date:20140129

when you walk into a dodge dealer and buy a dart, that's a fiat.  actually,
it is an alfa, which is a fiat, but why quibble?  it's been this way for a
while now.  you didn't know this?

also, are you under the impression that fiats are bad cars?


On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 1:20 AM, Craig  wrote:

> On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 23:16:42 -0700 Craig  wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 01:05:05 -0500 Gary Hurst 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > for the typical kleblister, being 5 years behind the times is progress
> >
> > Well, I heard the news on the radio today.
>
>
> http://www.srnnews.com/fiat-completes-buyout-of-u-s-carmaker-chrysler-2/
>
> MILAN (Reuters) - Fiat has completed its buyout of Chrysler, making the
> U.S. business a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Italian carmaker as it
> gears up to use their combined resources to turn around its loss-making
> operations in Europe.
>
> The company announced on January 1 that it had struck a $4.35 billion
> deal - cheaper than analysts had expected - to gain full control of
> Chrysler, ending more than a year of tense talks that had obstructed
> Chief Executive Sergio Marchionne's efforts to create the world's
> seventh-largest auto maker.
>
> Fiat said on Tuesday that it had completed the acquisition of the
> remaining 41.46 percent stake in Chrysler from a retiree healthcare trust
> affiliated with the United Auto Workers (UAW) union. The trust, known as
> a voluntary employee beneficiary association, or VEBA, received $3.65
> billion in cash for the stake, $1.9 billion of which came from Chrysler
> and $1.75 billion from Fiat.
>
> Chrysler has also committed to giving the UAW trust another $700 million
> in four equal annual installments, the first of which was paid in
> connection with the deal closure, Fiat said.
>
> The Chrysler buyout talks have been closely watched by debt and equity
> investors because Fiat's long-term plan to cut losses in Europe depends
> on its ability to deepen ties with Chrysler.
>
> The U.S. business is now a profit center for Fiat, but the two companies
> are still forced to manage their finances separately. A full merger will
> make it easier - but not automatic - to combine the cash pools of the two
> companies, giving Fiat more funds to expand its product line-up.
>
> Fiat will discuss the merged company's future headquarters and a
> potential listing outside Italy at a board meeting scheduled for January
> 29.
>
> The company is widely expected to move its headquarters outside Italy,
> where Fiat was founded 115 years ago - a sensitive topic among local
> unions and politicians eager to protect jobs in Fiat's home market.
>
> Marchionne said at the Detroit car show last week that a listing of the
> combined entity was on the agenda for this year. While New York is the
> most liquid market, Hong Kong is also an option, the CEO said, pledging
> to stay at the helm of the merged group for at least three years.
>
> The first big test for the merged Fiat-Chrysler will be a three-year
> industrial plan Marchionne is expected to unveil in May, in which he will
> outline planned investments and models.
>
> While analysts have widely welcomed the Chrysler deal, which Marchionne
> funded without needing a rights issue, they have been more skeptical
> about the group's rising debt and 61-year-old Marchionne's ability to cut
> losses in Europe.
>
> Fiat has said its new strategy will focus on revamping its Alfa Romeo
> brand and keeping production of the sporty marque in Italy as it seeks to
> utilize plants operating below capacity, protect jobs and compete in the
> higher-margin premium segment of the market.
>
> Shares in Fiat were up 1.77 percent at 7.46 euros by 1630 GMT,
> outperforming a 0.11 percent rise for Milan's blue-chip index.
>
> (Reporting by Agnieszka Flak; Editing by David Goodman)
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Re: [MBZ] FIAT and Chrysler

On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 23:16:42 -0700 Craig  wrote:

> On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 01:05:05 -0500 Gary Hurst 
> wrote:
> 
> > for the typical kleblister, being 5 years behind the times is progress
> 
> Well, I heard the news on the radio today.

http://www.srnnews.com/fiat-completes-buyout-of-u-s-carmaker-chrysler-2/

MILAN (Reuters) – Fiat has completed its buyout of Chrysler, making the
U.S. business a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Italian carmaker as it
gears up to use their combined resources to turn around its loss-making
operations in Europe.

The company announced on January 1 that it had struck a $4.35 billion
deal – cheaper than analysts had expected – to gain full control of
Chrysler, ending more than a year of tense talks that had obstructed
Chief Executive Sergio Marchionne’s efforts to create the world’s
seventh-largest auto maker.

Fiat said on Tuesday that it had completed the acquisition of the
remaining 41.46 percent stake in Chrysler from a retiree healthcare trust
affiliated with the United Auto Workers (UAW) union. The trust, known as
a voluntary employee beneficiary association, or VEBA, received $3.65
billion in cash for the stake, $1.9 billion of which came from Chrysler
and $1.75 billion from Fiat.

Chrysler has also committed to giving the UAW trust another $700 million
in four equal annual installments, the first of which was paid in
connection with the deal closure, Fiat said.

The Chrysler buyout talks have been closely watched by debt and equity
investors because Fiat’s long-term plan to cut losses in Europe depends
on its ability to deepen ties with Chrysler.

The U.S. business is now a profit center for Fiat, but the two companies
are still forced to manage their finances separately. A full merger will
make it easier – but not automatic – to combine the cash pools of the two
companies, giving Fiat more funds to expand its product line-up.

Fiat will discuss the merged company’s future headquarters and a
potential listing outside Italy at a board meeting scheduled for January
29.

The company is widely expected to move its headquarters outside Italy,
where Fiat was founded 115 years ago – a sensitive topic among local
unions and politicians eager to protect jobs in Fiat’s home market.

Marchionne said at the Detroit car show last week that a listing of the
combined entity was on the agenda for this year. While New York is the
most liquid market, Hong Kong is also an option, the CEO said, pledging
to stay at the helm of the merged group for at least three years.

The first big test for the merged Fiat-Chrysler will be a three-year
industrial plan Marchionne is expected to unveil in May, in which he will
outline planned investments and models.

While analysts have widely welcomed the Chrysler deal, which Marchionne
funded without needing a rights issue, they have been more skeptical
about the group’s rising debt and 61-year-old Marchionne’s ability to cut
losses in Europe.

Fiat has said its new strategy will focus on revamping its Alfa Romeo
brand and keeping production of the sporty marque in Italy as it seeks to
utilize plants operating below capacity, protect jobs and compete in the
higher-margin premium segment of the market.

Shares in Fiat were up 1.77 percent at 7.46 euros by 1630 GMT,
outperforming a 0.11 percent rise for Milan’s blue-chip index.

(Reporting by Agnieszka Flak; Editing by David Goodman)

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Re: [MBZ] FIAT and Chrysler

On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 01:05:05 -0500 Gary Hurst 
wrote:

> for the typical kleblister, being 5 years behind the times is progress

Well, I heard the news on the radio today.


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Re: [MBZ] Fw: W123 300D Paatz.

On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 21:28:57 -0800 (PST) Frederick Moir
 wrote:

> No wheels, I'm told.
> Calipers are spoken for.
> Price not yet known.

How about the hood star?

I'm looking for one!


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Re: [MBZ] FIAT and Chrysler

On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 21:00:21 -0500 Dwight Giles 
wrote:

> Like the US Fix Or Repair Daily.

Or, "Shove it or leave it."


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] FIAT and Chrysler

for the typical kleblister, being 5 years behind the times is progress


On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> This isn't new is it? Didn't Fiat buy Chrysler in like 2008?
>
> Ahh I was close, 2009:
> http://money.cnn.com/2014/01/29/news/companies/fiat-chrysler/
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 16:39:16 -0700
> From: Craig 
> To: mercedes 
> Subject: [MBZ] FIAT and Chrysler
> Message-ID: <20140129163916.f887b07c6f0d2ec15fc86...@pisquared.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> I just heard on the news that FIAT and Chrysler are joining forces.
>
> I wonder if that will be any better than Daimler and Chrysler.
>
>
>
> Craig
>
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: W123 300D Paatz.


Ok.  No big deal.



No wheels, I'm told.
Calipers are spoken for.
Price not yet known.

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.




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To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw:  W123 300D Paatz.




  >Hi, all.

The chap that has the W123 sedan parts has replied.
The steering wheel is included in the list.
Any other paatz needed?

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.

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I might be interested in the other calipers if no one else has dibs.
And if someone would be willing to ship them here.
What is the asking price?

