Re: [MBZ] rusty turd
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaleb I happen to like the Sears Bias Ply tires and snow tires on the rear. And the spare. Hey, it's only flat on one side!
Re: [MBZ] Octane and detonation....
Larry said... You wrote about octane and detonation: making it more likely to detonate rather than burn smoothly across the chamber. In essence you are adding a heavier component to make it burn slower to reduce the problem of detonation Hi Royce, Is that your way of saying the higher octane detonates later and therefore closer to the time when the piston reaches TDC - or almost? - I'm assuming TDC is the best place to ignite the mixture for max HP and other ignition points are preferable if lower emissions, etc are the objective? Hi Larry, Bear in mind that I'm not an automotive engineer, and my petroleum engineering experience was focused on how to get more of it out of the ground. Having said that, it is my understanding that the optimal way for fuel to burn in the cylinder is for it to burn smoothly through the cylinder space. Detonation occurs when the fuel air mixture explodes...i.e. burns in multiple places at the same time. This can happen when the fuel mixture contains components that ignite much like a diesel..i.e. it reaches a combustion temperature and pressure and cooks off. When that happens, more of the fuel energy is converted to heat, rather than doing useful work like driving the piston down. A smooth combustion results in maximum energy conversion from fuel energy to pressure energy. I don't have the experience to say which ignition points are more preferable, or where the optimal ignition point is in the cycleI was just impressed by the concept that adding more heavy components would improve performance by making the mixture burn more slowly (-:. Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 293K
[MBZ] replacing fuel return lines
Bought some new fuel return line from Rusty (the small diameter, fabric-wrapped line that runs between the injectors) since several sections of mine are damp with fuel. It looks like this is just a push-on fit, but I tugged at one and it did not pull off. The fabric seemed to be acting like a chinese finger handcuff -- tightening as I pulled. Do I need to cut off the old line, or is there some secret technique to removing it? Or just pull harder? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] 220D doors
Explain Grays? Both wing windows are there Umm, they would be gray? In color. are 1972 model year doors in that nasty cream/white color. And that would be the answer. My doors are rusting badly, but paint is outside of the realm of possibility. I just parked it inside, for about the first time ever. (On my watch.) Had to do some serious rearrangement of the garage again to get the 450 SL crosswise along the front. -- Jim
[MBZ] OT: Saab 96?
I know we talked about something like this some time ago but... A guy I know has an old v4 Saab (four stroke), he thinks its a 95 but he also says its a sedan which makes me think its a 96. He's insistant its a v4 so I don't think its a 99. Anyway he wants $600 for it, its supposed to be in good shape, no rust, running nice only problem being its a v4 Saab so nobody in central MA seems to want it, and the ignition is messed up so it needs to be hotwired to get it running. We still need a car for my wife to keep her from running the 12mpg pickup. Anybody know what I could expect from a 95/96 as a daily driver? She only needs to go 20 miles a day. Yeah yeah, I know its crazy, but for $600 I'm pretty much willing to give it a shot for a couple weeks anyway. If I've got it on the road I figure it'll be easier to sell, and I've got contacts on the net maybe I can resell for a better price if it really is in decent shape. -Curt __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Jan 07 05:42:13 2007 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.228]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H3QnM-0004rN-JT for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 05:42:13 + Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h30so7603967wxd for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 21:39:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.100.2 with SMTP id x2mr1516400agb.1168148356108; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 21:39:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.63.13 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 21:39:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 23:39:16 -0600 From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9.cp1 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Saab 96? X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 05:42:14 - If you don't get any input here, let me know, and I can post some questions to the Saab list if you'd like. Brian On 1/6/07, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know we talked about something like this some time ago but... A guy I know has an old v4 Saab (four stroke), he thinks its a 95 but he also says its a sedan which makes me think its a 96. He's insistant its a v4 so I don't think its a 99. Anyway he wants $600 for it, its supposed to be in good shape, no rust, running nice only problem being its a v4 Saab so nobody in central MA seems to want it, and the ignition is messed up so it needs to be hotwired to get it running. We still need a car for my wife to keep her from running the 12mpg pickup. Anybody know what I could expect from a 95/96 as a daily driver? She only needs to go 20 miles a day. Yeah yeah, I know its crazy, but for $600 I'm pretty much willing to give it a shot for a couple weeks anyway. If I've got it on the road I figure it'll be easier to sell, and I've got contacts on the net maybe I can resell for a better price if it really is in decent shape. -Curt __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Saab 96?
in a word, quirky. On 1/7/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you don't get any input here, let me know, and I can post some questions to the Saab list if you'd like. Brian On 1/6/07, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know we talked about something like this some time ago but... A guy I know has an old v4 Saab (four stroke), he thinks its a 95 but he also says its a sedan which makes me think its a 96. He's insistant its a v4 so I don't think its a 99. Anyway he wants $600 for it, its supposed to be in good shape, no rust, running nice only problem being its a v4 Saab so nobody in central MA seems to want it, and the ignition is messed up so it needs to be hotwired to get it running. We still need a car for my wife to keep her from running the 12mpg pickup. Anybody know what I could expect from a 95/96 as a daily driver? She only needs to go 20 miles a day. Yeah yeah, I know its crazy, but for $600 I'm pretty much willing to give it a shot for a couple weeks anyway. If I've got it on the road I figure it'll be easier to sell, and I've got contacts on the net maybe I can resell for a better price if it really is in decent shape. -Curt __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 290Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
[MBZ] To start or to let slumber
I know this was touched upon in fairly recent times, but bear with me. Basic issue: It involves my 240D which I am not going to drive until sometime this late Spring when all the salt/sand is off the roads Would it be better for the vehicle's health if I started it periodically? If so, how often? - or - Would it be better for the vehicle's health if I let it sit undisturbed until I intend to actually drive it? And why would it be better? Bear in mind that I do intend to tend the battery. But I do not intend to do anything else, like drain the fuel tank (though I have put in some Heat water remover). Also, does letting it go a long time without starting allow air to enter the fuel system in any way? Brian 83 240D
Re: [MBZ] To start or to let slumber
Would it be better for the vehicle's health if I let it sit undisturbed until I intend to actually drive it? And why would it be better? That is a relatively short time, if inside especially, for anything but the battery and the fuel tank. And you have those covered. I'm sure that'll be best for it. If you don't run it for long enough each time to completely cook combustion moisture out of everything you'll do more harm than good. And it takes quite an idle to fully heat up, nor is extended idling particularly good for it. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] replacing fuel return lines
seemed to be acting like a chinese finger handcuff -- tightening as I pulled. Do I need to cut off the old line, or is there some secret technique to removing it? Or just pull harder? Brute force. Just be sure not to nick or mar the hose fittings when you do finally take pliers or a knife to it. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Octane and detonation....
space. Detonation occurs when the fuel air mixture explodes...i.e. burns in multiple places at the same time. This can happen when the fuel mixture contains components that ignite much like a diesel..i.e. it reaches a combustion temperature and pressure and cooks off. When that happens, more of the fuel energy is converted to heat, rather than doing useful work like driving the piston down. A smooth combustion results in maximum energy conversion from fuel energy to pressure energy. Heat _is_ what provides useful work. But too fast/soon and it ends up making cylinder pressure where the crankshaft can't extract the energy from it, so that energy goes into beating the engine apart instead. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Octane and detonation....
