date has 
not been set yet. 
I'll keep everyone posted, once a new date is announced. 
WWDC is also in limbo. 
That's my favorite event of the year, so seeing it get cancelled, would be very 
sad. 

Thanks,
Jessica


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Re: google notification re apple event

[Brad Snyder]

Apple cancels rumored March event with ‘iPhone SE 2’ delayed indefinitely

Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:06 pm News
Due to the COVID-19 coronavirus, Apple has canceled a special media event 
originally set for March after experiencing continued production delays to the 
“iPhone SE 2,” Cult of Macreports, citing “a source at Apple.”


Apple’s new budget-friendly iPhone is said to closely match iPhone 8’s physical 
specs
Brad Gibson for Cult of Mac:

A number of other problems played into the decision to delay the event that was 
being planned, including the worsening impact of the COVID-19 strain of the 
coronavirus in California and elsewhere.

The source said Apple grew “concerned” about bringing together some 1,000 
people for the event, originally planned for late March at the Steve Jobs 
Theater at Apple Park in Cupertino, California.

MacDailyNews Take: Just last week, the Public Health Department of the County 
of Santa Clara (in which Cupertino’s Apple Park and the Steve Jobs Theater 
reside) announced new guidance designed to reduce the spread of the virus in 
the community, so Apple’s cancelation of their iPhone SE 2 event makes perfect 
sense. No sense launching a product if you have no stock on hand*. 
Unfortunately, those waiting for Apple’s new “budget” iPhone will have to wait 
a little longer.

*although that didn’t stop Apple from doing just that with the original Apple 
Watch. 



> On Mar 12, 2020, at 00:53, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 


Hi Lists,
 
I’ve cross posted to get this to everyone,
 
I’ve been doing some hunting online using chrome as my browser,
 
While I was searching a auto popup from chrome spoke to me saying that the 
March Apple event has been cancelled.
Has anyone else heard this as yet?
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google notification re apple event

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Hi Lists,

I've cross posted to get this to everyone,

I've been doing some hunting online using chrome as my browser,

While I was searching a auto popup from chrome spoke to me saying that the 
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RE: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Simon Fogarty]

My mother is 77 and still havs trouble using her computer and as for a phone 
she has a very basic phone that’s not running either android or IOS,
She only makes calls or sends a text / sms message,
I’ve tried her with an iPhone and she had no idea,

A lot of the usability for these devices is due to the users attitude to learn 
and use.

I work with sighted colleagues and they spit the dummy when they find voiceover 
on  on one of our iMacs because they don’t know how to turn it off.

And if I hide the mouse connected to a machine, they go crazy because they have 
no idea how to use a machine without a mouse.

It’s all attitude.


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Tuesday, 29 March 2016 6:55 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

As much as I think iOS is on the whole superior to android, especially for 
blind users, it is nonetheless true that android has a huge share of the phone 
market worldwide. Therefore, I am not sure that your sample of two tells us 
much of anything. Surely, in all those places where they have all those android 
phones, some of the users are elderly etc. of course, part of the issue is that 
you can get an android phone that works reasonably well for a whole lot less 
then you have to pay for an iPhone.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2016, at 10:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu 
<kgli...@icloud.com<mailto:kgli...@icloud.com>> wrote:
Hello.

Today, I was leaving London after seeing my mother.  Although she is asian and 
can’t use computers or phones, someone had bought her an Android phone which 
she had not mastered.  Lots of people have shown her how to use it but she 
can’t do it.  So she begged me not to sell my I phone six plus S meaning that 
if I were to sell it, she would want it as I think she is seeing many people 
using the I phone and for her, pictures as she sees people taking pictures with 
their I phones.  Anyway, she said she would give me money in advance so that on 
the event of selling my I phone six plus S, she should have it as she said that 
my phone looked miles better than her android phone.

I was rather surprised but it just shows that sighted people say that the I 
phone looks better than the phone that she has.  I was rather amused!  My 
father who is over 70, will not touch an android, he says the I phone is great. 
 So what does that tell us?
On 28 Mar 2016, at 17:00, Scott Granados 
<sc...@qualityip.net<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:

Android has made improvements but it’s definitely not there.  Then again that 
makes me a bad person for saying that especially on the eyes free list.:)  I’m 
a user of both, both have their place but for real work it’s IOS for me hands 
down, at least so far.  I like you will not stick with Apple if someone starts 
improving on these areas and can deliver me at least as stable and usable a 
solution.  That’s a big ask even with Apple’s issues.

I agree with you completely though.



On Mar 28, 2016, at 10:12 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu 
<listse...@me.com<mailto:listse...@me.com>> wrote:

Quite right: stability is king.  I can count on my two hands the number of 
features since, say, iOS 6 or OS X Snow Leopard that are actually relevant and 
necessary and that could have been engineered to perfection by now.  The rest 
of it is so much trash.  Sadly, yeah, Apple is always about “Pushing the 
envelope” which for practical purposes means we have to endure a never ending 
stream of unfinished tripe, especially now that the release cycle is 
once-a-year and driven by hardware release and business roadmaps rather than 
software quality.  Don’t get me wrong, I’m always excited by the next big thing 
(TM), but it’s always a tragic realisation to me (and always too late) that the 
problems in the new stuff are vastly more damaging to the product than the 
absence of the features in the older and more stable product, so that 
downgrading (or, increasingly, not upgrading) are both viable and necessary and 
positively affect my experience.  If I could use, say, Mountain Lion and iOS 6, 
I probably would.

But hey, at least it’s better than Android. :)

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RE: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Simon Fogarty]

I've got an android 5 device and the accessibility to me is still no where near 
what apple have 

Both in general access and application accessibility.



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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Tuesday, 29 March 2016 5:00 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

Android has made improvements but it’s definitely not there.  Then again that 
makes me a bad person for saying that especially on the eyes free list.:)  I’m 
a user of both, both have their place but for real work it’s IOS for me hands 
down, at least so far.  I like you will not stick with Apple if someone starts 
improving on these areas and can deliver me at least as stable and usable a 
solution.  That’s a big ask even with Apple’s issues.

I agree with you completely though.


> On Mar 28, 2016, at 10:12 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu <listse...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Quite right: stability is king.  I can count on my two hands the number of 
> features since, say, iOS 6 or OS X Snow Leopard that are actually relevant 
> and necessary and that could have been engineered to perfection by now.  The 
> rest of it is so much trash.  Sadly, yeah, Apple is always about “Pushing the 
> envelope” which for practical purposes means we have to endure a never ending 
> stream of unfinished tripe, especially now that the release cycle is 
> once-a-year and driven by hardware release and business roadmaps rather than 
> software quality.  Don’t get me wrong, I’m always excited by the next big 
> thing (TM), but it’s always a tragic realisation to me (and always too late) 
> that the problems in the new stuff are vastly more damaging to the product 
> than the absence of the features in the older and more stable product, so 
> that downgrading (or, increasingly, not upgrading) are both viable and 
> necessary and positively affect my experience.  If I could use, say, Mountain 
> Lion and iOS 6, I probably would.
> 
> But hey, at least it’s better than Android. :)
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Mary Otten]

As much as I think iOS is on the whole superior to android, especially for 
blind users, it is nonetheless true that android has a huge share of the phone 
market worldwide. Therefore, I am not sure that your sample of two tells us 
much of anything. Surely, in all those places where they have all those android 
phones, some of the users are elderly etc. of course, part of the issue is that 
you can get an android phone that works reasonably well for a whole lot less 
then you have to pay for an iPhone.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 28, 2016, at 10:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hello.
> 
> Today, I was leaving London after seeing my mother.  Although she is asian 
> and can’t use computers or phones, someone had bought her an Android phone 
> which she had not mastered.  Lots of people have shown her how to use it but 
> she can’t do it.  So she begged me not to sell my I phone six plus S meaning 
> that if I were to sell it, she would want it as I think she is seeing many 
> people using the I phone and for her, pictures as she sees people taking 
> pictures with their I phones.  Anyway, she said she would give me money in 
> advance so that on the event of selling my I phone six plus S, she should 
> have it as she said that my phone looked miles better than her android phone.
> 
> I was rather surprised but it just shows that sighted people say that the I 
> phone looks better than the phone that she has.  I was rather amused!  My 
> father who is over 70, will not touch an android, he says the I phone is 
> great.  So what does that tell us?
>> On 28 Mar 2016, at 17:00, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Android has made improvements but it’s definitely not there.  Then again 
>> that makes me a bad person for saying that especially on the eyes free 
>> list.:)  I’m a user of both, both have their place but for real work it’s 
>> IOS for me hands down, at least so far.  I like you will not stick with 
>> Apple if someone starts improving on these areas and can deliver me at least 
>> as stable and usable a solution.  That’s a big ask even with Apple’s issues.
>> 
>> I agree with you completely though.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 28, 2016, at 10:12 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Quite right: stability is king.  I can count on my two hands the number of 
>>> features since, say, iOS 6 or OS X Snow Leopard that are actually relevant 
>>> and necessary and that could have been engineered to perfection by now.  
>>> The rest of it is so much trash.  Sadly, yeah, Apple is always about 
>>> “Pushing the envelope” which for practical purposes means we have to endure 
>>> a never ending stream of unfinished tripe, especially now that the release 
>>> cycle is once-a-year and driven by hardware release and business roadmaps 
>>> rather than software quality.  Don’t get me wrong, I’m always excited by 
>>> the next big thing (TM), but it’s always a tragic realisation to me (and 
>>> always too late) that the problems in the new stuff are vastly more 
>>> damaging to the product than the absence of the features in the older and 
>>> more stable product, so that downgrading (or, increasingly, not upgrading) 
>>> are both viable and necessary and positively affect my experience.  If I 
>>> could use, say, Mountain Lion and iOS 6, I probably would.
>>> 
>>> But hey, at least it’s better than Android. :)
>>> 
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hello.

Today, I was leaving London after seeing my mother.  Although she is asian and 
can’t use computers or phones, someone had bought her an Android phone which 
she had not mastered.  Lots of people have shown her how to use it but she 
can’t do it.  So she begged me not to sell my I phone six plus S meaning that 
if I were to sell it, she would want it as I think she is seeing many people 
using the I phone and for her, pictures as she sees people taking pictures with 
their I phones.  Anyway, she said she would give me money in advance so that on 
the event of selling my I phone six plus S, she should have it as she said that 
my phone looked miles better than her android phone.

I was rather surprised but it just shows that sighted people say that the I 
phone looks better than the phone that she has.  I was rather amused!  My 
father who is over 70, will not touch an android, he says the I phone is great. 
 So what does that tell us?
> On 28 Mar 2016, at 17:00, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Android has made improvements but it’s definitely not there.  Then again that 
> makes me a bad person for saying that especially on the eyes free list.:)  
> I’m a user of both, both have their place but for real work it’s IOS for me 
> hands down, at least so far.  I like you will not stick with Apple if someone 
> starts improving on these areas and can deliver me at least as stable and 
> usable a solution.  That’s a big ask even with Apple’s issues.
> 
> I agree with you completely though.
> 
> 
>> On Mar 28, 2016, at 10:12 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Quite right: stability is king.  I can count on my two hands the number of 
>> features since, say, iOS 6 or OS X Snow Leopard that are actually relevant 
>> and necessary and that could have been engineered to perfection by now.  The 
>> rest of it is so much trash.  Sadly, yeah, Apple is always about “Pushing 
>> the envelope” which for practical purposes means we have to endure a never 
>> ending stream of unfinished tripe, especially now that the release cycle is 
>> once-a-year and driven by hardware release and business roadmaps rather than 
>> software quality.  Don’t get me wrong, I’m always excited by the next big 
>> thing (TM), but it’s always a tragic realisation to me (and always too late) 
>> that the problems in the new stuff are vastly more damaging to the product 
>> than the absence of the features in the older and more stable product, so 
>> that downgrading (or, increasingly, not upgrading) are both viable and 
>> necessary and positively affect my experience.  If I could use, say, 
>> Mountain Lion and iOS 6, I probably would.
>> 
>> But hey, at least it’s better than Android. :)
>> 
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Scott Granados]

Android has made improvements but it’s definitely not there.  Then again that 
makes me a bad person for saying that especially on the eyes free list.:)  I’m 
a user of both, both have their place but for real work it’s IOS for me hands 
down, at least so far.  I like you will not stick with Apple if someone starts 
improving on these areas and can deliver me at least as stable and usable a 
solution.  That’s a big ask even with Apple’s issues.

I agree with you completely though.


> On Mar 28, 2016, at 10:12 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Quite right: stability is king.  I can count on my two hands the number of 
> features since, say, iOS 6 or OS X Snow Leopard that are actually relevant 
> and necessary and that could have been engineered to perfection by now.  The 
> rest of it is so much trash.  Sadly, yeah, Apple is always about “Pushing the 
> envelope” which for practical purposes means we have to endure a never ending 
> stream of unfinished tripe, especially now that the release cycle is 
> once-a-year and driven by hardware release and business roadmaps rather than 
> software quality.  Don’t get me wrong, I’m always excited by the next big 
> thing (TM), but it’s always a tragic realisation to me (and always too late) 
> that the problems in the new stuff are vastly more damaging to the product 
> than the absence of the features in the older and more stable product, so 
> that downgrading (or, increasingly, not upgrading) are both viable and 
> necessary and positively affect my experience.  If I could use, say, Mountain 
> Lion and iOS 6, I probably would.
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Quite right: stability is king.  I can count on my two hands the number of 
features since, say, iOS 6 or OS X Snow Leopard that are actually relevant and 
necessary and that could have been engineered to perfection by now.  The rest 
of it is so much trash.  Sadly, yeah, Apple is always about “Pushing the 
envelope” which for practical purposes means we have to endure a never ending 
stream of unfinished tripe, especially now that the release cycle is 
once-a-year and driven by hardware release and business roadmaps rather than 
software quality.  Don’t get me wrong, I’m always excited by the next big thing 
(TM), but it’s always a tragic realisation to me (and always too late) that the 
problems in the new stuff are vastly more damaging to the product than the 
absence of the features in the older and more stable product, so that 
downgrading (or, increasingly, not upgrading) are both viable and necessary and 
positively affect my experience.  If I could use, say, Mountain Lion and iOS 6, 
I probably would.

But hey, at least it’s better than Android. :)

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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Scott Granados]

Compared with android it also works.  Android is a train wreck when it comes to 
accessibility.  Tell me what good is an operating system with accessibility 
features where the web is useless?

Features are good, I’d rather have my features work.  Apple n needs to stick to 
the just works attitude and the simple grid.  I like and agree with that 
position although I don’t think they will do it.

> On Mar 27, 2016, at 12:43 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> That would be the same Steve Jobs who brought us mobile me and antenna gate? 
> No one is perfect. You can't live in the past. And compared with android, 
> it's still way simpler.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 26, 2016, at 9:35 PM, Kevin Chao  > wrote:
> 
>> With the intro of another iPad Pro and re-intro of 4" iPhone SE. This was in 
>> addition to the other hardware SKUs that seem to be added with each hardware 
>> intro event.
>> This is almost dé·jà vu of when Pepsi CEO  had every pro/consumer hardware 
>> SKUs under the planet that utterly confused and overhwelmed the market. Too 
>> bad we won't be able to have Steve Jobs come back in and make the simple 4x4 
>> grid of pro/consumer and desktop/laptop. . The magic, "just works" and 
>> simpleintuitive Apple is long gone...
>> 
>> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 9:41 AM 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>> > 
>> wrote:
>> Not sure I would call it a Mac issue. The rate of growth of Mac sales
>> have slowed from last year in Q4 (2.8% up) but that's better than the
>> overall PC market which shrank (8.3% down). Might just be an indication
>> of overall market trends. That said, PCs (in the generic sense) tend to
>> be more durable than mobile devices which get replaced far more often
>> and generally cost more. So maybe the PC market is just getting
>> saturated. My wife's MacBook is now 8 years old and still works fine. In
>> that same time period she went through three phones. Maybe not typical
>> but I wouldn't declare the death of the PC platform based just on unit
>> sales.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 3/26/16 6:23 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
>> > I’d watch it.  The bits you’re interested in are at the start, where Apple 
>> > talk about recycling, and the end, where Apple proclaim that it’s “Really 
>> > sad” that people are using PCs that are five years old.
>> >
>> > Me?  Cynical?  Never! :)
>> >
>> > I think the Mac is dead, anyway.  Well, if you disagree, cool beans, but I 
>> > think it’s fairly evident that Macs fall under the general umbrella of 
>> > PCs.  And, don’t you think it’s fairly apparent from the non-appearance of 
>> > new Macs and the quality of OS X nowadays?
>> >
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello,

Another way of looking at it is that our behaviour in our choices. Are what 
Apple are responding to in the products that they offer. Many of these messages 
on these lists state that they are sent from an iPhone or such other mobile 
device. We just don’t want to go into our offices and sit at a desk and wait 
for a PC or Mac to boot up. We’ll never go back to being tied to a desktop 
machine like we were just a few years ago. That’s how I understood Tim’s 
comments. The power of the Pro is allowing users to do more than they did at 
their desktops. I think Tim stated that this was customers testimony. Wasn’t it 
a film maker using Pro’s instead of desktop machines.

Why even Microsoft are producing mobile hardware. Unheard of years ago.

Times are a changing folks.

Gena


> On 27 Mar 2016, at 05:35, Kevin Chao  wrote:
> 
> With the intro of another iPad Pro and re-intro of 4" iPhone SE. This was in 
> addition to the other hardware SKUs that seem to be added with each hardware 
> intro event.
> This is almost dé·jà vu of when Pepsi CEO  had every pro/consumer hardware 
> SKUs under the planet that utterly confused and overhwelmed the market. Too 
> bad we won't be able to have Steve Jobs come back in and make the simple 4x4 
> grid of pro/consumer and desktop/laptop. . The magic, "just works" and 
> simpleintuitive Apple is long gone...
> 
> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 9:41 AM 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
> > 
> wrote:
> Not sure I would call it a Mac issue. The rate of growth of Mac sales
> have slowed from last year in Q4 (2.8% up) but that's better than the
> overall PC market which shrank (8.3% down). Might just be an indication
> of overall market trends. That said, PCs (in the generic sense) tend to
> be more durable than mobile devices which get replaced far more often
> and generally cost more. So maybe the PC market is just getting
> saturated. My wife's MacBook is now 8 years old and still works fine. In
> that same time period she went through three phones. Maybe not typical
> but I wouldn't declare the death of the PC platform based just on unit
> sales.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 3/26/16 6:23 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
> > I’d watch it.  The bits you’re interested in are at the start, where Apple 
> > talk about recycling, and the end, where Apple proclaim that it’s “Really 
> > sad” that people are using PCs that are five years old.
> >
> > Me?  Cynical?  Never! :)
> >
> > I think the Mac is dead, anyway.  Well, if you disagree, cool beans, but I 
> > think it’s fairly evident that Macs fall under the general umbrella of PCs. 
> >  And, don’t you think it’s fairly apparent from the non-appearance of new 
> > Macs and the quality of OS X nowadays?
> >
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Mary Otten]

That would be the same Steve Jobs who brought us mobile me and antenna gate? No 
one is perfect. You can't live in the past. And compared with android, it's 
still way simpler.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 26, 2016, at 9:35 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
> 
> With the intro of another iPad Pro and re-intro of 4" iPhone SE. This was in 
> addition to the other hardware SKUs that seem to be added with each hardware 
> intro event.
> This is almost dé·jà vu of when Pepsi CEO  had every pro/consumer hardware 
> SKUs under the planet that utterly confused and overhwelmed the market. Too 
> bad we won't be able to have Steve Jobs come back in and make the simple 4x4 
> grid of pro/consumer and desktop/laptop. . The magic, "just works" and 
> simpleintuitive Apple is long gone...
> 
>> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 9:41 AM 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> Not sure I would call it a Mac issue. The rate of growth of Mac sales
>> have slowed from last year in Q4 (2.8% up) but that's better than the
>> overall PC market which shrank (8.3% down). Might just be an indication
>> of overall market trends. That said, PCs (in the generic sense) tend to
>> be more durable than mobile devices which get replaced far more often
>> and generally cost more. So maybe the PC market is just getting
>> saturated. My wife's MacBook is now 8 years old and still works fine. In
>> that same time period she went through three phones. Maybe not typical
>> but I wouldn't declare the death of the PC platform based just on unit
>> sales.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 3/26/16 6:23 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
>> > I’d watch it.  The bits you’re interested in are at the start, where Apple 
>> > talk about recycling, and the end, where Apple proclaim that it’s “Really 
>> > sad” that people are using PCs that are five years old.
>> >
>> > Me?  Cynical?  Never! :)
>> >
>> > I think the Mac is dead, anyway.  Well, if you disagree, cool beans, but I 
>> > think it’s fairly evident that Macs fall under the general umbrella of 
>> > PCs.  And, don’t you think it’s fairly apparent from the non-appearance of 
>> > new Macs and the quality of OS X nowadays?
>> >
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Kevin Chao]

With the intro of another iPad Pro and re-intro of 4" iPhone SE. This was
in addition to the other hardware SKUs that seem to be added with each
hardware intro event.
This is almost dé·jà vu of when Pepsi CEO  had every pro/consumer hardware
SKUs under the planet that utterly confused and overhwelmed the market. Too
bad we won't be able to have Steve Jobs come back in and make the simple
4x4 grid of pro/consumer and desktop/laptop. . The magic, "just works" and
simpleintuitive Apple is long gone...

