Re: [MBZ] OT...TV Broadband cable tracing question
Well the fluke non-contact voltage tester is < $30 I believe. Also if you look at say http://ca.fluke.com/caen/promotions/demoEquipment/default.asp?pagestep=2&locale=caen (canada, but usa should have a site) you can sometimes nab quite a decent fluke product for *much* less. On Apr 11, 2008, at 11:08 PM, archer wrote: > I just checked my Stanley stud finder which only seems to signal the > presence of metal. I imagine that Fluke non-contact voltage tester > is fairly expensive. Might be able to do something with the nine > volt current. > > Just happened to think that I have several old CB radios which have > antenna jacks. Could hook the distribution box end of the cable up > to one CB and search with the other; using 12v power supplies on > both ends. > Thanks, > Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SL model
> I would like to know mileage a and octane requirments.. if the list > knows.. The 560's require premium, the others eat regular. Best possible mileage on long slow backroads trips is about 20-21, regardless of vintage, maybe more like 15 in daily commuting. My 560 gets a little better mileage than the 380's I've known, or the 450, but not enough to pay for the fuel cost difference. Many single-chain 380's have been converted to dual chains, mine has, but not all. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT...TV Broadband cable tracing question
> Just happened to think that I have several old CB radios which have > antenna jacks. Could hook the distribution box end of the cable up to > one CB and search with the other; using 12v power supplies on both > ends. That'd probably work. They also sell in-wall wire tracers, but it's basically the same principle. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Philosophy
> There is a point where self motivation turns into greed because the law > allows them to. This is where the lack of competition hurts you. You need to be able to vote with your feet. If business drops off to a competitor that isn't so greedy, they get the message. Buy less (or none) with eBay, and make SURE you send them a nice letter, on paper, explaining why. A few thousand of those from their customer base and maybe they'd pay attention. Eternal vigilance, etc... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: For some reason I am drawn to this
> Yeah, that too, unfortunately. A $600 truck that could handle a > couple or three yards of gravel would pay for itself after just a > couple of runs. That's what I really need, not that it is out there. My cousin recently gave away a 60's vintage Ford dump truck. Big. Bad shape, but semi-functional. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT...TV Broadband cable tracing question
I just checked my Stanley stud finder which only seems to signal the presence of metal. I imagine that Fluke non-contact voltage tester is fairly expensive. Might be able to do something with the nine volt current. Just happened to think that I have several old CB radios which have antenna jacks. Could hook the distribution box end of the cable up to one CB and search with the other; using 12v power supplies on both ends. Thanks, Gerry . From: "John M McIntosh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Would one of those stud finders that also know about electrical lines work. > Also my Fluke non-contact voltage tester also makes lots of claims > about sensing things > maybe if you run 9V thru the wire... > Still I think the walkie-talkies make sense. -- > On Apr 11, 2008, at 10:09 PM, archer wrote: > >> My son has a cable distribution center that was installed when his >> house was built. Cables were run to all the rooms in the house but the >> installers forgot to put a broadband jack in one room. He had verified that >> the cable had been run to that room when the house was under construction, >> and he knows approximately where it ends, but he doesn't want to tear into >> the wall in order to find it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Philosophy
So I guess ebay Australia are criminals because as far as i can see they have stabbed their members in the back by forcing them to use ebay owned paypal or COD. There is a point where self motivation turns into greed because the law allows them to. Do you really think big business cares about the environment, no these self motivators would destroy the planet to make money. You can spin it any way you like but without good control it will end in tears. Hendrik Jim Cathey wrote: > > >> And these 'self motivators' would happily stab you in the back to get >> what you have because they are addicted to wealth, just like a junkie >> is >> addicted. >> > > Sound like criminals to me, that's what jails are for. > > And my point is that self-motivation is about the only kind > that does any good. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SL model
380SL had dual timing chains starting with the 84 MY, burns regular and can't help on mileage figures. John On 4/11/08, Douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok I am thinking of getting one! Once I hit my target weight of 220lbs though > I do not know much other than the 380 has a stock timing chain that sucks. > > I would like to know mileage a and octane requirments.. if the list knows.. > > thanks Douglas. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT...TV Broadband cable tracing question
Would one of those stud finders that also know about electrical lines work. Also my Fluke non-contact voltage tester also makes lots of claims about sensing things maybe if you run 9V thru the wire... Still I think the walkie-talkies make sense. On Apr 11, 2008, at 10:09 PM, archer wrote: > My son has a cable distribution center that was installed when his > house was > built. Cables were run to all the rooms in the house but the > installers > forgot to put a broadband jack in one room. He had verified that > the cable > had been run to that room when the house was under construction, and > he > knows approximately where it ends, but he doesn't want to tear into > the wall > in order to find it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT...TV Broadband cable tracing question
My son has a cable distribution center that was installed when his house was built. Cables were run to all the rooms in the house but the installers forgot to put a broadband jack in one room. He had verified that the cable had been run to that room when the house was under construction, and he knows approximately where it ends, but he doesn't want to tear into the wall in order to find it. I told him we might be able to find approximately where it was by moving the antenna of a portable TV around that part of the wall looking for the strongest TV signal, but I wasn't sure if the cable signal would radiate strongly enough from the cut end of the cable. Another thing we thought of was generating an AM or FM signal from the distribution box end of the cable and then looking for the strongest signal in the room using a portable AM-FM radio. Unfortunately, I don't have a signal generator anymore. A third idea was using two walkie-talkies; wrapping one in aluminum foil with the distribution box end of the cable and an electric razor turned on inside the foil to make a noise. One of us would hold the transmit button on and the other would search the wall with the other walkie talkie; looking for the strongest signal. Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] got my truck back
$400 injectors x 8 = $3200? That would sure turn over the money in my wallet a little faster too! Seriously, how are the D-Max injectors fired? I know that the Powerchokes are fired by an oil pump and the Cummins injectors are electronically fired. If they are oil fired, higher oil pressure and faster cranking would make sense. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Too-cheap-to-be-true 300E update
You have to cut them some slack - they don't have much to work with! > Think the tuner kids buy them > all as soon as the cars hit the lot, to put in their Civics and > Integras. > -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Too-cheap-to-be-true 300E update
Yeah, I read about you guys getting IPs for $5 or whatever at the U-Pull-It and I can't believe my eyes. Salvage yards around here seem to have, unfortunately, a really good idea what used parts are hard to find and how much they go for online, and they charge accordingly. Plus we have a really active "import tuner" culture here and those kids seem to snap up everything decent. I NEVER see decent seats in '80s European cars at the U-Pull-It. Think the tuner kids buy them all as soon as the cars hit the lot, to put in their Civics and Integras. Alex On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That is true > > > Alex Chamberlain wrote: > > Really? I have no experience with selling cars for scrap. This is > > the West Coast, though, everything costs more. > > > > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> I highly doubt a salvage yard would offer than much. They usually offer > >> from $50 to a top of 200 > > > -- > > > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, > 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, > 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, > 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 > http://www.okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] got my truck back
WOW what a difference. First thing I noticed that it turned over much quicker when starting. Not sure what injectors would have to do with it. Runs MUCH quieter. Has MORE power. Not sure on mileage yet. Oil pressure higher. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Early vs. late gasser W126
For some reason, the 560 doesnt wear out cams and have the timing chain problems as bad as the 420 E M wrote: > What are the differences between the 420 and 560 other than displacement? > > Ed > 300E > > On 12/04/2008, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Actually, the 560 is a much better engine than the 420, IMO >> >> Hendrik & Fay wrote: >>> The 420 is the pick of V8's in that era and I reckon probably the best >>> MB V8 ever, when taking into consideration all variables. >>> The big change in 85/6 was the introducing of electronic feedback to the >>> fuel injection (KE jetronic/CIS/E), which made them more efficient and >>> cleaner. >>> The gen 2 126 chassis is always a better car than a gen 1. >>> >>> Hendrik >>> >>> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: First of all, the 420 will have more power than a us version 500. The block is still aluminum on the 500. All V-8s had aluminum blocks starting with the 3.8. The 420 and 560 says to use premium, but will run just fine on regular. Now with a 103 or something like that, you really do need to use premium as they will ping, but not the 116/117 >> v-8 Alex Chamberlain wrote: > Hi guys, > > I've started looking at gasser 126 cars (real cheap these days with > regular @ $3.50/gal!) and I keep seeing 500SELs, 560SELs, and 420SELs > in pretty much the same price range, considering condition. > > Seems like all other things being equal, an '85 500 in good shape is a > better deal than an '86 420, since the difference in fuel economy is > more than cancelled out by the fact that the 420 requires premium. > Besides the obvious (iron vs. aluminum block, flush headlights, 15" > wheels) are there any differences worth considering between the pre- > and post-'86 cars? > > Alex Chamberlain > '87 300D Turbo et al. > > > >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> -- >> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK >> 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, >> 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, >> 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, >> 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Early vs. late gasser W126
What are the differences between the 420 and 560 other than displacement? Ed 300E On 12/04/2008, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Actually, the 560 is a much better engine than the 420, IMO > > Hendrik & Fay wrote: > > The 420 is the pick of V8's in that era and I reckon probably the best > > MB V8 ever, when taking into consideration all variables. > > The big change in 85/6 was the introducing of electronic feedback to the > > fuel injection (KE jetronic/CIS/E), which made them more efficient and > > cleaner. > > The gen 2 126 chassis is always a better car than a gen 1. > > > > Hendrik > > > > Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > >> First of all, the 420 will have more power than a us version 500. The > >> block is still aluminum on the 500. All V-8s had aluminum blocks > >> starting with the 3.8. The 420 and 560 says to use premium, but will > >> run just fine on regular. Now with a 103 or something like that, you > >> really do need to use premium as they will ping, but not the 116/117 > v-8 > >> > >> Alex Chamberlain wrote: > >> > >>> Hi guys, > >>> > >>> I've started looking at gasser 126 cars (real cheap these days with > >>> regular @ $3.50/gal!) and I keep seeing 500SELs, 560SELs, and 420SELs > >>> in pretty much the same price range, considering condition. > >>> > >>> Seems like all other things being equal, an '85 500 in good shape is a > >>> better deal than an '86 420, since the difference in fuel economy is > >>> more than cancelled out by the fact that the 420 requires premium. > >>> Besides the obvious (iron vs. aluminum block, flush headlights, 15" > >>> wheels) are there any differences worth considering between the pre- > >>> and post-'86 cars? > >>> > >>> Alex Chamberlain > >>> '87 300D Turbo et al. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > -- > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, > 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, > 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, > 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 > http://www.okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Too-cheap-to-be-true 300E update
Oh I dont know if I want to mess with them, did they say how much they wanted? Luther wrote: > what about cars in Sallisaw?? > > Luther > > On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:46:30 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> Hey, the dealer just called and said my truck is ready. All 8 brand new >> $400 injectors. Got to do some hauling tomorrow. Will be excited to >> see if the mileage etc improves. I think this car Alex is talking about >> is too far away from me though, cant think of where he is located. >> >> > > > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Too-cheap-to-be-true 300E update
