Re: [MBZ] OT: Medical Records: was Light Reading of crash data

[G Mann]

Way back in 2005 I designed and copyrighted a medical file system that had
a patient card which remained with the patient and held the entire patients
medical history from birth [potentially].  The attending Dr. would have
access to the patients medical record and be able to see any previous
treatment or prescribed meds and would make entry on that patients
electronic card for the treatment he provided.  Concurrently, for his own
patient file [and insurance [CYA] ] he could copy what treatment HE/SHE
provided to the patient but could "read only" any other Drs. treatment.

The card would come to the Dr. with the patient and leave with the
patient.. It would be the sole ownership of the patient and thus the sole
responsibility of the patient.  If the person were in an accident and
rushed to ER, and had the med card on them, the emergency treating staff
would have the entire patients history available to them for immediate
reference [perhaps saving lives and certainly saving time in that "golden
hour" window of trauma treatment]. By design, only certified medical
personnel would be able to access the information on the card.

Some parts of the system I devised are now in use, however, as a total
system it has never been implemented.. Major point is, the patient record
stays with the patient and anything that is done with or to the patient
remains his/ her sole and privileged legal property.

I thought the program design had merit when I devised it, still do. There
are other features in the design which speeds up payment to  Drs. from
insurance companies, for example, and does the medical coding now required
as an international standard.

Just a few million short of taking it all to market.  So it goes on the
shelf along with my stuffed DoDo bird.

FWIW...

Grant... AZ

On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 6:52 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> Yes, the privacy issues are real, and I don't think are being taken
> seriously enough. On the other hand, when my father was being treated for
> trigeminal neuralgia (sp?), I took him to six different doctors, due to
> referals. I had to fill out the demographic data, medical history, current
> issues and treament to date six times, and three of the doctors worked in
> the same hospital system. A bit of electronic medical records, shared
> between the doctors with our permission, would certainly have made it a
> better experience, and might have reduced the false-starts in the process.
>
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Mountain Man 
> wrote:
>
> > Grant wrote:
> > > It will come.. just not in my remaining lifetime... likely..
> >
> > Plus, we don't need to go see these information gatherers.  Abe
> > Lincoln didn't have an exposure problem - stay away from the systems
> > and try to accomplish anonymity as much as possible - forget the
> > regulators and their schemes.  Yes, that means voluntarily limiting
> > participation in the 'wonders' of technology today.  Tech ain't all it
> > means to be - it seems more a nemesis than benefit.  Similarly health
> > care seems more a nemesis than benefit.  Keep away from their systems
> > and live like the billions of persons that have lived, then died on
> > the plane to date and we might be better off than "...in the year
> > 2525, if man is still alive"
> > mao
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Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101

[andrew strasfogel]

Hmmm.  I might just try that.

On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:
> Well, obviously, there are no guarantees, but, if it won't hold pressure,
> then it is leaking somewhere. If you cannot see evidence of leakage under
> the hood, then it may be sufficient evidence to cause you to look further
> into it.
>
> One other alternate idea might be to disconnect the heater core and flush it
> out with water to rid it of the anti-freeze and then run for a bit with the
> heater core out of the system and see if the smell disappears. I am not
> familiar with your particular car but if there is a heater hose in and one
> coming out, one should be able to connect the two hoses together under the
> hood and leave the heater core out of the loop.
>
> Randy
>
>
>
> On 24/04/2012 3:44 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
>>
>> One other hint:  The smell is intermittent and seems to get activated
>> when the ACC "clicks" to another mode or function.  Does the ACC
>> switch between outside and recirculating air and if so, when?
>>
>> And does everyone agree that a pressure test of the cooling system
>> would definitively either rule out or implicate a leak in the heater
>> core?
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Riding the solids

[Frederick Moir]

Alles.
There was some mention of teflon patches over some vents that blew off as 
designed after liftoff. (?)
Maybe I'm mis-remembering or mis-conscrewing?

 
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.


>
> From: OK Don 
>To: Mercedes Discussion List  
>Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:53 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Riding the solids
> 
>I wondered if that was foam coming off the external hydrogen tank, or tiles
>---
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Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?

[TE]

UPS destroys their package cars when they are retired from service. First,
the package car is stripped of its badging, decals, etc. Next it is painted
white, crushed to pieces and photographed.

There are still a lot of vehicles in service from the mid 90's and even many
of the new package cars still come equipped with the Spicer 5 speed. The new
automatic transmissions are prevalent on the smaller size package cars (e.g.
P500, P570), but the reason behind them is not to lure drivers who cannot
operate a manual transmission. Every service provider who goes through
driver training at UPS is trained on a specially designed 'training' package
car, equipped with a manual transmission.

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:31 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?

Peter Hertzing wrote:
> nothing makes you feel as good as an old spicer 4 or 5 speed with an 6 
> or
> 8v71 behind you.  When you get it down its like butter.

The only package car I looked under the hood of (1995 vintage) had a Spicer
5 speed and a Cummins 6BT with P7100 inline pump. At the time, about ten
years ago, I really wanted to get my hands on a retired package car like
that. But it seems UPS does not sell its delivery trucks like Frito-Lay
does.

Mitch.



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Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?

[Dieselhead]

"one of these day's I wanna run the wheels right off... a greyhound 
bus..."  I think that is Red Sovine isn't it?


The oldtime truckdriver's lament.  Back when men were men, and the US 
dominated the world.  NO whiny wusses like we have now.




nothing makes you feel as good as an old spicer 4 or 5 speed with an 6 or
8v71 behind you.  When you get it down its like butter.

On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Craig  wrote:


 On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:33:23 -0500 Peter Hertzing 
 wrote:

 > ... they have had to replace trucks with automatic transmissions
 > because they couldn't find drivers who could drive manual tranny's.  I
 > remmeber when the same thing happened to the bus line I was driving
 > for.  Sad day and definitly less quality drivers.

 I recall the fellow who drove the Inglewood City Lines bus I took to and
 from high school. An old diesel with a 4-speed, non-synchro transmission.
 He had to double-clutch every shift and did a very good job of it.


 Craig

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Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?

[Mitch Haley]

Peter Hertzing wrote:

nothing makes you feel as good as an old spicer 4 or 5 speed with an 6 or
8v71 behind you.  When you get it down its like butter.


The only package car I looked under the hood of (1995 vintage) had a Spicer 5 
speed and a Cummins 6BT with P7100 inline pump. At the time, about ten years 
ago, I really wanted to get my hands on a retired package car like that. But it 
seems UPS does not sell its delivery trucks like Frito-Lay does.


Mitch.



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Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?

[Peter Hertzing]

nothing makes you feel as good as an old spicer 4 or 5 speed with an 6 or
8v71 behind you.  When you get it down its like butter.

On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Craig  wrote:

> On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:33:23 -0500 Peter Hertzing 
> wrote:
>
> > ... they have had to replace trucks with automatic transmissions
> > because they couldn't find drivers who could drive manual tranny's.  I
> > remmeber when the same thing happened to the bus line I was driving
> > for.  Sad day and definitly less quality drivers.
>
> I recall the fellow who drove the Inglewood City Lines bus I took to and
> from high school. An old diesel with a 4-speed, non-synchro transmission.
> He had to double-clutch every shift and did a very good job of it.
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Riding the solids

[Mitch Haley]

OK Don wrote:

I wondered if that was foam coming off the external hydrogen tank, or tiles


33 seconds into the vid, you see "These are the tyveck covers coming off, they
protect the forward jets from rain while on the pad".

