Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list "Mailman" mandatory?

[Davide Marchi]

On 3/7/19 12:23 PM, Davide Marchi wrote:

Anyway, only just to prevent mistakes from our new members (that are 
not

really technicians..),
could you suggest me how is it possible to hide it from the list web 
page?


You can not display it on the listinfo and admin web overview pages by
setting it's Privacy options... -> Subscription rules -> advertised
setting to No.

However the listinfo overview page will still say

If you are having trouble using the lists, please contact
mail...@example.com.

and the admin overview will say

(Send questions and comments to mail...@example.com.)

Changing that address would require modifying the code.

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Well, very thanks Mark, this solve my "big" problem! :-D

Thanks again!

Davide


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list "Mailman" mandatory?

[Mark Sapiro]

On 3/7/19 12:23 PM, Davide Marchi wrote:

> Anyway, only just to prevent mistakes from our new members (that are not
> really technicians..),
> could you suggest me how is it possible to hide it from the list web page?


You can not display it on the listinfo and admin web overview pages by
setting it's Privacy options... -> Subscription rules -> advertised
setting to No.

However the listinfo overview page will still say

If you are having trouble using the lists, please contact
mail...@example.com.

and the admin overview will say

(Send questions and comments to mail...@example.com.)

Changing that address would require modifying the code.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list "Mailman" mandatory?

[Davide Marchi]

mailman-users-requ...@python.org ha scritto:

On 3/6/19 10:22 AM, Davide Marchi wrote:

Hi Friends, and excuse me for my silly question!

I've read from a non official documentation, here:
https://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-install-and-configure-mailman-with-postfix-on-debian-squeeze

that "Before we can start to use Mailman, we must create a mailing 
list

called mailman; this is obligatory - without it Mailman won't start:"

is this information right?
Or is it mandatory to start up Mailman and then (after the new lists
creation) it can be removed?


Mailman 2.1 requires the site list, normally named 'mailman'. In a new
installation, you need to create this list before you can start 
Mailman.

Typically, you create it with Mailman's bin/newlist command.

And no, you can't remove it.


Well!
Anyway, only just to prevent mistakes from our new members (that are not 
really technicians..),
could you suggest me how is it possible to hide it from the list web 
page?



Thanks again


Davide Marchi






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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list "Mailman" mandatory?

[Mark Sapiro]

On 3/6/19 10:22 AM, Davide Marchi wrote:
> Hi Friends, and excuse me for my silly question!
> 
> I've read from a non official documentation, here:
> https://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-install-and-configure-mailman-with-postfix-on-debian-squeeze
> 
> that "Before we can start to use Mailman, we must create a mailing list
> called mailman; this is obligatory - without it Mailman won't start:"
> 
> is this information right?
> Or is it mandatory to start up Mailman and then (after the new lists
> creation) it can be removed?


Mailman 2.1 requires the site list, normally named 'mailman'. In a new
installation, you need to create this list before you can start Mailman.
Typically, you create it with Mailman's bin/newlist command.

And no, you can't remove it.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List Bounce Problems

[Mark Sapiro]

On 09/10/2015 08:19 AM, Kevin Nowaczyk via Mailman-Users wrote:
> I have it set to notify the admin (my gmail
> account) when a user is disabled, but I've never received a
> notification.


Was bounce_notify_owner_on_disable set to yes before the member's
delivery was disabled? If so, what does your postfix log say about the
notification mail to you?


> I enabled notification when a message I send to the
> list is sent out, and I receive that notification, but nobody
> receives the message.


And what does postfix say about those deliveries, assuming the member's
delivery was enabled.

Note that if you are posting from Yahoo and you don't have DMARC
mitigations enabled for your list, that is likely a reason. See the wiki
at  and .


> Admin emails from mailman go through just fine,
> but any message posted to the list does not. I have an IMAP email
> account on the same server which hosts the mailman instance, and it
> seems to get all my test messages that I post just fine, but all
> yahoo, windstream, gmail, etc get bounced.
> 
> an example line from the /var/log/mail.info file is:
> 
> Sep 10 12:49:21 bunsen postfix/smtp[4616]: 0DF621C375:
> to=,
> relay=mail-tester.com[94.23.206.89]:25, delay=2.6,
> delays=0.03/0.07/0.86/1.6, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host
> mail-tester.com[94.23.206.89] said: 550 Message Contains SUSPECT
> Content :: Please contact ab...@fortressitx.com for further
> information. (in reply to end of DATA command))


So the MX at mail-tester.com is not accepting the mail because they say
the Message Contains SUSPECT Content. Only they can tell you why.

But is this a list message? If so, why is it being relayed to
mail-tester.com. What are some log messages for mail to list members
that is undeliverable?.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list address

[Mark Sapiro]

On 09/03/2013 07:33 AM, Drew Tenenholz wrote:
 
 For example, they kind of really want the same FROM: for a group of
 four lists.  At the same time, they want the digest subscribers for
 those four lists to see the FROM as common_name-dig...@domain.tld.


So for 'message' subscribers the From: should be rewritten from the
poster to the common name?


 I've looked into the CookHeaders.py file, and that is certainly the
 place to make any changes BUT there I'm pretty certain that making
 the changes we're talking about will have downstream effects on:


I would use a custom handler rather than CookHeaders, but neither will
take care of the digests. Digests would require mods to
Mailman.Handlers.ToDigest.send_i18n_digests(). The mods could be simple
where mlist.GetRequestEmail() in

mimemsg['From'] = mlist.GetRequestEmail()
and
rfc1153msg['From'] = mlist.GetRequestEmail()

is replaced by get_munged_from(mlist) where get_munged_from is something
imported from your custom handler, both in the interest of making the
change to ToDigest.py as small as possible and DRY.


 1) automated processing of subscription requests sent via email


They wouldn't be affected as they aren't processed through the handler
pipeline.


 2) automated processing of bounces


The handler could set the 'envsender' attribute in the message metadata
to the original LISTNAME-bounces address, but this isn't necessary
because the default comes from a list method and isn't affected by headers.


 3) processing of posts  (my lists are announce-only, so less
imperative to me)


I don't see this as an issue as long as the From: munging Handler comes
after Moderate (and maybe Hold for admindb From: display) in the pipeline.


 4) the upgrade process, which would wipe out the changes and would need
to be
 re-implemented after upgrades (which means reading the new file and
re-integrating
 the changes, not a simple re-insertion of the modified code).


A custom Handler doesn't have this issue.


 Also, CookHeaders.py is a file used by ALL lists in a given
 installation and I don't think there is any list-by-list way to make
 changes.


Custom handlers can be enabled on a list by list basis.

See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/l4A9 on custom handlers.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list address

[Drew Tenenholz]

Ben --

Oddly enough, I've just been asked to do something similar.  In my case, the 
problem is that they want some of these headers changed around and we have 
10-12 lists that sort of relate to each other.

For example, they kind of really want the same FROM: for a group of four lists. 
 At the same time, they want the digest subscribers for those four lists to see 
the FROM as common_name-dig...@domain.tld.

I've looked into the CookHeaders.py file, and that is certainly the place to 
make any changes BUT there I'm pretty certain that making the changes we're 
talking about will have downstream effects on:

1) automated processing of subscription requests sent via email
2) automated processing of bounces
3) processing of posts  (my lists are announce-only, so less imperative to me)
4) the upgrade process, which would wipe out the changes and would need to be 
re-implemented after upgrades (which means reading the new file and 
re-integrating the changes, not a simple re-insertion of the modified code).

Also, CookHeaders.py is a file used by ALL lists in a given installation and I 
don't think there is any list-by-list way to make changes.

So, if Mark or others with more experience have ideas on how to do this without 
upsetting the apple cart, I'd be happy to hear about them.


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At 9:37 AM -0400 9/3/13, benjamin_joy...@ao.uscourts.gov wrote:
Hello,

When I send a message out through the mailing list, the sent by address
alwayse seems to be listname-bounces@hostname.  Is it possible to remove
the bounces apendation from the sent name so that it only shows
listname@hostname?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List is down

[Mark Sapiro]

Nick Wells wrote:

Our mailing list is down.  Whenever someone tries to send an email, there
is an error message received.


What does the message say?


I'm also not able to connect to our mail
server.  Is this an issue on our end or is Mailman experiencing problems?


If you can't connect to the mail server, that has nothing to do with
Mailman. The server is down or there is some problem with the MTA on
that server.


Is there anything to do about this?


Contact the people who admin/support your server.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list subscription issue

[Mark Sapiro]

dhanushka ranasinghe wrote:

to suscribe to the mailing list i send the mail to   list-requ...@lkx.com

Then i get the mail with confirmation string , then i just reply to
received mail with confirmation string in the subject line..


As a replay i get the  mail like this [1] ,  But other mailing list in the
same mailman gives the Welcome to mailing list message

any idea what i suppose to do to fix the problem.


The list which sends a results of your email commands message with

- Results:
   Confirmation succeeded

in response to your confirmation email is configured to not send a
welcome message. If you want to change this, set General Options -
send_welcome_message to Yes in the list's web admin interface.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List

[Mark Sapiro]

Ekesa Rhonnie wrote:

 I have a mailing list on my Cpanel, but I don't want to log in every time to
 release the mails
 
 Is there any automatic way to release the mails other than me as the admin
 having to log in now and then?


You need to adjust whatever list settings are causing the posts to be
held. What is the 'reason' (in the admindb interface and the notice to
the admin) why the post is held?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list probe message

[Mark Sapiro]

On 6/18/2010 11:01 AM, Lee Underwood wrote:
 Apologies if this problem has been dealt with before but I am unable
 to find an answer anywhere in the archives.
 
 I received an e-mail from a subscriber with the following message
 that he had received from our mailing list (sent by the list
 automatically). The message said, in part:
 
 == This is a probe message.  You can ignore this message.
 
 The Tmflist mailing list has received a number of bounces from you,
 indicating that there may be a problem delivering messages to
 knuts...@new.rr.com. A bounce sample is attached below.  Please
 examine this message to make sure there are no problems with your
 email address.  You may want to check with your mail administrator
 for more help.
 
 . ==


This is a bounce probe. Beginning with Mailman 2.1.5, the site has the
option (default in 2.1.5, but not in 2.1.6+) of sending bounce probes to
members who have bounced. This is controlled by the mm_cfg.py option
VERP_PROBES.

If VERP_PROBES = Yes, when a member's bounce score reaches the threshold
instead of disabling delivery and starting the
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings cycle, we reset the bounce score and
send a probe message like the above to the member with envelope from
listname-bounces+token@..., and only if and when the probe with a
token for that member bounces do we disable delivery and start the
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings cycle.


 I have never seen this before and, since our mailing list was set-up
 by the Web host, I'm not familiar with the set-up. I did see
 something about a probe in the archives but it was talking about
 something else. I'm concerned because the letter to the subscriber
 also contained his password, along with 121 other subscriber's e-mail
 addresses (the mailing list is over 8,000 subscribers).


