date:20190226

That’s what he told me. I’ll believe it when I see the numbers. He doesn’t keep 
records like I do, so I suspect he was referring to a lengthy road trip he did 
to Atlanta. He probably got good mileage on that.

And yes, it does have ICE COLD AIR.

I did replace the hoses I could see when I got the car. This was the diesel 
that the PO had cobbled up some crazy arrangement with the aluminum 
"catch can” rather than replace all of the little breather lines and fittings 
on the valve cover. Unfortunately, I couldn’t get at the line that failed at 
the time, so it didn’t get replaced.

Does anyone know if there is something special about the bolt that goes into 
the banjo fitting on the engine side of the IP on this engine (OM606)? I ask 
because it looked like there was a allen head plug or screw in the middle of 
the bolt head. I turned it as little as possible to loosen it in case there was 
some sort of adjustment.

-D


 
> On Feb 25, 2019, at 7:26 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 40mpg?  Does it have ICE COLD AIR also?  Best I have ever seen with one of 
> these is about 32.
> 
> On 2/25/2019 6:23 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Oldest son texts me this afternoon: “Car is leaking fuel bad, only when 
>> running. I’m going to pull it in the garage and have a look.”
>> 
>> Hmm. He’s had a fuel leak that we haven’t been able to pinpoint for a long 
>> time, but it’s always been pretty small. He still gets between 30-40 mpg.
>> 
>> So I get home, change into my grubbies, and glove up. I look all over that 
>> thing and I can’t find anything obvious. Start the car and fuel is pouring 
>> out from between the injection pump and engine, but we can’t see into this 
>> area from either above or below. I notice the supply hose from the filter 
>> assembly seems really soft and spongy. I’m thinking it’s got a crack in it, 
>> but we can only see to the fuel heater, which on the OM6076 is in a weird 
>> place on the head under the intake manifold runners for cylinders one and 
>> two. You can’t see a darned thing.
>> 
>> I call my dealer and ask my parts gal about the availability of fuel heater. 
>> “None in the country, nearly 300 in Germany.”
>> 
>> That’s a tell, a really big one. It told me that these things never get 
>> replaced or there would be some inventory in the US parts depots. Hmm.
>> 
>> Off comes the crossover pipe. Can’t see any better. Off comes the intake 
>> manifold.
>> 
>> The spongy hose? It had been connected to the banjo fitting on the side of 
>> the injection pump, but was barely hanging on. It was bent into a 90 degree 
>> elbow with no slack at the turn, and the banjo fitting was pointing down. 
>> There was a clamp on the hose but it was run down so tight that it was 
>> bottomed out.
>> 
>> I broke the banjo fitting loose a bit and rotated it around so we could get 
>> at the clamp. The hose was torn where it was bent into a 90. Great. To add 
>> to the fun, it was clearly not diesel rated hose, and had broken down badly. 
>> I wonder how much schmutz from the inside of the hose got into the engine…
>> 
>> Anyway, we got the clamp and hose off, replaced it with the proper stuff and 
>> new clamps, put everything back together and that was it. Total time maybe 
>> 90 minutes if that. As an added bonus, we were able to take advantage of 
>> taking things apart and get the plastic cover that Karl was so kind to sell 
>> me installed. Nice.
>> 
>> The cars must communicate, as my wagon failed its water pump on Sunday. 
>> Despite the rash of issues, the finnie ran flawlessly to and from work 
>> today. Old Faithful, no doubt.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Pilot asleep at controls of 747

I was flying business class to Amsterdam on KLM, a regular gig when we went to 
the Middle East or Africa, as KLM and El Al were the only airlines we were 
allowed to fly for security reasons. Anyway, I’m on the upper deck of a 747-400 
and my seat back breaks before we take off. We’ve already pushed back and are 
taxiing, so I alert the cabin crew to my predicament and they’re all worked up, 
trying to figure out where they’re going to seat me in an aircraft that is 
full. I told them I wasn’t going to coach (I was hoping for a first class 
bump!) They got on the intercom and conferred for a minute, then a crew member 
came and got me and took me into the crew’s bunkroom. Since it was a flight to 
Europe there was only one crew on board, meaning the crew’s bunkroom wasn’t 
being used.

So I got to fly to Amsterdam in a really nice private, albeit cramped, room. 
Nice bed and small reclining chair to sit in.

