Re: MD: CD quality compared to MD quality
"Even the most expensive test equipment doesn't measure subtle differences well. The human ear is more sensitive than the most expensive "equipment" in the world." This is a very important point. Although there are some quantitative tests that are of value, when you are talking about things like audio or video, everyone is going to hear and see things slightly differently. I think that you reach a point where you begin paying for air when it comes to so called high end. If you want to you can go crazy with theories and think that you are 100% sure that the $10,000 power amp is much better then the $1500.00 receiver. Where do you draw the line? Bi amps? Tri amplification?? There are limitations to human hearing. At some point you will reach a point where you are not hearing "better" sound only different sound. Take the Sub woofer for example. The theory is always thrown out that very low frequencies are not directional and therefore you do not need separate right and left subwoofers. But has anyone actually tried using a separate subwoofer for each channel? There is a difference in the sound and feel. Yes I say feel because at some point frequencies are so low that you feel them as much as hear them. Just my 2 cents plain (joke for any old timers like me-No I'm not going to start the Historical Bum song again don't worry) Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: forward from CasetteHouse... cheap.
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === This is a very reputable company and the price of this special sounds good. But you have to factor in the shipping and service charge. That will raise the price somewhat. Larry PS It really pisses me off when sites like CNET list prices. They will say, "such and such has the lowest price". They never factor in shipping. I constantly see things that are actually much higher than their competitor once you factor in the shipping charge. Eric Woudenberg wrote: === = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === Thanks Zach, I'm forwarding it to the MD mailing list. -Rick Here is an email from Casettehouse I recieved the other day... We are having a sale on HI-SPACE minidiscs. These have proven to be an excellent minidisc. 5 Pack, HI-SPACE 4 of MD74 + 1 of MD80 $6.95 ($1.39 each) each with 2 piece flip case and each minidisc is a different color. You can find them at a "secret" web page: http://www.tape.com/hispace.html This sale ends at midnight 09/01/00. BTW you will earn an extra 2.5 cents for every dollar spent, which can be applied to future orders. See www.tape.com/buyersclub.html for more details. We take all major credit cards and have a moneyback guarantee. The free shipping thing by mentioning Blues Before Sunrise may work as well... - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: optical out is important???
"Does having an optical out improve sound quality when going to a digital receiver? If so, how come so many of the minidisc decks don't have them?" I would say that every mini disc deck currently made has a digital optical output. When you say does it make a difference do you mean compared to analog or a coaxial output? Lets not get into the Coaxial vs optical debate. At short lengths of cable it doesn't matter. Does analog vs digital (doesn't matter if it is optical or coaxial) make a difference? First of all, lets forget the term "sounds better" and use the word fidelity. They are not the same thing. Turn up the bass. Turn up the treble. Turn up the volume. Most people will say it "sounds better" Digital will produce a copy closer to the original then analog. Again, lets stop using the term "sounds better". When we are talking about the quality of a well recorded CD and MDs copied from it the sound is good period. Forget whether copying digitally makes a copy that "sounds better". The advantages are, sync (you just put your MD recorder in sync mode and as soon as the CD starts, the MD will copy automatically and be in second for second sync). Also, the track marks are recorded in perfect sync. Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: CD quality compared to MD quality
las wrote: "Even the most expensive test equipment doesn't measure subtle differences well. The human ear is more sensitive than the most expensive "equipment" in the world." I am an engineer, and I think that if we can hear something, there has to be a way to measure it. THis is science , not hokus pokus. This is a very important point. Although there are some quantitative tests that are of value, when you are talking about things like audio or video, everyone is going to hear and see things slightly differently. But instrumentation won't. I think that you reach a point where you begin paying for air when it comes to so called high end. If you want to you can go crazy with theories and think that you are 100% sure that the $10,000 power amp is much better then the $1500.00 receiver. Where do you draw the line? Bi amps? Tri amplification?? Yup, and a year later, there will be a newer model to whet your EAS..(Equipment Acquisition Syndrome) There are limitations to human hearing. At some point you will reach a point where you are not hearing "better" sound only different sound. I think you hit the nail on the head, Larry -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: optical out is important???
las wrote: Forget whether copying digitally makes a copy that "sounds better". The advantages are, sync (you just put your MD recorder in sync mode and as soon as the CD starts, the MD will copy automatically and be in second for second sync). I think you can do that with analog recording too on some units. Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: optical out is important???
From: "J. Coon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] las wrote: Forget whether copying digitally makes a copy that "sounds better". The advantages are, sync (you just put your MD recorder in sync mode and as soon as the CD starts, the MD will copy automatically and be in second for second sync). I think you can do that with analog recording too on some units. Jim Coon Actually the R3 can make a synchronised recording, its known as pressing its Pause button in REC-Pause mode fractionally before playing the CD from it's paused position. You may get 0.1-0.2 secs blank at the start but I don't care about a tiny delay. PrinceGaz. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: forward from CasetteHouse... cheap.
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === That is where is stopped my transaction! Tim - Original Message - From: las [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 2:38 AM Subject: Re: MD: forward from CasetteHouse... cheap. === = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === This is a very reputable company and the price of this special sounds good. But you have to factor in the shipping and service charge. That will raise the price somewhat. Larry PS It really pisses me off when sites like CNET list prices. They will say, "such and such has the lowest price". They never factor in shipping. I constantly see things that are actually much higher than their competitor once you factor in the shipping charge. Eric Woudenberg wrote: === = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === Thanks Zach, I'm forwarding it to the MD mailing list. -Rick Here is an email from Casettehouse I recieved the other day... We are having a sale on HI-SPACE minidiscs. These have proven to be an excellent minidisc. 5 Pack, HI-SPACE 4 of MD74 + 1 of MD80 $6.95 ($1.39 each) each with 2 piece flip case and each minidisc is a different color. You can find them at a "secret" web page: http://www.tape.com/hispace.html This sale ends at midnight 09/01/00. BTW you will earn an extra 2.5 cents for every dollar spent, which can be applied to future orders. See www.tape.com/buyersclub.html for more details. We take all major credit cards and have a moneyback guarantee. The free shipping thing by mentioning Blues Before Sunrise may work as well... - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: optical out is important???