Proper combustion in a spark ignition engine is for the spark to ignite the air/fuel mixture at the correct time for peak pressure to occur a few degrees after TDC, and for the fuel mixture to burn at the correct rate for the flame front to consume the vast majority of the fuel before being quenched by contact with the head, cylinder walls, or a space too small for the flame front to continue to propagate (the quench zone in a wedge head design). The key here is that the combustion MUST be slow enough to produce a pulse of pressure that drives the piston down for as long as possible during the power stroke -- when combustion becomes too rapid, pressure and temperature rise too fast and the cylinder will become filled with a combustion gas mixture too hot for the materials. Detonation is just that -- and explosion of the air/fuel mixture, usually not triggered by the timed ignition spark. In the worst case, it is triggered by an overheated spark plug long enough before TDC to produce a very high temperature zone extending out from the spark plug, acting as a superheated torch. The heat from the flame thus produced can burn a hole right through the pistons if the spark plug points at them -- this was a problem with Alfa Romeo twin-cam hemi-heads in the 60s and 70s -- a tank full of regular gas and a highway run would produce holes in the pistons about 1/4 in diameter that looked as if machined there. Nasty. The overpressure before TDC from detonation (which cannot be heard at highway speeds, unlike spark knock or premature ignition) does a number of other bad things -- it can cause enough crankpin pressure to wipe the oil film off the crank journals, causing bearing failure, it can melt piston crowns (or drill holes in them into the crankcase), can seriously overheat valves, and can even cause flame cutting of piston rings, where the flame from detonation (again, usually extending straight out from the spark plug) can burn down the side of the piston and cause ring failure. Not pretty. Higher octane fuels indeed burn slower. They are also harder to ignite, so are more resistant to compression ignition. The slower combustion rate reduces the tendency to detonate, will reduce or eliminate premature combustion (spark knock), and lower peak temperatures and pressures while extending the high pressure duration during the power stroke. Peter
Re: [MBZ] replacing fuel return lines
Take a pair of good needle nosed pliers a grip the line off-center so that it will tear off the nipple as you crush the part between the jaws. A bit harder to describe than do, but what you want is to grab enough of the hose beside the nipple to cause it to fail without gouging into the nipple. If the hose has become glassy and hard, crunch it off in a similar way, but check to make sure a chunk hasn't stuck somewhere and stayed on the nipple -- it will neatly slide the new hose open. Don't try to just pull the hose off, you can bend the nipple. Peter
Re: [MBZ] OT: Saab 96?
What was the number of the Sonett? Mine had the V4 --- -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] replacing fuel return lines
Slice through the fabric, but not all the way through the rubber line - twist a lot, pull, etc. - -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] To start or to let slumber
Zoltan Finks wrote: Would it be better for the vehicle's health if I started it periodically? If so, how often? - or - Would it be better for the vehicle's health if I let it sit undisturbed until I intend to actually drive it? And why would it be better? I vote for undisturbed. Starting the engine and letting it idle doesn't get the oil hot enough to cook off the water that's a byproduct of the combustion process. The result can be corrosion due to the oil becoming acidic. I would change the oil before parking it and then leave it undisturbed. As for the fuel tank, put in some fuel stabilizer and then fill it up. Minimizing the amount of air in the tank will decrease the amount of water that collects from condensation. We're only talking a few months here, which isn't all that long to store a car. You probably don't need to take any other precautions, other than putting some kind of trickle charger on the battery. Make sure the tires stay inflated, though; low tires will flat-spot badly in storage and might be ruined.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Audi Allroad?
I ended up with a wrecked '89 Audi 90 Quattro (w/diff lock) that I picked up for $250. I stripped it down, and it needs a new front clip, but all the damaged parts are bolt-on items, and can be easily found for cheap. Didn't hit the frame rails and just smacked the cam sprocket and auxilliary radiator, which can be bipassed. The interior is in wonderful shape, with killer seats I wish could be adapted to fit my TD. Should make a nice sub $1k winter rig, as an interim solution until something better comes along. On 1/1/07, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm presently wrestling with the wife over which vehicle we'll get to replace her aging 123 clunker. She's adamantly convinced she needs an AWD vehicle for her alpine-related program activities (x-country ski, hike, snowshoe, etc.), but I think it's stoopid to lug all that 4WD stuff around for the rest of the 99.% time you don't need it. I don't think logic is going to prevail, so...does anyone know much about the Audi Allroador A6 Avant Quattro, etc.? They seem like a nifty rig, if you're into that sort of thing. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k) '84 300D (218k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] replacing fuel return lines
I did have a time with a couple of them on my 300D and 300CD. The 'cD had the worst ones which were TOTALLY dried out and broke into pieces at the slightest tug, of course, right at the barb! I picked at them gently with a knife which did the trick. There's no Diesel smell under the hood of the 300SD, so she's good for now although I have enough line to do the job when the time comes. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 265K miles, Ursula
Re: [MBZ] OT: Audi Allroad?
I ended up with a wrecked '89 Audi 90 Quattro (w/diff lock) that I picked up for $250. Is this the one equipped with the 20 valve 5 banger? I can always tell when one drives by, even the older 5000's. Diesel content: an Audi 5000 diesel sounds like a thrashing machine compared to a properly tuned Mercedes diesel engine. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 265K miles, Ursula
Re: [MBZ] OT: Saab 96?
OK Don wrote: What was the number of the Sonett? Mine had the V4 --- I believe the wagon was the 95 and the sedan was the 96, with the Sonnett III being 97. The early Sonnett may have been 97 also. I thought the S-III (1970's) was a very cool looking car, but the S-I (1960's) was just quirky.
Re: [MBZ] replacing fuel return lines
Allan a pair of 45 degree angle needle nose pliers is what I use. Kind of use a grip, left and right spin, and pull move. When they pop off try not to have the spaz reaction pliers kick back and hit the little beveled ends o the injector nozzle. Also check that your 17 mm nuts (?) of your hard line fuel rack are tight an not causing the false indication that the return lines are leaking. I have had this happen to me in the past Regards Tom Scordato 1979240D - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 11:26 PM Subject: [MBZ] replacing fuel return lines Bought some new fuel return line from Rusty (the small diameter, fabric-wrapped line that runs between the injectors) since several sections of mine are damp with fuel. It looks like this is just a push-on fit, but I tugged at one and it did not pull off. The fabric seemed to be acting like a chinese finger handcuff -- tightening as I pulled. Do I need to cut off the old line, or is there some secret technique to removing it? Or just pull harder? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Monovalve insert
The valve uses an electromagnet to drive the plunger up down. I wonder of the thick steel washer is needed to complete the magnetic circuit? If so then stainless steel will not work. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn M. Brown Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 2:43 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Monovalve insert Re: Message: 12 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 22:48:21 -0800 From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Monovalve insert To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Of the three washers sitting on top of the monovalve insert shaft, I had lost the 1st one in '96 but all seemed to work OK with just the wavy steel washer and the wide, thick washer on top. When I recently replaced the monovalve insert, I found a thin washer to place on 1st and on top of this placed the wavy steel washer and a wide thick stainless washer. The top seemed to sit on flush with the monovalve housing prior to installing/tightening the four screws. Results - heat only in defrost mode, all other settings heat would disppear suggesting... Remember that the monovalve is a PWM device, and needs to move back and forth up to about once a second (or a bit slower). If the 'wrong' washer business screws up its mechanical response time, either due to sapping magnetic field or due to locating the guts of the monovalve incorrectly, you could well get a valve that doesn't work right for PWM but can let coolant through when completely unpowered (as it is for DEFROST). -- Jim?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office / I just got back from taking the 300D for a ride to determine if the current washer combination on the monovalve insert would get me back to regulated heat (Note: The 1st washer replaces the original which I lost in '96 and is a thin one I found at Sears, the 2nd washer is the standard wavy steel washer which comes with the monovalve repair kit, and the top washer is the original thick, wide steel washer). Viola, I've got regulated heat again. The only problem here is trying to understand why. You see, all was working OK with only the wavy steel washer and the original thick, wide steel washer on top prior to the crack/tear in the neoprene diaphragm of the monovalve. Since the original thick, wide steel washer on top was somewhat corroded, I decided to replace this with a stainless washer when I replaced the monovalve insert, but this replacement stainless washer wasn't exactly the same size as the original. After installing the first thin washer, which I found at Sears, the wavy steel washer, and the stainless replacement washer with the new monovalve insert, I had no regulated heat on a trip from Pbgh. to Roch. and only had heat on the defrost setting. I've now replaced the replacement stainless top washer with the original steel top washer which I POR-15nd*. This combination appears to work and there doesn't seem to be any leaks at the housing even though the top doesn't sit flush (~1/16?) on the housing prior to tightening the four screws. Here's the weird part: Thickness (mm) ID (in.) OD (in.) Original 1st (bottom) washer? ?? Wavy steel (middle) washer 0.45 3/4 1 1/4 Original 3rd (top) washer*2.45 5/8 1 1/2 Sears thin washer (1st repl.)1.12 5/8 1 Stainless top (repl.) washer 25/8 1 3/8 Prior to the crack/tear in the neoprene diaphragm of the previous monovalve, the washers in place total ~ 2.9mm and I had regulated heat prior to the neoprene diaphragm cracking/tearing. After replacing the monovalve insert and using a different combination of washers totaling ~ 3.57mm, I had no regulated heat and only had heat on the defrost setting. The current combination of washers installed total ~ 4.02mm and regulated heat appears to be functioning properly. Go figure. G. M. Brown Rochester, NY ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Octane and detonation....
