[Mailman-Users] Moderated group.

[J.R. Constance]

Is there any way to set up a list so that every message to the list, 
whether from members or non-members, has to be approved by the 
moderator prior to being sent out to the list? I thought I had this 
working with my list but right now when someone sends a message to 
the list it just seems to disappear. The admins get no notice that 
there is a message waiting for approval, and nothing shows up in the 
queue to be approved.

J.R.
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[Mailman-Users] not receiving messages to lists

[jfl1]

Hello,

I'm no expert at Mailman, which obviously explains my current stuggles
and need for assistance.

I'm running the following...
Mailman 2.1.5
Sendmail 8.12.8-9
Apache 2.0.40
Red Hat Linux 3.2.2-5

These were installed via rpm.

I've checked through the Mailman FAQ on the Mailman site and also looked
through the Mailman FAQ on the python.org site and haven't found anything
to get me any further in solving the problems I'm encountering.

At the moment I am able to create lists and messages from the list are
successfully sent out to list-owner or list members.  What I am unable to
do is send messages from a remote account to the list.  I send messages to
the list and after some time receive bounces to my remote account
indicating that the connection was refused by the address I was attempting
to send to.

A few other items...
I've checked the MTA logs at /var/log/maillog and am not receiving any
information in this file indicating that the messages sent from a remote
host ever interacted with my local box running Mailman.

Any assistance is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
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[Mailman-Users] Problem With hotmail!

[Paris Wells]

Hi , im trying to set up a list at the moment and i have some problems!

1) Any email i send using the mailing list goes straight into the junk mail 
folder of hotmail , however fine with spam assasin using my domain email

2) It leaves a signature on every email it sends and cant find in the options 
out how to remove this

Eg this :
___
Members mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://domain.com/mailman/listinfo/members_domain.com

3) In outlook express it makes it look like the email has an attachment when it 
doesnt

Thanks For Your help

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[Mailman-Users] Wierd Problem creating list

[Tamara Yoggev]

Hi all,

I've just installed mailman on a Linux machine with postfix. I'm having the 
following problems, which may be related, I just can't figure out.

1) I went through all the install steps, created a site mailing list (mailman), 
and a few other mailing lists (tamara, tests, whatever).
I DO get the notification email from mailman-owner, the lists DO appear in the 
/usr/local/mailman/lists folder but when I go to the link:
  http://www.aishlist.com/mailman/admin/tamara I get "No such list tamara"

2) when I try to create a list via the web interface, I get 
Error: You are not authorized to create new mailing lists
, I AM using the list creator password which I created. (besides that I can 
create a list via the command line 
as I've stated above)

Does anyone have any idea what could be wrong?

Thanks a lot,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] not receiving messages to lists

[Brad Knowles]

At 3:15 PM -0500 2005-03-27, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 At the moment I am able to create lists and messages from the list are
 successfully sent out to list-owner or list members.  What I am unable to
 do is send messages from a remote account to the list.  I send messages to
 the list and after some time receive bounces to my remote account
 indicating that the connection was refused by the address I was attempting
 to send to.
	Sounds to me like your mail server is not accepting incoming 
connections, or there might be a firewall blocking incoming 
connections.

 A few other items...
 I've checked the MTA logs at /var/log/maillog and am not receiving any
 information in this file indicating that the messages sent from a remote
 host ever interacted with my local box running Mailman.
	Yup.  It's either not listening (or at least not listening to the 
right address), or it's being blocked somewhere.

	However, debugging this part of the problem is going to be 
specific to your OS (and how it handles host-level firewalling), your 
network connection device (are you behind some sort of NAT/router 
which is effectively firewalling incoming connections), your MTA 
(maybe it's not configured to listen to the right address or 
addresses), and your service provider (maybe they block all incoming 
port 25 connections).

	There's nothing Mailman-specific here.  We're not really likely 
to be able to provide you much more help.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem With hotmail!

