Re: Airport Time-capsule

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Overall, it should be just fine for whatever people wish to do.  Sure, you can 
have 10 GB performance with newer, more modern routers, but the bottleneck is 
your Internet connection.  The fastest residential Internet connections, for 
the most part, is 1 GB or less.  The Airport Extreme and Airport Time Capsules 
will support that speed just fine.  Yes, the processor speed of the newer 
routers is far superior, but, again, for most people's Internet and other web 
activity, that just fine.  The basic firewall in these Airport units will also 
stop most attackers.  Apple no longer makes these devices, but has continued to 
release firmware updates throughout the last number of years to patch security 
vulnerbiliies and to keep up with any problems.  The wireless AC protocol is 
supported on these devices and I've seen WiFi speeds of 1.3 Gb internally when 
connected.

So, all this being said, no, it is not the latest and greatest.  No, it does 
not have the fastest processors, but in my opinion, for the vast majority of 
users, it's still a viable and useful product that will give you quality speed 
and security.

JMO.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 26, 2019, at 09:29, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
Depends on who you’re asking.
I think its ok for my purpose but its no longer made.
/A

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Re: Airport Time-capsule

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Depends on who you’re asking.
I think its ok for my purpose but its no longer made.
/A

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> So, is the AirPort Extreme also a dinosaur?
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RE: Airport Time-capsule

[Simon A Fogarty]

Dave

A simple idea to think about

If it aint broken
Don’t fix it!
Or don’t F with it.

The router you buy today will be updated by something else tomorrow.

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Sent: Saturday, 26 October 2019 3:58 PM
To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Airport Time-capsule

Okay Simon. Still have the Airport Extreme and a 2 Tb Lacie drive attached for 
Time Machine backups. Satisfied for no, unless a newer router from Brand X-Y-Z 
is so good as to tempt me away.

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RE: Airport Time-capsule

[Simon A Fogarty]

Well if you have 10 Gb connectivity
Then that’s the one to go for.

LOL,
Don’t buy the most expensive
What you require will be in the middle of any device range,

Think carefully about what you have in your device list at home and what you 
want to be able to do / have providing service to those devices.
The top of the line will be more than you require and most likely more than the 
average household would be both provided from the ISP and more than the devices 
currently available will handle.
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Saturday, 26 October 2019 4:32 PM
To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Airport Time-capsule

Cool. I see several Netgear models ranging from $99 to $599. Speeds ranging 
from 1.8 Gb to 10.2 Gb. Nothing more in our home than a smart TV and three 
computers, two iPhones, and an iPad, plus a Wireless irrigation controller. So 
far our AirPort Extreme seems to be handling the traffic just fine, so what 
would be a good one to look for when the AE finally dies?

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Re: Airport Time-capsule

[Dane Trethowan]

If you’re happy with what you have then there’s probably no reason to change.
My Rooter is 4 years old now and since I bought it my network has expanded at a 
rapid rate to the point where you notice the Rooter struggling to manage and 
process data from coming in all directions.


> On 26 Oct 2019, at 2:32 pm, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Cool. I see several Netgear models ranging from $99 to $599. Speeds ranging 
> from 1.8 Gb to 10.2 Gb. Nothing more in our home than a smart TV and three 
> computers, two iPhones, and an iPad, plus a Wireless irrigation controller. 
> So far our AirPort Extreme seems to be handling the traffic just fine, so 
> what would be a good one to look for when the AE finally dies?
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Re: Airport Time-capsule

[Dane Trethowan]

A very good reason in my case which I’ve already outlined.
The other reason is that the storage of the unit I have is a fraction of what I 
need now.
Yes, I could extend by plugging in extra drives but that slows everything down 
more again.
The New Mycloud drives from WD are cheap as chips now, cost me $199 for a 4TB 
unit.
Whilst these drives aren’t Rooters they do far more and are exactly what the 
Time Capsule should have been, a Time Capsule backup, a media streamer, a local 
Cloud drive, completely programmable with SHHH etc.


> On 26 Oct 2019, at 1:38 pm, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
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> But is that a reason to say it wont work as a back up drive any longer?
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Saturday, 26 October 2019 10:27 AM
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> Hi,
> The Airport Time Capsule has come and gone in the scheme of things here for a 
> variety of reasons.
> The device used to be my main rooter however technology has passed it by and 
> the rooter I’m now using is far more efficient when it comes to handling 
> Network traffic, far more secure etc.
> My Time Capsule is a 1TB version which is now dwarfed by my WD Mycloud 
> Network drive which I use for a Time Capsule backup.
> Apple haven’t been developing the Time Capsule or other Airport devices for 
> quite some time.
> 
> 
>> On 26 Oct 2019, at 4:15 am, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hello,
>> I just got my Airport Time Capsule out of storage.
>> Thinking about setting it up again.
>> Is it still worth using?
>> What are the most recent updates?
>> Thanks.
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Re: Airport Time-capsule

[Dave Carlson]

Cool. I see several Netgear models ranging from $99 to $599. Speeds ranging 
from 1.8 Gb to 10.2 Gb. Nothing more in our home than a smart TV and three 
computers, two iPhones, and an iPad, plus a Wireless irrigation controller. So 
far our AirPort Extreme seems to be handling the traffic just fine, so what 
would be a good one to look for when the AE finally dies?

Dave Carlson
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Re: Airport Time-capsule

[Dane Trethowan]

Yes, the old Time Capsule would work but it would slow down my Network 
considerably compared to what I’m using now.
Actually one could say those Time Capsules were made to withstand the test of 
time, very good construction, very good quality hard drive etc.


> On 26 Oct 2019, at 1:44 pm, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi Dave,
>  
> not so much a dinosaur,
>  
> apple stopped making their router and airport devices a few years ago now,
> they haven’t replaced them with anything 
>  
> as for the time machine device,
> there is no reason why the storage / backup device wouldn’t work with your 
> devices now.
> And around the house the airport express and streme should work fine as 
> access points but they aren’t what I’d use for connecting to the internet
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
> Sent: Saturday, 26 October 2019 2:57 PM
> To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: Airport Time-capsule
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> So, is the AirPort Extreme also a dinosaur?
> 
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Re: Airport Time-capsule

[Dane Trethowan]

Okay well firstly security, you want to get a Rooter that is of recent 
production as it has firmware to stop hackers getting into your systems, 
computers, backups or whatever else is on your network.
Modern-Day rooters can handle a larger amount of traffic than the Time Capsule, 
AirPort Extreme, Express etc were ever designed to cope with.
Modern-Day Rooters use faster CUP chips and can handle more Wi-Fi standards, 
LAN standards etc.


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Re: Airport Time-capsule

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Okay Simon. Still have the Airport Extreme and a 2 Tb Lacie drive attached for 
Time Machine backups. Satisfied for no, unless a newer router from Brand X-Y-Z 
is so good as to tempt me away.

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RE: Airport Time-capsule

[Simon A Fogarty]

The airport devices don’t actually exist on the market any longer,

What you have is what you get and nothing more.

As for what is the best option now,
The list is long and can be costly.

I’m using an R7000 Netgear Nighthawk router
But that’s old now even after 3 years.

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That’s amazing. What is/are the latest, and why so much better than an Apple 
AirPort Extreme?

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RE: Airport Time-capsule

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Dave,

not so much a dinosaur,

apple stopped making their router and airport devices a few years ago now,
they haven’t replaced them with anything

as for the time machine device,
there is no reason why the storage / backup device wouldn’t work with your 
devices now.
And around the house the airport express and streme should work fine as access 
points but they aren’t what I’d use for connecting to the internet



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So, is the AirPort Extreme also a dinosaur?

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RE: Airport Time-capsule

[Simon A Fogarty]

But is that a reason to say it wont work as a back up drive any longer?

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Hi,
The Airport Time Capsule has come and gone in the scheme of things here for a 
variety of reasons.
The device used to be my main rooter however technology has passed it by and 
the rooter I’m now using is far more efficient when it comes to handling 
Network traffic, far more secure etc.
My Time Capsule is a 1TB version which is now dwarfed by my WD Mycloud Network 
drive which I use for a Time Capsule backup.
Apple haven’t been developing the Time Capsule or other Airport devices for 
quite some time.


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Re: Airport Time-capsule

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That’s amazing. What is/are the latest, and why so much better than an Apple 
AirPort Extreme?

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Re: Airport Time-capsule

[Dane Trethowan]

Compared to modern-day rooters yes.


> On 26 Oct 2019, at 12:56 pm, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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Re: Airport Time-capsule

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So, is the AirPort Extreme also a dinosaur?

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Re: Airport Time-capsule

[Dane Trethowan]

Hi,
The Airport Time Capsule has come and gone in the scheme of things here for a 
variety of reasons.
The device used to be my main rooter however technology has passed it by and 
the rooter I’m now using is far more efficient when it comes to handling 
Network traffic, far more secure etc.
My Time Capsule is a 1TB version which is now dwarfed by my WD Mycloud Network 
drive which I use for a Time Capsule backup.
Apple haven’t been developing the Time Capsule or other Airport devices for 
quite some time.


> On 26 Oct 2019, at 4:15 am, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> I just got my Airport Time Capsule out of storage.
> Thinking about setting it up again.
> Is it still worth using?
> What are the most recent updates?
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Airport Time-capsule

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Hello,
I just got my Airport Time Capsule out of storage.
Thinking about setting it up again.
Is it still worth using?
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Re: Time capsule randomly reinitializing MacBook air Data running sierra

[John Panarese]

   I”ve had this occur on my iMac as well. I have no idea why it’s happening. 
It’s happened three times so far since Sierra.



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> On Nov 29, 2016, at 11:22 AM, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Two or three times since installing sierra I received the following time 
> machine notification.
> Time Machine completed a verification of your backups on “Phil's AirPort Time 
> Capsule”. To improve reliability, Time Machine must create a new backup for 
> you.
> Click Start New Backup to create a new backup. This will remove your existing 
> backup history. This could take several hours.
> 
> Click Back Up Later to be reminded tomorrow. Time Machine won’t perform 
> backups during this time.
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> I have a MacBook air and an iMac both sharing a 2 TB airport time capsule.  
> the iMac has been running back ups all the way back to December 2014, but the 
> MacBook Air keeps giving me the above message and  erasing and reinitializing 
> my MacBook air data. The latest MacBook Air reset was October 30th. The time 
> capsule still has 1.64 TB available, and that is used up entirely by the 
> iMac. 
> 
> I have checked the time capsule panel in system preferences on the MacBook 
> air, and see no reference to any problems as reported by the notifications 
> center. Any ideas why the MacBook air keeps resetting and reinitializing the 
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Time capsule randomly reinitializing MacBook air Data running sierra

[Phil Halton]

Two or three times since installing sierra I received the following time 
machine notification.
Time Machine completed a verification of your backups on “Phil's AirPort Time 
Capsule”. To improve reliability, Time Machine must create a new backup for you.
Click Start New Backup to create a new backup. This will remove your existing 
backup history. This could take several hours.

Click Back Up Later to be reminded tomorrow. Time Machine won’t perform backups 
during this time.


I have a MacBook air and an iMac both sharing a 2 TB airport time capsule.  the 
iMac has been running back ups all the way back to December 2014, but the 
MacBook Air keeps giving me the above message and  erasing and reinitializing 
my MacBook air data. The latest MacBook Air reset was October 30th. The time 
capsule still has 1.64 TB available, and that is used up entirely by the iMac. 

I have checked the time capsule panel in system preferences on the MacBook air, 
and see no reference to any problems as reported by the notifications center. 
Any ideas why the MacBook air keeps resetting and reinitializing the time 
capsule data back up?


Sent from my IPhone

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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Scott. It's quite clear to me that you know a lot more about the
who's who at this level than I do. I defer to you on this. I've just learned a 
lot, and I thank
you for that.

Seems to me if companies like Akamai, who I understand makes a business
of media delivery, are happy with, and perhaps even prefer open peering,
I see not reason not to support the approach. Besides, I've always been
disinclined to support King of the Hill monopolies.


Scott Granados writes:
> Well, first, I had actually built one of the first privately held rings so I 
> was bringing in circuits of all sizes.  I had a DS3 run in to my mother’s 
> house at one point where I started my first ISP and then we moved we went to 
> an OC12 then OC48 configuration with channel cards breaking out all sorts of 
> sized circuits.  That was huge bandwidth for the time.  We take for granted 
> now how difficult even 100 megabits was at one time to deliver.
> 
>   As for peering, we’re getting in the weeds but yes, I would be totally 
> fine with my Netflix delivered via open peering infrastructure.  In fact, I 
> believe Netflix does have a fairly open peering policy and will connect to 
> most networks who request it directly.  Certainly Akamai does this and they 
> distribute a ton of media and by a ton I mean 60+ terabits or more at a time 
> during peeks.  Apple computer is another open peering company, I have peered 
> with them several times.  Hurricane electric is most definitely another and 
> you already know how good their service is.  Most of your Asian players like 
> KDDI, Koreatel, China Telecom and on and on have very open peering policies.  
> Even NTT America is quote open as long as you meet in multiple places and 
> aren’t a customer.  Your real restrictive players are the big telecoms like 
> Verizon, Sprint, AT, Level3 and so forth.  For example, with level3 they 
> require meeting them in 15 cities with a gigabit or more traffic per location 
> and a ratio of no more than 1.5 to 1 traffic flows in each direction.  (This 
> policy is published so I’m not releasing anything proprietary here). That’s 
> pretty restrictive for most and probably made even more so since I’ve last 
> looked.  Open peering to me gives a better experience than these closed 
> models.  Closed models tend to suffer do to costs involved by paying 
> customers as well as big companies like your AT companies of the world just 
> don’t manage their peers very well at all.  Open peers get the traffic closer 
> to the end customer, fewer hops and you can simply not peer with customers as 
> a policy.  The big peering points like your Equinixes and Switch and Datas of 
> the world have very uncongested public peering switches which make it easy to 
> interconnect and reasonable cross connect prices for private interconnection. 
>  Two more very big examples of open peering are Google who peers with anybody 
> anywhere and Amazon.  I think their video distributes just fine.  I have a 
> Fire TV that delivers me uninterrupted very clean 4K video.  I’ve been 
> enjoying the new Grand Tour show which is the replacement show with the 3 top 
> gear guys and it’s delivered better, with more video data and better audio 
> than even my FIOS television boxes.  So yes, my answer stands, I would be 
> happy to receive my content via peered connection rather than paid 
> settlement.  I would assume that your googles and Amazons do meet the 
> requirements of UUNet and Sprint’s etc, when I traceroute to google from my 
> home here I go directly to UUNet then Google via a core port, not a customer 
> gateway so it looks to be settlement free.  More connections are better in 
> more places.;)
> 
>  
> 
> > On Nov 26, 2016, at 10:19 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Ah, T3. How I used to drool over those speeds--beyond the range of the
> > possible, and why would you ever need that much as a single user? 
> > And, here today's it's barely qualifying as broadband speed!
> > 
> > I hear you about open peering, but would you want your Netflicks stream
> > to come across that way? After all, the Internet's fundamental design
> > predicates asyncronous packet switching--kind of a problem where steady
> > throughput is a primary requirement.
> > 
> > Scott Granados writes:
> >> I’ll tell you what I remember about UUNet, $40,000 monthly for a DS3.:). 
> >> Seems like another life time ago.  Another thing I remember vividly about 
> >> UUNet was when they went from an open peering network to very closed and 
> >> depeered with everyone, including me.:). Then again I was always an open 
> >> peering guy myself but that’s me.
> >> 
> >> People still see Verizon on my resume and try to get me to point them at 
> >> someone who will be open to peering.
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 9:28 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Ah, WorldCom. How well 

Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

[Scott Granados]

Well, first, I had actually built one of the first privately held rings so I 
was bringing in circuits of all sizes.  I had a DS3 run in to my mother’s house 
at one point where I started my first ISP and then we moved we went to an OC12 
then OC48 configuration with channel cards breaking out all sorts of sized 
circuits.  That was huge bandwidth for the time.  We take for granted now how 
difficult even 100 megabits was at one time to deliver.

As for peering, we’re getting in the weeds but yes, I would be totally 
fine with my Netflix delivered via open peering infrastructure.  In fact, I 
believe Netflix does have a fairly open peering policy and will connect to most 
networks who request it directly.  Certainly Akamai does this and they 
distribute a ton of media and by a ton I mean 60+ terabits or more at a time 
during peeks.  Apple computer is another open peering company, I have peered 
with them several times.  Hurricane electric is most definitely another and you 
already know how good their service is.  Most of your Asian players like KDDI, 
Koreatel, China Telecom and on and on have very open peering policies.  Even 
NTT America is quote open as long as you meet in multiple places and aren’t a 
customer.  Your real restrictive players are the big telecoms like Verizon, 
Sprint, AT, Level3 and so forth.  For example, with level3 they require 
meeting them in 15 cities with a gigabit or more traffic per location and a 
ratio of no more than 1.5 to 1 traffic flows in each direction.  (This policy 
is published so I’m not releasing anything proprietary here). That’s pretty 
restrictive for most and probably made even more so since I’ve last looked.  
Open peering to me gives a better experience than these closed models.  Closed 
models tend to suffer do to costs involved by paying customers as well as big 
companies like your AT companies of the world just don’t manage their peers 
very well at all.  Open peers get the traffic closer to the end customer, fewer 
hops and you can simply not peer with customers as a policy.  The big peering 
points like your Equinixes and Switch and Datas of the world have very 
uncongested public peering switches which make it easy to interconnect and 
reasonable cross connect prices for private interconnection.  Two more very big 
examples of open peering are Google who peers with anybody anywhere and Amazon. 
 I think their video distributes just fine.  I have a Fire TV that delivers me 
uninterrupted very clean 4K video.  I’ve been enjoying the new Grand Tour show 
which is the replacement show with the 3 top gear guys and it’s delivered 
better, with more video data and better audio than even my FIOS television 
boxes.  So yes, my answer stands, I would be happy to receive my content via 
peered connection rather than paid settlement.  I would assume that your 
googles and Amazons do meet the requirements of UUNet and Sprint’s etc, when I 
traceroute to google from my home here I go directly to UUNet then Google via a 
core port, not a customer gateway so it looks to be settlement free.  More 
connections are better in more places.;)

 

> On Nov 26, 2016, at 10:19 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ah, T3. How I used to drool over those speeds--beyond the range of the
> possible, and why would you ever need that much as a single user? 
> And, here today's it's barely qualifying as broadband speed!
> 
> I hear you about open peering, but would you want your Netflicks stream
> to come across that way? After all, the Internet's fundamental design
> predicates asyncronous packet switching--kind of a problem where steady
> throughput is a primary requirement.
> 
> Scott Granados writes:
>> I’ll tell you what I remember about UUNet, $40,000 monthly for a DS3.:). 
>> Seems like another life time ago.  Another thing I remember vividly about 
>> UUNet was when they went from an open peering network to very closed and 
>> depeered with everyone, including me.:). Then again I was always an open 
>> peering guy myself but that’s me.
>> 
>> People still see Verizon on my resume and try to get me to point them at 
>> someone who will be open to peering.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 9:28 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah, WorldCom. How well I remember the days of dialup around the planet
>>> with my local access number for uu.net!
>>> 
>>> I had to place an international call for tech support on my first trip
>>> to Japan. I'd not previously encountered stutter tone as dialtone, and I
>>> couldn't remember the Hayes command to ignore and just dial. After that,
>>> I carried my Hayes commands around in a file, just in case.
>>> 
>>> Then there was that hotel in Birmingham, U.K. whith the funny terminator
>>> plug--never did learn its RJ number, but I still have the cable for some
>>> reason.
>>> 
>>> I didn't see the article you mention about mac 

Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Ah, T3. How I used to drool over those speeds--beyond the range of the
possible, and why would you ever need that much as a single user? 
And, here today's it's barely qualifying as broadband speed!

I hear you about open peering, but would you want your Netflicks stream
to come across that way? After all, the Internet's fundamental design
predicates asyncronous packet switching--kind of a problem where steady
throughput is a primary requirement.

Scott Granados writes:
> I’ll tell you what I remember about UUNet, $40,000 monthly for a DS3.:). 
> Seems like another life time ago.  Another thing I remember vividly about 
> UUNet was when they went from an open peering network to very closed and 
> depeered with everyone, including me.:). Then again I was always an open 
> peering guy myself but that’s me.
>  
> People still see Verizon on my resume and try to get me to point them at 
> someone who will be open to peering.
> 
> 
> > On Nov 26, 2016, at 9:28 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Ah, WorldCom. How well I remember the days of dialup around the planet
> > with my local access number for uu.net!
> > 
> > I had to place an international call for tech support on my first trip
> > to Japan. I'd not previously encountered stutter tone as dialtone, and I
> > couldn't remember the Hayes command to ignore and just dial. After that,
> > I carried my Hayes commands around in a file, just in case.
> > 
> > Then there was that hotel in Birmingham, U.K. whith the funny terminator
> > plug--never did learn its RJ number, but I still have the cable for some
> > reason.
> > 
> > I didn't see the article you mention about mac addresses, but they're
> > certainly spoofable. I have a Netgear 24 port switch around here
> > somewhere that supports spoofing mac addresses. As far as I'm aware,
> > though, none of mine are spoofed.
> > 
> > We are now past the day of IPv4 exhaustion, though:
> > 
> > http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/07/us-exhausts-new-ipv4-addresses-waitlist-begins/
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > 
> > Jonathan Cohn writes:
> >> Well, I am in Northern Virginia about 3 blocks away from where UUNET HQ 
> >> was in the 1990's. They eventually moved out west of Dulles Airport in 
> >> 1999 / 2000 after being bought by WorldCom. Why do I mention UUNET? 
> >> Because Verizon bought WorldCom for pennies on the dollar after fraudulent 
> >>  accounting was exposed.  Unless I am missing something, FIOS here in 
> >> Northern Virginia still does not have IPv6 capabilities. 
> >> 
> >> Did anybody see in that Arz Technica review about how IPv6 addresses in 
> >> MacOS are not linked to the MAC address?but are randomized for outgoing 
> >> connections? Is this standard practice now for IPv6?
> >> 
> >> 
> >>Best wishes,
> >> 
> >> Jonathan Cohn 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 9:02 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hi, Scott:
> >>> 
> >>> Wow! Believe it or not, I remember that Verizon IPv6 page. It gave me
> >>> hope while I still had FiOS at my last address over 5 years ago! As I
> >>> recall, they were testing dual stack with Verizon employees in Northern
> >>> Virginia.
> >>> 
> >>> What seems to be missing, and I went and looked, is anykind of timeline
> >>> or milestones. Years ago I had bookmarked a page where you could find
> >>> out where they were laying fiber next, state by state, but I no longer
> >>> have that link.
> >>> 
> >>> I do have the ARIN page for T-Mobile IPv6 for you, though:
> >>> 
> >>> http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET6-2607-FB90-1
> >>> 
> >>> So, any device you have on T-Mo should certainly have an address in the
> >>> 2607:FB90::/32 block. If it doesn't, I'd seriously look at the APNs
> >>> under Settings.
> >>> 
> >>> Janina
> >>> 
> >>> Scott Granados writes:
>  Hi Janina, here is a page detailing IPV6 on VZ.  This looks somewhat out 
>  of date but it’s the only thing I could find that’s officially from VZ.
>  
>  https://www.verizon.com/support/consumer/consumer-education/ipv6 
>  
>  
>  Also found a publication that shows IPV6 at about 80% deployed on the 
>  wireless network.  Talk about taking your sweet time!  Thanks for the 
>  T-Mobile pointer, I’m going to check that out now considering I have 
>  several data devices and it didn’t seem to be enabled.
>  
>  Thank you again
>  
> > On Nov 26, 2016, at 3:02 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > This is good to know, Scott. I'm glad they're finally rolling IPv6 on
> > FiOS. Do you know if they have a page documenting their rollout?
> > 
> > For the record Ipv6 is long since rolled out on T-Mobile across the
> > U.S., predating their rollout of LTE. Their prefix is 

Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

[Scott Granados]

I’ll tell you what I remember about UUNet, $40,000 monthly for a DS3.:). Seems 
like another life time ago.  Another thing I remember vividly about UUNet was 
when they went from an open peering network to very closed and depeered with 
everyone, including me.:). Then again I was always an open peering guy myself 
but that’s me.
 
People still see Verizon on my resume and try to get me to point them at 
someone who will be open to peering.


> On Nov 26, 2016, at 9:28 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ah, WorldCom. How well I remember the days of dialup around the planet
> with my local access number for uu.net!
> 
> I had to place an international call for tech support on my first trip
> to Japan. I'd not previously encountered stutter tone as dialtone, and I
> couldn't remember the Hayes command to ignore and just dial. After that,
> I carried my Hayes commands around in a file, just in case.
> 
> Then there was that hotel in Birmingham, U.K. whith the funny terminator
> plug--never did learn its RJ number, but I still have the cable for some
> reason.
> 
> I didn't see the article you mention about mac addresses, but they're
> certainly spoofable. I have a Netgear 24 port switch around here
> somewhere that supports spoofing mac addresses. As far as I'm aware,
> though, none of mine are spoofed.
> 
> We are now past the day of IPv4 exhaustion, though:
> 
> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/07/us-exhausts-new-ipv4-addresses-waitlist-begins/
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
> Jonathan Cohn writes:
>> Well, I am in Northern Virginia about 3 blocks away from where UUNET HQ was 
>> in the 1990's. They eventually moved out west of Dulles Airport in 1999 / 
>> 2000 after being bought by WorldCom. Why do I mention UUNET? Because Verizon 
>> bought WorldCom for pennies on the dollar after fraudulent  accounting was 
>> exposed.  Unless I am missing something, FIOS here in Northern Virginia 
>> still does not have IPv6 capabilities. 
>> 
>> Did anybody see in that Arz Technica review about how IPv6 addresses in 
>> MacOS are not linked to the MAC address?but are randomized for outgoing 
>> connections? Is this standard practice now for IPv6?
>> 
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 9:02 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, Scott:
>>> 
>>> Wow! Believe it or not, I remember that Verizon IPv6 page. It gave me
>>> hope while I still had FiOS at my last address over 5 years ago! As I
>>> recall, they were testing dual stack with Verizon employees in Northern
>>> Virginia.
>>> 
>>> What seems to be missing, and I went and looked, is anykind of timeline
>>> or milestones. Years ago I had bookmarked a page where you could find
>>> out where they were laying fiber next, state by state, but I no longer
>>> have that link.
>>> 
>>> I do have the ARIN page for T-Mobile IPv6 for you, though:
>>> 
>>> http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET6-2607-FB90-1
>>> 
>>> So, any device you have on T-Mo should certainly have an address in the
>>> 2607:FB90::/32 block. If it doesn't, I'd seriously look at the APNs
>>> under Settings.
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> Scott Granados writes:
 Hi Janina, here is a page detailing IPV6 on VZ.  This looks somewhat out 
 of date but it’s the only thing I could find that’s officially from VZ.
 
 https://www.verizon.com/support/consumer/consumer-education/ipv6 
 
 
 Also found a publication that shows IPV6 at about 80% deployed on the 
 wireless network.  Talk about taking your sweet time!  Thanks for the 
 T-Mobile pointer, I’m going to check that out now considering I have 
 several data devices and it didn’t seem to be enabled.
 
