Re: [MBZ] Spit Polish my Valve Covers

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

I go at them with ATF and  steel wool.  They come out great.



On Friday, March 11, 2016, clay via Mercedes  wrote:

> Not really.  I picked up a set at PnP the other day.  That, the switches,
> and a wire harness/ECU.  I am thinking I would use the harness as a
> template for my own wire rebuild one day.
>
> The valve covers off a M17 1973 were oxidized, and the insides were
> nasty.  Encrusted with burnt brownie sludge that all manner of solvents
> were finally able to remove.  With the help of a putty knife and wire brush
> that came clean.
>
> Today I worked on the exterior.  Gave it a scrub with green scratch pad.
> Then hit is with 4000, then 5000 grit wet sand paper.  The crusty came off
> enough, but still some crud.  I draped the covers in paper towel and did a
> phosphoric acid soak.  Pepsi stood in for real acid and the covers napped
> under damp towel until it began to rain.  I pulled the towel off and took
> the covers inside and dried with newspaper.
>
> I will have to hit HF to find buffing and polishing wheels and compound.
>  I have no idea how long this job will take.
>
>
> clay
>
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
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[MBZ] e: Harbor Freight

[MG via Mercedes]

Did that with the first steering wheel I tried to take off. Beat 
the snot out of it and didn't get anywhere. Luckily I didn't 
break the ratchet either, old Craftsman.


Went to HF and bought their 2' long 12" breaker bar. That thing 
rocks. Popped the nut loose slicker then goose grease.


Manfred



Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 06:22:52 -0800
From: Jim Cathey 


While attempting to remove the 22mm nut on the steering wheel on a PnP 
SL my ratchet died.


For those I use a 5# sledge and my 1/2" Snap-on ratchet.
(A friend found it in her shed, broken, and gave it to me.
The hardest part was chasing down a truck!  The lifetime
warrantee was nice.)

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] LED bulbs

[MG via Mercedes]

IF they are anything like the taillight bulbs I tried from 
Banggood then save your money. Can't see them in the daylight and 
not much good at night.
 If you decide to go for it let me know which ones you got and 
how they work.


Manfred



Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 07:26:24 -0700
From: Bob Rentfro 

I was looking for dome light bulbs and I see these crazy expensive LED dome
light bulbs ($12 vice <$1). What is the word on these? Any benift other
than its brightness and wallet emptying abilities?

Bob R





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Re: [MBZ] LED bulbs

[MG via Mercedes]

Curt,

Which ones did you get and where? I tried some about 3 years ago 
from Autozone that were worse then the original bulbs.


Manfred



Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 15:07:59 + (UTC)
From: Curt Raymond 

They work nice in a 123 dash. I'd put some eBay xenon bulbs in my '83 that 
melted the dash a little bit. The LEDs were brighter and didn't melt things. 
Almost made the dash bright enough...The only challenge is the polarity has to 
be right...
-Curt




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Re: [MBZ] LED bulbs

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I would like to know this as well.  I’m pretty sure the W123 instrument panel 
lamps are the same in the W126.

Thanks,

Dan


> On Mar 12, 2016, at 7:37 AM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Curt,
> 
> Which ones did you get and where? I tried some about 3 years ago from 
> Autozone that were worse then the original bulbs.
> 
> Manfred
> 
> 
>> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 15:07:59 + (UTC)
>> From: Curt Raymond 
>> They work nice in a 123 dash. I'd put some eBay xenon bulbs in my '83 that 
>> melted the dash a little bit. The LEDs were brighter and didn't melt things. 
>> Almost made the dash bright enough...The only challenge is the polarity has 
>> to be right...
>> -Curt
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] LED bulbs

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

I’m pretty sure the W123 instrument panel lamps are the same in the 
W126.


The lamps might be the same, but the illumination isn't.
IIRC, the 123 lamps are large-ish, and many of the others
are small.  Some of the small ones are out on stalks near
the face, and rely upon the omnidirectional light pattern
of an incandescent filament in order to throw adequate
light to the gauge faces.  Directional LED's in places
like that would work poorly, I would think.

The 123 lamps face light pipes, so a directional lamp,
_if aimed correctly_, would actually be superior there.

Raw lumens isn't enough.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] LED bulbs

[WILTON via Mercedes]

They are.  Well, the ones I had, anyway.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 

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Cc: "Dan Penoff" 
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:46 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] LED bulbs


I would like to know this as well.  I’m pretty sure the W123 instrument 
panel lamps are the same in the W126.


Thanks,

Dan


On Mar 12, 2016, at 7:37 AM, MG via Mercedes  
wrote:


Curt,

Which ones did you get and where? I tried some about 3 years ago from 
Autozone that were worse then the original bulbs.


Manfred



Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 15:07:59 + (UTC)
From: Curt Raymond 
They work nice in a 123 dash. I'd put some eBay xenon bulbs in my '83 
that melted the dash a little bit. The LEDs were brighter and didn't 
melt things. Almost made the dash bright enough...The only challenge is 
the polarity has to be right...

-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Status report.

#1 has broken.

