Re: [MBZ] GLK

2008-05-12 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 8:38 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tha GLK is an '09 model. It's a small SUV sort of thing on the W204 C-Class
> 4-matic platform.

I thought the GLK was the thing that Jim Rogers, the commodities guru,
drove around the world:
http://www.4x4abc.com/JimRogers/prehistoric.html

Alex Chamberlain

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Re: [MBZ] OT Beer

2008-05-12 Thread Tom Hargrave
It was a long time ago and yes, that was the plan.

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Depends on if you are using the mustang to get laid.
BillR

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It's got to be easier than sex in a 66 Mustang...

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Tom ought to know of what he speaks about beer.  
Pete, at my age sex in a canoe is more of a distant memory than risk, but
back in the day I am sure I would have been willing to try it.
BillR  

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Unlike others, Sam Light is a 100% malt beer.

For those fortunate enough to be in their distribution area, Sprecher Micro
Light is also a 100% malt beer and is a great product.

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Sam Light is the only light worth drinking...

I'm into dark beer. A really good beer should slap you around a bit on the
way down.
I had a coffee porter that was outstanding not long ago, should get some
more of that.

-Curt

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"Light" beer is like, sex in a canoe.
Not worth the risk.

That being said, I do like Sam Adams light.

Pete  

   
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Re: [MBZ] Help! I want my 300D back! 380SL

2008-05-12 Thread Jim Cathey
> There are only a couple of inputs to the relay, the main
> ones are Crank and Tach.  (50 and K?)

50 and TD.  TD is fed from the ignition module, same signal
that feeds the tach.  It also needs to be getting good power
and ground on 15 and 31, _not_ 87 (which you've already proven
out).  (That's pin numbers 9 and 11, not pin 8.)  Those power
the guts of the relay itself, 87 only supplies the current
for the fuel pump itself via 87k.

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Re: [MBZ] Help! I want my 300D back! 380SL

2008-05-12 Thread Jim Cathey
> in.  No Go, with either relay.  FP still runs with a jumper between
> 30 and 87a terminals.  FP does not run with either relay.

There are only a couple of inputs to the relay, the main
ones are Crank and Tach.  (50 and K?)  It runs the fuel pump
while cranking and while the RPM is above a few hundred.  Some
newer ones, perhaps yours, also burp the fuel pump at key-on
for a second or so.

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Re: [MBZ] GLK

2008-05-12 Thread Mitch Haley

How would you like to be in the marketing department for any car company with
fresh ugly passenger trucks in the pipeline in today's economic conditions?

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Re: [MBZ] Drove my 190D today, electrical problems, long post

2008-05-12 Thread OK Don
Correct!

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 10:43 PM, Frederick W Moir
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> OK Don.
> Charles Martin Smith eats Mice!
> Fred Moir
> Lynn MA
>
>
> At 10:49 PM 5/12/2008, you wrote:
>>Anyone see/read "Never Cry Wolf" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086005/
>>He found the answer to the mouse problem 
>>

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Re: [MBZ] Drove my 190D today, electrical problems, long post

2008-05-12 Thread Frederick W Moir
OK Don.
Charles Martin Smith eats Mice!
Fred Moir
Lynn MA


At 10:49 PM 5/12/2008, you wrote:
>Anyone see/read "Never Cry Wolf" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086005/
>He found the answer to the mouse problem 
>
>OK Don, KD5NRO
>Norman, OK
>"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics."
>-Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain
>'90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply
>Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go)


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Re: [MBZ] GLK

2008-05-12 Thread RELNGSON
> < movie with a "GLK" in it, apparently something new?  What is that?>>
> 
Tha GLK is an '09 model. It's a small SUV sort of thing on the W204 C-Class 
4-matic platform. Every car mag that has shown it (many) has stated how ugly it 
is. They are right. I doubt that it would be much of an off-roader, any more 
than the sedan it's based on. Answers a question nobody asked.

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Re: [MBZ] What's a GLK?

2008-05-12 Thread Mitch Haley
Oh, the K is for Kinderwagen, not Kompressor

Wonko the Sane wrote:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_GLK-Class

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Re: [MBZ] What's a GLK?

2008-05-12 Thread Mitch Haley

A G-Wagon with a supercharged (kompressor) four cylinder in it?

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Re: [MBZ] OT Beer

2008-05-12 Thread Bill R
Depends on if you are using the mustang to get laid.
BillR

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It's got to be easier than sex in a 66 Mustang...

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Tom ought to know of what he speaks about beer.  
Pete, at my age sex in a canoe is more of a distant memory than risk, but
back in the day I am sure I would have been willing to try it.
BillR  

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Unlike others, Sam Light is a 100% malt beer.

For those fortunate enough to be in their distribution area, Sprecher Micro
Light is also a 100% malt beer and is a great product.

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Sam Light is the only light worth drinking...

I'm into dark beer. A really good beer should slap you around a bit on the
way down.
I had a coffee porter that was outstanding not long ago, should get some
more of that.

-Curt

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"Light" beer is like, sex in a canoe.
Not worth the risk.

That being said, I do like Sam Adams light.

Pete  

   
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Re: [MBZ] Duvel is overpriced

2008-05-12 Thread Bill R
Glenn - I printed your list to give a few a try.  Now I just need to
remember to take the list with me.
BillR

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Some think Anchor Steam is something special.  Personally, I don't.
Here are a few others which are also exceptional:

St. Feuillien Abbey Ale (Belgian Special Blond Ale)

Leffe Blonde Abbey Ale

Clovis Special Belgian Ale

Barber Belgian Honey Ale

Blanche De Bruxelles (Belgian White Ale)

Pax Belgian White Ale (Limburgs Wit)

If Michael Jackson (The one who actually made a positive societal mark in
his life) were still with us, I believe he would agree to these being top
notch as well.

G. M. Brown
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Re: [MBZ] What's a GLK?

2008-05-12 Thread Wonko the Sane
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_GLK-Class

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Rich Thomas <
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> I was watching some TV show a few minutes ago and an ad came on for some
> movie with a "GLK" in it, apparently something new?  What is that? There
> was a little pic of it, whatever it is, looked like an M or GL, but
> maybe something smaller?  Like the world needs yet another
> ute/crossover/wagon kind of thing.
>
> Oh BTW Sunday morning early I saw a couple out for a ride in a new BMW
> 1something convertible, it was white and they had the top down with the
> windows all up.  That looked stupid, and small too.  I gotta get my 76
> Eldo ragtop back on the road, put wunnathem things in the trunk for a
> spare.
>
> --R
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Re: [MBZ] 124 service CD

2008-05-12 Thread OK Don
I'll trade you the 107 CD for a Mercedes first aid kit box in good condition.

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I need the 107 cd's
>


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Re: [MBZ] diesel

2008-05-12 Thread OK Don
Get busy on the other two ---

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> damn you
>

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Re: [MBZ] Help! I want my 300D back! 380SL

2008-05-12 Thread OK Don
You're jumping the pins in the socket the relay plugs into? If so,
then you have power to the socket, and both relays are bad. Break down
and buy a new one from Rusty. If you don't have power to the socket,
then the problem is up stream, and you need the circuit diagram, if
it's an '82 to '85, pin 7 should be hot, and pin 8 powers the pump.
The diagram is on the 107 CD.

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is different, because the fuel pump does not run with the old
> resoldered relay or the new (used) relay in place.  The fuel pump
> does run and the engine starts and runs with the FP relay plug
> jumpered.  This leads me to the question of what are the inputs to the relay.
>


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Re: [MBZ] Nice 124 300D on Ebay

2008-05-12 Thread Peter Frederick
My TE gets 19-20 around town, never better than 24 on the highway  
(which is the main reason I usually take the 300D on trips).  My  
brother's 300E is sick (no mixture control at the moment) so I don't  
know what it does, likely 25-26 at most.

Diesel should drop a bit soon, as the home heating oil season ends,  
then spike back up again in the fall.

Peter


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[MBZ] What's a GLK?

2008-05-12 Thread Rich Thomas
I was watching some TV show a few minutes ago and an ad came on for some 
movie with a "GLK" in it, apparently something new?  What is that? There 
was a little pic of it, whatever it is, looked like an M or GL, but 
maybe something smaller?  Like the world needs yet another 
ute/crossover/wagon kind of thing.

Oh BTW Sunday morning early I saw a couple out for a ride in a new BMW 
1something convertible, it was white and they had the top down with the 
windows all up.  That looked stupid, and small too.  I gotta get my 76 
Eldo ragtop back on the road, put wunnathem things in the trunk for a spare.

--R

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Re: [MBZ] Stella Artois

2008-05-12 Thread Peter Frederick
Hehe, my favorite beer is the one I'm brewing soon -- nice decent  
gravity pale lager!

Pale ales are good, so long as they are NOT made with "C" hops -- I  
don't drink grapefruit juice except for breakfast, and that's too  
early in the day for beer.

I'm also passing fond of sweet stouts.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] 107 cd set? Braingears?

2008-05-12 Thread Mitch Haley
Usually there's a tach signal detector to cut the fuel when a
fuel line is broken and the engine quits. There can also be
a gravity switch to turn off the fuel when the car's upside down.

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Re: [MBZ] 124 upper console removal

2008-05-12 Thread Peter Frederick
And the under dash panels, the instrument cluster, the glove box, the  
AC vents, and the dash itself.

