RE: MD: Fw: Vaio
In my previous post when I mentioned that Apple has never sold a sub-$1000 G3, I was refering to tower-style G3s, not iMacs. Apple, and just about everyone else refers to iMacs as iMacs, not G3 despite the fact that most have G3 chips in them. The name of the iMac is iMac, look at the size of the box. The name of the G3 tower is G3 (also refer to box). Chad Gombosi Member SCP www.scponline.net Chad's Game Music Page www.chadsgamemusic.com MP3.com page: www.mp3.com/signofzeta Let me explain a couple of things. Time is short. That's the first thing. For the weasel, Time is a weasel. For the hero, Time is heroic. For the whore, Time is just another trick. If you're gentle, your Time is gentle. If you're in a hurry, Time flies. Time is a servant, if you are its master. Time is your god, if you are its dog. We are the creators of Time, the victims of Time, and the killers of Time. Time is timeless. That's the second thing. You are the clock, Cassiel. Emit - Far Away So Close Right now apple is selling the lowest end iMac for 900 USD. (www.apple.com) Their low end iMac comes with a g3 CPU running at 400 mHz and is Indigo colored. Well the wierd thing here is that you must have been buying these G3s when they were rather old because there has never been a G3 with a list price of less than $1000 US from Apple, this price would have had to have been from a retailer with a good mark down sale. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Fw: Vaio
Right now apple is selling the lowest end iMac for 900 USD. (www.apple.com) Their low end iMac comes with a g3 CPU running at 400 mHz and is Indigo colored. And also comes with 2 USB ports and 2 FireWire ports. Which, IMO, makes it a good cheap DV Editing computer. Most low-end PCs do not come with a FireWire card. Heck, most computers in general don't come with one. (Excluding Sony and their i.Link) Aileen Well the wierd thing here is that you must have been buying these G3s when they were rather old because there has never been a G3 with a list price of less than $1000 US from Apple, this price would have had to have been from a retailer with a good mark down sale. - 800 MHz PIII, 64 MB RAM, 10 GB HD, 15 in. monitor: 1,200 USD. 400 MHz Ruby G3, 64 MB RAM, 10 GB HD, built in monitor: 900 USD. Those were the list prices our distributors (HP and Apple) gave us (remember, in Mexico). I know, I know. There are cheaper PCs. But we cannot switch brands or use clones, at least until next year (sigh). --- - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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800 MHz PIII, 64 MB RAM, 10 GB HD, 15 in. monitor: 1,200 USD. 400 MHz Ruby G3, 64 MB RAM, 10 GB HD, built in monitor: 900 USD. Those were the list prices our distributors (HP and Apple) gave us (remember, in Mexico). I know, I know. There are cheaper PCs. But we cannot switch brands or use clones, at least until next year (sigh). Well the wierd thing here is that you must have been buying these G3s when they were rather old because there has never been a G3 with a list price of less than $1000 US from Apple, this price would have had to have been from a retailer with a good mark down sale. Remember, Apple wanted our business... they might have been artificially lowering the price of their equipment in order to get us hooked. Happens all the time. Francisco. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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on 5/8/01 12:25 PM, Francisco J. Huerta at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, but that is just incorrect. If you mean incompatible with a few PC-only applications, yes. With a few PC apps? Sorry, but I could only find Macromedia and some Office stuff. Our database won't run on Apple (Progress). Our ASP won't run on a Mac (Citrix). Nor the clients for those apps. Sun and Windows NT will. This is enterprise stuff, not the apps you would run on your home-home office. For the record, those aren't the only choices for similar technologies. The goal of using computers is TO GET WORK DONE, and usually for tasks that are common across most offices. In your case, the people who implemented the system chose software that's (mostly) Windows only. There is no way that Macs will fit into that environment without changing the software used for everyone. But the same would also hold true in a Mac only environment where the software a company is using runs only on Macs. I'm a consultant who does custom database development in 4th Dimension. (4D is a powerful cross-platform, client-server database system. For more info, see http://www.4d.com/.) TANGENT 4D's biggest advantage is that it's not SQL. 4Ds biggest disadvantage is that it's not SQL. :-) In other words, because it's not SQL, it can do things that SQL can't and the overall costs are almost always much lower. But if being a SQL system is more important than other considerations, then 4D won't be chosen. That's life. The same type of comparison can be made between Macs and Windows. /TANGENT Back to the point I was starting to make. Changing internal systems just to accommodate a different computing platform is the *wrong* reason to go through such a painful and expensive