Re: [MBZ] Gerry still thinking about SLKs?

[Gerry Archer]

Thanks, Mitch.  Still thinking about SLKs but something came up that's 
taking my time.
That does look like it might be a good buy.  If I were closer I'd sure check 
it out.

Gerry
-
From: "Mitch Haley" 


http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/cto/2850915022.html



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[MBZ] Internet shutdown for some?

[Gerry Archer]

FWIW: The following was posted on another list by a British member.
Gerry
---
A disturbing Ministry of Trade report circulating in the Kremlin today is 
raising serious concerns over the United States plan to shut down 
significant parts of the Internet on 8 March in a move many Russian experts 
warn could be a prelude to massive attacks.


The feds received a court order in November, 2011 to replace
"rogue" servers with surrogate servers to operate "just long enough for 
companies and home users to remove DNSChanger malware from their 
machines."


Rod Rasmussen, president of Internet security company Internet ID, stated 
that there are still millions of PCs infected with DNSChanger. "At this 
rate, a lot of users are going to see their Internet break on March 8."



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Re: [MBZ] airplane footage

[Jim Cathey]

All this aeronautical stuff and nobody can spell chord. Makes one 
wonder.


And just recently on a music-oriented list somebody was going
on and on about microphone chords...

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] airplane footage

[Dieselhead]

He's "In Search of the Lost Chord..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytfX4al_1qE


Ohhh snap.. I've been "wogered". ;)

Grant...

On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:30 PM,  wrote:


 All this aeronautical stuff and nobody can spell chord. Makes one wonder.


 > RLE, acid trippin again
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[MBZ] OT: iDVD is taking FOREVER!

[Michael Canfield]

  I am attempting to make a dvd.  I have a Powerbook g4 and an LG ge24
external drive as the internal is shot in the mac.  I am using Magic iDVD
and it is taking forever.  I set it all up and pressed the burn button 10
1/2 hours ago and it says it still has over 8 hours to go.  It is probably
right at the max capacity for the dvd and I expected it to take some time
but wow!
  Is this what I should expect from the equipment I have?  Any suggestions
to make it go faster?  I am making these dvd's for Toni as she has been
commissioned to make a collection of videos and pics on dvd for the High
School Cheer team.  I will be weeks making them at this rate.  Once I have
one done would it be faster to use a copy program of some sort to make the
rest?  We can't afford to upgrade to a faster computer now and no matter
how slow the mac goes I refuse to attempt this on my PC desktop.
  Any tips, tricks, comments or criticisms are welcome.

Thanks, Mike
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Re: [MBZ] OT: more furnace talk

[Allan Streib]

That Goodman furnace Mitch linked a week or two ago was not much more
than what the repair cost on this Bryant.  Next time I'm going to have
to think about just replacing.  It's sad in a way when a major appliance
like a furnace is almost a disposable item.


On Fri, Feb 17, 2012, at 01:09 AM, Allan Streib wrote:
> Final verdict... board melted beyond repair.  Basically burned through
> at the relay.  Motors are fine, so the relay must have gone south.
>
> The damage: new board, $387 + tax, plus diagnostic and installation
> labor... $600 total.  Ouch, who says fancy high-efficiency furnaces
> save you money???  It'll take a long time for the gas bill savings to
> pay for that.
>
> Allan

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Re: [MBZ] '85 300TD rough idle and serious smoking upon cold startup

[Michael Canfield]

I would bet money on a bad head gasket between 4 and 5.  Repeat your test a
few times, cold and hot just for comparison.  If the numbers continue to
match between the two the gasket is likely at fault.

Mike
On Feb 16, 2012 6:28 PM, "glenn brown"  wrote:

>
> I've posted a query about this previously but didn't obtain much to look
> for regarding my '85 300TD rough idle and serious smoking (white) upon cold
> startup.  After ~ 2 min. warmup, the idle smooths out and the smoking
> ceases.  Note: the car does not burn any oil, nor does it lose any coolant
> and the glow plugs and circuit are all OK.  I took the car to a M-B indy in
> town and they suggested possibly low compression, so I had them do a
> compression check on a cold engine and they obtained the following
> compression check numbers:
> #1 Cyl. 430 psi
> #2   “445  “
> #3   “430  “
> #4   “320  “
> #5   “320  “
>
> This shop said the M-B spec for the maximum pressure deviation between
> cylinders should be no more than 43.51 psi and they question either
> sticking oil rings in #4 & #5 or misadjusted valves.  Since I do my own
> valve adjustments on both my '84 300D and my '85 300TD, I'm convinced the
> last valve adjustment (<1000 mi. ago) is OK and the rough idle and serious
> smoking issue was present when my brother owned the car, but it's easy
> enough to check the valve clearances which I plan on doing tomorrow.  Also
> note, for those who may not remember, at the suggestion of possibly the
> best M-B mechanic in the Pbgh. area, I replaced the valve stem seals on the
> 300TD in summer 2011.
> Any suggestions?
>
> G. M. Brown
> Brevard, NC
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Re: [MBZ] OT: more furnace talk

[Rich Thomas]

You might want to call around to some other repair people, they often 
have boards they have pulled from old units that are still functional, 
as when someone upgrades or whatever.  Any foreclosure houses in your 
neighborhood?


--R

On 2/17/12 10:27 AM, Allan Streib wrote:

That Goodman furnace Mitch linked a week or two ago was not much more
than what the repair cost on this Bryant.  Next time I'm going to have
to think about just replacing.  It's sad in a way when a major appliance
like a furnace is almost a disposable item.