Tar and wheels any good, or has someone called dibs?  Mine are still
ok, but the snow tars on the one 240D are aged.  Actually, all 4 on
that one are aged.


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Re: [MBZ] Fw: W123 300D Paatz.

No wheels, I'm told.
Calipers are spoken for.
Price not yet known.
 
Fred Moir 
Lynn MA 
Diesel preferred.


>
> From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com>
>To: Mercedes Discussion List  
>Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:32 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw:  W123 300D Paatz.
> 
>
>>
>>  >Hi, all.
>>>The chap that has the W123 sedan parts has replied.
>>>The steering wheel is included in the list.
>>>Any other paatz needed?
>>> 
>>>Fred Moir
>>>Lynn MA
>>>Diesel preferred.
>>  >___
>
>I might be interested in the other calipers if no one else has dibs. 
>And if someone would be willing to ship them here.
>What is the asking price?
>
>Tar and wheels any good, or has someone called dibs?  Mine are still 
>ok, but the snow tars on the one 240D are aged.  Actually, all 4 on 
>that one are aged.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT 85 people etc. and election systems


On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 18:11:53 -0600 Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:


 Senate is there for good reason.  otherwise we'd just be the united
 states of kollyphonia (or taxes)


Explaining just a little, one house of our bicameral national legislature
has representation that is proportional to the population of a state.
This favors large states.

The other house has representation that is equal for large and small
states. This helps out the small states, though not necessarily
overcoming the advantage to large states given in the first house.

We do not live in a democracy. We live in a republic. The founders were
very specific and knew very well the tendencies of mankind. They had
planned to have the three branches of government competing against each
other, jealously guarding their prerogatives from encroachment by the
other two, and a free press holding everyone's feet to the fire.

They did not foresee a party system and a syncophant press overriding the
mutual checks and balances.

Craig

Hear! Hear!

Actually they did forsee parties and warned against them.  The 
warning was unheeded pretty much from the start.


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Re: [MBZ] 123s

2014-01-29 Thread dseretakis

I've always wanted a 240GD:)

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 29, 2014, at 9:39 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> We hit a high of 16F today.
> 
> Maybe I should go in a different direction with that car. Jack up the 
> suspension a bit, find some way to fit a limited slip rear end and make it a 
> quasi offroader. I've often said 4wd is overrated. To be really good offroad 
> it would need a 5spd where 1st is quite low and 5th 1:1 but I bet it'd be 
> kinda fun none the less. Wouldn't have to raise it much, in fact if I just 
> cut back the fenders and tubbed the wheel wells I might not have to raise it 
> at all.
> 
> 
> I'd been wondering what to do with it, this idea bears some thinking.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 21:22:47 -0500
> From: Dwight Giles 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123s, Was 85 people
> Message-ID:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> So time to resurrect the 3 pedal 240D.
> On Jan 29, 2014 9:18 PM, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:
> 
>> I've tried to sell Angie on the idea of a 240GD, not sure I'll ever get
>> anywhere on that one.
>> 
>> She prefers 3 pedal, today at lunch when I still thought the Jetta was in
>> real trouble I told her about a W140 300D on Craigslist and she immediately
>> asked if it was 3 pedal. When I told her you basically can't get a 3 pedal
>> MB after 1986 or '87 she was severely disappointed.
>> 
>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: W123 300D Paatz.



 >Hi, all.

The chap that has the W123 sedan parts has replied.
The steering wheel is included in the list.
Any other paatz needed?

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.

 >___


I might be interested in the other calipers if no one else has dibs. 
And if someone would be willing to ship them here.

What is the asking price?

Tar and wheels any good, or has someone called dibs?  Mine are still 
ok, but the snow tars on the one 240D are aged.  Actually, all 4 on 
that one are aged.


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Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and shoot 99% of the non citizens

2014-01-29 Thread Hendrik and Fay

Yeah perhaps we could shoot a few unemployed, they produce nothing and 
are a drain on the rest of society.
I am sure once word gets out that people without jobs get a bullet in 
the head, they'll lining up for miles at the local walmart/KFC/subway/etc


Hendrik
who is not unemployed

On 30/01/14 12:53, Mountain Man wrote:

Gerry wrote:

An officer could shoot an
enlisted man who refused or disobeyed a direct order and there were no
criminal penalties filed against the officer, but there was a hearing to
determine if the shooting was justified.

As inhumane as that sounds... It seems appropriat.  There seems to be
waaay too much fret over life and death these days.  A few bad apples
killed under these circumstances and I bet many more bad apples don't
go bad? - that is the common brainwash we receive.  The touchy-feely
coddle every bad action is losing favor.
mao




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Re: [MBZ] Things are looking up.

On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 18:56:20 -0500 Dwight Giles 
wrote:

> Well curt I hate to see you interrupt the politcal future of the planet
> with your car posts but glad that you conquered 190D gel & jetta coolant
> leaks.  I think you are right. My father was an over the road truck
> driver for awhile and he always said about diesels, son drive it like
> you stole it.

That was Herr Doktor Marshall Booth's advice, too.


> He did that with his rabbit diesels after he gave up Mack diesels. I am
> not surprised about your M1 ATF results. 10 years ago when I put it in
> my 79 240D it became another car esp in the winter. Now both of my auto
> trannies have it.

Our '82 240D/3.0 has it in its manual transmission


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT 85 people etc. and election systems

On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 18:11:53 -0600 Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Senate is there for good reason.  otherwise we'd just be the united 
> states of kollyphonia (or taxes)

Explaining just a little, one house of our bicameral national legislature
has representation that is proportional to the population of a state.
This favors large states.

The other house has representation that is equal for large and small
states. This helps out the small states, though not necessarily
overcoming the advantage to large states given in the first house.

We do not live in a democracy. We live in a republic. The founders were
very specific and knew very well the tendencies of mankind. They had
planned to have the three branches of government competing against each
other, jealously guarding their prerogatives from encroachment by the
other two, and a free press holding everyone's feet to the fire.

They did not foresee a party system and a syncophant press overriding the
mutual checks and balances.

Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 123s, Was 85 people

2014-01-29 Thread Fmiser

> > Curt wrote:
> > Ohhh, imagine, just imagine an S123, OM603 powered with 4wd.

> Mountain wrote:
> 
> You are wandering to dangerous territory.
> W123 is just fine and proven for 5 years of production with OM616.
> The objective remains - KISS, 3-pedal.

What about a OM617 turbo powered S123 with manual transmission,
crank windows, manual heater.  Close to perfect, I'd say.

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Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

Andrew.
Tonight, on my knees, I'll ask for a sign.
 
Fred Moir 
Lynn MA 
Diesel preferred.


>
> From: Andrew Strasfogel 
>To: Mercedes Discussion List  
>Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 10:06 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] (no subject)
> 
>
>LR caliper if it's still god.
>
>
>
>On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Frederick Moir wrote:
>
>> Hi, all.
>> The chap that has the W123 sedan parts has replied.
>> The steering wheel is included in the list.
>> Any other paatz needed?
>>
>> Fred Moir
>> Lynn MA
>> Diesel preferred.
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Re: [MBZ] 123s


We hit a high of 16F today.

Maybe I should go in a different direction with that car. Jack up 
the suspension a bit, find some way to fit a limited slip rear end 
and make it a quasi offroader. I've often said 4wd is overrated. To 
be really good offroad it would need a 5spd where 1st is quite low 
and 5th 1:1 but I bet it'd be kinda fun none the less. Wouldn't have 
to raise it much, in fact if I just cut back the fenders and tubbed 
the wheel wells I might not have to raise it at all.



I'd been wondering what to do with it, this idea bears some thinking.

-Curt


AirLift.com  I had Air lifts in my 200D in 1975.  THat helped the 
rear suspension without ruining the Bilstein shock absorbers effect


I think they make the kits the Pinay boyz use to do all kinds of 
weird stuff too.



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Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

2014-01-29 Thread Andrew Strasfogel

LR caliper if it's still god.


On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Frederick Moir wrote:

> Hi, all.
> The chap that has the W123 sedan parts has replied.
> The steering wheel is included in the list.
> Any other paatz needed?
>
> Fred Moir
> Lynn MA
> Diesel preferred.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Americana music

Curt wrote:
> BTW I watched my magnum opus today...  Its a classic "experimental film" in 
> that you can write all sorts of hidden meaning into basically nothing.
>

My neighbor did film in coledg also.  Speaking to him last week he
mentioned he prefers to write horror films.  He said horror can carry
a lot of social commentary.  Odd, it seems to me.  I don't watch much
film, but horror is not what I would search out.  The newest film I
watched from the library was Safehouse (~2011) with Denzel Washington.
 Enjoyable destruction and plot.  Today I watched The Conversation
(~1974).  Today's news should watch The Conversation to see if we
really want to make a big deal about these things.  Someone has always
been listening.  We know that, so what's the big deal?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Americana music

W its one of those things.