 Thank you again
 
> On Nov 26, 2016, at 3:02 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is good to know, Scott. I'm glad they're finally rolling IPv6 on
> FiOS. Do you know if they have a page documenting their rollout?
> 
> For the record Ipv6 is long since rolled out on T-Mobile across the
> U.S., predating their rollout of LTE. Their prefix is 2607:fb90 ... On
> some phones, you may need to configure the APN as per the instructions
> in this old page:
> 
> https://sites.google.com/site/tmoipv6/lg-mytouch
> 
> 
> Anecdotaly I can offer that the mobile roaming is working far better in
> recent months. Meaning, that once upon a time I would lose connectivity
> moving from my inhome wifi down my elevator and out the front door of my
> building. In the bad old days this even sometimes cancelled my Uber, and
> I had to rerequest my Uber ride. No more. Transitions are now perfectly
> smooth for me.
> 
> And, yes, Hurrican Electric rocks. If I ever need a colo server 

Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Ah, WorldCom. How well I remember the days of dialup around the planet
with my local access number for uu.net!

I had to place an international call for tech support on my first trip
to Japan. I'd not previously encountered stutter tone as dialtone, and I
couldn't remember the Hayes command to ignore and just dial. After that,
I carried my Hayes commands around in a file, just in case.

Then there was that hotel in Birmingham, U.K. whith the funny terminator
plug--never did learn its RJ number, but I still have the cable for some
reason.

I didn't see the article you mention about mac addresses, but they're
certainly spoofable. I have a Netgear 24 port switch around here
somewhere that supports spoofing mac addresses. As far as I'm aware,
though, none of mine are spoofed.

We are now past the day of IPv4 exhaustion, though:

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/07/us-exhausts-new-ipv4-addresses-waitlist-begins/

Janina


Jonathan Cohn writes:
> Well, I am in Northern Virginia about 3 blocks away from where UUNET HQ was 
> in the 1990's. They eventually moved out west of Dulles Airport in 1999 / 
> 2000 after being bought by WorldCom. Why do I mention UUNET? Because Verizon 
> bought WorldCom for pennies on the dollar after fraudulent  accounting was 
> exposed.  Unless I am missing something, FIOS here in Northern Virginia still 
> does not have IPv6 capabilities. 
> 
> Did anybody see in that Arz Technica review about how IPv6 addresses in MacOS 
> are not linked to the MAC address?but are randomized for outgoing 
> connections? Is this standard practice now for IPv6?
>  
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn 
> 
> 
> 
> > On Nov 26, 2016, at 9:02 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi, Scott:
> > 
> > Wow! Believe it or not, I remember that Verizon IPv6 page. It gave me
> > hope while I still had FiOS at my last address over 5 years ago! As I
> > recall, they were testing dual stack with Verizon employees in Northern
> > Virginia.
> > 
> > What seems to be missing, and I went and looked, is anykind of timeline
> > or milestones. Years ago I had bookmarked a page where you could find
> > out where they were laying fiber next, state by state, but I no longer
> > have that link.
> > 
> > I do have the ARIN page for T-Mobile IPv6 for you, though:
> > 
> > http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET6-2607-FB90-1
> > 
> > So, any device you have on T-Mo should certainly have an address in the
> > 2607:FB90::/32 block. If it doesn't, I'd seriously look at the APNs
> > under Settings.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Scott Granados writes:
> >> Hi Janina, here is a page detailing IPV6 on VZ.  This looks somewhat out 
> >> of date but it’s the only thing I could find that’s officially from VZ.
> >> 
> >> https://www.verizon.com/support/consumer/consumer-education/ipv6 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Also found a publication that shows IPV6 at about 80% deployed on the 
> >> wireless network.  Talk about taking your sweet time!  Thanks for the 
> >> T-Mobile pointer, I’m going to check that out now considering I have 
> >> several data devices and it didn’t seem to be enabled.
> >> 
> >> Thank you again
> >> 
> >>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 3:02 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> This is good to know, Scott. I'm glad they're finally rolling IPv6 on
> >>> FiOS. Do you know if they have a page documenting their rollout?
> >>> 
> >>> For the record Ipv6 is long since rolled out on T-Mobile across the
> >>> U.S., predating their rollout of LTE. Their prefix is 2607:fb90 ... On
> >>> some phones, you may need to configure the APN as per the instructions
> >>> in this old page:
> >>> 
> >>> https://sites.google.com/site/tmoipv6/lg-mytouch
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Anecdotaly I can offer that the mobile roaming is working far better in
> >>> recent months. Meaning, that once upon a time I would lose connectivity
> >>> moving from my inhome wifi down my elevator and out the front door of my
> >>> building. In the bad old days this even sometimes cancelled my Uber, and
> >>> I had to rerequest my Uber ride. No more. Transitions are now perfectly
> >>> smooth for me.
> >>> 
> >>> And, yes, Hurrican Electric rocks. If I ever need a colo server again,
> >>> I'm starting with HE.
> >>> 
> >>> Janina
> >>> 
> >>> Scott Granados writes:
>  FYI FIOS is rolling out V6 now.  It’s not in my area yet but it is under 
>  way.  There’s also talk of which routers you need to support it, luckily 
>  mine is one of the models that does.  
>  
>  Like you I used a tunnel breaker before, in my case I worked with 
>  Hurricane electric but there are many options.  Hurricane electric was 
>  nice because they had many pops to choose from so I could find the one 
>  closest to me to use.  You’re right though, nothing beats native V6.  To 
> 

Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

[Jonathan Cohn]

Well, I am in Northern Virginia about 3 blocks away from where UUNET HQ was in 
the 1990's. They eventually moved out west of Dulles Airport in 1999 / 2000 
after being bought by WorldCom. Why do I mention UUNET? Because Verizon bought 
WorldCom for pennies on the dollar after fraudulent  accounting was exposed.  
Unless I am missing something, FIOS here in Northern Virginia still does not 
have IPv6 capabilities. 

Did anybody see in that Arz Technica review about how IPv6 addresses in MacOS 
are not linked to the MAC address?but are randomized for outgoing connections? 
Is this standard practice now for IPv6?
 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 



> On Nov 26, 2016, at 9:02 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Scott:
> 
> Wow! Believe it or not, I remember that Verizon IPv6 page. It gave me
> hope while I still had FiOS at my last address over 5 years ago! As I
> recall, they were testing dual stack with Verizon employees in Northern
> Virginia.
> 
> What seems to be missing, and I went and looked, is anykind of timeline
> or milestones. Years ago I had bookmarked a page where you could find
> out where they were laying fiber next, state by state, but I no longer
> have that link.
> 
> I do have the ARIN page for T-Mobile IPv6 for you, though:
> 
> http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET6-2607-FB90-1
> 
> So, any device you have on T-Mo should certainly have an address in the
> 2607:FB90::/32 block. If it doesn't, I'd seriously look at the APNs
> under Settings.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Scott Granados writes:
>> Hi Janina, here is a page detailing IPV6 on VZ.  This looks somewhat out of 
>> date but it’s the only thing I could find that’s officially from VZ.
>> 
>> https://www.verizon.com/support/consumer/consumer-education/ipv6 
>> 
>> 
>> Also found a publication that shows IPV6 at about 80% deployed on the 
>> wireless network.  Talk about taking your sweet time!  Thanks for the 
>> T-Mobile pointer, I’m going to check that out now considering I have several 
>> data devices and it didn’t seem to be enabled.
>> 
>> Thank you again
>> 
>>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 3:02 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is good to know, Scott. I'm glad they're finally rolling IPv6 on
>>> FiOS. Do you know if they have a page documenting their rollout?
>>> 
>>> For the record Ipv6 is long since rolled out on T-Mobile across the
>>> U.S., predating their rollout of LTE. Their prefix is 2607:fb90 ... On
>>> some phones, you may need to configure the APN as per the instructions
>>> in this old page:
>>> 
>>> https://sites.google.com/site/tmoipv6/lg-mytouch
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Anecdotaly I can offer that the mobile roaming is working far better in
>>> recent months. Meaning, that once upon a time I would lose connectivity
>>> moving from my inhome wifi down my elevator and out the front door of my
>>> building. In the bad old days this even sometimes cancelled my Uber, and
>>> I had to rerequest my Uber ride. No more. Transitions are now perfectly
>>> smooth for me.
>>> 
>>> And, yes, Hurrican Electric rocks. If I ever need a colo server again,
>>> I'm starting with HE.
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> Scott Granados writes:
 FYI FIOS is rolling out V6 now.  It’s not in my area yet but it is under 
 way.  There’s also talk of which routers you need to support it, luckily 
 mine is one of the models that does.  
 
 Like you I used a tunnel breaker before, in my case I worked with 
 Hurricane electric but there are many options.  Hurricane electric was 
 nice because they had many pops to choose from so I could find the one 
 closest to me to use.  You’re right though, nothing beats native V6.  To 
 me though, the Comcast performance problems just weren’t worth V6 native 
 access.  But just to clarify there is a roll out under way.  Also, the VZW 
 network should also be V6 ready, we were using V6 back in 2013 so I assume 
 it’s made it to the consumer by now.  T-Mobile doesn’t seem to have it in 
 place yet but it seems in the cards looking at the settings they have 
 available in their hotspots.
 
> On Nov 25, 2016, at 7:07 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Mary:
> 
> I used to drool over FiOS, then I got it and I was sort of happy.
> However,s hortly thereafter I was forced to move, and I ended up moving
> where FiO was unavailable. So, I settled for Comcast, i.e. Xfinity.
> 
> Now, I'll not go back to FiOS even if I could for one simple reason.
> Xfinity gives me native IPv6 and FiOS doesn't even have an IPv6 roll out
> plan yet, last I looked.
> 
> My lan is now fully IPv6, including the telephone handsets on my desk. A
> team of horses couldn't pull me back into IPv4 and it's obnoxious 

Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi, Scott:

Wow! Believe it or not, I remember that Verizon IPv6 page. It gave me
hope while I still had FiOS at my last address over 5 years ago! As I
recall, they were testing dual stack with Verizon employees in Northern
Virginia.

What seems to be missing, and I went and looked, is anykind of timeline
or milestones. Years ago I had bookmarked a page where you could find
out where they were laying fiber next, state by state, but I no longer
have that link.

I do have the ARIN page for T-Mobile IPv6 for you, though:

http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET6-2607-FB90-1

So, any device you have on T-Mo should certainly have an address in the
2607:FB90::/32 block. If it doesn't, I'd seriously look at the APNs
under Settings.

Janina

Scott Granados writes:
> Hi Janina, here is a page detailing IPV6 on VZ.  This looks somewhat out of 
> date but it’s the only thing I could find that’s officially from VZ.
> 
> https://www.verizon.com/support/consumer/consumer-education/ipv6 
> 
> 
> Also found a publication that shows IPV6 at about 80% deployed on the 
> wireless network.  Talk about taking your sweet time!  Thanks for the 
> T-Mobile pointer, I’m going to check that out now considering I have several 
> data devices and it didn’t seem to be enabled.
> 
> Thank you again
> 
> > On Nov 26, 2016, at 3:02 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > This is good to know, Scott. I'm glad they're finally rolling IPv6 on
> > FiOS. Do you know if they have a page documenting their rollout?
> > 
> > For the record Ipv6 is long since rolled out on T-Mobile across the
> > U.S., predating their rollout of LTE. Their prefix is 2607:fb90 ... On
> > some phones, you may need to configure the APN as per the instructions
> > in this old page:
> > 
> > https://sites.google.com/site/tmoipv6/lg-mytouch
> > 
> > 
> > Anecdotaly I can offer that the mobile roaming is working far better in
> > recent months. Meaning, that once upon a time I would lose connectivity
> > moving from my inhome wifi down my elevator and out the front door of my
> > building. In the bad old days this even sometimes cancelled my Uber, and
> > I had to rerequest my Uber ride. No more. Transitions are now perfectly
> > smooth for me.
> > 
> > And, yes, Hurrican Electric rocks. If I ever need a colo server again,
> > I'm starting with HE.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Scott Granados writes:
> >> FYI FIOS is rolling out V6 now.  It’s not in my area yet but it is under 
> >> way.  There’s also talk of which routers you need to support it, luckily 
> >> mine is one of the models that does.  
> >> 
> >> Like you I used a tunnel breaker before, in my case I worked with 
> >> Hurricane electric but there are many options.  Hurricane electric was 
> >> nice because they had many pops to choose from so I could find the one 
> >> closest to me to use.  You’re right though, nothing beats native V6.  To 
> >> me though, the Comcast performance problems just weren’t worth V6 native 
> >> access.  But just to clarify there is a roll out under way.  Also, the VZW 
> >> network should also be V6 ready, we were using V6 back in 2013 so I assume 
> >> it’s made it to the consumer by now.  T-Mobile doesn’t seem to have it in 
> >> place yet but it seems in the cards looking at the settings they have 
> >> available in their hotspots.
> >> 
> >>> On Nov 25, 2016, at 7:07 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hi, Mary:
> >>> 
> >>> I used to drool over FiOS, then I got it and I was sort of happy.
> >>> However,s hortly thereafter I was forced to move, and I ended up moving
> >>> where FiO was unavailable. So, I settled for Comcast, i.e. Xfinity.
> >>> 
> >>> Now, I'll not go back to FiOS even if I could for one simple reason.
> >>> Xfinity gives me native IPv6 and FiOS doesn't even have an IPv6 roll out
> >>> plan yet, last I looked.
> >>> 
> >>> My lan is now fully IPv6, including the telephone handsets on my desk. A
> >>> team of horses couldn't pull me back into IPv4 and it's obnoxious NAT.
> >>> When I had FiOS I had IPv6, but it was tunneled via Tunnel Broker.
> >>> Native is so so much more performant, and so so much easier to use. And,
> >>> to top it off, I see nothing in my logs by way of the breakin attacks
> >>> that I got over IPv4, and still get on the one machine that needs to
> >>> support IPv4 ports still--my Linode data center hosted server.
> >>> 
> >>> So, I no longer give a hoot for FiOS. I have an entirely different
> >>> viewpoint now.
> >>> 
> >>> Just my two cents (American).
> >>> 
> >>> Janina
> >>> 
> >>> Mary Otten writes:
>  I am jealous of you people with Fios.
>  Mary
>  
>  
>  Sent from my iPhone
>  
> > On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Scott Granados  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > I’ve never been able to push more than 18 

Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

[Scott Granados]

Hi Janina, here is a page detailing IPV6 on VZ.  This looks somewhat out of 
date but it’s the only thing I could find that’s officially from VZ.

https://www.verizon.com/support/consumer/consumer-education/ipv6 


Also found a publication that shows IPV6 at about 80% deployed on the wireless 
network.  Talk about taking your sweet time!  Thanks for the T-Mobile pointer, 
I’m going to check that out now considering I have several data devices and it 
didn’t seem to be enabled.

Thank you again

> On Nov 26, 2016, at 3:02 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is good to know, Scott. I'm glad they're finally rolling IPv6 on
> FiOS. Do you know if they have a page documenting their rollout?
> 
> For the record Ipv6 is long since rolled out on T-Mobile across the
> U.S., predating their rollout of LTE. Their prefix is 2607:fb90 ... On
> some phones, you may need to configure the APN as per the instructions
> in this old page:
> 
> https://sites.google.com/site/tmoipv6/lg-mytouch
> 
> 
> Anecdotaly I can offer that the mobile roaming is working far better in
> recent months. Meaning, that once upon a time I would lose connectivity
> moving from my inhome wifi down my elevator and out the front door of my
> building. In the bad old days this even sometimes cancelled my Uber, and
> I had to rerequest my Uber ride. No more. Transitions are now perfectly
> smooth for me.
> 
> And, yes, Hurrican Electric rocks. If I ever need a colo server again,
> I'm starting with HE.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Scott Granados writes:
>> FYI FIOS is rolling out V6 now.  It’s not in my area yet but it is under 
>> way.  There’s also talk of which routers you need to support it, luckily 
>> mine is one of the models that does.  
>> 
>> Like you I used a tunnel breaker before, in my case I worked with Hurricane 
>> electric but there are many options.  Hurricane electric was nice because 
>> they had many pops to choose from so I could find the one closest to me to 
>> use.  You’re right though, nothing beats native V6.  To me though, the 
>> Comcast performance problems just weren’t worth V6 native access.  But just 
>> to clarify there is a roll out under way.  Also, the VZW network should also 
>> be V6 ready, we were using V6 back in 2013 so I assume it’s made it to the 
>> consumer by now.  T-Mobile doesn’t seem to have it in place yet but it seems 
>> in the cards looking at the settings they have available in their hotspots.
>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2016, at 7:07 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, Mary:
>>> 
>>> I used to drool over FiOS, then I got it and I was sort of happy.
>>> However,s hortly thereafter I was forced to move, and I ended up moving
>>> where FiO was unavailable. So, I settled for Comcast, i.e. Xfinity.
>>> 
>>> Now, I'll not go back to FiOS even if I could for one simple reason.
>>> Xfinity gives me native IPv6 and FiOS doesn't even have an IPv6 roll out
>>> plan yet, last I looked.
>>> 
>>> My lan is now fully IPv6, including the telephone handsets on my desk. A
>>> team of horses couldn't pull me back into IPv4 and it's obnoxious NAT.
>>> When I had FiOS I had IPv6, but it was tunneled via Tunnel Broker.
>>> Native is so so much more performant, and so so much easier to use. And,
>>> to top it off, I see nothing in my logs by way of the breakin attacks
>>> that I got over IPv4, and still get on the one machine that needs to
>>> support IPv4 ports still--my Linode data center hosted server.
>>> 
>>> So, I no longer give a hoot for FiOS. I have an entirely different
>>> viewpoint now.
>>> 
>>> Just my two cents (American).
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> Mary Otten writes:
 I am jealous of you people with Fios.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> I’ve never been able to push more than 18 megabits through any of the WRT 
> routers I’ve tried but honestly I jumped off their band wagon once Cisco 
> bought them.  This is a huge issue in Cisco gear and has been for their 
> entire life.  They are known for not providing wire speed solutions.  I 
> would be hesitant to try one on my 500 megabit service but even an 
> airport doesn’t quite saturate that link.  I use the provided ActionTech 
> router that FIOS offers and then use the airports as access points only.  
> I’ve never gotten a Linksys though to even break the 20 megabit mark 
> reliably and that’s on the wired connection let alone the WiFi which 
> slows even further.  I’m hoping though this may have changed because in 
> principle I like their gear because you can flash different firmware on 
> them.  DDWRT and Tomato are very feature packed.
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Erik Burggraaf  

Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Well, it saddens me to agree that Comcast service bites the big one. If
my issue is simple and straight forward, I can usually get good service,
but anything slightly above Level One support is bound to take time and
persistance.


Scott Granados writes:
> You know what bugged me worse than the network performance, the lower quality 
> television and the instability in my area of Comcast was the customer 
> service.  By far the absolute worst I have run in to.  Made me wish for the 
> days of AT, that should tell you something.  I have the reverse issue you 
> did with FIOS.  I have something like a $700 credit with Comcast because they 
> first charged me $1500 for boxes I didn’t return and when I was able to 
> demonstrate I had returned the boxes I went to a crazy positive state.  (Good 
> luck getting that out of them though). Each call to customer service took 45 
> minutes of hold time only to get a different answer every time and never once 
> did I get a rep who cared.  I realize though each person may have a different 
> result in this area but I have heard nothing good about the customer service. 
>  I suppose if you live in an area where it just works, the head ends aren’t 
> over sold and the plant is newer you may have a wildly different experience.
> 
> > On Nov 25, 2016, at 7:19 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > I should have read the rest of this thread before posting the below. Oh,
> > I still feel this way, but all ya'all are also talking about wired cable
> > telivision, and I didn't pay for that when I hadmy FiOS. I went straight
> > from my ONT to my in home Linux server over cat6 cabling.
> > 
> > Verizon tried to collect $99 fom me for a router--something I never got,
> > because there was no need for it. There record keeping assumed the extra
> > piece of hardware. It's a continuing unresolved issue rolling around in
> > my fico scoring, but they're not getting the moola. I can outwait them!
> > 
> > I have Xfinity cable, and I'm reasonably pleased with the talking
> > interface. Main complaint is that it's laggy, and has a tendency to
> > crash. But, I'm just not much of a TV person. If my Xfinity weren't
> > automatically included in my condo fee, I wouldn't be having it at all.
> > But, that's just me. I can't get into a heads up comparison, though I'm
> > aware some of what Scott talks about is also supported by Comcast's dvr
> > product, I have no notion about hd picture quality, and not even the
> > sound quality available. It's just not something I pay attention to. I
> > think I had my TV on last Tuesday for awhile--but that's about par for
> > me.
> > 
> > 
> > As for symetric speeds, yes that's the way things should be. That did
> > bother me when I moved, but it just hasn't been an issue. I find my
> > uploads, sometimes pretty large files, go through reasonably well. In
> > fact, there's throughput elasticity built into the Comcast service I
> > have. Truly, it hasn't been an issue.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > 
> > 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries writes:
> >> Hi, Mary:
> >> 
> >> I used to drool over FiOS, then I got it and I was sort of happy.
> >> However,s hortly thereafter I was forced to move, and I ended up moving
> >> where FiO was unavailable. So, I settled for Comcast, i.e. Xfinity.
> >> 
> >> Now, I'll not go back to FiOS even if I could for one simple reason.
> >> Xfinity gives me native IPv6 and FiOS doesn't even have an IPv6 roll out
> >> plan yet, last I looked.
> >> 
> >> My lan is now fully IPv6, including the telephone handsets on my desk. A
> >> team of horses couldn't pull me back into IPv4 and it's obnoxious NAT.
> >> When I had FiOS I had IPv6, but it was tunneled via Tunnel Broker.
> >> Native is so so much more performant, and so so much easier to use. And,
> >> to top it off, I see nothing in my logs by way of the breakin attacks
> >> that I got over IPv4, and still get on the one machine that needs to
> >> support IPv4 ports still--my Linode data center hosted server.
> >> 
> >> So, I no longer give a hoot for FiOS. I have an entirely different
> >> viewpoint now.
> >> 
> >> Just my two cents (American).
> >> 
> >> Janina
> >> 
> >> Mary Otten writes:
> >>> I am jealous of you people with Fios.
> >>> Mary
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>> 
>  On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Scott Granados  
>  wrote:
>  
>  I’ve never been able to push more than 18 megabits through any of the 
>  WRT routers I’ve tried but honestly I jumped off their band wagon once 
>  Cisco bought them.  This is a huge issue in Cisco gear and has been for 
>  their entire life.  They are known for not providing wire speed 
>  solutions.  I would be hesitant to try one on my 500 megabit service but 
>  even an airport doesn’t quite saturate that link.  I use the provided 
>  ActionTech router that FIOS offers and then use the airports as access 
> 

Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

This is good to know, Scott. I'm glad they're finally rolling IPv6 on
FiOS. Do you know if they have a page documenting their rollout?

For the record Ipv6 is long since rolled out on T-Mobile across the
U.S., predating their rollout of LTE. Their prefix is 2607:fb90 ... On
some phones, you may need to configure the APN as per the instructions
in this old page:

https://sites.google.com/site/tmoipv6/lg-mytouch


Anecdotaly I can offer that the mobile roaming is working far better in
recent months. Meaning, that once upon a time I would lose connectivity
moving from my inhome wifi down my elevator and out the front door of my
building. In the bad old days this even sometimes cancelled my Uber, and
I had to rerequest my Uber ride. No more. Transitions are now perfectly
smooth for me.

And, yes, Hurrican Electric rocks. If I ever need a colo server again,
I'm starting with HE.

Janina

Scott Granados writes:
> FYI FIOS is rolling out V6 now.  It’s not in my area yet but it is under way. 
>  There’s also talk of which routers you need to support it, luckily mine is 
> one of the models that does.  
> 
> Like you I used a tunnel breaker before, in my case I worked with Hurricane 
> electric but there are many options.  Hurricane electric was nice because 
> they had many pops to choose from so I could find the one closest to me to 
> use.  You’re right though, nothing beats native V6.  To me though, the 
> Comcast performance problems just weren’t worth V6 native access.  But just 
> to clarify there is a roll out under way.  Also, the VZW network should also 
> be V6 ready, we were using V6 back in 2013 so I assume it’s made it to the 
> consumer by now.  T-Mobile doesn’t seem to have it in place yet but it seems 
> in the cards looking at the settings they have available in their hotspots.
> 
> > On Nov 25, 2016, at 7:07 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi, Mary:
> > 
> > I used to drool over FiOS, then I got it and I was sort of happy.
> > However,s hortly thereafter I was forced to move, and I ended up moving
> > where FiO was unavailable. So, I settled for Comcast, i.e. Xfinity.
> > 
> > Now, I'll not go back to FiOS even if I could for one simple reason.
> > Xfinity gives me native IPv6 and FiOS doesn't even have an IPv6 roll out
> > plan yet, last I looked.
> > 
> > My lan is now fully IPv6, including the telephone handsets on my desk. A
> > team of horses couldn't pull me back into IPv4 and it's obnoxious NAT.
> > When I had FiOS I had IPv6, but it was tunneled via Tunnel Broker.
> > Native is so so much more performant, and so so much easier to use. And,
> > to top it off, I see nothing in my logs by way of the breakin attacks
> > that I got over IPv4, and still get on the one machine that needs to
> > support IPv4 ports still--my Linode data center hosted server.
> > 
> > So, I no longer give a hoot for FiOS. I have an entirely different
> > viewpoint now.
> > 
> > Just my two cents (American).
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Mary Otten writes:
> >> I am jealous of you people with Fios.
> >> Mary
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
> >>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Scott Granados  
> >>> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> I’ve never been able to push more than 18 megabits through any of the WRT 
> >>> routers I’ve tried but honestly I jumped off their band wagon once Cisco 
> >>> bought them.  This is a huge issue in Cisco gear and has been for their 
> >>> entire life.  They are known for not providing wire speed solutions.  I 
> >>> would be hesitant to try one on my 500 megabit service but even an 
> >>> airport doesn’t quite saturate that link.  I use the provided ActionTech 
> >>> router that FIOS offers and then use the airports as access points only.  
> >>> I’ve never gotten a Linksys though to even break the 20 megabit mark 
> >>> reliably and that’s on the wired connection let alone the WiFi which 
> >>> slows even further.  I’m hoping though this may have changed because in 
> >>> principle I like their gear because you can flash different firmware on 
> >>> them.  DDWRT and Tomato are very feature packed.
> >>> 
>  On Nov 24, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Erik Burggraaf  
>  wrote:
>  
>  Hi Scott,
>  
>  I have used  four or five models of WRT family for about 10 years, 
>  recommended them nearly  wholesale to customers, and never experienced 
>  any issue where trafic on forwarded ports would be comparatively slower 
>  than trafic taking place on a direct connection with no router at all.  
>  This may be partly due to the fact that 5 to 15 mbps for residential 
>  internet  is still the gold standard of price vs performance in Canada.  
>  If we were in any way competative in this area, perhapse the difference 
>  would be more measurable, but I doubt that it would come down to 1/3 of 
>  total capacity.
>  
>  Best,
>  
>  Erik

Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

[Scott Granados]

You know what bugged me worse than the network performance, the lower quality 
television and the instability in my area of Comcast was the customer service.  
By far the absolute worst I have run in to.  Made me wish for the days of AT, 
that should tell you something.  I have the reverse issue you did with FIOS.  I 
have something like a $700 credit with Comcast because they first charged me 
$1500 for boxes I didn’t return and when I was able to demonstrate I had 
returned the boxes I went to a crazy positive state.  (Good luck getting that 
out of them though). Each call to customer service took 45 minutes of hold time 
only to get a different answer every time and never once did I get a rep who 
cared.  I realize though each person may have a different result in this area 
but I have heard nothing good about the customer service.  I suppose if you 
live in an area where it just works, the head ends aren’t over sold and the 
plant is newer you may have a wildly different experience.