#2 loose, threads out, carbon holding it but should come out.

#3, #4 moving a little bit.

#5 out and replaced.  Old plug star-marked Beru.

#6 not attempted yet.

#1 was moving, torque wrench set at 30 Nm.  I was moving it slowly back and 
forth, getting just a little movement when it let go.  Liberal use of 
penetrating oil, hot engine.

Monday I will call around to see if any local shop has the special tool set for 
drilling out the broken plug.


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'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

(shudders at nightmare scene)

I changed glowplugs on my 220D once.  Piece of cake.  Took me longer to
figure out the wiring for the new pencil-type plugs than it did to R&R
'em...

On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Status report.
>
> #1 has broken.
>
> #2 loose, threads out, carbon holding it but should come out.
>
> #3, #4 moving a little bit.
>
> #5 out and replaced.  Old plug star-marked Beru.
>
> #6 not attempted yet.
>
> #1 was moving, torque wrench set at 30 Nm.  I was moving it slowly back
> and forth, getting just a little movement when it let go.  Liberal use of
> penetrating oil, hot engine.
>
> Monday I will call around to see if any local shop has the special tool
> set for drilling out the broken plug.
>
>
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> Charleston SC
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> '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Yes, really a poor design.

#2 is now replaced.  Old was same as #5.
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'95 E300

On March 12, 2016 12:11:02 PM EST, "M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes" 
 wrote:
>(shudders at nightmare scene)
>
>I changed glowplugs on my 220D once.  Piece of cake.  Took me longer to
>figure out the wiring for the new pencil-type plugs than it did to R&R
>'em...
>
>On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Status report.
>>
>> #1 has broken.
>>
>> #2 loose, threads out, carbon holding it but should come out.
>>
>> #3, #4 moving a little bit.
>>
>> #5 out and replaced.  Old plug star-marked Beru.
>>
>> #6 not attempted yet.
>>
>> #1 was moving, torque wrench set at 30 Nm.  I was moving it slowly
>back
>> and forth, getting just a little movement when it let go.  Liberal
>use of
>> penetrating oil, hot engine.
>>
>> Monday I will call around to see if any local shop has the special
>tool
>> set for drilling out the broken plug.
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

[WILTON via Mercedes]

'
'Guess I've been lucky; changed glow plugs several times on my two 123's, 
124 and 126.  'Never had a problem other than tight access to them..


Wilton

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From: "Max Dillon via Mercedes" 

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Cc: "Max Dillon" 
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal



Status report.

#1 has broken.

#2 loose, threads out, carbon holding it but should come out.

#3, #4 moving a little bit.

#5 out and replaced.  Old plug star-marked Beru.

#6 not attempted yet.

#1 was moving, torque wrench set at 30 Nm.  I was moving it slowly back 
and forth, getting just a little movement when it let go.  Liberal use of 
penetrating oil, hot engine.


Monday I will call around to see if any local shop has the special tool 
set for drilling out the broken plug.



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Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Implementing plan B: remove injectors, soak the inside glow plug elements with 
penetrating oil to loosen carbon.
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'95 E300

On March 12, 2016 12:40:09 PM EST, WILTON via Mercedes  
wrote:
>'
>'Guess I've been lucky; changed glow plugs several times on my two
>123's, 
>124 and 126.  'Never had a problem other than tight access to them..
>
>Wilton
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Max Dillon via Mercedes" 
>To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>Cc: "Max Dillon" 
>Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:47 AM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal
>
>
>> Status report.
>>
>> #1 has broken.
>>
>> #2 loose, threads out, carbon holding it but should come out.
>>
>> #3, #4 moving a little bit.
>>
>> #5 out and replaced.  Old plug star-marked Beru.
>>
>> #6 not attempted yet.
>>
>> #1 was moving, torque wrench set at 30 Nm.  I was moving it slowly
>back 
>> and forth, getting just a little movement when it let go.  Liberal
>use of 
>> penetrating oil, hot engine.
>>
>> Monday I will call around to see if any local shop has the special
>tool 
>> set for drilling out the broken plug.
>>
>>
>> -- 
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>> Charleston SC
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>> '95 E300
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[MBZ] Bundt Wheels

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Interesting article on bundts:

http://www.classiccarstodayonline.com/2013/12/04/classic-mercedes-fans-15-inch-versions-of-the-original-14-inch-bundt-style-wheels-from-1969-85-are-out-there-heres-how-to-find-them/

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Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Bad report!  Bad report!

#1 plug appears to be intact.  I decided to measure the ohms and see if the
filament was broken, it measured good.  I decided to try twisting it a
little to see how badly it was broken, and now it refuses to move again.
Apparently it broke free a bit, and the big movement was misinterpreted by
me as a break.

