Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[G Mann via Mercedes]

NY Times isn't worth lining a monkey cage.  ALL airlines are on progressive
maintenance schedules which are based on number of cycles or hours of
operation for each component on the engine AND the air frame.

The implication it had not been touched in 18 years is both false and
absurd reporting by someone who truly does NOT understand how aviation
works and it's rules.



On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 6:59 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> NY Times reported that the engine was almost 18 years old...
>
> They also pointed out that nobody had died in an American air crash in
> like 9 years.
>
> -Curt
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 18, 2018, 5:11:19 PM EDT, Greg Fiorentino via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>  I was on one of these birds once when the starboard engine failed. It was
> quite noticeable! I think I commented: "THAT was interesting!" IIRC we were
> bound for PDX from San Jose, did an emergency landing in Medford(?) and
> were bussed up the rest of the way.
>
> Do birds fly at 35,000 ft.?
>
> I was wondering if there were a problem with Southwest's parts supply
> chain? Could this have been the result of counterfeit engine parts?
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don
> via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 1:24 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: OK Don
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!
>
> I agree that she was killed by the shrapnel, then further beaten by the
> slip stream. IIRC, those pilots get frequent simulator training on handling
> just such an event. If they can keep their head when it happens in real
> life, they should be fine. However, that is not a given since we're "all
> human". I had one incident of oil pressure loss just after take off that I
> treated as on engine out situation and I can tell you that it really gets
> your attention.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 2:09 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Seems very likely the individual was struck by parts from the engine
> > destruction causing fatal injury. Being sucked out the window was
> > "secondary injury".
> > Cruise speed at 35,000 ft is normally .8 Mach which translates to
> "around"
> > 550 kph airspeed. [Mach is the speed of sound through air. Air density at
> > 35,000 ft can vary with temp.]
> > Point being, being suddenly thrust into a 500+ mph slipstream, after
> > absorbing massive injury, would be  further injury.
> >
> > Makes a strong case for keeping your seat belt fastened, regardless of
> > where you or the airplane are located.
> >
> > Very good friend is the head of FAA Accident Investigation, now
> nationwide.
> > As the investigation develops, I will collect such details as may be
> > released.
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:35 AM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The "breaking news" initial reports were ambiguous and confusing, as
> they
> > > often are. But at this point it looks like Max has it right.
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Meade
> > > Dillon via Mercedes
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:18 AM
> > > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > > Cc: Meade Dillon
> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!
> > >
> > > My understanding is that one lady got sucked out up to her waist,
> > > passengers pulled her back in, but she died later.  I don't think
> anyone
> > > else got sucked out.  The first report (cabin crew report to flight
> deck)
> > > of any bad news is almost always worse than reality, or interpreted
> with
> > a
> > > bias toward the worst case by the receiver, so "partially sucked out
> the
> > > window" became "sucked out of the airplane".
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] nice copart 300D

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

And pick and pull will not sell a car that is in the yard. Sucks seeing cars 
that are probably quite restorable getting scrapped.


Rick

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Saw the attached at a pickinpull, south of cincinnati


Bob Massmann
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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

NY Times reported that the engine was almost 18 years old...

They also pointed out that nobody had died in an American air crash in like 9 
years.

-Curt
 

On Wednesday, April 18, 2018, 5:11:19 PM EDT, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I was on one of these birds once when the starboard engine failed. It was 
quite noticeable! I think I commented: "THAT was interesting!" IIRC we were 
bound for PDX from San Jose, did an emergency landing in Medford(?) and were 
bussed up the rest of the way.

Do birds fly at 35,000 ft.?

I was wondering if there were a problem with Southwest's parts supply chain? 
Could this have been the result of counterfeit engine parts?

Greg

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Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 1:24 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: OK Don
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

I agree that she was killed by the shrapnel, then further beaten by the
slip stream. IIRC, those pilots get frequent simulator training on handling
just such an event. If they can keep their head when it happens in real
life, they should be fine. However, that is not a given since we're "all
human". I had one incident of oil pressure loss just after take off that I
treated as on engine out situation and I can tell you that it really gets
your attention.


On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 2:09 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Seems very likely the individual was struck by parts from the engine
> destruction causing fatal injury. Being sucked out the window was
> "secondary injury".
> Cruise speed at 35,000 ft is normally .8 Mach which translates to "around"
> 550 kph airspeed. [Mach is the speed of sound through air. Air density at
> 35,000 ft can vary with temp.]
> Point being, being suddenly thrust into a 500+ mph slipstream, after
> absorbing massive injury, would be  further injury.
>
> Makes a strong case for keeping your seat belt fastened, regardless of
> where you or the airplane are located.
>
> Very good friend is the head of FAA Accident Investigation, now nationwide.
> As the investigation develops, I will collect such details as may be
> released.
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:35 AM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > The "breaking news" initial reports were ambiguous and confusing, as they
> > often are. But at this point it looks like Max has it right.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Meade
> > Dillon via Mercedes
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:18 AM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Cc: Meade Dillon
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!
> >
> > My understanding is that one lady got sucked out up to her waist,
> > passengers pulled her back in, but she died later.  I don't think anyone
> > else got sucked out.  The first report (cabin crew report to flight deck)
> > of any bad news is almost always worse than reality, or interpreted with
> a
> > bias toward the worst case by the receiver, so "partially sucked out the
> > window" became "sucked out of the airplane".
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] nice copart 300D

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

How sad.

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> On Apr 18, 2018, at 8:04 PM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes 
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> 
> Saw the attached at a pickinpull, south of cincinnati
> 
> 
> Bob Massmann
> Oregonia, Ohio
> 
> -Original Message- From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes Sent: 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Being deeply involved in the aviation parts supply chain for 50 years, I
find it very unlikely failure was due to a "counterfeit part". I can say
with firm conviction the entire maintenance supply chain that involves
Southwest Airlines is and will be bending over and grabbing their socks for
some time to come.

 "I'm from the FAA and I'm here to help you, because we are not happy until
you are not happy." Is something that sticks in my mind, as owner of
several FAA Licensed Repair Stations. over the years. This entire incident
will be methodically investigated until the full cause can be identified,
then corrective action will be taken via FAA directives as may be needed to
preclude any possible re-occurrence...