That is true Alex Chamberlain wrote: > Really? I have no experience with selling cars for scrap. This is > the West Coast, though, everything costs more. > > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I highly doubt a salvage yard would offer than much. They usually offer >> from $50 to a top of 200 > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Early vs. late gasser W126
Actually, the 560 is a much better engine than the 420, IMO Hendrik & Fay wrote: > The 420 is the pick of V8's in that era and I reckon probably the best > MB V8 ever, when taking into consideration all variables. > The big change in 85/6 was the introducing of electronic feedback to the > fuel injection (KE jetronic/CIS/E), which made them more efficient and > cleaner. > The gen 2 126 chassis is always a better car than a gen 1. > > Hendrik > > Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: >> First of all, the 420 will have more power than a us version 500. The >> block is still aluminum on the 500. All V-8s had aluminum blocks >> starting with the 3.8. The 420 and 560 says to use premium, but will >> run just fine on regular. Now with a 103 or something like that, you >> really do need to use premium as they will ping, but not the 116/117 v-8 >> >> Alex Chamberlain wrote: >> >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> I've started looking at gasser 126 cars (real cheap these days with >>> regular @ $3.50/gal!) and I keep seeing 500SELs, 560SELs, and 420SELs >>> in pretty much the same price range, considering condition. >>> >>> Seems like all other things being equal, an '85 500 in good shape is a >>> better deal than an '86 420, since the difference in fuel economy is >>> more than cancelled out by the fact that the 420 requires premium. >>> Besides the obvious (iron vs. aluminum block, flush headlights, 15" >>> wheels) are there any differences worth considering between the pre- >>> and post-'86 cars? >>> >>> Alex Chamberlain >>> '87 300D Turbo et al. >>> >>> >>> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Too-cheap-to-be-true 300E update
what about cars in Sallisaw?? Luther On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:46:30 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey, the dealer just called and said my truck is ready. All 8 brand new > $400 injectors. Got to do some hauling tomorrow. Will be excited to > see if the mileage etc improves. I think this car Alex is talking about > is too far away from me though, cant think of where he is located. > > -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Man bites dog, was guns Now - Back to Guns OT OT
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > sociopath insurance Well put. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SL model
The 450SL gets about 16-17 mpg and runs on regular. That's all I know of the models --- On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok I am thinking of getting one! Once I hit my target weight of 220lbs though > I do not know much other than the 380 has a stock timing chain that sucks. > > I would like to know mileage a and octane requirments.. if the list knows.. > > thanks Douglas. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: For some reason I am drawn to this
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 6:17 PM, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Jim C. scared me off the yellow truck by pointing out that if it has > > the original I-6 in it, it's pretty lacking in power by modern > > standards. I would probably be wanting to haul manure, old engines, > > etc. in it so that doesn't fly. > > Manure is fairly light. How many engines are you going to carry > at once? I was speaking about things like pallets of bricks, > an entire car, or a few yards of sand, gravel, etc. HEAVY stuff. > Yeah, that too, unfortunately. A $600 truck that could handle a couple or three yards of gravel would pay for itself after just a couple of runs. That's what I really need, not that it is out there. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] SL model
Ok I am thinking of getting one! Once I hit my target weight of 220lbs though I do not know much other than the 380 has a stock timing chain that sucks. I would like to know mileage a and octane requirments.. if the list knows.. thanks Douglas. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Man bites dog, was guns Now - Back to Guns OT OT
> Just about every homeowner has a fire extinguisher loaded up and ready > to go. Is that the way we should be living? Or how about fire > insurance? > Less likely to be useful than the gun, and more expensive. I don't approve of fire. Obviously it will go away and leave me alone, so I needn't be prepared! (Actually, I have _two_ extinguishers hanging on the walls, more in the garage and in the trunks of the active cars, and fire insurance. We also have sociopath insurance, in a variety of calibers. So far none of it has had to be used, and that's just the way I like it!) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gave in... WAS: Must... resist... temptation
What's really weird is that people in education (those that have been in it for their whole lives) seem blissfully unaware of how the rest of the world works, or so it seems. I've had no problem at all making great strides in my work in education using much of what I learned in 20 years of business. A lot of the "how I did it" seems totally alien to those around me. Strange. I won't say that this is a global thing for all educators (much like your comments) but I will say that it seems to be prevalent within the discipline. Dan --- "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A couple things my old granddaddy used to say. > First was those who can, > do. Those who cant, teach. The 2nd thing he used > to day was teachers > were some of the dumbest people on the world. > > On a certain level, judging my SOME (not all) of the > teachers I have > seen before, this is true. > > LWB250 wrote: > > I would challenge anyone who thinks they can walk > into > > a classroom and "teach" without prior training. > Very > > few could do it. What's making it so difficult > now is > > high-stakes testing and the accountability that > > accompanies it. Schools and even teachers > themselves > > will tell you that they're not "teaching to the > test," > > but I can tell you from working in education for > > nearly 7 years that this sort of statement is > patently > > false. > > > > Our state-mandated testing just ended a few weeks > ago. > > You could feel the collective sigh of relief > > everywhere, and the change in classroom lessons > and > > assessments the day after. I'm all for testing, > but > > this high stakes stuff is for the birds, at least > the > > way it's currently administered. > > > > For the expectations and accountability being > foisted > > on them now, teaching is a crappy job. Add to > that > > the sometimes adversarial relationship between the > > parents and teachers and it's really hard to > justify > > doing it if you are a teacher. They all deserve > > medals. Not to mention the pay sucks. > > > > Dan > > > > > > --- LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> My daughter spent a couple of years in college > >> working toward her teaching > >> cert. until she had a stint at the local school > & > >> saw how things worked. > >> There were so many restrictions are > "pre-prepared" > >> lesson plans than any > >> creativity on the part of the teacher was > quashed. > >> She thought a robot > >> might do the job just as well. > >> > >> As it happens, last night I saw a video on the > news > >> showing a teacher being > >> assaulted by a student - the teacher was being > >> interviewed & said there > >> would likely be *no* punishment of the female > >> student who had kicked and > >> punched the teacher - for asking the student to > have > >> a seat - while the > >> other students egged her on. > >> > >> There's a major problem at work here - the > patients > >> have taken over the > >> insane asylem - as recently as the 60s when I was > a > >> student no one would > >> have dreamed at assaulting a teacher. Well there > >> were 1 or 2 who might > >> think about it but that's as far as it would have > >> actually gone . Now we > >> have teachers being assaulted on a regular basis. > >> > >> Seems the parents believe the teachers will teach > >> the kids social values - > >> and the teachers are prevented from offering > *any* > >> punishment - if a student > >> were paddled as happened once in a while when I > was > >> in elem school the > >> lawyers outside the school the next morning would > >> have looked like the US > >> Army preparing to land at Normandy! > >> > >> Which leads to my next thought - people who bring > a > >> lawsuit should be > >> required to pay the legal bills if the suit is > seen > >> to be frivilous. but > >> naturally with the lawyers running Congress we;ll > >> never see *real* judicial > >> reform! > >> > >> As Donald said recently, we have way too many > >> lawyers - > >> > >> Bye ya'll - this country is in deep do-do., > >> > >> > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: > http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > -- > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E > 4Matic, > 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, > 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, > 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, > 80 240D, 76 240D, > 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 > http://www.okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see o
Re: [MBZ] Man bites dog, was guns Now - Back to Guns OT OT
> I know you probably don't think bad things happen often enough to > justify carrying a gun, but there are situations where one is needed. > It's > not good to count on the mercy of someone who may not know the meaning > of > the word. Most people seem to be OK with cops being armed, but who's to say that cops are actually better _people_ than anybody else? I'd say they'd be the same (on average), except that some drawn to that position are power-mad and _not_ the sort of people who should be there at all. I have a friend who was very uncomfortable around guns. Then she heard a guy trying to break into her front door one night, and the next day she found out that her renter (other side of duplex) was raped that night by someone who broke in. So now she's got a gun... (In fact, I bought it for her, but she and her now-husband still have it several moves later, after ample time and opportunity to get rid of it. I suspect she learned something that night about the true role of police protection.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] eggshell
E M wrote: > > I remember reading there were next to zero cases of unintended acceleration > in Germany at the time. I also seem to recall that in those days, obtaining a German driving license required that you know your ass from a hole in the ground. Not so in the USA. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: For some reason I am drawn to this
> Jim C. scared me off the yellow truck by pointing out that if it has > the original I-6 in it, it's pretty lacking in power by modern > standards. I would probably be wanting to haul manure, old engines, > etc. in it so that doesn't fly. Manure is fairly light. How many engines are you going to carry at once? I was speaking about things like pallets of bricks, an entire car, or a few yards of sand, gravel, etc. HEAVY stuff. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Man bites dog, was guns Now - Back to Guns OT OT
Hendrik & Fay wrote: > > I am not saying all of the US is like that but people on this list have > indicated that they have a loaded weapon ready to go...just in case. > Is that the way we should be living. Just about every homeowner has a fire extinguisher loaded up and ready to go. Is that the way we should be living? Or how about fire insurance? Less likely to be useful than the gun, and more expensive. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel Mileage varies
> I check my mpg's everytime I fill up. For some reason it > changes even though my wife's driving is consistent My wife doesn't fill the tank as full as I do. So that skews things a bit if I calculate based on one of her prior fillups, or vice-versa. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Philosophy
> I do see a problem if peoples goal is to be rich and that is it. A pretty poor class of people, if that is indeed the case. But they'll get what they deserve if so. I do not measure 'wealth' entirely by the almighty dollar. For example, having some old wrecked cars in the woods is wealth to me, in that I have raw materials for repairs etc. at a very low monetary cost. > The problem with absolute free enterprise is that it does not address > corruption, which leads to price fixing, monoplies and other bad things > which kill the idea of free enterprise. Thus there needs to be control > but this control is often done by people who have no effing clue about > things. Yep. A proper government makes sure the playpen is safe, but the kind of play conducted is up to the residents. In my example it should be vigorously against corruption, graft, fraud, etc., and should be set up to ensure that real competition is fostered. I have no idea how to set up such a system, our Founders thought they were, but now look at what we've got. And they were some rather well-educated and intelligent men. > And these 'self motivators' would happily stab you in the back to get > what you have because they are addicted to wealth, just like a junkie > is > addicted. Sound like criminals to me, that's what jails are for. And my point is that self-motivation is about the only kind that does any good. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ebay and paypal
I haven't looked into the full details of it yet, I dare say ebay will put out more info to it's members in due course but from my understanding at this time when you go to tick payment options there will be only two choices. Whether you can still write in your auction that 'other' payment options available upon request I don't know. Hendrik Wonko the Sane wrote: > Do you mean support or allow? Big difference. > > Don > Typing this via Ubuntu 7.10 > > > > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Man bites dog, was guns Now - Back to Guns OT OT
