Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 08:59 +0300, Alberto Mardegan wrote: Thomas Perl wrote: 2010/4/15 Aniello Del Sorbo ani...@gmail.com: I am now using HeAboutDialog as well... only issue is that it doesn't properly render in portrait mode :) Patches are welcome :p No patches should be necessary since PR1.2: http://maemo.gitorious.org/hildon/gtk/blobs/master/gtk/gtkdialog.c#line680 Very nice! Thanks for the pointer. Conny ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:55, Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org wrote: Similarly, as Ovi takes off, it is interesting to think about how micro-payments for ones software could make one a bit of money (100 users at $1 each is a nice present); but whilst still having our software as open source. There've been suggestions in the past of a Donate button on each project's website, but I suggest we thrash out a scheme - and then implement - a consistent micro-donation system for maemo.org To kick the ball rolling on this again, since I think we can get quick wins. I've just noticed that addons.mozilla.org has exactly the kind of standardised donation form I was imagining. For example, see: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/469 Clicking Contribute opens a little box asking you whether you want to make a one-time contribution of the suggested amount, a one-time donation of another amount or a regular monthly donation. With optional comment. Clicking Donate then takes you to a PayPal Billing information page. There's a Drupal module (apparently) which uses PayPal's Mass Payment API[1] and a blog post introducing Mozilla's pilot[2]. Does anyone know how it works? We must have a Mozilla developer around here, or someone with a PayPal connection! Thanks in advance, Andrew [1] https://cms.paypal.com/ca/cgi-bin/?cmd=_render-contentcontent_ID=developer/howto_api_masspay [2] http://blog.mozilla.com/addons/2009/07/15/firefox-add-ons-contributions-pilot/ -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
Inspired by TouchSearch, I've started to implement a standardized way in my widgets some weeks ago. This includes handling donations: The option window always has four buttons arranged 2x2: - Settings: brings you the to app-specific settings - Help: Opens the app help page, which is a maemo wiki page. (This has a number of advantages, like external hosting and editable by everyone) - About: The about dialogue - Donate: Opens a donation page in Paypal. Very easy to setup, just one hyperlink. I'm persuaded that this is the single most efficient way to do it. A developer can easily handle it himself and it is very quick to setup. (There is a generator available inside PayPal that allows you to setup the form and generates the necessary hyperlink) It's kept under complete control by the developer and no community effort is needed. Paypal is widely accepted, also allows direct payment by CreditCard and generally works very well (I've done many thousands of transactions over it). Try any of my Bluezwitch, Sleeper or Shutter widgets (or the soon-to-be-bugfixed recaller :-) to see it in action. Happy hacking -Tom 2010/4/15 Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org: On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:55, Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org wrote: Similarly, as Ovi takes off, it is interesting to think about how micro-payments for ones software could make one a bit of money (100 users at $1 each is a nice present); but whilst still having our software as open source. There've been suggestions in the past of a Donate button on each project's website, but I suggest we thrash out a scheme - and then implement - a consistent micro-donation system for maemo.org To kick the ball rolling on this again, since I think we can get quick wins. I've just noticed that addons.mozilla.org has exactly the kind of standardised donation form I was imagining. For example, see: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/469 Clicking Contribute opens a little box asking you whether you want to make a one-time contribution of the suggested amount, a one-time donation of another amount or a regular monthly donation. With optional comment. Clicking Donate then takes you to a PayPal Billing information page. There's a Drupal module (apparently) which uses PayPal's Mass Payment API[1] and a blog post introducing Mozilla's pilot[2]. Does anyone know how it works? We must have a Mozilla developer around here, or someone with a PayPal connection! Thanks in advance, Andrew [1] https://cms.paypal.com/ca/cgi-bin/?cmd=_render-contentcontent_ID=developer/howto_api_masspay [2] http://blog.mozilla.com/addons/2009/07/15/firefox-add-ons-contributions-pilot/ -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
Hi, While thats nice for app/widget developers, it sadly does not work in all cases. For example both two of my apps currently in Extras (cpumem-applet, Cellular Modem Control Buttons) do not have a menu, a dialog or app window of any sort to place Donate button :( So the website or HAM should include possibility to donate as well. Cheers, Tumi PS. Sorry for top posting, Modest sucks at quoting :/ - Original message - Inspired by TouchSearch, I've started to implement a standardized way in my widgets some weeks ago. This includes handling donations: The option window always has four buttons arranged 2x2: - Settings: brings you the to app-specific settings - Help: Opens the app help page, which is a maemo wiki page. (This has a number of advantages, like external hosting and editable by everyone) - About: The about dialogue - Donate: Opens a donation page in Paypal. Very easy to setup, just one hyperlink. I'm persuaded that this is the single most efficient way to do it. A developer can easily handle it himself and it is very quick to setup. (There is a generator available inside PayPal that allows you to setup the form and generates the necessary hyperlink) It's kept under complete control by the developer and no community effort is needed. Paypal is widely accepted, also allows direct payment by CreditCard and generally works very well (I've done many thousands of transactions over it). Try any of my Bluezwitch, Sleeper or Shutter widgets (or the soon-to-be-bugfixed recaller :-) to see it in action. Happy hacking -Tom 2010/4/15 Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org: On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:55, Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org wrote: Similarly, as Ovi takes off, it is interesting to think about how micro-payments for ones software could make one a bit of money (100 users at $1 each is a nice present); but whilst still having our software as open source. There've been suggestions in the past of a Donate button on each project's website, but I suggest we thrash out a scheme - and then implement - a consistent micro-donation system for maemo.org To kick