Re: [MBZ] deuce and a half

[RELNGSON]

> ...I like the idea, but I had the same reaction.  I'm quite sure a
> deuce-and-a-half originally had a more interesting transmission than
> just a 5-speed...
> 
They had an inline six with a 4-speed Hydramatic and a 2-speed transfer 
case.

RLE
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Re: [MBZ] I bought a battery...

[Craig]

On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 22:08:15 -0500 OK Don  wrote:

> Seven degrees of separation between the start of a thread and the end?

Or maybe stream of consciousness as a literary form? (I once wrote an
essay in a college literature course saying that stream of consciousness
was not a valid literary form. THAT sure went over well! :-) )

Or maybe full of sound and fury, signifying nothing?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Was Plymouth van tranny/hijacked to AB 380's

[Dieselhead]

Sounds like better accommodations.

'Found out today grandson's flying American from Raleigh-Durham to 
Heathrow, then British Airways from Heathrow to Nice, so probably 
not 380's this time. On 380's for round trip last summer.


Wilton


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[MBZ] OT - Was Plymouth van tranny/hijacked to AB 380's

[WILTON]

'Found out today grandson's flying American from Raleigh-Durham to Heathrow, 
then British Airways from Heathrow to Nice, so probably not 380's this time. 
On 380's for round trip last summer.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "WILTON" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Plymouth van tranny question


Son to MTU reminds me:  # 1 grandson leaves Tuesday night for a year's 
study in France as his junior year at UNC-CH; 'hope Air France has the 
bugs work out of the 380's etc.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "OK Don" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Plymouth van tranny question



Update - the van worked fine for SWMBO following the scare and running in
second only event. Son had LOTS of stuff that we HAD to take to MTU, so 
we

took the risk and loaded up the van to the extent that I couldn't see out
the rear window. Son's 190D was almost as full. We left Tuesday AM for
Houghton, MI, arrived Wednesday evening. Found an apartment Thursday, and
finished setting him up for the coming year Friday. Head back to OK Sat. 
AM,

got home 2 hours ago. 2363 miles.
The van performed flawlessly. The VERY slow driving through MI was
compensated with 25 mpg usage by the van, which is an all-time high for 
it.
Son's standard tranny 190D 2.2 averaged 42 mpg over the trip up. This car 
is

3 years older than he is - and also performed flawlessly.
Now, back to the daily grind for some rest!

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 7:43 PM, OK Don  wrote:


Yup - I've definitaly crossed to the dark side, I have an ML!

No codes to be read. I cleaned the battery posts, didn't see anything 
else
to clean. I'll change the tranny fluid and filter, they're getting close 
to

being due anyway.
SWMBO will be driving it this coming week, I'll be keeping my fingers
crossed.

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 4:56 PM, G Mann  wrote:

Yeah... that's what you get for going to the dark side and driving one 
of

those silly little computer controlled machines. Come back to the
dependable mechanical Mercedes era when something broke off you could 
see

it
hanging and duct tape it in place till you got home. :))

I wonder how many cars and Iphones will fail when this next round of 
super

sun spots hits... or god forbid we have a nuke EMP somewhere flash the
sensitive electronics everyone has come to depend on. I don't see a 
happy

ending.

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 2:47 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> Duh! Never even thought to look for codes, since no idiot lights lit 
> up

--
> I'll see if my generic OBDii reader can find anything.
>
> On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 4:40 PM, G Mann  wrote:
>
> > Don't know that models quirks but it follows current computer logic
built
> > into todays cars to default to a "limp home mode" when
something/anything
> > violates the electronic boundaries preloaded.
> >
> > With full air, heat, and what ever other stressors may have been at
play
> > perhaps one of those triggers got pulled.  Perhaps a code pull at 
> > your

> > local
> > friendly shop would be in order.
> > It is common for transmission shift points to be keyed to engine 
> > load

> > sensors and a raft load of other twitchy electronics.
> >
> > Intermittent electrical problems are the worst. If you get luck,
> something
> > recorded one.
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 2:31 PM, OK Don  wrote:
> >
> > > OK - will do. The tranny is working fine right now - full blast 
> > > AC,

but
> > no
> > > lights. It is only 95 today, so 15 degrees cooler than when we 
> > > had

the
> > > problem.
> > >
> > > It was stuck in 2nd. - started in second, and would not shift 
> > > out. I

> > didn't
> > > have the presence of mind to check reverse when i got home - wish 
> > > I

> had.
> > >
> > > There is some corrosion on the battery terminals, though not 
> > > gross.

> I'll
> > > clean them next. I did suck out about a cup of fluid, the level
seems
> to
> > be
> > > right at the top of the max line now, though it's real hard to 
> > > see

the
> > oil
> > > level clearly.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Michael Canfield <
slozuk...@gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > I would check grounds.  Sounds like the trans is not shifting 
> > > > into

od
> > and
> > > > lockup when there is a high electrical load.  Try to run 
> > > > lights,

ac,
> > etc
> > > > and
> > > > see if trans acts up again.  Negative battery terminal was bad 
> > > > on

the
> > > last
> > > > Chrysler product that gave me very similar issues.  Had to 
> > > > drive

slow
> > > with
> > > > the heater or headlights on.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > On Aug 7, 2011 2:38 PM, "OK Don"  wrote:
> > > > > We were cruising all around town (OKC metro area) lst week on 
> > > > > a

> 110F
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > shade day, with the AC on full blast. The car - 1 1997 
> > > > > Plymouth

> Grand
> > > > > Caravan, 3.3 engine, 115,000 miles - decided to only run in
second

Re: [MBZ] I bought a battery...

[WILTON]

Yep.  'Round and 'round it goes.

BTW, what's "wrong" with Diehards?  Now, you see?  We're back to batteries 
already.  ;<))


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Craig" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I bought a battery...



On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 22:23:58 -0400 Rich Thomas
 wrote:


Y'all need to check on Irene - current forecast calls for landfall at
Myrtle Beach Sat afternoon as CAT2 or 3.  Either you leave like
Thursday Max, or you'll be sitting in a parking lot for 2 days. while
getting the agitation and rinse cycle all rolled into one.


And to think I started this thread to say what type of battery I bought!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] I bought a battery...

[OK Don]

Seven degrees of seperation between the start of a thread and the end?

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 10:01 PM, Craig  wrote:

> On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 22:23:58 -0400 Rich Thomas
>  wrote:
>
> > Y'all need to check on Irene - current forecast calls for landfall at
> > Myrtle Beach Sat afternoon as CAT2 or 3.  Either you leave like
> > Thursday Max, or you'll be sitting in a parking lot for 2 days. while
> > getting the agitation and rinse cycle all rolled into one.
>
> And to think I started this thread to say what type of battery I bought!
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Plymouth van tranny question

[OK Don]

We purchased the '97 new. It's had 1 water pump, 2 idler pulleys/tensioners,
1 starter, 2 batteries, 1 axle seal, and a couple sets of tires in the
115,000 miles. It's using about a quart of oil and a quart of anti-freeze
every 2500 miles now. No leaks. Thed rivers window would rather not come
back up after being lowered (takes 30 - 50 switch actions to get it closed
again), 1 side door lock doesn't actuate sometimes, and the drivers door arm
rest and panel is pulling off the door. Other than the dent in the rear
bumper cover due to a backing-up incident at Kaleb's previous house, it's in
pretty good shape (if you ignore the powering and departing paint on the
roof).

On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 11:50 PM, kevin kraly  wrote:

> We had a $800 '91 Voyager beater complete with pealing paint and an
> occasional 2nd gear sticking probblem as well as the balking fwd gear after
> backing out when cold.  The above issues were the reason for the low price
> although it only had 110K miles.  It spent most of the time in town with an
> occasional freeway run and served us well for 3 years.  The 2nd gear
> situation was more likely to happen when it was cold, and would almost
> always go back to normal after driving a while, shutting it down and
> restarting it again.  Tranny shop said that it may need a shift pack
> solenoid, but I never had it fixed since it was so easy to work around.  We
> now have a '05 T&C touring purchased new 6 years ago, now with 33K miles on
> it, 3.3L engine.  Other than the rear shocks getting bouncy, it's been
> wonderful.
>
> Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon
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Re: [MBZ] I bought a battery...

[Craig]

On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 22:23:58 -0400 Rich Thomas
 wrote:

> Y'all need to check on Irene - current forecast calls for landfall at 
> Myrtle Beach Sat afternoon as CAT2 or 3.  Either you leave like
> Thursday Max, or you'll be sitting in a parking lot for 2 days. while
> getting the agitation and rinse cycle all rolled into one.