Hey Hendrick - You know? Pretty soon I'm going to give up and go target practice. ;-) The obsession you see is with personal responsibility. True, I have a gun I keep loaded and ready to fire - if it's not in that condition it's basically a paperwieght. Yep, that Granny was undoubtedly staged - she was probably *almost* as anti-gun as the people filming that piece of drivil. ;-) I realize you can't see the need for personal protection against muggers, home invaders, and just plain mean people - you are very lucky. But that's what you get when you're the Melting Pot of the world with unregulated immigrants arriving daily - people who may have been criminals in their homeland who decided to find a better place to operate. And they end up here. We don't have a caste or class system like those that exist in some older countries so people tend to mix more completely putting have's and have-not's in close proximty - the credit problem you've probably heard about has exacerbated the problem by selling people houses they had no hope of paying for - when they default, the govt bails them out at least for a while . But it looks like home ownership is way up - but we have uneducated people barely scrapping out a living living close to people who are professionals. It creates a tension -then greed & envy take over. Seeing your neighbor driving a new Mercedes Blutect ;-) when all you have is a dieing Pacer and the tension escalates. Throw in some teenagers who have little hope of staying off drugs and out of jail (or alive) and soon there are people thinking the way to the "good life" is to break into Mr. Jones' house and steal a bag of money. The fact that my name isn't Jones and I don't have a bag of money doen't mean some car with 3 or 4 guys thinking I'm wealthy & they decide to kick my front door in and see what they can end up with. Unfortunately it happens every day but not to me. So I don't plan to be sitting here with a pillow for protection preying they won't hurt me. Like those kids and profs at Va Tech last year - if the college administration had allows those with CCWs (and had gone thru the extensive background checks) to carry their gun that guy would not have killed 32 - he may have gotten 2 or 3 - but at least they could have stopped him. I know you probably don't think bad things happen often enough to justify carrying a gun, but there are situations where one is needed. It's not good to count on the mercy of someone who may not know the meaning of the word. Have a nice weekend - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: "Hendrik & Fay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Man bites dog, was guns Now - Back to Guns OT OT >I am not saying all of the US is like that but people on this list have > indicated that they have a loaded weapon ready to go...just in > case. > Is that the way we should be living. > I saw on TV a while back a thing about the gun culture in the US and > here was trailer park granny showing her 6-8 year old grandson how to > 'handle' a revolver, he was too young to even pull the trigger, so > grandma had to show him how to pull the hammer back. > Of course this was all staged so people outside the US would think that > you lot are all gun crazy. > Look you gotta face it, there is an obsession with guns in the states, > which is fueled by the constitution, gangsta movies and other things. > > Hendrik > > LarryT wrote: >> Hendrik - >> You wrote <> people >> lazy, >> they don't try and settle arguments with diplomacy but rather just go >> and get the gnn out and stick it in someones face. >> After a while people forget how to resolve differences without resorting >> to violence.>> >> >> I suspect your ideas about gun violence comes from TV and the movies. >> Gun >> owners (not criminals, but law abiding citizens who happen to own guns) >> do >> not operate this way. If they did they'd all be behind bars. >> >> As I've said before, using a gun - even showing it to let others know you >> are armed - can stop/prevent a violent confrontation - but there's a >> price >> that comes with that act. It's entirely possible the gun owner will >> spend >> some time in jail >> for that simple act. And if he were to use the gun it is 99% likely he >> will >> spend at least a few days in jail - maybe longer while the cops and >> attorneys decide if the use of the firearm was reasonable. If they >> decide >> no, he gets a lawyer and goes to court and possibly prison. >> >> If the situation were the way you perceive it a large population of the >> law >> abiding gun owners would be in jail - using a gun
Re: [MBZ] Ebay and paypal
Do you mean support or allow? Big difference. Don Typing this via Ubuntu 7.10 On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Hendrik & Fay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ebay just announced that it will only support the use of paypal or COD > as payment methods. > Yet another great example of this free market and strong competition > that the powers have duped us into believing exists. > At least I am typing this on a Linux based OS. > > Hendrik > who believes nothing he hears and only half of what he sees > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Ebay and paypal
Ebay just announced that it will only support the use of paypal or COD as payment methods. Yet another great example of this free market and strong competition that the powers have duped us into believing exists. At least I am typing this on a Linux based OS. Hendrik who believes nothing he hears and only half of what he sees ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gave in... WAS: Must... resist... temptation
Feh. No harm, no foul. Just goes to show why I always told my kids that spellcheck was no better than the dictionary they used to program it with... Dan --- Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I had it spelled correctly then, and the spellcheck > "corrected" it wo > a wrong spelling. Oh well. I trusted the > spellcheck. > > At 11:36 AM 4/11/2008, you wrote: > >Having recently graduated magna cum laude from one > of > >the leading colleges of education and research > >universities in the southeast, I wholeheartedly > agree > >with Loren. I was seriously disillusioned at the > >content of general studies, although I was in > special > >education, which is far more into methods and > results > >than content. > > > >The general level of knowledge in the "regular ed." > >students that I worked with from time to time was > >stunning, and I mean that in a negative way. > General > >knowledge, classical literature, etc., has, in my > >opinion, pretty much disappeared from general > >education. Certainly there is specific coursework > at > >higher levels, such as high school, but the general > >population of students don't get a lot of good, > basic > >information. > > > >At least that's my take on it. > > > >My faculty advisor was really unhappy that I didn't > >continue grad school, but in all honesty, I saw it > as > >a huge waste of my time (and money.) While working > in > >a research institution can be fun and exciting at > >times, I wasn't motivated by this enough to carry > on. > > > >That's also one of the reasons why I'm going back > into > >the business world (besides the money.) I don't > see > >education being a fulfilling (to me) line of work. > > > >(Spelling police hat on) By the way, it's > >"Archimedes". (Spelling police hat off) > > > > > > > >Dan > > > > > >--- Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > But do they know anything about European or > > > American history? Do > > > they even know who Aristotle was? Do they know > > > anything about Archemedes? > > > > > > You are undoubtedly talking about the > exceptions, > > > and I am talking > > > about the average student. > > > > > > If you babble and bullcrap, go see what they > "teach" > > > at your friendly > > > local teacher certification college. It is > > > edubabble and > > > psychobabble. I know, I have a Ph.D. from a > college > > > of "education." > > > > > >__ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > >___ > >http://www.okiebenz.com > >For new parts see official list sponsor: > http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > Loren Faeth > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: > http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] eggshell
I remember reading there were next to zero cases of unintended acceleration in Germany at the time. Ed 300E On 11/04/2008, Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 1:27 PM, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What's that old joke, "You know you're having a bad day when you're > making a > > crossing on a Dutch ferry, and find your car sandwiched on board > between a > > Ford Pinto in front of you, and an Audi 5000 with an auto trans right > behind > > you". > > > > > That would be funnier if the whole Audi "unintended acceleration" > thing hadn''t been thoroughly debunked---proven to be just the result > of a bunch of dopes who couldn't tell the gas pedal from the brake. > > > Alex Chamberlain > '87 300D Turbo et al. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gave in... WAS: Must... resist... temptation
I would think that you would need mates in the party in order to be able to do business in China, how do you get mates in the party? To me free market means that everyone can have a go and not just the new elite as decreed by the commie party. Basically it is like any one party set up, crooked. I guess the thinking in the west is that give them financial freedom and then they will want political freedom to go with that. This will take time and a build up of a large middle class. Hendrik Loren Faeth wrote: > China is not socialist.. It is a free market at the top. They have > a big problem trying to keep the hoards form not demanding their > share. The fat cats at the top want to keep the free market to > themselves, and hoard all the goodies. THey still talk socialism to > the hoards as a way to contain them and keep them poor and ignorant. > > D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Man bites dog, was guns Now - Back to Guns OT OT
I am not saying all of the US is like that but people on this list have indicated that they have a loaded weapon ready to go...just in case. Is that the way we should be living. I saw on TV a while back a thing about the gun culture in the US and here was trailer park granny showing her 6-8 year old grandson how to 'handle' a revolver, he was too young to even pull the trigger, so grandma had to show him how to pull the hammer back. Of course this was all staged so people outside the US would think that you lot are all gun crazy. Look you gotta face it, there is an obsession with guns in the states, which is fueled by the constitution, gangsta movies and other things. Hendrik LarryT wrote: > Hendrik - > You wrote < lazy, > they don't try and settle arguments with diplomacy but rather just go > and get the gnn out and stick it in someones face. > After a while people forget how to resolve differences without resorting > to violence.>> > > I suspect your ideas about gun violence comes from TV and the movies. Gun > owners (not criminals, but law abiding citizens who happen to own guns) do > not operate this way. If they did they'd all be behind bars. > > As I've said before, using a gun - even showing it to let others know you > are armed - can stop/prevent a violent confrontation - but there's a price > that comes with that act. It's entirely possible the gun owner will spend > some time in jail > for that simple act. And if he were to use the gun it is 99% likely he will > spend at least a few days in jail - maybe longer while the cops and > attorneys decide if the use of the firearm was reasonable. If they decide > no, he gets a lawyer and goes to court and possibly prison. > > If the situation were the way you perceive it a large population of the law > abiding gun owners would be in jail - using a gun when it is not called for > has serious repercussions - for anyone except hardened criminals - who go > from one crime scene to another - totally unaffected by gun laws. Hell, > they might *kill* someone - does anyone believe they respect a gun law when > they don't respect the law against murder? > > You wrote < >> of society you have created for yourselves? In a >> >> > > You mean taking the responsiblity for my family's safety? Yeah, that's an > awful way to live. ;-\ As opposed to being assaulted and or murdered while > waiting for the police? > > BTW, did you know the police do not have a duty to protect someone? > according to the Supreme Ct at least. > > There's nothing wrong with having the ability to save the life of someone in > my family - I'd feel better about shooting someone who was harming my child > than wringing my hands after my child was killed and wishing the police had > gotten there faster! And you want to talk them out of it? It is a fact > that the police will arrive at a crime *after* it has occurred 95+% of the > time. They arrive to do paperwork and ask questions, then say, we'll let > you know if we find someone. > > You seem to have the idea that we pull our gun and shoot people who spit on > our shoes? Wy to much TV Hendrik. > > That's typical though -- that's how most people living outside the US get > their perception of what life is like here. > > > Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Philosophy
I do see a problem if peoples goal is to be rich and that is it. I'd rather be poor in paradise than rich in hell and that is the way I see things going in a pure capitalist society. Sure we all have coin on the hip but we lock up our castles, alarm our cars and worry like hell if we have enough for retirement. I know people who all they talk about is money and they are the most obnoxious people in the world, everything to them has a monetary value. The problem with absolute free enterprise is that it does not address corruption, which leads to price fixing, monoplies and other bad things which kill the idea of free enterprise. Thus there needs to be control but this control is often done by people who have no effing clue about things. And these 'self motivators' would happily stab you in the back to get what you have because they are addicted to wealth, just like a junkie is addicted. Remember a mans measure of success in life is not measured by how many people attend his funeral but by how many cry at his funeral. Hendrik Jim Cathey wrote: > > People vary. If happiness is a goal you need a system where > people are free to pursue whatever makes them happy, governed > so that this does not come at a higher cost in others' unhappiness. > Motivated pursuers will be more productive, large groups of > highly productive producers results in lots of things for the > rest to consume. Visible success all around inspires more to > try to do the same, which when properly governed results in > additional bounty. > > So far, the US 'experiment' seems to be the best at > turning out self-motivated producers. Far from perfect, > as I'm sure is quite obvious to anyone, but the best > we've found to date. It's a system that (so far) still > encourages healthy competition, and that's the secret > to its success. (Measured in happiness and comfort.) > A myriad of other systems will also succeed, if you limit > the definition of 'success' to merely keeping the teeming > swarm alive. Not my idea of success, however. > > > -- Jim > > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Too-cheap-to-be-true 300E update