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Re: [MBZ] Riding the solids

[OK Don]

I wondered if that was foam coming off the external hydrogen tank, or tiles
---

On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 3:36 PM, WILTON  wrote:

> Notice the chunks of ice flying past the wing leading edges immediately
> after liftoff?
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Scott Ritchey" 
> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 3:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Riding the solids
>
>
>
>  Friend at NASA told me these cameras were retrofitted after Challenger.
>> Thinking back, this video technology didn't exist when the Shuttle was
>> designed.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-bounces@**
>> okiebenz.com ]
>> On Behalf Of relng...@aol.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 12:50 AM
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Subject: [MBZ] Riding the solids
>>
>> THIS is impressive.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch_**popup?feature=player_embedded&**
>> v=2aCOyOvOw5c#
>> !
>>
>> Sound up!
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Medical Records: was Light Reading of crash data

[OK Don]

Yes, the privacy issues are real, and I don't think are being taken
seriously enough. On the other hand, when my father was being treated for
trigeminal neuralgia (sp?), I took him to six different doctors, due to
referals. I had to fill out the demographic data, medical history, current
issues and treament to date six times, and three of the doctors worked in
the same hospital system. A bit of electronic medical records, shared
between the doctors with our permission, would certainly have made it a
better experience, and might have reduced the false-starts in the process.

On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Mountain Man  wrote:

> Grant wrote:
> > It will come.. just not in my remaining lifetime... likely..
>
> Plus, we don't need to go see these information gatherers.  Abe
> Lincoln didn't have an exposure problem - stay away from the systems
> and try to accomplish anonymity as much as possible - forget the
> regulators and their schemes.  Yes, that means voluntarily limiting
> participation in the 'wonders' of technology today.  Tech ain't all it
> means to be - it seems more a nemesis than benefit.  Similarly health
> care seems more a nemesis than benefit.  Keep away from their systems
> and live like the billions of persons that have lived, then died on
> the plane to date and we might be better off than "...in the year
> 2525, if man is still alive"
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?

[Craig]

On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:33:23 -0500 Peter Hertzing 
wrote:

> ... they have had to replace trucks with automatic transmissions
> because they couldn't find drivers who could drive manual tranny's.  I
> remmeber when the same thing happened to the bus line I was driving
> for.  Sad day and definitly less quality drivers.

I recall the fellow who drove the Inglewood City Lines bus I took to and
from high school. An old diesel with a 4-speed, non-synchro transmission.
He had to double-clutch every shift and did a very good job of it.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Light Reading of crash data

[Hendrik & Fay]

Just curious which part of your constitution gives you the right to 
drive fast.
Yeah the great land of Oz is going downhill, with the greens being the 
tail that wags the dog.
And we are happy to have the jolly green giants up north but they'll 
have to watch their speed, the NT has lowered the speed limit from flat 
out to 140km/h.


Hendrik
who never drove flat out in the NT, too many critters on the road

On 24/04/12 11:32, Max wrote:

Hendrik&  Fay  wrote:


Why is that a downer? From what I see this will only affect the idiot
drivers who do the wrong thing.
It's like saying that cops don't have the right to breath/drug test you

Hendrik, if other drivers are too incompetent and slow and prevent me from 
fully enjoying my right to drive fast, why the he!! would I want my car to 
provide them data?  I guess that's why you've got a woman running your country 
down the tubes with all that global warming cap-and-trade bull, and why now 
we've got to start stationing the USMC down under to keep the chinee from 
taking all your marbles away from you!




;)



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Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?

[Peter Hertzing]

Big change on teh UPS trucks is auto tranny.  Have a friend who delivers
the to the hubs when new ones arrive and they have had to replace trucks
with automatic transmissions because they couldn't find drivers who could
drive manual tranny's.  I remmeber when the same thing happened to the bus
line I was driving for.  Sad day and definitly less quality drivers.

On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 8:07 PM, TE  wrote:

> LNG has always been a part of the UPS fleet, though in limited quantities
> and only in select areas (e.g. the Pleasantdale GA hub). Typically, the
> size
> of the package car (correct UPS term) dictates whether or not the engine is
> diesel or gas. The larger package cars (P1000, P1200) always have diesel
> engines, whereas the smaller package cars (P500, P570) have gas engines.
>
> I haven't seen a feeder truck with LNG until that picture. Usually we would
> try to incorporate those technologies into vehicles that are more "customer
> facing", so to speak.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of Brian Toscano
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 8:19 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
>
>
> http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/22/u-p-s-finds-a-substitute-for-diese
> l-natural-gas-at-260-degrees-below-zero/
>
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 6:01 PM, TE  wrote:
>
> > UPS has always had both gas and diesel trucks.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
> > [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> > On Behalf Of WILTON
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 7:39 AM
> > To: mercedes list
> > Subject: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
> >
> > #2 son was at UPS warehouse coupla hours ago; new UPS gas driven truck
> > sitting there; son asked them why a new gas-driven truck 'stead of the
> > usual Diesel.  UPS guy told 'im, "Yep, switching to gas driven
> > trucks."
> >
> > BTW, son's '07 R320 CDI has 206 kmi on it now.
> >
> > Wilton
> > '87 300D (126 kmi)
> > '91 350SDL (200.6 kmi)
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Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?

[TE]

LNG has always been a part of the UPS fleet, though in limited quantities
and only in select areas (e.g. the Pleasantdale GA hub). Typically, the size
of the package car (correct UPS term) dictates whether or not the engine is
diesel or gas. The larger package cars (P1000, P1200) always have diesel
engines, whereas the smaller package cars (P500, P570) have gas engines.

I haven't seen a feeder truck with LNG until that picture. Usually we would
try to incorporate those technologies into vehicles that are more "customer
facing", so to speak.

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Brian Toscano
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 8:19 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?

http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/22/u-p-s-finds-a-substitute-for-diese
l-natural-gas-at-260-degrees-below-zero/

On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 6:01 PM, TE  wrote:

> UPS has always had both gas and diesel trucks.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com 
> [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of WILTON
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 7:39 AM
> To: mercedes list
> Subject: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
>
> #2 son was at UPS warehouse coupla hours ago; new UPS gas driven truck 
> sitting there; son asked them why a new gas-driven truck 'stead of the 
> usual Diesel.  UPS guy told 'im, "Yep, switching to gas driven 
> trucks."
>
> BTW, son's '07 R320 CDI has 206 kmi on it now.
>
> Wilton
> '87 300D (126 kmi)
> '91 350SDL (200.6 kmi)
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Re: [MBZ] OT fedora server

[Dieselhead]

No DCs in the existing setup.  Just peer to peer   Good info to know.  Thanks


Also consider using the free VMware Converter to create virtual 
machines for each of the running servers and workstations. You can 
run the free VMware player to boot them up to make sure they are 
working.


I have had issues in the past converting domain controllers. They 
stop working after the built in certificates expire. Not sure if 
that's still an issue. If so install from scratch then promote to a 
DC and move all the roles over manually.


Dave Walton


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Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?

[Brian Toscano]

http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/22/u-p-s-finds-a-substitute-for-diesel-natural-gas-at-260-degrees-below-zero/

On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 6:01 PM, TE  wrote:

> UPS has always had both gas and diesel trucks.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of WILTON
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 7:39 AM
> To: mercedes list
> Subject: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?
>
> #2 son was at UPS warehouse coupla hours ago; new UPS gas driven truck
> sitting there; son asked them why a new gas-driven truck 'stead of the
> usual
> Diesel.  UPS guy told 'im, "Yep, switching to gas driven trucks."
>
> BTW, son's '07 R320 CDI has 206 kmi on it now.
>
> Wilton
> '87 300D (126 kmi)
> '91 350SDL (200.6 kmi)
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Re: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?

[TE]

UPS has always had both gas and diesel trucks.

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of WILTON
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 7:39 AM
To: mercedes list
Subject: [MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?

#2 son was at UPS warehouse coupla hours ago; new UPS gas driven truck
sitting there; son asked them why a new gas-driven truck 'stead of the usual
Diesel.  UPS guy told 'im, "Yep, switching to gas driven trucks."

BTW, son's '07 R320 CDI has 206 kmi on it now.

Wilton
'87 300D (126 kmi)
'91 350SDL (200.6 kmi)
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Re: [MBZ] Re Re: w115 won't start

[Curt Raymond]

My '81 300TD had a bad headgasket and coolant would leak into one of the 
cylinders if the pressure cap was left on overnight. I just drove with it 
loose, we never took that car all that far.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:52:14 -0500
From: Randy Bennell 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Re Re:  w115 won't start
Message-ID: <4f97127e.8080...@bennell.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed


My suggestion on the hydro lock business is maybe partly because I read some 
marine forums and it is somewhat common with inboard outboard engines. The 
water cooled exhaust manifolds rust out and flood the cylinders.
I should think it unlikely on an MB unless the head gasket is gone or the head 
is cracked. One might expect some steam etc to show up.