That is how FAA works.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 2:10 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I was on one of these birds once when the starboard engine failed. It was
> quite noticeable! I think I commented: "THAT was interesting!" IIRC we were
> bound for PDX from San Jose, did an emergency landing in Medford(?) and
> were bussed up the rest of the way.
>
> Do birds fly at 35,000 ft.?
>
> I was wondering if there were a problem with Southwest's parts supply
> chain? Could this have been the result of counterfeit engine parts?
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don
> via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 1:24 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: OK Don
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!
>
> I agree that she was killed by the shrapnel, then further beaten by the
> slip stream. IIRC, those pilots get frequent simulator training on handling
> just such an event. If they can keep their head when it happens in real
> life, they should be fine. However, that is not a given since we're "all
> human". I had one incident of oil pressure loss just after take off that I
> treated as on engine out situation and I can tell you that it really gets
> your attention.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 2:09 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Seems very likely the individual was struck by parts from the engine
> > destruction causing fatal injury. Being sucked out the window was
> > "secondary injury".
> > Cruise speed at 35,000 ft is normally .8 Mach which translates to
> "around"
> > 550 kph airspeed. [Mach is the speed of sound through air. Air density at
> > 35,000 ft can vary with temp.]
> > Point being, being suddenly thrust into a 500+ mph slipstream, after
> > absorbing massive injury, would be  further injury.
> >
> > Makes a strong case for keeping your seat belt fastened, regardless of
> > where you or the airplane are located.
> >
> > Very good friend is the head of FAA Accident Investigation, now
> nationwide.
> > As the investigation develops, I will collect such details as may be
> > released.
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:35 AM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The "breaking news" initial reports were ambiguous and confusing, as
> they
> > > often are. But at this point it looks like Max has it right.
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Meade
> > > Dillon via Mercedes
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:18 AM
> > > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > > Cc: Meade Dillon
> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!
> > >
> > > My understanding is that one lady got sucked out up to her waist,
> > > passengers pulled her back in, but she died later.  I don't think
> anyone
> > > else got sucked out.  The first report (cabin crew report to flight
> deck)
> > > of any bad news is almost always worse than reality, or interpreted
> with
> > a
> > > bias toward the worst case by the receiver, so "partially sucked out
> the
> > > window" became "sucked out of the airplane".
> > >
> > > -
> > > Max
> > > Charleston SC
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[MBZ] 240d commercial

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Re: [MBZ] nice copart 300D

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

MikeEsh is going to Texas I hear. 

> On April 18, 2018 at 7:19 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> https://www.copart.com/lot/30969668

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Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Where's Rolf when this car needs him?

> On April 18, 2018 at 7:24 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> https://www.copart.com/lot/49835247

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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

For many years SWA farmed out maintenance to non union Co. to avoid
organizing & oversight. Not sure it is,still true.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Apr 18, 2018 6:46 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" 
wrote:

I am more worried about the maintenance policies and procedures of the
airline than the crews, either set. It's really the bean counters that do
the damage . . .
For the most part, the provenance of every bolt, etc. in the aircraft can
be traced back to the raw materials, at least that's what I've been told.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 5:09 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I think I am more worried about the quality of the maintenance crews than
> the air crews.
>
> RB
>
>
> On 18/04/2018 4:19 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Some of the yupeen and asian airlines are pretty good also.  Luthansa and
>> Aer Lingus come to  mind, although Ryanair now is very high on the list
of
>> safest, but I have not flown on that one.   Singapore used to be very
good,
>> but I don't know how they stack up now.
>>
>> I enjoyed flying when the pilots were WWII bomber veterans with tens of
>> thousands of hours.   I always believed they could handle anything
humanly
>> possible.
>>
>> US regionals are dicey, as reviewed here a few weeks ago.
>>
>> Not all major airline pilots are military veteran pilots, but I trust the
>> military veteran pilots more than anyone else.
>>
>>
>> Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> Agree and agree!
>>>
>>> SWMBO absolutely agrees regarding military training. She worked in the
>>> pilot training unit at Alaska Air.
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I am more worried about the maintenance policies and procedures of the
airline than the crews, either set. It's really the bean counters that do
the damage . . .
For the most part, the provenance of every bolt, etc. in the aircraft can
be traced back to the raw materials, at least that's what I've been told.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 5:09 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I think I am more worried about the quality of the maintenance crews than
> the air crews.
>
> RB
>
>
> On 18/04/2018 4:19 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Some of the yupeen and asian airlines are pretty good also.  Luthansa and
>> Aer Lingus come to  mind, although Ryanair now is very high on the list of
>> safest, but I have not flown on that one.   Singapore used to be very good,
>> but I don't know how they stack up now.
>>
>> I enjoyed flying when the pilots were WWII bomber veterans with tens of
>> thousands of hours.   I always believed they could handle anything humanly
>> possible.
>>
>> US regionals are dicey, as reviewed here a few weeks ago.
>>
>> Not all major airline pilots are military veteran pilots, but I trust the
>> military veteran pilots more than anyone else.
>>
>>
>> Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> Agree and agree!
>>>
>>> SWMBO absolutely agrees regarding military training. She worked in the
>>> pilot training unit at Alaska Air.
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] fuel prices?

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

I think it is all due to crude prices being up, caused by concerns over Syria 
and the region. It may not last too long according to the NPR business news.

Greg

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] fuel prices?

Prices on the coast have jumped up 40¢ in the past month.   Driving 1000 
miles on the weekend, I noticed a low of $2.219 and a high of 2.649.   
Dissel from 2.699 to 3.049 or  more.  (some places I didn't even take 
notice when the first digit was 3!)

"the economy has heated up"   thus the prices of energy are raised.  I 
have not heard what the supply is.   The usual bs line is, "refineries 
are switching from  winter to summer fuel"

Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> I don't pay much attention to the gasoline prices, the diesel fuel prices
> have been up and down a bit but generally around $2.80 per gallon.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] tornado time

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Still in MD.  Keeping an eye on you!

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Curley - still in Iowa?




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Re: [MBZ] fuel prices?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Prices on the coast have jumped up 40¢ in the past month.   Driving 1000 
miles on the weekend, I noticed a low of $2.219 and a high of 2.649.   
Dissel from 2.699 to 3.049 or  more.  (some places I didn't even take 
notice when the first digit was 3!)


"the economy has heated up"   thus the prices of energy are raised.  I 
have not heard what the supply is.   The usual bs line is, "refineries 
are switching from  winter to summer fuel"


Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

I don't pay much attention to the gasoline prices, the diesel fuel prices
have been up and down a bit but generally around $2.80 per gallon.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I think I am more worried about the quality of the maintenance crews 
than the air crews.


