Re: [MBZ] How do you lubricate accelerator cables?
The bike places sell a little rubber device that clamps on the cable at one end. There is then a small hole to insert an aerosol can tube of the lube of your choice. About $14 for mine and it worked well for me. I sprayed in Kroil. Thanks Harry 86 300 SDL ( going on the block shortly) - Original Message - From: Euan goneb...@paradise.net.nz To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 7:17 PM Subject: [MBZ] How do you lubricate accelerator cables? Gentlemen The answer to this question is probably 'get new cables'. But here goes anyway. I want to lubricate the two accelerator cables in my 300TD engine bay. Dry cables (now 400+ K miles old) may be contributing to occasional failures of my accelerator to return to idle. I've replaced associated struts and have lubricated all the mini ball-joints in the linkages. I'm loathe to use WD40 which is the most likely to run freely between inner and outer. But how do you get light lubricating oil to run down the length of the cable? Cheers Euan Christchurch NZ 1985 W123 300TD 5-spd manual 221K miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1958 180D $1500
Kevin Kraly wrote: Yeah, it would be fun puttin' around Hillsboro with it, drag racing the Geo Metros and LOSING! But hey, it can run on biodiesel LOL! I think he said something about an engine transplant. How about a 1958 560SE, for example? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W107 resale values are in the tank
Not just common but uninspiring, IMHO. On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 10:06 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I agree - it was built from late '72 to '90 (IIRC) - WAY too common. I've been surprised that the prices have stayed as high as they have for so long. On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I have a hard time believing that a pristine late W107 will ever be worth anywhere near this amount. [$45k] Probably never, as about 250,000 107's were made. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How do you lubricate accelerator cables?
Important point here: There are no cables on your throttle linkage. Its all mechanical linkage. As others have said, ATF is the lubricant to use. You should first take several pictures of the linkage so you can put it back the way it was before you started. Then, remove each piece one by one. Clean both ball and socket using a tooth brush, end of a rag, or anything else that might get into the sockets. Use ATF as the cleaner as well as lube. Finally, remove the accelerator pedal. There is a clip at the bottom where it connects to the floor. Slide it off the linkage shaft it rides on... lubricate the shaft with some white grease. You might need to replace the little plastic piece on the back of the pedal that rides on the shaft... its cheap. In fact, the whole pedal is cheap if its falling apart. Before starting the engine... carefully check the linkage is installed properly, returns to idle by itself, and has full range of motion. Jaime On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Euan goneb...@paradise.net.nz wrote: Gentlemen The answer to this question is probably 'get new cables'. But here goes anyway. I want to lubricate the two accelerator cables in my 300TD engine bay. Dry cables (now 400+ K miles old) may be contributing to occasional failures of my accelerator to return to idle. I've replaced associated struts and have lubricated all the mini ball-joints in the linkages. I'm loathe to use WD40 which is the most likely to run freely between inner and outer. But how do you get light lubricating oil to run down the length of the cable? Cheers Euan Christchurch NZ 1985 W123 300TD 5-spd manual 221K miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How do you lubricate accelerator cables?
I'm loathe to use WD40 which is the most likely to run freely between inner and outer. But how do you get light lubricating oil to run down the length of the cable? I had a nearly-seized hood cable from the yard I was using to replace a broken one. I taped my vacuum pump to one end and dipped the other in ATF. Did the same thing with an idle control cable on a 240D. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Ford parts
My daughter's Ford needs an alternator. Can anybody recommend a counterpart to Rusty for 'merican cars? You know .. someone who offers oe parts for a good price with excellent service? Ned Kleinhenz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Ford parts
ned kleinhenz wrote: My daughter's Ford needs an alternator. Can anybody recommend a counterpart to Rusty for 'merican cars? You know .. someone who offers oe parts for a good price with excellent service? There's a discount outlet for Ferd factory parts, but I forget the address. Rockauto.com and even Amazon.com can have good prices on aftermarket stuff. advanceautoparts.com often has coupons for $40 off a $100 order, as long as there's no motor oil in the order. Coupons here: http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/topic_view.php?catid=18threadid=1023879start=0 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Ford parts
On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 09:44:29 -0400 ned kleinhenz ned.kleinh...@gmail.com wrote: My daughter's Ford needs an alternator. Can anybody recommend a counterpart to Rusty for 'merican cars? You know .. someone who offers oe parts for a good price with excellent service? Someone posted to the list awhile back how to get to World Pac's entire catalog (rather than just the Mercedes section). That may have included American cars. Unfortunately, I don't recall the procedure. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Ford parts
Check my website, I may have it. I can let you know tomorrow. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld -Original Message- From: ned kleinhenz ned.kleinh...@gmail.com Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 09:44:29 To: Mercedes ListMercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] OT Ford parts My daughter's Ford needs an alternator. Can anybody recommend a counterpart to Rusty for 'merican cars? You know .. someone who offers oe parts for a good price with excellent service? Ned Kleinhenz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Ford parts
Go to www.buymbparts.biz then click on shop now click on make and change Mercedes to Ford, then search engine electrical. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld -Original Message- From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 08:07:46 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Ford parts On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 09:44:29 -0400 ned kleinhenz ned.kleinh...@gmail.com wrote: My daughter's Ford needs an alternator. Can anybody recommend a counterpart to Rusty for 'merican cars? You know .. someone who offers oe parts for a good price with excellent service? Someone posted to the list awhile back how to get to World Pac's entire catalog (rather than just the Mercedes section). That may have included American cars. Unfortunately, I don't recall the procedure. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Ford parts
flaps? On 10/24/2010 8:44 AM, ned kleinhenz wrote: My daughter's Ford needs an alternator. Can anybody recommend a counterpart to Rusty for 'merican cars? You know .. someone who offers oe parts for a good price with excellent service? Ned Kleinhenz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1144 / Virus Database: 422/3215 - Release Date: 10/23/10 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W107 resale values are in the tank
Don - Does sound a bit excessive but you may be surprised what they will bring in the right market. There is a fellow in Wilmington, CA who's business is buying at auction and parting out 107s. If he gets one that is really clean or maybe one that is not too badly damaged he will fix it up and then send them to buyers in Europe or sometimes send just hard to find parts. They are evidently very sought after over there and hard to find there. My son has a friend from Germany, who is a pharmacist over there, that comes here to CA occasionally to visit family. While here he will find good clean rust free Mercedes cars of all years and chassis types to send back to Germany, Russia, etc., maybe 2 or 3 per year. Barry I have a hard time believing that a pristine late W107 will ever be worth anywhere near this amount. [$45k] Probably never, as about 250,000 107's were made. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT cycling helmets and...