Really? I have no experience with selling cars for scrap. This is the West Coast, though, everything costs more. On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I highly doubt a salvage yard would offer than much. They usually offer > from $50 to a top of 200 > > > > Alex Chamberlain wrote: > > If Kaleb thinks it's a good deal, I better jump on it. Apparently > > U-Pull-It offered her $350. I will have to match that. > > > > Alex > > > > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 2:54 AM, Hendrik & Fay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I hear the jingle of truck keys as a certain Okie gets ready to head out > >> :-) > >> > >> Hendrik > >> who just about finished converting the 230E but now has to cull the > >> herd, according to the missus > >> > > >> > >> Alex Chamberlain wrote: > >> > OK, our story continues... the seller just emailed me saying she has > >> > given up on selling---as drivable, I mean---the '86 300E with the bad > >> > alternator, leaky exhaust manifold, leaky timing cover, broken > >> > sunroof, broken ACC, bad head gasket, and who knows what else, and > >> > will entertain offers for it as a parts car just to get it out of her > >> > garage. > >> > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > -- > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, > 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, > 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, > 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 > http://www.okiebenz.com > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Early vs. late gasser W126
The 420 is the pick of V8's in that era and I reckon probably the best MB V8 ever, when taking into consideration all variables. The big change in 85/6 was the introducing of electronic feedback to the fuel injection (KE jetronic/CIS/E), which made them more efficient and cleaner. The gen 2 126 chassis is always a better car than a gen 1. Hendrik Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > First of all, the 420 will have more power than a us version 500. The > block is still aluminum on the 500. All V-8s had aluminum blocks > starting with the 3.8. The 420 and 560 says to use premium, but will > run just fine on regular. Now with a 103 or something like that, you > really do need to use premium as they will ping, but not the 116/117 v-8 > > Alex Chamberlain wrote: > >> Hi guys, >> >> I've started looking at gasser 126 cars (real cheap these days with >> regular @ $3.50/gal!) and I keep seeing 500SELs, 560SELs, and 420SELs >> in pretty much the same price range, considering condition. >> >> Seems like all other things being equal, an '85 500 in good shape is a >> better deal than an '86 420, since the difference in fuel economy is >> more than cancelled out by the fact that the 420 requires premium. >> Besides the obvious (iron vs. aluminum block, flush headlights, 15" >> wheels) are there any differences worth considering between the pre- >> and post-'86 cars? >> >> Alex Chamberlain >> '87 300D Turbo et al. >> >> >> > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel Mileage varies
With my diesels, I fill the damn tank till it fills up to the top of the filler neck. Takes a while to let the foam settle. Loren Faeth wrote: > How full is full? Now car made in the past 25 years at least allows > you tell how full the tank really is. Now in my 110 200D, you can > see the level of the fuel in the tank. I don't trust any one tank > mpg number. I want an average of at least 10 tanks before I think I > have a reliable number. There is also a lot of variation in fuel. A > dirty little secret. > > > At 05:47 PM 4/11/2008, you wrote: >> Hi Ya'll - >> I check my mpg's everytime I fill up. For some reason it changes even >> though my wife's driving is consistant - she drives to and from work each >> day, no AC needed, no hard acceleration needed, stuff like that - and yet >> her mpg;s will be 32mpgs one time and 28.5 the next. We fill up at the same >> station every time also - >> >> Any suggestions? Don;t get me wrong, compared to other people I'm doing >> great ;-) >> >> Anyway - perhaps there's something I should be looking at. BTW - all the >> fuel pumps & filters are like new. >> >> Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) >> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts >> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil >> PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net >> 800-583-8601 >> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > Loren Faeth > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gave in... WAS: Must... resist... temptation
A couple things my old granddaddy used to say. First was those who can, do. Those who cant, teach. The 2nd thing he used to day was teachers were some of the dumbest people on the world. On a certain level, judging my SOME (not all) of the teachers I have seen before, this is true. LWB250 wrote: > I would challenge anyone who thinks they can walk into > a classroom and "teach" without prior training. Very > few could do it. What's making it so difficult now is > high-stakes testing and the accountability that > accompanies it. Schools and even teachers themselves > will tell you that they're not "teaching to the test," > but I can tell you from working in education for > nearly 7 years that this sort of statement is patently > false. > > Our state-mandated testing just ended a few weeks ago. > You could feel the collective sigh of relief > everywhere, and the change in classroom lessons and > assessments the day after. I'm all for testing, but > this high stakes stuff is for the birds, at least the > way it's currently administered. > > For the expectations and accountability being foisted > on them now, teaching is a crappy job. Add to that > the sometimes adversarial relationship between the > parents and teachers and it's really hard to justify > doing it if you are a teacher. They all deserve > medals. Not to mention the pay sucks. > > Dan > > > --- LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> My daughter spent a couple of years in college >> working toward her teaching >> cert. until she had a stint at the local school & >> saw how things worked. >> There were so many restrictions are "pre-prepared" >> lesson plans than any >> creativity on the part of the teacher was quashed. >> She thought a robot >> might do the job just as well. >> >> As it happens, last night I saw a video on the news >> showing a teacher being >> assaulted by a student - the teacher was being >> interviewed & said there >> would likely be *no* punishment of the female >> student who had kicked and >> punched the teacher - for asking the student to have >> a seat - while the >> other students egged her on. >> >> There's a major problem at work here - the patients >> have taken over the >> insane asylem - as recently as the 60s when I was a >> student no one would >> have dreamed at assaulting a teacher. Well there >> were 1 or 2 who might >> think about it but that's as far as it would have >> actually gone . Now we >> have teachers being assaulted on a regular basis. >> >> Seems the parents believe the teachers will teach >> the kids social values - >> and the teachers are prevented from offering *any* >> punishment - if a student >> were paddled as happened once in a while when I was >> in elem school the >> lawyers outside the school the next morning would >> have looked like the US >> Army preparing to land at Normandy! >> >> Which leads to my next thought - people who bring a >> lawsuit should be >> required to pay the legal bills if the suit is seen >> to be frivilous. but >> naturally with the lawyers running Congress we;ll >> never see *real* judicial >> reform! >> >> As Donald said recently, we have way too many >> lawyers - >> >> Bye ya'll - this country is in deep do-do., >> >> > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Too-cheap-to-be-true 300E update
I highly doubt a salvage yard would offer than much. They usually offer from $50 to a top of 200 Alex Chamberlain wrote: > If Kaleb thinks it's a good deal, I better jump on it. Apparently > U-Pull-It offered her $350. I will have to match that. > > Alex > > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 2:54 AM, Hendrik & Fay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I hear the jingle of truck keys as a certain Okie gets ready to head out >> :-) >> >> Hendrik >> who just about finished converting the 230E but now has to cull the >> herd, according to the missus >> > >> >> Alex Chamberlain wrote: >> > OK, our story continues... the seller just emailed me saying she has >> > given up on selling---as drivable, I mean---the '86 300E with the bad >> > alternator, leaky exhaust manifold, leaky timing cover, broken >> > sunroof, broken ACC, bad head gasket, and who knows what else, and >> > will entertain offers for it as a parts car just to get it out of her >> > garage. >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Early vs. late gasser W126
First of all, the 420 will have more power than a us version 500. The block is still aluminum on the 500. All V-8s had aluminum blocks starting with the 3.8. The 420 and 560 says to use premium, but will run just fine on regular. Now with a 103 or something like that, you really do need to use premium as they will ping, but not the 116/117 v-8 Alex Chamberlain wrote: > Hi guys, > > I've started looking at gasser 126 cars (real cheap these days with > regular @ $3.50/gal!) and I keep seeing 500SELs, 560SELs, and 420SELs > in pretty much the same price range, considering condition. > > Seems like all other things being equal, an '85 500 in good shape is a > better deal than an '86 420, since the difference in fuel economy is > more than cancelled out by the fact that the 420 requires premium. > Besides the obvious (iron vs. aluminum block, flush headlights, 15" > wheels) are there any differences worth considering between the pre- > and post-'86 cars? > > Alex Chamberlain > '87 300D Turbo et al. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Man bites dog, was guns Now - Back to Guns OT OT
You never pull out your gun unless you are prepared to use it. While I dont have any specifics right now, I do know that states where there is a larger percentage of people with guns, concealed etc, crime is much lower in those area. Im sure it can be looked up online by anybody interested. LarryT wrote: > Hendrik - > You wrote < lazy, > they don't try and settle arguments with diplomacy but rather just go > and get the gnn out and stick it in someones face. > After a while people forget how to resolve differences without resorting > to violence.>> > > I suspect your ideas about gun violence comes from TV and the movies. Gun > owners (not criminals, but law abiding citizens who happen to own guns) do > not operate this way. If they did they'd all be behind bars. > > As I've said before, using a gun - even showing it to let others know you > are armed - can stop/prevent a violent confrontation - but there's a price > that comes with that act. It's entirely possible the gun owner will spend > some time in jail > for that simple act. And if he were to use the gun it is 99% likely he will > spend at least a few days in jail - maybe longer while the cops and > attorneys decide if the use of the firearm was reasonable. If they decide > no, he gets a lawyer and goes to court and possibly prison. > > If the situation were the way you perceive it a large population of the law > abiding gun owners would be in jail - using a gun when it is not called for > has serious repercussions - for anyone except hardened criminals - who go > from one crime scene to another - totally unaffected by gun laws. Hell, > they might *kill* someone - does anyone believe they respect a gun law when > they don't respect the law against murder? > > You wrote <> of society you have created for yourselves? In a >> > > You mean taking the responsiblity for my family's safety? Yeah, that's an > awful way to live. ;-\ As opposed to being assaulted and or murdered while > waiting for the police? > > BTW, did you know the police do not have a duty to protect someone? > according to the Supreme Ct at least. > > There's nothing wrong with having the ability to save the life of someone in > my family - I'd feel better about shooting someone who was harming my child > than wringing my hands after my child was killed and wishing the police had > gotten there faster! And you want to talk them out of it? It is a fact > that the police will arrive at a crime *after* it has occurred 95+% of the > time. They arrive to do paperwork and ask questions, then say, we'll let > you know if we find someone. > > You seem to have the idea that we pull our gun and shoot people who spit on > our shoes? Wy to much TV Hendrik. > > That's typical though -- that's how most people living outside the US get > their perception of what life is like here. > > > Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > 800-583-8601 > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Hendrik & Fay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 8:37 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Man bites dog, was guns Now - Back to Guns OT OT > > >> One of the problems I see with firearms is that it makes people lazy, >> they don't try and settle arguments with diplomacy but rather just go >> and get the gnn out and stick it in someones face. >> After a while people forget how to resolve differences without resorting >> to violence. >> Then violence becomes the norm and pretty soon people barricade >> themselves in their houses, armed to the teeth. >> Don't you people ever stop, take a step back and have a look at the sort >> of society you have created for yourselves? In a way I do feel sorry for >> people who have to live with a tool of death ready to go but until there >> is a strong mindset to change things, there will the Mexican stand off. >> >> Hendrik >> >> Tom Hargrave wrote: >>> I've been watching this thread for a while and I'm not so surprised at >>> how >>> polarized the group is about handguns. >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 8
