[MBZ] who wanted a 108?
https://northernwi.craigslist.org/cto/d/la-pointe-1970-mercedes-benz-280-se/6988477313.html $5k asking ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this
Put an OM602 turbo in it! Vroom! G Mann via Mercedes wrote on 10/5/19 4:24 PM: Kaleb... it's GREEN you don't already own it? On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 2:01 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/415765289135836/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this
NOT A 1959 If someone wants to find a Chassis number from it, I can guestimate the year. 1959- 1961 = 190Db = ponton. 1962-1965=190Dc, Chassis 110.110 66-67 pus some titled as 1968=200D=chassis number still 110.110. 111 introduced in Yurp in 1959, limited production. 111 introduced in USA in 1962 as 220Sb, 220SEb. Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 10/5/19 4:01 PM: https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/415765289135836/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: SL diff mounts r129
CAR-PART.COM Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 10/5/19 1:35 PM: Yabut I need a good core to rebuild, would like to have a spare on the shelf. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Paging Larry T
Fun Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 5, 2019, at 8:59 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes > wrote: > > The W124 is fine. I am fine. I’m learning way too much right now. Probably > going back to Houston next week more MRIs and bone scan and biopsy. Fun > stuff. > > Bob R > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 5, 2019, at 5:17 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Speaking of which how is it doing? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Oct 5, 2019, at 6:10 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> I still have one >>> >>> Bob R >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Oct 5, 2019, at 3:24 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: I sent a message off list, but you didn't respond. Do you still have the W124? Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: SL diff mounts r129
Just call Tom Hanson or search the Classic Center Germany website to see what their inventory is. The standard struts are still available. On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 11:37 AM Max Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Glad to hear it! I had no idea there were such struts. How hard was it > to track down a source? > -- > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > > On October 5, 2019 10:45:03 AM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >Hi Max. The SLS is going back to stock. I got two of the last 3 > >sportline > >SLS struts out of Germany for it, and sportline springs. So I will be > >keeping the SLS valve. I did have to selectively modify the valve > >mounting > >bracket with a 2lb hammer to get a 22mm rear 500e swaybar to fit, but > >other > >than that it will be pretty much stock sportline suspension in the end. > > > >On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 3:01 AM Max Dillon via Mercedes < > >mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> If you are removing the SLS, sell me the dual circuit steering pump > >and > >> the control valve. > >> -- > >> Max Dillon > >> Charleston SC > >> > >> On October 5, 2019 12:22:14 AM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> >Swapping a 500e subframe into the 87 wagon is one of the more > >pointless > >> >things I have done, but the old one is out and I am building up the > >new > >> >frame, so no going back. Just did it to fit a 210mm diff in for a > >> >limited > >> >slip carrier. The whole assembly will all be new stuff, except the > >> >pinion > >> >seal - didn't feel like messing with the nut on the pinion. > >> > > >> >It used to squeak from the left rear wheel at slow speeds on bumps. > >I > >> >thought it was the spindle bearings on the lower control arm, but I > >was > >> >wrong. Most of the stuff had already been done a few years ago with > >> >Meyle > >> >etc stuff; those spherical bearings were new and smooth. Of course I > >> >had > >> >new OE ones, and the tool, so out they came anyway. > >> > > >> >Come to find the SLS struts have a spherical bearing on the bottom. > >> >This > >> >chassis must have over 300k on it, and I'm pretty sure these were > >the > >> >original struts. All oily, the little bellows things were long gone, > >> >and > >> >the left lower ball joint was completely dry and sticky. I got some > >new > >> >OE > >> >sportline ones out of Germany a while back, so in they go. > >> > > >> >The rear springs were some dropped height aftermarket affairs. All > >they > >> >did > >> >was wear out my rear tires on the insides. New OE sportline stuff > >going > >> >in. > >> >Then I will have to put new ones in the front to match. > >> > > >> >The little toe-in eccentric links are NLA from Mercedes, so I got > >some > >> >Lemforders from partscontainer on ebay. I don't think Lemforder make > >> >them > >> >any more. > >> > > >> >The diff mounts are holding me up. Turns out the OE mounts are NLA. > >We > >> >are > >> >talking like early 90s 500sl stuff. I found some in Latvia so they > >are > >> >probably on a boat somewhere. I even have a fancy diff mount removal > >> >tool, > >> >but of course it is for a non v8 w124 and the SL/500e mounts have > >twice > >> >the > >> >diameter, so the dies on the removal tool won't work for the larger > >> >mounts > >> >without ripping the centers out of the old mounts. I guess I will > >round > >> >up > >> >a generic bearing removal tool with a set of dies on ebay or amazon > >to > >> >get > >> >the mounts out and in. If I can get the old ones out in one piece I > >> >will > >> >dissolve the rubber out and fill them with urethane and maybe use > >them > >> >in > >> >the e420. > >> > > >> >Once I get the new 500SL diff mounted, I can measure the driveshaft > >> >length > >> >and see if the v8 sedan rear section will fit. > >> > > >> >Fortunately the rear wheel bearings had already been done by the > >> >previous > >> >owner. That job is supposedly a bear on the wagons because the > >bearing > >> >diameter is bigger and the rollers get caught somehow when pressing > >it > >> >out. > >> >So at least I don't have to go buy a press this weekend. > >> > > >> >Broke the shield over the fuel pump area (I don't know what it > >protects > >> >on > >> >the diesel cars) just ahead of the right rear wheel well. It had a > >> >rounded > >> >off nylon nut that was totally inaccessible with the subframe > >halfway > >> >out. > >> >So I could not remove it. Subframe got caught on the shield and > >ripped > >> >a > >> >corner off. Someone in NC had an old stock part. Those shields are > >> >pretty > >> >strong, with fiber reinforcement of some type. > >> > > >> >Finally got David Hendy to send me a new red wiring connector for > >the > >> >airbag, so that was very cool. He is a good guy. I broke the old one > >> >when > >> >changing the multifunction stalk out. > >> > > >> >I have been driving the car around with only one front seat for > >awhile. > >> >Amazing how roomy the car is like that.