[Brad Knowles]

At 4:38 AM +0100 2005-03-28, Paris Wells wrote:
 1) Any email i send using the mailing list goes straight into the junk
 mail folder of hotmail , however fine with spam assasin using my domain
 email
	See 
. 
This applies to hotmail, yahoo, gmail, and all the other large 
providers, and not just AOL.

 2) It leaves a signature on every email it sends and cant find in the
 options out how to remove this
See 
.
 3) In outlook express it makes it look like the email has an attachment
 when it doesnt
See above.
	In general, any time you are having problems with Mailman, it's a 
good idea to go to the Mailman FAQ Wizard at 
 and search for key words 
relating to your problems.  You can also see the entire index of all 
FAQ entries at , 
and I would encourage you to read through each and every one of these 
items.

	Even if you don't remember every aspect of every FAQ entry, 
hopefully some things will stick in the back of your mind and if you 
have a problem in the future, you'll have a better chance of 
remembering where in the FAQ this question was answered.

	You should also search the archives of the mailman-users mailing 
list, according to the instructions at 
.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderated group.

[Brad Knowles]

At 7:36 AM -0700 2005-03-28, J.R. Constance wrote:
 Is there any way to set up a list so that every message to the list,
 whether from members or non-members, has to be approved by the moderator
 prior to being sent out to the list?
	Turn on default moderation when creating the list.  You may also 
need to go through and set everyone's moderate bit, if they're 
already subscribed to the list.

	If this isn't working for you, take a look at 
.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Wierd Problem creating list

[Brad Knowles]

At 10:35 AM +0200 2005-03-28, Tamara Yoggev wrote:
 I DO get the notification email from mailman-owner, the lists DO appear
 in the /usr/local/mailman/lists folder but when I go to the link:
 http://www.aishlist.com/mailman/admin/tamara I get "No such list tamara"
	Hmm.  I wonder if maybe this is the "redirect" problem.  See 
.

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[Mailman-Users] Unable to subscribe.

[Matthew A. Marshall]

Hello, I'm running mailman v2.1.5.  When I attempt to subscribe to a 
list via the web gui.  I receive the email I need to confirm.  I reply 
to the email.  The email is received by my mailman server.  I see it in 
the maillog.   However, after that nothing happens.  I am not added to 
the list nor a message stating that I have sucessfully subscribed.  Has 
anyone else had this problem?

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[Mailman-Users] Outgoing SMTP connection

[Steven Stolarski]

Hello All,

  I have inherited a mail system that has a mailman 2.1.5 server using
'SMTPDirect' as the Delivery Module to our primary mail server.  I'm
interested in limiting the rate at which this system sends mail (due to
limited configuration options on the incoming mail server).  From what I can
tell there use to be a very specific option to do just this, limit outgoing
smtp connections but that seems to have been removed by 2.1.5.  Is there
anyway to accomplish this in my version?  Thanks in advance for any help.

 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unable to subscribe.

[Brad Knowles]

At 11:02 AM -0500 2005-03-28, Matthew A. Marshall wrote:
 Hello, I'm running mailman v2.1.5.  When I attempt to subscribe to a
 list via the web gui.  I receive the email I need to confirm.  I reply
 to the email.  The email is received by my mailman server.  I see it
 in the maillog.   However, after that nothing happens.  I am not added
 to the list nor a message stating that I have sucessfully subscribed.
 Has anyone else had this problem?
	This could be the "redirect" problem.  See 
.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Outgoing SMTP connection

[Brad Knowles]

At 11:26 AM -0500 2005-03-28, Steven Stolarski wrote:
   I have inherited a mail system that has a mailman 2.1.5 server using
 'SMTPDirect' as the Delivery Module to our primary mail server.  I'm
 interested in limiting the rate at which this system sends mail (due to
 limited configuration options on the incoming mail server).
	If you want to do this, you need to make this change to your MTA. 
See 
.

