Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer
Butt here is a panel. We are not allowed to pull aside the curtain and see them at work. They are the insurance miscreants The medical staff who slacks off on providing decent care The boys from Big Pharma, who price the medication out of reach, so as to make obscene profit The welfare and medicare schlubs who suck the economy dry and give nothing in return The hospital corporations who see no profit in filling a bed over paying executives like kings clay On Aug 2, 2013, at 4:52 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: If you're 90 years old and confined to your bed barely awake I'm saying we shouldn't treat you for anything other than pain. We dope you to the point where you don't hurt and we let nature take its course. Theres no point in treating the cancer or heart disease or whatever if your life sucks. Why not leave that decision up to the individual? If someone else is deciding, that is a death panel. That all that phrase means. Allan -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer
The goobermunt should have nothing to do or say as relates to our demise. If you are able to assert your wishes for continued existence and can foot the bill, then you should be allowed to. If you think it better to skip out a little early, then go ahead. If your loved one desires to pursue medical attention, you should support them in that choice and advocate for them against the vultures of the medical establishment, goobermunt and insurance. clay On Aug 2, 2013, at 8:25 PM, G Mann wrote: Doesn't this all come down to both our individual moral conscience and our public moral conscience? If I make the personal decision not to have medical treatment and to die, or to take treatment and try to extend life, it is according to my own desire to control my own life. If someone else makes the decision how I will die, or whether or not my life will be preserved, extended, or extinguished, there is another name for that. The reward for making the decision whether another person lives or dies has usually been execution, or lately, incarceration for long period. As a moral society, we have long held that standard. Now comes the moral dilemma imposed by government, which removes the ability for personal decision and imposes upon some un-named persons with no personal interest in your individual well being, the ability to decide perhaps when and how you will die.. all for the betterment of the state... Question: As a society, have we become so intensely lacking in Moral Compass that we must now debate how this government imposed ability to grant someone or something [agency] other than the individual citizen total control over their own life, can somehow be accepted? I object your Honor.. Foundation Grant... On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Allan wrote: Why not leave that decision up to the individual? If someone else is deciding, that is a death panel. That all that phrase means. Totally. That decision must take in to account actual cost, not cost to the aggregate, i.e. some make claims, others do not. Part of the system probably should have limits, not unlike a health savings program. No $$ in the savings account? - no treatment, and the individual made that choice. Now, if the system deems it better to keep the person alive, and is willing to food the cost, fine. The unrealistic costs we know today for health care are directly related to insco and banking - read The Law by Frederic Bastiat downloadable from fee.org mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
Jaime wrote: Anyone on the list have a JD garden tractor? John Deere 330, 332, 455, and similar models with the 3 cylinder yanmar diesel really interest me. Anyone have one or any experience? From what I've read, they're the diesel W123 of garden tractors. Yup. But it's not built with German engineering. I like my JD, but there are days I wish there had been a few more thorough, detail obsessed engineers on staff. I don't have a huge amount to mow, about 1/2 acre, but I have potentially 500' of driveway to plow in the winter, and could find other uses for a powerful compact tractor. And if I run out of justifications: they're really cool and I want one. The diesels are the big machines of the line. 1/2 acre is pretty small for such a tractor. 500 ft [150 m] of driveway is also far from taxing. Nevertheless, other than a Yarmar, there are not many diesels this size that aren't much newer. These hydrostatic drive units are dandy machines. The infinite ratio transmission is not just handy, it's addicting. The drive put in these machines is quite sturdy. This is local enough and the price is right, but looks pretty rough: http://cnj.craigslist.org/grd/3951606736.html Bit pricey, but I can make a day trip to Iowa. As you say, NJ is a long way from Deere country. Anyone have any experience with these? I don't have one of the diesels - yet. But I get a lot of work out of my 140 gasoline powered mower/tractor. I don't know of any email list - but weekend-freedom-machine is the best forum I've found. http://www.weekendfreedommachines.com/discus/messages/17/61368.html?1242786660 -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now THIS is a nice wagon...
On Aug 2, 2013 5:35 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: he's only bought 4 radiators from me, so it hasn't been so bad BMWs have been notorious for cooling system problems since at least the days of the 3.0 coupe and the Bavaria sedan. That's nearly 40 years! Why can't they get it right? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Roger the dodger?
Have ya tried emailing the law offices? Hendrik who might try to ring now seeing it's 3 in the morning in Seattle On 02/08/13 10:06, WILTON wrote: I checked, too; found no obit, etc. 'Been trying to call 'im all afternoon; no answer. Will try more this evening. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Roger? Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Maybe he is dead. I found his mom's obit but nothing like that on him. Here's where he works: http://www.northwhatcomlaw.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Y'all's all is down one
Oooh she can cover me in oil anytime. Hendrik who is off for a cold shower On 03/08/13 00:41, Rich Thomas wrote: http://i.imgur.com/gpALGIH.gif --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oooh another oil thread - that looks to be Mobil1
No it's 710 fluid. Hendrik who should teach his daughter how to check the 710 level On 03/08/13 05:46, Randy Bennell wrote: http://i.imgur.com/gpALGIH.gif ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Finally, a trim of my 240D
Oooh the trim wars are on again. let the trimming begin. H On 03/08/13 06:29, Dan Penoff wrote: Trim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D crackhead perhaps
Considering what those nut jobs who find an tidy up old Merc Diesels are charging, that is not too way out there. Looks pretty original. Hendrik who still has fond memories of the mao mobile On 03/08/13 08:26, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: A customer of mine is trying to sell a 77 240D on consignment. The car looks pretty clean, no rust etc. Has actual leather which I have not seen on a 240D but the drivers seat is cracked etc. He wants $4k for it. Dealer knows the guy is on crack. I told him to tell his seller I might be interested at $1500, but really that is way over my normal limit. http://www.autofind.com/dealer/details/18996/00012312312039636/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now THIS is a nice wagon to pour money into...
Merc V8 a preventative overhaul is new chain and guides, in a money waster the engine comes out, gets taken apart and many $ later you can go around the block again. Hendrik who seriously doesn't know what a preventative overhaul is, perhaps a racing car thing On 03/08/13 10:10, Dan Penoff wrote: I posted a question asking what a preventative overhaul was. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wagon Owner on Crack?
Long story short: My valley pan gasket was leaking coolant which requires a lot of labor to get to so I replaced a long list of engine parts and cooling parts that weren't needed but I did it anyway because the top of the engine was taken apart. It was a $3k job that will give the next buyer some confidence once they review the stack of service history I have for the car. Hmm. Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
Hi Jaime, Nothing runs like a Deere! If you are going to buy a tractor, don't even think about any others. I've owned/used three different JD lawn tractors over the years, and my neighbors (who all had brand x, y or z) always told me they wished they had spent the extra $$ on a JD. That being said..DO NOT BUY that tractor on CL. Those tractors were designed and built for the actual farm market or landscapers, and as such, most have been used hard and continuously since their purchase. The engines are probably OK, but you have to think of all the other parts on a lawn tractor which can and will go bad. That CL mower looks pretty sketchy. Buy one of these the same way you would buy a used MBtotal package. The absolute best JD I had was a GT275 with blower and 48 deck. Even though I moved to a much smaller yard, I never should have sold it. It had a 17hp Kawasaki 2-cylinder which always started and never once smoked. the implements were belt drive, and very easy to change. The next best was the LX277, which is the lawn tractor version of the GT275. It had the same emgine with a 42 mulching deck that gave a superb cut. The blower was the same IIRC. I also had the chance to use and work on a 100 Series (125). It couldn't hold a candle to the first two mentioned, and I would stay away. It was just flimsier all around. In closing, unless you want to spend all of your time working on an old lawn tractor, stay away from old diesels with hydraulics. Jon PS: If you find a good LX277 that you don't want, call me...I'm in the market. On Aug 2, 2013, at 7:24 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Anyone on the list have a JD garden tractor? We moved and I'm not so interested in using my push mower anymore. When we had 0.16 acres it was fine, but I'm looking for something a little more aggressive. John Deere 330, 332, 455, and similar models with the 3 cylinder yanmar diesel really interest me. Anyone have one or any experience? From what I've read, they're the diesel W123 of garden tractors. I don't have a huge amount to mow, about 1/2 acre, but I have potentially 500' of driveway to plow in the winter, and could find other uses for a powerful compact tractor. And if I run out of justifications: they're really cool and I want one. This is local enough and the price is right, but looks pretty rough: http://cnj.craigslist.org/grd/3951606736.html NJ isn't exactly tractor country, so there isn't much to choose from. Anyone have any experience with these? Jaime -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?
