RE: MD: Sony's new Internet Audio Recording Interface
Ralph Smeets wrote: On the PC, it's not only the ATRAC algorithm that's running, but also writing a packet of data received by the soundcard to memory, and writing this data back to disc. I just did an experiment. On my 350 Mhz Pentium II, I can write data to my old hard disk at 2.5 MB/sec, using 5% CPU time, so writing an ATRAC data stream (say 40KB/sec) would use ~ .1% of available CPU. I then ran Windows Sound Recorder (hint: probably not mega efficient) at 44.1kHz 16 bit stereo, requiring less than 1% CPU time. An 11.9 mS time frame gives me ~ 512 samples per channel, which is 256 * 9 FFT butterflies* per frame. Guessing 40 instructions per butterfly gives 256*9*40 operation per frame per channel, or 256*9*40*84 ops per channel per second, which is 15 Mips. You have to add bit allocation and so forth, so double this to get ~ 30 Mips. My CPU can do 350 Mips. simon * where a "butterfly" is a' = a * sin(w) + b * cos(w); b' = a * cos(w) + b * sin(w); and the sines and coses are obtained from a lookup table - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony's new Internet Audio Recording Interface
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * "Magic" [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Wed, 08 Mar 2000 | Fair enough, however, modern DIMMs are much much faster than the RAM you | would find in the MD. The processor is also much much faster. If it takes me | 3 instructions to do what the ATRAC chip does in 1, that means I can do it | at the same speed if my processor does instructions in 1/3 of the time. You are comparing apples and eggs. The ATRAC DSP does not work the same way a general purpose processor works. The measurement is not how many instructions they can process per second; the measurement is how much data they can process per second. And the fact remains that a dedicated DSP can process more data per second than any current generation desktop PC. that's my whole point. DSPs are designed to do 'number crunching'. I've been involved in the functional verification of the ST100 DSP core. Our team (including me) verifies also the design of the SH4 (The CPU you'll find in the DreamCast). DSP and CPU architectures are completely different. DSP's are optimized to keep the data flowing. However their are NOT designed to handle control tasks (Ie, handle interupts etc.). A CPU however is a very general purpose processor that has to be able to loads of things. Compare it with cars. If you look at a particular price-class, you'll find a wide range of cars. Varying from sporty cars to mini-vans. The sports-car will do one thing very well: Going Fast. The mini-van however will transport a lot for you, but they won't go very fast. If you build a DSP for one special purpose, you'll be able to optimize the core even more. Looking at the evolution of ATRAC, I believe that until the birth of ATRAC 3.x, Sony was unable to design an ATRAC encoder that was fast enough to do the encoding 'unoticable'. Why do I come to this conclussion, simple: - Sony knew how they could improve their algorithm and therefore build a decoder that could handle future encoding schemas. - ATRAC 3.0 and higher implements 3 frequency bands that can be modified. Ie, they aren't fixed like ATRAC 1 and 2. This requires a lot more processing power. Cheers, Ralph -- === Ralph SmeetsFunctional Verification Centre Of Competence - CMG Voice: (+33) (0)4 76 58 44 46 STMicroelectronics Fax:(+33) (0)4 76 58 40 11 5, chem de la Dhuy Mobile: (+33) (0)6 82 66 62 70 38240 MEYLAN E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FRANCE === "For many years, mankind lived just like the animals. And then something happened that unleashed the powers of our imagination: We learned to talk." -- Stephen Hawking, later used by Pink Floyd -- === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: DAT to Minidisc
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Re: MD: Sony JB940 info...