Randy

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[MBZ] UPS Diesel or gas?

[WILTON]

#2 son was at UPS warehouse coupla hours ago; new UPS gas driven truck sitting 
there; son asked them why a new gas-driven truck 'stead of the usual Diesel.  
UPS guy told 'im, "Yep, switching to gas driven trucks."

BTW, son's '07 R320 CDI has 206 kmi on it now.

Wilton
'87 300D (126 kmi)
'91 350SDL (200.6 kmi)
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Re: [MBZ] Andrew stumps the chumps

[WILTON]

'Zackly.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Andrew stumps the chumps


Those guys don't know sh** about older diesel Benzes.  I have heard them 
answer questions in the past and they were completely wrong.  I posted a 
correct answer on their web site (I think it sent an email or something to 
post in some forum) in the past about something, I think it was either a 
clacking in the rear on a 300D (bad CV joints) or something about a diesel 
smell in the car on a 300SD (clogged vent on tank, etc.).  Might have been 
both.  Never heard anything.


 I went to their shop once when I was a student in Cambridge, their prices 
were way high and they were obnoxious, or at least the one I talked to 
about whatever the problem was.  Their show is sorta entertaining, but I 
guess diagnosing problems on the phone is hard to do, and even harder when 
you don't know sh** about the car involved.


--R

On 4/24/12 6:08 PM, Max wrote:

Andrew,

Recommend you pose your odor problem to Click&  Clack this Saturday. 
Start calling 888.227.8255 about 9:45 or so, Tom and Ray will have an 
answer for you...


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Re: [MBZ] Stereo Fun

[WILTON]

'Fraid I'm gonna hafta let go.

Wilton

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From: "Dan Penoff" 

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Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 6:48 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Stereo Fun



Go empty out your change jar before you look at this...

http://coolmaterial.com/roundup/crazy-expensive-stuff-from-the-new-york-high-end-audio-show/

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Andrew stumps the chumps

[Dan Penoff]

I would agree.  Their show is more entertainment than true diagnostics, 
although I will give them some credit on cars they appear to have direct 
knowledge of.

Sadly, Mercedes diesels are not in the category, based on responses I have 
heard them offer for various maladies over the years.  While it would be far 
from entertaining, I almost want to hear them say, "I don't know" rather than 
pitch some half-assed idea at someone who truly expects "expert" advice from 
them.

Dan

On Apr 24, 2012, at 6:56 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:

> Those guys don't know sh** about older diesel Benzes.  I have heard them 
> answer questions in the past and they were completely wrong.  I posted a 
> correct answer on their web site (I think it sent an email or something to 
> post in some forum) in the past about something, I think it was either a 
> clacking in the rear on a 300D (bad CV joints) or something about a diesel 
> smell in the car on a 300SD (clogged vent on tank, etc.).  Might have been 
> both.  Never heard anything.
> 
> I went to their shop once when I was a student in Cambridge, their prices 
> were way high and they were obnoxious, or at least the one I talked to about 
> whatever the problem was.  Their show is sorta entertaining, but I guess 
> diagnosing problems on the phone is hard to do, and even harder when you 
> don't know sh** about the car involved.
> 
> --R
> 
> On 4/24/12 6:08 PM, Max wrote:
>> Andrew,
>> 
>> Recommend you pose your odor problem to Click&  Clack this Saturday.  Start 
>> calling 888.227.8255 about 9:45 or so, Tom and Ray will have an answer for 
>> you...
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Re: [MBZ] Andrew stumps the chumps

[Rich Thomas]

Those guys don't know sh** about older diesel Benzes.  I have heard them 
answer questions in the past and they were completely wrong.  I posted a 
correct answer on their web site (I think it sent an email or something 
to post in some forum) in the past about something, I think it was 
either a clacking in the rear on a 300D (bad CV joints) or something 
about a diesel smell in the car on a 300SD (clogged vent on tank, 
etc.).  Might have been both.  Never heard anything.


 I went to their shop once when I was a student in Cambridge, their 
prices were way high and they were obnoxious, or at least the one I 
talked to about whatever the problem was.  Their show is sorta 
entertaining, but I guess diagnosing problems on the phone is hard to 
do, and even harder when you don't know sh** about the car involved.


--R

On 4/24/12 6:08 PM, Max wrote:

Andrew,

Recommend you pose your odor problem to Click&  Clack this Saturday.  Start 
calling 888.227.8255 about 9:45 or so, Tom and Ray will have an answer for you...


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[MBZ] Stereo Fun

[Dan Penoff]

Go empty out your change jar before you look at this...

http://coolmaterial.com/roundup/crazy-expensive-stuff-from-the-new-york-high-end-audio-show/

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101

[Randy Bennell]

Well, obviously, there are no guarantees, but, if it won't hold 
pressure, then it is leaking somewhere. If you cannot see evidence of 
leakage under the hood, then it may be sufficient evidence to cause you 
to look further into it.


One other alternate idea might be to disconnect the heater core and 
flush it out with water to rid it of the anti-freeze and then run for a 
bit with the heater core out of the system and see if the smell 
disappears. I am not familiar with your particular car but if there is a 
heater hose in and one coming out, one should be able to connect the two 
hoses together under the hood and leave the heater core out of the loop.


Randy


On 24/04/2012 3:44 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

One other hint:  The smell is intermittent and seems to get activated
when the ACC "clicks" to another mode or function.  Does the ACC
switch between outside and recirculating air and if so, when?

And does everyone agree that a pressure test of the cooling system
would definitively either rule out or implicate a leak in the heater
core?





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Re: [MBZ] 1985 Mercedes Turbo 500D - $1500 (Summerville)

[Larry T]

Pelican parts?  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - Oh I'm so damned funny - I kill 
me. :-D


LarryT
91 300D

On 4/24/2012 10:57 AM, Rusty Cullens wrote:

I have always wanted that 500D, now I can get it! Where will I get the parts
though?


-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:24 AM
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Subject: [MBZ] 1985 Mercedes Turbo 500D - $1500 (Summerville)

Very rare

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/2965601485.html

--R

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[MBZ] Andrew stumps the chumps

[Max]

Andrew,

Recommend you pose your odor problem to Click & Clack this Saturday.  Start 
calling 888.227.8255 about 9:45 or so, Tom and Ray will have an answer for 
you...
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD
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Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101

[Dieselhead]

WIllard?




Test YOUR theory by taking a sample of all the fluids from your car 
and heating them up on your stove.  If any of them are responsible 
for your smell, then you'll know which system is leaking.


What is my prize?  How about your vote for Mittens this fall?
--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD
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[MBZ] Fwd: Re: W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101 zahy8egy

[Rich Thomas]

I am getting bounced all over today...

--R

 Original Message 
Subject:Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101
Date:   Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:57:19 -0400
From:   Rich Thomas 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 



It pressurizes when it is working, no?  (When the coolant is hot).  That
is probably the situation -- leaking out a pinhole.  If your pressurizer
has a gauge that you can watch (and if it is a pinhole will leak down
faster than a bad connection of the pressurizer?) I suppose that would
confirm it.  The other way to do would be to put some hoses on the HX
connections, but put some sort of scented water in there, and pressurize
those.  If you detected the scent inside then you would know.  Or some
sort of gas you could detect (hmmm, R134 and a sniffer?).  Or just
air/water with a gauge on some connected hoses?

Is there any access to the space the HX is in?  I was thinking one of
those cheap stalk cameras from HF that you could poke up in there to see
if there is any leaking going on.

---R

On 4/24/12 4:44 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

 One other hint:  The smell is intermittent and seems to get activated
 when the ACC "clicks" to another mode or function.  Does the ACC
 switch between outside and recirculating air and if so, when?

 And does everyone agree that a pressure test of the cooling system
 would definitively either rule out or implicate a leak in the heater
 core?




