RE: New apps for fremantle with Qt?
Hi -Original Message- From: maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org [mailto:maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org] On Behalf Of ext Alejandro Garcia Castro Sent: 07 September, 2009 13:19 To: Andrea Grandi Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: Re: New apps for fremantle with Qt? On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 07:48:15PM +0200, Andrea Grandi wrote: Hi, 2009/9/4 kate.alh...@nokia.com: If some of these composite widgets are so big problem, we can collect these examples as widget library. composed widget are not a problem for ObjectOriented-people :D I guess in that case you should ask Orbit team about those 50 mobile user experience widgets they are implementing over Qt ;): # A new Orbit extension library for Qt, which contains more than 50 widgets tailored for mobile user experience, and which will provide a replacement for the existing Avkon widget set. [1] http://www.nokiamobiletalk.com/2009/07/direct-ui-by-nokia-maybe -coming-soon/ Please also note this mentioned avkon and other things they are saying they would be doing there have very little if nothing to do with Maemo. It is a completely different environment solving a different set of problems. The widget set in S60 is quite different from the Maemo 5. You can easily see that if you compare a S60 phone with N900. Maemo has been and is going to different direction, so I think you can't use that in any valid comparison. Best Regards, Karoliina ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: New apps for fremantle with Qt?
Hi, On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 15:09, Kate Alholakate.alh...@nokia.com wrote: Same thing to Qt, it is not limitation of Qt. App menus looks exactly same rendered with Qt than rendered with GTK. It just uses exactly same style for elements. And this is one of the things which is being asked for! Can you post a simple example (and screenshot) of a Qt program which looks like a normal Maemo 5 app? Off the record: I was just visiting Kate's and Antonio's office and saw application menu demo. Looks nice and works both in landscape and portrait, is themed with the same graphics and looks just like a Maemo 5 Hildon Gtk app. It is coming together nicely. Best Regards, Karoliina ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: New apps for fremantle with Qt?
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 08:01 However, if you want to have the exact same user experience as the preinstalled Maemo 5 applications have (as seen in all youtube videos and the SDK), then you have much easier time and faster development with the gtk-based hildon widgets in Maemo 5. This doesn't give much of a transition plan for developers, or the chance to fix things in the Qt API whilst it's in community support mode. Before people start jumping into long term conclusions, I'd rather encourage people to start documenting to wiki.maemo.org, what is known about QT in Maemo 5 and build a better understanding collectively there. I don't know about QT any more than what is publicly informed. Which is very little. Lets move from the guesswork here to documenting what is really known to wiki. Big thanks to Kate for the clarifying post. I'm sorry I misunderstood the purpose of QT mobility. Seems it's not about widgets, but about platform components like Contacts and Services. I would caution against too easily dismissing Hildon Pickers as trivial composites that app developers can implement. At least in Hildon widgets, Claudio, Berto and others have spent huge amount of time to get the pickers work just right. You can see it yourself in the hildon git changelog. The combobox in Linux desktops is pretty much a subset of the hildon pickers (in terms of funtionality, not directly in terms of actual UI elements). So if pickers would be trivial, then why would there be a need to provide a combobox in the standard toolkit? These things are easier in some toolkits and harder in some others. To my knowledge, Gtk was not really designed for handheld touch user interface with kinetic scroll etc. on mind in the first place - it is a rather a desktop toolkit with the rather traditional mindset - and some of hard core hacking obviously was required to make it function like it functions on the Maemo 5. That is a great achievement and I have watched that with awe and lots of respect to the developers who have made it. I can now enjoy it every day with my N900, lists etc. work as they should and they make this UI very desirable. On the other hand, it was a lot easier to start the same from scratch on Startup wizard with Clutter because there was not the incompatible way of thinking as a barrier between the desired functionality and what is already there because there was nothing there already, just start from grass root level from atomic blocks (start by building a custom ClutterActor) and then figure out how to stack Actors and how to animated them to get e.g. a kinetic scroll list done. As there was no base widget, there was no limitations of the base widget and no associated problems, just putting some lego blocks together and it was done. With some adjustable parameters and then fine tuning the feel with these parameters, it was actually quite efficient to do it. I believe Qt can be in the same position pretty much, if the widget is started from scratch rather basing it on some existing widget which has similar limitations than the equivalent in the Gtk. Qt is more like Gtk + Clutter combined rather than being equivalent of the Gtk alone. Kate said there is some kinetic scroll list already there in the Qt, but I don't know how its parameters match to the Hildon/Gtk version we have on the Maemo 5, but I think that with some work it can be done to function 100% equally, as it works equally on startup wizard despite it is a completely separate implementation with a completely different kind of technology behind it. And despite of that, it still just works, perfectly. IMHO good news about composite widgets is that they are very easy to create in Qt. Many things which are very cryptic in Gtk and glib (no flame intended, I know that hard core glib people will disagree, but I don't happen to be very enlightened to the gobject despite having made few custom ClutterActors myself in C/glib) are so simple on Qt, just few lines of very understandable and easy C++ code. I am sure Kate can show examples. Another good news is that the QGraphicsView appears to have almost everything that is in Clutter, and modern mobile user interface widgets can be built with it rather than basing them on the traditional widgets. And what is more, Qt allows extensive embedding of the traditional widgets to the graphics view which may make the task even easier. This sounds so interesting that I may need to look into it someday. I managed to finally get a QT app running (qt-maemo-example from fremantle extras-devel). Based on that experience, I updated the QT wiki page at: http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt4_Hildon#Limitations I hope you guys will make additions and corrections to there, so we have more information easily available. I believe you (or anybody else) are very welcome to pixel perfect and fine tune the list performances of the Qt equivalent widgets if someone creates the missing
RE: New apps for fremantle with Qt?
