Re: [MBZ] hurry before it's gone!

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

 >From the limited description and photos it looks pretty good. 
I've never seen one of those engines seized, so I'm wondering what 
the deal is there, or if that's really the case.


Dan


It'd be a nice car with an OM603 in there.  Plenty of room for that engine.

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Re: [MBZ] hurry before it's gone!

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

On Sat, 03 Jan 2015 13:10:36 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:


 From the limited description and photos it looks pretty good.  I've
 never seen one of those engines seized, so I'm wondering what the deal
 is there, or if that's really the case.



   "Motor appears to be siezed. I'm sure I can make it run."

If the motor really is siezed, he won't be able to make it run without a
LOT of work!

Craig


I had a rusted up M180 that would not turn with a big wrench on the 
crank.  Took out the plugs and sprayed a half can of the magic mopar 
rust eater into each cyl.  Next morning it spun like a top.  So free 
it was scary.


If you  do that, you have to be careful to get all the mopar stuff 
out the next day and lube the cylinders good.  I like 90W Hypoid for 
cyl lube/storage.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Bourbon and New Year

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

I'm rather fond of Wild Turkey.  I've seen three different
grades, over the years.  Not surprisingly, the most expensive
was the best.  (Rare Breed?)  I have not done any kind of
exhaustive search.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Amen.
On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" 
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> The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not make
> long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration
> or variations in prices.
> Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and that
> it is not the same as every other engine on the street.
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[OK Don via Mercedes]

The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not make
long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration
or variations in prices.
Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and that
it is not the same as every other engine on the street.
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

That's what i hope to find in a couple years. Meanwhile My 124 2.5t runs
like new & gets 29mpg.
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> The car to get is the 05-06 cdi straight 6, better mileage more reliable
> than the v6 blue tec
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jan 3, 2015, at 6:28 PM, Tom Savage via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Jan 3, 2015 5:16 PM, "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Yep, now is the time to buy a used diesel or high mpg gasser.
> >
> > I sure thought I was clever buying the E320 Bluetec last summer when gas
> > was still expensive and diesel was close to parity with premium. I like
> the
> > car but with a 50 cent price differential and a disappointing 30.3 mpg it
> > will be a while before I get to feel clever again.
> >
> > On my easy highway commute I averaged 20.6 in now-Dan's S420. Maybe I
> > should put more air in the tires.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[ernest breakfield via Mercedes]

yeah, that worked for me on the Fuel Sender unit (eventually), but "i 
hope Andrew has it in his garage!" isn't a long-term strategy for me for 
a vehicle i need in regular use.;-)



cheers!
e


On 03/Jan/15 12:50, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Hey, all you W123 people whining about parts that are NLA.  Please SHARE
the specifics inasmuch as I have a ton of spare parts cluttering up my
garage.

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


That was always the big claim to fame with mb was you could get parts for
any car even back to the 40s and 50s. Not anymore.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 3, 2015, at 2:09 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes <

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agreed; much as i love our W123, i'm getting tired of stupid little

parts becoming NLA. one of the reasons our family had been fond of diesel
MBZs was because of their traditional ability to keep them in good running
trim for so long; that seems to quickly becoming no longer the case.

we need a car that we can use, not something that's a hobby to keep

running.

we'd thought about acquiring a W126 diesel next, but are having to

rethink it likelihood of being able to maintain one of those, too.

are parts becoming unobtanium for the W140 diesels as with the W123s?


cheers!
e



On 03/Jan/15 11:54, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
I would rather have a nice W126, too.  Gasser or diesel.  That's not to

say this isn't a nice W123.

W140s have spoiled me.  I want a land yacht sedan.  W126 or W140,

either way, something that makes me feel like I'm sitting on the sofa in my
living room while I drive

Dan



On Jan 3, 2015, at 2:39 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <

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Wilton, I'd rather have a nice 350SDL too.

Jaime


On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 10:48 AM, WILTON via Mercedes <

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wrote:


I'm mighty tempted, but I'd really rather have a nice 126 like the

350SDL

with MB crate engine I let get away several months ago by

procrastinating

coupla days too long.

Wilton

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To: "Meade Dillon" ; "Mercedes Discussion

List" <

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Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 Crack o the day


I’ll bet that he gets his price+, and it could very well be a

subscriber

to this list.


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I'll bet he gets his price, and further it won't be a subscriber of

this

list...

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

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On Jan 3, 2015 6:45 PM, "fmiser via Mercedes"  wrote:
>
>
> Is fuel price the only reason you choose to drive a diesel?
>
> For me it's not.  I choose diesel engines for a lot of other
> reasons, so now that gasoline is cheap (for a while) I loose one of
> the lesser benefits.
>

Modern diesels have a different set of benefits than the older stuff. They
aren't anywhere near as simple. They won't run without electricity or
survive an EMP. You can't fix them with golf tees or pour cooking oil in
the tank as a party trick. They aren't drop dead reliable compared to their
contemporaries, as compared to, say, a W123 vs something with D-jet and a
distributor. They will not serve as taxis in Senegal thirty years from now.

The new stuff is all about efficiency, range, and torque. Torque is proof
that God loves us and wants us to be happy.  I also appreciate the unique
technical aspects compared to every other silver E class out there. It is
still less expensive to operate than a gas E320 and I really like the car
so I'm not complaining, but the advantage is smaller than it was a few
months ago.

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] Secret message for OK Don

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Getting warm...  Might be Fedex.

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 6:39 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Pkg via USPS?
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "OK Don via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "Curt Raymond" ; "Mercedes Discussion List" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 5:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Secret message for OK Don
>
>
>
>  The eagle has landed . . .
>> Don
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>  The eagle is in the air...
>>> -Curt
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>> OK Don
>>
>> NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!
>>
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>> who
>> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
>> for themselves."
>>
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>> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] W123 Crack o the day

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Cracked me up.  I love Aussie humor.

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> Tell 'im 'e's dreamin':
>
> http://youtu.be/dik_wnOE4dk
>
> Just kidding Jaime. Mine has the real hirschman replaced also. You will get
> big money for it if nice; unfortunately it is usually from the wvo boys
> with no intention of spending any money to maintain it, but to each their
> own.
>
> Some cook from MS bought my rusty 1963 190d for $2850 about seven years ago
> to run french fries thru it.
> On Jan 2, 2015 8:50 AM, "Tim Crone via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
>
> > $5K reserve, at least, for a W123.  At least he took good pictures:
> >
> > http://www.ebay.com/itm/121531377462
> >
> > Best,
> > -Tim
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Re: [MBZ] hurry before it's gone!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

There's gotta be a rusted out W108 280SE out there begging to have it's
engine repurposed

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> Drop the M130 and put this in it:
>
> http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/pts/4817240624.html
>
> Dan
>
>
> > On Jan 3, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hard telling without investigating.  Unless there's a picture window in
> the side of the block, who knows what its problem is?
> >
> > If I came upon a car like this and knew nothing about it, I would first
> try barring it over to see if it would even turn.  After that (if it didn't
> turn) I would run a borescope into the spark plug holes to see if there is
> anything obvious.
> >
> > The M130s were notorious for having the metal in the margins between the
> cylinder pairs erode on the head side.  The resulting leak into the water
> jacket would allow coolant directly into the cylinder(s).  In most cases
> this would be a long, gradual process, and you would see the symptoms well
> in advance of anything catastrophic occurring.  If not, I guess you could
> hydrolock one or more cylinders and bend a rod.  Never saw it happen, but I
> imagine it could.
> >
> > Dan
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Re: [MBZ] OT - A COUNTRY BOY REMEMBERS - TOM NELMS FARM, PART I

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Let the Mafia take it over again, build some hotels, restaurants, 
theaters, casinos, etc. and let it go!  Probably would not be a lot 
different except everyone would be making more money.