Re: [MBZ] Paging Larry T
As a result, the W124 isn’t getting much attention. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 5, 2019, at 5:17 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > Speaking of which how is it doing? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 5, 2019, at 6:10 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I still have one >> >> Bob R >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Oct 5, 2019, at 3:24 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> I sent a message off list, but you didn't respond. >>> Do you still have the W124? >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Paging Larry T
The W124 is fine. I am fine. I’m learning way too much right now. Probably going back to Houston next week more MRIs and bone scan and biopsy. Fun stuff. Bob R Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 5, 2019, at 5:17 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > Speaking of which how is it doing? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 5, 2019, at 6:10 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I still have one >> >> Bob R >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Oct 5, 2019, at 3:24 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> I sent a message off list, but you didn't respond. >>> Do you still have the W124? >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hey Clay
Nope, not mine. I am down to stuff that will go along with the W126 sale and a few bits and bobs that will fit a host of other examples. A wall of nuts/bolts/screws door latches, and a few more thing like that clay > On Oct 5, 2019, at 2:23 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > > Just curious. Is any of the stuff in this ad stuff you got rid of? > > Rick > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Paging Larry T
Speaking of which how is it doing? Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 5, 2019, at 6:10 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes > wrote: > > I still have one > > Bob R > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 5, 2019, at 3:24 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I sent a message off list, but you didn't respond. >> Do you still have the W124? >> >> Rick >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Paging Larry T
I still have one Bob R Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 5, 2019, at 3:24 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > > I sent a message off list, but you didn't respond. > Do you still have the W124? > > Rick > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Paging Larry T
I sent a message off list, but you didn't respond. Do you still have the W124? Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New Michael Moore-backed doc[umentary] tackles alternative energy
On Sat, 5 Oct 2019 16:26:04 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > What Rick said - I want a backyard thorium reactor/generator. > > On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 4:17 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >The only true "clean" alternate energy source at the present time is > > > > Thorium. > > > > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nuclear_power I would like a backyard thorium reactor/generator, too. Note, however, that I said "at the present time". From Rick's reference above, Possible disadvantages Some experts note possible specific disadvantages of thorium nuclear power: * Significant and expensive testing, analysis and licensing work is first required, requiring business and government support.[16] In a 2012 report on the use of thorium fuel with existing water-cooled reactors, the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists suggested that it would "require too great an investment and provide no clear payoff", and that "from the utilities’ point of view, the only legitimate driver capable of motivating pursuit of thorium is economics". [29] 16. http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf62.html#References , World Nuclear Association 29. Nelson, Andrew T. (Sep–Oct 2012). "Thorium: Not a near-term commercial nuclear fuel". Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists. 68 (5): 33 – 44. doi:10.1177/0096340212459125. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New Michael Moore-backed doc[umentary] tackles alternative energy
YIMBY! Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don via Mercedes Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2019 2:26 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: OK Don Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Michael Moore-backed doc[umentary] tackles alternative energy What Rick said - I want a backyard thorium reactor/generator. On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 4:17 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > >The only true "clean" alternate energy source at the present time is > > Thorium. > > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nuclear_power > > Rick > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this
Yeah that needs to saved. I’d fersher get it if it was close to me --FT Sent from iPhone > On Oct 5, 2019, at 5:24 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > > Kaleb... it's GREEN you don't already own it? > > On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 2:01 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/415765289135836/ >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New Michael Moore-backed doc[umentary] tackles alternative energy
What Rick said - I want a backyard thorium reactor/generator. On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 4:17 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > >The only true "clean" alternate energy source at the present time is > > Thorium. > > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nuclear_power > > Rick > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this
Kaleb... it's GREEN you don't already own it? On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 2:01 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/415765289135836/ > > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New Michael Moore-backed doc[umentary] tackles alternative energy
>The only true "clean" alternate energy source at the present time is Thorium. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nuclear_power Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Somebody needs this
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/415765289135836/ Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mildly interested in this 07 ML320
