having

[adrian]

haveing trouble with updating to yousematy for a strange reason when i try to 
update mmy mack book air 11 inch it says i need to enter my computer admin pass 
word. when i presss enter on it it wil not installl is there a way i can fi 
it?i wil be going to the apple store to try and fix it. wil the geniouses 
beable to install you sematy for meÎ

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Re: having

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi Adrian. In the future, can you please make your subject lines more specific? 
If you only have one word subjects like this, people might delete the message. 
Now as for your question, I've had this problem too. Just keep trying until it 
installs. I had to do it three times myself before it installed.

Shawn
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> On Oct 18, 2014, at 11:50 AM, adrian  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> haveing trouble with updating to yousematy for a strange reason when i try to 
> update mmy mack book air 11 inch it says i need to enter my computer admin 
> pass word. when i presss enter on it it wil not installl is there a way i can 
> fi it?i wil be going to the apple store to try and fix it. wil the geniouses 
> beable to install you sematy for meÎ
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Re: Having Itunes problems

[Jude DaShiell]

After tabbing over to songs, interact with songs and then expand songs 
then move down to genres and select your genre and interact with that 
genre.  Once you do that, another list opens inside that genre with 
relevant streams.  So move down to each stream and select it and then open 
it up.On Thu, 1 Jan 2009, Robert Dehard wrote:

> Hi folks, I have read, but may be missing something with regards to selecting 
> and opening radio stations in itunes.
>
> I do the following:
>
> Go to the sources table select radio stations, tab over to the songs to 
> select a jenre of music and attempt to open it with vo-\. I get the piano 
> note sound and nothing opens.
>
> Okay, What am I missing here?
>
> Thanks.
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Having trouble selecting text

[Shannon Dyer]

Hi, all.

I have a feeling I'm missing something really simple, because I'm guessing this 
really shouldn't be that hard.

I use command shift and the up or down arrows to select text, but it doesn't 
seem to work. If I'm in a list of files, and I want to select two or three of 
them, it somehow selects them all. If I'm on a website, it selects the first 
few lines, but then, VO stops speaking.

Any thoughts?

Shannon
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still having those problems

[Brandon Misch]

Hey all. my gf chantel is still having issues recieving e-mails from  
this list. she's on the macvoice over list. is there a way that she  
can be on this list. she's already on the list but is not recieving e- 
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Still having dropbox issues

[Kirsten Edmondson]

Hi, I'm still not having any luck with dropbox. 
I got a response from the tech guys at dropbox.com and he said I should try 
unlinking and re-linking my dropbox so that hopefully I would then get access 
to all my files-as it is currently empty and I know it's quite full in reality. 
He said to go 
1) Right click the Dropbox icon in the system tray at the bottom right of your 
screen, by the clock on Windows or menu bar at the top of your screen on Mac.
2) Select 'Preferences'
3) Click the Account tab and then the 'Unlink' button

 So where is this menu bar/icon he's talking about? I know exactly what he's 
talking about regarding Windows, but not for Mac. 
If I open dropbox in the applications window it says 'dropbox has no windows' 
and every time I try to get to preferences it says 'finder preferences'. 
Thanks. 
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Having Trouble With Dropbox

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi all. I want to send a link to a file I created to the list. It's a tutorial. 
However I can't seem to figure out how to share a link to retrieve it in 
dropbox. It is in the dropbox public folder, but I see no option to copy a 
link. So how does one do this task with Dropbox? Any help would be appreciated.

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Still Having VoiceOver Dropouts

[Austin Seraphin]

Hi everyone. I just upgraded to 10.10.2. I also notice better performance, and 
it behaves like the most recent beta as stated. Very good!

I still have annoying VoiceOver audio dropouts however. This started when I 
upgraded to Yosemite. Last weekend I wiped my drive and installed 10.10.1 then 
upgraded to the latest beta at the time. I still had the audio issues on a 
completely fresh system. I migrated everything over and continued. At least the 
sluggishness has gone away. I just wish I could fix these dropouts. I have a 
mid 2010 iMac.

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App store having issues?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Hello.

Is anyone noticing that effective 6:43 eastern US time, the mac OSX ap store 
isn't loading?  I bring the app store up from the Apple menu, but the html area 
doesn't load.  I tried also performing an app search from the toolbar, but 
that's not working either.

Yes, the mac is definitely online, and yes, I did try deleting the PList file 
associated with the app store, as sometimes that helps, but not in this case.  
I've rebooted my router, which did no good, and I've also rebooted the mac 
which did no good.  The only thing I've not yet tried, which I'm about to is to 
power cycle my modem.

Anyway, is anyone else who may be up early experiencing this?

Chris.

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Re: Having trouble selecting text

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, Shannon,

Command-shift-up-and-down-arrows select to the beginning and end of text. If 
you want to select line by line, use shift-up-and-down-arrows instead. When 
selecting files in a list, turn off cursor tracking with shift-VO-f3, navigate 
to each file with VO-arrows, and use VO-command-space to select them. Turn on 
cursor tracking again, once you've copied the files.

HTH,
Teresa
On Jun 29, 2011, at 7:45 AM, Shannon Dyer wrote:

> Hi, all.
> 
> I have a feeling I'm missing something really simple, because I'm guessing 
> this really shouldn't be that hard.
> 
> I use command shift and the up or down arrows to select text, but it doesn't 
> seem to work. If I'm in a list of files, and I want to select two or three of 
> them, it somehow selects them all. If I'm on a website, it selects the first 
> few lines, but then, VO stops speaking.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Shannon
> Are you a fan of women's music? If so, join me each Thursday from noon until 
> three for the Eclectic Collection: a Celebration of Women In Music. Point 
> your media player to:
> http://mojoradio.us/listen
> or
> www.mintfm.net
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Re: Having trouble selecting text

[Shannon Dyer]

Thank you so much. This is much appreciated. Should VO speak the lines I'm 
selecting?

Shannon
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> Hi, Shannon,
> 
> Command-shift-up-and-down-arrows select to the beginning and end of text. If 
> you want to select line by line, use shift-up-and-down-arrows instead. When 
> selecting files in a list, turn off cursor tracking with shift-VO-f3, 
> navigate to each file with VO-arrows, and use VO-command-space to select 
> them. Turn on cursor tracking again, once you've copied the files.
> 
> HTH,
> Teresa
> On Jun 29, 2011, at 7:45 AM, Shannon Dyer wrote:
> 
>> Hi, all.
>> 
>> I have a feeling I'm missing something really simple, because I'm guessing 
>> this really shouldn't be that hard.
>> 
>> I use command shift and the up or down arrows to select text, but it doesn't 
>> seem to work. If I'm in a list of files, and I want to select two or three 
>> of them, it somehow selects them all. If I'm on a website, it selects the 
>> first few lines, but then, VO stops speaking.
>> 
>> Any thoughts?
>> 
>> Shannon
>> Are you a fan of women's music? If so, join me each Thursday from noon until 
>> three for the Eclectic Collection: a Celebration of Women In Music. Point 
>> your media player to:
>> http://mojoradio.us/listen
>> or
>> www.mintfm.net
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still having difficulties with dates

[Christina]

I apologize for writing again about this issue.  Is I am very frustrated trying 
to enter dates into address book for birth dates and anniversaries.  

Is this not really accessible, or do I have a voiceover setting set up in a way 
that is causing so much distress?

I'll try to explain the issues.  I can interact with the date field.  I seem to 
be able to vo left and right arrow between month/day/year.  Then I have tried 
typing in the info or using vo plus up and down arrows.  Typing does not seem 
to work as according to a sighted person there is a text cursor that is not 
moving with the vo cursor.  I do have vo set up so that it should be following 
the vo cursor but it won't follow.  I can move that cursor without using the vo 
keys and using just the right and left arrows.  However, there is no audio 
feedback  at all and I do not know where it is but if I type where that cursor 
is then it will type in that spot.  So, if I use vo plus up and down arrows to 
change the month/day/year then it will move it up once and announce December no 
matter what month is actually entered then the next time I use vo plus up arrow 
vo completely jumps out of the date field.  It is incredibly frustrating.

Is address book actually not accessible and should I use something else?  Or am 
i just not aware of the proper way to get this to work?  I also forgot to 
mention that I often have the need to alt plus tab to another program then alt 
plus shift tab back to address book to get vo to interact properly for a short 
bit with the date field.

Thanks so much for any help or advice and I apologize for the lengthy e-mail.

Christina

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Re: still having those problems

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   Brandon, I posted you privately.  Did you not receive it?…

My apologies to the list for the public note.

   Brandon, write me privately if you would?…

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Hey all. my gf chantel is still having issues recieving e-mails from
this list. she's on the macvoice over list. is there a way that she
can be on this list. she's already on the list but is not recieving e-
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Re: Still having dropbox issues

[Dan Eickmeier]

Hi, This menu bar icon that he's referring  to, is on the status  menu where 
you have your wifi status, the clock, your bluetooth status, etc.  A lot of 
apps will  put status icons up there.  Unfortunately, we do not have access to 
those which are  put there by third-party developers with VoiceOver.  We sort 
of had access in previous versions of Mac OS X, but even that, wasn't proper 
keyboard access like we should have.  We had to route the mouse, to the 
VoiceOver cursor, and then use the  physical mouse, or the trackpad, constantly 
checking where the mouse was with the VO keystroke to do that.  With the 
release of Lion, that access that we did have, via that workaround, 
unfortunately has broke.  For some reason, from what i've heard, developers 
can't even expose their menu bar icons  to VoiceOver, so that we can  have 
access to them,  , as that is an API which Apple does not make available to 
developers.  Why they never did make it available in the first place, , is 
beyond me.  As I have done, I'd encourage you to write to Apple accessibility, 
to let them know about this issue.  If we could have access to these 
third-party menu bar icons, that would take away barriers that we currently 
have, with the lack of access that we have to them now.   .   
On Nov 24, 2011, at 12:03 PM, Kirsten Edmondson wrote:

> Hi, I'm still not having any luck with dropbox. 
> I got a response from the tech guys at dropbox.com and he said I should try 
> unlinking and re-linking my dropbox so that hopefully I would then get access 
> to all my files-as it is currently empty and I know it's quite full in 
> reality. 
> He said to go 
> 1) Right click the Dropbox icon in the system tray at the bottom right of 
> your screen, by the clock on Windows or menu bar at the top of your screen on 
> Mac.
> 2) Select 'Preferences'
> 3) Click the Account tab and then the 'Unlink' button
> 
>  So where is this menu bar/icon he's talking about? I know exactly what he's 
> talking about regarding Windows, but not for Mac. 
> If I open dropbox in the applications window it says 'dropbox has no windows' 
> and every time I try to get to preferences it says 'finder preferences'. 
> Thanks. 
> Kirsten. 
> 
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still having issues downloading mavericks.

[Jessica Moss]

I've been trying for about 3 days now to download mavericks, only for it to not 
complete, have called and even after contacting someone from Apple, who did a 
screenshot with me over the phone, it seemed to be downloading, but it's not 
coming up on the launchpad yet, so I can't tell whether or not it's doing 
anything.  Has anyone had this issue?

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reading mail. having a problem

[Jed Barton]

Hey guys,
Trying to figure out my issue of readingemail. Before, i use to be able to do 
vo left and right arrow, and it would   flip between between who the message 
was from, the subject, etc.
Now itseemsto begging between messages when i do this.  Someone had mentioned 
something about the mail preview, but i can' find that, any ideas where it 
would be?

Thanks,
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Iphone 6+ having bluetooth issues

[NCBM Moses Choo]

Dear all, 
 
Anyone out there having bluetooth issues? 
 
I use the following bluetooth earphones. 
 
The  Jabra Boost and the Voyager Edge from Pentronics 
 
The pairing has no issue at all. In fact, it pairs rather quickly. However,
the issues are:
 
1.During a call, the earphone can automatically get disconnected. 
 
2.   at times, the phone is connected (assistance from sighted person)
however, no sound comes from either the speaker nor the earphone. 
 
3.There are times  that voiceover will breakup. 
 
Tried turning on and off the phone, 
Tried removing  and repairing,
tried  resetting all network settings, 
tried  turning on and off airplainmode,
 
I did not experience all these with earlier IOS versions. 
 
 
Would appreciate some info from members here. 
 
Thanks in advance 
 
Moses Choo. 
Malaysia 
 
 
 

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Re: Having Trouble With Dropbox

[Ray Foret Jr]

Easy peasy.  Just do the following.

1.  Forget the public folder.  That's not the way to do it anymore.  You want 
to put the file in the main Drop Box folder.

2.  Now, open the short cut menu after focusing on the file.

3.  Now, from that menu, choose "share file".  What will occur then is that 
Drop box will create a link to a page from which the person can click and 
download the file.  This link is placed by Drop box on your clip board you 
don't need to do anything beyond that. 

4.  Now, in a new and regular e-mail message, just press Cmd+v to paste this 
link in to the body of the message.  IF you wish, you can take the step of 
making a tinyurl out of the original link.


Sincerely,
the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus!

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> Hi all. I want to send a link to a file I created to the list. It's a 
> tutorial. However I can't seem to figure out how to share a link to retrieve 
> it in dropbox. It is in the dropbox public folder, but I see no option to 
> copy a link. So how does one do this task with Dropbox? Any help would be 
> appreciated.
> 
> Shawn
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Re: Having Trouble With Dropbox

[Shawn Krasniuk]

When you say "shortcut menu", do you mean VO+Shift+M? When I do that, all I see 
under the share menu is mail message airdrop and more. Nothing about copying 
links.

Sent from my iPhone

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> 
> Easy peasy.  Just do the following.
> 
> 1.  Forget the public folder.  That's not the way to do it anymore.  You want 
> to put the file in the main Drop Box folder.
> 
> 2.  Now, open the short cut menu after focusing on the file.
> 
> 3.  Now, from that menu, choose "share file".  What will occur then is that 
> Drop box will create a link to a page from which the person can click and 
> download the file.  This link is placed by Drop box on your clip board you 
> don't need to do anything beyond that. 
> 
> 4.  Now, in a new and regular e-mail message, just press Cmd+v to paste this 
> link in to the body of the message.  IF you wish, you can take the step of 
> making a tinyurl out of the original link.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus!
> 
>> On Oct 2, 2014, at 9:18 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all. I want to send a link to a file I created to the list. It's a 
>> tutorial. However I can't seem to figure out how to share a link to retrieve 
>> it in dropbox. It is in the dropbox public folder, but I see no option to 
>> copy a link. So how does one do this task with Dropbox? Any help would be 
>> appreciated.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
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Re: Having Trouble With Dropbox

[The Believer]

   "share file" should be "share filename" where filename is the file 
you are focused on.


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 . . . what if it were true?
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On 10/2/2014 9:17 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:

When you say "shortcut menu", do you mean VO+Shift+M? When I do that, all I see 
under the share menu is mail message airdrop and more. Nothing about copying links.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 2, 2014, at 9:45 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

Easy peasy.  Just do the following.

1.  Forget the public folder.  That's not the way to do it anymore.  You want 
to put the file in the main Drop Box folder.

