date:20121228

Ok. Now I know what you guys are talking about. My father installed one years 
ago in a flat in Athens, Greece where I grew up. It was mounted high up near 
the ceiling. Compressor was outside on balcony. We used it for AC. Are these 
that good for heat as well?

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 27, 2012, at 9:25 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net 
wrote:

 Electric AC and heat pump combined unit or you can just do AC.  The outdoor 
 compressor sends the refrigerant (heaterant?) to the indoor head units which 
 are just a small heat exchanger, controller, and fan.  Run 2 insulated pipes 
 and a 4-wire power/control bundle between the outdoor and indoor units and 
 yer good ta go.
 
 --R (sent from my miniPad)
 
 On Dec 27, 2012, at 8:09 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Does this heater run on electricity or some sort of fuel?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 27, 2012, at 4:28 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
 
 Seems like Rich mentioned mini splits in his new addition.
 I recently bought Fujitsu's 2nd tier 3/4 ton unit (23 SEER / 11 HSPF) and 
 finally got it installed and operational this afternoon.
 
 I hung it in the living room, intending to use it like a small wood stove to 
 make the furnace run less. I also bought a 2nd thermostat for the main 
 furnace so that I could call for heat from my bedroom in the opposite end of 
 the house from the mini split.
 
 After an hour of operation with the mini split set for 74°, the hall 
 thermostat reads 72°. (it's 28°F and sunny outside and the hall t-stat is 
 set for 68°, so no furnace with the mini split running unless I set up the 
 bedroom t-stat). It's interesting how much that little thing can warm my 
 30x40' house.
 
 Mitch.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Timing chain replacement advice

Thanks. This is great stuff. About the tool; I'm not sure how it works. It 
keeps the chain against the cam but doesn't the chain still have to be pulled 
to feed it through and keep things taught?

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 27, 2012, at 11:22 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 22:11:52 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 It should save some time, but I don't think it's worth it iff you don't
 replace timeing chains more than two or three times in your life. I
 followed Peter's process almost exactly all three times I've done it. I
 used three pieces of 12 ga. house wire to tie the chain to the cam
 sprocket
 - keeping two on it at all times.
 Yes, it is slow to rotate a bit, move wire ties, rotate a bit, etc. till
 it's all done, but better than the anxiety when the cam jumps a tooth ot
 two, and you're not even sure which way, it's so fast. (BTDT) I was
 lucky, the engine would not turn over once a piston hit the valve while
 turning the engine by hand - guessed the right direction, moved the
 chain one link, and it ran fine for the next 100,000+ miles.
 
 I really must have been fortunate when I changed the timing chain on our
 '64 190Dc (OM621 or OM636) with no special tools and not much in the way
 of instructions other than the Chilton manual and had no difficulties.
 
 
 Craig
 
 P.S. Below are old emails on the subject. I sent a copy of the picture of
 the chain link tool mentioned in the second email to the list
 tonight. So, whenever Kaleb approves it ...
 
 
 
 From: jfre...@aol.com
 To: merce...@striplin.net
 Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list merce...@striplin.net
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D timing chain replacement
 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 02:15:44 EST
 Sender: mercedes-boun...@striplin.net
 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 2340
 
 
 In a message dated 11/9/2005 6:15:19 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
 t...@brdgstn.com writes:
 
 Contemplaing doing timing chain overdue at 270K miles.  I have  been
 doing some research.  It appears a chain buddy;, ie standby  helper is
 required. Can this job be done totally solo?  I have not  met any of my
 neighbors or friends/wifes/kids or enemies who gives a rats  a-- for my
 77 300D or would be worthy or interested in  helping.
 
 
 
 Tom,
 
 I have done 3 chains solo, and never dropped a link.  The most recent
 was the easiest, due to a tip from one of the listers.  I  tied  the end
 of a long bungee cord overhead and used that to take up the old  chain.
 You tie it offset from center of the car, and not too  high, so that the
 new chain always is pulled over the cam gear.  My  basket ball pole was
 handy and I used that. This frees up you to  turn the crank and watch the
 new chain feed in.  Figure on moving the  bungee hook in the chain about
 4 times so you don't have to stretch it too  tight.
 
 Two caveats.  
 
 You MUST relieve cranking pressure by pulling the glow plugs (my choice)
 or the injectors.  The new chain goes in so much easier, and there is no
 chance of an accidental power stroke.
 
 Before you break the chain, you should always tie the chain ends to  the
 cam gear so that if anything goes wrong you still have your timing.
 Also make sure that the service link picks up all the link plates on both
 chains  or one will fold back and the result will block the chain from
 clearing the  crank gear as clearance is very tight there.  Once you have
 the new chain  attached to the old chain, and tension on the old chain
 with the bungee,  you can cut the ties.  Same deal when you are done and
 ready to splice the  chain--tie those ends down!  Do not trust your grip
 in this oily  environment! 
 On many models you must remove the chain tensioner, because they have a  
 stepping mechanism in them that takes up the slack as the chain wears.
 You cannot push this kind back. I like this kind the best because they do
 not rattle when the engine is first started.  Many install a new
 tensioner with any  new chain job.  It is certain that you will see heavy
 spring wear on your  old one, should you take the piston out to reload it 
 
 Good luck, you can do this!  
 
 Jim  Friesen
 Phoenix AZ
 79 300SD, 261 K miles 
 98 ML 320, 138 K  miles
 
 =
 
 From: Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com
 To: Mercedes mailing list merce...@striplin.net
 Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list merce...@striplin.net
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D timing chain replacement
 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:36:27 -0600
 Sender: mercedes-boun...@striplin.net
 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14
 
 I've always done the chain solo.  I like to tie or vicegrip the chain to 
 the cam sprocket before breaking a link.  I also tie a small wire to each 
 side of the chain before i break it.  I have learned to stuff rags in the 
 chaincase cavity in case you DO drop something.  (Need to pull the rags
 out before you actually roll in

Re: [MBZ] Mini split ductless heat pump


dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

Ok. Now I know what you guys are talking about. My father installed one years 
ago in a flat in Athens, Greece where I grew up. It was mounted high up near 
the ceiling. Compressor was outside on balcony. We used it for AC. Are these 
that good for heat as well?


The ones from the top manufacturers (Mitsubishi, Fujitsu, Daikin, maybe 
LG,Samsung,Toshiba) with DC compressor motors are. The key phrase is 'inverter 
drive'. Often with oversize compressors, they loaf along during A/C and mild 
weather heating, then go to full power (and sometimes beyond) when it gets 
really cold outside.


My Fuji is AHRI rated to put out 12,000 BTU/hr at 47° ambient but it's capable 
of running from 1700 to 15,000 BTU/hr at that temp. Rated output drops to 8100 
at 17° and 6600 at 5°, I assume max is around 1/4 higher. If you're used to old 
fashioned heat pumps, the fact that it's usable below 17° is a minor miracle.
My house draws about 30,000 BTU/hr when it's 0°F outside, I hope to get that 
down around 24,000, so a single 3/4 ton mini split is just a supplement to the 
furnace like having a fireplace in the living room.


The Hyper Heat Mitsus and the RLS series Fujis are really impressive in heat 
mode when they overdrive the compressor at low ambient temps. I think the MSZ-FE 
Mitsus are a real bargain for heat, unfortunately only available in 3/4 ton and 
1 ton sizes. The comparable Fuji costs 20% more, and the top of the line Daikin 
50% more.



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Re: [MBZ] Mini split ductless heat pump

Yes some do both.

--R (sent from my miniPad)

On Dec 28, 2012, at 7:46 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

Ok. Now I know what you guys are talking about. My father installed one years 
ago in a flat in Athens, Greece where I grew up. It was mounted high up near 
the ceiling. Compressor was outside on balcony. We used it for AC. Are these 
that good for heat as well?

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 27, 2012, at 9:25 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net 
wrote:

 Electric AC and heat pump combined unit or you can just do AC.  The outdoor 
 compressor sends the refrigerant (heaterant?) to the indoor head units which 
 are just a small heat exchanger, controller, and fan.  Run 2 insulated pipes 
 and a 4-wire power/control bundle between the outdoor and indoor units and 
 yer good ta go.
 
 --R (sent from my miniPad)
 
 On Dec 27, 2012, at 8:09 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Does this heater run on electricity or some sort of fuel?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 27, 2012, at 4:28 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
 
 Seems like Rich mentioned mini splits in his new addition.
 I recently bought Fujitsu's 2nd tier 3/4 ton unit (23 SEER / 11 HSPF) and 
 finally got it installed and operational this afternoon.
 