Thanks for the info. Las wrote I would say that every mini disc deck currently made has a digital optical output. When you say does it make a difference do you mean compared to analog or a coaxial output? Most of the sony decks don't seem to have a digital out. They all have digital in. For example, Sony MD-D3 only seems to have analog out. The 900 series seems to have digital out. I am talking about connecting the deck to a receiver using digital as apposed to analog connects. When I am asking about better fidelity (that was a very good point) I am asking about listening nor recording. I know the receiver needs to change it to analog before sending it to the speakers. So I am not sure if there is a large benefit to having a deck with digital out. (Unless you want to record from minidisc to minidisc). Since the decks have digital in, there does not really exist an issue as to recording digital or analog. My cd player has a digital out. Which I can connect to the input of the deck. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: high speed dubbing
Does the high speed dubbing reduce fidelity when recording? - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: forward from CasetteHouse... cheap.
You're right shipping and handling is really important to know when you buy from a company... This is what I like with our new store at buy it online... There is no surprise price, all is include in the price... Also, we have quantity prices and soon we will create some kits with different products. In our regular website, we charge actual shipping charge, no handling charge, only what USPS and UPS charge us for shipping. What is great with Buy It Online is that they give for each New Customer $10 coupons rebate for any order of $25 and more... For this coupon, follow this link : http://www.buyitonline.com/coupons/coupons.asp?couponid=4792JCK After, simply visit our Buy It Online Store and buy anything you want. What is great is the price you see is the price you will pay, nothing more ! This is our website on Buy It Online : http://www.buyitonline.com/kheopsminidisc $10 on a $25 order it's more the 40% rebate and shipping is included ! Regards, Pierre. - Pierre Forest - Kheops Minidisc Owner http://www.kheopsminidisc.com http://www.buyitonline.com/kheopsminidisc -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of las Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 2:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MD: forward from CasetteHouse... cheap. === = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === This is a very reputable company and the price of this special sounds good. But you have to factor in the shipping and service charge. That will raise the price somewhat. Larry PS It really pisses me off when sites like CNET list prices. They will say, "such and such has the lowest price". They never factor in shipping. I constantly see things that are actually much higher than their competitor once you factor in the shipping charge. Eric Woudenberg wrote: === = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === Thanks Zach, I'm forwarding it to the MD mailing list. -Rick Here is an email from Casettehouse I recieved the other day... We are having a sale on HI-SPACE minidiscs. These have proven to be an excellent minidisc. 5 Pack, HI-SPACE 4 of MD74 + 1 of MD80 $6.95 ($1.39 each) each with 2 piece flip case and each minidisc is a different color. You can find them at a "secret" web page: http://www.tape.com/hispace.html This sale ends at midnight 09/01/00. BTW you will earn an extra 2.5 cents for every dollar spent, which can be applied to future orders. See www.tape.com/buyersclub.html for more details. We take all major credit cards and have a moneyback guarantee. The free shipping thing by mentioning Blues Before Sunrise may work as well... - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: OT: Vinyl to MP3
This is slightly offtopic, but short of wading through USEnet, this is the best place for this question. Can anyone suggest an excellent program for encoding vinyl to high quality MP3 w/o the use of a preamp or receiver/amp? Thanks, -- NP: Brett Tyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.geocities.com/brett_tyre London Drugs, Comp. Dept. "If you hear any noise/It's just me and the boys" - Parliament's 'Mothership Connection' - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Digital recordings and track marks...
But there is no code or signal in S/PDIF that means "new track starts now." I don't know how the CD subcode information is translated for S/PDIF transmission, but the subcode "P" channel on the disc is just that, a "new track starts now" signal. It is the CD's version of the "wide spiral groove" between tracks on an LP. I've don'e know if the "P" channel makes it into the S/PDIF data stream, but if it does, then the track start signal is available. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: forward from CasetteHouse... cheap
But you have to factor in the shipping and service charge. That will raise the price somewhat. I ordered 100 Hi-Space 74 MDs from Casette House a few months ago. I don't remember the exact details, but I remember shipping and handling as being quite reasonable. They weren't inflating their price that way. So far, I've used the following batches of MDs and all have worked equally well: 5 TDK 74 min 40 JVC "Crystal Gold" 74 min 50 HHB 74 min 100 HiSpace 74 min - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: CD quality compared to MD quality
"J. Coon" wrote: lI am an engineer, and I think that if we can hear something, there has to be a way to measure it. THis is science , not hokus pokus. Jim, I have been corresponding with you on the list for several years. I almost always agree with what you have to say, because I think you are right. This reply is not an exception, but rather a clarification. I think that you are missing my point when you say, "there has to be a way to measure it". I'm not saying that if the sound is clearly noticeable to the majority of normal hearing persons that it can't be measured. That's a fact. Anyone who would argue with you about that is simply mistaken. What I am says is a) there are measurements that an instrument can record that have no significance in the real world because they are beyond the realm of human hearing. b) Just because some people "hear" something (remember, it is important to use the term some people) that does not mean there is a measurable, quantitative difference. Only that some people "hear' something. How many times have you been all excited about some new piece of equipment or "improved" CD (by improved I mean that the CD had been out for some time and in order to generate new sales, the record company makes a vague reference to improvements on the "new version". But when you have other people listen to what you are all excited about, they do not notice any difference. There are two main reasons for this that I can think of. One is that the excited person is hearing what he/she wants to hear. The other is just the opposite. The person being asked to listen just doesn't have the ability to distinguish between certain variations in sound (or video for that matter). What is also important for me to make clear is that the person that can not tell the difference doesn't have to have poorer hearing then the excited person (by the standard means use to test a persons hearing). He/she hears perfectly fine. Maybe even better then the exited person, as far as testing goes. But their thought processes are not able to comprehend the difference. I'm NOT speaking of a psychoacoustic or (and I am using this term only to avoid another stupid thread) psychosomatic effect. Two people have good eyesight. In fact one of the person's is even better then the other. Both read something. Both understand each individual word. But when placed in a specific order, the person with the "just good" eyesight might fully understand what he/she has read and the person with the better eyesight has trouble understanding the exact meaning. This has nothing to do with intelligence either!! The person that can't quite "get it" (btw, I hope that everyone on the list is getting it and as often as they wantG) may be "rated" with a super intelligence. It's just that there are areas where very bright people excel and at the same time this brilliant people may just not be "good" in certain areas. So why can't the same be said for what one hears?? Yup, and a year later, there will be a newer model to whet your EAS..(Equipment Acquisition Syndrome) I think you hit the nail on the head, Larry I like that EAS!!! It is so true. Each year most equipment manufactures make "changes" and "improvements" to their products. But often these "improvements" are actually only things that make the product look a little different and in many cases are done because it is cheaper for the manufacture to produce (even though they may charge a premium for the newer model. I'm not going to touch planned obsolesce. We could start a thread there that would never end and probably spend months just talking about Sony. Enjoy your weekend, Larry -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Digital recordings and track marks...
