RE: MD: Name Full!!!/The Mad Titler
Rodney typed, I run out of space frequently. In fact at times I have been referred to as "The Mad Titler" on this list. Here is an example of one particular title (and keep in mind I try to title all my tracks like this if there are enough characters:) STEAL MY SUNSHINE (Album Edit) / LEN November 1999 Billboard Hot 100 Airplay No. 5 November 1999 Billboard No. 9 track from the LP's "You Can't Stop The Bum Rush" and the "Go" soundtrack BPM:118 (There is also an LP Version of the same song) Now, try doing *that* on an MZR-37 with the teensy remote and see if you don't get RSI :) I'm impressed - a title like that could well take more time than the length of the song to scroll past on some portables..! Starting in the first week of December 1998 because of the growing trend of record labels releasing hit songs to radio without accompying retail singles, those songs were eligible to chart on the Billboard Hot 100 without a retail single being available. This is why, in the example above, "Steal My Sunshine" has a higher airplay chart number (the airplay chart is still published) than a Hot 100 chart number, because all the song's points are from radio airplay and none from retail singles sales, since there is no U.S. retail single. This is, to me, the height of absurdity, and good evidence that the "Hot 100" is worthless as an indicator of what's actually making its way into people's homes in the US. There's a separate airplay chart for a reason. What next - albums only released to radio, not to consumers? Other songs like Lou Bega's "Mambo No. 5 (A Little Bit Of...)", although technically are retail singles, in all practicality, are not because the Lou Bega song is available in the U.S. only as a 12 inch VINYL single, a pretty miniscule sales market compared to commercially available CD singles. There must be a good import market there for UK and Australian-originated CD singles. - Anthony - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Name Full!!!/The Mad Titler
Ignore this post. I wrote it weeks ago and it never showed up. I rewrote the same thing later basically and that did show up and to tell you the truth it is more or less a waste of time, just something I did because I wanted to write a long post on the subject. Actually, since my JA20ES is still in for repairs or replacement I haven't done any titling updating for a while nor do I paricuarly miss it. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Name Full!!!/The Mad Titler
I run out of space frequently. In fact at times I have been referred to
as "The Mad Titler" on this list. Here is an example of one particular
title (and keep in mind I try to title all my tracks like this if there
are enough characters:)
STEAL MY SUNSHINE (Album Edit) / LEN November 1999 Billboard Hot 100
Airplay No. 5 November 1999 Billboard No. 9 track from the LP's "You
Can't Stop The Bum Rush" and the "Go" soundtrack BPM:118
(There is also an LP Version of the same song)
or another example:
GENIE IN A BOTTLE (Eddy Arroyo Radio Club Mix) / CHRISTINA AGUILERA
August 1999 Billboard No. 1 (5 weeks) LP:"Christina Aguilera" BPM:125
September 1999 Billboard Hot 100 Airplay No. 1 (4 weeks)
It gets really involved when you have a song like "I'll Be There For
You" by the Rembrandts when the song was No. 1 on the Billboard Airplay
charts for about 13 weeks (or something like that) before being released
as a U.S. single, where it peaked at a comparatively lowly No. 19. Not
only do I note all the chart information and the BPM but also in this
case there is an album as well plus the folllowing must also be notated
in brackets after the title: (Theme from the NBC television series
"Friends"). Another example of this is Celine Dion's "My Heart Will Go
On" ("Love Theme From "Titanic") which spent many more weeks at No. 1 on
the Billboard Hot 100 Airplay charts than the actual Billboard Hot 100
chart, because it was released as a commercial single late in its peak
popularity period, but still managed to hold the No. 1 spot on the Hot
100 for 2 weeks (13 weeks or something like that on the Billboard Hot
100 Airplay chart) despite its being released as a limited edition
single with only 650,000 copies available at retail. Plus you have to
consider these factors as well if you wish to title all the information
properly: the song is found on two albums: the "Titanic" soundtrack, of
course, and "Let's Talk About Love". There are also a number of dance
versions of the song, which were not commercially available in the U.S.
as well as custom versions which interspersed dialogue from "Titanic"
throughout the song. Most of these dialogue versions were edited by
ambitious Top 40 Radio Station music programmers in various markets and
each had its own name as well, such as the "Titanic Z104 Mix" and
"Nick's KIIS Mix". There were several others as well.