Re: [MBZ] Gave in... WAS: Must... resist... temptation
I will have to say, that is seems kids today are learning more things at an earlier age than even I was. But, they are far more ignorant in the basics, and common sense [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This is a babble of Bullcrap > > My Grand Kids at H/S far exceed my wildest expectations when I was in U of Ct. > > Back than I could extract a cube root, They can do it with a calculator and > THEY KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THE RESULTANT. > > Pete > > -- Original message -- > From: Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Do you think it is an accident that an eighth grader from a hundred >> years ago knows more than a college grad today? > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gave in... WAS: Must... resist... temptation
You wrote <> That's a fair assessment - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: "Kevin Kraly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gave in... WAS: Must... resist... temptation > Speaking of the inmates running the asylum.. in this country we call > it > congress. > > CON is the opposite of PRO, so CONgress must be the opposite of PROgress. > > Kevin in Hillsboro, OR > 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Too-cheap-to-be-true 300E update
Hey, the dealer just called and said my truck is ready. All 8 brand new $400 injectors. Got to do some hauling tomorrow. Will be excited to see if the mileage etc improves. I think this car Alex is talking about is too far away from me though, cant think of where he is located. Hendrik & Fay wrote: > I hear the jingle of truck keys as a certain Okie gets ready to head out > :-) > > Hendrik > who just about finished converting the 230E but now has to cull the > herd, according to the missus > > Alex Chamberlain wrote: >> OK, our story continues... the seller just emailed me saying she has >> given up on selling---as drivable, I mean---the '86 300E with the bad >> alternator, leaky exhaust manifold, leaky timing cover, broken >> sunroof, broken ACC, bad head gasket, and who knows what else, and >> will entertain offers for it as a parts car just to get it out of her >> garage. >> >> What should I offer her? I'm thinking slightly more than she'd get >> from the scrap-metal orcs. $200? It has good tires and the interior >> is very nice dark blue Tex... >> >> Alex Chamberlain >> '87 300D Turbo et al. >> >> >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] purchasing synthetic diesel oil
nevermind, I am on crack. I forgot that delvac 1 was 5w40. Mitch Haley wrote: > Delvac 1 is not suitable for diesels? > > "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote: >> 5w40 is not suitable for diesels >> >> Luther wrote: >>> WM is up to $24/gal on the Mobil 5w-40 >>> >>> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:57:31 -0500, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I think I can still get relabeled Delvac-One at WM for $20.99 a gallon. Haven't paid too much attention lately, because I haven't been to WM in months, and because I bought five gallons of 15w50 for $19.99/5qt the last time I was there. Mitch. >>> >>> >> -- >> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK >> 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, >> 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, >> 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, >> 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel Mileage varies
Perhaps variations in fuel are part f the problem -- I check the mileage evrytimg we fill up and have the numbers going back to when we bought the car. It was seeing 24-27 until I fixed some problems and sawit go to 28-30 with an occassional 31 or 32. Naturally I;d love to stay at 32mpg - Thanks - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: "Loren Faeth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel Mileage varies > How full is full? Now car made in the past 25 years at least allows > you tell how full the tank really is. Now in my 110 200D, you can > see the level of the fuel in the tank. I don't trust any one tank > mpg number. I want an average of at least 10 tanks before I think I > have a reliable number. There is also a lot of variation in fuel. A > dirty little secret. > > > At 05:47 PM 4/11/2008, you wrote: >>Hi Ya'll - >> I check my mpg's everytime I fill up. For some reason it changes >> even >>though my wife's driving is consistant - she drives to and from work each >>day, no AC needed, no hard acceleration needed, stuff like that - and yet >>her mpg;s will be 32mpgs one time and 28.5 the next. We fill up at the >>same >>station every time also - >> >>Any suggestions? Don;t get me wrong, compared to other people I'm doing >>great ;-) >> >>Anyway - perhaps there's something I should be looking at. BTW - all the >>fuel pumps & filters are like new. >> >>Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) >>www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts >>Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil >>PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net >>800-583-8601 >>Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs >> >> >> >> >>___ >>http://www.okiebenz.com >>For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > Loren Faeth > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel Mileage varies
How full is full? Now car made in the past 25 years at least allows you tell how full the tank really is. Now in my 110 200D, you can see the level of the fuel in the tank. I don't trust any one tank mpg number. I want an average of at least 10 tanks before I think I have a reliable number. There is also a lot of variation in fuel. A dirty little secret. At 05:47 PM 4/11/2008, you wrote: >Hi Ya'll - > I check my mpg's everytime I fill up. For some reason it changes even >though my wife's driving is consistant - she drives to and from work each >day, no AC needed, no hard acceleration needed, stuff like that - and yet >her mpg;s will be 32mpgs one time and 28.5 the next. We fill up at the same >station every time also - > >Any suggestions? Don;t get me wrong, compared to other people I'm doing >great ;-) > >Anyway - perhaps there's something I should be looking at. BTW - all the >fuel pumps & filters are like new. > >Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) >www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts >Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil >PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net >800-583-8601 >Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > > > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel Mileage varies
How often do you check tire pressure? Is it just after a tire inflation when the mileage goes up? Perhaps, it's merely the change in wind directionn. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gave in... WAS: Must... resist... temptation
Speaking of the inmates running the asylum.. in this country we call it congress. CON is the opposite of PRO, so CONgress must be the opposite of PROgress. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fuel Mileage varies
Hi Ya'll - I check my mpg's everytime I fill up. For some reason it changes even though my wife's driving is consistant - she drives to and from work each day, no AC needed, no hard acceleration needed, stuff like that - and yet her mpg;s will be 32mpgs one time and 28.5 the next. We fill up at the same station every time also - Any suggestions? Don;t get me wrong, compared to other people I'm doing great ;-) Anyway - perhaps there's something I should be looking at. BTW - all the fuel pumps & filters are like new. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gave in... WAS: Must... resist... temptation
At 05:03 PM 4/11/2008, you wrote: >Which leads to my next thought - people who bring a lawsuit should be >required to pay the legal bills if the suit is seen to be frivilous. but >naturally with the lawyers running Congress we;ll never see *real* judicial >reform! > >As Donald said recently, we have way too many lawyers - Speaking of the inmates running the asylum.. in this country we call it congress. Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gave in... WAS: Must... resist... temptation
I would challenge anyone who thinks they can walk into a classroom and "teach" without prior training. Very few could do it. What's making it so difficult now is high-stakes testing and the accountability that accompanies it. Schools and even teachers themselves will tell you that they're not "teaching to the test," but I can tell you from working in education for nearly 7 years that this sort of statement is patently false. Our state-mandated testing just ended a few weeks ago. You could feel the collective sigh of relief everywhere, and the change in classroom lessons and assessments the day after. I'm all for testing, but this high stakes stuff is for the birds, at least the way it's currently administered. For the expectations and accountability being foisted on them now, teaching is a crappy job. Add to that the sometimes adversarial relationship between the parents and teachers and it's really hard to justify doing it if you are a teacher. They all deserve medals. Not to mention the pay sucks. Dan --- LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My daughter spent a couple of years in college > working toward her teaching > cert. until she had a stint at the local school & > saw how things worked. > There were so many restrictions are "pre-prepared" > lesson plans than any > creativity on the part of the teacher was quashed. > She thought a robot > might do the job just as well. > > As it happens, last night I saw a video on the news > showing a teacher being > assaulted by a student - the teacher was being > interviewed & said there > would likely be *no* punishment of the female > student who had kicked and > punched the teacher - for asking the student to have > a seat - while the > other students egged her on. > > There's a major problem at work here - the patients > have taken over the > insane asylem - as recently as the 60s when I was a > student no one would > have dreamed at assaulting a teacher. Well there > were 1 or 2 who might > think about it but that's as far as it would have > actually gone . Now we > have teachers being assaulted on a regular basis. > > Seems the parents believe the teachers will teach > the kids social values - > and the teachers are prevented from offering *any* > punishment - if a student > were paddled as happened once in a while when I was > in elem school the > lawyers outside the school the next morning would > have looked like the US > Army preparing to land at Normandy! > > Which leads to my next thought - people who bring a > lawsuit should be > required to pay the legal bills if the suit is seen > to be frivilous. but > naturally with the lawyers running Congress we;ll > never see *real* judicial > reform! > > As Donald said recently, we have way too many > lawyers - > > Bye ya'll - this country is in deep do-do., > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gave in... WAS: Must... resist... temptation
My daughter spent a couple of years in college working toward her teaching cert. until she had a stint at the local school & saw how things worked. There were so many restrictions are "pre-prepared" lesson plans than any creativity on the part of the teacher was quashed. She thought a robot might do the job just as well. As it happens, last night I saw a video on the news showing a teacher being assaulted by a student - the teacher was being interviewed & said there would likely be *no* punishment of the female student who had kicked and punched the teacher - for asking the student to have a seat - while the other students egged her on. There's a major problem at work here - the patients have taken over the insane asylem - as recently as the 60s when I was a student no one would have dreamed at assaulting a teacher. Well there were 1 or 2 who might think about it but that's as far as it would have actually gone . Now we have teachers being assaulted on a regular basis. Seems the parents believe the teachers will teach the kids social values - and the teachers are prevented from offering *any* punishment - if a student were paddled as happened once in a while when I was in elem school the lawyers outside the school the next morning would have looked like the US Army preparing to land at Normandy! Which leads to my next thought - people who bring a lawsuit should be required to pay the legal bills if the suit is seen to be frivilous. but naturally with the lawyers running Congress we;ll never see *real* judicial reform! As Donald said recently, we have way too many lawyers - Bye ya'll - this country is in deep do-do., Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: "LWB250" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gave in... WAS: Must... resist... temptation > Having recently graduated magna cum laude from one of > the leading colleges of education and research > universities in the southeast, I wholeheartedly agree > with Loren. I was seriously disillusioned at the > content of general studies, although I was in special > education, which is far more into methods and results > than content. > > The general level of knowledge in the "regular ed." > students that I worked with from time to time was > stunning, and I mean that in a negative way. General > knowledge, classical literature, etc., has, in my > opinion, pretty much disappeared from general > education. Certainly there is specific coursework at > higher levels, such as high school, but the general > population of students don't get a lot of good, basic > information. > > At least that's my take on it. > > My faculty advisor was really unhappy that I didn't > continue grad school, but in all honesty, I saw it as > a huge waste of my time (and money.) While working in > a research institution can be fun and exciting at > times, I wasn't motivated by this enough to carry on. > > That's also one of the reasons why I'm going back into > the business world (besides the money.) I don't see > education being a fulfilling (to me) line of work. > > (Spelling police hat on) By the way, it's > "Archimedes". (Spelling police hat off) > > > > Dan > > > --- Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> But do they know anything about European or >> American history? Do >> they even know who Aristotle was? Do they know >> anything about Archemedes? >> >> You are undoubtedly talking about the exceptions, >> and I am talking >> about the average student. >> >> If you babble and bullcrap, go see what they "teach" >> at your friendly >> local teacher certification college. It is >> edubabble and >> psychobabble. I know, I have a Ph.D. from a college >> of "education." > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] eggshell