I don't touch the stuff but use it to grease the machines. I have heard this is revenge because you bombed the great barrier reef. Hendrik who will immediately go to the factory and do some bottom kicking I just restocked and the new jar isn't the same stuff as the old jar. The ingredient list is longer and has a lot of long words in it. At least someone recognizes the significance of the dastardly deed 'cause no longer does the label proclaim Proudly made in Australia since 1923. Instead, it just states Product of Australia. Since you are practically the only person I know in Australia, I hold you _personally_ responsible for this atrocity. You must have been out digging ditches or waxing your Mercedes when they slipped this one through. --Philip, who is still eating Vegemite, just not enjoying it quite as much. There is probably a conspiracy to keep Aussie vegemite out of the US. While one of my grandsons was doing a college semester in Australia, he sent me a packet of vegemite. While enroute, someone obviously stomped on it since all the vegemite was squished out of the packet. I did get a taste of it, and it tasted pretty good, but the vegemite in the US supermarkets is not the same as Phillip declared. On a similar subject, I wish the U.S. gov't would hurry up and make peace with Iran so we can once again buy the best pistachios in the world. Pistachios grown in California simply have no taste. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
Thanks for all the reply everyone... good information in there. I'll let you know what I come up with. It'll all come down to whats local and whats a reasonable price. I'd like to stay under $2000, but I'll make an exception for something exceptional. Jaime On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 7:27 AM, Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote: Hi Jaime, Nothing runs like a Deere! If you are going to buy a tractor, don't even think about any others. I've owned/used three different JD lawn tractors over the years, and my neighbors (who all had brand x, y or z) always told me they wished they had spent the extra $$ on a JD. That being said..DO NOT BUY that tractor on CL. Those tractors were designed and built for the actual farm market or landscapers, and as such, most have been used hard and continuously since their purchase. The engines are probably OK, but you have to think of all the other parts on a lawn tractor which can and will go bad. That CL mower looks pretty sketchy. Buy one of these the same way you would buy a used MBtotal package. The absolute best JD I had was a GT275 with blower and 48 deck. Even though I moved to a much smaller yard, I never should have sold it. It had a 17hp Kawasaki 2-cylinder which always started and never once smoked. the implements were belt drive, and very easy to change. The next best was the LX277, which is the lawn tractor version of the GT275. It had the same emgine with a 42 mulching deck that gave a superb cut. The blower was the same IIRC. I also had the chance to use and work on a 100 Series (125). It couldn't hold a candle to the first two mentioned, and I would stay away. It was just flimsier all around. In closing, unless you want to spend all of your time working on an old lawn tractor, stay away from old diesels with hydraulics. Jon PS: If you find a good LX277 that you don't want, call me...I'm in the market. On Aug 2, 2013, at 7:24 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Anyone on the list have a JD garden tractor? We moved and I'm not so interested in using my push mower anymore. When we had 0.16 acres it was fine, but I'm looking for something a little more aggressive. John Deere 330, 332, 455, and similar models with the 3 cylinder yanmar diesel really interest me. Anyone have one or any experience? From what I've read, they're the diesel W123 of garden tractors. I don't have a huge amount to mow, about 1/2 acre, but I have potentially 500' of driveway to plow in the winter, and could find other uses for a powerful compact tractor. And if I run out of justifications: they're really cool and I want one. This is local enough and the price is right, but looks pretty rough: http://cnj.craigslist.org/grd/3951606736.html NJ isn't exactly tractor country, so there isn't much to choose from. Anyone have any experience with these? Jaime -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
For such a small property the good in a small diesel will never outweigh the premium you need to pay for it. That one you linked to is probably going to be a disaster. The neglect evident on the outside will be reflected everywhere... The real W123 of the garden tractor world is a small frame Cub Cadet models 70, 100, 71, 72, 102 etc. I have a model 70 at the house which is a 7hp from 1964. I've mowed our 1/4 acre with it although its overkill for that and used it to plow our little driveway which its a little underweight for although thats fixable. With a snowblower it'd be all set for any size driveway. At camp I've got a 72 which is a 7hp model from 1967. I've got that equipped with crossbar tires like a big tractor has. It hauls wood and plows (ploughs for those on the other side of the pond) up a little patch of land we plant for the wildlife. Again its a little underweight but I've got a kit to fluid fill the tires. Something like a 100 with its 10hp would do a little better. The one at the house is pretty tired, the engine really needs rebuilding. My current plan is to repower with a 10hp diesel. I've found Chinese copies of Yanmar singles for around $600. The torque curve on the 10hp is more like a 14hp gasser. Anyway for what you suggest you need I'd say go to Lowes, Home Depot, Sears or wherever and buy the $999 lawn tractor, then lay down whatever they want for the snowblower attachment, chains and weight box. 95% of all lawn tractors sold today are made by MTD and pretty much every place that carries lawn tractors carries the same one for $999. At camp we've got one badged Craftsman. My grandmother's is Bolens and my dad just bought a TroyBuilt but they all exactly the same machine. The 17hp engine is powerful and the rest of the tractor is good enough. They've made a bazillion of them so parts access is easy and its got a 42 deck and wants to mow in a pretty high gear so it'll eat right through your 1/2 acre plenty quick. If you want something more rugged look into a Snapper rear engine rider. Those are the modern equivalent of a w123. I use one to mow our lawn now. Its a 1964, 8hp, I pulled it out from under a spruce tree on our farm about 4 years ago and repowered it with an engine from a 1988. They make a ton of attachments including a snowblower. AFAIK Snapper is one of the last brands that actually makes their own stuff. Even the low end JD and Cub Cadet stuff is all MTD. -Curt Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 19:24:46 -0400 From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com, Banned List ban...@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels Message-ID: cacy-ba+vk6urm21gyndq8oxrcribe7wmk_wzdnlu0z79tc2...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Anyone on the list have a JD garden tractor? We moved and I'm not so interested in using my push mower anymore. When we had 0.16 acres it was fine, but I'm looking for something a little more aggressive. John Deere 330, 332, 455, and similar models with the 3 cylinder yanmar diesel really interest me. Anyone have one or any experience? From what I've read, they're the diesel W123 of garden tractors. I don't have a huge amount to mow, about 1/2 acre, but I have potentially 500' of driveway to plow in the winter, and could find other uses for a powerful compact tractor. And if I run out of justifications: they're really cool and I want one. This is local enough and the price is right, but looks pretty rough: http://cnj.craigslist.org/grd/3951606736.html NJ isn't exactly tractor country, so there isn't much to choose from. Anyone have any experience with these? Jaime -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer
Because you can never cut costs if 80% of your spending goes to support 40% of your population who are elderly and half a step away from death's door anyway. What we really need is a clear set of guidelines that tell us things like, if you haven't been out of bed in the last 6 months we won't pursue cancer treatment because thats pointless. I think most of the time its not the person deciding its their kids... -Curt Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2013 19:52:47 -0400 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer Message-ID: m161vn646o@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: If you're 90 years old and confined to your bed barely awake I'm saying we shouldn't treat you for anything other than pain. We dope you to the point where you don't hurt and we let nature take its course. Theres no point in treating the cancer or heart disease or whatever if your life sucks. Why not leave that decision up to the individual? If someone else is deciding, that is a death panel. That all that phrase means. Allan -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
From an industrial engine standpoint I have had direct experience with Kubota, Yanmar and Kawasaki and they are all excellent engines. The Kubota is by far the best when it comes to longevity and reliability. The acquisition costs are high, but they have extremely high reliability and last many thousands of hours with proper care. People like Hendrick who use smaller power equipment use a lot of these in small excavators and tractors. The tractors are the pinnacle of their product line. Yanmar is also an excellent diesel. They made their name in the boat business as propulsion engines for small sailboats. Very reliable, easy to work on, and good parts availability. Kawasaki came into the US market with their (gasoline) industrial engines in the early 1980s. One of my former employers was the first Kawasaki industrial distributor in the Midwest. Their gas engines are ver durable, well designed, and somewhat overengineered, making them last a long time in severe environments. We used to demo a 12HP single cylinder Kawasaki by taking it out of the box, putting fuel and oil into it, and starting it up right there in front of the customer. The engine would sit where it was placed without any movement through its power range (any other single cylinder engine would be skittering around the floor from vibration of the crank and piston/connecting rod.) I wouldn't hesitate to buy a Deere with any of these engine choices. That being said, you're going to pay a premium for a diesel, so be sure you plan on keeping it for a while. Also, take a close look at what is available as attachments, as these can vary in efficiency and quality based on the model. That is, you may be able to find a snowblower for the tractor, but it may not be terribly efficient on a lower powered tractor. It has been my experience that the smaller tractors are best for cutting grass, and not as snowblowers or front end loaders. There are purpose built products for these jobs, and they usually do a far better job - think of a ShopSmith as an analogy. Dan Sent from my iPad On Aug 3, 2013, at 7:27 AM, Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote: Hi Jaime, Nothing runs like a Deere! If you are going to buy a tractor, don't even think about any others. I've owned/used three different JD lawn tractors over the years, and my neighbors (who all had brand x, y or z) always told me they wished they had spent the extra $$ on a JD. That being said..DO NOT BUY that tractor on CL. Those tractors were designed and built for the actual farm market or landscapers, and as such, most have been used hard and continuously since their purchase. The engines are probably OK, but you have to think of all the other parts on a lawn tractor which can and will go bad. That CL mower looks pretty sketchy. Buy one of these the same way you would buy a used MBtotal package. The absolute best JD I had was a GT275 with blower and 48 deck. Even though I moved to a much smaller yard, I never should have sold it. It had a 17hp Kawasaki 2-cylinder which always started and never once smoked. the implements were belt drive, and very easy to change. The next best was the LX277, which is the lawn tractor version of the GT275. It had the same emgine with a 42 mulching deck that gave a superb cut. The blower was the same IIRC. I also had the chance to use and work on a 100 Series (125). It couldn't hold a candle to the first two mentioned, and I would stay away. It was just flimsier all around. In closing, unless you want to spend all of your time working on an old lawn tractor, stay away from old diesels with hydraulics. Jon PS: If you find a good LX277 that you don't want, call me...I'm in the market. On Aug 2, 2013, at 7:24 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Anyone on the list have a JD garden tractor? We moved and I'm not so interested in using my push mower anymore. When we had 0.16 acres it was fine, but I'm looking for something a little more aggressive. John Deere 330, 332, 455, and similar models with the 3 cylinder yanmar diesel really interest me. Anyone have one or any experience? From what I've read, they're the diesel W123 of garden tractors. I don't have a huge amount to mow, about 1/2 acre, but I have potentially 500' of driveway to plow in the winter, and could find other uses for a powerful compact tractor. And if I run out of justifications: they're really cool and I want one. This is local enough and the price is right, but looks pretty rough: http://cnj.craigslist.org/grd/3951606736.html NJ isn't exactly tractor country, so there isn't much to choose from. Anyone have any experience with these? Jaime -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer
I agree with you entirely except: 1. Most people are idiots or rather they're completely uneducated about anything having to do with their health. 2. Good information is hard to find even if you are somewhat savvy. 3. Almost nobody has these discussions in advance. For example I've got a pretty good handle on how my folks feel, my mom is a death and dying nurse in a veterans nursing home so we've had some pretty candid conversations. My wife's folks though have provided us pretty much zero idea and while they don't refuse to talk about it they slide around like they're greased. My wife is working on a plan to pin them down but its taken a ton of effort on her part. Even if the guidelines I mentioned before weren't for doctors to stop providing care it would be helpful for families when accessing how far they should go. Ahh, another for instance, my grandmother had her hip replaced 10 years ago when she was 83, came through with flying colors. Last year she was complaining about her knees, wanted them replaced too. The doctor told her no, that at 92 it didn't make any sense and she's going to have to get used to some knee pain. We like that Doc... -Curt Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 21:06:16 -0400 From: Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer Message-ID: 8E278DAFC4684E3681AA0A642B87F0B2@ScottPC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Clearly, there is a point where the quality of life (or absence thereof) is such that death is preferable to being a specimen for the medical establishment to practice on. I've been down that road with pets and family members (both parents, for example). But who gets to decide when your life isn't worth living? Family doctor? A committee in DC? Next of Kin? Arbitrary age limits? The patient? Frankly, I believe most patients and families would make the best decision provided they had good information and had considered such issues seriously long before any decision is needed. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 5:04 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer If you're 90 years old and confined to your bed barely awake I'm saying we shouldn't treat you for anything other than pain. We dope you to the point where you don't hurt and we let nature take its course. Theres no point in treating the cancer or heart disease or whatever if your life sucks. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