RB

On 18/04/2018 4:19 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Some of the yupeen and asian airlines are pretty good also.  Luthansa 
and Aer Lingus come to  mind, although Ryanair now is very high on the 
list of safest, but I have not flown on that one.   Singapore used to 
be very good, but I don't know how they stack up now.


I enjoyed flying when the pilots were WWII bomber veterans with tens 
of thousands of hours.   I always believed they could handle anything 
humanly possible.


US regionals are dicey, as reviewed here a few weeks ago.

Not all major airline pilots are military veteran pilots, but I trust 
the military veteran pilots more than anyone else.



Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote:

Agree and agree!

SWMBO absolutely agrees regarding military training. She worked in 
the pilot training unit at Alaska Air.


Greg




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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Some of the yupeen and asian airlines are pretty good also.  Luthansa 
and Aer Lingus come to  mind, although Ryanair now is very high on the 
list of safest, but I have not flown on that one.   Singapore used to be 
very good, but I don't know how they stack up now.


I enjoyed flying when the pilots were WWII bomber veterans with tens of 
thousands of hours.   I always believed they could handle anything 
humanly possible.


US regionals are dicey, as reviewed here a few weeks ago.

Not all major airline pilots are military veteran pilots, but I trust 
the military veteran pilots more than anyone else.



Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote:

Agree and agree!

SWMBO absolutely agrees regarding military training. She worked in the pilot 
training unit at Alaska Air.

Greg




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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

I was on one of these birds once when the starboard engine failed. It was quite 
noticeable! I think I commented: "THAT was interesting!" IIRC we were bound for 
PDX from San Jose, did an emergency landing in Medford(?) and were bussed up 
the rest of the way.

Do birds fly at 35,000 ft.?

I was wondering if there were a problem with Southwest's parts supply chain? 
Could this have been the result of counterfeit engine parts?

Greg

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 1:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

I agree that she was killed by the shrapnel, then further beaten by the
slip stream. IIRC, those pilots get frequent simulator training on handling
just such an event. If they can keep their head when it happens in real
life, they should be fine. However, that is not a given since we're "all
human". I had one incident of oil pressure loss just after take off that I
treated as on engine out situation and I can tell you that it really gets
your attention.


On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 2:09 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Seems very likely the individual was struck by parts from the engine
> destruction causing fatal injury. Being sucked out the window was
> "secondary injury".
> Cruise speed at 35,000 ft is normally .8 Mach which translates to "around"
> 550 kph airspeed. [Mach is the speed of sound through air. Air density at
> 35,000 ft can vary with temp.]
> Point being, being suddenly thrust into a 500+ mph slipstream, after
> absorbing massive injury, would be  further injury.
>
> Makes a strong case for keeping your seat belt fastened, regardless of
> where you or the airplane are located.
>
> Very good friend is the head of FAA Accident Investigation, now nationwide.
> As the investigation develops, I will collect such details as may be
> released.
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:35 AM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > The "breaking news" initial reports were ambiguous and confusing, as they
> > often are. But at this point it looks like Max has it right.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Meade
> > Dillon via Mercedes
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:18 AM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Cc: Meade Dillon
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!
> >
> > My understanding is that one lady got sucked out up to her waist,
> > passengers pulled her back in, but she died later.  I don't think anyone
> > else got sucked out.  The first report (cabin crew report to flight deck)
> > of any bad news is almost always worse than reality, or interpreted with
> a
> > bias toward the worst case by the receiver, so "partially sucked out the
> > window" became "sucked out of the airplane".
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

Agree and agree!

SWMBO absolutely agrees regarding military training. She worked in the pilot 
training unit at Alaska Air.

Greg

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Ritchey via Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:05 PM
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Cc: Scott Ritchey
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

Both things can be true, IMO.  
Military training is (IMO) why US airlines have better cockpit crews than other 
airlines.  

> -Original Message-
> From:  Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
> ...
> 
> Maybe I have a different point of view but when these sort of things happen
> they call the pilot a hero. I call it them doing their job.
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I like to sit within a few rows of the back.  It is the most survivable 
position.  I kept my seatbelt fastened, if loose, all the time, unless I 
was out of the seat every time I have flown as an adult.   You get 
treated like a dog or hog if you sit in the back, but to me it is worth 
that to be in the most survivable part of the plane.


Somehow, I envisioned the possibility of a prop or turbine failure or 
other decompression event long before the Aloha sunroof, or the missing 
cargo door, or other scenarios that resulted in rapid decompression.


OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

Yes - don't sit opposite/between the engines - a few rows either in front
or behind should be fine. As fast as those engines turn, I'm surprised that
this doesn't happen more often. It's a testament to the care given in the
engineering and construction of turbine engines, as reflected in their cost.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 3:11 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes<
mercedes@okiebenz.com>  wrote:




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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Based on the very limited pictures of the damaged engine, it appears the
fan lost blades, or the fan hub failed. The result looks like fan
containment ring was destroyed which indicates to me an abrupt and complete
failure of the fan hub, or the fan gear box. Subsequent nacelle damage, aft
of the fan inlet / containment ring, would indicate, from my experience,
"normal" destruction following fan ingestion by the compressor section
[which sets behind the fan gear box.].

Some years ago, I worked with a major engine manufacturer in their bird
ingestion testing [to engine failure] on their test stands. It involved
firing multiple fully fledged 3 lb. chickens [newly deceased] from an air
cannon at 170 mph, into the intake of an engine running at 100% takeoff
power. All while being filmed with high speed camera.

First lesson learned was, chickens are NOT certified to fly at 170 MPH.
Second lesson learned, multiple bird strikes did millions of dollars damage
to the test engine.