--R


On 1/3/15 3:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

So what's the solution?

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 10:53 AM, WILTON via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


Well, the N. Vietnamese received a gift courtesy of US Congress,
anyway.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas via Mercedes"
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
To: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - A COUNTRY BOY REMEMBERS - TOM NELMS FARM,
PART I



Because the Vietnamese won.  Cuber is still playing out.

--R


On 1/3/15 10:13 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:

I had a friend some years ago who was Cubano, his
parents sent him and a large number of his siblings to
the US, alone, to live with various other random
relatives and friends for some years until they could
escape and reunite the family. Apparently this was
quite common in the early years after La Revolucion. 
While being too young he had no memories of Cuber, he

had a deep hatred for Castro and the commies.


Which is all well and good, until all the Cuban exiles
think the whole country should base its foreign policy on
their feelings, and all of Washington, District of CooCoos
decides to humor them.

I mean, emotions aside, why should we have an embargo upon
Cuba and not Vietnam?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I had one of those engines in my GL and did not have problems I was told by a 
reliable mb guy they are disposable. They are not built as well as the old 
straight 6

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 3, 2015, at 6:48 PM, Tom Savage  wrote:
> 
> Yeah but they have those goofy brakes and besides, I couldn't find any that 
> didn't have a zillion miles and spotty service history.  The Bluetec only had 
> 36k miles on it, and all records from the dealer.
> 
> The V6 is more complicated but doesn't seem to be less reliable.
> 
> Tom
> 
> On Jan 3, 2015 6:31 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
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> >
> > The car to get is the 05-06 cdi straight 6, better mileage more reliable 
> > than the v6 blue tec
> >
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Re: [MBZ] W123 nozzle numbers (was turbodiesel leaky injectors OMG)

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Anybody here run the 315 injector  nozzles in an om617a? If so, any
difference? And what about the stronger overflow spring- anybody try one?
Thanks.
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> As I was fiddling under the hood to disconnect the monovalve on the 1985
> 300TD I noticed that at least two injectors were soaking wet!  Should I
> replace all 5 injectors or simply the defective ones?  I don't have service
> records so can't be sure whether any were previously replaced.
>
> Is there a type or brand of replacement injector to purchase or eschew?
>
> Thanks, and Happy Boxing Day to believers and nonbelievers alike.
>
> Andrew
> 1983 300TD
> White, runs great but still leaks in driver's footwell despite new s/r seal
> and cleared drains
>
> 1985 300TD
> CA version with a couple leaky injectors and balky monovalve (perhaps).
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

Yeah but they have those goofy brakes and besides, I couldn't find any that
didn't have a zillion miles and spotty service history.  The Bluetec only
had 36k miles on it, and all records from the dealer.

The V6 is more complicated but doesn't seem to be less reliable.

Tom

On Jan 3, 2015 6:31 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
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>
> The car to get is the 05-06 cdi straight 6, better mileage more reliable
than the v6 blue tec
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

> Tom wrote:
> I sure thought I was clever buying the E320 Bluetec last summer when gas
> was still expensive and diesel was close to parity with premium. I like the
> car but with a 50 cent price differential and a disappointing 30.3 mpg it
> will be a while before I get to feel clever again.
>
> On my easy highway commute I averaged 20.6 in now-Dan's S420. Maybe I
> should put more air in the tires.

WOW! 

I thought they get like 36+ mpg...

(huge link to follow)



smh,

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Tom wrote:
> 
> I sure thought I was clever buying the E320 Bluetec last summer
> when gas was still expensive and diesel was close to parity with
> premium. I like the car but with a 50 cent price differential and
> a disappointing 30.3 mpg it will be a while before I get to feel
> clever again.

Is fuel price the only reason you choose to drive a diesel?

For me it's not.  I choose diesel engines for a lot of other
reasons, so now that gasoline is cheap (for a while) I loose one of
the lesser benefits.  

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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The car to get is the 05-06 cdi straight 6, better mileage more reliable than 
the v6 blue tec

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> On Jan 3, 2015, at 6:28 PM, Tom Savage via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On Jan 3, 2015 5:16 PM, "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
>> Yep, now is the time to buy a used diesel or high mpg gasser.
> 
> I sure thought I was clever buying the E320 Bluetec last summer when gas
> was still expensive and diesel was close to parity with premium. I like the
> car but with a 50 cent price differential and a disappointing 30.3 mpg it
> will be a while before I get to feel clever again.
> 
> On my easy highway commute I averaged 20.6 in now-Dan's S420. Maybe I
> should put more air in the tires.
> 
> Tom
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

On Jan 3, 2015 5:16 PM, "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" 
wrote:
> Yep, now is the time to buy a used diesel or high mpg gasser.
>

I sure thought I was clever buying the E320 Bluetec last summer when gas
was still expensive and diesel was close to parity with premium. I like the
car but with a 50 cent price differential and a disappointing 30.3 mpg it
will be a while before I get to feel clever again.

On my easy highway commute I averaged 20.6 in now-Dan's S420. Maybe I
should put more air in the tires.

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)

[dseretakis--- via Mercedes]

Yes they are truly awful. They are pretty rock solid mechanically though and 
have nice interiors.

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> On Jan 3, 2015, at 5:36 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Aren't w210 bodies very rust prone?  Spring perches etc.? Or is that only
> here in the salt belt?
> On Jan 3, 2015 4:50 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
>> Based on what I know about them, it sounds like a W210 would be your best
>> bet.  I'm told by current owners that they are good on gas and pretty
>> rugged.  Not a lot of electronics and fairly simple to work on.
>> 
>> You might want to wander through the W210 forum over at Benzworld and see
>> what people are saying.  They may have an FAQ on what to look for when
>> you're buying one, too.  Most of the sections have stickies like this.
>> 
>> While I'm sure a W124 could serve the need, finding one that's been
>> properly cared for and doesn't have a boatload of miles on it at his point
>> is going to be tough.  Not to mention the W210s are plentiful enough that
>> you could probably get a good one for less than the top end W124.
>> 
>> Like the CarTalk guys always said, the newer it is, the safer it's going
>> to be, too.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
 On Jan 3, 2015, at 4:06 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Original Message
>>> From: ernest breakfield via Mercedes
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2015 2:09 PM
>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Reply To: ernest breakfield
>>> Subject: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)
   we need a car that we can use, >not something that's a hobby to
>>> keep
 running.
>>> 
>>> Which is why I asked the W140/W210 questions the other day. I just drove
>> a 2014 Honda Civic, and frankly my W124 drives MUCH better. I'm thinking
>> W210 or clean, low miles W124 (do they exist?) to replace the aging,
>> rusting W123's. I drive 600 miles a week, so a W140 would use too much
>> fuel. Gas prices WILL be going back up...
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Z10
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

‎> On Jan 3, 2015, at 5:36 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> 
> Aren't w210 bodies very rust prone?  Spring perches etc.? Or is that only 
> here in the salt belt?
>

Yes. 