On the other hand, it was a lot easier to start the same from scratch on Startup wizard with Clutter because there was not the incompatible way of thinking as a barrier between the desired functionality and what is already there because there was nothing there already, just start from grass root level from atomic blocks (start by building a custom ClutterActor) and then figure out how to stack Actors and how to animated them to get e.g. a kinetic scroll list done. As there was no base widget, there was no limitations of the base widget and no associated problems, just putting some lego blocks together and it was done. With some adjustable parameters and then fine tuning the feel with these parameters, it was actually quite efficient to do it. Sure but the question here is not to make super customized widgets but rather to use widgets the way they should be used in an interface, following the established guidelines to provide the user with a nice experience. If you have custom widgets in every program on a system, users will find it harder to use. They will not know what to expect when they tap on a widget they never saw before... that's the point of having guidelines. Please read my sentences above. I meant about replicating the functionality of the widget done with other technology with another and ending up with exactly the same user experience. It is possible and the guidelines can be followed to create the new widgets. There is nothing that prevents that, it is just some additional work required for the developer as there are hildon widgets lacking from the selection of widgets on the Qt side. If you compare the kinetic scroll list on the startup wizard to the kinetic scroll list elsewhere, you may find that it functions the same way, despite that is Clutter and elsewhere it is Gtk. Similarly I am sure it can be done also with the Qt in the same way, so that as end user you can't see the difference (except that on different toolkits there may be slight performance differences, e.g. pure clutter can be obviously faster than Gtk and similarly the performance may differ on the Qt version to direction or another depending on the case). It just requires accurate tuning for all the parameters to get the scroll behavior exactly the same and then basically the end result is the same. It is possible, and not even hard, it just needs some work and fine tuning. The Qt port is implemented with the community and the community and community can propose patches to Antonio/Kate instead so that the implemented widgets can be joined to the their port rather than everybody implementing their own versions without contributing them to the port ending up with different results on each program. Of course nobody prohibits people to do that either, this is free software and you have the freedom of choice always to do one way or the another. What comes to the kinetic scroll list, it has certain little details that are important, otherwise it will feel different (and not right): - edge bounce - easing on edge bounce (the movement decelerates before it stops instead of stopping mechanically) - friction - inertia - scrolling speed (comes from the physics of the friction, inertia, and the initial speed given by the finger) - finger following - item selection sensitivity from touch - item deselection sensitivity from following movement - stoppable movement (despite of high inertia, stopped finger stops the movement immediately) To get these right, it really requires trying out on the device how it feels. When doing the startup wizard we found that some sensitivities (e.g. selection sensitivity) need to be a bit different when operated on mouse than when operated on finger on the device. Once the list is perfected, all the other widgets are easily composited from these lists and other widgets. So it is a good idea to start from making a list on Qt to function exactly like it functions on the Hildon. Best Regards, Karoliina ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: Maemo development on Mac OS X
Hello, I would like to add that I have been trying to get some open source software which is based on gtk+ or glib running on Leopard (like Gimp2), and the situation currently is: 1. Fink does not install because it detects that I am using Leopard and says that it requires Tiger 2. Macports work to some extent except for installation of gettext which seems to try to execute emacs on automake and emacs install from Macports does not seem to work (it is a very weird dependency by the way that automake of gettext executes emacs, have not noticed such thing on Linux side). You could develop plugins for Hildon Desktop and some Hildon applications too without scratchox (and do the final compilation on Scratchbox only) if you had the Hildon stuff compiled on your native system (I have done that on Linux and I was going to do it for Mac, but haven't succeed so far). If you could get the dependencies to work first, you could compile maemo-gtk+, maemo-glib, hildon-desktop etc. and run these natively on the system. Might be doable on the old Tiger, but on Leopard, because Macports seems to be broken with Leopard, it does not work at least for me. Easiest way maybe is to install Ubuntu Linux on Parallels and run scratchbox there. Alternatively you can arrange a dual-boot configuration and run Ubuntu Linux and Leopard on side by side. Best Wishes Karoliina I just got a MacBook Pro and I was wondering if there is a way to install a Maemo development on it. I know I can run a Linux box inside Parallels/VMWare, but I was wondering if there is a native way to do it. Suggestions? Scratchbox is only for Linux, so there's not really any way to do Maemo development other than Parallels/VMWare. -- Daniel ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: About the upcoming maemo user karma