You need the CD, it has all the jobs in it.

When you get the heater box out, please reach in and get the plastic  
pin that holds the link between the floor flaps out BEFORE you take  
the side boxes off, else you will break the flexible bit and that's  
expensive.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] is this worth anything?

2008-05-12 Thread Rich Thomas
Is that thing a "finnie?"  I saw  one for sale on Sat at a body shop, it 
has been there for some time but this is the first I have seen it for 
sale.  White or cream color, body/paint looked really nice.  I did not 
stop to look at it, but I could if anyone is interested.

--R

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Re: [MBZ] Nice 124 300D on Ebay

2008-05-12 Thread OK Don
At today's price spread - you'll break even with a Diesel that gets 32
vs. a gas the gets 26. I don't think the 124 gassers get much more
than 22 to 24 do they? If so, the Diesel will be cheaper to operate --
till the spread increases.

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> Ok Don wrote:
>
> "I checked the VIN in the EPC - yes, it's a 300D 2.5 Turbo - same as my '92. 
> Snook - why aren't you all over this???"
>
> I am looking for a gas version.  The price of diesel is too high for me. I 
> don't put that many miles on my cars (10,000 per year), so I can't justify 
> buying something that take $4.50/gallon.
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT Linux Query

2008-05-12 Thread OK Don
Yup - some times we listen to him, not other times --

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 8:23 AM, Jeff Zedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks Don. It seems to matter a bit to Kaleb as he suggested we take
> this thread there.
>

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Re: [MBZ] Drove my 190D today, electrical problems, long post

2008-05-12 Thread OK Don
Anyone see/read "Never Cry Wolf" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086005/
He found the answer to the mouse problem 

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 2:33 AM, Kevin Kraly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The mice have finally recruited a driver!  yee haww!  Now,
> you've gotta get them to talk so that they can tell you exactly which wires,
> according to the diagram, that they've chewed through!
>


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Re: [MBZ] A Diesel Fuel Injector Bench Tester

2008-05-12 Thread andrew strasfogel
So am I in the idiot camp or the jackass camp, Kaleb?

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> I didnt mean all people who buy his crap is an idiot, well, you all know
> what I mean.
>
> Curt Raymond wrote:
> > I bought his sunroof kit and seat book. Both were decent and handy for
> somebody who just couldn't figure it out from the factory descriptions.
> > -Curt
> >
> > Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 10:05:12 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] A Diesel Fuel Injector Bench Tester
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> >
> > I've been happy with them. The manuals are great, especially for the
> >  somewhat mechanically challenged such as myself.
> >
> > The kits are outrageously over priced, but sometimes worth getting just
> >  to see what he uses, then buying the stuff yourself next time around
> >  (radiator neck upgrade, wheel restoration kit).
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >
> > Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Avoid buying anything from
> >  mercedesource. Ever. Rip off scam artists.
> > Google mercedessourse and scam/ripoff.
> >
> > -Rolf
> >
> > Robert Rentfro wrote:
> >> Is this anything? Looks pretty simple for two C notes. (hope I did
> >  the
> >> attach thing right)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Bob R.
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Memo to Kleb and anyone else with driveshaft vibe

2008-05-12 Thread Loren Faeth
Did you get the shakes solved on OK don's SDL?

At 07:16 PM 5/12/2008, you wrote:
>On all the ones I have looked at, the u joint has 2 lines that point
>somewhat toward each other.  The front end has 1 line.  The 1 line
>should be centered between the other 2.  I guess there are several
>positions it could be installed with the 1 line falling in between the 2
>lines, but I guess you want it in the most centered position.
>
>Loren Faeth wrote:
> > Just unpacked my junkyard 124 300D driveshaft  (1987).  I had them
> > match mark it before they pulled it apart (i hope)  The u-joint end
> > has 2 marks cast into the yoke.  The other end had one mark.  Neither
> > end had the two lines with a > to make an arrow, as previously
> > described on the list.  If the matchmarks are right, then the line on
> > the plain end lines up with the more counterclockwise mark on the
> > yoke, if you are facing the yoke with the splines pointing toward
> > you.  That makes the yokes on each end line up.  The junkyard marked
> > the nut on the spline fitting, and I forgot to transfer that line to
> > the shaft BEFORE i loosened the nut!  OOPS!  But I had lined up the
> > factory marks, so I used plan B.
> >
> > I put a new carrier bearing and mount on this one.  When I get the
> > other one out, I will see if it is obviously out of line.  I don't
> > like the feel of the u-joint, but it will likely be ok for a long time.
> >
> > I sure hope this works.  I don't want to spend $1000 for a driveshaft
> > rebuild/balance for a $3000 car.
> >
> > Loren
> > 1987 300D et al (If I can ever get the 380SL running so I get it 
> back again.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Loren Faeth
> >
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>   94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D,
>   89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
>   84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
>   76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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[MBZ] 107 cd set? Braingears?

2008-05-12 Thread Loren Faeth
I tried posting this earlier as a funny, but I still don't have 
answers.  Is thery anything like braingerars running now with the 107 
cds?  I need help troubleshooting the fuel pump electrics on an 85 
380SL, or at least a wiring diagram if anyone has a cd set.  TIA

Does anyone know if there is a temp switch that is intended to cut 
the fuel if the car overheats?  That might send a false signal to the relay.

(prior message)
MY 300D is being held hostage until I can get this gasser fixed!

Intermittent random stalling on Daughter's SL started last fall.  Was
ok warm, but sometimes would not start when hot.  Listmembers
suggested the fuel pump and or FP relay.  I changed the pump and
finally got a used FP relay and in the interim, I did a Cathey
resolder of the old FP relay.  Went out just now and plugged them
in.  No Go, with either relay.  FP still runs with a jumper between
30 and 87a terminals.  FP does not run with either relay.

This leads me to suspect a bad feed into the relay, rather than a bad
relay.  Can anyone find a wiring diagram for 1985 380SL so I can
check this out?  Any other ideas?  I am tempted to install a manual
FP switch in the interim time.  Then I could get my 300D back and she
could drive the SL until I get this fixed.





Loren Faeth
87 300D et al


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Re: [MBZ] OT Beer

2008-05-12 Thread Russ Williams
Yep Don,

Abita Amber is a good Amber beer.
BTW I live about 40 miles from the Brewery.
So we get it Fresh at the local stores.

Russ W.

Donald Snook wrote:
> Rolf wrote: "Duvel is overpriced and lacks in taste compared to some others.
>
> I had a 6 pack of "Crystal Weiss" this weekend. Some of the best american 
> made weissbier I have ever had."
>
> I am a wimp when it comes to beer. I like it VERY light.  I usually just 
> drink Miller Lite. However, there is one beer that is a little darker that is 
> probably my favorite beer in the world.  Its Abita Amber.  Probably only John 
> Robbins (down in MS) can get it.  It is a microbrew from Abita Springs, 
> Louisiana.  It really is great beer.
>
> Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] is this worth anything?

2008-05-12 Thread Loren Faeth
Yeah, it was probably someone a little higher up on the food chain 
than this list.

At 09:06 PM 5/12/2008, you wrote:
>Well I see it ended early, one of you low lifes probably make him a
>sweet offer to end it early. On 2nd though, I think everyone here to too
>cheap.  Damn
>
>Loren Faeth wrote:
> > Quite a project.  But is a 112!  Top of the line and rare.  Who was
> > on the old list that ran the 112 registry?  Knutson?  Bet they's be
> > interested in parts at least!  But the market is small.  not a whole
> > lot left in this country.  Factory parts are probably out of sight
> > now, like 600 parts.
> >
> > At 07:39 PM 5/12/2008, you wrote:
> >> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300se-K0584469_W0QQitemZ220234201088QQihZ012QQcategoryZ6330QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> >> --
> >> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
> >>   94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D,
> >>   89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
> >>   84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
> >>   76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
> >> http://www.okiebenz.com
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>   94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D,
>   89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
>   84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
>   76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
>http://www.okiebenz.com
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Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob

2008-05-12 Thread Wonko the Sane
Just occurred to me. He was at the IowaQ -- the guy with the beard and long
ponytail. He has since gotten a haircut and gave the hair away to Locks of
Love, Some of you might have gotten to meet him.

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Co-worker (actually, the supervisor of the folks who run buses for us) had
> a Pacific Coast before he went back to Harley (2006 Electra Glide, purchased
> new).


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Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob

2008-05-12 Thread Wonko the Sane
Co-worker (actually, the supervisor of the folks who run buses for us) had a
Pacific Coast before he went back to Harley (2006 Electra Glide, purchased
new).

He rode his all over, two up. And by all over I mean from Iowa to Washington
State, from Iowa to Florida, from Iowa to Maine, etc. He has told me several
times he wished he had tucked it into the back corner of his garage instead
of selling it. ... We are not talking a poser sort of biker here, but the
real deal, cross country w/ a tent strapped on the back biker.

His two car garage has two sides -- on the left is a bar and relaxation
area, on the right is a motorcycle repair shop (complete with hydraulic
motorcycle lift). Cool guy -- he even has a functioning urinal on one wall.

When I was looking to move up to something larger, the Pacific Coast was his
first suggestion. Just turned out they wanted too much for them around here.