On Fri, Feb 17, 2012, at 01:09 AM, Allan Streib wrote:

Final verdict... board melted beyond repair.  Basically burned through
at the relay.  Motors are fine, so the relay must have gone south.

The damage: new board, $387 + tax, plus diagnostic and installation
labor... $600 total.  Ouch, who says fancy high-efficiency furnaces
save you money???  It'll take a long time for the gas bill savings to
pay for that.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT: iDVD is taking FOREVER!

[Rich Thomas]

There are some other DVD burner programs that might work better, lots of 
free ones you could download and try.  google "mac dvd burn program"


--R

On 2/17/12 10:24 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:

   I am attempting to make a dvd.  I have a Powerbook g4 and an LG ge24
external drive as the internal is shot in the mac.  I am using Magic iDVD
and it is taking forever.  I set it all up and pressed the burn button 10
1/2 hours ago and it says it still has over 8 hours to go.  It is probably
right at the max capacity for the dvd and I expected it to take some time
but wow!
   Is this what I should expect from the equipment I have?  Any suggestions
to make it go faster?  I am making these dvd's for Toni as she has been
commissioned to make a collection of videos and pics on dvd for the High
School Cheer team.  I will be weeks making them at this rate.  Once I have
one done would it be faster to use a copy program of some sort to make the
rest?  We can't afford to upgrade to a faster computer now and no matter
how slow the mac goes I refuse to attempt this on my PC desktop.
   Any tips, tricks, comments or criticisms are welcome.

Thanks, Mike
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Re: [MBZ] OT: iDVD is taking FOREVER!

[Michael Canfield]

  I did do some "googling" and from what I read iDVD is supposed to work as
well or better than what I can find for free.  Not saying I know this for
fact.  Just what I gathered so far.  I think I am just asking a lot out of
an old, small computer and it is just going to be slow but I would like to
hear that from someone who has tried it.

Thanks, Mike
On Feb 17, 2012 10:49 AM, "Rich Thomas" <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> There are some other DVD burner programs that might work better, lots of
> free ones you could download and try.  google "mac dvd burn program"
>
> --R
>
> On 2/17/12 10:24 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:
>
>>   I am attempting to make a dvd.  I have a Powerbook g4 and an LG ge24
>> external drive as the internal is shot in the mac.  I am using Magic iDVD
>> and it is taking forever.  I set it all up and pressed the burn button 10
>> 1/2 hours ago and it says it still has over 8 hours to go.  It is probably
>> right at the max capacity for the dvd and I expected it to take some time
>> but wow!
>>   Is this what I should expect from the equipment I have?  Any suggestions
>> to make it go faster?  I am making these dvd's for Toni as she has been
>> commissioned to make a collection of videos and pics on dvd for the High
>> School Cheer team.  I will be weeks making them at this rate.  Once I have
>> one done would it be faster to use a copy program of some sort to make the
>> rest?  We can't afford to upgrade to a faster computer now and no matter
>> how slow the mac goes I refuse to attempt this on my PC desktop.
>>   Any tips, tricks, comments or criticisms are welcome.
>>
>> Thanks, Mike
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[MBZ] 91 mercedes 350SD w/140k miles - $7500 (west ashley)

[Rich Thomas]

http://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/2841809820.html

No pics

--R

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Re: [MBZ] OT: iDVD is taking FOREVER!

[Jim Cathey]

  I am attempting to make a dvd.  I have a Powerbook g4 and an LG ge24
external drive as the internal is shot in the mac.


How is the drive connected?  That may be a significant bottleneck.
Our G4 will make a DVD in about an hour IIRC, I think its (internal)
drive can only burn at 1x.  This is just a ripped copy of a commercial
DVD, for example, not authoring anything.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OT: iDVD is taking FOREVER!

[Alex Chamberlain]

> Our G4 will make a DVD in about an hour IIRC, I think its (internal)
> drive can only burn at 1x.  This is just a ripped copy of a commercial
> DVD, for example, not authoring anything.
>

It's the authoring with attendant compression that makes it slow. Think
ripping MP3s from CDs, only much worse.  Michael's observations are about
in line with what I've seen on my G4, unfortunately.

Alex
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[MBZ] buying iPods on eBay

[Benz Hogs]

Snagged a 6th Gen 80gb video iPod for $35 (shipping incl) earlier this 
week.  It was listed as "for parts only" since it showed the red sad 
face and wouldn't boot.  Before buying, I've been researching repairing 
iPod classics and found 
http://www.ifixit.com/Wiki/iPod_Classic_Troubleshooting and then this 
procedure http://www.ifixit.com/Answers/View/4486/Red+x+in+circle  A few 
bangs against my hand on the bottom/top/sides did the trick and the iPod 
booted up fine.  I'm currently watching The Hangover with no issues at 
all.  Gotta love a cheap buy and free fix!


MB content? The Hangover contains a GORGEOUS grey 1969 280SE.
--
Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'87 300SDL (322,xxx mi)
'91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi)

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Re: [MBZ] OT: more furnace talk

[Allan Streib]

Sadly this was a rather specialty board, a dual speed, dual output board
for the high-end furnace that my parents were talked into buying when
they replaced their original, but still working 30 year old furnace back
in 2006 or so.

My HVAC guy said there are some aftermarket generic controllers that are
often usable but not on this particular model.


