Re: [MBZ] A/C problem on 126

2006-06-22 Thread Doug Quance
I would be surprised if the vacuum had anything to do with the A/C 
blowing warm, it is most likely only used for the diverter flaps.
What I suspect may be happening is that when you floor the accelerator 
it operates a switch to disconnect the compressor, thereby giving you 
full  power.

My 87 300TDT works that way.

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Re: [MBZ] A/C problem on 126

2006-06-22 Thread John Berryman


On Jun 21, 2006, at 4:03 PM, Donald Snook wrote:


 The only time I have noticed this phenomenon was climbing
the hills.  It worked great on flat runs.  Any thoughts?



	There are safeguards that cut the AC out when temp is too high,  
pressure drops or engine is at very high revs. Did you observe the  
gauges? Was the tranny kicked-down?


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am



[MBZ] 300SDL Tire Size

2006-06-22 Thread Tarek Elshenawy
Hello all. I am going to put a new set of shoes on my 300SDL. I know the
manufacturer specifies 205/65 R15, but I was thinking of going up to 215/65
R15. Any advice on doing this? Thanks.

Tarek





Re: [MBZ] 300SDL Tire Size

2006-06-22 Thread Marshall Booth

Tarek Elshenawy wrote:

Hello all. I am going to put a new set of shoes on my 300SDL. I know the
manufacturer specifies 205/65 R15, but I was thinking of going up to 215/65
R15. Any advice on doing this? Thanks.


The steering will be heavy! Fine on the highway. More work driving in 
town. Makes the car feel like the tire pressure is a bit low!


Marshall
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[MBZ] **wiring harness on the W140 Diesel **

2006-06-22 Thread W. Lasher
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Is that all? I'd hoped for better since I'd been thinking of building one
someday. My 240D would average around 28mpg but that was almost exclusively
highway driving 80-90 miles a day.

* I thought 30 MPG was pretty good for pushing 5000 lbs of metal around.

Walt Lasher
Seattle
W140 S350



Re: [MBZ] Antenna in the center of the trunk lid ?

2006-06-22 Thread Marshall Booth

Rick wrote:

I will try this one last time.. 2 months ago I purchased a 1973 450SL. One if 
the few issues it had was the antenna was broken off. This is a fixed mast 
antenna mounted in
the center of the trunk lid. I was able to find a generic replacement antenna at the local auto mart but the reception is not very good. So I checked on line for an original replacement antenna and I can only find motorized retractible antenna ? So what is the deal. I have searched on line for any SL with the antenna on the trunk lid and haven't found one yet ? 


The antenna on the trunk lid was surely something that a previous owner 
added. I'm almost sure it's NOTHING the factory ever provided.


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Re: [MBZ] Amazing July specials from BuyMBparts.com

2006-06-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

How much for a 84 190D radiator?

Rusty Cullens wrote:


100% correct, ya'll can always call to get prices, they are VERY good.

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Rusty is feeling kinda lonely, so he's giving away parts again to get
you
to call us.  That silly Rusty!


Wow is that chart (?) hard to read!



Methinks Hursty has used HTML to build an e-mail chart. Bad Hursty, bad!

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Re: [MBZ] Amazing July specials from BuyMBparts.com

2006-06-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

Thats probably the best idea.

Chuck Landenberger wrote:


Maybe we can just mix and match prices and parts as we wish




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Re: [MBZ] Amazing July specials from BuyMBparts.com

2006-06-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Gary Hurst wrote:


we did it as an xls attachment last time.  everyone complained

we did it as html this time.  everyone complained

maybe corporal don can figure out how to do it in punchcard?


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Re: [MBZ] 126 climate control

2006-06-22 Thread M.Afzaal Khan
Thanks  It does  explain the symptoms Seems most likely  a leaking  vacuum 
pod.will check it , mostly behind the centre panel

mak



My guess is that one of the pods has a vacuum leak, and when the
ACC goes to actuate it the vacuum leaks away and the system defaults
to the defrost vent pattern.  Maybe the footwell pod?  Use a MityVac
on the lines coming out of the electric vacuum manifold behind the
ACC panel.  (Or is it behind the glove box?)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Greasemud

2006-06-22 Thread Christopher McCann
Thanks for the laughs - those two sites are hysterically funny!
 
 Chris

Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Tootle your horn melodiously and
 motor gently through the greasemud for therein lies the skid demon.

 This is an honest-to-god quote from an early Japanese car owners manual. 
 The
 make escapes me at the moment.

Had to do a Google search of this.
tootle is about a quarter of the way down.
http://www.etni.org.il/farside/signsaroundworld.htm

tootle is the fifth one from the bottom of the page...
http://www.engrish.com/fromyou/fromyou2000-a.php

Goofy stuff...
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Thanks Jim,  everyone else; yes this is something that is not needed
much; (would be nice to cool down a bit before getting inside car)  as it
would require a solenoid to stop shut off vacuum to vac. shutoff valve on
rear of inj. pump, when ign. sw. is in off position; all the dealers say
to have it professionally  installed; i would think i am as
professional as some of the youngsters doing it now

guess i will just spend my mad money on other stuff for the cars?!?!?; 
Steve



Re: [MBZ] REMOTE STARTER FOR 1983 300D

2006-06-22 Thread Jim Cathey

The remote locking is very handy, since I haven't replaced the broken
drivers door locking assembly yet -


I like these things, and they're pretty easy to put into
the 86+ models.  See: http://cathey.dogear.com/SDLkeyless.html
I have done it with Audiovox APS-45 (old) and APS-25CH (slightly
less old).

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] REMOTE STARTER FOR 300D

2006-06-22 Thread Jim Cathey
would require a solenoid to stop shut off vacuum to vac. shutoff valve 
on

rear of inj. pump, when ign. sw. is in off position;


Easy to come by, the vacuum valves used for overboost protection
or the Type III ACC pod control will do it.


all the dealers say
to have it professionally  installed; i would think i am as
professional as some of the youngsters doing it now


Absolutely!

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Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?/Who....../BT4 in M37

2006-06-22 Thread Levi Smith

Well...  Actually I was referring to a different hill, the turnpike over in
Hornell.  However, I bet you're thinking of Smith Hill by my house and yeah,
that one is pretty similar.  Actually, it's a bit steeper/shorter, but you
can get going 60mph+ at the bottom, so if I'm careful I can hold almost
40mph through there.  (:

Levi

On 6/21/06, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I know the hill he is talking about..A 300D could use another 50hp on
that thing.Nowhere to gain any speed and keep it as the really fun
twisties are pretty , well twisty.  Oh and did he mention it is freakin
step?  My old 240D would get 15mph up most of
itBBBLLLAAAIII
fast.


