date:20160919


All major diesel car brands in Europe are selling vehicles that do not comply 
with air-pollution limits. The study shows Germany’s Volkswagen produces some 
of the cleanest cars.
According to the report which comes in the wake of Volkswagen ‘Dieselgate’ 
scandal, there are 29 million 'dirty' diesel cars and vans driving on Europe's 
roads today, and that number is growing. The report classifies a car as ‘dirty’ 
if emissions are more than three times the relevant NOx (Nitrogen oxides) limit.

“One year after the US caught Volkswagen cheating; all carmakers keep selling 
grossly polluting diesel cars with the connivance of European governments... 
Only a recall of all harmful diesel cars will clean up our air and restore 
credibility in Europe’s legal system,” said Greg Archer, clean vehicles 
director at T&E.

The researchers analyzed emissions test data from around 230 diesel car models. 
They found that Fiat and Suzuki diesel cars on average pollute 15 times more 
than the legal NOx limit while Renault-Nissan vehicles exceed the limit more 
than 14 times. General Motors’ brands Opel-Vauxhall emissions were found to be 
ten times higher than permitted levels.

The report revealed that under the new European exhaust emissions standard 
called Euro 6 rules, German manufacturer Volkswagen was selling among the 
cleanest diesel vehicles.

T&A, however, said that the better performance of Volkswagen Euro 6 cars had 
nothing to do with Dieselgate, but with better technology choices made before 
the scandal erupted.

“Volkswagen is not the carmaker producing the diesel cars with highest nitrogen 
oxides emissions and the failure to investigate other companies brings disgrace 
on the European regulatory system,” says Greg Archer. 

www.transportenvironment.org

 

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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

2016-09-19 Thread clay via Mercedes

I am torn on tossing synth into the SDL.  When I used M1 in Gump, the first 
three changes did not seem to have much impact.  The fourth change (15k miles) 
everything was running much smoother and quieter.  Lots of the kruft that had 
taken up residence in the engine seemed to have been washed away by the M1.  
Maybe I see if I get the same impact with this car.  But I am only going to be 
putting 1k on the clock annually.  Would be a huge waste of cash using M1 for 
that short a driving period.

clay

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 1:05 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I would add to this that the 3K oil change is more important to a diesel than 
> a gas engine. When I changed my diesels at 3K, I felt good about getting all 
> the dirt and soot out of the engine. So, while it might be marketing, it was 
> worth it to me. And the engines are still going strong after many years and 
> many miles. 
> Best Wishes, 
> Roger 
> Roger Hale 
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Re: [MBZ] Strange effect

2016-09-19 Thread clay via Mercedes

That is a pretty good idea.  I installed a set of those for my mother in her 
garage.  She has a work bench and wanted some light.  I forgot that I have tube 
lights in my basement that take forever to fire up.  The LED would be a much 
enjoyed upgrade.

clay

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:19 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I bought some of the LED "shop lights" from Costco a few weeks back and put 
> them in the garage.  Those things put out some really good light, maybe more 
> than the tubes, were like $25 each, come on immediately, are in a format just 
> like the 4ft tube fixtures. They weigh nothing so easy to hang.  I might get 
> some more to replace the tube fixtures I have in there.
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
> On 9/19/16 10:54 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> I have a similar problem with a 2 bulb unit in our kitchen, in our case I 
>> think its the bulbs since they came with the house when we bought it 10 
>> years ago. My plan is to replace them with LEDs but since we almost never 
>> use the big fluorescent fixture I'm also thinking I might replace the whole 
>> thing with a much smaller fixture and move the big fixture into the 
>> basement. I'd still replace the tubes with LED tubes though...
>> -Curt
>> 
>>   From: archer75--- via Mercedes 
>>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: "arche...@embarqmail.com" 
>>  Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:42 AM
>>  Subject: [MBZ] Strange effect
>>2 years ago I replaced he transformers in the four tube light assembly 
>> over the sink. The last few weeks sometimes one, sometimes two of the bulbs 
>> on the same shared transformer didn't come on until I twisted one of them in 
>> its sockets.
>> Yesterday I found that just touching the glass in the middle of the tube was 
>> all that was needed to make it come on. I've done that repeatedly and every 
>> time the tube(s) light up as bright as usual.
>> The only thing I can think of is some sort of capacitance effect that lets 
>> weak voltage/amperage from the dying transformer ionize enough of the gas to 
>> complete the circuit.
>> The primary cause is probably the Chinese transformer from Home Depot since 
>> neither of the new bulbs is affected.
>> Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] Costco light fixtures Was:Strange effect

>
> I don't generally like the very cool light, but these things at 4kK are
> not bad at all in the shop and feel very natural, unlike the more harsh
> fluorescent light which I think has more blue in it.


Be aware that all white LED's are _also_ fluorescent.  The ultraviolet that
excites the phosphors comes via LED, rather than from a mercury vapor
discharge, but that's the only real difference.  So, they can do anything
they want with the phosphor mix, just like with tubes.

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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

>
> The low-pressure spec on OM61x is 0.5 bar; I don't know what it is on M119.


Me either.  But it's also 0.5 bar on M116/M117.

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Re: [MBZ] Strange effect

>
> I think so too. I barely touch the tube and it comes on. I'd like to hear
> an EE's or physicists explanation of the electronics involved.


Electric fields.  Fluorescent tubes are basically insulators when cold, one
of the jobs of the ballast/starter system is to induce a very high voltage,
enough to start a trickle of current running.  This 'primes the pump', so
to speak, and the conductance of the tube goes up in a runaway cascade
after that.  The other job of the ballast is to current-limit the bulb so
it doesn't burn up.  (Basically lowers the voltage until the current
through the bulb is the rated value.)

Anyway, it all starts with a high-voltage tickle.  Touching it halfway
along gives it a place to start conducting, and/or applies a static charge
that helps get things rolling.  Or so I believe in this case.

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Re: [MBZ] What if?

That is a desirable conclusion, but what are the steps from today until 
AhalluggH.


And who will have the guts to take those steps?


G Mann via Mercedes 
September 20, 2016 at 12:24 AM
As far as I know.. Rope only comes in one size. "One size fits all"..

Saddam Hussian's last words said it best ...
AhalluggH



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Re: [MBZ] What if?

2016-09-19 Thread G Mann via Mercedes

As far as I know.. Rope only comes in one size. "One size fits all"..

Saddam Hussian's last words said it best ...
AhalluggH

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> What if a Merkun was donating millions of dollars to support ter rorism by
> the re ligion of peice?   What would be done?  What would be an
> appropriate  consequence?
>
> What if the recipient was the "pipples republic" north of i raq?
>
> What if the mystery donor was a koch brother?   Would that change anything?
>
> What if the mystery donor was a sor os?  Would that change anything?
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What if a Merkun was donating millions of dollars to support ter rorism 
by the re ligion of peice?   What would be done?  What would be an 
appropriate  consequence?


What if the recipient was the "pipples republic" north of i raq?

What if the mystery donor was a koch brother?   Would that change anything?

What if the mystery donor was a sor os?  Would that change anything?

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Re: [MBZ] Strange effect

Humidity in air conditioned house is 56 percent. I cleaned the tubes and 
tombstones with Deoxit, and I barely touch the glass. Also, it does it on both 
tubes. Mechanical/corroded contacts was my first thought too.
Gerry 

Curley McLain wrote:
> You like in a humid climate.  In HI, I spent a lot of time polishing the 
> contacts on fluorescent fixtures.  Here, I have had to polish the 
> contacts for the starters on the 15W tube lights.   I suspect touching 
> the bulb moves it enough to make contact at the ends.  in daily use, the 
> oxidation does not get as thick, s a small bump can do it.
> 
> > archer75--- via Mercedes 
> > September 19, 2016 at 9:42 AM
> > 2 years ago I replaced he transformers in the four tube light assembly 
> > over the sink. The last few weeks sometimes one, sometimes two of the 
> > bulbs on the same shared transformer didn't come on until I twisted 
> > one of them in its sockets.
> > Yesterday I found that just touching the glass in the middle of the 
> > tube was all that was needed to make it come on. I've done that 
> > repeatedly and every time the tube(s) light up as bright as usual.
> > The only thing I can think of is some sort of capacitance effect that 
> > lets weak voltage/amperage from the dying transformer ionize enough of 
> > the gas to complete the circuit.
> > The primary cause is probably the Chinese transformer from Home Depot 
> > since neither of the new bulbs is affected.
> > Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] Strange effect

I think so too. I barely touch the tube and it comes on. I'd like to hear an 
EE's or physicists explanation of the electronics involved.
Gerry

> It's an easy test, use an insulator to poke it next time.  A glass?
> 
> My money's on an electrical effect, not mechanical.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Question for the Martha S of laundry

2016-09-19 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

Is that because of oversudsing or something else?
On Sep 19, 2016 2:10 PM, "Dimitri via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Do not use non he rated detergent in an he machine. My brother had some
> tenants do that in a new he machine and he had to replace the machine in
> less than 6 months!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Sep 18, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> >
> > We have a stacked Kenmore HE2 washer dryer.  Someone gifted us half a tub
> > of Kirkland powdered detergent - industrial strength but not HE rated.
> >
> > http://harrisburgstore.com/kirkland-laundry-detergent-
> super-concentrate-powder-kirkland-laundry-soap/?gclid=
> CJ-RufmBms8CFYckhgodSacDfQ
> >
> > My thinking is that I would be OK to use small measures of the Kirkland
> > because there is nothing intrinsically different about HE certified soap
> > other than its low sudsing characteristics.  Any thoughts?
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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

2016-09-19 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Mon, 19 Sep 2016 10:56:13 -0400 Dan--- via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I understand, since it's a synthetic I'm sure it flows far better in
> cold temps than a conventional oil.
> 
> In the higher mileage M119s I've had I run 15W-50 M1 and change every
> 7500, maybe 10k in the older son's car, since his mileage is almost all
> highway. The only reason for using the higher viscosity oil is to keep
> idle pressures up in high temperatures. In both M119s with over 275k
> the idle pressure drops perilously close to 1.0 bar during the hottest
> times of the year with everything turned on.  If I use the 15W-50 idle
> pressures are more like 1.5 bar under similar conditions.

The low-pressure spec on OM61x is 0.5 bar; I don't know what it is on
M119.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Curing paint on small painted objects

2016-09-19 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Mon, 19 Sep 2016 22:05:18 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Does that mean that you got the LCA changed on the 240D 3.0?

Unfortunately, no.


> > Craig via Mercedes 
> > September 19, 2016 at 10:02 PM
> > On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 13:57:12 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> >
> > My piece is about 30" long, so it would not fit in a toaster oven.
> >
> > The dash, however, was more than enough.

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Does that mean that you got the LCA changed on the 240D 3.0?



Craig via Mercedes 
September 19, 2016 at 10:02 PM
On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 13:57:12 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes

My piece is about 30" long, so it would not fit in a toaster oven.

The dash, however, was more than enough.


Craig


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Re: [MBZ] Curing paint on small painted objects

2016-09-19 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 13:57:12 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Thats what a lot of the Coleman guys do. Some keep a special toaster
> oven just for the job.

My piece is about 30" long, so it would not fit in a toaster oven.

The dash, however, was more than enough.


Craig

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[MBZ] Maynerd's Was: Costco light fixtures Was:Strange effect



Given a choice between buying stuff at home despot, lows or maynerds, I 
would still choose maynerds.  If the founder of maynerds is an 
egotistical jerk, he is right there with Dead sam the walton without a 
mountain.  Whoever runs lows and home despot are likely to be just as 
much of a maniac.


When I added on to the house, I bought from the local lumberyard.   When 
I built my house (different one)  I got what I could from the local 
yard, and the rest came from a small chain of lumberyards.   I have to 
go 30+ miles to get to a maynerds, so they don't get much money from 
me.  Lows is about 5 miles or so.  We don't have amy good hardware 
stores, so most of the hardware store stuff has to come from lows.


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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

2016-09-19 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes

Dan,
I run 15w-50 on my OM 602 year round. Starts fine but since I drive 70
miles commute I like the 50. 5w-40 diesel is NLA  here.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI

On Sep 19, 2016 10:14 AM, "Dan--- via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Curt,
>
> Do you have that backwards? I can't imagine running 15W-50 in the winter
> in your neck of the woods. It would be like molasses, I would think.
>
> I currently run Delo 15W-40 in the SDL with 3000 mile changes. I believe
> strongly in the interval more than the oil, so it doesn't make a lot of
> sense to use something like M1 in the car with that short of an interval.
>
> A 2-1/2 gallon jug is around $26 at Wallyworld. Add $10 for a filter and
> an oil change costs me roughly $30. I will probably change oil 2-3 times
> this year.
>
> Dan
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:49 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Why so hot for 20-50? I ran 15w40 in my 240Ds all summer and switched to
> 15w50 M1 in the winter for easier cold starts.
> > In a 60x engine you can do synthetic and change the oil less often but
> IIRC you don't drive that much. If I ran conventional oil back when I used
> to commute all the time I'd have had to change the oil every other month...
> > -Curt
> >
> >  From: clay via Mercedes 
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Cc: clay 
> > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 11:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry
> >
> > I had the oil debate over Polei.  I figured that all the extra pennies
> for full synth would not be economical in the SDL, and standard diesel oil
> would be fine.  The 20-50 is like hen’s teeth now.  FLAPS guy said the call
> for something that thick is waning.  Used only in diesels.  My response was
> of the DUH! sort, as I was purchasing Diesel oil at the time and wanted to
> know if the 20-40 was going to be good enough
> >
> > clay
> >
> >
> >> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I would also be curious about comparing to Delo full synthetic which is
> what I have been using in the 606
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
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> >>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:23 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Larry,
> >>>
> >>> do you have any info or insight on how the valvoline full synthretic
> compares to M1?  I am curious if the base stocks are similar, and if the
> performance is similar.  I think I will use the Valvoline in the Merkun
> engines, but after the bad experience with castrol so-called synthetic, I
> am not sure I want to try  it in an OM603.  My 616s get so few miles that I
> leave them  on Mobil Dino oil.
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> >>> uhOh!  Nuther oel thread
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Re: [MBZ] Costco light fixtures Was:Strange effect

Dude, I wouldn’t go near or touch anything that John Menard is involved with.  
That guy is a total psychopath.  We learned this when we lived in Wisconsin 
back in the late 80s and a neighbor was a local store manager. The stories that 
guy told us were nothing short of frightening.  It wasn’t until some years 
later we realized it was all true.

Read this for grins and giggles:

http://urbanmilwaukee.com/2013/06/20/murphys-law-the-strange-life-of-john-menard/

Dan who doesn’t save big money at Menards

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> wrote:
> 
> Found a 50W, 4200 lumen locally for $33.
> www.menards.com/main/maintenance-repair-operations/lighting-electrical/lighting/fluorescent-commercial-lights/smart-electrician-trade-48-4-200-lm-white-led-shop-light/p-138333183-c-7495.htm
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Re: [MBZ] Costco light fixtures Was:Strange effect

Found a 50W, 4200 lumen locally for $33.
www.menards.com/main/maintenance-repair-operations/lighting-electrical/lighting/fluorescent-commercial-lights/smart-electrician-trade-48-4-200-lm-white-led-shop-light/p-138333183-c-7495.htm

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Re: [MBZ] Costco light fixtures Was:Strange effect

That makes sense.