On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 7:28 PM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> The scooter on steroids? The station wagon of motorcycles?
> Porky thing at over 600#...
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 18:55:41 -0500
> From: "Wonko the Sane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
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> I am going to throw a brand new hat into the Commuter Bike ring --
>  Honda
> Pacific Coast.
>
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Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!

2008-05-12 Thread Loren Faeth
try taking the old seal to a good bearing supply in a city.  Around 
here it is motion industries, although i am not sure they meet the 
"good" classification anymore.  If they can match the OD, ID and 
thickness, you could get a fit.  Might have to wait a couple of days 
to get it because MI does not stock anything anymore.

At 06:38 PM 5/12/2008, you wrote:

>I had an SV650S in my garage until Saturday. My friend kept it there 
>all winter.
>I rode it a couple times, real fun bike.
>
>I'm absolutely FRANTIC to find a tach mount oil seal for my CB900f. 
>Anybody know of a place that might have hard to get Honda parts?
>Its amazing since apparently this is a quite common leak. So far 
>AFAIK the only place to get this seal is in a $170 full gasket set...
>I hate to spend $170 for a 1" diameter seal.
>
>-Curt
>
>Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 16:53:17 -0400
>From: Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
>Aye, I am no longer allowed to ride (got the scars to prove it) until
>the kids are in college (I'll be damned if I wait that long). I had
>  been
>working on restoring a 67 Kawa Avenger, got what a beautiful bike it
>would have been. Sold it to buy a parts W123. Drum brakes are scary.
>I've had a variety of newish bikes, vf500, vfr750, cbr600, sv650. Sv650
>was by far the best. A little to small and the suspension was a weak up
>front but it was just plain fun. The VFR was a great bike but a little
>to heavy. Still would love to have an older BMW or cafe racer. Disc
>brakes would be a requirement.
>
>-Rolf
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] is this worth anything?

2008-05-12 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Well I see it ended early, one of you low lifes probably make him a 
sweet offer to end it early. On 2nd though, I think everyone here to too 
cheap.  Damn

Loren Faeth wrote:
> Quite a project.  But is a 112!  Top of the line and rare.  Who was 
> on the old list that ran the 112 registry?  Knutson?  Bet they's be 
> interested in parts at least!  But the market is small.  not a whole 
> lot left in this country.  Factory parts are probably out of sight 
> now, like 600 parts.
> 
> At 07:39 PM 5/12/2008, you wrote:
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300se-K0584469_W0QQitemZ220234201088QQihZ012QQcategoryZ6330QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>> --
>> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>>   94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D,
>>   89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
>>   84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
>>   76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>>
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  89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] is this worth anything?

2008-05-12 Thread Loren Faeth
Quite a project.  But is a 112!  Top of the line and rare.  Who was 
on the old list that ran the 112 registry?  Knutson?  Bet they's be 
interested in parts at least!  But the market is small.  not a whole 
lot left in this country.  Factory parts are probably out of sight 
now, like 600 parts.

At 07:39 PM 5/12/2008, you wrote:
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300se-K0584469_W0QQitemZ220234201088QQihZ012QQcategoryZ6330QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>--
>Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>   94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D,
>   89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
>   84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
>   76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
>http://www.okiebenz.com
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Re: [MBZ] [Banned] is this worth anything?

2008-05-12 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel
At 6:39 PM -0600 5/12/08, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300se-K0584469_W0QQitemZ220234201088QQihZ012QQcategoryZ6330QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

At least $17k!

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Re: [MBZ] is this worth anything?

2008-05-12 Thread Mitch Haley
LWB250 wrote:
> 
> The engine and other parts are worth 10x the asking
> price.

What sort of injection? Similar to the 6.3?

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Re: [MBZ] is this worth anything?

2008-05-12 Thread LWB250
The engine and other parts are worth 10x the asking
price.

It's an SE - fairly rare and very pricey parts-wise. 
As I think B1 pointed out, a distributor cap is worth
a small fortune alone.

Dan


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Re: [MBZ] 124 service CD

2008-05-12 Thread Dave H...
I have 126 CDs

Anyone care to barter for 124s?  


Dave H...

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> 
> I have the 107 cds here somewhere, I think.
> 
> If you send me your address offlist I'll pop them in the mail for you.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 124 service CD

2008-05-12 Thread Jeff Zedic
Kaleb,

I have the 107 cds here somewhere, I think.

If you send me your address offlist I'll pop them in the mail for you.

Zedic

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[MBZ] FW: Today's Diesel Prices

2008-05-12 Thread Tom Hargrave


Thanks,
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   On-Highway Diesel Prices, by Week and PADD
(Self Service Cash Price in Dollars per Gallon, Including Taxes)

Diesel Prices Web URL:
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/wohdp/diesel.asp

   Average All Types

US
NATL   EASTNEWCENTLOWER   GULF   ROCKY   WEST
 DATE   AVGCOAST ENGLAND   ATL ATL   MIDWEST  COAST   MTN   COAST
CA

   PADD   PADDPADDPADDPADDPADD   PADDPADD
 I IA  IB  IC  II III IV  V
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080512  4.331  4.377  4.463   4.516   4.310   4.298   4.268  4.276  4.454
4.547
080505  4.149  4.194  4.337   4.345   4.117   4.101   4.084  4.156  4.303
4.382
080428  4.177  4.230  4.346   4.376   4.157   4.133   4.113  4.141  4.312
4.390
080421  4.143  4.207  4.346   4.370   4.126   4.098   4.077  4.111  4.255
4.317
080414  4.059  4.117  4.239   4.266   4.043   4.013   4.000  4.039  4.176
4.234
080407  3.955  4.005  4.121   4.142   3.936   3.917   3.894  3.974  4.052
4.118
080331  3.964  4.014  4.130   4.160   3.941   3.929   3.907  3.972  4.049
4.112
080324  3.989  4.045  4.142   4.186   3.975   3.964   3.928  3.953  4.056
4.119
080317  3.974  4.035  4.119   4.177   3.967   3.958   3.914  3.892  4.018
4.083
080310  3.819  3.870  3.938   3.989   3.814   3.784   3.798  3.732  3.885
3.955
080303  3.658  3.700  3.813   3.825   3.636   3.639   3.609  3.573  3.736
3.803
080225  3.552  3.608  3.710   3.693   3.562   3.525   3.510  3.473  3.609
3.672
080218  3.396  3.444  3.588   3.526   3.396   3.365   3.367  3.350  3.454
3.511
080211  3.280  3.324  3.542   3.412   3.266   3.249   3.239  3.264  3.347
3.393
080204  3.280  3.338  3.566   3.438   3.275   3.243   3.247  3.260  3.325
3.377
080128  3.259  3.327  3.583   3.432   3.258   3.218   3.218  3.236  3.301
3.346
080121  3.270  3.343  3.594   3.472   3.264   3.228   3.222  3.229  3.327
3.360
080114  3.326  3.391  3.621   3.510   3.318   3.288   3.266  3.261  3.420
3.459
080107  3.376  3.436  3.644   3.554   3.366   3.345   3.318  3.276  3.474
3.526
071231  3.345  3.399  3.600   3.519   3.328   3.309   3.293  3.269  3.451
3.491
071224  3.308  3.356  3.584   3.497   3.275   3.277   3.246  3.268  3.411
3.434
071217  3.309  3.359  3.581   3.511   3.273   3.271   3.245  3.319  3.415
3.426
071210  3.325  3.372  3.570   3.514   3.293   3.276   3.265  3.397  3.440
3.455
071203  3.416  3.444  3.595   3.570   3.376   3.385   3.345  3.487  3.532
3.567
071126  3.444  3.453  3.590   3.574   3.389   3.423   3.360  3.527  3.587
3.620
071119  3.410  3.407  3.488   3.524   3.350   3.389   3.324  3.507  3.586
3.624
071112  3.425  3.415  3.484   3.523   3.362   3.403   3.347  3.532  3.608
3.663
071105  3.303  3.290  3.375   3.381   3.244   3.278   3.219  3.411  3.508
3.524
071029  3.157  3.148  3.250   3.251   3.095   3.122   3.062  3.281  3.394
3.406
071022  3.094  3.078  3.182   3.186   3.022   3.067   2.994  3.229  3.323
3.338
071015  3.039  3.023  3.122   3.125   2.970   3.025   2.941  3.169  3.229
3.249
071008  3.035  3.031  3.123   3.137   2.977   3.028   2.946  3.139  3.167
3.197
071001  3.048  3.052  3.117   3.141   3.008   3.061   2.975  3.100  3.090
3.143
070924  3.032  3.037  3.100   3.124   2.993   3.054   2.971  3.028  3.054
3.093
070917  2.964  2.961  3.025   3.054   2.916   2.984   2.903  2.972  2.998
3.023
070910  2.924  2.912  2.968   2.991   2.872   2.942   2.865  2.955  2.982
2.995
070903  2.893  2.867  2.915   2.934   2.835   2.910   2.836  2.939  2.972
2.985
070827  2.863  2.834  2.906   2.898   2.800   2.870   2.808  2.947  2.965
2.986
070820  2.868  2.842  2.915   2.905   2.808   2.864   2.807  2.977  2.996
3.016
070813  2.847  2.820  2.923   2.901   2.776   2.835   2.771  2.980  3.019
3.054
070806  2.898  2.866  2.955   2.945   2.825   2.887   2.824  3.012  3.077
3.140
070730  2.886  2.847  2.946   2.923   2.806   2.885   2.808  3.003  3.058
3

Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob

2008-05-12 Thread Curt Raymond

The scooter on steroids? The station wagon of motorcycles?
Porky thing at over 600#...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 18:55:41 -0500
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I am going to throw a brand new hat into the Commuter Bike ring --
 Honda
Pacific Coast.