-D


> On Feb 25, 2019, at 11:22 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Aircrew is strictly limited to FAA ruled "duty time" for each day. FAA
> mandates how much "duty time" can be done which is not just "flight time at
> the controls". Every airline worldwide has to meet FAA regulations with few
> exceptions in order to operate in airline flight corridors and controlled
> flight altitudes.
> 
> Common practice for long haul international or over ocean flights is to fly
> with two full crews. Unknown to most passengers, large airliners have crew
> rest areas which are not public access, with bunks and kitchen.
> 
> As far as sleeping at the controls and falling against the "stick".
> rules state if you occupy a command seat, you have to have shoulder harness
> and seat belt on. Shoulder harness has auto retract and tension, so if you
> fall forward, it will kick in and "arrest" you.
> 
> I contend the most dangerous part of airline travel is the drive to the
> airport. Your personal view may vary.
> 
> On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 8:36 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> The crews are each three people on the 380. So there are six officers
>> aboard the long haul flights. On Qantas anyway.
>> 
>> There is considerable variation in crew training and staffing levels
>> between airlines. I am sure other airlines fly similar routes with less
>> manpower.
>> 
>> Sleeping at the stick is never going to be a good look. Reminds me of the
>> Payne Stewart crash:
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_South_Dakota_Learjet_crash
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2019, 12:58 PM Larry Turner via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> What I think he said was: a full crew (#1) handled the plane during
>>> landing/take-off while the other rested, then Crew #2 that was resting
>>> handled the duties during the middle part of the flight. I think a
>>> crew consists of 3 to 5 or more members depending on the plane.
>>> 
>>> On 2/25/2019 3:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
 So are you saying that in essence, the sleeping pilot is nothing to
>> worry
 about?
 
 On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 11:49 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> Sydney to LA on the a380 qantas run two complete flight crews. One
>>> handles
> takeoff and landing. The other handles the middle bit. Crew 1 sleeps
>> in
>>> the
> middle.
> 
> For takeoff and landing there is always an extra officer on the flight
>>> deck
> whose job is only to watch the other three and pick up any errors or
> irregularities. A friend is a pilot with them.
> 
> On Sun, Feb 24, 2019, 2:08 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 15:28:45 -0500
>> "arche...@embarqmail.com"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Pilot asleep at controls of 747.
>>> 
>>> https://www.instagram.com/p/BuHB1AyHpUM/
>>> 
>> Gerry wrote:
>> I don't see how airline pilots stay awake on long flights with the
>> autopilots flying the plane. Do they take turns napping? Read books?
>>> Play
>> games? Seems like a boring job most of the time.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W124 E300D Fuel Leak

2019-02-26 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes

It contains a pressure valve to pressurize the fill chamber on the IP.  Not 
adjustable so far as I know, but don't replace it with a plain one!

Pete
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Re: [MBZ] W124 E300D Fuel Leak

Makes sense. I didn’t back it out any more than necessary to be able to rotate 
the banjo part. I just wondered what was inside.

Thanks!

-D

> On Feb 26, 2019, at 7:47 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It contains a pressure valve to pressurize the fill chamber on the IP.  Not 
> adjustable so far as I know, but don't replace it with a plain one!
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W124 E300D Fuel Leak

YES, that is the pressure relief valve on the back (inside) of the IP.   
Has been at least since the debut of the OM621 engine. (1958?)


There was a discussion on this list a couple years ago about stretching 
or replacing the spring to get the relief valve back in spec.


Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 2/26/19 5:02 AM:

That’s what he told me. I’ll believe it when I see the numbers. He doesn’t keep 
records like I do, so I suspect he was referring to a lengthy road trip he did 
to Atlanta. He probably got good mileage on that.

And yes, it does have ICE COLD AIR.

I did replace the hoses I could see when I got the car. This was the diesel 
that the PO had cobbled up some crazy arrangement with the aluminum
"catch can” rather than replace all of the little breather lines and fittings 
on the valve cover. Unfortunately, I couldn’t get at the line that failed at the 
time, so it didn’t get replaced.

Does anyone know if there is something special about the bolt that goes into 
the banjo fitting on the engine side of the IP on this engine (OM606)? I ask 
because it looked like there was a allen head plug or screw in the middle of 
the bolt head. I turned it as little as possible to loosen it in case there was 
some sort of adjustment.

-D





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Re: [MBZ] W124 E300D Fuel Leak

That’s what I thought, as there is a guy on PP that sells “rebuilt” springs for 
these and I recalled that it was under a banjo fitting on the side of the pump. 
What a PITA that has to be to get to!

-D


> On Feb 26, 2019, at 8:31 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> YES, that is the pressure relief valve on the back (inside) of the IP.   Has 
> been at least since the debut of the OM621 engine. (1958?)
> 
> There was a discussion on this list a couple years ago about stretching or 
> replacing the spring to get the relief valve back in spec.
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 2/26/19 5:02 AM:
>> That’s what he told me. I’ll believe it when I see the numbers. He doesn’t 
>> keep records like I do, so I suspect he was referring to a lengthy road trip 
>> he did to Atlanta. He probably got good mileage on that.
>> 
>> And yes, it does have ICE COLD AIR.
>> 
>> I did replace the hoses I could see when I got the car. This was the diesel 
>> that the PO had cobbled up some crazy arrangement with the aluminum
>> "catch can” rather than replace all of the little breather lines and 
>> fittings on the valve cover. Unfortunately, I couldn’t get at the line that 
>> failed at the time, so it didn’t get replaced.
>> 
>> Does anyone know if there is something special about the bolt that goes into 
>> the banjo fitting on the engine side of the IP on this engine (OM606)? I ask 
>> because it looked like there was a allen head plug or screw in the middle of 
>> the bolt head. I turned it as little as possible to loosen it in case there 
>> was some sort of adjustment.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] It's broke