Funny you should mention Snapper... I got a older rear engined model for free. It had been sitting outside and I had little hope for it based on cosmetic condition. I went over the basics and rebuild the pull starter. The damn thing started on the second pull and ran great. Unfortunately, its just not maneuverable enough for my yard. Everything is irregularly shaped around here, so I need something that will change directions easily. Mowing with the snapper is a real chore, especially changing directions. Not to mention the deck alignment is messed up and it really chewed up my grass, but I could fix that. It has a nice 10hp commercial Tecumseh engine. Someone on CL will be happy with it. Jaime On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 8:11 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: For such a small property the good in a small diesel will never outweigh the premium you need to pay for it. That one you linked to is probably going to be a disaster. The neglect evident on the outside will be reflected everywhere... The real W123 of the garden tractor world is a small frame Cub Cadet models 70, 100, 71, 72, 102 etc. I have a model 70 at the house which is a 7hp from 1964. I've mowed our 1/4 acre with it although its overkill for that and used it to plow our little driveway which its a little underweight for although thats fixable. With a snowblower it'd be all set for any size driveway. At camp I've got a 72 which is a 7hp model from 1967. I've got that equipped with crossbar tires like a big tractor has. It hauls wood and plows (ploughs for those on the other side of the pond) up a little patch of land we plant for the wildlife. Again its a little underweight but I've got a kit to fluid fill the tires. Something like a 100 with its 10hp would do a little better. The one at the house is pretty tired, the engine really needs rebuilding. My current plan is to repower with a 10hp diesel. I've found Chinese copies of Yanmar singles for around $600. The torque curve on the 10hp is more like a 14hp gasser. Anyway for what you suggest you need I'd say go to Lowes, Home Depot, Sears or wherever and buy the $999 lawn tractor, then lay down whatever they want for the snowblower attachment, chains and weight box. 95% of all lawn tractors sold today are made by MTD and pretty much every place that carries lawn tractors carries the same one for $999. At camp we've got one badged Craftsman. My grandmother's is Bolens and my dad just bought a TroyBuilt but they all exactly the same machine. The 17hp engine is powerful and the rest of the tractor is good enough. They've made a bazillion of them so parts access is easy and its got a 42 deck and wants to mow in a pretty high gear so it'll eat right through your 1/2 acre plenty quick. If you want something more rugged look into a Snapper rear engine rider. Those are the modern equivalent of a w123. I use one to mow our lawn now. Its a 1964, 8hp, I pulled it out from under a spruce tree on our farm about 4 years ago and repowered it with an engine from a 1988. They make a ton of attachments including a snowblower. AFAIK Snapper is one of the last brands that actually makes their own stuff. Even the low end JD and Cub Cadet stuff is all MTD. -Curt Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 19:24:46 -0400 From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com,Banned List ban...@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels Message-ID: cacy-ba+vk6urm21gyndq8oxrcribe7wmk_wzdnlu0z79tc2...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Anyone on the list have a JD garden tractor? We moved and I'm not so interested in using my push mower anymore. When we had 0.16 acres it was fine, but I'm looking for something a little more aggressive. John Deere 330, 332, 455, and similar models with the 3 cylinder yanmar diesel really interest me. Anyone have one or any experience? From what I've read, they're the diesel W123 of garden tractors. I don't have a huge amount to mow, about 1/2 acre, but I have potentially 500' of driveway to plow in the winter, and could find other uses for a powerful compact tractor. And if I run out of justifications: they're really cool and I want one. This is local enough and the price is right, but looks pretty rough: http://cnj.craigslist.org/grd/3951606736.html NJ isn't exactly tractor country, so there isn't much to choose from. Anyone have any experience with these? Jaime -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or
Re: [MBZ] Bacon OT
Smoker? Smoking bacon is usually done in a room full of smoke, not in a cooking device, which may be your problem. Smokers these days are low temperature (180F or so) cooking devices and it's going to be tricky to keep the temp below cooking temp with one. My brother tried bacon a couple times when he used to butcher with some buddies, but he quit when the drinking got out of hand. He never brined it long enough - bacon is salt cured meat, it's going to be salty! I think the secret is to soak it in the proper brine solution until it becomes waxy -- that is, enough water has been removed to prevent spoilage. Treating with cool smoke after that is to enhance the flavor and prevent mold on the surface, you don't want to cook it. Like country hams, bacon is raw, not cooked, meat. The salt in the meat is a side effect, not what you want. When you get it figured out, you will have the best bacon ever. Better yet if you can find some local source of pork bellies where the pigs are allowed to run rather than being fed in confinement -- much more meat in that bacon. Good luck! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
My dad had one of those little 3cyl JD diesels, 4WD, PTO etc. with a mowing deck under. It was a great little tractor. I ended up selling it at the auction, now kicking myself as I could now use it and I did not get much for it. It had its occasional issues, probably from not being used when I was not at the farm visiting, but was pretty simple to deal with. Having an old Benz diesel helped! --R On 8/2/13 7:24 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Anyone on the list have a JD garden tractor? We moved and I'm not so interested in using my push mower anymore. When we had 0.16 acres it was fine, but I'm looking for something a little more aggressive. John Deere 330, 332, 455, and similar models with the 3 cylinder yanmar diesel really interest me. Anyone have one or any experience? From what I've read, they're the diesel W123 of garden tractors. I don't have a huge amount to mow, about 1/2 acre, but I have potentially 500' of driveway to plow in the winter, and could find other uses for a powerful compact tractor. And if I run out of justifications: they're really cool and I want one. This is local enough and the price is right, but looks pretty rough: http://cnj.craigslist.org/grd/3951606736.html NJ isn't exactly tractor country, so there isn't much to choose from. Anyone have any experience with these? Jaime ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wagon Owner on Crack?
I know nothing of a valley pan gasket on a MBZ. On anything else I have messed with there is no coolant leak possible there. What say the masses? Mike On Aug 3, 2013 7:22 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Long story short: My valley pan gasket was leaking coolant which requires a lot of labor to get to so I replaced a long list of engine parts and cooling parts that weren't needed but I did it anyway because the top of the engine was taken apart. It was a $3k job that will give the next buyer some confidence once they review the stack of service history I have for the car. Hmm. Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer
Clay, I'm sorry for the passing of your Father. I salute his life and memory with the greatest respect. Grant. On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:44 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Grant, you do not want the death the health system allows. Watching through the night as my father met his maker was really wrenching. The quality of his last month was really bad, but not horrid. He was a proud man who kept himself ship shape looking. Would be properly attired to leave the house, no matter where he was headed. Even when he felt like crap, he tried, and mostly succeeded in pulling off being dignified. He took three days after the oncologist told him he had congestive heart failure (which he knew he had and was being treated for over the past 15 years) instead of accepting her failure to treat adequately, for him to give up on living. The last 36 hours he was in no way dignified, as his mind shut down, and the rest of his body followed. Had he chosen to live his last months without chemo, he would have lived much longer. Medical malpractice and the poisoning of chemo not only reduced his time left on earth, but robbed him of his dignity. Had he been put on a cross, his end would have been a bit more dignified. Friendly fire in Korea would have been more dignified. Loosing his election to state legislature (libertarian) to a quadriplegic, lesbian of color receiving welfare and being a crack 'Ho would have been more dignified. clay On Aug 1, 2013, at 7:45 PM, G Mann wrote: And the alternate is what? Quality of Death? My apologies to the politically correct, but I'm not a fan of quality death... it's not in my programming.. Besides, I'm sure to die in a hail of hollowpoint DHS bullets in the coming revolution, being a veteran, a conservative, and a Christian, I'm already of the short list to be hunted down, just for existing. Let me know how that works out... OK? Grant... Off to the Snowden retirement center for a round of shuffleboard;))) On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: In an emergency situation where you have limited resources its called triage, you save the people you can and comfort those who are traveling to whatever is next. Strangely in general medicine we've somehow decided that everybody needs to live forever and 90 year old patients should be kept alive through extraordinary measures but with zero quality of life... -Curt Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 15:08:22 -0500 From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?] Message-ID: calk3cy53auwrtrcvdoo9whqcknv-8ayzsoi-stnagyi4ttw...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mitch wrote: Yikes, what's the point of having prescription drug insurance if they can do that to you? It is called Death Panel. Doctors do this all the time when they participate in emergency recovery drill such as airplane crash. Individuals are graded as to survivor or not and that is the practice. Death Panel is not new, but when family comes to forefront, cost be damned. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D crackhead perhaps
Interesting, I have never seen a w123 dash with English measurements. Thought they were all Metric. Mike On Aug 3, 2013 6:15 AM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: Considering what those nut jobs who find an tidy up old Merc Diesels are charging, that is not too way out there. Looks pretty original. Hendrik who still has fond memories of the mao mobile On 03/08/13 08:26, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: A customer of mine is trying to sell a 77 240D on consignment. The car looks pretty clean, no rust etc. Has actual leather which I have not seen on a 240D but the drivers seat is cracked etc. He wants $4k for it. Dealer knows the guy is on crack. I told him to tell his seller I might be interested at $1500, but really that is way over my normal limit. http://www.autofind.com/**dealer/details/18996/**00012312312039636/http://www.autofind.com/dealer/details/18996/00012312312039636/ __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
I have a rear-engine Snapper that I hate with a Royal passion, but it runs and mows and the bagger works reasonably well, so I use it. I prefer the front-engined ones, but with my yard, they are too large (fairly large lot, but too many things to get around like grapes, fruit and nut trees, fences, and un-mowed areas). They last forever, mine is from the early 60s, but I'm going to have to do something with the blade control linkage --it's so worn that it's impossible to get it to engage fully if when disengaged it's not dragging, not enough throw left. I'll have to weld up the links and maybe the pivot holes in the plates, or use a wedge for the lever to get it to go far enough. Shouldn't carp too much though, it's vastly cheaper than a new mower I did buy a used Snapper self-propelled mower this year for $100. Burned vast amounts of oil and ran like crap when I got it, figured I was just buying the deck and would get a new engine. I got it because they have a good bagger, and I have tons of oak leaves in the fall to manage. To my great surprise, after I switched to synthetic oil and leaned it out a bit, plus removed the disconnected shut-off wire temporarily (I need to get it back on, I don't like using the brake to shut it off), it ran pretty good. Yesterday I found the part of the shut-off wire still in there was rubbed through and shorting to ground, thing runs like crazy now and has quit using oil (probably because the mixture is right and it's not cutting out all the time and dumping gasoline into the crankcase). Pretty good deal of $100 I think. Now all I need is the time to do the mowing! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fw: car innovators
Begin forwarded message: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 07:21:38 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: car innovators Hello, An interesting thread: http://jalopnik.com/who-is-the-most-insane-automotive-innovator-1001421504 Thomas Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
As far as that JD goes it is not even in the same league as the crap JD's you get at the box stores. Looks can be very deceiving. If it is not an oil leaking pos and steering, linkages, etc are tight then it is a great machine. They run forever. Attachments are well built and parts are readily available through JD. I would pay $2k and pretty it up before even considering one of the MTD machines for more than half that. If you care for it a real JD will last your lifetime, the MTD versions will not. If you want a MOWER that is easy to navigate the zero turns they make now are great. I have a 22hp Cub Cadet with 44 deck and it mows way faster than my 18hp Simplicity tractor type with 60 deck. Trimming is done with the weedeater as the zero turn gets so close to everything easily. I would prefer a dedicated snowblower over a tractor model. Much easier to maneuver and they don't make a snowlower for a zero turn. Mike On Aug 2, 2013 7:24 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone on the list have a JD garden tractor? We moved and I'm not so interested in using my push mower anymore. When we had 0.16 acres it was fine, but I'm looking for something a little more aggressive. John Deere 330, 332, 455, and similar models with the 3 cylinder yanmar diesel really interest me. Anyone have one or any experience? From what I've read, they're the diesel W123 of garden tractors. I don't have a huge amount to mow, about 1/2 acre, but I have potentially 500' of driveway to plow in the winter, and could find other uses for a powerful compact tractor. And if I run out of justifications: they're really cool and I want one. This is local enough and the price is right, but looks pretty rough: http://cnj.craigslist.org/grd/3951606736.html NJ isn't exactly tractor country, so there isn't much to choose from. Anyone have any experience with these? Jaime -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
