Re: [mailop] Anyone want to have fun?

[Andre van Eyssen via mailop]

You have a transposition on V and R:
EMAILSVR.NET 
emailsrv.net



On Thu, 3 Mar 2022, Michael Peddemors via mailop wrote:


whois emailsvr.net
No match for domain "EMAILSVR.NET"

Time to register a domain?

CONN: 34.194.188.63 -> 25 GeoIP = [US] PTR = 
otransport-22.outbound.emailsrv.net


And who would put a professional service on an AWS IP with no SWIP/rwhois?




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Re: [mailop] Who Do You Recommend for Small Business Regular (Non-Bulk) Email?

[Bill Cole via mailop]

On 2022-03-02 at 10:40:05 UTC-0500 (Wed, 2 Mar 2022 08:40:05 -0700)
Anne Mitchell via mailop 
is rumored to have said:


All,

For some reason we have recently had a spate of small businesses 
coming to us asking us for our recommendations for a service to host 
their regular one-to-one business communications.  Google and MS seem 
to have the business email hosting thing locked up tight, but surely 
there must be email providers out there that are friendlier,


Sure.


easier to set up,


Well, maybe...



and maybe even with some decent support


Absolutely.


(or is that a pipe dream?)


I am just guessing that you also need it to be price and 
feature-competitive with 2 of the world's largest tech behemoths too? 
That is the big challenge.


I cannot in good conscience recommend either of the mailbox hosters that 
I work for (or any of their non-behemoth competitors) broadly for small 
businesses. That's not just because I'm a terrible marketer/salesman: 
neither one is chasing new mailbox business independent of other 
services.


MS and Google are likely to be more satisfying for less money, for 
reasons that no non-behemoth can beat, mostly because they've been able 
to throw development resources at their services for years in order to 
minimize human support load and drive down costs. Real coders cost more 
than real tech support, but a good coder can replace a support tech with 
code that doesn't need health insurance... (Sometimes.) MS365 with 
hosted Exchange or GApps/GMail are absolutely good enough for most small 
businesses, many of whom would be unable to discern the ways a smaller 
provider might be "better," particularly when providing just email.


In pet feed terms: It's no accident that Dog Chow outsells Farmer's Dog. 
The customers are reasonably satisfied with a cheap commodity, partly 
because they don't have any way to know what "better" options exist and 
may not care about their positive differentiators.


If a small business (say less than 10 people, hosts their website at 
their registrar's free hosting service, or Square or Wix) were to come 
to you and ask you from where they should send their one-to-one 
regular business correspondence email, who would you recommend?


The more pedestrian their needs, the more likely I would be to point 
them at MS. That horrifies me, but it is true. MS has one thing that no 
one else on the net can offer: rock-solid deliverability to MS-hosted 
domains. To *responsibly* recommend another provider I'd need to know 
that their other priorities (spam control, white-glove support, 
customized mail routing, 3rd-party integration, whatever) beat 
deliverability, price, and ease-of-use.




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Re: [mailop] [External] Info on deluxe.com

[Chris via mailop]

On 2022-02-28 10:06, Laura Atkins via mailop wrote:

It strikes me this is really a question you should be asking the bank. 
It’s very likely that the bank did pass the address along, for whatever 
reason, but they are the only group that’s going to be able to answer 
“why did this check processing firm have access to PII that was only 
given to you.”


I’d be amazed if the answer from Deluxe was anything other than “your 
bank gave it to us.”


Or, the bank presents Deluxe's cheque ordering portal to their customers 
as a form of "white labeling"/outsource.


Depending on the agreement between the bank and Deluxe, someone ordering 
cheques through that portal may be deemed to be Deluxe's (not the 
Bank's) customer for that transaction, depending on details of your 
account, the bank may be partially subsidizing your order.


You may be able to logick it from the portal, but the only way to be 
sure is to talk to someone at the Bank familiar with the business 
agreement.  Which probably means someone middle-upper level at the bank HQ.


This is not to suggest that Deluxe's separate solicitation is 
necessarily a good idea.  But considering how often most people buy 
cheques these days, who knows what you remember from when you last 
ordered any?


I haven't bought or used any cheques in at least 15 years, my wife uses 
a cheque once or twice a year.

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[mailop] o365/Hotmail weird case.. no PTR..

[Michael Peddemors via mailop]

Seeing strange connections that 'look' like they might be honest 
Microsoft servers, but not usual..