Mike
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 Well, I haven't officially clocked the 0-60mph time, but I'm thinking
it's
 under 20 seconds.  It certainly doesn't feel REAL slow on a flat
surface.
 The only time it's a problem is catching the big hills at slow speeds.
 This
 particular hill is probably something like a 600-800' rise over a little
 more than a mile, so I would call it pretty steep.  And if there weren't
a
 tight turn with parked cars which is in town at the bottom, I could
 probably
 hold a faster speed if I could get up there.  But since I can't get
going
 more than maybe 35mph, that's as fast as I can hold it.
 It certainly seems to be revving high enough in 1st, it's something like
 4500rpm when it shifts... (the tach is intermittent)  (I've got a speedo
 out
 of a late 70's 300D, so the gear notches aren't the same as mine).

 I am tempted to take a look at the Alda though.  I've heard it mentioned
 lots of times, but I've never gotten around to actually figuring out
where
 it is (I know it's more or less on the back of the IP) and how exactly
to
 go
 about adjusting it.  Is there one set of directions that are the best to
 use?

 Levi

 On 6/21/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hmm, then either my 83' 300D is an odd combination or there's some
  other
  reason, 'cause when it shifts from 1st to second, it definitely drops
  out of
  the turbo's range.  I've got a hill that sucks, 'cause it will rev
  right up
  through 1st no problem, but as soon as it hits second it will
*almost*
  hold
  its own at about 30-35mph, but generally drops back to first gear,
and
  repeats.  (depending on whether I engage the drop-down and/or if the
  A/C is
  on.)  Personally I would much rather have a stick...  It certainly
  couldn't
  be any worse shifting.  (:

 Something sounds wrong.  How's the 0-60 time?  Your ALDA may need a bit
 of
 a tweak to gain back a bit of low-RPM torque that has been lost due to
 spring fade (inside IP) and the general debility of age.  Is the shift
 from 1-2 at around the correct RPM?  (Not too much lower, when floored,
 than the single orange pip on the speedometer scale.)  It should take
 a heck of a hill to faze the 120 HP of a correctly running OM617A in
 second gear.

 -- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Greasemud

2006-06-22 Thread Dan Weeks
Speaking of translations, I was looking over a german website, in 
translation, at early, 4-cyl diesel MB motorhome-from-van 
conversions. Terribly underpowered, but serviceable. In one listing 
was the sentence: Climbs mountains with many puffings.


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Re: [MBZ] A/C problem on 126

2006-06-22 Thread Donald Snook
Re: my question about the a/c cutting out on hills, Johnny B. wrote: 

 

There are safeguards that cut the AC out when temp is too high,  

pressure drops or engine is at very high revs. Did you observe the  

gauges? Was the tranny kicked-down?

 

The engine was certainly at high revs.  I was making this trip at 80-85
mph. This car has the 103 engine and the 126 (SEL) is a big heavy car,
so at that speed I am always approaching 4000 rpm.  I don't recall
whether the transmission had kicked down, but I assume that it had
because I was climbing a steep hill.  

 

 

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Re: [MBZ] A/C problem on 126

2006-06-22 Thread Donald Snook
Marshall wrote: 

 

There is another sensor that will cut 

off the AC compressor when the coolant temperature approaches the safe 

temperature limit. Either of these COULD be exceeded when climbing a 

hill. There MAY also be a pedal switch that cuts off the compressor when


the accelerator pedal approaches the floor. This was often installed in 

cars with smaller engines (relative to the weight of the car).

 

If you mean that the blower speed changes or the air comes from 

different vents, then I have NO idea.

 

The air is not really getting warmer and I can still hear the blower
motor running, but I am not getting good flow from the center vents.
The symptom has not repeated itself in over a week.  Perhaps it was just
too hot and I was pushing it too hard. 

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 128K 



Re: [MBZ] Amazing July specials from BuyMBparts.com

2006-06-22 Thread LT Don

I am used to hearing that from Gary -- doesn't bother me. Working with the
disabled 40 hours a week have given me the patience to deal with the Garys
of the world who only act disabled.

On 6/21/06, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


You put up with that cross-lateral military branch demotion without a
peep;
what the hell is wrong with you?!?!?!?!?

On 6/21/06, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I think .xls worked just fine last time, dude.

   maybe corporal don can figure out how to do it in punchcard?


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Re: [MBZ] 79 300D Normal Coolant Temperature

2006-06-22 Thread Jim Cathey

I still ( after 5 years ) am not sure if I have a cooling problem with
my 300D. Temperatures climb to 98degC when climbing a 200m hill that is
3 km is length ( average inclination 15:1 ) Normal temperature is some
82 deg. Fast ( 120km/h ) driving also results in higher temperatures (
95 deg ). Ambient temperature 25degC. Is this normal  or should I
change radiator - ( I have changed pump, thermostat, fan-coupler )


They do climb a bit, fairly quickly when load is applied.  But if
it worries you try a $5 acid flush first.  If it makes a difference
then maybe it was the radiator.  OTOH, if it makes a difference maybe
you don't have a problem anymore.

It eliminated the overheating problem our SDL had.  (Which got a lot
hotter than yours did.)

See: http://cathey.dogear.com/SDLcool.html#acid

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] A/C problem on 126

2006-06-22 Thread Jim Cathey

The engine was certainly at high revs.  I was making this trip at 80-85
mph. This car has the 103 engine and the 126 (SEL) is a big heavy car,
so at that speed I am always approaching 4000 rpm.  I don't recall
whether the transmission had kicked down, but I assume that it had
because I was climbing a steep hill.


If _you_ floored it the kickdown switch (on that model) could have
turned off the AC compressor.  But that doesn't affect how the blower
and vents work.  If anything the fan speed will _increase_ as it
starts blowing vent air, assuming it's warm out and the cabin tends
to get too hot without AC.  That's what our SDL does.

But if the tranny downshifted by itself that mechanism isn't operative.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] Amazing July specials from BuyMBparts.com

2006-06-22 Thread John Berryman


On Jun 21, 2006, at 4:48 PM, Fmiser wrote:

PDF is quite universal.

For Windows, go get PDFcreator.
http://www.pdfforge.org/products/pdfcreator

It's free and open source. It installs like a printer driver but it
prints a PDF file rather than a piece of paper. Therefore, you can have
a PDF from any program that can print!



And a PDF is easily opened in Mac classic, Mac OS X, Linux, BSD, Unix,
Windows, etc.

