Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented
My dear friend, I welcome your comments on multitouch howto. I work in my spare time with one multitouch group in Japan, another in UK, one again in Sweden, not to say New York, MIT , UoT. So multitouch in maemo works as it works. I can use 2 fingers to move web page horizontally ( it works for semantic pages). And once again. It works without stylus with 2 fingers only. Just have a try not guess. This is just the reason for a subject line in my thread. maemo by Nokia was very very close to multitouch interfacing and still is. I was really surprised to hear , some maemo developers try to close the multitouch thread not to let us sing one day We are the Champions. Multitouch is exactly about maemo development. Darius --- On Wed, 3/9/08, gary liquid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: gary liquid [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, 3 September, 2008, 4:16 PM You obviously do not realise how touchscreens work. When you press in 2 locations the click point will be located at the centre of gravity between those points. This is why if you accidentally catch your screen with your wrist whilst operating with the stylus the pointer will shoot off in a random direction. do some reading up, and also - the touchpad on the iphone etc is a completely different technology. Take the stylus you use for touching your nokia and use it on the iphone screen. I have to wonder though, if you are so impressed with their technology why you haven't you moved to using their devices fulltime? gary (lcuk on #maemo) I am always impressed with intelligent high-tech gizmos, solutions, technologies. Making maemo multitouch is still an open choice. patent claims make set no special restrictions to development of other multitouch solutions - interfaces. We are the leaders. Aren't we ? Visit my multitouch Microsoft surface computing Semantic Magazine to learn more about other multitouch technologies. Darius On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Sorry Simon, but it works as semi-multitouch. I have discovered this feature opening my Semantic WWW Magazines in maemo. With 2 fingers pressed I can move Welcome page horizontally, like in iPod Touch. Darius --- On Tue, 2/9/08, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Tuesday, 2 September, 2008, 3:49 PM Darius Jack ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [...] N 770 ( first in the world multitouch Internet tablet). N 770 was really multitouch gizmo (just try to move web page with 2 fingers). You're wrong here: what you're seeing when pressing multiple fingers on the touchscreen is some kind of average position. Typically the mousepointer ends up in the middle between the two fingers pressing the screen, just try it in the drawing application. The scrolling in the webbrowser just made you believe that it would be doing something sensible, it really does not. Bye, Simon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://simon.budig.de/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kernelconcepts.de/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented
2 finger scrolling was meant as blob recognition feature. Darius --- On Wed, 3/9/08, Eric Warnke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Eric Warnke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, 3 September, 2008, 3:38 PM 2 finger scrolling is not a feature unique to multi-touch. It's been available for older track pads for years. -Eric On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 6:01 AM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Simon, but it works as semi-multitouch. I have discovered this feature opening my Semantic WWW Magazines in maemo. With 2 fingers pressed I can move Welcome page horizontally, like in iPod Touch. Darius --- On Tue, 2/9/08, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Tuesday, 2 September, 2008, 3:49 PM Darius Jack ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [...] N 770 ( first in the world multitouch Internet tablet). N 770 was really multitouch gizmo (just try to move web page with 2 fingers). You're wrong here: what you're seeing when pressing multiple fingers on the touchscreen is some kind of average position. Typically the mousepointer ends up in the middle between the two fingers pressing the screen, just try it in the drawing application. The scrolling in the webbrowser just made you believe that it would be doing something sensible, it really does not. Bye, Simon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://simon.budig.de/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kernelconcepts.de/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented
Hi, you said: There is no native multi touch on these devices. Who said otherwise ? You can call my experience with maemo multitouch side-effect. Ok. But it works for me. I use both iPod Touch and maemo. It works how it works but works (side-effect or alike) ;) you asked have you ever actually done any coding for maemo Tried hard to loggin into maemo, 3 times failed and gave up. Logging procedure problems. __ There is no such facility like Think-Tank at Nokia, so no chance to develop and discuss multitouch for Nokia/maemo. Moreover, one or more guys from this dev list claimed that discussing multitouch for Nokia maemo was spam. Wish you success anyway. Darius --- On Thu, 4/9/08, gary liquid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: gary liquid [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, 4 September, 2008, 12:17 PM Darius, You say you work with lots of groups, have you ever actually done any coding for maemo and obtained actual coordinates of the distinct