On Wed, 8 Mar 2000, Timothy P. Stockman wrote: Hi, Sony MegaStorage® CD Changer Control CD Text and Custom FileT Transfer from CD Via Control A-1 II I must mention a couple things related to that. I'm fond of Sony's specs "blurring" stating facts that aren't real. First, (I have a MDS-JA20ES and a CDP-CX57 50+1) the MegaStorage® CD Changer Control is an absolute crap: - The MD hangs frequently - It introduces short "phantom" songs (5sec or so) while the jukebox is changing CDs. No matter if you're using digital connections. Second, the CD-Text transfer is almost absolutely useless. All CD-Text CDs (the 2-5% of total available CDs I guess) are CD-Text copy protected, and the MD will refuse to copy it. So I see null benefit from that. Third, have a closer look at the "Custom File Memory" feature: "If you have a Sony CD Player with Custom File memory and S-Link interface, you're in luck. The disc names and track names you've entered for your CDs don't need to be re-entered when you edit to MD!" Take this with a grain of salt; first, there are only one "custom bla bla file" that actually does what expected, ala car changers: remember CD information based on a per CD (non slot related) basis. And AFAIK, it can only remember CD titles, not track names. The only case where track names appear are CD-Text CDs, but those are not copiable! I know only about a couple CDP-CX* units that support "Custom File MEMORY", they are the more (and absolutley unjustified) expensive CX-270 (not absolutely sure) and the CX-350. The rest have "Custom File X", features, with subtle differences in the term, but huge in the facts. The other "custom file..." variants, are crap. You label slot positions, not CDs itself. There is also an additional 13 character max limit. Heh, a great way to manage 200 or 300 CDs... So my advice is, if you have a computer, to judge MD and CD Jukeboxes by its sonic quality and connections convenience. You rather invest the extra cost for those "features" on the only satisfactory way to handle them on a coordinated/integrated manner: computer S-Link based solutions (but beware, not the Sony's MD-Editor!). I'm working on a S-Link resource site and will announce it on the list when is done. greets, *---(*)---**-- Francisco J. Montilla System Network administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] irc: pukkaSevilleSpain INSFLUG (LiNUX) Coordinator: www.insflug.org - ftp.insflug.org - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Car MD
On Wed, 8 Mar 2000, Dave Helgerson wrote: Hi, I'm not having a lot of fun trying to find an MD player for my car. A couple of stores don't carry them because "they don't sell well." How can they sell well if you don't carry them?? Best Buy has one Sony model and won't special order anything. What I'd really like to get is a Pioneer that would control my existing 6 disc CD changer and would fit right in where my Pioneer cassette head is. Does anyone have any advice? If you need a pioneer, and want the MD in the head unit, there's little room for advice: there's only one available. If you prefer the head unit to control an MD and a CD charger, then I guess the offer is wider... greets, *---(*)---**-- Francisco J. Montilla System Network administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] irc: pukkaSevilleSpain INSFLUG (LiNUX) Coordinator: www.insflug.org - ftp.insflug.org - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony's new Internet Audio Recording Interface
From: Ralph Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 9:06 AM Subject: Re: MD: Sony's new Internet Audio Recording Interface [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * "Magic" [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Wed, 08 Mar 2000 | Fair enough, however, modern DIMMs are much much faster than the RAM you | would find in the MD. The processor is also much much faster. If it takes me | 3 instructions to do what the ATRAC chip does in 1, that means I can do it | at the same speed if my processor does instructions in 1/3 of the time. You are comparing apples and eggs. The ATRAC DSP does not work the same way a general purpose processor works. The measurement is not how many instructions they can process per second; the measurement is how much data they can process per second. And the fact remains that a dedicated DSP can process more data per second than any current generation desktop PC. that's my whole point. DSPs are designed to do 'number crunching'. I've been involved in the functional verification of the ST100 DSP core. Our team (including me) verifies also the design of the SH4 (The CPU you'll find in the DreamCast). DSP and CPU architectures are completely different. DSP's are optimized to keep the data flowing. However their are NOT designed to handle control tasks (Ie, handle interupts etc.). A CPU however is a very general purpose processor that has to be able to loads of things. Compare it with cars. If you look at a particular price-class, you'll find a wide range of cars. Varying from sporty cars to mini-vans. The sports-car will do one thing very well: Going Fast. The mini-van however will transport a lot for you, but they won't go very fast. Ok. Now assume your sports car is built to be price-economical (ie. at a price that a large number of people can afford rather than absolute state-of-the-art technology that hardly anyone except the super-rich can afford). It would probably have a reasonable top speed, reasonable handling, look pretty good for all accounts a nice little consumer sports car. Now compare that with the Van. It's engine doesn't do a lot of work because it has been suped up - it has a didicated system handling steering, another handling suspention, it even has secondary engines to help maintain momentum when it moves. In