I had written, T But there is no code or signal in S/PDIF that means "new track starts now." Timothy Stockman responded, S I don't know how the CD subcode information is translated for S/PDIF S transmission, but the subcode "P" channel on the disc is just that, a "new S track starts now" signal. It is the CD's version of the "wide spiral S groove" between tracks on an LP. I've don'e know if the "P" channel makes S it into the S/PDIF data stream, but if it does, then the track start signal S is available. There have been discussions before about the subcode channels (though I don't remember anyone's saying until you did now, Tim, that the very signal needed is in the P-channel), and it seems that the only subcode that makes it into S/PDIF is from the Q-channel. Recorders depend on changes in Q-channel data that would imply a new track's starting. It's unfortunate, because if S/PDIF carried that signal from the P-channel, track marking in digital transfers would be rock-solid. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: optical out is important???
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === I would say that every mini disc deck currently made has a digital optical output. When you say does it make a difference do you mean compared to analog or a coaxial output? Most of the sony decks don't seem to have a digital out. They all have digital in. For example, Sony MD-D3 only seems to have analog out. The 900 series seems to have digital out. I am talking about connecting the deck to a receiver using digital as apposed to analog connects. When I am asking about better fidelity (that was a very good point) I am asking about listening nor recording. I know the receiver needs to change it to analog before sending it to the speakers. So I am not sure if there is a large benefit to having a deck with digital out. (Unless you want to record from minidisc to minidisc). Since the decks have digital in, there does not really exist an issue as to recording digital or analog. My cd player has a digital out. Which I can connect to the input of the deck. Since the original Sony MZ-1 portable, which had both digital in and out, no portable recorder that I can think of do not have digital outputs. But It would have to be a very cheap MD player not to have one. I just realized this very second, you may be referring to CD players and not MD decks. As far as CD decks go, perhaps someone on the list knows of a site on the internet that has an equipment browser for CD equipment, like MD does. Have a great weekend, Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: optical out is important???
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === I would say that every mini disc deck currently made has a digital optical output. When you say does it make a difference do you mean compared to analog or a coaxial output? Most of the sony decks don't seem to have a digital out. They all have digital in. For example, Sony MD-D3 only seems to have analog out. The 900 series seems to have digital out. I am talking about connecting the deck to a receiver using digital as apposed to analog connects. When I am asking about better fidelity (that was a very good point) I am asking about listening nor recording. I know the receiver needs to change it to analog before sending it to the speakers. So I am not sure if there is a large benefit to having a deck with digital out. (Unless you want to record from minidisc to minidisc). Since the decks have digital in, there does not really exist an issue as to recording digital or analog. My cd player has a digital out. Which I can connect to the input of the deck. Since the original Sony MZ-1 portable, which had both digital in and out, no portable recorder that I can think of do not have digital outputs. But It would have to be a very cheap MD player not to have one. I just realized this very second, you may be referring to CD players and not MD decks. As far as CD decks go, perhaps someone on the list knows of a site on the internet that has an equipment browser for CD equipment, like MD does. Have a great weekend, Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: forward from CasetteHouse... cheap.
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === Peter, for a brief period of time, the largest seller of MD gear (they could get just about everything) was the infamous Mini Disc Now! For orders in the US, their prices always included shipping and handling. If it said $25 for a ten pack of brand X, that was what you paid. No hidden charges. The shipping charges were included in the price. They even went so far as to include a stepdown transformer in the price of ever Japanese domestic unit they sold. It is unfortunate that they were "fornicated" up (some how that word just doesn't work for it's slang equivalent in other areas (mainly taking "years" to deliver anything. While they existed, with the exception of terrible delivery times, they had excellent prices and support. You could email them with the dumbest question and they always responded to you rapidly. If their sales department didn't know the answer, they checked with their distributor in Japan. It is a shame that the business was not properly capitalized and that the owner probably was one of the worst business people in the world. But I remember my first order from them. The owner himself used to be the whole company. He was not a super expert about MD but really loved the media and felt that he was actually not just doing something to make money, but doing something meaningful and good deeds in getting all of this stuff for people. Unfortunately when you are pushed against the wall it can change you. This sincere person became an a***hole, even though he probably was still the same person inside. The point that I'm trying to make here is to try and always do right by your customers. If you do not personally have a passion for MD, don't run an MD business (I believe you do that that passion and wish you a lot of luck with your business). Most importantly, don't sell "half" a product. If you sell a Japanese domestic unit to someone in the US, it needs the transformer, no matter what anybody tries to tell you. Include it in the price. Larry Peter Forest wrote: You're right shipping and handling is really important to know when you buy from a company... This is what I like with our new store at buy it online... There is no surprise price, all is include in the price... Also, we have quantity prices and soon we will create some kits with different products. In our regular website, we charge actual shipping charge, no handling charge, only what USPS and UPS charge us for shipping. What is great with Buy It Online is that they give for each New Customer $10 coupons rebate for any order of $25 and more... For this coupon, follow this link : http://www.buyitonline.com/coupons/coupons.asp?couponid=4792JCK After, simply visit our Buy It Online Store and buy anything you want. What is great is the price you see is the price you will pay, nothing more ! This is our website on Buy It Online : http://www.buyitonline.com/kheopsminidisc $10 on a $25 order it's more the 40% rebate and shipping is included ! Regards, Pierre. - Pierre Forest - Kheops Minidisc Owner http://www.kheopsminidisc.com http://www.buyitonline.com/kheopsminidisc -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of las Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 2:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MD: forward from CasetteHouse... cheap. === = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === This is a very reputable company and the price of this special sounds good. But you have to factor in the shipping and service charge. That will raise the price somewhat. Larry PS It really pisses me off when sites like CNET list prices. They will say, "such and such has the lowest price". They never factor in shipping. I constantly see things that are actually much higher than their competitor once you factor in the shipping charge. Eric Woudenberg wrote: === = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === Thanks Zach, I'm forwarding it to the MD mailing list. -Rick Here is an email from Casettehouse I recieved the other day... We are having a sale on HI-SPACE minidiscs. These have proven to be an excellent minidisc. 5 Pack, HI-SPACE 4 of MD74 + 1 of MD80 $6.95 ($1.39 each) each with 2 piece flip case and each minidisc is a different
RE: MD: optical out is important???
