Re: [MBZ] vacume leak/no engine stop

[Jason Greene]

OK,

Here is what I just did... I put the miti-vac (mv) on the IP where the 
brown line comes in... and turned off the key and pulled a vacuum 
result = engine shut off...


Then I did the same thing but atached the mv to the brown line going 
into the key... reuslt = engine shut off


Then I did the same thing to this...  result =  engine shut off
http://www.pictureblogger.com/Mercedes/dscn0989

Then I just put my thumb on this blue hose like in the picture... result 
=  engine shut off.


Then I did the same thing to the line with the green valve.. result = 
engine shut off...


Well that line that comes off the greene valve is "black" and goes to 
the tranny...  I looked down  and followed that line... I could see the 
green connection on the tranny with the hoes sitting next to 
it...viola... problem solved.


Thanks for all the help!!!

Jason


Jim Cathey wrote:


And if this is the case... why won't my car turn off?

Another thing I noticed at the same time was the trany is now shifting 
really hard. It never did this
   



All part of the same thing.  With vacuum problems (leaks) the
HVAC doesn't work right, the doors don't lock/unlock, the car
won't shut off, and the tranny shifts hard.  They're all
vacuum-driven!  You need to find whatever is disconnected,
or more likely cracked in half, and fix it.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5

[Peter Frederick]

Turbocharger?

Not a chance, unless someone has swapped in a 617 turbodiesel instead 
of the V8.


There is no room for a turbo in there, believe me.  Hardly room for the 
V8!


Rust is a deal killer, for sure.

Make sure the rear end is OK, as well, they are getting somewhat scarce.

Peter

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

[Barry Stark]

Jim -
Did the machine shop resurface the head? Some times the shops just run a
sanding block over it. Also, when you torqued down the head did you follow
an established torque pattern and use that pattern to torque the head down
in 3 or 4 successive levels of tightness. If you didn't torque it down using
this method, I would drain the water, pull out the plugs, loosen the nuts,
again in the approved pattern and in a few steps, then re-torque the nuts
properly. That may get it done. If it still leaks, you might try popping the
head off, cleaning off any residual gasket material, and putting the head
back on the block dry with no fasteners. Now see if you can stick feeler
gauges between the block deck and head as a means to check for warping. If
you detect warping, even with the studs in place, you should be able to get
a pretty good feel for how straight the deck of the block is with a good
precision straight edge. The head could easily be checked as well using the
same straight edge. I have worked on engines before with studs in the block.
It's kinda a pain. One of the things that took me a lot of time on those was
to clean the crud from around the base of each stud. If you missed some
material there, it might be possible that it is interfering with the fit,
not allowing the head to seat properly.

Barry

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Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 3:22 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset


> Warpage? You did put a surface plate on it while it was apart,
> didn't you?

I did nothing.  The head went to the shop and came back 'done'.
The block was sleeved by them, and honed, but that was it.  The
forest of studs poking out of the block were not removed, so
obviously no flatness test was done.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Where can I buy the best priced suspension spheres?

[Craig McCluskey]

On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 17:07:16 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Most people here though buy from Rusty since he is the cheapest and has
> the best service.

And that's a killer combination!

I showed Rusty's prices to my Indy in Austin, TX, while I was there and he
was rather shocked that someone would be selling at prices so low.


Craig

Re: [MBZ] Where can I buy the best priced suspension spheres?

[LT Don]

Wish Rusty sold BUICK parts!

On 1/1/06, Rick Knoble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hell, I even buy my Toyota parts from Rusty. His prices are as good as
> any,
> plus he has sponsored these MB lists for years. It kinda chaps my ass when
> someone wonders about buying crap from McParts, or adsuk or where ever.
> Kinda like asking what brand of 20+ year old German car to buy, BMW or
> Opel.
> Rick Knoble
> 1985 300 CD
>
> - Original Message -
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>
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> > supplier.  At the bottom of each message, there is a link for new parts
> > aw well.
> >
> > kayoooh @ gmail wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Please tell me where I can buy the best priced (and shortest delivery
> time)
> > > Nitrogen spheres for the suspension of my 1992 600SEL.
> > > I think the diaphragms inside them have ruptured, the ride is very
> harsh
> and
> > > unbearable!!
> > >
> > > Thank you all,
> > >
> > > Omar.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

[JFreezn]

 
In a message dated 1/1/2006 4:22:41 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I did  nothing.  The head went to the shop and came back 'done'.
The block  was sleeved by them, and honed, but that was it.  The
forest of studs  poking out of the block were not removed, so
obviously no flatness test was  done.



Jim,
 
wrong head gasket?  
 
Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 261 K miles 
98 ML 320, 139 K  miles

Re: [MBZ] OT: Dodge Caravan ignition lock cylinder

[Barry Stark]

Allan,Ed -
Not sure how Chrysler does their locks, but with GM stuff the dealer can cut
a new key using a code that the dealer can reference. It would be cut just
as new.

Barry

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Dodge Caravan ignition lock cylinder


On 1/1/06, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We have a 2002 Dodge Grand Caravan.  Recently the ignition key has
> started refusing to turn, on an intermittent basis.  Consulted a local
> locksmith and he suggested that it was dirty and to "blast it out with
> WD40".  I don't like the idea of using oil in a lock but he insisted it
> would be fine.  Sure enough it seemed to resolve the problem -- for a
> couple of weeks.

My father owns a 99 Dodge Ram Van. When he bought the vehicle used it
had a single key. He took it to a lock smith and had a key cut. It
opened the drivers door and worked no other lock. Had a second key cut
and it opened the passenger door and worked the ignition, but not the
drivers door, rear door or dual split (where slider would be) door.
Had a third key cut, this key worked driver's door, rear door, and
ignition. At this point the locksmith kind of said "I give." and
wouldn't cut any more keys. Gave my dad back his money and let him
keep all three.

I got the van for a few months after an accident left me without
vehicle. Was completely awed that the keys worked like that. The
original worked everything, but not a single cut key did. Took the
vehicle to the dealership and had them cut a key. It didn't work any
of the locks, but after work I could get it to turn the ignition. Took
it back to service desk, recut, worked some locks, but not all.
Service tech was like me, very interested in the problem, and we
brought all the keys out, he pulled out what looked like a spanner,
whatever it was he was measuring the keys that worked in certain
locks.

He finally said "Ah ... yeah, the master key has been worn in an odd
way. I'm not sure why it still works all the locks, but the pins won't
line up properly on most of the rest of these keys." He cut me two
more keys, with the master positioned slightly further out then I've
usually seen which made the next two keys a little larger. When you
hold the keys together, you can see the new key following the outline
behind the master key. Both keys worked everything just fine.

I'm guessing that the metal used in Dodge / Chrysler keys late 90's to
today may not be a full steel blend. I know that the old Geo,
specifically the Metro, keys had a lot of Aluminum in them. When it
got real cold it was very easy to break a key off in a lock because
they became extremely brittle.

If you can explain it to the service tech this way, and have them
recut you master that is *slightly* larger than what you have right
now, it *might* solve this issue. No promises, but I'm with the other
guys on heavy keyrings. The key may be worn like the key to my dad's
van, in an odd way that lets it work sometimes and not others.

*shrugs* YMMV

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Re: [MBZ] the warp drive mystery

[LT Don]

AS 240D with a new filter isn't much better! I know, I just got back from a
60 mile round trip in mine.

I think it is just about time for an S-Class diesel.

On 1/1/06, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> A 240D with a bad filter is a DRAG.
>
>   -Curt
>
>
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] CL Pugeot $500

[LT Don]

I am sure Rusty can get them.

On 1/1/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> good luck finding parts
>
> Rick Knoble wrote:
>
> > Pugeot close to me, no affiliation, ect
> > http://chicago.craigslist.org/car/121832447.html
> >
> > Rick Knoble
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Re: [MBZ] 2 190D parts/project cars

[LT Don]

I wouldn't go back to Greenville SC if they gave me the cars for free, plus
offered to ship them to Iowa for me at no cost.

On 1/1/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-190-Series-190D-Project-Car-1984-Mercedes-190D-2-2-Diesel-w-Parts-car_W0QQitemZ4601252060QQcategoryZ6328QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> --
> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>   89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
>   84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
>   76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
> http://www.striplin.net
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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Inspections

[David Brodbeck]

Jim Cathey wrote:
>>Add NJ to the list that uses a fairly lengthy dynamometer emissions 
>>test,
>>every 2 years.
> 
> 
> WA does this in many counties.  Used to be every year, now is every
> two.  Diesel is just a rev/opacity test.  Dyno was (is?) used for
> gassers, but only if 2wd, non-studded tires.  Else OBD2.

I think it's also only an OBD2 test for 1996 and later gassers, isn't it?

Re: [MBZ] the warp drive mystery

[Hendrik Riessen]

You're on your own.

Hendrik

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From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] the warp drive mystery



this one does have an o2 sensor.

Hendrik Riessen wrote:

Hopefully yes but don't get too excited, if you where talking diesel 
engine

I would agree but seeing as this is not..
Anyway keep us up to date.
Also I think round about 1985 the change over to KE started, the KE 
systems
have an oxygen sensor in the exhaust system and a pile more electrical 
crap.


Hendrik

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] the warp drive mystery




The linkage all moves fine.  The filter has not been changed so its
probably about 90% sure to be the problem.  Thats the first step for
sure.  Its CIS/K I think, but not sure.  And yes, the sensor plate feels
just like its supposed to.