2019-02-26 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes


   On 2/20/19 5:57 PM, Steve wrote:
   Hi, guys,

   All of my Indexes are available at >.
   Click on “Other” tab and in the drop-down select “MB Service Library
   Indexes” and you should be able to download the Zip file of any of
   the Indexes.

   Note that the Early Model Years libraries seem to be broken due to
   changes Adobe (again) made to Flash.

   Enjoy!
   Steve


--FT

On 2/25/19 11:24 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

i got cd1.  took 30-60 min  I didn't keep track  cd2 is working now.

The index won't run on a Mac, but you can open the pdfs.

You need a winders box or a VM running windoze 7 or so,  Xp will work 
too.


Michael Esh via Mercedes wrote on 2/25/19 7:44 PM:

Same here,  however i am trying to download on a Mac.

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Re: [MBZ] W124 E300D Fuel Leak

2019-02-26 Thread MG via Mercedes

If it is the same as on the 617, which I 
think it is. The pressure relief valve is 
within the body of the bolt so unbolting it 
will not change anything in the relief valve 
and for sure turning the banjo fitting will 
not do anything to the relief valve. 
Stretching the spring is simple since all you 
do is take the bolt out entirely and then 
take the Allen head plug, or bolt out of the 
hold down bolt which releases the spring and 
usually a ball under it. Stretch the spring, 
replace the spring making sure the ball is in 
place under it and put the plug back in.


If I remember on the 617 there was a hex head 
bolt and a copper washer under that small 
bolt to seal it so there may also be a washer 
under the Allen head plug or bolt whichever 
it is. I think I remember hearing that 
replacements for the entire hold down bolt 
are now a more or less one piece unit that is 
no longer able to be disassembled.


MG

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

That’s what I thought, as there is a guy on PP that sells “rebuilt” springs for 
these and I recalled that it was under a banjo fitting on the side of the pump. 
What a PITA that has to be to get to!

-D



On Feb 26, 2019, at 8:31 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes  
wrote:

YES, that is the pressure relief valve on the back (inside) of the IP.   Has 
been at least since the debut of the OM621 engine. (1958?)

There was a discussion on this list a couple years ago about stretching or 
replacing the spring to get the relief valve back in spec.

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 2/26/19 5:02 AM:

That’s what he told me. I’ll believe it when I see the numbers. He doesn’t keep 
records like I do, so I suspect he was referring to a lengthy road trip he did 
to Atlanta. He probably got good mileage on that.

And yes, it does have ICE COLD AIR.

I did replace the hoses I could see when I got the car. This was the diesel 
that the PO had cobbled up some crazy arrangement with the aluminum
"catch can” rather than replace all of the little breather lines and fittings 
on the valve cover. Unfortunately, I couldn’t get at the line that failed at the 
time, so it didn’t get replaced.

Does anyone know if there is something special about the bolt that goes into 
the banjo fitting on the engine side of the IP on this engine (OM606)? I ask 
because it looked like there was a allen head plug or screw in the middle of 
the bolt head. I turned it as little as possible to loosen it in case there was 
some sort of adjustment.

-D




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Re: [MBZ] OT: Pilot asleep at controls of 747

 Broken seats are not all that uncommon and they MUST reseat you no matter
how trivial the flaw may seem.