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 1:27 PM, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What's that old joke, "You know you're having a bad day when you're making a > crossing on a Dutch ferry, and find your car sandwiched on board between a > Ford Pinto in front of you, and an Audi 5000 with an auto trans right behind > you". > That would be funnier if the whole Audi "unintended acceleration" thing hadn''t been thoroughly debunked---proven to be just the result of a bunch of dopes who couldn't tell the gas pedal from the brake. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: For some reason I am drawn to this
300 CI six is a good engine. In the 5 liter category. Both the 300 and 240 are "big block" sixes and made for truck and tractor use. In trucks the 300 was considered a bulletproof engine. Both are real torquey for a gasser. Had a 240 in my old 66 E100. it got better mileage when you threw 1000 or 2000 lb in the back of it. I'd grab a pickup with a 240 or 300 six ford. 240 won't win any races, but is reliable and for the use you describe is serviceable. At 12:52 PM 4/11/2008, you wrote: >On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Ed Booher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/634821523.html > > > > > > Is this old truck worth $600? Does it really have a V6 or is this > > > > > > Did you buy it yet? > > > >Put down the Mountain Dew and back away slowly, Ed... > >No, I'm instead spending my "economic stimulus" check on the beater >300E I've been posting about (and the parts it needs). > >Jim C. scared me off the yellow truck by pointing out that if it has >the original I-6 in it, it's pretty lacking in power by modern >standards. I would probably be wanting to haul manure, old engines, >etc. in it so that doesn't fly. > >Alex > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gave in... WAS: Must... resist... temptation
Loren wrote: <> With the fiasco of gobal warming getting going just wait until you see what kinds of restrictions are placed on you - the FedGovCo will be telling you what kids of Light Bulbs to buy of all things ans as carbon credits get going you;ll see a few people with the ability to set up exchanges of carbon credits as has happened in Europe where already a guy has become a multi-millionaire from setitng up the program. All this for a program of a dubious nature. When you look at all the clerks and bureaucrats on *your* back - and your small business - just imagine what is happening at big corporations. Hundreds, maybe thousands of people doing nothing but making sure the pyramid of regulations are being followed - everythng from having the right signs posted in the right places to checking to insure the requirements of the Americans with Disabilities Act are being met - even at places that will be unlikely to *ever* see a disabled person. How about Braille signage at a shootig range or a school for High Speed Driving? Makes sense, right? You can bet your butt there's a requirement. When I was in the corporate world we had a whole department (10-12 people) that just read the Federal Register daily to see how the new laws passed and legistalion being considered might affect the company - all that effort and no ROI. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: "Loren Faeth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gave in... WAS: Must... resist... temptation > China is not socialist.. It is a free market at the top. They have > a big problem trying to keep the hoards form not demanding their > share. The fat cats at the top want to keep the free market to > themselves, and hoard all the goodies. THey still talk socialism to > the hoards as a way to contain them and keep them poor and ignorant. > > Do you think it is an accident that an eighth grader from a hundred > years ago knows more than a college grad today? The problem we have > in the US, is that we are NOT a free market. There are restrictions > on free trade everywhere. If you want to learn about relatively free > trade, look at the period from 1870 to 1910 in the USA. To run a > small business that only grosses 60-80k a year, and is a net loss, I > have to have no less than 5 licenses (State and Federal) and so many > restrictive regulations I can't even begin to count them. I am > subject to random inspection by at least 3 federal agencies and at > least 3 state agencies. Not to mention confiscatory taxes on > everything except breathing, but hold your breath, because breathing > will be taxed soon. (Carbon tax) We are a FAR cry from free trade > in the USA. > > As for the fat cats in the US, many of the big corporations only > exist because of regulation and favorable legislation. In a true > free enterprise system, they would die, because they can't move fast > enough. > > I stand by my prior statement: Free trade works, socialism doesn't > > At 05:10 AM 4/11/2008, you wrote: >>Whilst on the surface free enterprise seems like a fine thing, when you >>take into consideration monopolies and corruption it too can be a bad >>thing, not too mention turning people into money hungry A holes. >>Also not every socialist "experiment' has failed...yet but does >>need to be modified away from the doctrine set out by Marx and Engels, >>think China. The problem I see with true socialism is that it goes >>against human nature, whilst capitalism works well with human nature. >>I do see the US as an odd mixture of pure capitalism mixed in with a bit >>of national socialism/patriotism/racism and a few other ism's that >>haven't even been thought up yet. >> >>Hendrik >> >>Loren Faeth wrote: >> > Every socialist experiment has failed, before or after Karl Marx. In >> > the USA, we have had the french Icarian Society, failed in mid-1800s, >> > the Amana colonies, disbanded/reformed (free enterprise) in >> > 1930s. Or you can look at the USSR, a shining example of a happy >> > prosperous society, or how about how Jimmy Cawtuh forced Rhodesia to >> > turn itself from a prosperous country into a socialist hellhole. The >> > list goes on and on but the premise existed long before >> > Marx. The Jamestown colony was founded 400 years ago as a socialist >> > experiment. After a good number of colonists died from lack of food >> > and shelter, they reformed into a free enterprise society, and >> > prospered. GO figger. Free enterprise works, socialism does >> > not. Now do y'all want Billary or Osama fer president? >> > >> > At 08:19 PM 4/10/2008, you wrote: >> > >> > >> >> Also, Socialism is a form of government that "refers
Re: [MBZ] Gave in... WAS: Must... resist... temptation
I had it spelled correctly then, and the spellcheck "corrected" it wo a wrong spelling. Oh well. I trusted the spellcheck. At 11:36 AM 4/11/2008, you wrote: >Having recently graduated magna cum laude from one of >the leading colleges of education and research >universities in the southeast, I wholeheartedly agree >with Loren. I was seriously disillusioned at the >content of general studies, although I was in special >education, which is far more into methods and results >than content. > >The general level of knowledge in the "regular ed." >students that I worked with from time to time was >stunning, and I mean that in a negative way. General >knowledge, classical literature, etc., has, in my >opinion, pretty much disappeared from general >education. Certainly there is specific coursework at >higher levels, such as high school, but the general >population of students don't get a lot of good, basic >information. > >At least that's my take on it. > >My faculty advisor was really unhappy that I didn't >continue grad school, but in all honesty, I saw it as >a huge waste of my time (and money.) While working in >a research institution can be fun and exciting at >times, I wasn't motivated by this enough to carry on. > >That's also one of the reasons why I'm going back into >the business world (besides the money.) I don't see >education being a fulfilling (to me) line of work. > >(Spelling police hat on) By the way, it's >"Archimedes". (Spelling police hat off) > > > >Dan > > >--- Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > But do they know anything about European or > > American history? Do > > they even know who Aristotle was? Do they know > > anything about Archemedes? > > > > You are undoubtedly talking about the exceptions, > > and I am talking > > about the average student. > > > > If you babble and bullcrap, go see what they "teach" > > at your friendly > > local teacher certification college. It is > > edubabble and > > psychobabble. I know, I have a Ph.D. from a college > > of "education." > > >__ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: For some reason I am drawn to this
It seems than at Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:52:35 -0700, Alex wrote: > Jim C. scared me off the yellow truck by pointing out that if > it has the original I-6 in it, it's pretty lacking in power by > modern standards. I would probably be wanting to haul manure, > old engines, etc. in it so that doesn't fly. If 1/2-ton is enough capacity for you, then it will outrun a 240D easily! How fast do you need it to be? I drove many, many thousands of miles in a 1/2-ton (with assist springs) van with that tough old engine. The van was typically at the rated GVW. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] `89 Mercedes 300E $4200
- Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] `89 Mercedes 300E $4200 > no > > John Freer wrote: >> I thought the W124 had the bottom plastic cladding in 89? >> >> > -- > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, > 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, > 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, > 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 > http://www.okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 3808 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080216/94f599c4/attachment.gif ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] eggshell
What's that old joke, "You know you're having a bad day when you're making a crossing on a Dutch ferry, and find your car sandwiched on board between a Ford Pinto in front of you, and an Audi 5000 with an auto trans right behind you". Ed 300E On 11/04/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > <> > > > Ever seen one that's been rear ended by, lets say, a '65 Bonneville? > > RLE > > > > > > ** > It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. > (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp0030002850) > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] eggshell
> <> > Ever seen one that's been rear ended by, lets say, a '65 Bonneville? RLE ** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp0030002850) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Politics and Economy
Brother Can You Spare 10 Grand? By: Peter Schiff, Euro Pacific Capital, Inc. Friday, 11 April 2008 The grainy footage of Great Depression soup lines and Hoovervilles now in heavy rotation on the major news outlets has been largely counterbalanced by a parade of economists who reassure us that such a protracted downturn is currently inconceivable. Their confidence stems primarily from the belief that government safety nets enacted since the New Deal, together with a Fed chairman who is a self-professed depression buff, will prevent a replay of the 1930s. As usual, this analysis is woefully optimistic and sidewalk pencil sales may in fact be a growth industry. Although Bernanke may have spent much time studying the Great Depression, his understanding of it is anything but sound. That epic slowdown resulted from a series of policy mistakes, first by the Federal Reserve and then by the Federal Government. Bernankes view is that these mistakes were simply not large enough. What the current Fed chairman does not grasp is that the seeds of the Depression were sown during the roaring 1920s when the Fed, in an effort to support the British pound, kept interest rates much too low. It was this unnaturally cheap money that fueled a raging stock market bubble. In 1929, when the Fed finally came to its senses and raised rates, the bubble finally popped. In his reading of this history, Bernanke ignores the effects of the overly easy policy and simply lays blame on the tightening. As the recession progressed, both Hoover and Roosevelt, in politically inspired efforts to ease the pain, repeatedly interfered with free market forces working to correct the imbalances. This ultimately turned what would have been an ordinary, though perhaps severe recession, into what we now call the Great Depression. This time around, the Greenspan/Bernanke Fed blew up even bigger bubbles and both the Fed and the Federal Government now show an even greater commitment in preventing free market forces from rebalancing our economy. As a result, similar to the way that the War to End all Wars had to be rechristened after 1939, future historians may need to come up with a new term for the Great Depression. Rather than acting as safety nets, the programs now being devised by government will act more like snares, further impeding market forces from righting the ship. But for those who insist that a new New Deal is needed, it is important to retain a sense of scale. Prior to the massive expansion of Federal programs in 1933, the government was very small relative to the economy of that time. Though I believe that many of the economic policies of the New Deal were unwise and simply prolonged the Depression, at least back then we could afford them. Today of course, the Federal Government is already enormous, and any increase in spending will either have to be financed by further borrowing from abroad or though additional money printing by the Fed. For his part, Bernanke blames the Depression on the Fed not printing enough money. Had the Fed done precisely what Bernanke now thinks they should have, the Great Depression would have been much worse. Had the Fed tried to re-inflate the stock market bubble or keep it from bursting in the first place, its the dollar that would have collapsed, and Depression-era America would have looked liked Weimar Republic Germany. As bad as the Great Depression was, hyperinflation would have made it even worse. The good news is that there is still time to alter course and steer clear of both hyper-inflation and depression. The bad news is that if we remain on our current course that is precisely where we will end up. Our days of dominating the global economy are clearly coming to an end. The only question is will we follow the path of Great Britain or Argentina? http://news.goldseek.com/EuroCapital/1207938674.php ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: For some reason I am drawn to this