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 9:41 AM 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Not sure I would call it a Mac issue. The rate of growth of Mac sales
> have slowed from last year in Q4 (2.8% up) but that's better than the
> overall PC market which shrank (8.3% down). Might just be an indication
> of overall market trends. That said, PCs (in the generic sense) tend to
> be more durable than mobile devices which get replaced far more often
> and generally cost more. So maybe the PC market is just getting
> saturated. My wife's MacBook is now 8 years old and still works fine. In
> that same time period she went through three phones. Maybe not typical
> but I wouldn't declare the death of the PC platform based just on unit
> sales.
>
> CB
>
> On 3/26/16 6:23 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
> > I’d watch it.  The bits you’re interested in are at the start, where
> Apple talk about recycling, and the end, where Apple proclaim that it’s
> “Really sad” that people are using PCs that are five years old.
> >
> > Me?  Cynical?  Never! :)
> >
> > I think the Mac is dead, anyway.  Well, if you disagree, cool beans, but
> I think it’s fairly evident that Macs fall under the general umbrella of
> PCs.  And, don’t you think it’s fairly apparent from the non-appearance of
> new Macs and the quality of OS X nowadays?
> >
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Not sure I would call it a Mac issue. The rate of growth of Mac sales 
have slowed from last year in Q4 (2.8% up) but that's better than the 
overall PC market which shrank (8.3% down). Might just be an indication 
of overall market trends. That said, PCs (in the generic sense) tend to 
be more durable than mobile devices which get replaced far more often 
and generally cost more. So maybe the PC market is just getting 
saturated. My wife's MacBook is now 8 years old and still works fine. In 
that same time period she went through three phones. Maybe not typical 
but I wouldn't declare the death of the PC platform based just on unit 
sales.


CB

On 3/26/16 6:23 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

I’d watch it.  The bits you’re interested in are at the start, where Apple talk 
about recycling, and the end, where Apple proclaim that it’s “Really sad” that 
people are using PCs that are five years old.

Me?  Cynical?  Never! :)

I think the Mac is dead, anyway.  Well, if you disagree, cool beans, but I 
think it’s fairly evident that Macs fall under the general umbrella of PCs.  
And, don’t you think it’s fairly apparent from the non-appearance of new Macs 
and the quality of OS X nowadays?



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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

I’d watch it.  The bits you’re interested in are at the start, where Apple talk 
about recycling, and the end, where Apple proclaim that it’s “Really sad” that 
people are using PCs that are five years old.

Me?  Cynical?  Never! :)

I think the Mac is dead, anyway.  Well, if you disagree, cool beans, but I 
think it’s fairly evident that Macs fall under the general umbrella of PCs.  
And, don’t you think it’s fairly apparent from the non-appearance of new Macs 
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Yeah, I admit I didn't see the event, so I'm therefore probably confused, but 
that's why I'm asking for some clarification before just making kneejerk 
assumptions.
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  If that's what this person is saying, it is not accurate. Windows is still 
very much alive in businesses.

  Sent from my iPhone

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Wait, I'm confused.  Are you saying that Windows based desktops are no 
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  Hello,


  No there’s no new watch. The Mac isn’t dead it’s the Windows desktop 
machine that is dead.


  Regards,


  Gena


On 23 Mar 2016, at 21:31, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:


I haven’t heard the event yet.  Is there a new watch coming out yet?

  On 23 Mar 2016, at 18:47, Sabahattin Gucukoglu <listse...@me.com> 
wrote:


  I was downgrading my main Mac to Yosemite at the time of the event, 
and had to catch up using the Apple Keynotes podcast.  There were exactly two 
things I got out of the address:

  1.  The Mac is dead.  The iPad Pro is clearly set to kill it, and 
Apple wants to be in the driver’s seat when that happens.  And:

  2.  Downgrade to Yosemite.  It’s a better use of your time than 
watching these things.  For the probable reason see point 1 above.  OS X gets 
buggier and buggier and you only notice by downgrading.  Sad.

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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Ryan Mann]

If that's what this person is saying, it is not accurate. Windows is still very 
much alive in businesses.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 25, 2016, at 7:57 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
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> Wait, I'm confused.  Are you saying that Windows based desktops are no longer 
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> Hello,
> 
> No there’s no new watch. The Mac isn’t dead it’s the Windows desktop machine 
> that is dead.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gena
> 
>> On 23 Mar 2016, at 21:31, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I haven’t heard the event yet.  Is there a new watch coming out yet?
>>> On 23 Mar 2016, at 18:47, Sabahattin Gucukoglu <listse...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I was downgrading my main Mac to Yosemite at the time of the event, and had 
>>> to catch up using the Apple Keynotes podcast.  There were exactly two 
>>> things I got out of the address:
>>> 
>>> 1.  The Mac is dead.  The iPad Pro is clearly set to kill it, and Apple 
>>> wants to bein the driver’s seat when that happens.  And:
>>> 
>>> 2.  Downgrade to Yosemite.  It’s a better use of your time than watching 
>>> these things.  For the probable reason see point 1 above.  OS X gets 
>>> buggier and buggier and you only notice by downgrading.  Sad.
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Wait, I'm confused.  Are you saying that Windows based desktops are no longer 
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  Subject: Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event


  Hello,


  No there’s no new watch. The Mac isn’t dead it’s the Windows desktop machine 
that is dead.


  Regards,


  Gena


On 23 Mar 2016, at 21:31, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:


I haven’t heard the event yet.  Is there a new watch coming out yet?

  On 23 Mar 2016, at 18:47, Sabahattin Gucukoglu <listse...@me.com> wrote:


  I was downgrading my main Mac to Yosemite at the time of the event, and 
had to catch up using the Apple Keynotes podcast.  There were exactly two 
things I got out of the address:

  1.  The Mac is dead.  The iPad Pro is clearly set to kill it, and Apple 
wants to be in the driver’s seat when that happens.  And:

  2.  Downgrade to Yosemite.  It’s a better use of your time than watching 
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello,

No there’s no new watch. The Mac isn’t dead it’s the Windows desktop machine 
that is dead.

Regards,

Gena

> On 23 Mar 2016, at 21:31, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> I haven’t heard the event yet.  Is there a new watch coming out yet?
>> On 23 Mar 2016, at 18:47, Sabahattin Gucukoglu > > wrote:
>> 
>> I was downgrading my main Mac to Yosemite at the time of the event, and had 
>> to catch up using the Apple Keynotes podcast.  There were exactly two things 
>> I got out of the address:
>> 
>> 1.  The Mac is dead.  The iPad Pro is clearly set to kill it, and Apple 
>> wants to be in the driver’s seat when that happens.  And:
>> 
>> 2.  Downgrade to Yosemite.  It’s a better use of your time than watching 
>> these things.  For the probable reason see point 1 above.  OS X gets buggier 
>> and buggier and you only notice by downgrading.  Sad.
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RE: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Simon Fogarty]

Have thought about it or linux infact, but just can't be bothered starting from 
scratch again 

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Simon, why don’t you run a Unix variant on your servers and just be done with 
it.  Much greater stability, great remote access and to say it’s tested and 
true for decades is an understatement.

OSX server is just Unix with a pretty wrapper.

> On Mar 24, 2016, at 2:44 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Interesting,
> 
> I'm only really getting started with macs but the hardware is excelant and 
> the OS brilliant, but I can't go past the windows OS and jaws for power use 
> with my servers, however most of that would be due to lack of time with OSX 
> server.
> 
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
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> 
> Well look it’s not entirely Microsoft’s fault.  I’ll be the first to bash the 
> folks in Redmond but in this case the NFB had a lot to do with it as well.  
> There were payoffs made by certain screen reader manufacturers to the NFB to 
> have the NFB protest the creation of built in accessibility.  After all, Ted 
> Henter doesn’t make any money if Apple and Microsoft give away screen readers 
> for free.  You will also note there were several hit pieces against Apple 
> written by the same organization.  It’s just Apple ignored them.
> 
> So Microsoft of course by now should do more but there’s history there.
> 
> Apple also always had a soft spot in a lot of us older blind folks heart 
> because it was likely one of the first somewhat accessible computers we used. 
>  The Apple 2 series had all sorts of add on voice synthesis cards that 
> started to open the door for us.  It’s how I started.
> 
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 4:07 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Scott,
>> 
>> Would you  say apple don't listen even though we can contact them when there 
>> is an accessibility issue with a IOS or OSC system and they work quickly to 
>> correct the issues.
>> Full stop they have listened enough to give us accessible platforms out of 
>> the box.
>> What do Microsoft do for us?
>> 
>> They always leave it up to the third parties.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016 7:37 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event
>> 
>> It’s really not in apple’s culture to listen to consumers.  Remember their 
>> attitude is they come up with great products we can’t live with out.:)  
>> Remember the antenna issue.  It wasn’t a flaw in the design it was the user 
>> holding the phone the wrong way according to apple.
>> 
>> You hav ea good point that companies should listen to customers and 
>> generally do well if they do but I never have thought of apple as being big 
>> listeners.  I could be wrong maybe others feel differently.  Apple though 
>> was always to me that closed black box that just works and solves a problem 
>> I didn’t know i had.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Vaughn Brown <jazzdress...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> In all of this I wonder if consumers are not voices what they would 
>>> like Apple to develop directly to Apple. How can a product be 
>>> developed without a demand?
>>> Vaughn
>>> 
>>> On 3/22/16, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>> Another perspective is that most people don't know a great thing 
>>>> until there are a few years of hindsight. I remember one of my 
>>>> co-workers got one of the very first iPhones and I couldn't figure 
>>>> out why. It was a battery hog, heavy and my little folding phone made 
>>>> calls just as well.
>>>> Who knew then what the trajectory would be? There is also 1.0 
>>>> iteration issues. The original Lisa was expensive, slow and buggy 
>>>> but they kept iterating on the basic strong bit of a more human-centered 
>>>>

Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Yeah, OS X Server is lots of fun from the command line, although I’d take Linux 
for that since you still can’t update it without control over the GUI.  The 
server package does include more than the front-facing app from the Mac App 
Store, though; some of the pieces of the server like the database, 
collaboration, profile manager, caching, etc are inside the app bundle and are 
started from within it.  Hence, when an OS update comes out, the server becomes 
inaccessible until you manually update and relaunch the Server app.  The 
daemons that start up will check to see if they are compatible with the version 
of the OS they’re running on, and unfortunately that includes the server 
manager itself.  But it’s still worth it for me, for the Caching service, which 
is why I recommend it.

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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Good question.  Software-wise, short-term I’m thinking Windows with Linux as a 
VM guest.  This gets you an accessible app ecosystem but you don’t have to lose 
access to a productive working environment like the Unix CLI.  I’d pick Windows 
8.1 plus Classic Shell because I know it works, and will do until 2023.  Win10 
is off the cards because privacy, and I don’t much like it anyway.  And Apple 
hardware that’s Haswell or lower will work just fine, if you can get your hands 
on it, with the added advantage of getting you OS X for when you’re in the mood 
or want to run some particularly helpful Mac app that won’t run in a VM 
elsewhere.

But long term, I really would love to run Linux full-time.  High-quality 
commodity hardware works well for desktops rather than laptops on Windows or 
Linux, but you’ve always got the problem of hardware configuration needing 
external sighted help.  And of course this only works if Linux accessibility 
actually improves to the point you can do this.  Still, absent any alternatives 
for building and/or using servers, it seems the likely outcome.

Other options provide interesting side opportunities: I quite like ChromeOS and 
have reasonably high hopes for it, and I really don’t mind Apple’s vision of 
the future as long as I can delegate anything I need to a server.  I could take 
an iPad Pro if it had SD card slot, Ethernet, the ability to fully utilise the 
keyboard and external network or disk file systems like other cloud document 
providers, and allowed us to run a Unix environment and/or development tools in 
sandboxes.  There might be a baseline to what we could actually do with our own 
hardware, and there would always be a compelling argument for eliminating 
Apple’s control over it, but if it’s all we actually need to do, I could 
probably embrace it well enough.

If I could work at Apple, I’d beat some sense into the bastards (with a large, 
heavy mallet made from the purest gold) on the merits of the Mac as a platform, 
as long as I could somehow transition the iOS app ecosystem into sharing code 
bases with it.  The problem with Mac now is simply that it’s coasting, and 
can’t benefit from changes in iOS.  This is, somewhat ironically, unlike the 
situation on Windows, where the chunky universal apps platform does at least 
encourage developers to build for both modalities.  And in the (probably quite 
likely) event that I couldn’t affect this change, then I’d insist that they 
build an appliance that would provide the back end to any number of 
computational and server tasks, for which the front end would be an app in the 
store that people could deploy easily, thus turning even the relatively 
inhospitable realm of servers and computation into potential markets.

JMO, of course. :)

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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Regular OSX also has all the same server capabilities but you need to 
know your way around the command line to turn on Apache or MySQL. OSX 
server gives you a nice interface to all the good stuff under the hood. 
Probably worth the $20 but I'm already familiar enough with terminal 
that I haven't bothered with the upgrade (yet).


CB

On 3/24/16 8:45 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

Simon, why don’t you run a Unix variant on your servers and just be done with 
it.  Much greater stability, great remote access and to say it’s tested and 
true for decades is an understatement.

OSX server is just Unix with a pretty wrapper.


On Mar 24, 2016, at 2:44 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

Interesting,

I'm only really getting started with macs but the hardware is excelant and the 
OS brilliant, but I can't go past the windows OS and jaws for power use with my 
servers, however most of that would be due to lack of time with OSX server.

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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Well look it’s not entirely Microsoft’s fault.  I’ll be the first to bash the 
folks in Redmond but in this case the NFB had a lot to do with it as well.  
There were payoffs made by certain screen reader manufacturers to the NFB to 
have the NFB protest the creation of built in accessibility.  After all, Ted 
Henter doesn’t make any money if Apple and Microsoft give away screen readers 
for free.  You will also note there were several hit pieces against Apple 
written by the same organization.  It’s just Apple ignored them.

So Microsoft of course by now should do more but there’s history there.

Apple also always had a soft spot in a lot of us older blind folks heart 
because it was likely one of the first somewhat accessible computers we used.  
The Apple 2 series had all sorts of add on voice synthesis cards that started 
to open the door for us.  It’s how I started.



On Mar 23, 2016, at 4:07 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

Scott,

Would you  say apple don't listen even though we can contact them when there is 
an accessibility issue with a IOS or OSC system and they work quickly to 
correct the issues.
Full stop they have listened enough to give us accessible platforms out of the 
box.
What do Microsoft do for us?

They always leave it up to the third parties.

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Subject: Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

It’s really not in apple’s culture to listen to consumers.  Remember their 
attitude is they come up with great products we can’t live with out.:)  
Remember the antenna issue.  It wasn’t a flaw in the design it was the user 
holding the phone the wrong way according to apple.

You hav ea good point that companies should listen to customers and generally 
do well if they do but I never have thought of apple as being big listeners.  I 
could be wrong maybe others feel differently.  Apple though was always to me 
that closed black box that just works and solves a problem I didn’t know i had.



On Mar 22, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Vaughn Brown <jazzdress...@gmail.com> wrote:

In all of this I wonder if consumers are not voices what they would
like Apple to develop directly to Apple. How can a product be
developed without a demand?
Vaughn

On 3/22/16, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Another perspective is that most people don't know a great thing
until there are a few years of hindsight. I remember one of my
co-workers got one of the very first iPhones and I couldn't figure
out why. It was a battery hog, heavy and my little folding phone made calls 
just as well.
Who knew then what the trajectory would be? There is also 1.0
iteration issues. The original Lisa was expensive, slow and buggy
but they kept iterating on the basic strong bit of a more human-centered 
interface.
That eventually became the Mac and it's been pretty good since.
Lessons learned from the Newton as well. So is today's Apple Watch
just a Newton or Lisa - a good core idea that is usable today but
needs more development? Maybe AppleTV is just iPhone 1.0 and we
haven't realized where it's going to go.

There is one snag in the IoT when those are durable goods. Most
devices are running about a 3-year life cycle but my fridge, TV and
thermostat are expected to go much longer than that. So what happens
to my iOS enabled fridge when iOS 15 comes out? TVs are really
hitting commodity prices where margins are super thin so I doubt
Apple would want to get into that space. It does make sense to have
a removable brain

Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Scott Granados]

So let me ask you since I have no idea the answer to this.  If the Mac goes 
away and I agree with you that’s pretty likely.  What kind of laptop / desktop 
should I be using?  Am I to go to Linux?  What about on the hardware side?  
What do you think your moves will be. I value your opinion so would be very 
curious your thoughts.