I've got all the remaining plugs soaking in penetrating oil from both
side.  Injectors for #1, #3, #4 and #6 are out and I've filled the
pre-chambers several times each with penetrating oil.  Changing the engine
oil will sure be cheaper than paying someone to fix a broken plug, and it
was just about due anyway.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Max Dillon  wrote:

> Status report.
>
> #1 has broken.
>
> #2 loose, threads out, carbon holding it but should come out.
>
> #3, #4 moving a little bit.
>
> #5 out and replaced. Old plug star-marked Beru.
>
> #6 not attempted yet.
>
> #1 was moving, torque wrench set at 30 Nm. I was moving it slowly back and
> forth, getting just a little movement when it let go. Liberal use of
> penetrating oil, hot engine.
>
> Monday I will call around to see if any local shop has the special tool
> set for drilling out the broken plug.
>
>
>
> --
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> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
>
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Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

You are wasting your time with the oil in the 
Injector holes. On the stuck one try tightening it a bit then loose, work it 
back and forth.

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> On Mar 12, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Bad report!  Bad report!
> 
> #1 plug appears to be intact.  I decided to measure the ohms and see if the
> filament was broken, it measured good.  I decided to try twisting it a
> little to see how badly it was broken, and now it refuses to move again.
> Apparently it broke free a bit, and the big movement was misinterpreted by
> me as a break.
> 
> I've got all the remaining plugs soaking in penetrating oil from both
> side.  Injectors for #1, #3, #4 and #6 are out and I've filled the
> pre-chambers several times each with penetrating oil.  Changing the engine
> oil will sure be cheaper than paying someone to fix a broken plug, and it
> was just about due anyway.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Max Dillon  wrote:
>> 
>> Status report.
>> 
>> #1 has broken.
>> 
>> #2 loose, threads out, carbon holding it but should come out.
>> 
>> #3, #4 moving a little bit.
>> 
>> #5 out and replaced. Old plug star-marked Beru.
>> 
>> #6 not attempted yet.
>> 
>> #1 was moving, torque wrench set at 30 Nm. I was moving it slowly back and
>> forth, getting just a little movement when it let go. Liberal use of
>> penetrating oil, hot engine.
>> 
>> Monday I will call around to see if any local shop has the special tool
>> set for drilling out the broken plug.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
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>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Kaleb,

That's what I'm doing, slowly back and forth, trying to get more out than
in.  Three of them started moving and then tightened up!

Letting the remaining four soak while I eat lunch now.

The Beru literature says for a stuck plug, apply 12v for 3 minutes to heat
it up.  I tried that on one plug, but that didn't seem to help.

Any other tricks?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You are wasting your time with the oil in the
> Injector holes. On the stuck one try tightening it a bit then loose, work
> it back and forth.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 12, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Bad report!  Bad report!
> >
> > #1 plug appears to be intact.  I decided to measure the ohms and see if
> the
> > filament was broken, it measured good.  I decided to try twisting it a
> > little to see how badly it was broken, and now it refuses to move again.
> > Apparently it broke free a bit, and the big movement was misinterpreted
> by
> > me as a break.
> >
> > I've got all the remaining plugs soaking in penetrating oil from both
> > side.  Injectors for #1, #3, #4 and #6 are out and I've filled the
> > pre-chambers several times each with penetrating oil.  Changing the
> engine
> > oil will sure be cheaper than paying someone to fix a broken plug, and it
> > was just about due anyway.
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> >> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Max Dillon 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Status report.
> >>
> >> #1 has broken.
> >>
> >> #2 loose, threads out, carbon holding it but should come out.
> >>
> >> #3, #4 moving a little bit.
> >>
> >> #5 out and replaced. Old plug star-marked Beru.
> >>
> >> #6 not attempted yet.
> >>
> >> #1 was moving, torque wrench set at 30 Nm. I was moving it slowly back
> and
> >> forth, getting just a little movement when it let go. Liberal use of
> >> penetrating oil, hot engine.
> >>
> >> Monday I will call around to see if any local shop has the special tool
> >> set for drilling out the broken plug.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
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> >> Charleston SC
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> >> '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Just keep doing what your doing with the back and forth

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 12, 2016, at 1:01 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Kaleb,
> 
> That's what I'm doing, slowly back and forth, trying to get more out than
> in.  Three of them started moving and then tightened up!
> 
> Letting the remaining four soak while I eat lunch now.
> 
> The Beru literature says for a stuck plug, apply 12v for 3 minutes to heat
> it up.  I tried that on one plug, but that didn't seem to help.
> 
> Any other tricks?
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> You are wasting your time with the oil in the
>> Injector holes. On the stuck one try tightening it a bit then loose, work
>> it back and forth.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Mar 12, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Bad report!  Bad report!
>>> 
>>> #1 plug appears to be intact.  I decided to measure the ohms and see if
>> the
>>> filament was broken, it measured good.  I decided to try twisting it a
>>> little to see how badly it was broken, and now it refuses to move again.
>>> Apparently it broke free a bit, and the big movement was misinterpreted
>> by
>>> me as a break.
>>> 
>>> I've got all the remaining plugs soaking in penetrating oil from both
>>> side.  Injectors for #1, #3, #4 and #6 are out and I've filled the
>>> pre-chambers several times each with penetrating oil.  Changing the
>> engine
>>> oil will sure be cheaper than paying someone to fix a broken plug, and it
>>> was just about due anyway.
>>> 
>>> -
>>> Max
>>> Charleston SC
>>> 
 On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Max Dillon 
>> wrote:
 
 Status report.
 