 I hung it in the living room, intending to use it like a small wood stove to 
 make the furnace run less. I also bought a 2nd thermostat for the main 
 furnace so that I could call for heat from my bedroom in the opposite end of 
 the house from the mini split.
 
 After an hour of operation with the mini split set for 74°, the hall 
 thermostat reads 72°. (it's 28°F and sunny outside and the hall t-stat is 
 set for 68°, so no furnace with the mini split running unless I set up the 
 bedroom t-stat). It's interesting how much that little thing can warm my 
 30x40' house.
 
 Mitch.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Timing chain replacement advice


dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

Thanks. This is great stuff. About the tool; I'm not sure how it works. It 
keeps the chain against the cam but doesn't the chain still have to be pulled 
to feed it through and keep things taught?


Yes, it lets you turn the engine carefully while feeding a new chain down the 
drivers side of the cam sprocket and pulling the old chain off the passenger 
side without the chain falling off the sprockets. Usually takes one or two 
people to feed the chains while another turns the crank bolt.


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Re: [MBZ] Bread WAS: OK - anybody there? 9u5udu3u

I was looking at plans and vids for those a couple weeks ago.  On my long-term 
list too!

--R (sent from my miniPad)

On Dec 27, 2012, at 11:18 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

Sheesh - Some folks build backyard wood fired ovens. is on my honey-do
list now. What a small world this is.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 
  Most home ovens have wide differential in the thermostat, and the
 thermostat is often not very accurate too.  Some folks build backyard wood
 fired ovens.  Those can be nice but are cumbersome to use.
 
 OK Don
2001 ML320
2012 Passat TDI DSG
1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager
1957 C182A
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Re: [MBZ] Lenovo T-61

2012-12-28 Thread Tim C

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 5:10 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote:

 Grandson gave me a Lenovo T-61 he used through 4 years of college.  No p/w
 is available so he said I'll have to wipe the hd and load my own os on it.
 My copy of WinXP started loading from a CD but stopped because it could
 not find any hd's?


Could be a partition labeling issue.


 I would guess this is a security feature installed by the university?


Maybe whole drive encryption?  Why would they install that on a student's
laptop though?  And odd that it wouldn't require a password to boot the HDD.


 Can someone suggest a way to wipe the hd so I can install my copy of winxp?


I have used
http://sourceforge.net/projects/systemrescuecd/

but any bootable Linux distribution should be able to let you boot, start
up gparted or fdisk, and blow away whatever you please, unless there is
some kind of hardware integration on the Thinkpads or that particular drive.


 I went to startup and changed the order with the cd starting first.
  That allowed my winxp disc to boot until it stopped because it could not
 find the hd.
 The hdd diagnostic program takes one minute per gig.  Since the installed
 os boots up every time without problems, I didn't run it.


If the diagnostic utility is that slow you might have a bad drive, it would
be worth running it overnight just to see.

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Lenovo T-61

Dowload a copy of the Universal Boot CD. There are password reset utilities on 
it that will allow you to reset the administrator password and get into the 
machine.

Dan

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On Dec 28, 2012, at 5:10 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:

 Grandson gave me a Lenovo T-61 he used through 4 years of college.  No p/w is 
 available so he said I'll have to wipe the hd and load my own os on it.
 My copy of WinXP started loading from a CD but stopped because it could not 
 find any hd's?
 I would guess this is a security feature installed by the university?
 Can someone suggest a way to wipe the hd so I can install my copy of winxp?
 
 When I access the boot menu it provides a choice of the following:
 1. atapi cdo: matshitadvd ram uj-86
 4. ata hddo: fujitsu mh22160bh g1
 5. pci lan: iba ge slot 00c8 v124
 (enter setup)
 
 After entering BIOS setup utility I get a choice of the following:
 
 config
 security
 startup
 restart
 HDD diagnostic program
 
 and then a list of hardware data.
 
 I went to startup and changed the order with the cd starting first.  That 
 allowed my winxp disc to boot until it stopped because it could not find the 
 hd.
 The hdd diagnostic program takes one minute per gig.  Since the installed os 
 boots up every time without problems, I didn't run it.
 Thanks,
 Gerry 
 
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Re: [MBZ] How much is 90 degrees?

2012-12-28 Thread Rusty Cullens

A little more than 89 and a little less than 91. Still pretty hot for this
time of year though!

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Dieselhead
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 5:21 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] How much is 90 degrees?

When torquing the OM 60x stretch headbolts, after pretorquing, you are to
turn them 90º, wait 10 min, then turn another 90º for the final stretch, and
torque.  When turning the final 90º it feels like the bolts yield, as
designed, for part of the final 90º.

Here is my question:  I use triple square bit with a 13mm hex. Then a 13mm
socket on a 12 
extension, topped by a breaker bar.  On the first torque, there is maybe 10º
flex between the final position with the handle torqued and the untorqued
position of the handle at rest.  Do you measure the 90º at the handle,
resulting in the bolt being turned maybe 80-85º, or do you turn the handle
past 90 so that the head of the bolt 
turns 90º?   I turned the handle past and sort of 
split the difference between the loaded and unloaded handle position.  Since
I could feel the bolts yield and stretch on the last turn, I 
figger this is close enough.   I am a bit 
surprised waycee jitney doesn't sell a degree wheel of some sort for this.
I am even more surprised that Daimler/MB does not insist on using a special
tool to get precisely 90º on the 
turn.   I guess the 90º is meant for the bolt 
head, but I was wondering how others have handled this vagary in the past.

As specific as some instructions are in the book, it seems a bit odd that
the head bolt torquing procedure is not very specific.  I guess in der
faterland, they expect every apprentice is taught this first.  It would seem
that the bolt heads should at least have a pointer stamped in them.


The first time I encountered stretch headbolts was on Deutz engines in the
late 70s.  I think maybe KHD was ahead of Daimler Benz/MB on 
adopting the stretch bolts.   But for the Deutz, 
we were playing around with new engines.  Not 
exactly real world.   I don't remember exactly 
when MB made the switchover to stretch bolts for the OM engines.  I think it
was somewhere around
1979 or 1980.  Certainly there were not many replaced until the OM60x series
of engines came out, with the cracking  14 heads.


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Re: [MBZ] Now I have a bios problem

2012-12-28 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

Ok I did this put it back together and when you power it on you can hear hard 
drive power up and fan just sort of surges but never does anything else. Green 
power lite stays on solid.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 27, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote:

 I believe it's 10 or 20, and very rapidly.
 
 Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
 '98 ML320 Max (159,xxx mi)
 
 On 12/27/2012 8:21 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
 For the most part, you can't, short of replacing the EPROM.
 
 If we had this happen on one of our HPs, it went back to HP and they 
 typically replaced the motherboard.
 
 Since this is a Lenovo you can remove the RAM and CMOS battery and press the 
 power button a bunch of times, then reassemble and see if that resurrects it.
 
 Dan
 
 
 On Dec 27, 2012, at 9:13 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
 
 I was updating the bios on another x100e, which I have done many times, 
 this time the loader locked up, followed by the whole computer. Would not 
 do anything. Only think I could do was pull the power, now of course it's 
 dead. How do you restore a bios?
 
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Re: [MBZ] Lenovo T-61

2012-12-28 Thread John Reames

That drive is not an FDE drive; there were only a couple of FDE drives in the 
T61's, and they were hitachi or seagate.  (I've got a couple of T61p's that are 
still working well.)

They were made for vista from the factory, but had XP as an option.  They run 7 
and Linux without an issue.

--
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jream...@verizon.net
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On Dec 28, 2012, at 9:23, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote:

 On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 5:10 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote:
 
 Grandson gave me a Lenovo T-61 he used through 4 years of college.  No p/w
 is available so he said I'll have to wipe the hd and load my own os on it.
 My copy of WinXP started loading from a CD but stopped because it could
 not find any hd's?
 
 Could be a partition labeling issue.
 
 
 I would guess this is a security feature installed by the university?
 
 Maybe whole drive encryption?  Why would they install that on a student's
 laptop though?  And odd that it wouldn't require a password to boot the HDD.
 
 
 Can someone suggest a way to wipe the hd so I can install my copy of winxp?
 
 I have used
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/systemrescuecd/
 
 but any bootable Linux distribution should be able to let you boot, start
 up gparted or fdisk, and blow away whatever you please, unless there is
 some kind of hardware integration on the Thinkpads or that particular drive.
 
 
 I went to startup and changed the order with the cd starting first.
 That allowed my winxp disc to boot until it stopped because it could not
 find the hd.
 The hdd diagnostic program takes one minute per gig.  Since the installed
 os boots up every time without problems, I didn't run it.
 
 If the diagnostic utility is that slow you might have a bad drive, it would
 be worth running it overnight just to see.
 