change. Correct reasons include reducing costs, increasing reliability, doing things that can't be done with the old system, the need to support changing standards, etc. It doesn't sound like these things held true in your case. In that case, the experiment to integrate Macs into your environment was doomed from the beginning. But back to MiniDiscs and Sony in general. Overall, I haven't had any particular problems with Sony equipment. I absolutely HATED the End Search button with a passion. But my R50 and now my R900 are working just fine. On the other hand, I don't usually buy Sony products because other manufacturers often (but not always) offer more bang for the buck. Ed What the Heckman [EMAIL PROTECTED] +--+ | Wisdom too often never comes, and so one ought not to reject it | | merely because it comes late.| | -- Felix Frankfurter | +--+ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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on 5/8/01 11:41 PM, Chad Gombosi at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well the wierd thing here is that you must have been buying these G3s when they were rather old because there has never been a G3 with a list price of less than $1000 US from Apple, this price would have had to have been from a retailer with a good mark down sale. With this is mind, I'm left wondering how old the Mac was at the time, compared to the PC. He's describing the current low end iMac. And that price is the current price from Apple's online store. (No markdown.) Basicly right now a top of the line G4 will run you about $3000 (no monitor). It's hard to spend that much on a PC if you tried, without getting RAID arrays and high-end server cases with multiple power supplies, quad proccessors etc. For the last couple of years, Macs have been competitively priced in comparison to first and second tier Wintel machines. But there's no way they can beat the price of el-cheapo vendors and hand-built machines. (In the case of a hand-built machine, there's no labor involved in the price paid. So how much is your time worth?) I just bought a new PowerBook G4 with a 500 MHz processor and as little RAM and the smallest hard drive Apple ships in it. Then I added third party RAM and a different hard drive. The end result is that I spent a couple hundred less than Apple's loaded configuration and I wound up with a twice and much RAM and a bigger, faster hard drive to boot. In short, it IS possible to overspend on a Mac. But it's also possible to configure a Mac at highly competitive prices. Ed What the Heckman [EMAIL PROTECTED] +--+ | Winning has a joy and discrete purity to it that cannot be | | replaced by anything else. | | -- A. Bartlett Giamatti | +--+ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Fw: Vaio
Francisco J. Huerta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The entire evaluation you conducted was flawed, since you evaluated PowerBooks using PC users. Then you missed the whole point of the evaluation.. I wanted to have a hybrid network at my office. I wanted to give Macs to people at the web design department; these people have used PCs all their lives. I really, truly wanted to give Macs a chance; I figured, if Macs are as good as people say they are, everyone will want to switch. Exactly my point... you evaluated Macs using people who have used PCs all their lives. It's a well-established fact, in any industry, that people dislike doing things differently than they are accustomed to. So I'm not surprised in the least that your users didn't like Macs. A valid evaluation would be to give people who have never used a computer both platforms. Seriously, the techie guy at Apple that was assigned to us accepted that Macs had fallen way behind in their GUI, and that just lately they begun catching up with Windows. Don't blame me, they were the ones who accepted it. LOL... fallen way behind in their GUI? Most Mac users, and most objective Windows users even, would dispute that assertion. Windows is WAY better than it used to be, but even now it is finally getting UI features that other OS's (Mac, Be) have had for years. It's comparable to the Mac for new users. But far ahead? True. That's one of the reasons we didn't buy the Macs after all; people wanted to work, not to learn a new system. Which makes sense. The other major reason was that we have been let down way too many times by Apple in the past. We still have 28 Macs lying around that Apple couldn't and wouldn't fix (Apple Mexico, that is). Just the facts. You're not the first. Apple has a history of poor relations with large accounts. With a few PC apps? Sorry, but I could only find Macromedia and some Office stuff. Our database won't run on Apple (Progress). Our ASP won't run on a Mac (Citrix). Nor the clients for those apps. Sun and Windows NT will. This is enterprise stuff, not the apps you would run on your home-home office. And for you, that makes complete sense. But for the average person, the average business, your assertion, which you made generally, that Macs are incompatible is simply not valid. In your case, you're using very specific software that most businesses will never use. Chad Gombosi wrote: Well the wierd thing here is that