-- Philip


	In OS X 10.4.6 and down to at least 10.1.5 PDFs are easily created  
from any application's print dialog by simply clicking the PDF radio  
button on the bottom. No plug-ins, extra software or special shoes  
are needed to perform this feat.
	I still don't understand why the rest of the world is so reluctant  
to trash the worst OS known to man and make the easy transition to  
Mac OS X. It took me about 20 minutes of running OS X to get my  
groove on, as opposed to years of anxiety and pulling my hair out  
over MS's greedy ineptitude.
	Any reasonable person who spent some quality time trying it out  
would be aching to make the switch. There are precious few Windows  
actions that cannot be performed on a Mac, right out of the box.  
Virus? What's that?


Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] Amazing July specials from BuyMBparts.com

2006-06-22 Thread John Berryman


On Jun 21, 2006, at 4:50 PM, Fmiser wrote:


Worse. They are trying to knock Microsoft off the top of the hill...


Wasted effort, MS will fall off on its own, in time.


--  Philip, fond of choices, not monopolies


Aye.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am



Re: [MBZ] P/S Filter ?? 85 300SD

2006-06-22 Thread John Berryman


On Jun 21, 2006, at 5:42 PM, Chuck Landenberger wrote:


George,

You'll find that filter (like a small donut) at the bottom of the
power steering pump.  Don't know change interval, but they're rather
cheap and once a year would seem sensible.  The knowledgeable listers
will chime in I'm sure.

Take care,

Chuck


	After many years of an educated guess as to the proper fill level,  
it was brought to my attention that there is an arrow on the plastic  
piece that slides over the stud.


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Re: [MBZ] **wiring harness on the W140 Diesel **

2006-06-22 Thread Curt Raymond
32 was the average over only the first 6,000 miles of ownership. That includes 
a tank at 28mpg when I was fighting with summer fuel when I first bought it, so 
there was alot of driving up and down my apartment complex street in 1st to get 
the fuel warmed up. Then another tank at 26mpg when my Indy was replacing seals 
in the IP.
  So more recent tanks are much closer to 38, my rough calculation of today's 
fillup is 37, It'll probably end up a little low, I put in a quart of motor oil 
as a tonic when the tank was nearly empty. I'll put it and the two before it 
into my spreadsheet tonight and see what that does to the average.
  I'm also blowing out ALOT of crud from the previous owner. I've had those 
instances where I left a huge smokescreen. Second oil change on my watch should 
be this weekend assuming the filter arrives in time.
   
  -Curt
  '85 190D Dory 241kmi
   
  Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:28:40 -0400
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Curt Raymond wrote:
 Is that all? I'd hoped for better since I'd been thinking of building 
one someday. My 240D would average around 28mpg but that was almost 
exclusively highway driving 80-90 miles a day. 

   My 190D is averaging only a little better at around 32mpg but that 
includes so bad tanks while it was leaking fuel dragging the average 
down. I've only just gotten myself out of the habit of driving with the 
pedal to the floor which in most cases the 190D doesn't need. I'm also 
trying to decrease my average speed which should increase mileage.

   -Curt

Is your 190D an automatic? 32 is really quite poor unless it all city 
driving. I ALWAYS drive my 190D 2.x s (5 spd or auto) with the pedal to 
the floor!! That make remarkably little difference. Highway speeds much 
above 60 will lower mileage, but on the highway my auto always did 
better than 35 and the 5 spds better than 38.. It took a year or more 
(20+kmi) after I switched to synthetic oil before they got there 
though! 
Had to blow out all the crud that was left from the previous owners I 
guess.

Marshall
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In a message dated 6/22/2006 6:21:47 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
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The air  is not really getting warmer and I can still hear the blower
motor running,  but I am not getting good flow from the center vents.
The symptom has not  repeated itself in over a week.  Perhaps it was just
too hot and I was  pushing it too hard. 



Donald,
 
This is purely a vacuum storage problem, could even be normal if your time  
on the hill exceeds the volume of vacuum storage.  Gas engines do not  create 
much vacuum with the throttle open like you are likely to have it on the  hill. 
 The AC ducting default is defrost with no vacuum, so you will feel  the air 
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so it may not shift 100% to defrost in the condition you  describe.  A small 
vacuum leak in the storage circuit could shorten your  

Re: [MBZ] P/S Filter ?? 85 300SD

2006-06-22 Thread Curt Raymond
I replace the PS fluid (Mobil 1 ATF on our older cars) thats in the resevoir 
every oil change and the filter once a year. My 190D didn't look like the 
filter had been changed in eons when I did it in February so I'm contemplating 
doing it again at the next oil change. I'll pull it and see if it looks gross, 
if it is I'll change it. When I did the fluid at the last oil change it looked 
more like barbeque sauce than ATF.
   
  On my PS leak, I checked the fluid last night and it was still topped up. I 
poked at the hoses I could see from topside and they didn't appear to be 
leaking. Nevertheless I'll give the lowpressure side a little tightening when I 
replace the secondary fuel filter this weekend.
   
  -Curt
  '85 190D Dory 241kmi
   
  Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:42:35 -0700
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George,

You'll find that filter (like a small donut) at the bottom of the  
power steering pump.  Don't know change interval, but they're rather  
cheap and once a year would seem sensible.  The knowledgeable listers  
will chime in I'm sure.

Take care,

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Fmiser said:
 The rubber seal around the rear windshield is really old and hard and
 it looks like someone tried to put some silicone over it to seal it. I
 found some water in the left rear seat footwell last evening after
 some heavy rain so I have leaking from somewhere.

 What are the common water infiltration modes on a W123?

 The only placa any of mine have leaked is around the front and rear
 windows. I have repaired all that did leak with a tube of black RTV. I
 squeesed out a bead along the glass/rubber joint. It may not be the
 right fix, but it has worked!

I've used the official Mercedes runny gasket seal in the past, but I can't
recall whether it worked well or not. Anyone else used the Mercedes stuff
to seal an old W123 front or rear window gasket?

...Kevin
87 300TD 284k mi
79 240D 158k mi




Re: [MBZ] Amazing July specials from BuyMBparts.com

2006-06-22 Thread Zeitgeist

How very zen, most honorable sensei

On 6/22/06, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I am used to hearing that from Gary -- doesn't bother me. Working with the
disabled 40 hours a week have given me the patience to deal with the Garys
of the world who only act disabled.



Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state
'87 300TD intercooler #22 (215k)
'84 300D (213k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG


Re: [MBZ] P/S Filter ?? 85 300SD

2006-06-22 Thread George Larribeau
I replace the PS fluid (Mobil 1 ATF on our older cars) thats in the 
resevoir every oil change and the filter once a year.



Is Mobil 1 ATF OK in the PS in my 85 300SD? (it is currently in my 
transmission) I am currently using the stuff in the blue bottle (Febi) 
locally available OTC at 'foreign car parts suppliers. Should I replace 
fluid and or flush it some how? A while back the PS got funky (real small 
leak) and I had to top it off to get it happy again. Vey fussy system, I 
know I put in more than a teaspoon but in no way was it a whole 'cup'. 
(sorry I don't know how many bushels the trunk will hold).


