Re: [MBZ] the Republican Candidate for VP
Hi.. Just wondering if there are any women on the Okiebenz MBZ list? If so, like to hear from you!!! I'm a man and find this attention to physical attributes very demeaning to this woman who is a candidate for the Vice Presidency. Just my opinion, Chuck Phoenix AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Harleys - was - the hottest VP
Depends on how you choose to sit upon your stead. The fairing will do wonders for diverting air as long as you do your part. Riding in a sit up and beg position just makes you a huge impediment to forward travel with a small fairing. My 81 R65 had a bikini fairing that did a fine job as long as I tucked in behind it. Would have done an even better job with the windscreen from a k75s bolted on to pop the air flow up and give me room to peak over the fairing more and flow over and around my system II. As it was, the flow was just low enough to buffet the thing if I got out of the envelope. clay On 5 Sep 2008, at 18:07, OK Don wrote: > My '84 R100 had a fairing similar to that, at speeds up to 100, it was > totally worthless. I think the "Cafe' Racer" fairing is only good for > parking in front of a cafe'. > >> What model Harley is that? It seems like there are loads of them >> around here all of a sudden. I think they're wicked ugly... It also >> seems like the fairing is pretty useless unless it somehow >> magically deflects wind away from your face in a way I can't guess >> at... >> > > -- > OK Don, KD5NRO > Norman, OK > "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." > -Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain > '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply > Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the hottest VP
Last year or so. Not her husband, but the suits for Alyeska and pipelines. Upped the royalties paid so that her citizens got a $1200 boost to payments each over and above the $2500 they already get. Hardship pay for having to live there. clay On 5 Sep 2008, at 16:22, Rolf wrote: > Uh, when exactly did she do that? Or are you referring to her husband > who works in oil? > > -Rolf > > Redghost wrote: >> If she can stare down the rapacious vultures in the AK oil industry, >> it will be a cold day in hell when some slav or oriental will get her >> trembling >> >> clay >> >> On 5 Sep 2008, at 14:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> >>> I seriously doubt that if the time should come that McCain dies in >>> office and >>> now-President Sarah is called upon to sit across the table from >>> Putin or >>> whoever is running China in an important negotiation, neither of >>> them will give >>> damn how "hot" she is or how many children she has produced or >>> whether she is an >>> NRA member. >>> >>> None of which have any effect on her then inherited "Most Powerful >>> Individual >>> On The Planet" duties. >>> >>> RLE >>> >>> >>> ** >>> Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion >>> blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. >>> >>> (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How my day went from good, to bad, to good, to bad, to
The really disgusting thing is that state schools are always grubbing for cash. They get so much of the budget and then (here in WA it is biennial) as the end of the funding period arrives there is a mad scramble to use up all the funds so that they can keep asking for larger sums. Were they ever to not use the money, they fear funding would be reduced. Local land grant is great about upgrading and gathering all the hardware they can each biennium. Then it gets a little used, but very functional, and ends up at the surplus auction or store. A person can snag a nice P4 for $100, or laptop for $25-160 depending on processor. Not even going to mention the lab equipment or the pallets of sports gear (NEW) that goes begging. I guess there are not many impoverished folks with size 15 feet in need of high end Nike shoes. clay On 5 Sep 2008, at 16:19, Mitch Haley wrote: > LarryT wrote: > >> Hmmm another question - I assume colleges & universities are free >> to donate >> as much of that 250mil to political parties of their choice? > > In addition to the millions spent on sports coaches, my local 'land > grant' > public university (another MSU) spends a boatload of cash on > lobbyists. Yep, an > entity totally owned by the state of Michigan hires people to lobby > the state of > Michigan for money. They've got a full time lobbyist or two in DC > also. > > Mitch. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the hottest VP
If you're looking for leg-shots of Palin, I think this should satisfy ya, although it's from 1982: http://www.serendipit-e.com/blog/images/sarahheathstatebb1982_1.jpg Our Governor General up here was pretty hot at one time too. http://www.tamark.ca/students/wp-images/jean_michaelle050803.jpg Tim -- Message: 17 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:14:02 -0400 From: Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] the hottest VP To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Found these fairly quickly: http://www.spock.com/Sarah-Palin/pictures?utm_source=SEM Vogue cover pic: http://www.spock.com/picture_frame/58e4133w6b7ae4a752 Harley & short skirt: http://www.spock.com/picture_frame/58e40dbwa38fc2f012 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM version
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Such a design seems peculiar. How fast is throttle response if you suddenly > need power and how jerky it? Electric injectors, I assume? You hit the throttle, it goes, just like any car without a locking converter. When the load is in the range where the computer locks it up, it will lock again, eventually. This particular 4T60E defines the term 'slushbox'. When you get 26mpg at 30mph and 36mpg at 60mph, something's not right in tranny land. This thing acts like the converter is only 50-60% efficient at low rpm. Since I rarely drive over 2500rpm, either I've got the converter locked or my mileage is crap. I've been thinking about what I can do to it. 1. Install a less worn or lower stall speed converter ($$ and labor, have to pull the engine) 2. Crank up the modulator pressure (would firm up shifts, but not do anything about converter slippage) 3. Install a manual converter lock switch. Sounds good in theory, but in practice it's not so fun if you forget to disengage it when you stop. I may do it with a momentary contact switch, so that it only overrides the computer when I've got my thumb on the button. 4. Switch my primary drive sprockets from 33/37 to 37/33. I've heard this can be done with the tranny in the car, but I'm not certain. Would be highly cost effective if I can just switch the sprockets I already have. If the computer bases transmission actions on vehicle speed, could make it shift and lock the converter at lower speeds and higher throttle openings. 5. Drain the ATF and put in Mobil One, maybe I've got thin, broken down fluid in it now. Easier and cheaper than #1, and probably needed. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the hottest VP
NO!! That's the lure of her athletic body! At her age, she MUST keep that athletic tone to be hot! GRR, padding is NOT HOT :D Luther Alex Chamberlain wrote: > On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Found these fairly quickly: >> http://www.spock.com/Sarah-Palin/pictures?utm_source=SEM >> > > She needs to eat a few more mooseburgers for my taste, or go on the > all-donut diet like McCain, but she's definitely comely. > > Alex > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 450SL on the cheap?
> Looking at this car. Any comments on the drivetrain? Known issues? It > clearly needs alot of work but could be fun weekend car for me and the > wife. Drivetrain fine. Evil Chrysler ACC from Hell not fine. Special areas are paint, rust, soft top condition, and upholstery condition. Everything else is normal MB. 107's are rust magnets, but most were also treated as toy cars and thus protected. Engine will likely need all new rubber bits, including valve stem seals. (That's about $100 DIY, including buying a spring compressor.) Don't know what all the other engine rubber bits add up to. The ACC is rotten, and expensive to fix. Parts are pushing $1000. I love 'em, that's why I've bought four so far. See: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc My last SL was $2k, looks like yours might be in somewhat better condition. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM version
> ..Perhaps I worded it poorly. If I lift the throttle on my Olds at > 60mph/2000rpm, > the torque converter unlocks, and the engine drops to idle speed, with the > fuel > meter ticking along at 0.40 gallons per hour... > Such a design seems peculiar. How fast is throttle response if you suddenly need power and how jerky it? Electric injectors, I assume? My C300's 7-speed auto locks up in all seven gears and stays there at speed unless I call for a downshift. RLE ** Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] KE cutoff?
Fuel is controlled by differential pressure between the two chambers in the fuel distributor. The ElectroHydraulic Actuator (EHA) is used to electronically control the pressure difference via a variable orifice and tapered needle, I think -- so when no fuel is called for on coast (closed throttle, rpm above 1500 or so), the EHA changes the pressure to give zero fuel delivery. This is why you really need to set the idle mixutre on a KE-JET system using the control current at the EHA -- it should be zero at idle, so that 20 mA will give the correct enrichment and -20mA will shut the fuel off on coast. Fuel flow is restored to idle mix below 1500 rpm, or whatever the actual cut off is -- D-jet it's 1500 rpm, and you can feel it cut back in. Peter On Sep 5, 2008, at 9:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> ...I think the KE system uses a cut off switch as well... >> > Since it does not have electric injectors, please explain what cuts > off the > fuel. > > RLE >> >> > > > > > ** > Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] KE cutoff?