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Re: [MBZ] Re Re: w115 won't start

[Randy Bennell]

On 24/04/2012 9:00 PM, Stuart S wrote:

Randy: Well, what's to say? She's a two-tone, brown over tan, with a bad
repaint on teh roof (mine, which I'll redo better this summer). The
interior's in bad cosmetic shape (cracked dash due to it being hard to put
back in after replacing the blower fan... which was a saga all its own),
with a recently re-padded and crack-welded driver's seat. Transmission's
worn, but the engine is sound. Trunk's always wet (Almost certainly a bad
rear window seal, and I'm not even going to try replacing it, honestly).

I've just accepted that the car's a beater, at this point - there's no way
she's worth the expense and labor of even half a restoration. But she runs
well (well, except for just now)...

(And I've never been able to turn the car over manually - the  belts always
slip. That said, given that the engine was running perfectly smoothly the
day before it wouldn't start, and stopped "normally", I really don't suspect
it's seized.)

Stuart S

Hi Stuart

So, is the 2 tone original? I think I have seen something about that on 
the web but have never seen one in real life.
My dash is ok except for the speaker grill in the middle. The cover is 
off of it, but I have it somewhere and could likely put it back on.


My driver's seat back needs help. The horsehair pad is falling apart and I have 
been waffling about the choices for repair. I need to do something before I 
ruin the MB tex.
I think my trans is ok. It shifts a bit hard but I think it just needs to be 
adjusted a bit. It basically does not want to shift up unless I back off on the 
throttle a bit - esp when cold.
I get a bit of moisture in the trunk on occasion but I think it is the seal on 
the trunk rather than the window. The trunk lid seal is intact but not really 
attached. It needs to be glued on.
My car is getting a few rust bubbles on the lower extremes of the rear quarter 
panels. It had been patched before I got it I think and is coming back to 
haunt. I will ultimately fix it when it gets a bit worse.
My car looks good from a distance. It was painted before I got it and is not a 
wonderful paint job but still looks pretty good from a few feet back - mostly 
because it is a very nice red color with a white interior.
I am not getting too excited about all that. I don't consider my car a beater 
but I did not get it to put in car shows. I want to use it and it will 
therefore never stay perfect in any event.

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p294/oldsub86/300Dside.jpg

My suggestion on the hydro lock business is maybe partly because I read some 
marine forums and it is somewhat common with inboard outboard engines. The 
water cooled exhaust manifolds rust out and flood the cylinders.
I should think it unlikely on an MB unless the head gasket is gone or the head 
is cracked. One might expect some steam etc to show up.

Randy




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Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101

[WILTON]

Very well done pictorial; 'didn't realize all of that was necessary for a 
123 evapectomy - much like a 124 operation.  Where was such as that for a 
124 when I needed it 4 years ago?


Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101


This pictorial on the W123 evaporator removal gets you in the 
neighborhood:

http://www.peachparts.com/Wikka/W123Evaporator

Dave
SoCal

'82 240D (3 pedal)
'84 300TD (Euro)
'85 300TD (Cali)


On Apr 24, 2012, at 12:21 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:


The only good thing I can say about replacing the 123 heater core is it's
slightly less hard than a 126.

Philip:  Correct me if I'm wrong; to replace a 123 heater core don't you
need to remove the dash, console, all ductwork, steering wheel, and then
remove the entire HVAC box/assembly, which requires draining coolant and
removing Freon?


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Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101

[andrew strasfogel]

One other hint:  The smell is intermittent and seems to get activated
when the ACC "clicks" to another mode or function.  Does the ACC
switch between outside and recirculating air and if so, when?

And does everyone agree that a pressure test of the cooling system
would definitively either rule out or implicate a leak in the heater
core?


On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 4:32 PM, WILTON  wrote:
> That's a 124 ('cept steering wheel and draining coolant); 'same as
> evapectomy; BTDT 4 years ago.  Real "fun," but not volunteering to do it
> again, unless somebody needs some help.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Scott Ritchey" 
>
> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 3:21 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101
>
>
>> The only good thing I can say about replacing the 123 heater core is it's
>> slightly less hard than a 126.
>>
>> Philip:  Correct me if I'm wrong; to replace a 123 heater core don't you
>> need to remove the dash, console, all ductwork, steering wheel, and then
>> remove the entire HVAC box/assembly, which requires draining coolant and
>> removing Freon?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
>> On Behalf Of Fmiser
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 3:01 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101
>>
>>> Rich Thomas wrote:
>>
>>
>>> It is probably leaking out the heat exchanger up in the duct
>>> work, some pinhole leak or something.  The only way to deal
>>> with that is to replace the heat exchanger.  Have fun.
>>
>>
>>> I ended up changing one in some other car I
>>> had, not a lot of fun but doable.
>>
>>
>> On a W123, it in necessary to remove the center console, the
>> dash, and the entire HVAC plenum.  Removing the front seats is
>> not required, but I found it helpful.
>>
>> --   Philip
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Re: [MBZ] Riding the solids

[WILTON]

Notice the chunks of ice flying past the wing leading edges immediately 
after liftoff?


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Ritchey" 

To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Riding the solids



Friend at NASA told me these cameras were retrofitted after Challenger.
Thinking back, this video technology didn't exist when the Shuttle was
designed.

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of relng...@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 12:50 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Riding the solids

THIS is impressive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?feature=player_embedded&v=2aCOyOvOw5c#!

Sound up!

RLE
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Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101

[WILTON]

That's a 124 ('cept steering wheel and draining coolant); 'same as 
evapectomy; BTDT 4 years ago.  Real "fun," but not volunteering to do it 
again, unless somebody needs some help.


Wilton

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Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101



The only good thing I can say about replacing the 123 heater core is it's
slightly less hard than a 126.

Philip:  Correct me if I'm wrong; to replace a 123 heater core don't you
need to remove the dash, console, all ductwork, steering wheel, and then
remove the entire HVAC box/assembly, which requires draining coolant and
removing Freon?

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Fmiser
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 3:01 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101


Rich Thomas wrote:



It is probably leaking out the heat exchanger up in the duct
work, some pinhole leak or something.  The only way to deal
with that is to replace the heat exchanger.  Have fun.



I ended up changing one in some other car I
had, not a lot of fun but doable.


On a W123, it in necessary to remove the center console, the
dash, and the entire HVAC plenum.  Removing the front seats is
not required, but I found it helpful.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101

[Fmiser]

> > > Rich Thomas wrote:
> > >
> > > It is probably leaking out the heat exchanger up in the duct
> > > work, some pinhole leak or something.  The only way to deal
> > > with that is to replace the heat exchanger.  Have fun.
> > >
> > > I ended up changing one in some other car I
> > > had, not a lot of fun but doable.

> > Philip wrote:
> >
> > On a W123, it in necessary to remove the center console, the
> > dash, and the entire HVAC plenum.  Removing the front seats is
> > not required, but I found it helpful.

> Scott Ritchey wrote:

> The only good thing I can say about replacing the 123 heater
> core is it's slightly less hard than a 126.
> 
> Philip:  Correct me if I'm wrong; to replace a 123 heater core
> don't you need to remove the dash, console, all ductwork,
> steering wheel, and then remove the entire HVAC box/assembly,
> which requires draining coolant and removing Freon? 

I'm pretty sure I didn't remove the steering wheel. I don't
recall having to open Freon lines, but that car did not have a
functioning air conditioner so I may have just forgotten.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Medical Records: was Light Reading of crash data

[Mountain Man]

Grant wrote:
> It will come.. just not in my remaining lifetime... likely..

Plus, we don't need to go see these information gatherers.  Abe
Lincoln didn't have an exposure problem - stay away from the systems
and try to accomplish anonymity as much as possible - forget the
regulators and their schemes.  Yes, that means voluntarily limiting
participation in the 'wonders' of technology today.  Tech ain't all it
means to be - it seems more a nemesis than benefit.  Similarly health
care seems more a nemesis than benefit.  Keep away from their systems
and live like the billions of persons that have lived, then died on
the plane to date and we might be better off than "...in the year
2525, if man is still alive"
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT fedora server

[Dave Walton]

Also consider using the free VMware Converter to create virtual machines for 
each of the running servers and workstations. You can run the free VMware 
player to boot them up to make sure they are working. 