George Larribeau
Dallas, Texas

1985 300SD 190K







Re: [MBZ] Amazing July specials from BuyMBparts.com

2006-06-22 Thread Gary Hurst

I'm pretty disabled, thank you

On 6/22/06, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I am used to hearing that from Gary -- doesn't bother me. Working with the
disabled 40 hours a week have given me the patience to deal with the Garys
of the world who only act disabled.

On 6/21/06, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You put up with that cross-lateral military branch demotion without a
 peep;
 what the hell is wrong with you?!?!?!?!?

 On 6/21/06, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I think .xls worked just fine last time, dude.
 
maybe corporal don can figure out how to do it in punchcard?
 

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 Olympia, WA
 Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state
 '87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k)
 '84 300D (213k)
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Re: [MBZ] Amazing July specials from BuyMBparts.com

2006-06-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

cool, when, I need to be planning my time off early for that.

Rusty Cullens wrote:


I am not going to Wizbanned dude. I will be having a RustyQ though.

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Probably the same person who is feeding him durring wizbanned

Rusty Cullens wrote:



And who is going to feed my father?






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Re: [MBZ] Amazing July specials from BuyMBparts.com

2006-06-22 Thread Rusty Cullens
$246.34 is the regular price. Dude the RustyQ's cost me at least $3,000
every year. 

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Whats the normal price?  You have short term financing available?  Im 
shooting my wad on the okieQ

Rusty Cullens wrote:

 $215.00. Today  today ONLY.
 
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 How much for a 84 190D radiator?
 
 Rusty Cullens wrote:
 
 
100% correct, ya'll can always call to get prices, they are VERY good.

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on 6/21/06 12:26 PM, Jim Cathey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Rusty is feeling kinda lonely, so he's giving away parts again to
get
you
to call us.  That silly Rusty!

Wow is that chart (?) hard to read!


Methinks Hursty has used HTML to build an e-mail chart. Bad Hursty,
 
 bad!
 
Mac


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Re: [MBZ] Amazing July specials from BuyMBparts.com

2006-06-22 Thread Donald Snook
How much for a rear muffler for a 1990 300SEL? 

 

Donald H. Snook

 



Re: [MBZ] Amazing July specials from BuyMBparts.com

2006-06-22 Thread Rusty Cullens
$160.00 best on that, that is a real good price.

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How much for a rear muffler for a 1990 300SEL? 

 

Donald H. Snook

 

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[MBZ] NY eBay parts SDL

2006-06-22 Thread Rick Knoble
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1986-Mercedes-Benz-300SDL-300-SDL-turbo-diesel-New-York_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6783QQihZ019QQitemZ8076988385QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

Nice maint. spreadsheet. Is it fixable??? I dunno...
No affiliation, ect.

Rick Knoble 
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT



Re: [MBZ] Amazing July specials from BuyMBparts.com

2006-06-22 Thread Luther Gulseth


I have some extra vacation also...

Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

 cool, when, I need to be planning my time off early for that.
 
 Rusty Cullens wrote:
 
  I am not going to Wizbanned dude. I will be having a RustyQ though.
  
  -Original Message-
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  Probably the same person who is feeding him durring wizbanned
  
  Rusty Cullens wrote:
  
  
 And who is going to feed my father?
 
  
  
 



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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix)
'82 300CD (160kmi)
'82 300D  (74kmi needs block or engine)





Re: [MBZ] A/C problem on 126

2006-06-22 Thread Jim Cathey
This is purely a vacuum storage problem, could even be normal if your 
time

on the hill exceeds the volume of vacuum storage.


The AC system normally _consumes_ no vacuum, so this shouldn't happen
regardless.  That is, when a pod changes state there is a consumption
of vacuum, but steady-state there should be no draw.  There would need
to be a leak in order for this to be happening.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] NY eBay parts SDL

2006-06-22 Thread Luther Gulseth


ARGH.  Why are all the good parts cars 1000+ miles away??  
Oh yeah, I know.  Kaleb and Tom have bought them all.

Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1986-Mercedes-Benz-300SDL-300-SDL-turbo-
diesel-New-
York_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6783QQihZ019QQitemZ8076988385QQrdZ1QQsspagenam
eZWDVW
 
 Nice maint. spreadsheet. Is it fixable??? I dunno...
 No affiliation, ect.
 
 Rick Knoble 
 '85 300 CD
 '87 190 DT
 



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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix)
'82 300CD (160kmi)
'82 300D  (74kmi needs block or engine)





Re: [MBZ] Amazing July specials from BuyMBparts.com

2006-06-22 Thread John Berryman


On Jun 22, 2006, at 11:06 AM, Rusty Cullens wrote:


And who is going to feed my father?


I will if I end-up there. LT Don is also well-versed in care-giving.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am



Re: [MBZ] 79 300D Normal Coolant Temperature

2006-06-22 Thread Peter Frederick
I would suggest checking the rad.  79 probably has the plastic/aluminum 
one, you can replace with same or get a brass/copper one (my choice, as 
they can be cleaned and don't corrode as aluminum does).


I only see a temp rise that high while pulling long (15 - 20 mile) 4% 
grades in the mountains in the summer with the AC on -- otherwise it 
stays right above 85C.


Peter




Re: [MBZ] NY eBay parts SDL

2006-06-22 Thread Mike Canfield
HHH...Maybe a new cogen system powerplant.How well do these 
engines like 1800RPM or so continuously I wonder?


Mike
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Nice maint. spreadsheet. Is it fixable??? I dunno...
No affiliation, ect.

Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT

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Re: [MBZ] Amazing July specials from BuyMBparts.com

2006-06-22 Thread Rusty Cullens
But my father is in a nursing home in Atlanta. Not in Oklahoma.

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On Jun 22, 2006, at 11:06 AM, Rusty Cullens wrote:

 And who is going to feed my father?

I will if I end-up there. LT Don is also well-versed in
care-giving.

Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] A/C problem on 126

2006-06-22 Thread Peter Frederick
If the dash vents switch to defrost at full throttle, you have a vacuum 
leak -- there is a tank that holds vac for the system, but leaking 
supply lines and/or leaking servos will cause it to cycle back to 
defrost at wide open throttle.  Usually this is leaking servos, as they 
require condsiderably more vac that the system usually provides at WOT.


As for the temp rise, you should check the AC pressures at high rpm 
(3000 -- only for a few seconds, please, the engine doesn't like it!).  
Either excessive high side OR too low low side pressures will cut the 
AC off.  A faulty expansion valve will cause very low pressure by 
preventing freon flow, and this can also cause the compressor to stop.  
Usually this means a clog.  Air in the system will cause excessive high 
side pressure hot.