Peter, THANK YOU for that illuminating explanation. I knew some of the basics, but your explanation filled in a LOT of holeskind of a gestalt...to use the German term ;-) Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 293K -Original Message- From: Peter Frederick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 12:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Octane and detonation Proper combustion in a spark ignition engine is for the spark to ignite the air/fuel mixture at the correct time for peak pressure to occur a few degrees after TDC, and for the fuel mixture to burn at the correct rate for the flame front to consume the vast majority of the fuel before being quenched by contact with the head, cylinder walls, or a space too small for the flame front to continue to propagate (the quench zone in a wedge head design). The key here is that the combustion MUST be slow enough to produce a pulse of pressure that drives the piston down for as long as possible during the power stroke -- when combustion becomes too rapid, pressure and temperature rise too fast and the cylinder will become filled with a combustion gas mixture too hot for the materials. Detonation is just that -- and explosion of the air/fuel mixture, usually not triggered by the timed ignition spark. In the worst case, it is triggered by an overheated spark plug long enough before TDC to produce a very high temperature zone extending out from the spark plug, acting as a superheated torch. The heat from the flame thus produced can burn a hole right through the pistons if the spark plug points at them -- this was a problem with Alfa Romeo twin-cam hemi-heads in the 60s and 70s -- a tank full of regular gas and a highway run would produce holes in the pistons about 1/4 in diameter that looked as if machined there. Nasty. The overpressure before TDC from detonation (which cannot be heard at highway speeds, unlike spark knock or premature ignition) does a number of other bad things -- it can cause enough crankpin pressure to wipe the oil film off the crank journals, causing bearing failure, it can melt piston crowns (or drill holes in them into the crankcase), can seriously overheat valves, and can even cause flame cutting of piston rings, where the flame from detonation (again, usually extending straight out from the spark plug) can burn down the side of the piston and cause ring failure. Not pretty. Higher octane fuels indeed burn slower. They are also harder to ignite, so are more resistant to compression ignition. The slower combustion rate reduces the tendency to detonate, will reduce or eliminate premature combustion (spark knock), and lower peak temperatures and pressures while extending the high pressure duration during the power stroke. Peter
[MBZ] OT Saab 96
Hi, Curt. IF the car is truly rost frei and the transmission shifts properly, the only other thing that might be needed is an exhaust. This is from memory and CRS is creeping up on me. I've had 2 stroke and V4 96 sedans and a V4 95 wagon and a V4 97. You met Luke once and he has a lot of very used Saab parts and 2 horrible 97's buried under his firewood. OCD. I loved my 66 V4 96 silver engine and my 67 95 blue engine cars. The 2 strokes were good esp. the Monte Carlo. Makes like a Yamaha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! (Sorry only 4 speed.). No, I'm not nuts, it's just that I view the world from a slightly different angle! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel diet only these days.
Re: [MBZ] Octane and detonation....
Thanks Royce, You wrote:Detonation occurs when the fuel air mixture explodes...i.e. burns in multiple places at the same time. This can happen when the fuel mixture contains components that ignite much like a diesel..i.e. it reaches a combustion temperature and pressure and cooks off. Detonation to me always meant: the fuel is compressed as the piston rises, and the pressure of the compression generates heat and ignites low octane fuels - which may be what you said in different wording. This is why accurate valve adjustment and rings in good condition is so important in diesels. Higher octane fuels resist this pre-ignition (as detonation is also called I believe) and allows higher compression and therefore higher horsepower. What amazes me is how diesel is refined precisely so a pre-determined ignition can be obtained allowing diesel to be used on everything from a Peterbuilt to a Isuzu Diesel. But I guess all diesels must operate at/near the same pressures. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 10:41 PM Subject: RE: [MBZ] Re: Octane and detonation Larry said... You wrote about octane and detonation: making it more likely to detonate rather than burn smoothly across the chamber. In essence you are adding a heavier component to make it burn slower to reduce the problem of detonation Hi Royce, Is that your way of saying the higher octane detonates later and therefore closer to the time when the piston reaches TDC - or almost? - I'm assuming TDC is the best place to ignite the mixture for max HP and other ignition points are preferable if lower emissions, etc are the objective? Hi Larry, Bear in mind that I'm not an automotive engineer, and my petroleum engineering experience was focused on how to get more of it out of the ground. Having said that, it is my understanding that the optimal way for fuel to burn in the cylinder is for it to burn smoothly through the cylinder space. Detonation occurs when the fuel air mixture explodes...i.e. burns in multiple places at the same time. This can happen when the fuel mixture contains components that ignite much like a diesel..i.e. it reaches a combustion temperature and pressure and cooks off. When that happens, more of the fuel energy is converted to heat, rather than doing useful work like driving the piston down. A smooth combustion results in maximum energy conversion from fuel energy to pressure energy. I don't have the experience to say which ignition points are more preferable, or where the optimal ignition point is in the cycleI was just impressed by the concept that adding more heavy components would improve performance by making the mixture burn more slowly (-:. Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 293K -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.6/617 - Release Date: 1/5/2007
Re: [MBZ] Octane and detonation....