> On Nov 25, 2016, at 7:19 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I should have read the rest of this thread before posting the below. Oh,
> I still feel this way, but all ya'all are also talking about wired cable
> telivision, and I didn't pay for that when I hadmy FiOS. I went straight
> from my ONT to my in home Linux server over cat6 cabling.
> 
> Verizon tried to collect $99 fom me for a router--something I never got,
> because there was no need for it. There record keeping assumed the extra
> piece of hardware. It's a continuing unresolved issue rolling around in
> my fico scoring, but they're not getting the moola. I can outwait them!
> 
> I have Xfinity cable, and I'm reasonably pleased with the talking
> interface. Main complaint is that it's laggy, and has a tendency to
> crash. But, I'm just not much of a TV person. If my Xfinity weren't
> automatically included in my condo fee, I wouldn't be having it at all.
> But, that's just me. I can't get into a heads up comparison, though I'm
> aware some of what Scott talks about is also supported by Comcast's dvr
> product, I have no notion about hd picture quality, and not even the
> sound quality available. It's just not something I pay attention to. I
> think I had my TV on last Tuesday for awhile--but that's about par for
> me.
> 
> 
> As for symetric speeds, yes that's the way things should be. That did
> bother me when I moved, but it just hasn't been an issue. I find my
> uploads, sometimes pretty large files, go through reasonably well. In
> fact, there's throughput elasticity built into the Comcast service I
> have. Truly, it hasn't been an issue.
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
> 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries writes:
>> Hi, Mary:
>> 
>> I used to drool over FiOS, then I got it and I was sort of happy.
>> However,s hortly thereafter I was forced to move, and I ended up moving
>> where FiO was unavailable. So, I settled for Comcast, i.e. Xfinity.
>> 
>> Now, I'll not go back to FiOS even if I could for one simple reason.
>> Xfinity gives me native IPv6 and FiOS doesn't even have an IPv6 roll out
>> plan yet, last I looked.
>> 
>> My lan is now fully IPv6, including the telephone handsets on my desk. A
>> team of horses couldn't pull me back into IPv4 and it's obnoxious NAT.
>> When I had FiOS I had IPv6, but it was tunneled via Tunnel Broker.
>> Native is so so much more performant, and so so much easier to use. And,
>> to top it off, I see nothing in my logs by way of the breakin attacks
>> that I got over IPv4, and still get on the one machine that needs to
>> support IPv4 ports still--my Linode data center hosted server.
>> 
>> So, I no longer give a hoot for FiOS. I have an entirely different
>> viewpoint now.
>> 
>> Just my two cents (American).
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> Mary Otten writes:
>>> I am jealous of you people with Fios.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 I’ve never been able to push more than 18 megabits through any of the WRT 
 routers I’ve tried but honestly I jumped off their band wagon once Cisco 
 bought them.  This is a huge issue in Cisco gear and has been for their 
 entire life.  They are known for not providing wire speed solutions.  I 
 would be hesitant to try one on my 500 megabit service but even an airport 
 doesn’t quite saturate that link.  I use the provided ActionTech router 
 that FIOS offers and then use the airports as access points only.  I’ve 
 never gotten a Linksys though to even break the 20 megabit mark reliably 
 and that’s on the wired connection let alone the WiFi which slows even 
 further.  I’m hoping though this may have changed because in principle I 
 like their gear because you can flash different firmware on them.  DDWRT 
 and Tomato are very feature packed.
 
> On Nov 24, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Erik Burggraaf 

Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

[Scott Granados]

FYI FIOS is rolling out V6 now.  It’s not in my area yet but it is under way.  
There’s also talk of which routers you need to support it, luckily mine is one 
of the models that does.  

Like you I used a tunnel breaker before, in my case I worked with Hurricane 
electric but there are many options.  Hurricane electric was nice because they 
had many pops to choose from so I could find the one closest to me to use.  
You’re right though, nothing beats native V6.  To me though, the Comcast 
performance problems just weren’t worth V6 native access.  But just to clarify 
there is a roll out under way.  Also, the VZW network should also be V6 ready, 
we were using V6 back in 2013 so I assume it’s made it to the consumer by now.  
T-Mobile doesn’t seem to have it in place yet but it seems in the cards looking 
at the settings they have available in their hotspots.

> On Nov 25, 2016, at 7:07 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Mary:
> 
> I used to drool over FiOS, then I got it and I was sort of happy.
> However,s hortly thereafter I was forced to move, and I ended up moving
> where FiO was unavailable. So, I settled for Comcast, i.e. Xfinity.
> 
> Now, I'll not go back to FiOS even if I could for one simple reason.
> Xfinity gives me native IPv6 and FiOS doesn't even have an IPv6 roll out
> plan yet, last I looked.
> 
> My lan is now fully IPv6, including the telephone handsets on my desk. A
> team of horses couldn't pull me back into IPv4 and it's obnoxious NAT.
> When I had FiOS I had IPv6, but it was tunneled via Tunnel Broker.
> Native is so so much more performant, and so so much easier to use. And,
> to top it off, I see nothing in my logs by way of the breakin attacks
> that I got over IPv4, and still get on the one machine that needs to
> support IPv4 ports still--my Linode data center hosted server.
> 
> So, I no longer give a hoot for FiOS. I have an entirely different
> viewpoint now.
> 
> Just my two cents (American).
> 
> Janina
> 
> Mary Otten writes:
>> I am jealous of you people with Fios.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve never been able to push more than 18 megabits through any of the WRT 
>>> routers I’ve tried but honestly I jumped off their band wagon once Cisco 
>>> bought them.  This is a huge issue in Cisco gear and has been for their 
>>> entire life.  They are known for not providing wire speed solutions.  I 
>>> would be hesitant to try one on my 500 megabit service but even an airport 
>>> doesn’t quite saturate that link.  I use the provided ActionTech router 
>>> that FIOS offers and then use the airports as access points only.  I’ve 
>>> never gotten a Linksys though to even break the 20 megabit mark reliably 
>>> and that’s on the wired connection let alone the WiFi which slows even 
>>> further.  I’m hoping though this may have changed because in principle I 
>>> like their gear because you can flash different firmware on them.  DDWRT 
>>> and Tomato are very feature packed.
>>> 
 On Nov 24, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Erik Burggraaf  
 wrote:
 
 Hi Scott,
 
 I have used  four or five models of WRT family for about 10 years, 
 recommended them nearly  wholesale to customers, and never experienced any 
 issue where trafic on forwarded ports would be comparatively slower than 
 trafic taking place on a direct connection with no router at all.  This 
 may be partly due to the fact that 5 to 15 mbps for residential internet  
 is still the gold standard of price vs performance in Canada.  If we were 
 in any way competative in this area, perhapse the difference would be more 
 measurable, but I doubt that it would come down to 1/3 of total capacity.
 
 Best,
 
 Erik
 
 Sent with AquaMail for Android
 http://www.aqua-mail.com
 
 
> On November 23, 2016 7:41:43 PM Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Janina, I thought like most Cisco products the links’s devices had 
> poor forwarding rates.  In other words, they only forward at a third to a 
> half of the line rate.  Has this changed in more recent years or does WRT 
> also help to address this with better more optimized software?
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
> 
>> On Nov 23, 2016, at 2:23 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> It's a couple years old now, but I regard the Linksys WRT1900AC as still
>> a top choice, but not for its native software because It's not all that
>> accessible. This router runs OpenWRT brilliantly, and OpenWRT is fully
>> accessible.
>> 
>> http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/linksys/wrt_ac_series
>> 
>> 
>> PS: I have no personal experience of any of Linksys' more recent
>> variants.
>> 

Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

I should have read the rest of this thread before posting the below. Oh,
I still feel this way, but all ya'all are also talking about wired cable
telivision, and I didn't pay for that when I hadmy FiOS. I went straight
from my ONT to my in home Linux server over cat6 cabling.

Verizon tried to collect $99 fom me for a router--something I never got,
because there was no need for it. There record keeping assumed the extra
piece of hardware. It's a continuing unresolved issue rolling around in
my fico scoring, but they're not getting the moola. I can outwait them!

I have Xfinity cable, and I'm reasonably pleased with the talking
interface. Main complaint is that it's laggy, and has a tendency to
crash. But, I'm just not much of a TV person. If my Xfinity weren't
automatically included in my condo fee, I wouldn't be having it at all.
But, that's just me. I can't get into a heads up comparison, though I'm
aware some of what Scott talks about is also supported by Comcast's dvr
product, I have no notion about hd picture quality, and not even the
sound quality available. It's just not something I pay attention to. I
think I had my TV on last Tuesday for awhile--but that's about par for
me.


As for symetric speeds, yes that's the way things should be. That did
bother me when I moved, but it just hasn't been an issue. I find my
uploads, sometimes pretty large files, go through reasonably well. In
fact, there's throughput elasticity built into the Comcast service I
have. Truly, it hasn't been an issue.

Janina


'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Hi, Mary:
> 
> I used to drool over FiOS, then I got it and I was sort of happy.
> However,s hortly thereafter I was forced to move, and I ended up moving
> where FiO was unavailable. So, I settled for Comcast, i.e. Xfinity.
> 
> Now, I'll not go back to FiOS even if I could for one simple reason.
> Xfinity gives me native IPv6 and FiOS doesn't even have an IPv6 roll out
> plan yet, last I looked.
> 
> My lan is now fully IPv6, including the telephone handsets on my desk. A
> team of horses couldn't pull me back into IPv4 and it's obnoxious NAT.
> When I had FiOS I had IPv6, but it was tunneled via Tunnel Broker.
> Native is so so much more performant, and so so much easier to use. And,
> to top it off, I see nothing in my logs by way of the breakin attacks
> that I got over IPv4, and still get on the one machine that needs to
> support IPv4 ports still--my Linode data center hosted server.
> 
> So, I no longer give a hoot for FiOS. I have an entirely different
> viewpoint now.
> 
> Just my two cents (American).
> 
> Janina
> 
> Mary Otten writes:
> > I am jealous of you people with Fios.
> > Mary
> > 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > > On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Scott Granados  
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > I’ve never been able to push more than 18 megabits through any of the WRT 
> > > routers I’ve tried but honestly I jumped off their band wagon once Cisco 
> > > bought them.  This is a huge issue in Cisco gear and has been for their 
> > > entire life.  They are known for not providing wire speed solutions.  I 
> > > would be hesitant to try one on my 500 megabit service but even an 
> > > airport doesn’t quite saturate that link.  I use the provided ActionTech 
> > > router that FIOS offers and then use the airports as access points only.  
> > > I’ve never gotten a Linksys though to even break the 20 megabit mark 
> > > reliably and that’s on the wired connection let alone the WiFi which 
> > > slows even further.  I’m hoping though this may have changed because in 
> > > principle I like their gear because you can flash different firmware on 
> > > them.  DDWRT and Tomato are very feature packed.
> > > 
> > >> On Nov 24, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Erik Burggraaf  
> > >> wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> Hi Scott,
> > >> 
> > >> I have used  four or five models of WRT family for about 10 years, 
> > >> recommended them nearly  wholesale to customers, and never experienced 
> > >> any issue where trafic on forwarded ports would be comparatively slower 
> > >> than trafic taking place on a direct connection with no router at all.  
> > >> This may be partly due to the fact that 5 to 15 mbps for residential 
> > >> internet  is still the gold standard of price vs performance in Canada.  
> > >> If we were in any way competative in this area, perhapse the difference 
> > >> would be more measurable, but I doubt that it would come down to 1/3 of 
> > >> total capacity.
> > >> 
> > >> Best,
> > >> 
> > >> Erik
> > >> 
> > >> Sent with AquaMail for Android
> > >> http://www.aqua-mail.com
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >>> On November 23, 2016 7:41:43 PM Scott Granados 
> > >>>  wrote:
> > >>> 
> > >>> Hi Janina, I thought like most Cisco products the links’s devices had 
> > >>> poor forwarding rates.  In other words, they only forward at a third to 
> > >>> a half of the line rate.  Has this changed in more recent 

Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi, Mary:

I used to drool over FiOS, then I got it and I was sort of happy.
However,s hortly thereafter I was forced to move, and I ended up moving
where FiO was unavailable. So, I settled for Comcast, i.e. Xfinity.

Now, I'll not go back to FiOS even if I could for one simple reason.
Xfinity gives me native IPv6 and FiOS doesn't even have an IPv6 roll out
plan yet, last I looked.

My lan is now fully IPv6, including the telephone handsets on my desk. A
team of horses couldn't pull me back into IPv4 and it's obnoxious NAT.
When I had FiOS I had IPv6, but it was tunneled via Tunnel Broker.
Native is so so much more performant, and so so much easier to use. And,
to top it off, I see nothing in my logs by way of the breakin attacks
that I got over IPv4, and still get on the one machine that needs to
support IPv4 ports still--my Linode data center hosted server.

So, I no longer give a hoot for FiOS. I have an entirely different
viewpoint now.

Just my two cents (American).

Janina

Mary Otten writes:
> I am jealous of you people with Fios.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Scott Granados  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > I’ve never been able to push more than 18 megabits through any of the WRT 
> > routers I’ve tried but honestly I jumped off their band wagon once Cisco 
> > bought them.  This is a huge issue in Cisco gear and has been for their 
> > entire life.  They are known for not providing wire speed solutions.  I 
> > would be hesitant to try one on my 500 megabit service but even an airport 
> > doesn’t quite saturate that link.  I use the provided ActionTech router 
> > that FIOS offers and then use the airports as access points only.  I’ve 
> > never gotten a Linksys though to even break the 20 megabit mark reliably 
> > and that’s on the wired connection let alone the WiFi which slows even 
> > further.  I’m hoping though this may have changed because in principle I 
> > like their gear because you can flash different firmware on them.  DDWRT 
> > and Tomato are very feature packed.
> > 
> >> On Nov 24, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Erik Burggraaf  
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hi Scott,
> >> 
> >> I have used  four or five models of WRT family for about 10 years, 
> >> recommended them nearly  wholesale to customers, and never experienced any 
> >> issue where trafic on forwarded ports would be comparatively slower than 
> >> trafic taking place on a direct connection with no router at all.  This 
> >> may be partly due to the fact that 5 to 15 mbps for residential internet  
> >> is still the gold standard of price vs performance in Canada.  If we were 
> >> in any way competative in this area, perhapse the difference would be more 
> >> measurable, but I doubt that it would come down to 1/3 of total capacity.
> >> 
> >> Best,
> >> 
> >> Erik
> >> 
> >> Sent with AquaMail for Android
> >> http://www.aqua-mail.com
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On November 23, 2016 7:41:43 PM Scott Granados  
> >>> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hi Janina, I thought like most Cisco products the links’s devices had 
> >>> poor forwarding rates.  In other words, they only forward at a third to a 
> >>> half of the line rate.  Has this changed in more recent years or does WRT 
> >>> also help to address this with better more optimized software?
> >>> 
> >>> Thanks
> >>> Scott
> >>> 
>  On Nov 23, 2016, at 2:23 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>   wrote:
>  
>  It's a couple years old now, but I regard the Linksys WRT1900AC as still
>  a top choice, but not for its native software because It's not all that
>  accessible. This router runs OpenWRT brilliantly, and OpenWRT is fully
>  accessible.
>  
>  http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/linksys/wrt_ac_series
>  
>  
>  PS: I have no personal experience of any of Linksys' more recent
>  variants.
>  
>  Just my preference. This is not an out of the box solution. There's some
>  assembly required, as the old saying goes.
>  
>  Janina
>  
>  
>  Kawal Gucukoglu writes:
> > I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm 
> > going to do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this 
> > breaks down.
> >> On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom  
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old 
> >> trusty Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
> >> /Krister
> >> 
> >>> 21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D. :
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> http://www.macworld.com/article/3143604/hardware/rip-airport-apple-may-abandon-wireless-routers-and-time-capsule.html#tk.rss_all
> >>> 
> >>> XB
> >>> 
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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi, Scott:

Two answers to your question about throughput on Linksys.

First, my personal experience is with the WRT1900AC, first rev. It was
easily the fastest I'd ever worked with. I say this in the past tense,
because I blew it up and it no longer boots. I'm just not good with
tasks like cracking the case open and attaching leads to particular
posts inside in order to get a serial console over USB--even though I
have the parts in house. So, I've been running on an old Archer C7, and
I miss my old Linksys. This has put me back in the market, even though
money is tight for me right now.

Second, I've found the following Cnet article quite helpful, and it
addresses this issue:
https://www.cnet.com/products/linksys-wrt3200acm-mu-mimo-gigabit-wi-fi-router/preview/

So, I'm currently considering a Black Friday deal at Amazon on the
WRT1900ACS--the penultimate model from Linksys which seems to have a
reasonably good price at Amazon just now. However, I'm personally
inclined to wait until just after Christmas as I expect the deals might
be even better in a month. As I said, my money is tight right now.

The above regards throughput. I would add that I've been a stalwart
OpenWRT fan for a decade. I love the control I get with OpenWRT. And,
accessibiliy can't be beat when it's a matter of editing ASCII text
files over ssh, though I tend to download them and edit on my Linux
desktop machine because my Arch build of vim is more featureful than
that provided by OpenWRT. Once edited, I simply rsync the result back
up.

hth

Janina

Scott Granados writes:
> Hi Janina, I thought like most Cisco products the links’s devices had poor 
> forwarding rates.  In other words, they only forward at a third to a half of 
> the line rate.  Has this changed in more recent years or does WRT also help 
> to address this with better more optimized software?
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
> 
> > On Nov 23, 2016, at 2:23 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > It's a couple years old now, but I regard the Linksys WRT1900AC as still
> > a top choice, but not for its native software because It's not all that
> > accessible. This router runs OpenWRT brilliantly, and OpenWRT is fully
> > accessible.
> > 
> > http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/linksys/wrt_ac_series
> > 
> > 
> > PS: I have no personal experience of any of Linksys' more recent
> > variants.
> > 
> > Just my preference. This is not an out of the box solution. There's some
> > assembly required, as the old saying goes.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > 
> > Kawal Gucukoglu writes:
> >> I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm going 
> >> to do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this breaks 
> >> down.
> >>> On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom  
> >>> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old 
> >>> trusty Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
> >>> /Krister
> >>> 
>  21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D. :
>  
>  
>  
>  http://www.macworld.com/article/3143604/hardware/rip-airport-apple-may-abandon-wireless-routers-and-time-capsule.html#tk.rss_all
>  
>  XB
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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

[Mary Otten]

True, with regard to Comcast and the talking menus. However, the prices are out 
rages, unacceptably so. They take advantage of their monopoly position in 
markets where they have that. Notice the difference between Comcast pricing 
where there is competition and where there isn't. I live in an area where there 
isn't, and as of the middle of next month, Comcast TV will not be in our house 
anymore.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 25, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> They have that’s true and Comcast does have the talking menus but on the down 
> side, you’re on the Comcast network.  The HD performance is shameful and over 
> compressed, the DVR is not nearly as feature packed and you do not have 
> equivalent upload and download speeds.  You’re also on some shared facilities 
> on the last mile.  But your points are good ones they are good to veterans 
> which is very important although Verizon seemed to be as well from what I saw 
> on the wireless side and Comcast does have talking boxes which does help.  
> 
> Speaking of Veterans I used to work with Bill Clinton’s White House switch 
> operator.:). They put a lot of marines in networking and telecommunications.
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2016, at 8:26 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> On the down side they still have not enabled the required talking menus like 
>> Comcast. ComCast has certainly supported the disabled and the veterans,  
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 7:21 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It’s really fantastic other than they don’t support IPV6 yet in my area.  
>>> Otherwise it’s the best home service I’ve ever had.  With the quantum 
>>> service you get up to 500 megabits (last I look it might even be more), you 
>>> can record up to 12 shows at a time and have hundreds of hours of record 
>>> time.  Plus you can pause live TV, you can be watching a show from the 
>>> middle press a key and it records or starts over from the top, the audio is 
>>> stunning and I understand the video is fantastic.  You can also DVR 
>>> something in one room and have it follow you to another and the DVR data is 
>>> stored in the cloud so no annoying loud hard drive spinning in your box.  
>>> You also get the total amount of record time per box not as an aggregate.  
>>> On the internet side you get an equal amount of data down as you do up 
>>> which makes a huge difference.  I can publish 4K videos in seconds.
>>> Comcast is about to launch some gigabit service if they haven’t so I 
>>> expect an increase in speed on the FIOS side soon as well.  I know they 
>>> tested 10G near me in Framingham Mass but I can’t imagine the bill for that 
>>> level of service.  It’s good though.  Verizon has a very good home service.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 24, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 I am jealous of you people with Fios.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> I’ve never been able to push more than 18 megabits through any of the WRT 
> routers I’ve tried but honestly I jumped off their band wagon once Cisco 
> bought them.  This is a huge issue in Cisco gear and has been for their 
> entire life.  They are known for not providing wire speed solutions.  I 
> would be hesitant to try one on my 500 megabit service but even an 
> airport doesn’t quite saturate that link.  I use the provided ActionTech 
> router that FIOS offers and then use the airports as access points only.  
> I’ve never gotten a Linksys though to even break the 20 megabit mark 
> reliably and that’s on the wired connection let alone the WiFi which 
> slows even further.  I’m hoping though this may have changed because in 
> principle I like their gear because you can flash different firmware on 
> them.  DDWRT and Tomato are very feature packed.
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Erik Burggraaf  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott,
>> 
>> I have used  four or five models of WRT family for about 10 years, 
>> recommended them nearly  wholesale to customers, and never experienced 
>> any issue where trafic on forwarded ports would be comparatively slower 
>> than trafic taking place on a direct connection with no router at all.  
>> This may be partly due to the fact that 5 to 15 mbps for residential 
>> internet  is still the gold standard of price vs performance in Canada.  
>> If we were in any way competative in this area, perhapse the difference 
>> would be more measurable, but I doubt that it would come down to 1/3 of 
>> total capacity.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Erik
>> 
>> Sent with AquaMail for Android
>> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>> 
>> 
>>> 

Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

[Scott Granados]

They have that’s true and Comcast does have the talking menus but on the down 
side, you’re on the Comcast network.  The HD performance is shameful and over 
compressed, the DVR is not nearly as feature packed and you do not have 
equivalent upload and download speeds.  You’re also on some shared facilities 
on the last mile.  But your points are good ones they are good to veterans 
which is very important although Verizon seemed to be as well from what I saw 
on the wireless side and Comcast does have talking boxes which does help.  

Speaking of Veterans I used to work with Bill Clinton’s White House switch 
operator.:). They put a lot of marines in networking and telecommunications.

> On Nov 25, 2016, at 8:26 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> On the down side they still have not enabled the required talking menus like 
> Comcast. ComCast has certainly supported the disabled and the veterans,  
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 7:21 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> It’s really fantastic other than they don’t support IPV6 yet in my area.  
>> Otherwise it’s the best home service I’ve ever had.  With the quantum 
>> service you get up to 500 megabits (last I look it might even be more), you 
>> can record up to 12 shows at a time and have hundreds of hours of record 
>> time.  Plus you can pause live TV, you can be watching a show from the 
>> middle press a key and it records or starts over from the top, the audio is 
>> stunning and I understand the video is fantastic.  You can also DVR 
>> something in one room and have it follow you to another and the DVR data is 
>> stored in the cloud so no annoying loud hard drive spinning in your box.  
>> You also get the total amount of record time per box not as an aggregate.  
>> On the internet side you get an equal amount of data down as you do up which 
>> makes a huge difference.  I can publish 4K videos in seconds.
>>  Comcast is about to launch some gigabit service if they haven’t so I 
>> expect an increase in speed on the FIOS side soon as well.  I know they 
>> tested 10G near me in Framingham Mass but I can’t imagine the bill for that 
>> level of service.  It’s good though.  Verizon has a very good home service.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am jealous of you people with Fios.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Scott Granados > wrote:
 
 I’ve never been able to push more than 18 megabits through any of the WRT 
 routers I’ve tried but honestly I jumped off their band wagon once Cisco 
 bought them.  This is a huge issue in Cisco gear and has been for their 
 entire life.  They are known for not providing wire speed solutions.  I 
 would be hesitant to try one on my 500 megabit service but even an airport 
 doesn’t quite saturate that link.  I use the provided ActionTech router 
 that FIOS offers and then use the airports as access points only.  I’ve 
 never gotten a Linksys though to even break the 20 megabit mark reliably 
 and that’s on the wired connection let alone the WiFi which slows even 
 further.  I’m hoping though this may have changed because in principle I 
 like their gear because you can flash different firmware on them.  DDWRT 
 and Tomato are very feature packed.
 
> On Nov 24, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Erik Burggraaf  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> I have used  four or five models of WRT family for about 10 years, 
> recommended them nearly  wholesale to customers, and never experienced 
> any issue where trafic on forwarded ports would be comparatively slower 
> than trafic taking place on a direct connection with no router at all.  
> This may be partly due to the fact that 5 to 15 mbps for residential 
> internet  is still the gold standard of price vs performance in Canada.  
> If we were in any way competative in this area, perhapse the difference 
> would be more measurable, but I doubt that it would come down to 1/3 of 
> total capacity.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Erik
> 
> Sent with AquaMail for Android
> http://www.aqua-mail.com 
> 
> 
>> On November 23, 2016 7:41:43 PM Scott Granados 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Janina, I thought like most Cisco products the links’s devices had 
>> poor forwarding rates.  In other words, they only forward at a third to 
>> a half of the line rate.  Has this changed in more recent years or does 
>> WRT also help to address this with better more optimized software?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
>> 

Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

[Jonathan Cohn]

On the down side they still have not enabled the required talking menus like 
Comcast. ComCast has certainly supported the disabled and the veterans,  
Best wishes,

Jonathan



> On Nov 24, 2016, at 7:21 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> It’s really fantastic other than they don’t support IPV6 yet in my area.  
> Otherwise it’s the best home service I’ve ever had.  With the quantum service 
> you get up to 500 megabits (last I look it might even be more), you can 
> record up to 12 shows at a time and have hundreds of hours of record time.  
> Plus you can pause live TV, you can be watching a show from the middle press 
> a key and it records or starts over from the top, the audio is stunning and I 
> understand the video is fantastic.  You can also DVR something in one room 
> and have it follow you to another and the DVR data is stored in the cloud so 
> no annoying loud hard drive spinning in your box.  You also get the total 
> amount of record time per box not as an aggregate.  On the internet side you 
> get an equal amount of data down as you do up which makes a huge difference.  
> I can publish 4K videos in seconds.
>   Comcast is about to launch some gigabit service if they haven’t so I 
> expect an increase in speed on the FIOS side soon as well.  I know they 
> tested 10G near me in Framingham Mass but I can’t imagine the bill for that 
> level of service.  It’s good though.  Verizon has a very good home service.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I am jealous of you people with Fios.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve never been able to push more than 18 megabits through any of the WRT 
>>> routers I’ve tried but honestly I jumped off their band wagon once Cisco 
>>> bought them.  This is a huge issue in Cisco gear and has been for their 
>>> entire life.  They are known for not providing wire speed solutions.  I 
>>> would be hesitant to try one on my 500 megabit service but even an airport 
>>> doesn’t quite saturate that link.  I use the provided ActionTech router 
>>> that FIOS offers and then use the airports as access points only.  I’ve 
>>> never gotten a Linksys though to even break the 20 megabit mark reliably 
>>> and that’s on the wired connection let alone the WiFi which slows even 
>>> further.  I’m hoping though this may have changed because in principle I 
>>> like their gear because you can flash different firmware on them.  DDWRT 
>>> and Tomato are very feature packed.
>>> 
 On Nov 24, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Erik Burggraaf  
 wrote:
 
 Hi Scott,
 
 I have used  four or five models of WRT family for about 10 years, 
 recommended them nearly  wholesale to customers, and never experienced any 
 issue where trafic on forwarded ports would be comparatively slower than 
 trafic taking place on a direct connection with no router at all.  This 
 may be partly due to the fact that 5 to 15 mbps for residential internet  
 is still the gold standard of price vs performance in Canada.  If we were 
 in any way competative in this area, perhapse the difference would be more 
 measurable, but I doubt that it would come down to 1/3 of total capacity.
 