That said, the 4-matic cars don't have that issue, and I would think a non rust 
belt car would not have that issue. If I were to put a liberal coating of Fluid 
Film on rust prone areas every autumn, the car should last until it is pretty 
much obsolete. At least that is my thoughts on the matter. 
‎
Rick 
Who wishes Fluid Film would've been put on his 123's every year. 

Who also wonders where Hendrik has been hiding lately?

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Re: [MBZ] Secret message for OK Don

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Pkg via USPS?

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "OK Don via Mercedes" 
To: "Curt Raymond" ; "Mercedes Discussion List" 


Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Secret message for OK Don



The eagle has landed . . .
Don

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The eagle is in the air...
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Re: [MBZ] W123 Crack o the day

[Karl W via Mercedes]

Tell 'im 'e's dreamin':

http://youtu.be/dik_wnOE4dk

Just kidding Jaime. Mine has the real hirschman replaced also. You will get
big money for it if nice; unfortunately it is usually from the wvo boys
with no intention of spending any money to maintain it, but to each their
own.

Some cook from MS bought my rusty 1963 190d for $2850 about seven years ago
to run french fries thru it.
On Jan 2, 2015 8:50 AM, "Tim Crone via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> $5K reserve, at least, for a W123.  At least he took good pictures:
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/121531377462
>
> Best,
> -Tim
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I believe these are the chassis' with the spring perch issue, but that being 
the case its like the W140 disintegrating wiring harnesses - you know exactly 
what to look for and can immediately disqualify a car.

Others who know better than I will comment, I'm sure.

Dan



> On Jan 3, 2015, at 5:36 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> 
> Aren't w210 bodies very rust prone?  Spring perches etc.? Or is that only 
> here in the salt belt?
> 
> On Jan 3, 2015 4:50 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes"  > wrote:
> Based on what I know about them, it sounds like a W210 would be your best 
> bet.  I'm told by current owners that they are good on gas and pretty rugged. 
>  Not a lot of electronics and fairly simple to work on.
> 
> You might want to wander through the W210 forum over at Benzworld and see 
> what people are saying.  They may have an FAQ on what to look for when you're 
> buying one, too.  Most of the sections have stickies like this.
> 
> While I'm sure a W124 could serve the need, finding one that's been properly 
> cared for and doesn't have a boatload of miles on it at his point is going to 
> be tough.  Not to mention the W210s are plentiful enough that you could 
> probably get a good one for less than the top end W124.
> 
> Like the CarTalk guys always said, the newer it is, the safer it's going to 
> be, too.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> > On Jan 3, 2015, at 4:06 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  > > wrote:
> >
> >
> >   Original Message
> > From: ernest breakfield via Mercedes
> > Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2015 2:09 PM
> > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
> > Reply To: ernest breakfield
> > Subject: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)
> >  >we need a car that we can use, >not something that's a hobby to >keep
> >> running.
> >
> > Which is why I asked the W140/W210 questions the other day. I just drove a 
> > 2014 Honda Civic, and frankly my W124 drives MUCH better. I'm thinking W210 
> > or clean, low miles W124 (do they exist?) to replace the aging, rusting 
> > W123's. I drive 600 miles a week, so a W140 would use too much fuel. Gas 
> > prices WILL be going back up...
> >
> > Rick
> > Sent from my BlackBerry Z10
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I have been seeing on the news people talking about the cheap gas and how they 
rushed out to buy big suv since the prices are low. They are idiots, it will be 
back up soon enough



Yep, now is the time to buy a used diesel or high mpg gasser.
Fools' memories rarely extend past their last fillup, and there are enough fools 
out there to really skew the market. Should be interesting to see how long it 
takes for Chevy to roll out $5k rebates on Cruze Eco.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Aren't w210 bodies very rust prone?  Spring perches etc.? Or is that only
here in the salt belt?
On Jan 3, 2015 4:50 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Based on what I know about them, it sounds like a W210 would be your best
> bet.  I'm told by current owners that they are good on gas and pretty
> rugged.  Not a lot of electronics and fairly simple to work on.
>
> You might want to wander through the W210 forum over at Benzworld and see
> what people are saying.  They may have an FAQ on what to look for when
> you're buying one, too.  Most of the sections have stickies like this.
>
> While I'm sure a W124 could serve the need, finding one that's been
> properly cared for and doesn't have a boatload of miles on it at his point
> is going to be tough.  Not to mention the W210s are plentiful enough that
> you could probably get a good one for less than the top end W124.
>
> Like the CarTalk guys always said, the newer it is, the safer it's going
> to be, too.
>
> Dan
>
>
> > On Jan 3, 2015, at 4:06 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >   Original Message
> > From: ernest breakfield via Mercedes
> > Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2015 2:09 PM
> > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Reply To: ernest breakfield
> > Subject: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)
> >  >we need a car that we can use, >not something that's a hobby to
> >keep
> >> running.
> >
> > Which is why I asked the W140/W210 questions the other day. I just drove
> a 2014 Honda Civic, and frankly my W124 drives MUCH better. I'm thinking
> W210 or clean, low miles W124 (do they exist?) to replace the aging,
> rusting W123's. I drive 600 miles a week, so a W140 would use too much
> fuel. Gas prices WILL be going back up...
> >
> > Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Secret message for OK Don

[OK Don via Mercedes]

The eagle has landed . . .
Don

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Re: [MBZ] hurry before it's gone!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Drop the M130 and put this in it:

http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/pts/4817240624.html

Dan


> On Jan 3, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Hard telling without investigating.  Unless there's a picture window in the 
> side of the block, who knows what its problem is?
> 
> If I came upon a car like this and knew nothing about it, I would first try 
> barring it over to see if it would even turn.  After that (if it didn't turn) 
> I would run a borescope into the spark plug holes to see if there is anything 
> obvious.
> 
> The M130s were notorious for having the metal in the margins between the 
> cylinder pairs erode on the head side.  The resulting leak into the water 
> jacket would allow coolant directly into the cylinder(s).  In most cases this 
> would be a long, gradual process, and you would see the symptoms well in 
> advance of anything catastrophic occurring.  If not, I guess you could 
> hydrolock one or more cylinders and bend a rod.  Never saw it happen, but I 
> imagine it could.
> 
> Dan
> 


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Re: [MBZ] hurry before it's gone!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Hard telling without investigating.  Unless there's a picture window in the 
side of the block, who knows what its problem is?