Thanks Peter - for that excellent explanation/ On a similar topic - when a cylinder head uses twin plugs - like some competition Porsches - when does the 2nd SP fire? At the same time as the 1st? Slightly afterward? Thx - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 1:43 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Octane and detonation Proper combustion in a spark ignition engine is for the spark to ignite the air/fuel mixture at the correct time for peak pressure to occur a few degrees after TDC, and for the fuel mixture to burn at the correct rate for the flame front to consume the vast majority of the fuel before being quenched by contact with the head, cylinder walls, or a space too small for the flame front to continue to propagate (the quench zone in a wedge head design). The key here is that the combustion MUST be slow enough to produce a pulse of pressure that drives the piston down for as long as possible during the power stroke -- when combustion becomes too rapid, pressure and temperature rise too fast and the cylinder will become filled with a combustion gas mixture too hot for the materials. Detonation is just that -- and explosion of the air/fuel mixture, usually not triggered by the timed ignition spark. In the worst case, it is triggered by an overheated spark plug long enough before TDC to produce a very high temperature zone extending out from the spark plug, acting as a superheated torch. The heat from the flame thus produced can burn a hole right through the pistons if the spark plug points at them -- this was a problem with Alfa Romeo twin-cam hemi-heads in the 60s and 70s -- a tank full of regular gas and a highway run would produce holes in the pistons about 1/4 in diameter that looked as if machined there. Nasty. The overpressure before TDC from detonation (which cannot be heard at highway speeds, unlike spark knock or premature ignition) does a number of other bad things -- it can cause enough crankpin pressure to wipe the oil film off the crank journals, causing bearing failure, it can melt piston crowns (or drill holes in them into the crankcase), can seriously overheat valves, and can even cause flame cutting of piston rings, where the flame from detonation (again, usually extending straight out from the spark plug) can burn down the side of the piston and cause ring failure. Not pretty. Higher octane fuels indeed burn slower. They are also harder to ignite, so are more resistant to compression ignition. The slower combustion rate reduces the tendency to detonate, will reduce or eliminate premature combustion (spark knock), and lower peak temperatures and pressures while extending the high pressure duration during the power stroke. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.6/617 - Release Date: 1/5/2007
Re: [MBZ] cheap 2.5 turbo
You wrote:cheap 2.5 turbo With over 8 days remaining, I doubt it'll be cheap for long. ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin, Cox Auto Trader [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 3:50 PM Subject: [MBZ] cheap 2.5 turbo http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300D-DIESEL-1991-300D-DIESEL-SMOKE-FREE-in-FLORIDA-at-NO-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ330071864350QQihZ014QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.6/617 - Release Date: 1/5/2007
Re: [MBZ] OT: Saab 96?
Hi, OK Don, et al. It was one of the first of the V4' Twos, red engine and nicely curved bodywork, not that angular POS Three that required keyhole surgery just to check to the oil. I had to do a clutch on a three, late model black engine, what a pain in the fundament! I was (much) younger then and drove aggressively, i.e. like a complete moron! Fred Moir Lynn MA At 02:15 AM 1/7/2007, you wrote: What was the number of the Sonett? Mine had the V4 --- -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Octane and detonation....
What amazes me is how diesel is refined precisely so a pre-determined ignition can be obtained allowing diesel to be used on everything from a Peterbuilt to a Isuzu Diesel. But I guess all diesels must operate at/near the same pressures. Ha! Precise refining? How about thinly-strained dinosaur? At least, that's how it used to be when diesel engines were first deployed. That's the beauty of injecting fuel only when you're ready for it to burn. No detonation at all, all you need is enough compression, and extra doesn't really hurt. (Except mechanically.) Hence the 1-4 atm. of turbo pressure in turbodiesels. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] OT: Audi Allroad?
one drives by, even the older 5000's. Diesel content: an Audi 5000 diesel sounds like a thrashing machine compared to a properly tuned Mercedes diesel Freudian slip? Probably you meant threshing machine, but I kind of like the mental picture I got from what you said! -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Octane and detonation....
Ah, but there is no fuel in the cylinder until the injection pump fires it in! This is the secret of diesels, and the basis of R. Diesels patents. Lister cylcle engines use compression ignition by atomizing diesel fuel into the air and igniting it by compression of the mixture AND a spark, not by injection, which is why they must be started on gasoline with a spark ignition. Low compression, to say the least. Diesels WILL run with a fuel/air mix, but there is no control over the ignition timing that way. I know at least one person who had a VW diesel get return holes in the head plugged up, and when the oil filled the valve cover and spilled over into the intake on the highway had QUITE a full throttle run until it all burned out Peter
[MBZ] [Fwd: [Banned] Kaleb's long lost Uncle's Estate]
check this out Original Message Subject: [Banned] Kaleb's long lost Uncle's Estate Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 19:48:35 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _Click here: MillerAuction_ (http://coolcatcorp.com/millerauction/MillerAuction.html) I would have like to have known these people before it was too late. The Soviet State wound up with most of the wealth. John Gregg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/banned_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Octane and detonation....
That I do not know -- I would GUESS that the most ignitable portion of the fuel/air mix is in different locations in the cylinder under different operating condition, and low power output/miss is a result with a single plug. There might also be a quench area that prevents proper flame propagation, or the chamber may simple be too large for a single flame front to burn all the fuel in the correct time frame (this is why, I think, that aircraft engines had 4 plugs per cylinder -- 4360 ci x 32 cylinders -- pretty big jugs!). I would assume they fire at the same time, but don't know that for a fact. Peter On Jan 7, 2007, at 9:48 AM, LarryT wrote: Thanks Peter - for that excellent explanation/ On a similar topic - when a cylinder head uses twin plugs - like some competition Porsches - when does the 2nd SP fire? At the same time as the 1st? Slightly afterward? Thx - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
Re: [MBZ] OT: Audi Allroad?
Yeah, those Audi/VW/Volvo diesel are noisy, especially at idle. The worst offender is actually the vaccum pump, as the operating rod is in two parts. They clack. It also has much more combustion noise, as the prechambers are much smaller and more open. It does turn out quite a bit of power, though, and is higher compression (105 hp on 2.4L) -- factory compression is supposed to be 23:1, but with manufacturing variables, it tends to run a big high -- sometimes 26:1 on a new engine. Turbo boost is fairly low (10.5 psi limit). Volvo makes marine engines with similar high compression and output -- great fun to read the specifications as they weigh quite a bit less and are somewhat smaller than the equivalent Detroits. Peter
Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: [Banned] Kaleb's long lost Uncle's Estate]
OMG and my neighbours think I'M bad That is fascinating but very, very sad. Mac on 1/7/07 11:58 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: check this out Original Message Subject: [Banned] Kaleb's long lost Uncle's Estate Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 19:48:35 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _Click here: MillerAuction_ (http://coolcatcorp.com/millerauction/MillerAuction.html) I would have like to have known these people before it was too late. The Soviet State wound up with most of the wealth. John Gregg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/banned_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cheap 2.5 turbo
probably not. The most disturbing part of the car though is this model is prewired for CD changer in the trunk. Why on earth would somebody rip out the factory head unit and install that crappy aftermarket radio? LarryT wrote: You wrote:cheap 2.5 turbo With over 8 days remaining, I doubt it'll be cheap for long. ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin, Cox Auto Trader [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 3:50 PM Subject: [MBZ] cheap 2.5 turbo http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300D-DIESEL-1991-300D-DIESEL-SMOKE-FREE-in-FLORIDA-at-NO-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ330071864350QQihZ014QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.6/617 - Release Date: 1/5/2007 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Octane and detonation....
If I were Kaleb, I would preface this with 'Bzzzt, wrong.' But I am not so I won't. The Lister engines available from India today use no spark. You open a valve to relieve compression, turn the heavy flywheel until you get some stored inertial energy, close the valve and open the fuel start injecting fuel. Keep turning the wheel until it starts. No gasoline, no spark. I hope to get one once I have a spare $1500, engine hoist, and coupla weeks for a new hobby. Paired with a gen head, and running on 50-50 diesel/recycled veggie oil, you could save a bit on electricity. If we had net billing here. See www.utterpower.comfor all the details. Chris K Cayce, SC Lister cylcle engines use compression ignition by atomizing diesel fuel into the air and igniting it by compression of the mixture AND a spark, not by injection, which is why they must be started on gasoline with a spark ignition. Low compression, to say the least.