 #1 has broken.
 
 #2 loose, threads out, carbon holding it but should come out.
 
 #3, #4 moving a little bit.
 
 #5 out and replaced. Old plug star-marked Beru.
 
 #6 not attempted yet.
 
 #1 was moving, torque wrench set at 30 Nm. I was moving it slowly back
>> and
 forth, getting just a little movement when it let go. Liberal use of
 penetrating oil, hot engine.
 
 Monday I will call around to see if any local shop has the special tool
 set for drilling out the broken plug.
 
 
 
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 Charleston SC
 '87 300TD
 '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Destructive testing results: two Old plugs tested for maximum torque.  One 
broke at 74 Nm, next at 81 Nm.  I've been limiting myself to 30 Nm.

Time for a tad more torque...
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Re: [MBZ] LED bulbs

[OK Don via Mercedes]

A bit of strategically placed aluminum foil would fix that, I'd think.

On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 8:12 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I’m pretty sure the W123 instrument panel lamps are the same in the W126.
>>
>
>   Directional LED's in places
> like that would work poorly, I would think.
>
>
> Raw lumens isn't enough.
>
> -- Jim
>
>


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[MBZ] It's the car poos has been wanting

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It will need a lot of martha-ing, and price needs to be a lot lower but I might 
have to pick it up and get it going.

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http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/5488147341.html

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Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 14:44:05 -0500 Max Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Destructive testing results: two Old plugs tested for maximum torque.
> One broke at 74 Nm

54.6 ft-lb


> next at 81 Nm.

59.7 ft-lb


> I've been limiting myself to 30 Nm.

22.1 ft-lb

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[MBZ] Pi day is coming!

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Monday, the day after the annual time chaos, is Pi day - and will be the
last time for 100 years that the abbreviated MDY notation will equal Pi to
four decimal points 3.1416. I think we should celebrate this special day by
eating pie at every meal - breakfast, lunch, dinner, and dessert. All forms
of pie are acceptable.

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our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] Pi day is coming!

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I'll second the motion!
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On March 12, 2016 3:27:58 PM EST, OK Don via Mercedes  
wrote:
>Monday, the day after the annual time chaos, is Pi day - and will be
>the
>last time for 100 years that the abbreviated MDY notation will equal Pi
>to
>four decimal points 3.1416. I think we should celebrate this special
>day by
>eating pie at every meal - breakfast, lunch, dinner, and dessert. All
>forms
>of pie are acceptable.
>
>-- 
>OK Don
>
>*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many
>of
>our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>
>"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
>who
>learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric
>fence
>for themselves."
>
>WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
>2013 F150, 18 mpg
>2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
>1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] LED bulbs

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’ll add that one to my list.

Got a security geek conference in Orlando all this coming week, so no time for 
tinkering.  Despite only being an hour away, I have to room there (which really 
isn’t bad, since it’s at Disney) so I won’t be tinkering for a bit.

I’m recovering from a nasty bout of a flu that’s been going around here, 
otherwise I would have replaced the power steering return lines today.  Both 
flexible lines are a bit seepy, so I got a meter of 12mm hydraulic hose to 
replace them.  Messy job, but a cheap and easy fix.  Between feeling moderately 
crappy and having to drive to Orlando tonight I didn’t want to risk screwing up 
my transportation so I put it off for the future.

Anybody got an email address for King John?  I tried the one I got and haven’t 
heard back, so I’m assuming it’s no longer valid. I don’t think he’s off on a 
junket to India or anything.  Figured I would look him up while I was in 
Mousetown.

Dan



> On Mar 12, 2016, at 3:15 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> A bit of strategically placed aluminum foil would fix that, I'd think.
> 


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Re: [MBZ] It's the car poos has been wanting

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Looks like the clearcoat is toast if it’s blue.  If that’s the case, no amount 
of Martha’ing will save it.  If it’s a single stage (040) black, I could 
recover it for sure.

I’ll give you $500 for it when you get tired of it, or I can swap you for a 
boatload of W140 parts including a couple of Beckers and a Bose amp.

Dan



> On Mar 12, 2016, at 3:26 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It will need a lot of martha-ing, and price needs to be a lot lower but I 
> might have to pick it up and get it going.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Pi day is coming!

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Time to get pi-eyed!
Fred.

Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.


From: Mercedes  on behalf of OK Don via Mercedes 

Sent: 12 March 2016 20:27
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: OK Don
Subject: [MBZ] Pi day is coming!

Monday, the day after the annual time chaos, is Pi day - and will be the
last time for 100 years that the abbreviated MDY notation will equal Pi to
four decimal points 3.1416. I think we should celebrate this special day by
eating pie at every meal - breakfast, lunch, dinner, and dessert. All forms
of pie are acceptable.

--
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[MBZ] SRS light now on after start

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Today I went all Martha on my 98 e300. It looks great.  Yesterday, the SRS
light would come on at start, and then go off like it should. Post
Marthaing,  it comes on at start, goes out for about 5 seconds, then comes
back on. Any ideas?

Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Using a torque limit of 45 Nm, two more are done.  Only  #3, #5 remain.  

#3 is blocked by the aneroid capsule on top of the injection pump.  The Hazet 
swivel socket has allowed me to get that one working back and forth a bit.

#5 is blocked by the oil filter housing, same location as an OM603 engine.  I 
haven't attempted that one yet.
-- 
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On March 12, 2016 3:27:49 PM EST, Craig via Mercedes  
wrote:
>On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 14:44:05 -0500 Max Dillon via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>> Destructive testing results: two Old plugs tested for maximum torque.
>> One broke at 74 Nm
>
>54.6 ft-lb
>
>
>> next at 81 Nm.
>
>59.7 ft-lb
>
>
>> I've been limiting myself to 30 Nm.
>
>22.1 ft-lb
>
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Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Let me see if I have this right:  The old 61x iron heads develop many cracks
but they still function OK and the glow plugs come out in one piece.  The
new, improved 60x aluminum heads have fewer cracks but those cracks are
fatal and the glow plugs may be terminally stuck.  Is that right?

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of M.
> Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes
> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 12:11 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: M. Mitchell Marmel 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal
> 
> (shudders at nightmare scene)
> 
> I changed glowplugs on my 220D once.  Piece of cake.  Took me longer to
> figure out the wiring for the new pencil-type plugs than it did to R&R
'em...
> 
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > Status report.
> >
> > #1 has broken.
> >
> > #2 loose, threads out, carbon holding it but should come out.
> >
> > #3, #4 moving a little bit.
> >
> > #5 out and replaced.  Old plug star-marked Beru.
> >
> > #6 not attempted yet.
> >
> > #1 was moving, torque wrench set at 30 Nm.  I was moving it slowly
> > back and forth, getting just a little movement when it let go.
> > Liberal use of penetrating oil, hot engine.
> >
> > Monday I will call around to see if any local shop has the special
> > tool set for drilling out the broken plug.
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Correction to below, should be #6 vice #5.  #3 & #6 are now threaded all the 
way out, but still sticking in the bore due to carbon.

#6 has been the easiest so far.
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'95 E300

On March 12, 2016 4:45:28 PM EST, Max Dillon  wrote:
>Using a torque limit of 45 Nm, two more are done.  Only  #3, #5 remain.
> 
>
>#3 is blocked by the aneroid capsule on top of the injection pump.  The
>Hazet swivel socket has allowed me to get that one working back and
>forth a bit.
>
>#5 is blocked by the oil filter housing, same location as an OM603
>engine.  I haven't attempted that one yet.
>-- 
>Max Dillon
>Charleston SC
>'87 300TD
>'95 E300
>
>On March 12, 2016 3:27:49 PM EST, Craig via Mercedes
> wrote:
>>On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 14:44:05 -0500 Max Dillon via Mercedes
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Destructive testing results: two Old plugs tested for maximum
>torque.
>>> One broke at 74 Nm
>>
>>54.6 ft-lb
>>
>>
>>> next at 81 Nm.
>>
>>59.7 ft-lb
>>
>>
>>> I've been limiting myself to 30 Nm.
>>
>>22.1 ft-lb
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Bundt Wheels

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Who would want a 15" "bundt" wheel?

On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 1:04 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> Interesting article on bundts:
>
>
> http://www.classiccarstodayonline.com/2013/12/04/classic-mercedes-fans-15-inch-versions-of-the-original-14-inch-bundt-style-wheels-from-1969-85-are-out-there-heres-how-to-find-them/
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Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Just got my shipment of Kroil.  Made me think of what you’re going through.

What have you been putting on them to loosen things up?


Dan

> On Mar 12, 2016, at 5:48 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Correction to below, should be #6 vice #5.  #3 & #6 are now threaded all the 
> way out, but still sticking in the bore due to carbon.
> 
> #6 has been the easiest so far.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
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> '95 E300
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Bundt Wheels

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Lots of people.  They’re rare as hen’s teeth for the most part.  Put a set of 
15” bundts or steelies on a W123 and W126 and they drive like a totally 
different car.

Dan


> On Mar 12, 2016, at 5:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Who would want a 15" "bundt" wheel?
> 
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 1:04 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> Interesting article on bundts:
> 
> http://www.classiccarstodayonline.com/2013/12/04/classic-mercedes-fans-15-inch-versions-of-the-original-14-inch-bundt-style-wheels-from-1969-85-are-out-there-heres-how-to-find-them/
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Re: [MBZ] It's the car poos has been wanting

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

What sort of Beckers do you have to swap, Dan?