the ball rolling on this again, since I think we can get quick wins. I've just noticed that addons.mozilla.org has exactly the kind of standardised donation form I was imagining. For example, see: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/469 Clicking Contribute opens a little box asking you whether you want to make a one-time contribution of the suggested amount, a one-time donation of another amount or a regular monthly donation. With optional comment. Clicking Donate then takes you to a PayPal Billing information page. There's a Drupal module (apparently) which uses PayPal's Mass Payment API[1] and a blog post introducing Mozilla's pilot[2]. Does anyone know how it works? We must have a Mozilla developer around here, or someone with a PayPal connection! Thanks in advance, Andrew [1] https://cms.paypal.com/ca/cgi-bin/?cmd=_render-contentcontent_ID=developer/howto_api_masspay [2] http://blog.mozilla.com/addons/2009/07/15/firefox-add-ons-contributions-pilot/ -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 16:50, Tuomo Tanskanen t...@tumi.fi wrote: While thats nice for app/widget developers, it sadly does not work in all cases. For example both two of my apps currently in Extras (cpumem-applet, Cellular Modem Control Buttons) do not have a menu, a dialog or app window of any sort to place Donate button :( So the website or HAM should include possibility to donate as well. Indeed. Similarly Catorise - I don't think people would appreciate me adding a shortcut somewhere in their apps menu which was Donate ;-) The same argument was used in the Mozilla Addons discussion as well: we can integrate donate into the addon, so why put it on the website? Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
You might also be interested in HeAboutDialog. It's in hildon-extras and provides a new about dialog. The dialog has the optional buttons Donate, Report bug and Visit website. For each of those buttons you can register an URL. Cheers! Conny On Thu, 2010-04-15 at 16:40 +0200, Thomas Wälti wrote: Inspired by TouchSearch, I've started to implement a standardized way in my widgets some weeks ago. This includes handling donations: The option window always has four buttons arranged 2x2: - Settings: brings you the to app-specific settings - Help: Opens the app help page, which is a maemo wiki page. (This has a number of advantages, like external hosting and editable by everyone) - About: The about dialogue - Donate: Opens a donation page in Paypal. Very easy to setup, just one hyperlink. I'm persuaded that this is the single most efficient way to do it. A developer can easily handle it himself and it is very quick to setup. (There is a generator available inside PayPal that allows you to setup the form and generates the necessary hyperlink) It's kept under complete control by the developer and no community effort is needed. Paypal is widely accepted, also allows direct payment by CreditCard and generally works very well (I've done many thousands of transactions over it). Try any of my Bluezwitch, Sleeper or Shutter widgets (or the soon-to-be-bugfixed recaller :-) to see it in action. Happy hacking -Tom 2010/4/15 Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org: On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:55, Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org wrote: Similarly, as Ovi takes off, it is interesting to think about how micro-payments for ones software could make one a bit of money (100 users at $1 each is a nice present); but whilst still having our software as open source. There've been suggestions in the past of a Donate button on each project's website, but I suggest we thrash out a scheme - and then implement - a consistent micro-donation system for maemo.org To kick the ball rolling on this again, since I think we can get quick wins. I've just noticed that addons.mozilla.org has exactly the kind of standardised donation form I was imagining. For example, see: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/469 Clicking Contribute opens a little box asking you whether you want to make a one-time contribution of the suggested amount, a one-time donation of another amount or a regular monthly donation. With optional comment. Clicking Donate then takes you to a PayPal Billing information page. There's a Drupal module (apparently) which uses PayPal's Mass Payment API[1] and a blog post introducing Mozilla's pilot[2]. Does anyone know how it works? We must have a Mozilla developer around here, or someone with a PayPal connection! Thanks in advance, Andrew [1] https://cms.paypal.com/ca/cgi-bin/?cmd=_render-contentcontent_ID=developer/howto_api_masspay [2] http://blog.mozilla.com/addons/2009/07/15/firefox-add-ons-contributions-pilot/ -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
I am now using HeAboutDialog as well... only issue is that it doesn't properly render in portrait mode :) On 15 April 2010 09:33, Cornelius Hald h...@icandy.de wrote: You might also be interested in HeAboutDialog. It's in hildon-extras and provides a new about dialog. The dialog has the optional buttons Donate, Report bug and Visit website. For each of those buttons you can register an URL. Cheers! Conny On Thu, 2010-04-15 at 16:40 +0200, Thomas Wälti wrote: Inspired by TouchSearch, I've started to implement a standardized way in my widgets some weeks ago. This includes handling donations: The option window always has four buttons arranged 2x2: - Settings: brings you the to app-specific settings - Help: Opens the app help page, which is a maemo wiki page. (This has a number of advantages, like external hosting and editable by everyone) - About: The about dialogue - Donate: Opens a donation page in Paypal. Very easy to setup, just one hyperlink. I'm persuaded that this is the single most efficient way to do it. A developer can easily handle it himself and it is very quick to setup. (There is a generator available inside PayPal that allows you to setup the form and generates the necessary hyperlink) It's kept under complete control by the developer and no community effort is needed. Paypal is widely accepted, also allows direct payment by CreditCard and generally works very well (I've done many thousands of transactions over it). Try any of my Bluezwitch, Sleeper or Shutter widgets (or the soon-to-be-bugfixed recaller :-) to see it in action. Happy hacking -Tom 2010/4/15 Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org: On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:55, Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org wrote: Similarly, as Ovi takes off, it is interesting to think about how micro-payments for ones software could make one a bit of money (100 users at $1 each is a nice present); but whilst still having our software as open source. There've been suggestions in the past of a Donate button on each project's website, but I suggest we thrash out a scheme - and then implement - a