> On Mar 24, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Yeah.  I’ve been a pretty consistent Apple advocate since about 2007 with the 
> Mac.  Back then there was a lot to write home about.  Now I’m just not sure.  
> The change is palpable.  I wasn’t totally behind Steve the autocratic 
> ringmaster but at least he had the good sense to put the consumers first, 
> because that’s what made Apple different and made them so much loved.  Tim 
> seems like an alright bloke but his ambitions for Apple seem way to 
> operational and profit-centric, so that anything that isn’t the latest hot 
> thing to get the high-pressure investors in a fit of capitalist ecstasy is an 
> expense to be spared.  The phone is leading the pack, of course, but this 
> ship isn’t going anywhere without some inspiration about how things should be 
> done.  I also fear for the Mac and believe that it still has a future if 
> Apple would only acknowledge the form factor, even though I just know it’s on 
> borrowed time now.  I’d love to have been in the board room when they 
> concluded that they had to keep the Mac around because otherwise there’d be 
> nothing for the iPhone fans to buy for their next college computers, or for 
> developers to develop iPhone apps on, even though it put an unwelcome dent in 
> the returns.  Tim is quite the iPad fan too, and can’t imagine why anyone 
> would want a PC (or Mac, by oblique extension).  It’s this gradual 
> transformation from a wonderful company that makes products we never realised 
> we wanted to just another materialist technology giant that makes me sad.
> 
> I guess I’d like to see the watch become more independent because you could 
> then do the basics as long as you had previously visited the remote Wi-Fi 
> network with your iPhone.  But then I’ve heard both sides of this, and do 
> accept that the watch as extension can work, provided you come to it with 
> that expectation.
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Yeah.  I’ve been a pretty consistent Apple advocate since about 2007 with the 
Mac.  Back then there was a lot to write home about.  Now I’m just not sure.  
The change is palpable.  I wasn’t totally behind Steve the autocratic 
ringmaster but at least he had the good sense to put the consumers first, 
because that’s what made Apple different and made them so much loved.  Tim 
seems like an alright bloke but his ambitions for Apple seem way to operational 
and profit-centric, so that anything that isn’t the latest hot thing to get the 
high-pressure investors in a fit of capitalist ecstasy is an expense to be 
spared.  The phone is leading the pack, of course, but this ship isn’t going 
anywhere without some inspiration about how things should be done.  I also fear 
for the Mac and believe that it still has a future if Apple would only 
acknowledge the form factor, even though I just know it’s on borrowed time now. 
 I’d love to have been in the board room when they concluded that they had to 
keep the Mac around because otherwise there’d be nothing for the iPhone fans to 
buy for their next college computers, or for developers to develop iPhone apps 
on, even though it put an unwelcome dent in the returns.  Tim is quite the iPad 
fan too, and can’t imagine why anyone would want a PC (or Mac, by oblique 
extension).  It’s this gradual transformation from a wonderful company that 
makes products we never realised we wanted to just another materialist 
technology giant that makes me sad.

I guess I’d like to see the watch become more independent because you could 
then do the basics as long as you had previously visited the remote Wi-Fi 
network with your iPhone.  But then I’ve heard both sides of this, and do 
accept that the watch as extension can work, provided you come to it with that 
expectation.

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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Scott Granados]

Simon, why don’t you run a Unix variant on your servers and just be done with 
it.  Much greater stability, great remote access and to say it’s tested and 
true for decades is an understatement.

OSX server is just Unix with a pretty wrapper.

> On Mar 24, 2016, at 2:44 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Interesting,
> 
> I'm only really getting started with macs but the hardware is excelant and 
> the OS brilliant, but I can't go past the windows OS and jaws for power use 
> with my servers, however most of that would be due to lack of time with OSX 
> server.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, 24 March 2016 1:32 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event
> 
> Well look it’s not entirely Microsoft’s fault.  I’ll be the first to bash the 
> folks in Redmond but in this case the NFB had a lot to do with it as well.  
> There were payoffs made by certain screen reader manufacturers to the NFB to 
> have the NFB protest the creation of built in accessibility.  After all, Ted 
> Henter doesn’t make any money if Apple and Microsoft give away screen readers 
> for free.  You will also note there were several hit pieces against Apple 
> written by the same organization.  It’s just Apple ignored them.
> 
> So Microsoft of course by now should do more but there’s history there.
> 
> Apple also always had a soft spot in a lot of us older blind folks heart 
> because it was likely one of the first somewhat accessible computers we used. 
>  The Apple 2 series had all sorts of add on voice synthesis cards that 
> started to open the door for us.  It’s how I started.
> 
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 4:07 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Scott,
>> 
>> Would you  say apple don't listen even though we can contact them when there 
>> is an accessibility issue with a IOS or OSC system and they work quickly to 
>> correct the issues.
>> Full stop they have listened enough to give us accessible platforms out of 
>> the box.
>> What do Microsoft do for us?
>> 
>> They always leave it up to the third parties.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016 7:37 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event
>> 
>> It’s really not in apple’s culture to listen to consumers.  Remember their 
>> attitude is they come up with great products we can’t live with out.:)  
>> Remember the antenna issue.  It wasn’t a flaw in the design it was the user 
>> holding the phone the wrong way according to apple.
>> 
>> You hav ea good point that companies should listen to customers and 
>> generally do well if they do but I never have thought of apple as being big 
>> listeners.  I could be wrong maybe others feel differently.  Apple though 
>> was always to me that closed black box that just works and solves a problem 
>> I didn’t know i had.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Vaughn Brown <jazzdress...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> In all of this I wonder if consumers are not voices what they would
>>> like Apple to develop directly to Apple. How can a product be
>>> developed without a demand?
>>> Vaughn
>>> 
>>> On 3/22/16, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>> Another perspective is that most people don't know a great thing
>>>> until there are a few years of hindsight. I remember one of my
>>>> co-workers got one of the very first iPhones and I couldn't figure
>>>> out why. It was a battery hog, heavy and my little folding phone made 
>>>> calls just as well.
>>>> Who knew then what the trajectory would be? There is also 1.0
>>>> iteration issues. The original Lisa was expensive, slow and buggy
>>>> but they kept iterating on the basic strong bit of a more human-centered 
>>>> interface.
>>>> That eventually became the Mac and it's been pretty good since.
>>>> Lessons learned from the Newton as well. So is today's Apple Watch
>>>> just a Newton or Lisa - a good core idea that is usable today but
>>>> needs more development? Maybe AppleTV is just iPhone 1.0 and we
>>>> haven't realized where it's going t

Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Scott Granados]

I’m surprised about your feelings about the watch but then again that’s exactly 
what I thought before I used / owned one.  I’m not sure what I would do with it 
if it ran separate from the phone.  The fact it joins my WiFi and has such good 
bluetooth range means I can leave my phone any where in my multistory home and 
have access to it’s screen pops and all my data from my wrist.  It’s great for 
checking that quick text or latest news headline, quick phone call and yes the 
Dick Tracy reference isn’t lost on me either definitely cool.  But what would I 
gain by having a separate data line on my watch?  Not that much when my phone 
is always in range.  This is a feeling I have gotten though only after owning 
the device.  Before I couldn’t understand why it needed the phone and was 
designed that way either.

You for example don’t need the phone to place calls though if your carrier 
supports WiFi calling.  My phone can be completely powered down and I can place 
and take calls.

> On Mar 23, 2016, at 8:27 PM, Emilio  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> My thoughts on the Apple keynote are positive. I like how the CEO did not 
> spend very much time discussing the company's position concerning the recent 
> debate over iOS security and the Government of the USA. I like how his point 
> was clear and succinct. The only thing I was interested in was the iPad Pro 
> 9.7 in. Announcement. Nothing too earth shattering here, but glad to get 
> final confirmation about the product. The tech pundits were correct as is the 
> case for the majority.
> I did also like to see the prices finally enter the competitive market with 
> the rest of the world, but this was going to happen anyway. I still cannot 
> justify an Apple Watch because of the dependence to the iPhone, which I hope 
> will change and become an independent accessory because in that case an 
> AppleWatch would be well-worth the expense. However, it would still be cool 
> to talk into my wrist like Dick Tracy.
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Scott Granados]

No, total disappointment, no new watch and no new watch OS.  But hey there’s a 
new nylon watch band, that’s worth having a press conference right?


> On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> I haven’t heard the event yet.  Is there a new watch coming out yet?
>> On 23 Mar 2016, at 18:47, Sabahattin Gucukoglu > > wrote:
>> 
>> I was downgrading my main Mac to Yosemite at the time of the event, and had 
>> to catch up using the Apple Keynotes podcast.  There were exactly two things 
>> I got out of the address:
>> 
>> 1.  The Mac is dead.  The iPad Pro is clearly set to kill it, and Apple 
>> wants to be in the driver’s seat when that happens.  And:
>> 
>> 2.  Downgrade to Yosemite.  It’s a better use of your time than watching 
>> these things.  For the probable reason see point 1 above.  OS X gets buggier 
>> and buggier and you only notice by downgrading.  Sad.
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Scott Granados]

Makes me want to short Apple but I know to many who have lost on that bet 
before.  It is sad but I hope this is something that will change or maybe it’s 
just me.  This 4 inch phone sounds like it’s going to be a bigger deal and 
maybe that’s ok.  I just miss the old Apple.  Here’s hoping we’re just in a 
lull.

> On Mar 23, 2016, at 2:47 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> I was downgrading my main Mac to Yosemite at the time of the event, and had 
> to catch up using the Apple Keynotes podcast.  There were exactly two things 
> I got out of the address:
> 
> 1.  The Mac is dead.  The iPad Pro is clearly set to kill it, and Apple wants 
> to be in the driver’s seat when that happens.  And:
> 
> 2.  Downgrade to Yosemite.  It’s a better use of your time than watching 
> these things.  For the probable reason see point 1 above.  OS X gets buggier 
> and buggier and you only notice by downgrading.  Sad.
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RE: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Simon Fogarty]

Interesting,

 I'm only really getting started with macs but the hardware is excelant and the 
OS brilliant, but I can't go past the windows OS and jaws for power use with my 
servers, however most of that would be due to lack of time with OSX server.

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On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, 24 March 2016 1:32 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

Well look it’s not entirely Microsoft’s fault.  I’ll be the first to bash the 
folks in Redmond but in this case the NFB had a lot to do with it as well.  
There were payoffs made by certain screen reader manufacturers to the NFB to 
have the NFB protest the creation of built in accessibility.  After all, Ted 
Henter doesn’t make any money if Apple and Microsoft give away screen readers 
for free.  You will also note there were several hit pieces against Apple 
written by the same organization.  It’s just Apple ignored them.

So Microsoft of course by now should do more but there’s history there.

Apple also always had a soft spot in a lot of us older blind folks heart 
because it was likely one of the first somewhat accessible computers we used.  
The Apple 2 series had all sorts of add on voice synthesis cards that started 
to open the door for us.  It’s how I started.


> On Mar 23, 2016, at 4:07 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> 
> Would you  say apple don't listen even though we can contact them when there 
> is an accessibility issue with a IOS or OSC system and they work quickly to 
> correct the issues.
> Full stop they have listened enough to give us accessible platforms out of 
> the box.
> What do Microsoft do for us?
> 
> They always leave it up to the third parties.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016 7:37 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event
> 
> It’s really not in apple’s culture to listen to consumers.  Remember their 
> attitude is they come up with great products we can’t live with out.:)  
> Remember the antenna issue.  It wasn’t a flaw in the design it was the user 
> holding the phone the wrong way according to apple.
> 
> You hav ea good point that companies should listen to customers and generally 
> do well if they do but I never have thought of apple as being big listeners.  
> I could be wrong maybe others feel differently.  Apple though was always to 
> me that closed black box that just works and solves a problem I didn’t know i 
> had.
> 
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Vaughn Brown <jazzdress...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> In all of this I wonder if consumers are not voices what they would 
>> like Apple to develop directly to Apple. How can a product be 
>> developed without a demand?
>> Vaughn
>> 
>> On 3/22/16, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>> Another perspective is that most people don't know a great thing 
>>> until there are a few years of hindsight. I remember one of my 
>>> co-workers got one of the very first iPhones and I couldn't figure 
>>> out why. It was a battery hog, heavy and my little folding phone made calls 
>>> just as well.
>>> Who knew then what the trajectory would be? There is also 1.0 
>>> iteration issues. The original Lisa was expensive, slow and buggy 
>>> but they kept iterating on the basic strong bit of a more human-centered 
>>> interface.
>>> That eventually became the Mac and it's been pretty good since.
>>> Lessons learned from the Newton as well. So is today's Apple Watch 
>>> just a Newton or Lisa - a good core idea that is usable today but 
>>> needs more development? Maybe AppleTV is just iPhone 1.0 and we 
>>> haven't realized where it's going to go.
>>> 
>>> There is one snag in the IoT when those are durable goods. Most 
>>> devices are running about a 3-year life cycle but my fridge, TV and 
>>> thermostat are expected to go much longer than that. So what happens 
>>> to my iOS enabled fridge when iOS 15 comes out? TVs are really 
>>> hitting commodity prices where margins are super thin so I doubt 
>>> Apple would want to get into that space. It does make sense to have 
>>> a removable brain (AppleTV) which I can just plug into the TV or upgrade 
>>> when brain 2.0 comes out.
>>> That also means when the TV dies I can swap it with

RE: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Simon Fogarty]

I do admit the phone sounds great for an entry level device, but I wont be 
going back from my 6s+ 

As for the iPad Pro 9.7,
 Currently I think the pro is over rated after using or at least trying to use 
one for a few hours.

The 12 inch is just to large.
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You make a good point, I did like Tim Cook’s opening speech.  That being said, 
our Government waited for the event to be over and then announced they no 
longer needed help cracking open the device.

Very interesting things going on in the background  I like your point though, 
aside from the opener the rest fell flat for me.


> On Mar 23, 2016, at 3:15 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey Scott,
> 
> Yeah I have to agree,
> 
> I thought it was kind of overkill leading up to it and then a real let down 
> once over,
> 
> I thought more of Tim Cooks opening speech than the iPhone se and iPad 
> presentations.
> 
> I did like the sound of the TV OS updates, exept for the fact that NZ doesn't 
> yet have the Siri side of the apple tv gen 4 working with our systems.
> 
> So something great sounding that we have to look forward to.
> 
> Otherwise,
> I've got no concerns for watch straps.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016 1:33 AM
> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event
> 
> Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a total 
> waste of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out of my afternoon for 
> watch bands?
> 
> In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what others 
> thought, is it just me?
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Emilio]

Hello everyone,

My thoughts on the Apple keynote are positive. I like how the CEO did not 
spend very much time discussing the company's position concerning the 
recent debate over iOS security and the Government of the USA. I like how 
his point was clear and succinct. The only thing I was interested in was 
the iPad Pro 9.7 in. Announcement. Nothing too earth shattering here, but 
glad to get final confirmation about the product. The tech pundits were 
correct as is the case for the majority.
I did also like to see the prices finally enter the competitive market with 
the rest of the world, but this was going to happen anyway. I still cannot 
justify an Apple Watch because of the dependence to the iPhone, which I 
hope will change and become an independent accessory because in that case 
an AppleWatch would be well-worth the expense. However, it would still be 
cool to talk into my wrist like Dick Tracy.

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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I haven’t heard the event yet.  Is there a new watch coming out yet?
> On 23 Mar 2016, at 18:47, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> I was downgrading my main Mac to Yosemite at the time of the event, and had 
> to catch up using the Apple Keynotes podcast.  There were exactly two things 
> I got out of the address:
> 
> 1.  The Mac is dead.  The iPad Pro is clearly set to kill it, and Apple wants 
> to be in the driver’s seat when that happens.  And:
> 
> 2.  Downgrade to Yosemite.  It’s a better use of your time than watching 
> these things.  For the probable reason see point 1 above.  OS X gets buggier 
> and buggier and you only notice by downgrading.  Sad.
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[E.T.]

   I just took a quick look on the web and did not see any reference to 
the iPad Pro replacing the Mac. What Tim Cook may have suggested was 
that the new iPad Pro would do in Windows. Sounds like typical 
competition to me.


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On 3/23/2016 11:47 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

I was downgrading my main Mac to Yosemite at the time of the event, and had to 
catch up using the Apple Keynotes podcast.  There were exactly two things I got 
out of the address:

1.  The Mac is dead.  The iPad Pro is clearly set to kill it, and Apple wants 
to be in the driver’s seat when that happens.  And:

2.  Downgrade to Yosemite.  It’s a better use of your time than watching these 
things.  For the probable reason see point 1 above.  OS X gets buggier and 
buggier and you only notice by downgrading.  Sad.



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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I totally agree with you.
You know this is just human nature i think. We are borned vain and thats how it 
gonna be until judgement day.
/A
> 22 mars 2016 kl. 16:42 skrev Jenine Stanley :
> 
> I really think in terms of these presentaitons that we consumers are our own 
> worst enemy. We now *expect* big things, in March, in June from WWDC and then 
> again in September/October. 
> 
> I’m reeling a bit just thinking about iPhone 7 possibly this fall. I just got 
> a 6s. I know that the new phone plans where you pay each month and can get 
> the latest and greatest phone are becoming the thing but at some point I’m 
> afraid we’ll get to that stage where we can’t be impressed by anything unless 
> it shocks us or is hitting us with the force of short time spans. I hope that 
> made sense. 
> 
> Maybe the Spring Event for Apple needs to be toned down. Maybe they don’t 
> necessarily need to have one. 
> 
> Was I hoping for more? Yes, but more detail, not more new and innovative. 
> 
> For those who feel Apple isn’t blazing trails anymore, what trails? How do we 
> know this? Just because they aren’t publicly saying anything about projects 
> doesn’t mean they aren’t happening. That goes for any company. 
> 
> I guess my htought on the event as a whole is that it was what it was and 
> over-analyzing, which we all are guilty of in this 24-hour news cycle world, 
> can only lead to disappointment…unless Apple sends me that space Black 
> Milanese Loop band for saying this. 
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 11:25 AM, Jenny Wood > > wrote:
>> 
>> I didn’t take time out of my day to monitor the event, but I am kinda glad I 
>> didn’t hold off on buying the Apple Watch back at Christmas, when the 
>> predictions were that a new version would be released this spring. 
>> 
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>>  But the truth is,
>>  I could no more stop dreaming,
>>  Than I could make them all come true.”
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 7:32 AM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a total 
>>> waste of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out of my afternoon 
>>> for watch bands?
>>> 
>>> In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what others 
>>> thought, is it just me?
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Anders Holmberg]

HI!
I believe the apple car when i see it.
/A
> 22 mars 2016 kl. 16:17 skrev E.T. :
> 
>   Would the Apple Cart not be blazing new trails? (smiles)
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 3/22/2016 7:23 AM, Rich Ring wrote:
>> I couldn’t agree more! Apple has set amazing standards, but they are not
>> blazing new trails any longer.
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 7:32 AM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a
>>> total waste of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out of my
>>> afternoon for watch bands?
>>> 
>>> In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what
>>> others thought, is it just me?
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

I was downgrading my main Mac to Yosemite at the time of the event, and had to 
catch up using the Apple Keynotes podcast.  There were exactly two things I got 
out of the address:

1.  The Mac is dead.  The iPad Pro is clearly set to kill it, and Apple wants 
to be in the driver’s seat when that happens.  And:

2.  Downgrade to Yosemite.  It’s a better use of your time than watching these 
things.  For the probable reason see point 1 above.  OS X gets buggier and 
buggier and you only notice by downgrading.  Sad.

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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

lease an actual time machine or a version of SIRI
that will do your laundry or make you coffee. Realistically, I don’t
think we’re going to have any major jump in technology for some time
to come, so if you think every Apple event or Google event or
Microsoft event is going to present something so truly awesome, you
probably will be left a bit disappointed. We might see minor jumps
here and there, but the curve is going to be relatively fixed for a
while.

 The other part of it is from a marketing standpoint, it was
important for Apple. There are areas of the market that these
products now fill for them and for companies, it’s about the revenue
stream. It might not have been Mac refreshes or anything that
directly impacts the blind, but they will sell the new iPads and
iPhones and a lot of them too.


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On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Rod Skene <skene...@gmail.com
<mailto:skene...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I liked it. Very impressed with the update to Apple TV. Folders,
dictation,  and Bluetooth keyboard are all very big for me.
  I really like the new iPhone. May try to find a way to switch from
my 6S plus to the new smaller four-inch phone.
Finally, off-line dictation on my iPhone is really big for me as
well. Overall there are several new features and a piece of new
hardware that really interests me.
Rod


Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse any errors.