On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 3:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Looks like the clearcoat is toast if it’s blue.  If that’s the case, no
> amount of Martha’ing will save it.  If it’s a single stage (040) black, I
> could recover it for sure.
>
> I’ll give you $500 for it when you get tired of it, or I can swap you for
> a boatload of W140 parts including a couple of Beckers and a Bose amp.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> > On Mar 12, 2016, at 3:26 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > It will need a lot of martha-ing, and price needs to be a lot lower but
> I might have to pick it up and get it going.
> >
> > 1991 Mercedes 300 Sel
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> >
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Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

PB Blaster.  My Kroil shipment has yet to arrive.
-- 
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'95 E300

On March 12, 2016 5:52:32 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Just got my shipment of Kroil.  Made me think of what you’re going
>through.
>
>What have you been putting on them to loosen things up?
>
>
>Dan
>
>> On Mar 12, 2016, at 5:48 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> Correction to below, should be #6 vice #5.  #3 & #6 are now threaded
>all the way out, but still sticking in the bore due to carbon.
>> 
>> #6 has been the easiest so far.
>> -- 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
>> 
>
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Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

No, the OM606 heads are pretty bullet-proof.  Glow plugs are the only weakness.

I've been working on these for about eight hours now.  Patience is the key, 
combined with knowledge and a gentle touch.  None broken, 4 of 6 replaced, last 
two are threads out but stuck in the bore.  Turn, pull, apply penetrating oil, 
repeat until they are worked out of the head.  Ream out the carbon, slather new 
plug with anti-seize, install.

Next time, the job will be far easier!
-- 
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On March 12, 2016 5:25:52 PM EST, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Let me see if I have this right:  The old 61x iron heads develop many
>cracks
>but they still function OK and the glow plugs come out in one piece. 
>The
>new, improved 60x aluminum heads have fewer cracks but those cracks are
>fatal and the glow plugs may be terminally stuck.  Is that right?
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of M.
>> Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes
>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 12:11 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: M. Mitchell Marmel 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal
>> 
>> (shudders at nightmare scene)
>> 
>> I changed glowplugs on my 220D once.  Piece of cake.  Took me longer
>to
>> figure out the wiring for the new pencil-type plugs than it did to
>R&R
>'em...
>> 
>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > Status report.
>> >
>> > #1 has broken.
>> >
>> > #2 loose, threads out, carbon holding it but should come out.
>> >
>> > #3, #4 moving a little bit.
>> >
>> > #5 out and replaced.  Old plug star-marked Beru.
>> >
>> > #6 not attempted yet.
>> >
>> > #1 was moving, torque wrench set at 30 Nm.  I was moving it slowly
>> > back and forth, getting just a little movement when it let go.
>> > Liberal use of penetrating oil, hot engine.
>> >
>> > Monday I will call around to see if any local shop has the special
>> > tool set for drilling out the broken plug.
>> >
>> >
>> > --
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>> > Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Bundt Wheels

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Not I.

Wilton

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Cc: "Andrew Strasfogel" ; "Dan Penoff" 


Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bundt Wheels



Who would want a 15" "bundt" wheel?

On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 1:04 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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Interesting article on bundts:


http://www.classiccarstodayonline.com/2013/12/04/classic-mercedes-fans-15-inch-versions-of-the-original-14-inch-bundt-style-wheels-from-1969-85-are-out-there-heres-how-to-find-them/

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[MBZ] Trailer

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Well new axle, brakes, and wheels installed. Going to install my new HF winch 
on it tomorrow.




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Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Done.  

Injectors still out, intake manifold off.  I'm going to send the injectors to a 
guy to be rebuilt with new nozzles, while I wait for some new parts.  Crank 
case ventilation rubber bits were too brittle and broke, a few plastic fuel 
line clips also broke, so I've got to order some parts.
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[MBZ] Tire recommendations 2011 c300 4matic

[Robert Koziak via Mercedes]

My daughter's recently purchased 2011 C300 4matic (Sport Model)  45K needs tire 
replacement.  Recommendations would be appreciated.  


Also the front and rear tires have different sizes...how do you rotate the 
tires?


Thanks,


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[MBZ] Maybe I get a 123 again?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

One of my dealers texted me about a 81 300D that has 79 k miles and he says 
it's the nicest one he has seen in a long long time. They are getting ready to 
trade for it and he says $2500 but if it's really nice I may try to get him 
down a bit. For some reason I did like the 81 last year for non turbo 300d.

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Re: [MBZ] Tire recommendations 2011 c300 4matic

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

TireRack.com

Start there, read the comparison tests and reviews to help decide what you 
like.  Then shop around online.
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'87 300TD
'95 E300

On March 12, 2016 8:28:29 PM EST, Robert Koziak via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>My daughter's recently purchased 2011 C300 4matic (Sport Model)  45K
>needs tire replacement.  Recommendations would be appreciated.  
>
>
>Also the front and rear tires have different sizes...how do you
>rotate the tires?
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>Bob K
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Re: [MBZ] Bundt Wheels

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

I'll be happy to take a set off anyone's hand who doesn't see the need for
them!