fact, it has so many of these things in it that the actual engine itself really just handles more co-ordination of these other devices than anything else, and only has a high demand put on it when you need to really drive the system. say climbing a steep hill for example. Now assume that this engine is actually very very powerful - far more so than the engine in the sports car in terms of speed. The question is, will the suped-up van outperform the sports car? Given it's extra power advantage and assistance from other devices, I would think it probably could. If you build a DSP for one special purpose, you'll be able to optimize the core even more. Looking at the evolution of ATRAC, I believe that until the birth of ATRAC 3.x, Sony was unable to design an ATRAC encoder that was fast enough to do the encoding 'unoticable'. Why do I come to this conclussion, simple: - Sony knew how they could improve their algorithm and therefore build a decoder that could handle future encoding schemas. - ATRAC 3.0 and higher implements 3 frequency bands that can be modified. Ie, they aren't fixed like ATRAC 1 and 2. This requires a lot more processing power. There's also another thing to consider - size. It may be that a P166 could perform the ATRAC encoding, but an MD with a P166 processor in it wouldn't be portable and would probably require vast amounts of cooling to prevent it burning you if clipped to a belt! It could be that the power is there but *not* in the super-small componants required for a personal player. Take the Athlon 700MHz for example - it's a big big processor with a lot of cooling. They haven't made one small enough to fit in a laptop PC yet, let alone something as small as a portable MD!! Magic -- "Creativity is more a birthright than an acquisition, and the power of sound is wisdom and understanding applied to the power of vibration." Location : Portsmouth, England, UK Homepage : http://www.mattnet.freeserve.co.uk EMail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Car MD
I'm not having a lot of fun trying to find an MD player for my car. A couple of stores don't carry them because "they don't sell well." How can they sell well if you don't carry them?? Best Buy has one Sony model and won't special order anything. What I'd really like to get is a Pioneer that would control my existing 6 disc CD changer and would fit right in where my Pioneer cassette head is. Does anyone have any advice? Here in the UK, there's the Pioneer MEH-P5000R, which sells for about 230UKP (~$372), and the pricier MEH-P9000R which is about 490UKP (~$793). More information about them is at: http://www.pioneer-eur.com/products/car/mden.htm From looking at the specs, both can control CD changers (even the 100 disc ones). You might be able to find a US mail order supplier by asking in the rec.audio.car newsgroup. If that doesn't get you anywhere, someone in uk.rec.audio.car might be able to put you in touch with a supplier over here who could ship to the US. -- Simon - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: MZR55 for USD 249.99 at the Wiz
Thought this was interesting. The Wiz has an advert in today's NY Daily News, offering the Sony MZR55 for USD249.99. The sale is good until 11 March, and applies to stores in and around NYC (including, New Jersey and Connecticut). Maybe someone in that area has been waiting for just this moment. Regards, James __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: pionner car MD
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 20:50:54 -0600 (EST) From: Ian Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: MD: Car MD On Wed, 8 Mar 2000, Dave Helgerson wrote: won't special order anything. What I'd really like to get is a Pioneer that would control my existing 6 disc CD changer and would fit right in where my Pioneer cassette head is. Does anyone have any advice? i own a pionner 5000 MD car player (don't remember the exact reference. It's a great unit. plenty of options. two bugs though: it misses the ability to disable the beeps when pressing buttons. it does not keep utoc in memory when flashing RDS news from the radio. So after the flash is over, the unit has to reread the utoc (3-5 secs) before restarting where it was. i don't know how sony's react. it will control your changer though, but i don't have one. feel free to ask any questions Denis -- please note my new email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony MDS-JB940 and Long-Play Mode
On Wed, 8 Mar 2000, Daryl O. wrote: snip a long-play mode that "[c]aptures up to 5 hours, 20 minutes of stereo music on a single 80-minute MiniDisc." Does anyone know anything about this? Discs recorded in this special long-play mode couldn't possibly be compatible with older decks, right? Unfortunately, you are (almost definitely) right. Jonathan - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: DAT to Minidisc
Rather than paying for someone's time for labor, you might want to look into renting a DAT and doing the work yourself. The same Pro-Audio places around here that rent out PA and lighting equipment also rent out portable DAT units. ___ === The original message was multipart MIME=== === All non-text parts (attachments) have been removed === Hi - does anyone know of a DAT to Minidisc transfer service in the UK? = The only place I've been able to find has quoted me =A330 for about = 20-30 minutes of audio, which seems a little steep to me. Thanks, Andi Allan === MIME part removed : text/html; === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: SCMS information