 Best,
 Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Lenovo T-61

2012-12-28 Thread Brian Toscano

On at least some T-61's there is a compatibility mode in the boot setup
screen that you may need to toggle.  I have do to that on my T410 when
using imaging software.


On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 8:01 AM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote:

 That drive is not an FDE drive; there were only a couple of FDE drives in
 the T61's, and they were hitachi or seagate.  (I've got a couple of T61p's
 that are still working well.)

 They were made for vista from the factory, but had XP as an option.  They
 run 7 and Linux without an issue.

 --
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 Mobile: +14437915905

 On Dec 28, 2012, at 9:23, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote:

  On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 5:10 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Grandson gave me a Lenovo T-61 he used through 4 years of college.  No
 p/w
  is available so he said I'll have to wipe the hd and load my own os on
 it.
  My copy of WinXP started loading from a CD but stopped because it could
  not find any hd's?
 
  Could be a partition labeling issue.
 
 
  I would guess this is a security feature installed by the university?
 
  Maybe whole drive encryption?  Why would they install that on a student's
  laptop though?  And odd that it wouldn't require a password to boot the
 HDD.
 
 
  Can someone suggest a way to wipe the hd so I can install my copy of
 winxp?
 
  I have used
  http://sourceforge.net/projects/systemrescuecd/
 
  but any bootable Linux distribution should be able to let you boot, start
  up gparted or fdisk, and blow away whatever you please, unless there is
  some kind of hardware integration on the Thinkpads or that particular
 drive.
 
 
  I went to startup and changed the order with the cd starting first.
  That allowed my winxp disc to boot until it stopped because it could not
  find the hd.
  The hdd diagnostic program takes one minute per gig.  Since the
 installed
  os boots up every time without problems, I didn't run it.
 
  If the diagnostic utility is that slow you might have a bad drive, it
 would
  be worth running it overnight just to see.
 
  Best,
  Tim
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[MBZ] Rusty comes through again x 2

Yesterday afternoon, around 2-3 pm, I called Mr. Q,  aka Rusty, 
because I misplaced the valve cover gasket for the OM603 I am working 
on.  The gasket just arrived.  That is something like 18-19 hours 
from the order.   When the machine shop was ready for the valve 
guides, they arrived in 2 days vs. the week it normally takes to get 
shipments.


BTW, the valve cover gasket with next day air was less than driving 5 
miles to the local stealership here and paying their price.  It was 
faster and cheaper to get it from Q.  I am sure the stealer would 
have had to order it and I'd have to pay freight on top of their 
price that was already higher than price plus frt from Q.  And, it 
would have taken longer for the stealership to get the gasket in.


True to Q of Bond, James Bond, fame Rusty has all the gadgets to keep 
the agents working


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Re: [MBZ] Lenovo T-61

How old is the laptop? I suspect your copy of WinXP is older than the laptop 
which probably requires SP3. I had this same issue with a Dell M90 laptop.
It might be worth contacting Lenovo and see if they'll send you the initial 
install media. Thats what I did with the Dell and it worked out great. 
Otherwise maybe take a look on eBay for either an XP Sp3 disk or the original 
media for your machine.

IIRC somebody had a magic plan to slip an older disk up to SP3 but I don't 
remember how.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 05:10:45 -0500
From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Lenovo T-61
Message-ID: CB9749E3D61C46F6927DEE4C7F016F07@PC466116028214
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
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Grandson gave me a Lenovo T-61 he used through 4 years of college.  No p/w 
is available so he said I'll have to wipe the hd and load my own os on it.
My copy of WinXP started loading from a CD but stopped because it could not 
find any hd's?
I would guess this is a security feature installed by the university?
Can someone suggest a way to wipe the hd so I can install my copy of winxp?

When I access the boot menu it provides a choice of the following:
1. atapi cdo: matshitadvd ram uj-86
4. ata hddo: fujitsu mh22160bh g1
5. pci lan: iba ge slot 00c8 v124
(enter setup)

After entering BIOS setup utility I get a choice of the following:

config
security
startup
restart
HDD diagnostic program

and then a list of hardware data.

I went to startup and changed the order with the cd starting first.  That 
allowed my winxp disc to boot until it stopped because it could not find the 
hd.
The hdd diagnostic program takes one minute per gig.  Since the installed os 
boots up every time without problems, I didn't run it.
Thanks,
Gerry 


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Re: [MBZ] Lenovo T-61

Just Google slipstreaming and you'll find plenty of information on how to do 
this.

Dan


On Dec 28, 2012, at 10:53 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:

 How old is the laptop? I suspect your copy of WinXP is older than the laptop 
 which probably requires SP3. I had this same issue with a Dell M90 laptop.
 It might be worth contacting Lenovo and see if they'll send you the initial 
 install media. Thats what I did with the Dell and it worked out great. 
 Otherwise maybe take a look on eBay for either an XP Sp3 disk or the original 
 media for your machine.
 
 IIRC somebody had a magic plan to slip an older disk up to SP3 but I don't 
 remember how.
 
 -Curt
 
 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 05:10:45 -0500
 From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: [MBZ] Lenovo T-61
 Message-ID: CB9749E3D61C46F6927DEE4C7F016F07@PC466116028214
 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
reply-type=original
 
 Grandson gave me a Lenovo T-61 he used through 4 years of college.  No p/w 
 is available so he said I'll have to wipe the hd and load my own os on it.
 My copy of WinXP started loading from a CD but stopped because it could not 
 find any hd's?
 I would guess this is a security feature installed by the university?
 Can someone suggest a way to wipe the hd so I can install my copy of winxp?
 
 When I access the boot menu it provides a choice of the following:
 1. atapi cdo: matshitadvd ram uj-86
 4. ata hddo: fujitsu mh22160bh g1
 5. pci lan: iba ge slot 00c8 v124
 (enter setup)
 
 After entering BIOS setup utility I get a choice of the following:
 
 config
 security
 startup
 restart
 HDD diagnostic program
 
 and then a list of hardware data.
 
 I went to startup and changed the order with the cd starting first.  That 
 allowed my winxp disc to boot until it stopped because it could not find the 
 hd.
 The hdd diagnostic program takes one minute per gig.  Since the installed os 
 boots up every time without problems, I didn't run it.
 Thanks,
 Gerry 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OK - anybody there?

That sounds like a lot of work... ;)
I like Hecker's flour, its only available at my local IGA of all places. We do 
have some locally sourced flour thats also very good. I agree that flour makes 
or breaks the bread. That said I've made some good bread from just plain old 
all purpose flour too...

I take:
3c flour
1 1/2 cup water
5/8 tsp yeast
1 tsp salt
1 tbsp maple syrup

mix it all in a bowl until the flour is all incorporated, put plastic wrap over 
the bowl and leave over night.
Next day I put the dutch oven in the oven at 450F, lay out a tea towel and 
flour it well, dump the dough onto the towel, flour it a bit, stretch it a bit, 
fold it over onto itself and wait 30 minutes.

After the wait pull the dutch oven out of the oven, toss some wheat bran or 
oatmeal or cornmeal or whatever into the bottom so the bread won't stick. 
Stretch the dough one more time and fold it back up into a blob, drop the blob 
into the bottom of the pot, put on the lid and back in the oven for 30 minutes.
After 30 minutes pull the lid off the pot and do another 10-15 minutes 
depending on how dark you like your crust.

Easy peasy. I did 6 loaves on Christmas eve (well plus the night before) in two 
runs as I now have 3 dutch ovens.
I even did this bread in the Coleman oven once: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eQWbF0oVkc

-Curt

Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:18:07 -0600
From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OK - anybody there?
Message-ID: 4592a937-5420-4336-8001-f8ec7f52e...@earthlink.net
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The key to good bread is proper flour, good yeast (not the stuff in  
packets at the grocery) and kneading.  King Aurthur Bread Flour, SAF  
bulk yeast in the red package ($4.95 from King Aurthur) and you can  
hardly go wrong.

Keading I do the easy way, a Kitchen Aid K5 circa 1965, makes  
wonderful bread out of just about any four, even barely suitable stuff.

Best to mix the liquid, yeast, and part of the flour and let the yeast  
work for 15-20 min, then add the rest of the four, knead, rise, shape,  
rise again.  Adds greatly to that wonderful yeast flavor.

All purpose flour tends to the fragile and mushy side when making  
bread I've discovered, and adding some durum flour helps quite a bit,  
although hand kneading bread with durum wheat flour is not for the  
weak, you're going to be at it for a while!

Nothing beats fresh bread -- if my brother and nephew happen to drop  
by while I'm baking on Saturday, as they often do, the first loaf  
never cools completely, being consumed instead.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] Rusty comes through again x 2

2012-12-28 Thread Bob Rentfro

Nice work, Rusty.