2.  Now, open the short cut menu after focusing on the file.

3.  Now, from that menu, choose "share file".  What will occur then is that 
Drop box will create a link to a page from which the person can click and download the 
file.  This link is placed by Drop box on your clip board you don't need to do anything 
beyond that.

4.  Now, in a new and regular e-mail message, just press Cmd+v to paste this 
link in to the body of the message.  IF you wish, you can take the step of 
making a tinyurl out of the original link.


Sincerely,
the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus!


On Oct 2, 2014, at 9:18 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:

Hi all. I want to send a link to a file I created to the list. It's a tutorial. 
However I can't seem to figure out how to share a link to retrieve it in 
dropbox. It is in the dropbox public folder, but I see no option to copy a 
link. So how does one do this task with Dropbox? Any help would be appreciated.

Shawn
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still having trouble with mail

[becky sabo]

Hi all,
I have cleaned out my mail folder on my mack but when I close out the mail 
folder all those messages I have deleted are still there.  What am I doing 
wrong , an also there are still a lot of the same messages that I have deleted 
on my mack are also on my phone.  It is frustrating me.
Any help would be great .
Thanks again 
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Re: Still Having VoiceOver Dropouts

[Alex Hall]

Are these dropouts happening with any other audio as well? That is, is it only 
voiceover speech, or is it also music Or movies?
> On Jan 29, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Austin Seraphin  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone. I just upgraded to 10.10.2. I also notice better performance, 
> and it behaves like the most recent beta as stated. Very good!
> 
> I still have annoying VoiceOver audio dropouts however. This started when I 
> upgraded to Yosemite. Last weekend I wiped my drive and installed 10.10.1 
> then upgraded to the latest beta at the time. I still had the audio issues on 
> a completely fresh system. I migrated everything over and continued. At least 
> the sluggishness has gone away. I just wish I could fix these dropouts. I 
> have a mid 2010 iMac.
> 
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Re: Still Having VoiceOver Dropouts

[Austin Seraphin]

Only Voiceover. Interesting question.

 - Austin

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> On Jan 30, 2015, at 5:11 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Are these dropouts happening with any other audio as well? That is, is it 
> only voiceover speech, or is it also music Or movies?
>> On Jan 29, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Austin Seraphin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone. I just upgraded to 10.10.2. I also notice better performance, 
>> and it behaves like the most recent beta as stated. Very good!
>> 
>> I still have annoying VoiceOver audio dropouts however. This started when I 
>> upgraded to Yosemite. Last weekend I wiped my drive and installed 10.10.1 
>> then upgraded to the latest beta at the time. I still had the audio issues 
>> on a completely fresh system. I migrated everything over and continued. At 
>> least the sluggishness has gone away. I just wish I could fix these 
>> dropouts. I have a mid 2010 iMac.
>> 
>>  - Austin
>> 
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>> 
>> 
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Re: Still Having VoiceOver Dropouts

[Mary Otten]

I am also having voiceover dropouts on my Mac running 10.10.2. When I first 
upgraded to Yosemite, I did not have these problems.
Then, my drive had a problem, for which it had to go back and get reformatted 
and have the whole system reinstalled. I am running a fusion Drive, and the 
technician said that the initial set up of my fusion drive by the factory had 
been wrong. But I never had any problems until the whole thing died.
Now, since I got the Mac back, with the newly installed system, I have the 
problem. And it persisted after the upgrade. Also, I notice I am hearing the 
hard drive a lot more. With the old "wrong" set up, I almost never heard the 
hard drive. I assumed that was because I have the SSD part of the fusion thing. 
I am disgusted with Apple. And I am disgusted with how this whole thing is 
going. It worked great when it was set up wrong, That is, until it just died. 
Now, the dropouts make using my mac not very much fun at all.
Mary


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> On Feb 2, 2015, at 1:16 PM, Austin Seraphin  
> wrote:
> 
> Only Voiceover. Interesting question.
> 
>  - Austin
> 
> Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain! http://behindthecurtain.us
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 30, 2015, at 5:11 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> Are these dropouts happening with any other audio as well? That is, is it 
>> only voiceover speech, or is it also music Or movies?
>>> On Jan 29, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Austin Seraphin  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone. I just upgraded to 10.10.2. I also notice better performance, 
>>> and it behaves like the most recent beta as stated. Very good!
>>> 
>>> I still have annoying VoiceOver audio dropouts however. This started when I 
>>> upgraded to Yosemite. Last weekend I wiped my drive and installed 10.10.1 
>>> then upgraded to the latest beta at the time. I still had the audio issues 
>>> on a completely fresh system. I migrated everything over and continued. At 
>>> least the sluggishness has gone away. I just wish I could fix these 
>>> dropouts. I have a mid 2010 iMac.
>>> 
>>>  - Austin
>>> 
>>> Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain! http://behindthecurtain.us
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Still Having VoiceOver Dropouts

[Faisal ali]

This is quite strange as I’m not having any of these issues. My mac is running 
great, and lag is not a huge factor anymore.
> On Feb 2, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I am also having voiceover dropouts on my Mac running 10.10.2. When I first 
> upgraded to Yosemite, I did not have these problems.
> Then, my drive had a problem, for which it had to go back and get reformatted 
> and have the whole system reinstalled. I am running a fusion Drive, and the 
> technician said that the initial set up of my fusion drive by the factory had 
> been wrong. But I never had any problems until the whole thing died.
> Now, since I got the Mac back, with the newly installed system, I have the 
> problem. And it persisted after the upgrade. Also, I notice I am hearing the 
> hard drive a lot more. With the old "wrong" set up, I almost never heard the 
> hard drive. I assumed that was because I have the SSD part of the fusion 
> thing. I am disgusted with Apple. And I am disgusted with how this whole 
> thing is going. It worked great when it was set up wrong, That is, until it 
> just died. Now, the dropouts make using my mac not very much fun at all.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 2, 2015, at 1:16 PM, Austin Seraphin  <mailto:aus...@behindthecurtain.us>> wrote:
> 
>> Only Voiceover. Interesting question.
>> 
>>  - Austin
>> 
>> Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain! http://behindthecurtain.us 
>> <http://behindthecurtain.us/>
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 30, 2015, at 5:11 PM, Alex Hall >> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are these dropouts happening with any other audio as well? That is, is it 
>>> only voiceover speech, or is it also music Or movies?
>>>> On Jan 29, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Austin Seraphin >>> <mailto:aus...@behindthecurtain.us>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi everyone. I just upgraded to 10.10.2. I also notice better performance, 
>>>> and it behaves like the most recent beta as stated. Very good!
>>>> 
>>>> I still have annoying VoiceOver audio dropouts however. This started when 
>>>> I upgraded to Yosemite. Last weekend I wiped my drive and installed 
>>>> 10.10.1 then upgraded to the latest beta at the time. I still had the 
>>>> audio issues on a completely fresh system. I migrated everything over and 
>>>> continued. At least the sluggishness has gone away. I just wish I could 
>>>> fix these dropouts. I have a mid 2010 iMac.
>>>> 
>>>>  - Austin
>>>> 
>>>> Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain! 
>>>> http://behindthecurtain.us <http://behindthecurtain.us/>
>>>> 
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Re: Still Having VoiceOver Dropouts

[Austin Seraphin]

I feel the same way, I can’t use my Mac like this. I have a standard drive 
however. Now you have me curious. As i said I wiped everything and started from 
scratch, and the problem happened immediately after a clean install. Let’s keep 
digging, I need to find a solution. Either that or scrap everything and go back 
to Mavericks and restore everything manually, which does NOT sound fun.

 - Austin

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> On Feb 2, 2015, at 4:23 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I am also having voiceover dropouts on my Mac running 10.10.2. When I first 
> upgraded to Yosemite, I did not have these problems.
> Then, my drive had a problem, for which it had to go back and get reformatted 
> and have the whole system reinstalled. I am running a fusion Drive, and the 
> technician said that the initial set up of my fusion drive by the factory had 
> been wrong. But I never had any problems until the whole thing died.
> Now, since I got the Mac back, with the newly installed system, I have the 
> problem. And it persisted after the upgrade. Also, I notice I am hearing the 
> hard drive a lot more. With the old "wrong" set up, I almost never heard the 
> hard drive. I assumed that was because I have the SSD part of the fusion 
> thing. I am disgusted with Apple. And I am disgusted with how this whole 
> thing is going. It worked great when it was set up wrong, That is, until it 
> just died. Now, the dropouts make using my mac not very much fun at all.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 2, 2015, at 1:16 PM, Austin Seraphin  <mailto:aus...@behindthecurtain.us>> wrote:
> 
>> Only Voiceover. Interesting question.
>> 
>>  - Austin
>> 
>> Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain! http://behindthecurtain.us 
>> <http://behindthecurtain.us/>
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 30, 2015, at 5:11 PM, Alex Hall >> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are these dropouts happening with any other audio as well? That is, is it 
>>> only voiceover speech, or is it also music Or movies?
>>>> On Jan 29, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Austin Seraphin >>> <mailto:aus...@behindthecurtain.us>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi everyone. I just upgraded to 10.10.2. I also notice better performance, 
>>>> and it behaves like the most recent beta as stated. Very good!
>>>> 
>>>> I still have annoying VoiceOver audio dropouts however. This started when 
>>>> I upgraded to Yosemite. Last weekend I wiped my drive and installed 
>>>> 10.10.1 then upgraded to the latest beta at the time. I still had the 
>>>> audio issues on a completely fresh system. I migrated everything over and 
>>>> continued. At least the sluggishness has gone away. I just wish I could 
>>>> fix these dropouts. I have a mid 2010 iMac.
>>>> 
>>>>  - Austin
>>>> 
>>>> Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain! 
>>>> http://behindthecurtain.us <http://behindthecurtain.us/>
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: App store having issues?

[Raymond Foret Jr]

Here’s what I’m noticing.  ON the features and top charts tabs, the HTML seems 
not to load at all.  On the catigories, purchases and updates tabs, however, it 
seems to load after a short delay.

HTH.


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
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> On Mar 7, 2016, at 5:46 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello.
>  
> Is anyone noticing that effective 6:43 eastern US time, the mac OSX ap store 
> isn't loading?  I bring the app store up from the Apple menu, but the html 
> area doesn't load.  I tried also performing an app search from the toolbar, 
> but that's not working either.
>  
> Yes, the mac is definitely online, and yes, I did try deleting the PList file 
> associated with the app store, as sometimes that helps, but not in this case. 
>  I've rebooted my router, which did no good, and I've also rebooted the mac 
> which did no good.  The only thing I've not yet tried, which I'm about to is 
> to power cycle my modem.
>  
> Anyway, is anyone else who may be up early experiencing this?
>  
> Chris.
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Re: App store having issues?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Try searching for something, and tell me what happens.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Raymond Foret Jr 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 6:49 AM
  Subject: Re: App store having issues?


  Here’s what I’m noticing.  ON the features and top charts tabs, the HTML 
seems not to load at all.  On the catigories, purchases and updates tabs, 
however, it seems to load after a short delay.


  HTH.




  Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

  Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
  Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user! 


On Mar 7, 2016, at 5:46 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
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Hello.

Is anyone noticing that effective 6:43 eastern US time, the mac OSX ap 
store isn't loading?  I bring the app store up from the Apple menu, but the 
html area doesn't load.  I tried also performing an app search from the 
toolbar, but that's not working either.

Yes, the mac is definitely online, and yes, I did try deleting the PList 
file associated with the app store, as sometimes that helps, but not in this 
case.  I've rebooted my router, which did no good, and I've also rebooted the 
mac which did no good.  The only thing I've not yet tried, which I'm about to 
is to power cycle my modem.

Anyway, is anyone else who may be up early experiencing this?

Chris.


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Re: App store having issues?

[Raymond Foret Jr]

The search results opened up just fine.


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

> On Mar 7, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Try searching for something, and tell me what happens.
>  
> Chris.
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Raymond Foret Jr <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 6:49 AM
>> Subject: Re: App store having issues?
>> 
>> Here’s what I’m noticing.  ON the features and top charts tabs, the HTML 
>> seems not to load at all.  On the catigories, purchases and updates tabs, 
>> however, it seems to load after a short delay.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user! 
>> 
>>> On Mar 7, 2016, at 5:46 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland >> <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello.
>>>  
>>> Is anyone noticing that effective 6:43 eastern US time, the mac OSX ap 
>>> store isn't loading?  I bring the app store up from the Apple menu, but the 
>>> html area doesn't load.  I tried also performing an app search from the 
>>> toolbar, but that's not working either.
>>>  
>>> Yes, the mac is definitely online, and yes, I did try deleting the PList 
>>> file associated with the app store, as sometimes that helps, but not in 
>>> this case.  I've rebooted my router, which did no good, and I've also 
>>> rebooted the mac which did no good.  The only thing I've not yet tried, 
>>> which I'm about to is to power cycle my modem.
>>>  
>>> Anyway, is anyone else who may be up early experiencing this?
>>>  
>>> Chris.
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Re: App store having issues?

[E.T.]

   What happens if you command tab to another app then back to the app 
store? This seems to be an El Cap thing.


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On 3/7/2016 3:46 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Hello.
Is anyone noticing that effective 6:43 eastern US time, the mac OSX ap
store isn't loading?  I bring the app store up from the Apple menu, but
the html area doesn't load.  I tried also performing an app search from
the toolbar, but that's not working either.
Yes, the mac is definitely online, and yes, I did try deleting the PList
file associated with the app store, as sometimes that helps, but not in
this case.  I've rebooted my router, which did no good, and I've also
rebooted the mac which did no good.  The only thing I've not yet tried,
which I'm about to is to power cycle my modem.
Anyway, is anyone else who may be up early experiencing this?
Chris.

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Re: App store having issues?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

It's possible that they've now got it working.

I'll try again.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Raymond Foret Jr 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 9:11 AM
  Subject: Re: App store having issues?


  The search results opened up just fine.




  Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

  Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
  Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user! 


On Mar 7, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Try searching for something, and tell me what happens.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Raymond Foret Jr
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 6:49 AM
  Subject: Re: App store having issues?


  Here’s what I’m noticing.  ON the features and top charts tabs, the HTML 
seems not to load at all.  On the catigories, purchases and updates tabs, 
however, it seems to load after a short delay.


  HTH.




  Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

  Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
  Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user! 


On Mar 7, 2016, at 5:46 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Hello.

Is anyone noticing that effective 6:43 eastern US time, the mac OSX ap 
store isn't loading?  I bring the app store up from the Apple menu, but the 
html area doesn't load.  I tried also performing an app search from the 
toolbar, but that's not working either.

Yes, the mac is definitely online, and yes, I did try deleting the 
PList file associated with the app store, as sometimes that helps, but not in 
this case.  I've rebooted my router, which did no good, and I've also rebooted 
the mac which did no good.  The only thing I've not yet tried, which I'm about 
to is to power cycle my modem.

Anyway, is anyone else who may be up early experiencing this?

Chris.


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Re: App store having issues?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Actually, that's not helping.  It's not a matter of the app not getting 
focus, it's a matter of the html area not loading with its content.  I just 
tried again, and I still can't get the main page to load which comes up by 
default when the app is launched.  I presume this is the featured tab.  This 
said, search results are working correctly unlike before, so, yeah... who 
knows.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "E.T." 