consistent micro-donation system for maemo.org To kick the ball rolling on this again, since I think we can get quick wins. I've just noticed that addons.mozilla.org has exactly the kind of standardised donation form I was imagining. For example, see: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/469 Clicking Contribute opens a little box asking you whether you want to make a one-time contribution of the suggested amount, a one-time donation of another amount or a regular monthly donation. With optional comment. Clicking Donate then takes you to a PayPal Billing information page. There's a Drupal module (apparently) which uses PayPal's Mass Payment API[1] and a blog post introducing Mozilla's pilot[2]. Does anyone know how it works? We must have a Mozilla developer around here, or someone with a PayPal connection! Thanks in advance, Andrew [1] https://cms.paypal.com/ca/cgi-bin/?cmd=_render-contentcontent_ID=developer/howto_api_masspay [2] http://blog.mozilla.com/addons/2009/07/15/firefox-add-ons-contributions-pilot/ -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- anidel ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
2010/4/15 Aniello Del Sorbo ani...@gmail.com: I am now using HeAboutDialog as well... only issue is that it doesn't properly render in portrait mode :) Patches are welcome :p I've also ported the HeAboutDialog to Python for use in Panucci, so if anybody wants to use HeAboutDialog from Panucci without having to wait for the bindings, you can grab the code from Panucci. Thomas ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
On 15 April 2010 17:23, Thomas Perl th.p...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/4/15 Aniello Del Sorbo ani...@gmail.com: I am now using HeAboutDialog as well... only issue is that it doesn't properly render in portrait mode :) Patches are welcome :p I've also ported the HeAboutDialog to Python for use in Panucci, so if anybody wants to use HeAboutDialog from Panucci without having to wait for the bindings, you can grab the code from Panucci. I know they are :) -- anidel ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
Thomas Perl wrote: 2010/4/15 Aniello Del Sorbo ani...@gmail.com: I am now using HeAboutDialog as well... only issue is that it doesn't properly render in portrait mode :) Patches are welcome :p No patches should be necessary since PR1.2: http://maemo.gitorious.org/hildon/gtk/blobs/master/gtk/gtkdialog.c#line680 Ciao, Alberto -- http://blog.mardy.it -- geek in un lingua international! ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
author vs packager/maintainter Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
Matan Ziv-Av wrote: For example, looking at this page: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/vim/ I see that you (together with Marius Gedminas) wrote this marvelous text editor, which in my estimation took thousands of work hours, so I'll happily donate to you. Does this sound fair? Good point. And it is not only about donations. It is about giving proper credit. And also about accountability - similar issue is curently discussed in Maemo extras repository package uploader/maintainer verification? There should be a way to specify and see original authors (upstream project) and Maemo maintainter/packager. I have same problem with ScummVM. I don't like being mentioned as 'Author'. Previously I had the homepage link pointing to my page too (with maemo specific help) but later changed it to www.scummvm.org to make it clear I am not the author. And BTW at that time it was possible to tag wiki page with downloads project name and the link to such page was visible in downloads. I used it for having extra link to maemo specific help but this feature went away with midgard to mediawiki wiki move. Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
Andrew Flegg wrote: Do you know of any global-micropayment systems which have a simple API? I don't know about the API, but maybe one can have a look at Google Checkout. It also supports donations: https://checkout.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=enanswer=105654 Ciao, Alberto -- http://www.mardy.it - geek in un lingua international! ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
BACKGROUND ~~ A number of articles recently have talked about Ovi Store as the only real app store for Maemo; massively overlooking http://maemo.org/downloads/ Similarly, as Ovi takes off, it is interesting to think about how micro-payments for ones software could make one a bit of money (100 users at $1 each is a nice present); but whilst still having our software as open source. There've been suggestions in the past of a Donate button on each project's website, but I suggest we thrash out a scheme - and then implement - a consistent micro-donation system for maemo.org REQUIREMENTS * User can make quick donations to apps they like. * There is a suggested amount, set by the author, to indicate that even small donations are appreciated. * The button is in a consistent and logical location, with the easiest place to put it on maemo.org/downloads/ and probably also maemo.org/packages/. * Developers can receive donations direct from the users, without maemo.org taking a cut. SPECIFICATION ~ Two new debian/control fields would be introduced: XB-Maemo-Suggested-Donation - amount, in dollars (or euros) which would be shown on the button. If not present, no donations are expected. XB-Maemo-Donation-Recipient - email address to whom user will be donating. Downloads and Packages would be updated[1] to show a button at the bottom right of the package description: Donate $2 (showing the amount from Maemo-Suggested-Donation) ...with a small what's this? link underneath linking to a help page explaining that it's entirely voluntary, maemo.org takes no cut and is a direct donation, using PayPal, between you and the maintainer. Clicking the button will use the PayPal API[2] to redirect the user to a $PACKAGE donation page with the amount prefilled and the recipient fixed. NEXT STEPS ~~ There are Brainstorm and Talk threads on this issue; so the next-steps, as I see it are: * Link up discussions from elseweb. * Find a stakeholder (happy for it to be me) * Come to a consensus on the technical implementation, and get signed off by X-Fade. * Develop the changes and submit to maemo2midgard. * Test, deploy use. Perhaps this is an opportunity to use the project management approach outlined by Stskeeps[3]? Comments, as ever, very welcome. Cheers, Andrew [1] https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=maemo2midgard [2] https://cms.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/?cmd=_render-contentcontent_ID=developer/e_howto_html_donation_buttons [3] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41092 -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