If I came upon a car like this and knew nothing about it, I would first try 
barring it over to see if it would even turn.  After that (if it didn't turn) I 
would run a borescope into the spark plug holes to see if there is anything 
obvious.

The M130s were notorious for having the metal in the margins between the 
cylinder pairs erode on the head side.  The resulting leak into the water 
jacket would allow coolant directly into the cylinder(s).  In most cases this 
would be a long, gradual process, and you would see the symptoms well in 
advance of anything catastrophic occurring.  If not, I guess you could 
hydrolock one or more cylinders and bend a rod.  Never saw it happen, but I 
imagine it could.

Dan




> On Jan 3, 2015, at 4:37 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Seized:
> 
> Could he mean the cylinders and rings have rusted together from setting in
> a damp climate and never being run?
> 
> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 2:04 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, 03 Jan 2015 15:59:51 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> I dropped him a note asking if he as sure it was seized:
>>> 
>>> "Yes...have many years of engine rebuilding in my background."
>>> 
>>> I wish him well.  Parts for a rebuild will be pricey, I suspect.
>>> I would look around for another car to get a good running engine.
>> 
>> How about putting a different engine in it?
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Based on what I know about them, it sounds like a W210 would be your best bet.  
I'm told by current owners that they are good on gas and pretty rugged.  Not a 
lot of electronics and fairly simple to work on.

You might want to wander through the W210 forum over at Benzworld and see what 
people are saying.  They may have an FAQ on what to look for when you're buying 
one, too.  Most of the sections have stickies like this.

While I'm sure a W124 could serve the need, finding one that's been properly 
cared for and doesn't have a boatload of miles on it at his point is going to 
be tough.  Not to mention the W210s are plentiful enough that you could 
probably get a good one for less than the top end W124.

Like the CarTalk guys always said, the newer it is, the safer it's going to be, 
too.

Dan


> On Jan 3, 2015, at 4:06 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>   Original Message  
> From: ernest breakfield via Mercedes
> Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2015 2:09 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply To: ernest breakfield
> Subject: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)
>  >we need a car that we can use, >not something that's a hobby to >keep 
>> running.
> 
> Which is why I asked the W140/W210 questions the other day. I just drove a 
> 2014 Honda Civic, and frankly my W124 drives MUCH better. I'm thinking W210 
> or clean, low miles W124 (do they exist?) to replace the aging, rusting 
> W123's. I drive 600 miles a week, so a W140 would use too much fuel. Gas 
> prices WILL be going back up...
> 
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Re: [MBZ] hurry before it's gone!

[Jon Agne via Mercedes]

I have a ’69 280SEL sitting behind my barn with a seized engine.


> On Jan 3, 2015, at 1:10 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> From the limited description and photos it looks pretty good.  I've never 
> seen one of those engines seized, so I'm wondering what the deal is there, or 
> if that's really the case.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Jan 3, 2015, at 1:04 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> ‎You're not going to buy it? 
>> You've been wanting a sedan. 
>> 
>> :<)
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] hurry before it's gone!

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Seized:

Could he mean the cylinders and rings have rusted together from setting in
a damp climate and never being run?

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 2:04 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Sat, 03 Jan 2015 15:59:51 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > I dropped him a note asking if he as sure it was seized:
> >
> > "Yes...have many years of engine rebuilding in my background."
> >
> > I wish him well.  Parts for a rebuild will be pricey, I suspect.
> > I would look around for another car to get a good running engine.
>
> How about putting a different engine in it?
>
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I have been seeing on the news people talking about the cheap gas and how they 
rushed out to buy big suv since the prices are low. They are idiots, it will be 
back up soon enough

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 3, 2015, at 3:06 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
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> 
>   Original Message  
> From: ernest breakfield via Mercedes
> Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2015 2:09 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply To: ernest breakfield
> Subject: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)
>  >we need a car that we can use, >not something that's a hobby to >keep 
>> running.
> 
> Which is why I asked the W140/W210 questions the other day. I just drove a 
> 2014 Honda Civic, and frankly my W124 drives MUCH better. I'm thinking W210 
> or clean, low miles W124 (do they exist?) to replace the aging, rusting 
> W123's. I drive 600 miles a week, so a W140 would use too much fuel. Gas 
> prices WILL be going back up...
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

  Original Message  
From: ernest breakfield via Mercedes
Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2015 2:09 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Reply To: ernest breakfield
Subject: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)
 >    we need a car that we can use, >not something that's a hobby to >keep 
>running.

Which is why I asked the W140/W210 questions the other day. I just drove a 2014 
Honda Civic, and frankly my W124 drives MUCH better. I'm thinking W210 or 
clean, low miles W124 (do they exist?) to replace the aging, rusting W123's. I 
drive 600 miles a week, so a W140 would use too much fuel. Gas prices WILL be 
going back up...

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] hurry before it's gone!

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 03 Jan 2015 15:59:51 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I dropped him a note asking if he as sure it was seized:
> 
> "Yes...have many years of engine rebuilding in my background."
> 
> I wish him well.  Parts for a rebuild will be pricey, I suspect.
> I would look around for another car to get a good running engine.

How about putting a different engine in it?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] W123 turbodiesel leaky injectors OMG