On Fri, Feb 17, 2012, at 10:45 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
> You might want to call around to some other repair people, they often
> have boards they have pulled from old units that are still functional,
> as when someone upgrades or whatever.  Any foreclosure houses in your
> neighborhood?
>
> --R
>

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Re: [MBZ] airplane footage

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Re: [MBZ] OT: iDVD is taking FOREVER!

[Michael Canfield]

Jim,
  The drive is connected via usb.  It has not even started writing to the
disc yet so I don't know if that will limit the speed or not yet.

Mike
On Feb 17, 2012 10:58 AM, "Jim Cathey"  wrote:

>  I am attempting to make a dvd.  I have a Powerbook g4 and an LG ge24
>> external drive as the internal is shot in the mac.
>>
>
> How is the drive connected?  That may be a significant bottleneck.
> Our G4 will make a DVD in about an hour IIRC, I think its (internal)
> drive can only burn at 1x.  This is just a ripped copy of a commercial
> DVD, for example, not authoring anything.
>
> -- Jim
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: iDVD is taking FOREVER!

[Michael Canfield]

Alex,
  I think you are right on with what is slowing me down.  Not even writing
to the disc yet.

Mike
On Feb 17, 2012 11:27 AM, "Alex Chamberlain" 
wrote:

> > Our G4 will make a DVD in about an hour IIRC, I think its (internal)
> > drive can only burn at 1x.  This is just a ripped copy of a commercial
> > DVD, for example, not authoring anything.
> >
>
> It's the authoring with attendant compression that makes it slow. Think
> ripping MP3s from CDs, only much worse.  Michael's observations are about
> in line with what I've seen on my G4, unfortunately.
>
> Alex
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Re: [MBZ] OT: more furnace talk

[Scott Ritchey]

Gee!  In the old 80% efficiency days you had one overtemp sensor (that
turned off the flame) and one hot sensor (that turned on the fan) and a
thermostat (that turned on the solenoid for the flame), plus a couple relays
and a transformer.  My, how far we've come.  Kinda déjà vu for a new MBZ vs
my 82 300SD.

Scott

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: more furnace talk

Sadly this was a rather specialty board, a dual speed, dual output board
for the high-end furnace that my parents were talked into buying when
they replaced their original, but still working 30 year old furnace back
in 2006 or so.

My HVAC guy said there are some aftermarket generic controllers that are
often usable but not on this particular model.


On Fri, Feb 17, 2012, at 10:45 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
> You might want to call around to some other repair people, they often
> have boards they have pulled from old units that are still functional,
> as when someone upgrades or whatever.  Any foreclosure houses in your
> neighborhood?
>
> --R
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT: iDVD is taking FOREVER!

[Dan Penoff]

Not familiar with MagicDVD or whatever it is, but it sounds like there is some 
compression or transcoding going on that is probably slowing things down. Add 
to that an external USB drive and you have a formula for some sluggish 
performance.

Dan

On Feb 17, 2012, at 10:24 AM, Michael Canfield  wrote:

>  I am attempting to make a dvd.  I have a Powerbook g4 and an LG ge24
> external drive as the internal is shot in the mac.  I am using Magic iDVD
> and it is taking forever.  I set it all up and pressed the burn button 10
> 1/2 hours ago and it says it still has over 8 hours to go.  It is probably
> right at the max capacity for the dvd and I expected it to take some time
> but wow!
>  Is this what I should expect from the equipment I have?  Any suggestions
> to make it go faster?  I am making these dvd's for Toni as she has been
> commissioned to make a collection of videos and pics on dvd for the High
> School Cheer team.  I will be weeks making them at this rate.  Once I have
> one done would it be faster to use a copy program of some sort to make the
> rest?  We can't afford to upgrade to a faster computer now and no matter
> how slow the mac goes I refuse to attempt this on my PC desktop.
>  Any tips, tricks, comments or criticisms are welcome.
> 
> Thanks, Mike
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Re: [MBZ] OT: more furnace talk

[Randy Bennell]

On 17/02/2012 11:18 AM, Allan Streib wrote:

Sadly this was a rather specialty board, a dual speed, dual output board
for the high-end furnace that my parents were talked into buying when
they replaced their original, but still working 30 year old furnace back
in 2006 or so.

My HVAC guy said there are some aftermarket generic controllers that are
often usable but not on this particular model.


On Fri, Feb 17, 2012, at 10:45 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:

You might want to call around to some other repair people, they often
have boards they have pulled from old units that are still functional,
as when someone upgrades or whatever.  Any foreclosure houses in your
neighborhood?

--R




Was this board more than one layer of circuitry like computer motherboards?
If not, it was likely fixable in some manner.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT: more furnace talk

[Randy Bennell]

On 17/02/2012 12:43 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:

Gee!  In the old 80% efficiency days you had one overtemp sensor (that
turned off the flame) and one hot sensor (that turned on the fan) and a
thermostat (that turned on the solenoid for the flame), plus a couple relays
and a transformer.  My, how far we've come.  Kinda déjà vu for a new MBZ vs
my 82 300SD.

Scott



My furnace would predate that. We have a pilot light so not ignitor etc.
I have been told by more than one "expert" that I should keep it as long 
as I can.
Unless NG prices start climbing, it probably makes sense to leave it 
alone as long as I can.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT: iDVD is taking FOREVER!

[Jim Cathey]

A G4 CPU is really quite capable, but not if the software
was written, sloppily one might say, for a _much_ faster
CPU.  See it all the time.  Done it myself.