Yes, I would definitely be in favour of a centralised donation system. However, instead of the suggested amount set by the author, why not have a general minimum amount (say like €1) accepted per app? Then the the user who wants to donate, would select the amount and the app(s). Thanks, Sascha On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 13:55, Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org wrote: BACKGROUND ~~ A number of articles recently have talked about Ovi Store as the only real app store for Maemo; massively overlooking http://maemo.org/downloads/ Similarly, as Ovi takes off, it is interesting to think about how micro-payments for ones software could make one a bit of money (100 users at $1 each is a nice present); but whilst still having our software as open source. There've been suggestions in the past of a Donate button on each project's website, but I suggest we thrash out a scheme - and then implement - a consistent micro-donation system for maemo.org REQUIREMENTS * User can make quick donations to apps they like. * There is a suggested amount, set by the author, to indicate that even small donations are appreciated. * The button is in a consistent and logical location, with the easiest place to put it on maemo.org/downloads/ and probably also maemo.org/packages/. * Developers can receive donations direct from the users, without maemo.org taking a cut. SPECIFICATION ~ Two new debian/control fields would be introduced: XB-Maemo-Suggested-Donation - amount, in dollars (or euros) which would be shown on the button. If not present, no donations are expected. XB-Maemo-Donation-Recipient - email address to whom user will be donating. Downloads and Packages would be updated[1] to show a button at the bottom right of the package description: Donate $2 (showing the amount from Maemo-Suggested-Donation) ...with a small what's this? link underneath linking to a help page explaining that it's entirely voluntary, maemo.org takes no cut and is a direct donation, using PayPal, between you and the maintainer. Clicking the button will use the PayPal API[2] to redirect the user to a $PACKAGE donation page with the amount prefilled and the recipient fixed. NEXT STEPS ~~ There are Brainstorm and Talk threads on this issue; so the next-steps, as I see it are: * Link up discussions from elseweb. * Find a stakeholder (happy for it to be me) * Come to a consensus on the technical implementation, and get signed off by X-Fade. * Develop the changes and submit to maemo2midgard. * Test, deploy use. Perhaps this is an opportunity to use the project management approach outlined by Stskeeps[3]? Comments, as ever, very welcome. Cheers, Andrew [1] https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=maemo2midgard [2] https://cms.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/?cmd=_render-contentcontent_ID=developer/e_howto_html_donation_buttons [3] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41092 -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
Hey, On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Sascha Mäkelä sascha.mak...@gmail.comwrote: Yes, I would definitely be in favour of a centralised donation system. However, instead of the suggested amount set by the author, why not have a general minimum amount (say like €1) accepted per app? Then the the user who wants to donate, would select the amount and the app(s). Seems a really good plan, I'm with Sascha here, we can agree in a minimum and eliminate one of the extra fields. Best regards, -- Valério Valério http://www.valeriovalerio.org Thanks, Sascha On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 13:55, Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org wrote: BACKGROUND ~~ A number of articles recently have talked about Ovi Store as the only real app store for Maemo; massively overlooking http://maemo.org/downloads/ Similarly, as Ovi takes off, it is interesting to think about how micro-payments for ones software could make one a bit of money (100 users at $1 each is a nice present); but whilst still having our software as open source. There've been suggestions in the past of a Donate button on each project's website, but I suggest we thrash out a scheme - and then implement - a consistent micro-donation system for maemo.org REQUIREMENTS * User can make quick donations to apps they like. * There is a suggested amount, set by the author, to indicate that even small donations are appreciated. * The button is in a consistent and logical location, with the easiest place to put it on maemo.org/downloads/ and probably also maemo.org/packages/. * Developers can receive donations direct from the users, without maemo.org taking a cut. SPECIFICATION ~ Two new debian/control fields would be introduced: XB-Maemo-Suggested-Donation - amount, in dollars (or euros) which would be shown on the button. If not present, no donations are expected. XB-Maemo-Donation-Recipient - email address to whom user will be donating. Downloads and Packages would be updated[1] to show a button at the bottom right of the package description: Donate $2 (showing the amount from Maemo-Suggested-Donation) ...with a small what's this? link underneath linking to a help page explaining that it's entirely voluntary, maemo.org takes no cut and is a direct donation, using PayPal, between you and the maintainer. Clicking the button will use the PayPal API[2] to redirect the user to a $PACKAGE donation page with the amount prefilled and the recipient fixed. NEXT STEPS ~~ There are Brainstorm and Talk threads on this issue; so the next-steps, as I see it are: * Link up discussions from elseweb. * Find a stakeholder (happy for it to be me) * Come to a consensus on the technical implementation, and get signed off by X-Fade. * Develop the changes and submit to maemo2midgard. * Test, deploy use. Perhaps this is an opportunity to use the project management approach outlined by Stskeeps[3]? Comments, as ever, very welcome. Cheers, Andrew [1] https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=maemo2midgard [2] https://cms.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/?cmd=_render-contentcontent_ID=developer/e_howto_html_donation_buttons [3] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41092 -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
Hi, it's a nice idea, but... why user has do go to maemo.org website to donate? Shouldn't we integrate this even in Application Manager and/or in the About dialog of every application? Having to pass from a website is a non-sense for me, just like the actual Ovi Store :P I wish that (for example) user would be able to download (and pay if they're not free) Ovi applications directly from Application manager. My two cents. -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