On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 6:10 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I was flying business class to Amsterdam on KLM, a regular gig when we
> went to the Middle East or Africa, as KLM and El Al were the only airlines
> we were allowed to fly for security reasons. Anyway, I’m on the upper deck
> of a 747-400 and my seat back breaks before we take off. We’ve already
> pushed back and are taxiing, so I alert the cabin crew to my predicament
> and they’re all worked up, trying to figure out where they’re going to seat
> me in an aircraft that is full. I told them I wasn’t going to coach (I was
> hoping for a first class bump!) They got on the intercom and conferred for
> a minute, then a crew member came and got me and took me into the crew’s
> bunkroom. Since it was a flight to Europe there was only one crew on board,
> meaning the crew’s bunkroom wasn’t being used.
>
> So I got to fly to Amsterdam in a really nice private, albeit cramped,
> room. Nice bed and small reclining chair to sit in.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Feb 25, 2019, at 11:22 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > Aircrew is strictly limited to FAA ruled "duty time" for each day. FAA
> > mandates how much "duty time" can be done which is not just "flight time
> at
> > the controls". Every airline worldwide has to meet FAA regulations with
> few
> > exceptions in order to operate in airline flight corridors and controlled
> > flight altitudes.
> >
> > Common practice for long haul international or over ocean flights is to
> fly
> > with two full crews. Unknown to most passengers, large airliners have
> crew
> > rest areas which are not public access, with bunks and kitchen.
> >
> > As far as sleeping at the controls and falling against the "stick".
> > rules state if you occupy a command seat, you have to have shoulder
> harness
> > and seat belt on. Shoulder harness has auto retract and tension, so if
> you
> > fall forward, it will kick in and "arrest" you.
> >
> > I contend the most dangerous part of airline travel is the drive to the
> > airport. Your personal view may vary.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 8:36 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The crews are each three people on the 380. So there are six officers
> >> aboard the long haul flights. On Qantas anyway.
> >>
> >> There is considerable variation in crew training and staffing levels
> >> between airlines. I am sure other airlines fly similar routes with less
> >> manpower.
> >>
> >> Sleeping at the stick is never going to be a good look. Reminds me of
> the
> >> Payne Stewart crash:
> >> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_South_Dakota_Learjet_crash
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 25, 2019, 12:58 PM Larry Turner via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> What I think he said was: a full crew (#1) handled the plane during
> >>> landing/take-off while the other rested, then Crew #2 that was resting
> >>> handled the duties during the middle part of the flight. I think a
> >>> crew consists of 3 to 5 or more members depending on the plane.
> >>>
> >>> On 2/25/2019 3:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>  So are you saying that in essence, the sleeping pilot is nothing to
> >> worry
>  about?
> 
>  On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 11:49 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > Sydney to LA on the a380 qantas run two complete flight crews. One
> >>> handles
> > takeoff and landing. The other handles the middle bit. Crew 1 sleeps
> >> in
> >>> the
> > middle.
> >
> > For takeoff and landing there is always an extra officer on the
> flight
> >>> deck
> > whose job is only to watch the other three and pick up any errors or
> > irregularities. A friend is a pilot with them.
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 24, 2019, 2:08 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 15:28:45 -0500
> >> "arche...@embarqmail.com"  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Pilot asleep at controls of 747.
> >>>
> >>> https://www.instagram.com/p/BuHB1AyHpUM/
> >>>
> >> Gerry wrote:
> >> I don't see how airline pilots stay awake on long flights with the
> >> autopilots flying the plane. Do they take turns napping? Read books?
> >>> Play
> >> games? Seems like a boring job most of the time.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Pilot asleep at controls of 747

Yup. I know that all too well. I actually enjoyed the bunkroom as it had all 
the amenities of home despite being a little cramped, and when the cabin crew  
ducked in to get a break they usually brought me food and drinks, too.

-D

> On Feb 26, 2019, at 10:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
>  Broken seats are not all that uncommon and they MUST reseat you no matter 
> how trivial the flaw may seem.
> 
> On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 6:10 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> I was flying business class to Amsterdam on KLM, a regular gig when we went 
> to the Middle East or Africa, as KLM and El Al were the only airlines we were 
> allowed to fly for security reasons. Anyway, I’m on the upper deck of a 
> 747-400 and my seat back breaks before we take off. We’ve already pushed back 
> and are taxiing, so I alert the cabin crew to my predicament and they’re all 
> worked up, trying to figure out where they’re going to seat me in an aircraft 
> that is full. I told them I wasn’t going to coach (I was hoping for a first 
> class bump!) They got on the intercom and conferred for a minute, then a crew 
> member came and got me and took me into the crew’s bunkroom. Since it was a 
> flight to Europe there was only one crew on board, meaning the crew’s 
> bunkroom wasn’t being used.
> 
> So I got to fly to Amsterdam in a really nice private, albeit cramped, room. 
> Nice bed and small reclining chair to sit in.
> 
> -D

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[MBZ] Black finnie on BAT with an unusual acquisition history

"This 1962 Mercedes-Benz 220Sb was won by the seller’s parents as the grand
prize in a church raffle in 1985 after the church’s priest donated it prior
to moving to a new parish. The car is finished in black over red leather,
and power comes from a 2.2-liter carbureted inline-six paired with a
column-shifted 4-speed manual transmission. An oil change was completed in
preparation for the sale. This W111 is titled to the seller’s parents, and
is now offered on their behalf with service records dating back 34 years,
an owner’s manual, the raffle ticket that won it in 1985, and a clean
California title."

Notable upgrade is the Pioneer cassette player (!)  Not nearly as nice as
Dan's, to put it mildly...

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1962-mercedes-benz-220s/?utm_source=dailymail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2019-02-26
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[MBZ] '86 Cartier Edition Lincoln Town Dar on BAT at NR

A lot to unwrap here.  The height of luxury - first year of 3rd brake
light; all the bells and whistles representing the highest tech of the era;
and an implicit Cartier endorsement.  Yet the bidding isn't exactly catchin
fire.