I wouldn't expect it to be rusty as the pictures are clean. On Sat, Oct 5, 2019, 10:07 AM Dwight Giles via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Huntington Valley is,southern PA. Migjt not be,rusty. > > Dwight Giles Jr. > Wickford RI > > On Fri, Oct 4, 2019, 11:34 PM Craig via Mercedes > wrote: > > > On Fri, 04 Oct 2019 12:18:17 -0400 Allan Streib via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > > > Looking to replace the Frontier with something that has more passenger > > > room and can still do winter driving and some hauling. > > > > > > > > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Mercedes-Benz-M-Class-ML320-CDI-DIESEL-4WD-SUV-CLEAN-CARFAX-NON-SMOKER/153670900650?hash=item23c77fdbaa:g:Sh8AAOSwHzNdbZuX > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > A little worried about rust given the location. The Frontier is > > > disintegrating from within with rust. Outside it looks good but frame > > > and everything underneath is cancerous. > > > > If you a a little worried about a vehicle from Pennsylvania, why not look > > for one from the southern tier. The South Carolina boys and Dan in > Florida > > find lots of good ones. > > > > > > Craig > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Price of Benzin
Filled up the Burb today $2.19 at Costco. Lot less painful for 28gal at that price --R Sent from iPhone > On Oct 5, 2019, at 1:21 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > is back down to the "normal" levels here. 2.68 and 2.69 from the post > suni-shiite raid peaks 20¢ higher. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New Michael Moore-backed doc[umentary] tackles alternative energy
On Sat, 5 Oct 2019 17:52:44 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > I've got them at camp which is where they make perfect sense. Our use > of propane has cut down by 1/3 and our disposable battery use is down > probably 80%. In select situations, like stand-alone systems beyond economical connection to the power grid, solar cell panels do make sense, but as a replacement for nation-wide primary power sources they do not. All solar electric sources must have on-line, spinning reserves to immediately pick up the load when the sun goes behind clouds to prevent power grid instability. When this is accomplished with coal or other hydrocarbon sources, the "pollution" reduction of the solar source is certainly mitigated and maybe eliminated. While roof-top solar electric cell arrays can be an economic boon for an individual homeowner, if everyone did it our power grid could become unstable. The only true "clean" alternate energy source at the present time is hydroelectric, and there are many activists who are against that. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New Michael Moore-backed doc[umentary] tackles alternative energy
I have a couple on the Motor Home. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2019 10:38 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Andrew Strasfogel Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Michael Moore-backed doc[umentary] tackles alternative energy So am I the only lister with rooftop solar panels? On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > Or, to put it another way, "follow the money". > > On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 11:39 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Amazing how the laws of physics (the laws of nature, and nature's God) > > some times reach out and smack you when you least expect it! Those laws > > reign over the cult of envirocommies too. > > > > Craig via Mercedes wrote on 10/5/19 11:04 AM: > > > A surprising conclusion from an unexpected place. > > > > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > > https://apnews.com/933b49681b0d47d3a005d356f35251ab > > > > > > LOS ANGELES (AP) — What if alternative energy isn’t all it’s cracked up > > > to be? That’s the provocative question explored in the documentary > > > “Planet of the Humans,” which is backed and promoted by filmmaker > Michael > > > Moore and directed by one of his longtime collaborators. It premiered > > > last week at his Traverse City Film Festival. > > > > > > The film, which does not yet have distribution, is a low-budget but > > > piercing examination of what the filmmakers say are the false promises > of > > > the environmental movement and why we’re still “addicted” to fossil > > > fuels. Director Jeff Gibbs takes on electric cars, solar panels, > > > windmills, biomass, biofuel, leading environmentalist groups like the > > > Sierra Club, and even figures from Al Gore and Van Jones, who served as > > > Barack Obama’s special adviser for green jobs, to 350.org leader Bill > > > McKibben, a leading environmentalist and advocate for grassroots > climate > > > change movements. > > > > > > Gibbs, who produced Moore’s “Bowling for Columbine” and “Fahrenheit > > > 9/11,” didn’t set out to take on the environmental movement. He said he > > > wanted to know why things weren’t getting better. But when he started > > > pulling on the thread, he and Moore said they were shocked to find how > > > inextricably entangled alternative energy is with coal and natural gas, > > > since they say everything from wind turbines to electric car charging > > > stations are tethered to the grid, and even how two of the Koch > brothers > > > — Charles and David — are tied to solar panel production through their > > > glass production business. > > > > > > “It turned out the wakeup call was about our own side,” Gibbs said in a > > > phone interview. “It was kind of crushing to discover that the things I > > > believed in weren’t real, first of all, and then to discover not only > are > > > the solar panels and wind turbines not going to save us ... but (also) > > > that there is this whole dark side of the corporate money ... It dawned > > > on me that these technologies were just another profit center.” > > > > > > Both know the film is going to be a “tough pill to swallow.” It was a > > > difficult eye-opener for them as well. > > > > > > “We all want to feel good about something like the electric car, but in > > > the back of your head somewhere you’ve thought, ’Yeah, but where is the > > > electricity coming from?' And it’s like, ‘I don’t want to think about > > > that, I’m glad we have electric cars,’” Moore said. “I’ve passed by the > > > windmill farms, and oh it’s so beautiful to see them going, and don’t > > > tell me that we’ve gone too far now and it isn’t going to save us ... > > > Well, my feeling is just hit