Maybe something broke?

CONN: 52.96.178.229 -> 25 GeoIP = [US] PTR = NXDOMAIN
EHLO command received, args: MW4PR15MB4635.namprd15.prod.outlook.com

Simply connects, then disconnects..

Mr Wise?

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Re: [mailop] What the f**k, Google?

[Bill Cole via mailop]

On 2022-03-03 at 12:32:21 UTC-0500 (Thu, 3 Mar 2022 17:32:21 +)
ml+mailop--- via mailop 
is rumored to have said:

> On Thu, Mar 03, 2022, Bill Cole via mailop wrote:
>
>> Did I miss something?
>
> Maybe... I provided examples before.
>
>> I have no idea what GMail is rejecting in SMTP
>
> See Message-ID: <20220302163128.ga95...@veps.esmtp.org>

Tangential to what I thought I was adding a data point to...

I would never dream of saying that GMail doesn't ever reject legitimate mail in 
SMTP. Due to the oddity of my account there I'm fairly sure that they've never 
done so *in my case.* Given the sort of bottom-feeders they actually deliver to 
the account, I have to believe they reject a lot of absolute garbage aimed at 
me.

> I have no idea why GMail rejected those mails at the final dot.

Possibly because of a lot of similar messages making them all look like spam in 
aggregate. Especially a problem if someone at Google applied too much of their 
core search and ranking mojo to email.

Could apply to both of your examples. Spam filters do have false positives.


>>  and no one with a valid excuse to be mailing me there wouldn't have
>> other better contact means.
>
> So you have a "fallback" mechanism -- the guy who is trying to sell
> his house didn't provide one on the website.

His mistake for using GMail and not having a fallback, eh?

Internet email has never been and never really can be a reliable communication 
medium. The best it can do is to be loud and fast when it breaks, rather than 
doing things like figuring out too late that you don't want to or can't deliver 
a message and dropping it after you've accepted it in SMTP.


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Re: [mailop] Who Do You Recommend for Small Business Regular (Non-Bulk) Email?

[Grant Taylor via mailop]

On 3/3/22 12:54 AM, Maarten Oelering via mailop wrote:
That is exactly the reason why I am looking for a solution (in EU) for 
my family mailboxes with a custom domain.


A friend of mine, whom I've forwarded parts of this thread to, has the 
exact same issue.


He is using Google Domains as his registrar and has recently found out 
that he can forward up to 100 email addresses as part of that service. 
As such, he is going to investigate forwarding his ~20 addresses 
(@.) hosted under Google Domains to Gmail 
where his family members are checking messages anyway.


Maybe Google Domains email forwarding would be an option for some people 
in this situation.




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Re: [mailop] What the f**k, Google?

[ml+mailop--- via mailop]

On Thu, Mar 03, 2022, Bill Cole via mailop wrote:

> Did I miss something?

Maybe... I provided examples before.

> I have no idea what GMail is rejecting in SMTP

See Message-ID: <20220302163128.ga95...@veps.esmtp.org>
I have no idea why GMail rejected those mails at the final dot.

>  and no one with a valid excuse to be mailing me there wouldn't have
> other better contact means.

So you have a "fallback" mechanism -- the guy who is trying to sell
his house didn't provide one on the website.
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Re: [mailop] Who Do You Recommend for Small Business Regular (Non-Bulk) Email?

[Miles Fidelman via mailop]

Anne Mitchell via mailop wrote:



On Mar 3, 2022, at 9:39 AM, Miles Fidelman via mailop  wrote:

I highly recommend GoDaddy.  I use them for a couple of domains that I haven't 
gotten around to setting up on our own servers.

As reminded yesterday, after I fat-fingered a whole slew of mail into the trash, 
their customer service is first rate.  They answer the phone quickly, the first 
person who answers the phone almost always has a clue - and can deal with problems 
directly.  Or they can get them dealt with quickly, without having to shunt you 
from person to person.  (E.g., they were able to restore all the mail I destroyed, 
with a phone call - they put my on hold at one point, very briefly, to call their 
operations folk, then told me the mail would be back in under 90 minutes - and it 
was.)  Their customer support for other things - e.g., hosted servers & apps - 
is just as responsive.

Mind you, I'm a "preferred customer" (I buy lots of domains from them), so I 
get bumped to the head of the queue, to a better grade of support reps; and they also 
offer some extra-cost support (e.g., for maintaining wordpress installs) - so I don't 
know what their support is like for the great unwashed.