Re: [MBZ] cheap 2.5 turbo
you wrote:Why on earth would somebody rip out the factory head unit and install that crappy aftermarket radio Couldn't agree more! Actually, I'm fighting a similar problem w/my 91. I want a changer and bought one that needed repair. It's been with SW Stereo since last July waiting for parts. He's really an expert on these Becker systems and I've run a few different scenarios past him trying to find a workable alternative that would provide equal sound quality. I considered buying a new dash unit and changer to go with it - but that would mean running all new speaker wires and a new antenna wire - with another one to the dash if I want the on/off to actuate the antenna. He said the head unit is basically a tape deck and some wiring - with the tuner and amp in the trunk. It's high quality fir circa 1991 so I would gain quality if I wanted to buy all new stuff and spend the few hours running wiring. I don;t, so I'll wait for the changer to be rebuilt. Not sure why Becker had to go with the trunk mounted amp tuner - all the other systems managed to put quality in the dash - The bad thing is the Becker Silverstone CD Changers are becoming difficult to find - and parts take a long time to locate. Becker doesn;t make or stock any spare parts any more. Oh well. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] cheap 2.5 turbo probably not. The most disturbing part of the car though is this model is prewired for CD changer in the trunk. Why on earth would somebody rip out the factory head unit and install that crappy aftermarket radio? LarryT wrote: You wrote:cheap 2.5 turbo With over 8 days remaining, I doubt it'll be cheap for long. ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin, Cox Auto Trader [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 3:50 PM Subject: [MBZ] cheap 2.5 turbo http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300D-DIESEL-1991-300D-DIESEL-SMOKE-FREE-in-FLORIDA-at-NO-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ330071864350QQihZ014QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.6/617 - Release Date: 1/5/2007 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/618 - Release Date: 1/6/2007
Re: [MBZ] cheap 2.5 turbo
Well you dont need a becker silverstone changer, the alpine 611 and several others will work just fine with the becker system. You have to get a coupld of adapter from PIE but thats no big deal. LarryT wrote: you wrote:Why on earth would somebody rip out the factory head unit and install that crappy aftermarket radio Couldn't agree more! Actually, I'm fighting a similar problem w/my 91. I want a changer and bought one that needed repair. It's been with SW Stereo since last July waiting for parts. He's really an expert on these Becker systems and I've run a few different scenarios past him trying to find a workable alternative that would provide equal sound quality. I considered buying a new dash unit and changer to go with it - but that would mean running all new speaker wires and a new antenna wire - with another one to the dash if I want the on/off to actuate the antenna. He said the head unit is basically a tape deck and some wiring - with the tuner and amp in the trunk. It's high quality fir circa 1991 so I would gain quality if I wanted to buy all new stuff and spend the few hours running wiring. I don;t, so I'll wait for the changer to be rebuilt. Not sure why Becker had to go with the trunk mounted amp tuner - all the other systems managed to put quality in the dash - The bad thing is the Becker Silverstone CD Changers are becoming difficult to find - and parts take a long time to locate. Becker doesn;t make or stock any spare parts any more. Oh well. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] cheap 2.5 turbo probably not. The most disturbing part of the car though is this model is prewired for CD changer in the trunk. Why on earth would somebody rip out the factory head unit and install that crappy aftermarket radio? LarryT wrote: You wrote:cheap 2.5 turbo With over 8 days remaining, I doubt it'll be cheap for long. ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin, Cox Auto Trader [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 3:50 PM Subject: [MBZ] cheap 2.5 turbo http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300D-DIESEL-1991-300D-DIESEL-SMOKE-FREE-in-FLORIDA-at-NO-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ330071864350QQihZ014QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.6/617 - Release Date: 1/5/2007 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/618 - Release Date: 1/6/2007 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
[MBZ] Brake Calipers
Well, after examining my rear calipers and finding both had damaged bleed screws I decided to look at the front calipers. Sure enough, the flats in the hex were damaged by what appears to have been pliers (!!). So, I tried to unscrew them - got a wrench on them and tapped it with a very small hammer - slowly. Sure enough, just when I thought they had broken loose then broke where they enter the caliper. #!!#$%## Says I. Seems the same monkey who worked on the rear brakes had been turned loose on the front brakes with a pair of pliers. Why someone without proper tools to open/close the bleeder would need to open and close the bleeders is beyond me. Changing fluid? Scarey. Oh well. I guess worse has happened to others - So, now I can either try to remove what's left of the bleed screws or save myself the hassle and install new or rebuilt calipers. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ .
Re: [MBZ] cheap 2.5 turbo
OK - Thanks! I'll contact PIE tomorrow and see how much a adapter will cost. Thanks again. BTW, is the Alpine 611 a current changer? Or has it been out for a while ? Hope, at last! ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] cheap 2.5 turbo Well you dont need a becker silverstone changer, the alpine 611 and several others will work just fine with the becker system. You have to get a coupld of adapter from PIE but thats no big deal. LarryT wrote: you wrote:Why on earth would somebody rip out the factory head unit and install that crappy aftermarket radio Couldn't agree more! Actually, I'm fighting a similar problem w/my 91. I want a changer and bought one that needed repair. It's been with SW Stereo since last July waiting for parts. He's really an expert on these Becker systems and I've run a few different scenarios past him trying to find a workable alternative that would provide equal sound quality. I considered buying a new dash unit and changer to go with it - but that would mean running all new speaker wires and a new antenna wire - with another one to the dash if I want the on/off to actuate the antenna. He said the head unit is basically a tape deck and some wiring - with the tuner and amp in the trunk. It's high quality fir circa 1991 so I would gain quality if I wanted to buy all new stuff and spend the few hours running wiring. I don;t, so I'll wait for the changer to be rebuilt. Not sure why Becker had to go with the trunk mounted amp tuner - all the other systems managed to put quality in the dash - The bad thing is the Becker Silverstone CD Changers are becoming difficult to find - and parts take a long time to locate. Becker doesn;t make or stock any spare parts any more. Oh well. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] cheap 2.5 turbo probably not. The most disturbing part of the car though is this model is prewired for CD changer in the trunk. Why on earth would somebody rip out the factory head unit and install that crappy aftermarket radio? LarryT wrote: You wrote:cheap 2.5 turbo With over 8 days remaining, I doubt it'll be cheap for long. ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin, Cox Auto Trader [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 3:50 PM Subject: [MBZ] cheap 2.5 turbo http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300D-DIESEL-1991-300D-DIESEL-SMOKE-FREE-in-FLORIDA-at-NO-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ330071864350QQihZ014QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.6/617 - Release Date: 1/5/2007 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/618 - Release Date:
Re: [MBZ] OT: Audi Allroad?
Peter Frederick wrote: It does turn out quite a bit of power, though, and is higher compression (105 hp on 2.4L) Is that the six cylinder? 105hp won't keep up with the BMW 2.4L, or a MBZ 602 five cyl. I have seen a Volvo in one of the Finns' videos which seems to be about as fast as the 603 in a W201 hot rods, mainly because it launches harder. Mitch.
Re: [MBZ] Brake Calipers
Did you heat the fronts up frist? I know that feeling all to well, when you think it breaks free, only to have the head of the nut or whatever fall off in your hand. :-) Don't you just love fixing cars in the winter. hee hee Zeb On 07/01/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, after examining my rear calipers and finding both had damaged bleed screws I decided to look at the front calipers. Sure enough, the flats in the hex were damaged by what appears to have been pliers (!!). So, I tried to unscrew them - got a wrench on them and tapped it with a very small hammer - slowly. Sure enough, just when I thought they had broken loose then broke where they enter the caliper. #!!#$%## Says I. Seems the same monkey who worked on the rear brakes had been turned loose on the front brakes with a pair of pliers. Why someone without proper tools to open/close the bleeder would need to open and close the bleeders is beyond me. Changing fluid? Scarey. Oh well. I guess worse has happened to others - So, now I can either try to remove what's left of the bleed screws or save myself the hassle and install new or rebuilt calipers. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Brake Calipers
LarryT wrote: I tried to unscrew them - got a wrench on them and tapped it with a very small hammer - slowly. Sure enough, just when I thought they had broken loose then broke where they enter the caliper. #!!#$%## Says I. You did hammer on them (like pounding in nails) to knock them loose before you tried to turn them, didn't you? Mitch.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Audi Allroad?