You optimize your SW until it runs 'fast enough' on your
test system.  Then ship it.  Nothing to do with how fast
it is potentially capable of doing the job.

The index-maker for my web site was a shell script I wrote
a few years ago, it scans *.html and makes an index .html
file.  Not real fast, but fast enough.  Took just a hair
under a minute to make the two index files on this 233 MHz
G3.  Lotsa seds, greps, and awks.  I knew it stunk when I
wrote it, but it wasn't for public consumption.

I finally got sick of it and re-did it in C.  Takes just
a hair over a second to do the same job.  I believe it actually
took less time to write it in C than it did to write (and
debug!) it as a shell script.

Typical of C vs script, though, the script showed early
promise very quickly, but debugging and tuning it took
forever.  The C program did NOTHING until it was almost
finished, but fell into shape quite quickly.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OT: iDVD is taking FOREVER!

[Mitch Haley]

Alex Chamberlain wrote:


It's the authoring with attendant compression that makes it slow. Think
ripping MP3s from CDs, only much worse.  Michael's observations are about
in line with what I've seen on my G4, unfortunately.


And I thought my old slow PC was bad for taking about 1.2 minutes for every 
minute of DVD, or close to three hours for a full 2 1/2 hour DVD, when using MS 
Windows DVD Maker.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: more furnace talk

[Mitch Haley]

Allan Streib wrote:

That Goodman furnace Mitch linked a week or two ago was not much more
than what the repair cost on this Bryant.  Next time I'm going to have
to think about just replacing.  It's sad in a way when a major appliance
like a furnace is almost a disposable item.


Speaking of which, my furnace (goodman's smallest/cheapest 95% unit) hit the 
terminal today at 8am, so rather than wait for them to deliver it Monday, I just 
drove 60 miles to fetch it. I just looked at the seller's web site, and it's 
gone up from $835 to $886 since I bought it Sunday.

http://www.acwholesalers.com/Goodman_gas_furnaces_lp_natural_gas_furnace_p/11147.htm

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[MBZ] OT speaking of electronics

[Rich Thomas]

Last night I retired my 15yo Sony receiver (at least for a little while) 
as it does not decode DTS sound, which Blu-ray discs all seem to 
contain.  Found a newer similar Sony rcvr from a local guy for $75, 
seems to work OK except it won't see my AppleTV optical sound output, 
which the other one was doing OK.  I still need to work on that.  The 
retired unit has basically been running continuously, with occasional 
short breaks, for the 15 yr since I got it, and could still shake the 
walls with the 28yo (or is it 29?) Advents and 15yo Boston Acoustic back 
channels.


At least some stuff seems to last.

--R

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Re: [MBZ] OT: more furnace talk

[Scott Ritchey]

Pilot lights can use a lot of gas but if the furnace is inside heated space
and you shut the pilot off in the summer it's not that big a deal:  it's
heat and it's going where you need it. 

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Randy Bennell
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 2:24 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: more furnace talk

On 17/02/2012 12:43 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:
> Gee!  In the old 80% efficiency days you had one overtemp sensor (that
> turned off the flame) and one hot sensor (that turned on the fan) and a
> thermostat (that turned on the solenoid for the flame), plus a couple
relays
> and a transformer.  My, how far we've come.  Kinda déjà vu for a new MBZ
vs
> my 82 300SD.
>
> Scott
>
>
My furnace would predate that. We have a pilot light so not ignitor etc.
I have been told by more than one "expert" that I should keep it as long 
as I can.
Unless NG prices start climbing, it probably makes sense to leave it 
alone as long as I can.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] who wants a W124 Sportline?

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Feb 16, 2012 9:26 PM, "Mitch Haley"  wrote:
>
> http://nwct.craigslist.org/cto/2806261245.html
>

Aargh, wrong coast!

Not my favorite color, but I do love 124 coupes and the Sportline goodies
would make up for it.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] who wants a W124 Sportline?

[Mitch Haley]

Alex Chamberlain wrote:

On Feb 16, 2012 9:26 PM, "Mitch Haley"  wrote:

http://nwct.craigslist.org/cto/2806261245.html



Aargh, wrong coast!


Expedia.com?

That's what I'll do if I decide I want a 4matic out of Rhode Island.

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Re: [MBZ] who wants a W124 Sportline?

[WILTON]

So what makes it "sport?"
BTW, ads are much easier and quicker to understand and less annoying if they 
include a bit of appropriate punctuation.  :<)


Wilton

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From: "Alex Chamberlain" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] who wants a W124 Sportline?



On Feb 16, 2012 9:26 PM, "Mitch Haley"  wrote:


http://nwct.craigslist.org/cto/2806261245.html



Aargh, wrong coast!

Not my favorite color, but I do love 124 coupes and the Sportline goodies
would make up for it.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] OT: more furnace talk

[Randy Bennell]

But . one of the reasons that our furnace has lasted as long as it 
has without rusting is that the pilot light keeps the heat exchanger 
warm and dry througout the summer. We also run a dehumidifier in the 
basement most of the time in the summer to keep things down there dry. I 
don't like it when my tools turn brown.


Randy

On 17/02/2012 2:42 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:

Pilot lights can use a lot of gas but if the furnace is inside heated space
and you shut the pilot off in the summer it's not that big a deal:  it's
heat and it's going where you need it.