Hendrik Riessen wrote:


Well...it may be the filter. If it is old, change it. 
However



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[MBZ] Wet yourself cool!!!!

[redghost]

http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/Tomlinson.htm


I think I need one of these babies for my little Gump.  An 18 cyl 
diesel engine would make her rip along.  Too bad dude made it small.  
Maybe I could drop it in a go cart with a 300sl body

--
Clay
Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

Re: [MBZ] the warp drive mystery

[Hendrik Riessen]

Couple of links to help you determine what you have created
http://www.boschautoparts.co.uk/pcPetr11.asp?c=2&d=1
http://covintechnical.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tech_2.htm
http://www.aicautosite.com/garage/encyclop/ency07c.asp

Hendrik

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] the warp drive mystery



You're on your own.

Hendrik

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From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] the warp drive mystery



this one does have an o2 sensor.

Hendrik Riessen wrote:


Hopefully yes but don't get too excited, if you where talking diesel
engine
I would agree but seeing as this is not..
Anyway keep us up to date.
Also I think round about 1985 the change over to KE started, the KE
systems
have an oxygen sensor in the exhaust system and a pile more electrical
crap.

Hendrik

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] the warp drive mystery




The linkage all moves fine.  The filter has not been changed so its
probably about 90% sure to be the problem.  Thats the first step for
sure.  Its CIS/K I think, but not sure.  And yes, the sensor plate feels
just like its supposed to.

Hendrik Riessen wrote:



Well...it may be the filter. If it is old, change it.
However



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Re: [MBZ] Wet yourself cool!!!!

[Jim Cathey]

http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/Tomlinson.htm


That _is_ nice.  I wonder how strong it will be?

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Inspections

[Jim Cathey]

I think it's also only an OBD2 test for 1996 and later gassers, isn't 
it?


The only thing we have post-86 is a 97 diesel pickup.  Can't tell you!

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

[Jim Cathey]

wrong head gasket?


Sure looked right.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

[Jim Cathey]

Did the machine shop resurface the head? Some times the shops just run 
a


Don't know, actually.

sanding block over it. Also, when you torqued down the head did you 
follow
an established torque pattern and use that pattern to torque the head 
down
in 3 or 4 successive levels of tightness. If you didn't torque it down 
using


I did a spiral pattern out from the center, in three passes.  I
don't have a manual for this motor, but they shop guys did look
up the torque values (triplet) for me.  I made up my own pattern
based upon the stuff I've seen for other engines.

this method, I would drain the water, pull out the plugs, loosen the 
nuts,
again in the approved pattern and in a few steps, then re-torque the 
nuts
properly. That may get it done. If it still leaks, you might try 
popping the
head off, cleaning off any residual gasket material, and putting the 
head
back on the block dry with no fasteners. Now see if you can stick 
feeler
gauges between the block deck and head as a means to check for 
warping. If
you detect warping, even with the studs in place, you should be able 
to get
a pretty good feel for how straight the deck of the block is with a 
good
precision straight edge. The head could easily be checked as well 
using the
same straight edge. I have worked on engines before with studs in the 
block.
It's kinda a pain. One of the things that took me a lot of time on 
those was

to clean the crud from around the base of each stud. If you missed some
material there, it might be possible that it is interfering with the 
fit,

not allowing the head to seat properly.


Everything was very clean so far as I can remember.  The leaks are in
the center, both sides.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] the warp drive mystery

[Jim Cathey]

Yes a reduction in power but without load the motor will still go to 
the

redline, that's about 1500rpm in a 240D isn't it?


5100 is closer.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 2 190D parts/project cars

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

why not?

LT Don wrote:


I wouldn't go back to Greenville SC if they gave me the cars for free, plus
offered to ship them to Iowa for me at no cost.

On 1/1/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



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Re: [MBZ] [Banned] Wet yourself cool!!!!

[M. Mitchell Marmel]

At 5:27 PM -0800 1/1/06, redghost wrote:

http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/Tomlinson.htm


Nce.  :9

-MMM-

Re: [MBZ] Korean 124s

[OK Don]

I did use a front stabilizer bar from a "C" in my Olds V-8 powered MGA
- it was a nice handling car  and sure surprized a LOT of folk.

>
> At $4500, I could see it as a possibility. For $9000, you would have to love
> the car enough to do a cost-is-no-object project. I don't think I could sell
> a completed car for more than the body would cost me. A really nice B seems
> to be a $5000-7000 car around here. I did just have a Frankenbenz idea.
> How about a B chassis with an OM602 turbo engine and five speed? Couldn't
> be any more nose-heavy than a MBC, could it? I almost bought a C-GT project
> for $800 about 20 years ago, IIRC it needed brakes, engine rebuild and
> upholstery.
--
OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
'90 300D, '87 300SDL,  '81 240D,  '78 450SLC
The FSM created the Diesel Benz
http://www.venganza.org/

Re: [MBZ] 2 190D parts/project cars

[LT Don]

www.bju.edu 1970-1974

On 1/2/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> why not?
>
> LT Don wrote:
>
> > I wouldn't go back to Greenville SC if they gave me the cars for free,
> plus
> > offered to ship them to Iowa for me at no cost.
> >
> > On 1/1/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-190-Series-190D-Project-Car-1984-Mercedes-190D-2-2-Diesel-w-Parts-car_W0QQitemZ4601252060QQcategoryZ6328QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> >>--
> >>Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
> >>  89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
> >>  84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
> >>  76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
> >>http://www.striplin.net
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> > 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle
> >
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>   89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
>   84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
>   76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] Korean 124s

[redghost]

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/121149673.html

$6500 for a restored mgb shell


On Sunday, January 1, 2006, at 06:34 PM, OK Don wrote:


I did use a front stabilizer bar from a "C" in my Olds V-8 powered MGA
- it was a nice handling car  and sure surprized a LOT of folk.



At $4500, I could see it as a possibility. For $9000, you would have 
to love
the car enough to do a cost-is-no-object project. I don't think I 
could sell
a completed car for more than the body would cost me. A really nice B 
seems
to be a $5000-7000 car around here. I did just have a Frankenbenz 
idea.
How about a B chassis with an OM602 turbo engine and five speed? 
Couldn't
be any more nose-heavy than a MBC, could it? I almost bought a C-GT 
project

for $800 about 20 years ago, IIRC it needed brakes, engine rebuild and
upholstery.

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Norman, OK
'90 300D, '87 300SDL,  '81 240D,  '78 450SLC
The FSM created the Diesel Benz
http://www.venganza.org/

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Clay
Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5

[OK Don]

Mercedes did turbocharge the 117 4.5 litre engine - in the C111, and
set several world records with it. They did this after setting all
those DIesel records with the turbo'd 617, and after porche stole a
record from them. Got it back with the C111/117.

On 1/1/06, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Turbocharger?
>
> Not a chance, unless someone has swapped in a 617 turbodiesel instead
> of the V8.
>
--
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Norman, OK
'90 300D, '87 300SDL,  '81 240D,  '78 450SLC
The FSM created the Diesel Benz
http://www.venganza.org/

Re: [MBZ] Where can I buy the best priced suspension spheres?

[OK Don]

Dump the Buick and get another real car!

On 1/1/06, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Wish Rusty sold BUICK parts!
>

--
OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
'90 300D, '87 300SDL,  '81 240D,  '78 450SLC
The FSM created the Diesel Benz
http://www.venganza.org/

Re: [MBZ] Where can I buy the best priced suspension spheres?

[Richard Knoble]

You and me both, pal.
Rick Knoble
'85 300CD


Wish Rusty sold BUICK parts!

Re: [MBZ] OT: Dodge Caravan ignition lock cylinder

[OK Don]

Lots of other things are breaking on our '97 Plymouth Grand Voyager,
but not the ignition switch (knocking on wood). It's amazing how much
better the 10 - 15 years older Benz's hold up than the Chrysler.

That having been said, I am surprised that a lock smith would tell you
to spray parafin (WD--40) into a lock. Use brake cleaner or contact
cleaner (like you did last), and lubricate with graphite. I'd
re-install it and use it while checking out the price of a new
cylinder from the stealership.



--
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Norman, OK
'90 300D, '87 300SDL,  '81 240D,  '78 450SLC
The FSM created the Diesel Benz
http://www.venganza.org/

[MBZ] first car list of 06

[redghost]

Salutations!  If you are offended by a random listing of cars, please 
press your delete key and move on.  Others who find this interesting, 
please peruse and enjoy.


http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/121841558.html  --  94 S500  $7500

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/121851564.html  --  62 220sb  $150

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/121809154.html  --  73 280sel 4.5  $6k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/121734146.html  --  85 300D $4600

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/121724957.html  --  84 SE  $1k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/121712278.html  --  82 diesel audi 
$700


http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/121695075.html  --  Ghetto SEL  $12k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/121623963.html  --  71 220d  $1200???

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/121578213.html  --  89 sel  $6k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/121548767.html  --  52 220  $7k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/121549484.html  --  80 6.9  $14k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/121559272.html  --  trailer

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/121530196.html  --  71 250 $3k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/121514299.html  --  88  TE $6k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/121525025.html  --  97 V12

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/121497654.html  --  68 280se cp $12k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/121384176.html  --  86 300e $1800

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/121095733.html  --  66 finny $700

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/121374148.html  -- Kaleb price 190e

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/121330044.html  --  58 180D Ponton

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/121258846.html  --  77 300d  $4200

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/121241648.html  --  87 D $9k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/121130433.html  --  61 180b  $500

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/121118057.html  --  69 280se $3k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/121103083.html  --  95 s500  $10k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/121032570.html  --  78 SD  $4500

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/120962243.html  --  92 SE $8500

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/120888119.html  --  72 250c  $2500

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/120864374.html  --  77 240D $2300

I can go look at any of these you would like further data on.