you must have been buying these G3s when they were rather old because there has never been a G3 with a list price of less than $1000 US from Apple, this price would have had to have been from a retailer with a good mark down sale. There have actually been three models of iMac that have/had a MSRP of under $1,000. Most vendors sold them for less, or included free RAM or printers. Basicly right now a top of the line G4 will run you about $3000 (no monitor). It's hard to spend that much on a PC if you tried, without getting RAID arrays and high-end server cases with multiple power supplies, quad proccessors etc. But you're talking top of the line... who actually buys top of the line? An iMac is $899, and a really nice G4 runs from $1699 to $3499... and that $3499 model is a full multimedia authoring machine with capabilities that no production PC on the planet can do. It's actually very easy to spend $3,000 on a brand-name PC if you include the same features. The fact is that nowadays, there is very little hardware cost difference between Macs and similarly equipped brand-name PCs (Dell, Compaq, Gateway, HP, etc.), especially if you avoid the Apple Store. As someone else mentioned, you can always go cheaper by buying no-name PCs or custom-built machines. But that's a fringe market. People who do that will never buy a Mac, or even a Dell or Gateway. OK, I think we've officially gone way off-topic now ;) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I just bought a new PowerBook G4 with a 500 MHz processor and as little RAM and the smallest hard drive Apple ships in it. Then I added third party RAM and a different hard drive. The end result is that I spent a couple hundred less than Apple's loaded configuration and I wound up with a twice and much RAM and a bigger, faster hard drive to boot. In short, it IS possible to overspend on a Mac. But it's also possible to configure a Mac at highly competitive prices. If you did it that route, to make it a better purchase... you can also buy an Oxford911 bridge based Firewire enclosure put the old drive in. So you'll have a nice external storage and still saved some extra bucks on top of what apple is chargin... and the added bonus of an external HD. tk - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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on 5/9/01 7:50 PM, Tk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you did it that route, to make it a better purchase... you can also buy an Oxford911 bridge based Firewire enclosure put the old drive in. So you'll have a nice external storage and still saved some extra bucks on top of what apple is chargin... and the added bonus of an external HD. After I recover from the overall shock of spending that much money at once. ;-) Ed What the Heckman [EMAIL PROTECTED] +--+ | Government is not the generator of economic growth; working | | people are. | |-- Senator Phil Gramm | +--+ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Francisco J. Huerta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is not an argument to start a fight. Then maybe you should have not posted this? ;) Sorry, but I work with both systems, and I get tired of PC-centric people doing flawed comparisons. The entire evaluation you conducted was flawed, since you evaluated PowerBooks using PC users. Of course they are going to dislike the interface and have the problems you menioned, just as a company full of Mac users is going to dislike the Windows interface and have technical problems with Windows if you use them to evaluate Wintel laptops. The simple truth is that people are comfortable with what they learned, and a change will almost always be met with resistance, especially in the beginning. BTW, the death blow being end users complaining because they couldn't open exe files received through email? ROFL... about the only executable files people receive through email are virii and joke programs. Hmmm... Database problems, and PC-specific software -- now there is a reason that I can understand -- that is a logical reason to go with a Wintel PC. But the other reasons... A Mac is a good, albeit uncompatible, out of standard (and in many cases out of touch) computer. Sorry, but that is just incorrect. If you mean incompatible with a few PC-only applications, yes. But the Mac is just as standards-compliant as any Windows PC, cross-platform compatible, and hardly out of touch. LOL And in terms of software availability, apart from a few high-end databases and CAD applications, pretty much anything you can do on Windows you can do on a Macintosh (although WebObjects is better than any PC-only solution). And in some industries (graphic design, education, multimedia) a good argument can be made for the opposite conclusion -- that the PC is You want to use PCs, or Macs, that's great. But let's drop these flawed well, I did an evaluation arguments -- let people go try a computer on their own, armed with facts. These my computer is better than your computer for these reasons mailing list debates are so... 1980s ;) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Then maybe you should have not posted this? ;) Sorry, but I work with both systems, and I get tired of PC-centric