Here’s a good article on Costco’s pricing codes and things like that:

https://toughnickel.com/frugal-living/Secret-Codes-Will-Save-You-Money-At-Costco

Also be aware that in many cases the stuff that they’re closing out will be in 
back or against exterior walls.  The $0.97 ending is also a giveaway.

Dan



> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:41 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Oops!  I thought it was a 2 pack.  It appears to be only one.
> 
> The bay of fleas has a 2 pack.  (more $ than costy, but less than mama zon.
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-LED-Linkable-Shop-Light-w-Pull-Chain-2-pack-Feit-Electric-42W-50-000-Hours-/131570566906
> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> September 19, 2016 at 8:21 PM
>> Is that right? That link goes to what you describe, but I’m seeing $50 for 
>> the thing?
>> 
>> Dan
>> 

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Re: [MBZ] Costco light fixtures Was:Strange effect

Oops! I thought it was a 2 pack. It appears to be only one.

The bay of fleas has a 2 pack. (more $ than costy, but less than mama zon.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-LED-Linkable-Shop-Light-w-Pull-Chain-2-pack-Feit-Electric-42W-50-000-Hours-/131570566906

Dan Penoff via Mercedes
September 19, 2016 at 8:21 PM
Is that right? That link goes to what you describe, but I’m seeing $50
for the thing?

Dan

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Curley McLain
September 19, 2016 at 7:38 PM
THanks! that was enough that I could find them elsewhere. I have not
seen ones like that! I like em!

Here is the mamazon listing. $25.50 each, delivered to your or my
hacienda, so long as you are already getting ripped for prime.

https://www.amazon.com/Feit-917972-Electric-Utility-Light/dp/B00LFAY5SM

Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
September 19, 2016 at 5:04 PM
They had a coupla pallets full at the store when I bought mine, but
like most Costco stuff that is not a staple they get stuff in, it
sells out, they might or might not get more in at some point. So stuff
like that you have to buy when they have it.

I wanted to get a patio/deck set. They had a couple at the store. By
the time management decided that set was preferred, they had no more.
I ask the guy to order one as they had them on the web site, he said
they couldn't do that, they got whatever corporate decided to put on
the truck on Mondays and Thursdays, they would know the day before,
when the truck was loaded, what was coming. OK I say, call me when
one is on the truck, or I'll pay for one now, for whenever one shows
up. No can do. Ultimately some did show up, I called to find out if
they had them, they did, so I went and got the set. They don't seem
big on that kind of customer service.

But to answer your question, you need to be blessed to get in the
store or buy stuff on the web site.

Here they are, more $ than at the store, which is how stuff often is
(the deck set was like $300 more on the web site than in the store)

http://www.costco.com/4%e2%80%99-Linkable-LED-Shop-Light-with-Pull-Chain-2-pack.product.100284402.html

--FT

Curley McLain
September 19, 2016 at 4:26 PM
Can anyone find a link for those Costco $25 shop light fixtures?
Nothing turned up o n my search, but maybe they don't call them shop
lights. Or better yet, another source.

Does costco allow internet sales to mere mortals or do you need to be
among the "blessed to enter? Makes no sence to pay $60 or $100
"membership" to buy $100 worth of lights.

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Re: [MBZ] Costco light fixtures Was:Strange effect

The Costco link is $56 for 2, the amazing link looks to be for 1?  But 
the ones I got at Costco store are the Feits like the amazing link.


I don't generally like the very cool light, but these things at 4kK are 
not bad at all in the shop and feel very natural, unlike the more harsh 
fluorescent light which I think has more blue in it.


--R


On 9/19/16 9:21 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Is that right?  That link goes to what you describe, but I’m seeing $50 for the 
thing?

Dan



On Sep 19, 2016, at 8:38 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes  
wrote:

THanks!  that was enough that I could find them elsewhere.  I have not seen 
ones like that!  I like em!

Here is the mamazon listing.  $25.50 each, delivered to  your or my hacienda, 
so long as  you are already getting ripped for prime.
https://www.amazon.com/Feit-917972-Electric-Utility-Light/dp/B00LFAY5SM



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Re: [MBZ] Costco light fixtures Was:Strange effect

Is that right?  That link goes to what you describe, but I’m seeing $50 for the 
thing?

Dan


> On Sep 19, 2016, at 8:38 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> THanks!  that was enough that I could find them elsewhere.  I have not seen 
> ones like that!  I like em!
> 
> Here is the mamazon listing.  $25.50 each, delivered to  your or my hacienda, 
> so long as  you are already getting ripped for prime.
> https://www.amazon.com/Feit-917972-Electric-Utility-Light/dp/B00LFAY5SM
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

It also implies my motivation is coming from the idea that I know better - I 
don’t, nor do I profess to.  It’s more a matter of overcompensation and fiscal 
analysis on my part - Yes, the oil probably isn’t bad/worn/exhausted/sooted up 
at this point, but I want the peace of mind that the oil in my car is as clean 
and lubricious as possible, and I’m willing to spend a little extra for that 
assurance.

So it’s not a matter of, “I’m smarter than the guys who designed this to begin 
with.”

But thanks for suggesting it, Marshall.

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 5:24 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> By changing the oil more often you're saying "I know better than MB 
> engineers". Please submit proof that you know better than MB engineers.

> Boy that sounds like a Marshall post don't it?
> 
> 
> -Curt
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

2016-09-19 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

An oil analysis from Larry is the cheap insurance I use. My OM603 engine
has a MB limit of 2% soot - at 12,000 miles on M1 the analysis showed 1.5%
soot - but I'd already changed it by then. I did slowly creep up to 12,000
miles with analysis telling me that I could still go longer. I also then
had a wear record of the engine via the analysis - nothing going on at all.
IIRC, it had over 200,000 at that time.
On the other hand, I've changed the oil three times already on the F150
that only has 7,000 miles on it - due to time, not miles (once a year).

On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 3:33 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Thanks for weighing in Roger.
>
> While the 3000 mile interval may be dated or anecdotal, I feel the same
> way about getting the crud out of the engine.
>
> And again, it's a very small price to pay as far as I'm concerned.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Sep 19, 2016, at 4:05 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I would add to this that the 3K oil change is more important to a diesel
> than a gas engine. When I changed my diesels at 3K, I felt good about
> getting all the dirt and soot out of the engine. So, while it might be
> marketing, it was worth it to me. And the engines are still going strong
> after many years and many miles.
> > Best Wishes,
> > Roger
> > Roger Hale
> > Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> > Monroe, Ga.
> > 770-267-0850
> > www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] Costco light fixtures Was:Strange effect

THanks! that was enough that I could find them elsewhere. I have not
seen ones like that! I like em!

Here is the mamazon listing. $25.50 each, delivered to your or my
hacienda, so long as you are already getting ripped for prime.

https://www.amazon.com/Feit-917972-Electric-Utility-Light/dp/B00LFAY5SM

But to answer your question, you need to be blessed to get in the
store or buy stuff on the web site.

Here they are, more $ than at the store, which is how stuff often is
(the deck set was like $300 more on the web site than in the store)

http://www.costco.com/4%e2%80%99-Linkable-LED-Shop-Light-with-Pull-Chain-2-pack.product.100284402.html

--FT

Does costco allow internet sales to mere mortals or do you need to be
among the "blessed to enter? Makes no sence to pay $60 or $100
"membership" to buy $100 worth of lights.

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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

I bought 2 gallons of Synthetic 15W40 OE Diesel Oil 2 41.90 total plus $9.85 
for shipping and $3.42 sales tax for a total of $55.17 or $6.89/qt. The 
franchise fee varies but I usually get their special 6 months for $10. because 
that works for me when I need to place orders. 
So, grand total including the fee is $65.17/8= $8.14/qt. 

Prices go down with quantities. The AmsOil business works well with my Oil 
Analysis business IMO  oil changes for the 911 takes 4 gal of oil! But I 
don;t put the miles on very quickly. ;-) 

That's a great deal on the LiquiMoly! 

Larry 

- Original Message -

From: "Curt Raymond via Mercedes"  
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"  
Cc: "Curt Raymond"  
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 1:14:47 PM 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry 

Larry, 
How much does the price drop? The European 5w40 for my VWs is $11.30/qt retail 
price.Liqui Moly 4100 5w40 from Amazon is only $8 with free shipping. 
-Curt 

From: Larry Turnercatalina$27 via Mercedes  
To: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 

Cc: Larry Turnercatalina$27  
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 1:02 PM 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry 

Hey Curley! 

I'm afraid I cannot be much help. Over the past 5 years I have gone 
totally to AmsOil products and am extremely happy with them. I use 
AmsOil full Synthetics in my Porsche 911 and 91 300D, but of course, I 
still see people who use all kinds of oils. BTW, recent oil tests on 
all my vehicles and the tests came back extremely clean. I was thrilled 
with the reports ;-) 

The oil business is always playing with their formulas and I cannot keep 
up with them. Sorry - I know nothing about Castrol's Synthetic and 
can't help there either. 

Valvoline makes a great product but if you want to try something 
different I recommend Amsoil - I can sell it to you or you can get an 
inexpensive "dealership" which cuts your cost dramatically. Shipping is 
very reasonable as well. I am very happy with it - it holds up well 
and does not seem to drop viscosity when the engine gets up to full temp. 

Here's some info on the Amsoil Base Stocks: 

http://knowledgebase.amsoil.com/KnowledgebaseArticle50176.aspx?Keywords=base+stocks

I don't like to appear to be advertising on this forum so I will reply 
privately to future comments. I can help with pricing as well. 

Have a great day! 

On 9/18/2016 9:23 PM, Curley McLain wrote: 
> Larry, 
> 
> do you have any info or insight on how the valvoline full synthretic 
> compares to M1? I am curious if the base stocks are similar, and if 
> the performance is similar. I think I will use the Valvoline in the 
> Merkun engines, but after the bad experience with castrol so-called 
> synthetic, I am not sure I want to try it in an OM603. My 616s get 
> so few miles that I leave them on Mobil Dino oil. 
> 
> uhOh! Nuther oel thread 

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Re: [MBZ] Strange effect

> On September 19, 2016 at 4:08 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> So the Costco shop lights are $25 each, fooling around with $20 worth of 
> LED tubes doesn't seem worth it but YMMV.

It's worth my life to stay out of Costco. 
Erik Scott was murdered by a Las Vegas cop who got all trigger happy after a
Costco employee called 9-1-1 and lied about him (SWATted him).

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Strange effect

2016-09-19 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes

Recent fluorescent tube fixtures require correct phasing of the white
(neutral) and black (hot) wires as well as a grounded fixture.  There is
some capacitive effect between the bulb and the fixture case that enables
the light to start.  If you get this wrong, starting will be unreliable, to
say the least.  The old ones didn't used to be this way, I think.  I would
re-check the transformer wiring.  OR, if you are going to go to the trouble
to pull the fixture, rewire it for LEDs.

> -Original Message-
> From:archer75--- via Mercedes
> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:43 AM
> 
> 2 years ago I replaced he transformers in the four tube light assembly
> over the sink. The last few weeks sometimes one, sometimes two of the
> bulbs on the same shared transformer didn't come on until I twisted one
> of them in its sockets.
> Yesterday I found that just touching the glass in the middle of the tube
> was all that was needed to make it come on. I've done that repeatedly and
> every time the tube(s) light up as bright as usual.
> The only thing I can think of is some sort of capacitance effect that
> lets weak voltage/amperage from the dying transformer ionize enough of
> the gas to complete the circuit.
> The primary cause is probably the Chinese transformer from Home Depot
> since neither of the new bulbs is affected.
> Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] Strange effect

2016-09-19 Thread Russ Williams via Mercedes


Dan
Rewiring them is a piece of cake. You just cut out the Ballast and wire 
the Hot & Neutral to the tombstones on one end.
i replaced the tubes from Home Despot 40 bucks for 2 the ballast that 
was in the fixture was bad and was going to be
over 40 to replace. Toggled is the brand they sell. I got Daylight 
(5000K) bulbs. You can find the LED bulb kits cheaper on the net.
It took me 30 min to change out mine that was from the time I went to 
the garage to get tool (Screwdriver & Wire Cutter &

Ladder) 'till I put the tools away.

 Russ W.

On Mon,9/19/16 14:08, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

I really want some of those for my garage, as I'm tired of replacing bulbs and 
hassling with ballasts that puke after 3-4 years.  Someone was talking about 
just doing lamps a while back, but IIRC it required rewiring the fixtures.

Dan

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On Sep 19, 2016, at 2:19 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:

I bought some of the LED "shop lights" from Costco a few weeks back and put 
them in the garage.  Those things put out some really good light, maybe more than the 
tubes, were like $25 each, come on immediately, are in a format just like the 4ft tube 
fixtures. They weigh nothing so easy to hang.  I might get some more to replace the tube 
fixtures I have in there.

--FT



On 9/19/16 10:54 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
I have a similar problem with a 2 bulb unit in our kitchen, in our case I think 
its the bulbs since they came with the house when we bought it 10 years ago. My 
plan is to replace them with LEDs but since we almost never use the big 
fluorescent fixture I'm also thinking I might replace the whole thing with a 
much smaller fixture and move the big fixture into the basement. I'd still 
replace the tubes with LED tubes though...
-Curt

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Cc: "arche...@embarqmail.com" 
  Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:42 AM
  Subject: [MBZ] Strange effect
2 years ago I replaced he transformers in the four tube light assembly over 
the sink. The last few weeks sometimes one, sometimes two of the bulbs on the 
same shared transformer didn't come on until I twisted one of them in its 
sockets.
Yesterday I found that just touching the glass in the middle of the tube was 
all that was needed to make it come on. I've done that repeatedly and every 
time the tube(s) light up as bright as usual.
The only thing I can think of is some sort of capacitance effect that lets weak 
voltage/amperage from the dying transformer ionize enough of the gas to 
complete the circuit.
The primary cause is probably the Chinese transformer from Home Depot since 
neither of the new bulbs is affected.
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] Costco light fixtures Was:Strange effect

They had a coupla pallets full at the store when I bought mine, but like
most Costco stuff that is not a staple they get stuff in, it sells out,
they might or might not get more in at some point. So stuff like that
you have to buy when they have it.

I wanted to get a patio/deck set. They had a couple at the store. By
the time management decided that set was preferred, they had no more. I
ask the guy to order one as they had them on the web site, he said they
couldn't do that, they got whatever corporate decided to put on the
truck on Mondays and Thursdays, they would know the day before, when the
truck was loaded, what was coming. OK I say, call me when one is on the
truck, or I'll pay for one now, for whenever one shows up. No can do.
Ultimately some did show up, I called to find out if they had them, they
did, so I went and got the set. They don't seem big on that kind of
customer service.

But to answer your question, you need to be blessed to get in the store
or buy stuff on the web site.

Here they are, more $ than at the store, which is how stuff often is
(the deck set was like $300 more on the web site than in the store)

http://www.costco.com/4%e2%80%99-Linkable-LED-Shop-Light-with-Pull-Chain-2-pack.product.100284402.html

--FT

On 9/19/16 5:26 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Can anyone find a link for those Costco $25 shop light fixtures?
Nothing turned up o n my search, but maybe they don't call them shop
lights. Or better yet, another source.

Does costco allow internet sales to mere mortals or do you need to be
among the "blessed to enter? Makes no sence to pay $60 or $100
"membership" to buy $100 worth of lights.

Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
September 19, 2016 at 3:08 PM
So the Costco shop lights are $25 each, fooling around with $20 worth
of LED tubes doesn't seem worth it but YMMV.