Bob R
On Dec 28, 2012 8:33 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

Yesterday afternoon, around 2-3 pm, I called Mr. Q, aka Rusty, because I
misplaced the valve cover gasket for the OM603 I am working on. The gasket
just arrived. That is something like 18-19 hours from the order. When
the machine shop was ready for the valve guides, they arrived in 2 days vs.
the week it normally takes to get shipments.

BTW, the valve cover gasket with next day air was less than driving 5
miles to the local stealership here and paying their price. It was faster
and cheaper to get it from Q. I am sure the stealer would have had to
order it and I'd have to pay freight on top of their price that was already
higher than price plus frt from Q. And, it would have taken longer for the
stealership to get the gasket in.

True to Q of Bond, James Bond, fame Rusty has all the gadgets to keep the
agents working

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Re: [MBZ] Rusty comes through again x 2

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 09:26:49 -0600 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 True to Q of Bond, James Bond, fame Rusty has all the gadgets to keep 
 the agents working

ATTABOY, Rusty!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Bread

We bought: 
http://www.amazon.com/Build-Your-Earth-Oven-Edition/dp/096798467X/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8qid=1356710677sr=8-14keywords=wood+fired+pizza+oven

Which has some fairly simple, low cost, build 'em yourself ovens. He focuses on 
bread but talks about pizza too. In the spring we're going to move our potato 
beds to the front of the house where we took out some bushes and build an oven. 
It'll be interesting to see if my wife is as into it when its done as she is 
now...

-Curt

Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 22:18:50 -0600
From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bread WAS: OK - anybody there? 9u5udu3u
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Sheesh - Some folks build backyard wood fired ovens. is on my honey-do
list now. What a small world this is.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:


   Most home ovens have wide differential in the thermostat, and the
 thermostat is often not very accurate too.  Some folks build backyard wood
 fired ovens.  Those can be nice but are cumbersome to use.



 OK Don
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2012 Passat TDI DSG
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Re: [MBZ] Timing chain replacement advice

2012-12-28 Thread Andrew Strasfogel

Hey Dimitri,

You should have changed the timing chain at 100K miles so first roll
back the odometer.

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 7:12 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
 dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Thanks. This is great stuff. About the tool; I'm not sure how it works. It
 keeps the chain against the cam but doesn't the chain still have to be
 pulled to feed it through and keep things taught?


 Yes, it lets you turn the engine carefully while feeding a new chain down
 the drivers side of the cam sprocket and pulling the old chain off the
 passenger side without the chain falling off the sprockets. Usually takes
 one or two people to feed the chains while another turns the crank bolt.


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[MBZ] Skunky Front Loading Washer - OT

Just thought I would toss this out for any list member that might have a front 
loading washer they have odor problems with

If you had an older front loading washer, you may, from time to time, 
experience issues with mold or a skunky smell in the drum.  You can clean the 
mold from around the door seal where it usually occurs, but getting the odor 
out of the drum can be problematic.

There are front load washer cleaning solutions, and you can also drain the pump 
sump regularly to avoid any nasty stuff accumulating in the sump.  However, 
this still may not completely remove the skunky odor.

I was having this problem with our 2007 GE front loader, and no matter how much 
effort I put into it, the odor would always return after a few loads.

Some research yielded a solution:

When manufacturers realized this was an issue, they started efforts to improve 
ventilation of the washer drums.  They did this in a number of different ways, 
all of which seemed to alleviate the problem.  That did little for those of us 
with older models, however.

I found someone who created a retrofit for older front loading washers that was 
nothing more than a small pancake fan like you would have in a desktop computer 
enclosure used to ventilate the drum on a constant basis.  While this is a nice 
solution, I was reluctant to pay the $60-$70 for such a thing, realizing the 
parts were probably something I had laying around the house - and I did!

With a 1-1/4 rubber coupling, a 6 PVC drain tailpiece, a 12VDC CPU cooling 
fan and a 12VDC wall transformer, I made my own ventilation fan.  Total cost: 
about $6, as I only had to buy the coupling and tailpiece.  The rest of it I 
had in my junk box.

The coupling allowed me to connect the tailpiece to the vent tube sticking out 
of the back of my washing machine.  The CPU fan, centered on the end of the 
tailpiece flange, just had four self tapping sheet metal screws to hold it to 
the flange, and I soldered and sealed the wires from the wall transformer.  
Voila!

I have only had it in place for a day, so there are no observable results yet, 
but I'm going to keep a close eye (and nose) on it to see how things develop.  
It's plenty quiet, but the $60-$70 kit that's sold uses a 5VDC fan and a USB 
wall charger such as you would have for an iPod is probably quieter.  I have 
some 5VDC CPU fans as well, but I didn't have a 5VDC supply, so I figured I 
would start out with the larger fan and see if it was annoying.

I don't think it's an issue of volume, more so an issue of just keeping some 
air moving through the drum so what water remains after a wash cycle evaporates 
and doesn't get nasty.  You have to make sure the door remains slightly open 
when not in use as well, but that's a recommendation that is made by the 
manufacturer anyway.

Even if you had to buy all of the parts to do this you could probably do it for 
under $25.

And now to add a ceiling light fixture in the hallway in from of the pantry (so 
we can see in it, especially at night)

Dan



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Re: [MBZ] Timing chain replacement advice

Haha. It's not mileage but stretch. Last I checked mine was at 5 degrees. 
So are you helping out? Everyone here recommends one person to turn crankshaft 
and two people to pull and feed the chain - you, me, Gael!

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 28, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey Dimitri,
 
 You should have changed the timing chain at 100K miles so first roll
 back the odometer.
 
 On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 7:12 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
 dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Thanks. This is great stuff. About the tool; I'm not sure how it works. It
 keeps the chain against the cam but doesn't the chain still have to be
 pulled to feed it through and keep things taught?
 
 
 Yes, it lets you turn the engine carefully while feeding a new chain down
 the drivers side of the cam sprocket and pulling the old chain off the
 passenger side without the chain falling off the sprockets. Usually takes
 one or two people to feed the chains while another turns the crank bolt.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Rusty comes through again x 2


Yep, 'nother ATTABOY!

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net

To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rusty comes through again x 2



On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 09:26:49 -0600 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:


True to Q of Bond, James Bond, fame Rusty has all the gadgets to keep
the agents working


ATTABOY, Rusty!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Bread WAS: OK - anybody there? 9u5udu3u

My biggest problem is that there is almost no clay where we live now. First
time in my life where the soil isn't mostly clay, and I want to build a
clay oven.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

SINCE YOU NOW HAVE MORE MONEY THAN TIME, (rght) there are some nice
kits out now to build the backyard oven.

Sheesh - Some folks build backyard wood fired ovens. is on my honey-do
list now. What a small world this is.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

Most home ovens have wide differential in the thermostat, and the
thermostat is often not very accurate too. Some folks build backyard
wood
fired ovens. Those can be nice but are cumbersome to use.

OK Don

2001 ML320
2012 Passat TDI DSG
1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager
1957 C182A
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Re: [MBZ] Bread WAS: OK - anybody there? 9u5udu3u

I have lots of sand if you need it

Dan


On Dec 28, 2012, at 12:19 PM, OK Don wrote:

 My biggest problem is that there is almost no clay where we live now. First
 time in my life where the soil isn't mostly clay, and I want to build a
 clay oven.
 


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Re: [MBZ] Bread

That's the same book we bought - and yes, my plans are for spring - we can
compare how our wives respond to a real oven when they're done :)

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

We bought:
http://www.amazon.com/Build-Your-Earth-Oven-Edition/dp/096798467X/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8qid=1356710677sr=8-14keywords=wood+fired+pizza+oven

Which has some fairly simple, low cost, build 'em yourself ovens. He
focuses on bread but talks about pizza too. In the spring we're going to
move our potato beds to the front of the house where we took out some
bushes and build an oven. It'll be interesting to see if my wife is as into
it when its done as she is now...

-Curt

Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 22:18:50 -0600
From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bread WAS: OK - anybody there? 9u5udu3u
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Sheesh - Some folks build backyard wood fired ovens. is on my honey-do
list now. What a small world this is.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

Most home ovens have wide differential in the thermostat, and the
thermostat is often not very accurate too. Some folks build backyard
wood
fired ovens. Those can be nice but are cumbersome to use.

OK Don
2001 ML320
2012 Passat TDI DSG
1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager
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Re: [MBZ] Bread WAS: OK - anybody there? 9u5udu3u

We live on sandstone - a little hammer work and we have sand. It's clay
that's missing!