> ...I think the KE system uses a cut off switch as well... > Since it does not have electric injectors, please explain what cuts off the fuel. RLE > > ** Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] more hill descents
> ..Cars with electronic engine deactivation coast, engine off, whenever > possible;.. > Name one. Off meaning engine not rotating. > > > ..and such programming is likely to become mandatory. > Nominally it's illegal (in some places), but the law is an ass: anyone > who drives a stick shift coasts, engine on, every time they put the > clutch in when approaching a stop sign > This is not what we are debating and you know it. > ...(Or maybe I shouldn't assume > anything about your manual-transmission use patterns, Roger, since I > recall that you expressed horror and skepticism that anyone would > match revs on a downshift, let alone double-clutch, while driving on > the street... > That must have been someone else because I always follow that practice. As a matter of fact, I routinely descend in-city hills in lower gears in my C300. And please do not tell me that brakes are cheaper than transmissions. > > ...My point is that coasting is a passive thing, while letting off the > gas going downhill in gear isn't; it's a deliberate attempt to slow > the car via engine braking... > It's a part of normal everyday driving. Don't you have any hills wherever you live? > ...Closing the injectors and suspending spark seems like a designed-in > attempt to aid the latter, with a little fuel savings as a nice side > effect > The true reason for it is reducing emissions. RLE > > ** Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BARS LEAKS HEAD GASKET SEALANT?
I've had Bars Leaks radiator repair in 2 vehicles now, my '88 GMC S15 and my '81 300TD. Both were disasters. In both cases the thermostat got stuck shut and caused an overheat. On the GMC it was no big deal on the 300TD I'm reasonably sure it blew the headgasket. It took FOREVER to clear the cooling system enough so new thermostats wouldn't sieze. I got so good at swapping the thermostat on the GMC I could do it in 5 minutes flat and only lose 1 quart of coolant... Danger Will Robinson. -Curt Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 20:09:34 -0500 From: Dan Weeks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [MBZ] BARS LEAKS HEAD GASKET SEALANT? To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Folks: My 300TE has a leaking head gasket. You can smell coolant out the pipe, see a bit of steam on startup, and the #1 plug got so fouled with other-than-oil calcified coolant crud that it stopped firing the other day. While I was buying a new plug, I noticed a sale on Bars Leaks brand head and head gasket sealer, which purports to seal bad head gaskets and cracked heads. Since this car basically just hauls stuff around town and probably only gets driven 5k a year at most, and I'm not in a position to r&r the gasket at this point, does anyone have any experience with this product? I dimly remember someone--was it OK Don?--saying they'd used it or something similar on a 300SEL for many tens of thousands of miles and it worked, but I'd love confirmation of this before pouring it in. Other than that, car runs great. Uses some oil, but no blue smoke. Thanks! Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil
AND took the money anyway! Peter On Sep 5, 2008, at 8:35 PM, Rolf wrote: > Thats right. She backed the road to no where until Congress cut the > funding. > > -Rolf > > OK Don wrote: >> ??? The bridge to nowhere was renamed a water taxi, and went ahead. >> Killing it was grandstanding. >> >> >> >>> But you've got to admire a politician who resists the urge to >>> spend all that money. >>> >>> Mitch. >>> >> >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil
No, it's the rather nice income every resident of Alaska gets in "tax rebates" from the mountain of cash generated by the oil drilling. Listening to an Alaska whine about socialism makes me laugh so hard I pee my pants. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil
Alaska has so much money the surplus is distributed to the residents. No way to spend it all, even building bridges to nowhere! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the hottest VP
HEY HEY HEY -- respect your elders, young man. On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The pills Hendrik, the pills. Your reply doesn't make any sense that I can > find > > -Curt > > Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 10:10:04 +0930 > From: Hendrik & Fay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] the hottest VP > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List > > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > How old are you? I would have thought that the dreams of a certain > nature tend to stop once more mature years approach. > > Hendrik > who don't have those sort of dreams much anymore.pity > > Curt Raymond wrote: > > Sorry, searching for that again would take time away from my 240D hood > project ;) > > > > Seriously, I searched again and can't find it. Too bad that > > > > -Curt > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil
Thats right. She backed the road to no where until Congress cut the funding. -Rolf OK Don wrote: > ??? The bridge to nowhere was renamed a water taxi, and went ahead. > Killing it was grandstanding. > > > >> But you've got to admire a politician who resists the urge to spend all that >> money. >> >> Mitch. >> > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil
*blink* Have you seen her pad? Looks a lot nicer than mine. Maybe realestate is really that much cheaper down there. -Rolf Mitch Haley wrote: > Peter Frederick wrote: > >> And don't forget the royalty payments to RESIDENTS of Alaska. She >> gets a pretty penny every year, with what, six in the family? >> >> Nothing like backing a policy that puts $ in your own pocket! >> > > But you've got to admire a politician who resists the urge to spend all that > money. > > Mitch. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BARS LEAKS HEAD GASKET SEALANT?
Nope - I think it was Snook. I put Bars Leak in a radiator in the late '60's, and will never do such again. Fix it right -- >> I dimly remember someone--was it OK Don? >> --saying they'd used it or something similar on a 300SEL for many >> tens of thousands of miles and it worked, but I'd love confirmation >> of this before pouring it in. Other than that, car runs great. Uses >> some oil, but no blue smoke. >> -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] drag coefficents
Clean means fast. -Rolf Hendrik & Fay wrote: > Also be making sure to wash car, as dirt tends to rob another .3% of > fuel economy. > > Hendrik > with dirty cars and dirty mind > > Tom Hargrave wrote: > >> Here's a great article on drag coefficents. >> >> http://autospeed.com/cms/A_108675/article.html >> >> >> Thanks, >> Tom Hargrave >> >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil
??? The bridge to nowhere was renamed a water taxi, and went ahead. Killing it was grandstanding. > But you've got to admire a politician who resists the urge to spend all that > money. > > Mitch. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BARS LEAKS HEAD GASKET SEALANT?
Not a snowball's chance in the bad place. The gasket is falling apart, you need to get a new one. This isn't a particularly bad job -- but you need to replace the valve guide seals when you have the head off. That will cure your oil consumption along with a new camshaft seal and front cover seal. Peter On Sep 5, 2008, at 8:09 PM, Dan Weeks wrote: > Folks: > > My 300TE has a leaking head gasket. You can smell coolant out the > pipe, see a bit of steam on startup, and the #1 plug got so fouled > with other-than-oil calcified coolant crud that it stopped firing the > other day. > > While I was buying a new plug, I noticed a sale on Bars Leaks brand > head and head gasket sealer, which purports to seal bad head gaskets > and cracked heads. Since this car basically just hauls stuff around > town and probably only gets driven 5k a year at most, and I'm not in > a position to r&r the gasket at this point, does anyone have any > experience with this product? I dimly remember someone--was it OK > Don?--saying they'd used it or something similar on a 300SEL for many > tens of thousands of miles and it worked, but I'd love confirmation > of this before pouring it in. Other than that, car runs great. Uses > some oil, but no blue smoke. > > Thanks! > > Dan > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil
Peter Frederick wrote: > And don't forget the royalty payments to RESIDENTS of Alaska. She > gets a pretty penny every year, with what, six in the family? > > Nothing like backing a policy that puts $ in your own pocket! But you've got to admire a politician who resists the urge to spend all that money. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the hottest VP
The pills Hendrik, the pills. Your reply doesn't make any sense that I can find -Curt Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 10:10:04 +0930 From: Hendrik & Fay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] the hottest VP To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed How old are you? I would have thought that the dreams of a certain nature tend to stop once more mature years approach. Hendrik who don't have those sort of dreams much anymore.pity Curt Raymond wrote: > Sorry, searching for that again would take time away from my 240D hood > project ;) > > Seriously, I searched again and can't find it. Too bad that > > -Curt > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil
And don't forget the royalty payments to RESIDENTS of Alaska. She gets a pretty penny every year, with what, six in the family? Nothing like backing a policy that puts $ in your own pocket! Peter On Sep 5, 2008, at 8:10 PM, OK Don wrote: > Stare them down??? The tax revenue for AK is the only reason she > wants to drill in ANWR. > > On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 7:00 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> ..If she can stare down the rapacious vultures in the AK oil >>> industry, >>> it will be a cold day in hell when some slav or oriental will get >>> her >>> trembling.. >>> >> I don't think Exxon-Mobil has "The Bomb" as yet nor a million man >> army. >> >> RLE > > -- > OK Don, KD5NRO > Norman, OK > "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." > -Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain > '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply > Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] BARS LEAKS HEAD GASKET SEALANT?