Starting in the first week of December 1998 because of the growing trend
of record labels releasing hit songs to radio without accompying retail
singles, those songs were eligible to chart on the Billboard Hot 100
without a retail single being available. This is why, in the example
above, "Steal My Sunshine" has a higher airplay chart number (the
airplay chart is still published) than a Hot 100 chart number, because
all the song's points are from radio airplay and none from retail
singles sales, since there is no U.S. retail single. Other songs like
Lou Bega's "Mambo No. 5 (A Little Bit Of...)", although technically are
retail singles, in all practicality, are not because the Lou Bega song
is available in the U.S. only as a 12 inch VINYL single, a pretty
miniscule sales market compared to commercially available CD singles.
Thus, while it charted at No. 1 on the Billboard Hot 100 Airplay chart
for 6 weeks, the best "Mambo No. 5 (A Little Bit Of...)" could do on the
Billboard Hot 100 chart was No. 3
I always update the latest chart numbers each week on my MD recorder,
thereby doing a LOT of TOC updates, which has caused my MDS-JA20ES to be
replaced under warranty three times in a little under a year, no problem
since the deck has a five year warranty and is supposed to be able to
handle rigorous recording and editing sessions like this. My MZR55 is
also back in service for a different reason (spinning discs without
playing them at times.) This will be the fifth or sixth MZR55 replaced
by Sony in a little less than a year. Obviuosly, the Sony Service people
know me well and I get good service from them. I also buy a LOT of Sony
products.
I always make a habit of having the more cooler and popular tracks
towards the beginning of the disc, even if it means moving them weeks
after they are recorded. Sometimes I use so much titling information on
the big hit songs, I have to relegate a forgettable song like "Do I Love
You" by Paul Anka Anthea Anka Featuring Kenny G Barry Gibb to be
titled simply as "309A5" which refers to the HitDisc weekly series
(309), the disc of that series (A) and the track number (5). Of course,
that's providing I ever play the song. Songs like that are rarely played
and shoved towards the back of the disc, where the "sucky" material is.
I can always refer to the master HitDisc (I've been a subscriber to that
weekly service for over ten years and they send me four CD's a week
covering all the latest hits in all the popular (and not so popular)
radio formats as well as the latest club music from the dance, disco and
techno artists and labels) if I forget
Re: MD: Name Full!!!/The Mad Titler
From: Rodney Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 12:43 PM Subject: RE: MD: Name Full!!!/"The Mad Titler" STEAL MY SUNSHINE (Album Edit) / LEN November 1999 Billboard Hot 100 Airplay No. 5 November 1999 Billboard No. 9 track from the LP's "You Can't Stop The Bum Rush" and the "Go" soundtrack BPM:118 STEAL MY SUNSHINE (Album Edit) / LEN 11/99 B/Board Hot 100 AP#5 11/99 B/Board #9 trk from LP's "You Can't Stop The Burn Rush" + "Go" S/trk BPM:118 GENIE IN A BOTTLE (Eddy Arroyo Radio Club Mix) / CHRISTINA AGUILERA August 1999 Billboard No. 1 (5 weeks) LP:"Christina Aguilera" BPM:125 September 1999 Billboard Hot 100 Airplay No. 1 (4 weeks) GENIE IN A BOTTLE (Eddy Arroyo Radio Club Mix) / CHRISTINA AGUILERA 08/99 B/Board #1 (5wks) LP:"Christina Aguilera" BPM:125 09/99 B/Voard Hot 100 AP#1 (4wks) Never heard of abbreviations? Magic -- "Creativity is more a birthright than an acquisition, and the power of sound is wisdom and understanding applied to the power of vibration." Location : Portsmouth, England, UK Homepage : http://www.mattnet.freeserve.co.uk EMail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Name Full!!!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm suprised no one has taken CaliforniaRod to task for suggesting that his recording library would require a laptop with at least 4GB of memory. At 1800 bytes per minidisc, he would need ~2.3 million MD's to store that much title info, which would occupy a 9 metre (30 foot) cube without cases. Also Dan Frakes wrote: Calculators? I'll take a single HP over ten Casio's any day ;-) And that's how many you'd get for the price of an HP. (reverse Polish notation) simon Hmmm, I must yet see the first NON HP calculator that can title a MiniDisc. Face it, HP calculators are just the best. And if you get used to RPN, you don't want to go back!!! Cheers, Ralph - Titling his MDs with a HP48S! -- === Ralph SmeetsFunctional Verification Centre Of Competence - CMG Voice: (+33) (0)4 76 58 44 46 STMicroelectronics Fax:(+33) (0)4 76 58 40 11 5, chem de la Dhuy Mobile: (+33) (0)6 82 66 62 70 38240 MEYLAN E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FRANCE === "For many years, mankind lived just like the animals. And then something happened that unleashed the powers of our imagination: We learned to talk." -- Stephen Hawking, later used by Pink Floyd -- === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Name Full!!!