multitouch hotspots as you touch it? I would love to see examples of your code because multitouch would be a nice feature to have. You will find I am actively involved in making the most out of these nokia devices and have investigated a great number of options and directions for the input and output side of these devices and multitouch is something I have put quite a bit of brainpower towards. The effect you see when sideways scrolling is exactly what I specified in my earlier mail, but saying it is multitouch is flat out wrong, it is simply the sideeffect of changing the centre of gravity. With a true multitouch surface the running application obtains multiple distinct hotspots, that is each finger produces its own hotspot at a specific location, the surface can track multiple hotspots. The event subsystem must be geared to handle these hotspots and the applications themselves need to know what to do with them. The multi touch effect you are seeing is the averaging of your distinct fingertips into a single cursor location. Applications for maemo expect and obtain a single cursor location and know nothing about multiple hotspots (the touchscreen simulates events to move a single virtual mouse pointer) There is no native multi touch on these devices. That does not say that it is impossible to obtain lower resolution multiple contact points and an expanding/contracting zone from this averaged data - it is something I have actively investigated and tested in code on the device (thank you x-fade, i've not forgotten). Gary On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: My dear friend, I welcome your comments on multitouch howto. I work in my spare time with one multitouch group in Japan, another in UK, one again in Sweden, not to say New York, MIT , UoT. So multitouch in maemo works as it works. I can use 2 fingers to move web page horizontally ( it works for semantic pages). And once again. It works without stylus with 2 fingers only. Just have a try not guess. This is just the reason for a subject line in my thread. maemo by Nokia was very very close to multitouch interfacing and still is. I was really surprised to hear , some maemo developers try to close the multitouch thread not to let us sing one day We are the Champions. Multitouch is exactly about maemo development. Darius --- On Wed, 3/9/08, gary liquid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: gary liquid [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, 3 September, 2008, 4:16 PM You obviously do not realise how touchscreens work. When you press in 2 locations the click point will be located at the centre of gravity between those points. This is why if you accidentally catch your screen with your wrist whilst operating with the stylus the pointer will shoot off in a random direction. do some reading up, and also - the touchpad on the iphone etc is a completely different technology. Take the stylus you use for touching your nokia and use it on the iphone screen. I have to wonder though, if you are so impressed with their technology why you haven't you moved to using their devices fulltime? gary (lcuk on #maemo) I am always impressed with intelligent high-tech gizmos, solutions, technologies. Making maemo multitouch is still an open choice. patent claims make set no special restrictions to development of other multitouch solutions - interfaces. We are the leaders. Aren't we
Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented
On Wed, 3 Sep 2008, Darius Jack wrote: COULD YOU STOP SPAMMING THIS LIST ? THANKS ! Instead of just arguing (which is quite annoying BTW), why dont you write some code or take your comments offlist? This tirade serves no purpose. -- A ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented
Don't care about him. He's a known troll. Someone discovered he's well known all over various mailing lists (particularly Poland). Look at: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2008-June/033850.html and following replies... -- Aniello On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 3:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 3 Sep 2008, Darius Jack wrote: COULD YOU STOP SPAMMING THIS LIST ? THANKS ! Instead of just arguing (which is quite annoying BTW), why dont you write some code or take your comments offlist? This tirade serves no purpose. -- A ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- anidel ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented
I am 99.99% certain the internet tablets use resistive touch screens, which means this underlying technology cannot do multitouch. Using more than one contact point on these screens will change a reading, but it won't get the result you want. It will be an intermediate reading between the multiple contact points. Here is a manual from atmel which seems to do a decent job of explaining how a resistive touch screen works: http://www.atmel.com/dyn/resources/prod_documents/doc8091.pdf My assumption also is that this is a 4 wire touch screen, not a 5 wire touch screen, since we can get pressure readings and 5 wire touch screens don't do pressure readings. For comparison, this is a relatively friendly guide on how one kind of capacitive touch screen works: http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/iphone2.htm It may not be the only kind of capacitive touch screen. You might reasonably ask why Nokia chose to use a cheaper and less capable technology (digikey.com lists relative pricing and this is how I know it is cheaper.) My suspicion, other than cost, is that they already knew how to use resistive touch screens and didn't see a reason for adding additional technical or perhaps legal risk. Or maybe since it's so cold in