   
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Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!

2008-05-12 Thread Wonko the Sane
I think I can get anything I need for my '72 Honda from Dennis Kirk.

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 7:07 PM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> This is the only part I've ever had a problem getting. It just doesn't
> seem to appear in the parts listings at all.
> Its a strange housing unlike all others I've seen.
>
> Considering its not so hard to pull the valve cover I'm thinking I'll just
> goop it back together and see if it'll hold.
> By the time I find a replacement seal I'll need to set the valves anyway.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 18:43:51 -0500
> From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
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>
> Honda does not support their older machines. A friend has a late 70s
>  750
> with a bad master cylinder & the Stealership told him "not available".
>  I can
> still buy anything for me 1976 BMW R75/6 and my 1992 Harley-Davidson
> dresser!
>
> Thanks,
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>
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Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!

2008-05-12 Thread Mitch Haley
Tom Hargrave wrote:
> 
> Honda does not support their older machines. 

They always used to. Back in 1986 my boss was bragging that you could
get parts for anything Honda ever made. I went to the parts department
and looked up a frame for a 1955 scooter, and sure enough it was listed
with a price. When I asked Joe about it, he told me that I might have to
wait for them to make it and ship it over from Japan, but I'd get one
eventually if I ordered it. Worst thing I ever did was order some spokes
for a rare Honda moped. The transmission was sort of enclosed in a huge
rear hub, almost as big as the rim, and the spokes were only about 2 1/2"
long. I waited about 6-7 months, but I got them. Probably made to order. 
Think they were about $1 each. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!

2008-05-12 Thread Curt Raymond

This is the only part I've ever had a problem getting. It just doesn't seem to 
appear in the parts listings at all.
Its a strange housing unlike all others I've seen.

Considering its not so hard to pull the valve cover I'm thinking I'll just goop 
it back together and see if it'll hold.
By the time I find a replacement seal I'll need to set the valves anyway.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 18:43:51 -0500
From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250"

Honda does not support their older machines. A friend has a late 70s
 750
with a bad master cylinder & the Stealership told him "not available".
 I can
still buy anything for me 1976 BMW R75/6 and my 1992 Harley-Davidson
dresser!

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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256-656-1924

   
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Re: [MBZ] A Diesel Fuel Injector Bench Tester

2008-05-12 Thread Robert Rentfro
10-4

Bob R

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Avoid buying anything from mercedesource. Ever. Rip off scam artists.
Google mercedessourse and scam/ripoff.

-Rolf

Robert Rentfro wrote:
> Is this anything? Looks pretty simple for two C notes. (hope I did the
> attach thing right)
>
>  
>
> Bob R.
>
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Re: [MBZ] diesel

2008-05-12 Thread Robert Rentfro
Don't tempt me...

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Robert Rentfro wrote:
> And, may I add, my 300D getting no better than 22mpg is annoying.

You could always buy my 300D. ;) Gets 29MPG driving like a madman.


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Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!

2008-05-12 Thread Wonko the Sane
I am going to throw a brand new hat into the Commuter Bike ring -- Honda
Pacific Coast.

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I believe the Silverwings were 550 CC and it was a water cooled V engine.
> They also produced a turbocharged version of the bike.
>
> The 750 CC engine of the late 70s & early 80s was the upright 4 cylinder
> version of the earlier 750 CC engine. They were great machines but I had
> to
> re-synch my carbs every 1000 miles.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
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> 256-656-1924
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of R A Bennell
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 4:44 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
>
> Drum brakes are still good brakes. One must usually upgrade the old bikes.
> Put on new hoses for one thing. Old
> hoses get squishy and that makes the brakes feel squishy.
>
> Randy
>
> Further comment to item noted below. I do not think that Honda ever called
> a
> 750 a Goldwing. The original Goldwings
> were 1000cc and then they just kept getting bigger. There were Silverwings
> that were 500cc I think.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Curt Raymond
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 2:35 PM
> To: Diesel List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
>
>
>
> Big difference between any '60s bike and an '89 Kawi.
>
> I sat on an early '70s Honda 450 the other day. I liked the look, liked
> the
> seating position, liked the price.
> HATED the drum brakes. They felt squishy and unresponsive. Tried another
> one, it felt exactly the same.
> Double disks on my Honda have spoiled me forever, the single on the Kawi
> isn't bad, drums I'll never have...
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:00:04 -0500
> From: Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Message-ID:
>  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
>
>
> Was true of 60s Beezumphs  BTDT
>
> At 11:58 AM 5/12/2008, you wrote:
>
> >Now thats just not true...
> >Again Kawi 454, 40,000+ miles on it. Runs fine, compression in the
> >120 range, starts easy...
> >
> >-Curt
> >
> >Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 02:52:22 -0400
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
> >To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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> >  The
> >Honda 750 Goldwings are reliable and will go 100,000 miles.   a
> >smallish two cylinder will die in a year!
> >
> >
> >Jim in Phoenix
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Re: [MBZ] OT Beer

2008-05-12 Thread tom savage
Donald Snook wrote:
> Rolf wrote: "Duvel is overpriced and lacks in taste compared to some others.
> 
> I had a 6 pack of "Crystal Weiss" this weekend. Some of the best american 
> made weissbier I have ever had."
> 
> I am a wimp when it comes to beer. I like it VERY light.  I usually just 
> drink Miller Lite. However, there is one beer that is a little darker that is 
> probably my favorite beer in the world.  Its Abita Amber.  Probably only John 
> Robbins (down in MS) can get it.  It is a microbrew from Abita Springs, 
> Louisiana.  It really is great beer.

Abita does indeed brew good stuff.  They've expanded their distribution 
in the last few years and grocery stores here in Missouri now carry it.

I've got an absurdly low tolerance and rarely drink, but now that the 
weather has turned, there's nothing like a good hefeweizen in the 
afternoon sun.

Tom

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Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!

2008-05-12 Thread Tom Hargrave
Honda does not support their older machines. A friend has a late 70s 750
with a bad master cylinder & the Stealership told him "not available". I can
still buy anything for me 1976 BMW R75/6 and my 1992 Harley-Davidson
dresser!

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I had an SV650S in my garage until Saturday. My friend kept it there all
winter.
I rode it a couple times, real fun bike.

I'm absolutely FRANTIC to find a tach mount oil seal for my CB900f. Anybody
know of a place that might have hard to get Honda parts?
Its amazing since apparently this is a quite common leak. So far AFAIK the
only place to get this seal is in a $170 full gasket set...
I hate to spend $170 for a 1" diameter seal.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 16:53:17 -0400
From: Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Aye, I am no longer allowed to ride (got the scars to prove it) until
the kids are in college (I'll be damned if I wait that long). I had
 been
working on restoring a 67 Kawa Avenger, got what a beautiful bike it
would have been. Sold it to buy a parts W123. Drum brakes are scary.
I've had a variety of newish bikes, vf500, vfr750, cbr600, sv650. Sv650
was by far the best. A little to small and the suspension was a weak up
front but it was just plain fun. The VFR was a great bike but a little
to heavy. Still would love to have an older BMW or cafe racer. Disc
brakes would be a requirement.

-Rolf

   
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[MBZ] is this worth anything?

2008-05-12 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
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Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!

2008-05-12 Thread Curt Raymond

I had an SV650S in my garage until Saturday. My friend kept it there all winter.
I rode it a couple times, real fun bike.

I'm absolutely FRANTIC to find a tach mount oil seal for my CB900f. Anybody 
know of a place that might have hard to get Honda parts?
Its amazing since apparently this is a quite common leak. So far AFAIK the only 
place to get this seal is in a $170 full gasket set...
I hate to spend $170 for a 1" diameter seal.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 16:53:17 -0400
From: Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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Aye, I am no longer allowed to ride (got the scars to prove it) until
the kids are in college (I'll be damned if I wait that long). I had
 been
working on restoring a 67 Kawa Avenger, got what a beautiful bike it
would have been. Sold it to buy a parts W123. Drum brakes are scary.
I've had a variety of newish bikes, vf500, vfr750, cbr600, sv650. Sv650
was by far the best. A little to small and the suspension was a weak up
front but it was just plain fun. The VFR was a great bike but a little
to heavy. Still would love to have an older BMW or cafe racer. Disc
brakes would be a requirement.

-Rolf

   
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Re: [MBZ] OT Beer

2008-05-12 Thread Tom Hargrave
It's got to be easier than sex in a 66 Mustang...

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Tom ought to know of what he speaks about beer.  
Pete, at my age sex in a canoe is more of a distant memory than risk, but
back in the day I am sure I would have been willing to try it.
BillR  

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Unlike others, Sam Light is a 100% malt beer.

For those fortunate enough to be in their distribution area, Sprecher Micro
Light is also a 100% malt beer and is a great product.

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Sam Light is the only light worth drinking...