me with everything. I’m like let’s just > deal > > > with it now, all at once.” > > > > > > It’s part of the reason why they had to make it independently. Gibbs > said > > > he tried for years to get an environmental group on board to help > offset > > > the costs, only to be turned down at every door. He was further > > > disheartened when, in the film, he approaches people like Jones, > McKibben > > > and a local Sierra Club leader, and asks them about their stance on > > > biofuel and biomass. Biomass, like wood and garbage, can be used to > > > produce heat and is considered a renewable source of energy. It can > also > > > be converted to gas or liquid biofuels that can be burned for energy. > > > > > > He finds every one ill-prepared to comment on their stance about the > > > biomass process, which the documentary says requires cutting down > > > enormous numbers of trees to produce the woodchips that are converted > > > into energy. Neither Jones nor McKibben responded to request for > comment > > > from The Associated Press. > > > > > > “I like so many people in the film and I’m one of those people who > wanted > > > to believe all of these years that that was the right path,” Moore > said. > > > ”
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: SL diff mounts r129
The valve isn't really fragile, but it won't tolerate abuse, and unlike the 123 valve, the 124/201 valve can't be rebuilt. If the spheres are totally flat, you apparently need to unhook the linkage and move the valve to the drain position to drive the car. I needed to relocate the 16v after the spheres died, so I let the rear tires down to 20 psi and drove slowly. Now it sits low and won't pump up. My fault. Mitch. > On October 5, 2019 at 10:48 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes > wrote: > > > I did not know these were so fragile! I have never opened it up. How > complex can it be to rehabilitate the innards? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: SL diff mounts r129
Yabut I need a good core to rebuild, would like to have a spare on the shelf. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC On October 5, 2019 12:51:26 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: >Max, despite rumors to the contrary, you CAN rebuild the dual pump. >BTDT. Q got kits for me. I'd suggest ordering 2 kits, as the >likelihood >of buggering one seal is fairly high, or get one kit, take out the >seals >and buy extras at the local bearing house. The inner seal between the >2 >pumps is the tricky one. > >They are actually pretty simple. As in any hydraulic device, keep >everything in order and cleaner than surgery. For gear pumps, make >sure >the gears are marked and teeth engage the same teeth in the same place, > >etc. I'm sorry, I don't remember what I used to drive the inner seal >in >place. Probably a pipe and a washer/bushing > >Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 10/5/19 5:00 AM: >> If you are removing the SLS, sell me the dual circuit steering pump >and the control valve. > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com > >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: SL diff mounts r129
Glad to hear it! I had no idea there were such struts. How hard was it to track down a source? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC On October 5, 2019 10:45:03 AM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: >Hi Max. The SLS is going back to stock. I got two of the last 3 >sportline >SLS struts out of Germany for it, and sportline springs. So I will be >keeping the SLS valve. I did have to selectively modify the valve >mounting >bracket with a 2lb hammer to get a 22mm rear 500e swaybar to fit, but >other >than that it will be pretty much stock sportline suspension in the end. > >On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 3:01 AM Max Dillon via Mercedes < >mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> If you are removing the SLS, sell me the dual circuit steering pump >and >> the control valve. >> -- >> Max Dillon >> Charleston SC >> >> On October 5, 2019 12:22:14 AM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >Swapping a 500e subframe into the 87 wagon is one of the more >pointless >> >things I have done, but the old one is out and I am building up the >new >> >frame, so no going back. Just did it to fit a 210mm diff in for a >> >limited >> >slip carrier. The whole assembly will all be new stuff, except the >> >pinion >> >seal - didn't feel like messing with the nut on the pinion. >> > >> >It used to squeak from the left rear wheel at slow speeds on bumps. >I >> >thought it was the spindle bearings on the lower control arm, but I >was >> >wrong. Most of the stuff had already been done a few years ago with >> >Meyle >> >etc stuff; those spherical bearings were new and smooth. Of course I >> >had >> >new OE ones, and the tool, so out they came anyway. >> > >> >Come to find the SLS struts have a spherical bearing on the bottom. >> >This >> >chassis must have over 300k on it, and I'm pretty sure these were >the >> >original struts. All oily, the little bellows things were long gone, >> >and >> >the left lower ball joint was completely dry and sticky. I got some >new >> >OE >> >sportline ones out of Germany a while back, so in they go. >> > >> >The rear springs were some dropped height aftermarket affairs. All >they >> >did >> >was wear out my rear tires on the insides. New OE sportline stuff >going >> >in. >> >Then I will have to put new ones in the front to match. >> > >> >The little toe-in eccentric links are NLA from Mercedes, so I got >some >> >Lemforders from partscontainer on ebay. I don't think Lemforder make >> >them >> >any more. >> > >> >The diff mounts are holding me up. Turns out the OE mounts are NLA. >We >> >are >> >talking like early 90s 500sl stuff. I found some in Latvia so they >are >> >probably on a boat somewhere. I even have a fancy diff mount removal >> >tool, >> >but of course it is for a non v8 w124 and the SL/500e mounts have >twice >> >the >> >diameter, so the dies on the removal tool won't work for the larger >> >mounts >> >without ripping the centers out of the old mounts. I guess I will >round >> >up >> >a generic bearing removal tool with a set of dies on ebay or amazon >to >> >get >> >the mounts out and in. If I can get the old ones out in one piece I >> >will >> >dissolve the rubber out and fill them with urethane and maybe use >them >> >in >> >the e420. >> > >> >Once I get the new 500SL diff mounted, I can measure the driveshaft >> >length >> >and see if the v8 sedan rear section will fit. >> > >> >Fortunately