Hey, I would love any way, as everything is better than the situation now. I tried to discuss it in 2008 http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:donation_on_download_page I have a donation button on the garage home page of my product, but this has very low success. A donation button in Appmanager would be great. Of cause, every application could ask for donation during install, but I would love to show, that donations are the standard way of supporting applications in maemo.org/downloads:-) Detlef Am Freitag, den 22.01.2010, 12:31 + schrieb Valerio Valerio: Hey, On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Sascha Mäkelä sascha.mak...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I would definitely be in favour of a centralised donation system. However, instead of the suggested amount set by the author, why not have a general minimum amount (say like €1) accepted per app? Then the the user who wants to donate, would select the amount and the app(s). Seems a really good plan, I'm with Sascha here, we can agree in a minimum and eliminate one of the extra fields. Best regards, -- Valério Valério http://www.valeriovalerio.org Thanks, Sascha On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 13:55, Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org wrote: BACKGROUND ~~ A number of articles recently have talked about Ovi Store as the only real app store for Maemo; massively overlooking http://maemo.org/downloads/ Similarly, as Ovi takes off, it is interesting to think about how micro-payments for ones software could make one a bit of money (100 users at $1 each is a nice present); but whilst still having our software as open source. There've been suggestions in the past of a Donate button on each project's website, but I suggest we thrash out a scheme - and then implement - a consistent micro-donation system for maemo.org REQUIREMENTS * User can make quick donations to apps they like. * There is a suggested amount, set by the author, to indicate that even small donations are appreciated. * The button is in a consistent and logical location, with the easiest place to put it on maemo.org/downloads/ and probably also maemo.org/packages/. * Developers can receive donations direct from the users, without maemo.org taking a cut. SPECIFICATION ~ Two new debian/control fields would be introduced: XB-Maemo-Suggested-Donation - amount, in dollars (or euros) which would be shown on the button. If not present, no donations are expected. XB-Maemo-Donation-Recipient - email address to whom user will be donating. Downloads and Packages would be updated[1] to show a button at the bottom right of the package description: Donate $2 (showing the amount from Maemo-Suggested-Donation) ...with a small what's this? link underneath linking to a help page explaining that it's entirely voluntary, maemo.org takes no cut and is a direct donation, using PayPal, between you and the maintainer. Clicking the button will use the PayPal API[2] to redirect the user to a $PACKAGE donation page with the amount prefilled and the recipient fixed. NEXT STEPS ~~ There are Brainstorm and Talk threads on this issue; so the next-steps, as I see it are: * Link up discussions from elseweb. * Find a stakeholder (happy for it to be me) * Come to a consensus on the technical implementation, and get signed off by X-Fade. * Develop the changes and submit to maemo2midgard. * Test, deploy use. Perhaps this is an opportunity to use the project management approach outlined by Stskeeps[3]? Comments, as ever, very welcome. Cheers, Andrew [1] https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=maemo2midgard [2] https://cms.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/?cmd=_render-contentcontent_ID=developer/e_howto_html_donation_buttons [3] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41092 -- Andrew Flegg --
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:31, Valerio Valerio vdv...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Sascha Mäkelä sascha.mak...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I would definitely be in favour of a centralised donation system. However, instead of the suggested amount set by the author, why not have a general minimum amount (say like €1) accepted per app? Then the the user who wants to donate, would select the amount and the app(s). Seems a really good plan, I'm with Sascha here, we can agree in a minimum and eliminate one of the extra fields. What if, as an author, I think users who want to donate should donate about $1 for Catorise, and $2 for Hermes? Given there's no processing overhead for maemo.org, why not let application authors set whatever they want? (even $0.10?) By having an amount suggested, it'll feel more like an app store - and I *think* users who don't have to decide how much to donate (is such a low amount derisory?) will donate, on average, more. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:35, Andrea Grandi a.gra...@gmail.com wrote: it's a nice idea, but... why user has do go to maemo.org website to donate? Shouldn't we integrate this even in Application Manager and/or in the About dialog of every application? App Manager has a long lead time to get to users. Within every application requires more work on the part of the developer ;-) Having to pass from a website is a non-sense for me, just like the actual Ovi Store :P I wish that (for example) user would be able to download (and pay if they're not free) Ovi applications directly from Application manager. I agree; however having it on the web makes it more easy; and typing a credit card number paypal.com is easier on my desktop :-) Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
Hi, 2010/1/22 Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org: By having an amount suggested, it'll feel more like an app store - and I *think* users who don't have to decide how much to donate (is such a low amount derisory?) will donate, on average, more. yes, that is good. I'd like to find, for example, 1€ default and being able to change it to more or less. -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:37, Matan Ziv-Av ma...@svgalib.org wrote: One immediate issue comes to mind - the actual connection of the donation seeker to the project needs to be prominently displayed, while now it can't be known. Most of the time, I'm expecting there to be a one-to-one relationship between the donation seeker and the primary project author/maintainer. This is a way of trying to monetise, slightly, maemo.org so that everyone who has an idea can still go the open source route with a possibility of making just a tiny bit of money. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/vim/ I see that you (together with Marius Gedminas) wrote this marvelous text editor, which in my estimation took thousands of work hours, so I'll happily donate to you. Does this sound fair? If we asked for a $1 donation, then yes - I think that's fair. Repackaging vim isn't free, after all, and it's an optional donation. Obviously it would be stupid of us to ask for a donation of $20 because: a) we didn't write vim and there'd be threads all over the place about it; b) no-one would donate Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010, Andrew Flegg wrote: On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:37, Matan Ziv-Av ma...