--
Clay
Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

[OK Don]

AS a quick and dirty - I don't want to put more time/money than
neccesary into it - move, you could try one of the head gasket sealing
products. That engine isn't very high compression is it? Might be
worth a shot, but I'd bet against it working.

--
OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
'90 300D, '87 300SDL,  '81 240D,  '78 450SLC
The FSM created the Diesel Benz
http://www.venganza.org/

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

[Chris]

Anyone here ever work with one of these?

http://utterpower.com/listeroi.htm


Chris Kueny ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
78 Chevy Custom deluxe
'85 300TD
'02 Subaru Outback



- Original Message - 
From: "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset



AS a quick and dirty - I don't want to put more time/money than
neccesary into it - move, you could try one of the head gasket sealing
products. That engine isn't very high compression is it? Might be
worth a shot, but I'd bet against it working.

--
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Norman, OK
'90 300D, '87 300SDL,  '81 240D,  '78 450SLC
The FSM created the Diesel Benz
http://www.venganza.org/

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Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5

[Bob Rentfro]

So this has a turbo? 
Is this dude a Craigslist crack smoker? 
Is this someting to run from?


I love gleaning knowledge from all y'all.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 146K
Litchfield Park, AZ


- Original Message - 
From: "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5



Mercedes did turbocharge the 117 4.5 litre engine - in the C111, and
set several world records with it. They did this after setting all
those DIesel records with the turbo'd 617, and after porche stole a
record from them. Got it back with the C111/117.

On 1/1/06, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Turbocharger?

Not a chance, unless someone has swapped in a 617 turbodiesel instead
of the V8.


--
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Norman, OK
'90 300D, '87 300SDL,  '81 240D,  '78 450SLC
The FSM created the Diesel Benz
http://www.venganza.org/

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Re: [MBZ] [Banned] Wet yourself cool!!!!

[OK Don]

Talk about a PROJECT! That engine is complicated! However, it is a
spark vergasser, even though he modeled it from a Diesel -- heresy!

On 1/1/06, M. Mitchell Marmel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 5:27 PM -0800 1/1/06, redghost wrote:
> >http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/Tomlinson.htm
>
> Nce.  :9
>
> -MMM-
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Norman, OK
'90 300D, '87 300SDL,  '81 240D,  '78 450SLC
The FSM created the Diesel Benz
http://www.venganza.org/

Re: [MBZ] 2 190D parts/project cars

[OK Don]

He's holding out for a 126 ---

On 1/1/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> why not?
>
> LT Don wrote:
>
> > I wouldn't go back to Greenville SC if they gave me the cars for free, plus
> > offered to ship them to Iowa for me at no cost.
> >
--
OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
'90 300D, '87 300SDL,  '81 240D,  '78 450SLC
The FSM created the Diesel Benz
http://www.venganza.org/

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

[Mitch Haley]

Jim Cathey wrote:
> Everything was very clean so far as I can remember.  The leaks are in
> the center, both sides.

How much does 6 gallons of Evans coolant cost?
I bet the leaks would be quite minor at zero pressure.

Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5

[OK Don]

> So this has a turbo?  Not very likely, especially at this price.

> Is this dude a Craigslist crack smoker? Quite possibly!

> Is this someting to run from? Not nessecarily - look at it, with your eyes 
> wide open.


--
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Norman, OK
'90 300D, '87 300SDL,  '81 240D,  '78 450SLC
The FSM created the Diesel Benz
http://www.venganza.org/

Re: [MBZ] first car list of 06

[Ed Booher]

On 1/1/06, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/121851564.html  --  62 220sb  $150

Damn you Seattle for being so far away from Indianapolis!

--
Knowledge is power... Power Corrupts. Study hard... Be Evil.

Re: [MBZ] Grumman flying boats

[RELNGSON]

<>

Actually, all   four of Grumman's flying boats used   that gear design.

RLE

Re: [MBZ] Where can I buy the best priced suspension spheres?

[Rick Knoble]

> On the other hand, and to the other Listers who may have replied with some
> unneeded remarks, I say that I did not know that it was mandatory to buy
> from a certain vendor or that it was Taboo to even contemplate the
existence
> of several vendors who cater to the MB community!

I was one of 'em. I didn't mean to piss in your Wheaties. I meant no
offense.

I have owned and serviced foreign automobiles for over 25 years. Rusty's
service is second to none, and I have tried many mail order auto parts
emporiums. Many were good, MB Parts surpasses them all. I can second that
statement for parts for other imported autos also. In my opinion, if  you
are buying parts for an imported car, buy them from Rusty. That is all.

Rick Knoble
1985 300 CD

Re: [MBZ] Grumman flying boats

[LT Don]

They dropped down not quite one at a time, but with enough of a time lag
that it took lots of rudder to correct when the first one (starboard side,
if I remember) started its path down.

On 1/2/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> < My dad flew in those, S&R.>>
>
> Actually, all   four of Grumman's flying boats used   that gear design.
>
> RLE
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Re: [MBZ] vacume leak/no engine stop

[V Layton]

First, let me say the 1985s are the most complicated and vacuum (emmssion) 
control laden of all the W123 diesels, and I don't know precisely how 
everything works exactly, but-


The photo (63) -the red circeld bit should have a "Y" that on one end has 
the small black tube that leads into the firewall, and one going the other 
way to join other vac lines that travel to the other ide of the motor, this 
is all for system vacuum venting.


There should not tbe two small black lines going into the firewall, (usually 
anyway, up to 1984 models I'm sure) one of the small black lines should go 
to the transmission modulator.


It's possible you pulled that too, thus the rough shifting.  The large, hard 
plastic fixed line from the vac pump to the booster is the main supply for 
all the car's needed system vacuum, the most important being the brake 
booster.  All other vacuum taps off this.  The 1985 turbos have three 
additional vacuum system controls (and minus 2 others) not found on the 
pre-'85s. (US turbos)  The transmission modulator line should come off the 
blue vacuum valve control mounted by the driver hood hinge compartment.


How is the brown wire to the shuf-off valve I mentioned?  Sounds like you 
really need a hand vac pump to check for vacuum pump operation (in case of 
coincidental failure) fuel shut-off valve operation, and vacuum modulator 
pressure retention.  There really should be something obviously unplugged, 
unless you plugged up the lines wrong or the pump failed, since you now have 
two major symptoms.  On e can also check the ignition vac control operation 
from supply to fuel shut-off valve by applying the hand tester to the brown 
supply line off the main line (that goes into the firewall)  and checking 
the operation with the key in both positions.  (This avoids having to pull 
the kick panel)   To isolate the fuel shut off valve itself, simply hook 
your pump into that and test, which it's behavoir will indicate how sealed 
it is.


I hope that clairfies, there isn't much else I can say without messing 
around with the car myself.




Vince

www.club123d.org



From: Jason Greene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] vacume leak/no engine stop
Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 16:23:24 -0600

So there are 2 lines that go into the cabin? A small black line

http://www.pictureblogger.com/Mercedes/dscn0982

and this small black line is supposed to attach to that white thing on the 
IP?



And a larger black line that does the same thing but connects to a juction 
where several lines attache?


Sorry, Just want to be sure.

And if this is the case... why won't my car turn off?

Another thing I noticed at the same time was the trany is now shifting 
really hard. It never did this


This s an 85  123 with 80K miles




Jason







Jim Cathey wrote:

>>So we know what the larger black line is (clean air intake) but what is
>>the smaller black line?
>>
>>
>
>Vent line.  Bleeds off vacuum by sucking clean(er) cabin air.
>Not your problem, in other words.
>
>-- Jim
>
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Re: [MBZ] More Grumman

[RELNGSON]

The "Gold Monkey" airplane was a Goose and the Fantasy Island plane was a 
Widgeon.

RLE

Re: [MBZ] Official CLub 123D Info

[Mitch Haley]

Vince, have you seen what those crazy Finns do to 123s?
For instance, if you take time to download this video, 
you will see one with an OM606 (3.0L 24V diesel) lay
an incredible amount of rubber down before the driver
(rehtijii) figured out he couldn't just floor it from a
standing start. He did a 13.9 1/4 mile with less wheelspin
on his next run. 
http://students.tukkk.fi/tuukka.simonen/Mersuvideot/quarter_mile_Finland_May_2005.wmv

Re: [MBZ] More Grumman

[Mitch Haley]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> The "Gold Monkey" airplane was a Goose and the Fantasy Island plane was a
> Widgeon.

"De Plane" was up for auction on eBay a couple of years ago, IIRC many of
the guest stars had signed the seats. Anybody remember what it sold for?

Re: [MBZ] Where can I buy the best priced suspension spheres?

[LT Don]

Hoping to. Except "dump" will mean it becomes the daughter's college car.

On 1/2/06, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Dump the Buick and get another real car!
>
> On 1/1/06, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Wish Rusty sold BUICK parts!
> >
>
> --
> OK Don, KD5NRO
> Norman, OK
> '90 300D, '87 300SDL,  '81 240D,  '78 450SLC
> The FSM created the Diesel Benz
> http://www.venganza.org/
>
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Re: [MBZ] Wet yourself cool!!!!