The standard probe message does not contain the member's password. It
does contain the URL of the member's options page, but no password. If
the member's password was included, that would be because the host
service has modified their Mailman to include it.

The other subscriber addresses were presumably in the DSN that caused
the bounce that was attached to the probe.


 Any help would be appreciated. What is it that I am supposed to do to
 stop these e-mails being sent with the other addresses. (The list is
 a bit sensitive as far as who the subscribers are.) Thanks!


Tell the hosting service to set VERP_PROBES = No in mm_cfg.py. Also,
review your list's bounce processing settings since if the probe was
successfully delivered, this was apparently a transient bounce situation
(I can't say for sure without seeing the triggering DSN) and perhaps
bounce_score_threshold is too low or bounce_info_stale_after is too long
or both for this list.

Also, you might suggest to the host that if DSNs are being returned to
Mailman with 121 addresses, there might be some systemic email issue.
Again, without seeing the DSN, I don't know whether or not this is the case.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list probe message

[Mark Sapiro]

Mark Sapiro wrote:

The standard probe message does not contain the member's password. It
does contain the URL of the member's options page, but no password. If
the member's password was included, that would be because the host
service has modified their Mailman to include it.


The above is not correct. Prior to Mailman 2.1.7, the member's password
was included in the probe email.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list not sending to members

[Dennis V]

Further to my investigation, instead of mass subscribing 150 email
addresses, I just only subscribed about 60 or so email addresses and the
mail listing worked.

Does that mean there is some sort of hard cap on the mailman program? I am
using 2.1.12cp3

On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Dennis V dve...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi everyone!!

 A problem I came up with is that when I was playing around with about 5
 members on the list I was able to send out an email and the recipients were
 able to receive them too.

 However, when I added extra emails via mass subscription (approximately
 150 from an old emailing list) nothing would happen afterwards when I try to
 send off an email. Basically, I send off an email to the mailing list
 address but the recipients won't receive anything at all, not even the
 initial 5 addresses that were working previously.

 The only thing that has changed is that I've initially had 5 members which
 had no problem but as soon as I added the 150 the recipients the problem
 started.

 Any ideas?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list not sending to members

[Mark Sapiro]

Dennis V wrote:

Further to my investigation, instead of mass subscribing 150 email
addresses, I just only subscribed about 60 or so email addresses and the
mail listing worked.

Does that mean there is some sort of hard cap on the mailman program? I am
using 2.1.12cp3


There is a limit, but it is not imposed by Mailman. It is imposed
either intentionally or via misconfiguration by your hosting service's
mail system.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list

[Rob MacGregor]

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 16:55, King, Leslie ltk...@emory.edu wrote:
 Can your program work on a Mac?

Stick the word MacOS into the list search page:

 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

and you'll find many hits - the first (for me) of which includes a
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list

[Mark Sapiro]

King, Leslie wrote:

Can your program work on a Mac?

The short answer is yes.

See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/O4A9

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list

[Larry Stone]

On Mon, 25 Jan 2010, King, Leslie wrote:


Can your program work on a Mac?


You've already had a couple of answers. I have written (and it should be 
found in the archives) installation instructions for various recent 
versions of Mac OS X.


That said, and with no idea of what your expectations and capabilities 
are, it is not a piece of consumer software that you just copy on to your 
Macintosh and double-click. You will be turning your Macintosh into a 
server (no, you don't need to have Mac OS X Server), you will need a mail 
server running, you will be downloading the Mailman source and building it 
(requires Mac OS X Developer Tools), you will be modifying the 
internal web server on your computer, and you will need to modify system 
startup files (Mailman runs in the background). In short, you need to be a 
reasonably skilled system administrator.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list support

[Brian Carpenter]

 My question is can you tell me if there
 is
 someplace out there where we can create a mailing list?  I am a novice
 at
 the mailing list so I could very easily be using the wrong terms, not
 too
 sure.  What I am looking for is to create a list that our membership
 could
 subscribe and unsubscribe to through a secure web site that we could
 send
 out a monthly newsletter through and occasional other items.  Our
 current
 address is ny-glenlake.org http://www.ny-glenlake.org/ .  I try to
 keep
 this information as up to date as possible on our web site; however we
 have
 members who for various reasons are able to get e-mail but not look at
 web
 sites.
 
 Thank you in advance for any assistance that you might be able to
 provide.
 
 Terry Munk
 
 webmas...@ny-glenlake.org
 

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I would like to take the time to invite you to check out our mailman
services. I believe our service is exactly what you are looking for. You can
get more information about our mailman list hosting at
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list + message filter problem

[Filipe Zanluca Darós]

The address t...@test.com is not a list. It is just a pop3 email account.

They do appear in the archives at l...@test.com!

 Does 'l...@test.com' have any eligible recipients (non-digest members
 with delivery enabled and in some cases not an explicit addressee and
 not the poster).

Did not understand what you mean by that. But since I did not add any addresses 
I am guessing no.

 What's in Mailman's vette log.

I have no access to shell in server. I was not the one who installed Mailman. 
The administrator of that shell account does not know how to solve my problem 
so I looked for help myself.


Thank you!

Filipe.

 Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 08:40:28 -0700
 From: m...@msapiro.net
 To: fzanl...@hotmail.com; mailman-users@python.org
 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users]  Mailing list + message filter problem
 
 Filipe Daros wrote:
 
 For example: My main e-mail address is t...@test.com and I created a list:
 l...@test.com. I also created a message filter that forwards any e-mail sent
 to t...@test.com and has the word hello on it's subject to the list
 l...@test.com. 
 
 I tried changing generic_nonmember_action to accept but it still would hold
 the emails sent with that subject and the messages get held with the reason:
 Message has implicit destination.
 
 So again I tried changing require_explicit_destination to NO. But now when I
 send emails with that specific word on it's subject the e-mails seem to
 disappear.
 
 
 If I understand correctly, the problem is with the 'l...@test.com' list
 and the 't...@test.com' list works as expected.
 
 Also, if I understand, you have a process external to Mailman the sees
 a post to 't...@test.com' with 'hello' in the subject and forwards it
 to 'l...@test.com', and these posts were being held for implicit
 destination by the 'l...@test.com' list. You then set
 require_explicit_destination to NO on 'l...@test.com' which is one way
 to avoid the implicit destination hold, and now the posts forwarded
 to 'l...@test.com' just disappear.
 
 Do they appear in the archives of 'l...@test.com'?
 
 Does 'l...@test.com' have any eligible recipients (non-digest members
 with delivery enabled and in some cases not an explicit addressee and
 not the poster).
 
 What's in Mailman's vette log.
 
 See items 7, 8 and 9 in the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9 for
 other possibilities.
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list + message filter problem

[Filipe Zanluca Darós]

I had set myself as a member. I thought you meant otherwise.

I receive mails sent directly to the list, but not when messages get redirected 
by the filter.


 Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 17:33:51 -0700
 From: m...@msapiro.net
 To: fzanl...@hotmail.com; mailman-users@python.org
 Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users]  Mailing list + message filter problem
 
 Filipe Zanluca Darós wrote:
 
 The address t...@test.com is not a list. It is just a pop3 email account.
 
 They do appear in the archives at l...@test.com!
 
  Does 'l...@test.com' have any eligible recipients (non-digest members
  with delivery enabled and in some cases not an explicit addressee and
  not the poster).
 
 Did not understand what you mean by that. But since I did not add any 
 addresses I am guessing no.
 
 
 So there is no problem. The post was delivered to the list, accepted,
 archived and resent to all zero of the list members. Once there are
 some members, they will get it too.
 
 If your confusion is that you think the list owner should have received
 something, that is an incorrect thought. The list owner is not a list
 member unless explicitly added as a member and therefore does not
 receive copies of normal posts just by being the owner.
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list + message filter problem

[Mark Sapiro]

Filipe Zanluca Darós wrote:

I had set myself as a member. I thought you meant otherwise.

I receive mails sent directly to the list, but not when messages get 
redirected by the filter.


If the message is archived, and the list is otherwise working, then
Mailman has attempted the send the message to all the non-digest list
members with the following exceptions:

Any list member who has nodups set and whose address appears in To:
or Cc: of the message will not be sent a copy.

The poster (From: address) will not get a copy if the poster has not
metoo set.

If the list has topics defined and a member has subscribed to one or
more topics and the message matches an unsubscribed topic or no topic
if the member has not elected to receive 'non-matching' posts, the
member will not be sent a copy.

The poster will also not see a copy if the poster uses gmail/googlemail
- see http://wiki.list.org/x/2IA9.

If you are not receiving the post, and you are a non-digest member who
doesn't fall into one of the above categories, then I don't know what
the problem might be. If the problem is not one of the above, download
the raw archive from a URL like
http://www.example.com/mailman/private/list.mbox/list.mbox and find
a direct message that you did receive and a redirected message that
you didn't receive, and try to find some difference in the headers
that might explain this.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list + message filter problem

[Mark Sapiro]

Filipe Daros wrote:

For example: My main e-mail address is t...@test.com and I created a list:
l...@test.com. I also created a message filter that forwards any e-mail sent
to t...@test.com and has the word hello on it's subject to the list
l...@test.com. 

I tried changing generic_nonmember_action to accept but it still would hold
the emails sent with that subject and the messages get held with the reason:
Message has implicit destination.

So again I tried changing require_explicit_destination to NO. But now when I
send emails with that specific word on it's subject the e-mails seem to
disappear.


If I understand correctly, the problem is with the 'l...@test.com' list
and the 't...@test.com' list works as expected.

Also, if I understand, you have a process external to Mailman the sees
a post to 't...@test.com' with 'hello' in the subject and forwards it
to 'l...@test.com', and these posts were being held for implicit
destination by the 'l...@test.com' list. You then set
require_explicit_destination to NO on 'l...@test.com' which is one way
to avoid the implicit destination hold, and now the posts forwarded
to 'l...@test.com' just disappear.

Do they appear in the archives of 'l...@test.com'?

Does 'l...@test.com' have any eligible recipients (non-digest members
with delivery enabled and in some cases not an explicit addressee and
not the poster).

What's in Mailman's vette log.

See items 7, 8 and 9 in the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9 for
other possibilities.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list + message filter problem

[Mark Sapiro]

Filipe Zanluca Darós wrote:

The address t...@test.com is not a list. It is just a pop3 email account.

They do appear in the archives at l...@test.com!

 Does 'l...@test.com' have any eligible recipients (non-digest members
 with delivery enabled and in some cases not an explicit addressee and
 not the poster).

Did not understand what you mean by that. But since I did not add any 
addresses I am guessing no.


So there is no problem. The post was delivered to the list, accepted,
archived and resent to all zero of the list members. Once there are
some members, they will get it too.