Any predictions?  My crystal ball says $9500

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Re: [MBZ] I Picked up the “Sherman Tank” W124

2019-02-26 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes

I have never had an issue doing them in the car on a 124 or 201 with that 
special plier tool

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> On Feb 25, 2019, at 10:00 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> no room in the 124 to do the front gearshift bushing one that way.  Rear one 
> you can use a bolt. I use channellocks.  Started that 48 years ago on the 110.
> 
> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote on 2/25/19 10:50 AM:
>> I did them on the 126 using a bolt and some washers, which I think is kinda 
>> the po-man's tool.  Someone at some point had suggested that approach.  It 
>> worked OK but was a bit fiddly as there was not a lot of room up in there to 
>> turn the nut/bolt to squeeze in the bushing.  But it didn't cost $40 and I 
>> didn't have to deal with finding the special tool either, so there's that.  
>> I don't know how the 124 compares to the 126 (and 123 too) so YMMV.
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Pilot asleep at controls of 747

2019-02-26 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes

That wouldn’t happen now days. They would pull back to the gate and throw you 
off.

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> On Feb 26, 2019, at 5:09 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I was flying business class to Amsterdam on KLM, a regular gig when we went 
> to the Middle East or Africa, as KLM and El Al were the only airlines we were 
> allowed to fly for security reasons. Anyway, I’m on the upper deck of a 
> 747-400 and my seat back breaks before we take off. We’ve already pushed back 
> and are taxiing, so I alert the cabin crew to my predicament and they’re all 
> worked up, trying to figure out where they’re going to seat me in an aircraft 
> that is full. I told them I wasn’t going to coach (I was hoping for a first 
> class bump!) They got on the intercom and conferred for a minute, then a crew 
> member came and got me and took me into the crew’s bunkroom. Since it was a 
> flight to Europe there was only one crew on board, meaning the crew’s 
> bunkroom wasn’t being used.
> 
> So I got to fly to Amsterdam in a really nice private, albeit cramped, room. 
> Nice bed and small reclining chair to sit in.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Feb 25, 2019, at 11:22 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Aircrew is strictly limited to FAA ruled "duty time" for each day. FAA
>> mandates how much "duty time" can be done which is not just "flight time at
>> the controls". Every airline worldwide has to meet FAA regulations with few
>> exceptions in order to operate in airline flight corridors and controlled
>> flight altitudes.
>> 
>> Common practice for long haul international or over ocean flights is to fly
>> with two full crews. Unknown to most passengers, large airliners have crew
>> rest areas which are not public access, with bunks and kitchen.
>> 
>> As far as sleeping at the controls and falling against the "stick".
>> rules state if you occupy a command seat, you have to have shoulder harness
>> and seat belt on. Shoulder harness has auto retract and tension, so if you
>> fall forward, it will kick in and "arrest" you.
>> 
>> I contend the most dangerous part of airline travel is the drive to the
>> airport. Your personal view may vary.
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 8:36 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> The crews are each three people on the 380. So there are six officers
>>> aboard the long haul flights. On Qantas anyway.
>>> 
>>> There is considerable variation in crew training and staffing levels
>>> between airlines. I am sure other airlines fly similar routes with less
>>> manpower.
>>> 
>>> Sleeping at the stick is never going to be a good look. Reminds me of the
>>> Payne Stewart crash:
>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_South_Dakota_Learjet_crash
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2019, 12:58 PM Larry Turner via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 What I think he said was: a full crew (#1) handled the plane during
 landing/take-off while the other rested, then Crew #2 that was resting
 handled the duties during the middle part of the flight. I think a
 crew consists of 3 to 5 or more members depending on the plane.
 
> On 2/25/2019 3:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> So are you saying that in essence, the sleeping pilot is nothing to
>>> worry
> about?
> 
> On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 11:49 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Sydney to LA on the a380 qantas run two complete flight crews. One
 handles
>> takeoff and landing. The other handles the middle bit. Crew 1 sleeps
>>> in
 the
>> middle.
>> 
>> For takeoff and landing there is always an extra officer on the flight
 deck
>> whose job is only to watch the other three and pick up any errors or
>> irregularities. A friend is a pilot with them.
>> 
>> On Sun, Feb 24, 2019, 2:08 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 15:28:45 -0500
>>> "arche...@embarqmail.com"  wrote:
>>> 
 Pilot asleep at controls of 747.
 
 https://www.instagram.com/p/BuHB1AyHpUM/
 
>>> Gerry wrote:
>>> I don't see how airline pilots stay awake on long flights with the
>>> autopilots flying the plane. Do they take turns napping? Read books?
 Play
>>> games? Seems like a boring job most of the time.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Pilot asleep at controls of 747

Doubt it. Not for a business class passenger. Business and first class 
passengers are the ones that pay the bills. Kick me off the flight? You just 
dropped $2k in airfare.