 Best,
 
 Erik
 
 Sent with AquaMail for Android
 http://www.aqua-mail.com
 
 
> On November 23, 2016 7:41:43 PM Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Janina, I thought like most Cisco products the links’s devices had 
> poor forwarding rates.  In other words, they only forward at a third to a 
> half of the line rate.  Has this changed in more recent years or does WRT 
> also help to address this with better more optimized software?
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
> 
>> On Nov 23, 2016, at 2:23 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> It's a couple years old now, but I regard the Linksys WRT1900AC as still
>> a top choice, but not for its native software because It's not all that
>> accessible. This router runs OpenWRT brilliantly, and OpenWRT is fully
>> accessible.
>> 
>> http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/linksys/wrt_ac_series
>> 
>> 
>> PS: I have no personal experience of any of Linksys' more recent
>> variants.
>> 
>> Just my preference. This is not an out of the box solution. There's some
>> assembly required, as the old saying goes.
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> 
>> Kawal Gucukoglu writes:
>>> I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm 
>>> going to do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this 
>>> breaks down.
 On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom  
 wrote:

Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

[Mary Otten]

You East Coast guys get the good stuff. Out here in the wilds of Oregon, we get 
well I won't say it because this is a family list.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 24, 2016, at 4:21 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> It’s really fantastic other than they don’t support IPV6 yet in my area.  
> Otherwise it’s the best home service I’ve ever had.  With the quantum service 
> you get up to 500 megabits (last I look it might even be more), you can 
> record up to 12 shows at a time and have hundreds of hours of record time.  
> Plus you can pause live TV, you can be watching a show from the middle press 
> a key and it records or starts over from the top, the audio is stunning and I 
> understand the video is fantastic.  You can also DVR something in one room 
> and have it follow you to another and the DVR data is stored in the cloud so 
> no annoying loud hard drive spinning in your box.  You also get the total 
> amount of record time per box not as an aggregate.  On the internet side you 
> get an equal amount of data down as you do up which makes a huge difference.  
> I can publish 4K videos in seconds.
>Comcast is about to launch some gigabit service if they haven’t so I 
> expect an increase in speed on the FIOS side soon as well.  I know they 
> tested 10G near me in Framingham Mass but I can’t imagine the bill for that 
> level of service.  It’s good though.  Verizon has a very good home service.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I am jealous of you people with Fios.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve never been able to push more than 18 megabits through any of the WRT 
>>> routers I’ve tried but honestly I jumped off their band wagon once Cisco 
>>> bought them.  This is a huge issue in Cisco gear and has been for their 
>>> entire life.  They are known for not providing wire speed solutions.  I 
>>> would be hesitant to try one on my 500 megabit service but even an airport 
>>> doesn’t quite saturate that link.  I use the provided ActionTech router 
>>> that FIOS offers and then use the airports as access points only.  I’ve 
>>> never gotten a Linksys though to even break the 20 megabit mark reliably 
>>> and that’s on the wired connection let alone the WiFi which slows even 
>>> further.  I’m hoping though this may have changed because in principle I 
>>> like their gear because you can flash different firmware on them.  DDWRT 
>>> and Tomato are very feature packed.
>>> 
 On Nov 24, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Erik Burggraaf  
 wrote:
 
 Hi Scott,
 
 I have used  four or five models of WRT family for about 10 years, 
 recommended them nearly  wholesale to customers, and never experienced any 
 issue where trafic on forwarded ports would be comparatively slower than 
 trafic taking place on a direct connection with no router at all.  This 
 may be partly due to the fact that 5 to 15 mbps for residential internet  
 is still the gold standard of price vs performance in Canada.  If we were 
 in any way competative in this area, perhapse the difference would be more 
 measurable, but I doubt that it would come down to 1/3 of total capacity.
 
 Best,
 
 Erik
 
 Sent with AquaMail for Android
 http://www.aqua-mail.com
 
 
> On November 23, 2016 7:41:43 PM Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Janina, I thought like most Cisco products the links’s devices had 
> poor forwarding rates.  In other words, they only forward at a third to a 
> half of the line rate.  Has this changed in more recent years or does WRT 
> also help to address this with better more optimized software?
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
> 
>> On Nov 23, 2016, at 2:23 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> It's a couple years old now, but I regard the Linksys WRT1900AC as still
>> a top choice, but not for its native software because It's not all that
>> accessible. This router runs OpenWRT brilliantly, and OpenWRT is fully
>> accessible.
>> 
>> http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/linksys/wrt_ac_series
>> 
>> 
>> PS: I have no personal experience of any of Linksys' more recent
>> variants.
>> 
>> Just my preference. This is not an out of the box solution. There's some
>> assembly required, as the old saying goes.
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> 
>> Kawal Gucukoglu writes:
>>> I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm 
>>> going to do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this 
>>> breaks down.
 On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom  
 wrote:
 
 Uh oh, so what’s a 

Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

[Scott Granados]

It’s really fantastic other than they don’t support IPV6 yet in my area.  
Otherwise it’s the best home service I’ve ever had.  With the quantum service 
you get up to 500 megabits (last I look it might even be more), you can record 
up to 12 shows at a time and have hundreds of hours of record time.  Plus you 
can pause live TV, you can be watching a show from the middle press a key and 
it records or starts over from the top, the audio is stunning and I understand 
the video is fantastic.  You can also DVR something in one room and have it 
follow you to another and the DVR data is stored in the cloud so no annoying 
loud hard drive spinning in your box.  You also get the total amount of record 
time per box not as an aggregate.  On the internet side you get an equal amount 
of data down as you do up which makes a huge difference.  I can publish 4K 
videos in seconds.
Comcast is about to launch some gigabit service if they haven’t so I 
expect an increase in speed on the FIOS side soon as well.  I know they tested 
10G near me in Framingham Mass but I can’t imagine the bill for that level of 
service.  It’s good though.  Verizon has a very good home service.


> On Nov 24, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I am jealous of you people with Fios.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve never been able to push more than 18 megabits through any of the WRT 
>> routers I’ve tried but honestly I jumped off their band wagon once Cisco 
>> bought them.  This is a huge issue in Cisco gear and has been for their 
>> entire life.  They are known for not providing wire speed solutions.  I 
>> would be hesitant to try one on my 500 megabit service but even an airport 
>> doesn’t quite saturate that link.  I use the provided ActionTech router that 
>> FIOS offers and then use the airports as access points only.  I’ve never 
>> gotten a Linksys though to even break the 20 megabit mark reliably and 
>> that’s on the wired connection let alone the WiFi which slows even further.  
>> I’m hoping though this may have changed because in principle I like their 
>> gear because you can flash different firmware on them.  DDWRT and Tomato are 
>> very feature packed.
>> 
>>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Erik Burggraaf  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Scott,
>>> 
>>> I have used  four or five models of WRT family for about 10 years, 
>>> recommended them nearly  wholesale to customers, and never experienced any 
>>> issue where trafic on forwarded ports would be comparatively slower than 
>>> trafic taking place on a direct connection with no router at all.  This may 
>>> be partly due to the fact that 5 to 15 mbps for residential internet  is 
>>> still the gold standard of price vs performance in Canada.  If we were in 
>>> any way competative in this area, perhapse the difference would be more 
>>> measurable, but I doubt that it would come down to 1/3 of total capacity.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Erik
>>> 
>>> Sent with AquaMail for Android
>>> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>>> 
>>> 
 On November 23, 2016 7:41:43 PM Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Hi Janina, I thought like most Cisco products the links’s devices had poor 
 forwarding rates.  In other words, they only forward at a third to a half 
 of the line rate.  Has this changed in more recent years or does WRT also 
 help to address this with better more optimized software?
 
 Thanks
 Scott
 
> On Nov 23, 2016, at 2:23 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> It's a couple years old now, but I regard the Linksys WRT1900AC as still
> a top choice, but not for its native software because It's not all that
> accessible. This router runs OpenWRT brilliantly, and OpenWRT is fully
> accessible.
> 
> http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/linksys/wrt_ac_series
> 
> 
> PS: I have no personal experience of any of Linksys' more recent
> variants.
> 
> Just my preference. This is not an out of the box solution. There's some
> assembly required, as the old saying goes.
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
> Kawal Gucukoglu writes:
>> I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm 
>> going to do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this 
>> breaks down.
>>> On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old 
>>> trusty Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
>>> /Krister
>>> 
 21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D. :
 
 
 
 http://www.macworld.com/article/3143604/hardware/rip-airport-apple-may-abandon-wireless-routers-and-time-capsule.html#tk.rss_all

Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

[Mary Otten]

I am jealous of you people with Fios.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I’ve never been able to push more than 18 megabits through any of the WRT 
> routers I’ve tried but honestly I jumped off their band wagon once Cisco 
> bought them.  This is a huge issue in Cisco gear and has been for their 
> entire life.  They are known for not providing wire speed solutions.  I would 
> be hesitant to try one on my 500 megabit service but even an airport doesn’t 
> quite saturate that link.  I use the provided ActionTech router that FIOS 
> offers and then use the airports as access points only.  I’ve never gotten a 
> Linksys though to even break the 20 megabit mark reliably and that’s on the 
> wired connection let alone the WiFi which slows even further.  I’m hoping 
> though this may have changed because in principle I like their gear because 
> you can flash different firmware on them.  DDWRT and Tomato are very feature 
> packed.
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Erik Burggraaf  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott,
>> 
>> I have used  four or five models of WRT family for about 10 years, 
>> recommended them nearly  wholesale to customers, and never experienced any 
>> issue where trafic on forwarded ports would be comparatively slower than 
>> trafic taking place on a direct connection with no router at all.  This may 
>> be partly due to the fact that 5 to 15 mbps for residential internet  is 
>> still the gold standard of price vs performance in Canada.  If we were in 
>> any way competative in this area, perhapse the difference would be more 
>> measurable, but I doubt that it would come down to 1/3 of total capacity.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Erik
>> 
>> Sent with AquaMail for Android
>> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>> 
>> 
>>> On November 23, 2016 7:41:43 PM Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Janina, I thought like most Cisco products the links’s devices had poor 
>>> forwarding rates.  In other words, they only forward at a third to a half 
>>> of the line rate.  Has this changed in more recent years or does WRT also 
>>> help to address this with better more optimized software?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Scott
>>> 
 On Nov 23, 2016, at 2:23 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 It's a couple years old now, but I regard the Linksys WRT1900AC as still
 a top choice, but not for its native software because It's not all that
 accessible. This router runs OpenWRT brilliantly, and OpenWRT is fully
 accessible.
 
 http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/linksys/wrt_ac_series
 
 
 PS: I have no personal experience of any of Linksys' more recent
 variants.
 
 Just my preference. This is not an out of the box solution. There's some
 assembly required, as the old saying goes.
 
 Janina
 
 
 Kawal Gucukoglu writes:
> I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm 
> going to do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this 
> breaks down.
>> On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old 
>> trusty Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
>> /Krister
>> 
>>> 21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D. :
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://www.macworld.com/article/3143604/hardware/rip-airport-apple-may-abandon-wireless-routers-and-time-capsule.html#tk.rss_all
>>> 
>>> XB
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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

[Scott Granados]

I have not gotten it to work but I plan on spending more time on this tomorrow. 
 I am trying to connect an AirPort Extreme to an actiontech but so far no joy.  
It’s very likely the guy on this side of the keyboard though so far.   Will 
update as I continue experimenting.  
> On Nov 24, 2016, at 9:16 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> 
> I'd be interested in your results as well.  I've connected Airport Expresses 
> via ethernet to other networks and the Airplay feature remains as easy as 
> ever.  I don't have any non-Apple Home routers though to test with to see if 
> WDS or whatever the newest connection method is, will work.  Everything at 
> work is enterprise stuff so no real method of playing around with this sort 
> of thing.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Nov 22, 2016, at 20:06, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
> Mary, this is a very good question.  I have not tried this, I will set this 
> up in my lab over the weekend and see what I can come up with in case nobody 
> else responds in the mean time.
> 
> I would suspect it’s possible and quite easy but not having done it I want to 
> try before I confirm.
> 
>> On Nov 22, 2016, at 5:47 PM, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>> 
>> OK, I am curious. I have an airport extreme which is working fine, and I 
>> have to airport expresses connected to stereos because I have airplay and I 
>> love it. I know the AirPort Extreme is old, it doesn't even have AC, much 
>> less the one that comes after that. So here's the question. Where I could 
>> purchase one of these routers, could I still have my airport expresses like 
>> I do now? With that be a real pain in the you know what to set up? I know it 
>> won't be as easy as it was on the Mac with my airport extreme. But is it 
>> something you could do if you weren't a technical geek type?
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Nov 22, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Kliphton Miller > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Here is the one Scott recommends.  Says you get good range, and it is very 
>>> secure.  On reading upon it, it also has a lot of forwarding features, and 
>>> parental controls for those with kids.
>>> https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Nighthawk-X10-802-11ac-Quad-Stream/dp/B01M12RE4A/ref=cm_cd_al_qh_dp_t
>>>  
>>> 
>>> enjoy!
>>> 
 On Nov 22, 2016, at 5:06 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu > wrote:
 
 I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm going 
 to do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this breaks 
 down.
> On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom  > wrote:
> 
> Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old 
> trusty Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
> /Krister
> 
>> 21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D. > >:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.macworld.com/article/3143604/hardware/rip-airport-apple-may-abandon-wireless-routers-and-time-capsule.html#tk.rss_all
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> XB
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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

[Scott Granados]

I’ve never been able to push more than 18 megabits through any of the WRT 
routers I’ve tried but honestly I jumped off their band wagon once Cisco bought 
them.  This is a huge issue in Cisco gear and has been for their entire life.  
They are known for not providing wire speed solutions.  I would be hesitant to 
try one on my 500 megabit service but even an airport doesn’t quite saturate 
that link.  I use the provided ActionTech router that FIOS offers and then use 
the airports as access points only.  I’ve never gotten a Linksys though to even 
break the 20 megabit mark reliably and that’s on the wired connection let alone 
the WiFi which slows even further.  I’m hoping though this may have changed 
because in principle I like their gear because you can flash different firmware 
on them.  DDWRT and Tomato are very feature packed.

> On Nov 24, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Erik Burggraaf  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> I have used  four or five models of WRT family for about 10 years, 
> recommended them nearly  wholesale to customers, and never experienced any 
> issue where trafic on forwarded ports would be comparatively slower than 
> trafic taking place on a direct connection with no router at all.  This may 
> be partly due to the fact that 5 to 15 mbps for residential internet  is 
> still the gold standard of price vs performance in Canada.  If we were in any 
> way competative in this area, perhapse the difference would be more 
> measurable, but I doubt that it would come down to 1/3 of total capacity.
> 
> Best,
> 
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> On November 23, 2016 7:41:43 PM Scott Granados  
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> 
>> Hi Janina, I thought like most Cisco products the links’s devices had poor 
>> forwarding rates.  In other words, they only forward at a third to a half of 
>> the line rate.  Has this changed in more recent years or does WRT also help 
>> to address this with better more optimized software?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
>> 
>>> On Nov 23, 2016, at 2:23 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's a couple years old now, but I regard the Linksys WRT1900AC as still
>>> a top choice, but not for its native software because It's not all that
>>> accessible. This router runs OpenWRT brilliantly, and OpenWRT is fully
>>> accessible.
>>> 
>>> http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/linksys/wrt_ac_series
>>> 
>>> 
>>> PS: I have no personal experience of any of Linksys' more recent
>>> variants.
>>> 
>>> Just my preference. This is not an out of the box solution. There's some
>>> assembly required, as the old saying goes.
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Kawal Gucukoglu writes:
 I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm going 
 to do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this breaks 
 down.
> On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom  
> wrote:
> 
> Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old 
> trusty Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
> /Krister
> 
>> 21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D. :
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.macworld.com/article/3143604/hardware/rip-airport-apple-may-abandon-wireless-routers-and-time-capsule.html#tk.rss_all
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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I think you can but i am not sure.
My Airport extreme is the newer one with ac support and i’ll definitly keep it 
as long as it lives.
/A
> 23 nov. 2016 kl. 04:30 skrev Mary Otten :
> 
> OK, Scott. I await your results with interest.
> Mary
> 
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> On Nov 22, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> Mary, this is a very good question.  I have not tried this, I will set this 
>> up in my lab over the weekend and see what I can come up with in case nobody 
>> else responds in the mean time.
>> 
>> I would suspect it’s possible and quite easy but not having done it I want 
>> to try before I confirm.
>> 
>>> On Nov 22, 2016, at 5:47 PM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK, I am curious. I have an airport extreme which is working fine, and I 
>>> have to airport expresses connected to stereos because I have airplay and I 
>>> love it. I know the AirPort Extreme is old, it doesn't even have AC, much 
>>> less the one that comes after that. So here's the question. Where I could 
>>> purchase one of these routers, could I still have my airport expresses like 
>>> I do now? With that be a real pain in the you know what to set up? I know 
>>> it won't be as easy as it was on the Mac with my airport extreme. But is it 
>>> something you could do if you weren't a technical geek type?
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Nov 22, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Kliphton Miller >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Here is the one Scott recommends.  Says you get good range, and it is very 
 secure.  On reading upon it, it also has a lot of forwarding features, and 
 parental controls for those with kids.
 https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Nighthawk-X10-802-11ac-Quad-Stream/dp/B01M12RE4A/ref=cm_cd_al_qh_dp_t
  
 
 enjoy!
 
> On Nov 22, 2016, at 5:06 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  > wrote:
> 
> I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm 
> going to do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this 
> breaks down.
>> On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom > > wrote:
>> 
>> Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old 
>> trusty Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
>> /Krister
>> 
>>> 21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D. >> >:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://www.macworld.com/article/3143604/hardware/rip-airport-apple-may-abandon-wireless-routers-and-time-capsule.html#tk.rss_all
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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

[Erik Burggraaf]

Hi Scott,

I have used  four or five models of WRT family for about 10 years, 
recommended them nearly  wholesale to customers, and never experienced any 
issue where trafic on forwarded ports would be comparatively slower than 
trafic taking place on a direct connection with no router at all.  This may 
be partly due to the fact that 5 to 15 mbps for residential internet  is 
still the gold standard of price vs performance in Canada.  If we were in 
any way competative in this area, perhapse the difference would be more 
measurable, but I doubt that it would come down to 1/3 of total capacity.


Best,

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On November 23, 2016 7:41:43 PM Scott Granados  
wrote:


Hi Janina, I thought like most Cisco products the links’s devices had poor 
forwarding rates.  In other words, they only forward at a third to a half 
of the line rate.  Has this changed in more recent years or does WRT also 
help to address this with better more optimized software?


Thanks
Scott

On Nov 23, 2016, at 2:23 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:


It's a couple years old now, but I regard the Linksys WRT1900AC as still
a top choice, but not for its native software because It's not all that
accessible. This router runs OpenWRT brilliantly, and OpenWRT is fully
accessible.

http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/linksys/wrt_ac_series


PS: I have no personal experience of any of Linksys' more recent
variants.

Just my preference. This is not an out of the box solution. There's some
assembly required, as the old saying goes.

Janina


Kawal Gucukoglu writes:
I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm going 
to do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this breaks down.

On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:

Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old 
trusty Airport Extreme breaks down on me?

/Krister


21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D. :



http://www.macworld.com/article/3143604/hardware/rip-airport-apple-may-abandon-wireless-routers-and-time-capsule.html#tk.rss_all

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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

[Tim Kilburn]

Scott,

I'd be interested in your results as well.  I've connected Airport Expresses 
via ethernet to other networks and the Airplay feature remains as easy as ever. 
 I don't have any non-Apple Home routers though to test with to see if WDS or 
whatever the newest connection method is, will work.  Everything at work is 
enterprise stuff so no real method of playing around with this sort of thing.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 22, 2016, at 20:06, Scott Granados  wrote:

Mary, this is a very good question.  I have not tried this, I will set this up 
in my lab over the weekend and see what I can come up with in case nobody else 
responds in the mean time.

I would suspect it’s possible and quite easy but not having done it I want to 
try before I confirm.

> On Nov 22, 2016, at 5:47 PM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
> 
> OK, I am curious. I have an airport extreme which is working fine, and I have 
> to airport expresses connected to stereos because I have airplay and I love 
> it. I know the AirPort Extreme is old, it doesn't even have AC, much less the 
> one that comes after that. So here's the question. Where I could purchase one 
> of these routers, could I still have my airport expresses like I do now? With 
> that be a real pain in the you know what to set up? I know it won't be as 
> easy as it was on the Mac with my airport extreme. But is it something you 
> could do if you weren't a technical geek type?
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 22, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Kliphton Miller  > wrote:
> 
>> Here is the one Scott recommends.  Says you get good range, and it is very 
>> secure.  On reading upon it, it also has a lot of forwarding features, and 
>> parental controls for those with kids.
>> https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Nighthawk-X10-802-11ac-Quad-Stream/dp/B01M12RE4A/ref=cm_cd_al_qh_dp_t
>>  
>> 
>> enjoy!
>> 
>>> On Nov 22, 2016, at 5:06 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm going 
>>> to do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this breaks 
>>> down.
 On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom > wrote:
 
 Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old 
 trusty Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
 /Krister
 
> 21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D.  >:
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.macworld.com/article/3143604/hardware/rip-airport-apple-may-abandon-wireless-routers-and-time-capsule.html#tk.rss_all
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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

[Scott Granados]

Hi Janina, I thought like most Cisco products the links’s devices had poor 
forwarding rates.  In other words, they only forward at a third to a half of 
the line rate.  Has this changed in more recent years or does WRT also help to 
address this with better more optimized software?

Thanks
Scott

> On Nov 23, 2016, at 2:23 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> It's a couple years old now, but I regard the Linksys WRT1900AC as still
> a top choice, but not for its native software because It's not all that
> accessible. This router runs OpenWRT brilliantly, and OpenWRT is fully
> accessible.
> 
> http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/linksys/wrt_ac_series
> 
> 
> PS: I have no personal experience of any of Linksys' more recent
> variants.
> 
> Just my preference. This is not an out of the box solution. There's some
> assembly required, as the old saying goes.
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
> Kawal Gucukoglu writes:
>> I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm going 
>> to do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this breaks 
>> down.
>>> On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old 
>>> trusty Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
>>> /Krister
>>> 
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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

It's a couple years old now, but I regard the Linksys WRT1900AC as still
a top choice, but not for its native software because It's not all that
accessible. This router runs OpenWRT brilliantly, and OpenWRT is fully
accessible.

http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/linksys/wrt_ac_series


PS: I have no personal experience of any of Linksys' more recent
variants.

Just my preference. This is not an out of the box solution. There's some
assembly required, as the old saying goes.

Janina


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> I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm going to 
> do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this breaks down.
> > On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
> > 
> > Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old 
> > trusty Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
> > /Krister
> > 
> >> 21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D. :
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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

[Terje Strømberg]

Wow, that router kicks ass. Only seen it on youtube, but will consider a 
purchase later down the road og the digital highway. Good tips Scott. Hit the 
subscribe and like button for this guy that have taken time to make at least 3 
video guides. Have only seen one video and a purchase will not happen before my 
Time Capsule runs to slow. Here is video 1:  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP61HmcVBJQ

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> 23. nov. 2016 kl. 04.30 skrev Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com>:
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> OK, Scott. I await your results with interest.
> Mary
> 
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> 
>> Mary, this is a very good question.  I have not tried this, I will set this 
>> up in my lab over the weekend and see what I can come up with in case nobody 
>> else responds in the mean time.
>> 
>> I would suspect it’s possible and quite easy but not having done it I want 
>> to try before I confirm.
>> 
>>> On Nov 22, 2016, at 5:47 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK, I am curious. I have an airport extreme which is working fine, and I 
>>> have to airport expresses connected to stereos because I have airplay and I 
>>> love it. I know the AirPort Extreme is old, it doesn't even have AC, much 
>>> less the one that comes after that. So here's the question. Where I could 
>>> purchase one of these routers, could I still have my airport expresses like 
>>> I do now? With that be a real pain in the you know what to set up? I know 
>>> it won't be as easy as it was on the Mac with my airport extreme. But is it 
>>> something you could do if you weren't a technical geek type?
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Nov 22, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Here is the one Scott recommends.  Says you get good range, and it is very 
>>>> secure.  On reading upon it, it also has a lot of forwarding features, and 
>>>> parental controls for those with kids.
>>>> https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Nighthawk-X10-802-11ac-Quad-Stream/dp/B01M12RE4A/ref=cm_cd_al_qh_dp_t
>>>> enjoy!
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 22, 2016, at 5:06 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm 
>>>>> going to do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this 
>>>>> breaks down.
>>>>>> On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old 
>>>>>> trusty Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
>>>>>> /Krister
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D. <dandun...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> http://www.macworld.com/article/3143604/hardware/rip-airport-apple-may-abandon-wireless-routers-and-time-capsule.html#tk.rss_all
>>>>>>> 
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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

[Mary Otten]

OK, Scott. I await your results with interest.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 22, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Mary, this is a very good question.  I have not tried this, I will set this 
> up in my lab over the weekend and see what I can come up with in case nobody 
> else responds in the mean time.
> 
> I would suspect it’s possible and quite easy but not having done it I want to 
> try before I confirm.
> 
>> On Nov 22, 2016, at 5:47 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, I am curious. I have an airport extreme which is working fine, and I 
>> have to airport expresses connected to stereos because I have airplay and I 
>> love it. I know the AirPort Extreme is old, it doesn't even have AC, much 
>> less the one that comes after that. So here's the question. Where I could 
>> purchase one of these routers, could I still have my airport expresses like 
>> I do now? With that be a real pain in the you know what to set up? I know it 
>> won't be as easy as it was on the Mac with my airport extreme. But is it 
>> something you could do if you weren't a technical geek type?
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 22, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Here is the one Scott recommends.  Says you get good range, and it is very 
>>> secure.  On reading upon it, it also has a lot of forwarding features, and 
>>> parental controls for those with kids.
>>> https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Nighthawk-X10-802-11ac-Quad-Stream/dp/B01M12RE4A/ref=cm_cd_al_qh_dp_t
>>> enjoy!
>>> 
> On Nov 22, 2016, at 5:06 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm 
> going to do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this 
> breaks down.
> On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom  
> wrote:
> 
> Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old 
> trusty Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
> /Krister
> 
>> 21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D. :
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.macworld.com/article/3143604/hardware/rip-airport-apple-may-abandon-wireless-routers-and-time-capsule.html#tk.rss_all
>> 
>> XB
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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

[Scott Granados]

Mary, this is a very good question.  I have not tried this, I will set this up 
in my lab over the weekend and see what I can come up with in case nobody else 
responds in the mean time.