  From what I can
 tell there use to be a very specific option to do just this, limit outgoing
 smtp connections but that seems to have been removed by 2.1.5.
Mailman has never had this option.
 Is there
 anyway to accomplish this in my version?
Not within Mailman, no.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderated group.

[Mark Sapiro]

J.R. Constance wrote:

>I thought I had this 
>working with my list but right now when someone sends a message to 
>the list it just seems to disappear. The admins get no notice that 
>there is a message waiting for approval, and nothing shows up in the 
>queue to be approved.


It seems you may have set member_moderation_action to Discard instead
of Hold.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderated group.

[J.R. Constance]

I'll check those settings. Thanks.

Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:J.R. Constance wrote:

>I thought I had this 
>working with my list but right now when someone sends a message to 
>the list it just seems to disappear. The admins get no notice that 
>there is a message waiting for approval, and nothing shows up in the 
>queue to be approved.


It seems you may have set member_moderation_action to Discard instead
of Hold.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Wierd Problem creating list

[Mark Sapiro]

Tamara Yoggev wrote:
>
>1) I went through all the install steps, created a site mailing list 
>(mailman), and a few other mailing lists (tamara, tests, whatever).
>I DO get the notification email from mailman-owner, the lists DO appear in the 
>/usr/local/mailman/lists folder but when I go to the link:
>  http://www.aishlist.com/mailman/admin/tamara I get "No such list tamara"


You now have at least two error tracebacks in your mailman 'error' log
as a result of my attempts to go to
http://www.aishlist.com/mailman/admin/tamara and
http://www.aishlist.com/mailman/admin/

What do they say?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unable to subscribe.

[Mark Sapiro]

Matthew A. Marshall wrote:

>Hello, I'm running mailman v2.1.5.  When I attempt to subscribe to a 
>list via the web gui.  I receive the email I need to confirm.  I reply 
>to the email.  The email is received by my mailman server.  I see it in 
>the maillog.   However, after that nothing happens.  I am not added to 
>the list nor a message stating that I have sucessfully subscribed.  Has 
>anyone else had this problem?

The e-mail has a subject of the form

Subject: confirm bfb17fa8cb865644b1d4239335148977d3bc6267

The reply needs to go to the -request address and it needs to
preserve the subject or possibly make a subject of the form

Subject: Re: confirm bfb17fa8cb865644b1d4239335148977d3bc6267

There is an issue with certain MUAs (MS Outlook) that will make the
subject of the reply

Subject: Re : confirm bfb17fa8cb865644b1d4239335148977d3bc6267

This will not work. I.e. 'confirm' needs to be either the first or the
second "token" following Subject:

See the thread at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-March/043360.html

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unable to subscribe.

[Matthew A. Marshall]

Brad Knowles wrote:
At 11:02 AM -0500 2005-03-28, Matthew A. Marshall wrote:
 Hello, I'm running mailman v2.1.5.  When I attempt to subscribe to a
 list via the web gui.  I receive the email I need to confirm.  I reply
 to the email.  The email is received by my mailman server.  I see it
 in the maillog.   However, after that nothing happens.  I am not added
 to the list nor a message stating that I have sucessfully subscribed.
 Has anyone else had this problem?

This could be the "redirect" problem.  See 
.

A few other things I should mention, I have no problems with posting a 
message to a list.  The problem only seems to be with new requests.  
Also, the list's email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Wierd Problem creating list

[Mark Sapiro]

Tamara Yoggev wrote:
>
>But now I'm having an even stranger problem!
>
>when I go to http://www.aishlist.com/mailman/create I get the following:
>
>Bug in Mailman version 2.1.6b4

Just guessing without the logs, maybe the wrappers aren't being
executed by the expected group. Did you use the --with-cgi-gid= option
when you ran configure? is this group the one that Apache uses to run
your cgi scripts?


>and BTW, my /usr/local/mailman/logs/error file is empty!

Are there any non-empty logs in that directory?