-D


> On Feb 26, 2019, at 10:55 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That wouldn’t happen now days. They would pull back to the gate and throw you 
> off.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 26, 2019, at 5:09 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I was flying business class to Amsterdam on KLM, a regular gig when we went 
>> to the Middle East or Africa, as KLM and El Al were the only airlines we 
>> were allowed to fly for security reasons. Anyway, I’m on the upper deck of a 
>> 747-400 and my seat back breaks before we take off. We’ve already pushed 
>> back and are taxiing, so I alert the cabin crew to my predicament and 
>> they’re all worked up, trying to figure out where they’re going to seat me 
>> in an aircraft that is full. I told them I wasn’t going to coach (I was 
>> hoping for a first class bump!) They got on the intercom and conferred for a 
>> minute, then a crew member came and got me and took me into the crew’s 
>> bunkroom. Since it was a flight to Europe there was only one crew on board, 
>> meaning the crew’s bunkroom wasn’t being used.
>> 
>> So I got to fly to Amsterdam in a really nice private, albeit cramped, room. 
>> Nice bed and small reclining chair to sit in.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2019, at 11:22 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Aircrew is strictly limited to FAA ruled "duty time" for each day. FAA
>>> mandates how much "duty time" can be done which is not just "flight time at
>>> the controls". Every airline worldwide has to meet FAA regulations with few
>>> exceptions in order to operate in airline flight corridors and controlled
>>> flight altitudes.
>>> 
>>> Common practice for long haul international or over ocean flights is to fly
>>> with two full crews. Unknown to most passengers, large airliners have crew
>>> rest areas which are not public access, with bunks and kitchen.
>>> 
>>> As far as sleeping at the controls and falling against the "stick".
>>> rules state if you occupy a command seat, you have to have shoulder harness
>>> and seat belt on. Shoulder harness has auto retract and tension, so if you
>>> fall forward, it will kick in and "arrest" you.
>>> 
>>> I contend the most dangerous part of airline travel is the drive to the
>>> airport. Your personal view may vary.
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 8:36 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 The crews are each three people on the 380. So there are six officers
 aboard the long haul flights. On Qantas anyway.
 
 There is considerable variation in crew training and staffing levels
 between airlines. I am sure other airlines fly similar routes with less
 manpower.
 
 Sleeping at the stick is never going to be a good look. Reminds me of the
 Payne Stewart crash:
 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_South_Dakota_Learjet_crash
 
 
 
 
 On Mon, Feb 25, 2019, 12:58 PM Larry Turner via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> What I think he said was: a full crew (#1) handled the plane during
> landing/take-off while the other rested, then Crew #2 that was resting
> handled the duties during the middle part of the flight. I think a
> crew consists of 3 to 5 or more members depending on the plane.
> 
>> On 2/25/2019 3:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> So are you saying that in essence, the sleeping pilot is nothing to
 worry
>> about?
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 11:49 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Sydney to LA on the a380 qantas run two complete flight crews. One
> handles
>>> takeoff and landing. The other handles the middle bit. Crew 1 sleeps
 in
> the
>>> middle.
>>> 
>>> For takeoff and landing there is always an extra officer on the flight
> deck
>>> whose job is only to watch the other three and pick up any errors or
>>> irregularities. A friend is a pilot with them.
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Feb 24, 2019, 2:08 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 15:28:45 -0500
 "arche...@embarqmail.com"  wrote:
 
> Pilot asleep at controls of 747.
> 
> https://www.instagram.com/p/BuHB1AyHpUM/
> 
 Gerry wrote:
 I don't see how airline pilots stay awake on long flights with the
 autopilots flying the plane. Do they take turns napping? Read books?
> Play
 games? Seems like a boring job most of the time.
 
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Re: [MBZ] I Picked up the “Sherman Tank” W124

2019-02-26 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes

Next nubie 124 owner question. Had to utilize the defrosters this morning. I 
had the defrost button mashed, fan on low and every 20 minutes or so the fan 
would suddenly go to high, stay there for maybe two minutes, then go back down 
to low. WTF?