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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

Some people are weird that way.  just because they don't want it, they 
don't want anyone else to get use out of whatever they throw away.  Same 
people chase away people picking up cans or dumpster diving or picking 
up things at the curb.



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
September 19, 2016 at 4:24 PM
Some years ago a co-worker was using Mobil 1 in his Mercury Marauder 
and changing at 2,500 miles. He wasn't using the car hard or racing it 
or anything, he gave the typical "Its cheap insurance" argument. I 
asked him if I could have the old oil. I told him I'd put it in the 
Ranger, that the oil was just barely broken in. That caused him to 
actually read the manual and change to the official Mercury OCI of 
7500 miles.
He seemed genuinely offended when I asked for the oil, I find that 
strange, it was something he was going to throw out anyway...



-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Transmission oil

I doubt it, its a very common complaint with VW transmissions using VW oil. 
They say its "notchy" in that you can feel the gears notches connect.
The first year I had the Jetta I used half MTL and half MT-90 which was nice 
with not notchy feeling but quite stiff when cold. I'd read that MT-90 could 
make stiff shifts when cold which is why I added the MTL. The following year I 
used just MTL, it shifts more stifly in the cold but you'd expect that, its 
cold after all. Loosens up after a mile or two.
-Curt

  From: Larry T 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 
 Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 4:40 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Transmission oil
   
Your shop may be able to adjust it for you...
LarryT
From: "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
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Cc: "Curt Raymond" 
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:35:42 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Transmission oil

While we're having oil threads I figured I'd toss out this:
Angie's '05 Golf has a notchy 1st gear shift. Particularly if you're rolling 
backwards slightly when you put it into 1st it'll make a crunch noise. It 
doesn't seem to hurt anything and is a common complaint on these cars. My '98 
Jetta has the same transmission (mostly) but doesn't do the crunch. 
The difference? My '98 has Redline MTL in it, hers has VW spec stuff. The VW 
stuff is very thin, like ATF or thinner. The MTL isn't much thicker but 
apparently that thickness makes a difference.
When I make the next oil change I'm going to put MTL in her car, I should make 
a video and see if it makes a difference.
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

MB says you can have 2% soot in the oil with no ill effects, the oil can carry 
the soot around, it doesn't hurt anything. Dirt on the other hand mostly gets 
trapped in the filter. MB said 5000 miles for a diesel and 7500 miles for a 
gasser.
By changing the oil more often you're saying "I know better than MB engineers". 
Please submit proof that you know better than MB engineers.
Boy that sounds like a Marshall post don't it?
In the end you do whatever you what to do, its your car after all. 
Some years ago a co-worker was using Mobil 1 in his Mercury Marauder and 
changing at 2,500 miles. He wasn't using the car hard or racing it or anything, 
he gave the typical "Its cheap insurance" argument. I asked him if I could have 
the old oil. I told him I'd put it in the Ranger, that the oil was just barely 
broken in. That caused him to actually read the manual and change to the 
official Mercury OCI of 7500 miles.
He seemed genuinely offended when I asked for the oil, I find that strange, it 
was something he was going to throw out anyway...

-Curt

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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

Thanks for weighing in Roger. 

While the 3000 mile interval may be dated or anecdotal, I feel the same way 
about getting the crud out of the engine.

And again, it's a very small price to pay as far as I'm concerned.

Dan

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> On Sep 19, 2016, at 4:05 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I would add to this that the 3K oil change is more important to a diesel than 
> a gas engine. When I changed my diesels at 3K, I felt good about getting all 
> the dirt and soot out of the engine. So, while it might be marketing, it was 
> worth it to me. And the engines are still going strong after many years and 
> many miles. 
> Best Wishes, 
> Roger 
> Roger Hale 
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
> Monroe, Ga. 
> 770-267-0850 
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com 
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[MBZ] Costco light fixtures Was:Strange effect

Can anyone find a link for those Costco $25 shop light fixtures?  
Nothing turned up o n my search, but maybe they don't call them shop 
lights.   Or better yet, another source.


Does costco allow internet sales to mere mortals or do you need to be 
among the "blessed to enter?   Makes no sence to pay $60 or $100 
"membership" to buy $100 worth of lights.



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
September 19, 2016 at 3:08 PM
So the Costco shop lights are $25 each, fooling around with $20 worth 
of LED tubes doesn't seem worth it but YMMV.


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Re: [MBZ] Strange effect

Exactly my thoughts, which is why I asked about the lamps.

Dan

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> On Sep 19, 2016, at 4:08 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So the Costco shop lights are $25 each, fooling around with $20 worth of LED 
> tubes doesn't seem worth it but YMMV.
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
>> On 9/19/16 3:45 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
>> Dan inquires:
>> 
>> ‎>Does anyone have a source for >just the lamps? I don't recall what >they 
>> cost
>> 
>> Any big box home improvement store. Around ten bucks a tube.
>> 
>> ‎http://m.homedepot.com/p/Philips-4-ft-T8-17-Watt-Daylight-Linear-LED-Light-Bulb-456608/206278132
>> 
>> 
>> http://m.homedepot.com/p/48-in-T8-16-Watt-Daylight-Linear-LED-Tube-Light-Bulb-A416-50210/205935902
>> 
>> Or Amazon.
>> 
>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00OMAIG2S/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1474314275&sr=8-1&pi=SL75_QL70&keywords=t8+led+tube
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Strange effect

Right. And these (direct wire, no ballast) are the kind I would want, as I have 
no idea if my ballasts are good or not.

Dan

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> 
> 
> I know of two kinds of LED replacement tubes:
> One kind needs the ballast to run, so they're not a fix for a dead ballast but
> you don't have to rewire. 
> The other kind runs on straight 120v, so you bypass the ballast and you need
> non-shunted bulbholders/tombstones. After that, no more worries about ballast
> failure. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

Possibly, but I was schooled in MB oil pressure years ago that anything less 
than 1.0 bar at idle was undesirable or indicated excessive engine wear.

Dan

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> 
> Dan, this line from your email caught my attention:
> 
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes > wrote:
> 
>> The only reason for using the higher viscosity oil is to keep idle
>> pressures up in high temperatures. In both M119s with over 275k the idle
>> pressure drops perilously close to 1.0 bar during the hottest times of the
>> year with everything turned on.  If I use the 15W-50 idle pressures are
>> more like 1.5 bar under similar conditions.
> My understanding after reading through the "Motor Oil University" material
> on Bob is the Oil Guy ( https://bobistheoilguy.com/motor-oil-101/ ) is that
> engine oil is serving two purposes, lubrication AND cooling, and in order
> to cool it needs to flow, at the rate of flow that the MB engineers
> calculated.  Increasing the viscosity will slow down the flow (less
> cooling).  You may be using the wrong metric (hot idle oil pressure) to
> guide your choice in oil.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Transmission oil

Your shop may be able to adjust it for you... 
LarryT 

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Cc: "Curt Raymond"  
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:35:42 AM 
Subject: [MBZ] Transmission oil 

While we're having oil threads I figured I'd toss out this: 
Angie's '05 Golf has a notchy 1st gear shift. Particularly if you're rolling 
backwards slightly when you put it into 1st it'll make a crunch noise. It 
doesn't seem to hurt anything and is a common complaint on these cars. My '98 
Jetta has the same transmission (mostly) but doesn't do the crunch. 
The difference? My '98 has Redline MTL in it, hers has VW spec stuff. The VW 
stuff is very thin, like ATF or thinner. The MTL isn't much thicker but 
apparently that thickness makes a difference. 
When I make the next oil change I'm going to put MTL in her car, I should make 
a video and see if it makes a difference. 
-Curt 
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Re: [MBZ] Strange effect

Thanks, Rick!

Dan

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> On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:45 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Dan inquires:
> 
> ‎>Does anyone have a source for >just the lamps? I don't recall what >they 
> cost
> 
> Any big box home improvement store. Around ten bucks a tube. 
> 
> ‎http://m.homedepot.com/p/Philips-4-ft-T8-17-Watt-Daylight-Linear-LED-Light-Bulb-456608/206278132
> 
> 
> http://m.homedepot.com/p/48-in-T8-16-Watt-Daylight-Linear-LED-Tube-Light-Bulb-A416-50210/205935902
> 
> Or Amazon. 
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00OMAIG2S/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1474314275&sr=8-1&pi=SL75_QL70&keywords=t8+led+tube
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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

Thanks for weighing in Roger. 

While the 3000 mile interval may be dated or anecdotal, I feel the same way 
about getting the crud out of the engine.

And again, it's a very small price to pay as far as I'm concerned.

Dan

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> On Sep 19, 2016, at 4:05 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I would add to this that the 3K oil change is more important to a diesel than 
> a gas engine. When I changed my diesels at 3K, I felt good about getting all 
> the dirt and soot out of the engine. So, while it might be marketing, it was 
> worth it to me. And the engines are still going strong after many years and 
> many miles. 
> Best Wishes, 
> Roger 
> Roger Hale 
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
> Monroe, Ga. 
> 770-267-0850 
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Strange effect

So the Costco shop lights are $25 each, fooling around with $20 worth of 
LED tubes doesn't seem worth it but YMMV.


--FT


On 9/19/16 3:45 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

Dan inquires:

‎>Does anyone have a source for >just the lamps? I don't recall what >they 
cost

Any big box home improvement store. Around ten bucks a tube.

‎http://m.homedepot.com/p/Philips-4-ft-T8-17-Watt-Daylight-Linear-LED-Light-Bulb-456608/206278132


http://m.homedepot.com/p/48-in-T8-16-Watt-Daylight-Linear-LED-Tube-Light-Bulb-A416-50210/205935902

Or Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00OMAIG2S/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1474314275&sr=8-1&pi=SL75_QL70&keywords=t8+led+tube


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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

2016-09-19 Thread rogerhga--- via Mercedes

I would add to this that the 3K oil change is more important to a diesel than a 
gas engine. When I changed my diesels at 3K, I felt good about getting all the 
dirt and soot out of the engine. So, while it might be marketing, it was worth 
it to me. And the engines are still going strong after many years and many 
miles. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

2016-09-19 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes

Dan, this line from your email caught my attention:

On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:

> The only reason for using the higher viscosity oil is to keep idle
> pressures up in high temperatures. In both M119s with over 275k the idle
> pressure drops perilously close to 1.0 bar during the hottest times of the
> year with everything turned on.  If I use the 15W-50 idle pressures are
> more like 1.5 bar under similar conditions.
>
>
My understanding after reading through the "Motor Oil University" material
on Bob is the Oil Guy ( https://bobistheoilguy.com/motor-oil-101/ ) is that
engine oil is serving two purposes, lubrication AND cooling, and in order
to cool it needs to flow, at the rate of flow that the MB engineers
calculated.  Increasing the viscosity will slow down the flow (less
cooling).  You may be using the wrong metric (hot idle oil pressure) to
guide your choice in oil.

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Strange effect


I know of two kinds of LED replacement tubes:
One kind needs the ballast to run, so they're not a fix for a dead ballast but
you don't have to rewire. 
The other kind runs on straight 120v, so you bypass the ballast and you need
non-shunted bulbholders/tombstones. After that, no more worries about ballast
failure. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Strange effect


> I've been paying $5 each for Sylvania 800 lumen LEDs at our local hardware
> store, replacing the cheap curly CFLs that I never really liked.

How about Philips for $11 per 6pack?
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Philips-60W-Equivalent-Soft-White-A19-LED-Light-Bulb-6-Pack-455949/206526847

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Re: [MBZ] Strange effect

Thats what I'm planning on, you replace the ballast with a transformer for the 
LED. Doesn't look hard at all, its designed for folks who don't know much about 
electricity.
-Curt

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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Strange effect
   
I really want some of those for my garage, as I'm tired of replacing bulbs and 
hassling with ballasts that puke after 3-4 years.  Someone was talking about 
just doing lamps a while back, but IIRC it required rewiring the fixtures.

Dan

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> On Sep 19, 2016, at 2:19 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I bought some of the LED "shop lights" from Costco a few weeks back and put 
> them in the garage.  Those things put out some really good light, maybe more 
> than the tubes, were like $25 each, come on immediately, are in a format just 
> like the 4ft tube fixtures. They weigh nothing so easy to hang.  I might get 
> some more to replace the tube fixtures I have in there.
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
>> On 9/19/16 10:54 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> I have a similar problem with a 2 bulb unit in our kitchen, in our case I 
>> think its the bulbs since they came with the house when we bought it 10 
>> years ago. My plan is to replace them with LEDs but since we almost never 
>> use the big fluorescent fixture I'm also thinking I might replace the whole 
>> thing with a much smaller fixture and move the big fixture into the 
>> basement. I'd still replace the tubes with LED tubes though...
>> -Curt
>> 
>>      From: archer75--- via Mercedes 
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>>  Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:42 AM
>>  Subject: [MBZ] Strange effect
>>    2 years ago I replaced he transformers in the four tube light assembly 
>>over the sink. The last few weeks sometimes one, sometimes two of the bulbs 
>>on the same shared transformer didn't come on until I twisted one of them in 
>>its sockets.
>> Yesterday I found that just touching the glass in the middle of the tube was 
>> all that was needed to make it come on. I've done that repeatedly and every 
>> time the tube(s) light up as bright as usual.
>> The only thing I can think of is some sort of capacitance effect that lets 
>> weak voltage/amperage from the dying transformer ionize enough of the gas to 
>> complete the circuit.
>> The primary cause is probably the Chinese transformer from Home Depot since 
>> neither of the new bulbs is affected.
>> Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] Strange effect

2016-09-19 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

Dan inquires:

‎>Does anyone have a source for >just the lamps? I don't recall what >they 
cost

Any big box home improvement store. Around ten bucks a tube. 

‎http://m.homedepot.com/p/Philips-4-ft-T8-17-Watt-Daylight-Linear-LED-Light-Bulb-456608/206278132


http://m.homedepot.com/p/48-in-T8-16-Watt-Daylight-Linear-LED-Tube-Light-Bulb-A416-50210/205935902

Or Amazon. 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00OMAIG2S/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1474314275&sr=8-1&pi=SL75_QL70&keywords=t8+led+tube


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Re: [MBZ] Strange effect

I knew it was, but if it makes sense to just replace the fixture I would rather 
go that route.

My garage fixtures are the el cheapo Lowes "shop lights" that cost like 
$10/each.

Does anyone have a source for just the lamps? I don't recall what they cost

Dan

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> 
> Dan writes:
> 
>> ‎Someone was talking about just >doing lamps a while back, but >IIRC it 
>> required rewiring the >fixtures.
> 
> It is exceedingly simple. Remove the ballast (or don't), hot to one side of 
> the lamp holder, neutral to the other side of the lamp holder. Ground remains 
> ground. Lamp holder (tombstone) at the other end holds the led tube in place.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Strange effect

2016-09-19 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

Dan writes:

>‎Someone was talking about just >doing lamps a while back, but >IIRC it 
>required rewiring the >fixtures.

It is exceedingly simple. Remove the ballast (or don't), hot to one side of the 
lamp holder, neutral to the other side of the lamp holder. Ground remains 
ground. Lamp holder (tombstone) at the other end holds the led tube in place.

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Re: [MBZ] Strange effect

I really want some of those for my garage, as I'm tired of replacing bulbs and 
hassling with ballasts that puke after 3-4 years.  Someone was talking about 
just doing lamps a while back, but IIRC it required rewiring the fixtures.