Hi, Comments welcome, as always :-) Having same e-mail account everywhere is not very nice. Please consider allowing more of them. At least mailing list vs rest (maemo profile, garage). Mailing list has relatively high volume so people may want to handle it differently. Currently I changed it to be the same (mainly to test it and see how much points it will give me) but I don't plan to keep it that way. Also more addresses would be useful to allow future changes. I suppose if one changes e-mail for sending messages to the list, his karma for list will start from scratch, right? That thing by the way applies to me too: I have my gmail address in garage account, but write often to maemo-developers from my Nokia address and also from home sometimes from my gmail address. And then, I am getting thumbs down on planet.maemo always when I post something which is not directly related to the current products (being 770, N800, N810) (which I presume reduces the karma?) or is too deeply related to e.g. programming. So with this setup, I don't care about karma, it will be terrible anyway. Best Regards, Karoliina ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: how to make install package for applications written in python
Hello, From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext Xi Chen Sent: 24 April, 2007 13:11 To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: how to make install package for applications written in python Hi, Could tell me how to make debian package for python applications? I developed my application using python and not in scratchbox environment... directly edit file and test it in real device. Following the tutorial from maemo.org, I found command dh_make isn't there in device... Are you editing the file directly on the device then? I think you can create the package on your Linux machine as it does not include executable binary files, to my understanding it does not require scratchbox, so I think you can run the dh_make on your PC without scratchbox. From current sources, you could take some configuration package (which does not include executable binary files) as an example and do the same thing in your package. Best Wishes, Karoliina http://www.karoliinasalminen.com/blog Thanks in adv. Xi ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: N800 experimental host mode patches available
Tony Lindgren I've posted some experimental N800 host mode patches to [1] for people to play with. Cool stuff! Our EFIS and engine monitor projects are depending on this and this is extremely good news in that light! Best Regards, Karoliina Salminen ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Hildon Desktop for desktop Linux? Anybody tried yet?
Hello, Has anybody tried to compile Hildon Desktop for their Linux (e.g. Ubuntu?) yet? Lucas and I have blogged about it sometime ago. Any experiences/comments/questions/whatever to share? The instructions written by Lucas can be found through my lauchpad specification that I started when Lucas got some progress on his port: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hildon-desktop-for-ubuntu I think the Hildon Desktop would be pretty good for use as user interface for UMPCs, tablet PCs etc. running some Linux distro (if operated using the touch screen). Added benefit would be that the applets/plugins made for Nokia devices would also run on the PC and also the applets made for the PC would run on the Nokia device (python applets would run out of the box without recompilation even). Best Regards, Karoliina ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: UAE Amiga emulator running on Nokia 770
Hello, Hi Group, I just cross-compiled the UAE Amiga emulator to the Nokia 770. That is cool! Does it also work on N800? Getting about 10fps in Arkanoid. It's much prettier than the Atari ST version. I love some Amiga games, for example one of my all time favourites was Faery Tale. I tried it on PC on UAE though and didn't get the game saving work, so it was a bit useless since the world is huge. Other favourites from Amiga were: Elite, Dungeon Master and Chaos Strikes Back. Actually I played through the Dungeon Master several times and was pretty much expert on it. Also Turricans were so nice... And The Great Giana Sisters... The config menu kinda almost works. Keyboard works. Mouse works, but absolute positioning with touchscreen not so much. Sound still not working. Ok. Sounds promising! Best Wishes, Karoliina ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: Configure a GCC
Hi, Anyone know how to configure a GCC on the scratchbox? Thanks, Magda, You are not supposed to configure the gcc on scratchbox, the environment is already fully set up if you just follow the instructions on the Maemo.org site. Just start using it have fun. Please note that gcc is a command line tool and you are not going to see any IDE (integrated development environment etc.) appearing. You just can type e.g. gcc hello.c -o hello Best Regards, Karoliina ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: Developping C application on maemo without scratchbox