The iPhone can create wonderful videos but the operator has to have some 
talent, they have to know how to compose a shot, light the set, write a script 
etc. So while the tool is good its really the operator. The same thing is 
double (maybe triple) true with audio.
I can't even start to explain how hard good audio is, anytime I've made 
anything with really good audio it was completely by accident.

BTW I watched my magnum opus today, a short video I made in college about 
unintended pregnancy and suicide both of which alluded to without actually 
calling anything out. Its a classic "experimental film" in that you can write 
all sorts of hidden meaning into basically nothing. It got included in an 
honors show at the school but so did 20 other pieces. I found it today as I was 
backing up some stuff. Its terrible, worse the electronic copy of it I have is 
heavily compressed to fit it along with my entire portfolio on 1 cd which was a 
big deal back in '99 when I graduated from college. I hesitate to watch 
anything else I made in that period.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 20:29:15 -0600
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Curt wrote:
> This type of music seems to be on the rise lately, Pokey Lafarge is another 
> great example
>

Great stuff.
Nice music to be gaining popularity, which is nice.  Old tunes,
meaningless lyrics that are fun, etc.
The other thing I was thinking as I watched is the recent thread on
video.  Is this high end video along with high end audio?  Can this
type of capture done using iphone?
Thanks for Pokey.
mao
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Re: [MBZ] 123s

We hit a high of 16F today.

Maybe I should go in a different direction with that car. Jack up the 
suspension a bit, find some way to fit a limited slip rear end and make it a 
quasi offroader. I've often said 4wd is overrated. To be really good offroad it 
would need a 5spd where 1st is quite low and 5th 1:1 but I bet it'd be kinda 
fun none the less. Wouldn't have to raise it much, in fact if I just cut back 
the fenders and tubbed the wheel wells I might not have to raise it at all.

I'd been wondering what to do with it, this idea bears some thinking.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 21:22:47 -0500
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So time to resurrect the 3 pedal 240D.
On Jan 29, 2014 9:18 PM, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:

> I've tried to sell Angie on the idea of a 240GD, not sure I'll ever get
> anywhere on that one.
>
> She prefers 3 pedal, today at lunch when I still thought the Jetta was in
> real trouble I told her about a W140 300D on Craigslist and she immediately
> asked if it was 3 pedal. When I told her you basically can't get a 3 pedal
> MB after 1986 or '87 she was severely disappointed.
>
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the non citizens

Read Tom Clancey's biography of Fred Franks (I'll give it to you if you want) 
where he explains that one of the problems in Vietnam and even into the early 
'80s was the number of young men given the option of prison or the military 
that went into the military and did a rotten job because they didn't want to be 
there...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 20:44:09 -0500
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That was common practice during the 1930s; prison or the army at $20 per 
month.  That was before soldiers had any rights.  An officer could shoot 
an enlisted man who refused or disobeyed a direct order and there were 
no criminal penalties filed against the officer, but there was a hearing 
to determine if the shooting was justified.
Gerry

On 1/27/2014 11:12 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote:
> ...I think giving young criminals a choice of serving in the 
> forces or jail, might be a good thing, as they already have some of 
> their life taken away.
Hendrik who did not serve
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Re: [MBZ] OT 85 people etc. and election systems

I voted for Ralph Nader thats what. Last time I voted for Bob Barr...

Well it beats Daffy Duck.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 20:32:51 -0500
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David & Kristin Gilmore wrote:

>      Negative voting, i.e. being able to subtract a vote from an 
> undesired candidate, certainly has appeal.  It could backfire however if 
> enough people subtracted votes from the better two candidates to allow 
> the win of an oddball third candidate that few wanted.  Voting 
> strategies would change.  Almost certainly there would be more negative 
> advertising.

Hmm. What would have happened if those of us who wouldn't vote for McCain on a 
dare had been able to vote anti-Obama?

Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Americana music

Curt wrote:
> This type of music seems to be on the rise lately, Pokey Lafarge is another 
> great example
>

Great stuff.
Nice music to be gaining popularity, which is nice.  Old tunes,
meaningless lyrics that are fun, etc.
The other thing I was thinking as I watched is the recent thread on
video.  Is this high end video along with high end audio?  Can this
type of capture done using iphone?
Thanks for Pokey.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the non citizens

Gerry wrote:
> An officer could shoot an
> enlisted man who refused or disobeyed a direct order and there were no
> criminal penalties filed against the officer, but there was a hearing to
> determine if the shooting was justified.

As inhumane as that sounds... It seems appropriat.  There seems to be
waaay too much fret over life and death these days.  A few bad apples
killed under these circumstances and I bet many more bad apples don't
go bad? - that is the common brainwash we receive.  The touchy-feely
coddle every bad action is losing favor.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Americana music

This type of music seems to be on the rise lately, Pokey Lafarge is another 
great example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seKAfbWFWCM
I love his traditional look too. We saw him last summer (or was it the summer 
before?) at the Green River Music Festival, they kept the crowd dancing for 
sure.

For a harder sound I like The Old Crow Medicine Show another group we saw at 
Green River.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 18:24:39 -0600
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Someone gave me the name of this group - The Devil Makes Three.  Wiki
calls this music - Americana.  I like their style and music - basic 3
person band.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7yXBFc2oig

The last song - St. James Infirmary - is a nice rendition of an old NO
Armstrong tune.
Enjoy
mao
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Re: [MBZ] 123s, Was 85 people

So time to resurrect the 3 pedal 240D.
On Jan 29, 2014 9:18 PM, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:

> I've tried to sell Angie on the idea of a 240GD, not sure I'll ever get
> anywhere on that one.
>
> She prefers 3 pedal, today at lunch when I still thought the Jetta was in
> real trouble I told her about a W140 300D on Craigslist and she immediately
> asked if it was 3 pedal. When I told her you basically can't get a 3 pedal
> MB after 1986 or '87 she was severely disappointed.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 18:10:44 -0600
> From: Mountain Man 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123s, Was 85 people
> Message-ID:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Curt wrote:
> > Ohhh, imagine, just imagine an S123, OM603 powered with 4wd.
> >
>
> You are wandering to dangerous territory.
> W123 is just fine and proven for 5 years of production with OM616.
> The objective remains - KISS, 3-pedal.
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] 123s, Was 85 people

I've tried to sell Angie on the idea of a 240GD, not sure I'll ever get 
anywhere on that one.

She prefers 3 pedal, today at lunch when I still thought the Jetta was in real 
trouble I told her about a W140 300D on Craigslist and she immediately asked if 
it was 3 pedal. When I told her you basically can't get a 3 pedal MB after 1986 
or '87 she was severely disappointed.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 18:10:44 -0600
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Curt wrote:
> Ohhh, imagine, just imagine an S123, OM603 powered with 4wd.
>

You are wandering to dangerous territory.
W123 is just fine and proven for 5 years of production with OM616.
The objective remains - KISS, 3-pedal.
mao
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Re: [MBZ] FIAT and Chrysler

Fiat is Italian actually, it'll be the Department of having a big dinner and 
taking a nap.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 17:02:51 -0700
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Should work well.. Fiat is French , Chrysler is in trouble.  First
corporate move after the merger will be to create the new VP and Department
of surrender..

I see success written all over that merger.