If your confusion is that you think the list owner should have received
something, that is an incorrect thought. The list owner is not a list
member unless explicitly added as a member and therefore does not
receive copies of normal posts just by being the owner.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list + message filter problem

[Barry Finkel]

Filipe Daros fzanl...@hotmail.com wrote:

Does anyone know how to set up a Mailing list and make it accept
e-mails from anyone and also accept email from a forwarding rule within
the same domain?  For example: My main e-mail address is t...@test.com
and I created a list:  l...@test.com. I also created a message filter
that forwards any e-mail sent to t...@test.com and has the word hello
on it's subject to the list l...@test.com.

I tried changing generic_nonmember_action to accept but it still would
hold the emails sent with that subject and the messages get held with
the reason:  Message has implicit destination.

So again I tried changing require_explicit_destination to NO. But now
when I send emails with that specific word on it's subject the e-mails
seem to disappear.

Hope I was clear in my explanation and someone could help me.

What I would do is make

 t...@test.com

an acceptible_alias for

 l...@test.com

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List Template?

[Mark Sapiro]

Ivan Sanders wrote:

I am managing a dozen lists for my scout group, and wonder whether I can
point them all to a template configuration??

Basically, when I make changes I need to go through all the lists
separately, or if I create a new list, I need to go and make all the
changes to it from scratch.

Looking at some way of having a master configuration which all my
existing, and any new lists would point to..


This will be easier in Mailman 3. Currently, you need to get a list
configured as you like and save it's configuration with

bin/config_list -o file LISTNAME

Then you may want to edit file to remove some list specific things like
owner, moderator, description, info and subject_prefix. This then
becomes your template which you can apply to other lists with

bin/config_list -i file OTHERLISTNAME

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list servers ..

[Brad Knowles]

faisal anif wrote:


we make class A mail servers that will guarantee the delivery of yor
messages DIRECTLY to hotmail, yahoo, gmail and all other mail services..
no more messages stuck in the queue because the remote mail servers
refuses your mail ..

no matter how big your list is .. we guarantee its immediate delivery ..


Congratulations.  You just got yourself banned from the list because you 
spammed us.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list servers ..

[Adam McGreggor]

On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 09:48:12AM -0600, Grant Taylor wrote:
 On 02/03/09 09:29, Brad Knowles wrote:
 Congratulations.  You just got yourself banned from the list because you 
 spammed us.
 
 *Chuckle*

It was sending from an hotmail address that amused me, given the rest of
the content.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list servers ..

[Brian Carpenter]

 -Original Message-
 From: mailman-users-bounces+brian=emwd@python.org [mailto:mailman-
 users-bounces+brian=emwd@python.org] On Behalf Of Adam McGreggor
 Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 10:54 AM
 To: Grant Taylor
 Cc: Mail List - Mailman
 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list servers ..
 
 On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 09:48:12AM -0600, Grant Taylor wrote:
  On 02/03/09 09:29, Brad Knowles wrote:
  Congratulations.  You just got yourself banned from the list because
 you
  spammed us.
 
  *Chuckle*
 
 It was sending from an hotmail address that amused me, given the rest
 of
 the content.
 

Same here. He has also been active on a number of hosting forums posting the
same message.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list servers ..

[Grant Taylor]

On 02/03/09 14:14, Brian Carpenter wrote:
I have never come across such service providers nor have I come 
across large ISPs such as Yahoo.com and AOL.com offering such a 
program to other email providers. We have simply gotten our servers 
whitelisted with these large ISPs and made sure all of our mailman 
clients are legitimate. So our e-mails are being delivered quickly 
without having to resort to some of the rate limits techniques that 
some hosts impose on their mailing list clients.


These services (or something closer to what Brad described) do exist. 
However, I think what you have done is probably the more feasible way to 
get your email through more reliably than relying on some 3rd party to 
do some of the leg work for you.  I also think that the appearance of 
you doing the leg work ahead of time and being pro-active in working 
with large hosting providers makes you look better and more likely to be 
legit when you do have the inevitable problem (how ever big or small it is).




Grant. . . .
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list servers ..

[Grant Taylor]

On 02/03/09 13:13, Fil wrote:
Spam apart, does such a service exist?  A mail relay that works with 
major email providers to have the best delivery rates?


I believe there are indeed some services that utilize things like 
eStamps where a nominal fee per email is payed to help ensure that the 
message that you are sending is not spam.  Usually such service 
providers have agreements with large email providers indicating that 
they will heavily scrutinize their subscriber base and partially vouch 
for them that they will never send spam more than once, if that before 
they are no longer a subscriber.


So in a way this is sort of like a notary in such as there is a 3rd 
party vouching (if you will) for the sender.




Grant. . . .
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list servers ..

[Grant Taylor]

On 02/03/09 14:26, Brian Carpenter wrote:

Yeah just saw Brad's post after I sent mine.


No harm, no foul.  We are all human and if we are lucky we learn 
something every day.  :}




Grant. . . .
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list servers ..

[Brian Carpenter]

 -Original Message-
 From: mailman-users-bounces+brian=emwd@python.org [mailto:mailman-
 users-bounces+brian=emwd@python.org] On Behalf Of Grant Taylor
 Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 2:13 PM
 To: Mail List - Mailman
 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list servers ..
 
 On 02/03/09 13:13, Fil wrote:
  Spam apart, does such a service exist?  A mail relay that works with
  major email providers to have the best delivery rates?
 
 I believe there are indeed some services that utilize things like
 eStamps where a nominal fee per email is payed to help ensure that the
 message that you are sending is not spam.  Usually such service
 providers have agreements with large email providers indicating that
 they will heavily scrutinize their subscriber base and partially vouch
 for them that they will never send spam more than once, if that before
 they are no longer a subscriber.
 
 So in a way this is sort of like a notary in such as there is a 3rd
 party vouching (if you will) for the sender.
 
 
 
 Grant. . . .

I have never come across such service providers nor have I come across large
ISPs such as Yahoo.com and AOL.com offering such a program to other email
providers. We have simply gotten our servers whitelisted with these large
ISPs and made sure all of our mailman clients are legitimate. So our e-mails
are being delivered quickly without having to resort to some of the rate
limits techniques that some hosts impose on their mailing list clients.


Regards,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list servers ..

[Brian Carpenter]

 -Original Message-
 From: mailman-users-bounces+brian=emwd@python.org [mailto:mailman-
 users-bounces+brian=emwd@python.org] On Behalf Of Grant Taylor
 Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:15 PM
 To: Mail List - Mailman
 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list servers ..
 
 On 02/03/09 14:14, Brian Carpenter wrote:
  I have never come across such service providers nor have I come
  across large ISPs such as Yahoo.com and AOL.com offering such a
  program to other email providers. We have simply gotten our servers
  whitelisted with these large ISPs and made sure all of our mailman
  clients are legitimate. So our e-mails are being delivered quickly
  without having to resort to some of the rate limits techniques that
  some hosts impose on their mailing list clients.
 
 These services (or something closer to what Brad described) do exist.
 However, I think what you have done is probably the more feasible way
 to
 get your email through more reliably than relying on some 3rd party to
 do some of the leg work for you.  I also think that the appearance of
 you doing the leg work ahead of time and being pro-active in working
 with large hosting providers makes you look better and more likely to
 be
 legit when you do have the inevitable problem (how ever big or small it
 is).
 
 
 
 Grant. . . .
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Yeah just saw Brad's post after I sent mine.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list servers ..

[Fil]

Spam apart, does such a service exist?  A mail relay that works with
major email providers to have the best delivery rates?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list servers ..

[Brad Knowles]

Fil wrote:


Spam apart, does such a service exist?  A mail relay that works with
major email providers to have the best delivery rates?


If you sign up for service with a company like ReturnPath, they have a whole 
list of guidelines that you need to follow in order to be on their 
SenderScoreCertified list.  They also have partnerships with a number of 
large providers, so that anyone on the SenderScoreCertified list gets a big 
improvement in their spam score, and thus you are much more likely to be 
able to get through the spam filters to the recipients.


People can still complain about you, you continue to use the existing 
services that you already have, and there aren't any guarantees as to how 
many people you will be able to reach.  However, you will need to stay on 
your toes to keep your lists ultra-clean, otherwise you will have more 
problems than you know what to do with.



Any e-mail service provider that claims to give you guarantees of 
deliverability, etc... are just blowing smoke up your ... nether regions. 
That's a get-rich-quick scheme of the spammers.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list filtered as spam

[Brad Knowles]

On 6/26/08, jeff zemla wrote:


 Really, I have no problem sending e-mails from my domain because I do
 that through Gmail.


Keep in mind that spammers have hacked the CAPTCHAs for hotmail, 
yahoo, and gmail, and they are aggressively using these services to 
send out their spam.  About half of the traffic we see from Yahoo is 
actually spam coming from compromised or bogus accounts.


The situation with gmail is even worse -- not only in terms of 
numbers, but also in terms of what they're being used for. 
Unfortunately, a disproportionate amount of phishing comes from gmail.


So, while we might exempt Yahoo from our reputation-based filtering 
and filter their messages based on content only, we are much more 
loathe to do that for Gmail, because phishing is so much harder to 
detect.



Note that this is for my current employer, one of the largest public 
research universties in the world, with ~50,000 students and ~20,000 
faculty and staff, and we run the anti-spam filtering for pretty much 
the entire campus through our Ironport e-mail security appliances.


We're throwing away ~97% of all inbound e-mail as almost certainly 
being spam, with about another ~1% being filtered out due to 
content.  That leaves millions of messages a day that make it through 
the system, and yahoo and gmail are, by far, our biggest 
correspondent sites.


Now imagine what would happen if we were forced to exempt gmail from 
our reputation filtering.




So, are you directly affected by any of this?  Maybe, maybe not.

Are you likely to get caught up and washed away in the spam flood of 
biblical proportions, in part due to your choice in providers?  Yes.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list filtered as spam

[Dragon]

jeff zemla sent the message below at 08:05 6/26/2008:

Hi all,
I tried searching the archives for a solution to my problem but couldn't
find anything.  My apologies if this has been answered 100 times before.

I bought a new domain through hostgator.com and they have Mailman installed
so I can set up a mailing list.  I've used mailman before through my
University and never had a problem with requests being filtered as spam.

Basically, when I try to add an e-mail account to the mailing list, it goes
into my Gmail spam box.  I don't know why this would happen, as my domain
has never been used for anything before, so no one could have possibly
reported it as spam.  The header is as follows:

from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
date: Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 2:16 PM
subject: Welcome to the Artists mailing list
mailing list: artists_domain.com.
mailed-by: domain.com

Where domain.com is my domain, artists is the name of the list, and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] is the person I add to the list.

I have tried altering the content of the message, but nothing seems to work,
which leads me to believe it is being flagged as spam based on where it
originates from.  But seeing as the website has no content on it (just a
line of text that says Things will be here shortly) i dont know why gmail
would have a preconceived notion that it's a spamming site.