On Mar 22, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Jenine Stanley
<dragonwalke...@gmail.com <mailto:dragonwalke...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I really think in terms of these presentaitons that we consumers
are our own worst enemy. We now *expect* big things, in March, in
June from WWDC and then again in September/October.

I’m reeling a bit just thinking about iPhone 7 possibly this fall.
I just got a 6s. I know that the new phone plans where you pay each
month and can get the latest and greatest phone are becoming the
thing but at some point I’m afraid we’ll get to that stage where we
can’t be impressed by anything unless it shocks us or is hitting us
with the force of short time spans. I hope that made sense.

Maybe the Spring Event for Apple needs to be toned down. Maybe they
don’t necessarily need to have one.

Was I hoping for more? Yes, but more detail, not more new and
innovative.

For those who feel Apple isn’t blazing trails anymore, what trails?
How do we know this? Just because they aren’t publicly saying
anything about projects doesn’t mean they aren’t happening. That
goes for any company.

I guess my htought on the event as a whole is that it was what it
was and over-analyzing, which we all are guilty of in this 24-hour
news cycle world, can only lead to disappointment…unless Apple
sends me that space Black Milanese Loop band for saying this.
Jenine Stanley
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On Mar 22, 2016, at 11:25 AM, Jenny Wood <kc5...@gmail.com
<mailto:kc5...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I didn’t take time out of my day to monitor the event, but I am
kinda glad I didn’t hold off on buying the Apple Watch back at
Christmas, when the predictions were that a new version would be
released this spring.

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On Mar 22, 2016, at 7:32 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net
<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:

Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be
a total waste of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out
of my afternoon for watch bands?

In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder
what others thought, is it just me?

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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[E.T.]

   Steve Jobs is dead and buried, let him RIP. The only constant in 
life is change. Like it or not, that is a proven fact.


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   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 3/23/2016 1:03 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

But how do we know what we want until we see it in a Hollywood movie?

  Steve Jobbs pulled apple out of trouble  back in the 90's when he came back.
Since then they have lead the way with a lot of the IT development in personal 
devices phones, computers  and tablets,

  Unless they find another forward thinker like Jobbs then they are really only 
updating existing technology with better specifications

What about an apple notebook with a touch screan running either of osx or IOS 
but a full keyboard
Along the lines of a mac book air but with a touch screan.


An apple tv that is a tv screan like we know but say thin enough you can roll 
it up
The apple car would be great, but again that will take a lot more work than 
just the car.

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On Behalf Of Vaughn Brown
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In all of this I wonder if consumers are not voices what they would like Apple 
to develop directly to Apple. How can a product be developed without a demand?
Vaughn

On 3/22/16, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
wrote:

Another perspective is that most people don't know a great thing until
there are a few years of hindsight. I remember one of my co-workers
got one of the very first iPhones and I couldn't figure out why. It
was a battery hog, heavy and my little folding phone made calls just as well.
Who knew then what the trajectory would be? There is also 1.0
iteration issues. The original Lisa was expensive, slow and buggy but
they kept iterating on the basic strong bit of a more human-centered interface.
That eventually became the Mac and it's been pretty good since.
Lessons learned from the Newton as well. So is today's Apple Watch
just a Newton or Lisa - a good core idea that is usable today but
needs more development? Maybe AppleTV is just iPhone 1.0 and we
haven't realized where it's going to go.

There is one snag in the IoT when those are durable goods. Most
devices are running about a 3-year life cycle but my fridge, TV and
thermostat are expected to go much longer than that. So what happens
to my iOS enabled fridge when iOS 15 comes out? TVs are really hitting
commodity prices where margins are super thin so I doubt Apple would
want to get into that space. It does make sense to have a removable
brain (AppleTV) which I can just plug into the TV or upgrade when brain 2.0 
comes out.
That also means when the TV dies I can swap it without tossing the the
brain with it. That was the idea behind having separate components in
AV systems. If you had a TV with a DVD player in it and the player
dies, then what?

CB

On 3/22/16 1:24 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

They will sell new iPhones, the iPad is arguable at best.  Sales have
almost tanked on iPads and let’s face it, the phone carries Apple
when you consider just how much of it’s cash flow is on the phone exclusively.

And you m are good points but I counter with where has been anything
in the last 5 years.  Ok larger screen, incrementally faster
processors.  Apple didn’t do anything Samsung or the other guys
haven’t done other than continuing to execute a design that was
better to start but that’s only going to get them so far.  I agree it
doesn’t have to be earth shattering overtime but once in the last 5
years would be nice.  The watch is a maybe but when that’s all you
can point to that’s just sad.
And I would disagree about the earth shattering / disruptive part.
  Ask a cab driver if his / her life has changed:).  I shorted a large
hotel chain last year because it was about to get Air BnBed out of
existence.:)  Excellent and well presented points though, definitely
something to think about.

I hope I’m wrong by the way, I’d love to be blown away for years to
come by Apple products.  I’m a big fan I just hope they can find
their way again.



On Mar 22, 2016, at 1:16 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com
<mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I think people have to put this into perspective. There hasn’t been
any significant innovations by any company that has been earth
shattering. I think there is an expectation that people have that
Apple is going to release an actual time machine or a version of
SIRI that will do your laundry or make you coffee. Realistically, I
don’t think we’re going to have any major jump in technology for
some time to come, so if you think every Apple event or Google event
or Microsoft event is going to present something so truly awesome,
you probably will be left a bi

Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Scott Granados]

It sounds like a lot more people were interested in the 4 inch phone than I 
thought.

Not sure it needed a full on event to roll out but maybe Apple will have a hit 
on it’s hands based on the response.

> On Mar 23, 2016, at 9:40 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> The only new thing to me was the Iphone SE or what its called.
> I always wanted a 4 inch iphone with the same processor as the 6s.
> /A
>> On 22 Mar 2016, at 13:32, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a total 
>> waste of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out of my afternoon 
>> for watch bands?
>> 
>> In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what others 
>> thought, is it just me?
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[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
The only new thing to me was the Iphone SE or what its called.
I always wanted a 4 inch iphone with the same processor as the 6s.
/A
> On 22 Mar 2016, at 13:32, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a total 
> waste of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out of my afternoon for 
> watch bands?
> 
> In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what others 
> thought, is it just me?
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Scott Granados]

Well look it’s not entirely Microsoft’s fault.  I’ll be the first to bash the 
folks in Redmond but in this case the NFB had a lot to do with it as well.  
There were payoffs made by certain screen reader manufacturers to the NFB to 
have the NFB protest the creation of built in accessibility.  After all, Ted 
Henter doesn’t make any money if Apple and Microsoft give away screen readers 
for free.  You will also note there were several hit pieces against Apple 
written by the same organization.  It’s just Apple ignored them.

So Microsoft of course by now should do more but there’s history there.

Apple also always had a soft spot in a lot of us older blind folks heart 
because it was likely one of the first somewhat accessible computers we used.  
The Apple 2 series had all sorts of add on voice synthesis cards that started 
to open the door for us.  It’s how I started.


> On Mar 23, 2016, at 4:07 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> 
> Would you  say apple don't listen even though we can contact them when there 
> is an accessibility issue with a IOS or OSC system and they work quickly to 
> correct the issues.
> Full stop they have listened enough to give us accessible platforms out of 
> the box.
> What do Microsoft do for us?
> 
> They always leave it up to the third parties.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016 7:37 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event
> 
> It’s really not in apple’s culture to listen to consumers.  Remember their 
> attitude is they come up with great products we can’t live with out.:)  
> Remember the antenna issue.  It wasn’t a flaw in the design it was the user 
> holding the phone the wrong way according to apple.
> 
> You hav ea good point that companies should listen to customers and generally 
> do well if they do but I never have thought of apple as being big listeners.  
> I could be wrong maybe others feel differently.  Apple though was always to 
> me that closed black box that just works and solves a problem I didn’t know i 
> had.
> 
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Vaughn Brown <jazzdress...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> In all of this I wonder if consumers are not voices what they would
>> like Apple to develop directly to Apple. How can a product be
>> developed without a demand?
>> Vaughn
>> 
>> On 3/22/16, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>> Another perspective is that most people don't know a great thing
>>> until there are a few years of hindsight. I remember one of my
>>> co-workers got one of the very first iPhones and I couldn't figure
>>> out why. It was a battery hog, heavy and my little folding phone made calls 
>>> just as well.
>>> Who knew then what the trajectory would be? There is also 1.0
>>> iteration issues. The original Lisa was expensive, slow and buggy but
>>> they kept iterating on the basic strong bit of a more human-centered 
>>> interface.
>>> That eventually became the Mac and it's been pretty good since.
>>> Lessons learned from the Newton as well. So is today's Apple Watch
>>> just a Newton or Lisa - a good core idea that is usable today but
>>> needs more development? Maybe AppleTV is just iPhone 1.0 and we
>>> haven't realized where it's going to go.
>>> 
>>> There is one snag in the IoT when those are durable goods. Most
>>> devices are running about a 3-year life cycle but my fridge, TV and
>>> thermostat are expected to go much longer than that. So what happens
>>> to my iOS enabled fridge when iOS 15 comes out? TVs are really
>>> hitting commodity prices where margins are super thin so I doubt
>>> Apple would want to get into that space. It does make sense to have a
>>> removable brain (AppleTV) which I can just plug into the TV or upgrade when 
>>> brain 2.0 comes out.
>>> That also means when the TV dies I can swap it without tossing the
>>> the brain with it. That was the idea behind having separate
>>> components in AV systems. If you had a TV with a DVD player in it and
>>> the player dies, then what?
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 3/22/16 1:24 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>> They will sell new iPhones, the iPad is arguable at best.  Sales
>>>> have almost tanked on iPads and let’s face it, the phone carries
>>>> Apple when you consider just how much of it’s cash flo

Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Scott Granados]

You make a good point, I did like Tim Cook’s opening speech.  That being said, 
our Government waited for the event to be over and then announced they no 
longer needed help cracking open the device.

Very interesting things going on in the background  I like your point though, 
aside from the opener the rest fell flat for me.


> On Mar 23, 2016, at 3:15 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey Scott,
> 
> Yeah I have to agree,
> 
> I thought it was kind of overkill leading up to it and then a real let down 
> once over,
> 
> I thought more of Tim Cooks opening speech than the iPhone se and iPad 
> presentations.
> 
> I did like the sound of the TV OS updates, exept for the fact that NZ doesn't 
> yet have the Siri side of the apple tv gen 4 working with our systems.
> 
> So something great sounding that we have to look forward to.
> 
> Otherwise,
> I've got no concerns for watch straps.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016 1:33 AM
> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event
> 
> Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a total 
> waste of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out of my afternoon for 
> watch bands?
> 
> In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what others 
> thought, is it just me?
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Scott Granados]

 I shorted a large
>>>>> hotel chain last year because it was about to get Air BnBed out of
>>>>> existence.:)  Excellent and well presented points though, definitely
>>>>> something to think about.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I hope I’m wrong by the way, I’d love to be blown away for years to
>>>>> come by Apple products.  I’m a big fan I just hope they can find their
>>>>> way again.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 1:16 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think people have to put this into perspective. There hasn’t been
>>>>>> any significant innovations by any company that has been earth
>>>>>> shattering. I think there is an expectation that people have that
>>>>>> Apple is going to release an actual time machine or a version of SIRI
>>>>>> that will do your laundry or make you coffee. Realistically, I don’t
>>>>>> think we’re going to have any major jump in technology for some time
>>>>>> to come, so if you think every Apple event or Google event or
>>>>>> Microsoft event is going to present something so truly awesome, you
>>>>>> probably will be left a bit disappointed. We might see minor jumps
>>>>>> here and there, but the curve is going to be relatively fixed for a
>>>>>> while.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   The other part of it is from a marketing standpoint, it was
>>>>>> important for Apple. There are areas of the market that these
>>>>>> products now fill for them and for companies, it’s about the revenue
>>>>>> stream. It might not have been Mac refreshes or anything that
>>>>>> directly impacts the blind, but they will sell the new iPads and
>>>>>> iPhones and a lot of them too.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Take Care
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> Director
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>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Rod Skene <skene...@gmail.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:skene...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I liked it. Very impressed with the update to Apple TV. Folders,
>>>>>>> dictation,  and Bluetooth keyboard are all very big for me.
>>>>>>> I really like the new iPhone. May try to find a way to switch from
>>>>>>> my 6S plus to the new smaller four-inch phone.
>>>>>>> Finally, off-line dictation on my iPhone is really big for me as
>>>>>>> well. Overall there are several new features and a piece of new
>>>>>>> hardware that really interests me.
>>>>>>> Rod
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse any
>>>>>>> errors.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Jenine Stanley
>>>>>>> <dragonwalke...@gmail.com <mailto:dragonwalke...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I really think in terms of these presentaitons that we consumers
>>>>>>>> are our own worst enemy. We now *expect* big things, in March, in
>>>>>>>> June from WWDC and then again in September/October.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I’m reeling a bit just thinking about iPhone 7 possibly this fall.
>>>>>>>> I just got a 6s. I know that the new phone plans where you pay each
>>>>>>>> month and can get the latest and greatest phone are becoming the
>>>>>>>> thing but at some point I’m a

RE: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Simon Fogarty]

Scott,

Would you  say apple don't listen even though we can contact them when there is 
an accessibility issue with a IOS or OSC system and they work quickly to 
correct the issues.
Full stop they have listened enough to give us accessible platforms out of the 
box.
What do Microsoft do for us?

 They always leave it up to the third parties.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016 7:37 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

It’s really not in apple’s culture to listen to consumers.  Remember their 
attitude is they come up with great products we can’t live with out.:)  
Remember the antenna issue.  It wasn’t a flaw in the design it was the user 
holding the phone the wrong way according to apple.

You hav ea good point that companies should listen to customers and generally 
do well if they do but I never have thought of apple as being big listeners.  I 
could be wrong maybe others feel differently.  Apple though was always to me 
that closed black box that just works and solves a problem I didn’t know i had.


> On Mar 22, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Vaughn Brown <jazzdress...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> In all of this I wonder if consumers are not voices what they would 
> like Apple to develop directly to Apple. How can a product be 
> developed without a demand?
> Vaughn
> 
> On 3/22/16, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> Another perspective is that most people don't know a great thing 
>> until there are a few years of hindsight. I remember one of my 
>> co-workers got one of the very first iPhones and I couldn't figure 
>> out why. It was a battery hog, heavy and my little folding phone made calls 
>> just as well.
>> Who knew then what the trajectory would be? There is also 1.0 
>> iteration issues. The original Lisa was expensive, slow and buggy but 
>> they kept iterating on the basic strong bit of a more human-centered 
>> interface.
>> That eventually became the Mac and it's been pretty good since. 
>> Lessons learned from the Newton as well. So is today's Apple Watch 
>> just a Newton or Lisa - a good core idea that is usable today but 
>> needs more development? Maybe AppleTV is just iPhone 1.0 and we 
>> haven't realized where it's going to go.
>> 
>> There is one snag in the IoT when those are durable goods. Most 
>> devices are running about a 3-year life cycle but my fridge, TV and 
>> thermostat are expected to go much longer than that. So what happens 
>> to my iOS enabled fridge when iOS 15 comes out? TVs are really 
>> hitting commodity prices where margins are super thin so I doubt 
>> Apple would want to get into that space. It does make sense to have a 
>> removable brain (AppleTV) which I can just plug into the TV or upgrade when 
>> brain 2.0 comes out.
>> That also means when the TV dies I can swap it without tossing the 
>> the brain with it. That was the idea behind having separate 
>> components in AV systems. If you had a TV with a DVD player in it and 
>> the player dies, then what?
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 3/22/16 1:24 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> They will sell new iPhones, the iPad is arguable at best.  Sales 
>>> have almost tanked on iPads and let’s face it, the phone carries 
>>> Apple when you consider just how much of it’s cash flow is on the phone 
>>> exclusively.
>>> 
>>> And you m are good points but I counter with where has been anything 
>>> in the last 5 years.  Ok larger screen, incrementally faster 
>>> processors.  Apple didn’t do anything Samsung or the other guys 
>>> haven’t done other than continuing to execute a design that was 
>>> better to start but that’s only going to get them so far.  I agree 
>>> it doesn’t have to be earth shattering overtime but once in the last 
>>> 5 years would be nice.  The watch is a maybe but when that’s all you 
>>> can point to that’s just sad.
>>> And I would disagree about the earth shattering / disruptive part.
>>> Ask a cab driver if his / her life has changed:).  I shorted a large 
>>> hotel chain last year because it was about to get Air BnBed out of
>>> existence.:)  Excellent and well presented points though, definitely 
>>> something to think about.
>>> 
>>> I hope I’m wrong by the way, I’d love to be blown away for years to 
>>> come by Apple products.  I’m a big fan I just hope they can find 
>>> their way again.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 2

RE: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Simon Fogarty]

But how do we know what we want until we see it in a Hollywood movie?

 Steve Jobbs pulled apple out of trouble  back in the 90's when he came back.
Since then they have lead the way with a lot of the IT development in personal 
devices phones, computers  and tablets,

 Unless they find another forward thinker like Jobbs then they are really only 
updating existing technology with better specifications 

What about an apple notebook with a touch screan running either of osx or IOS 
but a full keyboard 
Along the lines of a mac book air but with a touch screan.


An apple tv that is a tv screan like we know but say thin enough you can roll 
it up 
The apple car would be great, but again that will take a lot more work than 
just the car.

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On Behalf Of Vaughn Brown
Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016 7:34 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

In all of this I wonder if consumers are not voices what they would like Apple 
to develop directly to Apple. How can a product be developed without a demand?
Vaughn

On 3/22/16, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
wrote:
> Another perspective is that most people don't know a great thing until 
> there are a few years of hindsight. I remember one of my co-workers 
> got one of the very first iPhones and I couldn't figure out why. It 
> was a battery hog, heavy and my little folding phone made calls just as well.
> Who knew then what the trajectory would be? There is also 1.0 
> iteration issues. The original Lisa was expensive, slow and buggy but 
> they kept iterating on the basic strong bit of a more human-centered 
> interface.
> That eventually became the Mac and it's been pretty good since. 
> Lessons learned from the Newton as well. So is today's Apple Watch 
> just a Newton or Lisa - a good core idea that is usable today but 
> needs more development? Maybe AppleTV is just iPhone 1.0 and we 
> haven't realized where it's going to go.
>
> There is one snag in the IoT when those are durable goods. Most 
> devices are running about a 3-year life cycle but my fridge, TV and 
> thermostat are expected to go much longer than that. So what happens 
> to my iOS enabled fridge when iOS 15 comes out? TVs are really hitting 
> commodity prices where margins are super thin so I doubt Apple would 
> want to get into that space. It does make sense to have a removable 
> brain (AppleTV) which I can just plug into the TV or upgrade when brain 2.0 
> comes out.
> That also means when the TV dies I can swap it without tossing the the 
> brain with it. That was the idea behind having separate components in 
> AV systems. If you had a TV with a DVD player in it and the player 
> dies, then what?
>
> CB
>
> On 3/22/16 1:24 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> They will sell new iPhones, the iPad is arguable at best.  Sales have 
>> almost tanked on iPads and let’s face it, the phone carries Apple 
>> when you consider just how much of it’s cash flow is on the phone 
>> exclusively.
>>
>> And you m are good points but I counter with where has been anything 
>> in the last 5 years.  Ok larger screen, incrementally faster 
>> processors.  Apple didn’t do anything Samsung or the other guys 
>> haven’t done other than continuing to execute a design that was 
>> better to start but that’s only going to get them so far.  I agree it 
>> doesn’t have to be earth shattering overtime but once in the last 5 
>> years would be nice.  The watch is a maybe but when that’s all you 
>> can point to that’s just sad.
>> And I would disagree about the earth shattering / disruptive part.
>>  Ask a cab driver if his / her life has changed:).  I shorted a large 
>> hotel chain last year because it was about to get Air BnBed out of
>> existence.:)  Excellent and well presented points though, definitely 
>> something to think about.
>>
>> I hope I’m wrong by the way, I’d love to be blown away for years to 
>> come by Apple products.  I’m a big fan I just hope they can find 
>> their way again.
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 1:16 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think people have to put this into perspective. There hasn’t been 
>>> any significant innovations by any company that has been earth 
>>> shattering. I think there is an expectation that people have that 
>>> Apple is going to release an actual time machine or a version of 
>>> SIRI that will do your laundry or make you coffee. Realistically, I 
>>> don’t thin

RE: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Simon Fogarty]

Siri is going to be able to make coffee?
Awesome.