Grant...
[Tongue firmly in cheek]
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Re: [MBZ] FIAT and Chrysler

Like the US Fix Or Repair Daily.
On Jan 29, 2014 8:58 PM,  wrote:

> Yes Italy. Fix It Again Tony:)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 29, 2014, at 7:21 PM, Mountain Man  wrote:
>
> > Curt wrote:
> >> This isn't new is it? Didn't Fiat buy Chrysler in like 2008?
> >
> > That's what I was going to say.
> > The news from a week ago was that Fiat was going to purchase the
> > remaining shares of the company.
> > Fiat is not from France, it is from Italy, isn't it?
> > mao
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Re: [MBZ] FIAT and Chrysler

2014-01-29 Thread dseretakis

Yes Italy. Fix It Again Tony:)

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 29, 2014, at 7:21 PM, Mountain Man  wrote:

> Curt wrote:
>> This isn't new is it? Didn't Fiat buy Chrysler in like 2008?
> 
> That's what I was going to say.
> The news from a week ago was that Fiat was going to purchase the
> remaining shares of the company.
> Fiat is not from France, it is from Italy, isn't it?
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] 123s, Was 85 people

I have often wished I could put my OM 602 & 124 suspension in my 123. As it
is I have best of both worlds for now. I Enjoy driving  MY 124  OM602  &
looking AT MY 123  coupe driveway queen. ..
On Jan 29, 2014 8:29 PM, "Mitch Haley"  wrote:

> Curt Raymond wrote:
>
>  Having seen how some guys jack up a VW Golf slightly, put on bigger tires
>> and a limited slip diff I'd LOVE to have an AWD S123, slightly lifted,
>> limited slip diff. Put a tow hitch on and I'd never have a pickup truck
>> again.
>>
>
> So, all you want is a 124 engine and 210 4matic in a 123 chassis?
>
> Hmm, I wonder how hard it would be to import a turbo OM606 S210 4matic
> "for parts only" and move everything mechanical or electronic over to a
> S123?
> You'd lose out on some of the mechanical simplicity, but you'd have the
> best running 123 around.
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] FIAT and Chrysler


On 1/29/2014 8:18 PM, Craig wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 18:21:05 -0600 Mountain Man 
wrote:


Curt wrote:

This isn't new is it? Didn't Fiat buy Chrysler in like 2008?

That's what I was going to say.
The news from a week ago was that Fiat was going to purchase the
remaining shares of the company.
Fiat is not from France, it is from Italy, isn't it?

Yes, it is Italian. "Fix it again, Tony!"
Craig

ROFL!  Yugos were Fiats made in Yugoslavia.
Gerry






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Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the non citizens

That was common practice during the 1930s; prison or the army at $20 per 
month.  That was before soldiers had any rights.  An officer could shoot 
an enlisted man who refused or disobeyed a direct order and there were 
no criminal penalties filed against the officer, but there was a hearing 
to determine if the shooting was justified.

Gerry

On 1/27/2014 11:12 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote:
...I think giving young criminals a choice of serving in the 
forces or jail, might be a good thing, as they already have some of 
their life taken away.

Hendrik who did not serve





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Re: [MBZ] OT 85 people etc. and election systems

2014-01-29 Thread Mitch Haley


David & Kristin Gilmore wrote:

 Negative voting, i.e. being able to subtract a vote from an 
undesired candidate, certainly has appeal.  It could backfire however if 
enough people subtracted votes from the better two candidates to allow 
the win of an oddball third candidate that few wanted.  Voting 
strategies would change.  Almost certainly there would be more negative 
advertising.


Hmm. What would have happened if those of us who wouldn't vote for McCain on a 
dare had been able to vote anti-Obama?


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 123s, Was 85 people

2014-01-29 Thread Mitch Haley


Curt Raymond wrote:


Having seen how some guys jack up a VW Golf slightly, put on bigger tires and a 
limited slip diff I'd LOVE to have an AWD S123, slightly lifted, limited slip 
diff. Put a tow hitch on and I'd never have a pickup truck again.


So, all you want is a 124 engine and 210 4matic in a 123 chassis?

Hmm, I wonder how hard it would be to import a turbo OM606 S210 4matic "for 
parts only" and move everything mechanical or electronic over to a S123?
You'd lose out on some of the mechanical simplicity, but you'd have the best 
running 123 around.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] FIAT and Chrysler

On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 18:21:05 -0600 Mountain Man 
wrote:

> Curt wrote:
> > This isn't new is it? Didn't Fiat buy Chrysler in like 2008?
> 
> That's what I was going to say.
> The news from a week ago was that Fiat was going to purchase the
> remaining shares of the company.
> Fiat is not from France, it is from Italy, isn't it?

Yes, it is Italian. "Fix it again, Tony!"


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the holes

2014-01-29 Thread Mitch Haley


Hendrik and Fay wrote:


I think the Jehovahs are like that?


Jaweh's Witnesses don't believe in parts mixing, so no transplants or even 
plasma transfusions.


Another group, I think Christian Scientists, are similar in that regard.

Mitch.

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[MBZ] OT - Americana music

Someone gave me the name of this group - The Devil Makes Three.  Wiki
calls this music - Americana.  I like their style and music - basic 3
person band.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7yXBFc2oig

The last song - St. James Infirmary - is a nice rendition of an old NO
Armstrong tune.
Enjoy
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT 85 people etc. and election systems



 Or leave the Senate duties unchanged and imagine what  a useful 
balancing group it would be if its members were selected by lottery 
from all registered voters in the country.  (This is about the way 
the classic Athenian democracy worked.)No parties, no special 
interests, no complaints about some group being under represented. 
If your name comes up you get six years as a Senator at about 
$175,000 a year plus a few million $ for staff and expenses.


 Think of your  experience on jury duty.   Wouldn't  people rise 
to such an occasion?  No need to go to D.C. if you didn't want to; 
stay home and do it by email. The only problem I can see is that 
current senators and political parties would not want to go there. 
Maybe we will have to wait for Grant's revolution in the streets...


 Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV

 War is a feast for pathogens.


Senate is there for good reason.  otherwise we'd just be the united 
states of kollyphonia (or taxes)


Now the suggestion for a lottery for senate, I like that!  Has great 
possibilities, but why limit it to the senate.  Each house district 
should be elected the same way.


For prez, you could have a lottery of company prezzys.  One of them 
would make a better prez than any of the scuzbags we have had the 
last couple elections.


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Re: [MBZ] FIAT and Chrysler

Curt wrote:
> This isn't new is it? Didn't Fiat buy Chrysler in like 2008?

That's what I was going to say.
The news from a week ago was that Fiat was going to purchase the
remaining shares of the company.
Fiat is not from France, it is from Italy, isn't it?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens

Dieselhead wrote:
> Except I'd argue that both are aware that there are people who don't know
> where the next meal will come from, but only want to use them for their own
> political advantage.

That seems to be the gig.
Imagine you are there - you don't know where the next meal will come
from.  Are you gonna sign up for food stamps?
Not me.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] FIAT and Chrysler

This isn't new is it? Didn't Fiat buy Chrysler in like 2008?

Ahh I was close, 2009: 
http://money.cnn.com/2014/01/29/news/companies/fiat-chrysler/

-Curt

Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 16:39:16 -0700
From: Craig 
To: mercedes 
Subject: [MBZ] FIAT and Chrysler
Message-ID: <20140129163916.f887b07c6f0d2ec15fc86...@pisquared.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

I just heard on the news that FIAT and Chrysler are joining forces.

I wonder if that will be any better than Daimler and Chrysler.



Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 123s, Was 85 people

Curt wrote:
> Ohhh, imagine, just imagine an S123, OM603 powered with 4wd.
>

You are wandering to dangerous territory.
W123 is just fine and proven for 5 years of production with OM616.
The objective remains - KISS, 3-pedal.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] FIAT and Chrysler


I just heard on the news that FIAT and Chrysler are joining forces.

I wonder if that will be any better than Daimler and Chrysler.


Craig


'Bout as well as when fiat bought Allis Chalmers.  We all use Allis 
switchgear and your local municipality and gravel pit use Fiat Allis 
loaders and graders , right?


A sad end to a great company.  Ditto for IH.

At least when DB bought crypsler, the quality improved and they got 
ATE brake parts, etc, and some other similarities to MB.  If the 
shareholders had not revolted, I think by now Dogde would be well 
established as the US equivalent to the everyday cars MB sells around 
the rest of the world (RTW) but MomBUSA won't let us have because 
they are a "luxury" brand in their distorted minds..


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Re: [MBZ] Things are looking up.


I hate to break up the political discussions but I have some car news.


attaboy!

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Re: [MBZ] FIAT and Chrysler

Should work well.. Fiat is French , Chrysler is in trouble.  First
corporate move after the merger will be to create the new VP and Department
of surrender..

I see success written all over that merger.