I have had issues in the past converting domain controllers. They stop working 
after the built in certificates expire. Not sure if that's still an issue. If 
so install from scratch then promote to a DC and move all the roles over 
manually.

Dave Walton


On Apr 23, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Ed, and all.
> 
> The consensus is to install the winders server or install it as a VM on a 
> lightweight host.Now all I need is time to git'er done.
> 
> The company closed, building was sold.  New owner will be making similar 
> product so some info on the existing computers might be useful, so it is good 
> to keep that info available.   Plan is to use Acronis product to make an 
> image of each existing desktop, Save to dvd and server.  Wipe drives, and do 
> clean installs of XP and software.  On hearty enough machines, install VM 
> with the old machine restored with its image.
> 
> So far all I have managed to do is crack passwords and look at what is there. 
>  Today I did the accounting machine.  Being a manufacturing business, this 
> one computer was basically
> the heat of the companies info.  I found the administrator was ___  Yep, 
> blank password.  Wow!  I am guessing someone else already broke it.
> 
> I have seen lots of things that make it little wonder the business went under.
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Plenty of people have pointed out SAMBA, and SAMBA makes a great drop in
>> replacement for a Windows SMB file server environment. However, I think
>> everyone has conveniently glossed over what you are actually asking for,
>> group policies.
>> 
>> I work for a medium business with multiple locations with an eclectic mix
>> of operating systems. I'm here to tell you that our Windows desktops talk
>> to a Windows server specifically for group policy reasons. Our *NIX
>> servers, regardless of what flavor, don't talk to the desktops directly.
>> 
>> GPO works via an implicit trust relationship between server and
>> workstation. *NIX has a lot of Windows networking replacement parts, but
>> there is no way to implement the implicit trust relationship that is
>> required to perform Active Directory group policy decisions. There *are*
>> ways to force them from *NIX, but they are all very cludgy.
>> 
>> To sum up, if you are installing this for a client that wants and Active
>> Directory trusted domain, install Windows Server and save yourself the
>> headache.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Riding the solids

[Mountain Man]

Scott wrote:
> Friend at NASA told me these cameras were retrofitted after Challenger.
> Thinking back, this video technology didn't exist when the Shuttle was
> designed.

I want to see the temperature readings up and down, like they showed
the mph readings up and down.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Medical Records: was Light Reading of crash data

[G Mann]

It seems that in the society of Facebook/Twitter/ and Britney / Paris no
panty days privacy has taken the decade off.

It will take a generation of abuse by loss of personal information and
being fired for "social media postings" before the current society will
once again come to respect the need for personal privileged communications
and privacy.

It will come.. just not in my remaining lifetime... likely..

Zie Documents SCHNELL  ya?

Grant... AZ

On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Scott Ritchey  wrote:

> It seems all medical records must now (or soon) be digital.  Is anyone else
> concerned about the potential easy and wide-spread compromise for this data
> that is supposed to be one of only three (doctors, lawyers, and clergy)
> privileged communications?
>
> Scott
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 11:10 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Light Reading of crash data
>
> We have this thing called "The Constitution of the United States of
> America" in which the Fourth Amendment states:   "The right of the
> people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,
> against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and
> no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or
> affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and
> the persons or things to be seized."
>
> Now that is not to say The Man cannot go to a willing judge and get a
> warrant, but ideally your random cop should not be able to pull
> something out of your car without the proper authorization.  Of course,
> the gummint is pummeling the 4th Amendment into something unrecognizable
> to the Founding Fathers, but that is another discussion best not engaged
> in here.
>
> YMMV in other parts of the world.
>
> --R
>
> On 4/23/12 8:12 PM, Hendrik & Fay wrote:
> > Why is that a downer? From what I see this will only affect the idiot
> > drivers who do the wrong thing.
> > It's like saying that cops don't have the right to breath/drug test
> > you after an accident because it violates your privacy, insofar it
> > could be argued that your blood alcohol content is a private matter.
> > However you wouldn't get to far with that line because you are
> > operating a vehicle on a public road, where there have to be rules. If
> > one of those rules now is that data will be collected after a crash,
> > then so be it. Don't like it? Don't drive. As long as it is made clear
> > that those are the rules, so a informed decision can be made.
> > Driving a car on the road is a privilege not a right, you are expected
> > to abide by rules and be a competent driver.
> > Would you be happy if airlines refuse to have black boxes in planes
> > because it may affect their insurance or intrude in their privacy?
> > I can't see how the data collected will violate privacy, all it will
> > do is help crash investigators determine the cause of an accident and
> > will show up if you are a crap driver.
> > Yes I can see how it will benefit the insurance companies trying to
> > wiggle out of a claim but if you did everything to a certain standard,
> > they can't do much. On the other hand if you choose to speed through a
> > stop sign and wipe out another car, then you should face the music.
> >
> > It is interesting to note that MB and Audi are not playing along,
> > wonder why as this system is a step forward in road safety.
> >
> > Hendrik
> > who is not likely to have a black box
> >
> > On 24/04/12 05:34, andrew strasfogel wrote:
> >> Oh boy that is a real downer...
> >>
> >> On 4/23/12, Tim C  wrote:
> >>>
>
> http://www.forbes.com/sites/williampentland/2012/04/22/diesel-exhaust-more-d
> eadly-than-car-accidents/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Now that I have your attention,
> >>>
>
> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/04/privacy-experts-warn-that-ne
> w-car-black-box-bill-doesnt-go-far-enough.ars?clicked=related_right
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>> Tim
> >>> hoping this doesn't blow into an overly political discussion
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101

[G Mann]

Someone set me straight on this please, isn't the cabin air taken from the
air box that resides behind the battery tray? Feed of fresh air comes from
the grill just below the wipers?  There is an access hole from that air box
that drains into the engine compartment but it's only about 1.25 inch
hole.. just the right size for a mouse to find shelter and build a nasty
smelly nest.

Could your problem be from this airbox being comtaminated with critter
"stuff"???

Just a thought, might be worth pulling the cover/screen/grill off and
having a look?

HTH,

Grant...

On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Max  wrote:

> Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
>
> >If so, why can't I smell anything under the hood yet it stinks up the
> >vent air?
> >
>
> Because it is leaking from the heat exchanger!!
>
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '95 E300, '87 300TD
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Medical Records: was Light Reading of crash data

[Scott Ritchey]

It seems all medical records must now (or soon) be digital.  Is anyone else
concerned about the potential easy and wide-spread compromise for this data
that is supposed to be one of only three (doctors, lawyers, and clergy)
privileged communications?

Scott

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 11:10 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Light Reading of crash data

We have this thing called "The Constitution of the United States of 
America" in which the Fourth Amendment states:   "The right of the 
people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, 
against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and 
no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or 
affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and 
the persons or things to be seized."

Now that is not to say The Man cannot go to a willing judge and get a 
warrant, but ideally your random cop should not be able to pull 
something out of your car without the proper authorization.  Of course, 
the gummint is pummeling the 4th Amendment into something unrecognizable 
to the Founding Fathers, but that is another discussion best not engaged 
in here.

YMMV in other parts of the world.