And to think I started this thread to say what type of battery I bought!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 14" tire recommendations

[Fmiser]

> > > Alex Chamberlain wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks guys.  Just browsing the reviews it seems like people
> > > like the HPs much better than the RTs---consistent
> > > complaints of the latter being noisy and squirrely at high
> > > speed.

> > Fmiser  wrote:
> >
> > Hmm.  I don't often drive faster than 75 mph (120 km/h), but
> > I haven't ever noticed mine being squirrelly.  And I guess
> > noisy is a very subjective term.  The engine, wind, turbo,
> > and passengers are a lot louder than my tires. *smiles*
> >
> > But then my experience is a sample of one...

> Alex Chamberlain wrote:
> 
> FWIW, the only reviewer of the Altimax RTs in Tire Rack's
> database with a Mercedes has a '77 300D and likes them fine.
> I would link directly if I could.  (Is that you, Philip?)

Nope. Not me.  Mine are on an '85 wagon.

-- Philip

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Re: [MBZ] I bought a battery...

[Rich Thomas]

Y'all need to check on Irene - current forecast calls for landfall at 
Myrtle Beach Sat afternoon as CAT2 or 3.  Either you leave like Thursday 
Max, or you'll be sitting in a parking lot for 2 days. while getting the 
agitation and rinse cycle all rolled into one.


--R

On 8/22/11 8:01 PM, WILTON wrote:
Yeah, let's try that.  Cracker Barrel?  Selma (exit 97) or Wilson 
(exit 121)?  Either one 'bout the same for me.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Max Dillon" 


To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I bought a battery...


I may be going by your neck of the woods on Saturday, maybe we can do 
coffee or lunch?


Max
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WILTON  wrote:

Well, 'preciate your concern, anyway. ;<)))

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Max Dillon" 


To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I bought a battery...



Actually I'm getting concerned, maybe you should stop driving now, I'll
give a fair price for your cars, more than Kaleb would give you.

Max ;)
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WILTON  wrote:

I really hope I will use what I have re-learned with yesterday's 
post in

reference to Nova/Vega and today's post re. a file and a quart of motor
oil.
I really do need to proofread a little better before clicking 
"send." The
store for the file was only 2 miles away, not 22, and I asked SWMBO 
to get

a
quart of motor OIL, of course, not a motor.
I doubt if you guys care either way, but it really upsets me and
embarrasses
me to screw up something so simple.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "WILTON" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I bought a battery...


Reminds me: Summer of '58, while SWMBO and I were visiting my 
mother for

a few days, I started to cut here grass with her rotary mower that had
dull blade. I asked SWMBO to a hardware store in town 22 miles away 
and
get a 12" flat bastard file. She came back in a few minutes and 
said to
me, "They wanta know what you are using it for." I replied, "Just 
get the
file - a 12" flat bastard file - I'll decide how I'm gonna use it - 
just
get the file." Fast forward to spring of '88; I was using a chain 
saw in
the back yard; 'needed some oil for its chain; 'didn't wanta take 
extra

time to go significantly farther and pay extra money for "chain oil."
'Asked SWMBO to go to garage 2 blocks away and get "a quart of the
cheapest motor they have." She came back in a few minutes and said, 
"They

don't have any." I jumped in the car and went to the garage; walked in
and asked, "Do you really not have any motor oil?" Mechanic 
replied, "Oh,
yeah, we have motor oil, but she said you're gonna use it in a 
chainsaw.

We don't have chainsaw oil." My reply, "I am, but it's irrelevant what
I'm using it for. Just sell me a quart of the cheapest motor oil you
have."

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Curt Raymond" 


To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I bought a battery...



I don't trust the Autozone computers.

Last battery I bought was for my '85 190D, they wanted to sell me 
some

dinky little thing, 700cca. I said "No, I want a Group 49" they
insisted.
I told them I had an '83 240D (not a lie, I did have one) and they 
tried

to sell me an EVEN SMALLER(!) 600cca unit.

I finally told them I had no car at all, had walked in that day and I
wanted a big battery to run my boat. They let me pick whatever I 
wanted.


I'm so glad they built a new Autozone just over the border in tax 
free
New Hampshire. When I went yesterday they asked if I needed 
anything, I

responded "as long as the oil is in the 'oil zone' I'm all set." They
laughed and allowed as how that was probably where the oil was. I see
I'll have to train this store to carry more M1 5w40 but thats not all
that hard.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:18:57 -0600
From: Craig 
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I bought a battery...
Message-ID: <20110820231857.98a265e8.diese...@pisquared.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:16:39 -0500 OK Don  wrote:


I was surprised when I found out that the vergassers I've owned all
used the same group 49 battery that the Diesels do - the 107 450SLC,
the 124 300E, and I think the MLuses it also, but need to check 
to be

sure.


Well, according to AutoZone (and the smaller Mercedes battery that 
was

in
there), the 124 320E is not supposed to use a Group 49 battery. The
Group
49 did fit, however, so that's what I got. I would guess that the
battery
tray is sized for a diesel engine.


Craig


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Re: [MBZ] 14" tire recommendations

[Allan Streib]

Alex Chamberlain  writes:

> FWIW, the only reviewer of the Altimax RTs in Tire Rack's database
> with a Mercedes has a '77 300D and likes them fine.  I would link
> directly if I could.  (Is that you, Philip?)

My 300SD came with four nearly-new Altimax RTs installed, size 205/70
R14

Since I haven't driven it yet, can't say how I like them.  I was
somewhat happy that I would not need new tires right away though.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] Early 126 water in trunk

[Jim Cathey]

I can see all of those except the windshield---how's it get all the
way back there?


That would be the _rear_ windshield, of course.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes/GMC 5-Speed Diesel Army 6x6 Cargo Truck w Winch - $2950 (Cornwall)

[Jim Cathey]

But _which_ engine???  Enquiring minds want to know!


Probably OM342, the Mog/Truck engine.  DI, not IDI, very
noisy.  Circa 100HP w/o turbo.  Ether very much OK
(and often required) in it.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] W126 door locks

[Jim Cathey]

Last week I installed a new battery and since than the pump for the 
central
locking system does not come on. When I had a vac. leak and the pump 
"timed"

out, I reset it by momentarily disconnecting the #13 fuse.
Does not work this time.


#13?  Not #1?  Make it a longer power-off than just a moment.
On 126 I do it at the pump, in spare tire well.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] LubroMoly follow-up

[Curt Raymond]

Is this a different product from Diesel Purge?
Why thats the old standby for cleaning the IP, injectors, etc. Plumb it into a 
clean container and run the engine on just that, watch black horrific crud pour 
back into your container.

Which reminds me I need to diesel purge my '78 240D BADLY. I need to call Rusty 
anyway and order a radiator for my 190D while his sale is on...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 08:59:26 -0400
From: Rolf 
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] LubroMoly follow-up
Message-ID: <4e5252ae.8070...@winmutt.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Mostly snake oil. 99% diesel/petroleum/benzene. Running a tank of b100
will have similar effects.

Nothing beats pulling injectors and having them cleaned at a Bosch shop.

-Rolf

On 08/19/2011 09:06 PM, Hendrik & Fay wrote:
> Speaking of luby Moly, anyone use their Diesel purge/clean/flush product?
>
> Hendrik

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Re: [MBZ] I bought a battery...

[WILTON]

Yeah, let's try that.  Cracker Barrel?  Selma (exit 97) or Wilson (exit 
121)?  Either one 'bout the same for me.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Max Dillon" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I bought a battery...


I may be going by your neck of the woods on Saturday, maybe we can do 
coffee or lunch?


Max
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WILTON  wrote:

Well, 'preciate your concern, anyway. ;<)))

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Max Dillon" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I bought a battery...



Actually I'm getting concerned, maybe you should stop driving now, I'll
give a fair price for your cars, more than Kaleb would give you.

Max ;)
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WILTON  wrote:

I really hope I will use what I have re-learned with yesterday's post in
reference to Nova/Vega and today's post re. a file and a quart of motor
oil.
I really do need to proofread a little better before clicking "send." The
store for the file was only 2 miles away, not 22, and I asked SWMBO to 
get

a
quart of motor OIL, of course, not a motor.
I doubt if you guys care either way, but it really upsets me and
embarrasses
me to screw up something so simple.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "WILTON" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I bought a battery...