I would suspect it’s possible and quite easy but not having done it I want to 
try before I confirm.

> On Nov 22, 2016, at 5:47 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> OK, I am curious. I have an airport extreme which is working fine, and I have 
> to airport expresses connected to stereos because I have airplay and I love 
> it. I know the AirPort Extreme is old, it doesn't even have AC, much less the 
> one that comes after that. So here's the question. Where I could purchase one 
> of these routers, could I still have my airport expresses like I do now? With 
> that be a real pain in the you know what to set up? I know it won't be as 
> easy as it was on the Mac with my airport extreme. But is it something you 
> could do if you weren't a technical geek type?
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 22, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Kliphton Miller  > wrote:
> 
>> Here is the one Scott recommends.  Says you get good range, and it is very 
>> secure.  On reading upon it, it also has a lot of forwarding features, and 
>> parental controls for those with kids.
>> https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Nighthawk-X10-802-11ac-Quad-Stream/dp/B01M12RE4A/ref=cm_cd_al_qh_dp_t
>>  
>> 
>> enjoy!
>> 
>>> On Nov 22, 2016, at 5:06 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm going 
>>> to do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this breaks 
>>> down.
 On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom > wrote:
 
 Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old 
 trusty Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
 /Krister
 
> 21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D.  >:
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.macworld.com/article/3143604/hardware/rip-airport-apple-may-abandon-wireless-routers-and-time-capsule.html#tk.rss_all
>  
> 
> 
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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

[Mary Otten]

OK, I am curious. I have an airport extreme which is working fine, and I have 
to airport expresses connected to stereos because I have airplay and I love it. 
I know the AirPort Extreme is old, it doesn't even have AC, much less the one 
that comes after that. So here's the question. Where I could purchase one of 
these routers, could I still have my airport expresses like I do now? With that 
be a real pain in the you know what to set up? I know it won't be as easy as it 
was on the Mac with my airport extreme. But is it something you could do if you 
weren't a technical geek type?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 22, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> Here is the one Scott recommends.  Says you get good range, and it is very 
> secure.  On reading upon it, it also has a lot of forwarding features, and 
> parental controls for those with kids.
> https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Nighthawk-X10-802-11ac-Quad-Stream/dp/B01M12RE4A/ref=cm_cd_al_qh_dp_t
> enjoy!
> 
>>> On Nov 22, 2016, at 5:06 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm going 
>>> to do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this breaks 
>>> down.
>>> On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old 
>>> trusty Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
>>> /Krister
>>> 
 21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D. :
 
 
 
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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

[E.T.]

Kawal,
   I have been using this router for several months. If cost is a 
factor, this might be of interest.




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On 11/22/2016 2:06 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm going to 
do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this breaks down.

On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:

Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old trusty 
Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
/Krister


21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D. :



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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

[Kliphton Miller]

Here is the one Scott recommends.  Says you get good range, and it is very 
secure.  On reading upon it, it also has a lot of forwarding features, and 
parental controls for those with kids.
https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Nighthawk-X10-802-11ac-Quad-Stream/dp/B01M12RE4A/ref=cm_cd_al_qh_dp_t
 

enjoy!

> On Nov 22, 2016, at 5:06 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm going to 
> do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this breaks down.
>> On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
>> 
>> Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old trusty 
>> Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
>> /Krister
>> 
>>> 21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D. :
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://www.macworld.com/article/3143604/hardware/rip-airport-apple-may-abandon-wireless-routers-and-time-capsule.html#tk.rss_all
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[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm going to 
do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this breaks down.
> On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
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> Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old trusty 
> Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
> /Krister
> 
>> 21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D. :
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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

[Krister Ekstrom]

Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old trusty 
Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
/Krister

> 21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D. :
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.macworld.com/article/3143604/hardware/rip-airport-apple-may-abandon-wireless-routers-and-time-capsule.html#tk.rss_all
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RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

[Dan D.]

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Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Scott Granados]

Jeff, you’ll find that applications like SIP calling or other bi directional 
protocols will work a whole lot better now with out the double nat. Also, do 
not feel bad about the plugging in of cables.  Sited and blind alike we all 
forget to plug things in even after all these years.  Hell I forget my glasses 
when I’m wearing them so no worries.  Let us know how your doing.
 

> On Sep 22, 2016, at 1:23 PM, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name> wrote:
> 
> Okay, now that we have figured out the weak link in your otherwise brilliant 
> plans (me), I have implemented the original solution and the network seems to 
> be working.  It will be some time before I notice if the intermittent wifi 
> outages are fixed, but I don’t have the Double NAT error (which I previously 
> didn’t know was an error), so I’d say that we are further ahead than when we 
> started.
> 
> Thank you for all your suggestions, guidance and help!
> 
> Jeff
> 
>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 10:05 AM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Jeff,
>> 
>> Thanks for the update.  Good luck.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 07:12, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have discovered this morning, that the most important step in working with 
>> wired networking, is to connect the correct ethernet cable.  Not sure how I 
>> pugged the wrong one in, but I’ve found another cable that has brought the 
>> system back online.  This weekend I’ll try setting things up properly, but 
>> for now at least, I’m up and running.
>> 
>> Thanks again for all the help and I’ll check back in on the weekend. :)
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 10:07 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
>>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Jef,
>>> 
>>> OK.  It sounds like Bell may have some odd things going on with their 
>>> modem/router.  Scott and Jonathan may have had a point with respect to how 
>>> many machines that they are accepting through their device.  Jerks.  That 
>>> refers to Bell, not Scott or Jonathan :).  Let's do the following:
>>> 
>>> 1.  TC #1, set with DHCP and NAT.  In the status, it may report an error, 
>>> but you can tell the TC to ignore that error in Airport Utility.  Also, 
>>> make sure that the ethernet cable goes into the WAN port which is the one 
>>> closest to the USB port on your TC.
>>> 2.  Connect TC #2 to the hub like before, but make sure that TC #2 has the 
>>> ethernet going into its WAN port as well.
>>> 3.  Make sure that TC #2 is in Bridge mode.
>>> 4.  turn off the wireless broadcasting on the Bell if you can.
>>> 5.  Make sure that both TC's have the same wireless SSID, same security and 
>>> same password for the WiFi signal.  The actual TC configuration passwords 
>>> are immaterial.
>>> 
>>> Please eMail me the IP addresses for each device if you can.  That is, WAN 
>>> and LAN addresses as well as the router address of each of the Bell device, 
>>> TC #1 and TC #2.  In Airport Utility, under the Internet tab, you can find 
>>> the extra info I'm hoping for.  The WAN and LAN can usually be found on the 
>>> front page of the Airport Utility for each TC but the router info is found 
>>> under the Internet tab.
>>> 
>>> Hope things get worked out quick for you.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 18:25, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So far, no joy!
>>> 
>>> I made the changes, but my network has completely crapped out on me.  As a 
>>> result, I’ve undone everything I did, but things are still not working.
>>> 
>>> It seems that computers connected to the hub which is connected to the 1st 
>>> Time Capsule are self-assigning ip addresses.  One is a Windows machine and 
>>> one is a MacBook Pro.  I can’t figure out how to convince them to get their 
>>> ip from the Time Capsule which is again set to  DHCP and NAT.  I’m fine 
>>> with the problems for now, I just need to get my home network up and 
>>> running again by tomorrow as I work from home.
>>> 
>>> I’ll try fiddling again on the weekend.  As it stands now, I’ve ben at this 
>>> f

Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Jeff Berwick]

Okay, now that we have figured out the weak link in your otherwise brilliant 
plans (me), I have implemented the original solution and the network seems to 
be working.  It will be some time before I notice if the intermittent wifi 
outages are fixed, but I don’t have the Double NAT error (which I previously 
didn’t know was an error), so I’d say that we are further ahead than when we 
started.

Thank you for all your suggestions, guidance and help!

Jeff

> On Sep 22, 2016, at 10:05 AM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Jeff,
> 
> Thanks for the update.  Good luck.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 07:12, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
> 
> I have discovered this morning, that the most important step in working with 
> wired networking, is to connect the correct ethernet cable.  Not sure how I 
> pugged the wrong one in, but I’ve found another cable that has brought the 
> system back online.  This weekend I’ll try setting things up properly, but 
> for now at least, I’m up and running.
> 
> Thanks again for all the help and I’ll check back in on the weekend. :)
> 
> Jeff
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 10:07 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jef,
>> 
>> OK.  It sounds like Bell may have some odd things going on with their 
>> modem/router.  Scott and Jonathan may have had a point with respect to how 
>> many machines that they are accepting through their device.  Jerks.  That 
>> refers to Bell, not Scott or Jonathan :).  Let's do the following:
>> 
>> 1.  TC #1, set with DHCP and NAT.  In the status, it may report an error, 
>> but you can tell the TC to ignore that error in Airport Utility.  Also, make 
>> sure that the ethernet cable goes into the WAN port which is the one closest 
>> to the USB port on your TC.
>> 2.  Connect TC #2 to the hub like before, but make sure that TC #2 has the 
>> ethernet going into its WAN port as well.
>> 3.  Make sure that TC #2 is in Bridge mode.
>> 4.  turn off the wireless broadcasting on the Bell if you can.
>> 5.  Make sure that both TC's have the same wireless SSID, same security and 
>> same password for the WiFi signal.  The actual TC configuration passwords 
>> are immaterial.
>> 
>> Please eMail me the IP addresses for each device if you can.  That is, WAN 
>> and LAN addresses as well as the router address of each of the Bell device, 
>> TC #1 and TC #2.  In Airport Utility, under the Internet tab, you can find 
>> the extra info I'm hoping for.  The WAN and LAN can usually be found on the 
>> front page of the Airport Utility for each TC but the router info is found 
>> under the Internet tab.
>> 
>> Hope things get worked out quick for you.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 18:25, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>> 
>> So far, no joy!
>> 
>> I made the changes, but my network has completely crapped out on me.  As a 
>> result, I’ve undone everything I did, but things are still not working.
>> 
>> It seems that computers connected to the hub which is connected to the 1st 
>> Time Capsule are self-assigning ip addresses.  One is a Windows machine and 
>> one is a MacBook Pro.  I can’t figure out how to convince them to get their 
>> ip from the Time Capsule which is again set to  DHCP and NAT.  I’m fine with 
>> the problems for now, I just need to get my home network up and running 
>> again by tomorrow as I work from home.
>> 
>> I’ll try fiddling again on the weekend.  As it stands now, I’ve ben at this 
>> for 4 hours and I’m frustrated.
>> 
>> Any thoughts?
>> 
>> Thx,
>> Jef
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Another thing too, some providers like Comcast use your router to deliver 
>>> their services.  Everywhere you see for example an Xfinity SSID that’s 
>>> being broadcast, unknowingly by most, by your home comcast routers.  They 
>>> sell WiFi access and use their customers networks to carry the traffic.  I 
>>> do think they break off a separate channel structure but still if I want to 
>>> be a gateway for Comcast they can pay me for it.
>>> 
>>> Great move turning that off.  I don’t know if Bell does such things.
>>> 
&

Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Tim Kilburn]

Jeff,

Thanks for the update.  Good luck.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 22, 2016, at 07:12, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name> wrote:

I have discovered this morning, that the most important step in working with 
wired networking, is to connect the correct ethernet cable.  Not sure how I 
pugged the wrong one in, but I’ve found another cable that has brought the 
system back online.  This weekend I’ll try setting things up properly, but for 
now at least, I’m up and running.

Thanks again for all the help and I’ll check back in on the weekend. :)

Jeff

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 10:07 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jef,
> 
> OK.  It sounds like Bell may have some odd things going on with their 
> modem/router.  Scott and Jonathan may have had a point with respect to how 
> many machines that they are accepting through their device.  Jerks.  That 
> refers to Bell, not Scott or Jonathan :).  Let's do the following:
> 
> 1.  TC #1, set with DHCP and NAT.  In the status, it may report an error, but 
> you can tell the TC to ignore that error in Airport Utility.  Also, make sure 
> that the ethernet cable goes into the WAN port which is the one closest to 
> the USB port on your TC.
> 2.  Connect TC #2 to the hub like before, but make sure that TC #2 has the 
> ethernet going into its WAN port as well.
> 3.  Make sure that TC #2 is in Bridge mode.
> 4.  turn off the wireless broadcasting on the Bell if you can.
> 5.  Make sure that both TC's have the same wireless SSID, same security and 
> same password for the WiFi signal.  The actual TC configuration passwords are 
> immaterial.
> 
> Please eMail me the IP addresses for each device if you can.  That is, WAN 
> and LAN addresses as well as the router address of each of the Bell device, 
> TC #1 and TC #2.  In Airport Utility, under the Internet tab, you can find 
> the extra info I'm hoping for.  The WAN and LAN can usually be found on the 
> front page of the Airport Utility for each TC but the router info is found 
> under the Internet tab.
> 
> Hope things get worked out quick for you.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 18:25, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
> 
> So far, no joy!
> 
> I made the changes, but my network has completely crapped out on me.  As a 
> result, I’ve undone everything I did, but things are still not working.
> 
> It seems that computers connected to the hub which is connected to the 1st 
> Time Capsule are self-assigning ip addresses.  One is a Windows machine and 
> one is a MacBook Pro.  I can’t figure out how to convince them to get their 
> ip from the Time Capsule which is again set to  DHCP and NAT.  I’m fine with 
> the problems for now, I just need to get my home network up and running again 
> by tomorrow as I work from home.
> 
> I’ll try fiddling again on the weekend.  As it stands now, I’ve ben at this 
> for 4 hours and I’m frustrated.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Thx,
> Jef
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Another thing too, some providers like Comcast use your router to deliver 
>> their services.  Everywhere you see for example an Xfinity SSID that’s being 
>> broadcast, unknowingly by most, by your home comcast routers.  They sell 
>> WiFi access and use their customers networks to carry the traffic.  I do 
>> think they break off a separate channel structure but still if I want to be 
>> a gateway for Comcast they can pay me for it.
>> 
>> Great move turning that off.  I don’t know if Bell does such things.
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:13 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
>>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>> 
>>> I prefer it that way as well.  That is, turn off the wireless broadcasting 
>>> of your ISP device.  Some devices don't play nice together when setting up 
>>> a roaming kind of design, which is essentially what you're doing.  The two 
>>> Time Capsules will play nice together.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:06, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Perfect.  Yes, the Bell Router/modem broadcasts a wireless signal, but I 
>>> intend on turning that off.  I’m trying to keep my kids safe by routing 
>>> things

Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Jeff Berwick]

I have discovered this morning, that the most important step in working with 
wired networking, is to connect the correct ethernet cable.  Not sure how I 
pugged the wrong one in, but I’ve found another cable that has brought the 
system back online.  This weekend I’ll try setting things up properly, but for 
now at least, I’m up and running.

Thanks again for all the help and I’ll check back in on the weekend. :)

Jeff

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 10:07 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jef,
> 
> OK.  It sounds like Bell may have some odd things going on with their 
> modem/router.  Scott and Jonathan may have had a point with respect to how 
> many machines that they are accepting through their device.  Jerks.  That 
> refers to Bell, not Scott or Jonathan :).  Let's do the following:
> 
> 1.  TC #1, set with DHCP and NAT.  In the status, it may report an error, but 
> you can tell the TC to ignore that error in Airport Utility.  Also, make sure 
> that the ethernet cable goes into the WAN port which is the one closest to 
> the USB port on your TC.
> 2.  Connect TC #2 to the hub like before, but make sure that TC #2 has the 
> ethernet going into its WAN port as well.
> 3.  Make sure that TC #2 is in Bridge mode.
> 4.  turn off the wireless broadcasting on the Bell if you can.
> 5.  Make sure that both TC's have the same wireless SSID, same security and 
> same password for the WiFi signal.  The actual TC configuration passwords are 
> immaterial.
> 
> Please eMail me the IP addresses for each device if you can.  That is, WAN 
> and LAN addresses as well as the router address of each of the Bell device, 
> TC #1 and TC #2.  In Airport Utility, under the Internet tab, you can find 
> the extra info I'm hoping for.  The WAN and LAN can usually be found on the 
> front page of the Airport Utility for each TC but the router info is found 
> under the Internet tab.
> 
> Hope things get worked out quick for you.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 18:25, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
> 
> So far, no joy!
> 
> I made the changes, but my network has completely crapped out on me.  As a 
> result, I’ve undone everything I did, but things are still not working.
> 
> It seems that computers connected to the hub which is connected to the 1st 
> Time Capsule are self-assigning ip addresses.  One is a Windows machine and 
> one is a MacBook Pro.  I can’t figure out how to convince them to get their 
> ip from the Time Capsule which is again set to  DHCP and NAT.  I’m fine with 
> the problems for now, I just need to get my home network up and running again 
> by tomorrow as I work from home.
> 
> I’ll try fiddling again on the weekend.  As it stands now, I’ve ben at this 
> for 4 hours and I’m frustrated.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Thx,
> Jef
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Another thing too, some providers like Comcast use your router to deliver 
>> their services.  Everywhere you see for example an Xfinity SSID that’s being 
>> broadcast, unknowingly by most, by your home comcast routers.  They sell 
>> WiFi access and use their customers networks to carry the traffic.  I do 
>> think they break off a separate channel structure but still if I want to be 
>> a gateway for Comcast they can pay me for it.
>> 
>> Great move turning that off.  I don’t know if Bell does such things.
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:13 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
>>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>> 
>>> I prefer it that way as well.  That is, turn off the wireless broadcasting 
>>> of your ISP device.  Some devices don't play nice together when setting up 
>>> a roaming kind of design, which is essentially what you're doing.  The two 
>>> Time Capsules will play nice together.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:06, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Perfect.  Yes, the Bell Router/modem broadcasts a wireless signal, but I 
>>> intend on turning that off.  I’m trying to keep my kids safe by routing 
>>> things through my home network where I can control access and DNS.
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:05 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
>>>> <

Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Jeff Berwick]

I am in Ontarioand am up and back at it.  Complicating things, we had house 
guests last night and they sleep in my router room.  As a result, I’m waiting 
for them to wake up before starting again. :)

Jeff

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 10:08 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Jef,
> 
> Which province are you in?  Just figuring out Time Zone things in case we may 
> need to speak in person.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 18:25, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
> 
> So far, no joy!
> 
> I made the changes, but my network has completely crapped out on me.  As a 
> result, I’ve undone everything I did, but things are still not working.
> 
> It seems that computers connected to the hub which is connected to the 1st 
> Time Capsule are self-assigning ip addresses.  One is a Windows machine and 
> one is a MacBook Pro.  I can’t figure out how to convince them to get their 
> ip from the Time Capsule which is again set to  DHCP and NAT.  I’m fine with 
> the problems for now, I just need to get my home network up and running again 
> by tomorrow as I work from home.
> 
> I’ll try fiddling again on the weekend.  As it stands now, I’ve ben at this 
> for 4 hours and I’m frustrated.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Thx,
> Jef
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Another thing too, some providers like Comcast use your router to deliver 
>> their services.  Everywhere you see for example an Xfinity SSID that’s being 
>> broadcast, unknowingly by most, by your home comcast routers.  They sell 
>> WiFi access and use their customers networks to carry the traffic.  I do 
>> think they break off a separate channel structure but still if I want to be 
>> a gateway for Comcast they can pay me for it.
>> 
>> Great move turning that off.  I don’t know if Bell does such things.
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:13 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
>>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>> 
>>> I prefer it that way as well.  That is, turn off the wireless broadcasting 
>>> of your ISP device.  Some devices don't play nice together when setting up 
>>> a roaming kind of design, which is essentially what you're doing.  The two 
>>> Time Capsules will play nice together.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:06, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Perfect.  Yes, the Bell Router/modem broadcasts a wireless signal, but I 
>>> intend on turning that off.  I’m trying to keep my kids safe by routing 
>>> things through my home network where I can control access and DNS.
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:05 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
>>>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Jeff,
>>>> 
>>>> They would be on the same network as the Bell modem/router device would 
>>>> provide the networking framework and the Internet translation.  Your Time 
>>>> Capsules would provide the wireless signal.  One extra question, do you 
>>>> know if your Bell device also broadcasts a wireless signal?
>>>> 
>>>> Later...
>>>> 
>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>> 
>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:02, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>>>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> In this scenario, would the two Time Capsules be on the same network, or 
>>>> would they be on separate networks?  Just wondering if devices on each 
>>>> will be able to see each other.
>>>> 
>>>> Thx,
>>>> Jeff
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>>>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here’s how i would address this issue, Tim and John and anyone else 
>>>>> please input your ideas.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1. I would take the first time capsule out of router mode and put also in 
>>>>> to bridge mode.
>>>>> 2. I would wire your first time

Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Tim Kilburn]

Jef,

Which province are you in?  Just figuring out Time Zone things in case we may 
need to speak in person.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 21, 2016, at 18:25, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name> wrote:

So far, no joy!

I made the changes, but my network has completely crapped out on me.  As a 
result, I’ve undone everything I did, but things are still not working.

It seems that computers connected to the hub which is connected to the 1st Time 
Capsule are self-assigning ip addresses.  One is a Windows machine and one is a 
MacBook Pro.  I can’t figure out how to convince them to get their ip from the 
Time Capsule which is again set to  DHCP and NAT.  I’m fine with the problems 
for now, I just need to get my home network up and running again by tomorrow as 
I work from home.

I’ll try fiddling again on the weekend.  As it stands now, I’ve ben at this for 
4 hours and I’m frustrated.

Any thoughts?

Thx,
Jef

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
> 
> Another thing too, some providers like Comcast use your router to deliver 
> their services.  Everywhere you see for example an Xfinity SSID that’s being 
> broadcast, unknowingly by most, by your home comcast routers.  They sell WiFi 
> access and use their customers networks to carry the traffic.  I do think 
> they break off a separate channel structure but still if I want to be a 
> gateway for Comcast they can pay me for it.
> 
> Great move turning that off.  I don’t know if Bell does such things.
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:13 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jeff,
>> 
>> I prefer it that way as well.  That is, turn off the wireless broadcasting 
>> of your ISP device.  Some devices don't play nice together when setting up a 
>> roaming kind of design, which is essentially what you're doing.  The two 
>> Time Capsules will play nice together.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:06, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>> 
>> Perfect.  Yes, the Bell Router/modem broadcasts a wireless signal, but I 
>> intend on turning that off.  I’m trying to keep my kids safe by routing 
>> things through my home network where I can control access and DNS.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:05 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
>>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jeff,
>>> 
>>> They would be on the same network as the Bell modem/router device would 
>>> provide the networking framework and the Internet translation.  Your Time 
>>> Capsules would provide the wireless signal.  One extra question, do you 
>>> know if your Bell device also broadcasts a wireless signal?
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:02, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> In this scenario, would the two Time Capsules be on the same network, or 
>>> would they be on separate networks?  Just wondering if devices on each will 
>>> be able to see each other.
>>> 
>>> Thx,
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Here’s how i would address this issue, Tim and John and anyone else please 
>>>> input your ideas.
>>>> 
>>>> 1. I would take the first time capsule out of router mode and put also in 
>>>> to bridge mode.
>>>> 2. I would wire your first time capsule right to your cable modem.
>>>> 3. I would take the second time capsule and also wire to the modem, do not 
>>>> use the time capsule for this if you can for simplicity.
>>>> 
>>>> At this point, your cable modem which we should also call a router to be 
>>>> correct is doing the NAT translation and routing work.  Each timecapsule 
>>>> will be acting as an access point only.  Each should receive a 192 address 
>>>> in this configuration and not have DHCP enabled at all. This will solve 
>>>> the double NAT problem with out calling the carrier and also simplify your 
>>>> access point side.
>>>> 
>>>> What do you think?
>>>> 
>>>> D

Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Jef,

OK.  It sounds like Bell may have some odd things going on with their 
modem/router.  Scott and Jonathan may have had a point with respect to how many 
machines that they are accepting through their device.  Jerks.  That refers to 
Bell, not Scott or Jonathan :).  Let's do the following:

1.  TC #1, set with DHCP and NAT.  In the status, it may report an error, but 
you can tell the TC to ignore that error in Airport Utility.  Also, make sure 
that the ethernet cable goes into the WAN port which is the one closest to the 
USB port on your TC.
2.  Connect TC #2 to the hub like before, but make sure that TC #2 has the 
ethernet going into its WAN port as well.
3.  Make sure that TC #2 is in Bridge mode.
4.  turn off the wireless broadcasting on the Bell if you can.
5.  Make sure that both TC's have the same wireless SSID, same security and 
same password for the WiFi signal.  The actual TC configuration passwords are 
immaterial.

Please eMail me the IP addresses for each device if you can.  That is, WAN and 
LAN addresses as well as the router address of each of the Bell device, TC #1 
and TC #2.  In Airport Utility, under the Internet tab, you can find the extra 
info I'm hoping for.  The WAN and LAN can usually be found on the front page of 
the Airport Utility for each TC but the router info is found under the Internet 
tab.

Hope things get worked out quick for you.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 21, 2016, at 18:25, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name> wrote:

So far, no joy!

I made the changes, but my network has completely crapped out on me.  As a 
result, I’ve undone everything I did, but things are still not working.

It seems that computers connected to the hub which is connected to the 1st Time 
Capsule are self-assigning ip addresses.  One is a Windows machine and one is a 
MacBook Pro.  I can’t figure out how to convince them to get their ip from the 
Time Capsule which is again set to  DHCP and NAT.  I’m fine with the problems 
for now, I just need to get my home network up and running again by tomorrow as 
I work from home.

I’ll try fiddling again on the weekend.  As it stands now, I’ve ben at this for 
4 hours and I’m frustrated.

Any thoughts?

Thx,
Jef

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
> 
> Another thing too, some providers like Comcast use your router to deliver 
> their services.  Everywhere you see for example an Xfinity SSID that’s being 
> broadcast, unknowingly by most, by your home comcast routers.  They sell WiFi 
> access and use their customers networks to carry the traffic.  I do think 
> they break off a separate channel structure but still if I want to be a 
> gateway for Comcast they can pay me for it.
> 
> Great move turning that off.  I don’t know if Bell does such things.
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:13 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jeff,
>> 
>> I prefer it that way as well.  That is, turn off the wireless broadcasting 
>> of your ISP device.  Some devices don't play nice together when setting up a 
>> roaming kind of design, which is essentially what you're doing.  The two 
>> Time Capsules will play nice together.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:06, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>> 
>> Perfect.  Yes, the Bell Router/modem broadcasts a wireless signal, but I 
>> intend on turning that off.  I’m trying to keep my kids safe by routing 
>> things through my home network where I can control access and DNS.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:05 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
>>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jeff,
>>> 
>>> They would be on the same network as the Bell modem/router device would 
>>> provide the networking framework and the Internet translation.  Your Time 
>>> Capsules would provide the wireless signal.  One extra question, do you 
>>> know if your Bell device also broadcasts a wireless signal?
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:02, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> In this scenario, would the two Time Capsules be on the same network, or 
>>> would they be on separate networks?  Just wondering if devices on each will 
>>> be able to see each other.
>>> 
>>> Thx,
>>> Jeff
>

Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Jeff Berwick]

So far, no joy!