--R

On 4/23/12 8:12 PM, Hendrik & Fay wrote:
> Why is that a downer? From what I see this will only affect the idiot 
> drivers who do the wrong thing.
> It's like saying that cops don't have the right to breath/drug test 
> you after an accident because it violates your privacy, insofar it 
> could be argued that your blood alcohol content is a private matter. 
> However you wouldn't get to far with that line because you are 
> operating a vehicle on a public road, where there have to be rules. If 
> one of those rules now is that data will be collected after a crash, 
> then so be it. Don't like it? Don't drive. As long as it is made clear 
> that those are the rules, so a informed decision can be made.
> Driving a car on the road is a privilege not a right, you are expected 
> to abide by rules and be a competent driver.
> Would you be happy if airlines refuse to have black boxes in planes 
> because it may affect their insurance or intrude in their privacy?
> I can't see how the data collected will violate privacy, all it will 
> do is help crash investigators determine the cause of an accident and 
> will show up if you are a crap driver.
> Yes I can see how it will benefit the insurance companies trying to 
> wiggle out of a claim but if you did everything to a certain standard, 
> they can't do much. On the other hand if you choose to speed through a 
> stop sign and wipe out another car, then you should face the music.
>
> It is interesting to note that MB and Audi are not playing along, 
> wonder why as this system is a step forward in road safety.
>
> Hendrik
> who is not likely to have a black box
>
> On 24/04/12 05:34, andrew strasfogel wrote:
>> Oh boy that is a real downer...
>>
>> On 4/23/12, Tim C  wrote:
>>>
http://www.forbes.com/sites/williampentland/2012/04/22/diesel-exhaust-more-d
eadly-than-car-accidents/ 
>>>
>>>
>>> Now that I have your attention,
>>>
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/04/privacy-experts-warn-that-ne
w-car-black-box-bill-doesnt-go-far-enough.ars?clicked=related_right 
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Tim
>>> hoping this doesn't blow into an overly political discussion
>>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Riding the solids

[Scott Ritchey]

Friend at NASA told me these cameras were retrofitted after Challenger.
Thinking back, this video technology didn't exist when the Shuttle was
designed.

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of relng...@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 12:50 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Riding the solids

THIS is impressive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?feature=player_embedded&v=2aCOyOvOw5c#!

Sound up!

RLE
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Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101

[Dave Cavner]

This pictorial on the W123 evaporator removal gets you in the neighborhood:
http://www.peachparts.com/Wikka/W123Evaporator

Dave
SoCal

'82 240D (3 pedal)
'84 300TD (Euro)
'85 300TD (Cali)


On Apr 24, 2012, at 12:21 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:

> The only good thing I can say about replacing the 123 heater core is it's
> slightly less hard than a 126.
> 
> Philip:  Correct me if I'm wrong; to replace a 123 heater core don't you
> need to remove the dash, console, all ductwork, steering wheel, and then
> remove the entire HVAC box/assembly, which requires draining coolant and
> removing Freon? 

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Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101

[Scott Ritchey]

The only good thing I can say about replacing the 123 heater core is it's
slightly less hard than a 126.

Philip:  Correct me if I'm wrong; to replace a 123 heater core don't you
need to remove the dash, console, all ductwork, steering wheel, and then
remove the entire HVAC box/assembly, which requires draining coolant and
removing Freon? 

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Fmiser
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 3:01 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101

> Rich Thomas wrote:

> It is probably leaking out the heat exchanger up in the duct
> work, some pinhole leak or something.  The only way to deal
> with that is to replace the heat exchanger.  Have fun.

> I ended up changing one in some other car I
> had, not a lot of fun but doable.

On a W123, it in necessary to remove the center console, the
dash, and the entire HVAC plenum.  Removing the front seats is
not required, but I found it helpful.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] 1985 Mercedes Turbo 500D - $1500 (Summerville)

[Mountain Man]

Rusty wrote:
> That was cruel.

Rusth - give Andrew the standard treatment I know from Rusty.
If I don't get an 'F' bomb at the end of my order, I know things are
not right in Hotlanta.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101

[Fmiser]

> Rich Thomas wrote:

> It is probably leaking out the heat exchanger up in the duct
> work, some pinhole leak or something.  The only way to deal
> with that is to replace the heat exchanger.  Have fun.

> I ended up changing one in some other car I
> had, not a lot of fun but doable.

On a W123, it in necessary to remove the center console, the
dash, and the entire HVAC plenum.  Removing the front seats is
not required, but I found it helpful.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] 1985 Mercedes Turbo 500D - $1500 (Summerville)

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Didn't know you could be such a meanie:)

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On Apr 24, 2012, at 1:32 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel"  wrote:

Sorry. Won't happen again. 
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That was cruel.

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Jabba's Parts?
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I have always wanted that 500D, now I can get it! Where will I get the parts
though?


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On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
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Subject: [MBZ] 1985 Mercedes Turbo 500D - $1500 (Summerville)

Very rare

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/2965601485.html

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Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Apr 24, 2012 11:14 AM, "Rich Thomas" <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
>
 >It was actually pretty easy to get at
> them up under the glove box,
>if you were something of a >contortionist.  I ended up changing
> one in some other car I had, not a
> lot of fun but doable.
>

There otter be a law that heater cores be front and center on the firewall,
easily changed out from under the hood.  Kind of like the wiper motor on a
jeep.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101

[WILTON]

Which is inside a box ISOLATED from the engine compartment and has vent 
(ambient) air from outside and, sometimes, recirculating air from inside the 
car flowing through it.


Wilton

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Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:


If so, why can't I smell anything under the hood yet it stinks up the
vent air?



Because it is leaking from the heat exchanger!!

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Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101

[Rich Thomas]

It is probably leaking out the heat exchanger up in the duct work, some 
pinhole leak or something.  The only way to deal with that is to replace 
the heat exchanger.  Have fun.


I was driving one day in the fam's 67 Buick Skylark and sitting at a 
light it started belching coolant down in the passenger footwell.  
ruhroh.  I pulled over somewhere, found a payphone and called my dad to 
tell him and ask what was going on.  He says the heater core is leaking, 
needs to be replaced.  Luckily I was just down the street from a pretty 
good gas station/repair shop (we had no cell phones back then but 
actually had gas station repair shops, imagine that!) so I drove it in, 
my dad came to get me, they replaced the heater core for not much 
money.  It was actually pretty easy to get at them up under the glove 
box, if you were something of a contortionist.  I ended up changing one 
in some other car I had, not a lot of fun but doable.


--R

On 4/24/12 1:23 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

If so, why can't I smell anything under the hood yet it stinks up the vent air?


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Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101

[Max]

Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:

>If so, why can't I smell anything under the hood yet it stinks up the
>vent air?
>

Because it is leaking from the heat exchanger!!

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Printing press - what every self reliant person needs!

[G Mann]

And that machine has now been outdated by a Kindle [I think that's what
it's called... there are likely others, but if it doesn't leak oil, make
noise and have seats for 5 I can barely speak it's name... techno
challenged that I am]...

Grant... AZ

On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> Some years ago I was at a trade show and IBM had this big machine set up
> to do something.  I got talking to one of the guys who was babysitting it
> and he told me it would make books, you just tell it what book you wanted
> and in a few minutes it would print it and bind it and spit it out.  So I
> picked some book they had stored in the computer, and it proceeded to whir
> and make noises, and after a few minutes a brand-new book rolls out the
> slot.  I forget what book it was, it was a fairly new novel, and was
> indistinguishable from one you buy at the store.  Now of course, there
> could have been a big stack of them in the machine, and all the ceremony
> was just a show, but I think not.  I think the machine at the time cost
> like $300k.
>
> --R
>
>
> On 4/22/12 8:26 PM, Mountain Man wrote:
>
>> Gerry wrote:
>>
>>> This unique museum tells the story of printing from Gutenberg through the
>>> early 1900's.
>>>
>> The Freakonomics radio presentation recently had a story about how
>> Amazon is wrecking the print book biz.  There are now companies that
>> print books to order at prices below print books prices - some place
>> in TN or KY, I believe.
>> mao
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 Mercedes Turbo 500D - $1500 (Summerville)

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Sorry. Won't happen again. 
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That was cruel.

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 Mercedes Turbo 500D - $1500 (Summerville)

Jabba's Parts?
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I have always wanted that 500D, now I can get it! Where will I get the parts
though?


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On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:24 AM
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Subject: [MBZ] 1985 Mercedes Turbo 500D - $1500 (Summerville)

Very rare

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/2965601485.html

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Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101

[Andrew Strasfogel]

If so, why can't I smell anything under the hood yet it stinks up the vent air?
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On Apr 24, 2012, at 8:22 AM, "andrew strasfogel"  wrote:
> 1) an oil, PS or SLS fluid, or antifreeze leak under the hood that
> emits a noxious smell when the engine warms up.  The odor is somehow
> drawn into the air intake.