Any ideas?

 End original message. -

It is quite possible that the ISP you are using has hosted domains 
that were a problem and gmail is filtering on the fact that your 
domain is hosted in their IP address block.


It is also quite possible that they are being quite draconian about 
the content of the message.


Either way, the only way you will know for certain what is happening 
is if you contact their technical support (if you can actually get an 
answer out of them, they may well ignore your request too).



Dragon

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list filtered as spam

[Brian Carpenter]

 Hi all,
 I tried searching the archives for a solution to my problem but
 couldn't
 find anything.  My apologies if this has been answered 100 times
 before.
 
 I bought a new domain through hostgator.com and they have Mailman
 installed
 so I can set up a mailing list.  I've used mailman before through my
 University and never had a problem with requests being filtered as
 spam.

You should contact Hostgator's tech support regarding this. What is the IP
address of your hosting account?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list filtered as spam

[Brad Knowles]

jeff zemla wrote:


I have tried altering the content of the message, but nothing seems to work,
which leads me to believe it is being flagged as spam based on where it
originates from.  But seeing as the website has no content on it (just a
line of text that says Things will be here shortly) i dont know why gmail
would have a preconceived notion that it's a spamming site.


This is one problem with reputation-based systems for detecting potential 
spam.  You may have a nearby network neighbor that is responsible for 
generating a lot of spam (which seems likely, seeing as you say you bought 
the domain from hostgator.com).


Or, the IP address you were assigned may have been used by spammers before 
it was re-assigned to you.


There are a whole host of other reputational issues that you may be dealing 
with, but this should give you some idea.



Fixing a tarnished reputation is hard.  Very hard.  Spammers don't care, 
since they just move on to somewhere else.  But for the rest of us, it's a 
real pain.


In the case of the first problem mentioned above (guilt by association), 
you're probably being caught by a blacklist that covers whole networks of 
machines, and there may not be any way for you to get off these blacklists. 
 If you're on an IP-address specific blacklist, you may be able to get your 
provider to issue you a new address that is not blacklisted, or you may be 
able to get those blacklist owners to update their list to remove your address.


Another option would be to move your domain and services to another 
provider, one that is much less friendly to spammers, and avoids both of the 
problems mentioned above.



You could potentially sign up for service with a company like Habeas (for 
their Safe List service) or Return Path (for their Sender Score 
Certified service).  If you're a small non-profit, they'll charge you a 
one-time fee, examine how your systems are set up and that you meet all 
appropriate best practices requirements, and then that will be that.


If you're not a small non-profit, they'll do the same thing for you, but 
they'll charge you an annual fee.


Habeas has the better reputation in the business, but is more expensive. 
Both are supported out-of-the-box with SpamAssassin, so they'll not only 
help you with all of the other customers with whom they have existing 
contracts and use the Habeas Safe List as a whitelist for incoming e-mail, 
but will also help you with anyone who runs a relatively generic install of 
SpamAssassin.


Again, Habeas helps with sites running SpamAssassin more than Return Path, 
by improving your score by a full 8.0 points instead of just 4.0 points, and 
many sites run with 10.0 points being a guaranteed non-spam message, and 5.0 
being a probable non-spam message.



Any ideas?


And way you look at it, it sounds like you've got a lot of work ahead of you.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list filtered as spam

[jeff zemla]

Thanks Brian and Brad.  Thankfully the solution was not so painful.  I
e-mail Hostgator, explained the situation, and asked if I could be moved to
a different server/ip address.

They got back to me quickly, saying:

I have installed something called DomainKeys on your domains which helps
prevent free email services like yahoo and gmail from marking emails from a
domain as spam.

And he told me a few other things in case that didn't work.  But wouldn't
you know it, it worked perfectly!

So for anyone else on shared hosting who may run into this problem--tell
your host to install DomainKeys!

Thanks again guys!

Jeff



On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 8:21 PM, Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 jeff zemla wrote:

  I have tried altering the content of the message, but nothing seems to
 work,
 which leads me to believe it is being flagged as spam based on where it
 originates from.  But seeing as the website has no content on it (just a
 line of text that says Things will be here shortly) i dont know why
 gmail
 would have a preconceived notion that it's a spamming site.


 This is one problem with reputation-based systems for detecting potential
 spam.  You may have a nearby network neighbor that is responsible for
 generating a lot of spam (which seems likely, seeing as you say you bought
 the domain from hostgator.com).

 Or, the IP address you were assigned may have been used by spammers before
 it was re-assigned to you.

 There are a whole host of other reputational issues that you may be dealing
 with, but this should give you some idea.


 Fixing a tarnished reputation is hard.  Very hard.  Spammers don't care,
 since they just move on to somewhere else.  But for the rest of us, it's a
 real pain.

 In the case of the first problem mentioned above (guilt by association),
 you're probably being caught by a blacklist that covers whole networks of
 machines, and there may not be any way for you to get off these blacklists.
  If you're on an IP-address specific blacklist, you may be able to get your
 provider to issue you a new address that is not blacklisted, or you may be
 able to get those blacklist owners to update their list to remove your
 address.

 Another option would be to move your domain and services to another
 provider, one that is much less friendly to spammers, and avoids both of the
 problems mentioned above.


 You could potentially sign up for service with a company like Habeas (for
 their Safe List service) or Return Path (for their Sender Score
 Certified service).  If you're a small non-profit, they'll charge you a
 one-time fee, examine how your systems are set up and that you meet all
 appropriate best practices requirements, and then that will be that.

 If you're not a small non-profit, they'll do the same thing for you, but
 they'll charge you an annual fee.

 Habeas has the better reputation in the business, but is more expensive.
 Both are supported out-of-the-box with SpamAssassin, so they'll not only
 help you with all of the other customers with whom they have existing
 contracts and use the Habeas Safe List as a whitelist for incoming e-mail,
 but will also help you with anyone who runs a relatively generic install of
 SpamAssassin.

 Again, Habeas helps with sites running SpamAssassin more than Return Path,
 by improving your score by a full 8.0 points instead of just 4.0 points, and
 many sites run with 10.0 points being a guaranteed non-spam message, and 5.0
 being a probable non-spam message.

  Any ideas?


 And way you look at it, it sounds like you've got a lot of work ahead of
 you.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list filtered as spam

[Brad Knowles]

jeff zemla wrote:


So for anyone else on shared hosting who may run into this problem--tell
your host to install DomainKeys!


DomainKeys, DKIM, SenderID, CallerID, and SPF pretty much all fall into the 
same bucket.


See my take on SPF at 
http://bradknowles.typepad.com/considered_harmful/2004/05/spf.html.  What 
was true when I wrote this in 2004 is still true today.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list filtered as spam

[jeff zemla]

Hmm I really don't know that much about this stuff.  Does this really affect
me?  I'm not looking for the be all end all of spam, as you say.  At
least, not spam at large.

Really, I have no problem sending e-mails from my domain because I do that
through Gmail.

The only time when my mail gets filtered as Spam is when I send out messages
on my announce-only mailing list.  So as long as it continues to keep my
announcements out of users' spam boxes, I'm happy.

Should I be worried?

Thanks,
Jeff



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wrote:

 jeff zemla wrote:

  So for anyone else on shared hosting who may run into this problem--tell
 your host to install DomainKeys!


 DomainKeys, DKIM, SenderID, CallerID, and SPF pretty much all fall into the
 same bucket.

 See my take on SPF at 
 http://bradknowles.typepad.com/considered_harmful/2004/05/spf.html.  What
 was true when I wrote this in 2004 is still true today.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list filtered as spam

[Mark Sapiro]

jeff zemla wrote:

Hmm I really don't know that much about this stuff.  Does this really affect
me?  I'm not looking for the be all end all of spam, as you say.  At
least, not spam at large.


Yes. It may well affect you.


Really, I have no problem sending e-mails from my domain because I do that
through Gmail.

The only time when my mail gets filtered as Spam is when I send out messages
on my announce-only mailing list.  So as long as it continues to keep my
announcements out of users' spam boxes, I'm happy.

Should I be worried?


The addition of DKIM or domain keys to your outbound list mail clearly
helps get your mail through to those direct recipients whose services
like gmail or yahoo check DKIM or domainkey signatures and treat mail
with valid signatures favorably.

Since yours is an announce only list, you don't have to worry about the
signatures on incoming mail being invalidated by things the list does
to the message.

The problem in your case is when [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribes
to your list and alumni.example.edu, which is just a forwarding
service, forwards that mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], the signature may
now be invalid because the IP that the message came to gmail from is
that of alumni.example.com, not your IP that signed the mail or
because of other transformations to the message by the forwarding
service. Gmail may consider this to be worse than if the mail was
unsigned.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list filtered as spam

[jeff zemla]

Hmm...  My @rutgers.edu and @princeton.edu e-mail addresses both forward to
my Gmail and work fine.

But I do understand the issue now.  I guess I'll just have to see how it
goes...

Thank you for the heads up!

Jeff



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 jeff zemla wrote:

 Hmm I really don't know that much about this stuff.  Does this really
 affect
 me?  I'm not looking for the be all end all of spam, as you say.  At
 least, not spam at large.


 Yes. It may well affect you.


 Really, I have no problem sending e-mails from my domain because I do that
 through Gmail.
 
 The only time when my mail gets filtered as Spam is when I send out
 messages
 on my announce-only mailing list.  So as long as it continues to keep my
 announcements out of users' spam boxes, I'm happy.
 
 Should I be worried?


 The addition of DKIM or domain keys to your outbound list mail clearly
 helps get your mail through to those direct recipients whose services
 like gmail or yahoo check DKIM or domainkey signatures and treat mail
 with valid signatures favorably.

 Since yours is an announce only list, you don't have to worry about the
 signatures on incoming mail being invalidated by things the list does
 to the message.

 The problem in your case is when [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribes
 to your list and alumni.example.edu, which is just a forwarding
 service, forwards that mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], the signature may
 now be invalid because the IP that the message came to gmail from is
 that of alumni.example.com, not your IP that signed the mail or
 because of other transformations to the message by the forwarding
 service. Gmail may consider this to be worse than if the mail was
 unsigned.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list with no archive

[Mark Sapiro]

Laura Creighton wrote:


A mailing list that I am subscribed to, for reasons of privacy, has decided
to not archive its messages.  I think this is an extremely silly idea, but
right now out of my control.  My problem is that periodically I think I
remember something useful having been posted there, and want to search the
non-existant archives -- because I forget they do not exist.

The first erroneous piece of information I get is 'this archive is only
searchable by list members'.  So I try to log in to read the list, and
despite typing my correct password, things fail with 'Authorization
Failed' rather than letting me discover that there were no archives to
be found.  So you assume you haven't reset your password for this mailing
list to one of the several you are in the habit of using, and ask for
a password reminder -- to find out that all of this has been a complete
waste of time because your problem is that there is no archive, not
that you mistyped your password.