Check Defaults.py and mm_cfg.py for assignment to LOG_DIR to see if it
might be in other than the default location.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Wierd Problem creating list

[Mark Sapiro]

Tamara Yoggev wrote:

>According to what I found in httpd.conf
>User apache
>
>Group apache
>
>I used:
>--with-cgi-gid=apache (Is there any way I could double check this? I ran the 
>configure a while ago, but I'm sure thats what I did)

It's probably OK. I forgot you started by asking about web create not
working. If you can get the web create page (or any of the web pages),
then the wrappers should be OK.

But I'm confused. You were able to get the create page before you
changed ScriptAlias, etc so you were getting to wrappers somewhere?


>
>> Are there any non-empty logs in that directory?
>
>yes, smtp seems fine. and LOG_DIR  is pointing to the right place:
>VAR_PREFIX = '/usr/local/mailman'
>
>LOG_DIR = os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX, 'logs')

Is the error log group writable?

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[Mailman-Users] Transfering mailman lists between servers

[James B. Byrne]

I have read and attempted to follow the instructions given in the 
FAQ but I am unable to successfully transfer mailman lists between 
two machines.

The source host is running mailman-2.1.5-8, the target host is 
running mailman-2.1.5-33.rhel4.  I first created the lists on the 
target host in order that any logical or hard links would be set up 
for the archives. I next shutdown and cleared out the mail services 
on the source host.  I then tarred the source hosts's 
mailman/archives/private and mailman/lists and transferred these to 
the target host and restored them into the appropriate directories. 
 
Now when I access the web admin screen on the target host I am told 
that there are no lists configured at all.  But, if I try and add 
one of the lists that I transferred then I am told that it already 
exists.  What piece of configuration data am I missing and how do I 
provide it?

Regards,
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[Mailman-Users] Mailman/Exim problem with very slow outgoing mail on one list

[Stephanie]

I'm hoping someone has some ideas for fixing a problem with very
slow outgoing mail delivery for one particular list I host.  I'm
running Mailman 2.1.5 and Exim 4.40.  I host a couple dozen Mailman
lists on my Linux server, most are less than 300 members except for
one list with about 1,100 members, about 850 set to individual emails
and 250 on digest.

I've hosted this list (call it ABC list) for almost two years now and
up until about a month ago, outgoing mail for ABC list (and all other
outgoing mail, list) got processed very quickly, getting delivered to
the recipient's server at a rate of about 1,000-1,200 per hour.  The
ABC list will get posts in several messages, usually two to four per
topic and once a month, there's a posting that's 12 to 14 messages.

About a month ago, at a time where there were NO updates to anything
on my server, hadn't been any for about two weeks prior, suddenly
outgoing mail on the ABC list *only* slowed down to a quarter of the
usual speed, processing about 300 messages per hour, even if there
were no other messages in the Exim queue.  The messages get processed
by Mailman to Exim at the usual speed, takes about ten minutes for
Exim to accept 850 messages and queue them and start delivering them
but instead of being sent out 1,000-1,200 per hour, suddenly they
stick in Exim, even ones for delivery to local email addresses,
delivering only about 300 per hour.

All other lists and private mail process at the normal faster levels. 
If there's outgoing messages from other Mailman lists, those messages
will get processed and sent out while the messages for ABC list
languish in the Exim queue.  (Note: most all of the lists I host, and
especially the busier ones, including ABC list, are set in Mailman to
VERP all messages, it's been set like that for over a year.)  Forcing
additional Exim queue runners doesn't do anything but increase the
load on my server as it tries to process even more very slow messages.

About two weeks ago, one of my users created a new list (call it XYZ
list) and directly added about 950 users in one go (she was creating a
backup list for Yahoogroup) and she neglected to turn off the notices
to the listowner of new members and she didn't turn off the welcome
message either so approximately 1,900 messages got sent out
immediately.  At the same time, there were about 10,000 messages in
the Exim queue for ABC list (the 12 part monthly posting), processing
at their very slow pace.  The individual welcome messages and new
members for XYZ list notices flew right on past, the 950+ welcome
messages and the new member notices went thru the Exim queue in about
20 minutes with just a handful left waiting on problems at the
recipient's server.