To: 
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: App store having issues?


   What happens if you command tab to another app then back to the app 
store? This seems to be an El Cap thing.


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On 3/7/2016 3:46 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Hello.
Is anyone noticing that effective 6:43 eastern US time, the mac OSX ap
store isn't loading?  I bring the app store up from the Apple menu, but
the html area doesn't load.  I tried also performing an app search from
the toolbar, but that's not working either.
Yes, the mac is definitely online, and yes, I did try deleting the PList
file associated with the app store, as sometimes that helps, but not in
this case.  I've rebooted my router, which did no good, and I've also
rebooted the mac which did no good.  The only thing I've not yet tried,
which I'm about to is to power cycle my modem.
Anyway, is anyone else who may be up early experiencing this?
Chris.

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Re: App store having issues?

[E.T.]

   That is exactly what happens and the command-tab trick resolves 
that. For me anyway. No other issues after that.


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On 3/7/2016 9:37 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Actually, that's not helping.  It's not a matter of the app not getting
focus, it's a matter of the html area not loading with its content.  I
just tried again, and I still can't get the main page to load which
comes up by default when the app is launched.  I presume this is the
featured tab.  This said, search results are working correctly unlike
before, so, yeah... who knows.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "E.T." 
To: 
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: App store having issues?



   What happens if you command tab to another app then back to the app
store? This seems to be an El Cap thing.

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On 3/7/2016 3:46 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Hello.
Is anyone noticing that effective 6:43 eastern US time, the mac OSX ap
store isn't loading?  I bring the app store up from the Apple menu, but
the html area doesn't load.  I tried also performing an app search from
the toolbar, but that's not working either.
Yes, the mac is definitely online, and yes, I did try deleting the PList
file associated with the app store, as sometimes that helps, but not in
this case.  I've rebooted my router, which did no good, and I've also
rebooted the mac which did no good.  The only thing I've not yet tried,
which I'm about to is to power cycle my modem.
Anyway, is anyone else who may be up early experiencing this?
Chris.

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still having trouble with doc

[Raymond Foret Jr]

No matter what I try, I can’t get control+F3 to open the doc.  I’ve got my 
keyboard set to use normal function keys but the normal Apple command of 
control+F3 will not work.  quick nav is off.  Any suggestions?


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having issues with time and voiceover

[DJ Nezumi]

hi to all
i was wondering if anyone could help.
a few months back the clocks went forward in the UK but i am unable to
change the time on my mac.
when i correct the time and click save voiceover freezes for several
minutes and eventualy works again. i'm not sure how exactly i get it
to work but i do the usual things, e.g. command f5.
whenever i restart my computer or turn it off for any reason the time
resets to being an hour ahead. this keeps occuring.
does anyone have any idea how i can stop this from happening?
thanks
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having problems with mack: hi marlaina,

[Chenelle Hancock]

if you want to use Skype on your mb air you can go to Skype.com  and download 
Skype for the mack and you should be good to g after that. In stead of having 
to jump from one computer to another just to use Skype. i hope this helps you 
marlana.
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Re: still having difficulties with dates

[Slau Halatyn]

Hi Christina,

OK, I misunderstood your question and assumed that, when you were speaking of 
birthday fields, you were speaking about iCal. I now understand that you're 
referring to Address Book instead.

OK, this is a complicated explanation. I'll try to make it as clear as I can. 
Sit back and enjoy the bumpy ride…

Address Book definitely has a bug in that VoiceOver often doesn't echo typing 
and deletion of characters within a field. One has to type without feedback and 
move away and back to double check the input.

When editing a birthday field, first, make sure you're actually editing the 
card rather than browsing the contact's scroll area and simply interacting with 
the card's information. Again, I must stress the difference. Command'l is the 
shortcut for editing a card.

Now, assuming you've already added the birthday field, navigate to the field 
and interact with it. Make a mental note of the month. If I'm not mistaken, by 
default, the active field will be the month and the date will say December 31, 
2000. In this case, use only your up or down arrow key to change the value. The 
up arrow will move the month forward like from december to January and the down 
arrow will move it back like from December to November, for example. Now, 
remember, you probably won't get any feedback. You'll probably hear the year 
but don't assume that the active keyboard focus is on the year field. 

When you've changed the month to what you think is correct, use only the right 
arrow key to go to the day field and then use only the up or down key to set 
the day. Repeat this for the year as well. Alternatively, you can try simply 
typing the value and not use the arrow keys. Sometimes that seems to work well 
but you might find yourself typing the wrong thing in the wrong field.

To check your entry, don't stop interacting or that will throw you out of the 
scroll area. Instead, simply use Control-Option-left arrow to move left and 
then use Control-Option-right arrow to read the date field.

Now, an important thing to remember is that, once you've interacted with the 
date field and have changed values and subsequently used VO-left arrow to move 
away and back to check the date, when you once again interact, you'll be on the 
last field you edited and not necessarily the month field like you were in when 
you first interacted at the outset. Does that make sense?

In other words, you interacted the first time and the focus was on the month. 
You used the arrow keys to set the month, the right arrow key to move to day, 
the up and down arrows (or just typing) to set the day, right arrow to move to 
the year and set the year with what ever method you chose. Then you pressed 
VO-left arrow to move away and then VO-right arrow to move back. Let's say you 
needed to adjust the day field. When you again interact with the date field 
you'll be on the year because that's where you were the last time you 
interacted and that's where the keyboard focus is. So you now have to use the 
left arrow key to move back to the day field. Hopefully that explains the 
initial concept.

Now, if you use other keys to navigate, like Tab, all bets are off on its 
behavior. I'd assume that if you actually tabbed to an edit field, VoiceOver's 
keyboard focus would leave the date field and upon tabbing back to it, the 
month would be the first focused field. Anyway, that's an assumption, I already 
stated.

So, long story, it's not really easily accessible and it sounds complicated 
but, once you're used to the process, it's certainly doable.

Hopefully that helps.

Slau
as 
On Mar 18, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Christina wrote:

> I apologize for writing again about this issue.  Is I am very frustrated 
> trying to enter dates into address book for birth dates and anniversaries.  
> 
> Is this not really accessible, or do I have a voiceover setting set up in a 
> way that is causing so much distress?
> 
> I'll try to explain the issues.  I can interact with the date field.  I seem 
> to be able to vo left and right arrow between month/day/year.  Then I have 
> tried typing in the info or using vo plus up and down arrows.  Typing does 
> not seem to work as according to a sighted person there is a text cursor that 
> is not moving with the vo cursor.  I do have vo set up so that it should be 
> following the vo cursor but it won't follow.  I can move that cursor without 
> using the vo keys and using just the right and left arrows.  However, there 
> is no audio feedback  at all and I do not know where it is but if I type 
> where that cursor is then it will type in that spot.  So, if I use vo plus up 
> and down arrows to change the month/day/year then it will move it up once and 
> announce December no matter what month is actually entered then the next time 
> I use vo plus up arrow vo completely jumps out of the date field.  It is 
> incredibly frustrating.
> 
> Is address book actually not accessible and should I use something else?  Or 
>

Re: still having difficulties with dates

[Christina]

Thanks so very much.  That is a lot of work.  :)  VO keeps pushing me out of 
the date field while I'm using the vo plus up or down arrows to change the 
values.  I appreciate your explanation and I'm relieved to know I don't seem to 
be doing anything "wrong".  It's just a lot of work.  I will play with it more 
after absorbing the info you just sent me in this e-mail.  I have not tried 
tab.  H.

Christina
On Mar 18, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote:

> Hi Christina,
> 
> OK, I misunderstood your question and assumed that, when you were speaking of 
> birthday fields, you were speaking about iCal. I now understand that you're 
> referring to Address Book instead.
> 
> OK, this is a complicated explanation. I'll try to make it as clear as I can. 
> Sit back and enjoy the bumpy ride…
> 
> Address Book definitely has a bug in that VoiceOver often doesn't echo typing 
> and deletion of characters within a field. One has to type without feedback 
> and move away and back to double check the input.
> 
> When editing a birthday field, first, make sure you're actually editing the 
> card rather than browsing the contact's scroll area and simply interacting 
> with the card's information. Again, I must stress the difference. Command'l 
> is the shortcut for editing a card.
> 
> Now, assuming you've already added the birthday field, navigate to the field 
> and interact with it. Make a mental note of the month. If I'm not mistaken, 
> by default, the active field will be the month and the date will say December 
> 31, 2000. In this case, use only your up or down arrow key to change the 
> value. The up arrow will move the month forward like from december to January 
> and the down arrow will move it back like from December to November, for 
> example. Now, remember, you probably won't get any feedback. You'll probably 
> hear the year but don't assume that the active keyboard focus is on the year 
> field. 
> 
> When you've changed the month to what you think is correct, use only the 
> right arrow key to go to the day field and then use only the up or down key 
> to set the day. Repeat this for the year as well. Alternatively, you can try 
> simply typing the value and not use the arrow keys. Sometimes that seems to 
> work well but you might find yourself typing the wrong thing in the wrong 
> field.
> 
> To check your entry, don't stop interacting or that will throw you out of the 
> scroll area. Instead, simply use Control-Option-left arrow to move left and 
> then use Control-Option-right arrow to read the date field.
> 
> Now, an important thing to remember is that, once you've interacted with the 
> date field and have changed values and subsequently used VO-left arrow to 
> move away and back to check the date, when you once again interact, you'll be 
> on the last field you edited and not necessarily the month field like you 
> were in when you first interacted at the outset. Does that make sense?
> 
> In other words, you interacted the first time and the focus was on the month. 
> You used the arrow keys to set the month, the right arrow key to move to day, 
> the up and down arrows (or just typing) to set the day, right arrow to move 
> to the year and set the year with what ever method you chose. Then you 
> pressed VO-left arrow to move away and then VO-right arrow to move back. 
> Let's say you needed to adjust the day field. When you again interact with 
> the date field you'll be on the year because that's where you were the last 
> time you interacted and that's where the keyboard focus is. So you now have 
> to use the left arrow key to move back to the day field. Hopefully that 
> explains the initial concept.
> 
> Now, if you use other keys to navigate, like Tab, all bets are off on its 
> behavior. I'd assume that if you actually tabbed to an edit field, 
> VoiceOver's keyboard focus would leave the date field and upon tabbing back 
> to it, the month would be the first focused field. Anyway, that's an 
> assumption, I already stated.
> 
> So, long story, it's not really easily accessible and it sounds complicated 
> but, once you're used to the process, it's certainly doable.
> 
> Hopefully that helps.
> 
> Slau
> as 
> On Mar 18, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Christina wrote:
> 
>> I apologize for writing again about this issue.  Is I am very frustrated 
>> trying to enter dates into address book for birth dates and anniversaries.  
>> 
>> Is this not really accessible, or do I have a voiceover setting set up in a 
>> way that is causing so much distress?
>> 
>> I'll try to explain the issues.  I can interact with the date field.  I seem 
>> to be able to vo left and right arrow between month/day/year.  Then I have 
>> tried typing in the info or using vo plus up and down arrows.  Typing does 
>> not seem to work as according to a sighted person there is a text cursor 
>> that is not moving with the vo cursor.  I do have vo set up so that it 
>> should be following the vo cursor but it won't fol

Re: still having difficulties with dates

[Slau Halatyn]

Christina,

Remember, in Address Book, don't use Control-Option-up or down arrow. That's 
only for iCal. Again, in Address Book, just use the up and down arrow keys by 
themselves once you've interacted. Follow the instructions carefully.

HTH

Slau

On Mar 18, 2010, at 5:55 PM, Christina wrote:

> Thanks so very much.  That is a lot of work.  :)  VO keeps pushing me out of 
> the date field while I'm using the vo plus up or down arrows to change the 
> values.  I appreciate your explanation and I'm relieved to know I don't seem 
> to be doing anything "wrong".  It's just a lot of work.  I will play with it 
> more after absorbing the info you just sent me in this e-mail.  I have not 
> tried tab.  H.
> 
> Christina
> On Mar 18, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote:
> 
>> Hi Christina,
>> 
>> OK, I misunderstood your question and assumed that, when you were speaking 
>> of birthday fields, you were speaking about iCal. I now understand that 
>> you're referring to Address Book instead.
>> 
>> OK, this is a complicated explanation. I'll try to make it as clear as I 
>> can. Sit back and enjoy the bumpy ride…
>> 
>> Address Book definitely has a bug in that VoiceOver often doesn't echo 
>> typing and deletion of characters within a field. One has to type without 
>> feedback and move away and back to double check the input.
>> 
>> When editing a birthday field, first, make sure you're actually editing the 
>> card rather than browsing the contact's scroll area and simply interacting 
>> with the card's information. Again, I must stress the difference. Command'l 
>> is the shortcut for editing a card.
>> 
>> Now, assuming you've already added the birthday field, navigate to the field 
>> and interact with it. Make a mental note of the month. If I'm not mistaken, 
>> by default, the active field will be the month and the date will say 
>> December 31, 2000. In this case, use only your up or down arrow key to 
>> change the value. The up arrow will move the month forward like from 
>> december to January and the down arrow will move it back like from December 
>> to November, for example. Now, remember, you probably won't get any 
>> feedback. You'll probably hear the year but don't assume that the active 
>> keyboard focus is on the year field. 
>> 
>> When you've changed the month to what you think is correct, use only the 
>> right arrow key to go to the day field and then use only the up or down key 
>> to set the day. Repeat this for the year as well. Alternatively, you can try 
>> simply typing the value and not use the arrow keys. Sometimes that seems to 
>> work well but you might find yourself typing the wrong thing in the wrong 
>> field.
>> 
>> To check your entry, don't stop interacting or that will throw you out of 
>> the scroll area. Instead, simply use Control-Option-left arrow to move left 
>> and then use Control-Option-right arrow to read the date field.
>> 
>> Now, an important thing to remember is that, once you've interacted with the 
>> date field and have changed values and subsequently used VO-left arrow to 
>> move away and back to check the date, when you once again interact, you'll 
>> be on the last field you edited and not necessarily the month field like you 
>> were in when you first interacted at the outset. Does that make sense?
>> 
>> In other words, you interacted the first time and the focus was on the 
>> month. You used the arrow keys to set the month, the right arrow key to move 
>> to day, the up and down arrows (or just typing) to set the day, right arrow 
>> to move to the year and set the year with what ever method you chose. Then 
>> you pressed VO-left arrow to move away and then VO-right arrow to move back. 
>> Let's say you needed to adjust the day field. When you again interact with 
>> the date field you'll be on the year because that's where you were the last 
>> time you interacted and that's where the keyboard focus is. So you now have 
>> to use the left arrow key to move back to the day field. Hopefully that 
>> explains the initial concept.
>> 
>> Now, if you use other keys to navigate, like Tab, all bets are off on its 
>> behavior. I'd assume that if you actually tabbed to an edit field, 
>> VoiceOver's keyboard focus would leave the date field and upon tabbing back 
>> to it, the month would be the first focused field. Anyway, that's an 
>> assumption, I already stated.
>> 
>> So, long story, it's not really easily accessible and it sounds complicated 
>> but, once you're used to the process, it's certainly doable.
>> 
>> Hopefully that helps.
>> 
>> Slau
>> as 
>> On Mar 18, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Christina wrote:
>> 
>>> I apologize for writing again about this issue.  Is I am very frustrated 
>>> trying to enter dates into address book for birth dates and anniversaries.  
>>> 
>>> Is this not really accessible, or do I have a voiceover setting set up in a 
>>> way that is causing so much distress?
>>> 
>>> I'll try to explain the issues.  I can intera