people doing flawed comparisons. The entire evaluation you conducted was flawed, since you evaluated PowerBooks using PC users. Then you missed the whole point of the evaluation.. I wanted to have a hybrid network at my office. I wanted to give Macs to people at the web design department; these people have used PCs all their lives. I really, truly wanted to give Macs a chance; I figured, if Macs are as good as people say they are, everyone will want to switch. Not to mention, Macs were cheaper than the PCs. They were until we factored in the cost of the software necessary to coexist with the PCs at work. Of course they are going to dislike the interface and have the problems you menioned, just as a company full of Mac users is going to dislike the Windows interface and have technical problems with Windows if you use them to evaluate Wintel laptops. Maybe they'd like Windows better =) No, really! I attended a System X seminar with a bunch of Windoze geeks, and the presentation guy almost walked away, because he always said now, System X can do THIS! and we always countered Just like Windows!. Seriously, the techie guy at Apple that was assigned to us accepted that Macs had fallen way behind in their GUI, and that just lately they begun catching up with Windows. Don't blame me, they were the ones who accepted it. The simple truth is that people are comfortable with what they learned, and a change will almost always be met with resistance, especially in the beginning. True. That's one of the reasons we didn't buy the Macs after all; people wanted to work, not to learn a new system. The other major reason was that we have been let down way too many times by Apple in the past. We still have 28 Macs lying around that Apple couldn't and wouldn't fix (Apple Mexico, that is). Just the facts. BTW, the death blow being end users complaining because they couldn't open exe files received through email? ROFL... about the only executable files people receive through email are virii and joke programs. Hmmm... Ahem... ever heard of C++ files? We use those all the times as macros. True, people could always learn whatever scripting language Apple offers, or re-compile their apps in System X. Not worth it. Sorry, but that is just incorrect. If you mean incompatible with a few PC-only applications, yes. With a few PC apps? Sorry, but I could only find Macromedia and some Office stuff. Our database won't run on Apple (Progress). Our ASP won't run on a Mac (Citrix). Nor the clients for those apps. Sun and Windows NT will. This is enterprise stuff, not the apps you would run on your home-home office. You want to use PCs, or Macs, that's great. But let's drop these flawed well, I did an evaluation arguments -- Because if we continue with them, people will notice the computer is not the goal... it's the tool to get there. Had I started a network from scratch, probably Apple would have prevailed (I'd still need some Sun servers, but then again, who doesn't? =) Sadly, someone mentioned wanting to replace a PC laptop with a PowerBook... i just explained how I tried to do the same, and the reasons why I failed. Nothing else, nothing more. Take care! Francisco. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Dan Frakes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MDList [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MD: Fw: Vaio Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 08:44:10 -0700 Francisco J. Huerta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is not an argument to start a fight. Then maybe you should have not posted this? ;) Sorry, but I work with both systems, and I get tired of PC-centric people doing flawed comparisons. I too work with both systems (I was the one who started this Vaios are crap thread btw). I have a Win 98 PC at home, and work with top of the line Macs at work every day. The real reason I started this crap though wasn't to compare the OS, but rather the *hardware* itself. I was mearly stating that Vaios, and Sony things in general are much more remarkable in terms of design, and inovation that reliability. For example, late yesterday at work we got our newest Mac. A 766 mhz G4 with 1 GB of RAM, and a DVD-R. Yes, it rocks in a box as you might have guessed. The suck thing is that we bought a nice new Sony 21 monitor to go with it and guess what? It's defective. Every once in a while you get a shakiness that looks like a monitor just after it de-gauses. If you hit the POS, the problem goes away. This reminds me of back when I worked selling computers, and we had this one guy return 3 Trinitrons before he got one that worked to his satisfaction. Some may say he was picky, but I would be too if I was dropping $1000 on a monitor and I got it home and it was blury, or it was impossible to get a square image. A Trinitron in working order is one of the best monitors around, but they also have a hidious falure rate. My friend bought a Dell a while back (also much better made than Sony most of the time, regardless of OS) and the thinly disguised Sony monitor it came with died after about 9 months. No picture at all. Chad Gombosi Member SCP www.scponline.net Chad's Game Music Page www.chadsgamemusic.com MP3.com page: www.mp3.com/signofzeta Let me explain a couple of things. Time is short. That's the first thing. For the weasel, Time is a weasel. For the hero, Time is heroic. For the whore, Time is just another trick. If you're gentle, your Time is gentle. If you're in a hurry, Time flies. Time is a servant, if you are its master. Time is your god, if you are its dog. We are the creators of Time, the victims of Time, and the killers of Time. Time is timeless. That's the second thing. You are the clock, Cassiel. Emit - Far Away So Close _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Not to mention, Macs were cheaper than the PCs. They were until we factored in the cost of the software necessary to coexist with the PCs at work. What? Macs cheaper than PCs? What *are* you talking about? Macs have never been cheaper than PCs, and they sure aren't now. I wish they were or a wouldn't be using a home built AMD machine at home. Chad Gombosi Member SCP www.scponline.net Chad's Game Music Page www.chadsgamemusic.com MP3.com page: www.mp3.com/signofzeta Let me explain a couple of things. Time is short. That's the first thing. For the weasel, Time is a weasel. For the hero, Time is heroic. For the whore, Time is just another trick. If you're gentle, your Time is gentle. If you're in a hurry, Time flies. Time is a servant, if you are its master. Time is your god, if you are its dog. We are the creators of Time, the victims of Time, and the killers of Time. Time is timeless. That's the second thing. You are the clock, Cassiel. Emit - Far Away So Close _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Not to mention, Macs were cheaper than the PCs. They were until we factored in the cost of the software necessary to coexist with the PCs at work. What? Macs cheaper than PCs? What *are* you talking about? Macs have never been cheaper than PCs, and they sure aren't now. I wish they were or a wouldn't be using a home built AMD machine at home. 800 MHz PIII, 64 MB RAM, 10 GB HD, 15 in. monitor: 1,200 USD. 400 MHz Ruby G3, 64 MB RAM, 10 GB HD, built in monitor: 900 USD. Those were the list prices our distributors (HP and Apple) gave us (remember, in Mexico). I know, I know. There are cheaper PCs. But we cannot switch brands or use clones, at least until next year (sigh). Francisco. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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For a better product all around, go here: http://www.apple.com/powerbook/ There uses to be a direct comparison to a Vaio here, but I don't know if it's still there. This is not an argument to start a fight. Nevertheless, I'd like to tell you about my personal experience with a Mac. I (and a bunch of other computer geeks and normal users) evaluated them on behalf of my company (30,000 users total) against PC laptops (I won't tell what brand, but it wouldn't matter anyway). The result was surprising to everyone. Nobody (not even the end users) liked either the PowerBook, the iMac, or the G4s. At first it was love at first sight. Then everyone noticed how they could do everything a PC did. Then everyone had problems with memory management. Then we noticed that, in order to make a Mac interact in a PC world, we had to buy hundreds of in extra software. And that users hated the interface. They did like the fancy colors, though. The death blow came when we received lots of complaints from users that couldn't open the *.exe files they used to receive via e-mail, and they hated it when we told them to fire up the Windows 98 emulator to run the software. And also, to run all their database programs. A Mac is a good, albeit uncompatible, out of standard (and in many cases out of touch) computer. I would never, ever buy one for myself. And I gave it the benefit of the doubt (I went into the test completely unbiased; in fact, I wanted to have one at my desk because I needed some graphics design done on it... and because of the fancy colors). - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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My sincerest apologies - I hate Outhouse Express. Hi! I've been thinking about getting hold of a notebook, and as a lot of you will no doubt have experience with Sony products I wondered if anyone here had any opinions on Vaios (especially the high-end FX10*s). To tie it to MD somewhat, it appears that there's a control panel or similar in Sony's provided software to do MD recording... anyone know anything about that? Regards, Rich - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi! I've been thinking about getting hold of a notebook, and as a lot of you will no doubt have experience with Sony products I wondered if anyone here had any opinions on Vaios (especially the high-end FX10*s). My experince with Vios (never been stupid enough to buy one myself, but I have sold them, and I have friends who have bought them) proves only that they are fragile crap. I'm a big fan of Sony's design, and inovation, (I *love* my MZR90, and my old D66) but the reliability of many of their products is just terrible. The Vaios are probably more famous for this than any other product they have ever made, even my DEJ815 diskman which I have replaced 3 times, or the original