At first glance I would think this is strictly an Exim problem but
since it's affecting a single Mailman list, I keep coming back to
something going wrong between the two.  I have checked Exim logs and
Mailman logs, can't see anything out of place.  I've gone thru the
Mailman FAQ and also the Exim/Mailman HowTo and tweaked things but
still no difference, every other list flies on by while the ABC list
plods along slowly.

This problem applies to all the outgoing messages on the ABC list,
doesn't matter what receiving ISP, they all get treated just a slowly.
 I've checked that in the logs and watched it in the queue, even
messages destined for other users I host will sit and wait.  I've
watched the individual delivery attempts, when I force delivery of one
of the ABC list messages, it'll take at least 30 seconds before Exim
even attempts to lookup the recipient's ISP but once it gets to that
point, it flies right on thru, speedy as usual.  It's that 30-45
second delay as it's pulling up the message (or whatever) that I can't
determine the cause.  If it was all mail or even all Mailman mail, I'd
know it was some problem with Exim or dns (which I checked and changed
anyway, didn't make any difference) but it's just this one list, no
other lists and other non-list mail is not affected at all.

The only thing I can think of that I haven't tried yet is exporting
all the list settings and member list (there's no archives thankfully)
and deleting the list and re-creating it but I have no idea if that
would help...any suggestions, hints, tips, wild ideas, anything at
all, is very welcome.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Transfering mailman lists between servers

[Mark Sapiro]

James B. Byrne wrote:
> 
>Now when I access the web admin screen on the target host I am told 
>that there are no lists configured at all.  But, if I try and add 
>one of the lists that I transferred then I am told that it already 
>exists.  What piece of configuration data am I missing and how do I 
>provide it?

Are the domains different. Were the list visible when you first created
them? See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp.
You probably need to run fix_url.py. You may also need to rebuild the
archives with bin/arch if the "more info" links need to be fixed.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Wierd Problem creating list

[Mark Sapiro]

Tamara Yoggev wrote:

>That's right, only after I fixed (in mailman.conf, which is included in 
>httpd.conf) the following :
>This is what I originally had with my previous problem "no such list etc."
>
>ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/mailman/cgi-bin/
>
>Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/
>
>
>
>Options +FollowSymlinks
>
>


There must be a set of wrappers in /var/mailman/cgi-bin/ These are
probably correct.

Where is the archives/public directory. Is there one in /var/mailman?


>I changed this to (mailman is installed in: /usr/local/mailman):
>
>
>
>ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/


Does this directory even exist. Is there a set of wrappers it it?


>Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/
>
>


Also does this directory exist?


>Options +FollowSymlinks
>
>
>
>After I made this change, which seemed to be reasonable to me, maybe I'm 
>wrong did I see the-
>
>We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Actually, there must be wrappers in /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/ too or
you wouldn't see the "we hit a bug" message.

It seems you may have run ./configure and make install more than once
with different --with-var-prefix values and without running make clean
in between.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unable to subscribe.

[Matthew A. Marshall]

Mark Sapiro wrote:
Matthew A. Marshall wrote:
 

Hello, I'm running mailman v2.1.5.  When I attempt to subscribe to a 
list via the web gui.  I receive the email I need to confirm.  I reply 
to the email.  The email is received by my mailman server.  I see it in 
the maillog.   However, after that nothing happens.  I am not added to 
the list nor a message stating that I have sucessfully subscribed.  Has 
anyone else had this problem?
   