@svgalib.org wrote: One immediate issue comes to mind - the actual connection of the donation seeker to the project needs to be prominently displayed, while now it can't be known. Most of the time, I'm expecting there to be a one-to-one relationship between the donation seeker and the primary project author/maintainer. This is a way of trying to monetise, slightly, maemo.org so that everyone who has an idea can still go the open source route with a possibility of making just a tiny bit of money. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/vim/ I see that you (together with Marius Gedminas) wrote this marvelous text editor, which in my estimation took thousands of work hours, so I'll happily donate to you. Does this sound fair? If we asked for a $1 donation, then yes - I think that's fair. Repackaging vim isn't free, after all, and it's an optional donation. Obviously it would be stupid of us to ask for a donation of $20 because: a) we didn't write vim and there'd be threads all over the place about it; b) no-one would donate Do you not think that if you ask for a donation (be it 1$ or 100$) for this work, it should be clear what this work is? Currently the page claims that you wrote vim. If you add a donation button to that, it becomes fraud. -- Matan Ziv-Av. ma...@svgalib.org ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010, ds wrote: Hey, I would love any way, as everything is better than the situation now. I tried to discuss it in 2008 http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:donation_on_download_page I have a donation button on the garage home page of my product, but this has very low success. A donation button in Appmanager would be great. Of cause, every application could ask for donation during install, but I would love to show, that donations are the standard way of supporting applications in maemo.org/downloads:-) I thought maemo was supposed to be a free software community. The standard way of supporting applications should be patches. -- Matan Ziv-Av. ma...@svgalib.org ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
I thought maemo was supposed to be a free software community. The standard way of supporting applications should be patches. I do not think so, we have end users who might want to support. and I never received a patch to vncviewer:-) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:58, Matan Ziv-Av ma...@svgalib.org wrote: Do you not think that if you ask for a donation (be it 1$ or 100$) for this work, it should be clear what this work is? Currently the page claims that you wrote vim. If you add a donation button to that, it becomes fraud. Then moan at me if I ask for a donation for vim :-p However, if you're suggesting that there's an additional description field - or there's a convention of justifying a donation in the Description field - I'll happily include: This port is possible because of the effort the authors have put into MUD, an automated system for packaging upstream tarballs as Maemo packages. This work is not only of benefit to a port of vim, but also is used to build the packages for the GPE PIM suite, the Vala programming language and several other packages in regular use by many Maemo users. In addition, there are a series of small tweaks to vim itself to better suit the small screen, keyboard and onboard storage. ...but that seems quite long, albeit very transparent. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
A donation is voluntary. No one should feel obligated to do it and it's not a requirement for using the app. Yet, if someone wants to show appreciation to the developer, no matter if it's new app, a port or just mod, with a monetary donation, it shouldn't be too difficult for him/her to do it. Any dev who feels that this goes against his principles, could always add a Please do not donate for this. ;-) On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 15:01, Matan Ziv-Av ma...@svgalib.org wrote: On Fri, 22 Jan 2010, ds wrote: Hey, I would love any way, as everything is better than the situation now. I tried to discuss it in 2008 http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:donation_on_download_page I have a donation button on the garage home page of my product, but this has very low success. A donation button in Appmanager would be great. Of cause, every application could ask for donation during install, but I would love to show, that donations are the standard way of supporting applications in maemo.org/downloads:-) I thought maemo was supposed to be a free software community. The standard way of supporting applications should be patches. -- Matan Ziv-Av. ma...@svgalib.org ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
O Ven, 22-01-2010 ás 15:01 +0200, Matan Ziv-Av escribiu: I thought maemo was supposed to be a free software community. The standard way of supporting applications should be patches. Indeed. -- Xabier Rodríguez Calvar Computer Engineer IGALIA http://www.igalia.com signature.asc Description: Esta é unha parte de mensaxe asinada dixitalmente ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 13:01, Matan Ziv-Av ma...@svgalib.org wrote: I thought maemo was supposed to be a free software community. The standard way of supporting applications should be patches. And testing, documentation, bug triaging, icon design, user support, ... However, you're now competing against the lure of a relatively closed-source, fixed-price, have-to-pay app store. Where do you want new development to go? I posit that a high-profile donation system WILL be useful in keeping apps open source and surely that's best for a free software community? Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
Dnia piątek, 22 stycznia 2010 o 13:35:42 Andrea Grandi napisał(a): it's a nice idea, but... why user has do go to maemo.org website to donate? Shouldn't we integrate this even in Application Manager and/or in the About dialog of every application? Why not adding big requester on each start of application with big button Donate and 40s wait to make user really see it? I use additional software on all my devices. It was like that on Zaurus machines, cellphones, smartphones, maemo tablets and is now on N900. When I want somehow to show author that I like his app I am sending suggestions how to make it better (often with patches), suggest installing it for other users etc. From time to time I donate money. But having Donate button in each and each Maemo app looks strange for me. If author (not packager, but author) wants money for his application then let we talk with nokia to make Ovi store more open for small developers so app can be sold that way for 1-5€ maybe? It works for iPhone, Android and Symbian so why does not have to work for Maemo? Having to pass from a website is a non-sense for me, just like the actual Ovi Store :P Yep - why duplicate it? And how fast nokia would take steps to kill it? Regards, -- JID: h...