Reminds me: Summer of '58, while SWMBO and I were visiting my mother for
a few days, I started to cut here grass with her rotary mower that had
dull blade. I asked SWMBO to a hardware store in town 22 miles away and
get a 12" flat bastard file. She came back in a few minutes and said to
me, "They wanta know what you are using it for." I replied, "Just get 
the

file - a 12" flat bastard file - I'll decide how I'm gonna use it - just
get the file." Fast forward to spring of '88; I was using a chain saw in
the back yard; 'needed some oil for its chain; 'didn't wanta take extra
time to go significantly farther and pay extra money for "chain oil."
'Asked SWMBO to go to garage 2 blocks away and get "a quart of the
cheapest motor they have." She came back in a few minutes and said, 
"They

don't have any." I jumped in the car and went to the garage; walked in
and asked, "Do you really not have any motor oil?" Mechanic replied, 
"Oh,

yeah, we have motor oil, but she said you're gonna use it in a chainsaw.
We don't have chainsaw oil." My reply, "I am, but it's irrelevant what
I'm using it for. Just sell me a quart of the cheapest motor oil you
have."

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond" 

To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I bought a battery...



I don't trust the Autozone computers.

Last battery I bought was for my '85 190D, they wanted to sell me some
dinky little thing, 700cca. I said "No, I want a Group 49" they
insisted.
I told them I had an '83 240D (not a lie, I did have one) and they 
tried

to sell me an EVEN SMALLER(!) 600cca unit.

I finally told them I had no car at all, had walked in that day and I
wanted a big battery to run my boat. They let me pick whatever I 
wanted.


I'm so glad they built a new Autozone just over the border in tax free
New Hampshire. When I went yesterday they asked if I needed anything, I
responded "as long as the oil is in the 'oil zone' I'm all set." They
laughed and allowed as how that was probably where the oil was. I see
I'll have to train this store to carry more M1 5w40 but thats not all
that hard.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:18:57 -0600
From: Craig 
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I bought a battery...
Message-ID: <20110820231857.98a265e8.diese...@pisquared.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:16:39 -0500 OK Don  wrote:


I was surprised when I found out that the vergassers I've owned all
used the same group 49 battery that the Diesels do - the 107 450SLC,
the 124 300E, and I think the MLuses it also, but need to check to be
sure.


Well, according to AutoZone (and the smaller Mercedes battery that was
in
there), the 124 320E is not supposed to use a Group 49 battery. The
Group
49 did fit, however, so that's what I got. I would guess that the
battery
tray is sized for a diesel engine.


Craig


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[MBZ] Anyone need a V8 Klima for AC?

[Dieselhead]

Part number 002 545 18 05 Klima relay for sale.  Fits V8 124 and 126 
models, and maybe more.  $35


Controls the A/C compressor on/off based on several inputs.

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Re: [MBZ] W126 door locks

[Dieselhead]

In the 124 CD, there is a procedure to "reset" the vacuum pump.  I 
had never heard of this, or done it.  There may be a similar 
procedure on the 126.  Should be 80- something on the CD




Last week I installed a new battery and since than the pump for the central
locking system does not come on. When I had a vac. leak and the pump "timed"
out, I reset it by momentarily disconnecting the #13 fuse.
Does not work this time.

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Re: [MBZ] Oil change, etc...

[Max Dillon]

How are they marked?

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Peter Frederick  wrote:

The pumps that use ATF are clearly marked. Anything else gets power 
steering fluid. Similar but not the same, and ATF is suspected in 
seal failures in the newer pumps and boxes.

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Re: [MBZ] I bought a battery...

[Max Dillon]

I may be going by your neck of the woods on Saturday, maybe we can do coffee or 
lunch?

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WILTON  wrote:

Well, 'preciate your concern, anyway. ;<)))

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Max Dillon" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I bought a battery...


> Actually I'm getting concerned, maybe you should stop driving now, I'll 
> give a fair price for your cars, more than Kaleb would give you.
>
> Max ;)
> -- 
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>
> WILTON  wrote:
>
> I really hope I will use what I have re-learned with yesterday's post in
> reference to Nova/Vega and today's post re. a file and a quart of motor 
> oil.
> I really do need to proofread a little better before clicking "send." The
> store for the file was only 2 miles away, not 22, and I asked SWMBO to get 
> a
> quart of motor OIL, of course, not a motor.
> I doubt if you guys care either way, but it really upsets me and 
> embarrasses
> me to screw up something so simple.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "WILTON" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 12:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] I bought a battery...
>
>
>> Reminds me: Summer of '58, while SWMBO and I were visiting my mother for
>> a few days, I started to cut here grass with her rotary mower that had
>> dull blade. I asked SWMBO to a hardware store in town 22 miles away and
>> get a 12" flat bastard file. She came back in a few minutes and said to
>> me, "They wanta know what you are using it for." I replied, "Just get the
>> file - a 12" flat bastard file - I'll decide how I'm gonna use it - just
>> get the file." Fast forward to spring of '88; I was using a chain saw in
>> the back yard; 'needed some oil for its chain; 'didn't wanta take extra
>> time to go significantly farther and pay extra money for "chain oil."
>> 'Asked SWMBO to go to garage 2 blocks away and get "a quart of the
>> cheapest motor they have." She came back in a few minutes and said, "They
>> don't have any." I jumped in the car and went to the garage; walked in
>> and asked, "Do you really not have any motor oil?" Mechanic replied, "Oh,
>> yeah, we have motor oil, but she said you're gonna use it in a chainsaw.
>> We don't have chainsaw oil." My reply, "I am, but it's irrelevant what
>> I'm using it for. Just sell me a quart of the cheapest motor oil you
>> have."
>>
>> Wilton
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Curt Raymond" 
>> To: "Diesel List" 
>> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 11:01 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] I bought a battery...
>>
>>
>>>I don't trust the Autozone computers.
>>>
>>> Last battery I bought was for my '85 190D, they wanted to sell me some
>>> dinky little thing, 700cca. I said "No, I want a Group 49" they 
>>> insisted.
>>> I told them I had an '83 240D (not a lie, I did have one) and they tried
>>> to sell me an EVEN SMALLER(!) 600cca unit.
>>>
>>> I finally told them I had no car at all, had walked in that day and I
>>> wanted a big battery to run my boat. They let me pick whatever I wanted.
>>>
>>> I'm so glad they built a new Autozone just over the border in tax free
>>> New Hampshire. When I went yesterday they asked if I needed anything, I
>>> responded "as long as the oil is in the 'oil zone' I'm all set." They
>>> laughed and allowed as how that was probably where the oil was. I see
>>> I'll have to train this store to carry more M1 5w40 but thats not all
>>> that hard.
>>>
>>> -Curt
>>>
>>> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:18:57 -0600
>>> From: Craig 
>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] I bought a battery...
>>> Message-ID: <20110820231857.98a265e8.diese...@pisquared.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>>>
>>> On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:16:39 -0500 OK Don  wrote:
>>>
 I was surprised when I found out that the vergassers I've owned all
 used the same group 49 battery that the Diesels do - the 107 450SLC,
 the 124 300E, and I think the MLuses it also, but need to check to be
 sure.
>>>
>>> Well, according to AutoZone (and the smaller Mercedes battery that was 
>>> in
>>> there), the 124 320E is not supposed to use a Group 49 battery. The 
>>> Group
>>> 49 did fit, however, so that's what I got. I would guess that the 
>>> battery
>>> tray is sized for a diesel engine.
>>>
>>>
>>> Craig
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes/GMC 5-Speed Diesel Army 6x6 Cargo Truck w Winch - $2950 (Cornwall)

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Fmiser  wrote:
>> Mercedes/GMC 5-Speed Diesel Army 6x6 Cargo Truck w Winch
> But _which_ engine???  Enquiring minds want to know!  And it
> really could use more than 5 speeds in the transmission.
> Maybe a _pair_ of 5 speeds. *grin* Twin stick shifting is a
> trick.