I am referring to minidisc decks. I am pretty sure many of the ones currently on the market only have analog out. If you look at this sight http://www.video-direct.com/sony/minidisc/compare.html you will notice that only 2 of the 4 decks have some form of digital out. Also, my sharp 722 doesn't have a digital out. It only has analog out. I would say that every mini disc deck currently made has a digital optical output. When you say does it make a difference do you mean compared to analog or a coaxial output? Most of the sony decks don't seem to have a digital out. They all have digital in. For example, Sony MD-D3 only seems to have analog out. The 900 series seems to have digital out. I am talking about connecting the deck to a receiver using digital as apposed to analog connects. When I am asking about better fidelity (that was a very good point) I am asking about listening nor recording. I know the receiver needs to change it to analog before sending it to the speakers. So I am not sure if there is a large benefit to having a deck with digital out. (Unless you want to record from minidisc to minidisc). Since the decks have digital in, there does not really exist an issue as to recording digital or analog. My cd player has a digital out. Which I can connect to the input of the deck. Since the original Sony MZ-1 portable, which had both digital in and out, no portable recorder that I can think of do not have digital outputs. But It would have to be a very cheap MD player not to have one. I just realized this very second, you may be referring to CD players and not MD decks. As far as CD decks go, perhaps someone on the list knows of a site on the internet that has an equipment browser for CD equipment, like MD does. Have a great weekend, Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: OT: New Computer
=== The original message was multipart MIME=== === All non-text parts (attachments) have been removed === Attached is a post I wrote regarding a computer I just got yesterday. (I hope the attachment works. If it doesn't and you're interested in the subject, please E-Mail me and I will forward the post individually.) Thanks. === MIME part removed : Message/RFC822 === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Apoligize
Hi all. I apologize if my replies seem even longer winded than usual. The last one in my nest just left to start her second year at college and I guess that I am a little depressed. Don't mean to use the list as a release. All of my replies were on topic. Maybe just a little too long. It's kind of a mixed feeling (like seeing your mother in law going off a cliff in your brand new Mercedes G). I really like it when it is just my wife and I. But I enjoy having my daughter around for the summer. On the other hand, when she is at school I have know way of knowing if she is staying out late, etc. When she is home and she does, I worry. Don't get me wrong. This is probably my best behaved of the 4 ( and the others were not that bad). She is a real worrier and can drive you nuts with that too. So this is a real mixed blessing with mixed feelings for me. "How can you laugh when you know I'm down" [Beatles] Again my apologizes. But I did think of something while I was writing all the BS. If the MiniDisc org had a small membership fee (I'm not saying that you had to pay it to be on the list, don't misunderstand me) maybe we could afford to do some of the research that we are always arguing about. Also, maybe we could have an annual meeting. Another thought. Colleges and universities are always looking for bullshit ( once again don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying that I think doing testing and comparing CD, MD, MP3 etc. is bull, just when compared to finding a vaccine for AIDS, it isn't really important) research projects. Maybe the MD org could convince some colleges to do some research on the things that we are debating here. Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: should we wait for lp.
They could. But A home DVD-Video recorder costs around $2500. So did the first home CD player. That can drop if it catches on. A portable DVD-Video player w/ 4" LCD panel costs around $900. Actually $675 or so in Sam's Club. The price is dropping already. When they first came out they were a grand. I don't want to to think about what a portable DVD recorder would cost. But would the actual electronics involved in making the unit cost the manufacture much more than a portable MD recorder? I doubt it. So, what would "M-DVD-Audio" entail? The ratification of the DVD-Audio specification for a start. The spec exists, but the RIAA has been bitching about the lack of copy protection on it. OK, so we have to put up with SCMS again. It's already in place. Then a "mini-DVD" specification needs to be defined for the smaller form factor media. Then all of the existing DVD specifications need to be revised to incorporate the new media type. Once all that is done, manufacturers can start producing and selling units. This would depend upon Sony and whom ever (does anyone know who has the license for DVDs?) has the license for the DVD format. Don't forget Sony and Phillips managed to get together bring out the CD (then they split and came out with the MD and DCC). I know a patent usually expires on a product after 17 years. But I wonder how standards work. Once the patent expires it seems that you can change the specifications and maybe your product will be backwards compatible (if you want) or not-if you don't care. Backwards compatability always insures that people will not feel they have to through out their existing collection of what ever (like 5 1/4" floppy discs). But it can drastically limit the improvements that you can make to something new. Have a nice weekend, Ratman (some day you have to explain to people like me who are the uninformed, why you have the handle Stainless Steel Rat, or why anyone would want to for that matter). Of course in a backhanded sort of way I can think of one compliment for the rodent) not the person, the actual animal). "What's the difference between a lawyer and a rat? There are some things that a rat won't do" - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: optical out is important???
"Yaniv S. Eyny" wrote: I am referring to minidisc decks. I am pretty sure many (If any, I doubt that the term many applies) of the ones currently on the market only have analog out. If you look at this sight http://www.video-direct.com/sony/minidisc/compare.html you will notice that only 2 of the 4 decks have some form of digital out. Also, my sharp 722 doesn't have a digital out. It only has analog out. No portable that I know of has a digital output any more. But this is the first time that I have heard of a deck not having a digital output. They must be ultra low end decks! Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony MD mono workarounds...