And, a bad evaporator temp sensor will cut the compressor off 
inappropriately, too!


However, the very first thing I would do is replace the belt -- a 
slipping belt will cause the AC compressor to drop off line until the 
engine is restarte.  This is to prevent a compressor lockup from making 
the engine inoperable.



I don't know if there is a WOT cutout for the AC compressor.  That 
would be unusual, as even the old diesels don't have one!


Peter




Re: [MBZ] **wiring harness on the W140 Diesel **

2006-06-22 Thread Peter Frederick
PIddling about at low speed carbons things up pretty badly on a 601, 
and a full throttle run will blow out all the loose stuff, pretty 
spectacular if it's been a while.  Most of it is probably loose soot in 
the exhaust.


My personal tonic these days is some contaminated fuel I add a quart 
or so of per tank -- one of my colleague's wife filled her car up with 
diesel fuel a couple years ago, so he was stuck with the ten gallons or 
so of gasoline with diesel in it.  Not enough to prevent the car from 
running (poorly!), and it burns in the lawn mowers, but not well 
(carbon fouls the plugs, smokes).  A bit in a full tank of fuel and the 
300D just purrs!


Peter




Re: [MBZ] P/S Filter ?? 85 300SD

2006-06-22 Thread dave walton

If it's that much different, then it probably should not be used in
transmissions from the 80's either, right?

-Dave Walton
94S350, 99E300

On 6/22/06, Dave Wakin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


You do not want to use ATF for PS. The ATF of today is very different then
the ATF of the 80's, and the new stuff will eat the seals and cause leaks.

Stick with PS fluid.

Dave W


 Hi George,

  Yeah as far as I know ATF is good into the very early '90s. I've never
 had a 126 but my 123 and 201s have been very insensitive to fluid level.
 My 190D didn't make untoward noises until the resevior was empty...
  Every time I change the oil I stick the topsider in there and slurp out
 the fluid down to the filter and refill. Once I year I pull the filter
and
 use the topsider to pull out all the fluid it can reach. Then put in a
new
 filter and refill.
  With my 240D the first few times I did it the fluid I pulled out was a
 bit darker than the good stuff I put in but rapidly cleared out. On the
 190D the gunk I pulled out was gross, then its only a bit dark and since
 it all leaked out and I refilled its not bad at all...

  I'm sure people who know more about the 126 will chime in.

  -Curt

  Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:45:23 -0500
 From: George Larribeau [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] P/S Filter ?? 85 300SD
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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I replace the PS fluid (Mobil 1 ATF on our older cars) thats in the
resevoir every oil change and the filter once a year.


 Is Mobil 1 ATF OK in the PS in my 85 300SD? (it is currently in my
 transmission) I am currently using the stuff in the blue bottle (Febi)
 locally available OTC at 'foreign car parts suppliers. Should I replace
 fluid and or flush it some how? A while back the PS got funky (real
 small
 leak) and I had to top it off to get it happy again. Vey fussy
 system, I
 know I put in more than a teaspoon but in no way was it a whole 'cup'.
 (sorry I don't know how many bushels the trunk will hold).

 George Larribeau
 Dallas, Texas

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Re: [MBZ] Antenna in the center of the trunk lid ?

2006-06-22 Thread David Brodbeck
Jim Cathey wrote:
 A trunk-mount antenna base, sans mast, could have been for anything.
 CB, car phone, etc.  Without the mast you can't even get much of an
 idea what wavelength it was for.
   

When I had my 300D Turbo I put an antenna mount on the center of the
trunk lid for a 2m band amateur radio transceiver.  (The actual mount
was a standard NMO style that would accept any number of antennas.) 
Placed exactly in the center of the trunklid, the mast would clear the
roof with the trunk fully open.  If I had the long 5/8-wave one on I had
to be a little gentle, though, because it would whip around and tap the
roof if I threw the lid open too fast.

I didn't put the mount on the roof because I was afraid of drilling into
part of the sunroof mechanism.

I used to use mag-mounts a lot, but I don't like them for semi-permanent
use because they invariably end up damaging the paint.  If that's going
to happen anyway, I'd rather just drill a hole and put in a fixed mount,
because at least then I can do a neat, intentional-looking job of it. 
For cars I just couldn't bear to drill into, I've used glass-mount antennas.




Re: [MBZ] NY eBay parts SDL

2006-06-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
its for sure a parts car, that thing has WAY more rust problems than a 
rusted control arm.  I have NEVER seen one that bad before.


Rick Knoble wrote:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1986-Mercedes-Benz-300SDL-300-SDL-turbo-diesel-New-York_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6783QQihZ019QQitemZ8076988385QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

Nice maint. spreadsheet. Is it fixable??? I dunno...
No affiliation, ect.

Rick Knoble 
'85 300 CD

'87 190 DT

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Re: [MBZ] Amazing July specials from BuyMBparts.com

2006-06-22 Thread David Brodbeck
John Berryman wrote:
   I still don't understand why the rest of the world is so reluctant  
 to trash the worst OS known to man and make the easy transition to  
 Mac OS X.

In my case, it's because I don't feel like buying all new hardware,
software, and peripherals, while paying more money for lower
performance.  For example, my PC's 128 megabyte GeForce4 video card, by
no means a state-of-the-art design, runs rings around the 64 megabyte,
non-upgradable video subsystem in my SO's Mac Mini.

I like MacOS X, but not all the other stuff that goes with it, frankly. 
And MacOS X puts you on the same treadmill Windows does, making you buy
upgrades on a regular basis as then end-of-life older versions and stop
providing bug fixes.




Re: [MBZ] Amazing July specials from BuyMBparts.com

2006-06-22 Thread Mitch Haley
How about 2.3-16v spheres?
Is one brand better than the other?



[MBZ] 240D to 300D [was: Re: OT Powerstroke?/Who....../BT4 in M37]

2006-06-22 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:35:20 -0400 Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 SoIf I pick up the 240D 4spd and a 300D say around 85(I know
 where  one is.) there is a way to combine the two? 

Most definitely. The body, afterall, was designed to handle all those
combinations.


 I assume the bolt pattern for the bellhousing is the same between the
 two engines? 

Most likely. If not, the adapter plate that bolts onto the back of the
block and to which the bellhousing bolts can be transferred from one
engine to the other.


 Flywheel from the 240 will go on the 5cyl.? 

I've heard of it being done, but the factory 5 cylinder stick-shift
flywheel is thicker and heavier. I was able to locate the proper 617
stick-shift flywheel when I was doing my conversion in Austin, TX.


 No balancing issues? I heard that each flywheel is balanced to it's
 engine is this true?