Re: still having difficulties with dates

[Christina]

Oh, I missed that.  Thanks.  I'll give it a shot.  :)
On Mar 18, 2010, at 3:05 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote:

> Christina,
> 
> Remember, in Address Book, don't use Control-Option-up or down arrow. That's 
> only for iCal. Again, in Address Book, just use the up and down arrow keys by 
> themselves once you've interacted. Follow the instructions carefully.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Slau
> 
> On Mar 18, 2010, at 5:55 PM, Christina wrote:
> 
>> Thanks so very much.  That is a lot of work.  :)  VO keeps pushing me out of 
>> the date field while I'm using the vo plus up or down arrows to change the 
>> values.  I appreciate your explanation and I'm relieved to know I don't seem 
>> to be doing anything "wrong".  It's just a lot of work.  I will play with it 
>> more after absorbing the info you just sent me in this e-mail.  I have not 
>> tried tab.  H.
>> 
>> Christina
>> On Mar 18, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Christina,
>>> 
>>> OK, I misunderstood your question and assumed that, when you were speaking 
>>> of birthday fields, you were speaking about iCal. I now understand that 
>>> you're referring to Address Book instead.
>>> 
>>> OK, this is a complicated explanation. I'll try to make it as clear as I 
>>> can. Sit back and enjoy the bumpy ride…
>>> 
>>> Address Book definitely has a bug in that VoiceOver often doesn't echo 
>>> typing and deletion of characters within a field. One has to type without 
>>> feedback and move away and back to double check the input.
>>> 
>>> When editing a birthday field, first, make sure you're actually editing the 
>>> card rather than browsing the contact's scroll area and simply interacting 
>>> with the card's information. Again, I must stress the difference. Command'l 
>>> is the shortcut for editing a card.
>>> 
>>> Now, assuming you've already added the birthday field, navigate to the 
>>> field and interact with it. Make a mental note of the month. If I'm not 
>>> mistaken, by default, the active field will be the month and the date will 
>>> say December 31, 2000. In this case, use only your up or down arrow key to 
>>> change the value. The up arrow will move the month forward like from 
>>> december to January and the down arrow will move it back like from December 
>>> to November, for example. Now, remember, you probably won't get any 
>>> feedback. You'll probably hear the year but don't assume that the active 
>>> keyboard focus is on the year field. 
>>> 
>>> When you've changed the month to what you think is correct, use only the 
>>> right arrow key to go to the day field and then use only the up or down key 
>>> to set the day. Repeat this for the year as well. Alternatively, you can 
>>> try simply typing the value and not use the arrow keys. Sometimes that 
>>> seems to work well but you might find yourself typing the wrong thing in 
>>> the wrong field.
>>> 
>>> To check your entry, don't stop interacting or that will throw you out of 
>>> the scroll area. Instead, simply use Control-Option-left arrow to move left 
>>> and then use Control-Option-right arrow to read the date field.
>>> 
>>> Now, an important thing to remember is that, once you've interacted with 
>>> the date field and have changed values and subsequently used VO-left arrow 
>>> to move away and back to check the date, when you once again interact, 
>>> you'll be on the last field you edited and not necessarily the month field 
>>> like you were in when you first interacted at the outset. Does that make 
>>> sense?
>>> 
>>> In other words, you interacted the first time and the focus was on the 
>>> month. You used the arrow keys to set the month, the right arrow key to 
>>> move to day, the up and down arrows (or just typing) to set the day, right 
>>> arrow to move to the year and set the year with what ever method you chose. 
>>> Then you pressed VO-left arrow to move away and then VO-right arrow to move 
>>> back. Let's say you needed to adjust the day field. When you again interact 
>>> with the date field you'll be on the year because that's where you were the 
>>> last time you interacted and that's where the keyboard focus is. So you now 
>>> have to use the left arrow key to move back to the day field. Hopefully 
>>> that explains the initial concept.
>>> 
>>> Now, if you use other keys to navigate, like Tab, all bets are off on its 
>>> behavior. I'd assume that if you actually tabbed to an edit field, 
>>> VoiceOver's keyboard focus would leave the date field and upon tabbing back 
>>> to it, the month would be the first focused field. Anyway, that's an 
>>> assumption, I already stated.
>>> 
>>> So, long story, it's not really easily accessible and it sounds complicated 
>>> but, once you're used to the process, it's certainly doable.
>>> 
>>> Hopefully that helps.
>>> 
>>> Slau
>>> as 
>>> On Mar 18, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Christina wrote:
>>> 
 I apologize for writing again about this issue.  Is I am very frustrated 
 trying to enter dates into address book for

Re: still having difficulties with dates

[Christina]

Thanks so much.  I got it to work now thanks to you.  If I don't use the vo 
keys, per your instructions, to change the date, then it works great.  While in 
the month field I get zero feedback but while in the day or year areas I do get 
feedback from voiceover.  That is much more workable then the way I was trying 
to do this before your help.  Thanks.  That makes life s much easier.

Christina
On Mar 18, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote:

> Hi Christina,
> 
> OK, I misunderstood your question and assumed that, when you were speaking of 
> birthday fields, you were speaking about iCal. I now understand that you're 
> referring to Address Book instead.
> 
> OK, this is a complicated explanation. I'll try to make it as clear as I can. 
> Sit back and enjoy the bumpy ride…
> 
> Address Book definitely has a bug in that VoiceOver often doesn't echo typing 
> and deletion of characters within a field. One has to type without feedback 
> and move away and back to double check the input.
> 
> When editing a birthday field, first, make sure you're actually editing the 
> card rather than browsing the contact's scroll area and simply interacting 
> with the card's information. Again, I must stress the difference. Command'l 
> is the shortcut for editing a card.
> 
> Now, assuming you've already added the birthday field, navigate to the field 
> and interact with it. Make a mental note of the month. If I'm not mistaken, 
> by default, the active field will be the month and the date will say December 
> 31, 2000. In this case, use only your up or down arrow key to change the 
> value. The up arrow will move the month forward like from december to January 
> and the down arrow will move it back like from December to November, for 
> example. Now, remember, you probably won't get any feedback. You'll probably 
> hear the year but don't assume that the active keyboard focus is on the year 
> field. 
> 
> When you've changed the month to what you think is correct, use only the 
> right arrow key to go to the day field and then use only the up or down key 
> to set the day. Repeat this for the year as well. Alternatively, you can try 
> simply typing the value and not use the arrow keys. Sometimes that seems to 
> work well but you might find yourself typing the wrong thing in the wrong 
> field.
> 
> To check your entry, don't stop interacting or that will throw you out of the 
> scroll area. Instead, simply use Control-Option-left arrow to move left and 
> then use Control-Option-right arrow to read the date field.
> 
> Now, an important thing to remember is that, once you've interacted with the 
> date field and have changed values and subsequently used VO-left arrow to 
> move away and back to check the date, when you once again interact, you'll be 
> on the last field you edited and not necessarily the month field like you 
> were in when you first interacted at the outset. Does that make sense?
> 
> In other words, you interacted the first time and the focus was on the month. 
> You used the arrow keys to set the month, the right arrow key to move to day, 
> the up and down arrows (or just typing) to set the day, right arrow to move 
> to the year and set the year with what ever method you chose. Then you 
> pressed VO-left arrow to move away and then VO-right arrow to move back. 
> Let's say you needed to adjust the day field. When you again interact with 
> the date field you'll be on the year because that's where you were the last 
> time you interacted and that's where the keyboard focus is. So you now have 
> to use the left arrow key to move back to the day field. Hopefully that 
> explains the initial concept.
> 
> Now, if you use other keys to navigate, like Tab, all bets are off on its 
> behavior. I'd assume that if you actually tabbed to an edit field, 
> VoiceOver's keyboard focus would leave the date field and upon tabbing back 
> to it, the month would be the first focused field. Anyway, that's an 
> assumption, I already stated.
> 
> So, long story, it's not really easily accessible and it sounds complicated 
> but, once you're used to the process, it's certainly doable.
> 
> Hopefully that helps.
> 
> Slau
> as 
> On Mar 18, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Christina wrote:
> 
>> I apologize for writing again about this issue.  Is I am very frustrated 
>> trying to enter dates into address book for birth dates and anniversaries.  
>> 
>> Is this not really accessible, or do I have a voiceover setting set up in a 
>> way that is causing so much distress?
>> 
>> I'll try to explain the issues.  I can interact with the date field.  I seem 
>> to be able to vo left and right arrow between month/day/year.  Then I have 
>> tried typing in the info or using vo plus up and down arrows.  Typing does 
>> not seem to work as according to a sighted person there is a text cursor 
>> that is not moving with the vo cursor.  I do have vo set up so that it 
>> should be following the vo cursor but it won't follow.  I can 

Re: still having difficulties with dates

[mani]

I think this is inconsistent with the general VO behavior and should
be reported as a bug to Apple.
What would be the best way to reach this to Apple?

Thanks,
mani

On Mar 18, 7:55 pm, Christina  wrote:
> Thanks so much.  I got it to work now thanks to you.  If I don't use the vo 
> keys, per your instructions, to change the date, then it works great.  While 
> in the month field I get zero feedback but while in the day or year areas I 
> do get feedback from voiceover.  That is much more workable then the way I 
> was trying to do this before your help.  Thanks.  That makes life s much 
> easier.
>
> Christina
> On Mar 18, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi Christina,
>
> > OK, I misunderstood your question and assumed that, when you were speaking 
> > of birthday fields, you were speaking about iCal. I now understand that 
> > you're referring to Address Book instead.
>
> > OK, this is a complicated explanation. I'll try to make it as clear as I 
> > can. Sit back and enjoy the bumpy ride…
>
> > Address Book definitely has a bug in that VoiceOver often doesn't echo 
> > typing and deletion of characters within a field. One has to type without 
> > feedback and move away and back to double check the input.
>
> > When editing a birthday field, first, make sure you're actually editing the 
> > card rather than browsing the contact's scroll area and simply interacting 
> > with the card's information. Again, I must stress the difference. Command'l 
> > is the shortcut for editing a card.
>
> > Now, assuming you've already added the birthday field, navigate to the 
> > field and interact with it. Make a mental note of the month. If I'm not 
> > mistaken, by default, the active field will be the month and the date will 
> > say December 31, 2000. In this case, use only your up or down arrow key to 
> > change the value. The up arrow will move the month forward like from 
> > december to January and the down arrow will move it back like from December 
> > to November, for example. Now, remember, you probably won't get any 
> > feedback. You'll probably hear the year but don't assume that the active 
> > keyboard focus is on the year field.
>
> > When you've changed the month to what you think is correct, use only the 
> > right arrow key to go to the day field and then use only the up or down key 
> > to set the day. Repeat this for the year as well. Alternatively, you can 
> > try simply typing the value and not use the arrow keys. Sometimes that 
> > seems to work well but you might find yourself typing the wrong thing in 
> > the wrong field.
>
> > To check your entry, don't stop interacting or that will throw you out of 
> > the scroll area. Instead, simply use Control-Option-left arrow to move left 
> > and then use Control-Option-right arrow to read the date field.
>
> > Now, an important thing to remember is that, once you've interacted with 
> > the date field and have changed values and subsequently used VO-left arrow 
> > to move away and back to check the date, when you once again interact, 
> > you'll be on the last field you edited and not necessarily the month field 
> > like you were in when you first interacted at the outset. Does that make 
> > sense?
>
> > In other words, you interacted the first time and the focus was on the 
> > month. You used the arrow keys to set the month, the right arrow key to 
> > move to day, the up and down arrows (or just typing) to set the day, right 
> > arrow to move to the year and set the year with what ever method you chose. 
> > Then you pressed VO-left arrow to move away and then VO-right arrow to move 
> > back. Let's say you needed to adjust the day field. When you again interact 
> > with the date field you'll be on the year because that's where you were the 
> > last time you interacted and that's where the keyboard focus is. So you now 
> > have to use the left arrow key to move back to the day field. Hopefully 
> > that explains the initial concept.
>
> > Now, if you use other keys to navigate, like Tab, all bets are off on its 
> > behavior. I'd assume that if you actually tabbed to an edit field, 
> > VoiceOver's keyboard focus would leave the date field and upon tabbing back 
> > to it, the month would be the first focused field. Anyway, that's an 
> > assumption, I already stated.
>
> > So, long story, it's not really easily accessible and it sounds complicated 
> > but, once you're used to the process, it's certainly doable.
>
> > Hopefully that helps.
>
> > Slau
> > as
> > On Mar 18, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Christina wrote:
>
> >> I apologize for writing again about this issue.  Is I am very frustrated 
> >> trying to enter dates into address book for birth dates and anniversaries. 
> >>  
>
> >> Is this not really accessible, or do I have a voiceover setting set up in 
> >> a way that is causing so much distress?
>
> >> I'll try to explain the issues.  I can interact with the date field.  I 
> >> seem to be able to vo left and ri

Re: still having difficulties with dates

[Scott Howell]

accessibil...@apple.com is the address where you can send any and all issues 
related to VoiceOver or any accessibility features of Apple products.
On Mar 18, 2010, at 10:23 PM, mani wrote:

> I think this is inconsistent with the general VO behavior and should
> be reported as a bug to Apple.
> What would be the best way to reach this to Apple?
> 
> Thanks,
> mani
> 
> On Mar 18, 7:55 pm, Christina  wrote:
>> Thanks so much.  I got it to work now thanks to you.  If I don't use the vo 
>> keys, per your instructions, to change the date, then it works great.  While 
>> in the month field I get zero feedback but while in the day or year areas I 
>> do get feedback from voiceover.  That is much more workable then the way I 
>> was trying to do this before your help.  Thanks.  That makes life s much 
>> easier.
>> 
>> Christina
>> On Mar 18, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi Christina,
>> 
>>> OK, I misunderstood your question and assumed that, when you were speaking 
>>> of birthday fields, you were speaking about iCal. I now understand that 
>>> you're referring to Address Book instead.
>> 
>>> OK, this is a complicated explanation. I'll try to make it as clear as I 
>>> can. Sit back and enjoy the bumpy ride…
>> 
>>> Address Book definitely has a bug in that VoiceOver often doesn't echo 
>>> typing and deletion of characters within a field. One has to type without 
>>> feedback and move away and back to double check the input.
>> 
>>> When editing a birthday field, first, make sure you're actually editing the 
>>> card rather than browsing the contact's scroll area and simply interacting 
>>> with the card's information. Again, I must stress the difference. Command'l 
>>> is the shortcut for editing a card.
>> 
>>> Now, assuming you've already added the birthday field, navigate to the 
>>> field and interact with it. Make a mental note of the month. If I'm not 
>>> mistaken, by default, the active field will be the month and the date will 
>>> say December 31, 2000. In this case, use only your up or down arrow key to 
>>> change the value. The up arrow will move the month forward like from 
>>> december to January and the down arrow will move it back like from December 
>>> to November, for example. Now, remember, you probably won't get any 
>>> feedback. You'll probably hear the year but don't assume that the active 
>>> keyboard focus is on the year field.
>> 
>>> When you've changed the month to what you think is correct, use only the 
>>> right arrow key to go to the day field and then use only the up or down key 
>>> to set the day. Repeat this for the year as well. Alternatively, you can 
>>> try simply typing the value and not use the arrow keys. Sometimes that 
>>> seems to work well but you might find yourself typing the wrong thing in 
>>> the wrong field.
>> 
>>> To check your entry, don't stop interacting or that will throw you out of 
>>> the scroll area. Instead, simply use Control-Option-left arrow to move left 
>>> and then use Control-Option-right arrow to read the date field.
>> 
>>> Now, an important thing to remember is that, once you've interacted with 
>>> the date field and have changed values and subsequently used VO-left arrow 
>>> to move away and back to check the date, when you once again interact, 
>>> you'll be on the last field you edited and not necessarily the month field 
>>> like you were in when you first interacted at the outset. Does that make 
>>> sense?
>> 
>>> In other words, you interacted the first time and the focus was on the 
>>> month. You used the arrow keys to set the month, the right arrow key to 
>>> move to day, the up and down arrows (or just typing) to set the day, right 
>>> arrow to move to the year and set the year with what ever method you chose. 
>>> Then you pressed VO-left arrow to move away and then VO-right arrow to move 
>>> back. Let's say you needed to adjust the day field. When you again interact 
>>> with the date field you'll be on the year because that's where you were the 
>>> last time you interacted and that's where the keyboard focus is. So you now 
>>> have to use the left arrow key to move back to the day field. Hopefully 
>>> that explains the initial concept.
>> 
>>> Now, if you use other keys to navigate, like Tab, all bets are off on its 
>>> behavior. I'd assume that if you actually tabbed to an edit field, 
>>> VoiceOver's keyboard focus would leave the date field and upon tabbing back 
>>> to it, the month would be the first focused field. Anyway, that's an 
>>> assumption, I already stated.
>> 
>>> So, long story, it's not really easily accessible and it sounds complicated 
>>> but, once you're used to the process, it's certainly doable.
>> 
>>> Hopefully that helps.
>> 
>>> Slau
>>> as
>>> On Mar 18, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Christina wrote:
>> 
 I apologize for writing again about this issue.  Is I am very frustrated 
 trying to enter dates into address book for birth dates and anniversaries. 
>

Re: still having difficulties with dates

[mani]

Done.  Thanks Scott.
And Christina, don't be surprised if you gat a brand new 'address
book' in the mail. :)

mani

On Mar 19, 5:24 am, Scott Howell  wrote:
> accessibil...@apple.com is the address where you can send any and all issues 
> related to VoiceOver or any accessibility features of Apple products.
> On Mar 18, 2010, at 10:23 PM, mani wrote:
>
>
>
> > I think this is inconsistent with the general VO behavior and should
> > be reported as a bug to Apple.
> > What would be the best way to reach this to Apple?
>
> > Thanks,
> > mani
>
> > On Mar 18, 7:55 pm, Christina  wrote:
> >> Thanks so much.  I got it to work now thanks to you.  If I don't use the 
> >> vo keys, per your instructions, to change the date, then it works great.  
> >> While in the month field I get zero feedback but while in the day or year 
> >> areas I do get feedback from voiceover.  That is much more workable then 
> >> the way I was trying to do this before your help.  Thanks.  That makes 
> >> life s much easier.
>
> >> Christina
> >> On Mar 18, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote:
>
> >>> Hi Christina,
>
> >>> OK, I misunderstood your question and assumed that, when you were 
> >>> speaking of birthday fields, you were speaking about iCal. I now 
> >>> understand that you're referring to Address Book instead.
>
> >>> OK, this is a complicated explanation. I'll try to make it as clear as I 
> >>> can. Sit back and enjoy the bumpy ride…
>
> >>> Address Book definitely has a bug in that VoiceOver often doesn't echo 
> >>> typing and deletion of characters within a field. One has to type without 
> >>> feedback and move away and back to double check the input.
>
> >>> When editing a birthday field, first, make sure you're actually editing 
> >>> the card rather than browsing the contact's scroll area and simply 
> >>> interacting with the card's information. Again, I must stress the 
> >>> difference. Command'l is the shortcut for editing a card.
>
> >>> Now, assuming you've already added the birthday field, navigate to the 
> >>> field and interact with it. Make a mental note of the month. If I'm not 
> >>> mistaken, by default, the active field will be the month and the date 
> >>> will say December 31, 2000. In this case, use only your up or down arrow 
> >>> key to change the value. The up arrow will move the month forward like 
> >>> from december to January and the down arrow will move it back like from 
> >>> December to November, for example. Now, remember, you probably won't get 
> >>> any feedback. You'll probably hear the year but don't assume that the 
> >>> active keyboard focus is on the year field.
>
> >>> When you've changed the month to what you think is correct, use only the 
> >>> right arrow key to go to the day field and then use only the up or down 
> >>> key to set the day. Repeat this for the year as well. Alternatively, you 
> >>> can try simply typing the value and not use the arrow keys. Sometimes 
> >>> that seems to work well but you might find yourself typing the wrong 
> >>> thing in the wrong field.
>
> >>> To check your entry, don't stop interacting or that will throw you out of 
> >>> the scroll area. Instead, simply use Control-Option-left arrow to move 
> >>> left and then use Control-Option-right arrow to read the date field.
>
> >>> Now, an important thing to remember is that, once you've interacted with 
> >>> the date field and have changed values and subsequently used VO-left 
> >>> arrow to move away and back to check the date, when you once again 
> >>> interact, you'll be on the last field you edited and not necessarily the 
> >>> month field like you were in when you first interacted at the outset. 
> >>> Does that make sense?
>
> >>> In other words, you interacted the first time and the focus was on the 
> >>> month. You used the arrow keys to set the month, the right arrow key to 
> >>> move to day, the up and down arrows (or just typing) to set the day, 
> >>> right arrow to move to the year and set the year with what ever method 
> >>> you chose. Then you pressed VO-left arrow to move away and then VO-right 
> >>> arrow to move back. Let's say you needed to adjust the day field. When 
> >>> you again interact with the date field you'll be on the year because 
> >>> that's where you were the last time you interacted and that's where the 
> >>> keyboard focus is. So you now have to use the left arrow key to move back 
> >>> to the day field. Hopefully that explains the initial concept.
>
> >>> Now, if you use other keys to navigate, like Tab, all bets are off on its 
> >>> behavior. I'd assume that if you actually tabbed to an edit field, 
> >>> VoiceOver's keyboard focus would leave the date field and upon tabbing 
> >>> back to it, the month would be the first focused field. Anyway, that's an 
> >>> assumption, I already stated.
>
> >>> So, long story, it's not really easily accessible and it sounds 
> >>> complicated but, once you're used to the process, it's certainly doabl

Re: still having difficulties with dates

[Christina]

that would be great if they could fix this.  It does seem to work 
inconsistantly.  Sometimes I get feedback while typing in address book and 
other times I get nothing.

Christina
On Mar 19, 2010, at 6:57 AM, mani wrote:

> Done.  Thanks Scott.
> And Christina, don't be surprised if you gat a brand new 'address
> book' in the mail. :)
> 
> mani
> 
> On Mar 19, 5:24 am, Scott Howell  wrote:
>> accessibil...@apple.com is the address where you can send any and all issues 
>> related to VoiceOver or any accessibility features of Apple products.
>> On Mar 18, 2010, at 10:23 PM, mani wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> I think this is inconsistent with the general VO behavior and should
>>> be reported as a bug to Apple.
>>> What would be the best way to reach this to Apple?
>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> mani
>> 
>>> On Mar 18, 7:55 pm, Christina  wrote:
 Thanks so much.  I got it to work now thanks to you.  If I don't use the 
 vo keys, per your instructions, to change the date, then it works great.  
 While in the month field I get zero feedback but while in the day or year 
 areas I do get feedback from voiceover.  That is much more workable then 
 the way I was trying to do this before your help.  Thanks.  That makes 
 life s much easier.
>> 
 Christina
 On Mar 18, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote:
>> 
> Hi Christina,
>> 
> OK, I misunderstood your question and assumed that, when you were 
> speaking of birthday fields, you were speaking about iCal. I now 
> understand that you're referring to Address Book instead.
>> 
> OK, this is a complicated explanation. I'll try to make it as clear as I 
> can. Sit back and enjoy the bumpy ride…
>> 
> Address Book definitely has a bug in that VoiceOver often doesn't echo 
> typing and deletion of characters within a field. One has to type without 
> feedback and move away and back to double check the input.
>> 
> When editing a birthday field, first, make sure you're actually editing 
> the card rather than browsing the contact's scroll area and simply 
> interacting with the card's information. Again, I must stress the 
> difference. Command'l is the shortcut for editing a card.
>> 
> Now, assuming you've already added the birthday field, navigate to the 
> field and interact with it. Make a mental note of the month. If I'm not 
> mistaken, by default, the active field will be the month and the date 
> will say December 31, 2000. In this case, use only your up or down arrow 
> key to change the value. The up arrow will move the month forward like 
> from december to January and the down arrow will move it back like from 
> December to November, for example. Now, remember, you probably won't get 
> any feedback. You'll probably hear the year but don't assume that the 
> active keyboard focus is on the year field.
>> 
> When you've changed the month to what you think is correct, use only the 
> right arrow key to go to the day field and then use only the up or down 
> key to set the day. Repeat this for the year as well. Alternatively, you 
> can try simply typing the value and not use the arrow keys. Sometimes 
> that seems to work well but you might find yourself typing the wrong 
> thing in the wrong field.
>> 
> To check your entry, don't stop interacting or that will throw you out of 
> the scroll area. Instead, simply use Control-Option-left arrow to move 
> left and then use Control-Option-right arrow to read the date field.
>> 
> Now, an important thing to remember is that, once you've interacted with 
> the date field and have changed values and subsequently used VO-left 
> arrow to move away and back to check the date, when you once again 
> interact, you'll be on the last field you edited and not necessarily the 
> month field like you were in when you first interacted at the outset. 
> Does that make sense?
>> 
> In other words, you interacted the first time and the focus was on the 
> month. You used the arrow keys to set the month, the right arrow key to 
> move to day, the up and down arrows (or just typing) to set the day, 
> right arrow to move to the year and set the year with what ever method 
> you chose. Then you pressed VO-left arrow to move away and then VO-right 
> arrow to move back. Let's say you needed to adjust the day field. When 
> you again interact with the date field you'll be on the year because 
> that's where you were the last time you interacted and that's where the 
> keyboard focus is. So you now have to use the left arrow key to move back 
> to the day field. Hopefully that explains the initial concept.
>> 
> Now, if you use other keys to navigate, like Tab, all bets are off on its 
> behavior. I'd assume that if you actually tabbed to an edit field, 
> VoiceOver's keyboard focus would leave the date field and upon t

a voice over issue I'm having

[Sarah Alawami]

hello to all. sorry about the cross [posting but I'm having a strange voice 
over issue. it has happens when I'm selecting a huge document with shift up 
arrow or I'm arrowing through a huge document or email. also it happens when I 
arrow through folders and sometimes it just happens. here is the link to how I 
describe what's going on.

http://twaud.io/5kd

I'm running the latest everything so don't know what's up.


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msn: chell...@hotmail.com
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having trouble with ebay... as usual

[erik burggraaf]

Hi guys,  I just went to look at my ebay and safari is telling me it can't load 
the page because of too many redirects.  So, I hit the customer support link to 
see if I could find a contact form or troubleshooting page and guess what?  the 
support page won't load because of too many redirects.  

Anyone else seeing this?

Thanks,

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having some really weird network problems.

[Oriol Gómez]

Hi all,
I'm having some very very weird network issues.
I use a router with dhcp enabled and I have my windows box configured
to connect to it.
As soon as I connect my mac to the same wireless, internet dies on my
windows box in a way that I am able to use my open connections but I
can't open new ones such as creating websites etc.
If I disconnect the mac it stays the same way until I power cycle the router.
Has anyone else experienced this?
It seems very weird to me.

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having issues downloading drop box files

[Ray Foret Jr]

Hi,

A friend sent me four drop box files via public links.  Problem is I could only 
download one of them.  I interacted with the message text and focused on the 
link.  then, I opened the short cut menu.  From there, I chose "download linked 
file".  this only worked for one.  It would not work for any other.  I noticed 
that the links are broken up in to two lines.  Any way to deal with this?


Sincerely, 
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!

Skype Name:
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Having a bit of folder confusion

[Bill Holton]

Hi.

I have two drives inside my Mini, which I have named Mac HD for the system
volume and Mac Data for my datavolume.  The way the computer came, the home
folder is located in the Mac Data drive volume, with the usual tree:  users,
Bill, desktop, documents, downloads, music, etc.  But on the Mac HD system
folder these folders also exist, users, bill, desktop, etc., and I don't
think they are aliases because the data in my home folders is not also
mirrored in these folders.  

Are these system volume directories some sort of unused copies?  Thanks.

 

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Having a small issue with Voxer

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Does anyone know with the Voxer ap for the IPhone how to clear messages out 
of your chat list?  I used to could symply double tap on the message, then 
double tap in the upper right corner of the screen to open the chat settings 
for that conversation, then in there could find delete chat.  Now, the only 
things I see are to block, which I obviously don't wanna do, I can mark all 
as read, or can delete all messages within the individual chat.  With the 
latest update, I'm not finding any way at all to actually delete the whole 
chat entirely after I either compose it, or after someone else voxers me. 
It's kind of aggervating, as I have a lot of people who's chat I've gotten 
opened over time, seeing that I'm a huge Voxer fan.


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Re: still having issues downloading mavericks.

[isaac]

No I haven't had this issue.
On Mar 4, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:

> I've been trying for about 3 days now to download mavericks, only for it to 
> not complete, have called and even after contacting someone from Apple, who 
> did a screenshot with me over the phone, it seemed to be downloading, but 
> it's not coming up on the launchpad yet, so I can't tell whether or not it's 
> doing anything.  Has anyone had this issue?
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Re: still having issues downloading mavericks.

[Jessica Moss]

I have a 5+year-old lyncsis router, but can't afford to upgrade to a different 
one, could that have anything to do with it?
On Mar 4, 2014, at 8:52 AM, isaac wrote:

> No I haven't had this issue.
> On Mar 4, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
>> I've been trying for about 3 days now to download mavericks, only for it to 
>> not complete, have called and even after contacting someone from Apple, who 
>> did a screenshot with me over the phone, it seemed to be downloading, but 
>> it's not coming up on the launchpad yet, so I can't tell whether or not it's 
>> doing anything.  Has anyone had this issue?
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to the person having bookshare problems

[alia robinson]

If you are trying to open .xml files on saphari this never works for 
me. I have to switch the extension to .html, and they work everytime. 