So -- is this just a bug -- should I report it -- or is this list
misconfigured?  I can ask the list maintainer to change things if there
is a way we can avoid this.



I can't duplicate this problem. What Mailman version hosts this list? 
Are you sure you are logging in with the exact email address that is 
subscribed to the list?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list with no archive

[Laura Creighton]

In a message of Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:38:36 PDT, Mark Sapiro writes:
Laura Creighton wrote:
 
 A mailing list that I am subscribed to, for reasons of privacy, has dec
ided
 to not archive its messages.  I think this is an extremely silly idea, 
but
 right now out of my control.  My problem is that periodically I think I
 remember something useful having been posted there, and want to search 
the
 non-existant archives -- because I forget they do not exist.
 
 The first erroneous piece of information I get is 'this archive is only
 searchable by list members'.  So I try to log in to read the list, and
 despite typing my correct password, things fail with 'Authorization
 Failed' rather than letting me discover that there were no archives to
 be found.  So you assume you haven't reset your password for this maili
ng
 list to one of the several you are in the habit of using, and ask for
 a password reminder -- to find out that all of this has been a complete
 waste of time because your problem is that there is no archive, not
 that you mistyped your password.
 
 So -- is this just a bug -- should I report it -- or is this list
 misconfigured?  I can ask the list maintainer to change things if there
 is a way we can avoid this.


I can't duplicate this problem. What Mailman version hosts this list? 
Are you sure you are logging in with the exact email address that is 
subscribed to the list?

Mailman version 2.1.9, and yes the email address is the same.

Laura

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list commands being limited?

[Brian Herold]

Hmm, the problem of our lists not being fully populated with members must lie 
elsewhere.  Thanks for the info on the autoresponse message though!
 
Brian
 
Brian Herold / Internet Applications Developer
Department of Medicine / University of Wisconsin 

 Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/14/2008 8:48 PM 
Brian Herold wrote:

We have an automated system that programmatically adds users to lists using 
the email command functionality (subscribe nodigest address=$theemailaddress). 
 Though, some of the lists are large and occasionally we get the returned 
email response:
 
We have received a message from your address [EMAIL PROTECTED]' 
requesting an automated response from the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list.  We have seen 10 such
messages from you today.  In order to avoid problems such as mail
loops between email robots, we will not be sending you any further
email responses today.  Please try again tomorrow.
 
If you believe this message is in error, or if you have any questions,
please contact the list owner at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
*Note that I renamed the sending and list email addresses.
 
Is there some limit that's being triggered causing this message, and what can 
I do to prevent it?


The limit is MAX_AUTORESPONSES_PER_DAY which defaults to 10. It can be
set lower or higher, and it can be set to 0 for no limit, but note
that if you set it either to 0 or a large value, your server can be
used a spam reflector or for 'Joe Jobbing'.

Note however that the subscribe command(s) are still processed even
though the 10th one gets the above response and the remainder get no
response.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list commands being limited?

[Mark Sapiro]

Brian Herold wrote

Hmm, the problem of our lists not being fully populated with members must lie 
elsewhere.


I was going to ask if your subscribe_policy involves confirmation
thinking that perhaps the subscribees weren't confirming, but I think
it must not because if it did, the autoresponses would be the
confirmations sent to the users and you presumably wouldn't be seeing
the last autoresponse notices.

I did however look back at your original post and I saw the subscribe
command was

  subscribe nodigest address=$theemailaddress

While this works, it doesn't do what you think. I'm going to fix this
for 2.1.10, but currently, the above command will subscribe the user
in the default digest mode with a password of 'nodigest'.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list commands being limited?

[Mark Sapiro]

Brian Herold wrote:

We have an automated system that programmatically adds users to lists using 
the email command functionality (subscribe nodigest address=$theemailaddress). 
 Though, some of the lists are large and occasionally we get the returned 
email response:
 
We have received a message from your address [EMAIL PROTECTED]' 
requesting an automated response from the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list.  We have seen 10 such
messages from you today.  In order to avoid problems such as mail
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list continues to lock

[Mark Sapiro]

Matt Zimmermanwrote:

I am using mailman 2.1.8. We seemed to have a issue today with messages
being queued up in the qfiles/in. After looking more into it it seems like
one of the mailing lists and the qrunner was locked. So I removed the both
locks. But they continued to lock up. So I brute force removed all of the
locks until the messages were dequeued. The messages seem not to be queuing
any more and the qrunner is not locking. The mailing list is still locking
though. The lock logs from earlier in the day say unexpected linkcount:-1.
Any Ideas?


Not all locks should be removed.

See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.076.htp.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List - people say their e-mails neverappear

[Mark Sapiro]

Patrick M.wrote:

Please forgive me, as I'm very new to Mailman.  While I know my way 
around Postfix, troubleshooting Mailman is another issue.  I can see 
that e-mail gets sent and delivered to the particular mailing list in 
question, but sometimes people tell me their e-mails never get posted to 
the mailing list.  Other people say they submit their post, and it 
eventually gets there, after 10 or so minutes.

Since I don't know how to troubleshoot Mailman, I can only suspect that 
is has something to do with the NFS, although another part of me is 
telling me that it can't be.

Can you folks push me in the right direction?  What should I be 
troubleshooting?  Is there anything I can provide so that you folks can 
help me troubleshoot further?


Brad has given lots of good advice already in this thread including a
reference to
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.078.htp.
I want to emphasise that, as the thread seems to be concentrating more
on NFS.

In particular, look at Mailman's 'smtp' log and correlate that with
your MTA logs. Normally, you will see in your MTA log that a post has
been delivered to Mailman at some time and then you will see an entry
Mailman's 'smtp' log  x seconds later which says message-id
smtp for n recips, completed in y seconds. Normally x is only slightly
larger (less than 2 seconds) than y. y is the time for all the SMTP
transactions to deliver the mail to the n list recipients, and y-x is
the sum of the times the message was queued in Mailman's in and out
queues and Mailman's non-SMTP processing time.

Also, are the 'missing' posts in the list's archive? Do the delayed
posts appear in the archive without delay?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List - people say their e-mails never appear

[Patrick M.]

Brad Knowles wrote:
 On 9/5/07, Patrick M. wrote:

  I just installed Mailman on our load balanced Postfix servers.  Both
  servers share a common NFS point.

 Did you install it on all of them, or just one?  When you say they 
 share a common NFS point, are you trying to use NFS for the postfix 
 mail queue (which is a really, really bad idea), or just for the user 
 mailboxes (which is also usually a bad idea, although it can be made 
 somewhat less bad if you choose a mailbox format that is less 
 NFS-unfriendly)?

 Mailman itself is about as NFS-friendly as can be reasonably done, but 
 that still leaves a lot of room for problems.  Many of the other parts 
 of most mail systems are much, much less NFS-friendly than Mailman.

  Please forgive me, as I'm very new to Mailman.  While I know my way
  around Postfix, troubleshooting Mailman is another issue.

 When troubleshooting Mailman, you generally want to start with the 
 steps outlined in FAQ 4.78 at 
 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.078.htp. 
 You should also search the FAQ Wizard for other things that might be 
 related to your problems, and you should also search the archives.

  Since I don't know how to troubleshoot Mailman, I can only suspect that
  is has something to do with the NFS, although another part of me is
  telling me that it can't be.

 If NFS is involved anywhere in the picture, odds of Mr. Murphy raising 
 his nasty head have been increased by many, many orders of magnitude.

 That said, there are occasionally times when such a system has 
 problems that are actually unrelated to NFS.


Thanks for the detailed explanation.  One thing to mention is that this 
mail server is pushing close to 1 million e-mails a day, and has no 
issues with that whatsoever.  Both mail servers mount the /home for the 
usernames, and everything is stored in Maildir.  I'm almost positive 
there are no issues with NFS itself, as all other mail works just fine.  
Mailman is installed on both mail servers.  /usr/lib/mailman is NOT NFS 
mounted (meaning its installed on both machines), however I've NFS 
mounted the /var/lib/mailman directory, where all the lists and such are.

Now, with that being said, you mentioned that Mailman can be unfriendly 
when placed in an NFS environment.  How can I test to see that it is an 
NFS issue with Mailman?

I'll take a look at those docs and reply back to here.  Thanks again.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List - people say their e-mails never appear

[Brad Knowles]

On 9/6/07, Patrick M. wrote:

  Thanks for the detailed explanation.  One thing to mention is that this
  mail server is pushing close to 1 million e-mails a day, and has no
  issues with that whatsoever.

I was the Sr. Internet Mail Admin for AOL.  We regularly did several 
million mail messages per day, after filtering out 95-99% of the 
incoming flood as spam.  One thing I learned is that, many times when 
you have a problem, it's with a part where you think everything is 
okay.

I'm not saying that I'm definite you're wrong about this, I'm just 
saying that you shouldn't necessarily be making any assumptions about 
where your problems lie, but you should instead be prepared to 
measure and be certain.

Both mail servers mount the /home for
  the usernames, and everything is stored in Maildir.  I'm almost positive
  there are no issues with NFS itself, as all other mail works just fine.

One line I frequently hear is It works just fine in Windows, so 
obviously your Unix box must be broken.  Riight.


Sorry, this is a pet peeve of mine, especially when it comes to 
something like Maildir.

Part of the problem is that Maildir does a number of things that are 
not necessary in order to solve the problem(s) it was trying to 
solve, and it doesn't fully solve even those issues.  Meanwhile, it 
introduces a whole host of new issues, and this makes Maildir a much 
less than ideal solution for the problem.

There are other mailbox directory solutions which really do resolve 
the issues in question and without introducing a whole host of new 
problems to deal with.

Again, I'm not saying you should be forced to switch, just that you 
should be aware of the potential issues with your chosen solution, 
and you should be able to fully troubleshoot and deal with those 
problems.

  Mailman is installed on both mail servers.  /usr/lib/mailman is NOT
  NFS mounted (meaning its installed on both machines), however I've NFS
  mounted the /var/lib/mailman directory, where all the lists and such are.

This is sounding like a binary package install version of Mailman. 
That's not where we put things in the source version from the 
gnu.org/lists.org website.

In our version, you can put all of /usr/local/mailman on NFS, and as 
well as NFS can be made to work for anything, it should work for 
Mailman.  This includes the Mailman queues as well as the archives, 
the source code, the compiled-on-demand object code, the whole 
kitten-and-caboodle.

  Now, with that being said, you mentioned that Mailman can be unfriendly
  when placed in an NFS environment.  How can I test to see that it is an
  NFS issue with Mailman?

It's not Mailman per se.  It's *anything* on NFS.  Mailman will work 
about as well on NFS as anything else can possibly work on NFS, but 
simply throwing NFS into the mix is likely to cause a whole host of 
new issues that you're going to have to deal with that other site 
administrators might not.