The shop manual has a large section on balancing a new flywheel to the old
one, but I didn't go through that since I never had an original
stick-shift flywheel for the 617 engine I used. In addition, when the
machine shop was resurfacing the flywheel, the gouged the inside of the
clutch pressure plate support ring and had to re-balance the flywheel
statically. It's worked just fine for the last mearly 50,000 miles.

You do need to insert a pilot bearing in the back end of the crankshaft
and need to check the bolts that attach the flywheel to the crank (they're
stretched when they're tightened and have a limited number of re-uses).

The drive shaft length will have to be changed, too, and then the
driveshaft will have to be rebalanced.


Craig


P.S. When used with a personal pronoun, an apostrophe means a contraction,
 not possessive. Thus it's = it is. No apostrophe for possessive,
 as in, its engine. See http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif



Re: [MBZ] NY eBay parts SDL

2006-06-22 Thread Mitch Haley
Mike Canfield wrote:
 
 HHH...Maybe a new cogen system powerplant.How well do these
 engines like 1800RPM or so continuously I wonder?

I think full timing advance kicks in at 2000-2200. I think a 603 would be 
happier
at 2400rpm with a three pole generator.  Cogeneration can be very efficient if 
you're
running hot water heat with a water cooled exhaust.



Re: [MBZ] REMOTE STARTER FOR 1983 300D

2006-06-22 Thread Mitch Haley
OK Don wrote:
 
 The remote locking is very handy, since I haven't replaced the broken
 drivers door locking assembly yet.

I'll probably put remote entry on the 16v/future 190d sportline, but
I have no desire to use remote start (especially with a 5sp tranny).
I wonder if I can actuate it with a vacuum valve, or if it would be
easier to pop the driver's door button with the solenoid that comes
with the remote.



Re: [MBZ] NY eBay parts SDL

2006-06-22 Thread Mike Canfield
Nuttin 5 gallons of bondo and a good welder won't fix.That's a nice one 
here.LOLOLOL


Mike
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Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] NY eBay parts SDL


HOLY CATS look at that rust! Yoinks, parts machine I think...

 -Curt

 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:36:55 -0500
From: Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [MBZ] NY eBay parts SDL
To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1986-Mercedes-Benz-300SDL-300-SDL-turbo-diesel-New-York_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6783QQihZ019QQitemZ8076988385QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

Nice maint. spreadsheet. Is it fixable??? I dunno...
No affiliation, ect.

Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT



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Re: [MBZ] Amazing July specials from BuyMBparts.com

2006-06-22 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:48:11 -0700 David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 John Berryman wrote:
  I still don't understand why the rest of the world is so reluctant
  to trash the worst OS known to man and make the easy transition to  
  Mac OS X.
 
 In my case, it's because I don't feel like buying all new hardware,
 software, and peripherals, while paying more money for lower
 performance.  For example, my PC's 128 megabyte GeForce4 video card, by
 no means a state-of-the-art design, runs rings around the 64 megabyte,
 non-upgradable video subsystem in my SO's Mac Mini.
 
 I like MacOS X, but not all the other stuff that goes with it, frankly. 
 And MacOS X puts you on the same treadmill Windows does, making you buy
 upgrades on a regular basis as then end-of-life older versions and stop
 providing bug fixes.

Then go for Linux, or OpenBSD.



Craig



Re: [MBZ] Cheap Milwakee 190e

2006-06-22 Thread Mitch Haley
Rick Knoble wrote:
 
 http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/car/173934546.html

Sweet. Just look at that interior. Wrong shifter, it looks like.
I've got an '87 fender and turn signal (silver, not tan).
For $375 it looks like a very good deal if it drives well.
Is Fred Johnson of Chicago still with us?



Re: [MBZ] NY eBay parts SDL

2006-06-22 Thread Steve MacSween
Oh, yeah, we get that up here.

For some reason 1986, maybe '87 too, was a problematic year for some w126s.

I have seen 300SDLs and 300SEs with incredible rust issues, and peculiarly
not the same rust issues as the earlier w126 cars. I can only assume
Mercedes was kicking in some cost-saving change on the production line at
the time, and it flew like a dodo when the cars aged. Stuff like that
suspension failure, door rot (inside out) at the door handle openings,
rotten front dress panels and inner fenders, even rusted thru fender tops.

Yet the V8 cars don't seem to suffer the same way. But maybe that's because
the diesels tend to accumulate mileage faster. Dunno.

Mac.

 on 6/22/06 2:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 its for sure a parts car, that thing has WAY more rust problems than a
 rusted control arm.  I have NEVER seen one that bad before.
 
 Rick Knoble wrote:
 
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1986-Mercedes-Benz-300SDL-300-SDL-turbo-diesel
 -New-York_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6783QQihZ019QQitemZ8076988385QQrdZ1QQssp
 agenameZWDVW
 
 Nice maint. spreadsheet. Is it fixable??? I dunno...
 No affiliation, ect.
 
 Rick Knoble 
 '85 300 CD
 '87 190 DT
 
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Re: [MBZ] NY eBay parts SDL

2006-06-22 Thread Mike Canfield

Mitch,
 You are on the same track as I.  I am looking at a exhaust to air and 
coolant to air heat exchangers to start out with and then plumb in baseboard 
heat as I can afford.  I will probably use the 240D engine I will be getting 
for the cogen as it will be more efficient running 2 less 
cylinders..Might buy it and e-bay the parts if the price stays low 
enough.


Mike
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Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] NY eBay parts SDL



Mike Canfield wrote:


HHH...Maybe a new cogen system powerplant.How well do 
these

engines like 1800RPM or so continuously I wonder?


I think full timing advance kicks in at 2000-2200. I think a 603 would be 
happier
at 2400rpm with a three pole generator.  Cogeneration can be very 
efficient if you're

running hot water heat with a water cooled exhaust.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D to 300D [was: Re: OT Powerstroke?/Who....../BT4 in M37]

2006-06-22 Thread LarryT

Hi Craig,
All your suggestions sound great - but instead of modifying the flywheel and 
drveshaft wouldn't it be preferable to transfer *all* the components from 
the donor  300D?


Sounds like a very workable transformation -- 
;-)  I'll be looking for an 84 or 85 300D!


BTW, would later 300Ds work in a W123 240D?   Just in case I happen to find 
a rust bucket 87/88/89? 300D - or where they getting too complex?


Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 3:19 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 240D to 300D [was: Re: OT Powerstroke?/Who../BT4 in M37]



On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:35:20 -0400 Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


SoIf I pick up the 240D 4spd and a 300D say around 85(I know
where  one is.) there is a way to combine the two?


Most definitely. The body, afterall, was designed to handle all those
combinations.