Grant...
[Tongue firmly in cheek]


On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Craig  wrote:

> I just heard on the news that FIAT and Chrysler are joining forces.
>
> I wonder if that will be any better than Daimler and Chrysler.
>
>
>
> Craig
>
> --
> Present:'95 E320Sebastian  126 kmi
> '94 E420Oskar  127 kmi (awaiting parting out)
> '82 240D/3.0Bluebell   267 kmi (diesel leak fixed, I think,
> now need to tackle leaking
> oil pressure gauge)
> '89 Chevrolet G20 Beauville Van (affectionately dubbed the BRV,
>  Big Red Van)
> Past:   '86 190E/2.3
> '72 220/8
> '64 190Dc   Emma
> '72 220D/8  Herman 186 kmi
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Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens

I don't think Marie had distain for people, remember she didn't say 
"let them eat cake" she in fact said brioche which is a kind of 
sweet bread quite different than cake. 

She wasn't disdainful she was out of touch, she'd never been hungry 
and never had to work. She had no clue there were people who didn't 
have enough to eat. I'm not entirely sure it was her fault as much 
as the advisors that pretty much ran her world...


-Curt


Still pretty much fits the current situation.

Change the She to HE, her to his, and it also fits mr. moochelle too.

Except I'd argue that both are aware that there are people who don't 
know where the next meal will come from, but only want to use them 
for their own political advantage.


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Re: [MBZ] Things are looking up.

Well curt I hate to see you interrupt the politcal future of the planet
with your car posts but glad that you conquered 190D gel & jetta coolant
leaks.  I think you are right. My father was an over the road truck driver
for awhile and he always said about diesels, son drive it like you stole
it. He did that with his rabbit diesels after he gave up Mack diesels. I am
not surprised about your M1 ATF results. 10 years ago when I put it in my
79 240D it became another car esp in the winter. Now both of my auto
trannies have it.
On Jan 29, 2014 6:45 PM, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:

> I hate to break up the political discussions but I have some car news.
>
> Got the 190D back today my Indy said when he got the car it started right
> up after some cranking. I'm starting to think I should have just put the
> Power Service into the tank and left it alone overnight. I think any
> gelling or icing I might have had got fixed by that. It was also quite a
> bit warmer by the time he got it.
> While he had it I had him do transmission fluid and filter, got him to put
> in Mobil 1 which he had to go to the store special for. He'd called his
> normal supplier and they wanted to sell him Billstein or something for
> $15/qt. I said Mobil 1 at $9/qt was just fine thank you.
> It is fine too, after a few stiff 1/2 shifts and a couple bad flares on
> 3/4 it settled right now and shifts smooth as silk now. The first start
> when I picked it up was a little rough too but I ran it up to Keene (about
> a 45 minute ride from my Indy) and it ran better and better through the
> trip. This is with just under a quart of Power Service (white bottle) in
> 1/2 tank of diesel. While in Keene I picked up a bottle of Power Service
> grey bottle (Diesel Kleen) which is one of my favorites, it smells
> remarkably like Diesel Purge. I put about 8oz of that in for the return.
>
> Our working theory is that the engine is carboned up from not being on the
> highway for a few months. Angie uses the car to go to work which is 10
> miles of fast secondary roads. The carbon was maybe making one or two
> injectors not fire real well which combined with bad cold made it not start
> good. We'll see tomorrow, if it starts good...
>
> This morning I got that call that nobody wants, the temp light came on as
> Angie was taking the Jetta to work. Fortunately she hadn't gone very far so
> I ran over with the pickup and took a look. The light was flashing but the
> dinger wasn't dinging (it did when I blew the oil line the other day) and
> the temp needle was at the bottom peg. I swapped vehicles and slowly took
> the Jetta home. A quick google showed that the flashing light was low
> coolant, I looked in the bottle and, yup its low. So today's trip to Keene
> was to the VW stealer for a bottle of the proper VW G013 coolant, its pink
> and supposedly doesn't mix with anything so its good that I have some.
> I mixed it with distilled water which is VW's approved method and added
> about a quart to bring the bottle back to full. I'd been kind of worrying
> about it all day, where did the coolant go? Then I remembered that the VW
> guru, when he replaced the busted oil line also replaced the o-rings to the
> oil cooler. The oil cooler on this car is oil to water and I bet when he
> did that a quart of coolant came out... I ran the car and got it good and
> warm and didn't see any leaks or white smoke so I'll keep an eye on it for
> now.
>
> -Curt
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[MBZ] OT 85 people etc. and election systems

2014-01-29 Thread David & Kristin Gilmore

 I think it was Curt who favored a NOTA option on the ballot. I 
read the state of Nevada offers a None of the Above choice in its 
elections, as does the nation of India.  It doesn't seem to have 
improved things much in those places.


 Negative voting, i.e. being able to subtract a vote from an 
undesired candidate, certainly has appeal.  It could backfire however if 
enough people subtracted votes from the better two candidates to allow 
the win of an oddball third candidate that few wanted.  Voting 
strategies would change.  Almost certainly there would be more negative 
advertising.


 My favorite fantasy reform involves the U. S. Senate.  Why two 
senators from each state, large and small?  What is the present logic in 
having California and Texas be on a par with West Virginia and South 
Dakota?  And why is the Senate needed anyway in today's system?  They 
just add another stop in the legislative process.  OK, so they do some 
advice and consent and bless treaties.  Nothing the House couldn't do, 
what with their 400+ members standing around.


 Or leave the Senate duties unchanged and imagine what  a useful 
balancing group it would be if its members were selected by lottery from 
all registered voters in the country.  (This is about the way the 
classic Athenian democracy worked.)No parties, no special interests, 
no complaints about some group being under represented. If your name 
comes up you get six years as a Senator at about $175,000 a year plus a 
few million $ for staff and expenses.


 Think of your  experience on jury duty.   Wouldn't  people rise to 
such an occasion?  No need to go to D.C. if you didn't want to; stay 
home and do it by email. The only problem I can see is that current 
senators and political parties would not want to go there. Maybe we will 
have to wait for Grant's revolution in the streets...


 Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV

 War is a feast for pathogens.



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[MBZ] Things are looking up.

I hate to break up the political discussions but I have some car news.

Got the 190D back today my Indy said when he got the car it started right up 
after some cranking. I'm starting to think I should have just put the Power 
Service into the tank and left it alone overnight. I think any gelling or icing 
I might have had got fixed by that. It was also quite a bit warmer by the time 
he got it.
While he had it I had him do transmission fluid and filter, got him to put in 
Mobil 1 which he had to go to the store special for. He'd called his normal 
supplier and they wanted to sell him Billstein or something for $15/qt. I said 
Mobil 1 at $9/qt was just fine thank you.
It is fine too, after a few stiff 1/2 shifts and a couple bad flares on 3/4 it 
settled right now and shifts smooth as silk now. The first start when I picked 
it up was a little rough too but I ran it up to Keene (about a 45 minute ride 
from my Indy) and it ran better and better through the trip. This is with just 
under a quart of Power Service (white bottle) in 1/2 tank of diesel. While in 
Keene I picked up a bottle of Power Service grey bottle (Diesel Kleen) which is 
one of my favorites, it smells remarkably like Diesel Purge. I put about 8oz of 
that in for the return.

Our working theory is that the engine is carboned up from not being on the 
highway for a few months. Angie uses the car to go to work which is 10 miles of 
fast secondary roads. The carbon was maybe making one or two injectors not fire 
real well which combined with bad cold made it not start good. We'll see 
tomorrow, if it starts good...

This morning I got that call that nobody wants, the temp light came on as Angie 
was taking the Jetta to work. Fortunately she hadn't gone very far so I ran 
over with the pickup and took a look. The light was flashing but the dinger 
wasn't dinging (it did when I blew the oil line the other day) and the temp 
needle was at the bottom peg. I swapped vehicles and slowly took the Jetta 
home. A quick google showed that the flashing light was low coolant, I looked 
in the bottle and, yup its low. So today's trip to Keene was to the VW stealer 
for a bottle of the proper VW G013 coolant, its pink and supposedly doesn't mix 
with anything so its good that I have some.
I mixed it with distilled water which is VW's approved method and added about a 
quart to bring the bottle back to full. I'd been kind of worrying about it all 
day, where did the coolant go? Then I remembered that the VW guru, when he 
replaced the busted oil line also replaced the o-rings to the oil cooler. The 
oil cooler on this car is oil to water and I bet when he did that a quart of 
coolant came out... I ran the car and got it good and warm and didn't see any 
leaks or white smoke so I'll keep an eye on it for now.