Where do I get one of those apple products?



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of John Panarese
Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016 6:17 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

  I think people have to put this into perspective. There hasn’t been any 
significant innovations by any company that has been earth shattering. I think 
there is an expectation that people have that Apple is going to release an 
actual time machine or a version of SIRI that will do your laundry or make you 
coffee. Realistically, I don’t think we’re going to have any major jump in 
technology for some time to come, so if you think every Apple event or Google 
event or Microsoft event is going to present something so truly awesome, you 
probably will be left a bit disappointed. We might see minor jumps here and 
there, but the curve is going to be relatively fixed for a while.

The other part of it is from a marketing standpoint, it was important for 
Apple. There are areas of the market that these products now fill for them and 
for companies, it’s about the revenue stream. It might not have been Mac 
refreshes or anything that directly impacts the blind, but they will sell the 
new iPads and iPhones and a lot of them too.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
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On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Rod Skene 
<skene...@gmail.com<mailto:skene...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I liked it. Very impressed with the update to Apple TV. Folders, dictation,  
and Bluetooth keyboard are all very big for me.
 I really like the new iPhone. May try to find a way to switch from my 6S plus 
to the new smaller four-inch phone.
Finally, off-line dictation on my iPhone is really big for me as well. Overall 
there are several new features and a piece of new hardware that really 
interests me.
Rod


Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse any errors.

On Mar 22, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Jenine Stanley 
<dragonwalke...@gmail.com<mailto:dragonwalke...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I really think in terms of these presentaitons that we consumers are our own 
worst enemy. We now *expect* big things, in March, in June from WWDC and then 
again in September/October.

I’m reeling a bit just thinking about iPhone 7 possibly this fall. I just got a 
6s. I know that the new phone plans where you pay each month and can get the 
latest and greatest phone are becoming the thing but at some point I’m afraid 
we’ll get to that stage where we can’t be impressed by anything unless it 
shocks us or is hitting us with the force of short time spans. I hope that made 
sense.

Maybe the Spring Event for Apple needs to be toned down. Maybe they don’t 
necessarily need to have one.

Was I hoping for more? Yes, but more detail, not more new and innovative.

For those who feel Apple isn’t blazing trails anymore, what trails? How do we 
know this? Just because they aren’t publicly saying anything about projects 
doesn’t mean they aren’t happening. That goes for any company.

I guess my htought on the event as a whole is that it was what it was and 
over-analyzing, which we all are guilty of in this 24-hour news cycle world, 
can only lead to disappointment…unless Apple sends me that space Black Milanese 
Loop band for saying this.
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com<mailto:dragonwalke...@gmail.com>



On Mar 22, 2016, at 11:25 AM, Jenny Wood 
<kc5...@gmail.com<mailto:kc5...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I didn’t take time out of my day to monitor the event, but I am kinda glad I 
didn’t hold off on buying the Apple Watch back at Christmas, when the 
predictions were that a new version would be released this spring.

--

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“I’m the kid who has this habit of dreaming,
 Sometimes gets me in trouble too.
 But the truth is,
 I could no more stop dreaming,
 Than I could make them all come true.”
 — “The Kid” Buddy Mondlock




On Mar 22, 2016, at 7:32 AM, Scott Granados 
<sc...@qualityip.net<mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:

Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a total waste 
of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out of my afternoon for watch 
bands?

In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what others 
thought, is it just me?

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RE: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Simon Fogarty]

Yes that is something we in New Zealand can say is great, an unlocked device.

I never buy a locked to provider device.



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On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016 2:38 AM
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And I love the idea of just having an unlocked phone.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Scott Davert <scottslistm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> They did announce the smaller iPad and the smaller iPhone. I kind of 
> wish I hadn't gotten a 6S, since the se has all the specs of the 6S 
> but with no 3D touch, which I almost never use anyway.
> 
> Scott
> 
> On 3/22/16, Basioli George <gbma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> here is a better question.  does this mean no september event since 
>> tim said the next event will be held in their new place in 2017???
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 6:03 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Right or an Apple TV, something, anything, give me some Apple jar 
>>> openers, Apple socks, something new.  The watch is good but you need 
>>> to give me more than bands.  I like bands but I like new features better.
>>> 
>>> A self driving car would be fantastic. I like the apple design, the 
>>> car doesn’t have windows.:)  It has screens instead.
>>> 
>>> I’m with you they need to stop with the theatrics if there’s nothing 
>>> to show.  Steve we miss you buddy!
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 8:59 AM, David Chittenden 
>>>> <dchitten...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> There was not anything unexpected. I am interested in the smaller 
>>>> iPad Pro. However, a big presentation did not seem necessary. And, 
>>>> too many such will weaken the hype for the future.
>>>> 
>>>> Now, if Apple were to announce an iPad Pro / MacBook combo device, 
>>>> or a MacBook with a touch screen, I would be very excited! And, a 
>>>> self-driving Apple Car, now that would be fantastic!
>>>> 
>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On 23 Mar 2016, at 01:32, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be 
>>>>> a total waste of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out 
>>>>> of my afternoon for watch bands?
>>>>> 
>>>>> In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what 
>>>>> others thought, is it just me?
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RE: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Simon Fogarty]

They still have wwdc in june / july which ever month it is.

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here is a better question.  does this mean no september event since tim said 
the next event will be held in their new place in 2017???
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 6:03 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
> 
> Right or an Apple TV, something, anything, give me some Apple jar openers, 
> Apple socks, something new.  The watch is good but you need to give me more 
> than bands.  I like bands but I like new features better.
> 
> A self driving car would be fantastic. I like the apple design, the car 
> doesn’t have windows.:)  It has screens instead.
> 
> I’m with you they need to stop with the theatrics if there’s nothing to show. 
>  Steve we miss you buddy!
> 
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 8:59 AM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> There was not anything unexpected. I am interested in the smaller iPad Pro. 
>> However, a big presentation did not seem necessary. And, too many such will 
>> weaken the hype for the future.
>> 
>> Now, if Apple were to announce an iPad Pro / MacBook combo device, or a 
>> MacBook with a touch screen, I would be very excited! And, a self-driving 
>> Apple Car, now that would be fantastic!
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 23 Mar 2016, at 01:32, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a total 
>>> waste of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out of my afternoon 
>>> for watch bands?
>>> 
>>> In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what others 
>>> thought, is it just me?
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[Simon Fogarty]

I'd like to see an iPad pro mini but a better apple pencil as I'm not overly 
empressed by the current one, to long and weighty.



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There was not anything unexpected. I am interested in the smaller iPad Pro. 
However, a big presentation did not seem necessary. And, too many such will 
weaken the hype for the future.

Now, if Apple were to announce an iPad Pro / MacBook combo device, or a MacBook 
with a touch screen, I would be very excited! And, a self-driving Apple Car, 
now that would be fantastic! 

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 23 Mar 2016, at 01:32, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
> 
> Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a total 
> waste of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out of my afternoon for 
> watch bands?
> 
> In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what others 
> thought, is it just me?
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RE: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Simon Fogarty]

 Hey Scott,

 Yeah I have to agree,

 I thought it was kind of overkill leading up to it and then a real let down 
once over,

I thought more of Tim Cooks opening speech than the iPhone se and iPad 
presentations.

 I did like the sound of the TV OS updates, exept for the fact that NZ doesn't 
yet have the Siri side of the apple tv gen 4 working with our systems.

 So something great sounding that we have to look forward to.

Otherwise,
I've got no concerns for watch straps.

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Subject: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a total waste 
of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out of my afternoon for watch 
bands?

In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what others 
thought, is it just me?

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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[jeff `greene]

Hi, I too was disappointed! I wanted to see new macbooks! Like the
article aI saw on digitaltrends.com says: apple's macbooks are
dusty,too slow and over priced. Or, something like that. I think Apple
needs to keep up with the pc market which has been shipping skylake
intel laptops since september 2015.
Jeff


On 3/22/16, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
> It’s really not in apple’s culture to listen to consumers.  Remember their
> attitude is they come up with great products we can’t live with out.:)
> Remember the antenna issue.  It wasn’t a flaw in the design it was the user
> holding the phone the wrong way according to apple.
>
> You hav ea good point that companies should listen to customers and
> generally do well if they do but I never have thought of apple as being big
> listeners.  I could be wrong maybe others feel differently.  Apple though
> was always to me that closed black box that just works and solves a problem
> I didn’t know i had.
>
>
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Vaughn Brown <jazzdress...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> In all of this I wonder if consumers are not voices what they would
>> like Apple to develop directly to Apple. How can a product be
>> developed without a demand?
>> Vaughn
>>
>> On 3/22/16, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>> Another perspective is that most people don't know a great thing until
>>> there are a few years of hindsight. I remember one of my co-workers got
>>> one of the very first iPhones and I couldn't figure out why. It was a
>>> battery hog, heavy and my little folding phone made calls just as well.
>>> Who knew then what the trajectory would be? There is also 1.0 iteration
>>> issues. The original Lisa was expensive, slow and buggy but they kept
>>> iterating on the basic strong bit of a more human-centered interface.
>>> That eventually became the Mac and it's been pretty good since. Lessons
>>> learned from the Newton as well. So is today's Apple Watch just a Newton
>>> or Lisa - a good core idea that is usable today but needs more
>>> development? Maybe AppleTV is just iPhone 1.0 and we haven't realized
>>> where it's going to go.
>>>
>>> There is one snag in the IoT when those are durable goods. Most devices
>>> are running about a 3-year life cycle but my fridge, TV and thermostat
>>> are expected to go much longer than that. So what happens to my iOS
>>> enabled fridge when iOS 15 comes out? TVs are really hitting commodity
>>> prices where margins are super thin so I doubt Apple would want to get
>>> into that space. It does make sense to have a removable brain (AppleTV)
>>> which I can just plug into the TV or upgrade when brain 2.0 comes out.
>>> That also means when the TV dies I can swap it without tossing the the
>>> brain with it. That was the idea behind having separate components in AV
>>> systems. If you had a TV with a DVD player in it and the player dies,
>>> then what?
>>>
>>> CB
>>>
>>> On 3/22/16 1:24 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>> They will sell new iPhones, the iPad is arguable at best.  Sales have
>>>> almost tanked on iPads and let’s face it, the phone carries Apple when
>>>> you consider just how much of it’s cash flow is on the phone
>>>> exclusively.
>>>>
>>>> And you m are good points but I counter with where has been anything
>>>> in the last 5 years.  Ok larger screen, incrementally faster
>>>> processors.  Apple didn’t do anything Samsung or the other guys
>>>> haven’t done other than continuing to execute a design that was better
>>>> to start but that’s only going to get them so far.  I agree it doesn’t
>>>> have to be earth shattering overtime but once in the last 5 years
>>>> would be nice.  The watch is a maybe but when that’s all you can point
>>>> to that’s just sad.
>>>> And I would disagree about the earth shattering / disruptive part.
>>>> Ask a cab driver if his / her life has changed:).  I shorted a large
>>>> hotel chain last year because it was about to get Air BnBed out of
>>>> existence.:)  Excellent and well presented points though, definitely
>>>> something to think about.
>>>>
>>>> I hope I’m wrong by the way, I’d love to be blown away for years to
>>>> come by Apple products.  I’m a big fan I just hope they can find their
>>>> way again.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 1:16 PM, Joh

Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Scott Granados]

It’s really not in apple’s culture to listen to consumers.  Remember their 
attitude is they come up with great products we can’t live with out.:)  
Remember the antenna issue.  It wasn’t a flaw in the design it was the user 
holding the phone the wrong way according to apple.

You hav ea good point that companies should listen to customers and generally 
do well if they do but I never have thought of apple as being big listeners.  I 
could be wrong maybe others feel differently.  Apple though was always to me 
that closed black box that just works and solves a problem I didn’t know i had.


> On Mar 22, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Vaughn Brown <jazzdress...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> In all of this I wonder if consumers are not voices what they would
> like Apple to develop directly to Apple. How can a product be
> developed without a demand?
> Vaughn
> 
> On 3/22/16, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> Another perspective is that most people don't know a great thing until
>> there are a few years of hindsight. I remember one of my co-workers got
>> one of the very first iPhones and I couldn't figure out why. It was a
>> battery hog, heavy and my little folding phone made calls just as well.
>> Who knew then what the trajectory would be? There is also 1.0 iteration
>> issues. The original Lisa was expensive, slow and buggy but they kept
>> iterating on the basic strong bit of a more human-centered interface.
>> That eventually became the Mac and it's been pretty good since. Lessons
>> learned from the Newton as well. So is today's Apple Watch just a Newton
>> or Lisa - a good core idea that is usable today but needs more
>> development? Maybe AppleTV is just iPhone 1.0 and we haven't realized
>> where it's going to go.
>> 
>> There is one snag in the IoT when those are durable goods. Most devices
>> are running about a 3-year life cycle but my fridge, TV and thermostat
>> are expected to go much longer than that. So what happens to my iOS
>> enabled fridge when iOS 15 comes out? TVs are really hitting commodity
>> prices where margins are super thin so I doubt Apple would want to get
>> into that space. It does make sense to have a removable brain (AppleTV)
>> which I can just plug into the TV or upgrade when brain 2.0 comes out.
>> That also means when the TV dies I can swap it without tossing the the
>> brain with it. That was the idea behind having separate components in AV
>> systems. If you had a TV with a DVD player in it and the player dies,
>> then what?
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 3/22/16 1:24 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> They will sell new iPhones, the iPad is arguable at best.  Sales have
>>> almost tanked on iPads and let’s face it, the phone carries Apple when
>>> you consider just how much of it’s cash flow is on the phone exclusively.
>>> 
>>> And you m are good points but I counter with where has been anything
>>> in the last 5 years.  Ok larger screen, incrementally faster
>>> processors.  Apple didn’t do anything Samsung or the other guys
>>> haven’t done other than continuing to execute a design that was better
>>> to start but that’s only going to get them so far.  I agree it doesn’t
>>> have to be earth shattering overtime but once in the last 5 years
>>> would be nice.  The watch is a maybe but when that’s all you can point
>>> to that’s just sad.
>>> And I would disagree about the earth shattering / disruptive part.
>>> Ask a cab driver if his / her life has changed:).  I shorted a large
>>> hotel chain last year because it was about to get Air BnBed out of
>>> existence.:)  Excellent and well presented points though, definitely
>>> something to think about.
>>> 
>>> I hope I’m wrong by the way, I’d love to be blown away for years to
>>> come by Apple products.  I’m a big fan I just hope they can find their
>>> way again.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 1:16 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I think people have to put this into perspective. There hasn’t been
>>>> any significant innovations by any company that has been earth
>>>> shattering. I think there is an expectation that people have that
>>>> Apple is going to release an actual time machine or a version of SIRI
>>>> that will do your laundry or make you coffee. Realistically, I don’t
>>>> think we’re going to have any major jump in technology for some time
>>>> to come, so if you think every Apple even

Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Vaughn Brown]

In all of this I wonder if consumers are not voices what they would
like Apple to develop directly to Apple. How can a product be
developed without a demand?
Vaughn

On 3/22/16, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> Another perspective is that most people don't know a great thing until
> there are a few years of hindsight. I remember one of my co-workers got
> one of the very first iPhones and I couldn't figure out why. It was a
> battery hog, heavy and my little folding phone made calls just as well.
> Who knew then what the trajectory would be? There is also 1.0 iteration
> issues. The original Lisa was expensive, slow and buggy but they kept
> iterating on the basic strong bit of a more human-centered interface.
> That eventually became the Mac and it's been pretty good since. Lessons
> learned from the Newton as well. So is today's Apple Watch just a Newton
> or Lisa - a good core idea that is usable today but needs more
> development? Maybe AppleTV is just iPhone 1.0 and we haven't realized
> where it's going to go.
>
> There is one snag in the IoT when those are durable goods. Most devices
> are running about a 3-year life cycle but my fridge, TV and thermostat
> are expected to go much longer than that. So what happens to my iOS
> enabled fridge when iOS 15 comes out? TVs are really hitting commodity
> prices where margins are super thin so I doubt Apple would want to get
> into that space. It does make sense to have a removable brain (AppleTV)
> which I can just plug into the TV or upgrade when brain 2.0 comes out.
> That also means when the TV dies I can swap it without tossing the the
> brain with it. That was the idea behind having separate components in AV
> systems. If you had a TV with a DVD player in it and the player dies,
> then what?
>
> CB
>
> On 3/22/16 1:24 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> They will sell new iPhones, the iPad is arguable at best.  Sales have
>> almost tanked on iPads and let’s face it, the phone carries Apple when
>> you consider just how much of it’s cash flow is on the phone exclusively.
>>
>> And you m are good points but I counter with where has been anything
>> in the last 5 years.  Ok larger screen, incrementally faster
>> processors.  Apple didn’t do anything Samsung or the other guys
>> haven’t done other than continuing to execute a design that was better
>> to start but that’s only going to get them so far.  I agree it doesn’t
>> have to be earth shattering overtime but once in the last 5 years
>> would be nice.  The watch is a maybe but when that’s all you can point
>> to that’s just sad.
>> And I would disagree about the earth shattering / disruptive part.
>>  Ask a cab driver if his / her life has changed:).  I shorted a large
>> hotel chain last year because it was about to get Air BnBed out of
>> existence.:)  Excellent and well presented points though, definitely
>> something to think about.
>>
>> I hope I’m wrong by the way, I’d love to be blown away for years to
>> come by Apple products.  I’m a big fan I just hope they can find their
>> way again.
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 1:16 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think people have to put this into perspective. There hasn’t been
>>> any significant innovations by any company that has been earth
>>> shattering. I think there is an expectation that people have that
>>> Apple is going to release an actual time machine or a version of SIRI
>>> that will do your laundry or make you coffee. Realistically, I don’t
>>> think we’re going to have any major jump in technology for some time
>>> to come, so if you think every Apple event or Google event or
>>> Microsoft event is going to present something so truly awesome, you
>>> probably will be left a bit disappointed. We might see minor jumps
>>> here and there, but the curve is going to be relatively fixed for a
>>> while.
>>>
>>> The other part of it is from a marketing standpoint, it was
>>> important for Apple. There are areas of the market that these
>>> products now fill for them and for companies, it’s about the revenue
>>> stream. It might not have been Mac refreshes or anything that
>>> directly impacts the blind, but they will sell the new iPads and
>>> iPhones and a lot of them too.
>>>
>>>
>>> Take Care
>>>
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblin

Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Another perspective is that most people don't know a great thing until 
there are a few years of hindsight. I remember one of my co-workers got 
one of the very first iPhones and I couldn't figure out why. It was a 
battery hog, heavy and my little folding phone made calls just as well. 
Who knew then what the trajectory would be? There is also 1.0 iteration 
issues. The original Lisa was expensive, slow and buggy but they kept 
iterating on the basic strong bit of a more human-centered interface. 
That eventually became the Mac and it's been pretty good since. Lessons 
learned from the Newton as well. So is today's Apple Watch just a Newton 
or Lisa - a good core idea that is usable today but needs more 
development? Maybe AppleTV is just iPhone 1.0 and we haven't realized 
where it's going to go.