Didn't you have a pretty good leak on an SLS hose? Perhaps, if you haven't 
power washed the engine, it is still burning off and polluting the air. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101

[Rick Knoble]

On Apr 24, 2012, at 8:22 AM, "andrew strasfogel"  wrote:
> 1) an oil, PS or SLS fluid, or antifreeze leak under the hood that
> emits a noxious smell when the engine warms up.  The odor is somehow
> drawn into the air intake.


Didn't you have a pretty good leak on an SLS hose? Perhaps, if you haven't 
power washed the engine, it is still burning off and polluting the air. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Printing press - what every self reliant person needs!

[Rich Thomas]

Some years ago I was at a trade show and IBM had this big machine set up 
to do something.  I got talking to one of the guys who was babysitting 
it and he told me it would make books, you just tell it what book you 
wanted and in a few minutes it would print it and bind it and spit it 
out.  So I picked some book they had stored in the computer, and it 
proceeded to whir and make noises, and after a few minutes a brand-new 
book rolls out the slot.  I forget what book it was, it was a fairly new 
novel, and was indistinguishable from one you buy at the store.  Now of 
course, there could have been a big stack of them in the machine, and 
all the ceremony was just a show, but I think not.  I think the machine 
at the time cost like $300k.


--R

On 4/22/12 8:26 PM, Mountain Man wrote:

Gerry wrote:

This unique museum tells the story of printing from Gutenberg through the
early 1900's.

The Freakonomics radio presentation recently had a story about how
Amazon is wrecking the print book biz.  There are now companies that
print books to order at prices below print books prices - some place
in TN or KY, I believe.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT fedora server

[Dieselhead]

Thanks Ed, and all.

The consensus is to install the winders server or install it as a VM 
on a lightweight host.Now all I need is time to git'er done.


The company closed, building was sold.  New owner will be making 
similar product so some info on the existing computers might be 
useful, so it is good to keep that info available.   Plan is to use 
Acronis product to make an image of each existing desktop, Save to 
dvd and server.  Wipe drives, and do clean installs of XP and 
software.  On hearty enough machines, install VM with the old machine 
restored with its image.


So far all I have managed to do is crack passwords and look at what 
is there.  Today I did the accounting machine.  Being a manufacturing 
business, this one computer was basically
 the heat of the companies info.  I found the administrator was 
___  Yep, blank password.  Wow!  I am guessing someone else 
already broke it.


I have seen lots of things that make it little wonder the business went under.






Plenty of people have pointed out SAMBA, and SAMBA makes a great drop in
replacement for a Windows SMB file server environment. However, I think
everyone has conveniently glossed over what you are actually asking for,
group policies.

I work for a medium business with multiple locations with an eclectic mix
of operating systems. I'm here to tell you that our Windows desktops talk
to a Windows server specifically for group policy reasons. Our *NIX
servers, regardless of what flavor, don't talk to the desktops directly.

GPO works via an implicit trust relationship between server and
workstation. *NIX has a lot of Windows networking replacement parts, but
there is no way to implement the implicit trust relationship that is
required to perform Active Directory group policy decisions. There *are*
ways to force them from *NIX, but they are all very cludgy.

To sum up, if you are installing this for a client that wants and Active
Directory trusted domain, install Windows Server and save yourself the
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 Mercedes Turbo 500D - $1500 (Summerville)

[Rusty Cullens]

That was cruel.

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Jabba's Parts?
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I have always wanted that 500D, now I can get it! Where will I get the parts
though?


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Subject: [MBZ] 1985 Mercedes Turbo 500D - $1500 (Summerville)

Very rare

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/2965601485.html

--R

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Re: [MBZ] 1985 Mercedes Turbo 500D - $1500 (Summerville)

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Well everything from the 500E should translate over. The mythical engine would 
be an issue though!

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On Apr 24, 2012, at 10:57 AM, "Rusty Cullens"  wrote:

I have always wanted that 500D, now I can get it! Where will I get the parts
though?


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Subject: [MBZ] 1985 Mercedes Turbo 500D - $1500 (Summerville)

Very rare

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/2965601485.html

--R

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Re: [MBZ] 1985 Mercedes Turbo 500D - $1500 (Summerville)

[Max]

Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:

>Jabba's Parts?
>
Ouch!
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 Mercedes Turbo 500D - $1500 (Summerville)

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Jabba's Parts?
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I have always wanted that 500D, now I can get it! Where will I get the parts
though?


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Subject: [MBZ] 1985 Mercedes Turbo 500D - $1500 (Summerville)

Very rare

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/2965601485.html

--R

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Re: [MBZ] 1985 Mercedes Turbo 500D - $1500 (Summerville)

[Rusty Cullens]

I have always wanted that 500D, now I can get it! Where will I get the parts
though?


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Subject: [MBZ] 1985 Mercedes Turbo 500D - $1500 (Summerville)

Very rare

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/2965601485.html

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Re: [MBZ] Re Re: w115 won't start

[Craig]

On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 05:57:25 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond
 wrote:

> Did you try the headlight test? Do the headlights dim noticeably when
> attempting to crank?
> 
> What if you pull the glow plugs? Will it crank then?

Did you try to short the middle, small terminal to the top, large
terminal on the starter solenoid with a big screwdriver?

If that fails, short the two large terminals on the solenoid together.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Riding the solids

[Frederick Moir]

Wow!

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.




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Subject: [MBZ] Riding the solids
 
THIS is impressive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?feature=player_embedded&v=2aCOyOvOw5c#!

Sound up!

RLE
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[MBZ] 1985 Mercedes Turbo 500D - $1500 (Summerville)

[Rich Thomas]

Very rare

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/2965601485.html

--R

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Re: [MBZ] Grubbing around under Frosch

[Jim Cathey]

Did not drain the TC, but it can not hold all that much.


Pushing half, IIRC.  Shoulda, coulda...

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101

[Jim Cathey]

How exactly does the heat exchanger work anyway?


It's a small radiator inside the dash.  100% identical in function.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101

[Max]

andrew strasfogel  wrote:

>Well, they're not leaking.  I stil think this smell is generated from
>a liiquid burning on a hot surface.  Logically, it's either
>
>1) an oil, PS or SLS fluid, or antifreeze leak under the hood that
>emits a noxious smell when the engine warms up.  The odor is somehow
>drawn into the air intake.  This seems unlikely because the rubber
>gasket (seal) running across the top of the firewall is intact.
>
>2) the air picks up the odor after encountering the WARM heat
>exchanger.  How exactly does the heat exchanger work anyway?
>
>
The heat exchanger is a small radiator filled with the same anti-freeze as your 
engine.  The mono-valve controls the flow of hot coolant to the heat exchanger. 
 The fan blows outside air across the heat exchanger and into the cabin.

Testing the heat exchanger is same as testing the radiator:  pressurize the 
entire system, and if the pressure drops, you have a leak.

Test YOUR theory by taking a sample of all the fluids from your car and heating 
them up on your stove.  If any of them are responsible for your smell, then 
you'll know which system is leaking.

What is my prize?  How about your vote for Mittens this fall?
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD
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Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101

[andrew strasfogel]

Well, they're not leaking.  I stil think this smell is generated from
a liiquid burning on a hot surface.  Logically, it's either

1) an oil, PS or SLS fluid, or antifreeze leak under the hood that
emits a noxious smell when the engine warms up.  The odor is somehow
drawn into the air intake.  This seems unlikely because the rubber
gasket (seal) running across the top of the firewall is intact.

2) the air picks up the odor after encountering the WARM heat
exchanger.  How exactly does the heat exchanger work anyway?