Folks: My 300TE has a leaking head gasket. You can smell coolant out the pipe, see a bit of steam on startup, and the #1 plug got so fouled with other-than-oil calcified coolant crud that it stopped firing the other day. While I was buying a new plug, I noticed a sale on Bars Leaks brand head and head gasket sealer, which purports to seal bad head gaskets and cracked heads. Since this car basically just hauls stuff around town and probably only gets driven 5k a year at most, and I'm not in a position to r&r the gasket at this point, does anyone have any experience with this product? I dimly remember someone--was it OK Don?--saying they'd used it or something similar on a 300SEL for many tens of thousands of miles and it worked, but I'd love confirmation of this before pouring it in. Other than that, car runs great. Uses some oil, but no blue smoke. Thanks! Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the hottest VP
No I don't think have read that one but that may well be where that phrase comes from. Hendrik with no motorbikes but a loving family who give him enough grief, daughter is closing in on 13 years and I may have to borrow a shotty off one of you gun nuts Mitch Haley wrote: > Hendrik & Fay wrote: > >> I was expecting a short short mini >> skirt and a cut off top with the "I suck start Harleys" slogan. >> > > I recall Ed Hertfelder writing about women who ride on the back of Harleys > wearing quick release halters and looking for signs that say "show your tits". > He mentioned that one of the job requirements was the ability to suck start a > Harley. Did you read that article too? (Cycle magazine, mid 1980s) > > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] fuel cutoff
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> ...But most cars coast enough farther in neutral to make up for the 1/3 to >> 1/2 gph that you burn idling in neutral. And not all cars have enough engine >> braking to activate the fuel cutout... >> > Engine braking has nothing to do with it. It's rpm from the crankshaft sensor > plus a closed throttle switch. When the rpm falls below about 1200 rpm the > electric injectors are reactivated. Above that with a closed throttle they > are > off. Perhaps I worded it poorly. If I lift the throttle on my Olds at 60mph/2000rpm, the torque converter unlocks, and the engine drops to idle speed, with the fuel meter ticking along at 0.40 gallons per hour. If you don't have any meaningful engine braking, the wheels aren't powering the engine, and it will stall if the fuel cuts out. I've tested it, flicking the key off while in gear drops the tach to zero, and I'm fully in neutral as soon as the trans loses control pressure. So that's one car that doesn't cut the fuel while coasting, at least not in fourth gear at legal speeds. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil
Stare them down??? The tax revenue for AK is the only reason she wants to drill in ANWR. On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 7:00 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> ..If she can stare down the rapacious vultures in the AK oil industry, >> it will be a cold day in hell when some slav or oriental will get her >> trembling.. >> > I don't think Exxon-Mobil has "The Bomb" as yet nor a million man army. > > RLE -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Harleys - was - the hottest VP
Interesting, the fairing on my CB900f makes a big difference... http://bp0.blogger.com/_xBz_KsI0DbY/SJO3hZLuuAI/ADU/Y2BRAocLOdM/S220/CB900fsmall.jpg -Curt --- On Fri, 9/5/08, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Harleys - was - the hottest VP To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mercedes Discussion List" Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 9:07 PM My '84 R100 had a fairing similar to that, at speeds up to 100, it was totally worthless. I think the "Cafe' Racer" fairing is only good for parking in front of a cafe'. > What model Harley is that? It seems like there are loads of them around here all of a sudden. I think they're wicked ugly... It also seems like the fairing is pretty useless unless it somehow magically deflects wind away from your face in a way I can't guess at... > -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] NEED 124 INTERIOR BITS, DARK BLUE
Folks: I need, in dark blue, for an '88 300TE: --The plastic, screw-in mounts that the visor hangs from--both the one near the A-pillar and the one near the inside rear view mirror. Other colors would be OK too--I guess I can always paint 'em. --An intact front passenger armrest, same color, or ideas for how to reattach the one I've got (calling Dr. Cathay... Calling Dr. Cathay...) The armrest is fine, but all the plastic mounting parts broke and it's dangling by the top front of the pull-handle. --Also need the black plastic valance for the license plate, the one that contains the license plate lamps, for the same car. Wagon, remember, if that makes a difference. Happy to pay whatever these items are worth, new or decent used. Thanks! Dan 82 300SD 310k 88 300TE > 214k ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Harleys - was - the hottest VP
My '84 R100 had a fairing similar to that, at speeds up to 100, it was totally worthless. I think the "Cafe' Racer" fairing is only good for parking in front of a cafe'. > What model Harley is that? It seems like there are loads of them around here > all of a sudden. I think they're wicked ugly... It also seems like the > fairing is pretty useless unless it somehow magically deflects wind away from > your face in a way I can't guess at... > -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the hottest VP
Hendrik & Fay wrote: > I was expecting a short short mini > skirt and a cut off top with the "I suck start Harleys" slogan. I recall Ed Hertfelder writing about women who ride on the back of Harleys wearing quick release halters and looking for signs that say "show your tits". He mentioned that one of the job requirements was the ability to suck start a Harley. Did you read that article too? (Cycle magazine, mid 1980s) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] coasting
I think the KE system uses a cut off switch as well. Hendrik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But you referred to such behavior as "coasting" when what is happening >> is in fact engine braking. Not the same thing at all; in fact, >> mutually exclusive phenomena. Did you forget your Metamucil today, >> Roger?.. >> >> > I wish you would make some effort to read the posts before you get all > snotty. Rolf was under the mistaken impression that gassers when coasting on > closed > throttle are still using fuel, unlike diesels. > > I said that late model gassers, meaning with electric injectors, are not > flowing fuel under those conditions which was also pointed out by several > others > who understand the same thing without help from me. > > Nobody is talking about rolling along in neutral which of course would mean, > engine idling, and for what reason would anyone do that? It's pointless and > illegal, BTW. > > Take a breath. > > RLE > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hood pad adhesive
Well, it was rotting and falling apart! We just replaced it last month. There were areas of glue that had to be scrapped off, but not too much. Didn't see a problem with the adhesive, just the pad it's self. > This is exactly the process I used for the hood pad on my 90 300D. So, ask OK > Don if it is still holding a couple of years later. I used the 3M spray > adhesive. > > Donald H. Snook -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Toyota/Honda
Yeah well, if Japan had some high speed autobahns then things may have been different. Hendrik with a boring Japanese ute [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> > >> ...Soichiro would probably think so... >> >> > I agree completely. Both firms have taught some hard lessons to every other > car manufacturer on the planet. But to me as a dedicated (and long suffering) > German car driver, most of the Asian labels are just another medium size > silver > sedan with gray cloth seats and totally uninteresting. Generic. > > RLE > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 450SL on the cheap?
See http://home.hiwaay.net/~gbf/107/rt.html for info on the variations. The '80 has the most anemic of the 450 engines. My experience was that every piece of rubber in the intake system was hard and leaking. There are a LOT of rubber pieces in there! The engine runs MUCH better after ALL of them are replaced with new ones. I was afraid to add up the total cost. Yes, they are FUN cars. On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://atlanta.craigslist.org/cto/825835944.html > > Looking at this car. Any comments on the drivetrain? Known issues? It > clearly needs alot of work but could be fun weekend car for me and the wife. > > -Rolf -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ' '81 240D (Gramps), '97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the hottest VP
Guess you got a bit of experience looking for pictures on the internet, although I am a bit disappointed, I was expecting a short short mini skirt and a cut off top with the "I suck start Harleys" slogan. Hendrik who should really be going for that cold shower Mitch Haley wrote: > Found these fairly quickly: > > http://www.spock.com/Sarah-Palin/pictures?utm_source=SEM > > Vogue cover pic: > http://www.spock.com/picture_frame/58e4133w6b7ae4a752 > > Harley & short skirt: > http://www.spock.com/picture_frame/58e40dbwa38fc2f012 > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the hottest VP
Yeah, the rep girls can go over to Iraq and give the boys a bit of a show, to sort of thank them for getting butchered and scarred for life. Nothing wrong with a bit of right wing T & A. Hendrik Rich Thomas wrote: > She was showing a little décolletage last night and it sure looked > better than whatever Hillary has under those fetching pantsuits. And > Mrs. McCain ain't half bad either. I think overall the Repub women are > better looking than the Dem women (who seem to be sourpusses most of the > time), and as smart (except for Hillary, the Smartest Woman In The World). > > It's gonna be hard for Obama to run against her. Oh wait... > > --R > > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] drag coefficents
Also be making sure to wash car, as dirt tends to rob another .3% of fuel economy. Hendrik with dirty cars and dirty mind Tom Hargrave wrote: > Here's a great article on drag coefficents. > > http://autospeed.com/cms/A_108675/article.html > > > Thanks, > Tom Hargrave > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the hottest VP
How old are you? I would have thought that the dreams of a certain nature tend to stop once more mature years approach. Hendrik who don't have those sort of dreams much anymore.pity Curt Raymond wrote: > Sorry, searching for that again would take time away from my 240D hood > project ;) > > Seriously, I searched again and can't find it. Too bad that > > -Curt > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Mileage was Re: OT volvo