On Aug 3, 2013, at 8:03 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Everything is irregularly shaped around here, so I need something that will change directions easily. Mowing with the snapper is a real chore, especially changing directions. Then Mr. Canfield is right. You need a zero turn mower, and a snow thrower. I have the same problem and used lawn tractors for years. I got a Toro ztr last year and I am very happy. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
I recently sold a pretty decent Crapsman lawn tractor with a Kohler 17HP engine in it I had gotten cheap from Sears. It was when we lived down here before and I was looking for a high quality walk behind. It had been purchased and returned within a few days as the OP found it wasn't big enough for his property. He traded it back in and got a larger mower of some sort. It was the highest level you could go before you got into the hydrostatic drives, about $1500 new. I paid Sears $900. I found a snow blower for it when I was in Indy, but it was pretty pitiful. In fairness, I had a driveway that had an extreme angle, and even with wheel weights and chains it couldn't deal with the grade and still blow snow. That being said, it was a great lawn tractor, but when I moved back down here I ended up with a much smaller yard. I sold it for $500 on CL with about 175 hours on it last year. I got smart and went to a small power products dealer in a small town nearby. I wanted a high quality (Honda) walk behind, and saw that the model I wanted was readily available at Home Despot. Having been a supplier to Home Despot for Generac warranty work, I knew how crappy their support would be, so it only made sense to go to a local. Not to mention we like to keep our money at home. They sold me the Honda mower for the same price as Home Despot. I got a good half hour of QA, they prepped it and loaded it into my car, and even called several weeks later to see how it was doing and if I had any questions. If I want it serviced and I'm not in a hurry, they'll pick it up and drop it off for free when their guys are in the area. Can't beat that. If you're not looking for a fixer-upper, you might consider going to a local power products dealer of some sort and seeing what they have on trade. A lot of commercial users will trade their equipment in regularly, and getting it from someone who knows and represents the product will allow you to establish a relationship as far as support and parts if you need them. Dan On Aug 3, 2013, at 10:23 AM, Peter Frederick wrote: I have a rear-engine Snapper that I hate with a Royal passion, but it runs and mows and the bagger works reasonably well, so I use it. I prefer the front-engined ones, but with my yard, they are too large (fairly large lot, but too many things to get around like grapes, fruit and nut trees, fences, and un-mowed areas). They last forever, mine is from the early 60s, but I'm going to have to do something with the blade control linkage --it's so worn that it's impossible to get it to engage fully if when disengaged it's not dragging, not enough throw left. I'll have to weld up the links and maybe the pivot holes in the plates, or use a wedge for the lever to get it to go far enough. Shouldn't carp too much though, it's vastly cheaper than a new mower I did buy a used Snapper self-propelled mower this year for $100. Burned vast amounts of oil and ran like crap when I got it, figured I was just buying the deck and would get a new engine. I got it because they have a good bagger, and I have tons of oak leaves in the fall to manage. To my great surprise, after I switched to synthetic oil and leaned it out a bit, plus removed the disconnected shut-off wire temporarily (I need to get it back on, I don't like using the brake to shut it off), it ran pretty good. Yesterday I found the part of the shut-off wire still in there was rubbed through and shorting to ground, thing runs like crazy now and has quit using oil (probably because the mixture is right and it's not cutting out all the time and dumping gasoline into the crankcase). Pretty good deal of $100 I think. Now all I need is the time to do the mowing! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
Having lived in Wisconsin I would concur on this. Don't look for a multipurpose machine - buy a snowblower. Now is a good time to be looking for one, too. Dan On Aug 3, 2013, at 10:59 AM, Michael Canfield wrote: I would prefer a dedicated snowblower over a tractor model. Much easier to maneuver and they don't make a snowlower for a zero turn. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
You just changed your requirements entirely. With this in mind you want a zero turn. The brand probably doesn't matter, again I expect most of them are made by MTD. Get a big engine and find one you can fit with a snowblower and you'll be all set. You'll need chains and a weight box of course but it'll do the job well for what snow you'll expect to see. Any of the diesel front engine machines will be big and turn like a bus... -Curt Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 09:03:47 -0400 From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels Message-ID: cacy-balxmuzidtetrr2ogqnzktus+fakm6cb5tjdu1om-mi...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Funny you should mention Snapper... I got a older rear engined model for free. It had been sitting outside and I had little hope for it based on cosmetic condition. I went over the basics and rebuild the pull starter. The damn thing started on the second pull and ran great. Unfortunately, its just not maneuverable enough for my yard. Everything is irregularly shaped around here, so I need something that will change directions easily. Mowing with the snapper is a real chore, especially changing directions. Not to mention the deck alignment is messed up and it really chewed up my grass, but I could fix that. It has a nice 10hp commercial Tecumseh engine. Someone on CL will be happy with it. Jaime ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bacon OT
As much as I hate the concept an electric smoker is the deal for this, nothing else can compete with it for keeping the temp right. If you can get free range milk fed pork you'll find it to be the best thing ever... -Curt Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 08:49:27 -0500 From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bacon OT Message-ID: eacd4dca-2a45-41d1-83b3-864dcc3aa...@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Smoker? Smoking bacon is usually done in a room full of smoke, not in a cooking device, which may be your problem. Smokers these days are low temperature (180F or so) cooking devices and it's going to be tricky to keep the temp below cooking temp with one. My brother tried bacon a couple times when he used to butcher with some buddies, but he quit when the drinking got out of hand. He never brined it long enough - bacon is salt cured meat, it's going to be salty! I think the secret is to soak it in the proper brine solution until it becomes waxy -- that is, enough water has been removed to prevent spoilage. Treating with cool smoke after that is to enhance the flavor and prevent mold on the surface, you don't want to cook it. Like country hams, bacon is raw, not cooked, meat. The salt in the meat is a side effect, not what you want. When you get it figured out, you will have the best bacon ever. Better yet if you can find some local source of pork bellies where the pigs are allowed to run rather than being fed in confinement -- much more meat in that bacon. Good luck! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fw: car innovators
I got to sit in a small gathering with Bucky Fuller two times. He seemed to be nearly batshit crazy at those times but was interesting to listen to. He did not talk about the Dymaxion but I always thought it was pretty cool for an old-style deathtrap. --R On 8/3/13 10:51 AM, Craig wrote: Begin forwarded message: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 07:21:38 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: car innovators Hello, An interesting thread: http://jalopnik.com/who-is-the-most-insane-automotive-innovator-1001421504 Thomas Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
So I see they do make snowblowers for some zero turn machines. Cub Cadet does not offer one for mine as a front mounted blower would make traction and steering impossible. I am looking at mounting one on the rear and making a rear facing seat over the front wheels. Should work great with a set of cable type tire chains. Mike On Aug 3, 2013 11:10 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: You just changed your requirements entirely. With this in mind you want a zero turn. The brand probably doesn't matter, again I expect most of them are made by MTD. Get a big engine and find one you can fit with a snowblower and you'll be all set. You'll need chains and a weight box of course but it'll do the job well for what snow you'll expect to see. Any of the diesel front engine machines will be big and turn like a bus... -Curt Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 09:03:47 -0400 From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels Message-ID: cacy-balxmuzidtetrr2ogqnzktus+fakm6cb5tjdu1om-mi...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Funny you should mention Snapper... I got a older rear engined model for free. It had been sitting outside and I had little hope for it based on cosmetic condition. I went over the basics and rebuild the pull starter. The damn thing started on the second pull and ran great. Unfortunately, its just not maneuverable enough for my yard. Everything is irregularly shaped around here, so I need something that will change directions easily. Mowing with the snapper is a real chore, especially changing directions. Not to mention the deck alignment is messed up and it really chewed up my grass, but I could fix that. It has a nice 10hp commercial Tecumseh engine. Someone on CL will be happy with it. Jaime ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
I live in the woods in the Lowcountry. No grass and no snow, and my wife has a fascination with raking up the leaves that fall, for reasons I do not fully understand. The PO left his little Crapsman lawn tractor which has a mower deck but there is nothing to mow (I think he used it to mulch the leaves for some reason) and it keep shedding the belt, so I got a tip wagon for my wife to put her leaves into and haul them off somewhere else. So far she has not used it, but uses the little HF wire wagon thing I got her. I left the snowblower at my dad's on my way from Boston to Houston when we moved there, and ended up selling the thing at the farm auction. I spit on its grave! I do have to get the whacker out occasionally just to beat down random weeds and such, and there is bamboo that keeps trying to spread, but that is like 2x/yr for an hour or so. Falling trees are a bigger problem. If I had kept my dad's JD diesel I would have put a bucket on it just to move stuff around, mostly the leaves that my wife leaves in the wrong places after she rakes them up and hauls them somewhere else. --R On 8/3/13 11:10 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: You just changed your requirements entirely. With this in mind you want a zero turn. The brand probably doesn't matter, again I expect most of them are made by MTD. Get a big engine and find one you can fit with a snowblower and you'll be all set. You'll need chains and a weight box of course but it'll do the job well for what snow you'll expect to see. Any of the diesel front engine machines will be big and turn like a bus... -Curt Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 09:03:47 -0400 From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels Message-ID: cacy-balxmuzidtetrr2ogqnzktus+fakm6cb5tjdu1om-mi...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Funny you should mention Snapper... I got a older rear engined model for free. It had been sitting outside and I had little hope for it based on cosmetic condition. I went over the basics and rebuild the pull starter. The damn thing started on the second pull and ran great. Unfortunately, its just not maneuverable enough for my yard. Everything is irregularly shaped around here, so I need something that will change directions easily. Mowing with the snapper is a real chore, especially changing directions. Not to mention the deck alignment is messed up and it really chewed up my grass, but I could fix that. It has a nice 10hp commercial Tecumseh engine. Someone on CL will be happy with it. Jaime ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bacon OT
At Costco last year some guy was selling these automated smoker grill things that had a motorized auger to put wood chips in the fire box. It had some sort of thermostat control on it. I was actually tempted but my old Brinkman barrel smoker does a pretty good job. But you are correct, the electric smokers sorta do the same thing but differently. --R On 8/3/13 11:12 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: As much as I hate the concept an electric smoker is the deal for this, nothing else can compete with it for keeping the temp right. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now THIS is a nice wagon...
he's really only bought one radiator from me and never expressed any problems afterwards :) On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 3:32 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Aug 2, 2013 5:35 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: he's only bought 4 radiators from me, so it hasn't been so bad BMWs have been notorious for cooling system problems since at least the days of the 3.0 coupe and the Bavaria sedan. That's nearly 40 years! Why can't they get it right? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
Dan wrote: I recently sold a pretty decent Crapsman lawn tractor with a Kohler 17HP engine... Finally. Finally you mention what I thought you would have spoken first - Kohler, which I thought was your employer, and about whom you seem to rave, in past years. We have a Bobcat Ransomes 48 walk behind with 14hp Kohler I/C that we have used for 15 years, purchased new. Gets around all trees shrubs. Does not lug 150 pound human on it, as it is walk behind. We went in to the local shop - use local as you have said, Dan - and we told him we had 2.5 acres to mow, he looked at me and counseled a walk behind. I have legs, my sons have legs, we walk. Totally maneuverable moreso than a tractor. As someone else mentioned, get a single purpose machine for lawn, then another machine for snow, if/when. The Kohler is tight as new, starts no problem, we add fuel/oil and it just runs. This is commercial machine that was expensive, but... it has earned its keep. We could take it out today and run it 5 days a week mowing suburban areas - the machine is built to last 50 years, USA made. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Advance Auto Promo Code
As an aside, I've tried 1aauto.com and found some good deals. Maybe not specific to your COP, but they have done me some good over time. Richard From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, August 2, 2013 6:25 PM Subject: [MBZ] Advance Auto Promo Code Just had to buy a COP (coil on plug) for the youngest's 2004 Focus. Ouch!! $150 from the stealer or $102 from FLAPS. Found a 40% off code for $100 or more at Advance Auto - TRT41 So the COP cost me about $67 after the governor got his take. My $20 code reader just paid for itself. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Roger?
clay wrote: same name, not the same guy. That is what I was thinking. Roger never impressed me as lawyer. I pegged him as manager at perhaps ATT or other comm company, but I don't know. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?