The e-mail has a subject of the form
Subject: confirm bfb17fa8cb865644b1d4239335148977d3bc6267
The reply needs to go to the -request address and it needs to
preserve the subject or possibly make a subject of the form
Subject: Re: confirm bfb17fa8cb865644b1d4239335148977d3bc6267
There is an issue with certain MUAs (MS Outlook) that will make the
subject of the reply
Subject: Re : confirm bfb17fa8cb865644b1d4239335148977d3bc6267
This will not work. I.e. 'confirm' needs to be either the first or the
second "token" following Subject:
See the thread at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-March/043360.html
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I double checked the message subject.  It's shouldn't be the cause.  I 
ran into this same problem with mailman 2.0.x. 

This is what I see.  We have a mail router which accepts incoming email 
for [EMAIL PROTECTED]  This includes mailing lists.  The 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] gets forwarded to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   I see the message come in and 
get sent to mailman.  Nothing after that.  If I send the confirmation to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] I see the message come in, get sent to mailman 
and then the welcome message sent back out.  This makes absolutly no 
sense as to why it works one way, but not the other.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Wierd Problem creating list

[Mark Sapiro]

Tamara Yoggev wrote:

>All of these folders exist:
>
>/var/mailman/archives/public/
>/var/mailman/cgi-bin/
>/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/
>/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/
>
>> It seems you may have run ./configure and make install more than once
>> with different --with-var-prefix values and without running make clean
>> in between.
>
> Yes, I did do that, I would have thought that I ran make clean in between, 
>but there is a definite
>chance I missed it, and just ran make by mistake (Since I ran configure 
>several times until I felt I got it right)
>
>Do you suggest I run configure again and recompile?

That would be the safest. Now, make clean will only remove the last
installation (which is probably the good one).

If I were you, I would save my mm_cfg.py changes if any and remove
/var/mailman/ and /usr/local/mailman/ and the 2.1.6b4 source and
download beta 5 from http://mm.tkikuchi.net/mailman-2.1.6b5.tgz and
rerun configure and make install.

That way, you'll know exactly what you've got.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unable to subscribe.

[Mark Sapiro]

Matthew A. Marshall wrote:
>
>This is what I see.  We have a mail router which accepts incoming email 
>for [EMAIL PROTECTED]  This includes mailing lists.  The 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] gets forwarded to 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]   I see the message come in and 
>get sent to mailman.  Nothing after that.  If I send the confirmation to 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] I see the message come in, get sent to mailman 
>and then the welcome message sent back out.  This makes absolutly no 
>sense as to why it works one way, but not the other.

It makes no sense to me either, but it seems that somehow the process
of forwarding from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] is changing something in the
message other than just adding another Received: header. Does it
rewrite the envelope sender? I don't even know if this would matter -
just grasping at straws - but something must be going on in that
process.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/Exim problem with very slow outgoing mailon one list

[Mark Sapiro]

Stephanie wrote:
>
>At first glance I would think this is strictly an Exim problem but
>since it's affecting a single Mailman list, I keep coming back to
>something going wrong between the two.

I agree this certainly seems to be a strictly Exim problem. See
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-January/041815.html

This addresses delays within Mailman, but the underlying problem might
apply to Exim queues as well as Mailman queues. I have no idea really,
but it might be worth a look.

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[Mailman-Users] Membership lists

[Martin Dennett]

I'm familiar with the "who " facility to retrieve the 
membership listing, but is there a way I can receive this info with the 
individual settings for each subscriber? I'm particularly interested in 
members who have their mail delivery disabled, as I want to change them 
all to subscribe to the topic that I've set up specificially to be able 
to contact them all.

Is there a way to force everybody to subscribe to a topic when they 
first join the list, as this could save a lot of time in the future?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Membership lists

[Brad Knowles]

At 10:08 PM +0100 2005-03-28, Martin Dennett wrote:
 I'm familiar with the "who " facility to retrieve the
 membership listing, but is there a way I can receive this info with
 the individual settings for each subscriber?
	Sorry, this is not possible with the current version of Mailman. 
If you want this sort of thing, you either need to have 
administrative access to the command-line of the Mailman server, or 
you may be able to script the web interface.  Please search the 
archives for more info.