Been meaning to answer this for a long time. Martin Schiff quoted something David Tosti-Lane had posted in CompuServe's midiforum, which read, in part, | If it sees a "0" here, then copyright is enabled, if it sees a "1", | copyright is not enabled, and it stops looking. Again, I strongly suspect | that consumer MD recorders by default set this bit to "0" on _all_ | recordings, regardless of their origin. His suspicion was ill-founded. My Sony and Aiwa MD recorders, and my Pioneer CD recorder, all being consumer machines, make SCMS-unlimited copies when fed digital input from SCMS-unlimited sources. As Petr Simanek originally posted here, the SCMS status of an MD segment can be read on Sony decks (well, not the ATRAC 4.0 series) in Retry Cause Display mode while the unit is playing it [or paused while playing it]. The status byte breaks down as follows: bit 7: 0 = premastered, 1 = recordable bit 6: 0 = SCMS-restricted, 1 = SCMS-unrestricted bit 5: 0 = SCMS-original, 1 = SCMS-copied bit 4: always 0 on MiniDiscs bit 3: always 0 on MiniDiscs bit 2: always 1 on MiniDiscs bit 1: 0 = monaural, 1 = stereophonic bit 0: 0 = not preemphasized, 1 = preemphasized So typically the high nybble will be 0 for premastered MDs, 8 for recordings of analog input, A for recordings of digital input from types 0 or 8, and E for SCMS-unlimited material. The low nybble will be 6 for stereo and 4 for mono (add 1 if the segment is preemphasized). Despite Mr. Tosti-Lane's expectations, digital transfers of type-E material to consumer-grade recorders are type E. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: E44 / portable that clips
Howdy everyone, I have a pal who is keen to get an MD portable - playback preferably. He's looking at the Sony MZ-E44 (blue, sparkly, big "X" across the front - it's still very much a current model in N.Z.). But the main place he wants to use it is at the gym, running etc, and so he needs to wear the thing on him, but won't have any pockets etc. What he really needs is an MD with a belt clip, since portables are light and small enough not to be a hassle if they're strapped to you when you're being vigorous, but he can't find one that has a belt clip. Oh, and good shock protection, but I guess they all have that, my MZ-E25 is no spring chicken, but it's had a battering and it takes it a lot to skip. he has a discman but of course it does worse than any MD portable in all departments. He saw the E44 has a strap, but was uncertain on how you' use it! Can anyone recommend a portable (preferably player, preferably sony but anything considered) that either has a belt clip or something else that makes it suitable for the gym or whatever? I know personally I'd never use a belt clip because they look a bit random - I usually carry the thing, stick it in a pocket, or (esp. when mountainbiking) in my bag but sometimes you don't have much choice! Also can anyone comment on the MZ-E44/45 and the use of the strap thing? thanks richard Richard Lang Duncan Cotterill Christchurch, NZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: List operation
Shawn Lin wrote, | I was on a list like that once too, where Reply-to was to the sender. | VERY little traffic on that list, LOTS of questions, never an answer! | Even when I'd search through their archives... all questions and no | answers. | I think all answers were sent via private email, because even I asked a | lot of questions and received privately emailed answers. That certainly is not my experience with reply-to-sender lists. Generally people have known how to use their reply-to-all commands to respond publicly when they wished to, and RTS lists are as busy as RTL lists, except that they don't carry items that were intended privately but accidentally sent to the whole list. A poster who specifically wants public replies can always point Reply-To: to the list on his or her post, and an RTS list leaves it unmo- lested. If people did not do that on the list Shawn remembers, then they may well have preferred private replies. I've never seen an RTS list wither because all replies were sent privately. Most RTL proponents say it happens all the time, but in truth, it doesn't. Now, Nick has made his decision, and from what I've seen the majority here like reply-to-list, so RTL it will stay. If a member has decent filtering software, (s)he can always convert an RTS list to RTL format; but a member of an RTL list who wants it in RTS format is limited, though, because there is no way to tell whether the poster's original submission had its own Reply-To: line, let alone what it read. The RTL option on the list that I run saves the original reply address (from From: if there was no Reply-To:) in X-Author-Reply-To: so that the information is available. If other RTL lists did something like that, so that we'd know where to send private replies when we want to (or that the poster specifically wants only public replies and had pegged Reply-To: to the list), then they'd be just as flexible as RTS lists. If incoming Reply-To: addresses were preserved somewhere, I could rename that to Reply-To: and have the full RTS format I like while the RTL crowd could get it the way they please. Either that, or the list could offer both modes, as my list does. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Sony MD on Sale at The Wiz
I had some e-mail problems earlier today, so my apologies if this is a duplicate message. I thought this was interesting. The Wiz has an advert in today's NY Daily News, offering the Sony MZR55 for USD249.99. The sale is good until 11 March, and applies to stores in and around NYC (including, New Jersey and Connecticut). Maybe someone in that area has been waiting for just this moment. Regards, James __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Long-Play Mode on the JB940 JB530