My apologies for the slow reply. Also I will be away for the next 5 days, but I will try to respond to any messages when I get back. On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, David W. Tamkin wrote: OK, I'm confused. I thought originally that you said that the Sony machines were combining the right channel of sample N-1 with the left channel of sample N. So lopping off one sample of leading silence from the right channel would move sample N(R) to position N-1(R), where the MD recorder would pair it with sample N(L). My wording was not exactly optimum. A diagram should help. Original signal, flat with a noise spike (think of the signal as 'moving' in the direction of the arrow with time) | | L --| | --- | | R --| ^ Input samples taken here The signal which the MD combines to make the mono output is | | L --| | --- | | R --| ^ Input samples taken here So, removing the first sample of the right channel before feeding into the MD will restore the original when it is monauralized. But when I tried it with a mono track that peaked at 100%, lopping off a sample from the start of the right channel cut the peak to 98.5%, while doing it from the left channel instead cut it to 99.1%. The only thing that got proper results was the R3's method of dropping the right channel. What did a straight mono recording with no phase shifting give (or is that what you are measuring things relative to)? Unfortunately I'm having no luck with the files you uploaded; they don't seem to come out right for me. What happens to the files? For the mono one, does the level meter stay on full throughout or does the reading start to decrease steadily after about the first 5/6 seconds of the recording of the file? Also, when you say that the mono track peaked at 100%, do you mean the actual original, or when it has been recorded in stereo to the MD (comparing with the level after stereo recording to the MD would eliminate the effects of the ATRAC, which could possibly account for or at least affect the results). I have been thinking about this - what is strange is that, assuming the MD did not have the problem I have described, the same (frequency-dependant) volume loss pattern would occur when the signal was phase shifted in *either* direction, which is not happening. If the MD did have the problem, there would be a 'worse' direction and a 'perfect' direction when phase shifting and a straight not-shifted recording would be somewhere in the middle. Jonathan - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: CD quality compared to MD quality
"Les" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I am confused cause I do not remember who wrote what anymore, LOL I'm sure you're not the only one g I never said ATRAC degraded anything people can hear You never said that, but it's true (at least for some people). I will never believe this until someone proves it and more than a few have tried, come on over to Oak Harbor WA and try I'll offer 100.00 to anyone who can come tell me the difference in my studio; but if you loose we go to the Outback (A HIGH END restuarant, LOL) on your bill. If I lived a little closer, Larry ;-) Most serious audio people would not consider Onkyo or HK to be "high end" -- there is little difference in audio quality between a good JVC CD player and a good HK CD player. Anyone who knows audio equipment or who has ever sold audio equipment knows better than this. While not the highest end Onkyo HK are high end consumer versions whereas JVC is NOT.. But you are right, there is little difference in the sound quality which is what I tried to explain all along. SO little and subtle you can only notice it at very low volume. I would disagree, Larry, about HK vs. Onkyo vs. JVC, and I would consider myself someone who "knows audio" pretty well. Harmon-Kardon and Onkyo are *marketed* as "high-end consumer" but in reality (as you yourself wrote) they don't really sound any better than JVC. In fact, if I recall correctly, neither Onkyo nor HK ever had a CD player listed in Stereophile's recommended components, while JVC has had at least two -- one of their consumer CD players was listed as a Class C transport for several years. While some people don't give Stereophile much credence (I personally admit that I think a lot of their "tweaks" are hokey and some of their "subtle differences" are there because they want them to be there), I think that more than any of the other audio magazines, Stereophile at least does a good job of differentiating between what does and doesn't reproduce good sound. What do you consider high end by the way?? I think for CD players you have to at least get up to NAD, Adcom and the like before you can really say you're approaching "high-end." That said, there are CD players from "high-end" manufacturers that aren't that good, and CD players from "consumer" companies (like the JVC unit mentioned above) that are. And as I've said before, many people don't have "high end" components, and are perfectly happy with them -- I know you and I agree here, Larry, but I just want to reiterate that there is nothing that says you have to have "high-end" stuff to enjoy your music. That's where I disagree. While the average consumer doesn't care, you don't have to spend obscene amounts of money just to get a "high-end" system that can reveal the differences. I can agree on most of what you are saying but Again, I am very curious what you consider "high end"; if JVC decks are equal to Onkyo then are radio shack speakers in the same group as Klipsch?? Well, not anywhere near usually, but Radio Shack distributes an Optimus-branded speaker made by Linnaeus that is probably in that range. The rest of Radio Shack's stuff is pretty poor ;-) Along those lines, for years, many people in audio considered the Optimus 3400 to be the best portable CD player on the market, but who would have guessed. Kind of what I mentioned above -- even the bad companies get it right on occasion g How about +/- .0001 db; think you can hear that difference?? Or how about 5hz, think you can hear that? Have you ever had a hearing test? If equipment can't outperform the human ear then how would we ever measure human hearing? We do it every 3 months in the aviation world. This statement is simply not true but it does "sound" good, LOL. and, similarly, "J. Coon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am an engineer, and I think that if we can hear something, there has to be a way to measure it. THis is science , not hokus pokus. If you're talking about measuring test tones, dB, frequency response, you (and Jim) are entirely correct. However, my point was that musical reproduction isn't about simply reproducing test tones, certain sound levels, and the "best" flat frequency response. If it was, we would have had perfect audio reproduction years and years ago. While equipment can measure those things, it can't tell you whether or not a certain stereo system sounds more (or less) like the original performance. In terms of hearing music and the spacial, directional, and, some argue, emotional cues within it, the human ear is much more sensitive than any equipment. Two speakers that are measured by equipment to have the exact same specifications can sound remarkably different to human ears, even in controlled, double-blind testing. That's why audio magazines don't just publish measurements, and why we don't buy stereos by spec sheets. I actually think we're on the same page here, Larry, no? And finally,
MD: Art Of War - With Wesley Snipes - MD appearance
I just saw Act of War with Wesley Snipes this afternoon... There was 2-3 times some MD appearance of Sony Minidisc. Especially a nice MD recorder/player (not a clam shell, a eject MD style) and a sort of nice MD deck High Tech... It's alway cool when I saw MD in a movie... Good Week End everyone ! Peter --- Pierre Forest - http://www.kheopsminidisc.com - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Customer Service...