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

But o5nky eat if it is WVO or SVO.
On Jan 3, 2015 3:47 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You could eat off the return lines, they're that clean/new.
>
> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:45 AM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > i'd be replacing the return lines now for sure; if you got any of that
> > stuff on the return lines, they may well be shrinking up, and start to
> pop
> > off making an extra-special mess of the hood liner and everything else
> > under the hood.
> >
> > i still didn't see howl old the return lines are; those things aren't
> > expected to last forever.
> >
> >
> > cheers!
> > e
> >
> > On 01/Jan/15 20:08, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> >
> >> I used orange spray stuff - not too harsh - to clean up the valve cover
> >> and injectors and fuel lines.  Then went for a 25 mile drive up I-270
> and
> >> back.  I popped the hood - there is no evidence of leakage anywhere.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 8:35 PM, ernest breakfield <
> >> erne...@backyardengineering.org  >>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> the return lines are not the metal ones *to* the injectors.
> >> and i don't think there'd be any cause to worry about an
> >> engine cleaner damaging a metal line, since metal is what most of
> >> the engine is made of.
> >>
> >>
> >> cheers!
> >> e
> >>
> >>
> >> On 31/Dec/14 13:04, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> >>
> >>> You mean the bent metal lines to the injectors?  Or the flexible
> >>> rubber/cloth lines between each injector?
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 3:21 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes
> >>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> be careful what you "clean the engine" with; the stock return
> >>> lines are pretty easily destroyed by many engine degreasers
> >>> and cleaners.
> >>>
> >>> i didn't see how long it's been since you replaced the
> >>> ones that are in there, but frankly, i'd just replace the
> >>> return lines all with known new good lines; it's the
> >>> quickest/cheapest/easiest possible solution, and on the off
> >>> chance that it doesn't solve the problem it's the easiest way
> >>> to eliminate them as a possibility of the cause of the leak.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> cheers!
> >>> e
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 26/Dec/14 19:36, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Great input - thanks. Clearly, I need to clean the engine
> >>> and watch for
> >>> the fuel to appear.  The cloth injector lines are
> >>> pristine; in every other
> >>> case of leaky lines they were saturated (dark colored).
> >>>Mine are still dry
> >>> and white from one end to the other.
> >>>
> >>> This is a CA version 1985 300TD - could that have
> >>> something to do with it?
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes
> <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com >
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> If you don't have any luck with the return lines as
> >>> other suggested and you
> >>>
> >>> go for replacement, then replace all the
> >>> injectors.  Or better yet, have
> >>> them rebuilt by someone competent.
> >>>
> >>> But avoid those Indian bosch rebuilds, they're
> >>> really horrible.  I just
> >>> confirmed this in a 240D I bought a few weeks
> >>> ago... the car ran very
> >>> poorly, nailing and knocking.  The injectors
> >>> looked recently installed as
> >>> they were very clean. They tested ok on the pop
> >>> tester, but I rebuilt them
> >>> with new nozzles anyway.  Huge improvement.
> >>>
> >>> Good luck,
> >>> Jaime
> >>>
> >>> I've seen compression leaks when the nozzle seal/heat
> >>> shield is not seated
> >>> properly, and leaks from the lines and from the
> >>> return hose, but never from
> >>> the body of an injector.  If the nozzles and nozzle
> >>> holders are un-fiddled
> >>> with, then you are looking at hoses as the most
> >>> likely source of the leak,
> >>> (99%)  If someone has recently fiddled with the
> >>> Nozzle holders, the they
> >>> may not have been assembled correctly and could be
> >>> leaking.
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] hurry before it's gone!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I dropped him a note asking if he as sure it was seized:

"Yes...have many years of engine rebuilding in my background."

I wish him well.  Parts for a rebuild will be pricey, I suspect.  I would look 
around for another car to get a good running engine.

Dan


> On Jan 3, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> "I'm sure I can make it run".  LOL.
> 
> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, 03 Jan 2015 13:10:36 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> From the limited description and photos it looks pretty good.  I've
>>> never seen one of those engines seized, so I'm wondering what the deal
>>> is there, or if that's really the case.
>> 
>> 
>>   "Motor appears to be siezed. I'm sure I can make it run."
>> 
>> If the motor really is siezed, he won't be able to make it run without a
>> LOT of work!
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I can't speak for the W140 diesels, but for the gassers there is no shortage of 
parts. Some things, like the self-destructing wiring harnesses if you're 
unlucky enough to have a car that still has one, are in the aftermarket but 
getting harder to find as demand has dropped off.  A lot of the guys on the 
Benzworld W140 forum aggressively part cars out, so there's a good supply of 
used parts floating around, too.

BTW, I had to top off the S500's AC today.  The youngest said it wasn't making 
cool well.  There's evidence of dye from the compressor seal, so I suspect 
that's the (new) weak point.  Meh.  If I have to put a can of refrigerant in it 
occasionally I'm still ahead compared to having to replace the evaporator.

Dan

> On Jan 3, 2015, at 3:09 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> agreed; much as i love our W123, i'm getting tired of stupid little parts 
> becoming NLA. one of the reasons our family had been fond of diesel MBZs was 
> because of their traditional ability to keep them in good running trim for so 
> long; that seems to quickly becoming no longer the case.
>we need a car that we can use, not something that's a hobby to keep 
> running.
> 
>we'd thought about acquiring a W126 diesel next, but are having to rethink 
> it likelihood of being able to maintain one of those, too.
>are parts becoming unobtanium for the W140 diesels as with the W123s?
> 
> 
> cheers!
> e


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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Hey, all you W123 people whining about parts that are NLA.  Please SHARE
the specifics inasmuch as I have a ton of spare parts cluttering up my
garage.

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That was always the big claim to fame with mb was you could get parts for
> any car even back to the 40s and 50s. Not anymore.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jan 3, 2015, at 2:09 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > agreed; much as i love our W123, i'm getting tired of stupid little
> parts becoming NLA. one of the reasons our family had been fond of diesel
> MBZs was because of their traditional ability to keep them in good running
> trim for so long; that seems to quickly becoming no longer the case.
> >we need a car that we can use, not something that's a hobby to keep
> running.
> >
> >we'd thought about acquiring a W126 diesel next, but are having to
> rethink it likelihood of being able to maintain one of those, too.
> >are parts becoming unobtanium for the W140 diesels as with the W123s?
> >
> >
> > cheers!
> > e
> >
> >
> >> On 03/Jan/15 11:54, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> >> I would rather have a nice W126, too.  Gasser or diesel.  That's not to
> say this isn't a nice W123.
> >>
> >> W140s have spoiled me.  I want a land yacht sedan.  W126 or W140,
> either way, something that makes me feel like I'm sitting on the sofa in my
> living room while I drive
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jan 3, 2015, at 2:39 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Wilton, I'd rather have a nice 350SDL too.
> >>>
> >>> Jaime
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 10:48 AM, WILTON via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  I'm mighty tempted, but I'd really rather have a nice 126 like the
> 350SDL
>  with MB crate engine I let get away several months ago by
> procrastinating
>  coupla days too long.
> 
>  Wilton
> 
>  - Original Message - From: "Jon Agne via Mercedes" <
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>  To: "Meade Dillon" ; "Mercedes Discussion
> List" <
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>  Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 7:51 AM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 Crack o the day
> 
> 
>  I’ll bet that he gets his price+, and it could very well be a
> subscriber
> > to this list.
> >
> >
> > On Jan 2, 2015, at 10:26 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
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> >>
> >> I'll bet he gets his price, and further it won't be a subscriber of
> this
> >> list...
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Re: [MBZ] hurry before it's gone!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

"I'm sure I can make it run".  LOL.

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Sat, 03 Jan 2015 13:10:36 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > From the limited description and photos it looks pretty good.  I've
> > never seen one of those engines seized, so I'm wondering what the deal
> > is there, or if that's really the case.
>
>
>"Motor appears to be siezed. I'm sure I can make it run."
>
> If the motor really is siezed, he won't be able to make it run without a
> LOT of work!
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Vintage Mercedes hotrods

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I haven't received it yet but can hardly wait.  You'd be amazed how many
moving companies tried to recruit me after that caper.

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 1:14 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes <
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> For all you Star Magazine readers, check out the article "Dream Cars in
> Paradise" in the Jan/Feb edition. Here my friend (Andrew's friend too),
> Gael, shows off his modified pagoda and w111 coupe. I'm proud to say that I
> played a small role in their creation as well. And come to think of it so
> did Andrew with his hulking muscles hauling rear axles around!
>
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Re: [MBZ] W123 turbodiesel leaky injectors OMG

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

You could eat off the return lines, they're that clean/new.