On 4/24/12, OK Don  wrote:
> Yes - the other end of the two that hook to the mono valve.
>
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 9:53 PM, andrew strasfogel
> wrote:
>
>> Are those the  ones on the firewall that hook up to the monovalve?
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 8:39 PM, OK Don  wrote:
>> > The hoses that connect to the heater core -
>> >
>> > On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Andrew Strasfogel <
>> astrasfo...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >
>> >> Where might be the offending hose? That would have to be easier than
>> >> messing with the heater core.
>> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: OK Don 
>> >> Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
>> >> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 21:58:04
>> >> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> >> Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101
>> >>
>> >> You will smell a tiny leak - not enough to visibly drop the level in
>> >> the
>> >> tank, or run enough to see inside the car.
>> >> What then? Either put up with the smell until it does get really bad,
>> >> or
>> >> replace the leaking part - hose or heater core.
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 9:51 PM, andrew strasfogel <
>> astrasfo...@gmail.com
>> >> >wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > And if it is then what?  There is no loss of coolant or any liquids
>> >> > entering the cabin,
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 10:47 PM, OK Don  wrote:
>> >> > > You will be able to tell by smell whether the odor is an antifreeze
>> >> leak
>> >> > in
>> >> > > the heater core.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 9:45 PM, andrew strasfogel <
>> >> > astrasfo...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> And what would that prove?
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Max 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > >> > andrew strasfogel  wrote:
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >>Well, the smell came back on a trip this afternoon when I
>> >> > >> >> stopped
>> >> at a
>> >> > >> >>light.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Anti-freeze:  test this by taking some from your car and heating
>> it
>> >> on
>> >> > >> your stove.  Beware that it is poisonous.
>> >> > >> > --
>> >> > >> > Max Dillon
>> >> > >> > Charleston SC
>> >> > >> > '95 E300, '87 300TD
>> >> > >> > ___
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>> >> > >
>> >> > > --
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>> >> > > 2001 ML320
>> >> > > 1992 300D 2.5T
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>> >> > > 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager
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>> >> 1992 300D 2.5T
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Re: [MBZ] Couple parts questions

[Curt Raymond]

I went through the aluminum coming apart on my '83, I just fabricated a wedge 
of wood (pine I think but hardwood would have been a better choice.

In this case the plastic trim has broken apart. I know from past experience 
that gluing it back together is an exercise in frustration...

-Curt

Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 07:08:33 -0400
From: Dan Penoff 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Couple parts questions
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Good luck replacing that trim. I did both the anodized aluminum and the black 
parts on a 123 wagon once, and I was never able to get parts of the black trim 
to stay on.

To get the aluminum trim on you have to fabricate a tool out of hardwood to 
drive it in place.

A pretty exciting exercise, beating on this tiny piece of trim the length of 
the car with a brand new paint job.

Dan

On Apr 23, 2012, at 10:16 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Rusty,
> 
> For an '78 240D, can you get the black plastic trim that goes over the 
> aluminum trim that hangs on the rain gutter? I don't know what its called.
> 
> Also an '84 190D, I need the rear muffler.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -Curt
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Re Re: w115 won't start

[Curt Raymond]

Did you try the headlight test? Do the headlights dim noticeably when 
attempting to crank?

What if you pull the glow plugs? Will it crank then?

-Curt

Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:00:59 -0700
From: "Stuart S" 
To: 
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Thanks for your assistance, everyone -

Until I can get a helper (or get around to getting a voltmeter with CLIPS
rather than probes...) I can't do any of the while-cranking tests, but I've
definitely got power at the battery and at the starter.

Mr. Starter Switch tells me that the starter will turn, and that when I put
power to the solenoid it at least clicks, indicating that it's at least
electrically not-entirely-dead.

I suppose there's not much else I can test until I get a helper or a DVM
with clips. Long ones, so I can see the face while cranking. Or, yeah, a
helper. That'd be nice.

(I also notice I don't hear the starter motor operating
without-the-solenoid-engaged when I turn the key, which makes me suspect
it's a problem between the key and the starter, but again, can't confirm or
deny just now...)


Randy: Well, what's to say? She's a two-tone, brown over tan, with a bad
repaint on teh roof (mine, which I'll redo better this summer). The
interior's in bad cosmetic shape (cracked dash due to it being hard to put
back in after replacing the blower fan... which was a saga all its own),
with a recently re-padded and crack-welded driver's seat. Transmission's
worn, but the engine is sound. Trunk's always wet (Almost certainly a bad
rear window seal, and I'm not even going to try replacing it, honestly).

I've just accepted that the car's a beater, at this point - there's no way
she's worth the expense and labor of even half a restoration. But she runs
well (well, except for just now)...

(And I've never been able to turn the car over manually - the  belts always
slip. That said, given that the engine was running perfectly smoothly the
day before it wouldn't start, and stopped "normally", I really don't suspect
it's seized.)

Stuart S.

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Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101

[OK Don]

Yes - the other end of the two that hook to the mono valve.

On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 9:53 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

> Are those the  ones on the firewall that hook up to the monovalve?
>
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 8:39 PM, OK Don  wrote:
> > The hoses that connect to the heater core -
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Andrew Strasfogel <
> astrasfo...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> Where might be the offending hose? That would have to be easier than
> >> messing with the heater core.
> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: OK Don 
> >> Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
> >> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 21:58:04
> >> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> >> Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 1985 300TD ACC (heating system) 101
> >>
> >> You will smell a tiny leak - not enough to visibly drop the level in the
> >> tank, or run enough to see inside the car.
> >> What then? Either put up with the smell until it does get really bad, or
> >> replace the leaking part - hose or heater core.
> >>
> >> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 9:51 PM, andrew strasfogel <
> astrasfo...@gmail.com
> >> >wrote:
> >>
> >> > And if it is then what?  There is no loss of coolant or any liquids
> >> > entering the cabin,
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 10:47 PM, OK Don  wrote:
> >> > > You will be able to tell by smell whether the odor is an antifreeze
> >> leak
> >> > in
> >> > > the heater core.
> >> > >
> >> > > On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 9:45 PM, andrew strasfogel <
> >> > astrasfo...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> And what would that prove?
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Max 
> >> wrote:
> >> > >> > andrew strasfogel  wrote:
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >>Well, the smell came back on a trip this afternoon when I stopped
> >> at a
> >> > >> >>light.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Anti-freeze:  test this by taking some from your car and heating
> it
> >> on
> >> > >> your stove.  Beware that it is poisonous.
> >> > >> > --
> >> > >> > Max Dillon
> >> > >> > Charleston SC
> >> > >> > '95 E300, '87 300TD
> >> > >> > ___
> >> > >> >
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> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > OK Don
> >> > > 2001 ML320
> >> > > 1992 300D 2.5T
> >> > > 1990 300D 2.5T
> >> > > 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager
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> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >> 2001 ML320
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> >> 1990 300D 2.5T
> >> 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager
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> >
> >
> > --
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> > 1992 300D 2.5T
> > 1990 300D 2.5T
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1951 Mercedes Benz 170 S (Milford, Ct.)

[Ed Booher]

On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 1:13 PM, G Mann  wrote:

> I have one spotted setting in a desert home that keeps calling to me.
>
> Anyone interested?


Do you really need even ask? Of course half the group is going to say
"Yes!" Might as well go start doing recon for the rest of us right now.

EdB

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Re: [MBZ] Couple parts questions

[Dan Penoff]

Good luck replacing that trim. I did both the anodized aluminum and the black 
parts on a 123 wagon once, and I was never able to get parts of the black trim 
to stay on.

To get the aluminum trim on you have to fabricate a tool out of hardwood to 
drive it in place.

A pretty exciting exercise, beating on this tiny piece of trim the length of 
the car with a brand new paint job.

Dan

On Apr 23, 2012, at 10:16 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Rusty,
> 
> For an '78 240D, can you get the black plastic trim that goes over the 
> aluminum trim that hangs on the rain gutter? I don't know what its called.
> 
> Also an '84 190D, I need the rear muffler.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -Curt
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Grubbing around under Frosch

[Allan Streib]

clay monroe  writes:

> Did the row through gears and then took it for a drive.  Came back and
> it shows over full.  WTF?  Maybe I did not drive far enough to get it
> really hot.

The hotter it is, the higher the level will be.  If you did not drain
the torque converter and added 4 quarts you may have overfilled.  The
converter holds a couple I think.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1979 300SD

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