the rear wheel bearings had already been done by the >> >previous >> >owner. That job is supposedly a bear on the wagons because the >bearing >> >diameter is bigger and the rollers get caught somehow when pressing >it >> >out. >> >So at least I don't have to go buy a press this weekend. >> > >> >Broke the shield over the fuel pump area (I don't know what it >protects >> >on >> >the diesel cars) just ahead of the right rear wheel well. It had a >> >rounded >> >off nylon nut that was totally inaccessible with the subframe >halfway >> >out. >> >So I could not remove it. Subframe got caught on the shield and >ripped >> >a >> >corner off. Someone in NC had an old stock part. Those shields are >> >pretty >> >strong, with fiber reinforcement of some type. >> > >> >Finally got David Hendy to send me a new red wiring connector for >the >> >airbag, so that was very cool. He is a good guy. I broke the old one >> >when >> >changing the multifunction stalk out. >> > >> >I have been driving the car around with only one front seat for >awhile. >> >Amazing how roomy the car is like that. I have been procrastinating >> >doing >> >the second front seat cover. The sportline seats have more clips and >> >the >> >upper ones are super hard to install once the new cover is on. One >day. >> >The >> >original cover on the passenger 500e seat I am putting in is still >> >pretty >> >decent anyway. Driver side was shopworn with some holes. GAHH covers >> >are >> >OK, but nothing like the original leather. Maybe the original >leather >> >looked like the GAHH stuff when it was newer, but I doubt it. >> > >> >Doe
Re: [MBZ] New Michael Moore-backed doc[umentary] tackles alternative energy
Thanks Craig, indeed an unexpected source. I need to order a copy for all my "non-conservative" friends. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC On October 5, 2019 12:04:18 PM EDT, Craig via Mercedes wrote: >A surprising conclusion from an unexpected place. > > >Craig > > >https://apnews.com/933b49681b0d47d3a005d356f35251ab > >LOS ANGELES (AP) — What if alternative energy isn’t all it’s cracked up >to be? That’s the provocative question explored in the documentary >“Planet of the Humans,” which is backed and promoted by filmmaker >Michael >Moore and directed by one of his longtime collaborators. It premiered >last week at his Traverse City Film Festival. > >The film, which does not yet have distribution, is a low-budget but >piercing examination of what the filmmakers say are the false promises >of >the environmental movement and why we’re still “addicted” to fossil >fuels. Director Jeff Gibbs takes on electric cars, solar panels, >windmills, biomass, biofuel, leading environmentalist groups like the >Sierra Club, and even figures from Al Gore and Van Jones, who served as >Barack Obama’s special adviser for green jobs, to 350.org leader Bill >McKibben, a leading environmentalist and advocate for grassroots >climate >change movements. > >Gibbs, who produced Moore’s “Bowling for Columbine” and “Fahrenheit >9/11,” didn’t set out to take on the environmental movement. He said he >wanted to know why things weren’t getting better. But when he started >pulling on the thread, he and Moore said they were shocked to find how >inextricably entangled alternative energy is with coal and natural gas, >since they say everything from wind turbines to electric car charging >stations are tethered to the grid, and even how two of the Koch >brothers >— Charles and David — are tied to solar panel production through their >glass production business. > >“It turned out the wakeup call was about our own side,” Gibbs said in a >phone interview. “It was kind of crushing to discover that the things I >believed in weren’t real, first of all, and then to discover not only >are >the solar panels and wind turbines not going to save us ... but (also) >that there is this whole dark side of the corporate money ... It dawned >on me that these technologies were just another profit center.” > >Both know the film is going to be a “tough pill to swallow.” It was a >difficult eye-opener for them as well. > >“We all want to feel good about something like the electric car, but in >the back of your head somewhere you’ve thought, ’Yeah, but where is the >electricity coming from?' And it’s like, ‘I don’t want to think about >that, I’m glad we have electric cars,’” Moore said. “I’ve passed by the >windmill farms, and oh it’s so beautiful to see them going, and don’t >tell me that we’ve gone too far now and it isn’t going to save us ... >Well, my feeling is just hit me with everything. I’m like let’s just >deal >with it now, all at once.” > >It’s part of the reason why they had to make it independently. Gibbs >said >he tried for years to get an environmental group on board to help >offset >the costs, only to be turned down at every door. He was further >disheartened when, in the film, he approaches people like Jones, >McKibben >and a local Sierra Club leader, and asks them about their stance on >biofuel and biomass. Biomass, like wood and garbage, can be used to >produce heat and is considered a renewable source of energy. It can >also >be converted to gas or liquid biofuels that can be burned for energy. > >He finds every one ill-prepared to comment on their stance about the >biomass process, which the documentary says requires cutting down >enormous numbers of trees to produce the woodchips that are converted >into energy. Neither Jones nor McKibben responded to request for >comment >from The Associated Press. > >“I like so many people in the film and I’m one of those people who >wanted >to believe all of these years that that was the right path,” Moore >said. >”(But) I refuse to let us die out. I refuse to let this planet die.” > >They were even nervous to show it to the festival crowd, where they >expected maybe a “50-50 response.” Instead, they got a standing >ovation. >And there were even members of The Sierra Club there. > >“It’s up to people who actually share the same values to sometimes call >each other out and bring out the uncomfortable truths,” Gibbs said. >“This >is not a film by climate change deniers, this is a film by people who >really care about the environment.” > >Although the findings will be disheartening, both Gibbs and Moore say >they hope that it inspires people to reset and start thinking >differently. > >“Now we can begin to come up with the right solutions that might make a >difference ... The film doesn’t have the answers but it will get us >asking a better set of questions,” Gibbs said. “I really do trust that >when millions of people are discussing an issue, answers will emerge >... >This is what we do as humans, we solve probl