Gerry wrote: On a similar subject, I wish the U.S. gov't would hurry up and make peace with Iran so we can once again buy the best pistachios in the world. Pistachios grown in California simply have no taste. Good information - thanks. Let us know when you see them on the market again. Perhaps someone has a friend that is Iraqi? See if he can have his relative send a care package for okiebenz distribution. Anyone? ... good pistachio sounds wonderful just about now... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?
nothing grown in california seems to have any taste anymore. worst fruit i know of, at least On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 5:58 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: I don't touch the stuff but use it to grease the machines. I have heard this is revenge because you bombed the great barrier reef. Hendrik who will immediately go to the factory and do some bottom kicking I just restocked and the new jar isn't the same stuff as the old jar. The ingredient list is longer and has a lot of long words in it. At least someone recognizes the significance of the dastardly deed 'cause no longer does the label proclaim Proudly made in Australia since 1923. Instead, it just states Product of Australia. Since you are practically the only person I know in Australia, I hold you _personally_ responsible for this atrocity. You must have been out digging ditches or waxing your Mercedes when they slipped this one through. --Philip, who is still eating Vegemite, just not enjoying it quite as much. There is probably a conspiracy to keep Aussie vegemite out of the US. While one of my grandsons was doing a college semester in Australia, he sent me a packet of vegemite. While enroute, someone obviously stomped on it since all the vegemite was squished out of the packet. I did get a taste of it, and it tasted pretty good, but the vegemite in the US supermarkets is not the same as Phillip declared. On a similar subject, I wish the U.S. gov't would hurry up and make peace with Iran so we can once again buy the best pistachios in the world. Pistachios grown in California simply have no taste. Gerry __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer
clay wrote: Butt here is a panel. We are not allowed to pull aside the curtain and see them at work. They are the insurance miscreants The medical staff who slacks off on providing decent care The boys from Big Pharma, who price the medication out of reach, so as to make obscene profit The welfare and medicare schlubs who suck the economy dry and give nothing in return The hospital corporations who see no profit in filling a bed over paying executives like kings All of whom see the large cache of $$ ready to be absorbed, so... they submit their hyped billings for payment. Again, read The Law by Frederic Bastiat available free for download at fee.org or mises.org mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
Is this what you what Mountain-man-dan? http://newjersey.craigslist.org/grd/3950468948.html On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Dan wrote: I recently sold a pretty decent Crapsman lawn tractor with a Kohler 17HP engine... Finally. Finally you mention what I thought you would have spoken first - Kohler, which I thought was your employer, and about whom you seem to rave, in past years. We have a Bobcat Ransomes 48 walk behind with 14hp Kohler I/C that we have used for 15 years, purchased new. Gets around all trees shrubs. Does not lug 150 pound human on it, as it is walk behind. We went in to the local shop - use local as you have said, Dan - and we told him we had 2.5 acres to mow, he looked at me and counseled a walk behind. I have legs, my sons have legs, we walk. Totally maneuverable moreso than a tractor. As someone else mentioned, get a single purpose machine for lawn, then another machine for snow, if/when. The Kohler is tight as new, starts no problem, we add fuel/oil and it just runs. This is commercial machine that was expensive, but... it has earned its keep. We could take it out today and run it 5 days a week mowing suburban areas - the machine is built to last 50 years, USA made. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D crackhead perhaps
Hendrik wrote: Hendrik who still has fond memories of the mao mobile I should have let you use the 3-pedal car. Immensely more memorable. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Roger?
I always figured he had some kind of connection to the auto industry. He knew a few too many details about certain things to not be on the inside. Or already have friends on the inside. Jaime On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: clay wrote: same name, not the same guy. That is what I was thinking. Roger never impressed me as lawyer. I pegged him as manager at perhaps ATT or other comm company, but I don't know. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
i'd just a reel mower if i were you . moves well and changes direction easily! On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Funny you should mention Snapper... I got a older rear engined model for free. It had been sitting outside and I had little hope for it based on cosmetic condition. I went over the basics and rebuild the pull starter. The damn thing started on the second pull and ran great. Unfortunately, its just not maneuverable enough for my yard. Everything is irregularly shaped around here, so I need something that will change directions easily. Mowing with the snapper is a real chore, especially changing directions. Not to mention the deck alignment is messed up and it really chewed up my grass, but I could fix that. It has a nice 10hp commercial Tecumseh engine. Someone on CL will be happy with it. Jaime On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 8:11 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: For such a small property the good in a small diesel will never outweigh the premium you need to pay for it. That one you linked to is probably going to be a disaster. The neglect evident on the outside will be reflected everywhere... The real W123 of the garden tractor world is a small frame Cub Cadet models 70, 100, 71, 72, 102 etc. I have a model 70 at the house which is a 7hp from 1964. I've mowed our 1/4 acre with it although its overkill for that and used it to plow our little driveway which its a little underweight for although thats fixable. With a snowblower it'd be all set for any size driveway. At camp I've got a 72 which is a 7hp model from 1967. I've got that equipped with crossbar tires like a big tractor has. It hauls wood and plows (ploughs for those on the other side of the pond) up a little patch of land we plant for the wildlife. Again its a little underweight but I've got a kit to fluid fill the tires. Something like a 100 with its 10hp would do a little better. The one at the house is pretty tired, the engine really needs rebuilding. My current plan is to repower with a 10hp diesel. I've found Chinese copies of Yanmar singles for around $600. The torque curve on the 10hp is more like a 14hp gasser. Anyway for what you suggest you need I'd say go to Lowes, Home Depot, Sears or wherever and buy the $999 lawn tractor, then lay down whatever they want for the snowblower attachment, chains and weight box. 95% of all lawn tractors sold today are made by MTD and pretty much every place that carries lawn tractors carries the same one for $999. At camp we've got one badged Craftsman. My grandmother's is Bolens and my dad just bought a TroyBuilt but they all exactly the same machine. The 17hp engine is powerful and the rest of the tractor is good enough. They've made a bazillion of them so parts access is easy and its got a 42 deck and wants to mow in a pretty high gear so it'll eat right through your 1/2 acre plenty quick. If you want something more rugged look into a Snapper rear engine rider. Those are the modern equivalent of a w123. I use one to mow our lawn now. Its a 1964, 8hp, I pulled it out from under a spruce tree on our farm about 4 years ago and repowered it with an engine from a 1988. They make a ton of attachments including a snowblower. AFAIK Snapper is one of the last brands that actually makes their own stuff. Even the low end JD and Cub Cadet stuff is all MTD. -Curt Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 19:24:46 -0400 From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com,Banned List ban...@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels Message-ID: cacy-ba+vk6urm21gyndq8oxrcribe7wmk_wzdnlu0z79tc2...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Anyone on the list have a JD garden tractor? We moved and I'm not so interested in using my push mower anymore. When we had 0.16 acres it was fine, but I'm looking for something a little more aggressive. John Deere 330, 332, 455, and similar models with the 3 cylinder yanmar diesel really interest me. Anyone have one or any experience? From what I've read, they're the diesel W123 of garden tractors. I don't have a huge amount to mow, about 1/2 acre, but I have potentially 500' of driveway to plow in the winter, and could find other uses for a powerful compact tractor. And if I run out of justifications: they're really cool and I want one. This is local enough and the price is right, but looks pretty rough: http://cnj.craigslist.org/grd/3951606736.html NJ isn't exactly tractor country, so there isn't much to choose from. Anyone have any experience with these? Jaime -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
I've had a JD LX173 garden/lawn tractor with 44-inch mulching deck since '96; just spent $434 on blades, belts, battery filters, etc. 'Nother $216 for tires. Does great job of mulching in-place leaves, grass, weeds, small limbs, etc., basically most anything that I direct it toward, through, and over, on my 1¼ acres. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels My dad had one of those little 3cyl JD diesels, 4WD, PTO etc. with a mowing deck under. It was a great little tractor. I ended up selling it at the auction, now kicking myself as I could now use it and I did not get much for it. It had its occasional issues, probably from not being used when I was not at the farm visiting, but was pretty simple to deal with. Having an old Benz diesel helped! --R On 8/2/13 7:24 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Anyone on the list have a JD garden tractor? We moved and I'm not so interested in using my push mower anymore. When we had 0.16 acres it was fine, but I'm looking for something a little more aggressive. John Deere 330, 332, 455, and similar models with the 3 cylinder yanmar diesel really interest me. Anyone have one or any experience? From what I've read, they're the diesel W123 of garden tractors. I don't have a huge amount to mow, about 1/2 acre, but I have potentially 500' of driveway to plow in the winter, and could find other uses for a powerful compact tractor. And if I run out of justifications: they're really cool and I want one. This is local enough and the price is right, but looks pretty rough: http://cnj.craigslist.org/grd/3951606736.html NJ isn't exactly tractor country, so there isn't much to choose from. Anyone have any experience with these? Jaime ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
Jaime wrote: Is this what you what Mountain-man-dan? http://newjersey.craigslist.org/grd/3950468948.html We don't bag. Ours is 48 You would need to ask Dan about 12.5hp Kohler, but our 14hp I/C runs excellent and is black color. Totally maneuverable, easy maintenance, in your price range, I recommend. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
drfatty wrote: i'd just a reel mower if i were you . moves well and changes direction easily! Absolutely!! mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
How 'bout the squiter population? ;) BTW, I have a HEAVY crop of oak (and other) leaves every year. Almost all of the leaves that have fallen on my lot since '96 are still where they fell - soon mulched in-place by my JD LX173 and are now feeding lush centipede (plus some weeds) that I must mow this afternoon. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels I live in the woods in the Lowcountry. No grass and no snow, and my wife has a fascination with raking up the leaves that fall, for reasons I do not fully understand. The PO left his little Crapsman lawn tractor which has a mower deck but there is nothing to mow (I think he used it to mulch the leaves for some reason) and it keep shedding the belt, so I got a tip wagon for my wife to put her leaves into and haul them off somewhere else. So far she has not used it, but uses the little HF wire wagon thing I got her. I left the snowblower at my dad's on my way from Boston to Houston when we moved there, and ended up selling the thing at the farm auction. I spit on its grave! I do have to get the whacker out occasionally just to beat down random weeds and such, and there is bamboo that keeps trying to spread, but that is like 2x/yr for an hour or so. Falling trees are a bigger problem. If I had kept my dad's JD diesel I would have put a bucket on it just to move stuff around, mostly the leaves that my wife leaves in the wrong places after she rakes them up and hauls them somewhere else. --R On 8/3/13 11:10 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: You just changed your requirements entirely. With this in mind you want a zero turn. The brand probably doesn't matter, again I expect most of them are made by MTD. Get a big engine and find one you can fit with a snowblower and you'll be all set. You'll need chains and a weight box of course but it'll do the job well for what snow you'll expect to see. Any of the diesel front engine machines will be big and turn like a bus... -Curt Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 09:03:47 -0400 From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels Message-ID: cacy-balxmuzidtetrr2ogqnzktus+fakm6cb5tjdu1om-mi...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Funny you should mention Snapper... I got a older rear engined model for free. It had been sitting outside and I had little hope for it based on cosmetic condition. I went over the basics and rebuild the pull starter. The damn thing started on the second pull and ran great. Unfortunately, its just not maneuverable enough for my yard. Everything is irregularly shaped around here, so I need something that will change directions easily. Mowing with the snapper is a real chore, especially changing directions. Not to mention the deck alignment is messed up and it really chewed up my grass, but I could fix that. It has a nice 10hp commercial Tecumseh engine. Someone on CL will be happy with it. Jaime ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer
money is an issue. the idea of unlimited healthcare for anyone once they enter the system in any way (which is most people) is insane and unsustainable. we need death panels and a sensible rationing of healthcare. we need similar measures throughout society unless you think the unlimited printing of money to pay for it all is going to work out in the end On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: clay wrote: Butt here is a panel. We are not allowed to pull aside the curtain and see them at work. They are the insurance miscreants The medical staff who slacks off on providing decent care The boys from Big Pharma, who price the medication out of reach, so as to make obscene profit The welfare and medicare schlubs who suck the economy dry and give nothing in return The hospital corporations who see no profit in filling a bed over paying executives like kings All of whom see the large cache of $$ ready to be absorbed, so... they submit their hyped billings for payment. Again, read The Law by Frederic Bastiat available free for download at fee.org or mises.org mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer
drfatty wrote: money is an issue. the idea of unlimited healthcare for anyone once they enter the system in any way (which is most people) is insane and unsustainable. we need death panels and a sensible rationing of healthcare. we need similar measures throughout society unless you think the unlimited printing of money to pay for it all is going to work out in the end Get back to your original expression on this thread. We are wy past any recovery. Recovery means a return to former time. We are on the verge of military coup. We are on the verge of big change of some sort. Recovery is a hope for cure - totally unrealistic. Things have progressed way beyond our imagination or ability to accomplish anything sustainable. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Microsoft Community
Regarding the problem I'm having with the list digests showing up with individual attachment icons across the top and the TOC being one of 'em causing one to open this attachment to determine if there's any subject matter in a particular digest worth reading, I'm gonna' give Microsoft Community or some knowledgeable compu-geek on the list one last chance to help resolve this issue . . . otherwise I'm just gonna' permanenty unsubscribe. Note: This problem didn't exist prior to my going on vacation on 7/13 and resubscribing upon my return on 7/24. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?
You can't judge California by the produce you get at your local market. That stuff has been picked before its ripe and force ripened later. California oranges for instance are WAY WAY more flavorful than the balls of water you get from Florida. They don't get the water the Florida varieties get so they are much more intense. There is nothing quite as good as a fresh squeezed glass of California orange juice when the oranges were picked yesterday... Florida oranges are okay if they're tree ripened, to get that you have to be in Florida though. -Curt Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 11:48:58 -0400 From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite? Message-ID: caciok3ubz4vqtuaj_sv0h3m2sde2wrguteatj0+gwngvxyf...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 nothing grown in california seems to have any taste anymore. worst fruit i know of, at least ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Microsoft Community
I think you should just unsubscribe. I am sorry you are having problems but as I have indicated to you many times, nothing has changed on this end, there is nothing I can do to help you. People have offered you many ideas for resolving your problems such as using gmail. You are the only person having these problems. Setting ultimatums for someone to help you or else is just annoying as hell. Geez! On 8/3/2013 11:14 AM, G. M. Brown wrote: Regarding the problem I'm having with the list digests showing up with individual attachment icons across the top and the TOC being one of 'em causing one to open this attachment to determine if there's any subject matter in a particular digest worth reading, I'm gonna' give Microsoft Community or some knowledgeable compu-geek on the list one last chance to help resolve this issue . . . otherwise I'm just gonna' permanenty unsubscribe. Note: This problem didn't exist prior to my going on vacation on 7/13 and resubscribing upon my return on 7/24. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3209/6548 - Release Date: 08/03/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?
By law Florida citrus must be picked green, passed in the early 1900's when it took a week to get to New York. Stupid law, there is nothing as good as properly ripened Florida oranges. Almost impossible to find now, though, as the best growing area is now houses. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Microsoft Community
Haven't followed this and don't know what has been tried but... have you looked at all the subscription options in the link at the bottom of each message, particularly the 'Get MIME or Plain Text Digests?' toggle? If it's set to plain text and you are having issues, I'd change to mime, then save. I would then try to change back to plain text and re-save. If that has been done to no avail I'd be stumped, too. To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Dave '82 240D (3 pedal), '84 300TD (Euro), '85 300TD (Cali) On Aug 3, 2013, at 9:14 AM, G. M. Brown wrote: Regarding the problem I'm having with the list digests showing up with individual attachment icons across the top and the TOC being one of 'em causing one to open this attachment to determine if there's any subject matter in a particular digest worth reading, I'm gonna' give Microsoft Community or some knowledgeable compu-geek on the list one last chance to help resolve this issue . . . otherwise I'm just gonna' permanenty unsubscribe. Note: This problem didn't exist prior to my going on vacation on 7/13 and resubscribing upon my return on 7/24. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
You know, living right on the marsh I expected it to be much worse, but it isn't that bad. Even with all the rain we have had the crop is not that noticeable. It was much worse in Houston. I think the county sprays around but I have not seen the black helicopter around us. The gnats (noseeums) are much worse in the spring and fall. Them little buggers are nasty and vicious. --R On 8/3/13 12:10 PM, WILTON wrote: How 'bout the squiter population? ;) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Funny you should mention Snapper... I got a older rear engined model for free. It had been sitting outside and I had little hope for it based on cosmetic condition. I went over the basics and rebuild the pull starter. The damn thing started on the second pull and ran great. Unfortunately, its just not maneuverable enough for my yard. Everything is irregularly shaped around here, so I need something that will change directions easily. If a rear engine Snapper isn't handy enough for you, stay far away from anything old that looks like a tractor. Maybe a commercial walk-behind or a small zero turn rider? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Yelp is evil.
Do not use it! It has destroyed a good friend's business. They leave all the bad reviews and filter out all the good. I can't imagine why there isn't an ongoing class action law suit against these bastards. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
Yep, I was gonna ask 'bout gnats, too, but then forgot. In middle Georgia (Warner Robins, Macon, etc.), there's a move called the Warner Robins Salute. You simultaneously raise both hands as if to clap, but you bring 'em together immediately in front of the face in an effort to kill as many gnats as possible with one clap. Repeat as necessary, which is often. Same move applies to squiters in MI UP and Greenland. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels You know, living right on the marsh I expected it to be much worse, but it isn't that bad. Even with all the rain we have had the crop is not that noticeable. It was much worse in Houston. I think the county sprays around but I have not seen the black helicopter around us. The gnats (noseeums) are much worse in the spring and fall. Them little buggers are nasty and vicious. --R On 8/3/13 12:10 PM, WILTON wrote: How 'bout the squiter population? ;) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
You know, looking at the price for mowers, maintenance, fuel, etc., and the time one spends on doing it, hiring a guest worker is a pretty cheap option. Most of them work fast, cheap, and pretty good. In Houston the competition was fierce, you could get them to do the yard for $25. 3 guys roll out of the truck, one mowing, one trimming, one cleaning up, and they were out of there in like 15min. Jefe made sure it was done well. The yards weren't that big, but still... --R On 8/3/13 1:20 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: If a rear engine Snapper isn't handy enough for you, stay far away from anything old that looks like a tractor. Maybe a commercial walk-behind or a small zero turn rider? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
Yep, I've been thinking 'bout that, too, but I've always been much of an independent guy, and riding/driving the mower is one thing I can still do - gives me a bit of a psychological boost to know that I can still do SOMETHING. 'Course, I already know nobody else is gonna do it like I want it, and that'd probably make me damned mad - take my money and make me mad, too - rather do it myself; then, if I mess it up, I can be upset with only myself. 'Course, now, if I really look hard enough, I could probably find somebody else to lay that on too. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels You know, looking at the price for mowers, maintenance, fuel, etc., and the time one spends on doing it, hiring a guest worker is a pretty cheap option. Most of them work fast, cheap, and pretty good. In Houston the competition was fierce, you could get them to do the yard for $25. 3 guys roll out of the truck, one mowing, one trimming, one cleaning up, and they were out of there in like 15min. Jefe made sure it was done well. The yards weren't that big, but still... --R On 8/3/13 1:20 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: If a rear engine Snapper isn't handy enough for you, stay far away from anything old that looks like a tractor. Maybe a commercial walk-behind or a small zero turn rider? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
If I could figure out where to hire some here I would have them out back stripping down cars and cleaning up. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 3, 2013, at 12:36 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: You know, looking at the price for mowers, maintenance, fuel, etc., and the time one spends on doing it, hiring a guest worker is a pretty cheap option. Most of them work fast, cheap, and pretty good. In Houston the competition was fierce, you could get them to do the yard for $25. 3 guys roll out of the truck, one mowing, one trimming, one cleaning up, and they were out of there in like 15min. Jefe made sure it was done well. The yards weren't that big, but still... --R On 8/3/13 1:20 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: If a rear engine Snapper isn't handy enough for you, stay far away from anything old that looks like a tractor. Maybe a commercial walk-behind or a small zero turn rider? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com writes: i'd just a reel mower if i were you . moves well and changes direction easily! Great if you have a small yard. Not exactly practical if you have acres. Allan -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Microsoft Community
On Aug 3, 2013 9:54 AM, Dave Cavner w123wa...@gmail.com wrote: Haven't followed this and don't know what has been tried but... have you looked at all the subscription options in the link at the bottom of each message, particularly the 'Get MIME or Plain Text Digests?' toggle? If it's set to plain text and you are having issues, I'd change to mime, then save. I would then try to change back to plain text and re-save. If that has been done to no avail I'd be stumped, too. Right, what Dave said. This is a known problem with Hotmail, as I posted a few days back. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
Heh. The first house we bought in WI had a really small yard. I had sold my trusty Wheel Horse when we moved up, so I needed a small walk behind mower to do the yard. For $50 I bought an almost unused single cylinder driven reel mower with a clipping basket on the back. Nicest cutting mower I ever had. Still had the original paperwork with it. Dan Sent from my iPad On Aug 3, 2013, at 12:01 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i'd just a reel mower if i were you . moves well and changes direction easily! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
We have that here as well, only it's not just jefes. A lot of firemen and people with similar jobs who have the time for a second business. Sent from my iPad On Aug 3, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: You know, looking at the price for mowers, maintenance, fuel, etc., and the time one spends on doing it, hiring a guest worker is a pretty cheap option. Most of them work fast, cheap, and pretty good. In Houston the competition was fierce, you could get them to do the yard for $25. 3 guys roll out of the truck, one mowing, one trimming, one cleaning up, and they were out of there in like 15min. Jefe made sure it was done well. The yards weren't that big, but still... --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yelp is evil.