Rich Thomas wrote: I'll send you a pic tomorrow. Found it. http://i.imgur.com/HIQgb.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT cycling helmets and...
Mitch Haley wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: I'll send you a pic tomorrow. Found it. http://i.imgur.com/HIQgb.jpg Actually, that wasn't Rich or even Col. Strickland. I'm told it's Col. Russ Williams of CFB Trenton. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/10/18/col-williams-court-1018.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W107 resale values are in the tank
I agree, even though I own one. I have always felt that the 107 looks totally uninteresting compared to the 113 it replaced. Having said that, for some reason the SLC has always fascinated me. The extra few inches in length seem to make the design work much better. And having the Euro bumpers makes a BIG difference. When I bought my 450SLC, I was surprised to discover that it is SO comfortable and very fun to drive. It's like driving a supercharged 114! I think I'd be less pleased with a later 560SL, which had firmer shocks and front end bits poached from the 124. D. Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Not just common but uninspiring, IMHO. On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 10:06 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I agree - it was built from late '72 to '90 (IIRC) - WAY too common. I've been surprised that the prices have stayed as high as they have for so long. On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I have a hard time believing that a pristine late W107 will ever be worth anywhere near this amount. [$45k] Probably never, as about 250,000 107's were made. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT cycling helmets and...
I'm still having to breath very slowly through my nose, and I was suddenly reminded of the image, again. Have you no mercy for the weak of tummy and heart? ;))) Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT cycling helmets and... Mitch Haley wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: I'll send you a pic tomorrow. Found it. http://i.imgur.com/HIQgb.jpg Actually, that wasn't Rich or even Col. Strickland. I'm told it's Col. Russ Williams of CFB Trenton. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/10/18/col-williams-court-1018.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W107 resale values are in the tank
Really? I thought it was the same with the exception of the engines, tranny, and ACC through the production span. (Oh, yes - and the reinforced front sub-frame). I did enjoy the drive - handling of the SLC. Just not the fuel gulping and dead rubber bits under the dash, leaking sunroof, torn up seats --- great car otherwise. On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 11:32 AM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: I think I'd be less pleased with a later 560SL, which had firmer shocks and front end bits poached from the 124. D. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W107 resale values are in the tank
I too have never heard of 107's with 124 front end parts. They all were basically 115 front ends. On 10/24/2010 2:10 PM, OK Don wrote: Really? I thought it was the same with the exception of the engines, tranny, and ACC through the production span. (Oh, yes - and the reinforced front sub-frame). I did enjoy the drive - handling of the SLC. Just not the fuel gulping and dead rubber bits under the dash, leaking sunroof, torn up seats --- great car otherwise. On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 11:32 AM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: I think I'd be less pleased with a later 560SL, which had firmer shocks and front end bits poached from the 124. D. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W107 resale values are in the tank
Now, if you could put a 124 rear end under it -- that might be a NICE handling car! On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: I too have never heard of 107's with 124 front end parts. They all were basically 115 front ends. On 10/24/2010 2:10 PM, OK Don wrote: Really? I thought it was the same with the exception of the engines, tranny, and ACC through the production span. (Oh, yes - and the reinforced front sub-frame). I did enjoy the drive - handling of the SLC. Just not the fuel gulping and dead rubber bits under the dash, leaking sunroof, torn up seats --- great car otherwise. On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 11:32 AM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: I think I'd be less pleased with a later 560SL, which had firmer shocks and front end bits poached from the 124. D. OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How do you lubricate accelerator cables?
Thanks for this, Jaime. There is indeed a cable in my accelerator set-up. It runs from the pedal to the physical linkages you mention. In fact there are two cables, but the second runs from the idle adjustor knob. So, ATF it is then. Not light lubricating oil. I was planning to use a syringe and needle to force the oil down the cable. Might do my push-bike cables at the same time. I'll report back Cheers Euan Important point here: There are no cables on your throttle linkage. Its all mechanical linkage. As others have said, ATF is the lubricant to use. You should first take several pictures of the linkage so you can put it back the way it was before you started. Then, remove each piece one by one. Clean both ball and socket using a tooth brush, end of a rag, or anything else that might get into the sockets. Use ATF as the cleaner as well as lube. Finally, remove the accelerator pedal. There is a clip at the bottom where it connects to the floor. Slide it off the linkage shaft it rides on... lubricate the shaft with some white grease. You might need to replace the little plastic piece on the back of the pedal that rides on the shaft... its cheap. In fact, the whole pedal is cheap if its falling apart. Before starting the engine... carefully check the linkage is installed properly, returns to idle by itself, and has full range of motion. Jaime On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Euangoneb...@paradise.net.nz wrote: Gentlemen The answer to this question is probably 'get new cables'. But here goes anyway. I want to lubricate the two accelerator cables in my 300TD engine bay. Dry cables (now 400+ K miles old) may be contributing to occasional failures of my accelerator to return to idle. I've replaced associated struts and have lubricated all the mini ball-joints in the linkages. I'm loathe to use WD40 which is the most likely to run freely between inner and outer. But how do you get light lubricating oil to run down the length of the cable? Cheers Euan Christchurch NZ 1985 W123 300TD 5-spd manual 221K miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT cycling helmets and...