Subsequent tear down and inspection showed damage quite similar to what I
see in the photos, so far... More followup to followup.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 1:27 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Yes - don't sit opposite/between the engines - a few rows either in front
> or behind should be fine. As fast as those engines turn, I'm surprised that
> this doesn't happen more often. It's a testament to the care given in the
> engineering and construction of turbine engines, as reflected in their
> cost.
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 3:11 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Might not save you. I believe the news report said more than one of the
> > passengers was hit by some of the shrapnel.
> >
> > RB
> >
> >
> > On 18/04/2018 12:27 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >> I think I'll stick to aisle seats in the future.
> >>
> >> Greg
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Meade
> >> Dillon via Mercedes
> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 6:56 AM
> >> To: Mercedes
> >> Cc: Meade Dillon
> >> Subject: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!
> >>
> >> https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-pilot-who-saved-that-s
> >> outhwest-flight-is-a-badass-1825341463
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -
> >> Max
> >> Charleston SC
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>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Yes - don't sit opposite/between the engines - a few rows either in front
or behind should be fine. As fast as those engines turn, I'm surprised that
this doesn't happen more often. It's a testament to the care given in the
engineering and construction of turbine engines, as reflected in their cost.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 3:11 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Might not save you. I believe the news report said more than one of the
> passengers was hit by some of the shrapnel.
>
> RB
>
>
> On 18/04/2018 12:27 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> I think I'll stick to aisle seats in the future.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Meade
>> Dillon via Mercedes
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 6:56 AM
>> To: Mercedes
>> Cc: Meade Dillon
>> Subject: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!
>>
>> https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-pilot-who-saved-that-s
>> outhwest-flight-is-a-badass-1825341463
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I agree that she was killed by the shrapnel, then further beaten by the
slip stream. IIRC, those pilots get frequent simulator training on handling
just such an event. If they can keep their head when it happens in real
life, they should be fine. However, that is not a given since we're "all
human". I had one incident of oil pressure loss just after take off that I
treated as on engine out situation and I can tell you that it really gets
your attention.


On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 2:09 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Seems very likely the individual was struck by parts from the engine
> destruction causing fatal injury. Being sucked out the window was
> "secondary injury".
> Cruise speed at 35,000 ft is normally .8 Mach which translates to "around"
> 550 kph airspeed. [Mach is the speed of sound through air. Air density at
> 35,000 ft can vary with temp.]
> Point being, being suddenly thrust into a 500+ mph slipstream, after
> absorbing massive injury, would be  further injury.
>
> Makes a strong case for keeping your seat belt fastened, regardless of
> where you or the airplane are located.
>
> Very good friend is the head of FAA Accident Investigation, now nationwide.
> As the investigation develops, I will collect such details as may be
> released.
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:35 AM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > The "breaking news" initial reports were ambiguous and confusing, as they
> > often are. But at this point it looks like Max has it right.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Meade
> > Dillon via Mercedes
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:18 AM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Cc: Meade Dillon
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!
> >
> > My understanding is that one lady got sucked out up to her waist,
> > passengers pulled her back in, but she died later.  I don't think anyone
> > else got sucked out.  The first report (cabin crew report to flight deck)
> > of any bad news is almost always worse than reality, or interpreted with
> a
> > bias toward the worst case by the receiver, so "partially sucked out the
> > window" became "sucked out of the airplane".
> >
> > -
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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 18/04/2018 12:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

They pulled somebody back in who lived but is in the hospital. I would assume 
one got sucked completely out.



Only one death - the woman who was partly sucked out of the plane but 
was pulled back in.

She survived the landing but later died if the news reports are accurate.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Might not save you. I believe the news report said more than one of the 
passengers was hit by some of the shrapnel.


RB


On 18/04/2018 12:27 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote:

I think I'll stick to aisle seats in the future.

Greg

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To: Mercedes
Cc: Meade Dillon
Subject: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-pilot-who-saved-that-southwest-flight-is-a-badass-1825341463



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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Seems very likely the individual was struck by parts from the engine
destruction causing fatal injury. Being sucked out the window was
"secondary injury".
Cruise speed at 35,000 ft is normally .8 Mach which translates to "around"
550 kph airspeed. [Mach is the speed of sound through air. Air density at
35,000 ft can vary with temp.]
Point being, being suddenly thrust into a 500+ mph slipstream, after
absorbing massive injury, would be  further injury.

Makes a strong case for keeping your seat belt fastened, regardless of
where you or the airplane are located.

Very good friend is the head of FAA Accident Investigation, now nationwide.
As the investigation develops, I will collect such details as may be
released.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:35 AM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The "breaking news" initial reports were ambiguous and confusing, as they
> often are. But at this point it looks like Max has it right.
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Meade
> Dillon via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:18 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Meade Dillon
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!
>
> My understanding is that one lady got sucked out up to her waist,
> passengers pulled her back in, but she died later.  I don't think anyone
> else got sucked out.  The first report (cabin crew report to flight deck)
> of any bad news is almost always worse than reality, or interpreted with a
> bias toward the worst case by the receiver, so "partially sucked out the
> window" became "sucked out of the airplane".
>
> -
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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Both things can be true, IMO.  
Military training is (IMO) why US airlines have better cockpit crews than other 
airlines.  

> -Original Message-
> From:  Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
> ...
> 
> Maybe I have a different point of view but when these sort of things happen
> they call the pilot a hero. I call it them doing their job.
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

The "breaking news" initial reports were ambiguous and confusing, as they often 
are. But at this point it looks like Max has it right.

Greg

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Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:18 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Meade Dillon
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

My understanding is that one lady got sucked out up to her waist,
passengers pulled her back in, but she died later.  I don't think anyone
else got sucked out.  The first report (cabin crew report to flight deck)
of any bad news is almost always worse than reality, or interpreted with a
bias toward the worst case by the receiver, so "partially sucked out the
window" became "sucked out of the airplane".

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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

My understanding is that one lady got sucked out up to her waist,
passengers pulled her back in, but she died later.  I don't think anyone
else got sucked out.  The first report (cabin crew report to flight deck)
of any bad news is almost always worse than reality, or interpreted with a
bias toward the worst case by the receiver, so "partially sucked out the
window" became "sucked out of the airplane".

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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Listen to the audio. A normal person would freak out, she's as cool as ice...

-Curt
 

On Wednesday, April 18, 2018, 1:33:28 PM EDT, Kaleb C. Striplin via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 So I take it 1 person got sucked out and the other person got half way sucked 
out but then pulled them back in.

Maybe I have a different point of view but when these sort of things happen 
they call the pilot a hero. I call it them doing their job.

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> I think I'll stick to aisle seats in the future.
> 
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> https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-pilot-who-saved-that-southwest-flight-is-a-badass-1825341463
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Re: [MBZ] Trio to Austin TX from Michigan

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I've also been unimpressed by the Veloster, specifically I hated the window 
controls, it felt like they were in exactly the wrong place...

-Curt
 

On Wednesday, April 18, 2018, 12:41:58 PM EDT, Mike Esh via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I am driving from Kalamazoo, MI to visit my daughter at 5213 Jim Hogg, Austin 
TX. (love that street name) I’m leaving this Friday and returning  on or about 
next Friday.  I will be driving my 1985 300D.  Does anyone in-between/on the 
way (within reason) need anything picked up and delivered?  It might be kinda 
fun to swing by Kaleb”s Mercedes Ranch to see his collection and visit a bit.  