Finland nobody takes off their gloves and everybody uses a stylus instead, which you aren't supposed to be able to do with a capacitive touchscreen (see above link.) Darius Jack wrote: Hi, you said: There is no native multi touch on these devices. Who said otherwise ? You can call my experience with maemo multitouch side-effect. Ok. But it works for me. I use both iPod Touch and maemo. It works how it works but works (side-effect or alike) ;) you asked have you ever actually done any coding for maemo Tried hard to loggin into maemo, 3 times failed and gave up. Logging procedure problems. __ There is no such facility like Think-Tank at Nokia, so no chance to develop and discuss multitouch for Nokia/maemo. Moreover, one or more guys from this dev list claimed that discussing multitouch for Nokia maemo was spam. Wish you success anyway. Darius ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented
On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 06:48 -0700, ext Sarah Newman wrote: I am 99.99% certain the internet tablets use resistive touch screens, which means this underlying technology cannot do multitouch. Yes, it's resistive and resisitive ts have (had) higher resolution than capacitive ones. The iphone doesn't have 800x400 pixels and it is not meant to be used with a stylus. -- Cheers, Igor --- Igor Stoppa Maemo Software - Nokia Devices RD - Helsinki ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented
Hi, ext Igor Stoppa wrote: On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 06:48 -0700, ext Sarah Newman wrote: I am 99.99% certain the internet tablets use resistive touch screens, which means this underlying technology cannot do multitouch. Yes, it's resistive and resisitive ts have (had) higher resolution than capacitive ones. You forgot 1/6th of the pixels, the resolution is 800x480. :-) The iphone doesn't have 800x400 pixels and it is not meant to be used with a stylus. N8x0 has 2.5x more pixels than iPhone. - Eero ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented
the touch screen resolution is even more than that, it has a native resolution of: x res of ~~~ 3500 units, and y res of ~~~ 3100 units. These are typically scaled to the screen by calibration process but are readable using the xsp extension. :D On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Eero Tamminen [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi, ext Igor Stoppa wrote: On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 06:48 -0700, ext Sarah Newman wrote: I am 99.99% certain the internet tablets use resistive touch screens, which means this underlying technology cannot do multitouch. Yes, it's resistive and resisitive ts have (had) higher resolution than capacitive ones. You forgot 1/6th of the pixels, the resolution is 800x480. :-) The iphone doesn't have 800x400 pixels and it is not meant to be used with a stylus. N8x0 has 2.5x more pixels than iPhone. - Eero ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented
Darius Jack wrote: Multitouch is hot and market added value. Sarah Newman wrote: I am 99.99% certain the internet tablets use resistive touch screens, So being resistive I guess they're technically hotter than capacitive ones? /me ducks David ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented
2008/9/4 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 3 Sep 2008, Darius Jack wrote: Instead of just arguing (which is quite annoying BTW), why dont you write some code or take your comments offlist? This tirade serves no purpose. #!/usr/python2.5 def __mail__(): import grumphy text = str(self) + \nDO NOT FEED THE TROLL ! g = grumphy() g.send_mail(text) -- Benoît HERVIER - http://khertan.net/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented
I would not expect the lower precision of a capacitive touch screen to be a barrier for the user if it's a small enough ratio, but you could convince me otherwise. 2 or 4x seems doable. So then the barrier is stylus usage. Why do we want a stylus? The cold weather, physical and/or mental comfort, or difficulty performing certain tasks with fingers only? I think it would be interesting to correlate finger size, usage of stylus vs. fingers, and most frequently used applications. Maybe there are certain UI elements which are acting as a barrier for people switching from stylus to finger usage? Mine is selecting links on web pages. This person has some suggestions: http://www.videsignline.com/howto/display/209900585 But I suspect developers who are porting desktop applications would have to put in even more customizations for the tablet if it had finger-only input. That is unless Nokia could intelligently hide all the additional overhead, which may not be possible. Igor Stoppa wrote: On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 06:48 -0700, ext Sarah Newman wrote: I am 99.99% certain the internet tablets use resistive touch screens, which means this underlying technology cannot do multitouch. Yes, it's resistive and resisitive ts have (had) higher resolution than capacitive ones. The iphone doesn't have 800x400 pixels and it is not meant to be used with a stylus. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Benoît HERVIER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/9/4 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 3 Sep 2008, Darius Jack wrote: Instead of just arguing (which is quite annoying BTW), why dont you write some code or take your comments offlist? This tirade serves no purpose. #!/usr/python2.5 def __mail__(): import grumphy text = str(self) + \nDO NOT FEED THE TROLL ! g = grumphy() g.send_mail(text) -- Benoît HERVIER - http://khertan.net/ and your message, as amusing as it may be, serves the exact opposite purpose. Darius has managed to build quite a bit of reputation on this mailing list and ITT (and I do not mean it in a positive sense). He raises a good point but with terrible writing, I guess he doesn't proofread what he writes and English is not his first (or second) language. He also tends to react to constructive (such as this) and unjustified (such as yours) criticism in a childish manner which tends to disrupt what could become an interesting conversation (which, summing up his incoherent rants in a single sentence, is about plans for multitouch support in the next generations of Nokia Tablets). therefore Benoît, please do as you say, and just ignore him. peace ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented
Little out of topic. Just talk about the stylus. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sarah Newman Sent: 2008年9月5日 0:01 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-developers Subject: Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented ..snip... So then the barrier is stylus usage. Why do we want a stylus? The cold weather, physical and/or mental comfort, or difficulty performing certain tasks with fingers only? yes, why do we need stylus? If someone wore the gloves, could him sieze it OK? why not use some on-screen cursors (like the snipper sight) as that on PC? And the on-screen cursor's scope can do zoom in/out, it's extremly useful for map location, and other high-precision location needed applications, Actually, maemo can not display some ballon tips (since it's dont have the mouse-over event), and make me sad while browsing. It might be a great reduce of user experience. Joke, let's see, ^lol^ a.z ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented
You are completely wrong. I remember you that it s a dev mailing list. multitouch N900 maemo is what is more than welcome. Your problems with multitouch operation are not shared by millions of happy users of iPhone, iPod Touch. Multitouch technology by Apple generates huge profits andf what counts in corporate business is profit per share. So multitouch technology by Apple is a great success in making profit per share to go up and you can't stop developers to develop multitouch solutions in maemo, next editions of N810. I have already suggested Quim Gil to set up Developers Think-Tank at Nokia to start brain work on new technologies, how interfaces. Nothing to be ashamed, solutions by Apple are today hot, modern and market welcome. Kinetics is exactly what is emerging in N810, coming from iPhone. Yesterday read a long Eee PC marketing report by Asus. What was expected to be hot and market success is not hot any more. Screen to small, LCD panel to fat. No chance for market success like one by Apple multitouch products. COULD YOU STOP SPAMMING THIS LIST ? THANKS ! You can't stop developers to develop multitouch solutions for N810 and other Nokia products. You can't stop developers to discuss new features, new solutions. Market is open for hot products only. All you can do is to make maemo developers to develop multitouch solutions for third party products. You said nothing about 2 patents for multitouch by Apple. You suggested nothing to make next edition of N810 a really hot market product. But you can still do something for users of Nokia Internet Tablet. Welcome page of the Nokia Internet Tablet Google Group http://tinyurl.com/nokiatablet has been removed/ deleted ... by ... ??? As Nokia Internet Tablet GG welcome page got edit-protected status by Google so this is hackers, Google , Google servers or to blame for that. You can call Google HQ requesting Welcome page at http://tinyurl.com/nokiatablet to be put back from Google GG backup. Of course, you can do what you wish, but it's very stupid idea to close maemo for multitouch solutions or just suggest anything like that. Multitouch is hot, very hot, so kinetics. You can't change market trends. Darius --- On Tue, 2/9/08, Benoît HERVIER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Benoît HERVIER [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, 2 September, 2008, 10:41 PM 1) N 770 couldn't be multitouch this device don't exist. It s Nokia 770, it s not a nseries. 2) some people like found virtual keyboard useless. I hate this thing ... and many consider iPhone Hot ... specially when battery burn user. 3) Do you found iPhone multi touch usefull ? for what zooming/ unzomming ... and after ? Have you ever use it ? I must each time do thing 3 time to get a result. The +/- button on the n8x0 is far away better. 4) PDA by Asus are not hot, PDA by Samsung but HTC are Hot ... Blackberry are too ... do they use multitouch ? no. 5) What is trendy today is multitouch. What is trendy tommorrow is 3D gesture recognition. You think that is trendy ... i think this sucks today how it s implemented, mainly due to hardware. 6) I remember you that it s a dev mailing list, and i think i ll say that many other think : COULD YOU STOP SPAMMING THIS LIST ? THANKS ! -- Benoît HERVIER - http://khertan.net/ 2008/9/2 Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, don't you think Nokia already lost 2 chances to go back to top with top cell phone models, having lost interest for N 770 ( first in the world multitouch Internet tablet). N 770 was really multitouch gizmo (just try to move web page with 2 fingers). Another models - N800, N810 went in another direction (keyboard) and market success of Apple with iPod Touch/ iPhone was even greater. Today Apple comes with another hot product - multitouch mini laptop. Please tell me frankly what makes Nokia to show no interest in development of multitouch gizmos, so hot and welcome by customers world-wide ? My friend from Sweden developed multitouch computers and arranged sale and presentation in Dubai. PDA by Asus are not hot, PDA by Samsung are not hot, hot are new cell phones. What ixs hot with iPhone is 0-mechanics gizmo, no mechanical button, no mechanical keyboard. What is a chance to have hot multitouch gizmo by Nokia in next few years ? Parents granted Apple for multitouch solutions still give room for Nokia and others to develop and implement other how multitouch solutions, still patentable. What is trendy today is multitouch. What is trendy tommorrow is 3D gesture recognition. Darius Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman
Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented
Sorry Simon, but it works as semi-multitouch. I have discovered this feature opening my Semantic WWW Magazines in maemo. With 2 fingers pressed I can move Welcome page horizontally, like in iPod Touch. Darius --- On Tue, 2/9/08, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Tuesday, 2 September, 2008, 3:49 PM Darius Jack ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [...] N 770 ( first in the world multitouch Internet tablet). N 770 was really multitouch gizmo (just try to move web page with 2 fingers). You're wrong here: what you're seeing when pressing multiple fingers on the touchscreen is some kind of average position. Typically the mousepointer ends up in the middle between the two fingers pressing the screen, just try it in the drawing application. The scrolling in the webbrowser just made you believe that it would be doing something sensible, it really does not. Bye, Simon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://simon.budig.de/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kernelconcepts.de/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented
You obviously do not realise how touchscreens work. When you press in 2 locations the click point will be located at the centre of gravity between those points. This is why if you accidentally catch your screen with your wrist whilst operating with the stylus the pointer will shoot off in a random direction. do some reading up, and also - the touchpad on the iphone etc is a completely different technology. Take the stylus you use for touching your nokia and use it on the iphone screen. I have to wonder though, if you are so impressed with their technology why you haven't you moved to using their devices fulltime? gary (lcuk on #maemo) On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Sorry Simon, but it works as semi-multitouch. I have discovered this feature opening my Semantic WWW Magazines in maemo. With 2 fingers pressed I can move Welcome page horizontally, like in iPod Touch. Darius --- On Tue, 2/9/08, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Tuesday, 2 September, 2008, 3:49 PM Darius Jack ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [...] N 770 ( first in the world multitouch Internet tablet). N 770 was really multitouch gizmo (just try to move web page with 2 fingers). You're wrong here: what you're seeing when pressing multiple fingers on the touchscreen is some kind of average position. Typically the mousepointer ends up in the middle between the two fingers pressing the screen, just try it in the drawing application. The scrolling in the webbrowser just made you believe that it would be doing something sensible, it really does not. Bye, Simon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://simon.budig.de/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kernelconcepts.de/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented
Darius Jack ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [...] N 770 ( first in the world multitouch Internet tablet). N 770 was really multitouch gizmo (just try to move web page with 2 fingers). You're wrong here: what you're seeing when pressing multiple fingers on the touchscreen is some kind of average position. Typically the mousepointer ends up in the middle between the two fingers pressing the screen, just try it in the drawing application. The scrolling in the webbrowser just made you believe that it would be doing something sensible, it really does not. Bye, Simon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://simon.budig.de/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kernelconcepts.de/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented
Nothing wrong ;) I have been developing basic multitouch applications for years. It was just to point out how close was Nokia to implement (to get the idea of) multitouch in N 770 (looking really smart, no mechanics on keyboard, no keyboard). And N 770 was touch screen, so many years before iPhone has been developed. Multitouch is trendy and hot and I am really surprised what makes Nokia not to implement multitouch into maemo. Darius --- On Tue, 2/9/08, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Date: Tuesday, 2 September, 2008, 3:49 PM Darius Jack ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [...] N 770 ( first in the world multitouch Internet tablet). N 770 was really multitouch gizmo (just try to move web page with 2 fingers). You're wrong here: what you're seeing when pressing multiple fingers on the touchscreen is some kind of average position. Typically the mousepointer ends up in the middle between the two fingers pressing the screen, just try it in the drawing application. The scrolling in the webbrowser just made you believe that it would be doing something sensible, it really does not. Bye, Simon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://simon.budig.de/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kernelconcepts.de/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