Hi, Hello, I'm trying to run a simple program on my device nokia N800, without scratchbox and it doesn't work!! First of all what are you trying to do? Are you trying to set up compilation environment on the device in order to be able to compile programs without scratchbox? This is very complicated thing to do. The reason is simply that the development libraries, gcc etc. takes a lots of space and you may be in trouble in trying to fit that on the internal flash. This would be pretty cool thing to have if there was plenty of resources on the device to allow that, but with the restrictions the device sets, it is going to be hard and I am not sure if you was going to attempt this. Or maybe you trying to do something else like execute your hello.c on your device. If the case is the latter, it sounds like you don't have your compilation environment, in other words, Scratchbox, correctly setted up on your PC and you are trying something else which will not work. It tells me Permission Denied when I use ./, after doing chmod +x, and I can't use gcc to run it !! I guess you know gcc is not used to run c-programs but to compile them to machine language. The C is compiled language and is not an interpreted language where you could run something with gcc. I hope you are not meaning chmod +x hello.c and then attempt ./hello.c which will of course never work. I already install a gcc package gcc3.4.4, but I don't have the possibility to use it! Where did you install it? On the device or on your computer? Please could someone help me!! Thank you very much for reply!! If you want to do a simple C application for N800, you have to: 1. install scratchbox according to the instructions on the Meamo site 2. install rootstraps according to the instructions on the Maemo site 3. _Inside_ the scratchbox on arm-target, compile your program, for example: gcc hello.c -o hello 4. Copy your compiled executable to the device by e.g. copying to the memory card. 5. Go to x-terminal and cd e.g. /media/mmc2/ (depending on which memory card you did put your file, is it in the internal slot or on the external slot) 6. Then you can execute your hello by typing ./hello And surely it works and it doesn't say Permission Denied. It can say this if you haven't compiled your binary properly, e.g. if you have compiled in on the PC without the cross compilation environment, namely Scratchbox. Best Regards, Karoliina Salminen http://www.karoliinasalminen.com/blog ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: USB on N800
Hi, Hi everyone, I've read a number of emails and forum posts that talk about using the usb to connect peripherals. I used the flasher to enable RD mode and USB host mode and there are no errors. But when I reboot and connect a keyboard through my power booster I made, it still thinks it is just connected to a computer. Does the USB only work on the 770 or do I need to do something to the kernel to get it working or do I need to do anything else to get it working. We have been too busy lately that we haven't had yet time to test our EFIS-project with the N800 the external hardware. I'll report our findings once I get that far that to connect the microcontroller to the USB of the N800. I have just assumed that it would work, and so far haven't verified it. With 770 it has been verified that it works and on last summer, we managed to even get real readings from the Rotax 912 of our airplane to the Engine monitor running on Nokia 770. Best Wishes, Karoliina ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] How to learn DSP development for N800?
Hi, Well, do you want direct access to DSP or do you want to use just gstreamer? I am not the best person to answer either one, but using gstreamer should be somewhat simpler. For example recording video with gstreamer is one command line call as Mohammad pointed out on his blog (he had made the curling video with N800 by commanding gstreamer from command line ). Br, Karoliina -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext Hanno Zulla Sent: 05 February, 2007 16:56 To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: [maemo-developers] How to learn DSP development for N800? Hi, I'd like to learn about how to write an app / a library that can use the DSP for some basic multimedia stuff. I'm looking for a simple example source for the N800 that does DSP stuff to learn from it. Any project you can recommend? Thanks, Hanno ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Advise on embedding images on docbook document?
Hello, I am in process of writing the specification of UI framework (meaning Hildon Desktop Control panel) and we have chosen docbook xml format. I am quite new to docbook and don't know really all the tricks with it, so maybe somebody of you would know better: Here is my question: I have tried to embed images on the document (for example screenshot, diagrams etc. with different formats), but for some reason it haven't worked for me, the image caption gets on its place etc. but there is no picture in the pdf, so would you have some idea what migth I been doing wrong? I have tried to embed a screenshot of hildon desktop like this: figuretitleHildon Desktop: Task Navigator, Status bar, Home/title screenshot mediaobject imageobject imagedata fileref=hildondesktop.jpg format=JPEG/ /imageobject textobject phraseScreenshot of Hildon Desktop/phrase /textobject /mediaobject /screenshot /figure Then I tried to embed another image like this: figuretitleExample MSC/title mediaobject imageobjectimagedata fileref=examplemsc.eps format=EPS//imageobject textobjectphraseExample message sequence/phrase/textobject /mediaobject /figure Neither of these images are visible in the generated pdf. Obviously there might be something wrong in the command line used to generate the pdf, currently it has been like this: docbook2pdf hildon-desktop-spec.xml -o pdf I am getting some latex warnings though, but not sure what they mean, as I am not a latex guru. Any ideas? Thanks. Best Regards, Karoliina ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] Advise on embedding images on docbook document?