Yup. With the manual 5-speed its a racer, with the auto it's a bit slow off the line, then pulls pretty hard. Smokey, though -- no one will every wonder if you have your foot in it or not. 1983 design. It's not been running for the last couple years -- wont' start, I think I need the IP done again (the real weak part of this engine), and it has 220,000 miles on it now. Best car I ever had for highway travel -- tremendous power on the interstate at 70, effortless driving, and 31 mpg. Big seats, too. Peter
Re: [MBZ] OT: Saab 96?
I had a '74 Sonett III -- had to replace the heads shortly after I bought it - yes, keyhole surgery is a good description! Other than the two cracked heads, the only problem I had with the car was the water temp activated automatic choke. It was a blast to drive - though it would have been even more fun with one of those turbo charged in-line fours! I was asking if it was a 94, 95, 96, 97, or what. Someone ID'd it as a 97. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Octane and detonation....
The Jacobs R755 that was in Dad's Cessna 195 had two plugs per cylinder. Each set of plugs were fired by a seperate magnito - and they were timed about two degrees apart, IIRC. The left mag at 6 degrees BTDC, and the right mag at 8 degrees BTDC, for example. I don't remember the exact specs. During the pre-take-off engine run-up and check, you switched from both mags, to left only then right only and watched the RPM drops. One mag dropped a little more than the other. On 1/7/07, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That I do not know -- I would GUESS that the most ignitable portion of the fuel/air mix is in different locations in the cylinder under different operating condition, and low power output/miss is a result with a single plug. There might also be a quench area that prevents proper flame propagation, or the chamber may simple be too large for a single flame front to burn all the fuel in the correct time frame (this is why, I think, that aircraft engines had 4 plugs per cylinder -- 4360 ci x 32 cylinders -- pretty big jugs!). I would assume they fire at the same time, but don't know that for a fact. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] OT: Saab 96?
OK Don wrote: I had a '74 Sonett III -- It was a blast to drive - though it would have been even more fun with one of those turbo charged in-line fours! That would be a huge undertaking, and probably involve a substantial hood bulge. The 2.8L Ford Capri V-6 bolted right up, just had to find someplace else to put the radiator. Seems like there was room in the nose, I've seen air conditioned Sonnett IIIs with the condenser up front. Back in the day, there were a lot of performance parts for the 2.8, but now it might be easier to find a rally cam for the 1.7.
[MBZ] Here's a nice 114
Ebay Item # 260073393513 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/45k-ORIGINAL-MILES-PRICE-TO-SELL-THE-BEST _W0QQitemZ260073393513QQihZ016QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 133K
Re: [MBZ] Octane and detonation....
Peter Frederick wrote: Diesels WILL run with a fuel/air mix, but there is no control over the ignition timing that way. I know at least one person who had a VW diesel get return holes in the head plugged up, and when the oil filled the valve cover and spilled over into the intake on the highway had QUITE a full throttle run until it all burned out That sometimes happens with VW diesels when they get bad rings, too. The blowby can drive enough oil mist through the valve cover breather vent and into the intake to cause runaway. Some of VW's gas engines have a plastic baffle between the cam and valve cover. Retrofitting that helps keep the oil out of the breather. Propane injection is used by hot-rodders to increase power on diesels, these days. The propane is mixed with the intake air, and it ignites with the diesel fuel when injection occurs.
Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: [Banned] Kaleb's long lost Uncle's Estate]
Yeah, right -- you KNOW that is what we all aspire to. But also maybe a heated shed to work on them. --R Steve MacSween wrote: OMG and my neighbours think I'M bad That is fascinating but very, very sad. Mac
Re: [MBZ] OT: Audi Allroad?
Ah, THRESHING machine would describe it perfectly! I haven't heard one of them 5000D's in quite a while, maybe they've all hit the boneyard by now. MB content: Of course, there are plenty of MB diesels around, and I hope that this is the case for many years to come. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 265K miles, Ursula
Re: [MBZ] Octane and detonation....
On high compression diesels (above 19:1), propane can ignite BEFORE the fuel is injected if the mixture is rich enough to be burnable. I would not recommend propane fumigation on anything with a compression ratio above 16:1 nor under high load with a turbocharger running, the risk of premature ignition (which will be much like detonation) is too high. Peter On Jan 7, 2007, at 2:04 PM, David Brodbeck wrote: Peter Frederick wrote: Diesels WILL run with a fuel/air mix, but there is no control over the ignition timing that way. I know at least one person who had a VW diesel get return holes in the head plugged up, and when the oil filled the valve cover and spilled over into the intake on the highway had QUITE a full throttle run until it all burned out That sometimes happens with VW diesels when they get bad rings, too. The blowby can drive enough oil mist through the valve cover breather vent and into the intake to cause runaway. Some of VW's gas engines have a plastic baffle between the cam and valve cover. Retrofitting that helps keep the oil out of the breather. Propane injection is used by hot-rodders to increase power on diesels, these days. The propane is mixed with the intake air, and it ignites with the diesel fuel when injection occurs. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] replacing fuel return lines
I delayed in doing them on my 190D when they were merely seeping and then got to do them when one fell off... That one got held back on with a zip tie so I could make it home. All the others were ready to fall off. -Curt Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 00:49:01 -0800 From: kevin kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] replacing fuel return lines To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original I did have a time with a couple of them on my 300D and 300CD. The 'cD had the worst ones which were TOTALLY dried out and broke into pieces at the slightest tug, of course, right at the barb! I picked at them gently with a knife which did the trick. There's no Diesel smell under the hood of the 300SD, so she's good for now although I have enough line to do the job when the time comes. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 265K miles, Ursula __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Jan 07 20:28:41 2007 Received: from web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.37]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H3edE-0005ye-U7 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 20:28:41 + Received: (qmail 38425 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jan 2007 20:25:40 - X-YMail-OSG: gILwyMgVM1n6TIehWKnKuYYW6zrBWiyIL2fYi6dS2rT3bLPwrIr5_Vaie3eSWSoVmw-- Received: from [63.209.225.74] by web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 12:25:40 PST Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 12:25:40 -0800 (PST) From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9.cp1 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Saab 96 X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 20:28:41 - Got to see the car today, quirky is just right. I was surprised how peppy it felt for being such a small engine, of course the whole car brings tiny to a new (small) level. According to the folks on Saabnet I should be able to see 25mpg which is what I was looking for, however this car is decidedly not. Parking brake doesn't work (no big deal) and the underside appears to be totally rotten (major big problem). If it weren't for the major underside rust I might be interested. I still might, its at a friend's place (not the seller's) and I may go back Wednesday and give it another hard look. It could be what I thought was major rot is just one bad rocker but I doubt it. That and a column shift... Wow, I *thought* I knew how to work one of those... -Curt Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 10:39:26 -0500 From: Frederick W Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] OT Saab 96 To: Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Hi, Curt. IF the car is truly rost frei and the transmission shifts properly, the only other thing that might be needed is an exhaust. This is from memory and CRS is creeping up on me. I've had 2 stroke and V4 96 sedans and a V4 95 wagon and a V4 97. You met Luke once and he has a lot of very used Saab parts and 2 horrible 97's buried under his firewood. OCD. I loved my 66 V4 96 silver engine and my 67 95 blue engine cars. The 2 strokes were good esp. the Monte Carlo. Makes like a Yamaha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! (Sorry only 4 speed.). No, I'm not nuts, it's just that I view the world from a slightly different angle! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel diet only these days. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Jan 07 20:30:35 2007 Received: from web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.33]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H3ef5-00066W-8k for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 20:30:35 + Received: (qmail 25947 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jan 2007 20:27:35 - Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-YMail-OSG:
Re: [MBZ] Trying out 0Wxx Mobil 1
On Fri, 5 Jan 2007, Zoltan Finks wrote: Yup. I know pumping is bad - my foot just wants to do it. I'ts like, come on, baby, you can do it! Yes, starting is an emotional thing with me ;) - nothing worse to me than the sound of the starter running slower and slower. Need to get over it - I know. Yep, tho consider when you pump it you throw the pump into WoT and it starts dumping lots of fuel in the cylinders. This can make it REAL hard to start (when you DO get it to start after pumping you will be rewarded with a massive coloud of smoke, possibly blue/grey or maybe black depending upon how cold it is outside. -j.