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

 I have lots of sand if you need it

 Dan


 On Dec 28, 2012, at 12:19 PM, OK Don wrote:

  My biggest problem is that there is almost no clay where we live now.
 First
  time in my life where the soil isn't mostly clay, and I want to build a
  clay oven.
 


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Re: [MBZ] Timing chain replacement advice

2012-12-28 Thread Andrew Strasfogel

I'm unfortunately not available to help out this time.

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 10:38 AM,  dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Haha. It's not mileage but stretch. Last I checked mine was at 5 degrees.
 So are you helping out? Everyone here recommends one person to turn 
 crankshaft and two people to pull and feed the chain - you, me, Gael!

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 28, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey Dimitri,

 You should have changed the timing chain at 100K miles so first roll
 back the odometer.

 On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 7:12 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
 dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Thanks. This is great stuff. About the tool; I'm not sure how it works. It
 keeps the chain against the cam but doesn't the chain still have to be
 pulled to feed it through and keep things taught?


 Yes, it lets you turn the engine carefully while feeding a new chain down
 the drivers side of the cam sprocket and pulling the old chain off the
 passenger side without the chain falling off the sprockets. Usually takes
 one or two people to feed the chains while another turns the crank bolt.


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Re: [MBZ] Timing chain replacement advice

Maybe next time. 200K miles away!

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 28, 2012, at 2:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm unfortunately not available to help out this time.
 
 On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 10:38 AM,  dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Haha. It's not mileage but stretch. Last I checked mine was at 5 degrees.
 So are you helping out? Everyone here recommends one person to turn 
 crankshaft and two people to pull and feed the chain - you, me, Gael!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 28, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hey Dimitri,
 
 You should have changed the timing chain at 100K miles so first roll
 back the odometer.
 
 On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 7:12 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
 dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Thanks. This is great stuff. About the tool; I'm not sure how it works. It
 keeps the chain against the cam but doesn't the chain still have to be
 pulled to feed it through and keep things taught?
 
 
 Yes, it lets you turn the engine carefully while feeding a new chain down
 the drivers side of the cam sprocket and pulling the old chain off the
 passenger side without the chain falling off the sprockets. Usually takes
 one or two people to feed the chains while another turns the crank bolt.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area

2012-12-28 Thread r

Hey Andrew, how are you? This is an official gratitude post for your
recommendation.  I met with Luis and he spent much time with me.  It was
a good education; he is awesome!  We found some additional areas in the
back windows at the . I would have NEVER known to look there. I will
post some abreviated details soon.  I can now move on to the next step. 
I have put together a list of events surrounding this purchase, but not
sure if I should post all of it.  It is long and everyone may not want
to read all of that, if not I can send off the list, but I think it
could be important info for anyone.  I have attempted to just state the
facts.  I am also going to post photos on a website link.  This is not a
situation anyone wants to find themselves in.  I have been advised by
E-bay and the Montgomery Office of Consumer Affairs so far.  A big
thanks to everyone else who provided input.  

R 
 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC
Area
From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, December 23, 2012 1:32 pm
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com

Yes but it's in Rockville, MD: In and Out Auto Body. Very reasonable
and they do good work. Ask for Luis and say that I recommended them.
301-340-0393

On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:


 Dan Penoff wrote:

 If the rockers and/or jack points need to be repaired/replaced, it's
 usually cost prohibitive to do so.


 Yep, but if a body shop screwed it up, he might be trying to assess damages
 to claim against them. Does Andrew S. have a good MBZ body shop he deals
 with?

 Mitch.


 

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Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area

Let all of us hear/read it all; some are interested in this, some that. 
As a group, we're probably interested in all of it.  Don't be bashful; let 
us have it all.


Wilton

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Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area



Hey Andrew, how are you? This is an official gratitude post for your
recommendation.  I met with Luis and he spent much time with me.  It was
a good education; he is awesome!  We found some additional areas in the
back windows at the . I would have NEVER known to look there. I will
post some abreviated details soon.  I can now move on to the next step.
I have put together a list of events surrounding this purchase, but not
sure if I should post all of it.  It is long and everyone may not want
to read all of that, if not I can send off the list, but I think it
could be important info for anyone.  I have attempted to just state the
facts.  I am also going to post photos on a website link.  This is not a
situation anyone wants to find themselves in.  I have been advised by
E-bay and the Montgomery Office of Consumer Affairs so far.  A big
thanks to everyone else who provided input.

R

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC
Area
From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, December 23, 2012 1:32 pm
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com

Yes but it's in Rockville, MD: In and Out Auto Body. Very reasonable
and they do good work. Ask for Luis and say that I recommended them.
301-340-0393

On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:



Dan Penoff wrote:


If the rockers and/or jack points need to be repaired/replaced, it's
usually cost prohibitive to do so.



Yep, but if a body shop screwed it up, he might be trying to assess 
damages

to claim against them. Does Andrew S. have a good MBZ body shop he deals
with?

Mitch.





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Re: [MBZ] OK - anybody there?

2012-12-28 Thread Greg Fiorentino

Which Retsel do you have?  Their hand-crank ones look like some major
exercise!  I am wondering if it would be possible and practical to utilize
the PTO on the KitchenAid to drive the manual one with the crank removed?
Retsel's motorized option is a 1/2 horse motor; I doubt if the KA motor has
that much oomph.  Any of you engineer types have a thought on this?  The
Retsel with motor is a big investment and takes up major space!

I love the KitchenAid for many things, but the grain mill attachment doesn't
make a fine enough flour except for adding some whole wheat flour into
store-bought flour to boost flavor and nutrition in breads, rolls and buns.

Greg

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From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mountain
Man
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 4:30 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OK - anybody there?

Peter wrote:
 The key to good bread is proper flour, good yeast (not the stuff in 
 packets at the grocery) and kneading.

Where is the end of knowledge among you guys?
I doubt there is one item we could mention and several add information that
is valuable - wonderful.
We grind our wheat with Retsel McCammon, ID stone grinder.
My favorite breads of late include a seed bread sourdough, starter from my
good friend who fled Poland in 1980.  Our dark rye bread is my favorite for
toast.  I also like our seasonal sweet breads - Venoka which I think is a
russian(?) braided sweet bread with citron fruits and nuts; and then also a
swedish cardamon sweet roll bread - mmm, bread, the staff of life.  Well...
maybe there needs to be a bit of homebrew also... I don't know...
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Lenovo T-61


Do a search for slipstreaming updates and possibly XP Pro.




IIRC somebody had a magic plan to slip an older disk up to SP3 but I 
don't remember how.


-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Bread WAS: OK - anybody there? 9u5udu3u

2012-12-28 Thread Rick Knoble

On Dec 28, 2012, at 11:40 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's clay
 that's missing!


No. He's posted here recently. :-p

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Lenovo T-61




IIRC somebody had a magic plan to slip an older disk up to SP3 but I 
don't remember how.


-Curt


Ok, I was late to the party, and Dan had already answered.

For the terminally lazy, here is a link.  Petri is pretty reliable.
http://www.petri.co.il/windows_xp_sp_slipstreaming.htm

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Re: [MBZ] Bread WAS: OK - anybody there? 9u5udu3u

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 11:40:03 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 We live on sandstone - a little hammer work and we have sand. It's clay
 that's missing!

So you want someone to SEND you some clay soil?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Bread WAS: OK - anybody there? 9u5udu3u


'Bet you could get some from Q.  ;)
NC has a bunch of it, too, well, not far west and NW of here (Goldsboro), 
anyway.


Wilton

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Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bread WAS: OK - anybody there? 9u5udu3u



On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 11:40:03 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:


We live on sandstone - a little hammer work and we have sand. It's clay
that's missing!


So you want someone to SEND you some clay soil?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Bread WAS: OK - anybody there? 9u5udu3u

2012-12-28 Thread Rick Knoble

On Dec 28, 2012, at 4:54 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 'Bet you could get some from Q.  ;)


Red too!

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Bread WAS: OK - anybody there? 9u5udu3u

No - just complaining because we now want what we used to have and
complained about having! Unless you have a desire to drive a pick-up load
full east on I40  :-)

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 4:21 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 11:40:03 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

  We live on sandstone - a little hammer work and we have sand. It's clay
  that's missing!

 So you want someone to SEND you some clay soil?


 Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Bread WAS: OK - anybody there? 9u5udu3u

2012-12-28 Thread buymbparts


I have more red clay than you could ever want. I can shovel it up and ship it 
to you.


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bread WAS: OK - anybody there? 9u5udu3u

'Bet you could get some from Q.  ;)
NC has a bunch of it, too, well, not far west and NW of here (Goldsboro), 
anyway.