These aren't Mailman problems per se, but NFS problems that cause 
problems with applications running on NFS, such as Mailman.


Now, your NFS server will have a huge impact on what problems you see 
and what tools you have available to you to help resolve those.

Generally speaking, if you're using high-end equipment like Network 
Appliance, EMC, or Hitachi Data Systems, then if you have any 
problems you should be talking to your account representative and 
your support team.  They're going to know much more about your 
hardware than we do, and they should know enough about your 
application to be useful.

NetApp, EMC, and HDS have gotten their stuff down to the point where 
Oracle actually certifies their products as being suitable for use on 
these servers, whereas Oracle explicitly rules out any support for 
their products on other NFS servers.  There's a reason for this.

So, the hardware you have available to you will have a huge impact on 
your systems.

  I'll take a look at those docs and reply back to here.  Thanks again.

If you have specific questions, please let us know.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List - people say their e-mails never appear

[Brad Knowles]

On 9/5/07, Patrick M. wrote:

  I just installed Mailman on our load balanced Postfix servers.  Both
  servers share a common NFS point.

Did you install it on all of them, or just one?  When you say they 
share a common NFS point, are you trying to use NFS for the postfix 
mail queue (which is a really, really bad idea), or just for the user 
mailboxes (which is also usually a bad idea, although it can be made 
somewhat less bad if you choose a mailbox format that is less 
NFS-unfriendly)?

Mailman itself is about as NFS-friendly as can be reasonably done, 
but that still leaves a lot of room for problems.  Many of the other 
parts of most mail systems are much, much less NFS-friendly than 
Mailman.

  Please forgive me, as I'm very new to Mailman.  While I know my way
  around Postfix, troubleshooting Mailman is another issue.

When troubleshooting Mailman, you generally want to start with the 
steps outlined in FAQ 4.78 at 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.078.htp. 
You should also search the FAQ Wizard for other things that might be 
related to your problems, and you should also search the archives.

  Since I don't know how to troubleshoot Mailman, I can only suspect that
  is has something to do with the NFS, although another part of me is
  telling me that it can't be.

If NFS is involved anywhere in the picture, odds of Mr. Murphy 
raising his nasty head have been increased by many, many orders of 
magnitude.

That said, there are occasionally times when such a system has 
problems that are actually unrelated to NFS.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list issue

[Mark Sapiro]

Jeff Williams wrote:

Well... I am a recipient to both of these lists, and this is why I can see
the change. Why would my pop client change or rewrite *any* address let
alone one of these but not the other?


Ask Bill Gates :-)


 It appears that both lists are anonymous. Shop Talk in the From: of
 the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list comes from the description
 setting on the list's General Options page. If this is set on the
 other list, and it is the same Mailman, I don't know why the From:
 would be different.

As far as I can tell, all of the settings are identical.


I don't understand why there is no 'real name' (from the list's
description) in the From: address of the [EMAIL PROTECTED]
posts.

I also don't understand why one list would get the (sent by
[EMAIL PROTECTED]) added and the other not, but
mailman is not adding this to either list's posts. Both list's posts
are sent by the corresponding -bounces address and contain Sender: and
Errors-To: headers with the -bounces address.

Sometimes outgoing MTAs rewrite From: headers if the domain in From: is
a CNAME, but I looked at your DNS entries and that is not the case here

I don't understand just where this From: is getting munged and what is
causing it and why it happens only to one list, but I'm sure it is not
Mailman that's doing it.

Are these two domains treated differently by the outgoing MTA?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list issue

[Mark Sapiro]

Jeff Williams wrote:

I have two different mailing lists on two different domains. One has been in
operation for some time ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and the other is new
([EMAIL PROTECTED])


Are these domains served by the same Mailman installation?


The new rockhound list is doing something that is causing me fits.

The From address looks like this:

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (sent by
[EMAIL PROTECTED])

On my Identity list, it simply looks like this:

From: Shop Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The added header information (sent by [EMAIL PROTECTED])
is really interfering with people's ability to receive messages as spam
software seems to be grabbing these emails. I have compared preferences for
both sites, and I don't know what is different.


The added information is probably added by the recipient's mail client,
not by Mailman. See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq02.003.htp
although your symptom seems somewhat different.


It appears that both lists are anonymous. Shop Talk in the From: of
the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list comes from the description
setting on the list's General Options page. If this is set on the
other list, and it is the same Mailman, I don't know why the From:
would be different.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list issue

[Jeff Williams]

 I have two different mailing lists on two different domains. One has been in
 operation for some time ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and the other is new
 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 
 Are these domains served by the same Mailman installation?

Yes.


 The added header information (sent by [EMAIL PROTECTED])
 is really interfering with people's ability to receive messages as spam
 software seems to be grabbing these emails. I have compared preferences for
 both sites, and I don't know what is different.

 The added information is probably added by the recipient's mail client,
 not by Mailman. See
 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq02.003.htp
 although your symptom seems somewhat different.

Well... I am a recipient to both of these lists, and this is why I can see
the change. Why would my pop client change or rewrite *any* address let
alone one of these but not the other?


 It appears that both lists are anonymous. Shop Talk in the From: of
 the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list comes from the description
 setting on the list's General Options page. If this is set on the
 other list, and it is the same Mailman, I don't know why the From:
 would be different.

As far as I can tell, all of the settings are identical.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List Configuration Files

[Aaron Todd]

Mark,

Just in cast you want to make note of this or for any future readers who 
are looking for the same thing...the location of mailman under a cPanel 
install is in

/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman

After figuring that out running the config_list -o command worked 
perfect.  The only other problem I had was with the list name.  I first 
tried the name if the list without the domain name and it would not 
accept it.  I then tried it with the domain, but also with the @ 
symbol.   That wasn't accepted either.  I then tried using the 
underscore in place of the @ like it is shown in the mailman admin and 
it outputted exactly what I wanted. 

Thanks again for your help.

Aaron Todd

Mark Sapiro wrote:
 Thanks for the information, but I do not seem to have the config_list 
 file in the bin directory.  Could it be somewhere else?  I have full 
 root access to my server and it has been set up with the cPanel WHM 
 system.  I am unsure if they store the list information in a different 
 location.
 


 This would be in Mailman's bin/ directory, not the system /bin/
 directory. See
 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq06.011.htp
 re cPanel.

 I don't know where Mailman's files are in a cPanel installation, but
 without the command line tools in Mailman's bin/ directory and the
 ability to run them, there's no easier way to compare list
 configurations than by manually going through the web pages.

 I suppose if you had really good tools on a local work station to
 'screen scrape' the web interface, you could try to automate it that
 way, but without some really good tools, I think this would be more
 effort than it's worth.

   

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List Configuration Files

[Mark Sapiro]

Aaron Todd wrote:

I manage about ten different lists that all need to have almost the 
exact set of settings.  The main difference between each one is the 
name.  Is there a configuration file for each list that I can compare 
rather than comparing the settings of each web page in the admin interface.


You can compare the outputs from 'bin/config_list -o' and you can use
this output with the list specific stuff removed as input to
'bin/config_list -i' to configure another list.

See 'bin/config_list --help'

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List subscriptions are 'frozen'

[Mark Sapiro]

Derek Cicero wrote:

We've been running mailman 2.1.4 on Solaris for about 2 years and in the 
last week the subscription confirmations have seemingly stopped being 
sent to users.


What is the setting for Privacy options...-Subscription
rules-subscribe_policy?

Is VirginRunner running? See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.014.htp
section 1)b).


In looking at the subscription log, it's only been able 
to process 11 new subscriptions today, vs. 5000 pending ones.

Now, the 5000+ subscription requests seems odd, since that would match 
the total number of subscribers to all lists, so I assume those are 
attempts by spam-subscribers.


What do the log entries say?


Do we need to dump out the confirmation 
queue? Does mailman eventually get full of bad (spam) sign-up attempts?


The confirmation cookies expire after mm_cfg.PENDING_REQUEST_LIFE
(default 3 days) and are removed.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List Error

[Mark Sapiro]

Peter Nyamukusa wrote:

We recently installed mailmain running on FreeBSD with Vexim and I am getting 
the error below on one of the mailing lists, all the others are working 
perfectly


2006-11-13 12:01:52 1GjYdU-000IrF-DS ** |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post 
users [EMAIL PROTECTED]: retry timeout exceeded
2006-11-13 12:01:52 1GjYdU-000IrH-Ei == |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post 
users [EMAIL PROTECTED] R=system_aliases T=address_pipe defer (-28): Failed 
to find group  from expanded string ${lookup mysql{select users.gid from 
users,domains where localpart = '${quote_mysql:$local_part}' and domain = 
'${quote_mysql:$domain}' and users.domain_id = domains.domain_id}} for the 
address_pipe transport


It looks like Vexim is trying to obtain the group under which to run
the pipe from a mysql database, and the database doesn't have an entry
for the 'users' list (address local part).



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list not receiving the messages

[Patrick Bogen]

On 9/20/06, Bhavin Shah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am using the MAILMAN mailing list ( Version 2.1.7) for the website since
 couple of years. However, since last few days the Mailing list is not
 receiving the messages. Users are getting the following error message when
 it is tried to send the message to the Mailing list :


This is an issue with your MTA. The MTA no longer seems to recognize
the names of your mailman lists. This is arguably outside the scope of
this list.

That said, to help you, we'll need to at least know which MTA you're using.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing-list in HTML

[Brad Knowles]

At 10:29 AM +0200 2006-08-04, Quentin wrote:

  I use mailman since a few days and I can't send the mailing-list in HTML
  format. How can I configure my mailman to send this page :

  http://www.comblainaupont.be/spip.php?page=nouveautes

You don't.  Mailman will, for the most part, transmit to the mailing 
list recipients whatever you send to it.  You can configure filtering 
and conversion so that HTML gets stripped to plain text, and so that 
unsupported attachment types get removed, but that's it.

If you want HTML-formatted messages to be sent to your recipients, 
then you need to write HTML-formatted messages for them to read.  How 
you do that is going to be dependant on whatever program you use to 
read and write e-mail.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list not getting sent out

[Mark Sapiro]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

When i setup the mailing list the confirmation email gets sent out to  
the admin and also the people who sign up for it but when i try to  
send a mailing it doest get forwarded on, it appears to be sent  
properly and i dont get any messages back saying that the message  
could not be delivered.  I am running this on a redhat vds. Thanks for  
any help you may be able to give me.