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RE: Iphone 6+ having bluetooth issues

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah I’ve had this similar happen with my iPhone 6splus and the voyager edge

Try playing with the audio routing. Which can be enabled to the roter

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of NCBM Moses Choo
Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2016 12:58 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Iphone 6+ having bluetooth issues

Dear all,

Anyone out there having bluetooth issues?

I use the following bluetooth earphones.

The  Jabra Boost and the Voyager Edge from Pentronics

The pairing has no issue at all. In fact, it pairs rather quickly. However, the 
issues are:

1.During a call, the earphone can automatically get disconnected.

2.   at times, the phone is connected (assistance from sighted person) however, 
no sound comes from either the speaker nor the earphone.

3.There are times  that voiceover will breakup.

Tried turning on and off the phone,
Tried removing  and repairing,
tried  resetting all network settings,
tried  turning on and off airplainmode,

I did not experience all these with earlier IOS versions.


Would appreciate some info from members here.

Thanks in advance

Moses Choo.
Malaysia



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Re: Iphone 6+ having bluetooth issues

[David Chittenden]

It has to do with the automatic settings. Go to settings, phone, and set 
default to bluetooth to force the phone call to the earpiece whenever it is 
connected.

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> On 29 Jun 2016, at 10:58, NCBM Moses Choo  wrote:
> 
> Dear all,
>  
> Anyone out there having bluetooth issues?
>  
> I use the following bluetooth earphones.
>  
> The  Jabra Boost and the Voyager Edge from Pentronics
>  
> The pairing has no issue at all. In fact, it pairs rather quickly. However, 
> the issues are:
>  
> 1.During a call, the earphone can automatically get disconnected.
>  
> 2.   at times, the phone is connected (assistance from sighted person) 
> however, no sound comes from either the speaker nor the earphone.
>  
> 3.There are times  that voiceover will breakup.
>  
> Tried turning on and off the phone,
> Tried removing  and repairing,
> tried  resetting all network settings,
> tried  turning on and off airplainmode,
>  
> I did not experience all these with earlier IOS versions.
>  
>  
> Would appreciate some info from members here.
>  
> Thanks in advance
>  
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Re: Iphone 6+ having bluetooth issues

[Scott Granados]

Hi, so on the 6s+ I have only experienced #1, disconnection, mainly of the 
hands free profile and it seems related to the proximity censor.

I also with the voyager edge and legend would have the last played media start 
when a call would disconnect.

These seem much better in the most recent public beta.

> On Jun 28, 2016, at 8:58 PM, NCBM Moses Choo  wrote:
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> Anyone out there having bluetooth issues?
> 
> I use the following bluetooth earphones.
> 
> The  Jabra Boost and the Voyager Edge from Pentronics
> 
> The pairing has no issue at all. In fact, it pairs rather quickly. However, 
> the issues are:
> 
> 1.During a call, the earphone can automatically get disconnected.
> 
> 2.   at times, the phone is connected (assistance from sighted person) 
> however, no sound comes from either the speaker nor the earphone.
> 
> 3.There are times  that voiceover will breakup.
> 
> Tried turning on and off the phone,
> Tried removing  and repairing,
> tried  resetting all network settings,
> tried  turning on and off airplainmode,
> 
> I did not experience all these with earlier IOS versions.
> 
> 
> Would appreciate some info from members here.
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Moses Choo.
> Malaysia
> 
> 
> 
> As of 1st January 2016, NCBM has moved into a new office.
> 
> MAJLIS KEBANGSAAN BAGI ORANG BUTA, MALAYSIA
> National Council for the Blind, Malaysia
> Unit 13-8, 13th floor,
> Menara Sentral Vista,
> No. 150, Jalan Sultan Abdulsamad,
> Brickfields,
> 50470, Kuala Lumpur.
> Malaysia.
> 
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> Fax  22761653
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Re: Iphone 6+ having bluetooth issues

[Scott Granados]

David jumping in with a great tip, I’m heading there now to adjust.

Thank you David!!

Great tip

> On Jun 29, 2016, at 7:53 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> It has to do with the automatic settings. Go to settings, phone, and set 
> default to bluetooth to force the phone call to the earpiece whenever it is 
> connected.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 29 Jun 2016, at 10:58, NCBM Moses Choo  <mailto:mosesc...@ncbm.org.my>> wrote:
> 
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> Anyone out there having bluetooth issues?
>> 
>> I use the following bluetooth earphones.
>> 
>> The  Jabra Boost and the Voyager Edge from Pentronics
>> 
>> The pairing has no issue at all. In fact, it pairs rather quickly. However, 
>> the issues are:
>> 
>> 1.During a call, the earphone can automatically get disconnected.
>> 
>> 2.   at times, the phone is connected (assistance from sighted person) 
>> however, no sound comes from either the speaker nor the earphone.
>> 
>> 3.There are times  that voiceover will breakup.
>> 
>> Tried turning on and off the phone,
>> Tried removing  and repairing,
>> tried  resetting all network settings,
>> tried  turning on and off airplainmode,
>> 
>> I did not experience all these with earlier IOS versions.
>> 
>> 
>> Would appreciate some info from members here.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance
>> 
>> Moses Choo.
>> Malaysia
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> As of 1st January 2016, NCBM has moved into a new office.
>> 
>> MAJLIS KEBANGSAAN BAGI ORANG BUTA, MALAYSIA
>> National Council for the Blind, Malaysia
>> Unit 13-8, 13th floor,
>> Menara Sentral Vista,
>> No. 150, Jalan Sultan Abdulsamad,
>> Brickfields,
>> 50470, Kuala Lumpur.
>> Malaysia.
>> 
>> Tel   22762973
>> Fax  22761653
>> 
>> WEBwww.ncbm.org.my <http://www.ncbm.org.my/>
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RE: Iphone 6+ having bluetooth issues

[NCBM Moses Choo]

Hi David,  Mine is already set audio routing to bluetooth headphone. 
 
Thanksk,
 
Moses. 
 

  _  

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Iphone 6+ having bluetooth issues


It has to do with the automatic settings. Go to settings, phone, and set
default to bluetooth to force the phone call to the earpiece whenever it is
connected.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA 
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 29 Jun 2016, at 10:58, NCBM Moses Choo  wrote:



Dear all, 
 
Anyone out there having bluetooth issues? 
 
I use the following bluetooth earphones. 
 
The  Jabra Boost and the Voyager Edge from Pentronics 
 
The pairing has no issue at all. In fact, it pairs rather quickly. However,
the issues are:
 
1.During a call, the earphone can automatically get disconnected. 
 
2.   at times, the phone is connected (assistance from sighted person)
however, no sound comes from either the speaker nor the earphone. 
 
3.There are times  that voiceover will breakup. 
 
Tried turning on and off the phone, 
Tried removing  and repairing,
tried  resetting all network settings, 
tried  turning on and off airplainmode,
 
I did not experience all these with earlier IOS versions. 
 
 
Would appreciate some info from members here. 
 
Thanks in advance 
 
Moses Choo. 
Malaysia 
 
 
 

As of 1st January 2016, NCBM has moved into a new office. 

 

MAJLIS KEBANGSAAN BAGI ORANG BUTA, MALAYSIA 

National Council for the Blind, Malaysia 

Unit 13-8, 13th floor, 

Menara Sentral Vista,

No. 150, Jalan Sultan Abdulsamad,

Brickfields, 

50470, Kuala Lumpur. 

Malaysia. 

 

Tel   22762973 

Fax  22761653



WEBwww.ncbm.org.my <http://www.ncbm.org.my/>   



Email for general enquiry  i...@ncbm.org.my 



 

 



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RE: Iphone 6+ having bluetooth issues

[NCBM Moses Choo]

Thanks,  will such things happen on other headphones as well?  I have
already bought 2 headphones  and both also has given me problems.  If the
problem persists, no point buying another headphone.   I do hope this will
be solved with the next IOS. 
 
Moses. 
 

  _  

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 5:53 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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Yeah I've had this similar happen with my iPhone 6splus and the voyager edge


 

Try playing with the audio routing. Which can be enabled to the roter 

 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of NCBM Moses Choo 
Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2016 12:58 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Iphone 6+ having bluetooth issues

 

Dear all, 

 

Anyone out there having bluetooth issues? 

 

I use the following bluetooth earphones. 

 

The  Jabra Boost and the Voyager Edge from Pentronics 

 

The pairing has no issue at all. In fact, it pairs rather quickly. However,
the issues are:

 

1.During a call, the earphone can automatically get disconnected. 

 

2.   at times, the phone is connected (assistance from sighted person)
however, no sound comes from either the speaker nor the earphone. 

 

3.There are times  that voiceover will breakup. 

 

Tried turning on and off the phone, 

Tried removing  and repairing,

tried  resetting all network settings, 

tried  turning on and off airplainmode,

 

I did not experience all these with earlier IOS versions. 

 

 

Would appreciate some info from members here. 

 

Thanks in advance 

 

Moses Choo. 

Malaysia 

 

 

 

As of 1st January 2016, NCBM has moved into a new office. 

 

MAJLIS KEBANGSAAN BAGI ORANG BUTA, MALAYSIA 

National Council for the Blind, Malaysia 

Unit 13-8, 13th floor, 

Menara Sentral Vista,

No. 150, Jalan Sultan Abdulsamad,

Brickfields, 

50470, Kuala Lumpur. 

Malaysia. 

 

Tel   22762973 

Fax  22761653

 

WEB   www.ncbm.org.my <http://www.ncbm.org.my/>   

 

Email for general enquiry  i...@ncbm.org.my 

 

 

 

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Re: Iphone 6+ having bluetooth issues

[Scott Granados]

Hi Moses, I have had varying issues with all brands.  Plantronics I find to be 
the most reliable, Era by Jawbone is stylish but not as astable.  All seem 
better in the latest public beta release so yes I’d expect a better result with 
the next maintenance update.

> On Jun 29, 2016, at 8:18 AM, NCBM Moses Choo  wrote:
> 
> Thanks,  will such things happen on other headphones as well?  I have already 
> bought 2 headphones  and both also has given me problems.  If the problem 
> persists, no point buying another headphone.   I do hope this will be solved 
> with the next IOS.
> 
> Moses.
> 
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: RE: Iphone 6+ having bluetooth issues
> 
> Yeah I’ve had this similar happen with my iPhone 6splus and the voyager edge
> 
> Try playing with the audio routing. Which can be enabled to the roter
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of NCBM Moses Choo
> Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2016 12:58 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Iphone 6+ having bluetooth issues
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> Anyone out there having bluetooth issues?
> 
> I use the following bluetooth earphones.
> 
> The  Jabra Boost and the Voyager Edge from Pentronics
> 
> The pairing has no issue at all. In fact, it pairs rather quickly. However, 
> the issues are:
> 
> 1.During a call, the earphone can automatically get disconnected.
> 
> 2.   at times, the phone is connected (assistance from sighted person) 
> however, no sound comes from either the speaker nor the earphone.
> 
> 3.There are times  that voiceover will breakup.
> 
> Tried turning on and off the phone,
> Tried removing  and repairing,
> tried  resetting all network settings,
> tried  turning on and off airplainmode,
> 
> I did not experience all these with earlier IOS versions.
> 
> 
> Would appreciate some info from members here.
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Moses Choo.
> Malaysia
> 
> 
> 
> As of 1st January 2016, NCBM has moved into a new office.
> 
> MAJLIS KEBANGSAAN BAGI ORANG BUTA, MALAYSIA
> National Council for the Blind, Malaysia
> Unit 13-8, 13th floor,
> Menara Sentral Vista,
> No. 150, Jalan Sultan Abdulsamad,
> Brickfields,
> 50470, Kuala Lumpur.
> Malaysia.
> 
> Tel   22762973
> Fax  22761653
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> WEB   www.ncbm.org.my <http://www.ncbm.org.my/>
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Re: Iphone 6+ having bluetooth issues

[David Chittenden]

I am extremely embarrassed to say, I went from memory and did not remember 
correctly.

The correct location for routing the call is: settings, general, accessibility, 
call routing. The choices are: automatic, earpiece, speakerphone, and handset. 
The nice thing about automatic is it remembers for each headset separately. The 
problem is that it defaults to speaker or handset during the first use of a new 
headset, and getting audio to route properly can be a little fiddly. Also, 
answering the call by pressing the headset button usually routes to the 
headset, whilst pressing the answer button on the phone routes to the handset.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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> On 29 Jun 2016, at 22:12, NCBM Moses Choo  wrote:
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> Hi David,  Mine is already set audio routing to bluetooth headphone.
>  
> Thanksk,
>  
> Moses.
>  
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 7:54 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Iphone 6+ having bluetooth issues
> 
> It has to do with the automatic settings. Go to settings, phone, and set 
> default to bluetooth to force the phone call to the earpiece whenever it is 
> connected.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 29 Jun 2016, at 10:58, NCBM Moses Choo  wrote:
>> 
>> Dear all,
>>  
>> Anyone out there having bluetooth issues?
>>  
>> I use the following bluetooth earphones.
>>  
>> The  Jabra Boost and the Voyager Edge from Pentronics
>>  
>> The pairing has no issue at all. In fact, it pairs rather quickly. However, 
>> the issues are:
>>  
>> 1.During a call, the earphone can automatically get disconnected.
>>  
>> 2.   at times, the phone is connected (assistance from sighted person) 
>> however, no sound comes from either the speaker nor the earphone.
>>  
>> 3.There are times  that voiceover will breakup.
>>  
>> Tried turning on and off the phone,
>> Tried removing  and repairing,
>> tried  resetting all network settings,
>> tried  turning on and off airplainmode,
>>  
>> I did not experience all these with earlier IOS versions.
>>  
>>  
>> Would appreciate some info from members here.
>>  
>> Thanks in advance
>>  
>> Moses Choo.
>> Malaysia
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> As of 1st January 2016, NCBM has moved into a new office.
>>  
>> MAJLIS KEBANGSAAN BAGI ORANG BUTA, MALAYSIA
>> National Council for the Blind, Malaysia
>> Unit 13-8, 13th floor,
>> Menara Sentral Vista,
>> No. 150, Jalan Sultan Abdulsamad,
>> Brickfields,
>> 50470, Kuala Lumpur.
>> Malaysia.
>>  
>> Tel   22762973
>> Fax  22761653
>> WEBwww.ncbm.org.my 
>> Email for general enquiry  i...@ncbm.org.my
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RE: Iphone 6+ having bluetooth issues

[NCBM Moses Choo]

Hi David, I think it is quite okay.Thanks for the further explanation. Lets
wait for the next update and see how much better it would be.  In the mean
time, it is useable, got to keep on pairing again and  again. 
 
Moses. 
 
 

  _  

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 8:50 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Iphone 6+ having bluetooth issues


I am extremely embarrassed to say, I went from memory and did not remember
correctly.

The correct location for routing the call is: settings, general,
accessibility, call routing. The choices are: automatic, earpiece,
speakerphone, and handset. The nice thing about automatic is it remembers
for each headset separately. The problem is that it defaults to speaker or
handset during the first use of a new headset, and getting audio to route
properly can be a little fiddly. Also, answering the call by pressing the
headset button usually routes to the headset, whilst pressing the answer
button on the phone routes to the handset.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA 
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 29 Jun 2016, at 22:12, NCBM Moses Choo  wrote:



Hi David,  Mine is already set audio routing to bluetooth headphone. 
 