Re: [MBZ] New Michael Moore-backed doc[umentary] tackles alternative energy
When we first installed our solar we relied on the inverter and a couple 110v lights. I've since installed mostly 12v and downsized one 20w 110v LED fixture to 11w, the 20w was too bright and power hungry. The 12v fixtures are 3w each and provide plenty of light. Nearly every bunk has one now and theres another over the kitchen sink. I finally found a 12v range hood so when that needs replacing we'll go to that. Any time we can use 12v its saving us .25a that the inverter would be wasting. Power saved is power you didn't have to produce and saves money. The solar folks have a rule of thumb, I think its 1:2, a dollar spent on conservation is worth $2 in production. -Curt On Saturday, October 5, 2019, 2:02:15 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: Solar hot water was on almost every house on Oahu when we lived there in the 80s/90s. Not so much on the other islands. I had passive solar on the house I built in 1980. It worked pretty well. about 160 sq ft at 30º off vertical, aimed south. I took the least expensive ideas from the ISU solar house, and Jim Sinatra's solar house in Better homes & gardens (about1980) and integrated them into the design. I can see using photovoltaic/battery to power led lights on 12vDC as a separate system from the AC lines. (in new construction or extensive remodel.) Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 10/5/19 12:38 PM: > So am I the only lister with rooftop solar panels? > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New Michael Moore-backed doc[umentary] tackles alternative energy
I would have them in a heartbeat if the utilities hadn’t lobbied our legislature to make it near impossible to do. -D > On Oct 5, 2019, at 1:52 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > I've got them at camp which is where they make perfect sense. Our use of > propane has cut down by 1/3 and our disposable battery use is down probably > 80%. > Something is wrong with our system though, heavy snows damaged one panel > mount last winter and it ran out of power when my folks were there in > September... I think one of our panels isn't wired in correctly and another > might have come loose. > -Curt > >On Saturday, October 5, 2019, 1:39:29 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via > Mercedes wrote: > > So am I the only lister with rooftop solar panels? > > On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > >> Or, to put it another way, "follow the money". >> >> On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 11:39 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >>> Amazing how the laws of physics (the laws of nature, and nature's God) >>> some times reach out and smack you when you least expect it! Those laws >>> reign over the cult of envirocommies too. >>> >>> Craig via Mercedes wrote on 10/5/19 11:04 AM: A surprising conclusion from an unexpected place. Craig https://apnews.com/933b49681b0d47d3a005d356f35251ab LOS ANGELES (AP) — What if alternative energy isn’t all it’s cracked up to be? That’s the provocative question explored in the documentary “Planet of the Humans,” which is backed and promoted by filmmaker >> Michael Moore and directed by one of his longtime collaborators. It premiered last week at his Traverse City Film Festival. The film, which does not yet have distribution, is a low-budget but piercing examination of what the filmmakers say are the false promises >> of the environmental movement and why we’re still “addicted” to fossil fuels. Director Jeff Gibbs takes on electric cars, solar panels, windmills, biomass, biofuel, leading environmentalist groups like the Sierra Club, and even figures from Al Gore and Van Jones, who served as Barack Obama’s special adviser for green jobs, to 350.org leader Bill McKibben, a leading environmentalist and advocate for grassroots >> climate change movements. Gibbs, who produced Moore’s ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New Michael Moore-backed doc[umentary] tackles alternative energy
Solar hot water was on almost every house on Oahu when we lived there in the 80s/90s. Not so much on the other islands. I had passive solar on the house I built in 1980. It worked pretty well. about 160 sq ft at 30º off vertical, aimed south. I took the least expensive ideas from the ISU solar house, and Jim Sinatra's solar house in Better homes & gardens (about1980) and integrated them into the design. I can see using photovoltaic/battery to power led lights on 12vDC as a separate system from the AC lines. (in new construction or extensive remodel.) Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 10/5/19 12:38 PM: So am I the only lister with rooftop solar panels? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New Michael Moore-backed doc[umentary] tackles alternative energy
I've got them at camp which is where they make perfect sense. Our use of propane has cut down by 1/3 and our disposable battery use is down probably 80%. Something is wrong with our system though, heavy snows damaged one panel mount last winter and it ran out of power when my folks were there in September... I think one of our panels isn't wired in correctly and another might have come loose. -Curt On Saturday, October 5, 2019, 1:39:29 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: So am I the only lister with rooftop solar panels? On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > Or, to put it another way, "follow the money". > > On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 11:39 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Amazing how the laws of physics (the laws of nature, and nature's God) > > some times reach out and smack you when you least expect it! Those laws > > reign over the cult of envirocommies too. > > > > Craig via Mercedes wrote on 10/5/19 11:04 AM: > > > A surprising conclusion from an unexpected place. > > > > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > > https://apnews.com/933b49681b0d47d3a005d356f35251ab > > > > > > LOS ANGELES (AP) — What if alternative energy isn’t all it’s cracked up > > > to be? That’s the provocative question explored in the documentary > > > “Planet of the Humans,” which is backed and promoted by filmmaker > Michael > > > Moore and directed by one of his longtime collaborators. It premiered > > > last week at his Traverse City Film Festival. > > > > > > The film, which does not yet have distribution, is a low-budget but > > > piercing examination of what