See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.014.htp.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list disappear when press save

[Mark Sapiro]

Celes Victoria wrote:

hello there...
i got same problem with
http://lists.apple.com/archives/macos-x-server/2004/Jan/msg01683.html


This apparently has to do with Apple's pre-installed Mailman on OS X
server. The mailman-users list can offer very little help on this. See
our FAQ article at
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq01.021.htp


on my /usr/share/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'bemicom'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'bemicom'

These should be fully qualified domain names.



the administrator = bemicom
administrator email = [EMAIL PROTECTED]
user email = [EMAIL PROTECTED]

when i checked list of enable mailing lists.. other
menu shows up ..
i don't understand ..on list password entry...
i've search documents..to solve it but it's not match
to solve
pls tell me how to solve it.. show me the simple way
or giving me a little example ..
thank you..


As I said, it looks like you are using Apple's GUI. Maybe someone on
this list knows something about it, but it is an Apple product, not
ours.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list protection

[Mark Sapiro]

Alan wrote:

Is there a way to protect the list in a way that ONLY admin can send 
mails to the list.
Maybe with password in Subject or in some other way.


See the FAQ
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

Articles 3.11 and 3.34

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List Size

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At 9:46 AM -0700 2006-04-19, Bruce Jenner wrote:

  Is there anything I can do get it to work with a large user list? We now
  have 200 members and growing and we need a list of some sort just to keep up
  with what's going on.

Size is not your problem, at least not so far as the base Mailman 
code is concerned.  See FAQ 1.15 at 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq01.015.htp 
for more details on that.

Now, your hosting provider may have made some changes to the code 
that they're running, or they may be running a version of Mailman 
from someone else (e.g., cPanel) which may have been modified, and 
those modifications may prevent you from running a larger list.

In that case, you need to talk to your hosting provider, or see 
about getting a new hosting provider.


When troubleshooting Mailman problems, it's a good idea to start 
with the stuff at FAQ 3.14 (see 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.014.htp) 
and eliminate all those issues before proceeding to anything else.

I would also encourage you to use the search function for the FAQ 
Wizard via http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py, and to at 
least take a look at the full index of all FAQ entries at 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=index.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List

[Mark Sapiro]

Sesiri Pathirane wrote:

Thanks for the Reply on the list. I had selected first_reply_to = no and
reply_goes_to_list = poster. But when people reply to the list, it went to
everybody on the list. I need to set it up where, if anyone replies to the
list, it goes to the list admin. How do I do that?


If you want all replies to go to the list owner and not to the original
poster, set

first_strip_reply_to = Yes
reply_goes_to_list = Explicit address
reply_to_address = [EMAIL PROTECTED]

It seems like you may be trying to set up an announcement type list, in
which case, you also probably want to moderate the members so they
can't post to the list. See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.011.htp
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list list

[Mark Sapiro]

Chris Lange wrote:

I just took over responsibility for this in my Sr. Tech's absence. I  
have several mailing lists that don't appear in the admin links  
section, but appear on the server and can be administered if I  
manually enter their location in my browser. Is there a way to  
regenerate or refresh the main list to reflect all of the lists that  
are actually on the server?

There are two possible reasons for this.

The lists themselves are not 'advertised' (see Privacy options... in
the admin interface for the list.

The lists have a different 'host name' in their web_page_url attribute
and VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW is not set Off in mm_cfg.py.

Note that a list will or will not appear on the admin overview the same
as it will or will not appear on the listinfo overview. There is no
setting to make a list appear on the admin overview and not on the
listinfo overview or vice versa.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list not obeying sender filter

[Tokio Kikuchi]

Steven Jones wrote:
 HI All,
 
 I have added the [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] for each server
 to the privacy-option - sender-filter - non-member filters box and
 done a submit, but the system is still asking me to moderate the
 emails...while I just want them accepted and posted.

Check also the recipient filter.



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List not receiving emails

[Bryan Carbonnell]

On 21 Jan 2006 at 10:35, Neilrey Espino wrote:

 I have created a list called group-mailman  I sent some invites
 and people responded and now have 10 members. But when they try to send
 a message they got the following error messages :
 
 The e-mail account does not exist at the organization this message was
 sent to.  Check the e-mail address, or contact the recipient directly to
 find out the correct address.
 
 I verified with netstat -na  port 25 is indeed open
 
 What else can I possibly look into ?

Did you add the aliases to your alias file?

Also look in the FAQ at Article 1.7 http://www.python.org/cgi-
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List: Only administrator / owner of list shall be allowed to post

[Carl Zwanzig]

In a flurry of recycled electrons, Oliver [K_nig] wrote:

 Hello,
 I want to set up a mailing list, where only the administrator / owner of list
 shall be allowed to post messages to the list. How do I configure this?

please check the FAQ, url is below. (look for 'announce only' or some such)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List: Only administrator / owner of list shall be allowed to post

[C Doukas]

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.011.htp

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Carl
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Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 12:06 PM
To: Oliver [K_nig]
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
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list shall be allowed to post


In a flurry of recycled electrons, Oliver [K_nig] wrote:

 Hello,
 I want to set up a mailing list, where only the administrator / owner of
list
 shall be allowed to post messages to the list. How do I configure this?

please check the FAQ, url is below. (look for 'announce only' or some such)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List Config

[Carl Zwanzig]

In a flurry of recycled electrons, Sujay Thomas wrote:

 1. Subscribers send mail to the mailing list address.
 2. Everyone in the mailing list gets this message.
 3. Any replies made to the messages get sent to everyone as well.
 
 Right now it doesn't do this and I can't seem to figure out how to set it up 
 that way. It can be done, right? 

If I understand correctly, you want a reply to a list message to go to
everyone on the list, not just the originator of the message. If so,
set the list as reply to list not reply to poster.

OTOH, many people consider that a Bad Thing. Virtually all email
programs have a reply-all function, and that should be used if
you want to the entire list to see your reply. (flames on this to
nla0:)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List Questions

[Mark Sapiro]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I am a mailing list administrator.

There seems to be two ways an address can be added to the list:

1) My entering them by Mass Subscription under the Member  
Management...Section.
Addresses entered this way appear in a Member List table.  Good.


Do you mean the letter of alphabet tables of the Membership List under
the Member Management...Section?


2) My approving a request (via email) to add a new address to the list.
Addresses approved by this method do not appear in the Member List  
table mentioned in item #1;  I call them invisible.
Question:Where and how do I find these invisible addresses?


Are you saying you get a notice of a pending subscription from Mailman
that says
- start
Your authorization is required for a mailing list subscription request
approval:

For:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
List: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

At your convenience, visit:

http://www.example.com/mailman/admindb/list

to process the request.
- end

Or you get a summary of requests, and you go to the admindb url and
approve the subscription request and [EMAIL PROTECTED] doesn't appear
on the Membership List under the Member Management...Section?

If yes, then I don't know what's going on. If something else, please be
more specific about what member list table, what e-mail and what
action you take. 

The list has only 100 addresses and is seasonal.  The beginning of  
each season it would be easier to dump all the addresses and Mass  
Subscribe a fresh list.
Question:Is there an easy way to dump the lists generated by the  
two methods mentioned above?


There are several ways to get a membership list. The command line tool
bin/list_members will list all members. The Membership List under the
Member Management...Section lists all members but not in a convenient
form, but see
http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/mailman/#throughtheweb for a way
to script this and get a nice list. The e-mail 'who' command and the
web roster both give reasonably usable lists, but they don't show
those members who've opted not to be shown.

Note that if Conceal the member's address is checked in
new_member_options under the General Options Section, all new members
will be opted out of the latter two lists, but I don't think that is
your issue because it also applies to mass subscription.

Once you have a list, you can process it via Mass Removal under the
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list archive - how to erase messages

[Mark Sapiro]

Richard Gruver wrote:

I can't seem to be able to erase the test messages in my mailing list
archive. I figured it would be a simple task, but the more I look into it,
the more complicated it seems.


Go to the FAQ
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list archive - how to erase messages

[Brad Knowles]

At 4:24 AM -0700 2005-08-24, Richard Gruver wrote:

  I can't seem to be able to erase the test messages in my mailing list
  archive. I figured it would be a simple task, but the more I look into it,
  the more complicated it seems.

Try going to the Mailman FAQ Wizard at 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py and search for remove a 
post.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list with HTML emails - how ?

[Brad Knowles]

At 6:50 PM +0300 2005-07-04, Liviu wrote:

  If if send an email to my test list, I receive only a text version. I
  read some docs but I didn't find the solution for my problem. If
  somebody has a mailman html enable mailing list, please offer me some
  help.

If you want your customers to receive HTML e-mail, then you need 
to send HTML e-mail.  The default out-of-the-box configuration should 
not strip anything from these messages, and you should get what you 
want.  Otherwise, look at the stuff under the Content Filtering 
section on your mailing list configuration.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List

[Jim Tittsler]

On Apr 14, 2005, at 19:55, Sinh Quan wrote:
I am trouble shooting a mailing list in which mails did not go to
members.
The list I am dealing with has nearly 7000 members and I don't want to
send a test email to all of them.  I would like to send to just 1 for
testing purposes.
Enabling VERP (for at least one posting) might be more effective.
Is there a quick way of setting the no mail marker to all members 
rather
than 1 by 1 and then untick them again later?
Yes, you can do this with bin/withlist.  You will want to 
setDeliveryStatus(user, MemberAdaptor.BYADMIN) to set nomail.  Then to 
untick them, you will want to search for those that their delivery 
status set to BYADMIN and set it back to MemberAdaptor.ENABLED.

But checking the Mailman and MTA logs (especially with VERP enabled) 
seems more productive.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List Only

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- Original Message ---

Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List Only
   From: Brian Dina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 11:03:29 -0700
 To: mailman-users@python.org

I am setting up a mailing list for one of my clients, using Mailman v2.1.5p1

I want to set it up so that ONLY the List Administrator(s) can post messages
to the mailing list (i.e. I want to use Mailman as a simple mailing list
only and NOT a discussion list).  

 

Where do I go to set that option?  --or--  do I  do that in Membership
Management?

See the FAQ
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list function is not working - all of a sudden

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At 8:58 PM -0500 2005-03-14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We're using Mailman ver 2.1.5 in accordance
 with CPanel.
	We may be limited in terms of the amount of support we can 
provided.  Please see 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq06.011.htp.

 I haven't changed any settings.  It just stopped working.  I even set up a
 new mailing list, as a test, and it didn't work either.
	Normally, we would direct you to see 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.014.htp. 
However, you probably don't have command-line access to the server 
where your lists are hosted, and therefore you won't be able to look 
at any of these log files.  Unfortunately, while it is possible to 
script the web interface (see 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.053.htp), 
this doesn't help you with access to the log files.

 Our business has several time-sensitive e-mails that are sent out.  We need
 this fixed asap, please.
	In this case, you're pretty much completely dependant on your 
hosting company.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list

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At 8:52 PM +0800 2005-02-24, Norm Williams wrote:
 I find that I am not getting mail and those trying o send mail to me get the
 following message.  I have not subscribed to Mailman and I need help!
	Maybe someone installed Mailman on your machine, perhaps with 
auto-alias support in Exim or some other MTA, and which has somehow 
taken over regular e-mail addresses?