Thanksk,
 
Moses. 
 

  _  

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 7:54 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Iphone 6+ having bluetooth issues


It has to do with the automatic settings. Go to settings, phone, and set
default to bluetooth to force the phone call to the earpiece whenever it is
connected.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA 
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 29 Jun 2016, at 10:58, NCBM Moses Choo  wrote:



Dear all, 
 
Anyone out there having bluetooth issues? 
 
I use the following bluetooth earphones. 
 
The  Jabra Boost and the Voyager Edge from Pentronics 
 
The pairing has no issue at all. In fact, it pairs rather quickly. However,
the issues are:
 
1.During a call, the earphone can automatically get disconnected. 
 
2.   at times, the phone is connected (assistance from sighted person)
however, no sound comes from either the speaker nor the earphone. 
 
3.There are times  that voiceover will breakup. 
 
Tried turning on and off the phone, 
Tried removing  and repairing,
tried  resetting all network settings, 
tried  turning on and off airplainmode,
 
I did not experience all these with earlier IOS versions. 
 
 
Would appreciate some info from members here. 
 
Thanks in advance 
 
Moses Choo. 
Malaysia 
 
 
 

As of 1st January 2016, NCBM has moved into a new office. 

 

MAJLIS KEBANGSAAN BAGI ORANG BUTA, MALAYSIA 

National Council for the Blind, Malaysia 

Unit 13-8, 13th floor, 

Menara Sentral Vista,

No. 150, Jalan Sultan Abdulsamad,

Brickfields, 

50470, Kuala Lumpur. 

Malaysia. 

 

Tel   22762973 

Fax  22761653



WEBwww.ncbm.org.my <http://www.ncbm.org.my/>   



Email for general enquiry  i...@ncbm.org.my 



 

 



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RE: Iphone 6+ having bluetooth issues

[Simon Fogarty]

And more to the point it’s the Bluetooth from the iPhone os not the headphones,
Just for now go with it as it’s getting better.

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On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, 30 June 2016 12:30 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Iphone 6+ having bluetooth issues

Hi Moses, I have had varying issues with all brands.  Plantronics I find to be 
the most reliable, Era by Jawbone is stylish but not as astable.  All seem 
better in the latest public beta release so yes I’d expect a better result with 
the next maintenance update.

On Jun 29, 2016, at 8:18 AM, NCBM Moses Choo 
mailto:mosesc...@ncbm.org.my>> wrote:

Thanks,  will such things happen on other headphones as well?  I have already 
bought 2 headphones  and both also has given me problems.  If the problem 
persists, no point buying another headphone.   I do hope this will be solved 
with the next IOS.

Moses.



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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 5:53 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Iphone 6+ having bluetooth issues
Yeah I’ve had this similar happen with my iPhone 6splus and the voyager edge

Try playing with the audio routing. Which can be enabled to the roter

From: 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of NCBM Moses Choo
Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2016 12:58 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Iphone 6+ having bluetooth issues

Dear all,

Anyone out there having bluetooth issues?

I use the following bluetooth earphones.

The  Jabra Boost and the Voyager Edge from Pentronics

The pairing has no issue at all. In fact, it pairs rather quickly. However, the 
issues are:

1.During a call, the earphone can automatically get disconnected.

2.   at times, the phone is connected (assistance from sighted person) however, 
no sound comes from either the speaker nor the earphone.

3.There are times  that voiceover will breakup.

Tried turning on and off the phone,
Tried removing  and repairing,
tried  resetting all network settings,
tried  turning on and off airplainmode,

I did not experience all these with earlier IOS versions.


Would appreciate some info from members here.

Thanks in advance

Moses Choo.
Malaysia



As of 1st January 2016, NCBM has moved into a new office.

MAJLIS KEBANGSAAN BAGI ORANG BUTA, MALAYSIA
National Council for the Blind, Malaysia
Unit 13-8, 13th floor,
Menara Sentral Vista,
No. 150, Jalan Sultan Abdulsamad,
Brickfields,
50470, Kuala Lumpur.
Malaysia.

Tel   22762973
Fax  22761653

WEB   www.ncbm.org.my<http://www.ncbm.org.my/>

Email for general enquiry  i...@ncbm.org.my<mailto:i...@ncbm.org.my>



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Re: still having trouble with mail

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Have you checked if view deleted messages is on? This is in the view menu. I 
have also on occasion had the Unread smart folder not allow me to delete from 
it.


Best wishes,

Jonathan



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> Hi all,
> I have cleaned out my mail folder on my mack but when I close out the mail 
> folder all those messages I have deleted are still there.  What am I doing 
> wrong , an also there are still a lot of the same messages that I have 
> deleted on my mack are also on my phone.  It is frustrating me.
> Any help would be great .
> Thanks again 
> Becky Sabo 
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Still having problems with Busy mail

[Kristeen Hughes]

I have repaired permissions. I have reset PRAM. I am writing an E-mail on this 
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having issues adding short cut key

[Raymond Foret Jr]

When I try to add a short cut for Add Sender to Contacts, it doesn't seem to 
work.  Here's what I'm doing.

1.  Go in to Mail menus and examine how "Add Sender to Contacts" is written 
exatly.

2.  Open System preferences.

3.  Click on Keyboard and then click on Short cuts.
4.  Go down to the apps short cuts table item.

5.  Click add.

6.  Now, choose the mail app.

8.  Next, I type in "Add Sender to Contacts" without the quotes and exactly as 
shown.

9.  Now, I VO+right to where I press the key combination I want to use, say for 
example Shift+Command+a.  
10.  Next, I click add.  No matter what, though, I can't seem to check it.

Any advice?

Running 10.11.2




!

Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

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Anyone else having issues with Netflix?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

So I thought Netflix recently lost a lawsuit and is supposed to be becoming 
more accessible?

I keep having problems accessing it from my Apple TV.  When I click on either 
my husband's or my profile, I'm taken to the Popular on Netflix screen, and 
there doesn't seem to be any way to access the recently viewed shows in that 
profile.  Is anyone else experiencing this?  Anyone know of a solution?
TIA,
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having trouble installing High Sierra beta

[Scott Berry]

Hello there,

Has anyone has trouble installing the High Sierra Beta?  I get an error that 
says that the restore server has problems and can’t be accessed.  Is there any 
suggestions on how to get around this.  In case the suggestion is to report 
this I already did in the Sierra beta since it was an upgrade issue.


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Having trouble accessing voiceover users guide

[Robert Hill]

Hi all,

I updated to High Sierra on Tuesday.

I am having trouble accessing the VoiceOver  User guide using the VoiceOver 
help menu.

I can get to the web site, but am unable to read the guide.
I can find a button to browse the table of contents, but nothing seems to 
happen when I press VO-space to activate the button.

Is anyone else having issues with this, or am I just having a senior 
moment/hour, or what?

Thanks for any any assistance.

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Anyone Having a Problem with Nightowl?

[Brandon Olivares]

For the last two days, any time I open NightOwl, it asks me to reauthenticate 
Twitter. Which is fine, but the page to do so doesn’t actually load, and it 
constantly plays the error sound again and again and again. I’m unable to do 
anything else.

Is anyone else having this problem?

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Re: having issues with time and voiceover

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Liam,

It sounds as though your time zone is set incorrectly in System Preferences.

Go to the Date and Time pane in System Preferences, and select the second tab, 
Time Zone. If you navigate right, you'll find a combo box in which you can 
enter your nearest city. I'm sure London would work just fine.

Cheers,

Anne


On Jun 10, 2010, at 5:06 PM, DJ Nezumi wrote:

> hi to all
> i was wondering if anyone could help.
> a few months back the clocks went forward in the UK but i am unable to
> change the time on my mac.
> when i correct the time and click save voiceover freezes for several
> minutes and eventualy works again. i'm not sure how exactly i get it
> to work but i do the usual things, e.g. command f5.
> whenever i restart my computer or turn it off for any reason the time
> resets to being an hour ahead. this keeps occuring.
> does anyone have any idea how i can stop this from happening?
> thanks
> Liam
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automatically having incoming messages read i nIChat

[Mary Otten]

There has been some talk about IM clients lately and I thought folks might be 
interested in something I just learned about yesterday on another Mac-related 
list. You can get your incoming IChat messages read out to you by opening the 
Ichat preferences (command comma when in Ichat. There is an events pop up 
button which you activate with the space bar and then arrow down the list of 
events until you hear message received and press enter. There is a series of 
choices found by vo right arrowing. One of those options, the last one in the 
group is speak an announcement. that's a misleading label, because what this 
actually does is to read the incoming message. check that check box and your 
incoming messages will be read automatically. You can apparently adjust the 
speed of the reading by the system preferences, speech area, but I haven't 
looked for that yet so can't report. By default, at least on my system, the 
voice used was Alex, but the speech rate was really slow. Since I have had the 
problem with VO crashing in the Ichat html area, I was very glad to hear about 
this method of hearing incoming messages. there appears to be a lot of 
customization that you can do in Ichat. there are several events in that events 
pop up menu, and you dcan assign sounds to them or speak announcements etc. 
Hope that helps somebody.

mary

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Re: a voice over issue I'm having

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

I've seen VoiceOver crash as well if you're typing extremely fast on the 
keyboard, switching back and forth. If you end up doing something just a bit 
too fast, it can crash too. It's really hard to describe and even harder to 
introduce.

As to your own problem, I've seen it on webpages. I've already given Apple a 
thorough explanation as to what is going on. You can, however, try hitting 
VO-Command-F8 to start VoiceOver Quick Start. That sometimes gets it back up 
and running.

Regards,
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On Mar 24, 2010, at 7:24 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> hello to all. sorry about the cross [posting but I'm having a strange voice 
> over issue. it has happens when I'm selecting a huge document with shift up 
> arrow or I'm arrowing through a huge document or email. also it happens when 
> I arrow through folders and sometimes it just happens. here is the link to 
> how I describe what's going on.
> 
> http://twaud.io/5kd
> 
> I'm running the latest everything so don't know what's up.
> 
> 
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Re: a voice over issue I'm having

[Sarah Alawami]

and if not am I stuck doign a power cycle?

Thanks.
On Mar 24, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I've seen VoiceOver crash as well if you're typing extremely fast on the 
> keyboard, switching back and forth. If you end up doing something just a bit 
> too fast, it can crash too. It's really hard to describe and even harder to 
> introduce.
> 
> As to your own problem, I've seen it on webpages. I've already given Apple a 
> thorough explanation as to what is going on. You can, however, try hitting 
> VO-Command-F8 to start VoiceOver Quick Start. That sometimes gets it back up 
> and running.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
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> On Mar 24, 2010, at 7:24 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> hello to all. sorry about the cross [posting but I'm having a strange voice 
>> over issue. it has happens when I'm selecting a huge document with shift up 
>> arrow or I'm arrowing through a huge document or email. also it happens when 
>> I arrow through folders and sometimes it just happens. here is the link to 
>> how I describe what's going on.
>> 
>> http://twaud.io/5kd
>> 
>> I'm running the latest everything so don't know what's up.
>> 
>> 
>> Sarah Alawami
>> marri...@gmail.com
>> msn: chell...@hotmail.com
>> website: http://music.marrie.org
>> twitter: http://twitter.com/marrie1
>> podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com/feeds
>> 
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Re: a voice over issue I'm having

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

Unfortunately, that seems to be the last resort. Of course, you usually don't 
lose any data. Text Edit has autosave if you enable it, and every time I've 
been busy writing an e-mail, I've been put right back at the point where it 
crashed when I launch Mail after a reboot, cursor and all. And if that doesn't  
happen, it goes to Drafts.

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On Mar 25, 2010, at 8:11 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> and if not am I stuck doign a power cycle?
> 
> Thanks.
> On Mar 24, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I've seen VoiceOver crash as well if you're typing extremely fast on the 
>> keyboard, switching back and forth. If you end up doing something just a bit 
>> too fast, it can crash too. It's really hard to describe and even harder to 
>> introduce.
>> 
>> As to your own problem, I've seen it on webpages. I've already given Apple a 
>> thorough explanation as to what is going on. You can, however, try hitting 
>> VO-Command-F8 to start VoiceOver Quick Start. That sometimes gets it back up 
>> and running.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
>> Skype: Kvalme
>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>> AIM: cincinster
>> yahoo Messenger: cin368
>> Facebook Profile
>> My Twitter
>> 
>> On Mar 24, 2010, at 7:24 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>>> hello to all. sorry about the cross [posting but I'm having a strange voice 
>>> over issue. it has happens when I'm selecting a huge document with shift up 
>>> arrow or I'm arrowing through a huge document or email. also it happens 
>>> when I arrow through folders and sometimes it just happens. here is the 
>>> link to how I describe what's going on.
>>> 
>>> http://twaud.io/5kd
>>> 
>>> I'm running the latest everything so don't know what's up.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sarah Alawami
>>> marri...@gmail.com
>>> msn: chell...@hotmail.com
>>> website: http://music.marrie.org
>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/marrie1
>>> podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com/feeds
>>> 
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Re: a voice over issue I'm having

[Sarah Alawami]

yeah so have I. not sure if I have audo saved on in text edit. I'll have to 
test that. hopefully it won't happen when I give my speech today. Growl!

S
On Mar 25, 2010, at 12:25 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Unfortunately, that seems to be the last resort. Of course, you usually don't 
> lose any data. Text Edit has autosave if you enable it, and every time I've 
> been busy writing an e-mail, I've been put right back at the point where it 
> crashed when I launch Mail after a reboot, cursor and all. And if that 
> doesn't  happen, it goes to Drafts.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
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> My Twitter
> 
> On Mar 25, 2010, at 8:11 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> and if not am I stuck doign a power cycle?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> On Mar 24, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I've seen VoiceOver crash as well if you're typing extremely fast on the 
>>> keyboard, switching back and forth. If you end up doing something just a 
>>> bit too fast, it can crash too. It's really hard to describe and even 
>>> harder to introduce.
>>> 
>>> As to your own problem, I've seen it on webpages. I've already given Apple 
>>> a thorough explanation as to what is going on. You can, however, try 
>>> hitting VO-Command-F8 to start VoiceOver Quick Start. That sometimes gets 
>>> it back up and running.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Nic
>>> Skype: Kvalme
>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>>> AIM: cincinster
>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368
>>> Facebook Profile
>>> My Twitter
>>> 
>>> On Mar 24, 2010, at 7:24 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>> 
>>>> hello to all. sorry about the cross [posting but I'm having a strange 
>>>> voice over issue. it has happens when I'm selecting a huge document with 
>>>> shift up arrow or I'm arrowing through a huge document or email. also it 
>>>> happens when I arrow through folders and sometimes it just happens. here 
>>>> is the link to how I describe what's going on.
>>>> 
>>>> http://twaud.io/5kd
>>>> 
>>>> I'm running the latest everything so don't know what's up.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sarah Alawami
>>>> marri...@gmail.com
>>>> msn: chell...@hotmail.com
>>>> website: http://music.marrie.org
>>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/marrie1
>>>> podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com/feeds
>>>> 
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uninstalling safari 4 beta after having problems

[Dean Adams]

Hey All,
 After installing safari 4 beta and trying it and found that 
it caused all sorts of problems in webpages and mail I have had to 
uninstall safari 4 beta and return it back to version 3 and all is 
back to normal now I am using a Powerbook G4 with 768mb of ram and 
soon to update the memory to 1.2GB of ram after searching to net and 
using dave's webpage suggestion I have come across maxfixit.com.au 
and they have a great rang of upgrades from hard drives to memory. I 
am using an external usb dvd burner which is a lg usb dvd burner, 
still getting used to Vo and the way the mac works but getting there gradually.
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RE: having some really weird network problems.