Good for you but don't forget the hat, you must have the hat on whilst cruising in the brick down to the Ikea store. Hendrik who must admit that he has visited Ikea once or twice but just to buy Swedish meatballs..honest Tyler Backman wrote: > I don't think anybody makes a car that compares with the turbo diesel > 700 series for long distance driving. It's a smooth, quiet, and > powerful full sized car with a 21-23 gallon fuel tank that gets over > 30mpg, and is avaliable with a manual transmission. Plus they tend to > sell for under 3 grand! Perhaps if mercedes had made W124 wagons with > a manual transmission, auxilary fuel tank, and OM602 engines. but > they didn't. > > For long distance desert driving where irrepairale breakdowns could be > a life/death thing (think central Baja) I wouldn't consider driving > anything other than a Volvo personally. > > Sincerely, > Tyler William H Backman > 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the hottest VP
Nah, I'll just wait till she and Macca fail to win and then she will be offered a squillion to pose for playboy. Hendrik who is off for a cold cold shower Jerry Herrman wrote: > All this talk about "The Hottest VP Candidate" prompts me to list two > complaints. > > 1. It has taken the focus off the issue of why my 91 Volvo continues to > "ping", and what I should do about it. > > 2. Curt Raymond wrote that he found a Google image of the VP candidate on a > Harley, without providing a link to the image. Looking for the image has > taken valuable time from my Volvo project. Can we please have the link? > > Jerry > 82 240D > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] drag coefficents
Next time you're out and about cruising down to the mall, stick your hand out the window, first hold it up and then point it into the wind, then come back and tell us the results. Obviously the faster you go the more aerodynamics come into play but a car that can displace the air easier than another will always be more efficient. Hendrik who shouldn't encourage illegal behaviour R A Bennell wrote: > SNIPPED > So, in my uneducated opinion, smooth is good but probably makes very little > difference day to day. Make like the > NASCAR folks and run 200 mph and it will likely make a difference. Drive down > to the mall through traffic and it > likely is pretty much irrelevant. > > Randy > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] coasting
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 4:48 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nobody is talking about rolling along in neutral which of course would mean, > engine idling, and for what reason would anyone do that? It's pointless and > illegal, BTW. Cars with electronic engine deactivation coast, engine off, whenever possible; and such programming is likely to become mandatory. Nominally it's illegal (in some places), but the law is an ass: anyone who drives a stick shift coasts, engine on, every time they put the clutch in when approaching a stop sign. (Or maybe I shouldn't assume anything about your manual-transmission use patterns, Roger, since I recall that you expressed horror and skepticism that anyone would match revs on a downshift, let alone double-clutch, while driving on the street. Go drive an 18-wheeler, or even my old Isuzu Trooper with worn syncros, and get back to me.) My point is that coasting is a passive thing, while letting off the gas going downhill in gear isn't; it's a deliberate attempt to slow the car via engine braking. Closing the injectors and suspending spark seems like a designed-in attempt to aid the latter, with a little fuel savings as a nice side effect. Alex > > Take a breath. > > RLE > > > > > > ** > Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] fuel cutoff
> ...But most cars coast enough farther in neutral to make up for the 1/3 to > 1/2 gph that you burn idling in neutral. And not all cars have enough engine > braking to activate the fuel cutout... > Engine braking has nothing to do with it. It's rpm from the crankshaft sensor plus a closed throttle switch. When the rpm falls below about 1200 rpm the electric injectors are reactivated. Above that with a closed throttle they are off. I don't know why this concept is so hard to understand. After all, electronic injection showed up in 1968 and Motronic in 1983 in the US market. Not in stodgy old MB, of course. RLE ** Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Mileage was Re: OT volvo
I don't mind riding a bike when it is more or less flat but hills suck, although I like going down them. Hendrik who does not wear tight lycra shorts or other stuff that makes a rider look like he/she just competed in the tour de France Rich Thomas wrote: > Come on over H&F, I'll find you a girlie-man bicycle with a low bar you > can slide your leg over, and you can ride with me while I crack off 30 > or 40 miles (that would be 50 or 70km more or less) Sunday morning just > to get my juices warmed up for a nice cuppa and brekkie. Us old guys go > kinda fast though, so you might have to wheeze a bit more than you're > used to. > > I'll even supply the spandex! > > --R > > OOPS thought I was on banned! > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil
> ..If she can stare down the rapacious vultures in the AK oil industry, > it will be a cold day in hell when some slav or oriental will get her > trembling.. > I don't think Exxon-Mobil has "The Bomb" as yet nor a million man army. RLE > > ** Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] drag
> ...I still think that frontal area is not nearly so important as other > things. You said "for a particular drivetrain efficiency" and I agree with > that... > Drag coefficients are measured in the wind tunnel, usually using a scale model. It's just one factor when talking about fuel economy. BTW, according to a published document by Porsche about 1975, spoilers, air dams and such start to effect a car's aerodynamics at about 35mph. That is their car in their wind tunnel, of course, and not a big cab forward highway tractor. RLE > > ** Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How my day went from good, to bad, to good, to bad, to
I went to the 'Toot some years ago for a year, got one semester's tuition covered, got a loan for another, then was paying by the week to finish my thesis (that lit a fire under my aft section!), and it wasn't that bad at that time. Paid it off in a couple of years after I got a real job, though the interest rate was pretty low compared to what Jimmah Cahtah brought to us at the time (14% on my first mortgage, and I thought, "What a deal!"). --R Mitch Haley wrote: > LarryT wrote: > >> I like your description - steps 1 thru 5 are spot on. There's one more step >> that comes next though. The parents (yes, both) are held upside down by >> their ankles and are shaken vigorously so any change is shaken loose. Step >> 6 is repeated once per billing period. >> > > I should have given credit for that concept, I was just paraphrasing > something > that MIT prof Phil Greenspun said in his proposal to eliminate MIT tuition. > I love his picture of the three co-eds wearing the clothes they bought with > the > money they had leftover after paying tuition. > http://philip.greenspun.com/school/tuition-free-mit.html > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] coasting
> >>But you referred to such behavior as "coasting" when what is happening > is in fact engine braking. Not the same thing at all; in fact, > mutually exclusive phenomena. Did you forget your Metamucil today, > Roger?.. > I wish you would make some effort to read the posts before you get all snotty. Rolf was under the mistaken impression that gassers when coasting on closed throttle are still using fuel, unlike diesels. I said that late model gassers, meaning with electric injectors, are not flowing fuel under those conditions which was also pointed out by several others who understand the same thing without help from me. Nobody is talking about rolling along in neutral which of course would mean, engine idling, and for what reason would anyone do that? It's pointless and illegal, BTW. Take a breath. RLE ** Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the hottest VP
Uh, when exactly did she do that? Or are you referring to her husband who works in oil? -Rolf Redghost wrote: > If she can stare down the rapacious vultures in the AK oil industry, > it will be a cold day in hell when some slav or oriental will get her > trembling > > clay > > On 5 Sep 2008, at 14:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> I seriously doubt that if the time should come that McCain dies in >> office and >> now-President Sarah is called upon to sit across the table from >> Putin or >> whoever is running China in an important negotiation, neither of >> them will give >> damn how "hot" she is or how many children she has produced or >> whether she is an >> NRA member. >> >> None of which have any effect on her then inherited "Most Powerful >> Individual >> On The Planet" duties. >> >> RLE >> >> >> ** >> Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion >> blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. >> >> (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How my day went from good, to bad, to good, to bad, to
Bill wrote:<> Not sure when you did that, but I wonder if it's at all possibloe for a student to work part time & pay for school while attending classes like you did?I know it wouldn;t work at one of those $50k colleges, but are there *any* colleges or universities that offer a good education without requiring the donation of a arm & leg? Not in the market - just curious. Which brings me to the next question - where does all that money go? $50k times, what? 5000 students? that's $250,000,000 !! That's a huge chunk of change - I'm assuming for simplicities sake the 5000 is full tuition paying students - those on reduced rate plans are over and above the 5000. Hmmm another question - I assume colleges & universities are free to donate as much of that 250mil to political parties of their choice? Gotta go - later ya'll - Larry - Original Message - From: "Bill R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] How my day went from good, to bad, to good, to bad, to > You are no doubt correct about that one. If anyone is looking, I can > highly > recommend a small school in Lynchburg VA - Lynchburg College - about 2,000 > students. Great science and about any other department you want. My ex > roomie is now a vet in GA; the first nuclear ship's control panel was > designed on the campus. Great place to go to school and pretty highly > ranked. I have not had the nerve to look at the current tuition, but I > survived on my own for my junior and senior years with 2 part time jobs > and > several night classes and a few grants. Never regretted it. Great > experience. > BillR > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Mitch Haley > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 9:04 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] How my day went from good, to bad, to good, to bad, to > > Bill R wrote: >> News flash - I heard a discussion today about all the schools that now >> charge over $50k / year for tuition. The $30 k is at best a mid range >> school. Some of them are quite good though. > > I like the schools with a "no dollar left ungrabbed" policy. MIT comes to > mind > here, they have near perfect monopoly pricing in practice. > > It works like this: > > 1: Set tuition at some totally exorbitant level. > 2: Declare that no student will be prevented from attending for lack of > funds. > 3: Have the student, and the student's family, disclose every penny they > have, > and every penny they earn. > 4: Add up all funds revealed in step 3, plus any loans and grants you can > squeeze out of the government. > 5: Bill the student the amount calculated in step 4. > > If any other business tried to do this to their customers, the executives > would > be in prison. > Mitch. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How my day went from good, to bad, to good, to bad, to