[Craig McCluskey]

On Sun, 1 Jan 2006 17:27:11 -0800 redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/Tomlinson.htm

VERY impressive!


Craig

Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5

[Peter Frederick]

May be, but NOT in a W108 chassis!  There's barely room for the 
exhaust, let alone turbo piping, and it goes fast enough as it is -- I 
have one.


The 617 swap was fairly common in Germany -- reduced the taxed 
considerably and didn't take too much off performance.


Peter

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

[dave walton]

What did you use as the electrolyte?
What did you use for power?

Thanks

-Dave Walton
94 S350, 99 E300

On 1/1/06, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I was curious how you got the piston out of the rusted bore without
> > beating
> > the crap out of it to get it out.
>
> What do you mean 'without'?  :-)
>
> Much crap was beaten.  But only after some serious rounds of
> electrolytic rust-removal, and a bunch of penetrating oil.
> Three pistons were rusted in solidly, but all came out OK.
> Eventually.
>
> -- Jim
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

[Jim Cathey]

Anyone here ever work with one of these?

http://utterpower.com/listeroi.htm


No, but I'd like to!

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] vacume leak/no engine stop

[Marshall Booth]

Jason Greene wrote:

Hi,  I'm sorta new to the list..

I have a vacuum leak... I think. My engine will not turn off.

This happened after I change my oil.  I noticed a line had come out of a 
joint so I replaced it... I still can't turn off the engine with the 
key.  The two brown hoses that come off the ignition switch are 
connected but I have a small and a large black hose that come through 
the firewall and connect to nothing.


The large one goes to a rubber U joint in the engine bay and the small 
one goes to a rubber elbow and that goes to a white plastic thing on the 
IP...


What I can't figure out is where they go after they get through the 
firewall... I don't see any other hoses


This MIGHT help:


http://www.peterschmid.com/1984_617.htm


Marshall
--
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  "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
'87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 
turbo 237kmi

Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

[Jim Cathey]

What did you use as the electrolyte?


Washing soda.  Sodium carbonate.  Found it in the laundry room.


What did you use for power?


Battery charger.  Found it in the garage.

Net capital cost: Zero.  Net result: OMFG this stuff is magic!

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] vacume leak/no engine stop

[V Layton]

This is kind of dumb,  I wrote out this response earlier this afternon and 
then I forgot about it when a new member (41!) came over for his 
appointment, and he stayed awhile and and we talked shop for about 4 hours 
and it was just cooking here in my email unposted, which is why it looks 
hopelessy late and pointless.  Sorry.


Note to self:  Hit send

Vince





From: "V Layton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] vacume leak/no engine stop
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 03:32:13 +

First, let me say the 1985s are the most complicated and vacuum (emmssion) 
control laden of all the W123 diesels, and I don't know precisely how 
everything works exactly, but-


The photo (63) -the red circeld bit should have a "Y" that on one end has 
the small black tube that leads into the firewall, and one going the other 
way to join other vac lines that travel to the other ide of the motor, this 
is all for system vacuum venting.


There should not tbe two small black lines going into the firewall, 
(usually anyway, up to 1984 models I'm sure) one of the small black lines 
should go to the transmission modulator.


It's possible you pulled that too, thus the rough shifting.  The large, 
hard plastic fixed line from the vac pump to the booster is the main supply 
for all the car's needed system vacuum, the most important being the brake 
booster.  All other vacuum taps off this.  The 1985 turbos have three 
additional vacuum system controls (and minus 2 others) not found on the 
pre-'85s. (US turbos)  The transmission modulator line should come off the 
blue vacuum valve control mounted by the driver hood hinge compartment.


How is the brown wire to the shuf-off valve I mentioned?  Sounds like you 
really need a hand vac pump to check for vacuum pump operation (in case of 
coincidental failure) fuel shut-off valve operation, and vacuum modulator 
pressure retention.  There really should be something obviously unplugged, 
unless you plugged up the lines wrong or the pump failed, since you now 
have two major symptoms.  On e can also check the ignition vac control 
operation from supply to fuel shut-off valve by applying the hand tester to 
the brown supply line off the main line (that goes into the firewall)  and 
checking the operation with the key in both positions.  (This avoids having 
to pull the kick panel)   To isolate the fuel shut off valve itself, simply 
hook your pump into that and test, which it's behavoir will indicate how 
sealed it is.


I hope that clairfies, there isn't much else I can say without messing 
around with the car myself.




Vince

www.club123d.org



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Subject: Re: [MBZ] vacume leak/no engine stop
Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 16:23:24 -0600

So there are 2 lines that go into the cabin? A small black line

http://www.pictureblogger.com/Mercedes/dscn0982

and this small black line is supposed to attach to that white thing on the 
IP?



And a larger black line that does the same thing but connects to a juction 
where several lines attache?


Sorry, Just want to be sure.

And if this is the case... why won't my car turn off?

Another thing I noticed at the same time was the trany is now shifting 
really hard. It never did this


This s an 85  123 with 80K miles




Jason







Jim Cathey wrote:

>>So we know what the larger black line is (clean air intake) but what is
>>the smaller black line?
>>
>>
>
>Vent line.  Bleeds off vacuum by sucking clean(er) cabin air.
>Not your problem, in other words.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

[Jim Cathey]

AS a quick and dirty - I don't want to put more time/money than
neccesary into it - move, you could try one of the head gasket sealing
products. That engine isn't very high compression is it? Might be
worth a shot, but I'd bet against it working.


10:1 compression, it's a for-LPG motor.  I'm thinking a few rounds
of head removal, etc. are called for first.  I could always shellac
up the old thicker head gasket and see what happens.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Where can I buy the best priced suspension spheres?

[Zeitgeist]

Many heartfelt expressions of sympathy are in order for your poor
beleagured daughter.  May she forgive you, in time.

On 1/1/06, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hoping to. Except "dump" will mean it becomes the daughter's college car.

Casey
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'87 300TD intercooler (211k)
'84 300D (207k)
Gashuffer:
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Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5

[JFreezn]

 
In a message dated 1/1/2006 3:31:04 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

How does  this look...those of you familiar with this model.
I emailed the dude and  he still has it. He says 
"Yes I do. I just happened to be answering emails  when yours came in. Here 
is some additional info for those FAQ's. The MB does  still have the original 
tranny and engine with only 106,797 miles. It still  has the original interior 
upholstery and exterior paint, also. The engine does  need some minor work but 
the main things are a fuel pump and ignition switch.  We have a couple of 
people very interested but we will not hold it, so, it is  still available to 
the 
first buyer. It really is a nice car. If you have any  more questions, please 
call me."

What do yous guys  think?



Bob,
 
It looks pretty nice and I like that cream yellow color.
 
They claim the 72-73s were the last hand built Mercedes.  Very stout  and 
safe as a vault.  The gearing was pretty low (3.69:1) and the engine  runs 
pretty 
fast so performance is good but mileage is affected and it would be  tough to 
get better than 15 town, 20 highway.  Make sure it has fuel  injection.  The 
low horsepower 280s had dual carbs that were not as  desirable.
 
I sure don't know if the turbocharger could be for real,  but stranger  
things have happpened.
 
I had a 65 Euro 300SE with a four speed stick that ran (and looked) like a  
gangster car.  Lot of fun to wing that big six up to 6 grand in the  gears!
 
Regards,  

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 261 K miles 
98 ML 320, 139 K  miles

Re: [MBZ] first car list of 06

[BillR]

That was the baby that stopped me from getting killed when a drunk tried to
force-feed a Camero to me.  Very good driving car.
BillR

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] first car list of 06

On 1/1/06, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/121851564.html  --  62 220sb  $150

Damn you Seattle for being so far away from Indianapolis!

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Re: [MBZ] Official CLub 123D Info

[V Layton]

No, but will TRY to download it and see it (computer allowing) when I get 
back from the store tonight.  I thought the Finns wern't allowed to mod 
thier cars due to regulations.  This is based on a segment of video (I am 
reviewing right as I type) of a Finnish immigrant named Antti Rahko, who 
retired in America to be allowed to mod his RV's.  OK they just said 
verbatum "In Finland most of the things are prohibited with cars, rebuilding 
cars, and where in the States most of the things are legal and not 
prohibited."   (He was a mechanical engineer, who doesn't speak English)


It's an interesting 5 minute segment about his Custom RV (complete with full 
working sauna trailer) and his monster crazy 300TDt, which is a tri-axle 
franken marvel made from two bodies, I'm sure someone had seen it.


Thanks for the tip.  I think Finland has a W123 club...



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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Official CLub 123D Info
Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 22:55:25 -0500

Vince, have you seen what those crazy Finns do to 123s?
For instance, if you take time to download this video,
you will see one with an OM606 (3.0L 24V diesel) lay
an incredible amount of rubber down before the driver
(rehtijii) figured out he couldn't just floor it from a
standing start. He did a 13.9 1/4 mile with less wheelspin
on his next run.
http://students.tukkk.fi/tuukka.simonen/Mersuvideot/quarter_mile_Finland_May_2005.wmv

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Re: [MBZ] More Grumman

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

WOW, thats cool.  That was one great show.

Mitch Haley wrote:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


The "Gold Monkey" airplane was a Goose and the Fantasy Island plane was a
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"De Plane" was up for auction on eBay a couple of years ago, IIRC many of
the guest stars had signed the seats. Anybody remember what it sold for?

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Re: [MBZ] 2 190D parts/project cars

[Zeitgeist]

YOU went to BJU?!?!?!?!?!?!