OK Don wrote: we, the tax payers, we fotting the bill to treat those folks whom Darwin didn't quite take out of the pool Perhaps a better characterization of this is that we need to draw the line as to when care and treatment stops. Then we can see if Darwin wins or not. However, methinks that the 'professionals' in the medical care biz will make you shed tears that you are not going to make their next boat payment. Care does not imply permanent dependence. There is a logical end of when medical practice stops. We do not have an endless amount of cash to pay for the 'care' for which we seem to argue support. And the new insco paradigm coming in this kountry will dictate that reality, real quick. I really don't care. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT cycling helmets and...
WILTON wrote: Have you no mercy for the weak of tummy and heart? ;))) That is the question I ask of you, Wilton. The image in my mind is that you looked good in spandex, ever? A couple days ago you wrote: ...I just realized I probably wouldn't look very good in spandex any more. Did you wear spandex in the cock - oops - pit? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W107 resale values are in the tank
According to MB, the following are among the items that were changed for the 560SL (only version 107.048): Different spring rate Harder shocks with shorter travel Larger torsion bar (up 1mm to 26mm) Front axle carrier (backwards compatible to previous 107/114/115) Front lower ctrl arm (extended to change geometry; 124 balljoint) Front upper ctrl arm (change of materials; replaceable balljoint) Steering knuckle/arm (from 124) Front hub (from 124/201) Brake discs (from 124/201) Steering (less travel, different pump) Prop shaft carrier (124; changed shape of tunnel to accommodate) Rear diff carrier (to get rid of the SL rear diff whine; better isolation, different mounts, and subframe mts left/right are different) Axle shafts (from SEC, but no vibration dampers) Fuel tank mount (because of the changed diff suspension) A-pillars (they don't say what changed) B-pillars (126 locks and strikers required redesign) Doors (126 door handles) Main floor (changed stiffening) Rear floor (?) Hood (cutout for larger brake booster) Firewall (presumably for the booster) Seats (more side bolstering) And of course, the front skirt was changed and they added the little spoiler. All of this from the R107 CD. There's a 560SL supplement. From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W107 resale values are in the tank I too have never heard of 107's with 124 front end parts. They all were basically 115 front ends. On 10/24/2010 2:10 PM, OK Don wrote: Really? I thought it was the same with the exception of the engines, tranny, and ACC through the production span. (Oh, yes - and the reinforced front sub-frame). I did enjoy the drive - handling of the SLC. Just not the fuel gulping and dead rubber bits under the dash, leaking sunroof, torn up seats --- great car otherwise. On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 11:32 AM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: I think I'd be less pleased with a later 560SL, which had firmer shocks and front end bits poached from the 124. D. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OM617 chain crimp tool - how to use?
OK, so I've managed to borrow a chain crimper and I'm feeding in the chain today. Any tips about how to use the crimping tool? Is it just visual, or is there a recommended torque or something that I can use to know that the crimp was correct and sufficient? The engine manual only refers to the c-clip type of chain link. I have an extra master link in case I bugger it up... D. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Ford parts
On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 15:05:45 + buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: Go to www.buymbparts.biz then click on shop now click on make and change Mercedes to Ford, then search engine electrical. Yes, of course, Rusty knows! I went to www.buymbparts.biz, clicked on shop now, and then hovered my mouse over Mercedes (which was the only active link in the vicinity) and saw a pop-up that said, Click to select a different Vehicle Make. I clicked Mercedes and the word Mercedes went away, but there was no place to type in another make. However, if you click on a year, you do get a page that shows different makes of automobiles, from Acura to Workhorse. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] big vacuum line check valve
Is the check valve in the main vacuum line from the pump to the booster available separate? Its the valve that looks like its heat fitted to the plastic main line. I went a broke off the nipple of the side line coming off this check valve while putting my 140 back together!!! I dont want to have to replace the whole stupid line. If anybody has a part number that would be great. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT cycling helmets and...
I'm not looking at that... Walt On Oct 24, 2010 1:33 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: I'm still having to breath very slowly through my nose, and I was suddenly reminded of the image, again. Have you no mercy for the weak of tummy and heart? ;))) Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT cycling helmets and... Mitch Haley wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: I'll send you a pic tomorrow. Found it. http://i.imgur.com/HIQgb.jpg Actually, that wasn't Rich or even Col. Strickland. I'm told it's Col. Russ Williams of CFB Trenton. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/10/18/col-williams-court-1018.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT cycling helmets and...
Walt Zarnoch wrote: I'm not looking at that... In Canukistan, they put a mass murderer who likes to dress up in bras and panties in command of an air force base. One of the women he killed was an air force corporal. He's become a national embarrassment, especially now that multiple pictures from his personal transvestite photo album are spreading around the internet. Mitch, ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT cycling helmets and...