I like the idea, but I had the same reaction.  I'm quite sure a
deuce-and-a-half originally had a more interesting transmission than
just a 5-speed.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] 14" tire recommendations

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Fmiser  wrote:
>> Thanks guys.  Just browsing the reviews it seems like people
>> like the HPs much better than the RTs---consistent complaints
>> of the latter being noisy and squirrely at high speed.
>
> Hmm.  I don't often drive faster than 75 mph (120 km/h), but I
> haven't ever noticed mine being squirrelly.  And I guess noisy
> is a very subjective term.  The engine, wind, turbo, and
> passengers are a lot louder than my tires. *smiles*
>
> But then my experience is a sample of one...
>

FWIW, the only reviewer of the Altimax RTs in Tire Rack's database
with a Mercedes has a '77 300D and likes them fine.  I would link
directly if I could.  (Is that you, Philip?)

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] 14" tire recommendations

[Fmiser]

> >  wrote:
> >
> > I don't know about elsewhere, but Tirerack doesn't sell the
> > H-rated Altimax HP in a tall enough 14" size. You'd want
> > 185/70 or 195/70.

> > On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Mitch Haley
> >
> > Kaleb has used the T-rated Altimax RT, which is available in
> > 195/70-14. It looks like the Pirelli P4 Four Seasons is the
> > customer survey preferred item in the all season touring
> > tire class, but it costs more.

> Alex Chamberlain wrote:
> 
> Thanks guys.  Just browsing the reviews it seems like people
> like the HPs much better than the RTs---consistent complaints
> of the latter being noisy and squirrely at high speed.

Hmm.  I don't often drive faster than 75 mph (120 km/h), but I
haven't ever noticed mine being squirrelly.  And I guess noisy
is a very subjective term.  The engine, wind, turbo, and
passengers are a lot louder than my tires. *smiles*

But then my experience is a sample of one...

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] 14" tire recommendations

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I put a set on a 190D once, I have the Altimax HP on my 92 300SD right 
now, that is what I am using if the price is right on them.


On 8/22/2011 2:44 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

Alex Chamberlain wrote:

I know 14" tire choices are pretty limited these days.  What are good,
reasonably-priced all-seasons for a 123 or 126 with bundts---ideally
some that might handle occasional snow and slush with a few bags of
cat litter in the trunk?  Mitch, are your favorite Generals available
in the right size?  (I can't remember the model name...)



I don't know about elsewhere, but Tirerack doesn't sell the H-rated 
Altimax HP in a tall enough 14" size. You'd want 185/70 or 195/70.


Kaleb has used the T-rated Altimax RT, which is available in 
195/70-14. It looks like the Pirelli P4 Four Seasons is the customer 
survey preferred item in the all season touring tire class, but it 
costs more.


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Re: [MBZ] Citation

[Randy Bennell]

I also suggest it is not a fair comparison as I suspect that Mercedes 
generally get better care than GM products that are considered to be 
throw away items.
However, I also think that the newere north american vehicles do stand 
up better than the older ones did. My 10 year old F150 has 150K miles on 
it now and shows no real signs of aging so far. I do not know much about 
its early life as it had 90K miles on it when I bought it. I have been 
reasonably good to it but I don't know how well the original owner 
treated it.


Randy

On 22/08/2011 8:54 AM, Donald Snook wrote:

Peter wrote: "I've heard that GM finally learned not to make cars form junkyard
parts, but I'll believe it when I see one 25 years old with 300,000
miles on it working well with minimal mechanicing, like my Benz."

I had just under 300,000 miles on my 1984 Oldsmobile Delta 88 when I sold it in 
1999.  So, that's 15 years.  I suspect, if you wait until 2013, you will find 
1988 model Oldsmobiles, Pontiacs, Chevy's, and Buicks that have 300,000 miles, 
are 25 years old and work well.  1988 was a watershed year for GM because of 
the 3800 engine.  GM cars begin to improve dramatically starting in 1988 and 
continuing through the 1990's.

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Re: [MBZ] 14" tire recommendations

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
> Alex Chamberlain wrote:
>
>> Thanks guys.  Just browsing the reviews it seems like people like the
>> HPs much better than the RTs---consistent complaints of the latter
>> being noisy and squirrely at high speed.  Google Shopping search, if
>> it's to be trusted, doesn't turn up a 185/70 or 195/70 HP anywhere,
>> though.  What to do?
>
> Buy a W124, or some 15" wheels?

Heh.  The non-starting mouse-gnawed '87 300D has Blizzaks in the
winter and Dunlop D60 M2s (my all-time favorite tires) in spring
through fall.  Not sure what I'll do when the Dunlops wear out.  Maybe
Generals then!

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] 14" tire recommendations

[Mitch Haley]

Alex Chamberlain wrote:


Thanks guys.  Just browsing the reviews it seems like people like the
HPs much better than the RTs---consistent complaints of the latter
being noisy and squirrely at high speed.  Google Shopping search, if
it's to be trusted, doesn't turn up a 185/70 or 195/70 HP anywhere,
though.  What to do?


Buy a W124, or some 15" wheels?

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Re: [MBZ] Calling Snook's Father - was lubromoly oil (was: OM617

[Max Dillon]

More likely he was visiting his grandson, you just happened to be there too... 
;)

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Donald Snook  wrote:

Max wrote: "Didn't Donald say that his newly retired father (or father-in-law) 
was really keen on web research? Of course as a new Grandfather he's got more 
important things to do, like spoil his new grandson..."

Coincidentally, my father was in Wichita this weekend visiting us (and his new 
grandson). He has actually taken up guitar lessons and coin-collecting as a 
hobby.

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[MBZ] W126 door locks

[Hans Neureiter]

Last week I installed a new battery and since than the pump for the central
locking system does not come on. When I had a vac. leak and the pump "timed"
out, I reset it by momentarily disconnecting the #13 fuse.
Does not work this time.

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Re: [MBZ] 14" tire recommendations

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 1:58 PM, John Reames  wrote:
> The pirelli's suck on wet pavement.

That's been my (limited) experience with Pirellis, too, apart from the
Blizzaz-style studless winter tires.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] 14" tire recommendations

[John Reames]

The pirelli's suck on wet pavement.

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On Aug 22, 2011, at 15:44, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Alex Chamberlain wrote:
>> I know 14" tire choices are pretty limited these days.  What are good,
>> reasonably-priced all-seasons for a 123 or 126 with bundts---ideally
>> some that might handle occasional snow and slush with a few bags of
>> cat litter in the trunk?  Mitch, are your favorite Generals available
>> in the right size?  (I can't remember the model name...)
> 
> 
> I don't know about elsewhere, but Tirerack doesn't sell the H-rated Altimax 
> HP in a tall enough 14" size. You'd want 185/70 or 195/70.
> 
> Kaleb has used the T-rated Altimax RT, which is available in 195/70-14. It 
> looks like the Pirelli P4 Four Seasons is the customer survey preferred item 
> in the all season touring tire class, but it costs more.
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Re: [MBZ] 14" tire recommendations

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
> I don't know about elsewhere, but Tirerack doesn't sell the H-rated Altimax
> HP in a tall enough 14" size. You'd want 185/70 or 195/70.
>
> Kaleb has used the T-rated Altimax RT, which is available in 195/70-14. It
> looks like the Pirelli P4 Four Seasons is the customer survey preferred item
> in the all season touring tire class, but it costs more.

Thanks guys.  Just browsing the reviews it seems like people like the
HPs much better than the RTs---consistent complaints of the latter
being noisy and squirrely at high speed.  Google Shopping search, if
it's to be trusted, doesn't turn up a 185/70 or 195/70 HP anywhere,
though.  What to do?

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] OT My truck

[Rich Thomas]

Well I need to get it sorted out as I might have to make a run for it in 
a coupla days, and go get a load of OSB for the windows and doors.


--R

On 8/22/11 10:54 AM, Donald Snook wrote:

Rich wrote: "Uh, yeah, it was built and bought in 96.  It has this thing at the back of the engine that 
has a little spinny thing in it that points at these little metal things on this plastic doohickey that fits 
on top of the bit that holds the spinny thingie that has a bunch of wires sticking out of it.  The boxes they 
came in said "rotor" and "cap."  I was actually surprised at this arrangement, thought it 
was all electronic in there, but there you go.  Yer basic 350 (or 305 in this case) setup."

HA!  Well, Rich, I have no doubt you know how to identify a cap and rotor.  I 
guess this just shows my ignorance.  I didn't know that GM still had a truck 
engine with Cap and Rotor as late as 96.  My mistake.

Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes/GMC 5-Speed Diesel Army 6x6 Cargo Truck w Winch - $2950 (Cornwall)

[Fmiser]

> Fred Moir wrote:

> Keep on Trukkin'
~~~
> Mercedes/GMC 5-Speed Diesel Army 6x6 Cargo Truck w Winch

> This is a low-mileage GMC Army "deuce and a half" 6x6 truck,
> professionally converted to a Mercedes 6-cylinder diesel
> truck engine and 5-speed manual transmission. It is
> currently fitted with a large cargo bed and conveyor belt
> for spreading manure, mulch, etc., although it has never
> been used in this configuration.  It also comes equipped
> with a heavy-duty front PTO winch. You'd look a long time to
> find another setup like this.

But _which_ engine???  Enquiring minds want to know!  And it
really could use more than 5 speeds in the transmission.
Maybe a _pair_ of 5 speeds. *grin* Twin stick shifting is a
trick.

Not that it will matter.  It's too far away and I don't really
need it.  Besides, I'd rather have a Mog.

And I'd need to bring along a step ladder so the kids could get
firewood into the bed.

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] 14" tire recommendations

[Mitch Haley]

Alex Chamberlain wrote:

I know 14" tire choices are pretty limited these days.  What are good,
reasonably-priced all-seasons for a 123 or 126 with bundts---ideally
some that might handle occasional snow and slush with a few bags of
cat litter in the trunk?  Mitch, are your favorite Generals available
in the right size?  (I can't remember the model name...)



I don't know about elsewhere, but Tirerack doesn't sell the H-rated Altimax HP 
in a tall enough 14" size. You'd want 185/70 or 195/70.


Kaleb has used the T-rated Altimax RT, which is available in 195/70-14. It looks 
like the Pirelli P4 Four Seasons is the customer survey preferred item in the 
all season touring tire class, but it costs more.


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Re: [MBZ] 14" tire recommendations

[Fmiser]

> Alex Chamberlain wrote:

> I know 14" tire choices are pretty limited these days.  What
> are good, reasonably-priced all-seasons for a 123 or 126 with
> bundts---ideally some that might handle occasional snow and
> slush with a few bags of cat litter in the trunk?  Mitch, are
> your favorite Generals available in the right size?  (I can't
> remember the model name...)

Based on Mitch's looking, I bought a set of General Altimax RT
P205/70 for a wagon.  I picked those partly because it's one of
the very few available (last year) with a extra-load rating.

I like them. 

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Cimmaron

[WILTON]

All of 'em look "dated" mighty fast - typically GM, etc.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Penoff" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cimmaron


I have to say that on initial impression I did not care for the Cadillac 
STS, as I thought it was too angular. After looking at them for a while, 
however, I have decided I like them.


I wonder how they are as far as reliability and operating cost?

Dan

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 22, 2011, at 2:48 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:


On 22/08/2011 9:09 AM, Donald Snook wrote:

MAO wrote:  "I think any caddy is the equal chevy in drag.
I don't like modern cars - they all are in drag."

Actually, there have been very few collaborations between Chevy and 
Cadillac.  They both made some disastrous cars all on their own. The 
Cimarron was, of course, and exception.   But, most of the cross 
division models were between Buick, Pontiac, Olds, and Chevy.  Cadillac 
tried to stay above the other lines.


By the way, the newer Cadillacs are actually amazing cars.  Cadillac is 
really turning out some serious sports cars.


Donald H. Snook
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I think that the early Seville was based, perhaps loosely, upon the Nova.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Early 126 water in trunk

[WILTON]

He probably means rear windshield.

Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Early 126 water in trunk



On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 9:41 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:

A major source of trunk water can be the taillight seals.
Or windshield, or trunk seal, or dirt in trunk seal, or the
filler neck seal or filler pocket drain hose.


I can see all of those except the windshield---how's it get all the
way back there?

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Cimmaron

[Dan Penoff]

I have to say that on initial impression I did not care for the Cadillac STS, 
as I thought it was too angular. After looking at them for a while, however, I 
have decided I like them.

I wonder how they are as far as reliability and operating cost?

Dan

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 22, 2011, at 2:48 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> On 22/08/2011 9:09 AM, Donald Snook wrote:
>> MAO wrote:  "I think any caddy is the equal chevy in drag.
>> I don't like modern cars - they all are in drag."
>> 
>> Actually, there have been very few collaborations between Chevy and 
>> Cadillac.  They both made some disastrous cars all on their own. The 
>> Cimarron was, of course, and exception.   But, most of the cross division 
>> models were between Buick, Pontiac, Olds, and Chevy.  Cadillac tried to stay 
>> above the other lines.
>> 
>> By the way, the newer Cadillacs are actually amazing cars.  Cadillac is 
>> really turning out some serious sports cars.
>> 
>> Donald H. Snook
>> ___
>> 
> I think that the early Seville was based, perhaps loosely, upon the Nova.
> 
> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 300TDT 1987 Mercedes Wagon Diesel - $700 (Northfield, VT)

[andrew strasfogel]

It's time to move.

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> Dang why are all the good ones up north
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > 1987 Mercedes 300TDT Wagon with 6 cyl turbo diesel engine - Good parts
> car, engine/trans run great. Was running well, but both front suspension
> springs are now broken (broke while parked!), and is not currently drivable.
> Body is in fair shape with some rust. Interior in fair shape. 'Champagne'
> exterior, red interior. 215,221 miles on the odo. Has waste vegetable oil
> fuel system conversion installed (Custom install - not from a kit). Moon
> roof. Have some extra parts as well: oil & fuel filters, glow plugs, AT
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes Benz 1982 300CD Turbo Diesel - $1800 (Waltham, MA)

[andrew strasfogel]

"107 year old man available for dating.  Great condition for his age.  Was
ambulatory as recently as 5 years ago."

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> CD for you?
>
> Fred Moir
> Lynn MA
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>
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>   Mercedes Benz 1982 300CD Turbo Diesel
>
> Date: 2011-08-22, 11:57AM
>
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Re: [MBZ] '07 R320CDI

[Rusty Cullens]

$1370.00


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] '07 R320CDI




Rusty, how much for '07 R320CDI torque converter?  VIN = 4JGCB22E37A043940

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Cimmaron

[Randy Bennell]

On 22/08/2011 9:09 AM, Donald Snook wrote:

MAO wrote:  "I think any caddy is the equal chevy in drag.
I don't like modern cars - they all are in drag."

Actually, there have been very few collaborations between Chevy and Cadillac.  
They both made some disastrous cars all on their own. The Cimarron was, of 
course, and exception.   But, most of the cross division models were between 
Buick, Pontiac, Olds, and Chevy.  Cadillac tried to stay above the other lines.

By the way, the newer Cadillacs are actually amazing cars.  Cadillac is really 
turning out some serious sports cars.

Donald H. Snook
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Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 300TDT 1987 Mercedes Wagon Diesel - $700 (Northfield, VT)

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Dang why are all the good ones up north

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> Fred Moir
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> Date:Mon, 22 Aug 2011 10:33:59 -0700 (PDT)
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>   300TDT 1987 Mercedes Wagon Diesel
> 
> Date: 2011-08-21, 9:37PM
> 
> 1987 Mercedes 300TDT Wagon with 6 cyl turbo diesel engine - Good parts car, 
> engine/trans run great. Was running well, but both front suspension springs 
> are now broken (broke while parked!), and is not currently drivable. Body is 
> in fair shape with some rust. Interior in fair shape. 'Champagne' exterior, 
> red interior. 215,221 miles on the odo. Has waste vegetable oil fuel system 
> conversion installed (Custom install - not from a kit). Moon roof. Have some 
> extra parts as well: oil & fuel filters, glow plugs, AT filter kit, two extra 
> alloy wheels - 6 total (incl. spare), several extra tires. $700.00
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Re: [MBZ] OT Politics

[Scott and Gwen Ritchey]

I no longer send money to political parties, committees, etc. It became
clear to me that this just reinforces the status quo and perpetuates
incumbentitis.


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Politics

Rolf wrote:
> I think we'd be better off removing political/campaign contributions all
> together.

We might suggest to those being elected a year from now that they each
offer up their campaign contributions and their salary to shoulder the
burden being cast upon the plebes.  A small token by congress /
president - but I would imagine there would be quite a stir in the
campaign season...
mao

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[MBZ] Fwd: 300TDT 1987 Mercedes Wagon Diesel - $700 (Northfield, VT)

[Fred Moir]