I was considering driving a 2016 Hyundai Veloster that I was selling for a 
friend.  Thanks goodness we sold it.  It only had 7000 miles on it and sold for 
$11,000 to a dealer in Kalamazoo. The friend bought it for $20,500 then died 
about 6 months afterwords. I delivered it Kzoo from my home in Whitehall, about 
a 2 hour drive.  It was a very uncomfortable ride.  I just did not fit well in 
the seat and it was difficult to get out of.  I’m 61, 5’10 and weigh 220 
pounds.  It drives and handles very well.  One odd thing is that the warrantee 
from the new car does not transfer to the new owner.  Each new owner must 
purchase a new warrantee package if they want to. Is that normal?  I have not 
bought a new car since 2005.
Thanks,
Mike
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Re: [MBZ] Rare refrigerator? Or rare crack?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Evaporative cooler or do you mean peltier device which is a thermoelectric 
cooler?

-Curt
 

On Wednesday, April 18, 2018, 12:41:37 PM EDT, Dan--- via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Understand that “refrigerator” is really a misnomer in this case. It’s 
actually a type of evaporative cooler, like the cheap dorm fridges that aren’t 
real refrigerators.  It keeps things cool, but not cold.

If you’re referencing the skis in the trunk option, that’s VERY rare here.  
I’ve only seen it once, and that was on a W140 sedan that was retrofitted with 
it.  It requires a different back seat and fuel tank.

Dan

> On Apr 18, 2018, at 11:43 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> I WANT THAT OPTION in the worst way.
> 
>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 6:33 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> Been an obscure option for a long time. Sort of like the option for storing 
>> skis in the trunk.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> > On Apr 17, 2018, at 10:09 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> > 
>> > Rare something. Who knew you could get a MB frig?
>> > 
>> > Dwight Giles Jr.
>> > Wickford RI
>> > 
>> > On Apr 17, 2018 10:03 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > 
>> >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1985-Mercedes-Benz-500-Series-SEL/1
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Re: [MBZ] Trio to Austin TX from Michigan

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

The Hyundaiaiaia that SWMBA owned had extended warranty purchased, so it was 
able to be passed on to the next owner

clay 

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> On Apr 18, 2018, at 9:47 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On April 18, 2018 at 12:41 PM Mike Esh via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> One odd thing is that the warrantee from the new car does not transfer to 
>> the new owner.  Each new owner must purchase a new warrantee package if they 
>> want to. Is that normal?  
> 
> That's normal for the 10 year / 100,000 mile portion of the Korean 
> warranties. 
> They're banking in part on the hope that most people won't want to keep their 
> products for ten years (but 100k is still pretty common for original owners). 
> 
> I thought the Velicotor was well regarded, but haven't really paid much 
> attention.
> You've got me by an inch and a claimed 20lb (but I don't remember you being 
> heavier than me). 
> I fit in a 2016-2018 Chebby Cruze just fine.
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Re: [MBZ] Rare refrigerator? Or rare crack?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On April 18, 2018 at 1:38 PM Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> They had those for some models as well. 

Did the 126 version look like this?
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/QkUAAOSwLlJa1Yc5/s-l1600.jpg
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/r0YAAOSwaWxa1YcH/s-l1600.jpg
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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

They pulled somebody back in who lived but is in the hospital. I would assume 
one got sucked completely out. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 18, 2018, at 12:35 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Not to be gross, but one of the first things I noticed when I saw the blown 
> out window and the fuselage was the smear of blood running back from the 
> window opening. That lady never had a chance.  Can you imagine having your 
> upper torso and head sucked out into the air stream at 300+ mph?
> 
> Whatever they pulled back in had to be pretty much hamburger. Ugh.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Apr 18, 2018, at 1:27 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I think I'll stick to aisle seats in the future.
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
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>> Dillon via Mercedes
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>> Cc: Meade Dillon
>> Subject: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!
>> 
>> https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-pilot-who-saved-that-southwest-flight-is-a-badass-1825341463
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Rare refrigerator? Or rare crack?

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

They had those for some models as well. The one I was referring to was optional 
on the W140s.

-D

> On Apr 18, 2018, at 1:34 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> This one appears to be mounted in between the 2 front seats. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 18, 2018, at 12:32 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I didn’t look at this particular item, but I’m referring to a cooler box 
>> that went in the center of the back seat above where the center armrest 
>> folds up. It is a factory option, but very rare.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Apr 18, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Whatever it is, it’s not a factory item is it?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Apr 18, 2018, at 12:24 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
 wrote:
 
 Yeah, it’s one of those electrical heat transfer thingies.
 
 -D
 
> On Apr 18, 2018, at 12:49 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On April 18, 2018 at 12:41 PM Dan--- via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Understand that “refrigerator” is really a misnomer in this case. It’s 
>> actually a type of evaporative cooler, like the cheap dorm fridges that 
>> aren’t real refrigerators. 
> 
> Evaporative? You put water in it and it works like a swamp cooler?
> Sure it isn't a Peltier device?
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Not to be gross, but one of the first things I noticed when I saw the blown out 
window and the fuselage was the smear of blood running back from the window 
opening. That lady never had a chance.  Can you imagine having your upper torso 
and head sucked out into the air stream at 300+ mph?

Whatever they pulled back in had to be pretty much hamburger. Ugh.

-D

> On Apr 18, 2018, at 1:27 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
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> I think I'll stick to aisle seats in the future.
> 
> Greg
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> Subject: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!
> 
> https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-pilot-who-saved-that-southwest-flight-is-a-badass-1825341463
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Re: [MBZ] Rare refrigerator? Or rare crack?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

This one appears to be mounted in between the 2 front seats. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 18, 2018, at 12:32 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I didn’t look at this particular item, but I’m referring to a cooler box that 
> went in the center of the back seat above where the center armrest folds up. 
> It is a factory option, but very rare.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Apr 18, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Whatever it is, it’s not a factory item is it?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 18, 2018, at 12:24 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah, it’s one of those electrical heat transfer thingies.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Apr 18, 2018, at 12:49 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 
> On April 18, 2018 at 12:41 PM Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Understand that “refrigerator” is really a misnomer in this case. It’s 
> actually a type of evaporative cooler, like the cheap dorm fridges that 
> aren’t real refrigerators. 
 