I'm into dark beer. A really good beer should slap you around a bit on the
way down.
I had a coffee porter that was outstanding not long ago, should get some
more of that.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 16:42:43 +
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"Light" beer is like, sex in a canoe.
Not worth the risk.

That being said, I do like Sam Adams light.

Pete  

   
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Re: [MBZ] OT Beer

2008-05-12 Thread Bill R
Tom ought to know of what he speaks about beer.  
Pete, at my age sex in a canoe is more of a distant memory than risk, but
back in the day I am sure I would have been willing to try it.
BillR  

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Unlike others, Sam Light is a 100% malt beer.

For those fortunate enough to be in their distribution area, Sprecher Micro
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Sam Light is the only light worth drinking...

I'm into dark beer. A really good beer should slap you around a bit on the
way down.
I had a coffee porter that was outstanding not long ago, should get some
more of that.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 16:42:43 +
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et>
 

"Light" beer is like, sex in a canoe.
Not worth the risk.

That being said, I do like Sam Adams light.

Pete  

   
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Re: [MBZ] Memo to Kleb and anyone else with driveshaft vibe

2008-05-12 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
On all the ones I have looked at, the u joint has 2 lines that point 
somewhat toward each other.  The front end has 1 line.  The 1 line 
should be centered between the other 2.  I guess there are several 
positions it could be installed with the 1 line falling in between the 2 
lines, but I guess you want it in the most centered position.

Loren Faeth wrote:
> Just unpacked my junkyard 124 300D driveshaft  (1987).  I had them 
> match mark it before they pulled it apart (i hope)  The u-joint end 
> has 2 marks cast into the yoke.  The other end had one mark.  Neither 
> end had the two lines with a > to make an arrow, as previously 
> described on the list.  If the matchmarks are right, then the line on 
> the plain end lines up with the more counterclockwise mark on the 
> yoke, if you are facing the yoke with the splines pointing toward 
> you.  That makes the yokes on each end line up.  The junkyard marked 
> the nut on the spline fitting, and I forgot to transfer that line to 
> the shaft BEFORE i loosened the nut!  OOPS!  But I had lined up the 
> factory marks, so I used plan B.
> 
> I put a new carrier bearing and mount on this one.  When I get the 
> other one out, I will see if it is obviously out of line.  I don't 
> like the feel of the u-joint, but it will likely be ok for a long time.
> 
> I sure hope this works.  I don't want to spend $1000 for a driveshaft 
> rebuild/balance for a $3000 car.
> 
> Loren
> 1987 300D et al (If I can ever get the 380SL running so I get it back again.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Loren Faeth 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Beer

2008-05-12 Thread Tom Hargrave
Unlike others, Sam Light is a 100% malt beer.

For those fortunate enough to be in their distribution area, Sprecher Micro
Light is also a 100% malt beer and is a great product.

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Sam Light is the only light worth drinking...

I'm into dark beer. A really good beer should slap you around a bit on the
way down.
I had a coffee porter that was outstanding not long ago, should get some
more of that.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 16:42:43 +
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"Light" beer is like, sex in a canoe.
Not worth the risk.

That being said, I do like Sam Adams light.

Pete  

   
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Re: [MBZ] A Diesel Fuel Injector Bench Tester

2008-05-12 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I didnt mean all people who buy his crap is an idiot, well, you all know 
what I mean.

Curt Raymond wrote:
> I bought his sunroof kit and seat book. Both were decent and handy for 
> somebody who just couldn't figure it out from the factory descriptions.
> -Curt
> 
> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 10:05:12 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] A Diesel Fuel Injector Bench Tester
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> 
> I've been happy with them. The manuals are great, especially for the
>  somewhat mechanically challenged such as myself. 
> 
> The kits are outrageously over priced, but sometimes worth getting just
>  to see what he uses, then buying the stuff yourself next time around
>  (radiator neck upgrade, wheel restoration kit).
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
> Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Avoid buying anything from
>  mercedesource. Ever. Rip off scam artists.
> Google mercedessourse and scam/ripoff.
> 
> -Rolf
> 
> Robert Rentfro wrote:
>> Is this anything? Looks pretty simple for two C notes. (hope I did
>  the
>> attach thing right)
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bob R.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Stella Artois

2008-05-12 Thread Bill R
My list is growing.  Howe is it compared to my beverage of choice, Crystal
Light Peach Tea?
BillR

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Duvel is overpriced and lacks in taste compared to some others.

I had a 6 pack of "Crystal Weiss" this weekend. Some of the best
american made weissbier I have ever had.

-Rolf

Glenn Brown wrote:
> Forget Stella Artois, and go for Duvel . . . at the top of my list for a
> flavorful white ale.
>
> G.M. Brown
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Re: [MBZ] 124 service CD

2008-05-12 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I probably need to get that stuff in a secret location for list members 
on okiebenz.com

John Robbins wrote:
> Mitch Haley wrote:
>> Didn't Wonko take down his web server?
> 
> Not a clue.
> 
>> I wouldn't be surprised to see Wonko burn copies and mail them
>> to Wilton.
> 
> I've got a webserver I can put the W124 and W116 CDs on, but it would be 
> on an individual basis...  if Wonko doesn't have his stuff anymore let 
> me know Wilton.
> 
> John
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 124 service CD

2008-05-12 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I need the 107 cd's

John Robbins wrote:
> Don (the Wonko one) has them.  I gave him the W124 CDs at the IowaQ... 
> so he has those now as well.
> 
> Mitch Haley wrote:
>> Didn't Dan or Don or Jim or somebody have a server to download those at
>> one time? I got 116, 201 and 123 from that other site (braingears?) 
>> several years ago when it took me 20 hours to download a CD. 
>>
>> Wilton Strickland wrote:
>>> Will the factory service CD help me significantly for evaporator/dash, etc,
>>> removal on my 87 300D?  'Anybody have "good deal" on one?
>>>
>>> Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!

2008-05-12 Thread Tom Hargrave
I believe the Silverwings were 550 CC and it was a water cooled V engine.
They also produced a turbocharged version of the bike.

The 750 CC engine of the late 70s & early 80s was the upright 4 cylinder
version of the earlier 750 CC engine. They were great machines but I had to
re-synch my carbs every 1000 miles.

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Drum brakes are still good brakes. One must usually upgrade the old bikes.
Put on new hoses for one thing. Old
hoses get squishy and that makes the brakes feel squishy.

Randy

Further comment to item noted below. I do not think that Honda ever called a
750 a Goldwing. The original Goldwings
were 1000cc and then they just kept getting bigger. There were Silverwings
that were 500cc I think.



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Big difference between any '60s bike and an '89 Kawi.

I sat on an early '70s Honda 450 the other day. I liked the look, liked the
seating position, liked the price.
HATED the drum brakes. They felt squishy and unresponsive. Tried another
one, it felt exactly the same.
Double disks on my Honda have spoiled me forever, the single on the Kawi
isn't bad, drums I'll never have...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:00:04 -0500
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Was true of 60s Beezumphs  BTDT

At 11:58 AM 5/12/2008, you wrote:

>Now thats just not true...
>Again Kawi 454, 40,000+ miles on it. Runs fine, compression in the
>120 range, starts easy...
>
>-Curt
>
>Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 02:52:22 -0400
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
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>  The
>Honda 750 Goldwings are reliable and will go 100,000 miles.   a
>smallish two cylinder will die in a year!
>
>
>Jim in Phoenix


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Re: [MBZ] A Diesel Fuel Injector Bench Tester

2008-05-12 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
 From what I have seen, his manuals and kits are for idiots who dont 
know  any better.

Christopher McCann wrote:
> I've been happy with them. The manuals are great, especially for the somewhat 
> mechanically challenged such as myself. 
> 
> The kits are outrageously over priced, but sometimes worth getting just to 
> see what he uses, then buying the stuff yourself next time around (radiator 
> neck upgrade, wheel restoration kit).
> 
> Chris

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Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!

2008-05-12 Thread Tom Hargrave
There is nothing wrong with drum brakes if they are set-up right. Many older
sport bikes had double leading front drum brakes that worked great.

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R A Bennell wrote:
> 
> Drum brakes are still good brakes. One must usually upgrade the old bikes.
> Put on new hoses for one thing. 

I don't think I've ever seen a hydraulic drum brake on a bike. Usually
cable operated double leading shoe front and rod operated single
leading shoe rear. The servo action of a double leading shoe brake
takes a bit of getting used to. I'm glad my old CB200 had a cable
operated disk on the front. Lightweight, powerful and reliable. Brake
cables don't turn to caramel over the winter like brake fluid does.

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Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!

2008-05-12 Thread R A Bennell
You know you may have me on that one. I know it is common to change the hoses 
to better more modern style but you
may be right that they were in regard to disk brakes on the bikes.

I had a real interest in old bikes for a while but that was quite a time back. 
I had a 79 Goldwing for a few years
and read a whole lot of the British motorcycle magazines devoted to the Classic 
bikes.

Randy

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R A Bennell wrote:
>
> Drum brakes are still good brakes. One must usually upgrade the old bikes.
> Put on new hoses for one thing.

I don't think I've ever seen a hydraulic drum brake on a bike. Usually
cable operated double leading shoe front and rod operated single
leading shoe rear. The servo action of a double leading shoe brake
takes a bit of getting used to. I'm glad my old CB200 had a cable
operated disk on the front. Lightweight, powerful and reliable. Brake
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[MBZ] 124 upper console removal

2008-05-12 Thread Wilton Strickland
Thanks, Peter.  Yes, I'll need to remove entire center console and dash for
evaporator swap.

Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] 1983 300SD tranny control cable questions

2008-05-12 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
try jb weld

Kevin Kraly wrote:
> Darn, I was afraid of that!  I think I'm going to try to do it the 
> Catheyesque way and get the broken piece cut apart, taken off the cable and 
> get the 2 or 3 inches of threads that are still left to go into the 
> adjuster.  I need some good luck!
> 
> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
> 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] diesel

2008-05-12 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
damn you

OK Don wrote:
> IIRC, I got about 45 MPG on both the R69S and the R100, but that was
> awhile ago. I'm very happy with 30- 33 in the 602 engined cars. Update
> on the '92 that Kaleb's still crying about - at 778 miles so far, it's
> averaged 31.6 MPG - mixed city and highway.
> 
> On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 9:56 PM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Last time I checked (rarely do), my '72 Honda CB-500K came in a 60 mpg. That
>> was on a 200 mile round trip to/from a business meeting, running mostly at
>> 60 mph.
>>
> 

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Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!

2008-05-12 Thread Mitch Haley
R A Bennell wrote:
> 
> Drum brakes are still good brakes. One must usually upgrade the old bikes.
> Put on new hoses for one thing. 

I don't think I've ever seen a hydraulic drum brake on a bike. Usually
cable operated double leading shoe front and rod operated single
leading shoe rear. The servo action of a double leading shoe brake
takes a bit of getting used to. I'm glad my old CB200 had a cable
operated disk on the front. Lightweight, powerful and reliable. Brake
cables don't turn to caramel over the winter like brake fluid does.

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[MBZ] Duvel is overpriced

2008-05-12 Thread Glenn Brown
Some think Anchor Steam is something special.  Personally, I don't.
Here are a few others which are also exceptional:

St. Feuillien Abbey Ale (Belgian Special Blond Ale)

Leffe Blonde Abbey Ale

Clovis Special Belgian Ale

Barber Belgian Honey Ale

Blanche De Bruxelles (Belgian White Ale)

Pax Belgian White Ale (Limburgs Wit)

If Michael Jackson (The one who actually made a positive societal mark in
his life) were still with us, I believe he would agree to these being top
notch as well.

G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC
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[MBZ] Memo to Kleb and anyone else with driveshaft vibe

2008-05-12 Thread Loren Faeth
Just unpacked my junkyard 124 300D driveshaft  (1987).  I had them 
match mark it before they pulled it apart (i hope)  The u-joint end 
has 2 marks cast into the yoke.  The other end had one mark.  Neither 
end had the two lines with a > to make an arrow, as previously 
described on the list.  If the matchmarks are right, then the line on 
the plain end lines up with the more counterclockwise mark on the 
yoke, if you are facing the yoke with the splines pointing toward 
you.  That makes the yokes on each end line up.  The junkyard marked 
the nut on the spline fitting, and I forgot to transfer that line to 
the shaft BEFORE i loosened the nut!  OOPS!  But I had lined up the 
factory marks, so I used plan B.

I put a new carrier bearing and mount on this one.  When I get the 
other one out, I will see if it is obviously out of line.  I don't 
like the feel of the u-joint, but it will likely be ok for a long time.

I sure hope this works.  I don't want to spend $1000 for a driveshaft 
rebuild/balance for a $3000 car.

Loren
1987 300D et al (If I can ever get the 380SL running so I get it back again.




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Re: [MBZ] 124 upper console removal

2008-05-12 Thread Peter Frederick
Pull carpet behind the wood trim on the console and remove the screw  
holding the trim down.  Pry up on the tab (don't pull on the trim,  
you'll rip the tab off).  Once free, lift the rear of the trim up  
until the stuff unplugs and you can unhook the trim (and switches  
that stay in it) and remove.

Open ash tray, remove tray, remove the two screws on the bottom, pull  
assembly out, remembering to unplug cig lighter and lamp from the  
assembly before you pull the wires off.

Remove the two screws underneath the trim just above the radio and  
swing it up, unhook and remove.

Radio is held in by two clips underneath, find them and hold them  
released (don't remember if you push up or pull down at the moment,  
it's obvious once you find them) and pull radio out, unplug all the  
wires.

Two large screws and two small ones hold the climate control in,  
remove, then pry off the two large connectors to free it.

The bar holding the switches presses into place, but I don't remember  
if it's from the back or the front -- push firmly to the left and  
back, I think, to unhook the right side (look carefully, it breaks  
easily).  You can leave it swinging or unplug everything it you  
want.

Do you need to remove the console itself, or just the guts?  If you  
need to take the whole console out, unhook the carpet from the clips  
on the sides (two on each), remove the screws in the rear, the screws  
at the lower front (beside the gas pedal and opposite side, same  
place) and the two 10mm nuts at the top.  Console will then lift at  
the rear and clear the studs in the dash panel.  Note that you may  
have to remove both under-dash panels, I don't remember at the moment.

Peter
On May 12, 2008, at 9:43 AM, Wilton Strickland wrote:

> Anybody have any good tips for removal of '87 W124 UPPER center  
> console -
> radio, climate control, etc?
>
> Wilton
>
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Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!

2008-05-12 Thread R A Bennell
Drum brakes are still good brakes. One must usually upgrade the old bikes. Put 
on new hoses for one thing. Old
hoses get squishy and that makes the brakes feel squishy.

Randy

Further comment to item noted below. I do not think that Honda ever called a 
750 a Goldwing. The original Goldwings
were 1000cc and then they just kept getting bigger. There were Silverwings that 
were 500cc I think.



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Big difference between any '60s bike and an '89 Kawi.

I sat on an early '70s Honda 450 the other day. I liked the look, liked the 
seating position, liked the price.
HATED the drum brakes. They felt squishy and unresponsive. Tried another one, 
it felt exactly the same.
Double disks on my Honda have spoiled me forever, the single on the Kawi isn't 
bad, drums I'll never have...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:00:04 -0500
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Was true of 60s Beezumphs  BTDT

At 11:58 AM 5/12/2008, you wrote:

>Now thats just not true...
>Again Kawi 454, 40,000+ miles on it. Runs fine, compression in the
>120 range, starts easy...
>
>-Curt
>
>Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 02:52:22 -0400
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
>To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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>
>  The
>Honda 750 Goldwings are reliable and will go 100,000 miles.   a
>smallish two cylinder will die in a year!
>
>
>Jim in Phoenix


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Re: [MBZ] ninja

2008-05-12 Thread Rolf
Ya, $500 for a 250 is about right.

I've ridden but never owned a Ninja. Cant stand them, rubber band bikes.
No torque or power until upper and then its unwieldy. Love the V fours!

-Rolf

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>> 900A1. His wife finally sold it for $500. He rode it to Reno and back long
>> ago. Learned his lesson.
>> 
>
> Ive got to think that was a bargain for the original big bore crotch rocket.
> My favorite from that era was the 84-86 VF500F Honda Interceptor. Cheapest
> I see those is 3x what she got for the Ninja, and they look BEAT at that
> price. A beat up but running 1988 250 Ninja is probably worth about $500.
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[MBZ] 124 center console

2008-05-12 Thread Wilton Strickland
BTW, Alex, instrument needles, etc., on my '87 124 are still bright and
clear.  Car was parked in dark garage all the time 'till I got it nearly 4
years ago.  Lack of sun is a major thing that kept it so pristine - well,
that and a meticulous, caring owner.

Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] ninja

2008-05-12 Thread Mitch Haley
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> 900A1. His wife finally sold it for $500. He rode it to Reno and back long
> ago. Learned his lesson.

Ive got to think that was a bargain for the original big bore crotch rocket.
My favorite from that era was the 84-86 VF500F Honda Interceptor. Cheapest
I see those is 3x what she got for the Ninja, and they look BEAT at that
price. A beat up but running 1988 250 Ninja is probably worth about $500.

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Re: [MBZ] ninja

2008-05-12 Thread RELNGSON
> < to ride 80 miles than a Shadow, assuming he lived that long (seriously,
> Bob, a 600 Ninja and the other race bikes with headlights that it competes
> with are very dangerous in the wrong hands, if you move the throttle 1/4
> turn when you sneeze it will bite you).>>
> 
Speaking of Ninjas, I posted this last year...

<< .my good friend DJ died three weeks ago and we are wondering what the 
value of his '84 Kawasaki Ninja might be. It has 6400 miles on it and has 
never been laid down.>>

<>

900A1. His wife finally sold it for $500. He rode it to Reno and back long 
ago. Learned his lesson.

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[MBZ] 124 service CD

2008-05-12 Thread Wilton Strickland
'Spose "somebody"/Wonko/LTDon  would let me borrow,rent, etc., as necessary,
appropriate CD for a copy of my B-52 book, "In The BUFF"?

Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] STAR error

2008-05-12 Thread RELNGSON
> <>
> 
If I post it here, some do-gooder will blab. I'd just as soon wait to see how 
long it takes for the person involved to catch on.

Any long time MBCA member who is as smart as he thinks he is has already seen 
it.

RLE





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Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!