Attention Welders!

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred



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Date: 2011-08-21, 9:37PM

1987 Mercedes 300TDT Wagon with 6 cyl turbo diesel engine - Good parts 
car, engine/trans run great. Was running well, but both front suspension 
springs are now broken (broke while parked!), and is not currently 
drivable. Body is in fair shape with some rust. Interior in fair shape. 
'Champagne' exterior, red interior. 215,221 miles on the odo. Has waste 
vegetable oil fuel system conversion installed (Custom install - not 
from a kit). Moon roof. Have some extra parts as well: oil & fuel 
filters, glow plugs, AT filter kit, two extra alloy wheels - 6 total 
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[MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes Benz 1982 300CD Turbo Diesel - $1800 (Waltham, MA)

[Fred Moir]

CD for you?

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred



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Date: 2011-08-22, 11:57AM

1982 Mercedes Benz 300CD Turbo Diesel, 120K Miles, Great condition for 
its age (both interior and exterior) !!! Complete with owner's manual.


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[MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes/GMC 5-Speed Diesel Army 6x6 Cargo Truck w Winch - $2950 (Cornwall)

[Fred Moir]

Keep on Trukkin'

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred



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   Mercedes/GMC 5-Speed Diesel Army 6x6 Cargo Truck w Winch

Date: 2011-08-22, 8:35AM

This is a low-mileage GMC Army "deuce and a half" 6x6 truck, 
professionally converted
to a Mercedes 6-cylinder diesel truck engine and 5-speed manual 
transmission. It is
currently fitted with a large cargo bed and conveyor belt for spreading 
manure, mulch,
etc., although it has never been used in this configuration. It also 
comes equipped with a
heavy-duty front PTO winch. You'd look a long time to find another setup 
like this. If you
want a great, rust-free vehicle that will go anywhere and carry a big 
load of firewood, etc.,

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Re: [MBZ] Citation

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 10:48 AM, andrew strasfogel
 wrote:
> At Mecum Auction in Monterey a red 1957 Cadillac Biarritz convertible sold
> for way over $100K.  It was basically a restored museum piece.

So in 2041 a restored '87 Cimmaron will be worth $100,000 adjusted for
inflation?

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Citation

[andrew strasfogel]

At Mecum Auction in Monterey a red 1957 Cadillac Biarritz convertible sold
for way over $100K.  It was basically a restored museum piece.

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Donald Snook  wrote:

> I wrote: "That was the Cimarron. It was not based on the J Body Cavalier -
> not the Citation."
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT My truck

[Rich Thomas]

Good idea.  I'll have to peruse the HF ads see if i can find a tester cheap.

--R

On 8/22/11 12:34 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:
I would think that a compression test or leak down test would identify 
any issues with valves leaking or head gaskets leaking. That would be 
easier than pulling of ac and valve covers to check the adjustment.


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[MBZ] 14" tire recommendations

[Alex Chamberlain]

I know 14" tire choices are pretty limited these days.  What are good,
reasonably-priced all-seasons for a 123 or 126 with bundts---ideally
some that might handle occasional snow and slush with a few bags of
cat litter in the trunk?  Mitch, are your favorite Generals available
in the right size?  (I can't remember the model name...)

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Early 126 water in trunk

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 9:41 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> A major source of trunk water can be the taillight seals.
> Or windshield, or trunk seal, or dirt in trunk seal, or the
> filler neck seal or filler pocket drain hose.

I can see all of those except the windshield---how's it get all the
way back there?

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Bundts and sitting on bump stops - 6.3?

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Rusty Cullens  wrote:
> $175.00 each for the rear and $75.00 each for the front. There are 4 of
> each.

HA HA HA!

I made my own for the 500SEL out of pine and zip ties.  I can't see
the greater shock absorption of rubber making any difference if all
you're going to do is drive the car onto and off of ramps, or even
move it around your property a bit to work on it here and there.  I
don't know anything about the 6.3, but on the Hydramat-equipped cars
you jam the blocks between the body next to the shock tower and the
nearest control arm, not exactly fragile parts of the car.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] OT My truck

[Randy Bennell]

I would think that a compression test or leak down test would identify 
any issues with valves leaking or head gaskets leaking. That would be 
easier than pulling of ac and valve covers to check the adjustment.


Randy

On 20/08/2011 11:44 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
Thanks, I was thinking to check the valves on that cylinder, but that 
means taking off the AC stuff, etc. to get the valve cover off, no 
fun.  Maybe worth it before spending the $$ on the tool. I'll give the 
spray a test, though I put on a new set of intake gaskets and torqued 
everything correctly.


Here is the method that the manual says I need to do.  It seems to be 
a common issue that does require a real time code scan tool.


   I am thinking that the reading you are seeing isn't cam retard
   but actual distributor timing that the ecu is trying to attain.

   Below is the text from GM Service manual for 1997 Chevrolet C
   Pickup 5.0L, 5.7L, and 7.4L
   According to this you don't set the timing but the timing offset.
   You need a "Scan Tool" that plugs into the truck and can read
   the data from the trucks computer.
   Besides from that, it looks like a normal timing procedure.

   Setting Timing
   Camshaft Retard Offset Test
   The ignition timing cannot be adjusted. The distributor may need
   adjusting to prevent crossfire. To insure proper alignment of
   the distributor, perform the following:

   With the ignition OFF, install a scan tool to the DLC.
   Start the engine and bring to normal operating temperature.

   Important
   Cam Retard Offset reading will not be accurate below 1000 RPM

   Increase engine speed to 1000 RPM.
   Monitor the Cam Retard Offset.
   If the Cam Retard indicates a value of 0° ± 2°, the distributor
   is properly adjusted.
   If the Cam Retard does not indicate 0° ± 2°, the distributor
   must be adjusted.
   Adjusting Camshaft Retard Offset

   With the engine OFF, slightly loosen the distributor hold down
   bolt.
   Important: Cam Retard Offset reading will not be accurate below
   1000 RPM

   Start the engine and raise engine speed to 1000 RPM.
   Using a scan tool monitor Cam Retard Offset.
   Rotate the distributor as follows:
   To compensate for a negative reading, rotate the distributor in
   the counterclockwise direction.
   To compensate for a positive reading, rotate the distributor in
   the clockwise direction.
   Repeat step 4 until 0° ±2° is obtained.
   Turn the ignition OFF.
   Tighten the distributor hold-down bolt to 3N.m(25 lb. ft.).
   Start the engine, raise engine speed to 1000 RPM and recheck
   Camshaft Retard Offset.

--R

On 8/20/11 12:32 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:
Most likely a fuel or ignition problem, although it could be a tight 
valve leaking all the cmpression out.


Not familiar with that engine, but those are the most likely.

Also possible you have a bad intake gasket at that cylinder, so it's 
sucking air.  Easy check -- spray some carb or brake parts cleaner 
over the area lightly while it's running.  If the miss goes away and 
it speeds up, you have an air leak.


Peter




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Re: [MBZ] Bundts and sitting on bump stops - 6.3?

[Rusty Cullens]

$175.00 each for the rear and $75.00 each for the front. There are 4 of 
each.



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Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bundts and sitting on bump stops - 6.3?



Rusty Cullens wrote:

These things only cost a grand, what is the big deal?


A grand for four, or a grand each?
All that I saw in your earlier post was a dollar sign.

Didn't every W109 and hydro suspension W116 come with a set free?

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Re: [MBZ] Bundts and sitting on bump stops - 6.3?

[Dan Penoff]

W111 and 112 chassis that had air bags came with them, too. My 1962 300SE had a 
set in the tool kit.

Dan

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On Aug 22, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Rusty Cullens wrote:
>> These things only cost a grand, what is the big deal?
> 
> A grand for four, or a grand each?
> All that I saw in your earlier post was a dollar sign.
> 
> Didn't every W109 and hydro suspension W116 come with a set free?
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Re: [MBZ] Bundts and sitting on bump stops - 6.3?

[Mitch Haley]

Rusty Cullens wrote:

These things only cost a grand, what is the big deal?


A grand for four, or a grand each?
All that I saw in your earlier post was a dollar sign.

Didn't every W109 and hydro suspension W116 come with a set free?

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Re: [MBZ] Bundts and sitting on bump stops - 6.3?

[Rusty Cullens]

These things only cost a grand, what is the big deal?


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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bundts and sitting on bump stops - 6.3?