On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 10:39:04AM +0100, Ralph Smeets wrote: I must yet see the first NON HP calculator that can title a MiniDisc. Face it, HP calculators are just the best. And if you get used to RPN, you don't want to go back!!! Cheers, Ralph - Titling his MDs with a HP48S! Hmm. I've got the JVC XU-301. I also happen to have an HP48SX laying around that I haven't used for a long time. Does it make titling easier? What software is out there to do this? -matt -- matthew c. mead [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.goof.com/~mmead/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Name Full!!!
I'm suprised no one has taken CaliforniaRod to task for suggesting that his recording library would require a laptop with at least 4GB of memory. At 1800 bytes per minidisc, he would need ~2.3 million MD's to store that much title info, which would occupy a 9 metre (30 foot) cube without cases. Also Dan Frakes wrote: Calculators? I'll take a single HP over ten Casio's any day ;-) And that's how many you'd get for the price of an HP. (reverse Polish notation) simon - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Name Full!!!
"Steven Brooks" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let's see... if you had songs like that (40 characters long, including apostrophes and spaces) on an MD, you would have to title 42.5 songs, a feat few Md-er's have achieved up until now... Well I regularily have 40-50 tracks per CD. In fact I fit 5 complete mono jazz LPs on 1 minidisc earlier this year. If I remember it had over 60 tracks on the disc. But the 40 limit is nothing new to me for the number of tracks on a disc. One of the biggest features on MD for me is mono recording for old mono jazz LPs. FYI, Jerry Jerry Jelinek at work via OS/2[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://junior.apk.net/~centaurs - My Favorite Web Links "..I wasn't meant to be a bandleader. I don't have a personality and I'm not good looking and I don't have all the things that go to make a glamorous bandleader." - Stan Kenton around 1938. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Name Full!!!
I don't understand. What do you mean by needing a laptop with 4GB to store titles? If you mean for the purpose of keeping a word processing type document so I would know where each track is without searching my memory or the discs themselves, you're right. There's no way a Psion or Palm could store that much information. However, if I know approximately when a song was released say August 1999 I know it will be somewhere in Dance Hits Volumes 145-150 or thereabouts if it is a dance song. If it is a very popular song, it will be at or near the front of the disc. If it is a song like "Faceplant (Edit)" by Videodrone it will be towards the back. That particular track will also be found on New Wave, New Rock, Modern Dance and Grunge Hits somewhere around volume 57 as it is a crossover. Sometimes I'll take a song like Limp Bizkit's "Nookie" and put it on four discs because it fits the catergories of Dance, Rap, Rock and the aforementioned New Wave although it obviously is closer to the last than any of the other three. I would estimate I have recorded 500-600 MiniDiscs so far. By a library of 30,000 titles I am referring to individual tracks on CD's-it is closer to 3,000 CD's but I consider each track a title particularly since the vast majority are various artists HitDiscs. If you are interested in seeing what HitDiscs are or are a professional or semi professional go to http://www.tmcentury.com and click on HitDiscs, then click the bottom of that page and any of the corresponding numbered and lettered boxes on the page following. It is an amazing music service, worth every last penny of the 235 dollars a month it costs. It is by far better than any of its competitors. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Name Full!!!
I'm suprised no one has taken CaliforniaRod to task for suggesting that his recording library would require a laptop with at least 4GB of memory. At 1800 bytes per minidisc, he would need ~2.3 million MD's to store that much title info, which would occupy a 9 metre (30 foot) cube without cases. I think he said the whole Hitdisc library would take up that much, not what he has. I think 4gig is pushing it a bit though... Simon - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Name Full!!!
Right. I wouldn't need the entire 4GB but I would need something with more than 16MB or so, which I think is the limit of the current Psions (but I don't know.) Jusrt read a blurb in Mobile Computer yesterday about the Psion 7 series, which is in use right now in Europe. Evidently they are much more popular there. The Psion 7 series sounds pretty amazing. Since I'm thinking amazing right now, if I were nominating a product of the year like E-Town, it would most assuredly NOT be TIVO, which will have far better competitors within a year (HDTV decoders with built in web connectivity, satellite, caller ID, TIVO type features, etc.) I would nominate Sony's robot dog AIBO (page 74, current edition of Sony Style) not because a $2500 computerized walking almost living dog is such a useful thing to have but because it is basically a consumer prototype of amazing robotic technology to come. This is one thing they did right, unlike the MiniDisc Camcorder where they neglected to insert a digital I/O interface. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Name Full!!!