Wilton

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To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bread WAS: OK - anybody there? 9u5udu3u


 On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 11:40:03 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 We live on sandstone - a little hammer work and we have sand. It's clay
 that's missing!

 So you want someone to SEND you some clay soil?


 Craig

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[MBZ] Wooo boy!

Got a replacement alternator today from my local Car Quest.

Got the old one back out (had put it back in so I could move the car for snow 
removal) and with them side by side Oh $h*t! they're not the same, the new 
one has a longer shaft and the key sits 1/4 farther away from the body of the 
alternator.
After much screwing around with the alternator in and out of the car I decided 
the problem was the pulley which looks unlike the one on Rusty's site. Back to 
Car Quest where the guy presents me with the big box of pulleys which 
includes I guess all their leftover pulleys, he tells me to take it home and 
see if I can find one that fits.

This is why I got to my local Car Quest.

Anyway after much screwing around I end up taking 2 washers that were slightly 
undersized for the shaft on the alt and using the drum sander in my dremel tool 
to open them up to a good tight fit which spaced the original pulley out pretty 
much perfectly.

Finally got it all buttoned up and I've never been so happy to see 14.4v!

Anyway after so many ins and outs the belt is a little chewed, I'd better 
replace that tomorrow...

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Bread

I have pretty much the same problem. Fortunately my Dad runs a landfill and has 
loads of clay to get rid of, I just need to go over and he'll fill the pickup.

The book we bought references buying some kind of clay in bags as a last 
resort. He likes to use locally sourced and free stuff whenever possible but in 
a pinch...

-Curt

Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 11:19:49 -0600
From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bread WAS: OK - anybody there? 9u5udu3u
Message-ID:
canzcij-e74so0w3fckywjh+y0hf3ltr8qmn-j0ajx5ut_kb...@mail.gmail.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

My biggest problem is that there is almost no clay where we live now. First
time in my life where the soil isn't mostly clay, and I want to build a
clay oven.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 SINCE YOU NOW HAVE MORE MONEY THAN TIME, (rght)  there are some nice
 kits out now to build the backyard oven.

  Sheesh - Some folks build backyard wood fired ovens. is on my honey-do
 list now. What a small world this is.

 On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:


Most home ovens have wide differential in the thermostat, and the
  thermostat is often not very accurate too.  Some folks build backyard
 wood
  fired ovens.  Those can be nice but are cumbersome to use.



   OK Don

 2001 ML320
 2012 Passat TDI DSG
 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager
 1957 C182A

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Re: [MBZ] Bread WAS: OK - anybody there? 9u5udu3u


Yep, 'thought so.  ;)

Wilton

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Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bread WAS: OK - anybody there? 9u5udu3u



I have more red clay than you could ever want. I can shovel it up and ship 
it to you.



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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bread WAS: OK - anybody there? 9u5udu3u

'Bet you could get some from Q.  ;)
NC has a bunch of it, too, well, not far west and NW of here (Goldsboro),
anyway.

Wilton

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To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bread WAS: OK - anybody there? 9u5udu3u



On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 11:40:03 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:


We live on sandstone - a little hammer work and we have sand. It's clay
that's missing!


So you want someone to SEND you some clay soil?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Wooo boy!

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 15:51:56 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond
curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 the new one has a longer shaft and the key sits 1/4 farther away
 from the body of the alternator.
   
 Anyway after much screwing around I end up taking 2 washers that were
 slightly undersized for the shaft on the alt and using the drum sander
 in my dremel tool to open them up to a good tight fit which spaced the
 original pulley out pretty much perfectly.

It's not entirely clear from your description that this modification puts
the pulley on the new one the same distance from the alternator mounting
bracket as it was on the old one.

Is it? Do all of the sheaves (alternator, crank, water pump) line up
properly?


 Finally got it all buttoned up and I've never been so happy to see
 14.4v!

Congratulations!


 Anyway after so many ins and outs the belt is a little chewed, I'd
 better replace that tomorrow...

Sounds like a good idea!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Wooo boy!

All together, now; ATTABOY!

Wilton

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From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com

To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 6:51 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Wooo boy!

Got a replacement alternator today from my local Car Quest.

Got the old one back out (had put it back in so I could move the car for 
snow removal) and with them side by side Oh $h*t! they're not the same, 
the new one has a longer shaft and the key sits 1/4 farther away from the 
body of the alternator.
After much screwing around with the alternator in and out of the car I 
decided the problem was the pulley which looks unlike the one on Rusty's 
site. Back to Car Quest where the guy presents me with the big box of 
pulleys which includes I guess all their leftover pulleys, he tells me to 
take it home and see if I can find one that fits.

This is why I got to my local Car Quest.

Anyway after much screwing around I end up taking 2 washers that were 
slightly undersized for the shaft on the alt and using the drum sander in 
my dremel tool to open them up to a good tight fit which spaced the 
original pulley out pretty much perfectly.

Finally got it all buttoned up and I've never been so happy to see 14.4v!

Anyway after so many ins and outs the belt is a little chewed, I'd better 
replace that tomorrow...

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Bread

They are probably talking about the kind of clay that is used for making 
pottery.  I see it at the schools sometimes - that's the way thy buy it for the 
students' projects.  It's a PITA because the bags are like 90 pounds or some 
outrageous weight and there are few people at elementary schools who can manage 
that sort of weight.

Dan


On Dec 28, 2012, at 6:55 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

 I have pretty much the same problem. Fortunately my Dad runs a landfill and 
 has loads of clay to get rid of, I just need to go over and he'll fill the 
 pickup.
 
 The book we bought references buying some kind of clay in bags as a last 
 resort. He likes to use locally sourced and free stuff whenever possible but 
 in a pinch...
 
 -Curt
 
 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 11:19:49 -0600
 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bread WAS: OK - anybody there? 9u5udu3u
 Message-ID:
canzcij-e74so0w3fckywjh+y0hf3ltr8qmn-j0ajx5ut_kb...@mail.gmail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
 
 My biggest problem is that there is almost no clay where we live now. First
 time in my life where the soil isn't mostly clay, and I want to build a
 clay oven.
 
 On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 SINCE YOU NOW HAVE MORE MONEY THAN TIME, (rght)  there are some nice
 kits out now to build the backyard oven.
 
 Sheesh - Some folks build backyard wood fired ovens. is on my honey-do
 list now. What a small world this is.
 
 On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
   Most home ovens have wide differential in the thermostat, and the
 thermostat is often not very accurate too.  Some folks build backyard
 wood
 fired ovens.  Those can be nice but are cumbersome to use.
 
 
 
  OK Don
 
 2001 ML320
 2012 Passat TDI DSG
 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager
 1957 C182A
 
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Re: [MBZ] Bread


Ya see, Rusty?  There IS a market for it?

Why didn't I think about it in 1944 when we lived on that  red and rocky 
farm in Franklin Co., NC?
It sure as HELL wasn't worth much for growing crops for us.  I remember 
watching 2 of my older brothers trying to plow it behind a mule - plow 
bounced the boys around as they held its handles up trying to get the plow 
dig into the hard, rocky soil.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com

To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bread


I have pretty much the same problem. Fortunately my Dad runs a landfill and 
has loads of clay to get rid of, I just need to go over and he'll fill the 
pickup.


The book we bought references buying some kind of clay in bags as a last 
resort. He likes to use locally sourced and free stuff whenever possible 
but in a pinch...


-Curt

Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 11:19:49 -0600
From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bread WAS: OK - anybody there? 9u5udu3u
Message-ID:
   canzcij-e74so0w3fckywjh+y0hf3ltr8qmn-j0ajx5ut_kb...@mail.gmail.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

My biggest problem is that there is almost no clay where we live now. 
First

time in my life where the soil isn't mostly clay, and I want to build a
clay oven.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:


SINCE YOU NOW HAVE MORE MONEY THAN TIME, (rght)  there are some nice
kits out now to build the backyard oven.

 Sheesh - Some folks build backyard wood fired ovens. is on my honey-do

list now. What a small world this is.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:



   Most home ovens have wide differential in the thermostat, and the
 thermostat is often not very accurate too.  Some folks build backyard
wood
 fired ovens.  Those can be nice but are cumbersome to use.




  OK Don



2001 ML320
2012 Passat TDI DSG
1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager
1957 C182A


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Re: [MBZ] Bread

Yep, like I said - lots of it in NC and GA, etc.  Lot of it goes into 
pottery AND bricks.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bread

They are probably talking about the kind of clay that is used for making 
pottery.  I see it at the schools sometimes - that's the way thy buy it 
for the students' projects.  It's a PITA because the bags are like 90 
pounds or some outrageous weight and there are few people at elementary 
schools who can manage that sort of weight.