 Evaporative? You put water in it and it works like a swamp cooler?
 Sure it isn't a Peltier device?
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So I take it 1 person got sucked out and the other person got half way sucked 
out but then pulled them back in.

Maybe I have a different point of view but when these sort of things happen 
they call the pilot a hero. I call it them doing their job.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 18, 2018, at 12:27 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
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> I think I'll stick to aisle seats in the future.
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> Subject: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!
> 
> https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-pilot-who-saved-that-southwest-flight-is-a-badass-1825341463
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Re: [MBZ] Rare refrigerator? Or rare crack?

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I didn’t look at this particular item, but I’m referring to a cooler box that 
went in the center of the back seat above where the center armrest folds up. It 
is a factory option, but very rare.

-D

> On Apr 18, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Whatever it is, it’s not a factory item is it?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 18, 2018, at 12:24 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah, it’s one of those electrical heat transfer thingies.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Apr 18, 2018, at 12:49 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 On April 18, 2018 at 12:41 PM Dan--- via Mercedes  
 wrote:
 
 
 Understand that “refrigerator” is really a misnomer in this case. It’s 
 actually a type of evaporative cooler, like the cheap dorm fridges that 
 aren’t real refrigerators. 
>>> 
>>> Evaporative? You put water in it and it works like a swamp cooler?
>>> Sure it isn't a Peltier device?
>>> 
>>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Trio to Austin TX from Michigan

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Coworker has a Veloster that they bought new two years ago.  Major POS.  
Reliability has been good, but interior material quality is awful.  Legends 
rubbing off knobs and switches, shifter boot coming apart, etc.

I thought the Korean cars were supposed to be fairly decent.  This thing has 
the look in some parts like a back 40 Kaleb car that’s 30 years old.

-D

> On Apr 18, 2018, at 12:47 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
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> 
> 
>> On April 18, 2018 at 12:41 PM Mike Esh via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> One odd thing is that the warrantee from the new car does not transfer to 
>> the new owner.  Each new owner must purchase a new warrantee package if they 
>> want to. Is that normal?  
> 
> That's normal for the 10 year / 100,000 mile portion of the Korean 
> warranties. 
> They're banking in part on the hope that most people won't want to keep their 
> products for ten years (but 100k is still pretty common for original owners). 
> 
> I thought the Velicotor was well regarded, but haven't really paid much 
> attention.
> You've got me by an inch and a claimed 20lb (but I don't remember you being 
> heavier than me). 
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Re: [MBZ] Rare refrigerator? Or rare crack?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Whatever it is, it’s not a factory item is it?

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> On Apr 18, 2018, at 12:24 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yeah, it’s one of those electrical heat transfer thingies.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Apr 18, 2018, at 12:49 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On April 18, 2018 at 12:41 PM Dan--- via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Understand that “refrigerator” is really a misnomer in this case. It’s 
>>> actually a type of evaporative cooler, like the cheap dorm fridges that 
>>> aren’t real refrigerators. 
>> 
>> Evaporative? You put water in it and it works like a swamp cooler?
>> Sure it isn't a Peltier device?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

I think I'll stick to aisle seats in the future.

Greg

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Re: [MBZ] Rare refrigerator? Or rare crack?

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

So you can get a dui from cold ones?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Apr 18, 2018 1:24 PM, "Dan--- via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Yeah, it’s one of those electrical heat transfer thingies.
>
> -D
>
> > On Apr 18, 2018, at 12:49 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On April 18, 2018 at 12:41 PM Dan--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Understand that “refrigerator” is really a misnomer in this case. It’s
> actually a type of evaporative cooler, like the cheap dorm fridges that
> aren’t real refrigerators.
> >
> > Evaporative? You put water in it and it works like a swamp cooler?
> > Sure it isn't a Peltier device?
> >
> > Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Rare refrigerator? Or rare crack?

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Yeah, it’s one of those electrical heat transfer thingies.

-D

> On Apr 18, 2018, at 12:49 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On April 18, 2018 at 12:41 PM Dan--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Understand that “refrigerator” is really a misnomer in this case. It’s 
>> actually a type of evaporative cooler, like the cheap dorm fridges that 
>> aren’t real refrigerators. 
> 
> Evaporative? You put water in it and it works like a swamp cooler?
> Sure it isn't a Peltier device?
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Rare refrigerator? Or rare crack?

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> On April 18, 2018 at 12:41 PM Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Understand that “refrigerator” is really a misnomer in this case. It’s 
> actually a type of evaporative cooler, like the cheap dorm fridges that 
> aren’t real refrigerators. 

Evaporative? You put water in it and it works like a swamp cooler?
Sure it isn't a Peltier device?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Trio to Austin TX from Michigan

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> On April 18, 2018 at 12:41 PM Mike Esh via Mercedes  
> wrote:
>  One odd thing is that the warrantee from the new car does not transfer to 
> the new owner.  Each new owner must purchase a new warrantee package if they 
> want to. Is that normal?  

That's normal for the 10 year / 100,000 mile portion of the Korean warranties. 
They're banking in part on the hope that most people won't want to keep their 
products for ten years (but 100k is still pretty common for original owners). 

I thought the Velicotor was well regarded, but haven't really paid much 
attention.
You've got me by an inch and a claimed 20lb (but I don't remember you being 
heavier than me). 
I fit in a 2016-2018 Chebby Cruze just fine.

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[MBZ] Trio to Austin TX from Michigan

[Mike Esh via Mercedes]

I am driving from Kalamazoo, MI to visit my daughter at 5213 Jim Hogg, Austin 
TX. (love that street name) I’m leaving this Friday and returning  on or about 
next Friday.  I will be driving my 1985 300D.  Does anyone in-between/on the 
way (within reason) need anything picked up and delivered?  It might be kinda 
fun to swing by Kaleb”s Mercedes Ranch to see his collection and visit a bit.   

I was considering driving a 2016 Hyundai Veloster that I was selling for a 
friend.  Thanks goodness we sold it.  It only had 7000 miles on it and sold for 
$11,000 to a dealer in Kalamazoo. The friend bought it for $20,500 then died 
about 6 months afterwords. I delivered it Kzoo from my home in Whitehall, about 
a 2 hour drive.  It was a very uncomfortable ride.  I just did not fit well in 
the seat and it was difficult to get out of.  I’m 61, 5’10 and weigh 220 
pounds.  It drives and handles very well.  One odd thing is that the warrantee 
from the new car does not transfer to the new owner.  Each new owner must 
purchase a new warrantee package if they want to. Is that normal?  I have not 
bought a new car since 2005.
Thanks,
Mike
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Re: [MBZ] Rare refrigerator? Or rare crack?