Thanks Las for your previous message... I agree with you at 100%, I regret to haven't known this company before... I used to be in Canada at this time and was looking to best price down there... It was not easy and I was paying too much for all my minidisc needs ! I really agree with you with the fact that when we sell something, we have to sell it with all the accessories needed to run it... For example, I used to sell some good microphone (I have only 4 left now). I got a great deal on them, they were retail price $79 (Sony Microphone Tie Pin). and I got them for $23 US only... These microphone was requiring a small special battery, not really easy to buy and to find. So I try to by it from my distributor and it was of no help... I have seek around for a week or so and find out these batteries and bought about 100 of them (since I had 100 microphones to sell). So, when I was selling these microphone, they were all set... Same thing for speakers and MD units, I always seek to sell complete unit with all accessories available... It's not always easy to find out, but I think that the customers deserve to receive unit and be able to start right away with it when they receive it... For example, when I sell a MD recorder, I always give one or two free Minidisc with it. And get sure to have all the accessories necessary to run it since the customer receive its package... Another thing really important to me, is to offer the best, for me to my customer... I sell only products I use myself... Of course, I don't have so many products but I can guaranteed that each one I sell, I use them, I like them and that I never experienced problem with them... It's the same think for the blanks minidiscs, I know that for many people, there is only Sony and TDK minidisc that they can trust. Some don't trust French Minidisc and I can't tell nothing to convince them of the contrary... Personally I use these French Minidisc all the time and I love them... Especially the techno minidisc, they have a great look, they are heat resistant and have very cool color... Instead of convince all my customer of their great quality, what I do is that I give with every order one of these great minidisc just to let my customer try it and make their own opinion... I know I could only give the cheaper minidisc I sell to my customer but for me, I prefer give the best I have and let the customer experience prove if it's ok for him or not... And since I use this policy, I received a lot of good comments about these Techno Color Minidisc... Of course, I don't make a lot of benifit when I give ONE free Minidisc when someone only by a pack of 5 but at least, I keep the hope that maybe if this customer like our service, our price, the quality of our products they will order from us again... Another thing really important to me, is to show all the product to my customer... For this reason, I'm now working to put all my products (or almost all) in 3D picture on my website. It's a lot of work of course (a lot of picture to take to do a 3D picture) but what I like with this is that the customer is able to see exactly what he will receive... Of course, since I'm alone to do all the marketing and the Web publishing, these images are maybe not perfect as I would like but I think that's a good start... 6 months ago, I was alone in this company... Since then, I have 2 employees with me. We all have another job during the day and we try to answer to every question by email during the day. Each evening after work, we work together to ship order, to reply to our customer and improve our company and website. Since I don't want to take too many benifit, I prefer keep my job during the day. Minidisc are a passion for me ! Of course, we make benifit, we have to to pay all the expense, but we try to keep competitive and to offer the best as possible to all our customer. What I really like in my business is that all my crew are as passionate as me by minidisc ! We all use the same MD recorder : an old one fashion MD Portable recorder, old but solid, a real TANK, we love it all... We exercice with it, it's a great unit ! The sharp MS-722... I know it's a big unit. There is a lot smaller by now but after try all them our choice stay with this unit... I hope to be able to run this company for a long time... We have high and down. We try to learn from our down to try to stay always high... If you have any questions, any special request, simply email me at : [EMAIL PROTECTED] My name is Pierre Forest and my friend call me Peter or Pete. Good Evening everyone ! Peter. --- Pierre Forest - http://www.kheopsminidisc.com Peter, for a brief period of time, the largest seller of MD gear (they could get just about everything) was the infamous Mini Disc Now! For orders in the US, their prices always included shipping and handling. If it said $25 for a ten pack of brand X, that was what you paid. No hidden charges.
Re: MD: Art Of War - With Wesley Snipes - MD appearance
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === Yes Peter, however I want to know how was the movie itself? Should I get the dvd?? Larry Peter Forest wrote: I just saw Act of War with Wesley Snipes this afternoon... There was 2-3 times some MD appearance of Sony Minidisc. Especially a nice MD recorder/player (not a clam shell, a eject MD style) and a sort of nice MD deck High Tech... It's alway cool when I saw MD in a movie... Good Week End everyone ! Peter --- Pierre Forest - http://www.kheopsminidisc.com - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Customer Service...
. For example, when I sell a MD recorder, I always give one or two free Minidisc with it. And get sure to have all the accessories necessary to run it since the customer receive its package... that was another thing that they did. always included a free disc and never, never took out any of the accessories. when they sold an international adapter with a unit, they still gave the customer the original 100 volt japanese transformer. take care peter, Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: optical out is important???
Yaniv wrote, | I am referring to minidisc decks. I am pretty sure many of the ones | currently on the market only have analog out. If you look at this sight | http://www.video-direct.com/sony/minidisc/compare.html | you will notice that only 2 of the 4 decks have some form of digital out. Generally, portable recorders and non-recording players don't have digital output. A few very early portable recorders did: the Sony MZ-1 and an Aiwa model, I believe. CD-MD combination decks generally do not either. Most other MD decks do. Some low-end Sonys, such as the JE320 and JE330, do not, but they are the exceptions in this category. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: CD quality compared to MD quality
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === I never said ATRAC degraded anything people can hear You never said that, but it's true (at least for some people). I will never believe this until someone proves it and more than a few have tried, come on over to Oak Harbor WA and try I'll offer 100.00 to anyone who can come tell me the difference in my studio; but if you loose we go to the Outback (A HIGH END restuarant, LOL) on your bill. If I lived a little closer, Larry ;-) If your speaking about me, Larry Sherry, I never made any statement about ATRAC causing very noticeable (if any) dedication in sound quality. I'm still the schmuck that thinks that even the original sony ATRAC version one isn't bad (STOP I know that everyone thinks I'm deaf for saying this but you have to understand that I never play MD through a, what you'd you call it (Pioneer 100 watt per channel dolby prologic etc.-I'll discuss my front speakers at a later time) medium end?? system. I consider low end something like a 400.00 + Aiwa system. although, even with their plastic speakers, some of them have "not that poor" sound quality. Most serious audio people would not consider Onkyo or HK to be "high end" -- there is little difference in audio quality between a good JVC CD player and a good HK CD player. Anyone who knows audio equipment or who has ever sold audio equipment knows better than this. While not the highest end Onkyo HK are high end consumer versions whereas JVC is NOT.. But you are right, there is little difference in the sound quality which is what I tried to explain all along. SO little and subtle you can only notice it at very low volume. I would disagree, Larry, Wow!! again, this isn't my statement!!! I think that you may have take a thread from a previous e mail and confused it with me!!! I really don't think that I wrote that. I don't agree with the statements, so i don't think I wrote them. about HK vs. Onkyo vs. JVC, and I would consider myself someone who "knows audio" pretty well. Harmon-Kardon and Onkyo are *marketed* as "high-end consumer" but in reality (as you yourself wrote) they don't really sound any better than JVC. In fact, if I recall correctly, neither Onkyo nor HK ever had a CD player listed in Stereophile's recommended components, while JVC has had at least two -- one of their consumer CD players was listed as a Class C transport for several years. While some people don't give Stereophile much credence (I personally admit that I think a lot of their "tweaks" are hokey and some of their "subtle differences" are there because they want them to be there), I think that more than any of the other audio magazines, Stereophile at least does a good job of differentiating between what does and doesn't reproduce good sound. What do you consider high end by the way?? I think for CD players you have to at least get up to NAD, Adcom and the like before you can really say you're approaching "high-end." That said, there are CD players from "high-end" manufacturers that aren't that good, and CD players from "consumer" companies (like the JVC unit mentioned above) that are. And as I've said before, many people don't have "high end" components, and are perfectly happy with them -- I know you and I agree here, Larry, but I just want to reiterate that there is nothing that says you have to have "high-end" stuff to enjoy your music. That's where I disagree. While the average consumer doesn't care, you don't have to spend obscene amounts of money just to get a "high-end" system that can reveal the differences. this is NOT Larry Sherry!! I can agree on most of what you are saying but Again, I am very curious what you consider "high end"; if JVC decks are equal to Onkyo then are radio shack speakers in the same group as Klipsch?? Not me. I usually don't even consider jvc when I think of any kind of quality audio! Well, not anywhere near usually, but Radio Shack distributes an Optimus-branded speaker made by Linnaeus that is probably in that range. The rest of Radio Shack's stuff is pretty poor ;-) Along those lines, for years, many people in audio considered the Optimus 3400 to be the best portable CD player on the market, but who would have guessed. Kind of what I mentioned above -- even the bad companies get it right on occasion g How about +/- .0001 db; think you can hear that difference?? Or how about 5hz, think you can hear that? Have you ever had a hearing test? If equipment can't outperform the human ear then how would we ever measure human hearing? We do it every 3 months in the aviation world. This statement is simply not true but it does "sound" good, LOL. and, similarly, "J. Coon" [EMAIL
Re: MD: Sony MD mono workarounds...