	I'd be willing to bet that this is a misconfigured MTA which is 
mistakenly handing e-mail to Mailman that it should not.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list

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At 6:32 PM -0500 2005-02-22, Sal - ReadyIn10 wrote:
 I am the administrator of my mailing list. I would like to be the only one
 who can send a message to my list.
	Go to the Mailman FAQ Wizard page at 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py and search for Announce.

 I would also not like anybody to be able to view any subscribers on
 my list...I checked off the option, but they can still see them.
	Go to the web admin interface for your list.  From there, go to 
the Privacy options... page.  Scroll down to the bottom, and where 
it says Who can view subscription list? set that to be List admin 
only.  Make sure to click on the button at the bottom of the page 
which says Submit Your Changes.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list set up

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At 7:09 PM -0600 2005-01-21, Janie Ziegler wrote:
 I received the directions from the previous webmaster for our club.
 I am new at this, but when I tried to get into the list it said we were
 non existent.
 I cannot find the link to Membership Management so that I can set this up.
	You're not giving us a whole lot of detail here.  Can you take a 
look at 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq01.022.htp 
and 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq01.023.htp 
and come back with more information regarding the precise nature of 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list emails just disappear to nowhere

[Terry Allen]

Hello all and sorry for the bother :)
A little background to my problem:
I had a main hard disk problem with my web/list server and though I
had some backups I decided to install a fresh (and newer)
installation of Linux. Now everything else is working fine except
Mailman(and/or postfix).
It knows the lists I had built earlier fine, but sending mail to the
lists doesn't work.
After trying to handle the problem myself, I got until so far:
In /var/log/mail I have a lines for the mail:
Jan  7 14:07:44 rbm postfix/cleanup[4820]: 2534CE585: message-
id=[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jan  7 14:07:44 rbm postfix/smtpd[4802]: disconnect from
unknown[10.0.1.21]
Jan  7 14:07:44 rbm postfix/qmgr[4799]: 2534CE585:
from=[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=699, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Jan  7 14:07:44 rbm postfix/local[4822]: 2534CE585: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED]
toolbox.net, orig_to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=local,
delay=0, status=sent (delivered to command:
/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post hn-l)
Jan  7 14:07:44 rbm postfix/qmgr[4799]: 2534CE585: removed
So it would look quite all right . except that the mail doesn't
appear anywhere. I am quite frustrated so far... any relief
available?
Otherwise postfix seems to work all right
Hi again,
	Someone else may correct me here, but that last line of the 
log looks to me like Postfix has delivered the mail to the piped 
mailman command - if the mail is not showing up from there, it would 
indicate that either:

a: Mailman is broken
or
b: Mailman is configured incorrectly.
	Our Mailman installation has a separate aliases file for 
Mailman, which I think is the normal Mailman setup when used with 
Postfix. Maybe post something to the Mailman list for assistance from 
there.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list emails just disappear to nowhere

[Mark Sapiro]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In /var/log/mail I have a lines for the mail:

Jan  7 14:07:44 rbm postfix/cleanup[4820]: 2534CE585: message-
id=[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jan  7 14:07:44 rbm postfix/smtpd[4802]: disconnect from 
unknown[10.0.1.21]
Jan  7 14:07:44 rbm postfix/qmgr[4799]: 2534CE585: 
from=[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=699, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Jan  7 14:07:44 rbm postfix/local[4822]: 2534CE585: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED]
toolbox.net, orig_to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=local, 
delay=0, status=sent (delivered to command: 
/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post hn-l)
Jan  7 14:07:44 rbm postfix/qmgr[4799]: 2534CE585: removed

So it would look quite all right . except that the mail doesn't 
appear anywhere. I am quite frustrated so far... any relief 
available?


Are the qrunners running?

See
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
article 3.14, section 5 in particular.

Do the messages get to the qfiles/in directory?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list as a newsletter engine (only admin can post)

[Jim Tittsler]

On Dec 30, 2004, at 19:20, thomas Armstrong wrote:
I would like to create a mailing list which works as a newsletter
(only admin can post). How can I perform it?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list just stopped working

[Sean]

 We have version 2.1.5 running off our server and have been using it for
 over a year and it has worked great. All of a sudden - and we haven't
 touched a thing server-side, we no longer are able to write to our
 mailing list. Nothing appears in the archive, the message is definitely
 sent, but the mailing list never seems to receive it.

 Any ideas?

Are the qrunners still running?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list

[Brad Knowles]

At 12:19 PM +0530 2004-09-28, Bhavin Shah wrote:
 Is it possible to add some text ( plain / HTML ) in the reminder send to
 all the users monthly, regarding their password and other informations.
	You need to edit the appropriate cronpass.txt template for your 
list.  See 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.048.htp 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list sends multiple copies of itself

[Mark Sapiro]

Benedetta Manocchio wrote:

Ooops. I created a mailing list, but when I send a test email to the mailing list, 
multiple copies arrive in the inboxes. What did I do wrong? How do I correct this?

Hard to say. Do all subscribers receive multiple copies, the same
number, how many? What do the mailman post and smtp logs show?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List

[Mark Sapiro]

Jason Paul wrote:

Is there any way I can get one list off all the members in a mailing list so
I can move them to another domain with a different list?

  $prefix/bin/list_members

If you don't have access to command line tools try

  http://mailman.host.domain/mailman/roster/listname

with the obvious substitutions for your host and list name.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List

[Jim Tittsler]

On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 07:35:30AM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
 Jason Paul wrote:
 Is there any way I can get one list off all the members in a mailing list so
 I can move them to another domain with a different list?
 
   $prefix/bin/list_members
 
 If you don't have access to command line tools try
 
   http://mailman.host.domain/mailman/roster/listname
 
 with the obvious substitutions for your host and list name.

(The disadvantage with that method is that members can choose
to 'hide' their membership from that list.)

Another option that may be available (depending upon how your
list is configured) is to mail the 'who' command to the
listname-request address.

And yet another option that should be used only when all else
fails is to use Python running on a local machine to script
visiting all of the web pages of the membership management
administrative interface and build the list.
 http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/mailman/#throughtheweb

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list info being sent as an attachment...

[Jeff Barger]

On Aug 10, 2004, at 1:14 PM, Ben Swihart wrote:
Hello,
I've got mailman 2.1.3 running well, but there is one detail left: when
I send a post to the list, it's adding the following attachment:
__
MyList mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mydomain.com/mailman/listinfo/MyList_mydomain.com

Is it possible to prevent this attachement from going out?  I think 
this
has to do with the fact that I'm sending an HTML mail.
See 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.039.htp

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list problem...

[George Booth]

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 2:43 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing list problem...


   Well, how can i start to recover this ? are there any command line
   utilities/scripts to check the integrity of all files for this list
   ?

I had this same problem a few weeks ago, with 2 lists that just stopped
responding to web interface logins. I just used the 'list_members' function,
piped it into a temporary file, removed the list, recreated it, and used the
'add_members' function to import the members back in. Of course, remembering
the exact configuration was a bit tricky, but if this is a major list,
chances are you remember how it was set up (restricted posting, closed
membership, list owner, etc). I've no idea what caused it, but recovery
wasn't really that much of a hassle.

Hope that helps.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List Problem

[Erick Mechler]

:: There is an email address on our mailing list that is receiving our
:: messages.  They do not wish to be on the list.  The address do not appear
:: anywhere within the list.

Is the user receiving the unwanted email in the same domain as the where 
the list is hosted?  Have you used the ~mailman/bin/list_members script to 
see if perhaps the CGI's are misrepresenting your list members perhaps?

There isn't really a lot of information in your post, so I'm not sure if 
I'm asking the right questions.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List Problem

[George Theall]

On Mon, Dec 22, 2003 at 05:14:40PM -0500, Keith L. Hyman wrote:

 There is an email address on our mailing list that is receiving our
 messages.  They do not wish to be on the list.  The address do not
 appear anywhere within the list.  can you offer any suggestions as to
 how we can stop this address from receiving our messages? 

First, you need to detect how messages are getting to that address. 
More than likely, they're being forwarded automatically.  To figure it
out, ask the receipient if s/he can send you a copy of one of the
messages already sent; make sure it includes *all* the headers. 

If the version of Mailman you're using supports VERP and you've
configured it to use that, tracking down the subscriber is as simple as
looking at the from envelope header (ie, From ) - it will hold an
encoded version of the subscriber's address.  

Alternatively, look at the Received headers and trace the connection
(the recipient's host(s) will occur at the top, you're interested in the
next host). 

Finally, if you can't get a copy of the headers or they're not helpful,
get in touch with the mail administrator at the recipient's site and ask
for his/her cooperation in tracing the source of the messages. 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list

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On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:45:54 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hallo
I have create a mailing list, but hove can I add  mail-adress to the list.
Can I convert from a Excel-file ??

Please help me.


Hi,

Go to:

http://Your-hostname/mailman/admin/Listname


Click the Membership Management link.
And then Mass Subscription.

Follow the instructions on that page.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list help needed

[Richard Barrett]

On Tuesday, October 14, 2003, at 03:45  pm, Emory Joseph wrote:

I'm finally trying to sort out how to get my mailing list going.
If you aren't the person to write, I'd appreciate it if you'll tell me 
who
might be.

Problem detail...

On my news and information page -

http://emoryjoseph.com/mailman/listinfo/emoryjoseph_emoryjoseph.com

The To post a message to all the list members
Address is all convoluted and won't send from my mail program.
How can I change this?
The information you need that will probably fix this is here:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.029.htp

Make sure your mm_cfg.py file has the information shown under the 
Changing hostnames heading and run bin/fix_url.py as described at bit 
further down on that FAQ page.

Thanks in advance,

Emory Joseph

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list administration

[Raymond Wood]

On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 07:45:09PM +0200, Thomas Møller Andersen remarked:
 Hi,
 
 I'm managing a list with mailman version 2.0.1. Recently the
 list has been bombarded - so much that i can't manage it
 through the web interface. How do I clean out all the
 spam-postings from the command line? We're talking about 4000
 postings...
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 Thomas

/me whispers... mladmin ...

Have Fun, 
Raymond


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list administration

[Thomas Møller Andersen]

Thanks. I tried, but i'm unable to use the mladmin-script. I'm on an old
solaris and it seems like i'm missing perl modules. Can't locate
HTML/Entities.pm in @INC (@INC contains: 

Any alternatives?

Thomas

 On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 07:45:09PM +0200, Thomas Møller Andersen
 remarked:
 Hi,

 I'm managing a list with mailman version 2.0.1. Recently the
 list has been bombarded - so much that i can't manage it
 through the web interface. How do I clean out all the
 spam-postings from the command line? We're talking about 4000
 postings...

 Thanks in advance.

 Thomas

 /me whispers... mladmin ...

 Have Fun,
 Raymond



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