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Randy Bennell
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 2:24 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: more furnace talk

On 17/02/2012 12:43 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:

Gee!  In the old 80% efficiency days you had one overtemp sensor (that
turned off the flame) and one hot sensor (that turned on the fan) and a
thermostat (that turned on the solenoid for the flame), plus a couple

relays

and a transformer.  My, how far we've come.  Kinda déjà vu for a new MBZ

vs

my 82 300SD.

Scott



My furnace would predate that. We have a pilot light so not ignitor etc.
I have been told by more than one "expert" that I should keep it as long
as I can.
Unless NG prices start climbing, it probably makes sense to leave it
alone as long as I can.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Low Oil Pressure

[clay monroe]

410 pass is closed, you will have to do 12 or 90.

It is a just drive it.  Bushings and fluid would be simple.  I have three 
clusters on the shelf, some other parts I pulled at PnP years ago.  Not going 
to six million $$$ man the car, but can do some fix.

Chrome is old, the whole car is old, and not been loved the way a garage queen 
would have been.  I could find pnp parts with enough time.  No hard top, so no 
defog issue.  Fans work and buttons work on ACC. No indication that AC works, 
but at least it does not blow blazing hot air all the time.

Seats are not shot.  Could use sheepskins.  Carpets are old and really could 
use replacement.  Old horse hair smell and musty carpet.  There is rust in the 
hollows of the rear shelf.  Not too deep.  Enough metal there to save with 
POR-15, then paint.  Floor has small rust spots that would be fine with sand 
and paint.


clay 

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1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
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On Feb 16, 2012, at 6:40 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

>> The real issues are the transmission having an over-broad neutral.
> 
> Nylon bushings?
> 
>> Checked cold ATF and it was over full.  After the test drive, with engine 
>> running, stick was dry.
> 
> Normal, for low fluid.  Needs more ATF.
> 
>> Oil pressure indicator does not peg.  Light off, got pressure close to 3 bar.
> 
> Sender/gauge can also lie, should be checked.
> 
>> What am I missing?
> 
> $2300?  Don't forget the other SL vulnerabilities.
> Rust, primarily.  ATF and shifter bushings is nothing,
> if that's it.  ACC/Cruise may be broken.  How are the
> sunvisors?  Surprisingly expensive, and the sun eats
> them.  Chromed plastic trim pieces on seats?  Upholstery?
> Rear window defroster may be failing, the hairline wires
> in the glass fail easily.
> 
> This car is down in the "just drive it" class, rather than
> a garage queen.
> 
> We'll probably be driving past that car tomorrow, we're on
> our way to Crystal Mtn.  Gotta go around through Enumscratch.
> 
> -- Jim
> 
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Re: [MBZ] who wants a W124 Sportline?

[E M]

Don't quote me on this Wilton, but a guy had a new one years ago when I was
in the local Benz club.  As I remember, it had different shocks and
springs, rode a bit lower, more aggressive bolstering on the seats, and I
think a different head (24 valve ?).  Rims were different too.  I didn't
look that closely at it, as there were usually other "things" distracting
me when we all got together, like that silver Gullwing! ;-)  I remember it
being quite expensive at the time$73,000 or something in that range.

Ed
300E

On 17 February 2012 16:33, WILTON  wrote:

> So what makes it "sport?"
> BTW, ads are much easier and quicker to understand and less annoying if
> they include a bit of appropriate punctuation.  :<)
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Alex Chamberlain" <
> apchamberl...@gmail.com>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 3:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] who wants a W124 Sportline?
>
>
>  On Feb 16, 2012 9:26 PM, "Mitch Haley"  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> http://nwct.craigslist.org/**cto/2806261245.html
>>>
>>>
>> Aargh, wrong coast!
>>
>> Not my favorite color, but I do love 124 coupes and the Sportline goodies
>> would make up for it.
>>
>> Alex
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Re: [MBZ] who wants a W124 Sportline?

[Alex Chamberlain]

 wrote:
>
> So what makes it "sport?"

Sportline was a factory option on 124s and 201s ( at least).  Stiffer
suspension, quicker steering ratio, different interior with rear bucket
seats and (I think) bigger bolsters on the front seats.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: more furnace talk

[Dan Penoff]

I would challenge this statement.

My natural gas consumption cost-wise was under $25/month in summer with an 80 
gallon (yes, that's 80) water heater that had a pilot.

So that's both the gas for the pilot as well as what it took to heat the water.

Dan

On Feb 17, 2012, at 3:42 PM, "Scott Ritchey"  wrote:

> Pilot lights can use a lot of gas but if the furnace is inside heated space
> and you shut the pilot off in the summer it's not that big a deal:  it's
> heat and it's going where you need it. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of Randy Bennell
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 2:24 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: more furnace talk
> 
> On 17/02/2012 12:43 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:
>> Gee!  In the old 80% efficiency days you had one overtemp sensor (that
>> turned off the flame) and one hot sensor (that turned on the fan) and a
>> thermostat (that turned on the solenoid for the flame), plus a couple
> relays
>> and a transformer.  My, how far we've come.  Kinda déjà vu for a new MBZ
> vs
>> my 82 300SD.
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
>> 
> My furnace would predate that. We have a pilot light so not ignitor etc.
> I have been told by more than one "expert" that I should keep it as long 
> as I can.
> Unless NG prices start climbing, it probably makes sense to leave it 
> alone as long as I can.
> 
> Randy
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[MBZ] OT: iDVD is taking FOREVER!