Dan

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> On Sep 19, 2016, at 2:19 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I bought some of the LED "shop lights" from Costco a few weeks back and put 
> them in the garage.  Those things put out some really good light, maybe more 
> than the tubes, were like $25 each, come on immediately, are in a format just 
> like the 4ft tube fixtures. They weigh nothing so easy to hang.  I might get 
> some more to replace the tube fixtures I have in there.
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
>> On 9/19/16 10:54 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> I have a similar problem with a 2 bulb unit in our kitchen, in our case I 
>> think its the bulbs since they came with the house when we bought it 10 
>> years ago. My plan is to replace them with LEDs but since we almost never 
>> use the big fluorescent fixture I'm also thinking I might replace the whole 
>> thing with a much smaller fixture and move the big fixture into the 
>> basement. I'd still replace the tubes with LED tubes though...
>> -Curt
>> 
>>   From: archer75--- via Mercedes 
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>>  Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:42 AM
>>  Subject: [MBZ] Strange effect
>>2 years ago I replaced he transformers in the four tube light assembly 
>> over the sink. The last few weeks sometimes one, sometimes two of the bulbs 
>> on the same shared transformer didn't come on until I twisted one of them in 
>> its sockets.
>> Yesterday I found that just touching the glass in the middle of the tube was 
>> all that was needed to make it come on. I've done that repeatedly and every 
>> time the tube(s) light up as bright as usual.
>> The only thing I can think of is some sort of capacitance effect that lets 
>> weak voltage/amperage from the dying transformer ionize enough of the gas to 
>> complete the circuit.
>> The primary cause is probably the Chinese transformer from Home Depot since 
>> neither of the new bulbs is affected.
>> Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] o'bungler's chickens coming home to roost

2016-09-19 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

Maybe he was just smart enough not to get back up and come at the 
officer again.
The article I read said that the whole episode was caught on the store's 
video cameras.
The officer will not face discipline or charges for just killing him 
after he was down.


RB

On 19/09/2016 1:51 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Too bad your PC was not a fararms instructor too!  Then the guy would 
be dead.  three shots,  two in the chest, one in the head.



Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
September 19, 2016 at 1:41 PM


Canadian version too.
Calgary police officer encountered a fellow waving around a machete 
in the middle of a Sears store.
The bad guy sliced the officer's arm and shoulder but the officer 
shot him anyway.

The officer has had surgery and hopefully will be ok.
The bad guy lived and was patched up too.

RB

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Curley McLain 
September 19, 2016 at 1:14 PM
A waytago to the Avon, new somalia PD officer.  He shot the haji 
once.  The haji  got up to charge again,  he shot again.  The haji 
got up a third time to charge, he shot again.  Haji dead. Hope he had 
lard onthe the bull lets.


Very different that the average "expert" that fires 17 shots and may 
or may not hit the suspect.


Turns out the Avon PD officer is a firearms instructor.

WAYTAGO!

Mountain Man via Mercedes 
September 19, 2016 at 10:39 AM

Along with an assassination attempt. On the Donald.
mao

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Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
September 19, 2016 at 8:01 AM
One of the comments / twitter posts following the attacks offered that
these bombings and stabbings only strengthen Trump's presidential bid 
and

weaken Hillary. How ironic. Maybe we miss W just a little now? That'll
be the "October Surprise", Dubya will endorse Trump?

-
Max
Charleston SC

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Curley McLain 
September 18, 2016 at 11:32 PM
3 attacks on Sat, 2 in NYC and one in St Cloud, new somalia (formerly 
known as Minnie sota).   As rev Wright said, "Your chickens are 
comin' home to roost" only this time it refers to his buddy bungler, 
who has been busy bringing in as many hajis as he can to wreak havoc 
on us all.


How y'all likin' that "hope and change?"

Where are all the call for registering and banning pressure cookers 
and knives?   We have to ban nails, new or used also.


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Re: [MBZ] o'bungler's chickens coming home to roost

Too bad your PC was not a fararms instructor too!  Then the guy would be 
dead.  three shots,  two in the chest, one in the head.



Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
September 19, 2016 at 1:41 PM


Canadian version too.
Calgary police officer encountered a fellow waving around a machete in 
the middle of a Sears store.
The bad guy sliced the officer's arm and shoulder but the officer shot 
him anyway.

The officer has had surgery and hopefully will be ok.
The bad guy lived and was patched up too.

RB

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Curley McLain 
September 19, 2016 at 1:14 PM
A waytago to the Avon, new somalia PD officer.  He shot the haji 
once.  The haji  got up to charge again,  he shot again.  The haji got 
up a third time to charge, he shot again.  Haji dead.   Hope he had 
lard onthe the bull lets.


Very different that the average "expert" that fires 17 shots and may 
or may not hit the suspect.


Turns out the Avon PD officer is a firearms instructor.

WAYTAGO!

Mountain Man via Mercedes 
September 19, 2016 at 10:39 AM

Along with an assassination attempt. On the Donald.
mao

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Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
September 19, 2016 at 8:01 AM
One of the comments / twitter posts following the attacks offered that
these bombings and stabbings only strengthen Trump's presidential bid and
weaken Hillary. How ironic. Maybe we miss W just a little now? That'll
be the "October Surprise", Dubya will endorse Trump?

-
Max
Charleston SC

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Curley McLain 
September 18, 2016 at 11:32 PM
3 attacks on Sat, 2 in NYC and one in St Cloud, new somalia  (formerly 
known as Minnie sota).   As rev Wright said, "Your chickens are comin' 
home to roost" only this time it refers to his buddy bungler, who has 
been busy bringing in as many hajis as he can to wreak havoc on us all.


How y'all likin' that "hope and change?"

Where are all the call for registering and banning pressure cookers 
and knives?   We have to ban nails, new or used also.


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Re: [MBZ] o'bungler's chickens coming home to roost

2016-09-19 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes


On 19/09/2016 1:14 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
A waytago to the Avon, new somalia PD officer.  He shot the haji 
once.  The haji  got up to charge again,  he shot again.  The haji got 
up a third time to charge, he shot again.  Haji dead.   Hope he had 
lard onthe the bull lets.


Very different that the average "expert" that fires 17 shots and may 
or may not hit the suspect.


Turns out the Avon PD officer is a firearms instructor.

WAYTAGO!


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Canadian version too.
Calgary police officer encountered a fellow waving around a machete in 
the middle of a Sears store.
The bad guy sliced the officer's arm and shoulder but the officer shot 
him anyway.

The officer has had surgery and hopefully will be ok.
The bad guy lived and was patched up too.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] Strange effect

You need to have a different kind of dimmer switch for them apparently.  
I put in a bunch of dimmer switches in the new constructions, and then 
got to thinking about replacing some of the halogens with the chinee 
LEDs, but in looking at the dimmer switches now I see some are rated for 
the Curley lights and LEDs and some aren't.  I'm not sure how that 
works, if the dimmer actually PWMs the lights or what; whereas, the 
standard dimmers are just resistive or something.  Or if the dimmable 
LED has some kind of PWM circuit that detects a lower voltage from a 
standard dimmer then PWMs the light and the power supply doesn't do 
anything since it is just stepping whatever AC voltage down to what the 
light wants (5VDC or whatever).


--FT


On 9/19/16 2:24 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I've been happy with every LED I've used in the last couple years. Just got some 
"dimmable" units to put in a ceiling fan. They don't really dim the way 
incandescents do, they drop to about 2/3 brightness and below that they quit. Still they 
pull 5w each instead of 40 and and light the room nicely. These bulbs are really small 
and unobtrusive, expensive though, I think I paid $10 each.
I've been paying $5 each for Sylvania 800 lumen LEDs at our local hardware 
store, replacing the cheap curly CFLs that I never really liked.
-Curt

   From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Floyd Thursby 
  Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 2:19 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Strange effect

I bought some of the LED "shop lights" from Costco a few weeks back and

put them in the garage.  Those things put out some really good light,
maybe more than the tubes, were like $25 each, come on immediately, are
in a format just like the 4ft tube fixtures. They weigh nothing so easy
to hang.  I might get some more to replace the tube fixtures I have in
there.

--FT


On 9/19/16 10:54 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I have a similar problem with a 2 bulb unit in our kitchen, in our case I think 
its the bulbs since they came with the house when we bought it 10 years ago. My 
plan is to replace them with LEDs but since we almost never use the big 
fluorescent fixture I'm also thinking I might replace the whole thing with a 
much smaller fixture and move the big fixture into the basement. I'd still 
replace the tubes with LED tubes though...
-Curt

 From: archer75--- via Mercedes 
   To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: "arche...@embarqmail.com" 
   Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:42 AM
   Subject: [MBZ] Strange effect
 
2 years ago I replaced he transformers in the four tube light assembly over the sink. The last few weeks sometimes one, sometimes two of the bulbs on the same shared transformer didn't come on until I twisted one of them in its sockets.

Yesterday I found that just touching the glass in the middle of the tube was 
all that was needed to make it come on. I've done that repeatedly and every 
time the tube(s) light up as bright as usual.
The only thing I can think of is some sort of capacitance effect that lets weak 
voltage/amperage from the dying transformer ionize enough of the gas to 
complete the circuit.
The primary cause is probably the Chinese transformer from Home Depot since 
neither of the new bulbs is affected.
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] o'bungler's chickens coming home to roost

The weekend seemed to be an important holiday for the non-representative 
members of the Religion of Peace and Understanding.  Do the Mennonites 
actually follow the full moon for their celebratory events?


--R


On 9/19/16 2:14 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
A waytago to the Avon, new somalia PD officer.  He shot the haji 
once.  The haji  got up to charge again,  he shot again.  The haji got 
up a third time to charge, he shot again.  Haji dead.   Hope he had 
lard onthe the bull lets.


Very different that the average "expert" that fires 17 shots and may 
or may not hit the suspect.


Turns out the Avon PD officer is a firearms instructor.

WAYTAGO!


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Re: [MBZ] Strange effect

I've been happy with every LED I've used in the last couple years. Just got 
some "dimmable" units to put in a ceiling fan. They don't really dim the way 
incandescents do, they drop to about 2/3 brightness and below that they quit. 
Still they pull 5w each instead of 40 and and light the room nicely. These 
bulbs are really small and unobtrusive, expensive though, I think I paid $10 
each.
I've been paying $5 each for Sylvania 800 lumen LEDs at our local hardware 
store, replacing the cheap curly CFLs that I never really liked.
-Curt

  From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Floyd Thursby 
 Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 2:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Strange effect
   
I bought some of the LED "shop lights" from Costco a few weeks back and 
put them in the garage.  Those things put out some really good light, 
maybe more than the tubes, were like $25 each, come on immediately, are 
in a format just like the 4ft tube fixtures. They weigh nothing so easy 
to hang.  I might get some more to replace the tube fixtures I have in 
there.

--FT


On 9/19/16 10:54 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> I have a similar problem with a 2 bulb unit in our kitchen, in our case I 
> think its the bulbs since they came with the house when we bought it 10 years 
> ago. My plan is to replace them with LEDs but since we almost never use the 
> big fluorescent fixture I'm also thinking I might replace the whole thing 
> with a much smaller fixture and move the big fixture into the basement. I'd 
> still replace the tubes with LED tubes though...
> -Curt
>
>        From: archer75--- via Mercedes 
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> Cc: "arche...@embarqmail.com" 
>  Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:42 AM
>  Subject: [MBZ] Strange effect
>    
> 2 years ago I replaced he transformers in the four tube light assembly over 
> the sink. The last few weeks sometimes one, sometimes two of the bulbs on the 
> same shared transformer didn't come on until I twisted one of them in its 
> sockets.
> Yesterday I found that just touching the glass in the middle of the tube was 
> all that was needed to make it come on. I've done that repeatedly and every 
> time the tube(s) light up as bright as usual.
> The only thing I can think of is some sort of capacitance effect that lets 
> weak voltage/amperage from the dying transformer ionize enough of the gas to 
> complete the circuit.
> The primary cause is probably the Chinese transformer from Home Depot since 
> neither of the new bulbs is affected.
> Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] Strange effect

I bought some of the LED "shop lights" from Costco a few weeks back and 
put them in the garage.  Those things put out some really good light, 
maybe more than the tubes, were like $25 each, come on immediately, are 
in a format just like the 4ft tube fixtures. They weigh nothing so easy 
to hang.  I might get some more to replace the tube fixtures I have in 
there.


--FT


On 9/19/16 10:54 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I have a similar problem with a 2 bulb unit in our kitchen, in our case I think 
its the bulbs since they came with the house when we bought it 10 years ago. My 
plan is to replace them with LEDs but since we almost never use the big 
fluorescent fixture I'm also thinking I might replace the whole thing with a 
much smaller fixture and move the big fixture into the basement. I'd still 
replace the tubes with LED tubes though...
-Curt

   From: archer75--- via Mercedes 
  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: "arche...@embarqmail.com" 
  Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:42 AM
  Subject: [MBZ] Strange effect

2 years ago I replaced he transformers in the four tube light assembly over the sink. The last few weeks sometimes one, sometimes two of the bulbs on the same shared transformer didn't come on until I twisted one of them in its sockets.

Yesterday I found that just touching the glass in the middle of the tube was 
all that was needed to make it come on. I've done that repeatedly and every 
time the tube(s) light up as bright as usual.
The only thing I can think of is some sort of capacitance effect that lets weak 
voltage/amperage from the dying transformer ionize enough of the gas to 
complete the circuit.
The primary cause is probably the Chinese transformer from Home Depot since 
neither of the new bulbs is affected.
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] o'bungler's chickens coming home to roost

A waytago to the Avon, new somalia PD officer.  He shot the haji once.  
The haji  got up to charge again,  he shot again.  The haji got up a 
third time to charge, he shot again.  Haji dead.   Hope he had lard 
onthe the bull lets.


Very different that the average "expert" that fires 17 shots and may or 
may not hit the suspect.


Turns out the Avon PD officer is a firearms instructor.

WAYTAGO!


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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

I found this: 
http://w124-zone.com/downloads/MB%20CD/W124/w124CD1/Program/Maintenance/sheets86_97.pdfwhich
 suggests every 5,000 miles for diesels '86-'97, 7,500 for gassers.
-Curt

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 Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 2:04 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry
   
I have a 8 quart model of this:

http://www.liquivac.com

So, as an oil guy, you're saying that I could go longer than 3000 miles between 
changes without concerns? This doesn't surprise me at all, but I would also be 
curious to see what Mercedes used to recommend for change intervals on the 
OM603. I realize their info would be dated, but it would be interesting to know 
just for the heck of it.

And yes, I'm all too familiar with the marketing efforts of the oil places to 
push the "every 3000 miles" stuff. My understanding of it is far more dated, 
and goes back to the 1980s.