I assume the bolt pattern for the bellhousing is the same between the
two engines?


Most likely. If not, the adapter plate that bolts onto the back of the
block and to which the bellhousing bolts can be transferred from one
engine to the other.



Flywheel from the 240 will go on the 5cyl.?


I've heard of it being done, but the factory 5 cylinder stick-shift
flywheel is thicker and heavier. I was able to locate the proper 617
stick-shift flywheel when I was doing my conversion in Austin, TX.



No balancing issues? I heard that each flywheel is balanced to it's
engine is this true?


The shop manual has a large section on balancing a new flywheel to the old
one, but I didn't go through that since I never had an original
stick-shift flywheel for the 617 engine I used. In addition, when the
machine shop was resurfacing the flywheel, the gouged the inside of the
clutch pressure plate support ring and had to re-balance the flywheel
statically. It's worked just fine for the last mearly 50,000 miles.

You do need to insert a pilot bearing in the back end of the crankshaft
and need to check the bolts that attach the flywheel to the crank (they're
stretched when they're tightened and have a limited number of re-uses).

The drive shaft length will have to be changed, too, and then the
driveshaft will have to be rebalanced.


Craig


P.S. When used with a personal pronoun, an apostrophe means a contraction,
not possessive. Thus it's = it is. No apostrophe for possessive,
as in, its engine. See http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif

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Re: [MBZ] 240D to 300D [was: Re: OT Powerstroke?/Who....../BT4 in M37]

2006-06-22 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:14:02 -0400 LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Craig,
 All your suggestions sound great - but instead of modifying the flywheel
 and  drveshaft wouldn't it be preferable to transfer *all* the
 components from  the donor  300D?

I had thought Mike wanted to end up with a stick-shift 300D. If not, then
sure, just transfer everything from the 300D to the 240D.


 BTW, would later 300Ds work in a W123 240D?   Just in case I happen to
 find  a rust bucket 87/88/89? 300D - or where they getting too complex?

Since they are different models (probably W124 instead of W123), I suspect
that the swap would be quite difficult.


Craig



Re: [MBZ] Cheap Milwakee 190e

2006-06-22 Thread Gary Hurst

i've got one that actually runs well that i would sell for not much more
than that, so i'm not sure what a deal it is

On 6/22/06, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Rick Knoble wrote:

 http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/car/173934546.html

Sweet. Just look at that interior. Wrong shifter, it looks like.
I've got an '87 fender and turn signal (silver, not tan).
For $375 it looks like a very good deal if it drives well.
Is Fred Johnson of Chicago still with us?

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[MBZ] Jacking procedures W126 (85 300SD)

2006-06-22 Thread George Larribeau
I have not yet worked a procedure that I am comfortable with jacking up the 
front of my car. I have a decent floor jack and can get it to interface with 
the underside jack point that has the rubber pad under the car ( near the side 
entry point for the factory jack). The problem with this: is where do I put the 
jack stand? ( I always use jack stands). So far I have only done minor things 
with only one side of car jacked up. Main load has remained on floor jack but 
had jack stand under the welded diagonal part of the body near by. I have not 
attempted to put the full load on the jack stand on this however it would hold 
in an jack failure (maybe bending underside a little..). However this is not 
what I am looking for. Want to find a method of having the car rest on the jack 
stands in a secure manner without making the car 'un-happy'

George Larribeau
Dallas, Texas

1985 300SD 190K


Re: [MBZ] **wiring harness on the W140 Diesel **

2006-06-22 Thread Marshall Booth

Peter Frederick wrote:
PIddling about at low speed carbons things up pretty badly on a 601, 
and a full throttle run will blow out all the loose stuff, pretty 
spectacular if it's been a while.  Most of it is probably loose soot in 
the exhaust.


My personal tonic these days is some contaminated fuel I add a quart 
or so of per tank -- one of my colleague's wife filled her car up with 
diesel fuel a couple years ago, so he was stuck with the ten gallons or 
so of gasoline with diesel in it.  Not enough to prevent the car from 
running (poorly!), and it burns in the lawn mowers, but not well 
(carbon fouls the plugs, smokes).  A bit in a full tank of fuel and the 
300D just purrs!


The one benefit of filling your diesel's tank with a few gallons of 
gasoline is that it sure cleans out the fuel system and injection pump!!


Not good to do it often, but a shot every few years is likely to do some 
good and is unlikely to cause much harm.


Personally, I prefer a qt of conventional 10W-30 oil.

Marshall
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190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)




Re: [MBZ] Jacking procedures W126 (85 300SD)

2006-06-22 Thread Chuck Landenberger

George,

I was successful putting a good sized floor jack under the  
crossmember behind the oil pan.  Did make a rubber pad from piece of  
tire tread for contact point.  That raises both front wheels off at  
the same time.  This way you will have unencumbered access for the  
jackstands on the frame rails on both sides.
As for the rear wheels, use the differential as the jack point.   
Never caused me a problem.


Used this method on my 80 300SD (W116)..  Now in a Kalamazoo MI  
home.


Hope this helps.

Take care,

Chuck
 .
On Jun 22, 2006, at 1:31 PM, George Larribeau wrote:

I have not yet worked a procedure that I am comfortable with  
jacking up the front of my car. I have a decent floor jack and can  
get it to interface with the underside jack point that has the  
rubber pad under the car ( near the side entry point for the  
factory jack). The problem with this: is where do I put the jack  
stand? ( I always use jack stands). So far I have only done minor  
things with only one side of car jacked up. Main load has remained  
on floor jack but had jack stand under the welded diagonal part of  
the body near by. I have not attempted to put the full load on the  
jack stand on this however it would hold in an jack failure (maybe  
bending underside a little..). However this is not what I am  
looking for. Want to find a method of having the car rest on the  
jack stands in a secure manner without making the car 'un-happy'


George Larribeau
Dallas, Texas

1985 300SD 190K
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Re: [MBZ] A/C problem on 126

2006-06-22 Thread Marshall Booth

Donald Snook wrote:



The air is not really getting warmer and I can still hear the blower
motor running, but I am not getting good flow from the center vents.
The symptom has not repeated itself in over a week.  Perhaps it was just
too hot and I was pushing it too hard. 


Sounds like vacuum leak (probably an actuator has cracked) and without 
high vacuum to overcome the leak, the system defaults to defrost.


The things I described would shut off the compressor - not change the 
air distribution.


Marshall
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190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)




Re: [MBZ] P/S Filter ?? 85 300SD

2006-06-22 Thread Marshall Booth

Curt Raymond wrote:

Hi George,
   
  Yeah as far as I know ATF is good into the very early '90s. I've never had a 126 but my 123 and 201s have been very insensitive to fluid level. My 190D didn't make untoward noises until the resevior was empty...