[Curt Raymond]

Probably normal, thats a REALLY old computer. The big question is what the 
input format to iDVD is, if its not already mpeg2 at the same datarate as you 
are wanting on DVD its compressing the video and that is whats slowing your 
computer.

The G5 was a big deal when it came out because it was so much more powerful 
than the G4 and made things like this so much faster.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:24:41 -0500
From: Michael Canfield 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: [MBZ] OT: iDVD is taking FOREVER!
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

  I am attempting to make a dvd.  I have a Powerbook g4 and an LG ge24
external drive as the internal is shot in the mac.  I am using Magic iDVD
and it is taking forever.  I set it all up and pressed the burn button 10
1/2 hours ago and it says it still has over 8 hours to go.  It is probably
right at the max capacity for the dvd and I expected it to take some time
but wow!
  Is this what I should expect from the equipment I have?  Any suggestions
to make it go faster?  I am making these dvd's for Toni as she has been
commissioned to make a collection of videos and pics on dvd for the High
School Cheer team.  I will be weeks making them at this rate.  Once I have
one done would it be faster to use a copy program of some sort to make the
rest?  We can't afford to upgrade to a faster computer now and no matter
how slow the mac goes I refuse to attempt this on my PC desktop.
  Any tips, tricks, comments or criticisms are welcome.

Thanks, Mike

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Re: [MBZ] OT: iDVD is taking FOREVER!

[clay monroe]

Burn it to the HD as an ISO and then burn to DVD?




On Feb 17, 2012, at 7:24 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:

>  I am attempting to make a dvd.  I have a Powerbook g4 and an LG ge24
> external drive as the internal is shot in the mac.  I am using Magic iDVD
> and it is taking forever.  I set it all up and pressed the burn button 10
> 1/2 hours ago and it says it still has over 8 hours to go.  It is probably
> right at the max capacity for the dvd and I expected it to take some time
> but wow!
>  Is this what I should expect from the equipment I have?  Any suggestions
> to make it go faster?  I am making these dvd's for Toni as she has been
> commissioned to make a collection of videos and pics on dvd for the High
> School Cheer team.  I will be weeks making them at this rate.  Once I have
> one done would it be faster to use a copy program of some sort to make the
> rest?  We can't afford to upgrade to a faster computer now and no matter
> how slow the mac goes I refuse to attempt this on my PC desktop.
>  Any tips, tricks, comments or criticisms are welcome.
> 
> Thanks, Mike
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Re: [MBZ] Slow burn

[RELNGSON]

> ...The drive is connected via usb.  It has not even started writing to 
> the
> disc yet so I don't know if that will limit the speed or not yet...
> 
USB or USB2? Makes a huge difference. No Firewire?

RLE
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: iDVD is taking FOREVER!

[Peter Frederick]

Get DragonBurn.

Also verfiy that the drive is working correctly, I've had any number  
of LG drives spit the bits on me without notice, leading to exactly  
your problem.


You should also do a permissions repair -- if file pernissions are  
goofed up, all sorts of weird things happen.


Peter

On Feb 17, 2012, at 12:14 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:


Jim,
  The drive is connected via usb.  It has not even started writing  
to the

disc yet so I don't know if that will limit the speed or not yet.

Mike
On Feb 17, 2012 10:58 AM, "Jim Cathey"  wrote:


 I am attempting to make a dvd.  I have a Powerbook g4 and an LG ge24

external drive as the internal is shot in the mac.



How is the drive connected?  That may be a significant bottleneck.
Our G4 will make a DVD in about an hour IIRC, I think its (internal)
drive can only burn at 1x.  This is just a ripped copy of a  
commercial

DVD, for example, not authoring anything.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] who wants a W124 Sportline?

[WILTON]

$73k?!!  Cough, cough, gag, pant, cough, cough!!  'Think I'd want something 
a little "sporty" for $73k worth of sport.  'Course, I guess I've never been 
much of a sport, anyway, but that's OK.  I'll just keep driving my plain old 
126 and 124 with closed sunroofs - sunroofs that I was forced to take and 
pay for but never use.  "Forced to take," you may ask - 'had to take 'em to 
get the cars, of course.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "E M" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] who wants a W124 Sportline?


Don't quote me on this Wilton, but a guy had a new one years ago when I 
was

in the local Benz club.  As I remember, it had different shocks and
springs, rode a bit lower, more aggressive bolstering on the seats, and I
think a different head (24 valve ?).  Rims were different too.  I didn't
look that closely at it, as there were usually other "things" distracting
me when we all got together, like that silver Gullwing! ;-)  I remember it
being quite expensive at the time$73,000 or something in that range.

Ed
300E

On 17 February 2012 16:33, WILTON  wrote:


So what makes it "sport?"
BTW, ads are much easier and quicker to understand and less annoying if
they include a bit of appropriate punctuation.  :<)

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Alex Chamberlain" <
apchamberl...@gmail.com>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] who wants a W124 Sportline?


 On Feb 16, 2012 9:26 PM, "Mitch Haley"  wrote:




http://nwct.craigslist.org/**cto/2806261245.html



Aargh, wrong coast!

Not my favorite color, but I do love 124 coupes and the Sportline 
goodies

would make up for it.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] who wants a W124 Sportline?

[WILTON]

A little MORE sporty, that is.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "WILTON" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] who wants a W124 Sportline?