Wood blocks, with a couple of layers of rubber from an old tire.

On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 08:22 -0700, "Jim Cathey"  
wrote:

> But the hard rubber inserts would be more gentle if you hauled the car
> on a trailer.

Never seen 'em, but I'm talking about reproducing them in scrap
wood, rather than something even cruder involving wood.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Bundts and sitting on bump stops - 6.3?

[Allan Streib]

Wood blocks, with a couple of layers of rubber from an old tire.

On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 08:22 -0700, "Jim Cathey"  wrote:
> > But the hard rubber inserts would be more gentle if you hauled the car 
> > on a trailer.
> 
> Never seen 'em, but I'm talking about reproducing them in scrap
> wood, rather than something even cruder involving wood.
> 
> -- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] Bundts and sitting on bump stops - 6.3?

[Jim Cathey]

But the hard rubber inserts would be more gentle if you hauled the car 
on a trailer.


Never seen 'em, but I'm talking about reproducing them in scrap
wood, rather than something even cruder involving wood.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OT My truck

[Donald Snook]

Rich wrote: "Uh, yeah, it was built and bought in 96.  It has this thing at the 
back of the engine that has a little spinny thing in it that points at these 
little metal things on this plastic doohickey that fits on top of the bit that 
holds the spinny thingie that has a bunch of wires sticking out of it.  The 
boxes they came in said "rotor" and "cap."  I was actually surprised at this 
arrangement, thought it was all electronic in there, but there you go.  Yer 
basic 350 (or 305 in this case) setup."

HA!  Well, Rich, I have no doubt you know how to identify a cap and rotor.  I 
guess this just shows my ignorance.  I didn't know that GM still had a truck 
engine with Cap and Rotor as late as 96.  My mistake.

Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] Citation

[Donald Snook]

I wrote: "That was the Cimarron. It was not based on the J Body Cavalier - not 
the Citation."

I meant it WAS based on the J body which is a Cavalier not the citation.


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Re: [MBZ] Bundts and sitting on bump stops - 6.3?

[Mitch Haley]

Jim Cathey wrote:
There are rubber buffers that were designed to be used when 
transporting those cars. They are part #'s 112 583 00 84 & 100 583 00 
84. $ each. If those were in place the wheels wouldn't look like they do.


I bet some nice blocks of wood would do in a pinch!


But the hard rubber inserts would be more gentle if you hauled the car on a 
trailer.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Bundts and sitting on bump stops - 6.3?

[Jim Cathey]

There are rubber buffers that were designed to be used when 
transporting those cars. They are part #'s 112 583 00 84 & 100 583 00 
84. $ each. If those were in place the wheels wouldn't look like they 
do.


I bet some nice blocks of wood would do in a pinch!

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] the 300SD laundry list begins

[Jim Cathey]

Wouldn't a leak bleed down to zero though?


Not necessarily in the early stages.  A slight tear can close up
at some pressures/positions.  When they get worse it's a full-time
leak.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Bundts and sitting on bump stops - 6.3?

[Jim Cathey]

the rear wheels are shoved farther into the body of the car than I've 
ever seen before.


I had one that looked like that when the differential was out.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Bundts and sitting on bump stops - 6.3?

[Rusty Cullens]

There are rubber buffers that were designed to be used when transporting 
those cars. They are part #'s 112 583 00 84 & 100 583 00 84. $ each. If 
those were in place the wheels wouldn't look like they do.



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Michael Canfield wrote:
Notice that the trailer has low spots for the wheels to set into.  It 
does
sit low but not as low as the trailer it appears to have lived on for 
years
makes it look.  Almost looks like it could be chained down still, that 
can't

be good for the springs.


The front wheels may be in depressions, but it does not look like the rear 
wheels are. More importantly, the rear wheels are shoved farther into the 
body of the car than I've ever seen before.


Zoom into this picture and tell me what you see:
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Re: [MBZ] the 300SD laundry list begins

[Allan Streib]

On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 07:19 -0700, "Jim Cathey"  wrote:
> > tested the line that runs to the injection pump (shut-off, I guess) and
> > it would hold 10" of vacuum and then it sounded like a regulator was
> > releasing anything above that.  In other words I could pump it down to
> > 10" and then I would hear a bit of a wheezing sound on subsequent pumps
> > and it maintained about 10" of vacuum on that line.
> 
> Leaking.

Wouldn't a leak bleed down to zero though?

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Cimmaron

[Rich Thomas]

That XLR (which I don't think they sell anymore?) is basically a 
Corvette with a zoomie body style.


--R

On 8/22/11 10:09 AM, Donald Snook wrote:

MAO wrote:  "I think any caddy is the equal chevy in drag.
I don't like modern cars - they all are in drag."

Actually, there have been very few collaborations between Chevy and Cadillac.  
They both made some disastrous cars all on their own. The Cimarron was, of 
course, and exception.   But, most of the cross division models were between 
Buick, Pontiac, Olds, and Chevy.  Cadillac tried to stay above the other lines.

By the way, the newer Cadillacs are actually amazing cars.  Cadillac is really 
turning out some serious sports cars.

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Re: [MBZ] the 300SD laundry list begins

[Jim Cathey]

tested the line that runs to the injection pump (shut-off, I guess) and
it would hold 10" of vacuum and then it sounded like a regulator was
releasing anything above that.  In other words I could pump it down to
10" and then I would hear a bit of a wheezing sound on subsequent pumps
and it maintained about 10" of vacuum on that line.


Leaking.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Bundts and sitting on bump stops - 6.3?

[Mitch Haley]

Michael Canfield wrote:

Notice that the trailer has low spots for the wheels to set into.  It does
sit low but not as low as the trailer it appears to have lived on for years
makes it look.  Almost looks like it could be chained down still, that can't
be good for the springs.


The front wheels may be in depressions, but it does not look like the rear 
wheels are. More importantly, the rear wheels are shoved farther into the body 
of the car than I've ever seen before.


Zoom into this picture and tell me what you see:
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Re: [MBZ] OT My truck

[Rich Thomas]

Uh, yeah, it was built and bought in 96.  It has this thing at the back 
of the engine that has a little spinny thing in it that points at these 
little metal things on this plastic doohickey that fits on top of the 
bit that holds the spinny thingie that has a bunch of wires sticking out 
of it.  The boxes they came in said "rotor" and "cap."  I was actually 
surprised at this arrangement, thought it was all electronic in there, 
but there you go.  Yer basic 350 (or 305 in this case) setup.


--R

On 8/22/11 9:59 AM, Donald Snook wrote:

Hey Rich, are you sure it's a 1996?  Im not aware of a 96 with a cap and rotor. 
Maybe '86?


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Re: [MBZ] Cimmaron

[Donald Snook]

MAO wrote:  "I think any caddy is the equal chevy in drag.
I don't like modern cars - they all are in drag."

Actually, there have been very few collaborations between Chevy and Cadillac.  
They both made some disastrous cars all on their own. The Cimarron was, of 
course, and exception.   But, most of the cross division models were between 
Buick, Pontiac, Olds, and Chevy.  Cadillac tried to stay above the other lines.

By the way, the newer Cadillacs are actually amazing cars.  Cadillac is really 
turning out some serious sports cars.

Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] Citation

[Donald Snook]

Wilton wrote: "Was Citation the "cheap" little Cadillac?  If not, what was that 
POS called,
other than POS, that is?"

That was the Cimarron. It was not based on the J Body Cavalier - not the 
Citation.

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Re: [MBZ] OT My truck

[Donald Snook]

Rich Thomas wrote: "A few weeks ago I replaced the head gasket on my 96 Chebbie 
turck (5L
v8) as it was barfing coolant out the back of the head.  While generally
a PITA job it went OK and I was careful to take notes, read/follow the
Chiltons and some other stuff I found on the tubernets.  Got it all back
together, valves set, etc. and fired it up (knowing the timing might be
off) and got a "Misfire cylinder 7" OBDII error.  I replaced the plugs,
rotor, cap, and have it pretty close to where it ought to be on the
timing without using an OBD monitor ($$).  Twiddled with the timing a
bit but still getting the code at various tweaks on the distributor, and
it is clearly missing on that cylinder.  This thing has a cap/rotor but
some sort of electronic ignition, and fuel injection."

Hey Rich, are you sure it's a 1996?  Im not aware of a 96 with a cap and rotor. 
Maybe '86?


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Re: [MBZ] Citation

[Donald Snook]

Peter wrote: "I've heard that GM finally learned not to make cars form junkyard
parts, but I'll believe it when I see one 25 years old with 300,000
miles on it working well with minimal mechanicing, like my Benz."