LarryT wrote: > Hmmm another question - I assume colleges & universities are free to donate > as much of that 250mil to political parties of their choice? In addition to the millions spent on sports coaches, my local 'land grant' public university (another MSU) spends a boatload of cash on lobbyists. Yep, an entity totally owned by the state of Michigan hires people to lobby the state of Michigan for money. They've got a full time lobbyist or two in DC also. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How my day went from good, to bad, to good, to bad, to
LarryT wrote: > I like your description - steps 1 thru 5 are spot on. There's one more step > that comes next though. The parents (yes, both) are held upside down by > their ankles and are shaken vigorously so any change is shaken loose. Step > 6 is repeated once per billing period. I should have given credit for that concept, I was just paraphrasing something that MIT prof Phil Greenspun said in his proposal to eliminate MIT tuition. I love his picture of the three co-eds wearing the clothes they bought with the money they had leftover after paying tuition. http://philip.greenspun.com/school/tuition-free-mit.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] coasting
Curt Raymond wrote: > The Top Gear guys said (don't remember if they got it from a study or what) > that if you're going to be stopping its better to coast in gear in a newer > car than in neutral. The theory being if you're in neutral the engine needs > to provide fuel to maintain idle where if you're coasting in gear the > drivetrain will maintain idle with no fuel input. > Seems like coasting downhill would really want you to be in gear... But most cars coast enough farther in neutral to make up for the 1/3 to 1/2 gph that you burn idling in neutral. And not all cars have enough engine braking to activate the fuel cutout. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the hottest VP
If she can stare down the rapacious vultures in the AK oil industry, it will be a cold day in hell when some slav or oriental will get her trembling clay On 5 Sep 2008, at 14:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I seriously doubt that if the time should come that McCain dies in > office and > now-President Sarah is called upon to sit across the table from > Putin or > whoever is running China in an important negotiation, neither of > them will give > damn how "hot" she is or how many children she has produced or > whether she is an > NRA member. > > None of which have any effect on her then inherited "Most Powerful > Individual > On The Planet" duties. > > RLE > > > ** > Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion > blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How my day went from good, to bad, to good, to bad, to
I like your description - steps 1 thru 5 are spot on. There's one more step that comes next though. The parents (yes, both) are held upside down by their ankles and are shaken vigorously so any change is shaken loose. Step 6 is repeated once per billing period. - Original Message - From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] How my day went from good, to bad, to good, to bad, to > Bill R wrote: >> News flash - I heard a discussion today about all the schools that now >> charge over $50k / year for tuition. The $30 k is at best a mid range >> school. Some of them are quite good though. > > I like the schools with a "no dollar left ungrabbed" policy. MIT comes to > mind > here, they have near perfect monopoly pricing in practice. > > It works like this: > > 1: Set tuition at some totally exorbitant level. > 2: Declare that no student will be prevented from attending for lack of > funds. > 3: Have the student, and the student's family, disclose every penny they > have, > and every penny they earn. > 4: Add up all funds revealed in step 3, plus any loans and grants you can > squeeze out of the government. > 5: Bill the student the amount calculated in step 4. > > If any other business tried to do this to their customers, the executives > would > be in prison. > Mitch. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How my day went from good, to bad, to good, to bad,
Mission accomplished! If I'd just said triplets you'd still be holding onto the ceiling with your fingernails, but now, after coming back from having 9 to *only* 3 crumb-snatchers/rug rats/etc, you'll look at the sun rise a little differently, the roses will smell a little bit better, coffee taste a little better, you get the picture. Oh Sure, having 3 kids is going to be a "Challenge" - that's a word you're likely to hear a lot during the next 18 years - like, after one of the little "Angels" comes home with a note about you needing to see the principle (again), you'll hear that word "Challenge" - always knew it would come to this. ;-) Then, when 2 of the finest in blue show up one day with little Billie Bob in tow (or Sally Sue) you'll once again hear it - you guessed it - you always knew this would be a "Challenge" ! ;-) Sorry Donald - not trying to scare you. Actually, while we didn't have triplets, we did have 3 kids within 4 years - then we figured out what was causing it and ... well, we didn't stop, but one day I went to the doctor and came home "different". After that all I wanted to do was lay around, eat, - got fat, quite running around late at night, even stopped using the special door cut into the kitchen door. ;-) Yep, I got 'fixed'. After that, no more kids - (Praise the Lord!!!) sorry - got a little teary eyed there for a second. ;-) That might be something for you to consider - hmmm... wonder if Mrs Snook has given it any thought? You might ask her when she's in labor (for 8 hours or so) what she thinks about it. In all seriousness - having kids is the most frustrating & satisfying experience you can have. With all the problems that comes with kids (and there are gazillions), the joy will be multiplied 100 times more than any frustration that shows up. Take care Donald - try not to over-think everything. It doesn't work as well with kids - life doesn't get any better than the voyage you're embarking upon - . Larry T - Original Message - From: "Donald Snook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] How my day went from good, to bad, to good, to bad, > Larry wrote: "No Donald - Perhaps you should sit down? It means you can > expect to have 9 babies - > just think - you'll have a full baseball team in no time at all! How's > that heart doing? Still pumping like crazy? Like you drank a > thousand cups of coffee?" > > Thanks a lot. Just what I needed to ease my mind. If we do have triplets, > it will seem like a walk in the park compared to your scenario. > > Donald H. Snook > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] coasting
The Top Gear guys said (don't remember if they got it from a study or what) that if you're going to be stopping its better to coast in gear in a newer car than in neutral. The theory being if you're in neutral the engine needs to provide fuel to maintain idle where if you're coasting in gear the drivetrain will maintain idle with no fuel input. Seems like coasting downhill would really want you to be in gear... -Curt Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 13:54:23 -0700 From: Tyler Backman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] coasting To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes If they're in gear with the throttle closed and the drivetrain is pushing the engine above idle, the fuel injectors shut off until the engine speed returns to idle. You'd probably get better efficiency coasting in neutral with the engine idling anyway, which would avoid engine braking. Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] drag coefficents
R A Bennell wrote: > I have a difficult time believing that the Tucker from the > 40's is the equal of some of the current vehicles. I'd be impressed if it could match a Citroen ID/DS series, but 3/4 the CD of a Citroen isn't credible to me. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] drag coefficents
Your F150 likely makes a bunch more power than the Sub did. Small block motors are now regularly pumping out more power than big blocks of 10 years ago. Theres greater efficiency there obviously since they get the same or slightly better economy. The current Dakota makes some insanely useless amount of power 300hp or more. The 230hp (200 maybe?) in my '96 is more than enough to make it turn donuts on pavement. I have no idea what I'd do with half again more. Never drive in the snow anyway... SUVs will tend to get better economy on a given chassis/drivetrain than the equivalent pickup since they don't have a big open windcatcher... -Curt Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:42:23 -0500 From: "R A Bennell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] drag coefficents To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I still think that frontal area is not nearly so important as other things. You said "for a particular drivetrain efficiency" and I agree with that. The drag co-efficient being lower probably helps with many other issues too, like reduced noise and improved ability to shed rain etc., but I really have to wonder how much advantage there is in fuel economy. My current F150 certainly looks more aerodynamic than my 86 Suburban but there is a minimal improvement in fuel economy. I wonder about some of the numbers quoted below as well. I have a difficult time believing that the Tucker from the 40's is the equal of some of the current vehicles. It was without doubt efficient for its time, but it is still a lump compared to most of the new vehicles. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Toyota/Honda
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > most of the Asian labels are just another medium size silver > sedan with gray cloth seats and totally uninteresting. Generic. I don't find old Toyotas interesting (except for the 2000GT which I've never seen in real life), but the Honda 600, S800, first generation Civic (mine was a stratified charge lean burn CVCC, and it was a 1975 model), CRX, etc were neat little cars. I guess I'll have to give Toyota credit for the turbo Supra and the MR2. S2000 Honda is interesting, but uses too much fuel for its size. Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the hottest VP
I distinctly try to avoid remembering that. Oh WAIT. This isn't the one where he is a rockette http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/N/q/1/rudy_giuliani_rockette.jpg Mitch Haley wrote: > Rolf wrote: > >> http://www.kissmybigbluebutt.com/sarahp.jpg < that has to be a chop. >> >> "fetching pantsuits" has had me giggling for 15minutes now. It's a shame >> Fred didn't make it, his wife is hotter than all of the current choices. >> > > Don't forget Rudy: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_90nRRoXK8 > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Harleys - was - the hottest VP