Hi, figure titleThe slide management window/title graphic fileref=../images/webswf-slide.gif/graphic /figure It worked on both HTML and PDF generation, but I used a different toolchain: xsltproc for HTML and fop for PDF generation. BTW the last time I did it was several months ago and I don't remember all the details, I only remember spending *a lot* of time figuring out how to do this task. Thanks. This one worked. I also tried Vlad's tags but they didn't work any better. The image was missing. But with the graphic-tag, the images embed providing that they are pixmaps (doesn't seem to work with eps). I don't know why the mediaobject didn't work out. I can live with the graphic tag right now. This has taken me time from the last week when I started fighting with this. I will export from Umbrello as png since the graphic tag didn't seem to work with eps. I haven't tried Apache Fob yet because there seem to be no packages for it to Ubuntu [Feisty] and I have been too lazy to obtain the source/binary/whatever in the traditional way without the convenience of apt... Best Wishes, Karoliina Hope it helps. Regards. 2007/1/31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Hello, I am in process of writing the specification of UI framework (meaning Hildon Desktop Control panel) and we have chosen docbook xml format. I am quite new to docbook and don't know really all the tricks with it, so maybe somebody of you would know better: Here is my question: I have tried to embed images on the document (for example screenshot, diagrams etc. with different formats), but for some reason it haven't worked for me, the image caption gets on its place etc. but there is no picture in the pdf, so would you have some idea what migth I been doing wrong? I have tried to embed a screenshot of hildon desktop like this: figuretitleHildon Desktop: Task Navigator, Status bar, Home/title screenshot mediaobject imageobject imagedata fileref=hildondesktop.jpg format=JPEG/ /imageobject textobject phraseScreenshot of Hildon Desktop/phrase /textobject /mediaobject /screenshot /figure Then I tried to embed another image like this: figuretitleExample MSC/title mediaobject imageobjectimagedata fileref=examplemsc.eps format=EPS//imageobject textobjectphraseExample message sequence/phrase/textobject /mediaobject /figure Neither of these images are visible in the generated pdf. Obviously there might be something wrong in the command line used to generate the pdf, currently it has been like this: docbook2pdf hildon-desktop-spec.xml -o pdf I am getting some latex warnings though, but not sure what they mean, as I am not a latex guru. Any ideas? Thanks. Best Regards, Karoliina ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- Alessandro Pasotti w3: www.itopen.it ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] Creating themes for Maemo
Hi, 1) Install the hildon-theme-tools 2) Install the hildon-theme-layout-3 (that's the bora layout) 3) Copy the hlidon-theme-plankton-3 to your own dir, replace some names in configure.ac (they're documented in the file) 4) Replace the template.png with your own. Well, I tried to modify the plankton theme. I tried to compile the package, but the new plankton theme depends on hildon-theme-layout-4. I didn't find it from the repositories. I have both bora and sardine repositories in my scratchbox's sources.list. Where can I find hildon-theme-layout-4? Best Wishes, Karoliina ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] OS 2007 / 770 hacker edition
Hi, -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext Wahlau - Sent: 25 January, 2007 11:44 To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: Re: [maemo-developers] OS 2007 / 770 hacker edition hi, first of all thanks for the engineering version - at least some of us here will not find ourselves abandoned. :) my first concern is - performance... would the OS2007 for 770 work sacrificing speed and stability? Not exactly sure yet, but at least in maemo-af-desktop (aka Hildon Desktop) the changes aren't towards more demanding for the HW, in fact, there have been lots of optimization work. or it can work with OS2007 software at the OS2006 speed? Since N800 has better hardware spec, it might be possible that OS2007 will work on 770 ultimately, but not as smooth as how OS2006 does on 770. I could suspect that the most demanding softwares are those which are closed and not part of the hacker edition anyhow. Quite a bit of our development work was done with the old HW and Sardine anyway (e.g. jobi has used Sardine). Of course things will run a bit faster on the N800 HW because it is simply faster and there is more RAM available, but at least Hildon Desktop changes aren't the nature that it would make the OS2006 faster than the new hacker edition. I can tell more about it later (maybe on my blog) once I upgrade my 770 with the hacker-edition. I am currently runing the plain OS2006 on my 770 since I use most of the time the new N800 since it just looks feels so much cooler than the 770 (IMHO) - (combination of the new industrial design and new theme and such little neat details)). Best Regards, Karoliina http://www.karoliinasalminen.com/blog thanks. regards, wahlau On 25/01/07, Frantisek Dufka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Carlos and Markku this is pretty cool :-) Have a look at Markku's notes (http://maemo.org/maemowiki/Os2007On770) if you are interested in the gory details. He'll be updating these notes as he continues to work on this. Quite interesting reading. Found some of those bits about initfs and kernel too. An image will be available soon for download and flashing, to 770 users only. I guess including some sources - kernel at least (I am interested and maybe could even help) or all modified packages. After that, Maemo developers with a 770 and a bit of time on their hands are encouraged to check it out. I will and definitely try to help if possible. Few questions/ideas: Did you try to leave old kernel from 2.2006 and backport changes needed (if any) from rx-34 kernel? Seems easier than using rx-34 kernel directly (arch/arm/omap1/ is outdated). What newer kernel gives us? Same for initfs, what does break, dsme,bme? Thanks for the toolchain name, I had to build static version of evkey for bootmenu since I couldn't find correct uclibc toolchain. there is 'We used rx-34-initfs from apt-repository as a base' where is this, something internal? We will work on this