@jabber.org Website: http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/marcinjuszkiewicz ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 13:27, Marcin Juszkiewicz mar...@juszkiewicz.com.pl wrote: [snip] But having Donate button in each and each Maemo app looks strange for me. If author (not packager, but author) wants money for his application then let we talk with nokia to make Ovi store more open for small developers so app can be sold that way for 1-5€ maybe? And if I want it to be open source, and not HAVE to have my users pay? Having to pass from a website is a non-sense for me, just like the actual Ovi Store :P Yep - why duplicate it? And how fast nokia would take steps to kill it? You think Nokia would block this on maemo.org? I strongly doubt it, TBH. For two reasons: 1) Quim's previously participated in a number of threads about rewarding open source development when the author wants a donation. 2) It would totally destroy the separation Nokia has been working on cultivating with maemo.org. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
Dnia piątek, 22 stycznia 2010 o 14:32:34 Andrew Flegg napisał(a): On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 13:27, Marcin Juszkiewicz mar...@juszkiewicz.com.pl wrote: [snip] But having Donate button in each and each Maemo app looks strange for me. If author (not packager, but author) wants money for his application then let we talk with nokia to make Ovi store more open for small developers so app can be sold that way for 1-5€ maybe? And if I want it to be open source, and not HAVE to have my users pay? Give them a choice? There are apps in AppStore which are available in basically same version for free and for few euros so user can choose. Regards, -- JID: h...@jabber.org Website: http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/marcinjuszkiewicz ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 13:41, Marcin Juszkiewicz mar...@juszkiewicz.com.pl wrote: Give them a choice? There are apps in AppStore which are available in basically same version for free and for few euros so user can choose. Maintaining the same version in two different places, with different meta-data seems like a PITA. The user'd have to buy, but not install, the app if they then wanted to donate post-install. And note I'm NOT suggesting we implement a payment system on maemo.org; just a way of linking to a PayPal page on behalf of the developer, and that this would provide benefits to the developer and maemo.org overall. *Every* single review of the N900 - if it mentions maemo.org at all - views it as a niche place for apps. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
From various on-line dictionaries: Donate (Verb) To present as a gift to a fund or cause; contribute. to present as a gift, grant, or contribution; make a donation of, as to a fund or cause to give; to contribute; to grant; to bestow [INTRANSITIVE/TRANSITIVE] to give something such as money or goods to an organization, especially to a school, hospital, political party, or charity to bestow as a gift, especially for a worthy cause I especially like the last definition. A new app for Maemo 5, is certainly worthy... ;-) Cheers, Sascha On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 15:41, Marcin Juszkiewicz mar...@juszkiewicz.com.pl wrote: Dnia piątek, 22 stycznia 2010 o 14:32:34 Andrew Flegg napisał(a): On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 13:27, Marcin Juszkiewicz mar...@juszkiewicz.com.pl wrote: [snip] But having Donate button in each and each Maemo app looks strange for me. If author (not packager, but author) wants money for his application then let we talk with nokia to make Ovi store more open for small developers so app can be sold that way for 1-5€ maybe? And if I want it to be open source, and not HAVE to have my users pay? Give them a choice? There are apps in AppStore which are available in basically same version for free and for few euros so user can choose. Regards, -- JID: ...@jabber.org Website: http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/marcinjuszkiewicz ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
Interesting question. I was asked by a friend at Red Hat if the value proposition of the N900 was that it was Linux based or Open Source. In his mind there was a very important distinction. Linux based means a more reliable OS. Open Source means access to the source code. Neither of which necessarily mean 'free software'. As I read the maemo.org website, I see references to 'open source' on the front page, but not Linux nor 'free software'. Personally, I'm more comfortable with being part of an 'open source' community than a free software community. I believe that for the N900 to successfully compete with the iPhone and Android phones, there needs to be a way of financially rewarding open source developers for the N900. It seems like Andrew has come up with a suggestion that addresses this very well and I would love to see it implemented. That said, there are lots of issues that such a system would run into, as the N900 is distributed in many different countries with many different payment systems and for that matter, many different tax laws. My gut feeling is that connecting to existing micropayment systems, particularly, perhaps some related to the gaming industry, might be a good way of doing this. I look forward to how this discussion evolves. Aldon -Original Message- snip I thought maemo was supposed to be a free software community. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
Hi, 2010/1/22 Matan Ziv-Av ma...@svgalib.org: I thought maemo was supposed to be a free software community. The standard way of supporting applications should be patches. not all users are developers and patches are not the only things that developers want. -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 13:35, Aldon Hynes aldon.hy...@orient-lodge.com wrote: That said, there are lots of issues that such a system would run into, as the N900 is distributed in many different countries with many different payment systems and for that matter, many different tax laws. My gut feeling is that connecting to existing micropayment systems, particularly, perhaps some related to the gaming industry, might be a good way of doing this. Do you know of any global-micropayment systems which have a simple API? The only one I'm really aware of is PayPal (which is slightly more macro- than proper micropayments). Having a system which allows you to redirect to a page to send money to this email address means that maemo.org is entirely out-of-the-loop. Meaning, at least, the community as a whole maemo.org don't have to worry about the tax/legal implications (IMHO). Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