On 1/1/06, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> www.bju.edu 1970-1974

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Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5

[Hendrik Riessen]

Well, if this thing has a factory turbo motor I would suggest you get 
yourself down there with the dosh and don't haggle.

Factory M117 turboed motor. Wonder how much that is worth?
If it is factory, don't run the motor just get it trailered back to your 
place.


Hendrik

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5



So this has a turbo?
Is this dude a Craigslist crack smoker?
Is this someting to run from?

I love gleaning knowledge from all y'all.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 146K
Litchfield Park, AZ


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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5



Mercedes did turbocharge the 117 4.5 litre engine - in the C111, and
set several world records with it. They did this after setting all
those DIesel records with the turbo'd 617, and after porche stole a
record from them. Got it back with the C111/117.

On 1/1/06, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Turbocharger?

Not a chance, unless someone has swapped in a 617 turbodiesel instead
of the V8.


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Re: [MBZ] [Banned] Wet yourself cool!!!!

[Hendrik Riessen]

Maybe he is using the vergasser as a test bed to build a proper engine:-)
One running on nitro that is:-):-)

Hendrik

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Talk about a PROJECT! That engine is complicated! However, it is a
spark vergasser, even though he modeled it from a Diesel -- heresy!

On 1/1/06, M. Mitchell Marmel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

At 5:27 PM -0800 1/1/06, redghost wrote:
>http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/Tomlinson.htm

Nce.  :9

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Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5

[Hendrik Riessen]

Apparently the factory did not think the 4.5 went fast enough, hence the 
6.3.
Now lets try putting a turbo on a M100 and then making it fitinto a 
truck maybe:-)


Hendrik

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5



May be, but NOT in a W108 chassis!  There's barely room for the
exhaust, let alone turbo piping, and it goes fast enough as it is -- I
have one.

The 617 swap was fairly common in Germany -- reduced the taxed
considerably and didn't take too much off performance.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5

[Hendrik Riessen]

According to a pretty reliable source ALL (sorry Marshall couldn't resist) 
Mercedes V8 engines came with fuel injection.


Hendrik
with no V8's :-(

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5




Bob,

It looks pretty nice and I like that cream yellow color.

They claim the 72-73s were the last hand built Mercedes.  Very stout  and
safe as a vault.  The gearing was pretty low (3.69:1) and the engine  runs 
pretty
fast so performance is good but mileage is affected and it would be  tough 
to
get better than 15 town, 20 highway.  Make sure it has fuel  injection. 
The

low horsepower 280s had dual carbs that were not as  desirable.

I sure don't know if the turbocharger could be for real,  but stranger
things have happpened.

I had a 65 Euro 300SE with a four speed stick that ran (and looked) like a
gangster car.  Lot of fun to wing that big six up to 6 grand in the 
gears!


Regards,

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 261 K miles
98 ML 320, 139 K  miles

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Re: [MBZ] Official CLub 123D Info

[Mitch Haley]

V Layton wrote:
> 
> No, but will TRY to download it and see it (computer allowing) when I get
> back from the store tonight.  I thought the Finns wern't allowed to mod
> thier cars due to regulations.  

I always thought they could not install an engine with a higher
(from the factory) power rating. (but that can't be right, I've seen
200d with OM606 under the hood, that's about double the facrory power)
Maybe nobody pays attention to diesel swaps yet? 
I'm thinking that once an engine is allowed in a car, what the government
doesn't know can't hurt the hot-rodder. Just turn the externally adjustable
full load screw down to stock when you take it in for inspection. 
BTW, I should have warned you the video is 40mb. Plan on 2-4 hour download
if you are on dial-up.

Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5

[Hendrik Riessen]

When I said get under the car I actually meant get down next to it with a 
torch and check the underside (getting under a car without it being properly 
secured is dangerous and dumb).

Might want to take a water proof mat or tarp to lie down on.
Also I take it for that sort of money there are not too many documents that 
go with the car?
I also would try and get the seller on the phone and promise to you, that it 
is not a rust heap. Sucks driving half way across town to look at rust:-(


Hendrik
who hates rust in all shapes and forms

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Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5



Check for rust.
If it has a aftermarket turbo fitted, I would pass. MB never turboed those
engines, hmmmnh wonder why?
Did I mention to check for rust?
If it is in good condition without a turbo then it is worth the money as
these cars have pretty much reached value bottom and are only going to go
up. The 4.5 is also desirable because it puts out a fair bit of grunt
without the bigger maintenance costs of the 6.3. Do you know anything 
about

the D-jetronic fuel injection system? I take it from what the seller wrote
that it is not running or running very badly.
Make sure you get under the car and check for rust.

Hendrik

Re: [MBZ] Transm. Modulator

[Hans Neureiter]

Something strange here. My '82 SD has a 722.2xx in it but is turbo charged.
Modulator is green.

On 1/1/06, V Layton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The technical transmission series numbers aren't my best subject, (very
> complicated, little data access) but I always understood the red were for
> 1980-1985 non turbo diesel automatic cars, the 722.2xx trans, and the
> green
> were for the 1981-1985 722.3xx transmissions for the turbo 300 diesels,
> and
> a black one was used in the 722.4 transmissons, which made it into some of
> the 1985 300 turbo diesels.  This information is only considerate of US
> market W123s, I don't know what variences and similaries exist for the
> 1978-1985 300SD, but I think largely the same rules would apply.
>
> Vince
>
>
> >From: Hans Neureiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >To: Diesel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: [MBZ] Transm. Modulator
> >Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 08:38:04 -0600
> >
> >What is the difference between a red and a green modulator on a
> >722.203tranny ?
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Re: [MBZ] Transm. Modulator

[Hans Neureiter]

Take that back. I clicked on the wrong button (Send instead of Discard).
My '82 300SD has the 722.3xx and green modulator.
I bought a 722.3xx tranny out of an '84 300SD and it has the red modulator.


On 1/2/06, Hans Neureiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Something strange here. My '82 SD has a 722.2xx in it but is turbo
> charged. Modulator is green.
>
> On 1/1/06, V Layton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > The technical transmission series numbers aren't my best subject, (very
> > complicated, little data access) but I always understood the red were
> > for
> > 1980-1985 non turbo diesel automatic cars, the 722.2xx trans, and the
> > green
> > were for the 1981-1985 722.3xx transmissions for the turbo 300 diesels,
> > and
> > a black one was used in the 722.4 transmissons, which made it into some
> > of
> > the 1985 300 turbo diesels.  This information is only considerate of US
> > market W123s, I don't know what variences and similaries exist for the
> > 1978-1985 300SD, but I think largely the same rules would apply.
> >
> > Vince
> >
> >
> > >From: Hans Neureiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> > >To: Diesel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Subject: [MBZ] Transm. Modulator
> > >Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 08:38:04 -0600
> > >
> > >What is the difference between a red and a green modulator on a
> > >722.203tranny ?
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5

[l02turner]

Hi Bob,
I owned one of these as well as a couple of other W108s - but not one with a 
turbo.  A properly tuned 4.5 in a W108 will chirp the tires going from 2nd 
to 3rd - at least mine would.  Also, when properly tuned it would get 14 or 
15 mpg's - could never get better than that - and used only premium. 
Depending on the professionalism of the turbo install I'd be strongly 
tempted to pass on this.  If there's any hint of backyard mechanic work, it 
can be a major headache trying to get things to run properly.


The W108 models are awesome cars (I'd love to have another)  - but it 
attracts rust like poop attracts flies.  Check the front bumper supports - 
which also supports the radiator for rust.  Also, check the lower fenders 
and the rockers as well as all floors - especially the rear floors as the 
rear windshield can leak and pool in the rear floors.


Also check the elect window mechanisms, door locks, turn signal switch and 
check the AT very carefully as it's not cheap to have worked on depending on 
the problem.


The AT should shift firmly (some say harshly) but should not slip.  That 
much torque will cause a slipping AT to overheat quickly - causing damage to 
the bands.  And the tires will break loose easily because of the high engine 
power!


Good luck -

Sincerely,
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From: "Bob Rentfro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 5:28 PM
Subject: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5



http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/120224368.html

How does this look...those of you familiar with this model.
I emailed the dude and he still has it. He says
"Yes I do. I just happened to be answering emails when yours came in. Here 
is some additional info for those FAQ's. The MB does still have the 
original tranny and engine with only 106,797 miles. It still has the 
original interior upholstery and exterior paint, also. The engine does 
need some minor work but the main things are a fuel pump and ignition 
switch. We have a couple of people very interested but we will not hold 
it, so, it is still available to the first buyer. It really is a nice car. 
If you have any more questions, please call me."


What do yous guys think?

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 146K
Litchfield Park, AZ
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Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yea, they all did.

Hendrik Riessen wrote:

According to a pretty reliable source ALL (sorry Marshall couldn't resist) 
Mercedes V8 engines came with fuel injection.


Hendrik
with no V8's :-(


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Re: [MBZ] Transm. Modulator

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

all the turbo trans that I have seen  have a green one as well.

Hans Neureiter wrote:


Something strange here. My '82 SD has a 722.2xx in it but is turbo charged.
Modulator is green.




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Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5

[l02turner]

you wrote:>


The 6.3 300SEL was the 1st real supercar - it was the one salesmen would put 
a $100 bill on the dash and tell the potential buyer if he could grab it 
while the driver accelerated to 100 mph he could have it.  I'm told the $100 
bill lasted a long time. Even though it was a heavy car the torque from the 
engine made for some dramatic acceleration times!