  Every time I change the oil I stick the topsider in there and slurp out the 
fluid down to the filter and refill. Once I year I pull the filter and use the 
topsider to pull out all the fluid it can reach. Then put in a new filter and 
refill.
  With my 240D the first few times I did it the fluid I pulled out was a bit 
darker than the good stuff I put in but rapidly cleared out. On the 190D the 
gunk I pulled out was gross, then its only a bit dark and since it all leaked 
out and I refilled its not bad at all...
   
  I'm sure people who know more about the 126 will chime in.


Changing the PS fluid with oil and replacing the filter yearly is HUGH 
overkill. Even rather quite anal mechanics haven't suggested changing 
the fluid/filter more often then every 30kmi, and many have suggested a 
60-90kmi interval. Mercedes lists NO current routine change interval - 
only that it be topped up at every major service (15kmi) and if it is 
leaking, that be repaired. In service for pre '81 cars, the filter 
should be replaced every 30kmi.


Marshall
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190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)




Re: [MBZ] P/S Filter ?? 85 300SD

2006-06-22 Thread Marshall Booth

Dave Wakin wrote:
You do not want to use ATF for PS. The ATF of today is very different then 
the ATF of the 80's, and the new stuff will eat the seals and cause leaks.


Stick with PS fluid.


Mercedes cars came from the factory thru 1987 with ATF in the PS system. 
It remains perfectly acceptable to continue to use it with only one 
problem. The current Dexron II/III/Mercon fluids are a bit stiff in VERY 
cold weather. Using Mobil 1 ATF deals with that.


You CAN also use the Mercedes specific fluid for these older cars, but 
it is NOT necessary or even particularly desirable (it doesn't lubricate 
quite as well as ATF).


Marshall
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190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)




Re: [MBZ] 79 300D Normal Coolant Temperature

2006-06-22 Thread Marshall Booth

Peter Merle wrote:

I still ( after 5 years ) am not sure if I have a cooling problem with
my 300D. Temperatures climb to 98degC when climbing a 200m hill that is
3 km is length ( average inclination 15:1 ) Normal temperature is some
82 deg. Fast ( 120km/h ) driving also results in higher temperatures (
95 deg ). Ambient temperature 25degC. Is this normal  or should I
change radiator - ( I have changed pump, thermostat, fan-coupler )


Sounds perfectly normal.

Marshall
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190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)




Re: [MBZ] NY eBay parts SDL

2006-06-22 Thread David Brodbeck
Mike Canfield wrote:
 Mitch,
   You are on the same track as I.  I am looking at a exhaust to air and 
 coolant to air heat exchangers to start out with and then plumb in baseboard 
 heat as I can afford.

Exhaust-to-air: Try to track down a junked 1972-1979 VW Bus.  The bigger
Type IV engine that was used for those years had a pair of
exhaust-to-air heat exchangers for cabin heat.  These were much bigger
and sturdier than the ones used on Beetles and earlier buses.  The outer
jackets sometimes rust out or get full of oil, but the inner exhaust
tubes and their cast-aluminum fins generally hold up pretty well.  The
1980-1982 air-cooled VW Vanagon probably used the same design.




Re: [MBZ] Jacking procedures W126 (85 300SD)

2006-06-22 Thread Marshall Booth

Chuck Landenberger wrote:

George,

I was successful putting a good sized floor jack under the  
crossmember behind the oil pan.  Did make a rubber pad from piece of  
tire tread for contact point.  That raises both front wheels off at  
the same time.  This way you will have unencumbered access for the  
jackstands on the frame rails on both sides.
As for the rear wheels, use the differential as the jack point.   
Never caused me a problem.


Used this method on my 80 300SD (W116)..  Now in a Kalamazoo MI  
home.


What Chuck said is what I've always done and what I've seen done by the 
mechanics I've used!


Marshall
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'87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 
190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)




Re: [MBZ] Amazing July specials from BuyMBparts.com

2006-06-22 Thread David Brodbeck
Craig McCluskey wrote:
 Then go for Linux, or OpenBSD.
   

That's pretty much what I did.  I still keep a Windows 2000 partition
around for running games, AutoCAD, and stuff like that, but most of the
time I use SUSE Linux.




Re: [MBZ] Amazing July specials from BuyMBparts.com

2006-06-22 Thread John Berryman


On Jun 22, 2006, at 1:17 PM, Rusty Cullens wrote:


But my father is in a nursing home in Atlanta. Not in Oklahoma.


Bring him to the party, if he's fit enough.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am



Re: [MBZ] **wiring harness on the W140 Diesel **

2006-06-22 Thread Peter Frederick

Marshal:

Motor oil is rather to have the solvent effect of gasoline, and I 
rather suspect the gas just makes the fuel easier to ignite (i.e. 
raises the Cetane index a bit).  After all, we are talking a quart or 
less in a full 20 gal tank, and it's not all gasoline.


I don't want to put more in, as Benz does not recommend adding gasoline 
to the tank in the 60x series.  This may simply be that winter fuel 
isn't so hard to come by at the appropriate times of year or that 
additives are better, I don't know -- it is possible that a large 
amount of gasoline will damage the IP, something I definitely want to 
avoid!


Peter




Re: [MBZ] NY eBay parts SDL

2006-06-22 Thread Jim Cathey
HHH...Maybe a new cogen system powerplant.How well do 
these

engines like 1800RPM or so continuously I wonder?


It's a bit low for optimum torque.  I think most MB engines would
be happier at about 2400 RPM.  My genset plans always include a
transmission as well for this reason.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] P/S Filter ?? 85 300SD

2006-06-22 Thread John Berryman


On Jun 22, 2006, at 1:30 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:


Is Mobil 1 ATF OK in the PS in my 85 300SD? (it is currently in my
transmission)


	Yes, it's fine for your car. Pull out the filter and change the  
fluid 3-4 times. This will get whatever is in there out and all fresh  
fluid in. Driving around for a few minutes (or putting it on jack  
stands) making a lot of turns between changes will circulate fluid  
and help clean. It only takes about a qt to do it this way.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am



Re: [MBZ] P/S Filter ?? 85 300SD

2006-06-22 Thread John Berryman


On Jun 22, 2006, at 1:56 PM, Dave Wakin wrote:

You do not want to use ATF for PS. The ATF of today is very  
different then
the ATF of the 80's, and the new stuff will eat the seals and cause  
leaks.


Stick with PS fluid.

Dave W


There is absolutely no reason not to use Dexron 3 w/Mercron or  
whatever Dexron# it's up to. Just don't use leak-stop trans fluid or  
anything similar. Mobil-1 or Amsoil synthetic ATF is perfect for your  
car.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am