2008-05-12 Thread Rolf
Aye, I am no longer allowed to ride (got the scars to prove it) until
the kids are in college (I'll be damned if I wait that long). I had been
working on restoring a 67 Kawa Avenger, got what a beautiful bike it
would have been. Sold it to buy a parts W123. Drum brakes are scary.
I've had a variety of newish bikes, vf500, vfr750, cbr600, sv650. Sv650
was by far the best. A little to small and the suspension was a weak up
front but it was just plain fun. The VFR was a great bike but a little
to heavy. Still would love to have an older BMW or cafe racer. Disc
brakes would be a requirement.

-Rolf

Curt Raymond wrote:
> Big difference between any '60s bike and an '89 Kawi.
>
> I sat on an early '70s Honda 450 the other day. I liked the look, liked the 
> seating position, liked the price.
> HATED the drum brakes. They felt squishy and unresponsive. Tried another one, 
> it felt exactly the same.
> Double disks on my Honda have spoiled me forever, the single on the Kawi 
> isn't bad, drums I'll never have...
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:00:04 -0500
> From: Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Message-ID:
>  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
>
> Was true of 60s Beezumphs  BTDT
>
> At 11:58 AM 5/12/2008, you wrote:
>
>   
>> Now thats just not true...
>> Again Kawi 454, 40,000+ miles on it. Runs fine, compression in the 
>> 120 range, starts easy...
>>
>> -Curt
>>
>> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 02:52:22 -0400
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>> 
>>  The
>> Honda 750 Goldwings are reliable and will go 100,000 miles.   a
>> smallish two cylinder will die in a year!
>> 
>>
>> Jim in Phoenix
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!

2008-05-12 Thread Curt Raymond

Big difference between any '60s bike and an '89 Kawi.

I sat on an early '70s Honda 450 the other day. I liked the look, liked the 
seating position, liked the price.
HATED the drum brakes. They felt squishy and unresponsive. Tried another one, 
it felt exactly the same.
Double disks on my Honda have spoiled me forever, the single on the Kawi isn't 
bad, drums I'll never have...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:00:04 -0500
From: Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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Was true of 60s Beezumphs  BTDT

At 11:58 AM 5/12/2008, you wrote:

>Now thats just not true...
>Again Kawi 454, 40,000+ miles on it. Runs fine, compression in the 
>120 range, starts easy...
>
>-Curt
>
>Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 02:52:22 -0400
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob/NOT!
>To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
>  The
>Honda 750 Goldwings are reliable and will go 100,000 miles.   a
>smallish two cylinder will die in a year!
>
>
>Jim in Phoenix

   
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Re: [MBZ] A Diesel Fuel Injector Bench Tester

2008-05-12 Thread Curt Raymond

I bought his sunroof kit and seat book. Both were decent and handy for somebody 
who just couldn't figure it out from the factory descriptions.
-Curt

Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 10:05:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] A Diesel Fuel Injector Bench Tester
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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I've been happy with them. The manuals are great, especially for the
 somewhat mechanically challenged such as myself. 

The kits are outrageously over priced, but sometimes worth getting just
 to see what he uses, then buying the stuff yourself next time around
 (radiator neck upgrade, wheel restoration kit).

Chris



Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Avoid buying anything from
 mercedesource. Ever. Rip off scam artists.
Google mercedessourse and scam/ripoff.

-Rolf

Robert Rentfro wrote:
> Is this anything? Looks pretty simple for two C notes. (hope I did
 the
> attach thing right)
>
>  
>
> Bob R.

   
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Re: [MBZ] OT Beer

2008-05-12 Thread Curt Raymond

Sam Light is the only light worth drinking...

I'm into dark beer. A really good beer should slap you around a bit on the way 
down.
I had a coffee porter that was outstanding not long ago, should get some more 
of that.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 16:42:43 +
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To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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"Light" beer is like, sex in a canoe.
Not worth the risk.

That being said, I do like Sam Adams light.

Pete  

   
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Re: [MBZ] 300 turbodiesel complete loss of oil - is it always fatal? How do you know?

2008-05-12 Thread andrew strasfogel
Sorry - didn't mean to offend anyone in the nonaspirated sub-clique. ;)  I
have in fact owned two NA 300 diesels, a '76 (identical to Randy's) and a
1980 300D (anthracite/sienna)..  They were both great cars but I got tired
of the noise...

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My euro 300D would pull 100+mph all day long. Was certainly lighter than
> my federal spec cars and had pretty decent pickup. The M pump should be
> a standard drop in replacement for anyone with an NA federal spec car.
>
> -Rolf
>
> andrew strasfogel wrote:
> > Cheapest "solution" or cheapest diagnosis?  There's no way I would drive
> a
> > nonaspirated diesel ever again!
> >
> > On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Pull the turbo off before you do anything and see if it runs better.
> Not
> >> likely to be an easy solution but it certainly would be the cheapest.
> >>
> >> -Rolf
> >>
> >>
> >> andrew strasfogel wrote:
> >>
> >>> My "new" '83 wagon was delivered yesterday.  Story is that it lost its
> >>>
> >> oil
> >>
> >>> when the PO was driving at 75 mph on the highway, coming up a hill.
>  He
> >>>
> >> had
> >>
> >>> a collapsed motor mount that gave way completely, causing the engine
> to
> >>> shift and cut the oil cooler line.  Voila! -- total loss of oil.  When
> >>>
> >> he
> >>
> >>> noticed the car losing speed and the engine warning light, he stopped
> >>>
> >> the
> >>
> >>> car immediately and had it towed.  The next day he replaced the line,
> >>>
> >> filled
> >>
> >>> her back up with oil, and the guess what - the car has no power and
> the
> >>> engine like it has a case of chronic bronchitis when idling.
> >>> Now that I have taken over this car, I have two questions.  1) What is
> >>>
> >> the
> >>
> >>> likelihood that the engine is "ruined" (needs a rebuild or
> replacement)
> >>>
> >> vs.
> >>
> >>> something slightly less drastic, and 2) how would a mechanic go about
> >>>
> >> making
> >>
> >>> the correct diagnosis?
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] 124 service CD

2008-05-12 Thread John Robbins
Mitch Haley wrote:
> Didn't Wonko take down his web server?

Not a clue.

> I wouldn't be surprised to see Wonko burn copies and mail them
> to Wilton.

I've got a webserver I can put the W124 and W116 CDs on, but it would be 
on an individual basis...  if Wonko doesn't have his stuff anymore let 
me know Wilton.

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Re: [MBZ] Help! I want my 300D back! 380SL

2008-05-12 Thread Loren Faeth
This is different, because the fuel pump does not run with the old 
resoldered relay or the new (used) relay in place.  The fuel pump 
does run and the engine starts and runs with the FP relay plug 
jumpered.  This leads me to the question of what are the inputs to the relay.

At 02:35 PM 5/12/2008, you wrote:

>My Saab 99 developed the 'no hot start' problem when it was parked
>for a year. Jumpering the fuel pump relay had no effect, nor did
>unplugging the relay (which should have helped if it were flooded).
>Nothing other than a minute or two of cranking would start it,
>and I never figured out why.
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Re: [MBZ] 124 service CD

2008-05-12 Thread Mitch Haley
Didn't Wonko take down his web server?
Did Jim Cathey ever have one?

I wouldn't be surprised to see Wonko burn copies and mail them
to Wilton.

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Re: [MBZ] Help! I want my 300D back! 380SL

2008-05-12 Thread Mitch Haley

My Saab 99 developed the 'no hot start' problem when it was parked
for a year. Jumpering the fuel pump relay had no effect, nor did
unplugging the relay (which should have helped if it were flooded).
Nothing other than a minute or two of cranking would start it,
and I never figured out why.

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Re: [MBZ] 124 service CD

2008-05-12 Thread John Robbins
Don (the Wonko one) has them.  I gave him the W124 CDs at the IowaQ... 
so he has those now as well.

Mitch Haley wrote:
> Didn't Dan or Don or Jim or somebody have a server to download those at
> one time? I got 116, 201 and 123 from that other site (braingears?) 
> several years ago when it took me 20 hours to download a CD. 
> 
> Wilton Strickland wrote:
>> Will the factory service CD help me significantly for evaporator/dash, etc,
>> removal on my 87 300D?  'Anybody have "good deal" on one?
>>
>> Wilton
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[MBZ] 124 upper console

2008-05-12 Thread Wilton Strickland
Thanks, Alex.  'Just ordered the metric Allen set from HF.

Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] 124 service CD

2008-05-12 Thread Mitch Haley
Didn't Dan or Don or Jim or somebody have a server to download those at
one time? I got 116, 201 and 123 from that other site (braingears?) 
several years ago when it took me 20 hours to download a CD. 

Wilton Strickland wrote:
> 
> Will the factory service CD help me significantly for evaporator/dash, etc,
> removal on my 87 300D?  'Anybody have "good deal" on one?
> 
> Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] 124 upper console

2008-05-12 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Wilton Strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Re. 4.5 mm Allen wrench:  Does Harbor Feight have an online catalog?  I'll
>  try to find it.

This is the set you want:
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=37862

Alex

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[MBZ] 124 upper console

2008-05-12 Thread Wilton Strickland
Thanks, again, Alex.  I've copied some of Dave Meimann's tips from
mercedesshop.  'Think I'll try to reach 'im.