still for some time though it is hard to say how long. It will also depend on how this is received. It might be that we can get more of the DSP and Multimedia to work, or maybe not. Could leaving old kernel, dspgateway, dsp_dld and all n770 codecs help with this? Updated gstreamer could be nice, though. Maybe some fixes in newer gst dsp plugins to make it work with older DSP stuff can make this possible? We can't justify doing much work on this hybrid, our development focus is really on the N800. However, if we manage to make further progress we will release updated images. We'll look at any patches that people in the Maemo community might turn up and consider applying them and releasing new images. We can't promise we will do a good job there but let's see what we can manage. Well I think community can (in theory) keep working on this and continue as long as is needed. What is not clear is how far we can go without those few but important closed bits (initfs - dsme/bme, config partition format, cal-tool etc., dsp stuff) and implications they have on the rest. This is again, something new for us, and we hope to learn something in the process. Yes, at least it can be another push to opensource something needed for this or reveal how far we can go without it. I am pleasantly surprised by the progress so far. Best regards, Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- = : : : --- normal reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] urgent reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- : : : == ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list
RE: [maemo-developers] Building 'maemo 3.0' against stockbase libraries
Hi, I'm interested in getting 'maemo' to build against stock base libraries when possible and use it on various non-nokia devices (including my x86 workstation, maemo-mapper at 1600x1200... drool...). We have been already working with that. I had a quickdirty demo along with me in Ubuntu Developer Summit Mointain View which was hacked together by Johan in insanely short time and was not any near production quality stuff. So it wasn't ready for anything but just showing that Hildon Desktop runs on Desktop with some hacking and it can be done. However, this thing is going to be based on the new Hildon Desktop our guys are working on (Johan, Lucas, Moises), it is not the trunk version but in branches and though it is not very mature yet. The Hildon Desktop is the package formerly named as maemo-af-desktop, we decided to rename it for consistency one day. But that is intended to become the version which is gong to work in addition to Nokia devices also on desktop Linux such as Ubuntu/Debian/yourdistrogoeshere etc. If you want to help, you might want to look to stage's branches, branch titled new_hildon_desktop. If you want send patches for it, feel free to send them to us. Br, Karoliina --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.karoliinasalminen.com/blog ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] Building 'maemo 3.0' againststockbase libraries
Hi, branches and though it is not very mature yet. The Hildon Desktop is the package formerly named as maemo-af-desktop, we decided to rename it for consistency one day. But that is intended to become the version which is gong to work in addition to Nokia devices also on desktop Linux such as Ubuntu/Debian/yourdistrogoeshere etc. If you want to help, you might want to look to stage's branches, branch titled new_hildon_desktop. If you want send patches for it, feel free to send them to us. Thanks, I'll look into those. Here is the branch: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/branches/maemo-af-desktop /hildon-desktop/ Br, Karoliina regards, Koen -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFo54jMkyGM64RGpERAhJbAKC8OANE7GJUlDrCSiR1zRwDb26tpwCcD2kZ VELicJ1nvxgiLMo4e/CQQyM= =BkZu -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] maemo developer environment - OS X PPC / BSD?
Hi, Hello, I'd like to hear from others who have a working development set-up. I have an i486 boxrunning Desktop BSD, an iBook G4(10.4.8), and an i586 with XP. I'd prefer to install the development system on an external firewire drive. Well, you could do it with that way, but might be easier in short term to just install e.g. Ubuntu along with the XP if you have some reasons to keep using it. Best WIshes, Karoliina ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] Maemo and Ubuntu Edgy: Is it safe?
Hi, I have been using Ubuntu Edgy quite some time and I have been also using the Maemo version of the scratchbox and rootstraps (I don't use our internal version anylonger). I have had no problems with that. However, with the flasher program there is some library/kernel module version problem, it doesn't recognize the device connected to the USB (USB works perfectly in Dapper, the flasher program would just need a recompile). Might work if you use older (Dapper) kernel but I am not sure, with current absense of Edgy-flasher (as far as I know, not currently publicly available), might be safer to currently have some computer still running dapper for this flashing purpose and use the Edgy machine for everything else. For me Edgy works perfectly except for one thing (which is quite severe for me): I had got the Dell Latitude D600 working with my 23 Apple Cinema Display (connected with DVI) with using the fglrx driver on Dapper but now the fglrx driver works (with same settings) as badly as the ati or radeon drivers (which result a blank screen, the Cinema Display don't wake up, it don't even try and it is hard to debug because it wakes up only in perfectly suitable 1920x1200 mode and text mode is totally blank, I think it might have something to do with power management but tweaking settings have been so far no go). So it works very well, if you don't attempt to use the (dapper-dependent) flasher and if you don't have a Dell 23 Apple display. I have had no other problems than that (the problems always tend to be concentrated to xorg.conf). Best Wishes, Karoliina -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext Murray Cumming Sent: 18 October, 2006 10:39 To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: [maemo-developers] Maemo and Ubuntu Edgy: Is it safe? Has anyone upgraded to Ubuntu Edgy yet? Is the maemo/scratchbox environment working OK with it? -- Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop (TaskNavigator, Home, Status bar)?