Jonathan peeked in, I My apologies for the slow reply. Also I will be away for the next 5 days, I but I will try to respond to any messages when I get back. Having a life needs no apology. (I've a life, but it includes a lot of time on the net.) I So, removing the first sample of the right channel before feeding into the I MD will restore the original when it is monauralized. That's what I thought, but it gave poorer results than removing one sample from the left channel's leading silence. Maybe the W1 does the reverse of what the 520 does? I'd written, T But when I tried it with a mono track that peaked at 100%, lopping off a T sample from the start of the right channel cut the peak to 98.5%, while T doing it from the left channel instead cut it to 99.1%. The only thing T that got proper results was the R3's method of dropping the right channel. Jonathan responded, I What did a straight mono recording with no phase shifting give (or is I that what you are measuring things relative to)? 99.9% on the W1, 99.8% on the F70. I'm measuring relative to maximum ampli- tude representable when the mono MD track is copied to audio CDRW and ripped back to .wav; my soundcard has no digital ports, so I cannot go digitally from MD straight to hard disk. T Unfortunately I'm having no luck with the files you uploaded; they don't T seem to come out right for me. I What happens to the files? For the mono one, does the level meter stay on I full throughout or does the reading start to decrease steadily after about I the first 5/6 seconds of the recording of the file? I've no way to feed them to the level meters short of burning them to CDRW, which I guess I could try, but at the time I wrote I wasn't sure how to interpret "left-shift" and "right-shift"; now I realize I could just look at the .wavs in an editor and see for myself. I Also, when you say that the mono track peaked at 100%, do you mean the I actual original, or when it has been recorded in stereo to the MD I (comparing with the level after stereo recording to the MD would eliminate I the effects of the ATRAC, which could possibly account for or at least I affect the results). Both the mono .wav from which I started and the one made by burning it to CDRW, recording from CDRW to MD, recording from MD to CDRW, and ripping back to hard disk peaked at 100%. I If the MD did have the problem, there would be a 'worse' direction and a I 'perfect' direction when phase shifting and a straight not-shifted I recording would be somewhere in the middle. That's what I'd expect as well. Right now I have a choice to make when the situation arises: record to the R3 and use an older ATRAC algorithm (Sony 3.0), or record in stereo and not save the disc space. Lopping off one sample gives unpredictable results. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Art Of War - With Wesley Snipes - MD appearance
It's a really good movie with a good suspense and a good intrigue... A bit easy to predict for me but not for my wife... A bit dark movie, big action movie. Wesley Snipe is an secret agent for the united nations. Donald Sutherland have a small role too... However, there is some nudity scenes; not so much but enough to don't bring young children I assume... There is really good stunts. Not the best movie of this summer (I had prefer a lot Gladiator...). A good movie anyway... Peter. - Pierre Forest http://www.kheopsminidisc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of las Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 9:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MD: Art Of War - With Wesley Snipes - MD appearance === = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === Yes Peter, however I want to know how was the movie itself? Should I get the dvd?? Larry Peter Forest wrote: I just saw Act of War with Wesley Snipes this afternoon... There was 2-3 times some MD appearance of Sony Minidisc. Especially a nice MD recorder/player (not a clam shell, a eject MD style) and a sort of nice MD deck High Tech... It's alway cool when I saw MD in a movie... Good Week End everyone ! Peter --- Pierre Forest - http://www.kheopsminidisc.com - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Best CD-ROM Drive for digital audio extraction
I know this is a odd question but I know someone has to have the answer. We have two options to get pure digital out of our CD-ROM drives. Digital Audio Extraction via the IDE or SCSI interfaces or the Digital Out if supported on the drive and if you have a audio card that supports this like I do. Anyway most of the software products seem to want to extract via the IDE/SCSI interface. This turns out to be mostly compatible with midrange CD-ROM drives but still produces pops and clicks occasionally. The Digital Audio out port is more complicated because even if it is labeled on your drive it is usually not implemented. Also many software packages don't work with the CD-ROM drive when you select the sound card method of extraction and storage. This in theory would produce the best digital output from the CD-ROM. My goal is to use the optical connector of my sound card to connect to the MiniDisk recorder and some type of digital playback software to control the CD-ROM and audio output. Thanks Ron Vargo - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Digital recordings and track marks...
T But there is no code or signal in S/PDIF that means "new track starts now." Timothy Stockman responded, I don't know how the CD subcode information is translated for S/PDIF transmission, but the subcode "P" channel on the disc is just that, a "new track starts now" signal. It is the CD's version of the "wide spiral groove" between tracks on an LP. I've don'e know if the "P" channel makes . it into the S/PDIF data stream, but if it does, then the track start signal is available. There have been discussions before about the subcode channels (though I don't remember anyone's saying until you did now, Tim, that the very signal needed is in the P-channel), and it seems that the only subcode that makes it into S/PDIF is from the Q-channel. Recorders depend on changes in Q-channel data that would imply a new track's starting. It's unfortunate, because if S/PDIF carried that signal from the P-channel, track marking in digital transfers would be rock-solid. I'm runing my CD pla.yer in to my PC via a RME digi96 I/O board. RME Supply a nice piece of software called digicheck, using this to look at the "channel status" the "vality bit / CD-Subcode" data clearly shows the Track number, index no. time (to the nearest second) so the SPDIF signal must be carring track/time info. --matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Digital recordings and track marks...