I made the changes, but my network has completely crapped out on me.  As a 
result, I’ve undone everything I did, but things are still not working.

It seems that computers connected to the hub which is connected to the 1st Time 
Capsule are self-assigning ip addresses.  One is a Windows machine and one is a 
MacBook Pro.  I can’t figure out how to convince them to get their ip from the 
Time Capsule which is again set to  DHCP and NAT.  I’m fine with the problems 
for now, I just need to get my home network up and running again by tomorrow as 
I work from home.

I’ll try fiddling again on the weekend.  As it stands now, I’ve ben at this for 
4 hours and I’m frustrated.

Any thoughts?

Thx,
Jef

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
> 
> Another thing too, some providers like Comcast use your router to deliver 
> their services.  Everywhere you see for example an Xfinity SSID that’s being 
> broadcast, unknowingly by most, by your home comcast routers.  They sell WiFi 
> access and use their customers networks to carry the traffic.  I do think 
> they break off a separate channel structure but still if I want to be a 
> gateway for Comcast they can pay me for it.
> 
> Great move turning that off.  I don’t know if Bell does such things.
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:13 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jeff,
>> 
>> I prefer it that way as well.  That is, turn off the wireless broadcasting 
>> of your ISP device.  Some devices don't play nice together when setting up a 
>> roaming kind of design, which is essentially what you're doing.  The two 
>> Time Capsules will play nice together.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:06, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>> 
>> Perfect.  Yes, the Bell Router/modem broadcasts a wireless signal, but I 
>> intend on turning that off.  I’m trying to keep my kids safe by routing 
>> things through my home network where I can control access and DNS.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:05 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
>>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jeff,
>>> 
>>> They would be on the same network as the Bell modem/router device would 
>>> provide the networking framework and the Internet translation.  Your Time 
>>> Capsules would provide the wireless signal.  One extra question, do you 
>>> know if your Bell device also broadcasts a wireless signal?
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:02, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> In this scenario, would the two Time Capsules be on the same network, or 
>>> would they be on separate networks?  Just wondering if devices on each will 
>>> be able to see each other.
>>> 
>>> Thx,
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Here’s how i would address this issue, Tim and John and anyone else please 
>>>> input your ideas.
>>>> 
>>>> 1. I would take the first time capsule out of router mode and put also in 
>>>> to bridge mode.
>>>> 2. I would wire your first time capsule right to your cable modem.
>>>> 3. I would take the second time capsule and also wire to the modem, do not 
>>>> use the time capsule for this if you can for simplicity.
>>>> 
>>>> At this point, your cable modem which we should also call a router to be 
>>>> correct is doing the NAT translation and routing work.  Each timecapsule 
>>>> will be acting as an access point only.  Each should receive a 192 address 
>>>> in this configuration and not have DHCP enabled at all. This will solve 
>>>> the double NAT problem with out calling the carrier and also simplify your 
>>>> access point side.
>>>> 
>>>> What do you think?
>>>> 
>>>> Did you recently have your modem replaced?  Sounds like they swapped out a 
>>>> modem with a router and didn’t tell you the environment was changing.
>>>> 
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:4

Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Scott Granados]

Another thing too, some providers like Comcast use your router to deliver their 
services.  Everywhere you see for example an Xfinity SSID that’s being 
broadcast, unknowingly by most, by your home comcast routers.  They sell WiFi 
access and use their customers networks to carry the traffic.  I do think they 
break off a separate channel structure but still if I want to be a gateway for 
Comcast they can pay me for it.

Great move turning that off.  I don’t know if Bell does such things.

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:13 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jeff,
> 
> I prefer it that way as well.  That is, turn off the wireless broadcasting of 
> your ISP device.  Some devices don't play nice together when setting up a 
> roaming kind of design, which is essentially what you're doing.  The two Time 
> Capsules will play nice together.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:06, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
> 
> Perfect.  Yes, the Bell Router/modem broadcasts a wireless signal, but I 
> intend on turning that off.  I’m trying to keep my kids safe by routing 
> things through my home network where I can control access and DNS.
> 
> Jeff
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:05 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Jeff,
>> 
>> They would be on the same network as the Bell modem/router device would 
>> provide the networking framework and the Internet translation.  Your Time 
>> Capsules would provide the wireless signal.  One extra question, do you know 
>> if your Bell device also broadcasts a wireless signal?
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:02, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>> 
>> In this scenario, would the two Time Capsules be on the same network, or 
>> would they be on separate networks?  Just wondering if devices on each will 
>> be able to see each other.
>> 
>> Thx,
>> Jeff
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Here’s how i would address this issue, Tim and John and anyone else please 
>>> input your ideas.
>>> 
>>> 1. I would take the first time capsule out of router mode and put also in 
>>> to bridge mode.
>>> 2. I would wire your first time capsule right to your cable modem.
>>> 3. I would take the second time capsule and also wire to the modem, do not 
>>> use the time capsule for this if you can for simplicity.
>>> 
>>> At this point, your cable modem which we should also call a router to be 
>>> correct is doing the NAT translation and routing work.  Each timecapsule 
>>> will be acting as an access point only.  Each should receive a 192 address 
>>> in this configuration and not have DHCP enabled at all. This will solve the 
>>> double NAT problem with out calling the carrier and also simplify your 
>>> access point side.
>>> 
>>> What do you think?
>>> 
>>> Did you recently have your modem replaced?  Sounds like they swapped out a 
>>> modem with a router and didn’t tell you the environment was changing.
>>> 
>>> Thoughts?
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:49 PM, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>>>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The 1st Time Capsule is:
>>>> 
>>>> ip: 192.168.2.10 and lan 10.0.2.1
>>>> 
>>>> The 2nd Time Capsule is:
>>>> 
>>>> IP: 10.0.2.4 and LAN: same (10.0.2.4)
>>>> 
>>>> Jeff
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>>>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bam, Tim scores!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Your cable modem is in NAT mode hence the double NAT.  SO your cable 
>>>>> modem is NAT translating the packets from a real IP on the outside to an 
>>>>> inside IP from the 192 space.  What IP is on the other inside time 
>>>>> capsule if you don’t mind?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>>>>>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>>

Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Jeff Berwick]

I appreciate everybody’s assistance on this.  I’ll let you know how it goes.
Thx,
Jeff

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:12 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
> 
> Great question, yes they would be on the same network.  The head end cable 
> device will be the one providing the services and the airports will be 
> providing bridging or access point like functionality only.  Everything 
> should see everything else.
>  
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:02 PM, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>> 
>> In this scenario, would the two Time Capsules be on the same network, or 
>> would they be on separate networks?  Just wondering if devices on each will 
>> be able to see each other.
>> 
>> Thx,
>> Jeff
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Here’s how i would address this issue, Tim and John and anyone else please 
>>> input your ideas.
>>> 
>>> 1. I would take the first time capsule out of router mode and put also in 
>>> to bridge mode.
>>> 2. I would wire your first time capsule right to your cable modem.
>>> 3. I would take the second time capsule and also wire to the modem, do not 
>>> use the time capsule for this if you can for simplicity.
>>> 
>>> At this point, your cable modem which we should also call a router to be 
>>> correct is doing the NAT translation and routing work.  Each timecapsule 
>>> will be acting as an access point only.  Each should receive a 192 address 
>>> in this configuration and not have DHCP enabled at all. This will solve the 
>>> double NAT problem with out calling the carrier and also simplify your 
>>> access point side.
>>> 
>>> What do you think?
>>> 
>>> Did you recently have your modem replaced?  Sounds like they swapped out a 
>>> modem with a router and didn’t tell you the environment was changing.
>>> 
>>> Thoughts?
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:49 PM, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>>>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The 1st Time Capsule is:
>>>> 
>>>> ip: 192.168.2.10 and lan 10.0.2.1
>>>> 
>>>> The 2nd Time Capsule is:
>>>> 
>>>> IP: 10.0.2.4 and LAN: same (10.0.2.4)
>>>> 
>>>> Jeff
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>>>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bam, Tim scores!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Your cable modem is in NAT mode hence the double NAT.  SO your cable 
>>>>> modem is NAT translating the packets from a real IP on the outside to an 
>>>>> inside IP from the 192 space.  What IP is on the other inside time 
>>>>> capsule if you don’t mind?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>>>>>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The modem reports an ip address of 192.168.2.1.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
>>>>>>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jeff,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What IP does your first TC report for the WAN and LAN when in the 
>>>>>>> Airport Utility?  This can help to determine whether your Bell modem is 
>>>>>>> in Bridge mode or not.  I suspect that it is not as most ISP's don't 
>>>>>>> put their devices in Bridge mode unless you specifically ask them to.
>>>>>>> Later...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:29, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>>>>>>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Well, you’re losing me a bit, but this is the setup:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cable modem connects to first time Capsule via ethernet,
>>>>>

Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Jeff,

I prefer it that way as well.  That is, turn off the wireless broadcasting of 
your ISP device.  Some devices don't play nice together when setting up a 
roaming kind of design, which is essentially what you're doing.  The two Time 
Capsules will play nice together.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:06, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name> wrote:

Perfect.  Yes, the Bell Router/modem broadcasts a wireless signal, but I intend 
on turning that off.  I’m trying to keep my kids safe by routing things through 
my home network where I can control access and DNS.

Jeff

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:05 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
> 
> Jeff,
> 
> They would be on the same network as the Bell modem/router device would 
> provide the networking framework and the Internet translation.  Your Time 
> Capsules would provide the wireless signal.  One extra question, do you know 
> if your Bell device also broadcasts a wireless signal?
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:02, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
> 
> In this scenario, would the two Time Capsules be on the same network, or 
> would they be on separate networks?  Just wondering if devices on each will 
> be able to see each other.
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Here’s how i would address this issue, Tim and John and anyone else please 
>> input your ideas.
>> 
>> 1. I would take the first time capsule out of router mode and put also in to 
>> bridge mode.
>> 2. I would wire your first time capsule right to your cable modem.
>> 3. I would take the second time capsule and also wire to the modem, do not 
>> use the time capsule for this if you can for simplicity.
>> 
>> At this point, your cable modem which we should also call a router to be 
>> correct is doing the NAT translation and routing work.  Each timecapsule 
>> will be acting as an access point only.  Each should receive a 192 address 
>> in this configuration and not have DHCP enabled at all. This will solve the 
>> double NAT problem with out calling the carrier and also simplify your 
>> access point side.
>> 
>> What do you think?
>> 
>> Did you recently have your modem replaced?  Sounds like they swapped out a 
>> modem with a router and didn’t tell you the environment was changing.
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:49 PM, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The 1st Time Capsule is:
>>> 
>>> ip: 192.168.2.10 and lan 10.0.2.1
>>> 
>>> The 2nd Time Capsule is:
>>> 
>>> IP: 10.0.2.4 and LAN: same (10.0.2.4)
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Bam, Tim scores!
>>>> 
>>>> Your cable modem is in NAT mode hence the double NAT.  SO your cable modem 
>>>> is NAT translating the packets from a real IP on the outside to an inside 
>>>> IP from the 192 space.  What IP is on the other inside time capsule if you 
>>>> don’t mind?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>>>>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The modem reports an ip address of 192.168.2.1.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jeff
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jeff,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What IP does your first TC report for the WAN and LAN when in the 
>>>>>> Airport Utility?  This can help to determine whether your Bell modem is 
>>>>>> in Bridge mode or not.  I suspect that it is not as most ISP's don't put 
>>>>>> their devices in Bridge mode unless you specifically ask them to.
>>>>>> Later...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:29, Jeff Berw

Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Scott Granados]

Great question, yes they would be on the same network.  The head end cable 
device will be the one providing the services and the airports will be 
providing bridging or access point like functionality only.  Everything should 
see everything else.
 

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:02 PM, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name> wrote:
> 
> In this scenario, would the two Time Capsules be on the same network, or 
> would they be on separate networks?  Just wondering if devices on each will 
> be able to see each other.
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Here’s how i would address this issue, Tim and John and anyone else please 
>> input your ideas.
>> 
>> 1. I would take the first time capsule out of router mode and put also in to 
>> bridge mode.
>> 2. I would wire your first time capsule right to your cable modem.
>> 3. I would take the second time capsule and also wire to the modem, do not 
>> use the time capsule for this if you can for simplicity.
>> 
>> At this point, your cable modem which we should also call a router to be 
>> correct is doing the NAT translation and routing work.  Each timecapsule 
>> will be acting as an access point only.  Each should receive a 192 address 
>> in this configuration and not have DHCP enabled at all. This will solve the 
>> double NAT problem with out calling the carrier and also simplify your 
>> access point side.
>> 
>> What do you think?
>> 
>> Did you recently have your modem replaced?  Sounds like they swapped out a 
>> modem with a router and didn’t tell you the environment was changing.
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:49 PM, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The 1st Time Capsule is:
>>> 
>>> ip: 192.168.2.10 and lan 10.0.2.1
>>> 
>>> The 2nd Time Capsule is:
>>> 
>>> IP: 10.0.2.4 and LAN: same (10.0.2.4)
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Bam, Tim scores!
>>>> 
>>>> Your cable modem is in NAT mode hence the double NAT.  SO your cable modem 
>>>> is NAT translating the packets from a real IP on the outside to an inside 
>>>> IP from the 192 space.  What IP is on the other inside time capsule if you 
>>>> don’t mind?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>>>>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The modem reports an ip address of 192.168.2.1.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jeff
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jeff,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What IP does your first TC report for the WAN and LAN when in the 
>>>>>> Airport Utility?  This can help to determine whether your Bell modem is 
>>>>>> in Bridge mode or not.  I suspect that it is not as most ISP's don't put 
>>>>>> their devices in Bridge mode unless you specifically ask them to.
>>>>>> Later...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:29, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>>>>>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Well, you’re losing me a bit, but this is the setup:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cable modem connects to first time Capsule via ethernet,
>>>>>> 1st Time Capsule connects to hub via ethernet,
>>>>>> Hub connects to 2nd Time Capsule via ethernet.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So, there is only one ethernet connection to the modem, but it also 
>>>>>> connects to my Fibe TV.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The two Time Capsules both broadcast a wireless signal on the same SSID; 
>>>>>> however, the 1st Time Capsule is set to DHCP and NAT while the 2nd is 
>>>>>> set to Bridge mode.
>>>>>> 
>>>>

Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Jeff Berwick]

Perfect.  Yes, the Bell Router/modem broadcasts a wireless signal, but I intend 
on turning that off.  I’m trying to keep my kids safe by routing things through 
my home network where I can control access and DNS.

Jeff

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:05 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Jeff,
> 
> They would be on the same network as the Bell modem/router device would 
> provide the networking framework and the Internet translation.  Your Time 
> Capsules would provide the wireless signal.  One extra question, do you know 
> if your Bell device also broadcasts a wireless signal?
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:02, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
> 
> In this scenario, would the two Time Capsules be on the same network, or 
> would they be on separate networks?  Just wondering if devices on each will 
> be able to see each other.
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Here’s how i would address this issue, Tim and John and anyone else please 
>> input your ideas.
>> 
>> 1. I would take the first time capsule out of router mode and put also in to 
>> bridge mode.
>> 2. I would wire your first time capsule right to your cable modem.
>> 3. I would take the second time capsule and also wire to the modem, do not 
>> use the time capsule for this if you can for simplicity.
>> 
>> At this point, your cable modem which we should also call a router to be 
>> correct is doing the NAT translation and routing work.  Each timecapsule 
>> will be acting as an access point only.  Each should receive a 192 address 
>> in this configuration and not have DHCP enabled at all. This will solve the 
>> double NAT problem with out calling the carrier and also simplify your 
>> access point side.
>> 
>> What do you think?
>> 
>> Did you recently have your modem replaced?  Sounds like they swapped out a 
>> modem with a router and didn’t tell you the environment was changing.
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:49 PM, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The 1st Time Capsule is:
>>> 
>>> ip: 192.168.2.10 and lan 10.0.2.1
>>> 
>>> The 2nd Time Capsule is:
>>> 
>>> IP: 10.0.2.4 and LAN: same (10.0.2.4)
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Bam, Tim scores!
>>>> 
>>>> Your cable modem is in NAT mode hence the double NAT.  SO your cable modem 
>>>> is NAT translating the packets from a real IP on the outside to an inside 
>>>> IP from the 192 space.  What IP is on the other inside time capsule if you 
>>>> don’t mind?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>>>>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The modem reports an ip address of 192.168.2.1.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jeff
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jeff,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What IP does your first TC report for the WAN and LAN when in the 
>>>>>> Airport Utility?  This can help to determine whether your Bell modem is 
>>>>>> in Bridge mode or not.  I suspect that it is not as most ISP's don't put 
>>>>>> their devices in Bridge mode unless you specifically ask them to.
>>>>>> Later...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:29, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>>>>>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Well, you’re losing me a bit, but this is the setup:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cable modem connects to first time Capsule via ethernet,
>>>>>> 1st Time Capsule connects to hub via ethernet,
>>>>>> Hub connects to 2nd Time Capsule v

Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Tim Kilburn]

Jeff,

They would be on the same network as the Bell modem/router device would provide 
the networking framework and the Internet translation.  Your Time Capsules 
would provide the wireless signal.  One extra question, do you know if your 
Bell device also broadcasts a wireless signal?

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:02, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name> wrote:

In this scenario, would the two Time Capsules be on the same network, or would 
they be on separate networks?  Just wondering if devices on each will be able 
to see each other.

Thx,
Jeff

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
> 
> Here’s how i would address this issue, Tim and John and anyone else please 
> input your ideas.
> 
> 1. I would take the first time capsule out of router mode and put also in to 
> bridge mode.
> 2. I would wire your first time capsule right to your cable modem.
> 3. I would take the second time capsule and also wire to the modem, do not 
> use the time capsule for this if you can for simplicity.
> 
> At this point, your cable modem which we should also call a router to be 
> correct is doing the NAT translation and routing work.  Each timecapsule will 
> be acting as an access point only.  Each should receive a 192 address in this 
> configuration and not have DHCP enabled at all. This will solve the double 
> NAT problem with out calling the carrier and also simplify your access point 
> side.
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> Did you recently have your modem replaced?  Sounds like they swapped out a 
> modem with a router and didn’t tell you the environment was changing.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:49 PM, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>> 
>> The 1st Time Capsule is:
>> 
>> ip: 192.168.2.10 and lan 10.0.2.1
>> 
>> The 2nd Time Capsule is:
>> 
>> IP: 10.0.2.4 and LAN: same (10.0.2.4)
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Bam, Tim scores!
>>> 
>>> Your cable modem is in NAT mode hence the double NAT.  SO your cable modem 
>>> is NAT translating the packets from a real IP on the outside to an inside 
>>> IP from the 192 space.  What IP is on the other inside time capsule if you 
>>> don’t mind?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>>>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The modem reports an ip address of 192.168.2.1.
>>>> 
>>>> Jeff
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
>>>>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jeff,
>>>>> 
>>>>> What IP does your first TC report for the WAN and LAN when in the Airport 
>>>>> Utility?  This can help to determine whether your Bell modem is in Bridge 
>>>>> mode or not.  I suspect that it is not as most ISP's don't put their 
>>>>> devices in Bridge mode unless you specifically ask them to.
>>>>> Later...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:29, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>>>>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well, you’re losing me a bit, but this is the setup:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cable modem connects to first time Capsule via ethernet,
>>>>> 1st Time Capsule connects to hub via ethernet,
>>>>> Hub connects to 2nd Time Capsule via ethernet.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, there is only one ethernet connection to the modem, but it also 
>>>>> connects to my Fibe TV.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The two Time Capsules both broadcast a wireless signal on the same SSID; 
>>>>> however, the 1st Time Capsule is set to DHCP and NAT while the 2nd is set 
>>>>> to Bridge mode.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This was all working up until a couple weeks ago, but now I get 
>>>>> intermittent internet outages on the 2nd Time Capsule.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also, the first Time Capsule has the Double NAT message when looking at 
>>>>> its status, although both Tim

Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Scott's design is sound, as I would expect it to be coming from one with his 
background.  If you have your current design for distance purposes, then we can 
work with it.  Otherwise, your best scenario is to have both devices in Bridge 
mode under the Network tab of AU, and both with the same SSID, Security and 
Password in the Wireless tab of AU.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:54, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:

Here’s how i would address this issue, Tim and John and anyone else please 
input your ideas.

1. I would take the first time capsule out of router mode and put also in to 
bridge mode.
2. I would wire your first time capsule right to your cable modem.
3. I would take the second time capsule and also wire to the modem, do not use 
the time capsule for this if you can for simplicity.

At this point, your cable modem which we should also call a router to be 
correct is doing the NAT translation and routing work.  Each timecapsule will 
be acting as an access point only.  Each should receive a 192 address in this 
configuration and not have DHCP enabled at all. This will solve the double NAT 
problem with out calling the carrier and also simplify your access point side.

What do you think?

Did you recently have your modem replaced?  Sounds like they swapped out a 
modem with a router and didn’t tell you the environment was changing.

Thoughts?

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:49 PM, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
> 
> The 1st Time Capsule is:
> 
> ip: 192.168.2.10 and lan 10.0.2.1
> 
> The 2nd Time Capsule is:
> 
> IP: 10.0.2.4 and LAN: same (10.0.2.4)
> 
> Jeff
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Bam, Tim scores!
>> 
>> Your cable modem is in NAT mode hence the double NAT.  SO your cable modem 
>> is NAT translating the packets from a real IP on the outside to an inside IP 
>> from the 192 space.  What IP is on the other inside time capsule if you 
>> don’t mind?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The modem reports an ip address of 192.168.2.1.
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
>>>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Jeff,
>>>> 
>>>> What IP does your first TC report for the WAN and LAN when in the Airport 
>>>> Utility?  This can help to determine whether your Bell modem is in Bridge 
>>>> mode or not.  I suspect that it is not as most ISP's don't put their 
>>>> devices in Bridge mode unless you specifically ask them to.
>>>> Later...
>>>> 
>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>> 
>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:29, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>>>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Well, you’re losing me a bit, but this is the setup:
>>>> 
>>>> Cable modem connects to first time Capsule via ethernet,
>>>> 1st Time Capsule connects to hub via ethernet,
>>>> Hub connects to 2nd Time Capsule via ethernet.
>>>> 
>>>> So, there is only one ethernet connection to the modem, but it also 
>>>> connects to my Fibe TV.
>>>> 
>>>> The two Time Capsules both broadcast a wireless signal on the same SSID; 
>>>> however, the 1st Time Capsule is set to DHCP and NAT while the 2nd is set 
>>>> to Bridge mode.
>>>> 
>>>> This was all working up until a couple weeks ago, but now I get 
>>>> intermittent internet outages on the 2nd Time Capsule.
>>>> 
>>>> Also, the first Time Capsule has the Double NAT message when looking at 
>>>> its status, although both Time Capsules report to be working normally.
>>>> 
>>>> Jeff
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>>>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> John, I think you’re on to something here.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Let me make sure I have the wiring correct.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jeff starts out with a cable modem which I think John is right is 
>>>>> probably locked to one IP and probably also bound by Mac address.
>>>

Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Jeff Berwick]

In this scenario, would the two Time Capsules be on the same network, or would 
they be on separate networks?  Just wondering if devices on each will be able 
to see each other.

Thx,
Jeff

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
> 
> Here’s how i would address this issue, Tim and John and anyone else please 
> input your ideas.
> 
> 1. I would take the first time capsule out of router mode and put also in to 
> bridge mode.
> 2. I would wire your first time capsule right to your cable modem.
> 3. I would take the second time capsule and also wire to the modem, do not 
> use the time capsule for this if you can for simplicity.
> 
> At this point, your cable modem which we should also call a router to be 
> correct is doing the NAT translation and routing work.  Each timecapsule will 
> be acting as an access point only.  Each should receive a 192 address in this 
> configuration and not have DHCP enabled at all. This will solve the double 
> NAT problem with out calling the carrier and also simplify your access point 
> side.
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> Did you recently have your modem replaced?  Sounds like they swapped out a 
> modem with a router and didn’t tell you the environment was changing.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:49 PM, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>> 
>> The 1st Time Capsule is:
>> 
>> ip: 192.168.2.10 and lan 10.0.2.1
>> 
>> The 2nd Time Capsule is:
>> 
>> IP: 10.0.2.4 and LAN: same (10.0.2.4)
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Bam, Tim scores!
>>> 
>>> Your cable modem is in NAT mode hence the double NAT.  SO your cable modem 
>>> is NAT translating the packets from a real IP on the outside to an inside 
>>> IP from the 192 space.  What IP is on the other inside time capsule if you 
>>> don’t mind?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>>>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The modem reports an ip address of 192.168.2.1.
>>>> 
>>>> Jeff
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
>>>>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jeff,
>>>>> 
>>>>> What IP does your first TC report for the WAN and LAN when in the Airport 
>>>>> Utility?  This can help to determine whether your Bell modem is in Bridge 
>>>>> mode or not.  I suspect that it is not as most ISP's don't put their 
>>>>> devices in Bridge mode unless you specifically ask them to.
>>>>> Later...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:29, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>>>>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well, you’re losing me a bit, but this is the setup:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cable modem connects to first time Capsule via ethernet,
>>>>> 1st Time Capsule connects to hub via ethernet,
>>>>> Hub connects to 2nd Time Capsule via ethernet.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, there is only one ethernet connection to the modem, but it also 
>>>>> connects to my Fibe TV.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The two Time Capsules both broadcast a wireless signal on the same SSID; 
>>>>> however, the 1st Time Capsule is set to DHCP and NAT while the 2nd is set 
>>>>> to Bridge mode.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This was all working up until a couple weeks ago, but now I get 
>>>>> intermittent internet outages on the 2nd Time Capsule.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also, the first Time Capsule has the Double NAT message when looking at 
>>>>> its status, although both Time Capsules report to be working normally.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jeff
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>>>>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> John, I think you’re on to something here.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Let me make sure I have the wiri

Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Scott Granados]

Here’s how i would address this issue, Tim and John and anyone else please 
input your ideas.

1. I would take the first time capsule out of router mode and put also in to 
bridge mode.
2. I would wire your first time capsule right to your cable modem.
3. I would take the second time capsule and also wire to the modem, do not use 
the time capsule for this if you can for simplicity.

At this point, your cable modem which we should also call a router to be 
correct is doing the NAT translation and routing work.  Each timecapsule will 
be acting as an access point only.  Each should receive a 192 address in this 
configuration and not have DHCP enabled at all. This will solve the double NAT 
problem with out calling the carrier and also simplify your access point side.

What do you think?

Did you recently have your modem replaced?  Sounds like they swapped out a 
modem with a router and didn’t tell you the environment was changing.

Thoughts?