'Have never worn spandex, ('wore nomex in the flight cabin - er, cockpit)
but there was a time I might have looked good (to some, anyway) in it.
Wilton
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WILTON wrote:
Have you no mercy for the weak of tummy and
heart? ;)))
That is the question I ask of you, Wilton.
The image in my mind is that you looked good in spandex, ever?
A couple days ago you wrote: ...I just realized I probably wouldn't
look very good in spandex any more. Did you wear spandex in the cock
- oops - pit?
mao
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Re: [MBZ] OT Ford parts
Oops, sorry! Do that too. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld -Original Message- From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 14:35:46 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Ford parts On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 15:05:45 + buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: Go to www.buymbparts.biz then click on shop now click on make and change Mercedes to Ford, then search engine electrical. Yes, of course, Rusty knows! I went to www.buymbparts.biz, clicked on shop now, and then hovered my mouse over Mercedes (which was the only active link in the vicinity) and saw a pop-up that said, Click to select a different Vehicle Make. I clicked Mercedes and the word Mercedes went away, but there was no place to type in another make. However, if you click on a year, you do get a page that shows different makes of automobiles, from Acura to Workhorse. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] big vacuum line check valve
No. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld -Original Message- From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 15:44:58 To: mercedes Mailing Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] big vacuum line check valve Is the check valve in the main vacuum line from the pump to the booster available separate? Its the valve that looks like its heat fitted to the plastic main line. I went a broke off the nipple of the side line coming off this check valve while putting my 140 back together!!! I dont want to have to replace the whole stupid line. If anybody has a part number that would be great. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Ford parts
Try Rusty, he can get some stuff... I've been using Rockauto.com, their prices are hard to beat. Just did a window regulator on the Ranger, Rock Auto came in at half of FLAPS... -Curt Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 09:44:29 -0400 From: ned kleinhenz ned.kleinh...@gmail.com To: Mercedes List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] OT Ford parts Message-ID: aanlktim+7reoam-hlimny1am_mmuc9mooudsv0pbp...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 My daughter's Ford needs an alternator. Can anybody recommend a counterpart to Rusty for 'merican cars? You know .. someone who offers oe parts for a good price with excellent service? Ned Kleinhenz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Ford parts
If my prices look high jut call and I'll see what I can do. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld -Original Message- From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 14:31:10 To: Diesel Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Ford parts Try Rusty, he can get some stuff... I've been using Rockauto.com, their prices are hard to beat. Just did a window regulator on the Ranger, Rock Auto came in at half of FLAPS... -Curt Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 09:44:29 -0400 From: ned kleinhenz ned.kleinh...@gmail.com To: Mercedes List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] OT Ford parts Message-ID: aanlktim+7reoam-hlimny1am_mmuc9mooudsv0pbp...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 My daughter's Ford needs an alternator. Can anybody recommend a counterpart to Rusty for 'merican cars? You know .. someone who offers oe parts for a good price with excellent service? Ned Kleinhenz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Subframe mount question
Okay now that I'm sufficiently calmed from yesterday's calamity... How far into the mount should a subframe bushing sit? All the ones I've removed were flush, or rather fit to the shelf in the bushing so the bushing hung out maybe 3/16. All the ones I've put in hung WAY out, like 1/2 - 1... The mounts on my '83 240D hung like that for the duration which was maybe 5,000 miles before the engine died. Still like that as far as I know. Either I'm getting the wrong parts (doubtful) or I'm doing something massively wrong installing them (likely) or they will squash into place over time (doubtful). -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W107 resale values are in the tank
Wow - that's a lot more than I realized! On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 3:13 PM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: According to MB, the following are among the items that were changed for the 560SL (only version 107.048): Different spring rate Harder shocks with shorter travel Larger torsion bar (up 1mm to 26mm) Front axle carrier (backwards compatible to previous 107/114/115) Front lower ctrl arm (extended to change geometry; 124 balljoint) Front upper ctrl arm (change of materials; replaceable balljoint) Steering knuckle/arm (from 124) Front hub (from 124/201) Brake discs (from 124/201) Steering (less travel, different pump) Prop shaft carrier (124; changed shape of tunnel to accommodate) Rear diff carrier (to get rid of the SL rear diff whine; better isolation, different mounts, and subframe mts left/right are different) Axle shafts (from SEC, but no vibration dampers) Fuel tank mount (because of the changed diff suspension) A-pillars (they don't say what changed) B-pillars (126 locks and strikers required redesign) Doors (126 door handles) Main floor (changed stiffening) Rear floor (?) Hood (cutout for larger brake booster) Firewall (presumably for the booster) Seats (more side bolstering) And of course, the front skirt was changed and they added the little spoiler. All of this from the R107 CD. There's a 560SL supplement. From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W107 resale values are in the tank I too have never heard of 107's with 124 front end parts. They all were basically 115 front ends. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Ford parts
I've had good experiences with Rock also. Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 2:31 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Ford parts Try Rusty, he can get some stuff... I've been using Rockauto.com, their prices are hard to beat. Just did a window regulator on the Ranger, Rock Auto came in at half of FLAPS... -Curt Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 09:44:29 -0400 From: ned kleinhenz ned.kleinh...@gmail.com To: Mercedes List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] OT Ford parts Message-ID: aanlktim+7reoam-hlimny1am_mmuc9mooudsv0pbp...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 My daughter's Ford needs an alternator. Can anybody recommend a counterpart to Rusty for 'merican cars? You know .. someone who offers oe parts for a good price with excellent service? Ned Kleinhenz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W107 resale values are in the tank