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Understand that “refrigerator” is really a misnomer in this case. It’s actually 
a type of evaporative cooler, like the cheap dorm fridges that aren’t real 
refrigerators.  It keeps things cool, but not cold.

If you’re referencing the skis in the trunk option, that’s VERY rare here.  
I’ve only seen it once, and that was on a W140 sedan that was retrofitted with 
it.  It requires a different back seat and fuel tank.

Dan

> On Apr 18, 2018, at 11:43 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> I WANT THAT OPTION in the worst way.
> 
>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 6:33 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> Been an obscure option for a long time. Sort of like the option for storing 
>> skis in the trunk.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> > On Apr 17, 2018, at 10:09 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> > 
>> > Rare something. Who knew you could get a MB frig?
>> > 
>> > Dwight Giles Jr.
>> > Wickford RI
>> > 
>> > On Apr 17, 2018 10:03 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > 
>> >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1985-Mercedes-Benz-500-Series-SEL/1
>> >> 12944691125?hash=item1a4c0737b5:g:FzcAAOSwLLZa1Yas=mtr
>> >> 
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Re: [MBZ] Costco Mobil 1 $26.99

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I'm debating what to put in the ASV for next winter. Its down to M1 5w40 or 
Rotella T6 in 5w40. The only reason I'm considering Rotella is cost. If the 
machine gets 40 hours on it for the season I'd be surprised. I want the thinner 
oil for easier starting...
-Curt
 

On Wednesday, April 18, 2018, 10:08:49 AM EDT, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Yes when I first put M1 in my 79 240D it would pop right off on a triple
glow,at 10F. Not surprised at these results. Used to use the 5w-40.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Apr 18, 2018 12:43 AM, "clay monroe via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Randy,
>
> YES, M1 is the bomb when it comes to cold temps.
>
> I watched a yooo tooob video a few months back where the testing fellow
> had four liters of oil he had tossed in the deep freeze for 24 hours.  They
> were M1, Royal Purple, the dead sam gunk and another FLAPS oil which
> escapes me.  The jugs were upended, each over a large beaker and allowed to
> flow.  The M1 beat all others to empty the jug into the beaker.  The dead
> sam gunk was not able to flow, and the purple stuff was less than
> spectacular.  M1 remained fluid at -40 and began flowing within seconds of
> being up ended.  The others required at least a minute to attempt egress
> from their containers.
>
> clay
>
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 1982 300 SD - Allen
>
> retired models-
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 17, 2018, at 12:43 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 17/04/2018 12:18 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Despite Herr Booth's claims of drastically reduced timing chain wear
> (back
> >> in the day) with M1, I've switched to cheap oil based on "big data"
> >> analysis:
> >>
> >> https://www.blackstone-labs.com/Newsletters/Gas-Diesel/July-1-2017.php
> >>
> >>
> > That was very interesting. I still wonder if synthetic like Mobil1 is
> better on cold dead of winter starts and really hot days in summer with the
> ac cranked on.
> > Those would seem to me to be among the times when the motor might be
> under the most stress and I therefore wonder if the better oil is worth it
> for those times.
> >
> > RB
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Re: [MBZ] Hey, Andrew!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I don't feel quite so bad now.  $8 K is over my limit.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Looks like your T-Bird was a bargain.  It went for a little over $8k.
> That seems like a pretty good deal.
>
> -D
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[MBZ] 300TD on BAT pushing $10K with 250K miles

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The market for CLEAN wagons is strong, regardless of mileage.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-mercedes-benz-300td-turbo-4/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2018-04-18
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Re: [MBZ] Rare refrigerator? Or rare crack?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I WANT THAT OPTION in the worst way.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Been an obscure option for a long time. Sort of like the option for
> storing skis in the trunk.
>
> -D
>
> > On Apr 17, 2018, at 10:09 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Rare something. Who knew you could get a MB frig?
> >
> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > Wickford RI
> >
> > On Apr 17, 2018 10:03 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1985-Mercedes-Benz-500-Series-SEL/1
> >> 12944691125?hash=item1a4c0737b5:g:FzcAAOSwLLZa1Yas=mtr
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Re: [MBZ] Costco Mobil 1 $26.99

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes when I first put M1 in my 79 240D it would pop right off on a triple
glow,at 10F. Not surprised at these results. Used to use the 5w-40.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Apr 18, 2018 12:43 AM, "clay monroe via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Randy,
>
> YES, M1 is the bomb when it comes to cold temps.
>
> I watched a yooo tooob video a few months back where the testing fellow
> had four liters of oil he had tossed in the deep freeze for 24 hours.  They
> were M1, Royal Purple, the dead sam gunk and another FLAPS oil which
> escapes me.  The jugs were upended, each over a large beaker and allowed to
> flow.  The M1 beat all others to empty the jug into the beaker.  The dead
> sam gunk was not able to flow, and the purple stuff was less than
> spectacular.  M1 remained fluid at -40 and began flowing within seconds of
> being up ended.  The others required at least a minute to attempt egress
> from their containers.
>
> clay
>
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 1982 300 SD - Allen
>
> retired models-
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 17, 2018, at 12:43 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 17/04/2018 12:18 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Despite Herr Booth's claims of drastically reduced timing chain wear
> (back
> >> in the day) with M1, I've switched to cheap oil based on "big data"
> >> analysis:
> >>
> >> https://www.blackstone-labs.com/Newsletters/Gas-Diesel/July-1-2017.php
> >>
> >>
> > That was very interesting. I still wonder if synthetic like Mobil1 is
> better on cold dead of winter starts and really hot days in summer with the
> ac cranked on.
> > Those would seem to me to be among the times when the motor might be
> under the most stress and I therefore wonder if the better oil is worth it
> for those times.
> >
> > RB
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[MBZ] OT Go Navy!

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

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[MBZ] Hey, Andrew!

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Looks like your T-Bird was a bargain.  It went for a little over $8k.  That 
seems like a pretty good deal.