Jaime
-sees the need for them

On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 5:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> Who would want a 15" "bundt" wheel?
>
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 1:04 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Interesting article on bundts:
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.classiccarstodayonline.com/2013/12/04/classic-mercedes-fans-15-inch-versions-of-the-original-14-inch-bundt-style-wheels-from-1969-85-are-out-there-heres-how-to-find-them/
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Re: [MBZ] Spit Polish my Valve Covers

[clay via Mercedes]

I was not impressed with my work yesterday, so I took some 400 and 600 grit to 
the covers, and then gave it #0 steel wool until the carpool tunnel acted up.  
I am resting my ow for a while before I get some 00 then 000.

clay

On Mar 12, 2016, at 3:31 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote:

> I go at them with ATF and  steel wool.  They come out great.
> 
> 
> 
> On Friday, March 11, 2016, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
>> Not really.  I picked up a set at PnP the other day.  That, the switches,
>> and a wire harness/ECU.  I am thinking I would use the harness as a
>> template for my own wire rebuild one day.
>> 
>> The valve covers off a M17 1973 were oxidized, and the insides were
>> nasty.  Encrusted with burnt brownie sludge that all manner of solvents
>> were finally able to remove.  With the help of a putty knife and wire brush
>> that came clean.
>> 
>> Today I worked on the exterior.  Gave it a scrub with green scratch pad.
>> Then hit is with 4000, then 5000 grit wet sand paper.  The crusty came off
>> enough, but still some crud.  I draped the covers in paper towel and did a
>> phosphoric acid soak.  Pepsi stood in for real acid and the covers napped
>> under damp towel until it began to rain.  I pulled the towel off and took
>> the covers inside and dried with newspaper.
>> 
>> I will have to hit HF to find buffing and polishing wheels and compound.
>> I have no idea how long this job will take.
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] e: Harbor Freight

[clay via Mercedes]

I am going ahead with the 22mm lug arm and welding it to a 0.6 meter bar of 
steel

clay


On Mar 12, 2016, at 4:27 AM, MG via Mercedes wrote:

> Did that with the first steering wheel I tried to take off. Beat the snot out 
> of it and didn't get anywhere. Luckily I didn't break the ratchet either, old 
> Craftsman.
> 
> Went to HF and bought their 2' long 12" breaker bar. That thing rocks. Popped 
> the nut loose slicker then goose grease.
> 
> Manfred
> 
> 
>> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 06:22:52 -0800
>> From: Jim Cathey 
> 
>>> While attempting to remove the 22mm nut on the steering wheel on a PnP SL 
>>> my ratchet died.
>> For those I use a 5# sledge and my 1/2" Snap-on ratchet.
>> (A friend found it in her shed, broken, and gave it to me.
>> The hardest part was chasing down a truck!  The lifetime
>> warrantee was nice.)
>> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] LED bulbs

[clay via Mercedes]

The Radio Shack used to carry some 12v large LED lamps.  I bet these would fit 
fine in the cluster lamp holes and give omni directional light.  You would need 
to fake up your own wire system maybe

clay

On Mar 12, 2016, at 6:12 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

>> I’m pretty sure the W123 instrument panel lamps are the same in the W126.
> 
> The lamps might be the same, but the illumination isn't.
> IIRC, the 123 lamps are large-ish, and many of the others
> are small.  Some of the small ones are out on stalks near
> the face, and rely upon the omnidirectional light pattern
> of an incandescent filament in order to throw adequate
> light to the gauge faces.  Directional LED's in places
> like that would work poorly, I would think.
> 
> The 123 lamps face light pipes, so a directional lamp,
> _if aimed correctly_, would actually be superior there.
> 
> Raw lumens isn't enough.
> 
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[MBZ] If you see a screw - DO NOT TOUCH IT!

[clay via Mercedes]

We had a club event at a local shop.  The owner gave a presentation on fuel 
injection and ACC in the current classic cars (1970-1990).  Most of the stuff 
was about Bosch (when Bosch was good) There are a plethora of items in the 
injection system that have screws that tempt owners to do stupid things that 
render the cars undrivable.   He pointed out the many places that fuel 
distributors, electronics and such have screws that get twisted by idiots 
thinking they can improve the very overly engineered and incredibly 
specifically set parameters that would require a test bench to correct.  The 
take away was that if you put a tool to these things you may need to pay many 
thousands of dollars to put it right.

The ACC was less screw driver prone.  Most of the issues are related to limited 
longevity and the parts not being available anymore.  There is a need for these 
orphan products to once more be available and we need to make a concerted and 
widespread effort to do interweb searches for the parts by number and such so 
that the fabricators take notice of a growing demand.  

Somebody can make a very good living if they were to concoct a vacuum pump 
rebuild kit for the classic diesels.  The kits are NLA and this is sidelining a 
great number of cars.  There was also mention of Beckman being a very worthy 
rebuilder of electronics.  The opinion of the presenter was that the 
replacement parts were superior to OE parts, and probably more available.  The 
C series seemed to have had an ignition module that was a massive failure and 
the factory went bankrupt, leaving car owners mad and dealers stripping the 
parts from floor models to keep the other cars on the road.