Dave, thanks for posting that. I had a 85 SL and an 86 and I always felt there was a big difference in interior comfort, handling and ride. Your post confirmed that. John On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 1:13 PM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: According to MB, the following are among the items that were changed for the 560SL (only version 107.048): Different spring rate Harder shocks with shorter travel Larger torsion bar (up 1mm to 26mm) Front axle carrier (backwards compatible to previous 107/114/115) Front lower ctrl arm (extended to change geometry; 124 balljoint) Front upper ctrl arm (change of materials; replaceable balljoint) Steering knuckle/arm (from 124) Front hub (from 124/201) Brake discs (from 124/201) Steering (less travel, different pump) Prop shaft carrier (124; changed shape of tunnel to accommodate) Rear diff carrier (to get rid of the SL rear diff whine; better isolation, different mounts, and subframe mts left/right are different) Axle shafts (from SEC, but no vibration dampers) Fuel tank mount (because of the changed diff suspension) A-pillars (they don't say what changed) B-pillars (126 locks and strikers required redesign) Doors (126 door handles) Main floor (changed stiffening) Rear floor (?) Hood (cutout for larger brake booster) Firewall (presumably for the booster) Seats (more side bolstering) And of course, the front skirt was changed and they added the little spoiler. All of this from the R107 CD. There's a 560SL supplement. From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W107 resale values are in the tank I too have never heard of 107's with 124 front end parts. They all were basically 115 front ends. On 10/24/2010 2:10 PM, OK Don wrote: Really? I thought it was the same with the exception of the engines, tranny, and ACC through the production span. (Oh, yes - and the reinforced front sub-frame). I did enjoy the drive - handling of the SLC. Just not the fuel gulping and dead rubber bits under the dash, leaking sunroof, torn up seats --- great car otherwise. On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 11:32 AM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: I think I'd be less pleased with a later 560SL, which had firmer shocks and front end bits poached from the 124. D. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Ford parts
Greg Fiorentino wrote: I've had good experiences with Rock also. I buy from Rock when something is Warehouse clearance - 30 day warranty for about half the normal price. That helps make up for the steep shipping rates. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] big vacuum line check valve
Buy the whole line -- if the plastic is getting brittle, something else will break soon. Not worth messing with in my experience. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subframe mount question
What did you lubricate them with? they won't go in dry. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] big vacuum line check valve
Is the check valve in the main vacuum line from the pump to the booster available separate? I did this on the 560 SEL, and Shoe Goo, epoxy, etc., just won't hold up in the heat. The only thing that worked was to grab a miscellaneous junkyard line, then use the heat gun to soften the tecalan tubing to swap parts. (Or buy a new one, of course!) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Generator theory.
Hey Y'all, I am puzzled with a generator problem. Swapped with a supposedly good generator, but still no joy. THis particular case does not have a full regulator, but a partial, called a cut off switch (it looks like a delco regulator on an old chevy with a generator. This cut-off relay is attached to the generator, so this is supposed to be a known good one. Troubleshooting so far: From the armature terminal a wire goes to the cut-offswitch. Inside there is a relay. When i push down to make contact, the output terminal to the armature is energized. I have not seen the relay engerize by itself 1. With the engine running: no voltage anywhere in the charging system except at the battery terminal on the cut-out switch. 2. I checked continuity from the Field terminal to the resister, then through the resistor All good, but I was not able to get from the resistor to ground. I ran a temp ground from the resistor to the battery. Started the engine, but still no generating. 3. I checked continuity of what internal components of the cut-off relay that I could. all appeared to be ok. Ran out of daylight. I was not able to check voltage when holding the relay switch closed AFTER i made sure the resister had a good ground. Not enough hands. IN theory: THe battery voltage passes through the relay to the armature. The field goes through a resister to ground. Seems simple. Is this the correct theory? What should I check next? Is there any danger of frying the generator if I hook the battery directly to the armature for testing at low engine rpm? Seems like that and checking voltage , engine running, with the relay points closed are the next thing to check. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator theory.
On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 19:18:07 -0500 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Y'all, I am puzzled with a generator problem. For what vehicle? From the armature terminal a wire goes to the cut-offswitch. Inside there is a relay. When i push down to make contact, the output terminal to the armature is energized. I have not seen the relay engerize by itself Can you get an ohmmeter on the relay's coil's terminals and measure its resistance? 1. With the engine running: no voltage anywhere in the charging system except at the battery terminal on the cut-out switch. 2. I checked continuity from the Field terminal to the resister, then through the resistor All good, but I was not able to get from the resistor to ground. I ran a temp ground from the resistor to the battery. Started the engine, but still no generating. Is there current flowing through the resistor under this condition? Does the resistor really want to go to ground, or to the battery's positive? 3. I checked continuity of what internal components of the cut-off relay that I could. all appeared to be ok. Ran out of daylight. I was not able to check voltage when holding the relay switch closed AFTER i made sure the resistor had a good ground. Not enough hands. Get a helper, or tie one lead of the voltmeter to the chassis some way. That way you'll only need two hands. IN theory: THe battery voltage passes through the relay to the armature. The field goes through a resister to ground. Seems simple. Is this the correct theory? What should I check next? As I mentioned above, the field winding's terminal may want to be connected to the battery positive terminal because the other end of the field winding may be grounded to the case of the generator. Is there any danger of frying the generator if I hook the battery directly to the armature for testing at low engine rpm? I don't know for sure. If all the relay does is connect the armature to the battery, no. In that case, why bother changing connections; just push the relay closed. Seems like that and checking voltage , engine running, with the relay points closed are the next thing to check. I think checking with the relay points closed is the first thing to check. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator theory.