Best customer service I've found from anyone - so, for a no-muss, no-fuss 
recommendation, that's where I'd point them.

Miles, I have to say that this surprises me, and I'm glad to hear that GoDaddy 
has upped their game, as there was a period of time when this was not the case. 
 Do you happen to know if they offer hosted email if the domain is not 
registered/hosted through them?

Never had a bad experience with them.  (I DID with NSI, and Verio - who 
preceded them as the big guns in the business.)


As to the hosting question:  I don't know, but I expect they're happy 
to.  I seem to recall that, when setting up a new mail service, they ask 
for all the domain information - and, if you're hosting with them, 
setting up all the records is automagic (suggesting that, if you're 
hosting elsewhere you can, but you have to set up all the DNS stuff 
yourself).


Miles


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Re: [mailop] Anyone want to have fun?

[Bill Cole via mailop]

On 2022-03-03 at 10:17:11 UTC-0500 (Thu, 3 Mar 2022 07:17:11 -0800)
Michael Peddemors via mailop 
is rumored to have said:

> whois emailsvr.net
> No match for domain "EMAILSVR.NET"
>
> Time to register a domain?

No, because typo-squatting is evil no matter who does it.

> CONN: 34.194.188.63 -> 25 GeoIP = [US] PTR = 
> otransport-22.outbound.emailsrv.net
>
> And who would put a professional service on an AWS IP with no SWIP/rwhois?

But they DO have cleanly symmetrical PTR/A records. Which, of course, means 
that emailsrv.net is in fact a registered domain, unlike the one you mentioned 
above.

#INCLUDE No_True_Scotsman.txt

That said, a lot of people host a lot of things unwisely on AWS/DO/GCP/Azure. I 
will refrain from applying any adjectives judgmentally to their services...

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Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Re: Microsoft banned sender (Linode hosted IPs)

[Michael Wise via mailop]

Pretty sure that file is long gone.
And pretty sure that IP is now quite unblocked.

If not, let us know the full message you're seeing now.

Aloha, 
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Open a ticket for Hotmail ?

-Original Message-
From: mailop  On Behalf Of Michael Rathbun via mailop
Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2022 8:21 AM
To: Andy Smith 
Cc: mailop@mailop.org
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [mailop] Microsoft banned sender (Linode hosted IPs)

On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 20:12:13 +, Andy Smith via mailop 
wrote:

>Following the link leads to a delist form but this comes back as
>"139.162.167.107 is not listed" and then says to get the Microsoft
>tenant to open a ticket. I've asked my recipient to do that and they
>said they would today, but I haven't heard back with a ticket number
>yet.

This is eight-year-old data, but we would regularly find that an address or
block of addresses, in a problem escalated to us from India, was present in
the "Banned Sender List", a flat text file which was invisible to support
people world-wide.  During my time at Exchange Online as a spam analyst, I
recall using vi as root on the Linux box that handled that manually-maintained
list.

I had thought they would have disposed of that, by now.

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Re: [mailop] What the f**k, Google?

[Bill Cole via mailop]

On 2022-03-03 at 04:25:11 UTC-0500 (Thu, 3 Mar 2022 09:25:11 +)
ml+mailop--- via mailop 
is rumored to have said:

> On Thu, Mar 03, 2022, Bill Cole via mailop wrote:
>
>> Interestingly, none of my GMail accounts has ever had ham misclassified as
>> spam.
>
> Again:

Did I miss something?

> how do you know whether you didn't even receive a "ham"
> e-mail because it was "misclassified as spam" and rejected during
> the SMTP dialogue? Do you get a list of mails which didn't reach
> you?

If a message was ham that I wasn't expecting and it was rejected as spam by 
GMail but the sender never followed up in any way, was it really ham? I believe 
Brandon Long has said (or implied?) that they always deliver what they accept 
in SMTP (i.e. maybe to "Spam") so senders should get explicit NDNs for 
rejections.

I have no idea what GMail is rejecting in SMTP, but I've never been alerted to 
any missed messages on that account, and no one with a valid excuse to be 
mailing me there wouldn't have other better contact means. It's not my primary 
email and it has never been used to subscribe to anything. To illustrate: I 
never throw away anything legit and there's <1000 unique messages there since 
2004, a large fraction of them from Google. (Hard to count accurately as I've 
not found which set of mailboxes I can aggregate to see everything without 
dupes.)