Bob R

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> On Feb 26, 2019, at 8:52 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have never had an issue doing them in the car on a 124 or 201 with that 
> special plier tool
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 25, 2019, at 10:00 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> no room in the 124 to do the front gearshift bushing one that way.  Rear one 
>> you can use a bolt. I use channellocks.  Started that 48 years ago on the 
>> 110.
>> 
>> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote on 2/25/19 10:50 AM:
>>> I did them on the 126 using a bolt and some washers, which I think is kinda 
>>> the po-man's tool.  Someone at some point had suggested that approach.  It 
>>> worked OK but was a bit fiddly as there was not a lot of room up in there 
>>> to turn the nut/bolt to squeeze in the bushing.  But it didn't cost $40 and 
>>> I didn't have to deal with finding the special tool either, so there's 
>>> that.  I don't know how the 124 compares to the 126 (and 123 too) so YMMV.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] I Picked up the “Sherman Tank” W124

2019-02-26 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes

Oh, and another one.the cruise control...when I went to engage (push up) it 
it would accelerate like if I were pushing it forward. It would accelerate for 
a second then pause, accelerate for a second then pause, accelerate for a 
second then pause and it kept this up until I hit the brake. Pushing the stalk 
in any other direction had no effect on it. WTF?

Bob R

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> On Feb 26, 2019, at 8:52 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have never had an issue doing them in the car on a 124 or 201 with that 
> special plier tool
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 25, 2019, at 10:00 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> no room in the 124 to do the front gearshift bushing one that way.  Rear one 
>> you can use a bolt. I use channellocks.  Started that 48 years ago on the 
>> 110.
>> 
>> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote on 2/25/19 10:50 AM:
>>> I did them on the 126 using a bolt and some washers, which I think is kinda 
>>> the po-man's tool.  Someone at some point had suggested that approach.  It 
>>> worked OK but was a bit fiddly as there was not a lot of room up in there 
>>> to turn the nut/bolt to squeeze in the bushing.  But it didn't cost $40 and 
>>> I didn't have to deal with finding the special tool either, so there's 
>>> that.  I don't know how the 124 compares to the 126 (and 123 too) so YMMV.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] I Picked up the “Sherman Tank” W124

2019-02-26 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

 IIRC the defrost (left most?) button ignores the fan speed setting and puts 
you into max fan for "full defrost".
If you wanted windshield vent that responds to fan speed its the next button to 
the right.
Still yours isn't working right, I suspect it needs a re-solder...
-Curt

On Tuesday, February 26, 2019, 11:31:19 AM EST, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Next nubie 124 owner question. Had to utilize the defrosters this morning. I 
had the defrost button mashed, fan on low and every 20 minutes or so the fan 
would suddenly go to high, stay there for maybe two minutes, then go back down 
to low. WTF?

Bob R

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> On Feb 26, 2019, at 8:52 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have never had an issue doing them in the car on a 124 or 201 with that 
> special plier tool
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 25, 2019, at 10:00 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> no room in the 124 to do the front gearshift bushing one that way.  Rear one 
>> you can use a bolt. I use channellocks.  Started that 48 years ago on the 
>> 110.
>> 
>> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote on 2/25/19 10:50 AM:
>>> I did them on the 126 using a bolt and some washers, which I think is kinda 
>>> the po-man's tool.  Someone at some point had suggested that approach.  It 
>>> worked OK but was a bit fiddly as there was not a lot of room up in there 
>>> to turn the nut/bolt to squeeze in the bushing.  But it didn't cost $40 and 
>>> I didn't have to deal with finding the special tool either, so there's 
>>> that.  I don't know how the 124 compares to the 126 (and 123 too) so YMMV.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] I Picked up the “Sherman Tank” W124

2019-02-26 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Mon, 25 Feb 2019 13:39:22 -0700 Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I reckon I’ll take it off the car and do it on the bench with the nuts
> and bolts part. I hope you guys are gonna be patient with my thousand
> and one questions on this thing. Something that just occurred which
> kind of freaked me out a little bit is that I stopped to put fuel in it
> and I go to take the fuel cap off the furl tank is pressurized. WTF 

I had that happen regularly when I took the fuel cap off our previouse
E300D/2.5 Turbo. I don't recall it happening on the gasser W124s we had.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] I Picked up the “Sherman Tank” W124

Vent line from tank  to above the rear axle is plugged.  Mud daubers 
like it. There is a rubber "flapper or door" on the end of the tube.


Craig via Mercedes wrote on 2/26/19 11:51 AM:

On Mon, 25 Feb 2019 13:39:22 -0700 Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
 wrote:


... Something that just occurred which
kind of freaked me out a little bit is that I stopped to put fuel in it
and I go to take the fuel cap off the furl tank is pressurized. WTF





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[MBZ] More Finnie Fun!

2019-02-26 Thread Daniel Penoff via Mercedes

Some small updates:

http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2019/2/26_Its_Windlace%2C_not_Windlass.html

-D



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Re: [MBZ] '86 Cartier Edition Lincoln Town Dar on BAT at NR

2019-02-26 Thread G Mann via Mercedes

Does it come with a 3 car garage to park it in? If you open the doors you
need the room.. Then, you need an 8,000 gallon gas truck to follow you
where ever you go...
Predict the bidding is at or near peak.