Shouldn't be any problem with an inline 6 hauling heavy stuff. They have good torque. You just would'nt do all that well on the freeway onramp trying to get to 75 mph. Once cruising, no problem. I have had a couple of the old inline Chevy 6's and my father had a couple of the Fords. Not a hotrod but not a problem either. Randy -Original Message- > > Is this old truck worth $600? Does it really have a V6 or is this > > > Did you buy it yet? > Put down the Mountain Dew and back away slowly, Ed... No, I'm instead spending my "economic stimulus" check on the beater 300E I've been posting about (and the parts it needs). Jim C. scared me off the yellow truck by pointing out that if it has the original I-6 in it, it's pretty lacking in power by modern standards. I would probably be wanting to haul manure, old engines, etc. in it so that doesn't fly. Alex _ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: For some reason I am drawn to this
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Ed Booher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/634821523.html > > > Looking at the ad again, I'm also still wondering what the left rear "brealing" is, and what exactly might be involved in R&R-ing it! Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: For some reason I am drawn to this
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Ed Booher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/634821523.html > > > > Is this old truck worth $600? Does it really have a V6 or is this > > > Did you buy it yet? > Put down the Mountain Dew and back away slowly, Ed... No, I'm instead spending my "economic stimulus" check on the beater 300E I've been posting about (and the parts it needs). Jim C. scared me off the yellow truck by pointing out that if it has the original I-6 in it, it's pretty lacking in power by modern standards. I would probably be wanting to haul manure, old engines, etc. in it so that doesn't fly. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: For some reason I am drawn to this
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/634821523.html > > Is this old truck worth $600? Does it really have a V6 or is this Did you buy it yet? EdB -- "I'm a Night Elf Mohawk!" - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Too-cheap-to-be-true 300E update
If Kaleb thinks it's a good deal, I better jump on it. Apparently U-Pull-It offered her $350. I will have to match that. Alex On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 2:54 AM, Hendrik & Fay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I hear the jingle of truck keys as a certain Okie gets ready to head out > :-) > > Hendrik > who just about finished converting the 230E but now has to cull the > herd, according to the missus > > > > Alex Chamberlain wrote: > > OK, our story continues... the seller just emailed me saying she has > > given up on selling---as drivable, I mean---the '86 300E with the bad > > alternator, leaky exhaust manifold, leaky timing cover, broken > > sunroof, broken ACC, bad head gasket, and who knows what else, and > > will entertain offers for it as a parts car just to get it out of her > > garage. > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Man bites dog, was guns Now - Back to Guns OT OT
Same Senator Dodd. I do not think his motives were suspect, he was quite verbaly & publicly anti-gun. I found it very interesting on how often guns seem to harm those they were bought to protect. Pete, who actually still owns Grt G'Pa's 44 cal. Cap&Ball. -- Original message -- From: Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Was that the same Senator Dodd who asked the Library of Congress for a > translation of Hitler's gun registration laws of the 1930s before authoring > the "Dodd Bill", which became the Gun Control Act of 1968? Let's just > say his motives (and integrity) are a bit suspect. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gave in... WAS: Must... resist... temptation
Having recently graduated magna cum laude from one of the leading colleges of education and research universities in the southeast, I wholeheartedly agree with Loren. I was seriously disillusioned at the content of general studies, although I was in special education, which is far more into methods and results than content. The general level of knowledge in the "regular ed." students that I worked with from time to time was stunning, and I mean that in a negative way. General knowledge, classical literature, etc., has, in my opinion, pretty much disappeared from general education. Certainly there is specific coursework at higher levels, such as high school, but the general population of students don't get a lot of good, basic information. At least that's my take on it. My faculty advisor was really unhappy that I didn't continue grad school, but in all honesty, I saw it as a huge waste of my time (and money.) While working in a research institution can be fun and exciting at times, I wasn't motivated by this enough to carry on. That's also one of the reasons why I'm going back into the business world (besides the money.) I don't see education being a fulfilling (to me) line of work. (Spelling police hat on) By the way, it's "Archimedes". (Spelling police hat off) Dan --- Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But do they know anything about European or > American history? Do > they even know who Aristotle was? Do they know > anything about Archemedes? > > You are undoubtedly talking about the exceptions, > and I am talking > about the average student. > > If you babble and bullcrap, go see what they "teach" > at your friendly > local teacher certification college. It is > edubabble and > psychobabble. I know, I have a Ph.D. from a college > of "education." __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Man bites dog, was guns Now - Back to Guns OT OT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > About 30 years ago (Yes, a long time), there was a government issued paper > (Sen. Dod from CT. I believe) that stated that AT THAT TIME, the majority of > gun deaths in this country were a result of misuse of a gun on someone who it > was bought to protect. Was that the same Senator Dodd who asked the Library of Congress for a translation of Hitler's gun registration laws of the 1930s before authoring the "Dodd Bill", which became the Gun Control Act of 1968? Let's just say his motives (and integrity) are a bit suspect. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Early vs. late gasser W126
Hi guys, I've started looking at gasser 126 cars (real cheap these days with regular @ $3.50/gal!) and I keep seeing 500SELs, 560SELs, and 420SELs in pretty much the same price range, considering condition. Seems like all other things being equal, an '85 500 in good shape is a better deal than an '86 420, since the difference in fuel economy is more than cancelled out by the fact that the 420 requires premium. Besides the obvious (iron vs. aluminum block, flush headlights, 15" wheels) are there any differences worth considering between the pre- and post-'86 cars? Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Man bites dog, was guns Now - Back to Guns OT OT
About 30 years ago (Yes, a long time), there was a government issued paper (Sen. Dod from CT. I believe) that stated that AT THAT TIME, the majority of gun deaths in this country were a result of misuse of a gun on someone who it was bought to protect. Seemed resonable to me AT THE TIME: Suicide, act of passion, shot a child by mistake, outbursts by someone who becomes unstable, etc. I'd gladly fight for the right for competant folks to own guns, I wouldn't have one in my home. Pete -- Original message -- From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> . I will have to look up the stats (they're around > here) but I think the instances of a gun beong used on the owner are rare. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gave in... WAS: Must... resist... temptation
But do they know anything about European or American history? Do they even know who Aristotle was? Do they know anything about Archemedes? You are undoubtedly talking about the exceptions, and I am talking about the average student. If you babble and bullcrap, go see what they "teach" at your friendly local teacher certification college. It is edubabble and psychobabble. I know, I have a Ph.D. from a college of "education." At 09:12 AM 4/11/2008, you wrote: >This is a babble of Bullcrap > >My Grand Kids at H/S far exceed my wildest expectations when I was in U of Ct. > >Back than I could extract a cube root, They can do it with a >calculator and THEY KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THE RESULTANT. > >Pete > >-- Original message -- >From: Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Do you think it is an accident that an eighth grader from a hundred > > years ago knows more than a college grad today? >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gave in... WAS: Must... resist... temptation
> I stand by my prior statement: Free trade works, socialism doesn't "I believe that free market capitalism is the best path to prosperity!" Larry Kudlow Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Man bites dog, was guns Now - Back to Guns OT OT
Hendrik - You wrote <> I suspect your ideas about gun violence comes from TV and the movies. Gun owners (not criminals, but law abiding citizens who happen to own guns) do not operate this way. If they did they'd all be behind bars. As I've said before, using a gun - even showing it to let others know you are armed - can stop/prevent a violent confrontation - but there's a price that comes with that act. It's entirely possible the gun owner will spend some time in jail for that simple act. And if he were to use the gun it is 99% likely he will spend at least a few days in jail - maybe longer while the cops and attorneys decide if the use of the firearm was reasonable. If they decide no, he gets a lawyer and goes to court and possibly prison. If the situation were the way you perceive it a large population of the law abiding gun owners would be in jail - using a gun when it is not called for has serious repercussions - for anyone except hardened criminals - who go from one crime scene to another - totally unaffected by gun laws. Hell, they might *kill* someone - does anyone believe they respect a gun law when they don't respect the law against murder? You wrote < of society you have created for yourselves? In a >> You mean taking the responsiblity for my family's safety? Yeah, that's an awful way to live. ;-\ As opposed to being assaulted and or murdered while waiting for the police? BTW, did you know the police do not have a duty to protect someone? according to the Supreme Ct at least. There's nothing wrong with having the ability to save the life of someone in my family - I'd feel better about shooting someone who was harming my child than wringing my hands after my child was killed and wishing the police had gotten there faster! And you want to talk them out of it? It is a fact that the police will arrive at a crime *after* it has occurred 95+% of the time. They arrive to do paperwork and ask questions, then say, we'll let you know if we find someone. You seem to have the idea that we pull our gun and shoot people who spit on our shoes? Wy to much TV Hendrik. That's typical though -- that's how most people living outside the US get their perception of what life is like here. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: "Hendrik & Fay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Man bites dog, was guns Now - Back to Guns OT OT > One of the problems I see with firearms is that it makes people lazy, > they don't try and settle arguments with diplomacy but rather just go > and get the gnn out and stick it in someones face. > After a while people forget how to resolve differences without resorting > to violence. > Then violence becomes the norm and pretty soon people barricade > themselves in their houses, armed to the teeth. > Don't you people ever stop, take a step back and have a look at the sort > of society you have created for yourselves? In a way I do feel sorry for > people who have to live with a tool of death ready to go but until there > is a strong mindset to change things, there will the Mexican stand off. > > Hendrik > > Tom Hargrave wrote: >> I've been watching this thread for a while and I'm not so surprised at >> how >> polarized the group is about handguns. >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Man bites dog, was guns Now - Back to Guns OT OT