Hello, Thanks for so far your replies, I have got a large number of feature proposals already. I am still accepting feature ideas to my roadmap, so please keep on posting them on the list. What would you wish from your dream-device in terms of UI framework (Task Navigator, Home, Status bar, Control panel)? Is there something you would like to have done better or something that you'd like to have to be done in a completely different way? Don't limit your imagination to how e.g. Task Navigator works now, but think how it would ideally work, without the limits? What would be ultra-cool there? Please think it also out of context of the current hardware, you can suggest also ideas that would be nice on the platform despite they aren't really realistic with the current 770 hardware. Any cool ideas are warmly welcome. Thanks! Best Wishes, Karoliina Salminen http://www.karoliinasalminen.com/blog ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] RE: [maemo-users] Future features for Maemo Desktop (Task Navigator, Home, Status bar)?
Hello, Thanks for your feature proposals for Maemo Desktop so far. I'll be collecting them next week, so please keep posting them over the weekend. I am glad to note that some of the proposed features are by the way already being implemented to Sardine. But more on that later. Anything about the basic usability of Task Navigator Status bar combo for example. Would you like to see some other kind of arrangement or is this current one good? Also how about the application switcher, would you like it to be something different or are you happy with the current one, if you would like it to be different, please describe how? Please keep posting your ideas, your opinion does matter! Best Wishes, Karoliina http://www.karoliinasalminen.com/blog ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] Internet Tablet OS 2006 edition install withoutWindows?
Title: RE: [maemo-developers] Internet Tablet OS 2006 edition install withoutWindows? Hello, The Linux flasher should be available. I checked the download page and noticed that it was not available from there which is a surprise. I think it is an error on web page or something. Maemo guys could comment and propably fix the problem. You can download the Linux flasher 2.0 from a separate page: http://www.maemo.org/downloads/d3.php Best Wishes, Karoliina -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of ext Hannes Wolf Sent: Tue 7/4/2006 2:54 PM To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: [maemo-developers] Internet Tablet OS 2006 edition install withoutWindows? Is it possible to install Internet Tablet OS 2006 edition install without a Windows PC? If yes, how? If no, why not? TIA. Hannes Wolf (CyBear). ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] Building maemo_af_desktop
Hello, Actually you should build the maemo-af-desktop with dpkg-buildpackage: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot It has been explained in my blog from last year or so: http://www.karoliinasalminen.com/blog/?page_id=16 If you install the built debian package, the menu structure should work. Can you explain in more detail what did you do in order for making empty menu? Best Regards, Karoliina Salminen http://www.karoliinasalminen.com/blog -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext Aaron Levinson Subject: [maemo-developers] Building maemo_af_desktop I recently needed to rebuild maemo_af_desktop (version 1.72 used with maemo 1.1). Invoking the configure script without any arguments will result in a functional binary. working binary: ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc . ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] Best IDE for maemo development?
Hello, On Linux-PC: I am using usually just shell (gnome terminal) with multiple tabs, do all compiling stuff there (scratchbox tab), and usually KDE's Kate editor on another virtual screen. Works pretty fast to me and I haven't really needed IDE so far. I have been a fan of Ultraedit (for Windows) longer time ago (when I was making software for network elements) and the Kate editor has been quite ok replacement for it, not as nice as Ultraedit (Kate lacks hundreds of features that are present in Ultraedit but still has the most essential set of them), but nearly and the user interface is quite similar that I have used to and it integrates well to Gnome, KDE or Xfce desktops. If I need to edit something quickly (like changelog), then I just launch nano. And of course it is handy to have devhelp around to check API reference. And finally but not least, of course, web browser, to google code examples. And of course also a tab that has python open, I use it as calculator (when I don't have my HP48GX close at hand or it has batteries run out). Ok, nearly forgot, at home, our new kitten that walks on the keyboard and contributes noise to the code occasionally plus makes scratches to 770 screens (already did one little scratch unfortunately, fortunately it was not the 770 that is my own (my precisious, my treasure :), but one of those owned by Nokia :) )... At home I occasionally actually use Emacs, because Kate (the person, not the editor) prefers to use it and if I come to hack with the same machine, then I am too lazy to launch my own preferred editor and just do the changes with Emacs. Anyway, I prefer to use terminal for doing compiling. Best regards, Karoliina http://www.karoliinasalminen.com/blog A little survey about your development preferences: For the people that develops often on maemo, what IDE/set of tools have you found to be essential to this task? Anjuta? Emacs? Kdevelop? Eclipse? devhelp? ... ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] RFC: Redesigning the HildonApp+Views
Hi, A design document is available here: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/doc/hildon-window/ Umm... it seems thi directory requires authentication!? Yes, but the username is always guest and password guest when you want just checkout or read the contents. Committing things is another issue, only package maintainers can do commits (in my area: me and Johan) but we are accepting patches from OSS community (also) if someone provides suitable ones. Also suggestions and ideas are all along very welcome. Best Regards, Karoliina http://www.karoliinasalminen.com/blog ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] Still problems with Linux flasher tool...