Curt Raymond wrote: > To take the conversation totally sideways... > > What model Harley is that? Back in the old days, if it had a fairing and saddlebags, it was an Electra Glide. No idea what it means now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the hottest VP
Rolf wrote: > http://www.kissmybigbluebutt.com/sarahp.jpg < that has to be a chop. > > "fetching pantsuits" has had me giggling for 15minutes now. It's a shame > Fred didn't make it, his wife is hotter than all of the current choices. Don't forget Rudy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_90nRRoXK8 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] coasting
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 2:28 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Rolf rolfs: >> >> How do you get that? Do they shut off their engines? Gassers still have >> to maintain stoich @ idle, consuming more fuel then diesels >> > Ah, but they are not idling. The engines are turning because they are driven > by the wheels turning. And when your foot is off the gas, the electric > injectors are shut off so no fuel flows. As the car slows and the engine > engine > approaches idle speed, they are reactivated. But you referred to such behavior as "coasting" when what is happening is in fact engine braking. Not the same thing at all; in fact, mutually exclusive phenomena. Did you forget your Metamucil today, Roger? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] coasting
> Rolf rolfs: > > How do you get that? Do they shut off their engines? Gassers still have > to maintain stoich @ idle, consuming more fuel then diesels > Ah, but they are not idling. The engines are turning because they are driven by the wheels turning. And when your foot is off the gas, the electric injectors are shut off so no fuel flows. As the car slows and the engine engine approaches idle speed, they are reactivated. When I said late model MBs, I was not referring to CIS cars. RLE > > ** Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] coasting
I think the "late model" thing is a misnomer. We're not talking about some high tech fuel saving feature, but normal EFI behavior. I've never heard about an electric FI system that didn't shut off the fuel injectors when the engine speed was too high and the throttle closed. I know the LH-jet system used on 80s european cars does. Continuing to spray fuel would reduce engine braking and waste fuel. The only reason you wouldn't do it is if your FI system wasn't advanced enough to even realize that the engine isn't at idle (such as a 70s K-Jetronic mechanical injection system). Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Sep 5, 2008, at 2:12 PM, Rolf wrote: > I was under the assumption that they coasted in neutral at idle. Never > knew about the fuel injectors shutting off all together. > > -Rolf > > Tyler Backman wrote: >> If they're in gear with the throttle closed and the drivetrain is >> pushing the engine above idle, the fuel injectors shut off until the >> engine speed returns to idle. You'd probably get better efficiency >> coasting in neutral with the engine idling anyway, which would avoid >> engine braking. >> >> Sincerely, >> Tyler William H Backman >> 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 5, 2008, at 1:42 PM, Rolf wrote: >> >> >>> ? How do you get that? Do they shut off their engines? Gassers still >>> have to maintain stoich @ idle, consuming more fuel then diesels. >>> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> > ..This is because gassers have to maintain stoich where diesels > are quite > happy at 100:1 air/fuel ratios. When you are coasting in a diesel > its > like free mileage... > > > And when you are coasting in a late model gasser, no fuel is flowing so it's "like free mileage." RLE ** Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the hottest VP
I seriously doubt that if the time should come that McCain dies in office and now-President Sarah is called upon to sit across the table from Putin or whoever is running China in an important negotiation, neither of them will give damn how "hot" she is or how many children she has produced or whether she is an NRA member. None of which have any effect on her then inherited "Most Powerful Individual On The Planet" duties. RLE ** Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] coasting
I was under the assumption that they coasted in neutral at idle. Never knew about the fuel injectors shutting off all together. -Rolf Tyler Backman wrote: > If they're in gear with the throttle closed and the drivetrain is > pushing the engine above idle, the fuel injectors shut off until the > engine speed returns to idle. You'd probably get better efficiency > coasting in neutral with the engine idling anyway, which would avoid > engine braking. > > Sincerely, > Tyler William H Backman > 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel > > > > > On Sep 5, 2008, at 1:42 PM, Rolf wrote: > > >> ? How do you get that? Do they shut off their engines? Gassers still >> have to maintain stoich @ idle, consuming more fuel then diesels. >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> ..This is because gassers have to maintain stoich where diesels are quite happy at 100:1 air/fuel ratios. When you are coasting in a diesel its like free mileage... >>> And when you are coasting in a late model gasser, no fuel is >>> flowing so it's >>> "like free mileage." >>> >>> RLE >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ** >>> Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, >>> plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. >>> >>> (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 911 rebuild
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Broken cam belt. Or maybe the balance shaft belt broke and took out the > cam > > belt which is not exactly unknown. > > > > $2200 and this was 15 years ago. > > Was it an air cooled engine? A co-worker recently rebuilt a 1970 air > cooled 911. It was VERY complicated compared to a normal water cooled > engine. IIRC, there was something different for each cylinder, I think > it was individual sleeves or head. Tolerances were a major PITA. > The 944, 944S, 944S2, 944 Turbo and 968 are water cooled inline balance shaft fours. Aluminum blocks and heads. Cams and external balance shafts driven by cogged belts. Rebuilding an aircooled 911 engine is not something to be taken lightly since special tools and specialized knowledge are required. Many mistakes can be made and you find out later. A shop rebuild of a 911 engine is now getting close to 15 grand. Luckily, complete info about all of the updates, pitfalls, tools required, parts sources and how to do it is readily available from PCA's national technical committee. Plus endless printed matter on the subject. All of this complication and cost gives you an engine that can run several hundred thousand miles and thousands of track laps, if desired, without breathing hard or breaking if you provide it routine service. RLE ** Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] coasting
If they're in gear with the throttle closed and the drivetrain is pushing the engine above idle, the fuel injectors shut off until the engine speed returns to idle. You'd probably get better efficiency coasting in neutral with the engine idling anyway, which would avoid engine braking. Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Sep 5, 2008, at 1:42 PM, Rolf wrote: > ? How do you get that? Do they shut off their engines? Gassers still > have to maintain stoich @ idle, consuming more fuel then diesels. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> ..This is because gassers have to maintain stoich where diesels >>> are quite >>> happy at 100:1 air/fuel ratios. When you are coasting in a diesel >>> its >>> like free mileage... >>> >>> >> And when you are coasting in a late model gasser, no fuel is >> flowing so it's >> "like free mileage." >> >> RLE >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> ** >> Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, >> plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. >> >> (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Carfax Request
Just like MB did in the late 90's. Stupid. On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Make: Volkswagen >> Model: Passat GLS > > I was looking at those Passats with the 1.8 liter turbo four for a > while. I got scared off by the sludge issue. Apparently the engine > really needs frequent oil changes, preferably synthetic, and VW dealer > service departments in the USA didn't get wind of it, or didn't pay > attention, until it was too late in many cases. (This story is all > over the web---VW forums, Edmunds, etc.---and I wouldn't take it > seriously if I didn't have personal experience with the failure of VW > dealers to do the simplest things correctly---they wanted to put > conventional oil in a TDI despite those engines having been designed > from the start, and only warranted, for Mobil 1 or similar > high-quality synthetic.) Bottom line is that I would only buy a VW or > Audi with the 1.8T engine from an enthusiast who had verifiably > changed the oil themselves with the right stuff and often. > > Alex Chamberlain > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] coasting
? How do you get that? Do they shut off their engines? Gassers still have to maintain stoich @ idle, consuming more fuel then diesels. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> ..This is because gassers have to maintain stoich where diesels are quite >> happy at 100:1 air/fuel ratios. When you are coasting in a diesel its >> like free mileage... >> >> > And when you are coasting in a late model gasser, no fuel is flowing so it's > "like free mileage." > > RLE > >> > > > > > ** > Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] drag coefficents
Drag = 1/2 Cd rho V^^2 Drag (air resistance) is one half of the coefficient of drag times density of air (or whatever fluid you are in) times the velocity squared --R Fmiser wrote: > It seems than at Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:42:23 -0500, R wrote: > > >> I still think that frontal area is not nearly so important as >> other things. You said "for a particular drivetrain >> efficiency" and I agree with that. >> > > Frontal area time Cd equals air resistance. So just looking at > Cd numbers is half the story. > > Your pickup may have the same Cd as a big truck with a flatbed > trailer - the frontal area is _way_ different. > > I think engine efficiency is a bigger deal than most figure on. > And it can very depending on engine speed - especially with a > turbo. There are plenty of stories of OM617 turbos that get > _better_ fuel efficiency at higher road speeds, probably because > the engine speed got to a sweet spot. > > >> I wonder about some of the numbers quoted below as well. I >> have a difficult time believing that the Tucker from the 40's >> is the equal of some of the current vehicles. It was without >> doubt efficient for its time, but it is still a lump compared >> to most of the new vehicles. >> > > Aerodynamics is not a new science. The airplanes of the 1930's > are quite smooth. The modern advantage is we can model ideas > inside a computer with _way_ less effort than a physical model > and a wind tunnel. > > -- Philip > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Harleys - was - the hottest VP