$73k?!!  Cough, cough, gag, pant, cough, cough!!  'Think I'd want 
something a little "sporty" for $73k worth of sport.  'Course, I guess 
I've never been much of a sport, anyway, but that's OK.  I'll just keep 
driving my plain old 126 and 124 with closed sunroofs - sunroofs that I 
was forced to take and pay for but never use.  "Forced to take," you may 
ask - 'had to take 'em to get the cars, of course.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "E M" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] who wants a W124 Sportline?


Don't quote me on this Wilton, but a guy had a new one years ago when I 
was

in the local Benz club.  As I remember, it had different shocks and
springs, rode a bit lower, more aggressive bolstering on the seats, and I
think a different head (24 valve ?).  Rims were different too.  I didn't
look that closely at it, as there were usually other "things" distracting
me when we all got together, like that silver Gullwing! ;-)  I remember 
it

being quite expensive at the time$73,000 or something in that range.

Ed
300E

On 17 February 2012 16:33, WILTON  wrote:


So what makes it "sport?"
BTW, ads are much easier and quicker to understand and less annoying if
they include a bit of appropriate punctuation.  :<)

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Alex Chamberlain" <
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] who wants a W124 Sportline?


 On Feb 16, 2012 9:26 PM, "Mitch Haley"  wrote:




http://nwct.craigslist.org/**cto/2806261245.html



Aargh, wrong coast!

Not my favorite color, but I do love 124 coupes and the Sportline 
goodies

would make up for it.

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Re: [MBZ] '85 300TD rough idle and serious smoking upon coldstartup

[Hans Neureiter]

Last I looked, they all should be close to 1 Amp each.
I may be wrong, but a cracked head gasket or other sources of compression
loss dont clear up when engine temp is up.
Glow P's carbon up like anything else in that motor.
Carbon is a conductor.
But as always, I was wrong before.
(I read the whole post).

On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:07 PM, glenn brown  wrote:

>
> Apparently many on the list don't fully read posts . . . "the glow plugs
> and circuit are all OK."  They all measure 0.5 0.6 ohm using my Fluke 83V
> VOM.
>
> G. M. Brown
> Brevard, NC
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Re: [MBZ] who wants a W124 Sportline?

[E M]

Nice thing about the sportline cars back then, they still followed in that
same spirit of the earlier 6.3, in that they were very subtle, and you kind
of had to know what you were looking for to pick one out.  Unlike a lot of
the current AMG models, that go like stick, but have a good amount of flash
bolted on as well, just to make sure everyone knows you paid extra for
(more likely leased) the "fast" model.  Mercedes can no longer call any of
its hot rod models, Q cars.  Sad in ways, but tacky and vulgar are now
fashionable.

Ed
300E

On 17 February 2012 18:34, WILTON  wrote:

> $73k?!!  Cough, cough, gag, pant, cough, cough!!  'Think I'd want
> something a little "sporty" for $73k worth of sport.  'Course, I guess I've
> never been much of a sport, anyway, but that's OK.  I'll just keep driving
> my plain old 126 and 124 with closed sunroofs - sunroofs that I was forced
> to take and pay for but never use.  "Forced to take," you may ask - 'had to
> take 'em to get the cars, of course.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "E M" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 4:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] who wants a W124 Sportline?
>
>
>  Don't quote me on this Wilton, but a guy had a new one years ago when I
>> was
>> in the local Benz club.  As I remember, it had different shocks and
>> springs, rode a bit lower, more aggressive bolstering on the seats, and I
>> think a different head (24 valve ?).  Rims were different too.  I didn't
>> look that closely at it, as there were usually other "things" distracting
>> me when we all got together, like that silver Gullwing! ;-)  I remember it
>> being quite expensive at the time$73,000 or something in that range.
>>
>> Ed
>> 300E
>>
>> On 17 February 2012 16:33, WILTON  wrote:
>>
>>  So what makes it "sport?"
>>> BTW, ads are much easier and quicker to understand and less annoying if
>>> they include a bit of appropriate punctuation.  :<)
>>>
>>> Wilton
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "Alex Chamberlain" <
>>> apchamberl...@gmail.com>
>>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>>> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 3:46 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] who wants a W124 Sportline?
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Feb 16, 2012 9:26 PM, "Mitch Haley"  wrote:
>>>


> http://nwct.craigslist.org/cto/2806261245.html
> 
> >
>
>
>  Aargh, wrong coast!

 Not my favorite color, but I do love 124 coupes and the Sportline
 goodies
 would make up for it.

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Re: [MBZ] who wants a W124 Sportline?

[Dieselhead]

Sad in ways, but tacky and vulgar are now
fashionable.

Ed
300E



you mean vulgar like this?  http://www.mbusa.com/amg/build/

or tacky like this? 
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w126-s-se-sec-sel-sd/1504914-w126-donk-3.html


Or vulgar and tacky like these?
Something in this is alleged to be a MB SL: 
http://miamiearl.blogspot.com/2011/08/mercedes-benz-sl65-on-22.html


 http://miamiearl.blogspot.com/

Or these:  http://egotvonline.com/2011/07/26/the-20-coolest-pro-athlete-cars/

or more along the lines of this: 
http://www.stuartxchange.org/JeepneyCollection71.html


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[MBZ] Fwd: 1981 mercedes 300td - $1000 (cape)

[Fred Moir]

Not mine, etc.

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred



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Re: [MBZ] who wants a W124 Sportline?