Of course, the air suspension has failed on almost alll the old 300SELs by 
now - and if not, it's a $6000 repair bill to replace/repair the air bags, 
etc.


They're incredible cars though --

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From: "Hendrik Riessen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 4:48 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5



Apparently the factory did not think the 4.5 went fast enough, hence the
6.3.
Now lets try putting a turbo on a M100 and then making it fitinto 
a

truck maybe:-)

Hendrik

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From: "Peter Frederick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5



May be, but NOT in a W108 chassis!  There's barely room for the
exhaust, let alone turbo piping, and it goes fast enough as it is -- I
have one.

The 617 swap was fairly common in Germany -- reduced the taxed
considerably and didn't take too much off performance.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] Transm. Modulator

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

oh the later ones have red, OK.

Hans Neureiter wrote:


Take that back. I clicked on the wrong button (Send instead of Discard).
My '82 300SD has the 722.3xx and green modulator.
I bought a 722.3xx tranny out of an '84 300SD and it has the red modulator.








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Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5

[Lee Levitt]

My high school girlfriend's father had one of these cars. I have a *lot* of
fond memories from that car, some of them involving actual driving. :)

Between that and the fact that I learned to drive on a 240D, I guess it was
fate that I would own an MB someday...

Lee
'93 300D 2.5 181K

Re: [MBZ] new years day project

[Lee Levitt]

So despite the ever growing Honey-Do list, I scooted off to the garage
yesterday and swapped out the gizmo that locks/unlocks the trunk. The
plastic connector that grabs the arm leading to the lock had broken and the
trunk would not lock/unlock with the rest of the locks.

After an hour of cussing, fighting, wriggling, etc, I got the replacement
part installed and hooked up.

What a PITA. I think they built the car around that part...it was a bitch to
R&R.

I'm still not sure I got it right as the car will not unlock from the trunk,
but that's not a big deal. The trunk locks/unlocks with the other buttons...

Not bad for a $20 investment (used part) and an hour of time.

Now to get back to the Honey-Do list before she notices...

Lee
'93 300D 2.5 181K

Re: [MBZ] Transm. Modulator

[V Layton]

According to data I have, the green modulator was used in the 300SD and SDL 
cars with the 617 and 603 motors, and the red was fitted to W126 with the 
350SDL (1989-1991) OM603 motor, so perhaps the trans isn't ORIGINALLY from a 
1984?  Little help, but this is what I understand is the case with the W126 
diesels.


Vince
(who claims to know several more W123 facts than W126 facts)


From: Hans Neureiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Transm. Modulator
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:21:22 -0600

Take that back. I clicked on the wrong button (Send instead of Discard).
My '82 300SD has the 722.3xx and green modulator.
I bought a 722.3xx tranny out of an '84 300SD and it has the red modulator.


On 1/2/06, Hans Neureiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Something strange here. My '82 SD has a 722.2xx in it but is turbo
> charged. Modulator is green.
>


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Re: [MBZ] Official CLub 123D Info

[V Layton]

Europe tends to have higher regs and more taxes for older cars, which makes 
me glad to be a car enthusiast guy here.  Cool video, Finns having fun 
definately.  I think it's neat there is an apparent USA car enthusiasm 
group, odd to realize Chevys and such are "exoctic" to them, but very cool.


Did I really see that W201 diesel beat that Vette?  THAT'S somethin'!

A W123 in motion is always a sweet sight to me, but seeing one kick out on 
dry pavement with that kind of power is admittedly extra delicious!


Thanks again for pointing that out to me.

Vince



From: Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Official CLub 123D Info
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 02:59:28 -0500

V Layton wrote:
>
> No, but will TRY to download it and see it (computer allowing) when I 
get

> back from the store tonight.  I thought the Finns wern't allowed to mod
> thier cars due to regulations.

I always thought they could not install an engine with a higher
(from the factory) power rating. (but that can't be right, I've seen
200d with OM606 under the hood, that's about double the facrory power)
Maybe nobody pays attention to diesel swaps yet?
I'm thinking that once an engine is allowed in a car, what the government
doesn't know can't hurt the hot-rodder. Just turn the externally adjustable
full load screw down to stock when you take it in for inspection.
BTW, I should have warned you the video is 40mb. Plan on 2-4 hour download
if you are on dial-up.

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Re: [MBZ] Transm. Modulator

[Hans Neureiter]

Thank you all. I'll know more when I pick up the thing.
The claim was that this tranny fits both 123's and 126's. After asking, I
was told it came out of an '84 126. with ~90k miles.
My couriosity was mainly what makes the difference between these colors.
Must be the calibration of the hydraulic pressure, which is particular to
tranny models.
If I understand this correct, I better leave the modulator installed where
it is.


On 1/2/06, V Layton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> According to data I have, the green modulator was used in the 300SD and
> SDL
> cars with the 617 and 603 motors, and the red was fitted to W126 with the
> 350SDL (1989-1991) OM603 motor, so perhaps the trans isn't ORIGINALLY from
> a
> 1984?  Little help, but this is what I understand is the case with the
> W126
> diesels.
>
> Vince
> (who claims to know several more W123 facts than W126 facts)
>
> >From: Hans Neureiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: [MBZ] Transm. Modulator
> >Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:21:22 -0600
> >
> >Take that back. I clicked on the wrong button (Send instead of Discard).
> >My '82 300SD has the 722.3xx and green modulator.
> >I bought a 722.3xx tranny out of an '84 300SD and it has the red
> modulator.
> >
> >
> >On 1/2/06, Hans Neureiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Something strange here. My '82 SD has a 722.2xx in it but is turbo
> > > charged. Modulator is green.
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Official CLub 123D Info

[Hans Neureiter]

Think about this. In Germany there are no Junkyards. Older cars that do not
pass the inspection (TUeV), which includes body, suspension, oil
leaks and emissions, and can not repaired at reasonable cost are being
scrapped, I mean shredded, and the owner pays a fee.

On 1/2/06, V Layton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Europe tends to have higher regs and more taxes for older cars, which
> makes
> me glad to be a car enthusiast guy here.  Cool video, Finns having fun
> definately.  I think it's neat there is an apparent USA car enthusiasm
> group, odd to realize Chevys and such are "exoctic" to them, but very
> cool.
>
> Did I really see that W201 diesel beat that Vette?  THAT'S somethin'!
>
> A W123 in motion is always a sweet sight to me, but seeing one kick out on
> dry pavement with that kind of power is admittedly extra delicious!
>
> Thanks again for pointing that out to me.
>
> Vince
>
>
> >From: Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: [MBZ] Official CLub 123D Info
> >Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 02:59:28 -0500
> >
> >V Layton wrote:
> > >
> > > No, but will TRY to download it and see it (computer allowing) when I
> >get
> > > back from the store tonight.  I thought the Finns wern't allowed to
> mod
> > > thier cars due to regulations.
> >
> >I always thought they could not install an engine with a higher
> >(from the factory) power rating. (but that can't be right, I've seen
> >200d with OM606 under the hood, that's about double the facrory power)
> >Maybe nobody pays attention to diesel swaps yet?
> >I'm thinking that once an engine is allowed in a car, what the government
> >doesn't know can't hurt the hot-rodder. Just turn the externally
> adjustable
> >full load screw down to stock when you take it in for inspection.
> >BTW, I should have warned you the video is 40mb. Plan on 2-4 hour
> download
> >if you are on dial-up.
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Re: [MBZ] new years day project

[Jim Cathey]

I'm still not sure I got it right as the car will not unlock from the 
trunk,
but that's not a big deal. The trunk locks/unlocks with the other 
buttons...


I think you got the adjusted length wrong on the arm that threads
into the pod.  It's the switch _inside_ the pod that drives the
locking pump, so if the key doesn't quite push it in far enough
it won't trip the works.  Bummer.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] new years day project

[Lee Levitt]

Jim writes:


> I wrote: 
> > I'm still not sure I got it right as the car will not 
> unlock from the 
> > trunk, but that's not a big deal. The trunk locks/unlocks with the 
> > other buttons...
> 
> I think you got the adjusted length wrong on the arm that 
> threads into the pod.  It's the switch _inside_ the pod that 
> drives the locking pump, so if the key doesn't quite push it 
> in far enough it won't trip the works.  Bummer.

Probably. I could not figure out how to connect the arm to the pod. If I did
it with the pod outside of the sheetmetal, I couldn't figure out how to get
the pod back in. And I couldn't figure out how to disconnect the arm from
the lock. So I ended up forcing the arm into the receiver.

Any thoughts on the *correct* procedure?

It's a *dumb* design. If MB had used a connector and *two* threaded pieces,
life would be good. In fact, I'm tempted to cut down the arm and install my
own threaded piece and connector...now where to find a threaded connector of
the right size...

Thanks!

Lee

Re: [MBZ] new years day project

[Hans Neureiter]

I am just guessing, but maybe the lock has to come out.
My thinking approach to these puzzles is always that someone in the assembly
plant puts these things together. Not smarter and more skillfull than us,
but knowing how.