On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 19:18:07 -0500 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Y'all, I am puzzled with a generator problem. For what vehicle? IH Tractor. Positive ground, 6 v. Battery voltage: 6.3v From the armature terminal a wire goes to the cut-offswitch. Inside there is a relay. When i push down to make contact, the output terminal to the armature is energized. I have not seen the relay engerize by itself Can you get an ohmmeter on the relay's coil's terminals and measure its resistance? I have not been able to find one side of the coil. I plan to take the other one I took off to the auto electric shop to test and see if it is ok. If it turns out to be ok, then the problem is elsewhere. I didn't plan to start this, but the weather was nice, and I thought all I was doing was swapping the generator. 1. With the engine running: no voltage anywhere in the charging system except at the battery terminal on the cut-out switch. 2. I checked continuity from the Field terminal to the resister, then through the resistor All good, but I was not able to get from the resistor to ground. I ran a temp ground from the resistor to the battery. Started the engine, but still no generating. Is there current flowing through the resistor under this condition? Does the resistor really want to go to ground, or to the battery's positive? 1. I did not check for current after I did continuity. 2.It appears to be to ground. it goes to the case of the LHDB selector switch, and that is attached to the electric box, which is a chassis ground. 3. I checked continuity of what internal components of the cut-off relay that I could. all appeared to be ok. Ran out of daylight. I was not able to check voltage when holding the relay switch closed AFTER i made sure the resistor had a good ground. Not enough hands. Get a helper, or tie one lead of the voltmeter to the chassis some way. That way you'll only need two hands. My old voltmeter had clips. that was handy. I have never seen another meter with clips. IN theory: THe battery voltage passes through the relay to the armature. The field goes through a resister to ground. Seems simple. Is this the correct theory? What should I check next? As I mentioned above, the field winding's terminal may want to be connected to the battery positive terminal because the other end of the field winding may be grounded to the case of the generator. It is basically a delco generator, the same as any 1950 chevy. I don't know how it is wired. Is there any danger of frying the generator if I hook the battery directly to the armature for testing at low engine rpm? I don't know for sure. If all the relay does is connect the armature to the battery, no. In that case, why bother changing connections; just push the relay closed. Seems like that and checking voltage , engine running, with the relay points closed are the next thing to check. I think checking with the relay points closed is the first thing to check. YES Thanks. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator theory.
If this is in fact a generator, it must produce current when spun. If not, either the brushes are bad, the commutator is so dirty they won't make contact, or you have an open winding. The voltage regulator must be CLOSED with no voltage -- it opens to prevent overcharging. I would check brushes and commutator condition, then make sure you have a solid connection to the battery and ground. Most likely you have a wiring problem, but it's possible you have an open winding on the generator. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] big vacuum line check valve
As Rusty said, no, but if you can find the nipple that broke off: find a drill bit that is snug in the nipple. note the size for future use. Epoxy the nipple back on. after the epoxy has cured fully (at least 24 hours) run the drill bit in by hand to see if it goes through the epoxy joint. Likely it won't. Turn the drill by hand until you are through the epoxy. Depending on how and where the break is, you may be able to reinforce the joint with brass tubing over the outside. The takeoff is a metered flow, so that is why the hole has to be the right diameter. Otherwise the amount metered is wrong. You can look at the repair on my old SDL. As far as I know, it is still holding. Is the check valve in the main vacuum line from the pump to the booster available separate? Its the valve that looks like its heat fitted to the plastic main line. I went a broke off the nipple of the side line coming off this check valve while putting my 140 back together!!! I dont want to have to replace the whole stupid line. If anybody has a part number that would be great. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] big vacuum line check valve
As others have suggested, replace the whole thing, line and all. I have tried this several times, stubbornly convinced that I could replace the check valve only. I was never successful, even with fairly new line heated to soften it. MB (Rusty) sells the line with the valve installed as a complete part, I believe. Dan --- On Sun, 10/24/10, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] big vacuum line check valve To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sunday, October 24, 2010, 8:23 PM Is the check valve in the main vacuum line from the pump to the booster available separate? I did this on the 560 SEL, and Shoe Goo, epoxy, etc., just won't hold up in the heat. The only thing that worked was to grab a miscellaneous junkyard line, then use the heat gun to soften the tecalan tubing to swap parts. (Or buy a new one, of course!) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator theory.
Wiring diagram: http://s101.photobucket.com/albums/m46/farmallbob/Farmall%20Tractor%20Wiring%20Diagrams/?action=viewcurrent=03-6Voltcutoutanddistributor-rev-1.gif (doesn't show the internal workings of the 4 position switch) This has a diagram of the 4 position switch. LHDB L= low charge = field winding grounded through a resistor. H = Field grounded directly. D = High charge plus dim headlights. B = High charge plus bright headlights on. http://www.tractorshed.com/cgi-bin/gallery/pieces_pic.cgi?pic=http;//www.tractorshed.com/gallery/pieces/p50454.jpgfirstrec=1lastrec=15Parameter=mode=Allwhat=pieces SO: what I get out of this is that high charge grounds the field. so if I ground the field, there should be no damage at low-med engine RPM. AND: It appears that the battery can be connected to the armature. ONE OTHER THOUGHT: Somewhere I heard years ago that you can turn a generator into a motor by hooking up the + and - a certain way. Does anyone now how to do that? I could easily test the loose generator that way. and even the one on the engine should make a noticeable effort to turn the engine over. (for a second or so.) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How do you lubricate accelerator cables?
Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Important point here: There are no cables on your throttle linkage. Its all mechanical linkage. What about right-hand steer? I'm pretty sure Euan is in New Zealand. Right? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Battery charging and emergency power
Came across this while looking for how to motorize a Delco generator: http://www.theepicenter.com/tow02077.html Pretty interesting, and they sell the brackets and other parts. That is about as nifty as knowing how to make a black box to run a 3 phase Bridgeport on 1 phase juice. (of course both are worthless unless you need it.) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How do you lubricate accelerator cables?
Right. MB builds a lot of stuff we never see in the US of A or norte Amerika Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Important point here: There are no cables on your throttle linkage. Its all mechanical linkage. What about right-hand steer? I'm pretty sure Euan is in New Zealand. Right? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator theory.
On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 21:42:27 -0500 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Wiring diagram: http://s101.photobucket.com/albums/m46/farmallbob/Farmall%20Tractor%20Wiring%20Diagrams/?action=viewcurrent=03-6Voltcutoutanddistributor-rev-1.gif (doesn't show the internal workings of the 4 position switch) This has a diagram of the 4 position switch. http://www.tractorshed.com/cgi-bin/gallery/pieces_pic.cgi?pic=http;//www.tractorshed.com/gallery/pieces/p50454.jpgfirstrec=1lastrec=15Parameter=mode=Allwhat=pieces SO: what I get out of this is that high charge grounds the field. so if I ground the field, there should be no damage at low-med engine RPM. The first link's schematic shows no way to ground the field directly. Something is wrong here, but I cannot tell you if it's the first link or the second link. AND: It appears that the battery can be connected to the armature. My guess is that the cutout relay is energized by the generator and pulls in to connect the generator to the battery when the engine is running, working like a mechanical diode so the battery doesn't discharge through the generator when the engine is not running. ONE OTHER THOUGHT: Somewhere I heard years ago that you can turn a generator into a motor by hooking up the + and - a certain way. Does anyone now how to do that? Hook the field up so it is powered by the battery and hook the armature up to the battery and it should spin. I could easily test the loose generator that way. and even the one on the engine should make a noticeable effort to turn the engine over. (for a second or so.) Given that it's intended to do the reverse and doesn't have the mechanical advantage a starter does, I would expect there to be no visible indication the generator is trying to turn the engine. Try this: Disconnect all wires from the generator and measure the resistance from the field terminal to the frame of the generator. Then measure the resistance from the field terminal to the armature terminal. One of the measurements should have a higher resistance (though maybe not by much). A generator, as used in these applications, has to have a residual magnetic field in the field winding's core in order to start generating. If that residual field has been lost, the generator will not generate. You will need to flash the field with a battery (a momentary connection to magnetize the field's iron core). http://www.engineersedge.com/motors/generator_field_flashing.htm http://www.generatorguide.net/howgeneratorworks.html Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Battery charging and emergency power
We've ran a phase converter for eons(years in any case), cheaper than paying National Greed to do a polyphase drop. Alternators are amazing things when you think about it, who doesn't have at least one in the parts bin and a gas powered something to put it on? Walt On Oct 24, 2010 11:33 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Came across this while looking for how to motorize a Delco generator: http://www.theepicenter.com/tow02077.html Pretty interesting, and they sell the brackets and other parts. That is about as nifty as knowing how to make a black box to run a 3 phase Bridgeport on 1 phase juice. (of course both are worthless unless you need it.) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How do you lubricate accelerator cables?
I'd sure as heck want the part numbers for that linkage if possible! Been looking all over heck and high water for an easy way to get the cable on my truck mated to the mech linkage that doesn't involve me fabricating more stuff... I usually just get the spray tube close to the cable end, wrap a rag/rubber glove around it, and spray. Works well enough for government work :) Walt On Oct 24, 2010 11:42 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Right. MB builds a lot of stuff we never see in the US of A or norte Amerika Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Important point here: There are no cables on your throttle linkage. Its all mechanical linkage. What about right-hand steer? I'm pretty sure Euan is in New Zealand. Right? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT cycling helmets and...
Good god, now I need mental floss AND comet cleaner for the minds eye... Walt On Oct 24, 2010 4:57 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Walt Zarnoch wrote: I'm not looking at that... In Canukistan, they put a mass murderer who likes to dress up in bras and panties in command of an air force base. One of the women he killed was an air force corporal. He's become a national embarrassment, especially now that multiple pictures from his personal transvestite photo album are spreading around the internet. Mitch, ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator theory.