Dan

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> On Sep 19, 2016, at 1:16 PM, Larry T  wrote:
> 
> Is that a store bought or a home built pumping system?  
> Thx
> LarryT
> 
> From: "Dan--- via Mercedes" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Cc: "d...@penoff.com" 
> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:56:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry
> 
> I understand, since it's a synthetic I'm sure it flows far better in cold 
> temps than a conventional oil.
> 
> In the higher mileage M119s I've had I run 15W-50 M1 and change every 7500, 
> maybe 10k in the older son's car, since his mileage is almost all highway. 
> The only reason for using the higher viscosity oil is to keep idle pressures 
> up in high temperatures. In both M119s with over 275k the idle pressure drops 
> perilously close to 1.0 bar during the hottest times of the year with 
> everything turned on.  If I use the 15W-50 idle pressures are more like 1.5 
> bar under similar conditions.
> 
> Time isn't an issue for me. If it's one of my cars, I just pull it into the 
> garage, get out the vacuum extractor, pump it up, stick in the hose and go 
> off to do something else. 30 minutes later I'll come back, swap the filter, 
> fill it up with fresh oil and check levels. I spend 15 minutes total changing 
> oil, if that.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On Sep 19, 2016, at 10:21 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > You'd think that until you play with both oils in the cold. The 15w40 
> > conventional oil is almost solid at 0F, the 15w50 has barely changed, its a 
> > little thicker but not much. I forget who gave me the idea, maybe Marshall 
> > but its true.
> > Hmm, maybe I should make a video about it...
> > I'm exactly the opposite, having done some oil analysis I see no reason to 
> > change the oil before its used up, it seems like a waste of money and a 
> > waste of time, mostly the later actually. With both of my 190Ds analysis 
> > showed the oil was still doing fine at 12,000 miles at which point I always 
> > got chicken. It'd also tend to thicken a bit at that point and I could hear 
> > a difference in cold starts.
> > From a money perspective you're paying say $90/yr plus your time. Mobil 1 
> > 5w40 at Autozone here is $29/gal full price so you'd be almost 3 times the 
> > cost in oil but 1/3 the cost in filters and 1/3 the time which for me is 
> > the most valuable part.
> > Of course you don't have to worry about cold starts, at 0F with 15w40 
> > conventional oil forget it, just plug the car in and wait. With synthetic 
> > give it an extra few seconds after the car starts and drive away...
> > -Curt
> > 
> >      From: Dan--- via Mercedes 
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> > Cc: "d...@penoff.com" 
> > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:13 AM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry
> > 
> > Curt,
> > 
> > Do you have that backwards? I can't imagine running 15W-50 in the winter in 
> > your neck of the woods. It would be like molasses, I would think.
> > 
> > I currently run Delo 15W-40 in the SDL with 3000 mile changes. I believe 
> > strongly in the interval more than the oil, so it doesn't make a lot of 
> > sense to use something like M1 in the car with that short of an interval.
> > 
> > A 2-1/2 gallon jug is around $26 at Wallyworld. Add $10 for a filter and an 
> > oil change costs me roughly $30. I will probably change oil 2-3 times this 
> > year.
> > 
> > Dan
> > 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPad
> > 
> >> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:49 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Why so hot for 20-50? I ran 15w40 in my 240Ds all summer and switched to 
> >> 15w50 M1 in the winter for easier cold starts.
> >> In a 60x engine you can do synthetic and change the oil less often but 
> >> IIRC you don't drive that much. If I ran conventional oil back when
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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

> On September 19, 2016 at 1:24 PM Larry T via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Ditto's - But I guess it's common knowledge on this forum that the old "Change
> at 3000" was an advertising gimmick with no basis in fact. 

I think of it as historical basis. 
It was probably a very good idea with a non-feedback carburetor and API SE grade
oil. By the end of the 1980s, all the manufacturers were recommending 7500 miles
on most cars, and all the service managers were promising you swift engine death
if you dared follow factory recommendations, they either had their heads stuck
in their 40 years of professional experience with obsolete cars and oils, or
were worried about losing half their oil change business. 

I'm driving a 2007 Saturn a lot now. It's the only time I've had an oil life
monitor which does not give the driver a clue as to the oil status until the
'change oil now' notice appears. It's still happy that I changed the oil 9
months and 10,000+ miles ago. I prefer the other GM cars that give a percent of
life remaining (the local Chevy dealer has convinced my father that you have to
change it when the monitor reads 50%), or the MB way of giving an estimate of
remaining miles on the oil life. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Question for the Martha S of laundry

2016-09-19 Thread Dimitri via Mercedes

Do not use non he rated detergent in an he machine. My brother had some tenants 
do that in a new he machine and he had to replace the machine in less than 6 
months!

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> On Sep 18, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> We have a stacked Kenmore HE2 washer dryer.  Someone gifted us half a tub
> of Kirkland powdered detergent - industrial strength but not HE rated.
> 
> http://harrisburgstore.com/kirkland-laundry-detergent-super-concentrate-powder-kirkland-laundry-soap/?gclid=CJ-RufmBms8CFYckhgodSacDfQ
> 
> My thinking is that I would be OK to use small measures of the Kirkland
> because there is nothing intrinsically different about HE certified soap
> other than its low sudsing characteristics.  Any thoughts?
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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

I have a 8 quart model of this:

http://www.liquivac.com

So, as an oil guy, you're saying that I could go longer than 3000 miles between 
changes without concerns? This doesn't surprise me at all, but I would also be 
curious to see what Mercedes used to recommend for change intervals on the 
OM603. I realize their info would be dated, but it would be interesting to know 
just for the heck of it.

And yes, I'm all too familiar with the marketing efforts of the oil places to 
push the "every 3000 miles" stuff. My understanding of it is far more dated, 
and goes back to the 1980s.

Dan

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> On Sep 19, 2016, at 1:16 PM, Larry T  wrote:
> 
> Is that a store bought or a home built pumping system?  
> Thx
> LarryT
> 
> From: "Dan--- via Mercedes" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Cc: "d...@penoff.com" 
> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:56:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry
> 
> I understand, since it's a synthetic I'm sure it flows far better in cold 
> temps than a conventional oil.
> 
> In the higher mileage M119s I've had I run 15W-50 M1 and change every 7500, 
> maybe 10k in the older son's car, since his mileage is almost all highway. 
> The only reason for using the higher viscosity oil is to keep idle pressures 
> up in high temperatures. In both M119s with over 275k the idle pressure drops 
> perilously close to 1.0 bar during the hottest times of the year with 
> everything turned on.  If I use the 15W-50 idle pressures are more like 1.5 
> bar under similar conditions.
> 
> Time isn't an issue for me. If it's one of my cars, I just pull it into the 
> garage, get out the vacuum extractor, pump it up, stick in the hose and go 
> off to do something else. 30 minutes later I'll come back, swap the filter, 
> fill it up with fresh oil and check levels. I spend 15 minutes total changing 
> oil, if that.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On Sep 19, 2016, at 10:21 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > You'd think that until you play with both oils in the cold. The 15w40 
> > conventional oil is almost solid at 0F, the 15w50 has barely changed, its a 
> > little thicker but not much. I forget who gave me the idea, maybe Marshall 
> > but its true.
> > Hmm, maybe I should make a video about it...
> > I'm exactly the opposite, having done some oil analysis I see no reason to 
> > change the oil before its used up, it seems like a waste of money and a 
> > waste of time, mostly the later actually. With both of my 190Ds analysis 
> > showed the oil was still doing fine at 12,000 miles at which point I always 
> > got chicken. It'd also tend to thicken a bit at that point and I could hear 
> > a difference in cold starts.
> > From a money perspective you're paying say $90/yr plus your time. Mobil 1 
> > 5w40 at Autozone here is $29/gal full price so you'd be almost 3 times the 
> > cost in oil but 1/3 the cost in filters and 1/3 the time which for me is 
> > the most valuable part.
> > Of course you don't have to worry about cold starts, at 0F with 15w40 
> > conventional oil forget it, just plug the car in and wait. With synthetic 
> > give it an extra few seconds after the car starts and drive away...
> > -Curt
> > 
> >  From: Dan--- via Mercedes 
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> > Cc: "d...@penoff.com" 
> > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:13 AM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry
> > 
> > Curt,
> > 
> > Do you have that backwards? I can't imagine running 15W-50 in the winter in 
> > your neck of the woods. It would be like molasses, I would think.
> > 
> > I currently run Delo 15W-40 in the SDL with 3000 mile changes. I believe 
> > strongly in the interval more than the oil, so it doesn't make a lot of 
> > sense to use something like M1 in the car with that short of an interval.
> > 
> > A 2-1/2 gallon jug is around $26 at Wallyworld. Add $10 for a filter and an 
> > oil change costs me roughly $30. I will probably change oil 2-3 times this 
> > year.
> > 
> > Dan
> > 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPad
> > 
> >> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:49 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Why so hot for 20-50? I ran 15w40 in my 240Ds all summer and switched to 
> >> 15w50 M1 in the winter for easier cold starts.
> >> In a 60x engine you can do synthetic and change the oil less often but 
> >> IIRC you don't drive that much. If I ran conventional oil back when
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

Mine is a combination, I've got a Topsider that I hook my vacuum cleaner to had 
to make an adapter out of a soda can.
I probably won't use it the next time I change oil in the Golf, I put a 
magnetic drain plug in and I want to see what its caught if anything. Want to 
change the transmission oil while I'm down there so the belly pan has to come 
off anyway.
-Curt

  From: Larry T via Mercedes 
 To: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
Cc: Larry T 
 Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 1:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry
   
Is that a store bought or a home built pumping system? 
Thx 
LarryT 

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Cc: "d...@penoff.com"  
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:56:13 AM 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry 

I understand, since it's a synthetic I'm sure it flows far better in cold temps 
than a conventional oil. 

In the higher mileage M119s I've had I run 15W-50 M1 and change every 7500, 
maybe 10k in the older son's car, since his mileage is almost all highway. The 
only reason for using the higher viscosity oil is to keep idle pressures up in 
high temperatures. In both M119s with over 275k the idle pressure drops 
perilously close to 1.0 bar during the hottest times of the year with 
everything turned on. If I use the 15W-50 idle pressures are more like 1.5 bar 
under similar conditions. 

Time isn't an issue for me. If it's one of my cars, I just pull it into the 
garage, get out the vacuum extractor, pump it up, stick in the hose and go off 
to do something else. 30 minutes later I'll come back, swap the filter, fill it 
up with fresh oil and check levels. I spend 15 minutes total changing oil, if 
that. 

Dan 


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> On Sep 19, 2016, at 10:21 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
> 
> You'd think that until you play with both oils in the cold. The 15w40 
> conventional oil is almost solid at 0F, the 15w50 has barely changed, its a 
> little thicker but not much. I forget who gave me the idea, maybe Marshall 
> but its true. 
> Hmm, maybe I should make a video about it... 
> I'm exactly the opposite, having done some oil analysis I see no reason to 
> change the oil before its used up, it seems like a waste of money and a waste 
> of time, mostly the later actually. With both of my 190Ds analysis showed the 
> oil was still doing fine at 12,000 miles at which point I always got chicken. 
> It'd also tend to thicken a bit at that point and I could hear a difference 
> in cold starts. 
> From a money perspective you're paying say $90/yr plus your time. Mobil 1 
> 5w40 at Autozone here is $29/gal full price so you'd be almost 3 times the 
> cost in oil but 1/3 the cost in filters and 1/3 the time which for me is the 
> most valuable part. 
> Of course you don't have to worry about cold starts, at 0F with 15w40 
> conventional oil forget it, just plug the car in and wait. With synthetic 
> give it an extra few seconds after the car starts and drive away... 
> -Curt 
> 
> From: Dan--- via Mercedes  
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: "d...@penoff.com"  
> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:13 AM 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry 
> 
> Curt, 
> 
> Do you have that backwards? I can't imagine running 15W-50 in the winter in 
> your neck of the woods. It would be like molasses, I would think. 
> 
> I currently run Delo 15W-40 in the SDL with 3000 mile changes. I believe 
> strongly in the interval more than the oil, so it doesn't make a lot of sense 
> to use something like M1 in the car with that short of an interval. 
> 
> A 2-1/2 gallon jug is around $26 at Wallyworld. Add $10 for a filter and an 
> oil change costs me roughly $30. I will probably change oil 2-3 times this 
> year. 
> 
> Dan 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad 
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:49 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote: 
>> 
>> Why so hot for 20-50? I ran 15w40 in my 240Ds all summer and switched to 
>> 15w50 M1 in the winter for easier cold starts. 
>> In a 60x engine you can do synthetic and change the oil less often but IIRC 
>> you don't drive that much. If I ran conventional oil back when 


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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

Ditto's - But I guess it's common knowledge on this forum that the old "Change 
at 3000" was an advertising gimmick with no basis in fact. Depending on driving 
style, where you drive/temps and speeds over regular distances such as a 30 min 
drive on the interstate Vs 30 min of stop light to stop light stuff, regular 
oil is good for 5-6K and synthetics 8-9000 mi. (Although some will naturally 
drive more miles IMO. 
LarryT 

. 
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From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"  
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Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin"  
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:19:07 AM 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry 

Even with regular oil you should be able to easily go 5k miles. 

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> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:13 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote: 
> 
> Curt, 
> 
> Do you have that backwards? I can't imagine running 15W-50 in the winter in 
> your neck of the woods. It would be like molasses, I would think. 
> 
> I currently run Delo 15W-40 in the SDL with 3000 mile changes. I believe 
> strongly in the interval more than the oil, so it doesn't make a lot of sense 
> to use something like M1 in the car with that short of an interval. 
> 
> A 2-1/2 gallon jug is around $26 at Wallyworld. Add $10 for a filter and an 
> oil change costs me roughly $30. I will probably change oil 2-3 times this 
> year. 
> 
> Dan 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad 
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:49 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote: 
>> 
>> Why so hot for 20-50? I ran 15w40 in my 240Ds all summer and switched to 
>> 15w50 M1 in the winter for easier cold starts. 
>> In a 60x engine you can do synthetic and change the oil less often but IIRC 
>> you don't drive that much. If I ran conventional oil back when I used to 
>> commute all the time I'd have had to change the oil every other month... 
>> -Curt 
>> 
>> From: clay via Mercedes  
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
>> Cc: clay  
>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 11:12 PM 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry 
>> 
>> I had the oil debate over Polei. I figured that all the extra pennies for 
>> full synth would not be economical in the SDL, and standard diesel oil would 
>> be fine. The 20-50 is like hen’s teeth now. FLAPS guy said the call for 
>> something that thick is waning. Used only in diesels. My response was of the 
>> DUH! sort, as I was purchasing Diesel oil at the time and wanted to know if 
>> the 20-40 was going to be good enough 
>> 
>> clay 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote: 
>>> 
>>> I would also be curious about comparing to Delo full synthetic which is 
>>> what I have been using in the 606 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:23 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
  wrote: 
 
 Larry, 
 
 do you have any info or insight on how the valvoline full synthretic 
 compares to M1? I am curious if the base stocks are similar, and if the 
 performance is similar. I think I will use the Valvoline in the Merkun 
 engines, but after the bad experience with castrol so-called synthetic, I 
 am not sure I want to try it in an OM603. My 616s get so few miles that I 
 leave them on Mobil Dino oil. 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

Larry,
How much does the price drop? The European 5w40 for my VWs is $11.30/qt retail 
price.Liqui Moly 4100 5w40 from Amazon is only $8 with free shipping.
-Curt

  From: Larry Turnercatalina$27 via Mercedes 
 To: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
Cc: Larry Turnercatalina$27 
 Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 1:02 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry
   
Hey Curley!

I'm afraid I cannot be much help.  Over the past 5 years I have gone 
totally to AmsOil products and am extremely happy with them.  I use 
AmsOil full Synthetics in my Porsche 911 and 91 300D, but of course, I 
still see people who use all kinds of oils.  BTW, recent oil tests on 
all my vehicles and the tests came back extremely clean.  I was thrilled 
with the reports ;-)

The oil business is always playing with their formulas and I cannot keep 
up with them.  Sorry - I know nothing about Castrol's Synthetic and 
can't help there either.