There is one snag in the IoT when those are durable goods. Most devices 
are running about a 3-year life cycle but my fridge, TV and thermostat 
are expected to go much longer than that. So what happens to my iOS 
enabled fridge when iOS 15 comes out? TVs are really hitting commodity 
prices where margins are super thin so I doubt Apple would want to get 
into that space. It does make sense to have a removable brain (AppleTV) 
which I can just plug into the TV or upgrade when brain 2.0 comes out. 
That also means when the TV dies I can swap it without tossing the the 
brain with it. That was the idea behind having separate components in AV 
systems. If you had a TV with a DVD player in it and the player dies, 
then what?


CB

On 3/22/16 1:24 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
They will sell new iPhones, the iPad is arguable at best.  Sales have 
almost tanked on iPads and let’s face it, the phone carries Apple when 
you consider just how much of it’s cash flow is on the phone exclusively.


And you m are good points but I counter with where has been anything 
in the last 5 years.  Ok larger screen, incrementally faster 
processors.  Apple didn’t do anything Samsung or the other guys 
haven’t done other than continuing to execute a design that was better 
to start but that’s only going to get them so far.  I agree it doesn’t 
have to be earth shattering overtime but once in the last 5 years 
would be nice.  The watch is a maybe but when that’s all you can point 
to that’s just sad.
And I would disagree about the earth shattering / disruptive part. 
 Ask a cab driver if his / her life has changed:).  I shorted a large 
hotel chain last year because it was about to get Air BnBed out of 
existence.:)  Excellent and well presented points though, definitely 
something to think about.


I hope I’m wrong by the way, I’d love to be blown away for years to 
come by Apple products.  I’m a big fan I just hope they can find their 
way again.



On Mar 22, 2016, at 1:16 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com 
<mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I think people have to put this into perspective. There hasn’t been 
any significant innovations by any company that has been earth 
shattering. I think there is an expectation that people have that 
Apple is going to release an actual time machine or a version of SIRI 
that will do your laundry or make you coffee. Realistically, I don’t 
think we’re going to have any major jump in technology for some time 
to come, so if you think every Apple event or Google event or 
Microsoft event is going to present something so truly awesome, you 
probably will be left a bit disappointed. We might see minor jumps 
here and there, but the curve is going to be relatively fixed for a 
while.


The other part of it is from a marketing standpoint, it was 
important for Apple. There are areas of the market that these 
products now fill for them and for companies, it’s about the revenue 
stream. It might not have been Mac refreshes or anything that 
directly impacts the blind, but they will sell the new iPads and 
iPhones and a lot of them too.



Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com>
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com <http://www.macfortheblind.com/>

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AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT



On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Rod Skene <skene...@gmail.com 
<mailto:skene...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I liked it. Very impressed with the update to Apple TV. Folders, 
dictation,  and Bluetooth keyboard are all very big for me.
 I really like the new iPhone. May try to find a way to switch from 
my 6S plus to the new smaller four-inch phone.
Finally, off-line dictation on my iPhone is really big for me as 
well. Overall there are several new features and a piece of new 
hardware that really interests me.

Rod


Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse any errors.

On Mar 22, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Jenine Stanley 
<dragonwalke...@gmail.com <mailto:dragonwa

Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[E.T.]

   We are indeed our own worst enemies. We have such unrealistically 
high expectations that we collapse with disappointment when Apple does 
not deliver.


   My iPhone 5 is over 3 years old. What can a new phone possibly give 
me? When the 5 bites the dust then I run down to the store and get a new 
one, whatever is available.


   You know, I tell yuh what would constitute earth shattering. Not an 
Apple Cart we can drive ourselves. Better than that. Restoration of our 
sight. Everything else pales in comparison.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 3/22/2016 9:45 AM, Jenine Stanley wrote:

So I’ll ask, anyone answer this one too, what do you expect from Apple
in future?

What constitutes new and innovative? Maybe it’s something you never even
thought of but once hearing it, *need* it.

I’m just curious as to what you think should be coming from this company?

At what point does organization maturity get confused with lack of
innovation and stagnency?
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com 




On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Scott Granados > wrote:

Your points would make more sense if we were 2 or 3 years post Steve
Jobs but we’re many years now.  My opinion is that Tim Cook may be a
very good operations guy but he’s no innovator nor does he inspire
innovation.  Steve Jobs may have been a not in many regards but
whether we like it or not that style did produce a lot of innovation
and creativity.  Whether it was under the gun or not is another story
but the fact is regardless of the methods he got results and pretty
consistently got results.  Other than the watch, what’s new?  A few
music services and streaming options?

The phone has done well. I think Steve Jobs had planned the phone out
for more than 5 years so that has progressed.  All the changes post
Jobs though are incremental.  No major revolutions.
You make excellent points I just wonder if Apple’s best days are
behind them.  I’m thinking seriously of dumping my shares again.  I’ve
made decent money on them but I’m not sure how much of a long term
path forward I see with out some serious home runs from the company.




On Mar 22, 2016, at 11:42 AM, Jenine Stanley
> wrote:

I really think in terms of these presentaitons that we consumers are
our own worst enemy. We now *expect* big things, in March, in June
from WWDC and then again in September/October.

I’m reeling a bit just thinking about iPhone 7 possibly this fall. I
just got a 6s. I know that the new phone plans where you pay each
month and can get the latest and greatest phone are becoming the
thing but at some point I’m afraid we’ll get to that stage where we
can’t be impressed by anything unless it shocks us or is hitting us
with the force of short time spans. I hope that made sense.

Maybe the Spring Event for Apple needs to be toned down. Maybe they
don’t necessarily need to have one.

Was I hoping for more? Yes, but more detail, not more new and
innovative.

For those who feel Apple isn’t blazing trails anymore, what trails?
How do we know this? Just because they aren’t publicly saying
anything about projects doesn’t mean they aren’t happening. That goes
for any company.

I guess my htought on the event as a whole is that it was what it was
and over-analyzing, which we all are guilty of in this 24-hour news
cycle world, can only lead to disappointment…unless Apple sends me
that space Black Milanese Loop band for saying this.
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com 




On Mar 22, 2016, at 11:25 AM, Jenny Wood > wrote:

I didn’t take time out of my day to monitor the event, but I am
kinda glad I didn’t hold off on buying the Apple Watch back at
Christmas, when the predictions were that a new version would be
released this spring.

--

Jenny Wood
Phone: (972 989-3894
Email: kc5...@gmail.com 
Facebook/Twitter: KC5GNI
“I’m the kid who has this habit of dreaming,
 Sometimes gets me in trouble too.
 But the truth is,
 I could no more stop dreaming,
 Than I could make them all come true.”
 — “The Kid” Buddy Mondlock






On Mar 22, 2016, at 7:32 AM, Scott Granados > wrote:

Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a
total waste of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out of
my afternoon for watch bands?

In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what
others thought, is it just me?

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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[John Panarese]

   The phone definitely carries them, but I think the iPad will sell. Frankly, 
though, I don’t know how much more you can do with tablet technology at this 
point. 

   Yeah, all we’re seeing is upgrades to memory and processors at this point. 
At least, that’s all I’ve read about. Sometimes, those changes do make big 
differences if you are going from an earlier model to the current one, but 
that’s about it.

Would I like to see something really special? Of course, but I agree with 
Scott about the innovative aspect of Tim Cook. How much of the industry’s 
innovation power died with Steve Jobs? People like that come so rarely, so, 
again, it’s why I think we’re not going to see anything major until the next 
Steve Jobs breaks onto the scene with some company.

Take Care

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Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

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> On Mar 22, 2016, at 1:24 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
> 
> They will sell new iPhones, the iPad is arguable at best.  Sales have almost 
> tanked on iPads and let’s face it, the phone carries Apple when you consider 
> just how much of it’s cash flow is on the phone exclusively.
> 
> And you m are good points but I counter with where has been anything in the 
> last 5 years.  Ok larger screen, incrementally faster processors.  Apple 
> didn’t do anything Samsung or the other guys haven’t done other than 
> continuing to execute a design that was better to start but that’s only going 
> to get them so far.  I agree it doesn’t have to be earth shattering overtime 
> but once in the last 5 years would be nice.  The watch is a maybe but when 
> that’s all you can point to that’s just sad.
>  
> And I would disagree about the earth shattering / disruptive part.  Ask a cab 
> driver if his / her life has changed:).  I shorted a large hotel chain last 
> year because it was about to get Air BnBed out of existence.:)  Excellent and 
> well presented points though, definitely something to think about.
> 
> I hope I’m wrong by the way, I’d love to be blown away for years to come by 
> Apple products.  I’m a big fan I just hope they can find their way again.
> 
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 1:16 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>   I think people have to put this into perspective. There hasn’t been any 
>> significant innovations by any company that has been earth shattering. I 
>> think there is an expectation that people have that Apple is going to 
>> release an actual time machine or a version of SIRI that will do your 
>> laundry or make you coffee. Realistically, I don’t think we’re going to have 
>> any major jump in technology for some time to come, so if you think every 
>> Apple event or Google event or Microsoft event is going to present something 
>> so truly awesome, you probably will be left a bit disappointed. We might see 
>> minor jumps here and there, but the curve is going to be relatively fixed 
>> for a while.
>> 
>> The other part of it is from a marketing standpoint, it was important 
>> for Apple. There are areas of the market that these products now fill for 
>> them and for companies, it’s about the revenue stream. It might not have 
>> been Mac refreshes or anything that directly impacts the blind, but they 
>> will sell the new iPads and iPhones and a lot of them too.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com>
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com <http://www.macfortheblind.com/>
>> 
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Rod Skene <skene...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:skene...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I liked it. Very impressed with the update to Apple TV. Folders, dictation, 
>>>  and Bluetooth keyboard are all very big for me.
>>>  I really like the new iPhone. May try to find a way to switch from my 6S 
>>> plus to the new smaller four-inch phone.
>>> Finally, off-line dictation on my iPhone is really big for me as well. 
>>> Overall there are several new features and a piece of new hardware that 
>>> really interests me.
>>> Rod
>>> 
>>> 

Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Pete Nalda]

I wasn't too disappointed myself with the event. They delivered the products I 
had heard were coming, and yes there was some pomp, but I find that some is 
warranted, to acknowledge the teams that worked on said products. The only 
thing I see missing from the Jobs days are the "One more thing"segments. Maybe 
that's what we're missing. Anyway, I'm not sure any of the new stuff tempts me, 
as I want something with 3D Touch, and so my next upgrade might just be to a 
6s+. 

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> On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:16 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>   I think people have to put this into perspective. There hasn’t been any 
> significant innovations by any company that has been earth shattering. I 
> think there is an expectation that people have that Apple is going to release 
> an actual time machine or a version of SIRI that will do your laundry or make 
> you coffee. Realistically, I don’t think we’re going to have any major jump 
> in technology for some time to come, so if you think every Apple event or 
> Google event or Microsoft event is going to present something so truly 
> awesome, you probably will be left a bit disappointed. We might see minor 
> jumps here and there, but the curve is going to be relatively fixed for a 
> while.
> 
> The other part of it is from a marketing standpoint, it was important for 
> Apple. There are areas of the market that these products now fill for them 
> and for companies, it’s about the revenue stream. It might not have been Mac 
> refreshes or anything that directly impacts the blind, but they will sell the 
> new iPads and iPhones and a lot of them too.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Rod Skene <skene...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I liked it. Very impressed with the update to Apple TV. Folders, dictation,  
>> and Bluetooth keyboard are all very big for me.
>>  I really like the new iPhone. May try to find a way to switch from my 6S 
>> plus to the new smaller four-inch phone.
>> Finally, off-line dictation on my iPhone is really big for me as well. 
>> Overall there are several new features and a piece of new hardware that 
>> really interests me.
>> Rod
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse any errors.
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I really think in terms of these presentaitons that we consumers are our 
>>> own worst enemy. We now *expect* big things, in March, in June from WWDC 
>>> and then again in September/October. 
>>> 
>>> I’m reeling a bit just thinking about iPhone 7 possibly this fall. I just 
>>> got a 6s. I know that the new phone plans where you pay each month and can 
>>> get the latest and greatest phone are becoming the thing but at some point 
>>> I’m afraid we’ll get to that stage where we can’t be impressed by anything 
>>> unless it shocks us or is hitting us with the force of short time spans. I 
>>> hope that made sense. 
>>> 
>>> Maybe the Spring Event for Apple needs to be toned down. Maybe they don’t 
>>> necessarily need to have one. 
>>> 
>>> Was I hoping for more? Yes, but more detail, not more new and innovative. 
>>> 
>>> For those who feel Apple isn’t blazing trails anymore, what trails? How do 
>>> we know this? Just because they aren’t publicly saying anything about 
>>> projects doesn’t mean they aren’t happening. That goes for any company. 
>>> 
>>> I guess my htought on the event as a whole is that it was what it was and 
>>> over-analyzing, which we all are guilty of in this 24-hour news cycle 
>>> world, can only lead to disappointment…unless Apple sends me that space 
>>> Black Milanese Loop band for saying this. 
>>> Jenine Stanley
>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 11:25 AM, Jenny Wood <kc5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I didn’t take time out of my day to monitor the event, but I am kinda glad 
>>>> I didn’t hold off on buying the Apple 

Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Scott Granados]

They will sell new iPhones, the iPad is arguable at best.  Sales have almost 
tanked on iPads and let’s face it, the phone carries Apple when you consider 
just how much of it’s cash flow is on the phone exclusively.

And you m are good points but I counter with where has been anything in the 
last 5 years.  Ok larger screen, incrementally faster processors.  Apple didn’t 
do anything Samsung or the other guys haven’t done other than continuing to 
execute a design that was better to start but that’s only going to get them so 
far.  I agree it doesn’t have to be earth shattering overtime but once in the 
last 5 years would be nice.  The watch is a maybe but when that’s all you can 
point to that’s just sad.

And I would disagree about the earth shattering / disruptive part.  Ask a cab 
driver if his / her life has changed:).  I shorted a large hotel chain last 
year because it was about to get Air BnBed out of existence.:)  Excellent and 
well presented points though, definitely something to think about.

I hope I’m wrong by the way, I’d love to be blown away for years to come by 
Apple products.  I’m a big fan I just hope they can find their way again.


> On Mar 22, 2016, at 1:16 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>   I think people have to put this into perspective. There hasn’t been any 
> significant innovations by any company that has been earth shattering. I 
> think there is an expectation that people have that Apple is going to release 
> an actual time machine or a version of SIRI that will do your laundry or make 
> you coffee. Realistically, I don’t think we’re going to have any major jump 
> in technology for some time to come, so if you think every Apple event or 
> Google event or Microsoft event is going to present something so truly 
> awesome, you probably will be left a bit disappointed. We might see minor 
> jumps here and there, but the curve is going to be relatively fixed for a 
> while.
> 
> The other part of it is from a marketing standpoint, it was important for 
> Apple. There are areas of the market that these products now fill for them 
> and for companies, it’s about the revenue stream. It might not have been Mac 
> refreshes or anything that directly impacts the blind, but they will sell the 
> new iPads and iPhones and a lot of them too.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com>
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com <http://www.macfortheblind.com/>
> 
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> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Rod Skene <skene...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:skene...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I liked it. Very impressed with the update to Apple TV. Folders, dictation,  
>> and Bluetooth keyboard are all very big for me.
>>  I really like the new iPhone. May try to find a way to switch from my 6S 
>> plus to the new smaller four-inch phone.
>> Finally, off-line dictation on my iPhone is really big for me as well. 
>> Overall there are several new features and a piece of new hardware that 
>> really interests me.
>> Rod
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse any errors.
>> 
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:dragonwalke...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I really think in terms of these presentaitons that we consumers are our 
>>> own worst enemy. We now *expect* big things, in March, in June from WWDC 
>>> and then again in September/October.
>>> 
>>> I’m reeling a bit just thinking about iPhone 7 possibly this fall. I just 
>>> got a 6s. I know that the new phone plans where you pay each month and can 
>>> get the latest and greatest phone are becoming the thing but at some point 
>>> I’m afraid we’ll get to that stage where we can’t be impressed by anything 
>>> unless it shocks us or is hitting us with the force of short time spans. I 
>>> hope that made sense.
>>> 
>>> Maybe the Spring Event for Apple needs to be toned down. Maybe they don’t 
>>> necessarily need to have one.
>>> 
>>> Was I hoping for more? Yes, but more detail, not more new and innovative.
>>> 
>>> For those who feel Apple isn’t blazing trails anymore, what trails? How do 
>>> we know this? Just because they aren’t publicly saying anything about 
>>> projects doesn’t mean they aren’t happening. That goes for any company.
>>> 
>>> I

Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[John Panarese]

  I think people have to put this into perspective. There hasn’t been any 
significant innovations by any company that has been earth shattering. I think 
there is an expectation that people have that Apple is going to release an 
actual time machine or a version of SIRI that will do your laundry or make you 
coffee. Realistically, I don’t think we’re going to have any major jump in 
technology for some time to come, so if you think every Apple event or Google 
event or Microsoft event is going to present something so truly awesome, you 
probably will be left a bit disappointed. We might see minor jumps here and 
there, but the curve is going to be relatively fixed for a while.

The other part of it is from a marketing standpoint, it was important for 
Apple. There are areas of the market that these products now fill for them and 
for companies, it’s about the revenue stream. It might not have been Mac 
refreshes or anything that directly impacts the blind, but they will sell the 
new iPads and iPhones and a lot of them too.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT



> On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Rod Skene <skene...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I liked it. Very impressed with the update to Apple TV. Folders, dictation,  
> and Bluetooth keyboard are all very big for me.
>  I really like the new iPhone. May try to find a way to switch from my 6S 
> plus to the new smaller four-inch phone.
> Finally, off-line dictation on my iPhone is really big for me as well. 
> Overall there are several new features and a piece of new hardware that 
> really interests me.
> Rod
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse any errors.
> 
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:dragonwalke...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> I really think in terms of these presentaitons that we consumers are our own 
>> worst enemy. We now *expect* big things, in March, in June from WWDC and 
>> then again in September/October. 
>> 
>> I’m reeling a bit just thinking about iPhone 7 possibly this fall. I just 
>> got a 6s. I know that the new phone plans where you pay each month and can 
>> get the latest and greatest phone are becoming the thing but at some point 
>> I’m afraid we’ll get to that stage where we can’t be impressed by anything 
>> unless it shocks us or is hitting us with the force of short time spans. I 
>> hope that made sense. 
>> 
>> Maybe the Spring Event for Apple needs to be toned down. Maybe they don’t 
>> necessarily need to have one. 
>> 
>> Was I hoping for more? Yes, but more detail, not more new and innovative. 
>> 
>> For those who feel Apple isn’t blazing trails anymore, what trails? How do 
>> we know this? Just because they aren’t publicly saying anything about 
>> projects doesn’t mean they aren’t happening. That goes for any company. 
>> 
>> I guess my htought on the event as a whole is that it was what it was and 
>> over-analyzing, which we all are guilty of in this 24-hour news cycle world, 
>> can only lead to disappointment…unless Apple sends me that space Black 
>> Milanese Loop band for saying this. 
>> Jenine Stanley
>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com <mailto:dragonwalke...@gmail.com>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 11:25 AM, Jenny Wood <kc5...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:kc5...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I didn’t take time out of my day to monitor the event, but I am kinda glad 
>>> I didn’t hold off on buying the Apple Watch back at Christmas, when the 
>>> predictions were that a new version would be released this spring. 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> Jenny Wood
>>> Phone: (972 989-3894
>>> Email: kc5...@gmail.com <mailto:kc5...@gmail.com>
>>> Facebook/Twitter: KC5GNI
>>> “I’m the kid who has this habit of dreaming,
>>>  Sometimes gets me in trouble too.
>>>  But the truth is,
>>>  I could no more stop dreaming,
>>>  Than I could make them all come true.”
>>>  — “The Kid” Buddy Mondlock
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 7:32 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a total 
>>>> waste of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out

Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Scott Granados]

I think in many cases large organizations fail do to their own success.  They 
get to that point where they become so large and so monstrous they just can’t 
create any more.  IBM is another example.  They are doing interesting things 
but nothing earth shattering any more and they just aren’t innovating and 
getting killed by other companies.  Take the opposite example though, someone 
like a Google really can do cool things even as a huge company valued at 300 
times that of the US auto industry.  It’s about the leadership and Tim Cook is 
a great operations / sustaining engineering guy but he’s not a ground breaker.