Roberto Resoli wrote: 2005/11/21, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: To my knowledge (please correct me if this is not true in all conditions) there is no need to start the update BEFORE turning on the device. I found that with the RD mode enabled the 'hold the home key' technique does not work; the device does a normal boot regardless -- starting the flasher before connecting the device to the usb is the only way in which I could get it into update mode (incidentaly, this means that the windows flasher is useless when you have RD enabled, because it does not seem to have a waiting mode). I do it always so that I put the flasher to waiting and then turn on the device. Works always. I don't know about the Windows-flasher, I have never tried it. And by the way the first time I heard about the home key thing. Perhaps if you are confident that there is a such issue with the Windows-flasher (that it does not have the wait mode), you may file a bug against it. Or just use Linux and be happy, e.g. I wouldn't do software development in anywhere else anyway :). Karoliina ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] Still problems with Linux flasher tool...
Hello, Here is a short step by step howto: - Switch off the 770 device. - Plug in the usb cable. - Execute flasher. $ flasher --enable-rd-mode - Flasher starts waiting in the loop until you switch the device back on. - Switch on the 770 device. - And you are done. Best Regards, Karoliina Salminen http://www.karoliinasalminen.com/blog -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext Marco Wierer Sent: 17 November, 2005 23:28 To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: [maemo-developers] Still problems with Linux flasher tool... Hello, I'm trying to activate the rd mode on my device using the Linux flasher tool but the tool just waits in an endless loop waiting for the device (Suitable USB device not found, waiting). I already read all threads regarding this topic but I don't have a clue what I'm doing wrong: I turn off the device, start the flasher tool, attach the device and power on the device but without success. I also removed the MMC - same result. The device is simply booting and telling me that it's attached to USB. The 770 is directly connected to the USB interface on my computer (no hub) and I have firmware version 1.2005.42-9 installed on the device. I'm using SuSE 9.3 - any thoughts? Thnx, Marco ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] flasher (Linux) doesn't find device
Hello, Yes, always start flashing by first turning off the device. Then you connect the usb cable, start flasher with parameters like (whatever you prefer), my usual parameters are: ./flasher -F rootimagename -f --enable-rd-mode --enable-usb-host-mode --set-rd-flags=serial-console and only after that you switch the device on with the power button. I have also found a good way (actually it was not invented by me though) with this by having the battery cover open, so if I do a mistake, I can take the battery out if a reset is needed quickly: If the battery cover is open and you hit/knock the device gently from the front side with something soft (e.g. with your hand), the battery drops (to your hand, if you have it waiting on the bottom of the device). After the flashing is 100%, switch off the device by knocking the battery out. Then put the battery back and start the device. If you flash the developer rootimage, be sure that you have the product rootimage nearby, so you can put it back afterwards. If you want to set the device only to rd-mode, you don't need to flash, you can just type (you need to do the same thing though as described above): ./flasher --enable-rd-mode Best Regards, Karoliina I cannot get the flasher find the device. All it says is: Suitable USB device not found, waiting Found the problem. The device has to be switched off when being plugged in but then has to be _switched on_. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] console?
Hello, Offhand, it looks like the developer devices shipping this week are not configured specially for developers in any way. Can anybody confirm that? The developer devices have the (unfortunately quite restricted) product image like the other devices. Someone else who is responsible on that, can perhaps explain (since I don't know the answer to the question why). However, like there was the discussion lately how to obtain root access, people unfortunately need to hack the device a bit to make the environment friendly and useful for development. Best Regards, Karoliina Salminen ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] If there is any possible to port Maemo to MotoE680(i)
Hi, I am quite sure that it could be doable assuming you can reflash the device or gain root access by other means and put stuff in there. Not very quick task though but doable I think. Br, Karoliina -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ext Liki Du Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 7:18 PM To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: [maemo-developers] If there is any possible to port Maemo to MotoE680(i) Hi all, I have a Motorola E680 mobile also based on linux, to say it's MontaVista edition. And its Graphic Framework is based on a QT embed stuff names EZX, quite similiar to Qtopia, and I know Maemo is based on GTK+, so if it is possible to port Maemo to Moto E680? -- Liki, A V0idsouL Cogito ego, sum. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