Now that I think about it I guess I can see it. Its like the rolled top of the fairing on my Honda, helps shoot air over your head. Has anyone ridden one of those Harleys? I wonder how visibility is with that... Well shield for lack of a better term. -Curt --- On Fri, 9/5/08, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Harleys - was - the hottest VP To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mercedes Discussion List" Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 4:28 PM The stubby windscreens? They do a great job at highway speeds without ruining the wind in hair affect @ 35mph. -Rolf Curt Raymond wrote: > To take the conversation totally sideways... > > What model Harley is that? It seems like there are loads of them around here all of a sudden. I think they're wicked ugly... It also seems like the fairing is pretty useless unless it somehow magically deflects wind away from your face in a way I can't guess at... > > -Curt > > Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:14:02 -0400 > From: Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] the hottest VP > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Found these fairly quickly: > > http://www.spock.com/Sarah-Palin/pictures?utm_source=SEM > > Vogue cover pic: > http://www.spock.com/picture_frame/58e4133w6b7ae4a752 > > Harley & short skirt: > http://www.spock.com/picture_frame/58e40dbwa38fc2f012 > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] coasting
> ..This is because gassers have to maintain stoich where diesels are quite > happy at 100:1 air/fuel ratios. When you are coasting in a diesel its > like free mileage... > And when you are coasting in a late model gasser, no fuel is flowing so it's "like free mileage." RLE > > ** Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Toyota/Honda
> > ...Soichiro would probably think so... > I agree completely. Both firms have taught some hard lessons to every other car manufacturer on the planet. But to me as a dedicated (and long suffering) German car driver, most of the Asian labels are just another medium size silver sedan with gray cloth seats and totally uninteresting. Generic. RLE ** Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Harleys - was - the hottest VP
The stubby windscreens? They do a great job at highway speeds without ruining the wind in hair affect @ 35mph. -Rolf Curt Raymond wrote: > To take the conversation totally sideways... > > What model Harley is that? It seems like there are loads of them around here > all of a sudden. I think they're wicked ugly... It also seems like the > fairing is pretty useless unless it somehow magically deflects wind away from > your face in a way I can't guess at... > > -Curt > > Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:14:02 -0400 > From: Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] the hottest VP > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Found these fairly quickly: > > http://www.spock.com/Sarah-Palin/pictures?utm_source=SEM > > Vogue cover pic: > http://www.spock.com/picture_frame/58e4133w6b7ae4a752 > > Harley & short skirt: > http://www.spock.com/picture_frame/58e40dbwa38fc2f012 > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] drag coefficents
It seems than at Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:42:23 -0500, R wrote: > I still think that frontal area is not nearly so important as > other things. You said "for a particular drivetrain > efficiency" and I agree with that. Frontal area time Cd equals air resistance. So just looking at Cd numbers is half the story. Your pickup may have the same Cd as a big truck with a flatbed trailer - the frontal area is _way_ different. I think engine efficiency is a bigger deal than most figure on. And it can very depending on engine speed - especially with a turbo. There are plenty of stories of OM617 turbos that get _better_ fuel efficiency at higher road speeds, probably because the engine speed got to a sweet spot. > I wonder about some of the numbers quoted below as well. I > have a difficult time believing that the Tucker from the 40's > is the equal of some of the current vehicles. It was without > doubt efficient for its time, but it is still a lump compared > to most of the new vehicles. Aerodynamics is not a new science. The airplanes of the 1930's are quite smooth. The modern advantage is we can model ideas inside a computer with _way_ less effort than a physical model and a wind tunnel. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] drag coefficents
I still think that frontal area is not nearly so important as other things. You said "for a particular drivetrain efficiency" and I agree with that. The drag co-efficient being lower probably helps with many other issues too, like reduced noise and improved ability to shed rain etc., but I really have to wonder how much advantage there is in fuel economy. My current F150 certainly looks more aerodynamic than my 86 Suburban but there is a minimal improvement in fuel economy. I wonder about some of the numbers quoted below as well. I have a difficult time believing that the Tucker from the 40's is the equal of some of the current vehicles. It was without doubt efficient for its time, but it is still a lump compared to most of the new vehicles. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 12:57 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] drag coefficents > > Hummer H2-.57 > > Citroen DS---.36 > > BMW Z4 coupe--.35 > > Volvo 940---.35 > > MB 2.3-16 valve.32 > > MB W203 coupe.29 > > Porsche 997.28 > > MB W203 sedan.27 > > MB W204 sedan.27 > > MB W211 sedan.27 > > Nissan GT-R-.27 > > Tucker Torpedo.27 > > MB W221 S-Class--.26 > > Honda Prius-.26 > > Honda Insight---.25 > > > > RLE > However, improved drag co-efficient probably makes a > difference of less than one mile per gallon. I remember car > magazine attempts to improve fuel mileage back in the 70's > when everyone was worried about gas availability and cost and > there did not seem to be much difference. One of the things > that I remember from one of those tests is that they got the > most improvement on a Suburban by putting an airdam under the > front bumper to divert air to the sides rather than letting it > go under the vehicle. I have ofter wondered if that might help > a vehcile like my truck. I could install it in the summer when > I am doing highway runs to the lake and not going offroad. I > could remove it for the winter so the thing didn't plough snow > and get damaged. The one they put on the Suburban in that test > long ago was just a flat aluminum plate that stuck down under > the front bumper. I could try it with something like that to > start but then would want something a bit more stylish if it > was going to be there long term. > Randy Frontal area is a _big_ factor. If you want to play with the factors, I built a spreadsheet. It will tell you the horsepower needed for a particular speed and the fuel economy for a particular drivetrain efficiency. (engine, transmission, etc.) The .ods is the OpenOffice original. The .xls is an untested export. http://host-a.net/fmiser/aerodynamicsplusfuel.xls.zip http://host-a.net/fmiser/aerodynamicsplusfuel.ods For some frontal area and Cd values, see: http://www.mayfco.com/tbls.htm -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Harleys - was - the hottest VP
To take the conversation totally sideways... What model Harley is that? It seems like there are loads of them around here all of a sudden. I think they're wicked ugly... It also seems like the fairing is pretty useless unless it somehow magically deflects wind away from your face in a way I can't guess at... -Curt Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:14:02 -0400 From: Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] the hottest VP To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Found these fairly quickly: http://www.spock.com/Sarah-Palin/pictures?utm_source=SEM Vogue cover pic: http://www.spock.com/picture_frame/58e4133w6b7ae4a752 Harley & short skirt: http://www.spock.com/picture_frame/58e40dbwa38fc2f012 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] GPS
Go to garmin.com and read about 'em. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] drag coefficents
> > Hummer H2-.57 > > Citroen DS---.36 > > BMW Z4 coupe--.35 > > Volvo 940---.35 > > MB 2.3-16 valve.32 > > MB W203 coupe.29 > > Porsche 997.28 > > MB W203 sedan.27 > > MB W204 sedan.27 > > MB W211 sedan.27 > > Nissan GT-R-.27 > > Tucker Torpedo.27 > > MB W221 S-Class--.26 > > Honda Prius-.26 > > Honda Insight---.25 > > > > RLE > However, improved drag co-efficient probably makes a > difference of less than one mile per gallon. I remember car > magazine attempts to improve fuel mileage back in the 70's > when everyone was worried about gas availability and cost and > there did not seem to be much difference. One of the things > that I remember from one of those tests is that they got the > most improvement on a Suburban by putting an airdam under the > front bumper to divert air to the sides rather than letting it > go under the vehicle. I have ofter wondered if that might help > a vehcile like my truck. I could install it in the summer when > I am doing highway runs to the lake and not going offroad. I > could remove it for the winter so the thing didn't plough snow > and get damaged. The one they put on the Suburban in that test > long ago was just a flat aluminum plate that stuck down under > the front bumper. I could try it with something like that to > start but then would want something a bit more stylish if it > was going to be there long term. > Randy Frontal area is a _big_ factor. If you want to play with the factors, I built a spreadsheet. It will tell you the horsepower needed for a particular speed and the fuel economy for a particular drivetrain efficiency. (engine, transmission, etc.) The .ods is the OpenOffice original. The .xls is an untested export. http://host-a.net/fmiser/aerodynamicsplusfuel.xls.zip http://host-a.net/fmiser/aerodynamicsplusfuel.ods For some frontal area and Cd values, see: http://www.mayfco.com/tbls.htm -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Carfax Request
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Make: Volkswagen > Model: Passat GLS I was looking at those Passats with the 1.8 liter turbo four for a while. I got scared off by the sludge issue. Apparently the engine really needs frequent oil changes, preferably synthetic, and VW dealer service departments in the USA didn't get wind of it, or didn't pay attention, until it was too late in many cases. (This story is all over the web---VW forums, Edmunds, etc.---and I wouldn't take it seriously if I didn't have personal experience with the failure of VW dealers to do the simplest things correctly---they wanted to put conventional oil in a TDI despite those engines having been designed from the start, and only warranted, for Mobil 1 or similar high-quality synthetic.) Bottom line is that I would only buy a VW or Audi with the 1.8T engine from an enthusiast who had verifiably changed the oil themselves with the right stuff and often. Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the hottest VP