the filmmakers say are the false promises > of > > > the environmental movement and why we’re still “addicted” to fossil > > > fuels. Director Jeff Gibbs takes on electric cars, solar panels, > > > windmills, biomass, biofuel, leading environmentalist groups like the > > > Sierra Club, and even figures from Al Gore and Van Jones, who served as > > > Barack Obama’s special adviser for green jobs, to 350.org leader Bill > > > McKibben, a leading environmentalist and advocate for grassroots > climate > > > change movements. > > > > > > Gibbs, who produced Moore’s “Bowling for Columbine” and “Fahrenheit > > > 9/11,” didn’t set out to take on the environmental movement. He said he > > > wanted to know why things weren’t getting better. But when he started > > > pulling on the thread, he and Moore said they were shocked to find how > > > inextricably entangled alternative energy is with coal and natural gas, > > > since they say everything from wind turbines to electric car charging > > > stations are tethered to the grid, and even how two of the Koch > brothers > > > — Charles and David — are tied to solar panel production through their > > > glass production business. > > > > > > “It turned out the wakeup call was about our own side,” Gibbs said in a > > > phone interview. “It was kind of crushing to discover that the things I > > > believed in weren’t real, first of all, and then to discover not only > are > > > the solar panels and wind turbines not going to save us ... but (also) > > > that there is this whole dark side of the corporate money ... It dawned > > > on me that these technologies were just another profit center.” > > > > > > Both know the film is going to be a “tough pill to swallow.” It was a > > > difficult eye-opener for them as well. > > > > > > “We all want to feel good about something like the electric car, but in > > > the back of your head somewhere you’ve thought, ’Yeah, but where is the > > > electricity coming from?' And it’s like, ‘I don’t want to think about > > > that, I’m glad we have electric cars,’” Moore said. “I’ve passed by the > > > windmill farms, and oh it’s so beautiful to see them going, and don’t > > > tell me that we’ve gone too far now and it isn’t going to save us ... > > > Well, my feeling is just hit me with everything. I’m like let’s just > deal > > > with it now, all at once.” > > > > > > It’s part of the reason why they had to make it independently. Gibbs > said > > > he tried for years to get an environmental group on board to help > offset > > > the costs, only to be turned down at every door. He was further > > > disheartened when, in the film, he approaches people like Jones, > McKibben > > > and a local Sierra Club leader, and asks them about their stance on > > > biofuel and biomass. Biomass, like wood and garbage, can be used to > > > produce heat and is considered a renewable source of energy. It can > also > > > be converted to gas or liquid biofuels that can be burned for energy. > > > > > > He finds every one ill-prepared to comment on their stance about the > > > biomass process, which the documentary says requires cutting down > > > enormous numbers of trees to produce the woodchips that are converted > > > into energy. Neither Jones nor McKibben responded to request for > comment > > > from The Associated Press. > > > > > > “I like s
Re: [MBZ] New Michael Moore-backed doc[umentary] tackles alternative energy
So am I the only lister with rooftop solar panels? On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > Or, to put it another way, "follow the money". > > On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 11:39 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Amazing how the laws of physics (the laws of nature, and nature's God) > > some times reach out and smack you when you least expect it! Those laws > > reign over the cult of envirocommies too. > > > > Craig via Mercedes wrote on 10/5/19 11:04 AM: > > > A surprising conclusion from an unexpected place. > > > > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > > https://apnews.com/933b49681b0d47d3a005d356f35251ab > > > > > > LOS ANGELES (AP) — What if alternative energy isn’t all it’s cracked up > > > to be? That’s the provocative question explored in the documentary > > > “Planet of the Humans,” which is backed and promoted by filmmaker > Michael > > > Moore and directed by one of his longtime collaborators. It premiered > > > last week at his Traverse City Film Festival. > > > > > > The film, which does not yet have distribution, is a low-budget but > > > piercing examination of what the filmmakers say are the false promises > of > > > the environmental movement and why we’re still “addicted” to fossil > > > fuels. Director Jeff Gibbs takes on electric cars, solar panels, > > > windmills, biomass, biofuel, leading environmentalist groups like the > > > Sierra Club, and even figures from Al Gore and Van Jones, who served as > > > Barack Obama’s special adviser for green jobs, to 350.org leader Bill > > > McKibben, a leading environmentalist and advocate for grassroots > climate > > > change movements. > > > > > > Gibbs, who produced Moore’s “Bowling for Columbine” and “Fahrenheit > > > 9/11,” didn’t set out to take on the environmental movement. He said he > > > wanted to know why things weren’t getting better. But when he started > > > pulling on the thread, he and Moore said they were shocked to find how > > > inextricably entangled alternative energy is with coal and natural gas, > > > since they say everything from wind turbines to electric car charging > > > stations are tethered to the grid, and even how two of the Koch > brothers > > > — Charles and David — are tied to solar panel production through their > > > glass production business. > > > > > > “It turned out the wakeup call was about our own side,” Gibbs said in a > > > phone interview. “It was kind of crushing to discover that the things I > > > believed in weren’t real, first of all, and then to discover not only > are > > > the solar panels and wind turbines not going to save us ... but (also) > > > that there is this whole dark side of the corporate money ... It dawned > > > on me that these technologies were just another profit center.” > > > > > > Both know the film is going to be a “tough pill to swallow.” It was a > > > difficult eye-opener for them as well. > > > > > > “We all want to feel good about something like the electric car, but in > > > the back of your head somewhere you’ve thought, ’Yeah, but where is the > > > electricity coming from?' And it’s like, ‘I don’t want to think about > > > that, I’m