-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] FIAT and Chrysler

IMHO Will be much worse. Mediocrity + low quality  does not equal quality.
At least Daimler Chrysler started out with one quality partner. Rant off.
On Jan 29, 2014 6:39 PM, "Craig"  wrote:

> I just heard on the news that FIAT and Chrysler are joining forces.
>
> I wonder if that will be any better than Daimler and Chrysler.
>
>
>
> Craig
>
> --
> Present:'95 E320Sebastian  126 kmi
> '94 E420Oskar  127 kmi (awaiting parting out)
> '82 240D/3.0Bluebell   267 kmi (diesel leak fixed, I think,
> now need to tackle leaking
> oil pressure gauge)
> '89 Chevrolet G20 Beauville Van (affectionately dubbed the BRV,
>  Big Red Van)
> Past:   '86 190E/2.3
> '72 220/8
> '64 190Dc   Emma
> '72 220D/8  Herman 186 kmi
>
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[MBZ] FIAT and Chrysler

I just heard on the news that FIAT and Chrysler are joining forces.

I wonder if that will be any better than Daimler and Chrysler.



Craig

--
Present:'95 E320Sebastian  126 kmi
'94 E420Oskar  127 kmi (awaiting parting out)
'82 240D/3.0Bluebell   267 kmi (diesel leak fixed, I think,
now need to tackle leaking
oil pressure gauge)
'89 Chevrolet G20 Beauville Van (affectionately dubbed the BRV,
 Big Red Van)
Past:   '86 190E/2.3
'72 220/8
'64 190Dc   Emma
'72 220D/8  Herman 186 kmi

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Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens

2014-01-29 Thread Rich Thomas

"cake" was the burnt crumbs that stick to the pan after baking bread, 
usually tossed out or to the pigs, or serfs or peasants or whatever the 
freenchies called them.


--R


On 1/29/14 6:24 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

I don't think Marie had distain for people, remember she didn't say "let them eat 
cake" she in fact said brioche which is a kind of sweet bread quite different than 
cake.

She wasn't disdainful she was out of touch, she'd never been hungry and never 
had to work. She had no clue there were people who didn't have enough to eat. 
I'm not entirely sure it was her fault as much as the advisors that pretty much 
ran her world...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 10:19:12 -0600
From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com>
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the
 old citizens
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"


Then there was that womanwhassername?  moochie antoinette?  How
did she fare?
She had a similar disdain for the people as what moochel antoinette has.
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Re: [MBZ] Icepocalyspe

Eh, we get about the same here, I suspect NY and NJ get it worse. Its a matter 
of having sanding equipment that gets used more often than one day a year. The 
stuff sits outside and needs maintenance and with declining revenue I suspect a 
lot of states in the southland that have sneaked through several ice-less 
winters have just quietly gotten rid of that stuff or shoved it to the side of 
the lot and let it rot.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 11:23:41 -0500
From: Gary Hurst 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Icepocalyspe
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it is curious to explore this.  for 6 years, i lived by lake ontario.  it
started snowing at the end of october and ended in april.  sometimes it
would snow a few feet in one snowfall. , nothing ever got shut down on
account of it

it may just be about preparedness but someone has suggested that the
quality of snow is different in the southland, as it's more ice forming
type the fluffy white powdery stuff.

On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> We have about 1/2" of snow and some frozen stuff under that.  Region
> completely paralyzed.  Bridges closed, our islands are isolated! Send FEMA!
>
> --R
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Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens

I don't think Marie had distain for people, remember she didn't say "let them 
eat cake" she in fact said brioche which is a kind of sweet bread quite 
different than cake. 

She wasn't disdainful she was out of touch, she'd never been hungry and never 
had to work. She had no clue there were people who didn't have enough to eat. 
I'm not entirely sure it was her fault as much as the advisors that pretty much 
ran her world...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 10:19:12 -0600
From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com>
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the
    old citizens
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"


Then there was that womanwhassername?  moochie antoinette?  How 
did she fare?
She had a similar disdain for the people as what moochel antoinette has.
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Re: [MBZ] 123s, Was 85 people

Ohhh, imagine, just imagine an S123, OM603 powered with 4wd. Imagine the snow 
you could conquer. I defer to the S123 over the S124 for weight and clearance, 
the S124 would of course handle better although with an OM603 any civility 
problems I have with OM61x engines are gone. Yes the 617 is a good engine but 
the 60x are better.

Having seen how some guys jack up a VW Golf slightly, put on bigger tires and a 
limited slip diff I'd LOVE to have an AWD S123, slightly lifted, limited slip 
diff. Put a tow hitch on and I'd never have a pickup truck again.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 08:14:41 -0800
From: Jim Cathey 
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> I'd like to order an OM603 powered 300TD.

I'd like to order _two_ S124 300TD, _with_ 4wd please.  That
car I'd even consider buying new, if it wasn't crapped up
with keyless entry, bootoof, touch screens, etc.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Icepocalyspe

I watched some of the footage of Atlanta today at lunch, crazy go nuts...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 10:58:25 -0500
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We have about 1/2" of snow and some frozen stuff under that.  Region 
completely paralyzed.  Bridges closed, our islands are isolated! Send FEMA!

--R
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Re: [MBZ] New 123s, Was 85 people

2014-01-29 Thread Hendrik and Fay

I vaguely seem to recall that a while back some entrepreneur was looking 
into building 123's, primarily for the poorer parts of the world but I 
think it came to nothing.
Realistically though, it's an old heavy metal design and to built it to 
the quality of the original you would have to source top quality parts, 
which would make it relatively pricey.

You would not be able to call it a Mercedes or put Merc logos on it.
Also there is still a lot of them out there for not much money.
As a side note, the north Koreans did copy the 201 and China built a few 
123 copies, neither of which would come anywhere near the quality of the 
original.


Hendrik
who is a ex 123 pilot

On 29/01/14 11:33, Scott Ritchey wrote:

I still have a 126 SD but I think the 123 TD was my favorite car.  Great
style, a good size, very versatile, AND very easy to maintain.  Mine had the
ACC I, which wasn't great, but most of it was bullet-proof or easy to
diagnose and fix.  Unfortunately, nine (79 model) was prone to rust.  A
pitty.  I wonder if 123s could be built and sold at a good price now?



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[MBZ] Fw: W123 300D Paatz.



 
Fred Moir 
Lynn MA 
Diesel preferred.

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> 
>
>Hi, all.
>The chap that has the W123 sedan parts has replied.
>The steering wheel is included in the list.
>Any other paatz needed?
> 
>Fred Moir 
>Lynn MA 
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Hi, all.
The chap that has the W123 sedan parts has replied.
The steering wheel is included in the list.
Any other paatz needed?
 
Fred Moir 
Lynn MA 
Diesel preferred.
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Re: [MBZ] 123s, Was 85 people

Mao,

Thank you SOooo much.. the check is in the mail, right?

Man,, I had no idea promotion was so easy... poverty to plutocratic in one
easy edit..
you are missing out on the chance of a lifetime, should be a speach writer
for current administration..

Thanks again, your usual percentage?

Grant... ;)))


On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Mountain Man wrote:

> Grant wrote:
> > Grand Idea.. I like it..  But then.. I'm one of the "chosen 85" ...
> >
>
> Well...
> I guess we knew you were quite well off, but...
> You are one of the "chosen 85"?
> Do you hobnob with WB?
> WOW!!
> I feel like such a peon.
>
> ...take note... I edited the quote of what you wrote, i.e. we don't
> want another Andrew Mr. Confuser thread...
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] Icepocalyspe


President has to fly over it first and then call Brownie.
Gerry

On 1/29/2014 10:58 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
We have about 1/2" of snow and some frozen stuff under that.  Region 
completely paralyzed.  Bridges closed, our islands are isolated! Send 
FEMA!


--R



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Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens

There seems to be a population size at which the "law of diminishing
returns" slowly reduces the efficiency and viability of a population as
the population exceeds a certain size.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diminishing_returns

Populations that exceed that size due to uncontrolled immigration and/or
reproduction find themselves becoming less manageable, less productive,
less competitive; and the qualilty of life for the population as a whole
goes down.

Gerry

On 1/29/2014 11:03 AM, G Mann wrote:

With all respect for your opinion, I still believe we need to "vote them
off the island" to take a reality show phrase.

We have a potential candidate pool of some 312,000,000 citizens to choose
from, why mess around. Part of the problem presently is that we the people
have gone soft and allowed the people we voted in to represent our interest
to operate without being held responsible.