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Re: [mailop] Who Do You Recommend for Small Business Regular (Non-Bulk) Email?

[Anne Mitchell via mailop]

> On Mar 3, 2022, at 9:39 AM, Miles Fidelman via mailop  
> wrote:
> 
> I highly recommend GoDaddy.  I use them for a couple of domains that I 
> haven't gotten around to setting up on our own servers.
> 
> As reminded yesterday, after I fat-fingered a whole slew of mail into the 
> trash, their customer service is first rate.  They answer the phone quickly, 
> the first person who answers the phone almost always has a clue - and can 
> deal with problems directly.  Or they can get them dealt with quickly, 
> without having to shunt you from person to person.  (E.g., they were able to 
> restore all the mail I destroyed, with a phone call - they put my on hold at 
> one point, very briefly, to call their operations folk, then told me the mail 
> would be back in under 90 minutes - and it was.)  Their customer support for 
> other things - e.g., hosted servers & apps - is just as responsive.
> 
> Mind you, I'm a "preferred customer" (I buy lots of domains from them), so I 
> get bumped to the head of the queue, to a better grade of support reps; and 
> they also offer some extra-cost support (e.g., for maintaining wordpress 
> installs) - so I don't know what their support is like for the great unwashed.
> 
> Best customer service I've found from anyone - so, for a no-muss, no-fuss 
> recommendation, that's where I'd point them.

Miles, I have to say that this surprises me, and I'm glad to hear that GoDaddy 
has upped their game, as there was a period of time when this was not the case. 
 Do you happen to know if they offer hosted email if the domain is not 
registered/hosted through them?

Thank you!

Anne

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[mailop] New outbound IP range of Omnivery

[Jakub Olexa via mailop]

Hi,

Mailkit is opening a new IP range for its Omnivery service. Outbound 
emails will be coming from 185.136.201.128/25 space:


185.136.201.130-149 will be dedicated to Transactional messages only
185.136.201.150-189 will be dedicated to Marketing messages

185.136.201.250-254 are used for development and testing purposes only

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Re: [mailop] Who Do You Recommend for Small Business Regular (Non-Bulk) Email?

[Miles Fidelman via mailop]

Philip Paeps via mailop wrote:

On 2022-03-02 23:40:05 (+0800), Anne Mitchell via mailop wrote:
For some reason we have recently had a spate of small businesses 
coming to us asking us for our recommendations for a service to host 
their regular one-to-one business communications.  Google and MS seem 
to have the business email hosting thing locked up tight, but surely 
there must be email providers out there that are friendlier, easier 
to set up, and maybe even with some decent support (or is that a pipe 
dream?)


If a small business (say less than 10 people, hosts their website at 
their registrar's free hosting service, or Square or Wix) were to 
come to you and ask you from where they should send their one-to-one 
regular business correspondence email, who would you recommend?


I highly recommend GoDaddy.  I use them for a couple of domains that I 
haven't gotten around to setting up on our own servers.


As reminded yesterday, after I fat-fingered a whole slew of mail into 
the trash, their customer service is first rate.  They answer the phone 
quickly, the first person who answers the phone almost always has a clue 
- and can deal with problems directly.  Or they can get them dealt with 
quickly, without having to shunt you from person to person.  (E.g., they 
were able to restore all the mail I destroyed, with a phone call - they 
put my on hold at one point, very briefly, to call their operations 
folk, then told me the mail would be back in under 90 minutes - and it 
was.)  Their customer support for other things - e.g., hosted servers & 
apps - is just as responsive.


Mind you, I'm a "preferred customer" (I buy lots of domains from them), 
so I get bumped to the head of the queue, to a better grade of support 
reps; and they also offer some extra-cost support (e.g., for maintaining 
wordpress installs) - so I don't know what their support is like for the 
great unwashed.


Best customer service I've found from anyone - so, for a no-muss, 
no-fuss recommendation, that's where I'd point them.


Miles Fidelman

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Re: [mailop] Microsoft banned sender (Linode hosted IPs)

[Michael Rathbun via mailop]

On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 20:12:13 +, Andy Smith via mailop 
wrote:

>Following the link leads to a delist form but this comes back as
>"139.162.167.107 is not listed" and then says to get the Microsoft
>tenant to open a ticket. I've asked my recipient to do that and they
>said they would today, but I haven't heard back with a ticket number
>yet.