Thanks Craig, The schematic is not a real schematic as it does not show any of the grounds. The field resister ends at the case of the LHDB switch, and that is chassis ground. The text of the other link explains this. Ja, I did polarize the new Generator. I found this on a hotrod forum: After reading up on how these work I found a few tests that could be done to verify their function a) Disconnect the v-belt and wires, run power to the armature post and ground the field post. The generator should now spin and act as a motor, disrupting the field/ground circuit should make the speed go up. Mine spins like a motor but if there is a speed increase it's very very small. b) Disconnect all wires, run the engine. Connect a voltage gauge across Armature and ground and then ground the Field post. Voltage should now be linear to the engine speed and show up to 40 volts. Mine shows nothing. Measuring the resistance across the field coils shows abt 10 ohms and measuring the coils on some spare housings shows abt the same resistance. Looks like motorizing would be an easy test., although the post above sounds like + to A and - to F and your description sounds opposite, although neither is specific. It is is like most DC motors, the only difference is CW or CCW rotation, based on polarity. On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 21:42:27 -0500 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Wiring diagram: http://s101.photobucket.com/albums/m46/farmallbob/Farmall%20Tractor%20Wiring%20Diagrams/?action=viewcurrent=03-6Voltcutoutanddistributor-rev-1.gif (doesn't show the internal workings of the 4 position switch) This has a diagram of the 4 position switch. http://www.tractorshed.com/cgi-bin/gallery/pieces_pic.cgi?pic=http;//www.tractorshed.com/gallery/pieces/p50454.jpgfirstrec=1lastrec=15Parameter=mode=Allwhat=pieces SO: what I get out of this is that high charge grounds the field. so if I ground the field, there should be no damage at low-med engine RPM. The first link's schematic shows no way to ground the field directly. Something is wrong here, but I cannot tell you if it's the first link or the second link. AND: It appears that the battery can be connected to the armature. My guess is that the cutout relay is energized by the generator and pulls in to connect the generator to the battery when the engine is running, working like a mechanical diode so the battery doesn't discharge through the generator when the engine is not running. ONE OTHER THOUGHT: Somewhere I heard years ago that you can turn a generator into a motor by hooking up the + and - a certain way. Does anyone now how to do that? Hook the field up so it is powered by the battery and hook the armature up to the battery and it should spin. I could easily test the loose generator that way. and even the one on the engine should make a noticeable effort to turn the engine over. (for a second or so.) Given that it's intended to do the reverse and doesn't have the mechanical advantage a starter does, I would expect there to be no visible indication the generator is trying to turn the engine. Try this: Disconnect all wires from the generator and measure the resistance from the field terminal to the frame of the generator. Then measure the resistance from the field terminal to the armature terminal. One of the measurements should have a higher resistance (though maybe not by much). A generator, as used in these applications, has to have a residual magnetic field in the field winding's core in order to start generating. If that residual field has been lost, the generator will not generate. You will need to flash the field with a battery (a momentary connection to magnetize the field's iron core). http://www.engineersedge.com/motors/generator_field_flashing.htm http://www.generatorguide.net/howgeneratorworks.html Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator theory.
On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 23:17:43 -0500 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Craig, The schematic is not a real schematic as it does not show any of the grounds. The field resister ends at the case of the LHDB switch, and that is chassis ground. The text of the other link explains this. I see. a) Disconnect the v-belt and wires, run power to the armature post and ground the field post. The generator should now spin and act as a motor, disrupting the field/ground circuit should make the speed go up. Mine spins like a motor but if there is a speed increase it's very very small. I don't see how the speed would go up with the field winding not connected. b) Disconnect all wires, run the engine. Connect a voltage gauge across Armature and ground and then ground the Field post. Voltage should now be linear to the engine speed and show up to 40 volts. Mine shows nothing. Measuring the resistance across the field coils shows abt 10 ohms and measuring the coils on some spare housings shows abt the same resistance. Then at least it's not open. Looks like motorizing would be an easy test., although the post above sounds like + to A and - to F and your description sounds opposite, although neither is specific. I think I said something confusing by saying, Hook the field up so it is powered by the battery ... What I meant was to get the battery powering the field winding in the normal polarity. With a positive ground system, it sounds like negative battery terminal to armature terminal to power armature and field winding (which apparently has its other end connected to the armature terminal), and positive terminal (ground) to the field terminal. It is is like most DC motors, the only difference is CW or CCW rotation, based on polarity. Yes, that is true, but you want the correct polarity. You don't want the generator putting out +6 volts when the battery wants -6 volts. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 chain crimp tool - how to use?
Well, my timing chain installation went well, except that NEITHER of the supplied links would fit onto the master link supplied in the box with the IWIS chain. Seems like they included two of the outside links instead of one outside and one sliding middle link. Even with the proper tool, it isn't possible to force the MIDDLE link into position when the chain is on the camshaft sprocket because of how the neighbouring links interfere with the chain. It can only work with a slip-on middle link. Fortunately, when I bought the chain I had also obtained a spare master link. I actually THOUGHT I was ordering the kind with the c-clips, but alas when it arrived it was the swage/crimp-on type just like the one included with the chain. An important difference though: the spare master link was indeed supplied with two different link plates, one designed to slip on without force as the middle link, and one that is forced on with the tool. They were even different colours. So I slid the middle link plate into position and used the tool to press the outside link plate on, then swaged the ends using the tool. For reference, numbers for the separate IWIS master link were: IWIS D67HP-7 IWIS 00028304 MB# 000 997 28 98 Rusty online: W0133-1641676 The master link that came with the chain was marked IWIS D67HP-2 (Article 70006673). Both link plates were the same colour. Hope this helps someone somewhere. And after all that fuss, the new chain reads almost exactly the same offset as the old chain: 15 degrees ATDC (!), a slight improvement from 17 degrees. Next step is to remove an injector and use the lift method to check where actual TDC is, followed by a check of start of delivery on the IP. Perhaps the harmonic balancer is not positioned correctly, or perhaps the original chain had skipped a tooth on the cam sprocket... Once that's all solved, my set of brand new Monark injectors go in! D. At 9:31 PM + 10/24/10, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: -- Message: 5 Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 13:17:27 -0700 From: David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] OM617 chain crimp tool - how to use? Message-ID: f06240801c8ea43f6c...@[192.168.2.108] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii OK, so I've managed to borrow a chain crimper and I'm feeding in the chain today. Any tips about how to use the crimping tool? Is it just visual, or is there a recommended torque or something that I can use to know that the crimp was correct and sufficient? The engine manual only refers to the c-clip type of chain link. I have an extra master link in case I bugger it up... D. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