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:49 PM, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name> wrote:
> 
> The 1st Time Capsule is:
> 
> ip: 192.168.2.10 and lan 10.0.2.1
> 
> The 2nd Time Capsule is:
> 
> IP: 10.0.2.4 and LAN: same (10.0.2.4)
> 
> Jeff
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Bam, Tim scores!
>> 
>> Your cable modem is in NAT mode hence the double NAT.  SO your cable modem 
>> is NAT translating the packets from a real IP on the outside to an inside IP 
>> from the 192 space.  What IP is on the other inside time capsule if you 
>> don’t mind?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The modem reports an ip address of 192.168.2.1.
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
>>>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Jeff,
>>>> 
>>>> What IP does your first TC report for the WAN and LAN when in the Airport 
>>>> Utility?  This can help to determine whether your Bell modem is in Bridge 
>>>> mode or not.  I suspect that it is not as most ISP's don't put their 
>>>> devices in Bridge mode unless you specifically ask them to.
>>>> Later...
>>>> 
>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>> 
>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:29, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>>>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Well, you’re losing me a bit, but this is the setup:
>>>> 
>>>> Cable modem connects to first time Capsule via ethernet,
>>>> 1st Time Capsule connects to hub via ethernet,
>>>> Hub connects to 2nd Time Capsule via ethernet.
>>>> 
>>>> So, there is only one ethernet connection to the modem, but it also 
>>>> connects to my Fibe TV.
>>>> 
>>>> The two Time Capsules both broadcast a wireless signal on the same SSID; 
>>>> however, the 1st Time Capsule is set to DHCP and NAT while the 2nd is set 
>>>> to Bridge mode.
>>>> 
>>>> This was all working up until a couple weeks ago, but now I get 
>>>> intermittent internet outages on the 2nd Time Capsule.
>>>> 
>>>> Also, the first Time Capsule has the Double NAT message when looking at 
>>>> its status, although both Time Capsules report to be working normally.
>>>> 
>>>> Jeff
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>>>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> John, I think you’re on to something here.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Let me make sure I have the wiring correct.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jeff starts out with a cable modem which I think John is right is 
>>>>> probably locked to one IP and probably also bound by Mac address.
>>>>> From the cable modem we have a cable attaching to an airport time capsule 
>>>>> set up to receive a DHCP address on the wan side and hand out addresses 
>>>>> inside from a NAT translated block.  Probably 10.x space if memory serves.
>>>>>   Where I’m not sure is the second hub and time capsule connection.  Does 
>>>>> the cable modem attach to the hub and you’re trying to have each time 
>>>>> capsule reach the cable modem dir

Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Jeff Berwick]

The 1st Time Capsule is:

ip: 192.168.2.10 and lan 10.0.2.1

The 2nd Time Capsule is:

IP: 10.0.2.4 and LAN: same (10.0.2.4)

Jeff

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
> 
> Bam, Tim scores!
> 
> Your cable modem is in NAT mode hence the double NAT.  SO your cable modem is 
> NAT translating the packets from a real IP on the outside to an inside IP 
> from the 192 space.  What IP is on the other inside time capsule if you don’t 
> mind?
> 
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>> 
>> The modem reports an ip address of 192.168.2.1.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
>>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jeff,
>>> 
>>> What IP does your first TC report for the WAN and LAN when in the Airport 
>>> Utility?  This can help to determine whether your Bell modem is in Bridge 
>>> mode or not.  I suspect that it is not as most ISP's don't put their 
>>> devices in Bridge mode unless you specifically ask them to.
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:29, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, you’re losing me a bit, but this is the setup:
>>> 
>>> Cable modem connects to first time Capsule via ethernet,
>>> 1st Time Capsule connects to hub via ethernet,
>>> Hub connects to 2nd Time Capsule via ethernet.
>>> 
>>> So, there is only one ethernet connection to the modem, but it also 
>>> connects to my Fibe TV.
>>> 
>>> The two Time Capsules both broadcast a wireless signal on the same SSID; 
>>> however, the 1st Time Capsule is set to DHCP and NAT while the 2nd is set 
>>> to Bridge mode.
>>> 
>>> This was all working up until a couple weeks ago, but now I get 
>>> intermittent internet outages on the 2nd Time Capsule.
>>> 
>>> Also, the first Time Capsule has the Double NAT message when looking at its 
>>> status, although both Time Capsules report to be working normally.
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> John, I think you’re on to something here.
>>>> 
>>>> Let me make sure I have the wiring correct.
>>>> 
>>>> Jeff starts out with a cable modem which I think John is right is probably 
>>>> locked to one IP and probably also bound by Mac address.
>>>> From the cable modem we have a cable attaching to an airport time capsule 
>>>> set up to receive a DHCP address on the wan side and hand out addresses 
>>>> inside from a NAT translated block.  Probably 10.x space if memory serves.
>>>>Where I’m not sure is the second hub and time capsule connection.  Does 
>>>> the cable modem attach to the hub and you’re trying to have each time 
>>>> capsule reach the cable modem directly through the hub or is the hub 
>>>> attached to a LAN port on the time capsule inside ports and then the other 
>>>> time capsule is attached to that internal hub segment.  Makes a big 
>>>> difference which way.
>>>>If Jeff is trying to grab 2 outside addresses by sharing the port on 
>>>> the cable modem I think John nailed it.  You can only do one at a time 
>>>> with out adding a second IP usually for an additional fee.
>>>>If the timecapsule is attached inside or behind the NAT head end you 
>>>> should set in bridge mode with the same SSID (or different for testing).  
>>>> In this mode the second inside time capsule should be an access point 
>>>> only.  There should be no NAT.  You would have the airport receive it’s 
>>>> inside address from the nat head end and also not hand out any of it’s own 
>>>> addresses.  It should act as a pass through.  Does that make sense?
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 1:54 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com 
>>>>> <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Does your service provider allow you to have multiple IP computers on the 
>>>>> network?  Perhaps your ISP onl

Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Scott Granados]

Bam, Tim scores!

Your cable modem is in NAT mode hence the double NAT.  SO your cable modem is 
NAT translating the packets from a real IP on the outside to an inside IP from 
the 192 space.  What IP is on the other inside time capsule if you don’t mind?


> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name> wrote:
> 
> The modem reports an ip address of 192.168.2.1.
> 
> Jeff
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Jeff,
>> 
>> What IP does your first TC report for the WAN and LAN when in the Airport 
>> Utility?  This can help to determine whether your Bell modem is in Bridge 
>> mode or not.  I suspect that it is not as most ISP's don't put their devices 
>> in Bridge mode unless you specifically ask them to.
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:29, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, you’re losing me a bit, but this is the setup:
>> 
>> Cable modem connects to first time Capsule via ethernet,
>> 1st Time Capsule connects to hub via ethernet,
>> Hub connects to 2nd Time Capsule via ethernet.
>> 
>> So, there is only one ethernet connection to the modem, but it also connects 
>> to my Fibe TV.
>> 
>> The two Time Capsules both broadcast a wireless signal on the same SSID; 
>> however, the 1st Time Capsule is set to DHCP and NAT while the 2nd is set to 
>> Bridge mode.
>> 
>> This was all working up until a couple weeks ago, but now I get intermittent 
>> internet outages on the 2nd Time Capsule.
>> 
>> Also, the first Time Capsule has the Double NAT message when looking at its 
>> status, although both Time Capsules report to be working normally.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> John, I think you’re on to something here.
>>> 
>>> Let me make sure I have the wiring correct.
>>> 
>>> Jeff starts out with a cable modem which I think John is right is probably 
>>> locked to one IP and probably also bound by Mac address.
>>> From the cable modem we have a cable attaching to an airport time capsule 
>>> set up to receive a DHCP address on the wan side and hand out addresses 
>>> inside from a NAT translated block.  Probably 10.x space if memory serves.
>>> Where I’m not sure is the second hub and time capsule connection.  Does 
>>> the cable modem attach to the hub and you’re trying to have each time 
>>> capsule reach the cable modem directly through the hub or is the hub 
>>> attached to a LAN port on the time capsule inside ports and then the other 
>>> time capsule is attached to that internal hub segment.  Makes a big 
>>> difference which way.
>>> If Jeff is trying to grab 2 outside addresses by sharing the port on 
>>> the cable modem I think John nailed it.  You can only do one at a time with 
>>> out adding a second IP usually for an additional fee.
>>> If the timecapsule is attached inside or behind the NAT head end you 
>>> should set in bridge mode with the same SSID (or different for testing).  
>>> In this mode the second inside time capsule should be an access point only. 
>>>  There should be no NAT.  You would have the airport receive it’s inside 
>>> address from the nat head end and also not hand out any of it’s own 
>>> addresses.  It should act as a pass through.  Does that make sense?
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 1:54 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Does your service provider allow you to have multiple IP computers on the 
>>>> network?  Perhaps your ISP only will DHCP for one address within your 
>>>> house, Cox used to do that for me. If that is the case and then not using 
>>>> public IP address space then you will not be able to get your 
>>>> configuration to work properly.
>>>> 
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>> 
>>>> Jonathan Cohn 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>>>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>> 
>>>>>

Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Jeff Berwick]

The modem reports an ip address of 192.168.2.1.

Jeff

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Jeff,
> 
> What IP does your first TC report for the WAN and LAN when in the Airport 
> Utility?  This can help to determine whether your Bell modem is in Bridge 
> mode or not.  I suspect that it is not as most ISP's don't put their devices 
> in Bridge mode unless you specifically ask them to.
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:29, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
> 
> Well, you’re losing me a bit, but this is the setup:
> 
> Cable modem connects to first time Capsule via ethernet,
> 1st Time Capsule connects to hub via ethernet,
> Hub connects to 2nd Time Capsule via ethernet.
> 
> So, there is only one ethernet connection to the modem, but it also connects 
> to my Fibe TV.
> 
> The two Time Capsules both broadcast a wireless signal on the same SSID; 
> however, the 1st Time Capsule is set to DHCP and NAT while the 2nd is set to 
> Bridge mode.
> 
> This was all working up until a couple weeks ago, but now I get intermittent 
> internet outages on the 2nd Time Capsule.
> 
> Also, the first Time Capsule has the Double NAT message when looking at its 
> status, although both Time Capsules report to be working normally.
> 
> Jeff
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> John, I think you’re on to something here.
>> 
>> Let me make sure I have the wiring correct.
>> 
>> Jeff starts out with a cable modem which I think John is right is probably 
>> locked to one IP and probably also bound by Mac address.
>> From the cable modem we have a cable attaching to an airport time capsule 
>> set up to receive a DHCP address on the wan side and hand out addresses 
>> inside from a NAT translated block.  Probably 10.x space if memory serves.
>>  Where I’m not sure is the second hub and time capsule connection.  Does 
>> the cable modem attach to the hub and you’re trying to have each time 
>> capsule reach the cable modem directly through the hub or is the hub 
>> attached to a LAN port on the time capsule inside ports and then the other 
>> time capsule is attached to that internal hub segment.  Makes a big 
>> difference which way.
>>  If Jeff is trying to grab 2 outside addresses by sharing the port on 
>> the cable modem I think John nailed it.  You can only do one at a time with 
>> out adding a second IP usually for an additional fee.
>>  If the timecapsule is attached inside or behind the NAT head end you 
>> should set in bridge mode with the same SSID (or different for testing).  In 
>> this mode the second inside time capsule should be an access point only.  
>> There should be no NAT.  You would have the airport receive it’s inside 
>> address from the nat head end and also not hand out any of it’s own 
>> addresses.  It should act as a pass through.  Does that make sense?
>>  
>>  
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 1:54 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does your service provider allow you to have multiple IP computers on the 
>>> network?  Perhaps your ISP only will DHCP for one address within your 
>>> house, Cox used to do that for me. If that is the case and then not using 
>>> public IP address space then you will not be able to get your configuration 
>>> to work properly.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi there,
>>>> 
>>>> Unfortunately, I know just enough about this stuff to get my network 
>>>> somewhat working and be a little dangerous.
>>>> 
>>>> I use Bell services in Canada and I have a modem supplied by them which is 
>>>> the first touch point in the house.  The ethernet cables then connect to a 
>>>> Time Capsule set to DHCP and NET, more ethernet cables through a hub and 
>>>> then to another Time Capsule set to Bridge mode.  
>>>> 
>>>> When I look at the status table in Airport Utility for the first Time 
>>>> Capsule, I get the Double NET error; however, when I switch that Time 
>>>> Capsule to Bridge Mode my network stops working.
&g

Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Tim Kilburn]

Jeff,

What IP does your first TC report for the WAN and LAN when in the Airport 
Utility?  This can help to determine whether your Bell modem is in Bridge mode 
or not.  I suspect that it is not as most ISP's don't put their devices in 
Bridge mode unless you specifically ask them to.
Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:29, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name> wrote:

Well, you’re losing me a bit, but this is the setup:

Cable modem connects to first time Capsule via ethernet,
1st Time Capsule connects to hub via ethernet,
Hub connects to 2nd Time Capsule via ethernet.

So, there is only one ethernet connection to the modem, but it also connects to 
my Fibe TV.

The two Time Capsules both broadcast a wireless signal on the same SSID; 
however, the 1st Time Capsule is set to DHCP and NAT while the 2nd is set to 
Bridge mode.

This was all working up until a couple weeks ago, but now I get intermittent 
internet outages on the 2nd Time Capsule.

Also, the first Time Capsule has the Double NAT message when looking at its 
status, although both Time Capsules report to be working normally.

Jeff

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
> 
> John, I think you’re on to something here.
> 
> Let me make sure I have the wiring correct.
> 
> Jeff starts out with a cable modem which I think John is right is probably 
> locked to one IP and probably also bound by Mac address.
> From the cable modem we have a cable attaching to an airport time capsule set 
> up to receive a DHCP address on the wan side and hand out addresses inside 
> from a NAT translated block.  Probably 10.x space if memory serves.
>   Where I’m not sure is the second hub and time capsule connection.  Does 
> the cable modem attach to the hub and you’re trying to have each time capsule 
> reach the cable modem directly through the hub or is the hub attached to a 
> LAN port on the time capsule inside ports and then the other time capsule is 
> attached to that internal hub segment.  Makes a big difference which way.
>   If Jeff is trying to grab 2 outside addresses by sharing the port on 
> the cable modem I think John nailed it.  You can only do one at a time with 
> out adding a second IP usually for an additional fee.
>   If the timecapsule is attached inside or behind the NAT head end you 
> should set in bridge mode with the same SSID (or different for testing).  In 
> this mode the second inside time capsule should be an access point only.  
> There should be no NAT.  You would have the airport receive it’s inside 
> address from the nat head end and also not hand out any of it’s own 
> addresses.  It should act as a pass through.  Does that make sense?
>  
>  
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 1:54 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Does your service provider allow you to have multiple IP computers on the 
>> network?  Perhaps your ISP only will DHCP for one address within your house, 
>> Cox used to do that for me. If that is the case and then not using public IP 
>> address space then you will not be able to get your configuration to work 
>> properly.
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn 
>> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi there,
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately, I know just enough about this stuff to get my network 
>>> somewhat working and be a little dangerous.
>>> 
>>> I use Bell services in Canada and I have a modem supplied by them which is 
>>> the first touch point in the house.  The ethernet cables then connect to a 
>>> Time Capsule set to DHCP and NET, more ethernet cables through a hub and 
>>> then to another Time Capsule set to Bridge mode.  
>>> 
>>> When I look at the status table in Airport Utility for the first Time 
>>> Capsule, I get the Double NET error; however, when I switch that Time 
>>> Capsule to Bridge Mode my network stops working.
>>> 
>>> Both Time Capsules are set to Create a network and share the same SSID 
>>> name/password.  One Time Capsule serves one half of my house, and the other 
>>> serves the second half.
>>> 
>>> So, do you have any suggestions on how I can fix this?
>>> 
>>> I can’t figure out if my Bell modem (Home Hub 2000) is in Bridge mode 
>>> itself, although I doubt it.  I can’t find any settings in the firmware to 
>>> allow me to do so.
>>> 
>>> Thoughts?
>>> 
>>&g

Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Jeff Berwick]

Well, you’re losing me a bit, but this is the setup:

Cable modem connects to first time Capsule via ethernet,
1st Time Capsule connects to hub via ethernet,
Hub connects to 2nd Time Capsule via ethernet.

So, there is only one ethernet connection to the modem, but it also connects to 
my Fibe TV.

The two Time Capsules both broadcast a wireless signal on the same SSID; 
however, the 1st Time Capsule is set to DHCP and NAT while the 2nd is set to 
Bridge mode.

This was all working up until a couple weeks ago, but now I get intermittent 
internet outages on the 2nd Time Capsule.

Also, the first Time Capsule has the Double NAT message when looking at its 
status, although both Time Capsules report to be working normally.

Jeff

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
> 
> John, I think you’re on to something here.
> 
> Let me make sure I have the wiring correct.
> 
> Jeff starts out with a cable modem which I think John is right is probably 
> locked to one IP and probably also bound by Mac address.
> From the cable modem we have a cable attaching to an airport time capsule set 
> up to receive a DHCP address on the wan side and hand out addresses inside 
> from a NAT translated block.  Probably 10.x space if memory serves.
>   Where I’m not sure is the second hub and time capsule connection.  Does 
> the cable modem attach to the hub and you’re trying to have each time capsule 
> reach the cable modem directly through the hub or is the hub attached to a 
> LAN port on the time capsule inside ports and then the other time capsule is 
> attached to that internal hub segment.  Makes a big difference which way.
>   If Jeff is trying to grab 2 outside addresses by sharing the port on 
> the cable modem I think John nailed it.  You can only do one at a time with 
> out adding a second IP usually for an additional fee.
>   If the timecapsule is attached inside or behind the NAT head end you 
> should set in bridge mode with the same SSID (or different for testing).  In 
> this mode the second inside time capsule should be an access point only.  
> There should be no NAT.  You would have the airport receive it’s inside 
> address from the nat head end and also not hand out any of it’s own 
> addresses.  It should act as a pass through.  Does that make sense?
>  
>  
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 1:54 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Does your service provider allow you to have multiple IP computers on the 
>> network?  Perhaps your ISP only will DHCP for one address within your house, 
>> Cox used to do that for me. If that is the case and then not using public IP 
>> address space then you will not be able to get your configuration to work 
>> properly.
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn 
>> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
>> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi there,
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately, I know just enough about this stuff to get my network 
>>> somewhat working and be a little dangerous.
>>> 
>>> I use Bell services in Canada and I have a modem supplied by them which is 
>>> the first touch point in the house.  The ethernet cables then connect to a 
>>> Time Capsule set to DHCP and NET, more ethernet cables through a hub and 
>>> then to another Time Capsule set to Bridge mode.  
>>> 
>>> When I look at the status table in Airport Utility for the first Time 
>>> Capsule, I get the Double NET error; however, when I switch that Time 
>>> Capsule to Bridge Mode my network stops working.
>>> 
>>> Both Time Capsules are set to Create a network and share the same SSID 
>>> name/password.  One Time Capsule serves one half of my house, and the other 
>>> serves the second half.
>>> 
>>> So, do you have any suggestions on how I can fix this?
>>> 
>>> I can’t figure out if my Bell modem (Home Hub 2000) is in Bridge mode 
>>> itself, although I doubt it.  I can’t find any settings in the firmware to 
>>> allow me to do so.
>>> 
>>> Thoughts?
>>> 
>>> Tia,
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 7:32 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
>>>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Scott is spot on, unless your ISP unit is configured to Bridge mode as in 
>>>> my case.  So, with the ISP router in Bridge mode, the Airport Extreme 
>>>> handles all the DHCP and Firewall s

Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Scott Granados]

John, I think you’re on to something here.

Let me make sure I have the wiring correct.

Jeff starts out with a cable modem which I think John is right is probably 
locked to one IP and probably also bound by Mac address.
>From the cable modem we have a cable attaching to an airport time capsule set 
>up to receive a DHCP address on the wan side and hand out addresses inside 
>from a NAT translated block.  Probably 10.x space if memory serves.
Where I’m not sure is the second hub and time capsule connection.  Does 
the cable modem attach to the hub and you’re trying to have each time capsule 
reach the cable modem directly through the hub or is the hub attached to a LAN 
port on the time capsule inside ports and then the other time capsule is 
attached to that internal hub segment.  Makes a big difference which way.
If Jeff is trying to grab 2 outside addresses by sharing the port on 
the cable modem I think John nailed it.  You can only do one at a time with out 
adding a second IP usually for an additional fee.
If the timecapsule is attached inside or behind the NAT head end you 
should set in bridge mode with the same SSID (or different for testing).  In 
this mode the second inside time capsule should be an access point only.  There 
should be no NAT.  You would have the airport receive it’s inside address from 
the nat head end and also not hand out any of it’s own addresses.  It should 
act as a pass through.  Does that make sense?
 
 

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 1:54 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Does your service provider allow you to have multiple IP computers on the 
> network?  Perhaps your ISP only will DHCP for one address within your house, 
> Cox used to do that for me. If that is the case and then not using public IP 
> address space then you will not be able to get your configuration to work 
> properly.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn 
> 
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name 
> <mailto:mailingli...@berwick.name>> wrote:
> 
>> Hi there,
>> 
>> Unfortunately, I know just enough about this stuff to get my network 
>> somewhat working and be a little dangerous.
>> 
>> I use Bell services in Canada and I have a modem supplied by them which is 
>> the first touch point in the house.  The ethernet cables then connect to a 
>> Time Capsule set to DHCP and NET, more ethernet cables through a hub and 
>> then to another Time Capsule set to Bridge mode.  
>> 
>> When I look at the status table in Airport Utility for the first Time 
>> Capsule, I get the Double NET error; however, when I switch that Time 
>> Capsule to Bridge Mode my network stops working.
>> 
>> Both Time Capsules are set to Create a network and share the same SSID 
>> name/password.  One Time Capsule serves one half of my house, and the other 
>> serves the second half.
>> 
>> So, do you have any suggestions on how I can fix this?
>> 
>> I can’t figure out if my Bell modem (Home Hub 2000) is in Bridge mode 
>> itself, although I doubt it.  I can’t find any settings in the firmware to 
>> allow me to do so.
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> 
>> Tia,
>> Jeff
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 7:32 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
>>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Scott is spot on, unless your ISP unit is configured to Bridge mode as in 
>>> my case.  So, with the ISP router in Bridge mode, the Airport Extreme 
>>> handles all the DHCP and Firewall stuff.  Any other devices are either set 
>>> to extend or as a roaming extension depending on how you have things set 
>>> up.  Anything that is connected to your ISP router with an ethernet cable 
>>> can be configured to the same SSID, thus roaming kinds of interaction 
>>> happens.  Devices that connect wirelessly, normally extend the network.
>>> 
>>> If you go into Airport Utility and check on the Status of your Time 
>>> Capsules, you may be able to determine the issue.  So, in AU, access the 
>>> Time Capsule, then interact with the Scroll area, there should be a Status 
>>> table there that should note the issue.  I expect that it is likely a 
>>> double NAT issue which Scott's suggestion will fix.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 17:17, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net 
>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> BY time capsule I assume you mean airport router?
>>> 
>>> Here’s how

Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Does your service provider allow you to have multiple IP computers on the 
network?  Perhaps your ISP only will DHCP for one address within your house, 
Cox used to do that for me. If that is the case and then not using public IP 
address space then you will not be able to get your configuration to work 
properly.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name> wrote:
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> Unfortunately, I know just enough about this stuff to get my network somewhat 
> working and be a little dangerous.
> 
> I use Bell services in Canada and I have a modem supplied by them which is 
> the first touch point in the house.  The ethernet cables then connect to a 
> Time Capsule set to DHCP and NET, more ethernet cables through a hub and then 
> to another Time Capsule set to Bridge mode.  
> 
> When I look at the status table in Airport Utility for the first Time 
> Capsule, I get the Double NET error; however, when I switch that Time Capsule 
> to Bridge Mode my network stops working.
> 
> Both Time Capsules are set to Create a network and share the same SSID 
> name/password.  One Time Capsule serves one half of my house, and the other 
> serves the second half.
> 
> So, do you have any suggestions on how I can fix this?
> 
> I can’t figure out if my Bell modem (Home Hub 2000) is in Bridge mode itself, 
> although I doubt it.  I can’t find any settings in the firmware to allow me 
> to do so.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Tia,
> Jeff
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 7:32 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Scott is spot on, unless your ISP unit is configured to Bridge mode as in my 
>> case.  So, with the ISP router in Bridge mode, the Airport Extreme handles 
>> all the DHCP and Firewall stuff.  Any other devices are either set to extend 
>> or as a roaming extension depending on how you have things set up.  Anything 
>> that is connected to your ISP router with an ethernet cable can be 
>> configured to the same SSID, thus roaming kinds of interaction happens.  
>> Devices that connect wirelessly, normally extend the network.
>> 
>> If you go into Airport Utility and check on the Status of your Time 
>> Capsules, you may be able to determine the issue.  So, in AU, access the 
>> Time Capsule, then interact with the Scroll area, there should be a Status 
>> table there that should note the issue.  I expect that it is likely a double 
>> NAT issue which Scott's suggestion will fix.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 17:17, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>> 
>> BY time capsule I assume you mean airport router?
>> 
>> Here’s how it should be set up, you should have your ISP router as the head 
>> end as you do now.  Next, you should set the airports in to bridging mode or 
>> as access points so you’re not using them to route.  Set the addresses 
>> assignment to dhcp for the local address for each so your main router can 
>> hand them addresses.  The big important part here is you make sure routing 
>> is disabled and they are transmitting your routers network and not forming 
>> their own.  Let me know if that helps any.  If you detail a bit more how 
>> things are connected I will be glad to be much more specific.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Today is my day for messages :)
>>> 
>>> I have two Time Capsules on my home network and one router from my internet 
>>> provider.  
>>> 
>>> In the extras bar, it says I have 4 of 4 bars, but my son says that they 
>>> are greyed out and that they have an exclamation mark.  I can ping through 
>>> my network all the way to the ISP’s modem, but can’t get anything outside 
>>> my home through ping or on the internet.  If I move closer to my older Time 
>>> Capsule, everything is fine; however, if I am using my newer Time Capsule, 
>>> this is when I get the problems.  So, I am pretty sure it is something with 
>>> my newer Time Capsule.
>>> 
>>> This is an intermittent problem.  Any networkers out there have any ideas 
>>> on how I can test/fix this issue?
>>> 
>>> Thx,
>>> Jeff
>>> 
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Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Jeff Berwick]

Hi there,

Unfortunately, I know just enough about this stuff to get my network somewhat 
working and be a little dangerous.

I use Bell services in Canada and I have a modem supplied by them which is the 
first touch point in the house.  The ethernet cables then connect to a Time 
Capsule set to DHCP and NET, more ethernet cables through a hub and then to 
another Time Capsule set to Bridge mode.  

When I look at the status table in Airport Utility for the first Time Capsule, 
I get the Double NET error; however, when I switch that Time Capsule to Bridge 
Mode my network stops working.

Both Time Capsules are set to Create a network and share the same SSID 
name/password.  One Time Capsule serves one half of my house, and the other 
serves the second half.

So, do you have any suggestions on how I can fix this?

I can’t figure out if my Bell modem (Home Hub 2000) is in Bridge mode itself, 
although I doubt it.  I can’t find any settings in the firmware to allow me to 
do so.

Thoughts?