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:45 AM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> i'd be replacing the return lines now for sure; if you got any of that
> stuff on the return lines, they may well be shrinking up, and start to pop
> off making an extra-special mess of the hood liner and everything else
> under the hood.
>
> i still didn't see howl old the return lines are; those things aren't
> expected to last forever.
>
>
> cheers!
> e
>
> On 01/Jan/15 20:08, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>> I used orange spray stuff - not too harsh - to clean up the valve cover
>> and injectors and fuel lines.  Then went for a 25 mile drive up I-270 and
>> back.  I popped the hood - there is no evidence of leakage anywhere.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 8:35 PM, ernest breakfield <
>> erne...@backyardengineering.org >
>> wrote:
>>
>> the return lines are not the metal ones *to* the injectors.
>> and i don't think there'd be any cause to worry about an
>> engine cleaner damaging a metal line, since metal is what most of
>> the engine is made of.
>>
>>
>> cheers!
>> e
>>
>>
>> On 31/Dec/14 13:04, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>>
>>> You mean the bent metal lines to the injectors?  Or the flexible
>>> rubber/cloth lines between each injector?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 3:21 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes
>>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> be careful what you "clean the engine" with; the stock return
>>> lines are pretty easily destroyed by many engine degreasers
>>> and cleaners.
>>>
>>> i didn't see how long it's been since you replaced the
>>> ones that are in there, but frankly, i'd just replace the
>>> return lines all with known new good lines; it's the
>>> quickest/cheapest/easiest possible solution, and on the off
>>> chance that it doesn't solve the problem it's the easiest way
>>> to eliminate them as a possibility of the cause of the leak.
>>>
>>>
>>> cheers!
>>> e
>>>
>>>
>>> On 26/Dec/14 19:36, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>>
>>> Great input - thanks. Clearly, I need to clean the engine
>>> and watch for
>>> the fuel to appear.  The cloth injector lines are
>>> pristine; in every other
>>> case of leaky lines they were saturated (dark colored).
>>>Mine are still dry
>>> and white from one end to the other.
>>>
>>> This is a CA version 1985 300TD - could that have
>>> something to do with it?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>>>
>>> If you don't have any luck with the return lines as
>>> other suggested and you
>>>
>>> go for replacement, then replace all the
>>> injectors.  Or better yet, have
>>> them rebuilt by someone competent.
>>>
>>> But avoid those Indian bosch rebuilds, they're
>>> really horrible.  I just
>>> confirmed this in a 240D I bought a few weeks
>>> ago... the car ran very
>>> poorly, nailing and knocking.  The injectors
>>> looked recently installed as
>>> they were very clean. They tested ok on the pop
>>> tester, but I rebuilt them
>>> with new nozzles anyway.  Huge improvement.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>> Jaime
>>>
>>> I've seen compression leaks when the nozzle seal/heat
>>> shield is not seated
>>> properly, and leaks from the lines and from the
>>> return hose, but never from
>>> the body of an injector.  If the nozzles and nozzle
>>> holders are un-fiddled
>>> with, then you are looking at hoses as the most
>>> likely source of the leak,
>>> (99%)  If someone has recently fiddled with the
>>> Nozzle holders, the they
>>> may not have been assembled correctly and could be
>>> leaking.
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - A COUNTRY BOY REMEMBERS - TOM NELMS FARM, PART I

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

So what's the solution?

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 10:53 AM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Well, the N. Vietnamese received a gift courtesy of US Congress, anyway.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas via Mercedes" <
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> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 10:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - A COUNTRY BOY REMEMBERS - TOM NELMS FARM, PART I
>
>
>
>  Because the Vietnamese won.  Cuber is still playing out.
>>
>> --R
>>
>>
>> On 1/3/15 10:13 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:
>>>
 I had a friend some years ago who was Cubano, his parents sent him and
 a large number of his siblings to the US, alone, to live with various other
 random relatives and friends for some years until they could escape and
 reunite the family.  Apparently this was quite common in the early years
 after La Revolucion.  While being too young he had no memories of Cuber, he
 had a deep hatred for Castro and the commies.

>>>
>>> Which is all well and good, until all the Cuban exiles think the whole
>>> country should base its foreign policy on their feelings, and all of
>>> Washington, District of CooCoos decides to humor them.
>>>
>>> I mean, emotions aside, why should we have an embargo upon Cuba and not
>>> Vietnam?
>>>
>>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] W123 Crack o the day

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yep, this a fine 123 example, and I'd love to have it, but maybe I'll get 
lucky and find an appropriate 126 or 211 before my 124 (140 kmi) "craps 
out."  ;<)


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes List" 
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 Crack o the day


I would rather have a nice W126, too.  Gasser or diesel.  That's not to say 
this isn't a nice W123.


W140s have spoiled me.  I want a land yacht sedan.  W126 or W140, either 
way, something that makes me feel like I'm sitting on the sofa in my 
living room while I drive


Dan


On Jan 3, 2015, at 2:39 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Wilton, I'd rather have a nice 350SDL too.

Jaime


On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 10:48 AM, WILTON via Mercedes 


wrote:

I'm mighty tempted, but I'd really rather have a nice 126 like the 
350SDL
with MB crate engine I let get away several months ago by 
procrastinating

coupla days too long.

Wilton

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Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 Crack o the day


I’ll bet that he gets his price+, and it could very well be a subscriber

to this list.


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I'll bet he gets his price, and further it won't be a subscriber of 
this

list...

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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

That was always the big claim to fame with mb was you could get parts for any 
car even back to the 40s and 50s. Not anymore. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 3, 2015, at 2:09 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> agreed; much as i love our W123, i'm getting tired of stupid little parts 
> becoming NLA. one of the reasons our family had been fond of diesel MBZs was 
> because of their traditional ability to keep them in good running trim for so 
> long; that seems to quickly becoming no longer the case.
>we need a car that we can use, not something that's a hobby to keep 
> running.
> 
>we'd thought about acquiring a W126 diesel next, but are having to rethink 
> it likelihood of being able to maintain one of those, too.
>are parts becoming unobtanium for the W140 diesels as with the W123s?
> 
> 
> cheers!
> e
> 
> 
>> On 03/Jan/15 11:54, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> I would rather have a nice W126, too.  Gasser or diesel.  That's not to say 
>> this isn't a nice W123.
>> 
>> W140s have spoiled me.  I want a land yacht sedan.  W126 or W140, either 
>> way, something that makes me feel like I'm sitting on the sofa in my living 
>> room while I drive
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 3, 2015, at 2:39 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wilton, I'd rather have a nice 350SDL too.
>>> 
>>> Jaime
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 10:48 AM, WILTON via Mercedes 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 I'm mighty tempted, but I'd really rather have a nice 126 like the 350SDL
 with MB crate engine I let get away several months ago by procrastinating
 coupla days too long.
 