 Is there a way to force everybody to subscribe to a topic when they
 first join the list, as this could save a lot of time in the future?
Sorry again.  I don't even know if you can script this one.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Transfering mailman lists between servers

[James B. Byrne]

On 28 Mar 2005 at 11:38, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> Are the domains different. Were the list visible when you first
> created them? See
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.
> htp . You probably need to run fix_url.py. You may also need to
> rebuild the archives with bin/arch if the "more info" links need
> to be fixed. 

Here is the scenario.  These lists are presently hosted on a server 
that is to be decommissioned.  At that time the host name of that 
server will be transferred to the target machine as a CNAME.  I 
wish to confirm that the lists are reachable from the network on 
the new host before cutting over.  I infer from the instructions 
given above that in order to test this I will have to run:

bin/withlist -l -r fix_url  -u 

for each list, test, and when the host name change occurs then redo 
it on the same host with the old name again:

bin/withlist -l -r fix_url  -u 

In a similar fashion the archives need to be reconstructed using 
bin/arch.

Does this describe the situation?

Regards,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Transfering mailman lists between servers

[Mark Sapiro]

James B. Byrne wrote:

>On 28 Mar 2005 at 11:38, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
>> Are the domains different. Were the list visible when you first
>> created them? See
>> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.
>> htp . You probably need to run fix_url.py. You may also need to
>> rebuild the archives with bin/arch if the "more info" links need
>> to be fixed. 
>
>Here is the scenario.  These lists are presently hosted on a server 
>that is to be decommissioned.  At that time the host name of that 
>server will be transferred to the target machine as a CNAME.  I 
>wish to confirm that the lists are reachable from the network on 
>the new host before cutting over.  I infer from the instructions 
>given above that in order to test this I will have to run:
>
>bin/withlist -l -r fix_url  -u 
>
>for each list, test, and when the host name change occurs then redo 
>it on the same host with the old name again:
>
>bin/withlist -l -r fix_url  -u 
>
>In a similar fashion the archives need to be reconstructed using 
>bin/arch.
>
>Does this describe the situation?


Depending on just how much testing you want to do, you could skip all
of the above. You won't see any lists on the
http://newhostname.domain.tld/mailman/listinfo/ or the
http://newhostname.domain.tld/mailman/admin pages, but you should
still see and be able to administer the lists by going to
http://newhostname.domain.tld/mailman/listinfo/ and
http://newhostname.domain.tld/mailman/admin/ pages and
visiting their archives.

Also, if you set VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = Off in mm_cfg.py, you should
also see all the public lists on the first two pages. This should be
enough to let you know things are working without actually going
through all the fix_url and bin/arch stuff.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] help! mailman not working with virtual servers

[Lynn Siprelle]

On Mar 27, 2005, at 3:41 AM, Jim Tittsler wrote:
On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 09:16:00AM -0800, Lynn Siprelle wrote:
I don't doubt you, and I will try it, but why would it work on one
machine and not another, both using Apache?
Do *any* CGI scripts work on the second machine?  (Is mod_cgi
being loaded/enabled?)
Yes and yes; other cgi scripts work fine. Mailman works fine, just not 
on the virtual servers.

No clues at all in the Apache error logs?
Just the ever-charming and informative "premature end of script 
headers."

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Re: [Mailman-Users] help! mailman not working with virtual servers

[Lynn Siprelle]

I'm out of ideas and down to grasping at straws.
Yeah, you and me both. :(
I noticed in your post
of the VirtualHost section of your Apache config, the first
ScriptAlias was not indented like the rest of the section.
This is an artifact of the DirectAdmin system that my host uses. After 
much digging I found the workaround to avoid this portion of the 
DirectAdmin software, and I will look at this.

Thanks.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Transfering mailman lists between servers

[James B. Byrne]

Your suggested approach worked and, as far as I can tell, I 
simply need to change the DNS records to complete the swap. At the 
worst I will simply have to switch back to the original server and 
rethink things.

Thank you.

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