Dan

On Dec 28, 2012, at 6:55 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

I have pretty much the same problem. Fortunately my Dad runs a landfill 
and has loads of clay to get rid of, I just need to go over and he'll 
fill the pickup.

The book we bought references buying some kind of clay in bags as a last 
resort. He likes to use locally sourced and free stuff whenever possible 
but in a pinch...

-Curt

Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 11:19:49 -0600
From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bread WAS: OK - anybody there? 9u5udu3u
Message-ID:
   canzcij-e74so0w3fckywjh+y0hf3ltr8qmn-j0ajx5ut_kb...@mail.gmail.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

My biggest problem is that there is almost no clay where we live now. 
First

time in my life where the soil isn't mostly clay, and I want to build a
clay oven.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

SINCE YOU NOW HAVE MORE MONEY THAN TIME, (rght)  there are some nice
kits out now to build the backyard oven.

Sheesh - Some folks build backyard wood fired ovens. is on my honey-do

list now. What a small world this is.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com 
wrote:

  Most home ovens have wide differential in the thermostat, and the
thermostat is often not very accurate too.  Some folks build backyard
wood
fired ovens.  Those can be nice but are cumbersome to use.

 OK Don

2001 ML320
2012 Passat TDI DSG
1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager
1957 C182A

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Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area

2012-12-28 Thread r

OK Wilton, but not till next week. I am not quite done assembling all of
this yet.  The last piece is a mechanical inspection, the one I tried to
get before.  This appt. is set for Wed. Jan 2nd.

Thanks!

R

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC
Area
From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
Date: Fri, December 28, 2012 4:13 pm
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com

Let all of us hear/read it all; some are interested in this, some
that.
As a group, we're probably interested in all of it. Don't be bashful;
let
us have it all.

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: r...@rhonald.me
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC
Area


 Hey Andrew, how are you? This is an official gratitude post for your
 recommendation. I met with Luis and he spent much time with me. It was
 a good education; he is awesome! We found some additional areas in the
 back windows at the . I would have NEVER known to look there. I will
 post some abreviated details soon. I can now move on to the next step.
 I have put together a list of events surrounding this purchase, but not
 sure if I should post all of it. It is long and everyone may not want
 to read all of that, if not I can send off the list, but I think it
 could be important info for anyone. I have attempted to just state the
 facts. I am also going to post photos on a website link. This is not a
 situation anyone wants to find themselves in. I have been advised by
 E-bay and the Montgomery Office of Consumer Affairs so far. A big
 thanks to everyone else who provided input.

 R

  Original Message 
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC
 Area
 From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
 Date: Sun, December 23, 2012 1:32 pm
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com

 Yes but it's in Rockville, MD: In and Out Auto Body. Very reasonable
 and they do good work. Ask for Luis and say that I recommended them.
 301-340-0393

 On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:


 Dan Penoff wrote:

 If the rockers and/or jack points need to be repaired/replaced, it's
 usually cost prohibitive to do so.


 Yep, but if a body shop screwed it up, he might be trying to assess
 damages
 to claim against them. Does Andrew S. have a good MBZ body shop he deals
 with?

 Mitch.




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Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area

'Hope it goes well.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: r...@rhonald.me

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area

OK Wilton, but not till next week. I am not quite done assembling all of
this yet.  The last piece is a mechanical inspection, the one I tried to
get before.  This appt. is set for Wed. Jan 2nd.

Thanks!

R

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC
Area
From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
Date: Fri, December 28, 2012 4:13 pm
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com

Let all of us hear/read it all; some are interested in this, some
that.
As a group, we're probably interested in all of it. Don't be bashful;
let
us have it all.

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: r...@rhonald.me
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC
Area

Hey Andrew, how are you? This is an official gratitude post for your
recommendation. I met with Luis and he spent much time with me. It was
a good education; he is awesome! We found some additional areas in the
back windows at the . I would have NEVER known to look there. I will
post some abreviated details soon. I can now move on to the next step.
I have put together a list of events surrounding this purchase, but not
sure if I should post all of it. It is long and everyone may not want
to read all of that, if not I can send off the list, but I think it
could be important info for anyone. I have attempted to just state the
facts. I am also going to post photos on a website link. This is not a
situation anyone wants to find themselves in. I have been advised by
E-bay and the Montgomery Office of Consumer Affairs so far. A big
thanks to everyone else who provided input.

R

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC
Area
From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, December 23, 2012 1:32 pm
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com

Yes but it's in Rockville, MD: In and Out Auto Body. Very reasonable
and they do good work. Ask for Luis and say that I recommended them.
301-340-0393

On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

Dan Penoff wrote:

If the rockers and/or jack points need to be repaired/replaced, it's
usually cost prohibitive to do so.

Yep, but if a body shop screwed it up, he might be trying to assess
damages
to claim against them. Does Andrew S. have a good MBZ body shop he deals
with?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Bread WAS: OK - anybody there? 9u5udu3u


Rick Knoble wrote:

On Dec 28, 2012, at 4:54 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:


'Bet you could get some from Q.  ;)



Red too!


I remember to this day
The bright red Georgia clay
And how it stuck to the tires
After the summer rain. - Lobo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmZv5ND2YuI

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Re: [MBZ] Wooo boy!

Yeah I'm pretty tired, apologies if that didn't make sense, with some dinner in 
me lets see if I can do better.

There are actually 2 differences in the new alt vs the old one. The shaft is 
longer and the mounting arms mount it farther back. The first is a problem 
because the pulley won't meet the key and the nut won't catch the pulley. The 
latter is obviously an issue because the pulley doesn't line up with the other 
pulleys.

Fixing the latter issue halfway fixes the former so I took my spacers, one went 
under the alternator fan (which was too close on this alt anyway), the other 
just above the fan. That got the pulley pretty well situated, then I added some 
washers between the pulley and the nut which made up the other. Cranked it down 
with the impact gun (how did I ever get by without one?) and she's all good.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 16:59:36 -0700
From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wooo boy!
Message-ID: 20121228165936.f7aef6425a50e8d03ff83...@pisquared.net
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 15:51:56 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond
curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 the new one has a longer shaft and the key sits 1/4 farther away
 from the body of the alternator.
 
 Anyway after much screwing around I end up taking 2 washers that were
 slightly undersized for the shaft on the alt and using the drum sander
 in my dremel tool to open them up to a good tight fit which spaced the
 original pulley out pretty much perfectly.

It's not entirely clear from your description that this modification puts
the pulley on the new one the same distance from the alternator mounting
bracket as it was on the old one.

Is it? Do all of the sheaves (alternator, crank, water pump) line up
properly?


 Finally got it all buttoned up and I've never been so happy to see
 14.4v!

Congratulations!


 Anyway after so many ins and outs the belt is a little chewed, I'd
 better replace that tomorrow...

Sounds like a good idea!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Bread

Which reminds me, I took a pottery class when I was in high school, we had to 
buy our clay unless we wanted to re-work used clay. I forget the process but 
there was a way to moosh used un-fired clay back into usefulness. It was time 
consuming and dirty but there was always plenty of leftover clay to work with.

I wonder if you could call around to your local high schools and get your clay 
that way?

-Curt

Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 19:12:02 -0500
From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bread
Message-ID: 6be1068d-2067-4026-aab7-e92b48f21...@penoff.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

They are probably talking about the kind of clay that is used for making 
pottery.  I see it at the schools sometimes - that's the way thy buy it for the 
students' projects.  It's a PITA because the bags are like 90 pounds or some 
outrageous weight and there are few people at elementary schools who can manage 
that sort of weight.

Dan


On Dec 28, 2012, at 6:55 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

 I have pretty much the same problem. Fortunately my Dad runs a landfill and 
 has loads of clay to get rid of, I just need to go over and he'll fill the 
 pickup.
 
 The book we bought references buying some kind of clay in bags as a last 
 resort. He likes to use locally sourced and free stuff whenever possible but 
 in a pinch...
 
 -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Wooo boy!

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 17:44:03 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond
curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Yeah I'm pretty tired, apologies if that didn't make sense, with some
 dinner in me lets see if I can do better.
 
 There are actually 2 differences in the new alt vs the old one. The
 shaft is longer and the mounting arms mount it farther back. The first
 is a problem because the pulley won't meet the key and the nut won't
 catch the pulley. The latter is obviously an issue because the pulley
 doesn't line up with the other pulleys.
 
 Fixing the latter issue halfway fixes the former so I took my spacers,
 one went under the alternator fan (which was too close on this alt
 anyway), the other just above the fan. That got the pulley pretty well
 situated, then I added some washers between the pulley and the nut
 which made up the other. Cranked it down with the impact gun (how did I
 ever get by without one?) and she's all good.