Being barred for life from public office sends a strong message to others
who follow to act responsibly and take the oath of office to heart. Setting
such a hard limit, I believe, would re-empower the voting citizen. I
believe that is a necessary step in the non lethal route to government
reform.

Or.. we could just wait for the revolt that is likely coming and watch them
be dragged into the streets by angry mobs.. History is full of that... what
was the Italian guys name again that was hung, upside down, shot 7 times..
etc etc.. ummm Mussolini, was it? just to name one.. and how was it that
Kadifi died? Once the tide of public anger rises to the break point,,
history repeats it's self..

I'd rather vote and have it really mean something.

Grant...
[Basically peaceful, in a "get off my lawn" sorta way]

On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 8:33 AM, Tim Crone wrote:

On Jan 28, 2014 11:03 PM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

Last 10 elections I've voted in I wished most strongly for a choice at

the

ballot that said "NONE OF THE ABOVE" .. if "none of the above" got the

most

votes, they could never run for or hold public office again in their
lifetimes..

In fairness, a negative vote for a particular candidate for a particular
office at a particular time doesn't necessarily mean that candidate
wouldn't be good for some other office, or at some other time, or with more
life experience. I like the NOTA option but I don't think it's reasonable
to permanently ban someone who might be a good DA just because no one
believed they should be on the Soil and Water Conservation board.

Many times I write in Daffy Duck or similar, who would be better

candidates than what the democans and republicrats offer. Most of the

I wonder how your votes counted in the last election? Too bad we'll never
know:

http://io9.com/5114481/a-vote-for-the-flying-spaghetti-monster-is-a-vote-for-al-franken-say-minnesota-authorities

Personally I am partial to "Redemopublicraticans".

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Icepocalyspe

WILTON wrote:
> Preparedness is the key, of course, on the part of government entities and
> populace.

Heavy emphasis on "populace" please.
While populace doesn't have any B-52 to prepare to use, I suppose we
make a certain allowance for government entity to use B-52.  However,
we haven't been allowed to try that type of option, so... it is a
theoretical consideration.  Do not be naysayer - find a way for
populace B-52 to happen, i.e. where there is a will, there is a way.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens

Grant wrote:
> Part of the problem presently is that we the people
> have gone soft and allowed the people we voted in to represent our interest
> to operate without being held responsible.

Partially true.
Don't forget to factor in the realty of the dumbing down of 312M
people, of which, probably 100M are able to be balloted, i.e. a
realistic number of 312M should not ever be considered ballot-able,
myself included...

Add to your proposal that there is zero $$ allowed in the election
processes (as long as we are dreaming).  While I cannot entirely
buy-in to the money is speech argument against recent SC decision, $$
really do buy influence and mind control.  The process should be by
the people for the people and based on man to man communication of
ideas.  Tough to do, but I it can be done.  Other limits would be
needed and proper self-initiated vetting needs to be taught, i.e.
because I read the xerox flyer, because I read it on the interwebs,
because I heard it on tv/radio - these don't count as vetting.
Vetting by definition begins man to man locally.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] NE = Mad New England

no real future as a sovereign nation.

the neoliberals have created a bizarre untenable economy based around
prisons, consumerism, the gambling habits of the financial elite and
perpetual war.  there is really nothing productive going on to create
wealth so everything is paid for by printing more money and threatening to
kill anyone who dares to question whether this money is worth anything
(although opposing zionism gets you killed just as fast if orders come from
tel aviv).

china will eventually have to walk away from us as a lost cause, just as
you'd have to walk away from any incorrigible substance abuser living in a
fantasy world.  all you fox news ideology about obama won't save you when
you chant it while lying on the ground in your own waste jonesing for a
fix.  so what happens then?  i don't really know but i'm guessing it won't
be good for most of us

On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Mountain Man wrote:

> Gary wrote:
> > china was and is the big picture
>
> That is a nice rational picture of USA/China maneuvers - thanks.
> Is there any means by which USA gains on this picture?
> It seems USA has in mind war, and more war, and more war all the time,
> and more war.  Can't we just get along?
> Is USA destined to be the Ottoman of 21st century?  Is there any other
> picture to be painted?  Is it too late?  Has it always been too late?
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] Icepocalyspe


andrew sez:   Here in D.C. we are fortunate in having OPM shut
down the government to keep half the cars off the road when conditions
warrant, or when predictions warrant (not always the same).


Building trades and food service are about the only things in DC that 
don't run on OPM every day.  Even when the goobermnt "shuts down" it 
still uses vast quantities of OPM.












OPM= other people's money in the common parlance.  If the case of DC, 
OPM is more addictive than OPiuM or even nicotene.


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Re: [MBZ] 123s, Was 85 people

Grant wrote:
> Grand Idea.. I like it..  But then.. I'm one of the "chosen 85" ...
>

Well...
I guess we knew you were quite well off, but...
You are one of the "chosen 85"?
Do you hobnob with WB?
WOW!!
I feel like such a peon.

...take note... I edited the quote of what you wrote, i.e. we don't
want another Andrew Mr. Confuser thread...
mao

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Re: [MBZ] NE = Mad New England

Gary wrote:
> china was and is the big picture

That is a nice rational picture of USA/China maneuvers - thanks.
Is there any means by which USA gains on this picture?
It seems USA has in mind war, and more war, and more war all the time,
and more war.  Can't we just get along?
Is USA destined to be the Ottoman of 21st century?  Is there any other
picture to be painted?  Is it too late?  Has it always been too late?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Icepocalyspe

2014-01-29 Thread WILTON

Preparedness is the key, of course, on the part of government entities and 
populace.  Attitude is a large part of it, too - if you know you're ready to 
handle it, you don't mind proceeding as usual.  If ya know you're gonna have 
2 to 3 blizzards a week, a la MI UP, regardless of anything you can do about 
it, you get on with life.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Gary Hurst" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Icepocalyspe



it is curious to explore this.  for 6 years, i lived by lake ontario.  it
started snowing at the end of october and ended in april.  sometimes it
would snow a few feet in one snowfall. , nothing ever got shut down on
account of it

it may just be about preparedness but someone has suggested that the
quality of snow is different in the southland, as it's more ice forming
type the fluffy white powdery stuff.


On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:


We have about 1/2" of snow and some frozen stuff under that.  Region
completely paralyzed.  Bridges closed, our islands are isolated! Send 
FEMA!


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Re: [MBZ] Icepocalyspe

2014-01-29 Thread Andrew Strasfogel

In the case of the current southern storm, the forecasters apparently
missed the boat.  There was more snow in ATL than predicted, and it hit at
a particularly bad time.  Here in D.C. we are fortunate in having OPM shut
down the government to keep half the cars off the road when conditions
warrant, or when predictions warrant (not always the same).

On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 10:11 AM, WILTON  wrote:

> Preparedness is the key, of course, on the part of government entities and
> populace.  Attitude is a large part of it, too - if you know you're ready
> to handle it, you don't mind proceeding as usual.  If ya know you're gonna
> have 2 to 3 blizzards a week, a la MI UP, regardless of anything you can do
> about it, you get on with life.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Icepocalyspe
>
>
> it is curious to explore this.  for 6 years, i lived by lake ontario.  it
>> started snowing at the end of october and ended in april.  sometimes it
>> would snow a few feet in one snowfall. , nothing ever got shut down on
>> account of it
>>
>> it may just be about preparedness but someone has suggested that the
>> quality of snow is different in the southland, as it's more ice forming
>> type the fluffy white powdery stuff.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Rich Thomas <
>> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
>>
>> We have about 1/2" of snow and some frozen stuff under that.  Region
>>> completely paralyzed.  Bridges closed, our islands are isolated! Send
>>> FEMA!
>>>
>>> --R
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Icepocalyspe

2014-01-29 Thread Rich Thomas

Problem here is that there is no equipment to deal with the roads and 
bridges, so it is pretty much wait it out.  We had about a 1/2" of snow 
4 years ago but it melted quickly, so no problems.  Plus no one knows 
how to drive on it.  Just as well they all stay at home.


--R


On 1/29/14 11:23 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:

it is curious to explore this.  for 6 years, i lived by lake ontario.  it
started snowing at the end of october and ended in april.  sometimes it
would snow a few feet in one snowfall. , nothing ever got shut down on
account of it

it may just be about preparedness but someone has suggested that the
quality of snow is different in the southland, as it's more ice forming
type the fluffy white powdery stuff.