Simon Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Calculators? I'll take a single HP over ten Casio's any day ;-) And that's how many you'd get for the price of an HP. (reverse Polish notation) Probably true :-) But you can't get RPN on a Casio, can you? I've forgotten how to use a "normal" calculator... - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Name full
Joost asked, | I read in the sony folder that you can store 1700 characters | on a 74 min. MD. Is this the same on a 80 min MD? It would have to be, since the TOC is the same size; only the audio area is larger. Rick had explained, 1) There are 255 "name blocks" available, each one able to hold 7 characters, so the absolute maximum for all tracks [plus the disc name] combined is 255*7=1785 characters. 2) The number of name blocks used by a track is: (title characters+6)/7 (rounding quotient down to nearest integer). So titling space is allocated in seven-character blocks. Thanks for the word on that, Rick. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Name Full!!!
Rodney Peterson wrote in detail about how he puts a lot of information into track titles. So Rodney, back to the subject: about how many tracks do you commonly get onto a disc before filling the titling space? When the titling space is full or too nearly full to accommodate another long track name, do you leave the rest of the disc's audio capacity empty or do you use it for tracks that don't need detailed titles? I counted about 180 characters in that Jennifer Lopez track - so I'm guessing about 9ish tracks (?) before filling all of the space. I wonder if there's a way to increase titling space by writing onto the music area (kinda the opposite to the trick where you write over titling space to increase capacity). Another question for Rodney: as you clearly need to have such information about the tracks you play, why not use a PDA like a Palm or Psion to keep a database of all this information (and details of which disc the track is on)? It could be kept to hand, and could be fully searchable. Titling all that info onto discs must be a horrendous chore - even when I have access to a deck I only use the most basic titles (and often shorten long words/titles), and I hate doing "various artists" compilations because it's more to do.. Simon - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Name Full!!!
It depends on the disc as to how many songs are used before full name capacity is used. If I have an important song with 200 or so characters needed before the title is complete, I "code" the really comparably horrible songs at the back of the disc with titles like "333B14" (Meaning Hit Disc Series 333, Disc B, Track 14). Usually I'll never play these songs, but if I do, and I can't recall what they are while listening I refer to the Master HitDisc CD Library (over 2,000 HitDiscs so far which are stored in organized numerical order) and look at the information there to dechiper what "333B14" is. If I'm out and the library is not available to me since I store it at home, especially on a DJ gig, there's a 99.99% chance the song isn't worth playing anyway-but once I record a song onto MD, I rarely erase it-if it turns out to be more of a "stiff" than a hit I just move it to the back of the disc, where the "crappy" stuff is usually stored. Of course, there are many exceptions, where every song on the disc is a legitimate hit. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Name Full!!!
A Psion or a Palm simply would not have enough memory. At one time, I had the entire HitDisc library stored on word processor (but name, title and location only.) I think there were about 25 or so 1.44 MB discs fllled before the word processor could take it no more and blew up. I would have to use a laptop with at least 4GB of memory to do the job and it would take forever to input the information again, although I imagine I'll get around to it one of these days. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Name Full!!! [getting a bit OT]
A Psion or a Palm simply would not have enough memory. At one time, I had the entire HitDisc library stored on word processor (but name, title and location only.) I think there were about 25 or so 1.44 MB discs fllled before the word processor could take it no more and blew up. I would have to use a laptop with at least 4GB of memory to do the job and it would take forever to input the information again, although I imagine I'll get around to it one of these days. An idea might be to use one of the new IBM Microdrive discs - they fit in a CompactFlash slot and offer (at the moment) up to 340mb, at reasonable prices (under 1UKP per Mb). They're planning to get up to several gigabytes next year. Might be a technology to keep an eye on - one of the proposed uses is for keeping large databases on hand for sales people, field engineers, etc. http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/micro/ Simon - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Name Full!!!