Re: [MBZ] Brake Calipers
Zoltan Finks wrote: Is this a just kidding, or do you mean it literally? Just curious for future reference. It's one of the things you do to try to break a bleeder loose before applying enough twisting force to break it in half.
Re: [MBZ] Brake Calipers
Zoltan Finks wrote: Is this a just kidding, or do you mean it literally? Just curious for future reference. It really does seem to help to tap on the end of a rusty bolt for a while with a hammer. It breaks the rust bonds, or wakes up the sleeping thread demons, or something.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Audi Allroad?
Threshing, thrashing? Gee! I thought that the back seat of an Audi was the perfect place to find a Lesser spotted double breasted mattress thrasher! Fred Moir Lynn MA Please don't throw things. At 03:27 PM 1/7/2007, you wrote: Actually farmers regularly call threshing thrashing which is really what it is... -Curt
Re: [MBZ] Brake Calipers
Yep. Did that first. But honestly, the bleeders were so buggered up I was afraid they'd crumble. Now that I've had a while to think things over, I think I'll remove the calipers and try to drill the bleeder out. If I drill it with a bit about 75% of the OD of the bleeder it'll probably loosen the screw enough so it;ll back out manually. I've been able in the past to drive a Phillips screwdriver into the remnants of the screw and turn it slowly back out. Then, if I damage the threads so I cannot use the bleed screw reliably, I'll order a new caliper. My wife can drive her pickup or the 240D to work if need be. re about hitting a frozen fastner with a hammer - it is hope that will break the bond between the threads on the fastener those on the base material. As I mentioned above, the bleed screws are pretty badly damaged - not only were they tightened with (I think) pliers or Vise Grips. they appear to have over 100ft #'s of torque on them! I even tried using a flat chisel to try to get the screw to break loose and turn a little. No way. Didn't budge a bit - all I did was damage it more. I'll wait until I feel like removing the caliper - which looks to ba *another frigging* challenge. the rubber hose connection at the chassis looks to have damaged fasteners also. I'm hoping they'll break loose easier than the bleeders - I already have new hoses - and I know I need to replace the metal tubing at the rear - not crazy about fabbing new lines for the front also but I may have to. When I'm done all 4 brakes - and the whole brake system - will be like new - not going to put up with this crap. Fortunately, I have a garage to work in. ;-) Thanks for all the comments - very helpful. It's great to have access to so many experienced people who have come up with so ways to fix things when they only had themselves to depend on. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brake Calipers LarryT wrote: I tried to unscrew them - got a wrench on them and tapped it with a very small hammer - slowly. Sure enough, just when I thought they had broken loose then broke where they enter the caliper. #!!#$%## Says I. You did hammer on them (like pounding in nails) to knock them loose before you tried to turn them, didn't you? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/618 - Release Date: 1/6/2007
Re: [MBZ] Trying out 0Wxx Mobil 1
John wrote:when you pump it you throw the pump into WoT and it starts dumping lots of fuel As you say - that's the reason for not touching the accelerator pedal - not only do you get all that fuel in the chamber - it's very *cold* fuel to boot!Which means the GPs have a bunch more fuel to try and ignite, it's starting from a colder temperature. I believe it happens like this - you turn the key, a spritz of fuel is injected to the proper cylinders, concurrently, the GPs start heating the prechamber or cylinder depending on model - and you *eventually* start cranking after 15 seconds or so depending on temps etc - then, just as it's beginning to start, you push (or pump) the throttle pushing lots of of (un-needed), cold fuel into the prechamber - where it has to be heated before it can ignite - So pumping when trying to start in cold temps is a bad thing. Once it's running on all/most cylinders I suggest easing on the throttle slightly to get the revs to about 1000rpm and keep it there for ~30 seconds or so before driving off sedately. Happy winter dieseling! Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: John W. Reames III [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trying out 0Wxx Mobil 1 On Fri, 5 Jan 2007, Zoltan Finks wrote: Yup. I know pumping is bad - my foot just wants to do it. I'ts like, come on, baby, you can do it! Yes, starting is an emotional thing with me ;) - nothing worse to me than the sound of the starter running slower and slower. Need to get over it - I know. Yep, tho consider when you pump it you throw the pump into WoT and it starts dumping lots of fuel in the cylinders. This can make it REAL hard to start (when you DO get it to start after pumping you will be rewarded with a massive coloud of smoke, possibly blue/grey or maybe black depending upon how cold it is outside. -j. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/618 - Release Date: 1/6/2007
Re: [MBZ] Brake Calipers
ha ha ha, yeah, it's amazing what we can all come up with, an hour after dinner, on a Sunday evening, with broken parts all around us in the driveway, and we need the car for tomorrow morning for work. :-) More interesting, or sould I say entertaining, would be not to read about the fixes, but rather, the stories behind why we had to come up with some of these fixes. hee hee :-) Keep at it Larry and good luck. If you can't fix it on your first attempt, you probaby just need to use a bigger hammer. :-) Zeb Thanks for all the comments - very helpful. It's great to have access to so many experienced people who have come up with so ways to fix things when they only had themselves to depend on. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brake Calipers LarryT wrote: I tried to unscrew them - got a wrench on them and tapped it with a very small hammer - slowly. Sure enough, just when I thought they had broken loose then broke where they enter the caliper. #!!#$%## Says I. You did hammer on them (like pounding in nails) to knock them loose before you tried to turn them, didn't you? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/618 - Release Date: 1/6/2007 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: [Banned] Kaleb's long lost Uncle's Estate]
2 comments - a few years ago (5 IIRC) a huge collection of Dusenburgs were found in NC and a large colection of Porsche 356s were stached away on a piece of land in Fla. I believe the Porsches were sold by the owners son or something - and he sold many thru Porsche club functions - thankfully many went to enthusiasts rather that investors. But why people will hoard wonderful cars such as these while they gradually waste away until they're worth nothing compared to what they *could should* be worth. It's amazing how expensive old cars are becoming - especially rare, unrestored ones. The old Speedsters were originally made as a less expensive version of the 356 - it was stripped of many comforts with a windshield 1/2 the height of the original and it sold for $3495 while the normal 356 Coupe went for $4396 and the hot rod Porsche 550 sold for $6800. Outrageous amounts in the mid-50s. They all easily fetch 6 figures now-adays. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 11:58 AM Subject: [MBZ] [Fwd: [Banned] Kaleb's long lost Uncle's Estate] check this out Original Message Subject: [Banned] Kaleb's long lost Uncle's Estate Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 19:48:35 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _Click here: MillerAuction_ (http://coolcatcorp.com/millerauction/MillerAuction.html) I would have like to have known these people before it was too late. The Soviet State wound up with most of the wealth. John Gregg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/banned_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/618 - Release Date: 1/6/2007
Re: [MBZ] Brake Calipers
On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:21:48 -0500 LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My wife can drive her pickup or the 240D to work if need be. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) Is this the '91 300D you're having so much trouble with? Craig
Re: [MBZ] Octane and detonation....