On 1/2/06, Lee Levitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Jim writes:
>
>
> > I wrote:
> > > I'm still not sure I got it right as the car will not
> > unlock from the
> > > trunk, but that's not a big deal. The trunk locks/unlocks with the
> > > other buttons...
> >
> > I think you got the adjusted length wrong on the arm that
> > threads into the pod.  It's the switch _inside_ the pod that
> > drives the locking pump, so if the key doesn't quite push it
> > in far enough it won't trip the works.  Bummer.
>
> Probably. I could not figure out how to connect the arm to the pod. If I
> did
> it with the pod outside of the sheetmetal, I couldn't figure out how to
> get
> the pod back in. And I couldn't figure out how to disconnect the arm from
> the lock. So I ended up forcing the arm into the receiver.
>
> Any thoughts on the *correct* procedure?
>
> It's a *dumb* design. If MB had used a connector and *two* threaded
> pieces,
> life would be good. In fact, I'm tempted to cut down the arm and install
> my
> own threaded piece and connector...now where to find a threaded connector
> of
> the right size...
>
> Thanks!
>
> Lee
>
>
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[MBZ] Remote Locks on 300SDL

[Peter Arnold]

I'd kind of like to install Remote locks on my car.  My failing memory
prods me that one of our listers did just that.  I believe it was
uncomplicated using trunk access to the sucking motor and bypassing
the HE-HAW alarm system.

Thoughts?

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Windsor, Connecticut
U.S.A.

1987 Mercedes 300SDL, 234 Kmi on Delvac1, changes when f-soot is 2%

1995 Ford F-250 W/PSD, 192 Kmi on Rotella @ 5 Kmi Changes

2002 PT Cruizer, 77 Kmi, Every 5 Kmi with what's on sale

1954 Metropolitan {My Hanger-Queen}

None use oil between changes, go figure ;-)

Re: [MBZ] new years day project

[Hans Neureiter]

This is the procedure per FSM:
Door/Trunk lining> remove
Sliding sleeve>Push back
Control rod> Push out
Screws? loosen
Actuator> disconnect
Tension unloading lever> Push away
Electric cable, pneumatic pipe> Remove

Bring actuator in install position>
Push sliding sleeve fully back and pull control rod attachment out until it
engages.
On actuator for the trunk lid lock push control rod fully away from the
element
Installation> reverse order



On 1/2/06, Hans Neureiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I am just guessing, but maybe the lock has to come out.
> My thinking approach to these puzzles is always that someone in the
> assembly plant puts these things together. Not smarter and more skillfull
> than us, but knowing how.
>
>
>  On 1/2/06, Lee Levitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Jim writes:
> >
> >
> > > I wrote:
> > > > I'm still not sure I got it right as the car will not
> > > unlock from the
> > > > trunk, but that's not a big deal. The trunk locks/unlocks with the
> > > > other buttons...
> > >
> > > I think you got the adjusted length wrong on the arm that
> > > threads into the pod.  It's the switch _inside_ the pod that
> > > drives the locking pump, so if the key doesn't quite push it
> > > in far enough it won't trip the works.  Bummer.
> >
> > Probably. I could not figure out how to connect the arm to the pod. If I
> > did
> > it with the pod outside of the sheetmetal, I couldn't figure out how to
> > get
> > the pod back in. And I couldn't figure out how to disconnect the arm
> > from
> > the lock. So I ended up forcing the arm into the receiver.
> >
> > Any thoughts on the *correct* procedure?
> >
> > It's a *dumb* design. If MB had used a connector and *two* threaded
> > pieces,
> > life would be good. In fact, I'm tempted to cut down the arm and install
> > my
> > own threaded piece and connector...now where to find a threaded
> > connector of
> > the right size...
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Lee
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] new years day project

[Lee Levitt]

Yep, this is pretty much what I did. The actuator and the control rod are
threaded, and it's unclear whether they're simply supposed to be forced
together or whether you're supposed to spin one to thread the rod into the
actuator.
 
I think this is one of those BTDTs. Anybody? Buehler?
 
Lee


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Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 11:58 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] new years day project


This is the procedure per FSM:
Door/Trunk lining> remove
Sliding sleeve>Push back
Control rod> Push out
Screws? loosen
Actuator> disconnect
Tension unloading lever> Push away
Electric cable, pneumatic pipe> Remove
 
Bring actuator in install position>
Push sliding sleeve fully back and pull control rod attachment out until it
engages.
On actuator for the trunk lid lock push control rod fully away from the
element
Installation> reverse order
 

 
On 1/2/06, Hans Neureiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

I am just guessing, but maybe the lock has to come out.
My thinking approach to these puzzles is always that someone in the assembly
plant puts these things together. Not smarter and more skillfull than us,
but knowing how.

 

On 1/2/06, Lee Levitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

Jim writes:


> I wrote:
> > I'm still not sure I got it right as the car will not
> unlock from the
> > trunk, but that's not a big deal. The trunk locks/unlocks with the
> > other buttons...
>
> I think you got the adjusted length wrong on the arm that
> threads into the pod.  It's the switch _inside_ the pod that 
> drives the locking pump, so if the key doesn't quite push it
> in far enough it won't trip the works.  Bummer.

Probably. I could not figure out how to connect the arm to the pod. If I did
it with the pod outside of the sheetmetal, I couldn't figure out how to get 
the pod back in. And I couldn't figure out how to disconnect the arm from
the lock. So I ended up forcing the arm into the receiver.

Any thoughts on the *correct* procedure?

It's a *dumb* design. If MB had used a connector and *two* threaded pieces, 
life would be good. In fact, I'm tempted to cut down the arm and install my
own threaded piece and connector...now where to find a threaded connector of
the right size...

Thanks!

Lee


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[MBZ] used tranny question

[Hans Neureiter]

I am going to pick my newly aquired $ 300 tranny up.
Is there something I should know to look for?

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'82 300SD, '95 E300D

Re: [MBZ] Transm. Modulator

[Marshall Booth]

V Layton wrote:
According to data I have, the green modulator was used in the 300SD and 
SDL cars with the 617 and 603 motors, and the red was fitted to W126 
with the 350SDL (1989-1991) OM603 motor, so perhaps the trans isn't 
ORIGINALLY from a 1984?  Little help, but this is what I understand is 
the case with the W126 diesels.


Vince
(who claims to know several more W123 facts than W126 facts)


The original modulators from early 772.3 transmissions were rather crude 
and were revised in the mid/late 80s to smooth out the rather harsh 
shifting (especially when cold). The color was changed. There may have 
been other revisions as well. I have seen a listing of the various 
modulators and their color codes somewhere, but I can't find it now.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] the warp drive mystery

[Curt Raymond]

Yeah well, just be glad the filter isn't plugged, it can get ALOT worse, and 
you could be really late and trying to hurry, and traffic could be very heavy 
and it could be real hot and...
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 01:00:15 +
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AS 240D with a new filter isn't much better! I know, I just got back 
from a
60 mile round trip in mine.

I think it is just about time for an S-Class diesel.

On 1/1/06, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> A 240D with a bad filter is a DRAG.
>
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Perhaps those Finnish cars are not being licensed and driven on the
streets - just old runwyas, race tracks, etc.

On 1/2/06, Hans Neureiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Think about this. In Germany there are no Junkyards. Older cars that do n=
ot
> pass the inspection (TUeV), which includes body, suspension, oil
> leaks and emissions, and can not repaired at reasonable cost are being
> scrapped, I mean shredded, and the owner pays a fee.
>
> On 1/2/06, V Layton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Europe tends to have higher regs and more taxes for older cars, which
> > makes
> > me glad to be a car enthusiast guy here.  Cool video, Finns having fun
> > definately.  I think it's neat there is an apparent USA car enthusiasm
> > group, odd to realize Chevys and such are "exoctic" to them, but very
> > cool.
> >
> > Did I really see that W201 diesel beat that Vette?  THAT'S somethin'!
> >
> > A W123 in motion is always a sweet sight to me, but seeing one kick out=
 on
> > dry pavement with that kind of power is admittedly extra delicious!

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Re: [MBZ] Remote Locks on 300SDL

[OK Don]

Mine came with a DEI Viper RPN471T system installed when I got it. It
has remote locks and start. I haven't figured out what sets the
glowing time, but it's too short for a cold start.

I don't remember who it was who recently installed one, but I remember
all he had to do was follow the instructions.

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> uncomplicated using trunk access to the sucking motor and bypassing
> the HE-HAW alarm system.
>
> Thoughts?
>

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Re: [MBZ] Where can I buy the best priced suspension spheres?

[Gary Hurst]

they shock me too, more than you can imagine.

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> On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 17:07:16 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
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> > Most people here though buy from Rusty since he is the cheapest and has
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> And that's a killer combination!
>
> I showed Rusty's prices to my Indy in Austin, TX, while I was there and he
> was rather shocked that someone would be selling at prices so low.
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Re: [MBZ] euro 124D

[Alex Chamberlain]

Steel wheels with plastic wheelcovers, too, I think.  Never seen any like that.

And manual climate control.

That aftermarket sunroof is atrocious.  Still, if it had a stick
instead of the AT, I'd buy it.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo

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> yep
>
> LT Don wrote:
>
> > Are those cloth seats?
> >
> > On 12/31/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-200-Series-1988-MERCEDES-250D-5-CYLINDER-DIESEL-SUPER-CLEAN-133K_W0QQitemZ4599658000QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Re: [MBZ] Transm. Modulator

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I think I posted before about this. Yes if its out of a 126 it will work 
in a 123 as long as you swap out the tail section.


Hans Neureiter wrote:


Thank you all. I'll know more when I pick up the thing.
The claim was that this tranny fits both 123's and 126's. After asking, I
was told it came out of an '84 126. with ~90k miles.
My couriosity was mainly what makes the difference between these colors.
Must be the calibration of the hydraulic pressure, which is particular to
tranny models.
If I understand this correct, I better leave the modulator installed where
it is.