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> A lot to unwrap here.  The height of luxury - first year of 3rd brake
> light; all the bells and whistles representing the highest tech of the era;
> and an implicit Cartier endorsement.  Yet the bidding isn't exactly catchin
> fire.
>
> Any predictions?  My crystal ball says $9500
>
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Re: [MBZ] '86 Cartier Edition Lincoln Town Dar on BAT at NR

2019-02-26 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

I'm holding out for the Bill Blass edition.

Bill Blass went to my high school (long before me, of course) and was a
good friend of one my friend's dad, they had gone to HS together too.
BB would come back to visit the old home town occasionally, and would
visit my friend's parents. At the time I probably had no idea who he
was or what he did, only after the car edition.

--R

On 2/26/19 4:14 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Does it come with a 3 car garage to park it in? If you open the doors you
need the room.. Then, you need an 8,000 gallon gas truck to follow you
where ever you go...
Predict the bidding is at or near peak.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

A lot to unwrap here. The height of luxury - first year of 3rd brake
light; all the bells and whistles representing the highest tech of the era;
and an implicit Cartier endorsement. Yet the bidding isn't exactly catchin
fire.

Any predictions? My crystal ball says $9500

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Re: [MBZ] '86 Cartier Edition Lincoln Town Dar on BAT at NR

I went to school with Henry "The Fonz" Winkler.  I was the better student
but he had the last laugh.

On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 4:23 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I'm holding out for the Bill Blass edition.
>
> Bill Blass went to my high school (long before me, of course) and was a
> good friend of one my friend's dad, they had gone to HS together too.
> BB would come back to visit the old home town occasionally, and would
> visit my friend's parents.  At the time I probably had no idea who he
> was or what he did, only after the car edition.
>
> --R
>
> On 2/26/19 4:14 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> > Does it come with a 3 car garage to park it in? If you open the doors you
> > need the room.. Then, you need an 8,000 gallon gas truck to follow you
> > where ever you go...
> > Predict the bidding is at or near peak.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 8:38 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> A lot to unwrap here.  The height of luxury - first year of 3rd brake
> >> light; all the bells and whistles representing the highest tech of the
> era;
> >> and an implicit Cartier endorsement.  Yet the bidding isn't exactly
> catchin
> >> fire.
> >>
> >> Any predictions?  My crystal ball says $9500
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] It's broke

2019-02-26 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes

Curley wrote:
> i got cd1.  took 30-60 min  I didn't keep track  cd2 is working now.

cd1 is done.
how large is cd2?  ...still working...
tin

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[MBZ] 87 300D squeal when turning


When it rains it pours.

tonight #1 daughter said her car needs a GP.  OK, I just hope it is not #3.

She also said it squeals (in the front) when turning right, or turning 
right while braking.   That is an odd one.  It reportedly is not a brake 
squeal.  Other than brake pads, all I can think of is to check the 
calipers are tight to the spindle and check wheel bearings.


Am I missing something?

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Re: [MBZ] 87 300D squeal when turning

2019-02-26 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes

Sometimes I have noticed the same thing. I hypothesized that it was due to the 
rotor getting a little twisted due to too much play in the bearing and rubbing 
on the pads

--FT
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> On Feb 26, 2019, at 8:54 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> When it rains it pours.
> 
> tonight #1 daughter said her car needs a GP.  OK, I just hope it is not #3.
> 
> She also said it squeals (in the front) when turning right, or turning right 
> while braking.   That is an odd one.  It reportedly is not a brake squeal.  
> Other than brake pads, all I can think of is to check the calipers are tight 
> to the spindle and check wheel bearings.
> 
> Am I missing something?
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300D squeal when turning

2019-02-26 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

Tire squeal? Out of alignment? Freshly sealed black top? Some areas of the 
country actually have above freezing temperatures, I hear. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300D squeal when turning

thanks, that is a good idea.  I had thought it might be something to do 
with the caliper or wheel bearings being too loose.  will check all 
Fri/Sat when it is here for service.   I've never heard it, and I am 
told by 2 females it does not sound like a brake squeal, not like a 
wheel bearing grinding.  That is what leaves me puzzled.   If it was as 
you say, i'd think it would still sound like a brake squeal.  We'll see 
what I find.


Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote on 2/26/19 8:12 PM:

Sometimes I have noticed the same thing. I hypothesized that it was due to the 
rotor getting a little twisted due to too much play in the bearing and rubbing 
on the pads

--FT
Sent from iPhone


On Feb 26, 2019, at 8:54 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes  
wrote:

When it rains it pours.

tonight #1 daughter said her car needs a GP.  OK, I just hope it is not #3.

She also said it squeals (in the front) when turning right, or turning right 
while braking.   That is an odd one.  It reportedly is not a brake squeal.  
Other than brake pads, all I can think of is to check the calipers are tight to 
the spindle and check wheel bearings.

Am I missing something?

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Re: [MBZ] 87 300D squeal when turning