I had just under 300,000 miles on my 1984 Oldsmobile Delta 88 when I sold it in 
1999.  So, that's 15 years.  I suspect, if you wait until 2013, you will find 
1988 model Oldsmobiles, Pontiacs, Chevy's, and Buicks that have 300,000 miles, 
are 25 years old and work well.  1988 was a watershed year for GM because of 
the 3800 engine.  GM cars begin to improve dramatically starting in 1988 and 
continuing through the 1990's.

Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] Citation

[Peter Hertzing]

Yes - the best description comes form Lee Iaccoca SP?, in his auto
biography.  he says (give or take its from memory) One day the marketing
guys a Cadillac realized the average age of their customer was between 75
and deceased so they ordered enough leather and gold trip to turn a caviler
into a Cadillac.  And walla, you had the cimmeron.

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> Cimmeron, it was just a J car (sunbird, cavalier)
>
> On 8/20/2011 2:52 PM, WILTON wrote:
>
>> Was Citation the "cheap" little Cadillac?  If not, what was that POS
>> called, other than POS, that is?
>>
>> Wilton
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Peter Frederick" <
>> psf...@earthlink.net>
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation
>>
>>
>> The only thing really wrong with those cars was the GM tendency to  make
>>> junk parts and cheat on everything.  The sheetmetat was crap,  the plastic
>>> parts weren't made right (and the managers at the  production plants lied
>>> about it) quality control was about par with a  Soviet factory, etc.
>>>
>>> The design wasn't too bad, they got decent milage, and if not made  from
>>> trash they'd have been decent cars for 1980.
>>>
>>> I've heard that GM finally learned not to make cars form junkyard  parts,
>>> but I'll believe it when I see one 25 years old with 300,000  miles on it
>>> working well with minimal mechanicing, like my Benz.
>>>
>>> Peter
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Re: [MBZ] Bundts and sitting on bump stops - 6.3?

[Michael Canfield]

Notice that the trailer has low spots for the wheels to set into.  It does
sit low but not as low as the trailer it appears to have lived on for years
makes it look.  Almost looks like it could be chained down still, that can't
be good for the springs.

Mike
Who wishes he could afford enough trailers to store my spare cars
on.
On Aug 21, 2011 1:34 PM, "Mitch Haley"  wrote:
> Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
>> Probably just a 4.5.
>
> W109 version, I assume. Either that or scrap metal thieves got the
springs.
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] the 300SD laundry list begins

[Mitch Haley]

Allan Streib wrote:
As far as I can tell, the pump has a main line running directly to the brake booster, and a smaller line for other accessories.  This is a bit different than on my W123 where the accessories are connected to tees in the main booster line.  


I plugged the smaller line and plugged the MityVac into the end of the brake 
booster line.  Revving the engine I could get a few inches of vacuum but that 
was it.


A properly functioning 116 pump has a one way valve connecting the two halves of 
the pump. The brake booster side can draw vacuum from the accessory side, but if 
the check valve is working the accessory side cannot draw vacuum from the brake 
side. MBZ considers the brake booster to be the important function here.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] the 300SD laundry list begins

[Rich Thomas]

You need to rebuild the vac pump, fairly easy job.  Order the rebuild 
kit from Rusty and budget a couple hours to do it.  It's a bit fiddly 
getting the screws out and back in, but not a particularly hard job.


--R

On 8/22/11 9:17 AM, Allan Streib wrote:

As far as I can tell, the pump has a main line running directly to the brake 
booster, and a smaller line for other accessories.  This is a bit different 
than on my W123 where the accessories are connected to tees in the main booster 
line.

I plugged the smaller line and plugged the MityVac into the end of the brake 
booster line.  Revving the engine I could get a few inches of vacuum but that 
was it.

Allan


On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 21:18 -0500, "Benz Hogs"  wrote:

Were you checking ONLY the vacuum pump or was the rest of the system
still in play?  If you did NOT plug off the system, don't condemn the
pump yet, double check for other leaks.


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Re: [MBZ] Calling Snook's Father - was lubromoly oil (was: OM617

[Donald Snook]

Max wrote: "Didn't Donald say that his newly retired father (or father-in-law) 
was really keen on web research? Of course as a new Grandfather he's got more 
important things to do, like spoil his new grandson..."

Coincidentally, my father was in Wichita this weekend visiting us (and his new 
grandson).  He has actually taken up guitar lessons and coin-collecting as a 
hobby.

Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] the 300SD laundry list begins

[Allan Streib]

On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 09:17 -0400, "Allan Streib"  wrote:

> As far as I can tell, the pump has a main line running directly to the
> brake booster, and a smaller line for other accessories.  This is a
> bit different than on my W123 where the accessories are connected to
> tees in the main booster line.
>
> I plugged the smaller line and plugged the MityVac into the end of the
> brake booster line.  Revving the engine I could get a few inches of
> vacuum but that was it.

To follow up, I did verify that the brake booster holds vacuum.  I
tested the line that runs to the injection pump (shut-off, I guess) and
it would hold 10" of vacuum and then it sounded like a regulator was
releasing anything above that.  In other words I could pump it down to
10" and then I would hear a bit of a wheezing sound on subsequent pumps
and it maintained about 10" of vacuum on that line.

I did try pumping down the rest of the accessory circuits, with no
success.  I don't know how big the reservoir is and whether I just
didn't try long enough (hands were getting tired) but suspect that there
are probably other leaks in the doors locks or ACC.

Allan
--
1983 300D
1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] the 300SD laundry list begins

[Allan Streib]

As far as I can tell, the pump has a main line running directly to the brake 
booster, and a smaller line for other accessories.  This is a bit different 
than on my W123 where the accessories are connected to tees in the main booster 
line.  

I plugged the smaller line and plugged the MityVac into the end of the brake 
booster line.  Revving the engine I could get a few inches of vacuum but that 
was it.

Allan


On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 21:18 -0500, "Benz Hogs"  wrote:
> Were you checking ONLY the vacuum pump or was the rest of the system 
> still in play?  If you did NOT plug off the system, don't condemn the 
> pump yet, double check for other leaks.
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Citation

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Cimmeron, it was just a J car (sunbird, cavalier)

On 8/20/2011 2:52 PM, WILTON wrote:
Was Citation the "cheap" little Cadillac?  If not, what was that POS 
called, other than POS, that is?


Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Peter Frederick" 


To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation


The only thing really wrong with those cars was the GM tendency to  
make junk parts and cheat on everything.  The sheetmetat was crap,  
the plastic parts weren't made right (and the managers at the  
production plants lied about it) quality control was about par with 
a  Soviet factory, etc.


The design wasn't too bad, they got decent milage, and if not made  
from trash they'd have been decent cars for 1980.


I've heard that GM finally learned not to make cars form junkyard  
parts, but I'll believe it when I see one 25 years old with 300,000  
miles on it working well with minimal mechanicing, like my Benz.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] LubroMoly follow-up

[Rolf]

Mostly snake oil. 99% diesel/petroleum/benzene. Running a tank of b100 
will have similar effects.


Nothing beats pulling injectors and having them cleaned at a Bosch shop.

-Rolf

On 08/19/2011 09:06 PM, Hendrik & Fay wrote:

Speaking of luby Moly, anyone use their Diesel purge/clean/flush product?

Hendrik

Allan Streib wrote:

Ran all over town today buying fluids for my 300SD.  Autozone was the
first stop, they had the M1 ATF but not the Zerex G-05.  Stopped at
Wal-Mart next, they used to have Zerex but no more, it's all Prestone
"Any Color" now.  One day I'll learn not to bother with Wal-Mart any
more.  I did pick up a Motorcraft oil filter for my wife's Focus.

Went to NAPA and got the G-05.  Noted that they don't carry M1 ATF.

While at NAPA I looked at the Lubro-Moly 5w-40, which I posted about a
few days ago.  It is a "full synthetic" (though in the US that term is a
bit nebulous) that meets the 229.1 and 229.3 specs according to the
label.  $35 for a 5 liter jug, not bad.  I will probably use that next
time in my diesels.

Allan



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Re: [MBZ] Not yellow anymore

[Dwight Giles Jr.]

Is that what would be called a grey market 300GD?
Dwight 

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD 220K miles
1990 300D 2.5t 196K miles
Wickford RI


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Subject: [MBZ] Not yellow anymore

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/08/19/burned-out.html

Hendrik
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[MBZ] Not yellow anymore

[Hendrik & Fay]

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/08/19/burned-out.html

Hendrik
who has a fire extinguisher or two

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