On 1/2/06, V Layton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


According to data I have, the green modulator was used in the 300SD and
SDL
cars with the 617 and 603 motors, and the red was fitted to W126 with the
350SDL (1989-1991) OM603 motor, so perhaps the trans isn't ORIGINALLY from
a
1984?  Little help, but this is what I understand is the case with the
W126
diesels.

Vince
(who claims to know several more W123 facts than W126 facts)



From: Hans Neureiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Transm. Modulator
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:21:22 -0600

Take that back. I clicked on the wrong button (Send instead of Discard).
My '82 300SD has the 722.3xx and green modulator.
I bought a 722.3xx tranny out of an '84 300SD and it has the red


modulator.



On 1/2/06, Hans Neureiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Something strange here. My '82 SD has a 722.2xx in it but is turbo
charged. Modulator is green.



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Re: [MBZ] Official CLub 123D Info

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

can you imagine all the cool euro parts that are just thrown away over 
there all the time.  There is probably some money in shipping container 
loads of cars/parts over here for resale.


Hans Neureiter wrote:


Think about this. In Germany there are no Junkyards. Older cars that do not
pass the inspection (TUeV), which includes body, suspension, oil
leaks and emissions, and can not repaired at reasonable cost are being
scrapped, I mean shredded, and the owner pays a fee.



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Re: [MBZ] used tranny question

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

what do you mean?  Is there any way to tell if its good short of 
installing it?  No.  Not unless you just go ahead and tear it down and 
inspect the clutches etc.


Hans Neureiter wrote:


I am going to pick my newly aquired $ 300 tranny up.
Is there something I should know to look for?

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Re: [MBZ] Remote Locks on 300SDL

[Jim Cathey]

I'd kind of like to install Remote locks on my car.  My failing memory
prods me that one of our listers did just that.  I believe it was
uncomplicated using trunk access to the sucking motor and bypassing
the HE-HAW alarm system.


No bypassing of anything is needed.  I've done this on my SDL,
and on one of our SL's.  I don't see why it wouldn't be just as
easy on any electric-pump equipped MB from the 80's until they
changed the system (assuming they did).

http://cathey.dogear.com/SDLkeyless.html

The factory alarm will continue to work as well (or as ill)
as it did before the keyless system is added.  Ours work
just fine.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] used tranny question

[Tom Hargrave]

I agree with Kaleb.

The clutches are wear items and just like brake pads and you can't tell
their condition until the last bit of friction material breaks through and
you start slipping. Because of this, I've never bought a used transmission -
I've always had then rebuilt. But I also drive 50,000 + miles / year and I
rally can't take a change on a used transmission.

Engines are another story. You can tell a lot with a wet / dry compression
test.

Thanks,
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what do you mean?  Is there any way to tell if its good short of installing
it?  No.  Not unless you just go ahead and tear it down and inspect the
clutches etc.

Hans Neureiter wrote:

> I am going to pick my newly aquired $ 300 tranny up.
> Is there something I should know to look for?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] first car list of 06

[redghost]

I looked at going down and fetching that one.  Pretty car and cheap 
too.  Told a buddy as a joke not to have it show up on my doorstep.  I 
fear he may not obey


On Sunday, January 1, 2006, at 07:18 PM, Ed Booher wrote:


On 1/1/06, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/121851564.html  --  62 220sb  $150


Damn you Seattle for being so far away from Indianapolis!

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Re: [MBZ] vacume leak/no engine stop

[redghost]

I am liking having Vince here.  He is full of information that is good 
to know and has almost no bearing on Gump.  So really esoteric for my 
uses


On Sunday, January 1, 2006, at 07:32 PM, V Layton wrote:

First, let me say the 1985s are the most complicated and vacuum 
(emmssion) control laden of all the W123 diesels, and I don't know 
precisely how everything works exactly, but-


The photo (63) -the red circeld bit should have a "Y" that on one end 
has the small black tube that leads into the firewall, and one going 
the other way to join other vac lines that travel to the other ide of 
the motor, this is all for system vacuum venting.


There should not tbe two small black lines going into the firewall, 
(usually anyway, up to 1984 models I'm sure) one of the small black 
lines should go to the transmission modulator.


It's possible you pulled that too, thus the rough shifting.  The 
large, hard plastic fixed line from the vac pump to the booster is the 
main supply for all the car's needed system vacuum, the most important 
being the brake booster.  All other vacuum taps off this.  The 1985 
turbos have three additional vacuum system controls (and minus 2 
others) not found on the pre-'85s. (US turbos)  The transmission 
modulator line should come off the blue vacuum valve control mounted 
by the driver hood hinge compartment.


How is the brown wire to the shuf-off valve I mentioned?  Sounds like 
you really need a hand vac pump to check for vacuum pump operation (in 
case of coincidental failure) fuel shut-off valve operation, and 
vacuum modulator pressure retention.  There really should be something 
obviously unplugged, unless you plugged up the lines wrong or the pump 
failed, since you now have two major symptoms.  On e can also check 
the ignition vac control operation from supply to fuel shut-off valve 
by applying the hand tester to the brown supply line off the main line 
(that goes into the firewall)  and checking the operation with the key 
in both positions.  (This avoids having to pull the kick panel)   To 
isolate the fuel shut off valve itself, simply hook your pump into 
that and test, which it's behavoir will indicate how sealed it is.


I hope that clairfies, there isn't much else I can say without messing 
around with the car myself.




Vince

www.club123d.org



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Subject: Re: [MBZ] vacume leak/no engine stop
Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 16:23:24 -0600

So there are 2 lines that go into the cabin? A small black line

http://www.pictureblogger.com/Mercedes/dscn0982

and this small black line is supposed to attach to that white thing 
on the IP?



And a larger black line that does the same thing but connects to a 
juction where several lines attache?


Sorry, Just want to be sure.

And if this is the case... why won't my car turn off?

Another thing I noticed at the same time was the trany is now 
shifting really hard. It never did this


This s an 85  123 with 80K miles




Jason







Jim Cathey wrote:

>>So we know what the larger black line is (clean air intake) but 
what is

>>the smaller black line?
>>
>>
>
>Vent line.  Bleeds off vacuum by sucking clean(er) cabin air.
>Not your problem, in other words.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Transm. Modulator

[V Layton]

The original modulators from early 772.3 transmissions were rather crude
and were revised in the mid/late 80s to smooth out the rather harsh
shifting (especially when cold). The color was changed. There may have
been other revisions as well. I have seen a listing of the various
modulators and their color codes somewhere, but I can't find it now.

Marshall
--




If and when you do, I'd really like to see/have that information.  Thank 
you.


PS- I got my steering box set screw for locking the steering box during an 
alignment, but can't figure how to use the thing on W123 power steering 
boxes.  I can only find one lone bolt possibility on the underside, but 
haven't messed with it as I didn't feel like taking an unecessary ATF bath-  
Is this the bolt I remove to use the set screw, or where and how?  I of 
course get great results with just the spreader bar, but I'm trying to 
pursue the top quality alignment.   The shop discs cite the section on front 
wheel angle alignment, but those files are missing from the disc (and not 
the only ones, rather annoying)  Anyone have that data, or is this something 
Ill have use Star Tex info for?  Would they even have the info?  I guess 
I'll have to invest in a day's access...


Thanks-

very carefully and intentionally signed...

Vince



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To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Transm. Modulator
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:38:01 -0500





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Re: [MBZ] used tranny question

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

With trannies, when I get a car in that I have been able to drive and 
verify, then I can call the tranny good for future use.  IF not, its 
sort of a risk.


Tom Hargrave wrote:


I agree with Kaleb.

The clutches are wear items and just like brake pads and you can't tell
their condition until the last bit of friction material breaks through and
you start slipping. Because of this, I've never bought a used transmission -
I've always had then rebuilt. But I also drive 50,000 + miles / year and I
rally can't take a change on a used transmission.

Engines are another story. You can tell a lot with a wet / dry compression
test.

Thanks,
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] used tranny question

what do you mean?  Is there any way to tell if its good short of installing
it?  No.  Not unless you just go ahead and tear it down and inspect the
clutches etc.

Hans Neureiter wrote:



I am going to pick my newly aquired $ 300 tranny up.
Is there something I should know to look for?

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Re: [MBZ] Official CLub 123D Info

[V Layton]

A very good observation, although a sickening thought!  Perhaps the Nigerian 
W123 company could set up an honest business utilizing that!  Surely someone 
is clever enough to market that stuff, especailly euro lenses, bumpers and 
special body parts like front air dams and stuff.  I guess that's what 
seperates the car collector from regular uncaring for car people...  I wish 
I had money, I'd take trips to the euro pick and pulls if I could!  (I'd 
need to hire ship for all the decent restorable W123 orphans too!)


Oh what? Hey, I wasn't day-dreaming

Vince



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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Official CLub 123D Info
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:25:33 -0600

can you imagine all the cool euro parts that are just thrown away over
there all the time.  There is probably some money in shipping container
loads of cars/parts over here for resale.

Hans Neureiter wrote:

> Think about this. In Germany there are no Junkyards. Older cars that do 
not

> pass the inspection (TUeV), which includes body, suspension, oil
> leaks and emissions, and can not repaired at reasonable cost are being
> scrapped, I mean shredded, and the owner pays a fee.
>

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Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
  89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
  84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
  76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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