"Daryl O." wrote: I've just accessed the link from the community page to Video Direct Distributors' page regarding the new Sony MDS-JB940, and one feature particularly piqued my interest: a long-play mode that "[c]aptures up to 5 hours, 20 minutes of stereo music on a single 80-minute MiniDisc." Does anyone know anything about this? Discs recorded in this special long-play mode couldn't possibly be compatible with older decks, right? I have a Sony MDS-JE530 deck, and this unit has Pitch Control. This means you can play back slightly faster or a lot slower, 1/16 of the original speed is no problem at all. (I mean for the deck, not for the listener :-) I have a computer with a digital connection to my deck (duplex), so if I have a wave file (16 bits 44100 Hz, stereo), I can convert it to 11025 Hz, and play it back as if it is a normal 44100 Hz wave file. Effectively playing it back at 4x normal speed. When I record this on my deck, I can play the recording back at the right speed with Pitch -24 (1/4 of normal speed). The quality is still surprisingly good. No noise! I see (hear!) three problems with this: - 1. With the conversion from 44.1 to 11.025 kHz you lose all the sounds above +/- 5500 Hz, - 2. ATRAC reduces the high sounds also. I mean if you have a 5 kHz tone, than ATRAC will treat it as a 20 kHz tone. - 3. Recording at 1/4 of the normal speed, also means only 1/4 of the information that is normally recorded can be stored. My guess is that the JB940 only has problem 1 and 3 in long-play mode. If the recording in long-play mode is achieved by converting the compressed (ATRAC) data, than problem 2 doesn't exist. So, I think that long-play tracks can be played back in all decks, but only decks with pitch control are able to play it back at the right speed. :-) I also think recording in long-play mode would be great for portable units. Imaging recording 10 hours of lectures in mono on a single 74min59sec MD. If Sony would sell such a unit (without end search button of course), it would make MD famous even in the USA ;-) Niels Amstelveen, The Netherlands - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: OT: Purchase Plextor CD-R Drives online
G'day, Sorry for the OT, but i am wanting to buy a Plextor CDR pack online but i can't find anywhere that will ship internationally (ie. to Australia!) Does anyone know where i could buy a Plextor drive online that will ship to Australia or know any way that i could get around this?? Thanks heaps. Jason Lynch EOM NOTICE - This message contains information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. It may also be confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: DJ Minidiscs
What's special about these DJ units? Can they control a satellite dish, can you mix in from other sources with it? I was anticipating on something so I could play a song, and insert things in, to kind of have fun a little, and my primary want is to record a lot of shows most likely from satellite at certain times automatically. Is this player capable of cutting commercials from radio like that? What can it do that normal md decks can't? At 08:22 PM 3/8/00 -0600, you wrote: I own a Denon M2000R DJ minidisc recorder/player. I;ve been using it for three months. Do you guys have any specific questions? Edmund White [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony's new Internet Audio Recording Interface
Magic wrote: Now compare that with the Van. It's engine doesn't do a lot of work because it has been suped up - it has a didicated system handling steering, another handling suspention, it even has secondary engines to help maintain momentum when it moves. In fact, it has so many of these things in it that the actual engine itself really just handles more co-ordination of these other devices than anything else, and only has a high demand put on it when you need to really drive the system. say climbing a steep hill for example. Now assume that this engine is actually very very powerful - far more so than the engine in the sports car in terms of speed. What have you been smoking? I got a mini-van and it only has one engine. It ain't suped-up. Yours must not be made in the Motor City. -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MD jukebox...
What if you accidentally ditch the toc? I don't like paying for things I can lose accidentally really easily. At 11:52 PM 3/8/00 GMT, you wrote: I saw on "Tomorrow's World" (a UK science and technology programme if you didn't know what it is) an item about music of the future. Other than mentions of MP3, they also showed an MD jukebox. It was about the same size as a traditional jukebox. You put your MD in the machine, selected the song you wanted to put onto it, and it said "within a few seconds the track was copied to you're Minidisc". The cost was about 2 a song. They're coming to the UK steets soon from Japan. This looks like a really great idea, and should spread the usage of MD's. I'm also interested how the tracks are copied to the MD's so quickly. Does anyone know how this is done? Cheers, aLeX - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony's new Internet Audio Recording Interface
* "Magic" [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Thu, 09 Mar 2000 | Ok. Now assume your sports car is built to be price-economical (ie. at a | price that a large number of people can afford rather than absolute | state-of-the-art technology that hardly anyone except the super-rich can | afford). It would probably have a reasonable top speed, reasonable handling, | look pretty good for all accounts a nice little consumer sports car. But your Mazda Miata (your "consumer sports car") needs a lot of supertuning to even think about competing with my "stock" Shelby Cobra GT-350. The analogy is not all that good, though. -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ Caution: Happy Fun Ball may suddenly Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ accelerate to dangerous speeds. PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