 Wilton
 
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 Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 7:51 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 Crack o the day
 
 
 I’ll bet that he gets his price+, and it could very well be a subscriber
> to this list.
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>> list...
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Re: [MBZ] W123 Crack o the day

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

>
> Tell 'im 'e's dreamin':
>
> http://youtu.be/dik_wnOE4dk
>
> Just kidding Jaime. Mine has the real hirschman replaced also. You will
get big money for it if nice; unfortunately it is usually from the wvo boys
with no intention of spending any money to maintain it, but to each their
own.
>
> Some cook from MS bought my rusty 1963 190d for $2850 about seven years
ago to run french fries thru it.
>
> On Jan 2, 2015 8:50 AM, "Tim Crone via Mercedes" 
wrote:
>>
>> $5K reserve, at least, for a W123.  At least he took good pictures:
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/121531377462
>>
>> Best,
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[MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)

[ernest breakfield via Mercedes]

agreed; much as i love our W123, i'm getting tired of stupid little 
parts becoming NLA. one of the reasons our family had been fond of 
diesel MBZs was because of their traditional ability to keep them in 
good running trim for so long; that seems to quickly becoming no longer 
the case.
we need a car that we can use, not something that's a hobby to keep 
running.


we'd thought about acquiring a W126 diesel next, but are having to 
rethink it likelihood of being able to maintain one of those, too.

are parts becoming unobtanium for the W140 diesels as with the W123s?


cheers!
e


On 03/Jan/15 11:54, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I would rather have a nice W126, too.  Gasser or diesel.  That's not to say 
this isn't a nice W123.

W140s have spoiled me.  I want a land yacht sedan.  W126 or W140, either way, 
something that makes me feel like I'm sitting on the sofa in my living room 
while I drive

Dan



On Jan 3, 2015, at 2:39 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Wilton, I'd rather have a nice 350SDL too.

Jaime


On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 10:48 AM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:


I'm mighty tempted, but I'd really rather have a nice 126 like the 350SDL
with MB crate engine I let get away several months ago by procrastinating
coupla days too long.

Wilton

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To: "Meade Dillon" ; "Mercedes Discussion List" <
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Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 Crack o the day


I’ll bet that he gets his price+, and it could very well be a subscriber

to this list.


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I'll bet he gets his price, and further it won't be a subscriber of this
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Re: [MBZ] W123 Crack o the day

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I would rather have a nice W126, too.  Gasser or diesel.  That's not to say 
this isn't a nice W123.

W140s have spoiled me.  I want a land yacht sedan.  W126 or W140, either way, 
something that makes me feel like I'm sitting on the sofa in my living room 
while I drive

Dan


> On Jan 3, 2015, at 2:39 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
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> Wilton, I'd rather have a nice 350SDL too.
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 10:48 AM, WILTON via Mercedes 
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> 
>> I'm mighty tempted, but I'd really rather have a nice 126 like the 350SDL
>> with MB crate engine I let get away several months ago by procrastinating
>> coupla days too long.
>> 
>> Wilton
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Jon Agne via Mercedes" <
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>> To: "Meade Dillon" ; "Mercedes Discussion List" <
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>> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 7:51 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 Crack o the day
>> 
>> 
>> I’ll bet that he gets his price+, and it could very well be a subscriber
>>> to this list.
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Re: [MBZ] W123 Crack o the day

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

Wilton, I'd rather have a nice 350SDL too.

Jaime


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> I'm mighty tempted, but I'd really rather have a nice 126 like the 350SDL
> with MB crate engine I let get away several months ago by procrastinating
> coupla days too long.
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> Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] hurry before it's gone!

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On Sat, 03 Jan 2015 13:10:36 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
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> From the limited description and photos it looks pretty good.  I've
> never seen one of those engines seized, so I'm wondering what the deal
> is there, or if that's really the case.


   "Motor appears to be siezed. I'm sure I can make it run."

If the motor really is siezed, he won't be able to make it run without a
LOT of work!


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Re: [MBZ] hurry before it's gone!

[WILTON via Mercedes]

'Hafta let it go.

Wilton

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Subject: [MBZ] hurry before it's gone!



http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/4790178027.html

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[MBZ] Vintage Mercedes hotrods

[dseretakis--- via Mercedes]

For all you Star Magazine readers, check out the article "Dream Cars in 
Paradise" in the Jan/Feb edition. Here my friend (Andrew's friend too), Gael, 
shows off his modified pagoda and w111 coupe. I'm proud to say that I played a 
small role in their creation as well. And come to think of it so did Andrew 
with his hulking muscles hauling rear axles around!

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Re: [MBZ] hurry before it's gone!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

From the limited description and photos it looks pretty good.  I've never seen 
one of those engines seized, so I'm wondering what the deal is there, or if 
that's really the case.

Dan


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> ‎You're not going to buy it? 
> You've been wanting a sedan. 
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Re: [MBZ] hurry before it's gone!

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‎You're not going to buy it? 
You've been wanting a sedan. 

:<)

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[MBZ] hurry before it's gone!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/4790178027.html

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] W123 turbodiesel leaky injectors OMG

[ernest breakfield via Mercedes]

i'd be replacing the return lines now for sure; if you got any of that 
stuff on the return lines, they may well be shrinking up, and start to 
pop off making an extra-special mess of the hood liner and everything 
else under the hood.


i still didn't see howl old the return lines are; those things 
aren't expected to last forever.



cheers!
e

On 01/Jan/15 20:08, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
I used orange spray stuff - not too harsh - to clean up the valve 
cover and injectors and fuel lines.  Then went for a 25 mile drive up 
I-270 and back.  I popped the hood - there is no evidence of leakage 
anywhere.


On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 8:35 PM, ernest breakfield 
> wrote:


the return lines are not the metal ones *to* the injectors.
and i don't think there'd be any cause to worry about an
engine cleaner damaging a metal line, since metal is what most of
the engine is made of.


cheers!
e


On 31/Dec/14 13:04, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

You mean the bent metal lines to the injectors?  Or the flexible
rubber/cloth lines between each injector?

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 3:21 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

be careful what you "clean the engine" with; the stock return
lines are pretty easily destroyed by many engine degreasers
and cleaners.

i didn't see how long it's been since you replaced the
ones that are in there, but frankly, i'd just replace the
return lines all with known new good lines; it's the
quickest/cheapest/easiest possible solution, and on the off
chance that it doesn't solve the problem it's the easiest way
to eliminate them as a possibility of the cause of the leak.


cheers!
e


On 26/Dec/14 19:36, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Great input - thanks. Clearly, I need to clean the engine
and watch for
the fuel to appear.  The cloth injector lines are
pristine; in every other
case of leaky lines they were saturated (dark colored). 
Mine are still dry

and white from one end to the other.

This is a CA version 1985 300TD - could that have
something to do with it?

On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:

If you don't have any luck with the return lines as
other suggested and you

go for replacement, then replace all the
injectors.  Or better yet, have
them rebuilt by someone competent.

But avoid those Indian bosch rebuilds, they're
really horrible.  I just
confirmed this in a 240D I bought a few weeks
ago... the car ran very
poorly, nailing and knocking.  The injectors
looked recently installed as
they were very clean. They tested ok on the pop
tester, but I rebuilt them
with new nozzles anyway.  Huge improvement.