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Found these fairly quickly: > http://www.spock.com/Sarah-Palin/pictures?utm_source=SEM She needs to eat a few more mooseburgers for my taste, or go on the all-donut diet like McCain, but she's definitely comely. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the hottest VP
http://www.kissmybigbluebutt.com/sarahp.jpg < that has to be a chop. "fetching pantsuits" has had me giggling for 15minutes now. It's a shame Fred didn't make it, his wife is hotter than all of the current choices. http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2007/08/04/PH2007080401561.jpg <- I'd hit it. It's a real shame Kucinich didn't make it. I'd have had atleast 4 years of wet dreams http://www.walkblackforest.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/Dennis_Elizabeth-jpg.jpg <- I'd worship it. -Rolf Rich Thomas wrote: > She was showing a little décolletage last night and it sure looked > better than whatever Hillary has under those fetching pantsuits. And > Mrs. McCain ain't half bad either. I think overall the Repub women are > better looking than the Dem women (who seem to be sourpusses most of the > time), and as smart (except for Hillary, the Smartest Woman In The World). > > It's gonna be hard for Obama to run against her. Oh wait... > > --R > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Carfax Request
Report Run Date: 2008-09-05 14:17:09.744 EDT The vehicle identification number you submitted has been analyzed and summary information on your car is shown below. VIN:WVWCE63B05E157309 Year: 2005 Make: Volkswagen Model: Passat GLS Style/Body: Wagon 4D Class: Mid Range Car - Premium Engine: 2.0L I4 DI / EDC / MPI Country of Assembly:Germany Vehicle Age:3 year(s) This vehicle's AutoCheck Score 91 91-92 This vehicle qualifies for Buyback Protection Section summaries Title and ProblemCheck: Your vehicle checks out! OdometerCheck: Your vehicle checks out! Vehicle Use and EventCheck: No vehicle use reported Full History: Detailed information available AutoCheck your title with TitleCheck. This car checks out with AutoCheck vehicle history. Your Vehicle Checks Out! AutoCheck's database for this 2005 Volkswagen Passat GLS (WVWCE63B05E157309) shows no negative titles or other problems. When reported to AutoCheck, these events can indicate serious past damage or other significant problems. 0 Problem(s) Reported: 15 Title/Problem areas checked: No abandoned title record No damaged title or major damage incident record No fire damaged title record No grey market title record No hail damage title record No insurance loss title record No junk or scrapped title record No manufacturer buyback/lemon title record No odometer problem title record No rebuilt/rebuildable title record No salvage title or salvage auction record No water damaged title record No NHTSA crash test record No frame damage record No recycling facility record This car checks out with AutoCheck vehicle history. Your Vehicle Checks Out! AutoCheck examined the reported odometer readings reported to AutoCheck for this 2005 Volkswagen Passat GLS (WVWCE63B05E157309) and no indication of an odometer rollback or tampering was found. AutoCheck uses business rules to determine if reported odometer readings are significantly less than previously reported values. Not all reported odometer readings are used. Title and auction events also report odometer tampering or breakage. 0 Problem(s) Reported: Mileage Date Reported vehicle history information has been found on this vehicle. This car checks out with AutoCheck vehicle history. Your Vehicle Checks Out! AutoCheck shows no additional information reported to AutoCheck about how this 2005 Volkswagen Passat GLS (WVWCE63B05E157309)has been used and other events. This includes reported accidents and corrected or duplicate titles and storm area registrations. 0 Event(s) Reported:6 Vehicle uses checked: No fleet, rental and/or lease use record No taxi use record No police use record No government use record No livery use record No driver education record 0 Event(s) Reported:9 Vehicle events checked: No accident record reported through state agencies or independent sources No corrected title record No duplicate title record No emission/safety inspection record No loan/lien record No fire damage incident record No repossessed record No theft record No storm area registration/title record Here is your full AutoCheck vehicle history report. Below are the historical events for this vehicle listed in chronological order. Any discrepancies will be in bold text. Report Run Date: 2008-09-05 14:17:09.744 EDT Vehicle: 2005 Volkswagen Passat GLS (WVWCE63B05E157309) Event date LocationOdometer readingData Source Details 07/06/2005 STE THERESE DE BLAINVILLE, QC Motor Vehicle Dept. CANADIAN RENEWAL 07/22/2005 Independent Source VEHICLE MANUFACTURED AND SHIPPED TO DEALER 07/15/2008 ST JEROME, QC Motor Vehicle Dept. CANADIAN RENEWAL ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the hottest VP
Found these fairly quickly: http://www.spock.com/Sarah-Palin/pictures?utm_source=SEM Vogue cover pic: http://www.spock.com/picture_frame/58e4133w6b7ae4a752 Harley & short skirt: http://www.spock.com/picture_frame/58e40dbwa38fc2f012 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] drag coefficents
I saw a Tucker in 1948 when I was 14. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] drag coefficents > Jim Cathey wrote: > > > There was also a movie made about the Tuckers. > > I've got the movie, and also the issue of Mechanic's Illustrated in which a > young Tom McCahill tested the 1948 Tucker, but I was unfamiliar with the "Tucker > Torpedo" (not to mention the "Honda Prius"). > > I looked at the Tucker club website, where they said this: > "The car is called the "Tucker '48" (for its model year). It was only called the > "Tucker Torpedo" as it was being designed and promoted. Therefore no Tucker > Torpedos were ever built." > http://www.tuckerclub.org/html/history.php > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] drag coefficents
> There was also a movie made about the Tuckers. My grandfather was the advertising manager for Preston Tucker and the Tucker Torpedo. http://notorc.blogspot.com/2006/11/preston-tucker-story-1-ordeal-by-trialhtml http://www.fye.com/Tucker--The-Man-and-His-Dream-Front-Page_stcVVproductId1376365VVcatId455366VVviewprod.htm Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coat #7 take 2
Tarps for the ground? Heck I got a paved floor in my garage. Apparently they paved over sand or maybe jell-o becuase its not even sort of like considering being smooth I just let the paint fall. When it hardens the floor is actually IMPROVED. ;) Everybody should be so lucky! -Curt --- On Fri, 9/5/08, Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coat #7 take 2 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mercedes Discussion List" Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 12:57 PM On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 5:23 AM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Besides not all of us have a garage bay we could dedicate to painting in. I've only got a 1 car >garage, when I actually paint the car that work will all be done outside. Yeah, the overhead is the killer for a proper spray-paint setup. With a roller you will do just fine as far as protective gear goes with some tarps for the ground, and goggles, nitrile gloves, and maybe a $25 cartridge respirator for you. But spray paint goes EVERYWHERE and you need full-body protection and a dedicated bay. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] School taxes
http://www.kcci.com/news/17399648/detail.html Unique approach. > -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coat #7 take 2
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 5:23 AM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Besides not all of us have a garage bay we could dedicate to painting in. > I've only got a 1 car >garage, when I actually paint the car that work will > all be done outside. Yeah, the overhead is the killer for a proper spray-paint setup. With a roller you will do just fine as far as protective gear goes with some tarps for the ground, and goggles, nitrile gloves, and maybe a $25 cartridge respirator for you. But spray paint goes EVERYWHERE and you need full-body protection and a dedicated bay. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Interesting Card
So in the mail today came a very nice card, printed on heavy stock in a nice envelope, with a very nice Benz logo, from the formerly-local Benz dealer, congratulating me on my 1 year anniversary of owning a 300SD (son's car, not sure how they got my name on it). I think that is very cool. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] College Costs
I love Gump. She was built right and still retains that quality feel even if she is a rolling turd in the eyes of a few people I live with. Compared to the E300, she is stone age and simple. That w124 though is starting to show her age and has some creaks and age issues that I would have not been picky about in a toyota. We got to use a C300 for a week this summer and compared to the E300 it was really spiffy, in a toyota sort of way. Nice and new and shiny. But not the build quality of Gump or the E. Just seemed to fail to exude quality that way you feel when you slip into the driver's seat of the older cars. clay On 5 Sep 2008, at 07:51, John Robbins wrote: > > >> The joy of a benz being well built is long gone > > How fond of you of your E300? I'm very very happy with the CDI. It > is > by no means perfect... I was in a 2008 accord the other day, and it > made > me appreciate the build quality and refinement of the CDI. I can find > nitpicky things wrong with the car, but I guess I've been spoiled by > MB > for a while. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hood pad adhesive
Peter wrote: "Prop the broom just below the center of the hood and carefully peel the top half back and let it hang down. Make sure the bottom hasn't moved, then apply three LIGHT coats of adhesive to the pad and hood. You want barely complete coverage on the hood and a very light coat on the pad -- it's open cell foam and it looks like the adhesive disappears, but don't add more. Once it's tacky, carefully push the upper half into place. DO NOT press down until you are satisfied with the location -- you can peel it back off it it's just touching. Press it in a bit more, then fold the bottom half up and spray the adhesive on the hood and pad." This is exactly the process I used for the hood pad on my 90 300D. So, ask OK Don if it is still holding a couple of years later. I used the 3M spray adhesive. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the hottest VP
She was showing a little décolletage last night and it sure looked better than whatever Hillary has under those fetching pantsuits. And Mrs. McCain ain't half bad either. I think overall the Repub women are better looking than the Dem women (who seem to be sourpusses most of the time), and as smart (except for Hillary, the Smartest Woman In The World). It's gonna be hard for Obama to run against her. Oh wait... --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