Might be a scam like the BBB where you have to join in order to get good ratings/reviews (or to clean up bad ones). dsereta...@yahoo.com writes: Do not use it! It has destroyed a good friend's business. They leave all the bad reviews and filter out all the good. I can't imagine why there isn't an ongoing class action law suit against these bastards. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
Uh, Oklahoma? Heoo! You are in Occupied Aztlan! Don't you have a Home Depot around? Or just go south of the border (Tejas) and get a few. --R On 8/3/13 1:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: If I could figure out where to hire some here I would have them out back stripping down cars and cleaning up. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 3, 2013, at 12:36 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: You know, looking at the price for mowers, maintenance, fuel, etc., and the time one spends on doing it, hiring a guest worker is a pretty cheap option. Most of them work fast, cheap, and pretty good. In Houston the competition was fierce, you could get them to do the yard for $25. 3 guys roll out of the truck, one mowing, one trimming, one cleaning up, and they were out of there in like 15min. Jefe made sure it was done well. The yards weren't that big, but still... --R On 8/3/13 1:20 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: If a rear engine Snapper isn't handy enough for you, stay far away from anything old that looks like a tractor. Maybe a commercial walk-behind or a small zero turn rider? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
It gets tiresome for me to constantly carry on about Kohler. Their engines nowadays are no more distinct than most other manufacturers, especially in the consumer products. The days of the heavy iron K series are long gone. Their larger twin cylinder models are still very good, but to be honest a lot of the imported engines are just as good or better in some circumstances. They've become a commodity, but maybe not as bad as Briggs or Tecumseh. Those are still pretty much throwaways as they have always been. Dan Sent from my iPad On Aug 3, 2013, at 11:39 AM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Dan wrote: I recently sold a pretty decent Crapsman lawn tractor with a Kohler 17HP engine... Finally. Finally you mention what I thought you would have spoken first - Kohler, which I thought was your employer, and about whom you seem to rave, in past years. We have a Bobcat Ransomes 48 walk behind with 14hp Kohler I/C that we have used for 15 years, purchased new. Gets around all trees shrubs. Does not lug 150 pound human on it, as it is walk behind. We went in to the local shop - use local as you have said, Dan - and we told him we had 2.5 acres to mow, he looked at me and counseled a walk behind. I have legs, my sons have legs, we walk. Totally maneuverable moreso than a tractor. As someone else mentioned, get a single purpose machine for lawn, then another machine for snow, if/when. The Kohler is tight as new, starts no problem, we add fuel/oil and it just runs. This is commercial machine that was expensive, but... it has earned its keep. We could take it out today and run it 5 days a week mowing suburban areas - the machine is built to last 50 years, USA made. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com writes: For $50 I bought an almost unused single cylinder driven reel mower with a clipping basket on the back. Nicest cutting mower I ever had. Still had the original paperwork with it. Does anyone make powered reel mowers anymore? The only ones I've seen are specialty tractor types for used on the greens at golf courses. Don't they require a lot of maintenance in sharpening and adusting the clearance between the reel and blade? -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
Curt wrote: Any of the diesel front engine machines will be big and turn like a bus... But unlike your beloved Cub, the John Deere with the hydrostatic drive is easy to change direction and speed. And the hydraulics are use for power steering too. Therefore, it drives like it's smaller than it looks. Since I'd guess that you could sell it again for what you bought it - maybe more if you put a bit of effort into it - I'd say buy it and try it. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
Well, how hard would you work for $100 per hour? I'm always astonished that people will pay someone to do their yard work upwards of $100 per hour when they want to pay the people who work for them and generate their income $10 an hour. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
Briggs used to make some pretty good engines with iron sleeves and proper bearings. Not anymore, the Quantums are junk, I've yet to see one that doesn't burn oil and have too much blowby. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
Jaime wrote: Is this what you what Mountain-man-dan? http://newjersey.craigslist.org/grd/3950468948.html That looks like a tiny bagger for a deck that big. Would seem a user would spend a lot of time stopping and emptying it... -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
Looks like they still make them: http://www.toro.com/en-us/sports-fields-grounds/mowers/riding-walk-reels/pages/default.aspx Dan Sent from my iPad On Aug 3, 2013, at 12:01 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i'd just a reel mower if i were you . moves well and changes direction easily! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bacon OT
High tech country ham and bacon? What's the world coming to? On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: At Costco last year some guy was selling these automated smoker grill things that had a motorized auger to put wood chips in the fire box. It had some sort of thermostat control on it. I was actually tempted but my old Brinkman barrel smoker does a pretty good job. But you are correct, the electric smokers sorta do the same thing but differently. --R On 8/3/13 11:12 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: As much as I hate the concept an electric smoker is the deal for this, nothing else can compete with it for keeping the temp right. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
Yea but I have never seen any Mexicans standing around, you know we have strict laws against illegal Mexicans here Sent from my iPhone On Aug 3, 2013, at 1:31 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Uh, Oklahoma? Heoo! You are in Occupied Aztlan! Don't you have a Home Depot around? Or just go south of the border (Tejas) and get a few. --R On 8/3/13 1:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: If I could figure out where to hire some here I would have them out back stripping down cars and cleaning up. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 3, 2013, at 12:36 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: You know, looking at the price for mowers, maintenance, fuel, etc., and the time one spends on doing it, hiring a guest worker is a pretty cheap option. Most of them work fast, cheap, and pretty good. In Houston the competition was fierce, you could get them to do the yard for $25. 3 guys roll out of the truck, one mowing, one trimming, one cleaning up, and they were out of there in like 15min. Jefe made sure it was done well. The yards weren't that big, but still... --R On 8/3/13 1:20 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: If a rear engine Snapper isn't handy enough for you, stay far away from anything old that looks like a tractor. Maybe a commercial walk-behind or a small zero turn rider? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net writes: I'm always astonished that people will pay someone to do their yard work upwards of $100 per hour when they want to pay the people who work for them and generate their income $10 an hour. Simple supply and demand. -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com writes: But unlike your beloved Cub, the John Deere with the hydrostatic drive is easy to change direction and speed. And the hydraulics are use for power steering too. Therefore, it drives like it's smaller than it looks. My old wheel horse with three-speed transaxle changes speed and direction easily. You do have to use a clutch but I'm so used to it I don't even notice. -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
No, there is an infinite supply of people who will mow grass, so why do they get paid more than the infinite supply of people who MAKE MONEY FOR YOU? The question of the age, I think. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
This guy showed up in my hood one day, offered to my wife to mow the lawn (I was gone somewhere at the time, I usually did it on Sat aft. So she says OK. This guy had some old beatup car with a mower and a whacker and rake in the back. He did a nice job, came back the next week and says he was the one who mowed last week, can he mow this week, I ask him how much, he says $30. I say $25 he says OK. So it takes him ever how long, he does a nice job, nice guy. Asks if he can do it from now on, I say sure, saved me the trouble in 100F heat, which I didn't really mind, but wifey says it frees me up to do other things (she wanted me doing), OK. So this guy does my lawn the next few years, shows up like clockwork same time every week. After awhile he has an old truck and a couple more implements, and some other guy. While longer a ratty trailer and 3 or 4 mowers, whackers and what not, and another guy. Some time later brand new Ford pickup, new trailer, new equipment and 3 guys. Now he is jefe, watches these guys while he is on the phone cooking other deals or whatever, no sweat for him. Never raised the price in like 3 or 4 years. When we moved and still owned the house, my neighbor, whose yard he also did, would pay him and I sent my neighbor a check every month $100. I had him do some other stuff remotely, after Ike blew through he just showed up and cleaned things up, never charged for it, kept the house looking nice. So figuring $25 for 3 guys who could do 3-4 lawns in the hood in an hour, probably worked 10 hours a day and paying them maybe $7-8/hr, he was raking in some serious cash being jefe. In the winter when stuff didn't grow much, even in Houston, he would head off to Mexico for extended visits, a month or so a couple times, I'm sure he was paying his taxes too... never did figure out the border crossing but maybe by then he had papers or something. I was always conflicted about encouraging these guys who were most [very/absolutely] likely illegals, but they worked hard, were reliable, decent people, and never caused any trouble. They were living the dream while the layabout population increased. I had wished we could do a swap. --R On 8/3/13 2:55 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net writes: I'm always astonished that people will pay someone to do their yard work upwards of $100 per hour when they want to pay the people who work for them and generate their income $10 an hour. Simple supply and demand. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
You crack me up --R On 8/3/13 2:55 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Yea but I have never seen any Mexicans standing around, you know we have strict laws against illegal Mexicans here Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?
i consider that a possible explanation. i know that eastern peaches i can buy here are magnificent but california peaches are literally inedible. but it is entirely possible that a california peach picked in season in california is really quite good. you cannot get good produce from the supermarket, even if it is local/regional. the answer is to go buy from privateers who drive their trucks out to the wholesale houses in immokalee or homestead and then go sell it in some parking lot. i wish i'd have the opportunity to buy peaches from the grove in california to see if it is just california fruit that is bad or it is the process of bringing it to me that is bad. but i don't. so i avoid all california produce. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: You can't judge California by the produce you get at your local market. That stuff has been picked before its ripe and force ripened later. California oranges for instance are WAY WAY more flavorful than the balls of water you get from Florida. They don't get the water the Florida varieties get so they are much more intense. There is nothing quite as good as a fresh squeezed glass of California orange juice when the oranges were picked yesterday... Florida oranges are okay if they're tree ripened, to get that you have to be in Florida though. -Curt Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 11:48:58 -0400 From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite? Message-ID: caciok3ubz4vqtuaj_sv0h3m2sde2wrguteatj0+gwngvxyf...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 nothing grown in california seems to have any taste anymore. worst fruit i know of, at least ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Who change the Vegemite?