All excellent comments Tom. I'd like to add a couple of things - Those of us who choose to own a gun/s take it very seriously (the vast majority at least) and understand the implications of using a gun i.e., we don't "flash" it just to let others know we are armed - we don't introduce a gun into a situation unless we are wiling to use it to destroy something and know the implications that go with that. The implications are very serious - we must live with the fact that we killed another human - even if that human was a monster bent on doing harm to myself or a loved one it would still weigh on my conscience although knowing I or my wife are still alive because of those actions would ameloriate the feeling a bit. As far as a gun being taken away and used on me or one of the other pro-gun people here? I think the likely-hood is small - if I am threatened with serious injury from someone - a burglar or mugger for instance who may get you money and stab you anyway - if my gun is out it's going to be fired before someone can take it away from me. But that takes a mind set that means I am ready willing and able to fire before the bad guy gets too close. And training helps keep the gun in my hands and not someone elses. I suspect you've seen too many TV and movies portraying a person meekly pointing a gun at some serial killer who has carved up a hundred bodies and is approaching our gun toter - and keeps getting closer and closer until they can grab the gun. I will have to look up the stats (they're around here) but I think the instances of a gun beong used on the owner are rare. As Tom said, if a child gets my gun it is my fault. Criminals are not affected by gun laws. There have been numerous studies where criminals were surveyed to learn their feelings about guns. They learned the criminals do not buy guns at gun shows or gun shops - they steal them or buy them on the black market. BTW, I read recently that UK is having a problem keeping the flow of illegal guns coming in from eastern European countries - all the guns smuggled go to criminals. The criminals surveys also told that the only thing they fear is a gun in the hands of a potential victim. BTW, the people who choose to get CCWs and buy guns help those who do not have guns because when CCWs are available the criminals does not know who is armed. I wonder how many anti-gunners are willing to put a sign in their front yard saying "No guns Here! We Are unarmed! Later ya'll - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Man bites dog, was guns Now - Back to Guns OT OT > I've been watching this thread for a while and I'm not so surprised at how > polarized the group is about handguns. > > Those who are opposed are opposed because of moral issues or fear. They > believe that we (Americans) should not own guns because guns kill people > or > they can be stolen from the gun owner and used to kill people. Some also > don't understand why someone would want to own a "weapon" when there is no > apparent need for one in this country. > > They forget to come face to face with a few facts: > > 1) To date, a modern handgun has never killed a person in this country. > People have used handguns to kill people. The handgun was just the weapon > of > choice and there are many other choices available. Kitchen knives, > baseball > bats, hammers, etc, etc. Maybe we should ban all of these "weapons"? > > 2) To date no-one has been accidentally killed by a modern handgun. Every > handgun "accident" is the direct responsibility of the handgun owner, no > exception. If you have kids or grandkids in the house and you have > handguns > "available" and a 4 year old finds one, pulls the trigger, it goes "bang" > and kills his sister, it's 100% your fault as the gun owner. > > 3) Banning handguns will not take them out of the hands of the "bad guys". > > 4) Handgun ownership can be a very rewarding hobby. Those of us who like > to > go out and shoot have as much fun with our handguns as someone who plays > football, rides a bicycle or goes fishing. It's not all a redneck macho > thing as some on this list would suggest. > > And thinking of fishing - we should ban fishing! How dare we present a > fish > with a tasty morsel of food, only to use a sharp hook to forcibly drag him > out of the water by his mouth. Then we slide him on a piece of rope along > with the other "poor unfortunate fish" where he slowly suffocates to > death. > > By the way, I fish too. The above argument is right in line with some of > the > "anti-handgun" arguments I've read in these posts. > > Thanks, > Tom Ha
Re: [MBZ] Gave in... WAS: Must... resist... temptation
This is a babble of Bullcrap My Grand Kids at H/S far exceed my wildest expectations when I was in U of Ct. Back than I could extract a cube root, They can do it with a calculator and THEY KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THE RESULTANT. Pete -- Original message -- From: Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Do you think it is an accident that an eighth grader from a hundred > years ago knows more than a college grad today? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gave in... WAS: Must... resist... temptation
China is not socialist.. It is a free market at the top. They have a big problem trying to keep the hoards form not demanding their share. The fat cats at the top want to keep the free market to themselves, and hoard all the goodies. THey still talk socialism to the hoards as a way to contain them and keep them poor and ignorant. Do you think it is an accident that an eighth grader from a hundred years ago knows more than a college grad today? The problem we have in the US, is that we are NOT a free market. There are restrictions on free trade everywhere. If you want to learn about relatively free trade, look at the period from 1870 to 1910 in the USA. To run a small business that only grosses 60-80k a year, and is a net loss, I have to have no less than 5 licenses (State and Federal) and so many restrictive regulations I can't even begin to count them. I am subject to random inspection by at least 3 federal agencies and at least 3 state agencies. Not to mention confiscatory taxes on everything except breathing, but hold your breath, because breathing will be taxed soon. (Carbon tax) We are a FAR cry from free trade in the USA. As for the fat cats in the US, many of the big corporations only exist because of regulation and favorable legislation. In a true free enterprise system, they would die, because they can't move fast enough. I stand by my prior statement: Free trade works, socialism doesn't At 05:10 AM 4/11/2008, you wrote: >Whilst on the surface free enterprise seems like a fine thing, when you >take into consideration monopolies and corruption it too can be a bad >thing, not too mention turning people into money hungry A holes. >Also not every socialist "experiment' has failed...yet but does >need to be modified away from the doctrine set out by Marx and Engels, >think China. The problem I see with true socialism is that it goes >against human nature, whilst capitalism works well with human nature. >I do see the US as an odd mixture of pure capitalism mixed in with a bit >of national socialism/patriotism/racism and a few other ism's that >haven't even been thought up yet. > >Hendrik > >Loren Faeth wrote: > > Every socialist experiment has failed, before or after Karl Marx. In > > the USA, we have had the french Icarian Society, failed in mid-1800s, > > the Amana colonies, disbanded/reformed (free enterprise) in > > 1930s. Or you can look at the USSR, a shining example of a happy > > prosperous society, or how about how Jimmy Cawtuh forced Rhodesia to > > turn itself from a prosperous country into a socialist hellhole. The > > list goes on and on but the premise existed long before > > Marx. The Jamestown colony was founded 400 years ago as a socialist > > experiment. After a good number of colonists died from lack of food > > and shelter, they reformed into a free enterprise society, and > > prospered. GO figger. Free enterprise works, socialism does > > not. Now do y'all want Billary or Osama fer president? > > > > At 08:19 PM 4/10/2008, you wrote: > > > > > >> Also, Socialism is a form of government that "refers to a group of > >> ideologies and political movements with the goal of a > socio-economic system > >> in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by > >> the community." > >> > > > > Loren Faeth > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] R 32CDI
Younger son has an 07 R320 CDI. 'Just occurred to me - wonder if I oughta "put my name on it" for him to "hand it down" to me when he's finished with it - 'pends on how long it takes for 'im to finish with it, of course. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Philosophy
> The problem I see with true socialism is that it goes against > human nature, whilst capitalism works well with human nature. That has always been its [socialism/communism] biggest sin, that it ignores human nature. That experiment never lasts long. Think "they pretend to pay me, and I pretend to work". The planet is pretty much a closed economic system. It's swarming with human life, which once beyond feeding itself so that it survives is free to be largely happy or miserable depending on how well its internal politico-economic systems work. People vary. If happiness is a goal you need a system where people are free to pursue whatever makes them happy, governed so that this does not come at a higher cost in others' unhappiness. Motivated pursuers will be more productive, large groups of highly productive producers results in lots of things for the rest to consume. Visible success all around inspires more to try to do the same, which when properly governed results in additional bounty. So far, the US 'experiment' seems to be the best at turning out self-motivated producers. Far from perfect, as I'm sure is quite obvious to anyone, but the best we've found to date. It's a system that (so far) still encourages healthy competition, and that's the secret to its success. (Measured in happiness and comfort.) A myriad of other systems will also succeed, if you limit the definition of 'success' to merely keeping the teeming swarm alive. Not my idea of success, however. The poor, however, will always be with us. Neglecting tragedy, for which charity is appropriate, these are the unmotivated drones. And I say let them reap the rewards of their efforts, just as the rest of us do. The level to which I'm willing to let them sink is pretty darned low. (No house, no car, barracks life, food that might best be described as 'glop', probably rejects and scraps provided that it's not actually poisonous, minimal medical care out of a Boy Scout handbook. And a very, very obvious path outwards and upwards.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gave in... WAS: Must... resist... temptation
Whilst on the surface free enterprise seems like a fine thing, when you take into consideration monopolies and corruption it too can be a bad thing, not too mention turning people into money hungry A holes. Also not every socialist "experiment' has failed...yet but does need to be modified away from the doctrine set out by Marx and Engels, think China. The problem I see with true socialism is that it goes against human nature, whilst capitalism works well with human nature. I do see the US as an odd mixture of pure capitalism mixed in with a bit of national socialism/patriotism/racism and a few other ism's that haven't even been thought up yet. Hendrik Loren Faeth wrote: > Every socialist experiment has failed, before or after Karl Marx. In > the USA, we have had the french Icarian Society, failed in mid-1800s, > the Amana colonies, disbanded/reformed (free enterprise) in > 1930s. Or you can look at the USSR, a shining example of a happy > prosperous society, or how about how Jimmy Cawtuh forced Rhodesia to > turn itself from a prosperous country into a socialist hellhole. The > list goes on and on but the premise existed long before > Marx. The Jamestown colony was founded 400 years ago as a socialist > experiment. After a good number of colonists died from lack of food > and shelter, they reformed into a free enterprise society, and > prospered. GO figger. Free enterprise works, socialism does > not. Now do y'all want Billary or Osama fer president? > > At 08:19 PM 4/10/2008, you wrote: > > >> Also, Socialism is a form of government that "refers to a group of >> ideologies and political movements with the goal of a socio-economic system >> in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by >> the community." >> > > Loren Faeth > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Too-cheap-to-be-true 300E update
I hear the jingle of truck keys as a certain Okie gets ready to head out :-) Hendrik who just about finished converting the 230E but now has to cull the herd, according to the missus Alex Chamberlain wrote: > OK, our story continues... the seller just emailed me saying she has > given up on selling---as drivable, I mean---the '86 300E with the bad > alternator, leaky exhaust manifold, leaky timing cover, broken > sunroof, broken ACC, bad head gasket, and who knows what else, and > will entertain offers for it as a parts car just to get it out of her > garage. > > What should I offer her? I'm thinking slightly more than she'd get > from the scrap-metal orcs. $200? It has good tires and the interior > is very nice dark blue Tex... > > Alex Chamberlain > '87 300D Turbo et al. > > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ADMIN, Politics on the list
Yes. And every time I see BHO surround himself with an all-Black crowd, his true feelings on race are born out in his actions. Or perhaps he is willing to go against his true feelings in order to get votes. Either way he doesn't get my vote. I'm waiting to see if he is going to assemble an all-Black posse of henchmen like that nut Faraquhan does. Brian Who has never attended anything where only his race was allowed, and thinks his President should act in kind. Rich wrote (in part) the actual test is how you "identify" yourself and with whom or what groups you associate, if you have some aspect of your biological heritage that corresponds to others with similar biological heritage. So in that sense he became "black" at some point (per his sister's description of his "identity"). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Man bites dog, was guns Now - Back to Guns OT OT
A very very good alternative, but many of the same limitations and cautions apply (well except the possibility of an attacker to turn your own dog on you - maybe). What an ambiguous, contradictory area this is though - the protective dog. Most people want their dog to protect home, family and possessions, but almost none of them - at least among polite society - have a dog that will do so. Oh, they think they do, but they do not. Three scenarios exist as I see it: 1. You have an extraordinary and rare dog that will defend appropriately and be peaceful all other times 2. You have a good candidate for protection (owing mostly to the mental makeup of the dog) and you have paid the money and invested the time and trouble to have the dog properly protection trained (or you have the knowledge and resources to do it yourself) 3. You go through life fooling yourself thinking your dog will somehow know who is the good guy and who's the bad. You think your dog will welcome all invited guests and disallow entry by uninvited ones and will not really maul anyone - just do the job like the great dog that he/she is. A ready source of proof for this is the entertaining show "It Takes a Thief" on the Discovery Channel. They have been breaking into homes that have dogs lately. Every single one of the pooches has been useless. You got me going on a dog thing, Chuck. Brian On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > An Alternative.. Makes having a gun moot, maybe! > > Don't know if the pic will get thru.. > > Chuck > > Dog For Sale > > Free to good home. > > Excellent guard dog. > > Owner cannot afford to feed him anymore, as there are no more > thieves, murderers, or molesters left in the neighborhood > for him > to eat. > > Most of them knew him as 'Holy ShXX.' > > > >  > > > On Apr 9, 2008, at 8:39 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: > > >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