-D

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Re: [MBZ] Copart 190D

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

2.2

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> On Apr 17, 2018, at 11:51 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is this the 2.2 or the 2.5?
> 
> I think these return something in the very high 30’s to low 40’s at freeway 
> speeds.  In town it drops to high 20’s
> 
> clay 
> 
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 1982 300 SD - Allen
> 
> retired models-
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 17, 2018, at 4:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Well I won the auction for the copart 190D that had traveled the world.  I 
>> put in a max bid of $475 last night, auction was today. When the auction 
>> started I watched it for about an hour until the 190 came up.  Most of the 
>> cars were getting very little action. Some late model wrecked cars were only 
>> going for a couple hundred bucks.  There as a 05 CLK 500 I think it was that 
>> was a convertible that barely made it to $1k.  Its only issue listed was 
>> minor dents and scratches.  The auction on the 190 started out at $225 as 
>> somebody bid online today.  No action happening, finally somebody started 
>> bidding.  Auction ended up at $425 with me as the winner.  I still think its 
>> going to be a fair deal as from what I can tell the car looks to be in 
>> really good shape except for faded paint on the hood.  If the car turns out 
>> to be decent I will probably turn it into my work car.  The manny is a 5 
>> speed in these, correct?  What kind of mileage do they get?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Rare refrigerator? Or rare crack?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Been an obscure option for a long time. Sort of like the option for storing 
skis in the trunk.

-D

> On Apr 17, 2018, at 10:09 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Rare something. Who knew you could get a MB frig?
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Apr 17, 2018 10:03 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1985-Mercedes-Benz-500-Series-SEL/1
>> 12944691125?hash=item1a4c0737b5:g:FzcAAOSwLLZa1Yas=mtr
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Re: [MBZ] Tree stains on 240D

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

By the time I've (hopefully!) removed all those little spots, I'll need some of 
that "good" IPA to finish he job, Dwight. [:o)
Gerry

> Glad you are not wasting good,IPA.
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Apr 17, 2018 6:49 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
> > I would start with some 50-50 mix of IPA (not beer, isopropyl alcohol) and
> > water and if that doesn’t phase it, 3M General Purpose Adhesive Cleaner,
> > 08984. You can often find it at WalMart or at a good NAPA for sure.
> >
> > You’ll have to re-wax the area you clean, but that’s a small price to pay
> > to get the stuff off the finish.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 17, 2018, at 6:20 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Listers,
> > > While a project was ongoing in the shop, I parked the '83 240D out in
> > the open away from the trees. During the night a 30+ mile-per-hour wind
> > came through and blew bits of sap or whatever its called all over the car
> > which left reddish stains on the light tan finish. I washed the car but the
> > stains remained. These small bits of soft material probably came from oak
> > trees since that is the commonest kind here; although it could have come
> > from other kinds since it was a very strong wind.
> > > The last waxing with 3M Show Car Wax (Thanks Dan!) is still intact.
> > >
> > > The internet provides every possible solution imaginable; for example:
> > >
> > > http://forums.redflagdeals.com/removing-stains-made-
> > leaves-sap-etc-657448/
> > >
> > > https://www.google.com/search?q=oak+stains+car+finish=
> > utf-8=utf-8=firefox-b-1-ab
> > >
> > > What to do?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Gerry
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Tree stains on 240D

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Thanks, Clay, 
It isn't sap, it's some sort of very soft objects not more than 3/4" long that 
sort of break up when you squeeze them; possibly oak.
Gerry

> I vote for peanut butter to remove the sap.
> 
> As for stain, I am not sure what will be best.  I would at least try a dilute 
> hydrogen peroxide solution, as that might do a number on the organic 
> compounds without eating into the paint.  Clay Bar is what I would chase that 
> with to remove the really small organic stuff.  Follow that with a very light 
> correcting fluid and wax/sealant
> 
> clay 
> 
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> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> > On Apr 17, 2018, at 3:48 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > I would start with some 50-50 mix of IPA (not beer, isopropyl alcohol) and 
> > water and if that doesn’t phase it, 3M General Purpose Adhesive Cleaner, 
> > 08984. You can often find it at WalMart or at a good NAPA for sure.
> > 
> > You’ll have to re-wax the area you clean, but that’s a small price to pay 
> > to get the stuff off the finish.
> > 
> > Dan
> > 
> > 
> >> On Apr 17, 2018, at 6:20 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Listers,
> >> While a project was ongoing in the shop, I parked the '83 240D out in the 
> >> open away from the trees. During the night a 30+ mile-per-hour wind came 
> >> through and blew bits of sap or whatever its called all over the car which 
> >> left reddish stains on the light tan finish. I washed the car but the 
> >> stains remained. These small bits of soft material probably came from oak 
> >> trees since that is the commonest kind here; although it could have come 
> >> from other kinds since it was a very strong wind.
> >> The last waxing with 3M Show Car Wax (Thanks Dan!) is still intact.
> >> 
> >> The internet provides every possible solution imaginable; for example:
> >> 
> >> http://forums.redflagdeals.com/removing-stains-made-leaves-sap-etc-657448/
> >> 
> >> https://www.google.com/search?q=oak+stains+car+finish=utf-8=utf-8=firefox-b-1-ab
> >> 
> >> What to do?
> >> 
> >> Thanks,
> >> Gerry
> >> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tree stains on 240D

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Thanks, Dan.
Hopefully something will work since it's a near perfect finish.
Gerry

> I would start with some 50-50 mix of IPA (not beer, isopropyl alcohol) and 
> water and if that doesn’t phase it, 3M General Purpose Adhesive Cleaner, 
> 08984. You can often find it at WalMart or at a good NAPA for sure.
> 
> You’ll have to re-wax the area you clean, but that’s a small price to pay to 
> get the stuff off the finish.

> Dan
 
> > Listers,
> > While a project was ongoing in the shop, I parked the '83 240D out in the 
> > open away from the trees. During the night a 30+ mile-per-hour wind came 
> > through and blew bits of sap or whatever its called all over the car which 
> > left reddish stains on the light tan finish. I washed the car but the 
> > stains remained. These small bits of soft material probably came from oak 
> > trees since that is the commonest kind here; although it could have come 
> > from other kinds since it was a very strong wind.
> > The last waxing with 3M Show Car Wax (Thanks Dan!) is still intact.
> > 
> > The internet provides every possible solution imaginable; for example:
> > 
> > http://forums.redflagdeals.com/removing-stains-made-leaves-sap-etc-657448/
> > 
> > https://www.google.com/search?q=oak+stains+car+finish=utf-8=utf-8=firefox-b-1-ab
> > 
> > What to do?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Gerry
> > 
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