Good luck,
Jaime

I've seen compression leaks when the nozzle seal/heat
shield is not seated
properly, and leaks from the lines and from the
return hose, but never from
the body of an injector.  If the nozzles and nozzle
holders are un-fiddled
with, then you are looking at hoses as the most
likely source of the leak,
(99%)  If someone has recently fiddled with the
Nozzle holders, the they
may not have been assembled correctly and could be
leaking.


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Re: [MBZ] OT - A COUNTRY BOY REMEMBERS - TOM NELMS FARM, PART I

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Well, the N. Vietnamese received a gift courtesy of US Congress, anyway.

Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - A COUNTRY BOY REMEMBERS - TOM NELMS FARM, PART I



Because the Vietnamese won.  Cuber is still playing out.

--R


On 1/3/15 10:13 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:
I had a friend some years ago who was Cubano, his parents sent him and a 
large number of his siblings to the US, alone, to live with various 
other random relatives and friends for some years until they could 
escape and reunite the family.  Apparently this was quite common in the 
early years after La Revolucion.  While being too young he had no 
memories of Cuber, he had a deep hatred for Castro and the commies.


Which is all well and good, until all the Cuban exiles think the whole 
country should base its foreign policy on their feelings, and all of 
Washington, District of CooCoos decides to humor them.


I mean, emotions aside, why should we have an embargo upon Cuba and not 
Vietnam?


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] W123 Crack o the day

[WILTON via Mercedes]

I'm mighty tempted, but I'd really rather have a nice 126 like the 350SDL 
with MB crate engine I let get away several months ago by procrastinating 
coupla days too long.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 Crack o the day


I’ll bet that he gets his price+, and it could very well be a subscriber 
to this list.



On Jan 2, 2015, at 10:26 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
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I'll bet he gets his price, and further it won't be a subscriber of this
list...

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Re: [MBZ] OT - A COUNTRY BOY REMEMBERS - TOM NELMS FARM, PART I

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

You should also remember that many of the self-exiles from Cuba had  
strong ties to United Fruit and the previous US puppet dictator, who  
imprisoned more people than Castro.  Their main complaint seems to be  
that they were going to be forced to live like everyone else and not  
as aristocrats.  Lots of ties with the Mob, too, as the Mob pretty  
much ran all the illegal activities in Havana that the previous  
dictators were happy to be paid off to overlook -- drug running,  
cigarette running, prostitution, and gambling were the worse offenses,  
but there were others.  Cubans were just cogs in the wheel of United  
Fruit's sugar operations unless they owned the plantations or were  
rich.  Remember that Spain ran Cuba as an absolute monarchy until  
1900.  Most of the feudal system was still around in the 50's.


I firmly believe that had the US NOT isolated Cuba and allowed full  
tourist travel that the Communist system there would have failed very  
shortly under the crush of US dollars.  Besides, Castro hasn't left  
Cuba yet with the national treasury in gold bars on a PanAm airplane  
yet, unlike the previous three dictators.


No one should have paid the slightest attention to the Cuban  
"refugees" -- if they had actually believed in democracy they would  
have set one up at home instead of sucking up to dictators.  No  
dictators, no Cuban "revolution", no communist state.   After all,  
Castro was hardly the first to overthrow the government, he's just the  
only one that didn't act as Untied Fruit (now General Mills) enforcer,  
then leave with all the ready cash when it got too hot.


You can thank the Dulles brothers for the mess, they created it to  
make United Fruit (since they were majority owners) the effective  
owners of South and Central America for 60 years.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] W123 Crack o the day

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

They better hurry... I might have a deal with someone local!

Jaime



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Re: [MBZ] OT - A COUNTRY BOY REMEMBERS - TOM NELMS FARM, PART I

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Because the Vietnamese won.  Cuber is still playing out.

--R


On 1/3/15 10:13 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:
I had a friend some years ago who was Cubano, his parents sent him 
and a large number of his siblings to the US, alone, to live with 
various other random relatives and friends for some years until they 
could escape and reunite the family.  Apparently this was quite 
common in the early years after La Revolucion.  While being too young 
he had no memories of Cuber, he had a deep hatred for Castro and the 
commies.


Which is all well and good, until all the Cuban exiles think the whole 
country should base its foreign policy on their feelings, and all of 
Washington, District of CooCoos decides to humor them.


I mean, emotions aside, why should we have an embargo upon Cuba and 
not Vietnam?


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - A COUNTRY BOY REMEMBERS - TOM NELMS FARM, PART I

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:
I had a friend some years ago who was Cubano, his parents sent him and a 
large number of his siblings to the US, alone, to live with various 
other random relatives and friends for some years until they could 
escape and reunite the family.  Apparently this was quite common in the 
early years after La Revolucion.  While being too young he had no 
memories of Cuber, he had a deep hatred for Castro and the commies.


Which is all well and good, until all the Cuban exiles think the whole country 
should base its foreign policy on their feelings, and all of Washington, 
District of CooCoos decides to humor them.


I mean, emotions aside, why should we have an embargo upon Cuba and not Vietnam?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - A COUNTRY BOY REMEMBERS - TOM NELMS FARM, PART I

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

I had a friend some years ago who was Cubano, his parents sent him and a 
large number of his siblings to the US, alone, to live with various 
other random relatives and friends for some years until they could 
escape and reunite the family.  Apparently this was quite common in the 
early years after La Revolucion.  While being too young he had no 
memories of Cuber, he had a deep hatred for Castro and the commies.


--R

On 1/2/15 10:18 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Tonight we (SWMBO, little SWMBO and I) dined Cuban.  By chance we shared a
table with another couple, the gentleman was Cuban-American.  He was a
teenager when Fidel took power in January of '59.  He and his mother were
allowed to leave with the clothes they wore, one piece of jewelery and five
dollars each.  Everything else they owned (house, car, business) was stolen
by the commies.  He told us a little about it, and how Castro established
his police state and crushed dissent.

I thanked him for sharing, and told him I really valued first-hand accounts
of important events (like this and Wilton's writings), and encouraged him
to share more.

I'm not to sure our daughter (aged 8) picked up much, was very late for her
and "boring" adult talk, but often she surprises me with how much she
retains and understands.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] W123 Crack o the day

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I will give you 750 for your 300D Jon.
On Jan 3, 2015 8:55 AM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
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> Go for it Jon, I'll give you $500 for your 300D. :)
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Re: [MBZ] W123 Crack o the day

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Go for it Jon, I'll give you $500 for your 300D. :)

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Re: [MBZ] I am sort of lusting

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

If it were here I'd be there with cash already...

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Re: [MBZ] W123 Crack o the day

[Jon Agne via Mercedes]

I’ll bet that he gets his price+, and it could very well be a subscriber to 
this list.


> On Jan 2, 2015, at 10:26 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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> I'll bet he gets his price, and further it won't be a subscriber of this
> list...
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> Max Dillon,
> Charleston SC
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