Stories wrote, | data clearly shows the Track number, index no. time (to the nearest | second) so the SPDIF signal must be carring track/time info. We knew that the track number was in there, because a recorder will mark a new track when nothing else except the track number changes. But if the there are no changes in the track number (as when a soundcard is outputting a series of .wav or .mp3 files) the recorder will usually not mark a new track. Manuals for some of the MD recorders I've had have stated that if one plays tracks with the same number from different MDs or CDs, the recorder may fail to mark a new track between them; the source track number is the chief indi- cator, given that the track start bit in P-channel is not sent, of when an MD recorder should start a new track during a digital transfer. I have noticed this: if you are recording from CD to MD and you keep a single CD track repeating, the MD recorder marks tracks with no trouble. If you are recording from MD to MD and the source unit keeps repeating one MD track, the recorder does not mark tracks. This could be because of different behavior depending on the source device code; or it could be because CDs usually go out-of-track between tracks while MDs do not (and cannot); or it could be because of something in the S/PDIF signal while the CD player is reposi- tioning to the start of the track, an interstice not experienced in the signal from an MD because the source MD unit uses its read-ahead buffer to go smoothly from the end of the track back to the beginning. (Guess I should try it with some CDs that don't go out-of-track now that I can.) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: forward from CasetteHouse... cheap.
- Original Message - From: "las" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 2:36 PM Subject: Re: MD: forward from CasetteHouse... cheap. Peter, for a brief period of time, the largest seller of MD gear (they could get just about everything) was the infamous Mini Disc Now! For orders in the US, their prices always included shipping and handling. As a reseller myself I can tell you this is very hard to do with an online shopping cart. If for instance I tried putting an accurate shipping charge on each item you would be way overcharged if you ordered several items. I try to get it as close as possible so I use a standard handling fee that applies to any order reguardless of size and even this way it will come out a bit high (and less often not enough) if several items are ordered. I can manually overide this, and do so all the time but if I switch to a total online system, which I am considering, I do not know how or if I can do this. I hope it is easier and better than I think because I do believe it is wrong to inflate shipping to make up for a low price. But to each their own, this obviously works well for some companies. If it said $25 for a ten pack of brand X, that was what you paid. No hidden charges. The shipping charges were included in the price. I know several companies are guilty as charged but I have been accussed of this too because the item might say 1.50 shipping for example and people miss the BIG print at the start explaining the handling fee. GEESE, anyone know how to get priority mail for 1.50??? While they existed, with the exception of terrible delivery times, they had excellent prices and support. You could email them with the dumbest question and they always responded to you rapidly. Well, I try . But I remember my first order from them. The owner himself used to be the whole company. He was not a super expert about MD but really loved the media and felt that he was actually not just doing something to make money, but doing something meaningful and good deeds in getting all of this stuff for people. I am still a one man operation and try to give personalized service. I also offer to meet or beat any published price if at all possible ( I have had to sell at cost once or twice for a long time customer, but I can not afford to sell at a loss). We do have to make money for cryin out loud but I try not to get rich from each customer.. The point that I'm trying to make here is to try and always do right by your customers. If you do not personally have a passion for MD, don't run an MD business (I believe you do that that passion and wish you a lot of luck with your business). I have a passion for all audio and it just happens that MD is my favorite thing right now. As a mobile DJ it saves my back a lot of pain and I have always loved recording music since I was a kid. I think MD is the best thing that ever came along for mobile DJ use and I continually strive to sell other DJs on this format.. Most importantly, don't sell "half" a product. If you sell a Japanese domestic unit to someone in the US, it needs the transformer, no matter what anybody tries to tell you. Include it in the price. Larry And, while I am thinking of it, I do give an extra md for orders over 25.00 paid via paypal as I know my friend Peter (hello Pierre) at Kheops does this as well. Look for TDK MDs SOON! I have a new supplier in the works and hope to discount these in the near future. For any fellow DJs out there I am also a new ULTIMATE stand dealer and FX Lighting dealer so www.musicmixers.com/mall will soon see several NEW additions. Email me if you need anything before seeing it at the store, I can order anything at anytime and have it drop shipped QUICK. Lasers anyone? Les Music Mixers - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: CD quality compared to MD quality
las [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If your speaking about me, Larry Sherry, [and] I would disagree, Larry, Wow!! again, this isn't my statement!!! I think that you may have take a thread from a previous e mail and confused it with me!!! My apologies to Larry and Les for mixing up their posts. I saw "las" and "les" and got confused g that IS Larry!! Well, at least I got one attribution right ;-) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: CD quality compared to MD quality
On 8/26/00 7:05 PM, Les wrote: Actually I wrote most of what you attribute to Larry, LOL I just realized that from reading Larry's comments in the last digest ;-) You are correct about most and our disagreements are so little I'm giving up on principle! I think we had a very good discussion. Thanks to everyone for being civil -- not that you wouldn't be, but we've all seen some of the other "discussions!" - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: CD quality compared to MD quality
How RIGHT you are on this one DAN! It was FUN, and my partner and I get into some real good ones sometimes too, LOL BTW , we both agree yellow MDs are better than blue too, right?? But I think the clear ones give the clearest sound, LOL.. Les - Original Message - From: "Dan Frakes" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Les" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "MDList" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 9:13 PM Subject: Re: MD: CD quality compared to MD quality On 8/26/00 7:05 PM, Les wrote: Actually I wrote most of what you attribute to Larry, LOL I just realized that from reading Larry's comments in the last digest ;-) You are correct about most and our disagreements are so little I'm giving up on principle! I think we had a very good discussion. Thanks to everyone for being civil -- not that you wouldn't be, but we've all seen some of the other "discussions!" - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: high speed dubbing
From: "Yaniv S. Eyny" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does the high speed dubbing reduce fidelity when recording? If you mean when using the 4x or whatever CD - MD copy on combined units, the answer is most definitely no. Everything remains digital just the bits get processed faster, unlike analog tape high-speed dubbing, you either get a "1" or a "0" at the end of the day-- the copy will either be perfect, or pathetic, and if it ain't perfect theres a fault somewhere. By "perfect" I mean within the error-correction ability of MD format. PrinceGaz. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: CD quality compared to MD quality
On 8/26/00 9:20 PM, Les wrote: How RIGHT you are on this one DAN! It was FUN, and my partner and I get into some real good ones sometimes too, LOL BTW , we both agree yellow MDs are better than blue too, right?? But I think the clear ones give the clearest sound, LOL.. Yeah, I don't like the blue ones very much -- they just add too much, er, color to my music g - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