Valvoline makes a great product but if you want to try something 
different I recommend Amsoil - I can sell it to you or you can get an 
inexpensive "dealership" which cuts your cost dramatically. Shipping is 
very reasonable as well.  I am very happy with it - it holds up well 
and does not seem to drop viscosity when the engine gets up to full temp.

Here's some info on the Amsoil Base Stocks:

http://knowledgebase.amsoil.com/KnowledgebaseArticle50176.aspx?Keywords=base+stocks

I don't like to appear to be advertising on this forum so I will reply 
privately to future comments.  I can help with pricing as well.

Have a great day!



On 9/18/2016 9:23 PM, Curley McLain wrote:
> Larry,
>
> do you have any info or insight on how the valvoline full synthretic 
> compares to M1?  I am curious if the base stocks are similar, and if 
> the performance is similar.  I think I will use the Valvoline in the 
> Merkun engines, but after the bad experience with castrol so-called 
> synthetic, I am not sure I want to try  it in an OM603.  My 616s get 
> so few miles that I leave them  on Mobil Dino oil.
>
> uhOh!  Nuther oel thread

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Question for the Martha S of laundry

2016-09-19 Thread Donald Snook via Mercedes

Mine is a Maytag.  It is the Centennial (I think). Top loader, no agitator.  
Huge capacity, but I don't think it cleans as well as our old Maytag. 

Don Snook 

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To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Question for the Martha S of laundry

When I heard Maytag was gonna quit building real "reliable" washing machines, 
(before they went under) I went out and bought a new set.  The dryer motor has 
been problematic, but the washing machine just works.  
So far, have not even needed to tip it up for a new belt.  Fantastic machines.

Bought an old set for #1 daughter 7 yrs ago.  they have been fine.  no problemo 
so far.

> Donald Snook via Mercedes  September 19, 
> 2016 at 8:29 AM My HE washer (which I hate and wish I had not bought) 
> works fine with regular detergent except it has some sort of sensor 
> and the wash cycle will take longer because it washes longer and 
> rinses more. I can't really explain it. It took a lot longer to run 
> through its cycles.
>
> We gave the regular stuff to the kids and buy the HE detergent.
>
> Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

Is that a store bought or a home built pumping system? 
Thx 
LarryT 

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Cc: "d...@penoff.com"  
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:56:13 AM 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry 

I understand, since it's a synthetic I'm sure it flows far better in cold temps 
than a conventional oil. 

In the higher mileage M119s I've had I run 15W-50 M1 and change every 7500, 
maybe 10k in the older son's car, since his mileage is almost all highway. The 
only reason for using the higher viscosity oil is to keep idle pressures up in 
high temperatures. In both M119s with over 275k the idle pressure drops 
perilously close to 1.0 bar during the hottest times of the year with 
everything turned on. If I use the 15W-50 idle pressures are more like 1.5 bar 
under similar conditions. 

Time isn't an issue for me. If it's one of my cars, I just pull it into the 
garage, get out the vacuum extractor, pump it up, stick in the hose and go off 
to do something else. 30 minutes later I'll come back, swap the filter, fill it 
up with fresh oil and check levels. I spend 15 minutes total changing oil, if 
that. 

Dan 


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> On Sep 19, 2016, at 10:21 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
> 
> You'd think that until you play with both oils in the cold. The 15w40 
> conventional oil is almost solid at 0F, the 15w50 has barely changed, its a 
> little thicker but not much. I forget who gave me the idea, maybe Marshall 
> but its true. 
> Hmm, maybe I should make a video about it... 
> I'm exactly the opposite, having done some oil analysis I see no reason to 
> change the oil before its used up, it seems like a waste of money and a waste 
> of time, mostly the later actually. With both of my 190Ds analysis showed the 
> oil was still doing fine at 12,000 miles at which point I always got chicken. 
> It'd also tend to thicken a bit at that point and I could hear a difference 
> in cold starts. 
> From a money perspective you're paying say $90/yr plus your time. Mobil 1 
> 5w40 at Autozone here is $29/gal full price so you'd be almost 3 times the 
> cost in oil but 1/3 the cost in filters and 1/3 the time which for me is the 
> most valuable part. 
> Of course you don't have to worry about cold starts, at 0F with 15w40 
> conventional oil forget it, just plug the car in and wait. With synthetic 
> give it an extra few seconds after the car starts and drive away... 
> -Curt 
> 
> From: Dan--- via Mercedes  
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: "d...@penoff.com"  
> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:13 AM 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry 
> 
> Curt, 
> 
> Do you have that backwards? I can't imagine running 15W-50 in the winter in 
> your neck of the woods. It would be like molasses, I would think. 
> 
> I currently run Delo 15W-40 in the SDL with 3000 mile changes. I believe 
> strongly in the interval more than the oil, so it doesn't make a lot of sense 
> to use something like M1 in the car with that short of an interval. 
> 
> A 2-1/2 gallon jug is around $26 at Wallyworld. Add $10 for a filter and an 
> oil change costs me roughly $30. I will probably change oil 2-3 times this 
> year. 
> 
> Dan 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad 
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:49 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote: 
>> 
>> Why so hot for 20-50? I ran 15w40 in my 240Ds all summer and switched to 
>> 15w50 M1 in the winter for easier cold starts. 
>> In a 60x engine you can do synthetic and change the oil less often but IIRC 
>> you don't drive that much. If I ran conventional oil back when 


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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

I start getting nervous at oil change intervals above 8000 or 9000. I have been 
changing the synthetic oil in both the 911 and the 91 300D at 8000 miles. So 
far, the oil analysis are showing I am seeing slow wear rates. Also, we've had 
a lot of 90+ temps - it seemed like all of August was above 90 - and I have a 
water tempo issue I am fighting so I don't want to push the oil further than 
needed. 
LarryT 

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Cc: "Curt Raymond"  
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 11:03:42 AM 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry 

With a gas car I bet you could go to 15k easily, especially if the miles are 
all on the highway. Oil analysis would tell you for sure, it would also give 
you a good idea whats going on inside the engine. 
My '85 190D had high iron levels in the oil when I bought it so I shortened the 
OCI (oil change interval) for the first couple changes. As the iron levels 
steadily dropped in each change I lengthened the OCI to 10k miles. Without 
analysis I wouldn't have known about the iron and wouldn't have known what OCI 
I could use. 
-Curt 

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry 

I understand, since it's a synthetic I'm sure it flows far better in cold temps 
than a conventional oil. 

In the higher mileage M119s I've had I run 15W-50 M1 and change every 7500, 
maybe 10k in the older son's car, since his mileage is almost all highway. The 
only reason for using the higher viscosity oil is to keep idle pressures up in 
high temperatures. In both M119s with over 275k the idle pressure drops 
perilously close to 1.0 bar during the hottest times of the year with 
everything turned on. If I use the 15W-50 idle pressures are more like 1.5 bar 
under similar conditions. 

Time isn't an issue for me. If it's one of my cars, I just pull it into the 
garage, get out the vacuum extractor, pump it up, stick in the hose and go off 
to do something else. 30 minutes later I'll come back, swap the filter, fill it 
up with fresh oil and check levels. I spend 15 minutes total changing oil, if 
that. 

Dan 


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> On Sep 19, 2016, at 10:21 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
> 
> You'd think that until you play with both oils in the cold. The 15w40 
> conventional oil is almost solid at 0F, the 15w50 has barely changed, its a 
> little thicker but not much. I forget who gave me the idea, maybe Marshall 
> but its true. 
> Hmm, maybe I should make a video about it... 
> I'm exactly the opposite, having done some oil analysis I see no reason to 
> change the oil before its used up, it seems like a waste of money and a waste 
> of time, mostly the later actually. With both of my 190Ds analysis showed the 
> oil was still doing fine at 12,000 miles at which point I always got chicken. 
> It'd also tend to thicken a bit at that point and I could hear a difference 
> in cold starts. 
> From a money perspective you're paying say $90/yr plus your time. Mobil 1 
> 5w40 at Autozone here is $29/gal full price so you'd be almost 3 times the 
> cost in oil but 1/3 the cost in filters and 1/3 the time which for me is the 
> most valuable part. 
> Of course you don't have to worry about cold starts, at 0F with 15w40 
> conventional oil forget it, just plug the car in and wait. With synthetic 
> give it an extra few seconds after the car starts and drive away... 
> -Curt 
> 
> From: Dan--- via Mercedes  
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> Cc: "d...@penoff.com"  
> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:13 AM 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry 
> 
> Curt, 
> 
> Do you have that backwards? I can't imagine running 15W-50 in the winter in 
> your neck of the woods. It would be like molasses, I would think. 
> 
> I currently run Delo 15W-40 in the SDL with 3000 mile changes. I believe 
> strongly in the interval more than the oil, so it doesn't make a lot of sense 
> to use something like M1 in the car with that short of an interval. 
> 
> A 2-1/2 gallon jug is around $26 at Wallyworld. Add $10 for a filter and an 
> oil change costs me roughly $30. I will probably change oil 2-3 times this 
> year. 
> 
> Dan 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad 
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:49 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote: 
>> 
>> Why so hot for 20-50? I ran 15w40 in my 240Ds all summer and switched to 
>> 15w50 M1 in the winter for easier cold starts. 
>> In a 60x engine you can do synthetic and change the oil less often but IIRC 
>> you don't drive that much. If I ran conventional oil back when 


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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

2016-09-19 Thread Larry Turnercatalina$27 via Mercedes


Hey Curley!

I'm afraid I cannot be much help.  Over the past 5 years I have gone 
totally to AmsOil products and am extremely happy with them.   I use 
AmsOil full Synthetics in my Porsche 911 and 91 300D, but of course, I 
still see people who use all kinds of oils.  BTW, recent oil tests on 
all my vehicles and the tests came back extremely clean.  I was thrilled 
with the reports ;-)


The oil business is always playing with their formulas and I cannot keep 
up with them.  Sorry - I know nothing about Castrol's Synthetic and 
can't help there either.


Valvoline makes a great product but if you want to try something 
different I recommend Amsoil - I can sell it to you or you can get an 
inexpensive "dealership" which cuts your cost dramatically. Shipping is 
very reasonable as well.   I am very happy with it - it holds up well 
and does not seem to drop viscosity when the engine gets up to full temp.


Here's some info on the Amsoil Base Stocks:

http://knowledgebase.amsoil.com/KnowledgebaseArticle50176.aspx?Keywords=base+stocks

I don't like to appear to be advertising on this forum so I will reply 
privately to future comments.  I can help with pricing as well.


Have a great day!



On 9/18/2016 9:23 PM, Curley McLain wrote:

Larry,

do you have any info or insight on how the valvoline full synthretic 
compares to M1?   I am curious if the base stocks are similar, and if 
the performance is similar.  I think I will use the Valvoline in the 
Merkun engines, but after the bad experience with castrol so-called 
synthetic, I am not sure I want to try  it in an OM603.   My 616s get 
so few miles that I leave them  on Mobil Dino oil.


uhOh!  Nuther oel thread


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Re: [MBZ] o'bungler's chickens coming home to roost

As always a lot of people think the president can do a lot more than he 
actually can...
-Curt

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 Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 12:04 PM
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> On September 19, 2016 at 11:50 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Nothing to joke about.
> 

Who's joking?
The foaming at the mouth Social Justice Warriors are going batshit crazy over
the possibility of a Trump presidency. They actually believe he's going to roll
back the clock on 85 years of Socialist Progress if elected. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] o'bungler's chickens coming home to roost

2016-09-19 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes

Mitch wrote:
> Who's joking?
> The foaming at the mouth Social Justice Warriors are going batshit crazy over
> the possibility of a Trump presidency. They actually believe he's going to 
> roll
> back the clock on 85 years of Socialist Progress if elected.

Yes, turn on the radio.  There is nothing but idiot politics for over
2-years anymore.  Socialist Progress is the demand of citizenship I
refuse.  Although... I remain...
mao - firm in my communism... maybe...

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Question for the Martha S of laundry

2016-09-19 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes

--Achmed wrote:
> Try some of that Kaboom! detergent, sounds like it might contain some HE.

Does that work in pressure cookers?
mao - always looking to do sumthin' bad to da peeple

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Re: [MBZ] o'bungler's chickens coming home to roost

> On September 19, 2016 at 11:50 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Nothing to joke about.
> 

Who's joking?
The foaming at the mouth Social Justice Warriors are going batshit crazy over
the possibility of a Trump presidency. They actually believe he's going to roll
back the clock on 85 years of Socialist Progress if elected. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

I sure miss the $6/gallon prices for Delo at Costco.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Strange effect

It's an easy test, use an insulator to poke it next time.  A glass?

My money's on an electrical effect, not mechanical.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] o'bungler's chickens coming home to roost

2016-09-19 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

Nothing to joke about.

On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Max wrote:
> > That'll be the "October Surprise", Dubya will endorse Trump?
>
> Along with an assassination attempt.  On the Donald.
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] o'bungler's chickens coming home to roost

2016-09-19 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes

Max wrote:
> That'll be the "October Surprise", Dubya will endorse Trump?

Along with an assassination attempt.  On the Donald.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Question for the Martha S of laundry

2016-09-19 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

The HE washer cycles do take longer and really make a racket, but I've
grown used to it.

On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 9:35 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> When I heard Maytag was gonna quit building real "reliable" washing
> machines, (before they went under) I went out and bought a new set.  The
> dryer motor has been problematic, but the washing machine just works.  So
> far, have not even needed to tip it up for a new belt.  Fantastic machines.
>
> Bought an old set for #1 daughter 7 yrs ago.  they have been fine.  no
> problemo so far.
>
> Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>> September 19, 2016 at 8:29 AM
>> My HE washer (which I hate and wish I had not bought) works fine with
>> regular detergent except it has some sort of sensor and the wash cycle will
>> take longer because it washes longer and rinses more. I can't really
>> explain it. It took a lot longer to run through its cycles.
>>
>> We gave the regular stuff to the kids and buy the HE detergent.
>>
>> Donald H. Snook
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Strange effect

You like in a humid climate.  In HI, I spent a lot of time polishing the 
contacts on fluorescent fixtures.  Here, I have had to polish the 
contacts for the starters on the 15W tube lights.   I suspect touching 
the bulb moves it enough to make contact at the ends.  in daily use, the 
oxidation does not get as thick, s a small bump can do it.



archer75--- via Mercedes 
September 19, 2016 at 9:42 AM
2 years ago I replaced he transformers in the four tube light assembly 
over the sink. The last few weeks sometimes one, sometimes two of the 
bulbs on the same shared transformer didn't come on until I twisted 
one of them in its sockets.
Yesterday I found that just touching the glass in the middle of the 
tube was all that was needed to make it come on. I've done that 
repeatedly and every time the tube(s) light up as bright as usual.
The only thing I can think of is some sort of capacitance effect that 
lets weak voltage/amperage from the dying transformer ionize enough of 
the gas to complete the circuit.
The primary cause is probably the Chinese transformer from Home Depot 
since neither of the new bulbs is affected.