This is eight-year-old data, but we would regularly find that an address or
block of addresses, in a problem escalated to us from India, was present in
the "Banned Sender List", a flat text file which was invisible to support
people world-wide.  During my time at Exchange Online as a spam analyst, I
recall using vi as root on the Linux box that handled that manually-maintained
list.

I had thought they would have disposed of that, by now.

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Re: [mailop] Anyone want to have fun?

[Renaud Allard via mailop]

On 3/3/22 16:17, Michael Peddemors via mailop wrote:

whois emailsvr.net
No match for domain "EMAILSVR.NET"

Time to register a domain?

CONN: 34.194.188.63 -> 25 GeoIP = [US] PTR = 
otransport-22.outbound.emailsrv.net


And who would put a professional service on an AWS IP with no SWIP/rwhois?


emailsrv or emailsvr?


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[mailop] Anyone want to have fun?

[Michael Peddemors via mailop]

whois emailsvr.net
No match for domain "EMAILSVR.NET"

Time to register a domain?

CONN: 34.194.188.63 -> 25 GeoIP = [US] PTR = 
otransport-22.outbound.emailsrv.net


And who would put a professional service on an AWS IP with no SWIP/rwhois?

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Re: [mailop] Microsoft banned sender (Linode hosted IPs)

[Andy Smith via mailop]

On Tue, Mar 01, 2022 at 08:12:13PM +, Andy Smith via mailop wrote:
> Forwarding the mail to del...@messaging.microsoft.com so far hasn't
> produced a response but it's only been a short while.

Did eventually get an auto response from
del...@messaging.microsoft.com with a do-not-reply address, with
blurb linking me to the de-list portal mentioned below:

> Following the link leads to a delist form but this comes back as
> "139.162.167.107 is not listed" and then says to get the Microsoft
> tenant to open a ticket. I've asked my recipient to do that and they
> said they would today, but I haven't heard back with a ticket number
> yet.

…which still says this IP (139.162.167.107) is not listed:

The IP address in question is not currently blocked in our
system. Please refer to the email message you received from
Microsoft and follow the steps it suggests.

If you're trying to delist a banned or blocked sender, please
open a support ticket from your tenant.

The first suggestion is circular of course, since that's how I got
there. Getting the Microsoft tenant to raise a ticket is the only
advice left. I'm still waiting to hear back if that happened.

Cheers,
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Re: [mailop] What the f**k, Google?

[Simon Wilson via mailop]

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Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2022 09:25:11 +
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 Subject: Re: [mailop] What the f**k, Google?
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On Thu, Mar 03, 2022, Bill Cole via mailop wrote:


Interestingly, none of my GMail accounts has ever had ham misclassified as
spam.


Again: how do you know whether you didn't even receive a "ham"
e-mail because it was "misclassified as spam" and rejected during
the SMTP dialogue? Do you get a list of mails which didn't reach
you?

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As a side note:
- I've always considered it decent list etiquette to identify  
yourself, particularly when mailing lists obscure origin. Is that not  
the case on this list any more?


Simon.

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Re: [mailop] What the f**k, Google?

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On Thu, Mar 03, 2022, Bill Cole via mailop wrote:

> Interestingly, none of my GMail accounts has ever had ham misclassified as
> spam.

Again: how do you know whether you didn't even receive a "ham"
e-mail because it was "misclassified as spam" and rejected during
the SMTP dialogue? Do you get a list of mails which didn't reach
you?

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Re: [mailop] Who Do You Recommend for Small Business Regular (Non-Bulk) Email?

[Andrew C Aitchison via mailop]

On Wed, 2 Mar 2022, Anne Mitchell via mailop wrote:


All,

For some reason we have recently had a spate of small businesses
coming to us asking us for our recommendations for a service to host
their regular one-to-one business communications.  Google and MS
seem to have the business email hosting thing locked up tight, but
surely there must be email providers out there that are friendlier,
easier to set up, and maybe even with some decent support (or is
that a pipe dream?)

If a small business (say less than 10 people, hosts their website at
their registrar's free hosting service, or Square or Wix) were to
come to you and ask you from where they should send their one-to-one
regular business correspondence email, who would you recommend?


mythic-beasts.com

They are also a registrar and host websites (and ssh shell accounts).
I thought they had presence in the UK and the US,
but I can only find reference to UK and NL.

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