[Jonathan Cohn]

Sounds almost like duplicate Ip issues, which should not happen if you
are using DHCP. Try reissueing your lease. Also, do you use NAT on your
router?

Sent from my Windows Mobile phone

From: Oriol Gómez 
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 12:38 PM
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Subject: having some really weird network problems.
Hi all,
I'm having some very very weird network issues.
I use a router with dhcp enabled and I have my windows box configured
to connect to it.
As soon as I connect my mac to the same wireless, internet dies on my
windows box in a way that I am able to use my open connections but I
can't open new ones such as creating websites etc.
If I disconnect the mac it stays the same way until I power cycle the router.
Has anyone else experienced this?
It seems very weird to me.

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Re: having some really weird network problems.

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

If it's not a dhcp issue like jon suggested, could it be that one
device is 11g and the other is 11n? You can get weird issues when some
routers try and do boh standards at once, the solution being to switch
to g only.

On 11/12/2010, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> Sounds almost like duplicate Ip issues, which should not happen if you
> are using DHCP. Try reissueing your lease. Also, do you use NAT on your
> router?
>
> Sent from my Windows Mobile phone
>
> From: Oriol Gómez 
> Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 12:38 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: having some really weird network problems.
> Hi all,
> I'm having some very very weird network issues.
> I use a router with dhcp enabled and I have my windows box configured
> to connect to it.
> As soon as I connect my mac to the same wireless, internet dies on my
> windows box in a way that I am able to use my open connections but I
> can't open new ones such as creating websites etc.
> If I disconnect the mac it stays the same way until I power cycle the
> router.
> Has anyone else experienced this?
> It seems very weird to me.
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Re: having some really weird network problems.

[Oriol Gómez]

well funny thign is my computer is connecting through cable which
shouldnt have problems. it seems as though my mac is killing the
router and I don't think I'm having ip issues. I tried switching to
using dhcp with manual address and put a new IP in, but I can't close
that dialog and I'm kinda stuck.

On 12/11/10, Ben Mustill-Rose  wrote:
> If it's not a dhcp issue like jon suggested, could it be that one
> device is 11g and the other is 11n? You can get weird issues when some
> routers try and do boh standards at once, the solution being to switch
> to g only.
>
> On 11/12/2010, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> Sounds almost like duplicate Ip issues, which should not happen if you
>> are using DHCP. Try reissueing your lease. Also, do you use NAT on your
>> router?
>>
>> Sent from my Windows Mobile phone
>>
>> From: Oriol Gómez 
>> Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 12:38 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: having some really weird network problems.
>> Hi all,
>> I'm having some very very weird network issues.
>> I use a router with dhcp enabled and I have my windows box configured
>> to connect to it.
>> As soon as I connect my mac to the same wireless, internet dies on my
>> windows box in a way that I am able to use my open connections but I
>> can't open new ones such as creating websites etc.
>> If I disconnect the mac it stays the same way until I power cycle the
>> router.
>> Has anyone else experienced this?
>> It seems very weird to me.
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Re: having some really weird network problems.

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

The non closing dialog really does make it sound like a ip issue. I
don't know the mac command, but I'd try an ipconfig /release then an
ipconfig /renew on both computers.
Failing that, make sure that both devices are set to use dhcp, clear
any reservations on the router side, reset the router and see what
happens.

On 11/12/2010, Oriol Gómez  wrote:
> well funny thign is my computer is connecting through cable which
> shouldnt have problems. it seems as though my mac is killing the
> router and I don't think I'm having ip issues. I tried switching to
> using dhcp with manual address and put a new IP in, but I can't close
> that dialog and I'm kinda stuck.
>
> On 12/11/10, Ben Mustill-Rose  wrote:
>> If it's not a dhcp issue like jon suggested, could it be that one
>> device is 11g and the other is 11n? You can get weird issues when some
>> routers try and do boh standards at once, the solution being to switch
>> to g only.
>>
>> On 11/12/2010, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>>> Sounds almost like duplicate Ip issues, which should not happen if you
>>> are using DHCP. Try reissueing your lease. Also, do you use NAT on your
>>> router?
>>>
>>> Sent from my Windows Mobile phone
>>>
>>> From: Oriol Gómez 
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 12:38 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: having some really weird network problems.
>>> Hi all,
>>> I'm having some very very weird network issues.
>>> I use a router with dhcp enabled and I have my windows box configured
>>> to connect to it.
>>> As soon as I connect my mac to the same wireless, internet dies on my
>>> windows box in a way that I am able to use my open connections but I
>>> can't open new ones such as creating websites etc.
>>> If I disconnect the mac it stays the same way until I power cycle the
>>> router.
>>> Has anyone else experienced this?
>>> It seems very weird to me.
>>>
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Re: having issues downloading drop box files

[matthew dyer]

Ray,

Did you try copying and pasteing the link in to safary or web kit.
This usualy works for me.

Matthew



On 12/19/10, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> A friend sent me four drop box files via public links.  Problem is I could
> only download one of them.  I interacted with the message text and focused
> on the link.  then, I opened the short cut menu.  From there, I chose
> "download linked file".  this only worked for one.  It would not work for
> any other.  I noticed that the links are broken up in to two lines.  Any way
> to deal with this?
>
>
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>
> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
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Re: having issues downloading drop box files

[Joel Zimba]

Well, if you click "accept" they willappear in your dropbox folder.   
Pretty slick!

Joel


On 12/21/2010 1:34 PM, matthew dyer wrote:

Ray,

Did you try copying and pasteing the link in to safary or web kit.
This usualy works for me.

Matthew



On 12/19/10, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

Hi,

A friend sent me four drop box files via public links.  Problem is I could
only download one of them.  I interacted with the message text and focused
on the link.  then, I opened the short cut menu.  From there, I chose
"download linked file".  this only worked for one.  It would not work for
any other.  I noticed that the links are broken up in to two lines.  Any way
to deal with this?


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Re: having issues downloading drop box files

[Ray Foret Jr]

IF I copy the link in to Safari or Web kit, how then do I download the file?


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On Dec 21, 2010, at 12:34 PM, matthew dyer wrote:

> Ray,
> 
> Did you try copying and pasteing the link in to safary or web kit.
> This usualy works for me.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/19/10, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> A friend sent me four drop box files via public links.  Problem is I could
>> only download one of them.  I interacted with the message text and focused
>> on the link.  then, I opened the short cut menu.  From there, I chose
>> "download linked file".  this only worked for one.  It would not work for
>> any other.  I noticed that the links are broken up in to two lines.  Any way
>> to deal with this?
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
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Re: having issues downloading drop box files

[Ray Foret Jr]

Clic accept?  What do you mean?


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On Dec 21, 2010, at 1:44 PM, Joel Zimba wrote:

> Well, if you click "accept" they willappear in your dropbox folder.   Pretty 
> slick!
> Joel
> 
> 
> On 12/21/2010 1:34 PM, matthew dyer wrote:
>> Ray,
>> 
>> Did you try copying and pasteing the link in to safary or web kit.
>> This usualy works for me.
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/19/10, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> A friend sent me four drop box files via public links.  Problem is I could
>>> only download one of them.  I interacted with the message text and focused
>>> on the link.  then, I opened the short cut menu.  From there, I chose
>>> "download linked file".  this only worked for one.  It would not work for
>>> any other.  I noticed that the links are broken up in to two lines.  Any way
>>> to deal with this?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>> 
>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>> 
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Re: having issues downloading drop box files

[Esther]

Hi Ray,

I don't understand the source of this problem, but in general, if you copy a link to the 
Safari or Web Kit address bar, by using Command-C, navigate to the address bar with 
Command-L, then paste with Command-V, and highlight the address again with Command-L, you 
can press Return and the linked entry should download.  The step of highlighting the link 
(final Command-L), makes the action of pressing "Return" act like pressing 
Option+Return on a link to force downloading.  This is why, if you activated a link and 
started playing an mp3 file you meant to download, or else displayed a PDF in your 
browser that you meant to download, simply using Command-L, and pressing return will 
force the file in the Safari plug-in to download -- you highlighted the file with the 
Command-L.

HTH.  Obviously if there are problems with broken links as the source of your 
download problems this won't fix them.

Cheers,

Esther

On Dec 21, 2010, at 10:34 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

IF I copy the link in to Safari or Web kit, how then do I download the file?



On Dec 21, 2010, at 12:34 PM, matthew dyer wrote:


Ray,

Did you try copying and pasteing the link in to safary or web kit.
This usualy works for me.

Matthew



On 12/19/10, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

Hi,

A friend sent me four drop box files via public links. Problem is I could
only download one of them. I interacted with the message text and focused
on the link. then, I opened the short cut menu. From there, I chose
"download linked file". this only worked for one. It would not work for
any other. I noticed that the links are broken up in to two lines. Any way
to deal with this?


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!



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Having trouble sharing a link on FB

[Kevin Gibbs]

Guys,
This is my first post on my new Mac Mini.  I'm actually doing okay.
One problem I'm having is the inability to share videos that I find on
other people's walls and which I want to post to my own profile.  I
choose the share button and I can see the dialog that comes up.
Unfortunately, the only way I can hit the Share button in that dialog
is to turn Voiceover off and use my vision to move the mouse to the
share button and tap on my Magic Trackpad.  Clearly, that's not the
way to do this.  Also, I can't figure out how to put a comment in the
comment box that is in the share dialog that comes up when I hit the
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Re: Having a bit of folder confusion

[Chris Blouch]

As far as I know the users folder only exists in one place and they is 
usually on the drive with the OS you booted from. So it sounds like you 
have two copies but one of them is probably not being used.


CB

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Hi.

I have two drives inside my Mini, which I have named Mac HD for the 
system volume and Mac Data for my datavolume.  The way the computer 
came, the home folder is located in the Mac Data drive volume, with 
the usual tree:  users, Bill, desktop, documents, downloads, music, 
etc.  But on the Mac HD system folder these folders also exist, users, 
bill, desktop, etc., and I don't think they are aliases because the 
data in my home folders is not also mirrored in these folders.


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Having the hardest time playing tree world.

[Jessica Moss]

I found this through the Via app, and have no idea why it was even there, sense 
have the buttons are either unlabeled, or the words are so run together I can't 
make sense of them.  If I can manage to tell it to plant the magic acorn it 
finds, after that, it just sits there and everything else is dimmed, and Ll I 
see after that is a bunch of numbers.
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Re: to the person having bookshare problems

[Christine Grassman]

Thanks, but they always have worked for me, and in fact, those I never opened 
before do work, while others that I have read before do not. 
Christine

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>   If you are trying to open .xml files on saphari this never works for 
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Having Voiceover speak on Yosemite login screen

[Edward Green]

Hi,

Apologies if this has been posted before, I’ve tried to check but the Yosemite 
traffic has obviously been fairly busy.

I’ve enabled file vault after installing Yosemite, meaning that I need to enter 
a password when I turn on my Macbook.  However, Voiceover isn’t speaking on the 
login screen.

Can I change this somewhere?

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having 2 windows open when moving files

[Lorie McCloud]

I have my view set to list because it’s easier to tell where I am. this 
requires me to back out of a drive closing windows as I go. is it possible to 
have a window open in the drive I’m copying from as well as in the one I’m 
copying to? several times I’ve thought I picked up a file and when I went to 
drop it in the other drive, nothing copied.it  seems to copy 
from the hard drive to the Mac but not the other way around. 

I tried to open up a new finder window but it opens on top of my other window 
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having problems removing items from the trash

[Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona]

Hello I am running in to a odd issue,  when I go to empty the trash I 
have a choice to remove unlocked items
how ever when I go to do that it can't remove it and claims its being 
used by another program when it isn't how do I force these items out of 
the trash?

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Re: having issues adding short cut key

[Raymond Foret Jr]

Never mind.  Just solved it.  Thanks anyhow...

Sorry for the bother.

!

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built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

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iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

> On Dec 28, 2015, at 10:09 PM, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> When I try to add a short cut for Add Sender to Contacts, it doesn't seem to 
> work.  Here's what I'm doing.
> 
> 1.  Go in to Mail menus and examine how "Add Sender to Contacts" is written 
> exatly.
> 
> 2.  Open System preferences.
> 
> 3.  Click on Keyboard and then click on Short cuts.
> 4.  Go down to the apps short cuts table item.
> 
> 5.  Click add.
> 
> 6.  Now, choose the mail app.
> 
> 8.  Next, I type in "Add Sender to Contacts" without the quotes and exactly 
> as shown.
> 
> 9.  Now, I VO+right to where I press the key combination I want to use, say 
> for example Shift+Command+a.  
> 10.  Next, I click add.  No matter what, though, I can't seem to check it.
> 
> Any advice?
> 
> Running 10.11.2
> 
> 
> 
> 
> !
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
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Having voiceover speak selected text in iOS

[Phil Halton]

Is there a command I can use to have voiceover speak whatever text happens to 
be selected? I'm working in the notes app and would like to be able to hear 
what text is actually selected.


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Having trouble reading a document with VO

[denise avant]

Hello all,
I have some rather lengthy documents to review. I’m using text edit to read 
these documents.
So, if I am on page 3 of a document, and want to do a read from the cursor to 
the end of the document, rather than starting where I have arrowed to, VO 
starts reading several paragraphs back when I do VO-a.
Initially, I thought this was an MS Word issue. But even when I switch to text 
edit, the problem persists.
Has anyone seen this issue? thanks.
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Re: Anyone else having issues with Netflix?

[Scott Granados]

Donna, I think Netflix is more interested in making payroll at this point.:)  
They are in a very tight position right now.  They have to pay for creating 
their own content and are competing with Amazon who has enough spare money in 
their couch cushions to burry netflix.  For example, they (Netflix) just paid 
Chris Rock 40 million for 3 hours of programming.  I have also heard they have 
cut their catalog in half in recent days.  I’m not saying they will go under 
tomorrow but they aren’t the high fliers they were a short time ago.  
Unfortunately, accessibility usually takes a back seat when they are more 
concerned with things like keeping the lights on.


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> Hi all,
> 
> So I thought Netflix recently lost a lawsuit and is supposed to be becoming 
> more accessible?
> 
> I keep having problems accessing it from my Apple TV.  When I click on either 
> my husband's or my profile, I'm taken to the Popular on Netflix screen, and 
> there doesn't seem to be any way to access the recently viewed shows in that 
> profile.  Is anyone else experiencing this?  Anyone know of a solution?
> TIA,
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