donate? Shouldn't we integrate this even in Application Manager and/or in the About dialog of every application? Having to pass from a website is a non-sense for me, just like the actual Ovi Store :P i agree about the ovi store, but it isn't the same. You don't show support by donating before using the program. The package manager is for managing packages, not for donation or ranking. If you want a donation button, add it on your about dialog or the maemo.org/download page. But like it's a free choice for the user to donate, patch, simple thanks the writer or do nothing, it's also free for the writer to prefer one of these. So why adding it to all packages? Jeroen ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
It should also be a well known and trusted system. Unfortunately, the only one I know is PayPal, which is not that great for micro-payment. But it's better than nothing and many users already have a PayPal account, so it's fairly fast to use. On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 15:58, Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org wrote: On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 13:35, Aldon Hynes aldon.hy...@orient-lodge.com wrote: That said, there are lots of issues that such a system would run into, as the N900 is distributed in many different countries with many different payment systems and for that matter, many different tax laws. My gut feeling is that connecting to existing micropayment systems, particularly, perhaps some related to the gaming industry, might be a good way of doing this. Do you know of any global-micropayment systems which have a simple API? The only one I'm really aware of is PayPal (which is slightly more macro- than proper micropayments). Having a system which allows you to redirect to a page to send money to this email address means that maemo.org is entirely out-of-the-loop. Meaning, at least, the community as a whole maemo.org don't have to worry about the tax/legal implications (IMHO). Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
Hi, 2010/1/22 Jeroen Schelhaas ma...@jeroenschelhaas.eu: If you want a donation button, add it on your about dialog or the maemo.org/download page. But like it's a free choice for the user to donate, patch, simple thanks the writer or do nothing, it's also free for the writer to prefer one of these. So why adding it to all packages? my suggestion at this point is: someone write a working piece of code (C, C++, Python) that developers can reuse to integrate a Donate button in their About dialogs. The user will be able to customize it with his PayPal account, the default amount, ecc... what do you think about? -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 14:04, Andrea Grandi a.gra...@gmail.com wrote: my suggestion at this point is: someone write a working piece of code (C, C++, Python) that developers can reuse to integrate a Donate button in their About dialogs. The user will be able to customize it with his PayPal account, the default amount, ecc... what do you think about? And what about packages which don't *have* an About box, or even a UI? e.g. plugins for gstreamer Telepathy; Catorise etc.? I'd also worry about visibility - remember this isn't SOLELY about getting some small extra cash to developers, but also giving the impression that maemo.org/downloads/ is playing with the big boys. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
Hi, 2010/1/22 Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org: On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 14:04, Andrea Grandi a.gra...@gmail.com wrote: my suggestion at this point is: someone write a working piece of code (C, C++, Python) that developers can reuse to integrate a Donate button in their About dialogs. The user will be able to customize it with his PayPal account, the default amount, ecc... what do you think about? And what about packages which don't *have* an About box, or even a UI? e.g. plugins for gstreamer Telepathy; Catorise etc.? I'd also worry about visibility - remember this isn't SOLELY about getting some small extra cash to developers, but also giving the impression that maemo.org/downloads/ is playing with the big boys. why no including both things? maemo.org/download button and About--Donate if the application has a gui. It would make sense for me -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
Am Freitag, den 22.01.2010, 15:01 +0100 schrieb Jeroen Schelhaas: If you want a donation button, add it on your about dialog or the maemo.org/download page. maemo.org/download would be quite fine, but it is not possible at the moment. This was my first suggestion 15 month ago:-) Detlef ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
On Friday 22 January 2010 14:04:59 Andrea Grandi wrote: my suggestion at this point is: someone write a working piece of code (C, C++, Python) that developers can reuse to integrate a Donate button in their About dialogs. The user will be able to customize it with his PayPal account, the default amount, ecc... what do you think about? I think that is a good idea -- it could go in the hildon-extras library. But it is orthogonal to Andrew's suggestion. Authors can provide a donate button in their About dialog with or without also having a donation option on the downloads page. Graham ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Donate $x button on Packages and/or Downloads
Hi Andrea Grandi wrote: 2010/1/22 Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org: And what about packages which don't *have* an About box, or even a UI? e.g. plugins for gstreamer Telepathy; Catorise etc.? I agree. What if someone writes a wonderful media framework for Maemo and someone else a little GUI frontend. The latter is user visible (user section), the first is not but the latter gets all the donations. why no including both things? maemo.org/download button and About--Donate if the application has a gui. It would make sense for me I think we need some integrated feedback application for: * rating packages * sending bug reports and feature request which automatically include the installed version number and the dependencies * integration with crash-reporter * showing a detailed description (incl. the dependencies) * giving quick access (opens a browser window) to - a donation button (paypal link) - screenshots or the maemo.org/downloads page - the project webpage most of the information is already in the package lists or on maemo.org. maybe those features could be simply added to the existing AppWatch or PackageRate?. Adding the donation box to the details window in Application manager would be an alternative, but IMHO the design of the Application manager is not well suited for that: you would first click uninstall to donate for an installed app!? (I prefer synaptic/aptitude/dselect style programs anyway...) just my 2¢, -- Thomas Tanner -- email: tan...@gmx.de GnuPG: 1024/5924D4DD ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