What would I like to see?  I’d like to see a full sized television with all the 
Apple TV features included that I can hang on my wall.
I like the smaller phone, I don’t want one but I like the market for it 
so that’s a win already.
More wearables.  Take some risks.  The watch was good do more stuff 
like that.  How about glasses, or what about a cool interface for my car.  Give 
me a Tesla like interface, take car play and give it some steroids.
Run more with the home kit.  Give me an Apple TV, refrigerator, 
security or at least a really usable and not piecemeal whole home environment.


That’s a few I can think of off hand.


> On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:45 PM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> 
> So I’ll ask, anyone answer this one too, what do you expect from Apple in 
> future?
> 
> What constitutes new and innovative? Maybe it’s something you never even 
> thought of but once hearing it, *need* it.
> 
> I’m just curious as to what you think should be coming from this company?
> 
> At what point does organization maturity get confused with lack of innovation 
> and stagnency?
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> Your points would make more sense if we were 2 or 3 years post Steve Jobs 
>> but we’re many years now.  My opinion is that Tim Cook may be a very good 
>> operations guy but he’s no innovator nor does he inspire innovation.  Steve 
>> Jobs may have been a not in many regards but whether we like it or not that 
>> style did produce a lot of innovation and creativity.  Whether it was under 
>> the gun or not is another story but the fact is regardless of the methods he 
>> got results and pretty consistently got results.  Other than the watch, 
>> what’s new?  A few music services and streaming options?
>> 
>> The phone has done well. I think Steve Jobs had planned the phone out for 
>> more than 5 years so that has progressed.  All the changes post Jobs though 
>> are incremental.  No major revolutions.
>> You make excellent points I just wonder if Apple’s best days are behind 
>> them.  I’m thinking seriously of dumping my shares again.  I’ve made decent 
>> money on them but I’m not sure how much of a long term path forward I see 
>> with out some serious home runs from the company.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 11:42 AM, Jenine Stanley >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I really think in terms of these presentaitons that we consumers are our 
>>> own worst enemy. We now *expect* big things, in March, in June from WWDC 
>>> and then again in September/October.
>>> 
>>> I’m reeling a bit just thinking about iPhone 7 possibly this fall. I just 
>>> got a 6s. I know that the new phone plans where you pay each month and can 
>>> get the latest and greatest phone are becoming the thing but at some point 
>>> I’m afraid we’ll get to that stage where we can’t be impressed by anything 
>>> unless it shocks us or is hitting us with the force of short time spans. I 
>>> hope that made sense.
>>> 
>>> Maybe the Spring Event for Apple needs to be toned down. Maybe they don’t 
>>> necessarily need to have one.
>>> 
>>> Was I hoping for more? Yes, but more detail, not more new and innovative.
>>> 
>>> For those who feel Apple isn’t blazing trails anymore, what trails? How do 
>>> we know this? Just because they aren’t publicly saying anything about 
>>> projects doesn’t mean they aren’t happening. That goes for any company.
>>> 
>>> I guess my htought on the event as a whole is that it was what it was and 
>>> over-analyzing, which we all are guilty of in this 24-hour news cycle 
>>> world, can only lead to disappointment…unless Apple sends me that space 
>>> Black Milanese Loop band for saying this.
>>> Jenine Stanley
>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 22, 2016, at 11:25 AM, Jenny Wood > wrote:
 
 I didn’t take time out of my day to monitor the event, but I am kinda glad 
 I didn’t hold off on buying the Apple Watch back at Christmas, when the 
 predictions were that a new version would be released this spring.
 

Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Matthew Dierckens]

Offline dictation is only available on the 6 and up.

God bless.
Matthew Dierckens
Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
Macintosh, IOS  and Windows Trainer
Canadian Phone: 519-962-9140
U.S. phone: 573-401-1018
Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com

> On Mar 22, 2016, at 13:00, Rod Skene  wrote:
> 
> It works on my iPhone 6s Plus but not my old iPhone 5s. I did not have to 
> enable anything. After the update, put your phone in airplane mode and find 
> an edit field To try it out.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse any errors.
> 
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 11:41 AM, venky...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
> 
>> Off-line dictation on the iPhone? I missed it. Does it work on the iPhone 6? 
>> Do I have to enable anything?
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> Regards,
>> Venkatesh Potluri
>> Http://www.venkateshpotluri.me 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 22-Mar-2016, at 10:08 PM, Rod Skene > > wrote:
>> 
>>> I liked it. Very impressed with the update to Apple TV. Folders, dictation, 
>>>  and Bluetooth keyboard are all very big for me.
>>>  I really like the new iPhone. May try to find a way to switch from my 6S 
>>> plus to the new smaller four-inch phone.
>>> Finally, off-line dictation on my iPhone is really big for me as well. 
>>> Overall there are several new features and a piece of new hardware that 
>>> really interests me.
>>> Rod
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse any errors.
>>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Jenine Stanley >> > wrote:
>>> 
 I really think in terms of these presentaitons that we consumers are our 
 own worst enemy. We now *expect* big things, in March, in June from WWDC 
 and then again in September/October. 
 
 I’m reeling a bit just thinking about iPhone 7 possibly this fall. I just 
 got a 6s. I know that the new phone plans where you pay each month and can 
 get the latest and greatest phone are becoming the thing but at some point 
 I’m afraid we’ll get to that stage where we can’t be impressed by anything 
 unless it shocks us or is hitting us with the force of short time spans. I 
 hope that made sense. 
 
 Maybe the Spring Event for Apple needs to be toned down. Maybe they don’t 
 necessarily need to have one. 
 
 Was I hoping for more? Yes, but more detail, not more new and innovative. 
 
 For those who feel Apple isn’t blazing trails anymore, what trails? How do 
 we know this? Just because they aren’t publicly saying anything about 
 projects doesn’t mean they aren’t happening. That goes for any company. 
 
 I guess my htought on the event as a whole is that it was what it was and 
 over-analyzing, which we all are guilty of in this 24-hour news cycle 
 world, can only lead to disappointment…unless Apple sends me that space 
 Black Milanese Loop band for saying this. 
 Jenine Stanley
 dragonwalke...@gmail.com 
 
 
 
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 11:25 AM, Jenny Wood  > wrote:
> 
> I didn’t take time out of my day to monitor the event, but I am kinda 
> glad I didn’t hold off on buying the Apple Watch back at Christmas, when 
> the predictions were that a new version would be released this spring. 
> 
> --
> 
> Jenny Wood
> Phone: (972 989-3894
> Email: kc5...@gmail.com 
> Facebook/Twitter: KC5GNI
> “I’m the kid who has this habit of dreaming,
>  Sometimes gets me in trouble too.
>  But the truth is,
>  I could no more stop dreaming,
>  Than I could make them all come true.”
>  — “The Kid” Buddy Mondlock
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 7:32 AM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a 
>> total waste of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out of my 
>> afternoon for watch bands?
>> 
>> In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what 
>> others thought, is it just me?
>> 
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Rod Skene]

It works on my iPhone 6s Plus but not my old iPhone 5s. I did not have to 
enable anything. After the update, put your phone in airplane mode and find an 
edit field To try it out.

Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse any errors.

> On Mar 22, 2016, at 11:41 AM, venky...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Off-line dictation on the iPhone? I missed it. Does it work on the iPhone 6? 
> Do I have to enable anything?
> 
> Thank you.
> Regards,
> Venkatesh Potluri
> Http://www.venkateshpotluri.me
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 22-Mar-2016, at 10:08 PM, Rod Skene  wrote:
>> 
>> I liked it. Very impressed with the update to Apple TV. Folders, dictation,  
>> and Bluetooth keyboard are all very big for me.
>>  I really like the new iPhone. May try to find a way to switch from my 6S 
>> plus to the new smaller four-inch phone.
>> Finally, off-line dictation on my iPhone is really big for me as well. 
>> Overall there are several new features and a piece of new hardware that 
>> really interests me.
>> Rod
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse any errors.
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Jenine Stanley  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I really think in terms of these presentaitons that we consumers are our 
>>> own worst enemy. We now *expect* big things, in March, in June from WWDC 
>>> and then again in September/October. 
>>> 
>>> I’m reeling a bit just thinking about iPhone 7 possibly this fall. I just 
>>> got a 6s. I know that the new phone plans where you pay each month and can 
>>> get the latest and greatest phone are becoming the thing but at some point 
>>> I’m afraid we’ll get to that stage where we can’t be impressed by anything 
>>> unless it shocks us or is hitting us with the force of short time spans. I 
>>> hope that made sense. 
>>> 
>>> Maybe the Spring Event for Apple needs to be toned down. Maybe they don’t 
>>> necessarily need to have one. 
>>> 
>>> Was I hoping for more? Yes, but more detail, not more new and innovative. 
>>> 
>>> For those who feel Apple isn’t blazing trails anymore, what trails? How do 
>>> we know this? Just because they aren’t publicly saying anything about 
>>> projects doesn’t mean they aren’t happening. That goes for any company. 
>>> 
>>> I guess my htought on the event as a whole is that it was what it was and 
>>> over-analyzing, which we all are guilty of in this 24-hour news cycle 
>>> world, can only lead to disappointment…unless Apple sends me that space 
>>> Black Milanese Loop band for saying this. 
>>> Jenine Stanley
>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 22, 2016, at 11:25 AM, Jenny Wood  wrote:
 
 I didn’t take time out of my day to monitor the event, but I am kinda glad 
 I didn’t hold off on buying the Apple Watch back at Christmas, when the 
 predictions were that a new version would be released this spring. 
 
 --
 
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 Phone: (972 989-3894
 Email: kc5...@gmail.com
 Facebook/Twitter: KC5GNI
 “I’m the kid who has this habit of dreaming,
  Sometimes gets me in trouble too.
  But the truth is,
  I could no more stop dreaming,
  Than I could make them all come true.”
  — “The Kid” Buddy Mondlock
 
 
 
 
 
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 7:32 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a total 
> waste of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out of my afternoon 
> for watch bands?
> 
> In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what others 
> thought, is it just me?
> 
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Blee Blat]

I think this seems to be a problem with society in general it's just more 
noticeable with Apple because of the number of innovations in the past. But I 
don't see how Windows or Android or anything else is really doing anything that 
anyone would call progressive. It seems to me we're just stuck in some illusion 
of progress because people really don't contemplate things all that much. I'm 
not really happy with any of the technologies at the moment.

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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Jenine Stanley]

So I’ll ask, anyone answer this one too, what do you expect from Apple in 
future? 

What constitutes new and innovative? Maybe it’s something you never even 
thought of but once hearing it, *need* it. 

I’m just curious as to what you think should be coming from this company? 

At what point does organization maturity get confused with lack of innovation 
and stagnency? 
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



> On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Your points would make more sense if we were 2 or 3 years post Steve Jobs but 
> we’re many years now.  My opinion is that Tim Cook may be a very good 
> operations guy but he’s no innovator nor does he inspire innovation.  Steve 
> Jobs may have been a not in many regards but whether we like it or not that 
> style did produce a lot of innovation and creativity.  Whether it was under 
> the gun or not is another story but the fact is regardless of the methods he 
> got results and pretty consistently got results.  Other than the watch, 
> what’s new?  A few music services and streaming options?
> 
> The phone has done well. I think Steve Jobs had planned the phone out for 
> more than 5 years so that has progressed.  All the changes post Jobs though 
> are incremental.  No major revolutions.
> You make excellent points I just wonder if Apple’s best days are behind them. 
>  I’m thinking seriously of dumping my shares again.  I’ve made decent money 
> on them but I’m not sure how much of a long term path forward I see with out 
> some serious home runs from the company.
>  
> 
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 11:42 AM, Jenine Stanley > > wrote:
>> 
>> I really think in terms of these presentaitons that we consumers are our own 
>> worst enemy. We now *expect* big things, in March, in June from WWDC and 
>> then again in September/October. 
>> 
>> I’m reeling a bit just thinking about iPhone 7 possibly this fall. I just 
>> got a 6s. I know that the new phone plans where you pay each month and can 
>> get the latest and greatest phone are becoming the thing but at some point 
>> I’m afraid we’ll get to that stage where we can’t be impressed by anything 
>> unless it shocks us or is hitting us with the force of short time spans. I 
>> hope that made sense. 
>> 
>> Maybe the Spring Event for Apple needs to be toned down. Maybe they don’t 
>> necessarily need to have one. 
>> 
>> Was I hoping for more? Yes, but more detail, not more new and innovative. 
>> 
>> For those who feel Apple isn’t blazing trails anymore, what trails? How do 
>> we know this? Just because they aren’t publicly saying anything about 
>> projects doesn’t mean they aren’t happening. That goes for any company. 
>> 
>> I guess my htought on the event as a whole is that it was what it was and 
>> over-analyzing, which we all are guilty of in this 24-hour news cycle world, 
>> can only lead to disappointment…unless Apple sends me that space Black 
>> Milanese Loop band for saying this. 
>> Jenine Stanley
>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 11:25 AM, Jenny Wood >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I didn’t take time out of my day to monitor the event, but I am kinda glad 
>>> I didn’t hold off on buying the Apple Watch back at Christmas, when the 
>>> predictions were that a new version would be released this spring. 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> Jenny Wood
>>> Phone: (972 989-3894
>>> Email: kc5...@gmail.com 
>>> Facebook/Twitter: KC5GNI
>>> “I’m the kid who has this habit of dreaming,
>>>  Sometimes gets me in trouble too.
>>>  But the truth is,
>>>  I could no more stop dreaming,
>>>  Than I could make them all come true.”
>>>  — “The Kid” Buddy Mondlock
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 22, 2016, at 7:32 AM, Scott Granados > wrote:
 
 Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a total 
 waste of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out of my afternoon 
 for watch bands?
 
 In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what others 
 thought, is it just me?
 
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[venky . 92]

Off-line dictation on the iPhone? I missed it. Does it work on the iPhone 6? Do 
I have to enable anything?

Thank you.
Regards,
Venkatesh Potluri
Http://www.venkateshpotluri.me
Sent from my iPhone

> On 22-Mar-2016, at 10:08 PM, Rod Skene  wrote:
> 
> I liked it. Very impressed with the update to Apple TV. Folders, dictation,  
> and Bluetooth keyboard are all very big for me.
>  I really like the new iPhone. May try to find a way to switch from my 6S 
> plus to the new smaller four-inch phone.
> Finally, off-line dictation on my iPhone is really big for me as well. 
> Overall there are several new features and a piece of new hardware that 
> really interests me.
> Rod
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse any errors.
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Jenine Stanley  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I really think in terms of these presentaitons that we consumers are our own 
>> worst enemy. We now *expect* big things, in March, in June from WWDC and 
>> then again in September/October. 
>> 
>> I’m reeling a bit just thinking about iPhone 7 possibly this fall. I just 
>> got a 6s. I know that the new phone plans where you pay each month and can 
>> get the latest and greatest phone are becoming the thing but at some point 
>> I’m afraid we’ll get to that stage where we can’t be impressed by anything 
>> unless it shocks us or is hitting us with the force of short time spans. I 
>> hope that made sense. 
>> 
>> Maybe the Spring Event for Apple needs to be toned down. Maybe they don’t 
>> necessarily need to have one. 
>> 
>> Was I hoping for more? Yes, but more detail, not more new and innovative. 
>> 
>> For those who feel Apple isn’t blazing trails anymore, what trails? How do 
>> we know this? Just because they aren’t publicly saying anything about 
>> projects doesn’t mean they aren’t happening. That goes for any company. 
>> 
>> I guess my htought on the event as a whole is that it was what it was and 
>> over-analyzing, which we all are guilty of in this 24-hour news cycle world, 
>> can only lead to disappointment…unless Apple sends me that space Black 
>> Milanese Loop band for saying this. 
>> Jenine Stanley
>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 11:25 AM, Jenny Wood  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I didn’t take time out of my day to monitor the event, but I am kinda glad 
>>> I didn’t hold off on buying the Apple Watch back at Christmas, when the 
>>> predictions were that a new version would be released this spring. 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> Jenny Wood
>>> Phone: (972 989-3894
>>> Email: kc5...@gmail.com
>>> Facebook/Twitter: KC5GNI
>>> “I’m the kid who has this habit of dreaming,
>>>  Sometimes gets me in trouble too.
>>>  But the truth is,
>>>  I could no more stop dreaming,
>>>  Than I could make them all come true.”
>>>  — “The Kid” Buddy Mondlock
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 22, 2016, at 7:32 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
 
 Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a total 
 waste of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out of my afternoon 
 for watch bands?
 
 In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what others 
 thought, is it just me?
 
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[venky . 92]

You make nice points. Yes, Apple seriously need to tone down its spring event 
or rather not have it. 

Thank you.
Regards,
Venkatesh Potluri
Http://www.venkateshpotluri.me
Sent from my iPhone

> On 22-Mar-2016, at 9:12 PM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> 
> I really think in terms of these presentaitons that we consumers are our own 
> worst enemy. We now *expect* big things, in March, in June from WWDC and then 
> again in September/October. 
> 
> I’m reeling a bit just thinking about iPhone 7 possibly this fall. I just got 
> a 6s. I know that the new phone plans where you pay each month and can get 
> the latest and greatest phone are becoming the thing but at some point I’m 
> afraid we’ll get to that stage where we can’t be impressed by anything unless 
> it shocks us or is hitting us with the force of short time spans. I hope that 
> made sense. 
> 
> Maybe the Spring Event for Apple needs to be toned down. Maybe they don’t 
> necessarily need to have one. 
> 
> Was I hoping for more? Yes, but more detail, not more new and innovative. 
> 
> For those who feel Apple isn’t blazing trails anymore, what trails? How do we 
> know this? Just because they aren’t publicly saying anything about projects 
> doesn’t mean they aren’t happening. That goes for any company. 
> 
> I guess my htought on the event as a whole is that it was what it was and 
> over-analyzing, which we all are guilty of in this 24-hour news cycle world, 
> can only lead to disappointment…unless Apple sends me that space Black 
> Milanese Loop band for saying this. 
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 11:25 AM, Jenny Wood  wrote:
>> 
>> I didn’t take time out of my day to monitor the event, but I am kinda glad I 
>> didn’t hold off on buying the Apple Watch back at Christmas, when the 
>> predictions were that a new version would be released this spring. 
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Jenny Wood
>> Phone: (972 989-3894
>> Email: kc5...@gmail.com
>> Facebook/Twitter: KC5GNI
>> “I’m the kid who has this habit of dreaming,
>>  Sometimes gets me in trouble too.
>>  But the truth is,
>>  I could no more stop dreaming,
>>  Than I could make them all come true.”
>>  — “The Kid” Buddy Mondlock
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 7:32 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a total 
>>> waste of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out of my afternoon 
>>> for watch bands?
>>> 
>>> In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what others 
>>> thought, is it just me?
>>> 
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Rod Skene]

I liked it. Very impressed with the update to Apple TV. Folders, dictation,  
and Bluetooth keyboard are all very big for me.
 I really like the new iPhone. May try to find a way to switch from my 6S plus 
to the new smaller four-inch phone.
Finally, off-line dictation on my iPhone is really big for me as well. Overall 
there are several new features and a piece of new hardware that really 
interests me.
Rod


Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse any errors.