the best oranges i've ever eaten were blood oranges bought at a grove in central florida i at a diner in bradenton last year at a diner and the bus boy was carrying a glass of orange juice. i told him that i bet that orange juice came from a can, probabl purchased at walmart, and the juice came from brasil, even though there are nothing but orange groves for miles around him. he just laughed and told me that this was true but the irony of it never struck him till that moment i once went to see the mixon groves in bradenton. had a cup of fresh squeezed. commented that it tasted like tropicana. young richard mixon (i told him that he was not a crook. somehow it's funny to me but i imagine it's less funny when you've heard it from 10,000 other tourist)( just laughed and asked me what i expected it to taste like given that tropicana orange juice is bradenton oranges of course, today your tropicana orange juice is no longer all bradenton oranges as housing is worth more than groves, so they just buy their oranges from brasil like everybody else. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: By law Florida citrus must be picked green, passed in the early 1900's when it took a week to get to New York. Stupid law, there is nothing as good as properly ripened Florida oranges. Almost impossible to find now, though, as the best growing area is now houses. Peter __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
Who actually makes that tractor/mower? I'd bet it's Yanmar or another offshore company. When I went looking for a compact utility tractor (CUT), I discovered that there is no such thing as an American-made CUT. The Deere models were made by Yanmar and Iseki, Massey Fergusons were made by TAFE in India, and so forth. Most of the smaller gas lawn tractors are made by MTD or AYP (and maybe some others) regardless of the color of the paint or the logo. After researching this stuff I ended up with a Craftsman lawn tractor (which turned out to be a Husqvarna clone made by AYP) and a Kioti tractor, made by Daedong in Korea. But in addition to the initial quality of the machine, think hard about the cost and availability of parts. I out very little stock in the brand name of these machines but I take interest in who actually made them and where. Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jon Agne Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 7:27 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels Hi Jaime, Nothing runs like a Deere! If you are going to buy a tractor, don't even think about any others. I've owned/used three different JD lawn tractors over the years, and my neighbors (who all had brand x, y or z) always told me they wished they had spent the extra $$ on a JD. That being said..DO NOT BUY that tractor on CL. Those tractors were designed and built for the actual farm market or landscapers, and as such, most have been used hard and continuously since their purchase. The engines are probably OK, but you have to think of all the other parts on a lawn tractor which can and will go bad. That CL mower looks pretty sketchy. Buy one of these the same way you would buy a used MBtotal package. The absolute best JD I had was a GT275 with blower and 48 deck. Even though I moved to a much smaller yard, I never should have sold it. It had a 17hp Kawasaki 2-cylinder which always started and never once smoked. the implements were belt drive, and very easy to change. The next best was the LX277, which is the lawn tractor version of the GT275. It had the same emgine with a 42 mulching deck that gave a superb cut. The blower was the same IIRC. I also had the chance to use and work on a 100 Series (125). It couldn't hold a candle to the first two mentioned, and I would stay away. It was just flimsier all around. In closing, unless you want to spend all of your time working on an old lawn tractor, stay away from old diesels with hydraulics. Jon PS: If you find a good LX277 that you don't want, call me...I'm in the market. On Aug 2, 2013, at 7:24 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Anyone on the list have a JD garden tractor? We moved and I'm not so interested in using my push mower anymore. When we had 0.16 acres it was fine, but I'm looking for something a little more aggressive. John Deere 330, 332, 455, and similar models with the 3 cylinder yanmar diesel really interest me. Anyone have one or any experience? From what I've read, they're the diesel W123 of garden tractors. I don't have a huge amount to mow, about 1/2 acre, but I have potentially 500' of driveway to plow in the winter, and could find other uses for a powerful compact tractor. And if I run out of justifications: they're really cool and I want one. This is local enough and the price is right, but looks pretty rough: http://cnj.craigslist.org/grd/3951606736.html NJ isn't exactly tractor country, so there isn't much to choose from. Anyone have any experience with these? Jaime -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
--R wrote: I was always conflicted about encouraging these guys who were most [very/absolutely] likely illegals, but they worked hard, were reliable, decent people, and never caused any trouble. They were living the dream while the layabout population increased. I had wished we could do a swap. Give us your primer on the current fiasco the brainless happy faces tell us is happenin' in DC. I can't see a problem. A sealed border wall is only gonna make more $$ for the likes of Kozlowski and Halliburton and other connected cheats. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer
we need death panels and a sensible rationing of healthcare. I would put it differently. We need a way to make smart cost-benefit decisions concerning health care. Historically, we had a way. If you could afford it (typically because you worked and saved or because loved ones did) you could decide what to do. I don't think that's all bad. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 12:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer money is an issue. the idea of unlimited healthcare for anyone once they enter the system in any way (which is most people) is insane and unsustainable. we need death panels and a sensible rationing of healthcare. we need similar measures throughout society unless you think the unlimited printing of money to pay for it all is going to work out in the end On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: clay wrote: Butt here is a panel. We are not allowed to pull aside the curtain and see them at work. They are the insurance miscreants The medical staff who slacks off on providing decent care The boys from Big Pharma, who price the medication out of reach, so as to make obscene profit The welfare and medicare schlubs who suck the economy dry and give nothing in return The hospital corporations who see no profit in filling a bed over paying executives like kings All of whom see the large cache of $$ ready to be absorbed, so... they submit their hyped billings for payment. Again, read The Law by Frederic Bastiat available free for download at fee.org or mises.org mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Microsoft Community
Dave wrote: Haven't followed this and don't know what has been tried but... Perhaps you ought to copy him on this advice. I don't think he sees the stuff posted to okiebenz. Also mention gmail. All ya need is a browser. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yelp is evil.
dseretakis wrote: Do not use it! It has destroyed a good friend's business. They leave all the bad reviews and filter out all the good. I can't imagine why there isn't an ongoing class action law suit against these bastards. It might be that competitors have purchased good ratings? meaning that only good ratings come to them. Always, follow the money. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer
Scott wrote: I would put it differently. Your differently was at a different time than today. Today, the primary commodity of all existence is $$. No $$? - we wave goodbye to you. Go back further when we had docs that visited at your house and did the work for eggs/beef/bacon. Humanity lived and worked together. Humanity is not a concept today. $$ rules all activity/interest/community. As drfatty said - it is a sad day and there is zero vision of hope or change today. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yelp is evil.
Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com writes: It might be that competitors have purchased good ratings? meaning that only good ratings come to them. Always, follow the money. Another thing is that when people are satisfied they usually don't bother to comment or go out of their way to leave ratings. When people are pissed off they do. So online ratings will always be biased towards the negative when compared to reality. I personally don't ever look online for a rating of anything, as I don't ever know what to believe. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer
My views on treatment were kept to myself. I did as my parents desired, which was to attempt treatment. Dad was ambulatory until the Fire Department came to cart him off to the hospital 14 hours before he bit it. clay. Who will self select for DNR and eliminate the need for treatment On Aug 3, 2013, at 5:20 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Because you can never cut costs if 80% of your spending goes to support 40% of your population who are elderly and half a step away from death's door anyway. What we really need is a clear set of guidelines that tell us things like, if you haven't been out of bed in the last 6 months we won't pursue cancer treatment because thats pointless. I think most of the time its not the person deciding its their kids... -Curt Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2013 19:52:47 -0400 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer Message-ID: m161vn646o@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: If you're 90 years old and confined to your bed barely awake I'm saying we shouldn't treat you for anything other than pain. We dope you to the point where you don't hurt and we let nature take its course. Theres no point in treating the cancer or heart disease or whatever if your life sucks. Why not leave that decision up to the individual? If someone else is deciding, that is a death panel. That all that phrase means. Allan -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Jaime diesel mower
Come get this mower: http://southbend.craigslist.org/bar/3908171109.html mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer
We had to bring in legal documentation before the dang catholics would allow my father to die in their care. Every person giving care was made to read and verbalize their understanding of the document. Sadly, they would not speed him on his way to go play harps at the pearly gates clay who does not get off on harp music On Aug 3, 2013, at 5:30 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: I agree with you entirely except: 1. Most people are idiots or rather they're completely uneducated about anything having to do with their health. 2. Good information is hard to find even if you are somewhat savvy. 3. Almost nobody has these discussions in advance. For example I've got a pretty good handle on how my folks feel, my mom is a death and dying nurse in a veterans nursing home so we've had some pretty candid conversations. My wife's folks though have provided us pretty much zero idea and while they don't refuse to talk about it they slide around like they're greased. My wife is working on a plan to pin them down but its taken a ton of effort on her part. Even if the guidelines I mentioned before weren't for doctors to stop providing care it would be helpful for families when accessing how far they should go. Ahh, another for instance, my grandmother had her hip replaced 10 years ago when she was 83, came through with flying colors. Last year she was complaining about her knees, wanted them replaced too. The doctor told her no, that at 92 it didn't make any sense and she's going to have to get used to some knee pain. We like that Doc... -Curt Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 21:06:16 -0400 From: Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer Message-ID: 8E278DAFC4684E3681AA0A642B87F0B2@ScottPC Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii Clearly, there is a point where the quality of life (or absence thereof) is such that death is preferable to being a specimen for the medical establishment to practice on. I've been down that road with pets and family members (both parents, for example). But who gets to decide when your life isn't worth living? Family doctor? A committee in DC? Next of Kin? Arbitrary age limits? The patient? Frankly, I believe most patients and families would make the best decision provided they had good information and had considered such issues seriously long before any decision is needed. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 5:04 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer If you're 90 years old and confined to your bed barely awake I'm saying we shouldn't treat you for anything other than pain. We dope you to the point where you don't hurt and we let nature take its course. Theres no point in treating the cancer or heart disease or whatever if your life sucks. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] John Deere Diesels
Scott wrote: Who actually makes that tractor/mower? The 332 Jamie was looking at? John Deere, in 1988. It replaced the 330 was built from 1986 to 1988. Engine by Yanmar, Techumseh transaxle, electric clutch for front and rear PTO. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bacon OT
http://www.takepart.com/article/2013/05/21/marijuana-fed-pork-debuts-seattle IF I can cease screwing up the smoking, I will go looking for fresh pork belly. Right now, I am doing ok with the local bellies the chinese supermarket sells. Then I move into hams and maybe charcuterie. I should be able to fabricate a smoking shed at that point. clay On Aug 3, 2013, at 6:49 AM, Peter Frederick wrote: Smoker? Smoking bacon is usually done in a room full of smoke, not in a cooking device, which may be your problem. Smokers these days are low temperature (180F or so) cooking devices and it's going to be tricky to keep the temp below cooking temp with one. My brother tried bacon a couple times when he used to butcher with some buddies, but he quit when the drinking got out of hand. He never brined it long enough - bacon is salt cured meat, it's going to be salty! I think the secret is to soak it in the proper brine solution until it becomes waxy -- that is, enough water has been removed to prevent spoilage. Treating with cool smoke after that is to enhance the flavor and prevent mold on the surface, you don't want to cook it. Like country hams, bacon is raw, not cooked, meat. The salt in the meat is a side effect, not what you want. When you get it figured out, you will have the best bacon ever. Better yet if you can find some local source of pork bellies where the pigs are allowed to run rather than being fed in confinement -- much more meat in that bacon. Good luck! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Roger?
How 'bout 10358 44th Ave. NE, Seattle? Wilton - Original Message - From: clay redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 11:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Roger? That is the man. Address should be around 88th NE clay On Aug 1, 2013, at 11:26 AM, WILTON wrote: Is it Roger L. Ellingson, Seatle? 'Just tried to call his #; no answer. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