Sony Playstations in which the drives just died like flies at random. If you called Sony about the problem they would tell you to flip the unit upside down to fix the skipping. How lame is that? One of the original model Vaios (two or three years ago) had to be totally recalled because the falier rate was so high. They will obviously sacrifice *anything* as long as the unit is thin as paper and looks cool. In the end though you may have only a cool looking piece of paper. There was a letter in an issue of T3 last year about a guy (who was, and still is a big Sony fan) who had problems with Sony customer serice that would reduce most people to violence. They actually *lost* his machine while reparing it and refused to replace it (!), how he can still be a Sony fan is beyond me. I'm sure there will be many people here who will say how they have had tons of Sony products with no problems but in advance I will say that I doubt either the amount of experience they have actually had with Sony stuff, or thier definition of problem. For a better product all around, go here: http://www.apple.com/powerbook/ There uses to be a direct comparison to a Vaio here, but I don't know if it's still there. Most people are either too busy sucking Bill Gates, or to chicken to buy a Mac anymore, but virtually no one that does buy one regrets it. To tie it to MD somewhat, it appears that there's a control panel or similar in Sony's provided software to do MD recording... anyone know anything about that? That would be cool, but unless there are some really nice Text Transfer options I don't see how it could be that great. A digital out is a digital out, and any software it has can be substituted. It's not worth $3000 just to edit MDs, at least not to me, and if it was I'd buy something else to do it with. I see buying Sony stuff as a crap shoot really, which is fine with a $200 MD recorder, but I'm just not rich, or stupid enough to gamble the price of a high end laptop on Sony's terrible odds, especialy since it seems that often it's their more expensive stuff, not the cheap stuff, that is more fragile. Chad Gombosi Member SCP www.scponline.net Chad's Game Music Page www.chadsgamemusic.com MP3.com page: www.mp3.com/signofzeta Let me explain a couple of things. Time is short. That's the first thing. For the weasel, Time is a weasel. For the hero, Time is heroic. For the whore, Time is just another trick. If you're gentle, your Time is gentle. If you're in a hurry, Time flies. Time is a servant, if you are its master. Time is your god, if you are its dog. We are the creators of Time, the victims of Time, and the killers of Time. Time is timeless. That's the second thing. You are the clock, Cassiel. Emit - Far Away So Close _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thanks for the reply! My experince with Vios (never been stupid enough to buy one myself, but I have sold them, and I have friends who have bought them) proves only that they are fragile crap. How fragile is 'fragile'? Do you mean breaks sitting on a desk or carrying in a laptop bag, or breaks slung over your shoulder or in luggage? I'm sure there will be many people here who will say how they have had tons of Sony products with no problems but in advance I will say that I doubt either the amount of experience they have actually had with Sony stuff, or thier definition of problem. I do have to say that all of my Sony TVs, my original Walkman, Discman, and my new R900, Sony stereos and my brother's Clie and Discmans have all behaved impeccably. But then, laptops are a different story. For a better product all around, go here: http://www.apple.com/powerbook/ There uses to be a direct comparison to a Vaio here, but I don't know if it's still there. I would love a Powerbook, but I do too much work that's tied to Windows (C++ and Delphi programming, and game development for the platform) to change. Ah, if only... (*dreams of a G4 cube and a titanium Powerbook*). Thanks for your response... anyone else? -Rich - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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How fragile is 'fragile'? Do you mean breaks sitting on a desk or carrying in a laptop bag, or breaks slung over your shoulder or in luggage? Well I think of all laptops as fragile in the regular sense, I mean they have huge LCDs, DVD ROM, and hard drives, etc, what I mean is that they are particulary fragile. They will just breakdown just sitting there, or from very light bumbs. No carbon fiber chasis like the G4. :) Chad Gombosi Member SCP www.scponline.net Chad's Game Music Page www.chadsgamemusic.com MP3.com page: www.mp3.com/signofzeta Let me explain a couple of things. Time is short. That's the first thing. For the weasel, Time is a weasel. For the hero, Time is heroic. For the whore, Time is just another trick. If you're gentle, your Time is gentle. If you're in a hurry, Time flies. Time is a servant, if you are its master. Time is your god, if you are its dog. We are the creators of Time, the victims of Time, and the killers of Time. Time is timeless. That's the second thing. You are the clock, Cassiel. Emit - Far Away So Close _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