Tia,
Jeff

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 7:32 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Scott is spot on, unless your ISP unit is configured to Bridge mode as in my 
> case.  So, with the ISP router in Bridge mode, the Airport Extreme handles 
> all the DHCP and Firewall stuff.  Any other devices are either set to extend 
> or as a roaming extension depending on how you have things set up.  Anything 
> that is connected to your ISP router with an ethernet cable can be configured 
> to the same SSID, thus roaming kinds of interaction happens.  Devices that 
> connect wirelessly, normally extend the network.
> 
> If you go into Airport Utility and check on the Status of your Time Capsules, 
> you may be able to determine the issue.  So, in AU, access the Time Capsule, 
> then interact with the Scroll area, there should be a Status table there that 
> should note the issue.  I expect that it is likely a double NAT issue which 
> Scott's suggestion will fix.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 17:17, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
> 
> BY time capsule I assume you mean airport router?
> 
> Here’s how it should be set up, you should have your ISP router as the head 
> end as you do now.  Next, you should set the airports in to bridging mode or 
> as access points so you’re not using them to route.  Set the addresses 
> assignment to dhcp for the local address for each so your main router can 
> hand them addresses.  The big important part here is you make sure routing is 
> disabled and they are transmitting your routers network and not forming their 
> own.  Let me know if that helps any.  If you detail a bit more how things are 
> connected I will be glad to be much more specific.
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Today is my day for messages :)
>> 
>> I have two Time Capsules on my home network and one router from my internet 
>> provider.  
>> 
>> In the extras bar, it says I have 4 of 4 bars, but my son says that they are 
>> greyed out and that they have an exclamation mark.  I can ping through my 
>> network all the way to the ISP’s modem, but can’t get anything outside my 
>> home through ping or on the internet.  If I move closer to my older Time 
>> Capsule, everything is fine; however, if I am using my newer Time Capsule, 
>> this is when I get the problems.  So, I am pretty sure it is something with 
>> my newer Time Capsule.
>> 
>> This is an intermittent problem.  Any networkers out there have any ideas on 
>> how I can test/fix this issue?
>> 
>> Thx,
>> Jeff
>> 
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Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Scott is spot on, unless your ISP unit is configured to Bridge mode as in my 
case.  So, with the ISP router in Bridge mode, the Airport Extreme handles all 
the DHCP and Firewall stuff.  Any other devices are either set to extend or as 
a roaming extension depending on how you have things set up.  Anything that is 
connected to your ISP router with an ethernet cable can be configured to the 
same SSID, thus roaming kinds of interaction happens.  Devices that connect 
wirelessly, normally extend the network.

If you go into Airport Utility and check on the Status of your Time Capsules, 
you may be able to determine the issue.  So, in AU, access the Time Capsule, 
then interact with the Scroll area, there should be a Status table there that 
should note the issue.  I expect that it is likely a double NAT issue which 
Scott's suggestion will fix.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 19, 2016, at 17:17, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:

BY time capsule I assume you mean airport router?

Here’s how it should be set up, you should have your ISP router as the head end 
as you do now.  Next, you should set the airports in to bridging mode or as 
access points so you’re not using them to route.  Set the addresses assignment 
to dhcp for the local address for each so your main router can hand them 
addresses.  The big important part here is you make sure routing is disabled 
and they are transmitting your routers network and not forming their own.  Let 
me know if that helps any.  If you detail a bit more how things are connected I 
will be glad to be much more specific.

Thanks
Scott

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Today is my day for messages :)
> 
> I have two Time Capsules on my home network and one router from my internet 
> provider.  
> 
> In the extras bar, it says I have 4 of 4 bars, but my son says that they are 
> greyed out and that they have an exclamation mark.  I can ping through my 
> network all the way to the ISP’s modem, but can’t get anything outside my 
> home through ping or on the internet.  If I move closer to my older Time 
> Capsule, everything is fine; however, if I am using my newer Time Capsule, 
> this is when I get the problems.  So, I am pretty sure it is something with 
> my newer Time Capsule.
> 
> This is an intermittent problem.  Any networkers out there have any ideas on 
> how I can test/fix this issue?
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
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Re: Networking and Time Capsule

[Scott Granados]

BY time capsule I assume you mean airport router?

Here’s how it should be set up, you should have your ISP router as the head end 
as you do now.  Next, you should set the airports in to bridging mode or as 
access points so you’re not using them to route.  Set the addresses assignment 
to dhcp for the local address for each so your main router can hand them 
addresses.  The big important part here is you make sure routing is disabled 
and they are transmitting your routers network and not forming their own.  Let 
me know if that helps any.  If you detail a bit more how things are connected I 
will be glad to be much more specific.

Thanks
Scott

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Jeff Berwick <mailingli...@berwick.name> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Today is my day for messages :)
> 
> I have two Time Capsules on my home network and one router from my internet 
> provider.  
> 
> In the extras bar, it says I have 4 of 4 bars, but my son says that they are 
> greyed out and that they have an exclamation mark.  I can ping through my 
> network all the way to the ISP’s modem, but can’t get anything outside my 
> home through ping or on the internet.  If I move closer to my older Time 
> Capsule, everything is fine; however, if I am using my newer Time Capsule, 
> this is when I get the problems.  So, I am pretty sure it is something with 
> my newer Time Capsule.
> 
> This is an intermittent problem.  Any networkers out there have any ideas on 
> how I can test/fix this issue?
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
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Networking and Time Capsule

[Jeff Berwick]

Hi all,

Today is my day for messages :)

I have two Time Capsules on my home network and one router from my internet 
provider.  

In the extras bar, it says I have 4 of 4 bars, but my son says that they are 
greyed out and that they have an exclamation mark.  I can ping through my 
network all the way to the ISP’s modem, but can’t get anything outside my home 
through ping or on the internet.  If I move closer to my older Time Capsule, 
everything is fine; however, if I am using my newer Time Capsule, this is when 
I get the problems.  So, I am pretty sure it is something with my newer Time 
Capsule.

This is an intermittent problem.  Any networkers out there have any ideas on 
how I can test/fix this issue?

Thx,
Jeff


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Re: Time Capsule on a u-verse router

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Yeah, granted that you can work around it to get BTMM working, but it’s an 
awful hack, and I’d really rather the AirPort does the routing anyway, because 
it’s just a truckload better at it.  It is one thing that cable puts a shine 
on, because cable modems built to spec are generally trivial to put into a mode 
where they don’t interfere with the Ethernet traffic, and AirPort is easily 
compatible with that.

As for alternative modems, it looks like there are quite a few that support 
EFM/PTM although you will have to go fishing.  I can well imagine why this was 
an attractive option for ATT, but it definitely puts you—the consumer—at a 
substantial disadvantage.

And finally, to the choice of technology: here in Blighty, the cable solution 
is the faster, but bursty satellite with constrained upstream and time-shared 
downlink; the VDSL (for which there are many different plans) is the slower, 
but more reliable and ubiquitous.  I happen to have a choice, and I choose 
VDSL.  My provider offers me native IPv6, I get to pick the VDSL bridge modem, 
and because it’s all PTM, the provider just bridges Ethernet over which I can 
do PPPoE from the router (a Linux box) of my choice.  This gives everybody 
involved complete freedom, although unfortunately does require that terminal 
equipment support baby jumbo frames to handle a full Ethernet frame inside 
PPPoE.  Sadly, the PPPoE support in AirPort is more than a little bit naff 
(in-band MSS clamping, no support for baby jumbo frames), so cable is really 
the better option if you want the complete, Apple-polished experience (which I 
highly recommend to those that want it).

Anyway, the point is: know your options. :)

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Re: Time Capsule on a u-verse router

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

I didn’t have to change my Uverse router,  nor configure it.
Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli

 On Feb 27, 2015, at 7:59 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com wrote:
 
 Yeah, granted that you can work around it to get BTMM working, but it’s an 
 awful hack, and I’d really rather the AirPort does the routing anyway, 
 because it’s just a truckload better at it.  It is one thing that cable puts 
 a shine on, because cable modems built to spec are generally trivial to put 
 into a mode where they don’t interfere with the Ethernet traffic, and AirPort 
 is easily compatible with that.
 
 As for alternative modems, it looks like there are quite a few that support 
 EFM/PTM although you will have to go fishing.  I can well imagine why this 
 was an attractive option for ATT, but it definitely puts you—the consumer—at 
 a substantial disadvantage.
 
 And finally, to the choice of technology: here in Blighty, the cable solution 
 is the faster, but bursty satellite with constrained upstream and time-shared 
 downlink; the VDSL (for which there are many different plans) is the slower, 
 but more reliable and ubiquitous.  I happen to have a choice, and I choose 
 VDSL.  My provider offers me native IPv6, I get to pick the VDSL bridge 
 modem, and because it’s all PTM, the provider just bridges Ethernet over 
 which I can do PPPoE from the router (a Linux box) of my choice.  This gives 
 everybody involved complete freedom, although unfortunately does require that 
 terminal equipment support baby jumbo frames to handle a full Ethernet frame 
 inside PPPoE.  Sadly, the PPPoE support in AirPort is more than a little bit 
 naff (in-band MSS clamping, no support for baby jumbo frames), so cable is 
 really the better option if you want the complete, Apple-polished experience 
 (which I highly recommend to those that want it).
 
 Anyway, the point is: know your options. :)
 
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Re: Time Capsule on a u-verse router

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi:
Uverse and TC works great. I have only had 1 Internet outage in 3 years, and 
that was due to an ice storm. I get 24MB download and 3MB upload. Works great.
Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli

 On Feb 25, 2015, at 5:02 PM, Joseph ablindvou...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hello list,
 Is anyone using a time capsule on u-verse with success?
 Here’s the deal. We for a number of reasons are thinking about switching from 
 cable to u-verse.
 I am currently using my 802 11 AC duel band airport time capsule on the 
 docsis 3 cable modem just fine. Except when the cable service decides to 
 flake out.
 I have a speedstream 5360 modem that was once used on DSL and I’m thinking 
 about using it with the airport time capsule on the 18 MBPS u-verse 
 connection locally.
 Anyone have any thoughts or suggestions?
 
 TIA.
 
 
 
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Re: Time Capsule on a u-verse router

[Joseph]

Hello,
Thanks for that. Just curious. I know you’re using the TC, but what modem are 
you using for the network interface?

 On Feb 27, 2015, at 3:55 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi:
 Uverse and TC works great. I have only had 1 Internet outage in 3 years, and 
 that was due to an ice storm. I get 24MB download and 3MB upload. Works great.
 Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
 
 On Feb 25, 2015, at 5:02 PM, Joseph ablindvou...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hello list,
 Is anyone using a time capsule on u-verse with success?
 Here’s the deal. We for a number of reasons are thinking about switching 
 from cable to u-verse.
 I am currently using my 802 11 AC duel band airport time capsule on the 
 docsis 3 cable modem just fine. Except when the cable service decides to 
 flake out.
 I have a speedstream 5360 modem that was once used on DSL and I’m thinking 
 about using it with the airport time capsule on the 18 MBPS u-verse 
 connection locally.
 Anyone have any thoughts or suggestions?
 
 TIA.
 
 
 
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Re: Time Capsule on a u-verse router

[Joseph]

Hello,
Thanks. Thats also a good point, because I do want back to my mac enabled.

 On Feb 26, 2015, at 4:07 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com wrote:
 
 I prefer running the AirPort directly facing the Internet, for that way the 
 guest network and Back To My Mac features are available.
 
 U-Verse is often just (V)DSL.  It might be worthwhile your investing in a 
 modem that does the bridging, such as Draytek 120/130.  Or, see if you can 
 get your modem into bridge mode.
 
 Of course, if you aren’t bothered about guest networking or BTMM, you could 
 roll with the easier option of letting their modem do the routing, but meh, 
 that’s just surrender. :)
 
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Re: Time Capsule on a u-verse router

[Barry Hadder]

Well, I don’t see it as surrender exactly, rather as picking my battles.  You 
actually don’t have to bridge any of the residential gateways to use back to my 
mac, but you do have to do some tweaking.  I’ve seen a couple of methods, one 
of which is at https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3865704.
If you decide you want to bridge the 510, then there is a good video here: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpYROv9Fjis.

I have ADSL2+ which is what you git if TV isn’t available.  I git 6MBPs, but 
you can get speeds up to 24 I believe.
Also, uverse uses ip based dslms rather than atm based so I don’t think  just 
any off the shelf modem will work with it.

On Feb 26, 2015, at 6:07 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com wrote:

I prefer running the AirPort directly facing the Internet, for that way the 
guest network and Back To My Mac features are available.

U-Verse is often just (V)DSL.  It might be worthwhile your investing in a modem 
that does the bridging, such as Draytek 120/130.  Or, see if you can get your 
modem into bridge mode.

Of course, if you aren’t bothered about guest networking or BTMM, you could 
roll with the easier option of letting their modem do the routing, but meh, 
that’s just surrender. :)

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Re: Time Capsule on a u-verse router

[Joseph]

Hello guys,
This is getting really interesting. And I appreciate all that is being said 
here.
I did listen to the Video. Now I’ll look at the other info.
What this all hedges on is if Comcast is interested in making it’s service more 
consistent or not. I won’t even go into Comcast customer service.
All I really want is a service that is consistent and comes as close as 
possible to providing what they say they will. However, none of the ISPs 
guarantee anything.
Oh yea, another thing. A tech at ATT said that my SpeedStream 5360 would work 
with my router on u-verse, but I kind of doubt it. That’s why I’m examining all 
I can before making any moves.

 On Feb 26, 2015, at 9:02 AM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Well, I don’t see it as surrender exactly, rather as picking my battles.  You 
 actually don’t have to bridge any of the residential gateways to use back to 
 my mac, but you do have to do some tweaking.  I’ve seen a couple of methods, 
 one of which is at https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3865704.
 If you decide you want to bridge the 510, then there is a good video here: 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpYROv9Fjis.
 
 I have ADSL2+ which is what you git if TV isn’t available.  I git 6MBPs, but 
 you can get speeds up to 24 I believe.
 Also, uverse uses ip based dslms rather than atm based so I don’t think  just 
 any off the shelf modem will work with it.
 
 On Feb 26, 2015, at 6:07 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com wrote:
 
 I prefer running the AirPort directly facing the Internet, for that way the 
 guest network and Back To My Mac features are available.
 
 U-Verse is often just (V)DSL.  It might be worthwhile your investing in a 
 modem that does the bridging, such as Draytek 120/130.  Or, see if you can 
 get your modem into bridge mode.
 
 Of course, if you aren’t bothered about guest networking or BTMM, you could 
 roll with the easier option of letting their modem do the routing, but meh, 
 that’s just surrender. :)
 
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Re: Time Capsule on a u-verse router

[Barry Hadder]

Att is going to be more consistent.  they have a better network than any cable 
company.  However, cable has faster speeds at the moment, but it’s mostly burst 
speeds.  I think there is much greater potential from the telecom offerings, 
but their rollout of new stuff is still a bit rocky at the moment.  The 
equipment they provide at this time is an embarrassment, but it does do what 
it’s supposed to do no less and certainly no more.

I don’t know what you were tole about the speedstreme.  I looked at the specs 
and it is an old ADSL modem.  I’m sure you can use the router in some faction, 
but there is no way the modem can be used with the new dsl technology.   And, 
the pwreson you talk to on the phone is hardly ever a real tech.  It has been 
my experience that they actually know very little.  The person who would come 
to your door is a tech and many times they will leave you there contact info so 
you can avoid phone support all to geather.


On Feb 26, 2015, at 11:32 AM, Joseph ablindvou...@icloud.com wrote:

Hello guys,
This is getting really interesting. And I appreciate all that is being said 
here.
I did listen to the Video. Now I’ll look at the other info.
What this all hedges on is if Comcast is interested in making it’s service more 
consistent or not. I won’t even go into Comcast customer service.
All I really want is a service that is consistent and comes as close as 
possible to providing what they say they will. However, none of the ISPs 
guarantee anything.
Oh yea, another thing. A tech at ATT said that my SpeedStream 5360 would work 
with my router on u-verse, but I kind of doubt it. That’s why I’m examining all 
I can before making any moves.

 On Feb 26, 2015, at 9:02 AM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Well, I don’t see it as surrender exactly, rather as picking my battles.  You 
 actually don’t have to bridge any of the residential gateways to use back to 
 my mac, but you do have to do some tweaking.  I’ve seen a couple of methods, 
 one of which is at https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3865704.
 If you decide you want to bridge the 510, then there is a good video here: 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpYROv9Fjis.
 
 I have ADSL2+ which is what you git if TV isn’t available.  I git 6MBPs, but 
 you can get speeds up to 24 I believe.
 Also, uverse uses ip based dslms rather than atm based so I don’t think  just 
 any off the shelf modem will work with it.
 
 On Feb 26, 2015, at 6:07 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com wrote:
 
 I prefer running the AirPort directly facing the Internet, for that way the 
 guest network and Back To My Mac features are available.
 
 U-Verse is often just (V)DSL.  It might be worthwhile your investing in a 
 modem that does the bridging, such as Draytek 120/130.  Or, see if you can 
 get your modem into bridge mode.
 
 Of course, if you aren’t bothered about guest networking or BTMM, you could 
 roll with the easier option of letting their modem do the routing, but meh, 
 that’s just surrender. :)
 
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Re: Time Capsule on a u-verse router

[Joseph]

Hello,
Here’s the thing. For what we pay for cable we should be getting much better 
service, in my opinion. In regards to over the phone techs, I agree. But we’ve 
also had repair technicians come to the door both back when we had DSL several 
years ago and also with Comcast support. The problem is this as I see it. Some 
technicians are sub contracted people, while others represent only certain 
parts of the network.
At one time, we did have a technician who said he was contracted with ATT but 
didn’t work as an ATT employee. However, he did give me a business card. 
Several weeks later, I called him to ask a question and his phone number was 
disconnected.
Well, I really do appreciate all that has been said. I suppose that I’ll do 
more research and give things a little more time to see if things change in 
either direction. If Comcast gets worse, I’ll probably move to u-verse if 
comcast gets any better, I’ll probably stay with them. Only time will tell, I 
guess.
So thanks a bunch guys for all your input, much appreciated.

 On Feb 26, 2015, at 10:31 AM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Att is going to be more consistent.  they have a better network than any 
 cable company.  However, cable has faster speeds at the moment, but it’s 
 mostly burst speeds.  I think there is much greater potential from the 
 telecom offerings, but their rollout of new stuff is still a bit rocky at the 
 moment.  The equipment they provide at this time is an embarrassment, but it 
 does do what it’s supposed to do no less and certainly no more.
 
 I don’t know what you were tole about the speedstreme.  I looked at the specs 
 and it is an old ADSL modem.  I’m sure you can use the router in some 
 faction, but there is no way the modem can be used with the new dsl 
 technology.   And, the pwreson you talk to on the phone is hardly ever a real 
 tech.  It has been my experience that they actually know very little.  The 
 person who would come to your door is a tech and many times they will leave 
 you there contact info so you can avoid phone support all to geather.
 
 
 On Feb 26, 2015, at 11:32 AM, Joseph ablindvou...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hello guys,
 This is getting really interesting. And I appreciate all that is being said 
 here.
 I did listen to the Video. Now I’ll look at the other info.
 What this all hedges on is if Comcast is interested in making it’s service 
 more consistent or not. I won’t even go into Comcast customer service.
 All I really want is a service that is consistent and comes as close as 
 possible to providing what they say they will. However, none of the ISPs 
 guarantee anything.
 Oh yea, another thing. A tech at ATT said that my SpeedStream 5360 would 
 work with my router on u-verse, but I kind of doubt it. That’s why I’m 
 examining all I can before making any moves.
 
 On Feb 26, 2015, at 9:02 AM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Well, I don’t see it as surrender exactly, rather as picking my battles.  
 You actually don’t have to bridge any of the residential gateways to use 
 back to my mac, but you do have to do some tweaking.  I’ve seen a couple of 
 methods, one of which is at https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3865704.
 If you decide you want to bridge the 510, then there is a good video here: 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpYROv9Fjis.
 
 I have ADSL2+ which is what you git if TV isn’t available.  I git 6MBPs, but 
 you can get speeds up to 24 I believe.
 Also, uverse uses ip based dslms rather than atm based so I don’t think  
 just any off the shelf modem will work with it.
 
 On Feb 26, 2015, at 6:07 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com wrote:
 
 I prefer running the AirPort directly facing the Internet, for that way the 
 guest network and Back To My Mac features are available.
 
 U-Verse is often just (V)DSL.  It might be worthwhile your investing in a 
 modem that does the bridging, such as Draytek 120/130.  Or, see if you can 
 get your modem into bridge mode.
 
 Of course, if you aren’t bothered about guest networking or BTMM, you could 
 roll with the easier option of letting their modem do the routing, but meh, 
 that’s just surrender. :)
 
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Re: Time Capsule on a u-verse router

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

I prefer running the AirPort directly facing the Internet, for that way the 
guest network and Back To My Mac features are available.

U-Verse is often just (V)DSL.  It might be worthwhile your investing in a modem 
that does the bridging, such as Draytek 120/130.  Or, see if you can get your 
modem into bridge mode.

Of course, if you aren’t bothered about guest networking or BTMM, you could 
roll with the easier option of letting their modem do the routing, but meh, 
that’s just surrender. :)

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Re: Time Capsule on a u-verse router

[Barry Hadder]

Hi,

I think that you will more than likely use the NVG510.
You will just bridge the tC and plug it into the NVG510 via Lan ports.
With the older TC, you would have to bridge the NVG510 instead which is much 
more complicated.

On Feb 25, 2015, at 6:50 PM, Joseph ablindvou...@icloud.com wrote:

Hello,
Thanks for the info. At this time U-Verse TV isn’t available in my locality and 
at this point we only go to 18 MBPS.

 On Feb 25, 2015, at 4:10 PM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I’m using an Airport Extreme 4th gen with an Motorola NVG510 with no issues.  
 I have the ap in bridge mode so the 510 Uverse router takes care of router 
 functions and I use the ap as wireless access.
 
 Note that the speedstreme 5360 won’t work with Uverse.  You will need to 
 perches the equipment from them when you sign up.  Uverse DSL is IP DSL and 
 the modulation is either ADSL2+ or VDSL2+.  If you are able to get Uverse tv, 
 than it will be the latter.
 
 On Feb 25, 2015, at 5:02 PM, Joseph ablindvou...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hello list,
 Is anyone using a time capsule on u-verse with success?
 Here’s the deal. We for a number of reasons are thinking about switching from 
 cable to u-verse.
 I am currently using my 802 11 AC duel band airport time capsule on the 
 docsis 3 cable modem just fine. Except when the cable service decides to 
 flake out.
 I have a speedstream 5360 modem that was once used on DSL and I’m thinking 
 about using it with the airport time capsule on the 18 MBPS u-verse 
 connection locally.
 Anyone have any thoughts or suggestions?
 
 TIA.
 
 
 
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Re: Time Capsule on a u-verse router

[Joseph]

Hello,
Yes, that certainly sounds easier. I’m going to see if I can locate the manual 
for the NVG510. I am familiar with bridging the TC and it’s been quite a while 
back that I had one of the older 2 wire gateway devices.
 Again thanks a bunch for the suggestion.




 On Feb 25, 2015, at 6:08 PM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I think that you will more than likely use the NVG510.
 You will just bridge the tC and plug it into the NVG510 via Lan ports.
 With the older TC, you would have to bridge the NVG510 instead which is much 
 more complicated.
 
 On Feb 25, 2015, at 6:50 PM, Joseph ablindvou...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hello,
 Thanks for the info. At this time U-Verse TV isn’t available in my locality 
 and at this point we only go to 18 MBPS.
 
 On Feb 25, 2015, at 4:10 PM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I’m using an Airport Extreme 4th gen with an Motorola NVG510 with no issues. 
  I have the ap in bridge mode so the 510 Uverse router takes care of router 
 functions and I use the ap as wireless access.
 
 Note that the speedstreme 5360 won’t work with Uverse.  You will need to 
 perches the equipment from them when you sign up.  Uverse DSL is IP DSL and 
 the modulation is either ADSL2+ or VDSL2+.  If you are able to get Uverse 
 tv, than it will be the latter.
 
 On Feb 25, 2015, at 5:02 PM, Joseph ablindvou...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hello list,
 Is anyone using a time capsule on u-verse with success?
 Here’s the deal. We for a number of reasons are thinking about switching 
 from cable to u-verse.
 I am currently using my 802 11 AC duel band airport time capsule on the 
 docsis 3 cable modem just fine. Except when the cable service decides to 
 flake out.
 I have a speedstream 5360 modem that was once used on DSL and I’m thinking 
 about using it with the airport time capsule on the 18 MBPS u-verse 
 connection locally.
 Anyone have any thoughts or suggestions?
 
 TIA.
 
 
 
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Time Capsule on a u-verse router

[Joseph]

Hello list,
Is anyone using a time capsule on u-verse with success?
Here’s the deal. We for a number of reasons are thinking about switching from 
cable to u-verse.
I am currently using my 802 11 AC duel band airport time capsule on the docsis 
3 cable modem just fine. Except when the cable service decides to flake out.
I have a speedstream 5360 modem that was once used on DSL and I’m thinking 
about using it with the airport time capsule on the 18 MBPS u-verse connection 
locally.
Anyone have any thoughts or suggestions?

TIA.



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Re: Time Capsule on a u-verse router

[Barry Hadder]

I’m using an Airport Extreme 4th gen with an Motorola NVG510 with no issues.  I 
have the ap in bridge mode so the 510 Uverse router takes care of router 
functions and I use the ap as wireless access.

Note that the speedstreme 5360 won’t work with Uverse.  You will need to 
perches the equipment from them when you sign up.  Uverse DSL is IP DSL and the 
modulation is either ADSL2+ or VDSL2+.  If you are able to get Uverse tv, than 
it will be the latter.

On Feb 25, 2015, at 5:02 PM, Joseph ablindvou...@icloud.com wrote:

Hello list,
Is anyone using a time capsule on u-verse with success?
Here’s the deal. We for a number of reasons are thinking about switching from 
cable to u-verse.
I am currently using my 802 11 AC duel band airport time capsule on the docsis 
3 cable modem just fine. Except when the cable service decides to flake out.
I have a speedstream 5360 modem that was once used on DSL and I’m thinking 
about using it with the airport time capsule on the 18 MBPS u-verse connection 
locally.
Anyone have any thoughts or suggestions?

TIA.



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Re: Time Capsule on a u-verse router

[Joseph]

Hello,
Thanks for the info. At this time U-Verse TV isn’t available in my locality and 
at this point we only go to 18 MBPS.

 On Feb 25, 2015, at 4:10 PM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I’m using an Airport Extreme 4th gen with an Motorola NVG510 with no issues.  
 I have the ap in bridge mode so the 510 Uverse router takes care of router 
 functions and I use the ap as wireless access.
 
 Note that the speedstreme 5360 won’t work with Uverse.  You will need to 
 perches the equipment from them when you sign up.  Uverse DSL is IP DSL and 
 the modulation is either ADSL2+ or VDSL2+.  If you are able to get Uverse tv, 
 than it will be the latter.
 
 On Feb 25, 2015, at 5:02 PM, Joseph ablindvou...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hello list,
 Is anyone using a time capsule on u-verse with success?
 Here’s the deal. We for a number of reasons are thinking about switching from 
 cable to u-verse.
 I am currently using my 802 11 AC duel band airport time capsule on the 
 docsis 3 cable modem just fine. Except when the cable service decides to 
 flake out.
 I have a speedstream 5360 modem that was once used on DSL and I’m thinking 
 about using it with the airport time capsule on the 18 MBPS u-verse 
 connection locally.
 Anyone have any thoughts or suggestions?
 
 TIA.
 
 
 
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