[Rich Thomas]

I want any of the vulgar ones, particularly those ending in "65"

--R

On 2/17/12 9:35 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

Sad in ways, but tacky and vulgar are now
fashionable.

Ed
300E



you mean vulgar like this?  http://www.mbusa.com/amg/build/

or tacky like this? 
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w126-s-se-sec-sel-sd/1504914-w126-donk-3.html


Or vulgar and tacky like these?
Something in this is alleged to be a MB SL: 
http://miamiearl.blogspot.com/2011/08/mercedes-benz-sl65-on-22.html


 http://miamiearl.blogspot.com/

Or these:  
http://egotvonline.com/2011/07/26/the-20-coolest-pro-athlete-cars/


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Re: [MBZ] who wants a W124 Sportline?

[E M]

Yeah, both.

Ed
300E

On 17 February 2012 21:35, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sad in ways, but tacky and vulgar are now
>> fashionable.
>>
>> Ed
>> 300E
>>
>>
> you mean vulgar like this?  
> http://www.mbusa.com/amg/**build/
>
> or tacky like this? http://www.benzworld.org/**
> forums/w126-s-se-sec-sel-sd/**1504914-w126-donk-3.html
>
> Or vulgar and tacky like these?
> Something in this is alleged to be a MB SL: http://miamiearl.blogspot.com/
> **2011/08/mercedes-benz-sl65-on-**22.html
>
>  http://miamiearl.blogspot.com/
>
> Or these:  http://egotvonline.com/2011/**07/26/the-20-coolest-pro-**
> athlete-cars/
>
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> JeepneyCollection71.html
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Re: [MBZ] who wants a W124 Sportline?

[E M]

Me too, just delete the badges, and that silly carbon fibre that is all the
rage for interior trim. What is it with people thinking clear coated carbon
mate is a cool option for interior trim.  If it's such a good look, maybe
they should just stop painting Corvettes and start selling them in plain
fibreglass with clear coat.

I know taste is very much subjective, and no doubt mine has been open to
question at times too.  I love anything with lots of cylinders and power, I
just prefer it packaged in something a bit more elegant and understated.
Then again, I've never been a "hey, look at me kinda guy".  :-)

Ed
300E

On 17 February 2012 23:03, Rich Thomas  wrote:

> I want any of the vulgar ones, particularly those ending in "65"
>
> --R
>
>
> On 2/17/12 9:35 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
>
>> Sad in ways, but tacky and vulgar are now
>>> fashionable.
>>>
>>> Ed
>>> 300E
>>>
>>>
>> you mean vulgar like this?  
>> http://www.mbusa.com/amg/**build/
>>
>> or tacky like this? http://www.benzworld.org/**
>> forums/w126-s-se-sec-sel-sd/**1504914-w126-donk-3.html
>>
>> Or vulgar and tacky like these?
>> Something in this is alleged to be a MB SL:
>> http://miamiearl.blogspot.com/**2011/08/mercedes-benz-sl65-on-**22.html
>>
>>  http://miamiearl.blogspot.com/
>>
>> Or these:  http://egotvonline.com/2011/**07/26/the-20-coolest-pro-**
>> athlete-cars/
>>
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>> JeepneyCollection71.html
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Re: [MBZ] who wants a W124 Sportline?

[Walt Zarnoch]

If GM did it right, a carbon fibre Vette with a proper polish and uv
protectant clearcoat would likely sell quite well. Witness the naked
stainless steel on the DMC-12.

Walt
On Feb 17, 2012 11:39 PM, "E M"  wrote:

> Me too, just delete the badges, and that silly carbon fibre that is all the
> rage for interior trim. What is it with people thinking clear coated carbon
> mate is a cool option for interior trim.  If it's such a good look, maybe
> they should just stop painting Corvettes and start selling them in plain
> fibreglass with clear coat.
>
> I know taste is very much subjective, and no doubt mine has been open to
> question at times too.  I love anything with lots of cylinders and power, I
> just prefer it packaged in something a bit more elegant and understated.
> Then again, I've never been a "hey, look at me kinda guy".  :-)
>
> Ed
> 300E
>
> On 17 February 2012 23:03, Rich Thomas <
> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
> > wrote:
>
> > I want any of the vulgar ones, particularly those ending in "65"
> >
> > --R
> >
> >
> > On 2/17/12 9:35 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
> >
> >> Sad in ways, but tacky and vulgar are now
> >>> fashionable.
> >>>
> >>> Ed
> >>> 300E
> >>>
> >>>
> >> you mean vulgar like this?  http://www.mbusa.com/amg/**build/<
> http://www.mbusa.com/amg/build/>
> >>
> >> or tacky like this? http://www.benzworld.org/**
> >> forums/w126-s-se-sec-sel-sd/**1504914-w126-donk-3.html<
> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w126-s-se-sec-sel-sd/1504914-w126-donk-3.html
> >
> >>
> >> Or vulgar and tacky like these?
> >> Something in this is alleged to be a MB SL:
> >> http://miamiearl.blogspot.com/**2011/08/mercedes-benz-sl65-on-**22.html
> 
> >>
> >>  http://miamiearl.blogspot.com/
> >>
> >> Or these:  http://egotvonline.com/2011/**07/26/the-20-coolest-pro-**
> >> athlete-cars/<
> http://egotvonline.com/2011/07/26/the-20-coolest-pro-athlete-cars/>
> >>
> >> or more along the lines of this: http://www.stuartxchange.org/**
> >> JeepneyCollection71.html<
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