Gerry


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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

With a gas car I bet you could go to 15k easily, especially if the miles are 
all on the highway. Oil analysis would tell you for sure, it would also give 
you a good idea whats going on inside the engine.
My '85 190D had high iron levels in the oil when I bought it so I shortened the 
OCI (oil change interval) for the first couple changes. As the iron levels 
steadily dropped in each change I lengthened the OCI to 10k miles. Without 
analysis I wouldn't have known about the iron and wouldn't have known what OCI 
I could use.
-Curt

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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry
   
I understand, since it's a synthetic I'm sure it flows far better in cold temps 
than a conventional oil.

In the higher mileage M119s I've had I run 15W-50 M1 and change every 7500, 
maybe 10k in the older son's car, since his mileage is almost all highway. The 
only reason for using the higher viscosity oil is to keep idle pressures up in 
high temperatures. In both M119s with over 275k the idle pressure drops 
perilously close to 1.0 bar during the hottest times of the year with 
everything turned on.  If I use the 15W-50 idle pressures are more like 1.5 bar 
under similar conditions.

Time isn't an issue for me. If it's one of my cars, I just pull it into the 
garage, get out the vacuum extractor, pump it up, stick in the hose and go off 
to do something else. 30 minutes later I'll come back, swap the filter, fill it 
up with fresh oil and check levels. I spend 15 minutes total changing oil, if 
that.

Dan


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> On Sep 19, 2016, at 10:21 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You'd think that until you play with both oils in the cold. The 15w40 
> conventional oil is almost solid at 0F, the 15w50 has barely changed, its a 
> little thicker but not much. I forget who gave me the idea, maybe Marshall 
> but its true.
> Hmm, maybe I should make a video about it...
> I'm exactly the opposite, having done some oil analysis I see no reason to 
> change the oil before its used up, it seems like a waste of money and a waste 
> of time, mostly the later actually. With both of my 190Ds analysis showed the 
> oil was still doing fine at 12,000 miles at which point I always got chicken. 
> It'd also tend to thicken a bit at that point and I could hear a difference 
> in cold starts.
> From a money perspective you're paying say $90/yr plus your time. Mobil 1 
> 5w40 at Autozone here is $29/gal full price so you'd be almost 3 times the 
> cost in oil but 1/3 the cost in filters and 1/3 the time which for me is the 
> most valuable part.
> Of course you don't have to worry about cold starts, at 0F with 15w40 
> conventional oil forget it, just plug the car in and wait. With synthetic 
> give it an extra few seconds after the car starts and drive away...
> -Curt
> 
>      From: Dan--- via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: "d...@penoff.com" 
> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry
> 
> Curt,
> 
> Do you have that backwards? I can't imagine running 15W-50 in the winter in 
> your neck of the woods. It would be like molasses, I would think.
> 
> I currently run Delo 15W-40 in the SDL with 3000 mile changes. I believe 
> strongly in the interval more than the oil, so it doesn't make a lot of sense 
> to use something like M1 in the car with that short of an interval.
> 
> A 2-1/2 gallon jug is around $26 at Wallyworld. Add $10 for a filter and an 
> oil change costs me roughly $30. I will probably change oil 2-3 times this 
> year.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:49 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Why so hot for 20-50? I ran 15w40 in my 240Ds all summer and switched to 
>> 15w50 M1 in the winter for easier cold starts.
>> In a 60x engine you can do synthetic and change the oil less often but IIRC 
>> you don't drive that much. If I ran conventional oil back when


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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

The Delo 400 LE in the 2.5 gallon jugs at Dead Sam's is more than adequate. At 
around $26/jug it's not expensive, either.

Dan

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> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:12 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I had the oil debate over Polei.  I figured that all the extra pennies for 
> full synth would not be economical in the SDL, and standard diesel oil would 
> be fine.  The 20-50 is like hen’s teeth now.  FLAPS guy said the call for 
> something that thick is waning.  Used only in diesels.  My response was of 
> the DUH! sort, as I was purchasing Diesel oil at the time and wanted to know 
> if the 20-40 was going to be good enough
> 
> clay
> 
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I would also be curious about comparing to Delo full synthetic which is what 
>> I have been using in the 606
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:23 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Larry,
>>> 
>>> do you have any info or insight on how the valvoline full synthretic 
>>> compares to M1?   I am curious if the base stocks are similar, and if the 
>>> performance is similar.  I think I will use the Valvoline in the Merkun 
>>> engines, but after the bad experience with castrol so-called synthetic, I 
>>> am not sure I want to try  it in an OM603.   My 616s get so few miles that 
>>> I leave them  on Mobil Dino oil.
>>> 
>>> uhOh!  Nuther oel thread
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Re: [MBZ] Strange effect

I have a similar problem with a 2 bulb unit in our kitchen, in our case I think 
its the bulbs since they came with the house when we bought it 10 years ago. My 
plan is to replace them with LEDs but since we almost never use the big 
fluorescent fixture I'm also thinking I might replace the whole thing with a 
much smaller fixture and move the big fixture into the basement. I'd still 
replace the tubes with LED tubes though...
-Curt

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 Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:42 AM
 Subject: [MBZ] Strange effect

2 years ago I replaced he transformers in the four tube light assembly over the 
sink. The last few weeks sometimes one, sometimes two of the bulbs on the same 
shared transformer didn't come on until I twisted one of them in its sockets.
Yesterday I found that just touching the glass in the middle of the tube was 
all that was needed to make it come on. I've done that repeatedly and every 
time the tube(s) light up as bright as usual.
The only thing I can think of is some sort of capacitance effect that lets weak 
voltage/amperage from the dying transformer ionize enough of the gas to 
complete the circuit.
The primary cause is probably the Chinese transformer from Home Depot since 
neither of the new bulbs is affected.
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] Clear Coat Question

I may not have been clear on that (no pun intended.)

The finishes I saw that failed consistently were almost all clear coated.

As Bob will probably concur, the damage the sun can do to any finish down here 
is pretty amazing.

On a related note, I have a friend who has a cattle ranch out in a rural part 
of the county. Right next door to them is a state university site where they 
test paint finishes for environmental exposure.  They have this area with all 
of these panels with paint samples on them that are left out in the elements 
for years to see how they're affected.

Dan

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> On Sep 19, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Do you think my '83 had been repainted? I'd thought it would have had a 
> single stage paint. I seem to remember this argument going around before...
> 
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Dan--- via Mercedes 
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> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clear Coat Question
> 
> The 1980s were really bad for Mercedes when it came to paint and clear coat. 
> When I first moved to Florida in the mid 90s and was looking for cars I saw 
> lots and lots of 80s era MBs with failed clear coats, base coats and 
> "courtesy repaints."
> 
> I have to believe the formulations or application, whichever caused the 
> premature failures, was addressed by the late 80s, as the occurrences seem to 
> be far less common.
> 
> This is my main reason to sticking to single stage colors, like white and 
> black. That and it's pretty much impossible to recover a finish if it's clear 
> coated.
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't live in a hot place but I've never seen a car newer than 10 years 
>> old with a failed clearcoat. The CC on our '05 Golf is fine, the '04 Ranger 
>> CC was still fine when we got rid of it. The only car I ever had with failed 
>> clearcoat was my '83 240D which must have been a cheap repaint.
>> I travel to California often (in 2 weeks as a matter of fact) and I don't 
>> see a ton of cars there with failed clear coat and you see old cars driving 
>> around LA all the time...
>> -Curt
>> 
>>   From: clay via Mercedes 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
>> Cc: clay 
>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 10:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clear Coat Question
>> 
>> Not sure about hot spaces, but in the wet PNW, if the dang paint failed in 
>> two years, the car was off to the dealer under warrantee.  I had a few 
>> neighbors who had the chrysler POS paint and ended up with new paint on the 
>> car.  The newer coating lasted more than a few years.
>> 
>> Though a black or dark car is pretty spiffy, in a warm environment, the 
>> lighter colors are more in vogue.  Or at least they were when I lived in 
>> warm environments.  A blue was more pastel, red


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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

I understand, since it's a synthetic I'm sure it flows far better in cold temps 
than a conventional oil.

In the higher mileage M119s I've had I run 15W-50 M1 and change every 7500, 
maybe 10k in the older son's car, since his mileage is almost all highway. The 
only reason for using the higher viscosity oil is to keep idle pressures up in 
high temperatures. In both M119s with over 275k the idle pressure drops 
perilously close to 1.0 bar during the hottest times of the year with 
everything turned on.  If I use the 15W-50 idle pressures are more like 1.5 bar 
under similar conditions.

Time isn't an issue for me. If it's one of my cars, I just pull it into the 
garage, get out the vacuum extractor, pump it up, stick in the hose and go off 
to do something else. 30 minutes later I'll come back, swap the filter, fill it 
up with fresh oil and check levels. I spend 15 minutes total changing oil, if 
that.

Dan


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> On Sep 19, 2016, at 10:21 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You'd think that until you play with both oils in the cold. The 15w40 
> conventional oil is almost solid at 0F, the 15w50 has barely changed, its a 
> little thicker but not much. I forget who gave me the idea, maybe Marshall 
> but its true.
> Hmm, maybe I should make a video about it...
> I'm exactly the opposite, having done some oil analysis I see no reason to 
> change the oil before its used up, it seems like a waste of money and a waste 
> of time, mostly the later actually. With both of my 190Ds analysis showed the 
> oil was still doing fine at 12,000 miles at which point I always got chicken. 
> It'd also tend to thicken a bit at that point and I could hear a difference 
> in cold starts.
> From a money perspective you're paying say $90/yr plus your time. Mobil 1 
> 5w40 at Autozone here is $29/gal full price so you'd be almost 3 times the 
> cost in oil but 1/3 the cost in filters and 1/3 the time which for me is the 
> most valuable part.
> Of course you don't have to worry about cold starts, at 0F with 15w40 
> conventional oil forget it, just plug the car in and wait. With synthetic 
> give it an extra few seconds after the car starts and drive away...
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Dan--- via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: "d...@penoff.com" 
> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry
> 
> Curt,
> 
> Do you have that backwards? I can't imagine running 15W-50 in the winter in 
> your neck of the woods. It would be like molasses, I would think.
> 
> I currently run Delo 15W-40 in the SDL with 3000 mile changes. I believe 
> strongly in the interval more than the oil, so it doesn't make a lot of sense 
> to use something like M1 in the car with that short of an interval.
> 
> A 2-1/2 gallon jug is around $26 at Wallyworld. Add $10 for a filter and an 
> oil change costs me roughly $30. I will probably change oil 2-3 times this 
> year.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:49 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Why so hot for 20-50? I ran 15w40 in my 240Ds all summer and switched to 
>> 15w50 M1 in the winter for easier cold starts.
>> In a 60x engine you can do synthetic and change the oil less often but IIRC 
>> you don't drive that much. If I ran conventional oil back when


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Re: [MBZ] o'bungler's chickens coming home to roost

2016-09-19 Thread G Mann via Mercedes

Just to throw a little gasoline on the camp fire, I would like to posit
that since the Democrat party is scrambling to replace Hillary at the last
minute because they have finally determined she is likely not healthy
enough to finish the run, they select Jeb Bush.

He is after all well qualified, being an "Undocumented Democrat" and more
closely aligned with the Democrat platform than the Republican. Plus.. he
so is full of industrial strength butt hurt over being "Trumped" he just
might be "energized" for a change..

My apology to anyone I have not pissed off.. I'll get to you soon...

Grant...

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> > On September 19, 2016 at 9:01 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > Dubya will endorse Trump?
>
> Good question.
> There was a lot of visible Bush family butthurt over J E Bush not getting
> his
> turn at the White House last year, but I don't recall GeeDubYou being one
> to
> publicly express it. JayEee signed a presidential candidate unity pledge
> before
> breaking it after Trump won, claiming that Trump wanted to discriminate
> against
> immigrants like JayEee's wife. Apparently the ex governor of Florida still
> can't
> figure out the difference between immigrants like his wife and illegal
> aliens
> like Francisco Sanchez. If I were Columba Bush, I'd be pissed as heck at
> the
> jackass I was married to for equating me to criminals like that.
>
> Mitch.
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[MBZ] Strange effect

2 years ago I replaced he transformers in the four tube light assembly over the 
sink. The last few weeks sometimes one, sometimes two of the bulbs on the same 
shared transformer didn't come on until I twisted one of them in its sockets.
Yesterday I found that just touching the glass in the middle of the tube was 
all that was needed to make it come on. I've done that repeatedly and every 
time the tube(s) light up as bright as usual.
The only thing I can think of is some sort of capacitance effect that lets weak 
voltage/amperage from the dying transformer ionize enough of the gas to 
complete the circuit.
The primary cause is probably the Chinese transformer from Home Depot since 
neither of the new bulbs is affected.
Gerry

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[MBZ] Transmission oil

While we're having oil threads I figured I'd toss out this:
Angie's '05 Golf has a notchy 1st gear shift. Particularly if you're rolling 
backwards slightly when you put it into 1st it'll make a crunch noise. It 
doesn't seem to hurt anything and is a common complaint on these cars. My '98 
Jetta has the same transmission (mostly) but doesn't do the crunch. 
The difference? My '98 has Redline MTL in it, hers has VW spec stuff. The VW 
stuff is very thin, like ATF or thinner. The MTL isn't much thicker but 
apparently that thickness makes a difference.
When I make the next oil change I'm going to put MTL in her car, I should make 
a video and see if it makes a difference.
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] o'bungler's chickens coming home to roost

> On September 19, 2016 at 9:01 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> Dubya will endorse Trump?

Good question. 
There was a lot of visible Bush family butthurt over J E Bush not getting his
turn at the White House last year, but I don't recall GeeDubYou being one to
publicly express it. JayEee signed a presidential candidate unity pledge before
breaking it after Trump won, claiming that Trump wanted to discriminate against
immigrants like JayEee's wife. Apparently the ex governor of Florida still can't
figure out the difference between immigrants like his wife and illegal aliens
like Francisco Sanchez. If I were Columba Bush, I'd be pissed as heck at the
jackass I was married to for equating me to criminals like that. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

Roger, 
I think you've got a little extra in your oil description. Mobil 1 Delvac is 
5w40 synthetic oil. 
Mobil Delvac (no 1) is 15w40 conventional oil.
I think you mean the latter. If you were changing the former at 3K you were 
wasting oil for no reason.
In a 61x engine I never went over 8,000 miles, the soot levels would force a 
change. Thats why I ran conventional oil in the summer time. In the winter I 
needed the superior cold starts synthetic gave me so I used synthetic and 
changed at 8k.
I don't miss changing oil in the winter time. Both VWs are getting due for a 
change, I'll have an oil change party in October and do both. We're not driving 
as much as we used to this should last me a year. Actually the Jetta I'll 
probably be early on but I don't want to do it in February...
-Curt

  From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
 To: "List, Mercedes"  
Cc: roger...@comcast.net
 Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:25 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry
   
I'll add my usual different opinion on oil. I've used Mobil 1 Delvac 15x40 in 
my two old 617s for around 20 years. Neither one has had the head off nor any 
engine problems. One has around 425,000 miles and the other around 360,000 
miles. I tried the other oils at first (Delo, Shell, etc.), but Delvac kept the 
oil pressure slightly higher when hot, was fine in the Winter (although I live 
in the Atlanta area, but have seen some cold), and really keeps the soot and 
dirt in circulation so it all drains out at the oil change. I always encourage 
people to use what works for them. I'm just passing on what has worked for 
years for me. And yes I used to drive a lot so I changed oil every 3K and that 
was sometimes every 1.5-2 months. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

You'd think that until you play with both oils in the cold. The 15w40 
conventional oil is almost solid at 0F, the 15w50 has barely changed, its a 
little thicker but not much. I forget who gave me the idea, maybe Marshall but 
its true.
Hmm, maybe I should make a video about it...
I'm exactly the opposite, having done some oil analysis I see no reason to 
change the oil before its used up, it seems like a waste of money and a waste 
of time, mostly the later actually. With both of my 190Ds analysis showed the 
oil was still doing fine at 12,000 miles at which point I always got chicken. 
It'd also tend to thicken a bit at that point and I could hear a difference in 
cold starts.
From a money perspective you're paying say $90/yr plus your time. Mobil 1 5w40 
at Autozone here is $29/gal full price so you'd be almost 3 times the cost in 
oil but 1/3 the cost in filters and 1/3 the time which for me is the most 
valuable part.
Of course you don't have to worry about cold starts, at 0F with 15w40 
conventional oil forget it, just plug the car in and wait. With synthetic give 
it an extra few seconds after the car starts and drive away...
-Curt

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Cc: "d...@penoff.com" 
 Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:13 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry
   
Curt,

Do you have that backwards? I can't imagine running 15W-50 in the winter in 
your neck of the woods. It would be like molasses, I would think.