On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:


We have about 1/2" of snow and some frozen stuff under that.  Region
completely paralyzed.  Bridges closed, our islands are isolated! Send FEMA!

--R



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Re: [MBZ] Icepocalyspe

2014-01-29 Thread Randy Bennell

Times have changed. The people demand that they be protected from 
themselves.
When I was a younger fellow than I am now, I do not remember roads being 
closed or school buses not running.
The roads were there but most people were either smart enough not to go 
out on them when it was truly bad or they went prepared with stuff to 
survive if they had to.
I lived in a small town on Lake of the Woods (Sioux Narrows) about 50 
miles from the nearest bigger town(Kenora)  and I can only recall the 
road being closed one time back then. In March of 1966 there was a 
blizzard that buried us under a couple of feet of snow and I believe the 
highway was closed for a day or more and then only one lane was open for 
a day  until they managed to plough it out.
When I went to highschool, I rode a school bus into Kenora every day and 
the bus went every day no matter what the weather.
These days, they close the highway at the drop of a hat and the school 
buses are cancelled if it gets cold out.


Randy

On 29/01/2014 10:23 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:

it is curious to explore this.  for 6 years, i lived by lake ontario.  it
started snowing at the end of october and ended in april.  sometimes it
would snow a few feet in one snowfall. , nothing ever got shut down on
account of it

it may just be about preparedness but someone has suggested that the
quality of snow is different in the southland, as it's more ice forming
type the fluffy white powdery stuff.


On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:


We have about 1/2" of snow and some frozen stuff under that.  Region
completely paralyzed.  Bridges closed, our islands are isolated! Send FEMA!

--R




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Re: [MBZ] Icepocalyspe

2014-01-29 Thread WILTON


'Bout 3 inches here, Goldsboro, NC.  Woe is me!

Wilt

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Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 10:58 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Icepocalyspe


We have about 1/2" of snow and some frozen stuff under that.  Region 
completely paralyzed.  Bridges closed, our islands are isolated! Send 
FEMA!


--R



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Re: [MBZ] MAO NE = Mad and opinionated New England

2014-01-29 Thread Michael Canfield

And a well placed tug at that.  I think that may deserve an Attaboy!

Mike
On Jan 28, 2014 11:13 PM, "G Mann"  wrote:

> A Hendrik.. I just could not resist the chance to pull your chain a
> bit.
>
> I owe you at least one adult beverage of your choice. [kitchen pass is up
> to your missus, of course].
>
> Grant...
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Hendrik and Fay 
> wrote:
>
> > Lets not go there again.
> >
> > Hendrik
> > who sort of knows when to move on
> >
> > On 29/01/14 13:45, G Mann wrote:
> >
> >> Hendrik finds Mao hat.. it has free shipping... yes.. I see a connection
> >> there..
> >>
> >> Having a good chuckle over that ... way to go Hendrik.. :)))
> >>
> >> Grant...
> >> who is not the world king of free shipping like Hendrik..
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Icepocalyspe

it is curious to explore this.  for 6 years, i lived by lake ontario.  it
started snowing at the end of october and ended in april.  sometimes it
would snow a few feet in one snowfall. , nothing ever got shut down on
account of it

it may just be about preparedness but someone has suggested that the
quality of snow is different in the southland, as it's more ice forming
type the fluffy white powdery stuff.

On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> We have about 1/2" of snow and some frozen stuff under that.  Region
> completely paralyzed.  Bridges closed, our islands are isolated! Send FEMA!
>
> --R
>
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Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens


With all respect for your opinion, I still believe we need to "vote them
off the island" to take a reality show phrase.

We have a potential candidate pool of some 312,000,000 citizens to choose
from, why mess around. Part of the problem presently is that we the people
have gone soft and allowed the people we voted in to represent our interest
to operate without being held responsible.

Being barred for life from public office sends a strong message to others
who follow to act responsibly and take the oath of office to heart. Setting
such a hard limit, I believe, would re-empower the voting citizen. I
believe that is a necessary step in the non lethal route to government
reform.

Or.. we could just wait for the revolt that is likely coming and watch them
be dragged into the streets by angry mobs.. History is full of that... what
was the Italian guys name again that was hung, upside down, shot 7 times..
etc etc.. ummm Mussolini, was it? just to name one.. and how was it that
Kadifi died?  Once the tide of public anger rises to the break point,,
history repeats it's self..

I'd rather vote and have it really mean something.

Grant...
[Basically peaceful, in a "get off my lawn" sorta way]


Then there was that womanwhassername?  moochie antoinette?   How 
did she fare?

She had a similar disdain for the people as what moochel antoinette has.

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We have about 1/2" of snow and some frozen stuff under that.  Region 
completely paralyzed.  Bridges closed, our islands are isolated! 
Send FEMA!


--R



Same in the Gulf coast region from TX to Alabama.
http://www.wlox.com/story/24565346/popps-ferry-bridge-stuck-open-highway-605-drawbridge-closed

Pretty much everything shut down.
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Re: [MBZ] 123s, Was 85 people

2014-01-29 Thread Jim Cathey


I'd like to order an OM603 powered 300TD.


I'd like to order _two_ S124 300TD, _with_ 4wd please.  That
car I'd even consider buying new, if it wasn't crapped up
with keyless entry, bootoof, touch screens, etc.

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A resounding YES , for myself.  If there were a new production 123, built
to original standards and supported for the next 30 years by parts.. I
would buy it in a New York Minute..

Imagine being able to buy a car that you know is completely proven to last
30+ years, give good service for the investment, and be a smooth
comfortable ride that was well built with styling that always displayed a
nicely understated quality and standard.

A new car today is an investment crap shoot.. will it last, does it have
design flaws.. can it actually be fixed.. etc etc.. all unknowns..

Grand Idea.. I like it..  But then.. I'm not one of the "chosen 85" ...

Grant...


Kind of the metropolitan motors for today.  India or brazil would be 
obvious choices for where to make them.  Both have histories of 
building under license of MB, products that MB considered obsolete.


I'd like to order an OM603 powered 300TD.  They could/should be sold 
through MB because of MB's tremendous parts support.   (provided the 
MB green visors that dictate parts for models over 25 years old have 
prices through the roof.)


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Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens

With all respect for your opinion, I still believe we need to "vote them
off the island" to take a reality show phrase.

We have a potential candidate pool of some 312,000,000 citizens to choose
from, why mess around. Part of the problem presently is that we the people
have gone soft and allowed the people we voted in to represent our interest
to operate without being held responsible.

Being barred for life from public office sends a strong message to others
who follow to act responsibly and take the oath of office to heart. Setting
such a hard limit, I believe, would re-empower the voting citizen. I
believe that is a necessary step in the non lethal route to government
reform.

Or.. we could just wait for the revolt that is likely coming and watch them
be dragged into the streets by angry mobs.. History is full of that... what
was the Italian guys name again that was hung, upside down, shot 7 times..
etc etc.. ummm Mussolini, was it? just to name one.. and how was it that
Kadifi died?  Once the tide of public anger rises to the break point,,
history repeats it's self..

I'd rather vote and have it really mean something.

Grant...
[Basically peaceful, in a "get off my lawn" sorta way]

On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 8:33 AM, Tim Crone  wrote:

> On Jan 28, 2014 11:03 PM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Last 10 elections I've voted in I wished most strongly for a choice at
> the
> >> ballot that said "NONE OF THE ABOVE" .. if "none of the above" got the
> most
> >> votes, they could never run for or hold public office again in their
> >> lifetimes..
>
> In fairness, a negative vote for a particular candidate for a particular
> office at a particular time doesn't necessarily mean that candidate
> wouldn't be good for some other office, or at some other time, or with more
> life experience.  I like the NOTA option but I don't think it's reasonable
> to permanently ban someone who might be a good DA just because no one
> believed they should be on the Soil and Water Conservation board.
>
> > Many times I write in Daffy Duck or similar, who would be better
> candidates than what the democans and republicrats offer.  Most of the
>
> I wonder how your votes counted in the last election?  Too bad we'll never
> know:
>
>
> http://io9.com/5114481/a-vote-for-the-flying-spaghetti-monster-is-a-vote-for-al-franken-say-minnesota-authorities
>
> Personally I am partial to "Redemopublicraticans".
>
> Best,
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