> On Mar 22, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> 
> I really think in terms of these presentaitons that we consumers are our own 
> worst enemy. We now *expect* big things, in March, in June from WWDC and then 
> again in September/October. 
> 
> I’m reeling a bit just thinking about iPhone 7 possibly this fall. I just got 
> a 6s. I know that the new phone plans where you pay each month and can get 
> the latest and greatest phone are becoming the thing but at some point I’m 
> afraid we’ll get to that stage where we can’t be impressed by anything unless 
> it shocks us or is hitting us with the force of short time spans. I hope that 
> made sense. 
> 
> Maybe the Spring Event for Apple needs to be toned down. Maybe they don’t 
> necessarily need to have one. 
> 
> Was I hoping for more? Yes, but more detail, not more new and innovative. 
> 
> For those who feel Apple isn’t blazing trails anymore, what trails? How do we 
> know this? Just because they aren’t publicly saying anything about projects 
> doesn’t mean they aren’t happening. That goes for any company. 
> 
> I guess my htought on the event as a whole is that it was what it was and 
> over-analyzing, which we all are guilty of in this 24-hour news cycle world, 
> can only lead to disappointment…unless Apple sends me that space Black 
> Milanese Loop band for saying this. 
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 11:25 AM, Jenny Wood  wrote:
>> 
>> I didn’t take time out of my day to monitor the event, but I am kinda glad I 
>> didn’t hold off on buying the Apple Watch back at Christmas, when the 
>> predictions were that a new version would be released this spring. 
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Jenny Wood
>> Phone: (972 989-3894
>> Email: kc5...@gmail.com
>> Facebook/Twitter: KC5GNI
>> “I’m the kid who has this habit of dreaming,
>>  Sometimes gets me in trouble too.
>>  But the truth is,
>>  I could no more stop dreaming,
>>  Than I could make them all come true.”
>>  — “The Kid” Buddy Mondlock
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 7:32 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a total 
>>> waste of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out of my afternoon 
>>> for watch bands?
>>> 
>>> In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what others 
>>> thought, is it just me?
>>> 
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Scott Granados]

Your points would make more sense if we were 2 or 3 years post Steve Jobs but 
we’re many years now.  My opinion is that Tim Cook may be a very good 
operations guy but he’s no innovator nor does he inspire innovation.  Steve 
Jobs may have been a not in many regards but whether we like it or not that 
style did produce a lot of innovation and creativity.  Whether it was under the 
gun or not is another story but the fact is regardless of the methods he got 
results and pretty consistently got results.  Other than the watch, what’s new? 
 A few music services and streaming options?

The phone has done well. I think Steve Jobs had planned the phone out for more 
than 5 years so that has progressed.  All the changes post Jobs though are 
incremental.  No major revolutions.
You make excellent points I just wonder if Apple’s best days are behind them.  
I’m thinking seriously of dumping my shares again.  I’ve made decent money on 
them but I’m not sure how much of a long term path forward I see with out some 
serious home runs from the company.



> On Mar 22, 2016, at 11:42 AM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> 
> I really think in terms of these presentaitons that we consumers are our own 
> worst enemy. We now *expect* big things, in March, in June from WWDC and then 
> again in September/October.
> 
> I’m reeling a bit just thinking about iPhone 7 possibly this fall. I just got 
> a 6s. I know that the new phone plans where you pay each month and can get 
> the latest and greatest phone are becoming the thing but at some point I’m 
> afraid we’ll get to that stage where we can’t be impressed by anything unless 
> it shocks us or is hitting us with the force of short time spans. I hope that 
> made sense.
> 
> Maybe the Spring Event for Apple needs to be toned down. Maybe they don’t 
> necessarily need to have one.
> 
> Was I hoping for more? Yes, but more detail, not more new and innovative.
> 
> For those who feel Apple isn’t blazing trails anymore, what trails? How do we 
> know this? Just because they aren’t publicly saying anything about projects 
> doesn’t mean they aren’t happening. That goes for any company.
> 
> I guess my htought on the event as a whole is that it was what it was and 
> over-analyzing, which we all are guilty of in this 24-hour news cycle world, 
> can only lead to disappointment…unless Apple sends me that space Black 
> Milanese Loop band for saying this.
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 11:25 AM, Jenny Wood > > wrote:
>> 
>> I didn’t take time out of my day to monitor the event, but I am kinda glad I 
>> didn’t hold off on buying the Apple Watch back at Christmas, when the 
>> predictions were that a new version would be released this spring.
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Jenny Wood
>> Phone: (972 989-3894
>> Email: kc5...@gmail.com 
>> Facebook/Twitter: KC5GNI
>> “I’m the kid who has this habit of dreaming,
>>  Sometimes gets me in trouble too.
>>  But the truth is,
>>  I could no more stop dreaming,
>>  Than I could make them all come true.”
>>  — “The Kid” Buddy Mondlock
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 7:32 AM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a total 
>>> waste of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out of my afternoon 
>>> for watch bands?
>>> 
>>> In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what others 
>>> thought, is it just me?
>>> 
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Jenine Stanley]

I really think in terms of these presentaitons that we consumers are our own 
worst enemy. We now *expect* big things, in March, in June from WWDC and then 
again in September/October. 

I’m reeling a bit just thinking about iPhone 7 possibly this fall. I just got a 
6s. I know that the new phone plans where you pay each month and can get the 
latest and greatest phone are becoming the thing but at some point I’m afraid 
we’ll get to that stage where we can’t be impressed by anything unless it 
shocks us or is hitting us with the force of short time spans. I hope that made 
sense. 

Maybe the Spring Event for Apple needs to be toned down. Maybe they don’t 
necessarily need to have one. 

Was I hoping for more? Yes, but more detail, not more new and innovative. 

For those who feel Apple isn’t blazing trails anymore, what trails? How do we 
know this? Just because they aren’t publicly saying anything about projects 
doesn’t mean they aren’t happening. That goes for any company. 

I guess my htought on the event as a whole is that it was what it was and 
over-analyzing, which we all are guilty of in this 24-hour news cycle world, 
can only lead to disappointment…unless Apple sends me that space Black Milanese 
Loop band for saying this. 
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



> On Mar 22, 2016, at 11:25 AM, Jenny Wood  wrote:
> 
> I didn’t take time out of my day to monitor the event, but I am kinda glad I 
> didn’t hold off on buying the Apple Watch back at Christmas, when the 
> predictions were that a new version would be released this spring. 
> 
> --
> 
> Jenny Wood
> Phone: (972 989-3894
> Email: kc5...@gmail.com 
> Facebook/Twitter: KC5GNI
> “I’m the kid who has this habit of dreaming,
>  Sometimes gets me in trouble too.
>  But the truth is,
>  I could no more stop dreaming,
>  Than I could make them all come true.”
>  — “The Kid” Buddy Mondlock
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 7:32 AM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a total 
>> waste of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out of my afternoon 
>> for watch bands?
>> 
>> In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what others 
>> thought, is it just me?
>> 
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

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I seriously hope it does. With companies like tesla braking ground, Apple has 
to come up with a very, very! Different and innovative consept.

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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Jenny Wood]

I didn’t take time out of my day to monitor the event, but I am kinda glad I 
didn’t hold off on buying the Apple Watch back at Christmas, when the 
predictions were that a new version would be released this spring. 

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> On Mar 22, 2016, at 7:32 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

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   Would the Apple Cart not be blazing new trails? (smiles)

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On 3/22/2016 7:23 AM, Rich Ring wrote:

I couldn’t agree more! Apple has set amazing standards, but they are not
blazing new trails any longer.

On Mar 22, 2016, at 7:32 AM, Scott Granados > wrote:

Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a
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In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Rich Ring]

I couldn’t agree more! Apple has set amazing standards, but they are not 
blazing new trails any longer.
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 7:32 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Venkatesh Potluri]

I’m very disappointed too.

To start off, there was nothing surprising about the event. everything (the 
iPhone, the iPad pro and one of the watch bands) were expected. They announced 
“folders” as a new feature in the event… seriously? it would have been ok if 
they demoed how entering passwords using siri would work on the appleTV. Though 
I don’t own an appleTV, i was disappointed to see features like that being 
announced at an event at that scale.

and the iPhone SE… Though it was expected to have similar features to the 
iPhone 6S with a 5 design, the whole presentation seemed very boring. and the 
phone costs $200 more in india when compared to the US. the price difference 
between the iPhone SE and iPhone 6S (from amazon and other online retailers) is 
around Rs1,000 (around $20). Very disappointing.
> On 22-Mar-2016, at 6:02 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Scott Granados]

Well remember WWDC they usually have in SF and the iPhone usually gets released 
at the Flint Center or museum of fine art.

I was wondering the same thing though, I heard that comment as well.

> On Mar 22, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Basioli George  wrote:
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> here is a better question.  does this mean no september event since tim said 
> the next event will be held in their new place in 2017???
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 6:03 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Right or an Apple TV, something, anything, give me some Apple jar openers, 
>> Apple socks, something new.  The watch is good but you need to give me more 
>> than bands.  I like bands but I like new features better.
>> 
>> A self driving car would be fantastic. I like the apple design, the car 
>> doesn’t have windows.:)  It has screens instead.
>> 
>> I’m with you they need to stop with the theatrics if there’s nothing to 
>> show.  Steve we miss you buddy!
>> 
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>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 8:59 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
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>>> There was not anything unexpected. I am interested in the smaller iPad Pro. 
>>> However, a big presentation did not seem necessary. And, too many such will 
>>> weaken the hype for the future.
>>> 
>>> Now, if Apple were to announce an iPad Pro / MacBook combo device, or a 
>>> MacBook with a touch screen, I would be very excited! And, a self-driving 
>>> Apple Car, now that would be fantastic!
>>> 
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>>> 
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 Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a total 
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 In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what others 
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

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I think he was saying it was the last time they would do an event in 
that particular space. They can, and probably will, have other events in 
other venues. He seemed be waxing nostalgic over the number of major 
announcements that had been made there over the years.


CB

On 3/22/16 9:25 AM, Basioli George wrote:

here is a better question.  does this mean no september event since tim said 
the next event will be held in their new place in 2017???

On Mar 22, 2016, at 6:03 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:

Right or an Apple TV, something, anything, give me some Apple jar openers, 
Apple socks, something new.  The watch is good but you need to give me more 
than bands.  I like bands but I like new features better.

A self driving car would be fantastic. I like the apple design, the car doesn’t 
have windows.:)  It has screens instead.

I’m with you they need to stop with the theatrics if there’s nothing to show.  
Steve we miss you buddy!



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There was not anything unexpected. I am interested in the smaller iPad Pro. 
However, a big presentation did not seem necessary. And, too many such will 
weaken the hype for the future.

Now, if Apple were to announce an iPad Pro / MacBook combo device, or a MacBook 
with a touch screen, I would be very excited! And, a self-driving Apple Car, 
now that would be fantastic!

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Sent from my iPhone


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Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a total waste 
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In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what others 
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Donna Goodin]

Yep, I'm with you there, Scott. :)
Cheers,
Donna
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:
> 
> They did announce the smaller iPad and the smaller iPhone. I kind of
> wish I hadn't gotten a 6S, since the se has all the specs of the 6S
> but with no 3D touch, which I almost never use anyway.
> 
> Scott
> 
> On 3/22/16, Basioli George  wrote:
>> here is a better question.  does this mean no september event since tim said
>> the next event will be held in their new place in 2017???
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 6:03 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Right or an Apple TV, something, anything, give me some Apple jar openers,
>>> Apple socks, something new.  The watch is good but you need to give me
>>> more than bands.  I like bands but I like new features better.
>>> 
>>> A self driving car would be fantastic. I like the apple design, the car
>>> doesn’t have windows.:)  It has screens instead.
>>> 
>>> I’m with you they need to stop with the theatrics if there’s nothing to
>>> show.  Steve we miss you buddy!
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 22, 2016, at 8:59 AM, David Chittenden 
 wrote:
 
 There was not anything unexpected. I am interested in the smaller iPad
 Pro. However, a big presentation did not seem necessary. And, too many
 such will weaken the hype for the future.
 
 Now, if Apple were to announce an iPad Pro / MacBook combo device, or a
 MacBook with a touch screen, I would be very excited! And, a self-driving
 Apple Car, now that would be fantastic!
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 23 Mar 2016, at 01:32, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a
> total waste of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out of my
> afternoon for watch bands?
> 
> In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what
> others thought, is it just me?
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Donna Goodin]

And I love the idea of just having an unlocked phone.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:
> 
> They did announce the smaller iPad and the smaller iPhone. I kind of
> wish I hadn't gotten a 6S, since the se has all the specs of the 6S
> but with no 3D touch, which I almost never use anyway.
> 
> Scott
> 
> On 3/22/16, Basioli George  wrote:
>> here is a better question.  does this mean no september event since tim said
>> the next event will be held in their new place in 2017???
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 6:03 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Right or an Apple TV, something, anything, give me some Apple jar openers,
>>> Apple socks, something new.  The watch is good but you need to give me
>>> more than bands.  I like bands but I like new features better.
>>> 
>>> A self driving car would be fantastic. I like the apple design, the car
>>> doesn’t have windows.:)  It has screens instead.
>>> 
>>> I’m with you they need to stop with the theatrics if there’s nothing to
>>> show.  Steve we miss you buddy!
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 22, 2016, at 8:59 AM, David Chittenden 
 wrote:
 
 There was not anything unexpected. I am interested in the smaller iPad
 Pro. However, a big presentation did not seem necessary. And, too many
 such will weaken the hype for the future.
 
 Now, if Apple were to announce an iPad Pro / MacBook combo device, or a
 MacBook with a touch screen, I would be very excited! And, a self-driving
 Apple Car, now that would be fantastic!
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 23 Mar 2016, at 01:32, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a
> total waste of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out of my
> afternoon for watch bands?
> 
> In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what
> others thought, is it just me?
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Jenine Stanley]

I was very disappointed in the Watch portion of the event. New bands? Wow…  
Yeah, someone can buy me the Milanese Loop Space Black for being a decent 
person, but … OK, so I did buy one of the new nylon ones but I was hoping for 
more detail on Watch OS2.2. OK, so I can pair 2 watches with 1 phone but what 
about those of us who have 2 phones and 1 Watch? I’d love to be able to switch 
between my work phone with all of my work calendars, etc., and my home phone, 
cause I’m all that ya know. 
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



> On Mar 22, 2016, at 9:03 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Right or an Apple TV, something, anything, give me some Apple jar openers, 
> Apple socks, something new.  The watch is good but you need to give me more 
> than bands.  I like bands but I like new features better.
> 
> A self driving car would be fantastic. I like the apple design, the car 
> doesn’t have windows.:)  It has screens instead.
> 
> I’m with you they need to stop with the theatrics if there’s nothing to show. 
>  Steve we miss you buddy!
> 
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 8:59 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> There was not anything unexpected. I am interested in the smaller iPad Pro. 
>> However, a big presentation did not seem necessary. And, too many such will 
>> weaken the hype for the future.
>> 
>> Now, if Apple were to announce an iPad Pro / MacBook combo device, or a 
>> MacBook with a touch screen, I would be very excited! And, a self-driving 
>> Apple Car, now that would be fantastic!
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 23 Mar 2016, at 01:32, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a total 
>>> waste of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out of my afternoon 
>>> for watch bands?
>>> 
>>> In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what others 
>>> thought, is it just me?
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Scott Davert]

They did announce the smaller iPad and the smaller iPhone. I kind of
wish I hadn't gotten a 6S, since the se has all the specs of the 6S
but with no 3D touch, which I almost never use anyway.

Scott

On 3/22/16, Basioli George  wrote:
> here is a better question.  does this mean no september event since tim said
> the next event will be held in their new place in 2017???
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 6:03 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>
>> Right or an Apple TV, something, anything, give me some Apple jar openers,
>> Apple socks, something new.  The watch is good but you need to give me
>> more than bands.  I like bands but I like new features better.
>>
>> A self driving car would be fantastic. I like the apple design, the car
>> doesn’t have windows.:)  It has screens instead.
>>
>> I’m with you they need to stop with the theatrics if there’s nothing to
>> show.  Steve we miss you buddy!
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 8:59 AM, David Chittenden 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> There was not anything unexpected. I am interested in the smaller iPad
>>> Pro. However, a big presentation did not seem necessary. And, too many
>>> such will weaken the hype for the future.
>>>
>>> Now, if Apple were to announce an iPad Pro / MacBook combo device, or a
>>> MacBook with a touch screen, I would be very excited! And, a self-driving
>>> Apple Car, now that would be fantastic!
>>>
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On 23 Mar 2016, at 01:32, Scott Granados  wrote:

 Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a
 total waste of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out of my
 afternoon for watch bands?

 In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what
 others thought, is it just me?

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[Basioli George]

here is a better question.  does this mean no september event since tim said 
the next event will be held in their new place in 2017???
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 6:03 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Right or an Apple TV, something, anything, give me some Apple jar openers, 
> Apple socks, something new.  The watch is good but you need to give me more 
> than bands.  I like bands but I like new features better.
> 
> A self driving car would be fantastic. I like the apple design, the car 
> doesn’t have windows.:)  It has screens instead.
> 
> I’m with you they need to stop with the theatrics if there’s nothing to show. 
>  Steve we miss you buddy!
> 
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 8:59 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> There was not anything unexpected. I am interested in the smaller iPad Pro. 
>> However, a big presentation did not seem necessary. And, too many such will 
>> weaken the hype for the future.
>> 
>> Now, if Apple were to announce an iPad Pro / MacBook combo device, or a 
>> MacBook with a touch screen, I would be very excited! And, a self-driving 
>> Apple Car, now that would be fantastic!
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 23 Mar 2016, at 01:32, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a total 
>>> waste of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out of my afternoon 
>>> for watch bands?
>>> 
>>> In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what others 
>>> thought, is it just me?
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Scott Granados]

Right or an Apple TV, something, anything, give me some Apple jar openers, 
Apple socks, something new.  The watch is good but you need to give me more 
than bands.  I like bands but I like new features better.

A self driving car would be fantastic. I like the apple design, the car doesn’t 
have windows.:)  It has screens instead.

I’m with you they need to stop with the theatrics if there’s nothing to show.  
Steve we miss you buddy!


> On Mar 22, 2016, at 8:59 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> There was not anything unexpected. I am interested in the smaller iPad Pro. 
> However, a big presentation did not seem necessary. And, too many such will 
> weaken the hype for the future.
> 
> Now, if Apple were to announce an iPad Pro / MacBook combo device, or a 
> MacBook with a touch screen, I would be very excited! And, a self-driving 
> Apple Car, now that would be fantastic!
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 23 Mar 2016, at 01:32, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a total 
>> waste of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out of my afternoon 
>> for watch bands?
>> 
>> In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what others 
>> thought, is it just me?
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