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Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal

[clay via Mercedes]

Terminal stuck is a matter of cash and opinion.  The GP gets stuck, the head 
comes off, the threads are re-tapped, and you can put fresh GPs in.  The older 
engines did get PG stuck regularly.  One of the items of discussion at the club 
tech event today.  The heads do not need to be removed to clear the GP.  
Destruction of the GP is standard.  The carbon builds a ring on the end so it 
is a coked up plug.  AS long as only one GP is messed up, you can run the 
engine and put stress upon it so that the plug is blasted out of the head.

clay


On Mar 12, 2016, at 2:25 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:

> Let me see if I have this right:  The old 61x iron heads develop many cracks
> but they still function OK and the glow plugs come out in one piece.  The
> new, improved 60x aluminum heads have fewer cracks but those cracks are
> fatal and the glow plugs may be terminally stuck.  Is that right?
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of M.
>> Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes
>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 12:11 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: M. Mitchell Marmel 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM606 glow plug renewal
>> 
>> (shudders at nightmare scene)
>> 
>> I changed glowplugs on my 220D once.  Piece of cake.  Took me longer to
>> figure out the wiring for the new pencil-type plugs than it did to R&R
> 'em...
>> 
>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Status report.
>>> 
>>> #1 has broken.
>>> 
>>> #2 loose, threads out, carbon holding it but should come out.
>>> 
>>> #3, #4 moving a little bit.
>>> 
>>> #5 out and replaced.  Old plug star-marked Beru.
>>> 
>>> #6 not attempted yet.
>>> 
>>> #1 was moving, torque wrench set at 30 Nm.  I was moving it slowly
>>> back and forth, getting just a little movement when it let go.
>>> Liberal use of penetrating oil, hot engine.
>>> 
>>> Monday I will call around to see if any local shop has the special
>>> tool set for drilling out the broken plug.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Bundt Wheels

[clay via Mercedes]

People who own classic cars with 14" rims who wants to be able to mount tires 
that are larger than current trailer tires and more modern.  Try to find a V 
rated 14 inch tire to fit a SL.  Vredstein or Coker make them, but you pay 
anywhere from $250-500 per wheel.  A 15 inch tire will be in the $99 range.

clay

On Mar 12, 2016, at 2:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

> Who would want a 15" "bundt" wheel?
> 
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 1:04 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Interesting article on bundts:
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.classiccarstodayonline.com/2013/12/04/classic-mercedes-fans-15-inch-versions-of-the-original-14-inch-bundt-style-wheels-from-1969-85-are-out-there-heres-how-to-find-them/
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[MBZ] Anybody in the Market for an early R107?

[clay via Mercedes]

I am helping my indy pass two R107 along.  Posted them on CL and getting some 
flaky offers.  Dudes want to trade stuff the seller just does not want or need. 
Boats, bikes, cars, trucks, ATV, no planes yet.

The 1974 is a sweet ride.  If I did not already have an SL in good condition I 
would seriously have this one in the running.  Would have been no question when 
I was car shopping.  SWMBA may have even gone along, seeing how the car is in 
such good condition and fresh from the shop.  I am dropping the asking price by 
$50 each week until the sellers floor gets hit  by Mother's day.   
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/5478007142.html

The other car has actually had more serious interest.  Blue on blue 77 that is 
a real project car.  It was running but had intermittent smoke issue.  For the 
buyer with half a clue and willing to do the work, this would be a killer deal. 
 This would be perfect for Cathey or Poos who could make this look and run far 
better than it looks now.  Elbow grease would double the value of the car over 
a summer of Martha and Microwave metal.  As Jim said, he has had the most fun 
with his under $2k SL cars.
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/5481031183.html

Next week I will be out with a wash bucket and stuff to pretty them up.

PLEASE, somebody make reasonable offers and take these home.

clay
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Re: [MBZ] LED bulbs

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Dan asks:

>‎Anybody got an email address for >King John?

I *think* he is on the Mercedes Veterans group, on FB. I do know he is friends 
with Regina, so you can look him up on FB. ‎Or you can try Banned. He is still 
on there, yes?

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] Maybe I get a 123 again?

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

Good car, servo-lacking type II ACC system, I'd be all over that car at $2500, 
especially with the low miles!!!

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 

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> On Mar 12, 2016, at 5:32 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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> 
> One of my dealers texted me about a 81 300D that has 79 k miles and he says 
> it's the nicest one he has seen in a long long time. They are getting ready 
> to trade for it and he says $2500 but if it's really nice I may try to get 
> him down a bit. For some reason I did like the 81 last year for non turbo 
> 300d.
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Re: [MBZ] Maybe I get a 123 again?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Well I will probably take a look at it Monday.

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> On Mar 12, 2016, at 10:09 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes 
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> Good car, servo-lacking type II ACC system, I'd be all over that car at 
> $2500, especially with the low miles!!!
> 
> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 
> 
> Sent from my cell   
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>> On Mar 12, 2016, at 5:32 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> One of my dealers texted me about a 81 300D that has 79 k miles and he says 
>> it's the nicest one he has seen in a long long time. They are getting ready 
>> to trade for it and he says $2500 but if it's really nice I may try to get 
>> him down a bit. For some reason I did like the 81 last year for non turbo 
>> 300d.
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