I'll chime in with Wilton: ATTABOY!!!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Bread

On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 17:46:22 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond
curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I wonder if you could call around to your local high schools and get
 your clay that way?

Do they teach useful things like that anymore?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Skunky Front Loading Washer - OT

2012-12-28 Thread Allan Streib

Our LG front loader doesn't really develop odor very often but when it
does, it has a tub clean cycle, run that with a cup of bleach and it
kills the odor for a good while.

Allan

Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com writes:

 Just thought I would toss this out for any list member that might have a 
 front loading washer they have odor problems with

 If you had an older front loading washer, you may, from time to time, 
 experience issues with mold or a skunky smell in the drum.  You can clean the 
 mold from around the door seal where it usually occurs, but getting the odor 
 out of the drum can be problematic.

 There are front load washer cleaning solutions, and you can also drain the 
 pump sump regularly to avoid any nasty stuff accumulating in the sump.  
 However, this still may not completely remove the skunky odor.

 I was having this problem with our 2007 GE front loader, and no matter how 
 much effort I put into it, the odor would always return after a few loads.

 Some research yielded a solution:

 When manufacturers realized this was an issue, they started efforts to 
 improve ventilation of the washer drums.  They did this in a number of 
 different ways, all of which seemed to alleviate the problem.  That did 
 little for those of us with older models, however.

 I found someone who created a retrofit for older front loading washers that 
 was nothing more than a small pancake fan like you would have in a desktop 
 computer enclosure used to ventilate the drum on a constant basis.  While 
 this is a nice solution, I was reluctant to pay the $60-$70 for such a thing, 
 realizing the parts were probably something I had laying around the house - 
 and I did!

 With a 1-1/4 rubber coupling, a 6 PVC drain tailpiece, a 12VDC CPU cooling 
 fan and a 12VDC wall transformer, I made my own ventilation fan.  Total cost: 
 about $6, as I only had to buy the coupling and tailpiece.  The rest of it I 
 had in my junk box.

 The coupling allowed me to connect the tailpiece to the vent tube sticking 
 out of the back of my washing machine.  The CPU fan, centered on the end of 
 the tailpiece flange, just had four self tapping sheet metal screws to hold 
 it to the flange, and I soldered and sealed the wires from the wall 
 transformer.  Voila!

 I have only had it in place for a day, so there are no observable results 
 yet, but I'm going to keep a close eye (and nose) on it to see how things 
 develop.  It's plenty quiet, but the $60-$70 kit that's sold uses a 5VDC 
 fan and a USB wall charger such as you would have for an iPod is probably 
 quieter.  I have some 5VDC CPU fans as well, but I didn't have a 5VDC supply, 
 so I figured I would start out with the larger fan and see if it was annoying.

 I don't think it's an issue of volume, more so an issue of just keeping some 
 air moving through the drum so what water remains after a wash cycle 
 evaporates and doesn't get nasty.  You have to make sure the door remains 
 slightly open when not in use as well, but that's a recommendation that is 
 made by the manufacturer anyway.

 Even if you had to buy all of the parts to do this you could probably do it 
 for under $25.

 And now to add a ceiling light fixture in the hallway in from of the pantry 
 (so we can see in it, especially at night)

 Dan



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Re: [MBZ] Skunky Front Loading Washer - OT

That's one of the features the the manufacturers came out with to deal with the 
problem. I believe most machines have this feature now. Mine does not, nor did 
any others in GE's product line that year, from what I can determine.

Dan

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On Dec 28, 2012, at 9:15 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:

 Our LG front loader doesn't really develop odor very often but when it
 does, it has a tub clean cycle, run that with a cup of bleach and it
 kills the odor for a good while.
 
 Allan
 

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Re: [MBZ] Bread

You can probably order it from the same suppliers. If anyone wants a name, let 
me know and I will find out who we get ours from.

Dan

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On Dec 28, 2012, at 8:53 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 17:46:22 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond
 curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 I wonder if you could call around to your local high schools and get
 your clay that way?
 
 Do they teach useful things like that anymore?
 
 
 Craig
 
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Re: [MBZ] Bread

I found a guy who digs storm shelters, plants septic tanks, etc. He's going
to bring some of the next clay he runs into. I never thought moving 50
miles would amke this much difference in the soil - thought ALL of Oklahoma
was red clay. Now i have red sandstone (it does make a better runway in the
rain) than clay though.

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Which reminds me, I took a pottery class when I was in high school, we had
 to buy our clay unless we wanted to re-work used clay. I forget the process
 but there was a way to moosh used un-fired clay back into usefulness. It
 was time consuming and dirty but there was always plenty of leftover clay
 to work with.

 I wonder if you could call around to your local high schools and get your
 clay that way?

 -Curt

 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 19:12:02 -0500
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 They are probably talking about the kind of clay that is used for making
 pottery.  I see it at the schools sometimes - that's the way thy buy it for
 the students' projects.  It's a PITA because the bags are like 90 pounds or
 some outrageous weight and there are few people at elementary schools who
 can manage that sort of weight.

 Dan


 On Dec 28, 2012, at 6:55 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

  I have pretty much the same problem. Fortunately my Dad runs a landfill
 and has loads of clay to get rid of, I just need to go over and he'll fill
 the pickup.
 
  The book we bought references buying some kind of clay in bags as a last
 resort. He likes to use locally sourced and free stuff whenever possible
 but in a pinch...
 
  -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Skunky Front Loading Washer - OT

Sounds like the joys of being an early adopter :)

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

 That's one of the features the the manufacturers came out with to deal
 with the problem. I believe most machines have this feature now. Mine does
 not, nor did any others in GE's product line that year, from what I can
 determine.

 Dan

 Sent from my iPad

 On Dec 28, 2012, at 9:15 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:

  Our LG front loader doesn't really develop odor very often but when it
  does, it has a tub clean cycle, run that with a cup of bleach and it
  kills the odor for a good while.
 
  Allan
 

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Re: [MBZ] Skunky Front Loading Washer - OT

No complaints. Water bill went WAY down (two teenage boys when we first got it) 
and it handles much larger loads than the previous high capacity Maytag did.

Its been trouble free since day one, despite having been moved several times. 
It continues to wash away with no complaints so far.

Many of the front loaders today have all sorts of froo-froo stuff on them, like 
steam and such. This is a really basic model with just a few different cycles 
and no fancy stuff, which suits me fine.

Dan

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On Dec 28, 2012, at 9:44 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sounds like the joys of being an early adopter :)
 
 On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
 
 That's one of the features the the manufacturers came out with to deal
 with the problem. I believe most machines have this feature now. Mine does
 not, nor did any others in GE's product line that year, from what I can
 determine.
 
 Dan
 

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Re: [MBZ] Skunky Front Loading Washer - OT

What's up with a steam dryer?  Seems kinda counterproductive.

--R (sent from my miniPad)

On Dec 28, 2012, at 8:50 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

 Many of the front loaders today have all sorts of froo-froo stuff on them, 
 like steam and such. This is a really basic model with just a few different 
 cycles and no fancy stuff, which suits me fine.

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Re: [MBZ] Bread


On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 17:46:22 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond
curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:


 I wonder if you could call around to your local high schools and get
 your clay that way?


Do they teach useful things like that anymore?

Craig


Nope

And the universities have pretty much been purged of useful things... 
We lecture theory, not practice


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Re: [MBZ] Bread

HA! My dad gave me hell when I signed up for pottery...

-Curt

Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 18:53:45 -0700
From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bread
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 17:46:22 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond
curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I wonder if you could call around to your local high schools and get
 your clay that way?

Do they teach useful things like that anymore?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OK - anybody there?

2012-12-28 Thread Mountain Man

Greg wrote:
 Which Retsel do you have?
Mill-Rite
30 years ago I used an old washing machine motor, some properly sized
sheaves, belts, bearing shaft and made home made motor grinder using
stone wheel like the Retsel Ark.  You can find on ebay from time to
time, or the other famous name also - the one in the wood casing,
which Retsel spoke against when I purchased - he asked why have a case
where flour and critters can hide?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OK - anybody there?

Throw some corn sprouts in that thing and you could make some squeezins.

--R (sent from my miniPad)

On Dec 28, 2012, at 10:17 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:

Greg wrote:
 Which Retsel do you have?
Mill-Rite
30 years ago I used an old washing machine motor, some properly sized
sheaves, belts, bearing shaft and made home made motor grinder using
stone wheel like the Retsel Ark.  You can find on ebay from time to
time, or the other famous name also - the one in the wood casing,
which Retsel spoke against when I purchased - he asked why have a case
where flour and critters can hide?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Skunky Front Loading Washer - OT