On Jan 7, 2007, at 9:53 AM, Chris Kueny wrote: The Lister engines available from India today use no spark. ... See www.utterpower.comfor all the details. Chris K Cayce, SC After clocking 60 hours of gas generator use in dec here in the pacific NW I look at the various generator options just to understand the market. Mind this all has changed now due to the EPA jan 2007 regulations where most of the solutions might not even be allowed to be imported anymore in the USA or Canada. There are basically: a) Lister based options (huge debate ongoing about ability to import to usa now) b) 12-20 hp (about) HP single cylinder engines from china based on a german design, water cooled. c) multiple cyl large water cooled diesels made in china (20Kw+) d) A thousand and one vendors rebranding kipo or kipo clone 6-6.5 kw single cyl diesel generators, enclosed on wheels or non-enclosed, the manuals are quite funny to read, thank goodness we don't need to let diesel settle in 55 gallon drums to deal with the dirt and water before usage. Mmm depends I guess on your supplier. Pricing for these guys (same engine) varies from $900 to $4000 btw. e) very nice kuboto, yamaha, japan diesel engine base systems for . If for example you have a farm where you grow oil based products you can with a press generate vegetable oil and with a lister based system be totally off the grid, and if lucky sell power back to the utility. Otherwise here with electricity at 6.33 cents a kwh it's hard to consider alternatives because utility electricity is so cheap, baring of course outages. Still of course if I could trip over a nice diesel yamaha/honda generator mis-listed on ebay somewhere for a song why the loud gas powered 6.5kw genrac I have would get resold... John 1983 300TDt 374k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 172k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 185k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
Re: [MBZ] Trying out 0Wxx Mobil 1
LarryT wrote: I believe it happens like this - you turn the key, a spritz of fuel is injected to the proper cylinders, concurrently, the GPs start heating the prechamber or cylinder depending on model... Actually, at least in a mechanical-injection engine, no fuel is going to get spritzed until you start cranking the engine.
Re: [MBZ] cheap 2.5 turbo
Check on the internet to see if you can order them somewhere. When I bought mine I got the part number off a website and had a local radio shop order them for me. For the 91-93 cars using the alpine CD changer, you have to get 2 PIE adaptors, and get a special interface box at the dealer. I believe the factory CD changer have this interface box mounted to the back of the CD changer already. Hook the mess together and it works fine. On the 94 and up cars (non fiber optic), you just have to buy 1 adaptor that plugs the same alpine changer right into the truck plug. LarryT wrote: OK - Thanks! I'll contact PIE tomorrow and see how much a adapter will cost. Thanks again. BTW, is the Alpine 611 a current changer? Or has it been out for a while ? Hope, at last! ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] cheap 2.5 turbo Well you dont need a becker silverstone changer, the alpine 611 and several others will work just fine with the becker system. You have to get a coupld of adapter from PIE but thats no big deal. LarryT wrote: you wrote:Why on earth would somebody rip out the factory head unit and install that crappy aftermarket radio Couldn't agree more! Actually, I'm fighting a similar problem w/my 91. I want a changer and bought one that needed repair. It's been with SW Stereo since last July waiting for parts. He's really an expert on these Becker systems and I've run a few different scenarios past him trying to find a workable alternative that would provide equal sound quality. I considered buying a new dash unit and changer to go with it - but that would mean running all new speaker wires and a new antenna wire - with another one to the dash if I want the on/off to actuate the antenna. He said the head unit is basically a tape deck and some wiring - with the tuner and amp in the trunk. It's high quality fir circa 1991 so I would gain quality if I wanted to buy all new stuff and spend the few hours running wiring. I don;t, so I'll wait for the changer to be rebuilt. Not sure why Becker had to go with the trunk mounted amp tuner - all the other systems managed to put quality in the dash - The bad thing is the Becker Silverstone CD Changers are becoming difficult to find - and parts take a long time to locate. Becker doesn;t make or stock any spare parts any more. Oh well. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] cheap 2.5 turbo probably not. The most disturbing part of the car though is this model is prewired for CD changer in the trunk. Why on earth would somebody rip out the factory head unit and install that crappy aftermarket radio? LarryT wrote: You wrote:cheap 2.5 turbo With over 8 days remaining, I doubt it'll be cheap for long. ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin, Cox Auto Trader [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 3:50 PM Subject: [MBZ] cheap 2.5 turbo http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300D-DIESEL-1991-300D-DIESEL-SMOKE-FREE-in-FLORIDA-at-NO-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ330071864350QQihZ014QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.6/617 - Release Date: 1/5/2007 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb
Re: [MBZ] rusty turd
Ooohh look at that cancerous rust. And it seems so nice above he high water mark... What IS nice is the color matching of the dash to the upholstery. On 1/6/07, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaleb I happen to like the Sears Bias Ply tires and snow tires on the rear. And the spare. Hey, it's only flat on one side! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] CD changer info for Larry
Here is a link to a place that sells the proper adaptors you need. Just for FYI, you should be able to order them elsewhere. It also lists which of the alpine changer are compatable, although most any of the 6 disk ones will work. http://www.logjamelectronics.com/piembzealp.html -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] CD changer info for Larry
Oh yea, it also tells you the MB part number of the interface box you need to order from Rusty. Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Here is a link to a place that sells the proper adaptors you need. Just for FYI, you should be able to order them elsewhere. It also lists which of the alpine changer are compatable, although most any of the 6 disk ones will work. http://www.logjamelectronics.com/piembzealp.html -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Here's a nice 114
Sweet car but it was the basic, bottom of the line model. It will only hold it's value if it isn't driven. On 1/7/07, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ebay Item # 260073393513 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/45k-ORIGINAL-MILES-PRICE-TO-SELL-THE-BEST _W0QQitemZ260073393513QQihZ016QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 133K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] replacing fuel return lines
Slice through the fabric covering the nipple VERY carefully with one of those retractable razor knives and peel it apart and off. On 1/7/07, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I delayed in doing them on my 190D when they were merely seeping and then got to do them when one fell off... That one got held back on with a zip tie so I could make it home. All the others were ready to fall off. -Curt Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 00:49:01 -0800 From: kevin kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] replacing fuel return lines To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original I did have a time with a couple of them on my 300D and 300CD. The 'cD had the worst ones which were TOTALLY dried out and broke into pieces at the slightest tug, of course, right at the barb! I picked at them gently with a knife which did the trick. There's no Diesel smell under the hood of the 300SD, so she's good for now although I have enough line to do the job when the time comes. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 265K miles, Ursula __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Trying out 0Wxx Mobil 1
So it would follow that on a mechanical-injection engine, there is no preheating of fuel, and so any fuel that enters as a result of pumping is as cold as the fuel that enters without pumping. I'm assuming that an 83 240D is a mechanical-injection engine. And no, I'm still not an advocate of pumping, just referring to how my foot tends to want to do it to help things along. Brian David wrote: Actually, at least in a mechanical-injection engine, no fuel is going to get spritzed until you start cranking the engine.