I currently run Delo 15W-40 in the SDL with 3000 mile changes. I believe 
strongly in the interval more than the oil, so it doesn't make a lot of sense 
to use something like M1 in the car with that short of an interval.

A 2-1/2 gallon jug is around $26 at Wallyworld. Add $10 for a filter and an oil 
change costs me roughly $30. I will probably change oil 2-3 times this year.

Dan


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> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:49 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Why so hot for 20-50? I ran 15w40 in my 240Ds all summer and switched to 
> 15w50 M1 in the winter for easier cold starts.
> In a 60x engine you can do synthetic and change the oil less often but IIRC 
> you don't drive that much. If I ran conventional oil back when I used to 
> commute all the time I'd have had to change the oil every other month...
> -Curt
> 
>      From: clay via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: clay 
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 11:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry
> 
> I had the oil debate over Polei.  I figured that all the extra pennies for 
> full synth would not be economical in the SDL, and standard diesel oil would 
> be fine.  The 20-50 is like hen’s teeth now.  FLAPS guy said the call for 
> something that thick is waning.  Used only in diesels.  My response was of 
> the DUH! sort, as I was purchasing Diesel oil at the time and wanted to know 
> if the 20-40 was going to be good enough
> 
> clay
> 
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I would also be curious about comparing to Delo full synthetic which is what 
>> I have been using in the 606
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:23 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Larry,
>>> 
>>> do you have any info or insight on how the valvoline full synthretic 
>>> compares to M1?  I am curious if the base stocks are similar, and if the 
>>> performance is similar.  I think I will use the Valvoline in the Merkun 
>>> engines, but after the bad experience with castrol so-called synthetic, I 
>>> am not sure I want to try  it in an OM603.  My 616s get so few miles that I 
>>> leave them  on Mobil Dino oil.
>>> 
>>> uhOh!  Nuther oel thread
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Re: [MBZ] Clear Coat Question

Do you think my '83 had been repainted? I'd thought it would have had a single 
stage paint. I seem to remember this argument going around before...

-Curt

  From: Dan--- via Mercedes 
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 Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clear Coat Question
   
The 1980s were really bad for Mercedes when it came to paint and clear coat. 
When I first moved to Florida in the mid 90s and was looking for cars I saw 
lots and lots of 80s era MBs with failed clear coats, base coats and "courtesy 
repaints."

I have to believe the formulations or application, whichever caused the 
premature failures, was addressed by the late 80s, as the occurrences seem to 
be far less common.

This is my main reason to sticking to single stage colors, like white and 
black. That and it's pretty much impossible to recover a finish if it's clear 
coated.

Dan

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> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't live in a hot place but I've never seen a car newer than 10 years old 
> with a failed clearcoat. The CC on our '05 Golf is fine, the '04 Ranger CC 
> was still fine when we got rid of it. The only car I ever had with failed 
> clearcoat was my '83 240D which must have been a cheap repaint.
> I travel to California often (in 2 weeks as a matter of fact) and I don't see 
> a ton of cars there with failed clear coat and you see old cars driving 
> around LA all the time...
> -Curt
> 
>      From: clay via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: clay 
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 10:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clear Coat Question
> 
> Not sure about hot spaces, but in the wet PNW, if the dang paint failed in 
> two years, the car was off to the dealer under warrantee.  I had a few 
> neighbors who had the chrysler POS paint and ended up with new paint on the 
> car.  The newer coating lasted more than a few years.
> 
> Though a black or dark car is pretty spiffy, in a warm environment, the 
> lighter colors are more in vogue.  Or at least they were when I lived in warm 
> environments.  A blue was more pastel, reds were .. well, red.  Light green, 
> orange, white, silver, all colors that would not suck up calories, which 
> might scorch a kid should it touch it.  AT that time, not too many cars were 
> AC equipped, so interiors were light if not fabric.
> 
> clay
> 
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> In the case of cars in hot places, do people get them repainted with a solid 
>> color after a couple years, or just drive around with the clear peeling?  
>> Probably, it depends.  The old pickup does not get painted.  But does the 2 
>> yr old car used for business?
>> 
>> My only experience was with Livingston, CA and people there seemed to 
>> repaint the cars and trucks in a solid white.  But that was maybe 15 years 
>> ago when clear was not as prevalent.  Made sense to me, it you were going to 
>> live in a hot place...
>> 
>>> G Mann via Mercedes 
>>> September 18, 2016 at 12:27 AM
>>> Clear coat paint is a programmed failure. Mechanically, sunlight passes
>>> through the clear coat, is reflected by the base coat, which is smooth and
>>> refle


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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

2016-09-19 Thread rogerhga--- via Mercedes

I'll add my usual different opinion on oil. I've used Mobil 1 Delvac 15x40 in 
my two old 617s for around 20 years. Neither one has had the head off nor any 
engine problems. One has around 425,000 miles and the other around 360,000 
miles. I tried the other oils at first (Delo, Shell, etc.), but Delvac kept the 
oil pressure slightly higher when hot, was fine in the Winter (although I live 
in the Atlanta area, but have seen some cold), and really keeps the soot and 
dirt in circulation so it all drains out at the oil change. I always encourage 
people to use what works for them. I'm just passing on what has worked for 
years for me. And yes I used to drive a lot so I changed oil every 3K and that 
was sometimes every 1.5-2 months. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

Old habits die hard, and with the limited mileage I do, an extra change a year 
isn't a significant cost.

Dan

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> On Sep 19, 2016, at 10:19 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Even with regular oil you should be able to easily go 5k miles.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:13 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Curt,
>> 
>> Do you have that backwards? I can't imagine running 15W-50 in the winter in 
>> your neck of the woods. It would be like molasses, I would think.
>> 
>> I currently run Delo 15W-40 in the SDL with 3000 mile changes. I believe 
>> strongly in the interval more than the oil, so it doesn't make a lot of 
>> sense to use something like M1 in the car with that short of an interval.
>> 
>> A 2-1/2 gallon jug is around $26 at Wallyworld. Add $10 for a filter and an 
>> oil change costs me roughly $30. I will probably change oil 2-3 times this 
>> year.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:49 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Why so hot for 20-50? I ran 15w40 in my 240Ds all summer and switched to 
>>> 15w50 M1 in the winter for easier cold starts.
>>> In a 60x engine you can do synthetic and change the oil less often but IIRC 
>>> you don't drive that much. If I ran conventional oil back when I used to 
>>> commute all the time I'd have had to change the oil every other month...
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>>From: clay via Mercedes 
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
>>> Cc: clay 
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 11:12 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry
>>> 
>>> I had the oil debate over Polei.  I figured that all the extra pennies for 
>>> full synth would not be economical in the SDL, and standard diesel oil 
>>> would be fine.  The 20-50 is like hen’s teeth now.  FLAPS guy said the call 
>>> for something that thick is waning.  Used only in diesels.  My response was 
>>> of the DUH! sort, as I was purchasing Diesel oil at the time and wanted to 
>>> know if the 20-40 was going to be good enough
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 I would also be curious about comparing to Delo full synthetic which is 
 what I have been using in the 606
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:23 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Larry,
> 
> do you have any info or insight on how the valvoline full synthretic 
> compares to M1?  I am curious if the base stocks are similar, and if the 
> performance is similar.  I think I will use the Valvoline in the Merkun 
> engines, but after the bad experience with castrol so-called synthetic, I 
> am not sure I want to try  it in an OM603.  My 616s get so few miles that 
> I leave them  on Mobil Dino oil.
> 
> uhOh!  Nuther oel thread
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Re: [MBZ] Clear Coat Question

The 1980s were really bad for Mercedes when it came to paint and clear coat. 
When I first moved to Florida in the mid 90s and was looking for cars I saw 
lots and lots of 80s era MBs with failed clear coats, base coats and "courtesy 
repaints."

I have to believe the formulations or application, whichever caused the 
premature failures, was addressed by the late 80s, as the occurrences seem to 
be far less common.

This is my main reason to sticking to single stage colors, like white and 
black. That and it's pretty much impossible to recover a finish if it's clear 
coated.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't live in a hot place but I've never seen a car newer than 10 years old 
> with a failed clearcoat. The CC on our '05 Golf is fine, the '04 Ranger CC 
> was still fine when we got rid of it. The only car I ever had with failed 
> clearcoat was my '83 240D which must have been a cheap repaint.
> I travel to California often (in 2 weeks as a matter of fact) and I don't see 
> a ton of cars there with failed clear coat and you see old cars driving 
> around LA all the time...
> -Curt
> 
>  From: clay via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: clay 
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 10:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clear Coat Question
> 
> Not sure about hot spaces, but in the wet PNW, if the dang paint failed in 
> two years, the car was off to the dealer under warrantee.  I had a few 
> neighbors who had the chrysler POS paint and ended up with new paint on the 
> car.  The newer coating lasted more than a few years.
> 
> Though a black or dark car is pretty spiffy, in a warm environment, the 
> lighter colors are more in vogue.  Or at least they were when I lived in warm 
> environments.  A blue was more pastel, reds were .. well, red.  Light green, 
> orange, white, silver, all colors that would not suck up calories, which 
> might scorch a kid should it touch it.  AT that time, not too many cars were 
> AC equipped, so interiors were light if not fabric.
> 
> clay
> 
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> In the case of cars in hot places, do people get them repainted with a solid 
>> color after a couple years, or just drive around with the clear peeling?  
>> Probably, it depends.  The old pickup does not get painted.  But does the 2 
>> yr old car used for business?
>> 
>> My only experience was with Livingston, CA and people there seemed to 
>> repaint the cars and trucks in a solid white.  But that was maybe 15 years 
>> ago when clear was not as prevalent.  Made sense to me, it you were going to 
>> live in a hot place...
>> 
>>> G Mann via Mercedes 
>>> September 18, 2016 at 12:27 AM
>>> Clear coat paint is a programmed failure. Mechanically, sunlight passes
>>> through the clear coat, is reflected by the base coat, which is smooth and
>>> refle


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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

2016-09-19 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes

Even with regular oil you should be able to easily go 5k miles.

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> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:13 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Curt,
> 
> Do you have that backwards? I can't imagine running 15W-50 in the winter in 
> your neck of the woods. It would be like molasses, I would think.
> 
> I currently run Delo 15W-40 in the SDL with 3000 mile changes. I believe 
> strongly in the interval more than the oil, so it doesn't make a lot of sense 
> to use something like M1 in the car with that short of an interval.
> 
> A 2-1/2 gallon jug is around $26 at Wallyworld. Add $10 for a filter and an 
> oil change costs me roughly $30. I will probably change oil 2-3 times this 
> year.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
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>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:49 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Why so hot for 20-50? I ran 15w40 in my 240Ds all summer and switched to 
>> 15w50 M1 in the winter for easier cold starts.
>> In a 60x engine you can do synthetic and change the oil less often but IIRC 
>> you don't drive that much. If I ran conventional oil back when I used to 
>> commute all the time I'd have had to change the oil every other month...
>> -Curt
>> 
>> From: clay via Mercedes 
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>> Cc: clay 
>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 11:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry
>> 
>> I had the oil debate over Polei.  I figured that all the extra pennies for 
>> full synth would not be economical in the SDL, and standard diesel oil would 
>> be fine.  The 20-50 is like hen’s teeth now.  FLAPS guy said the call for 
>> something that thick is waning.  Used only in diesels.  My response was of 
>> the DUH! sort, as I was purchasing Diesel oil at the time and wanted to know 
>> if the 20-40 was going to be good enough
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would also be curious about comparing to Delo full synthetic which is 
>>> what I have been using in the 606
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:23 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Larry,
 
 do you have any info or insight on how the valvoline full synthretic 
 compares to M1?  I am curious if the base stocks are similar, and if the 
 performance is similar.  I think I will use the Valvoline in the Merkun 
 engines, but after the bad experience with castrol so-called synthetic, I 
 am not sure I want to try  it in an OM603.  My 616s get so few miles that 
 I leave them  on Mobil Dino oil.
 
 uhOh!  Nuther oel thread
 
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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

Curt,

Do you have that backwards? I can't imagine running 15W-50 in the winter in 
your neck of the woods. It would be like molasses, I would think.

I currently run Delo 15W-40 in the SDL with 3000 mile changes. I believe 
strongly in the interval more than the oil, so it doesn't make a lot of sense 
to use something like M1 in the car with that short of an interval.

A 2-1/2 gallon jug is around $26 at Wallyworld. Add $10 for a filter and an oil 
change costs me roughly $30. I will probably change oil 2-3 times this year.

Dan


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> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:49 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Why so hot for 20-50? I ran 15w40 in my 240Ds all summer and switched to 
> 15w50 M1 in the winter for easier cold starts.
> In a 60x engine you can do synthetic and change the oil less often but IIRC 
> you don't drive that much. If I ran conventional oil back when I used to 
> commute all the time I'd have had to change the oil every other month...
> -Curt
> 
>  From: clay via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: clay 
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 11:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry
> 
> I had the oil debate over Polei.  I figured that all the extra pennies for 
> full synth would not be economical in the SDL, and standard diesel oil would 
> be fine.  The 20-50 is like hen’s teeth now.  FLAPS guy said the call for 
> something that thick is waning.  Used only in diesels.  My response was of 
> the DUH! sort, as I was purchasing Diesel oil at the time and wanted to know 
> if the 20-40 was going to be good enough
> 
> clay
> 
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I would also be curious about comparing to Delo full synthetic which is what 
>> I have been using in the 606
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:23 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Larry,
>>> 
>>> do you have any info or insight on how the valvoline full synthretic 
>>> compares to M1?  I am curious if the base stocks are similar, and if the 
>>> performance is similar.  I think I will use the Valvoline in the Merkun 
>>> engines, but after the bad experience with castrol so-called synthetic, I 
>>> am not sure I want to try  it in an OM603.  My 616s get so few miles that I 
>>> leave them  on Mobil Dino oil.
>>> 
>>> uhOh!  Nuther oel thread
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[MBZ] Clear coat

BTW I went out and attacked the clearcoat on the Golf fender with 2000 grit 
last night to polish off the orange peel. I spent half an hour on it and today 
I'll go pick up some 1500 grit. In half an hour I got maybe 1/8th of the fender 
looking really good. The 2000 grit is just not aggressive enough.
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Clear Coat Question