Re. 4.5 mm Allen wrench:  Does Harbor Feight have an online catalog?  I'll
try to find it.

BTW, I do have the orig. radio.  Everything is orig. - very near showroom
at 108 kmi - 'pity to have to do this to this car!

Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] WAS Fuel Injector Tester NOW Mercedesource

2008-05-12 Thread Rolf
As a programmer the last thing I want to do is work on computers in my
car :)

Give me good old solid state or none at all. The thing I *really* hate
about newer cars is the black box.

-Rolf

Alex Chamberlain wrote:
> On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>>  Zen and the art of VW maintenance was the book that started it all for
>>  me. The only thing that scares me in a car these days is computer chips.
>> 
>
> Pshaw, that's what OBDII scanners and the like are for.  The cars to
> really watch out for are those that are new enough to have a lot of
> solid-state electronics controlling critical functions, but old enough
> to not speak a standard diagnostic protocol (pretty much anything
> Japanese or American from the late '80s to 1995).  Diagnosis on those
> is murder.
>
> Alex Chamberlain
> 124s galore
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Re: [MBZ] WAS Fuel Injector Tester NOW Mercedesource

2008-05-12 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Zen and the art of VW maintenance was the book that started it all for
>  me. The only thing that scares me in a car these days is computer chips.

Pshaw, that's what OBDII scanners and the like are for.  The cars to
really watch out for are those that are new enough to have a lot of
solid-state electronics controlling critical functions, but old enough
to not speak a standard diagnostic protocol (pretty much anything
Japanese or American from the late '80s to 1995).  Diagnosis on those
is murder.

Alex Chamberlain
124s galore

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[MBZ] 124 service CD

2008-05-12 Thread Wilton Strickland
Will the factory service CD help me significantly for evaporator/dash, etc,
removal on my 87 300D?  'Anybody have "good deal" on one?

Wilton


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[MBZ] Help! I want my 300D back! 380SL

2008-05-12 Thread Loren Faeth
MY 300D is being held hostage until I can get this gasser fixed!

Intermittent random stalling on Daughter's SL started last fall.  Was 
ok warm, but sometimes would not start when hot.  Listmembers 
suggested the fuel pump and or FP relay.  I changed the pump and 
finally got a used FP relay and in the interim, I did a Cathey 
resolder of the old FP relay.  Went out just now and plugged them 
in.  No Go, with either relay.  FP still runs with a jumper between 
30 and 87a terminals.  FP does not run with either relay.

This leads me to suspect a bad feed into the relay, rather than a bad 
relay.  Can anyone find a wiring diagram for 1985 380SL so I can 
check this out?  Any other ideas?  I am tempted to install a manual 
FP switch in the interim time.  Then I could get my 300D back and she 
could drive the SL until I get this fixed.





Loren Faeth
87 300D et al 


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Re: [MBZ] WAS Fuel Injector Tester NOW Mercedesource

2008-05-12 Thread Rolf
I should add:

Compared to someone like DieselGiant, mercessource is a rip off. I have
ALWAYS respected Russell for the quality help he provides on the boards
and his DIY article. I have even bit my tongue and purchased from him
knowing I could get better prices elsewhere (I am a cheapskate). His
markup is extremely nominal compared to mercessource and the fact that
he is active on the boards and gives out a lot of free advice makes it a
decent place to shop.

-Rolf

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Re: [MBZ] 124 upper console removal

2008-05-12 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Wilton Strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks, Alex.  That helps.  'Just trying to prepare for dash and evap
>  removal.  What about radio removal?  I know about lower console,  and I have
>  a writeup from mercedesshop about dash, speakers, etc.  'Have little detail
>  about upper console, radio, climate control, upper switches, etc.
>  Any tips on dash?

Wilton, if you have the original radio, it requires a special tool of
some kind.  I have no experience with that---every 124 I've owned has
had a newer stereo, which seems to always be a friction fit.  (Just
put your hand or a small helper's hand into the space left when you
take out the climate control head unit, undo the plugs, and push it
out from the back.)

The switches above the climate control---headrest release, etc.---pop
out towards the interior of the car, I think.

Re dash removal, I'd warn you, to preserve the cosmetics of your car,
be VERY careful with the side vents, since the clips are very tight
and the plastic is brittle.  If they break on removal, the vent
housings must be replaced or repaired carefully to stay tight and
square (i.e. you can't put them back into their openings broken and
trust the rest of the dash to hold them together).  Otherwise the tiny
plastic rack mechanism that keeps the louvers parallel as you adjust
them will not work as designed, and the louvers will get out of sync
and look crummy (and not work as well to direct the air!).

Before pulling the center vent, make sure you have a long 4.5 mm hex
wrench (Harbor Freight sells one as part of a metric T-handle set for
$10 or so) to release the lever that controls the main fresh air flap.
 The center vent is a friction fit on the left and held by one screw
on the right which is hidden and accessible only after you remove the
glove compartment.  The frame is metal but the body of the vent is
plastic and just as easy to break as the side vents.  Watch out for
the bulb and don't short the wires leading to it with the battery
hooked up, unless you want to blow the secret "red fuse" hidden behind
the instrument panel.  (Although if you are taking the whole dash
apart, a good job to do at the same time would be to not only change
all the bulbs in the instrument panel but also the red fuse, and
repaint the gauge needles.)

Can't think of anything else right now.  I haven't actually had to R &
R the dash in any of my 124s yet (knock on wood), but have done some
of the preliminary work as the above suggests.  I'd strongly suggest
that you get in touch with Dave Meimann, who hangs out on Rusty's web
forum and at the 500ecstasy.com site.  He's done this job more than
once and probably has some helpful tips.  (Tell him I sent you---he is
a big '87 300D fan and found mine for me.)

Alex Chamberlain
passel of 124s

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Re: [MBZ] WAS Fuel Injector Tester NOW Mercedesource

2008-05-12 Thread Rolf
I have never really heard anything about about the videos, help docs.
Its the markup on the products that borderlines usery.

Zen and the art of VW maintenance was the book that started it all for
me. The only thing that scares me in a car these days is computer chips.

-Rolf

Dave H... wrote:
> I cannot say that they are or are not rip off artists.  For I have never 
> bought anything except the how to books/booklets.
>
> BUT I CAN SAY - When I began to work with these Mercedes cars last year it 
> was their "Mercedes For Dummies" booklet format that made me believe in 
> myself.
>
>
> Dave H...
>
> --
> From: "R A Bennell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 2:17 PM
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] WAS  Fuel Injector Tester NOW Mercedesource
>
>   
>> I have not bought anything from them but have often looked at their site. 
>> Tried to buy a fuel filter water
>> separator but they were out of stock.
>>
>> They may be expensive and they may sell simplified stuff to some extent 
>> but I have to admire what I perceive to be
>> their good intentions. They do seem intent upon helping folks keep these 
>> old cars moving forward. Some folks are
>> not as technically able as some of the folks on this forum. They are 
>> probably helpful to people who would not
>> otherwise figure out things on their own.
>>
>> This sort of thing is not cheap to do or easy and the result is that they 
>> have to charge for their services. The
>> American way right? Everyone is entitled to make a good living.
>>
>> Randy
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain
>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 9:59 AM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] A Diesel Fuel Injector Bench Tester
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Avoid buying anything from mercedesource. Ever. Rip off scam artists.
>>>  Google mercedessourse and scam/ripoff.
>>>
>>>   
>> Really?  I've never bought anything from them but a lot of people on
>> the mercedesshop forum seem happy with their homebrew repair manuals.
>>
>> Alex Chamberlain
>> passel of 124s
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 300 turbodiesel complete loss of oil - is it always fatal? How do you know?

2008-05-12 Thread Rolf
My euro 300D would pull 100+mph all day long. Was certainly lighter than
my federal spec cars and had pretty decent pickup. The M pump should be
a standard drop in replacement for anyone with an NA federal spec car.

-Rolf

andrew strasfogel wrote:
> Cheapest "solution" or cheapest diagnosis?  There's no way I would drive a
> nonaspirated diesel ever again!
>
> On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> Pull the turbo off before you do anything and see if it runs better. Not
>> likely to be an easy solution but it certainly would be the cheapest.
>>
>> -Rolf
>>
>>
>> andrew strasfogel wrote:
>> 
>>> My "new" '83 wagon was delivered yesterday.  Story is that it lost its
>>>   
>> oil
>> 
>>> when the PO was driving at 75 mph on the highway, coming up a hill.  He
>>>   
>> had
>> 
>>> a collapsed motor mount that gave way completely, causing the engine to
>>> shift and cut the oil cooler line.  Voila! -- total loss of oil.  When
>>>   
>> he
>> 
>>> noticed the car losing speed and the engine warning light, he stopped
>>>   
>> the
>> 
>>> car immediately and had it towed.  The next day he replaced the line,
>>>   
>> filled
>> 
>>> her back up with oil, and the guess what - the car has no power and the
>>> engine like it has a case of chronic bronchitis when idling.
>>> Now that I have taken over this car, I have two questions.  1) What is
>>>   
>> the
>> 
>>> likelihood that the engine is "ruined" (needs a rebuild or replacement)
>>>   
>> vs.
>> 
>>> something slightly less drastic, and 2) how would a mechanic go about
>>>   
>> making
>> 
>>> the correct diagnosis?
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