Only when I copied TDK's guide to amazing sound (as it is an excellent series of tests for all sound systems - home, car, studio or even hall). The disc has about 43 tracks and it wasn't long before the 255 character limit was reached. Adios, LarZ --- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums --- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of metatron Sent: Saturday, 11 December 1999 6:05 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:MD: Name Full!!! While titling a recording of Handel's 'Semele' , which contains lots of snappy numbers like 'Ah, wretched prince... Wing'd with our fearsO prodigy, to me of dire portent!' on my Sony deck, I received the 'Name Full !!!' message. I like to pack the info in when titling, and with opera, you can really get carried away, but to my amazement, this is the first time I've ever exceeded the limit. Just wondered if anyone else had ever run out of space in normal use? - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Name Full!!!/E Bay
Oh, incidentially, I have a number of things for auction currently on E-Bay if anyone wishes to check them out. They include a mint condition JVC-XMD1 MiniDisc Recorder, a Geffen Records publicity photo signed by every member of the band Guns N' Roses from the "Appetite For Destruction" era, approximately three hours of behnd the scenes high resolution home video shot on Mini DV with a 3CCD Mini DV Camcorder of my friend /neighbor /accquaintance Fred Durst (of Limp Bizkit), two 8x10's signed by Kate Winslet, one framed 8x10 lobby card from "Titanic" signed by Leonardo DiCaprio and Kate Winslet, a brand new THX WOW! LaserDisc (not commercially available) and a very rare, completely genuine, absolutely not bootlegged 2 CD set of Michael Jackson performing a private concert for the Sultan of Brunei and his friends and family, which was pressed for concert goers and given to me by a friend of mine who was one of the members of the Sultan Of Brunei's "harem" of young American and European girls he pays handsomely for various "services". And if you think that's something, I gotta tell you this part. He also gave her a six million dollar necklace and a $750,000 watch. (Don't forget, he was the wealthiest man in the world. Now, he's No. 2 behind-you guessed it-Bill Gates. (GO, BILL!!! F**k the Sultan!). Unfortunately, I don't own the jewelry nor have it up for auction. Damn! The Sultan is also a control freak. After having been the guest of his entourage at the 1996 Atlanta Olympics, my friend was in her hotel room talking to her boyfriend (a pop star from Norway named Sway (a/k/a Espin Lind now) when her call waiting kicked in and she decided to continue talking to her boyfriend. After she was done, she called to find out who it was and it turned out to be the Sultan or Prince Jeffri (I forget which.) To make a long story short, he had $250,000 in cash waiting for her but because she did not pick up the phone the Sultan (or Prince Jeffri) decided she did not want to talk to him and therefore did not want and did not receive the $250,000 cash. How's that for an a**hole? Anyway, enough of that interesting story. (There's lots more.) If any of the auction items sound interesting to you, please go to E-Bay and do a search for my seller name, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks! Rodney - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Name Full!!!
You actually run OUT of characters on your disc? Do you really need more than 1700 characters (AFAIK, the maximum limit)? Exactly how much time DO you have on your hands for these marathon titling sessions? :-) Throwing in my 2 cents, I get irked when I have to title a track like the Quad City DJ's "C'mon Ride It (The Train)" especially if I'm including the Band's name... Let's see... if you had songs like that (40 characters long, including apostrophes and spaces) on an MD, you would have to title 42.5 songs, a feat few Md-er's have achieved up until now... As far as the eight- or ten-line LCD on the MD, I suppose it might be practical for showing the preceding song, the current song playing, and the next song; for more long-winded titles, it would display the current title in however many lines needed. Steve "We found you in the spare room with your eyes no longer there / The lamp flex led up to your heart like a divers cord for air / We electrolysed your mind / And analysed your limbs / Escapist rap -- I've had all that / Now it's me that's going to win" 'Pressure' (Sunscreem) Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Steven Brooks/HOME_OFF/AGLIFE) Subject: MD: Name Full!!! While titling a recording of Handel's 'Semele' , which contains lots of snappy numbers like 'Ah, wretched prince... Wing'd with our fearsO prodigy, to me of dire portent!' on my Sony deck, I received the 'Name Full !!!' message. I like to pack the info in when titling, and with opera, you can really get carried away, but to my amazement, this is the first time I've ever exceeded the limit. Just wondered if anyone else had ever run out of space in normal use? The titling feature seems to me to be one of the major glories of the format, and high on my wish list is for some manufacturer to produce a deck with either a small eight or ten line LCD screen, or a thin display that runs the width of the unit. The truncated titles that you end up looking at really get on my tits. Maybe Japanese is less verbose. John - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