glad we have electric cars,’” Moore said. “I’ve passed by the > > > windmill farms, and oh it’s so beautiful to see them going, and don’t > > > tell me that we’ve gone too far now and it isn’t going to save us ... > > > Well, my feeling is just hit me with everything. I’m like let’s just > deal > > > with it now, all at once.” > > > > > > It’s part of the reason why they had to make it independently. Gibbs > said > > > he tried for years to get an environmental group on board to help > offset > > > the costs, only to be turned down at every door. He was further > > > disheartened when, in the film, he approaches people like Jones, > McKibben > > > and a local Sierra Club leader, and asks them about their stance on > > > biofuel and biomass. Biomass, like wood and garbage, can be used to > > > produce heat and is considered a renewable source of energy. It can > also > > > be converted to gas or liquid biofuels that can be burned for energy. > > > > > > He finds every one ill-prepared to comment on their stance about the > > > biomass process, which the documentary says requires cutting down > > > enormous numbers of trees to produce the woodchips that are converted > > > into energy. Neither Jones nor McKibben responded to request for > comment > > > from The Associated Press. > > > > > > “I like so many people in the film and I’m one of those people who > wanted > > > to believe all of these years that that was the right path,” Moore > said. > > > ”(But) I refuse to let us die out. I refuse to let this planet die.” > > > > > > They were even nervous to show it to the festival crowd, where they > > > expected maybe a “50-50 response.” Instead, they got a standing > ovation. > > > And there were even members of The Sierra Club there. > > > > > > “It’s up to people who actually share the same
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Re: [MBZ] New Michael Moore-backed doc[umentary] tackles alternative energy
Or, to put it another way, "follow the money". On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 11:39 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Amazing how the laws of physics (the laws of nature, and nature's God) > some times reach out and smack you when you least expect it! Those laws > reign over the cult of envirocommies too. > > Craig via Mercedes wrote on 10/5/19 11:04 AM: > > A surprising conclusion from an unexpected place. > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > https://apnews.com/933b49681b0d47d3a005d356f35251ab > > > > LOS ANGELES (AP) — What if alternative energy isn’t all it’s cracked up > > to be? That’s the provocative question explored in the documentary > > “Planet of the Humans,” which is backed and promoted by filmmaker Michael > > Moore and directed by one of his longtime collaborators. It premiered > > last week at his Traverse City Film Festival. > > > > The film, which does not yet have distribution, is a low-budget but > > piercing examination of what the filmmakers say are the false promises of > > the environmental movement and why we’re still “addicted” to fossil > > fuels. Director Jeff Gibbs takes on electric cars, solar panels, > > windmills, biomass, biofuel, leading environmentalist groups like the > > Sierra Club, and even figures from Al Gore and Van Jones, who served as > > Barack Obama’s special adviser for green jobs, to 350.org leader Bill > > McKibben, a leading environmentalist and advocate for grassroots climate > > change movements. > > > > Gibbs, who produced Moore’s “Bowling for Columbine” and “Fahrenheit > > 9/11,” didn’t set out to take on the environmental movement. He said he > > wanted to know why things weren’t getting better. But when he started > > pulling on the thread, he and Moore said they were shocked to find how > > inextricably entangled alternative energy is with coal and natural gas, > > since they say everything from wind turbines to electric car charging > > stations are tethered to the grid, and even how two of the Koch brothers > > — Charles and David — are tied to solar panel production through their > > glass production business. > > > > “It turned out the wakeup call was about our own side,” Gibbs said in a > > phone interview. “It was kind of crushing to discover that the things I > > believed in weren’t real, first of all, and then to discover not only are > > the solar panels and wind turbines not going to save us ... but (also) > > that there is this whole dark side of the corporate money ... It dawned > > on me that these technologies were just another profit center.” > > > > Both know the film is going to be a “tough pill to swallow.” It was a > > difficult eye-opener for them as well. > > > > “We all want to feel good about something like the electric car, but in > > the back of your head somewhere you’ve thought, ’Yeah, but where is the > > electricity coming from?' And it’s like, ‘I don’t want to think about > > that, I’m glad we have electric cars,’” Moore said. “I’ve passed by the > > windmill farms, and oh it’s so beautiful to see them going, and don’t > > tell me that we’ve gone too far now and it isn’t going to save us ... > > Well, my feeling is just hit me with everything. I’m like let’s just deal > > with it now, all at once.” > > > > It’s part of the reason why they had to make it independently. Gibbs said > > he tried for years to get an environmental group on board to help offset > > the costs, only to be turned down at every door. He was further > > disheartened when, in the film, he approaches people like Jones, McKibben > > and a local Sierra Club leader, and asks them about their stance on > > biofuel and biomass. Biomass, like wood and garbage, can be used to > > produce heat and is considered a renewable source of energy. It can also > > be converted to gas or liquid biofuels that can be burned for energy. > > > > He finds every one ill-prepared to comment on their stance about the > > biomass process, which the documentary says requires cutting down > > enormous numbers of trees to produce the woodchips that are converted > > into energy. Neither Jones nor McKibben responded to request for comment > > from The Associated Press. > > > > “I like so many people in the film and I’m one of those people who wanted > > to believe all of these years that that was the right path,” Moore said. > > ”(But) I refuse to let us die out. I refuse to let this planet die.” > > > > They were even nervous to show it to the festival crowd, where they > > expected maybe a “50-50 response.” Instead, they got a standing ovation. > > And there were even members of The Sierra Club there. > > > > “It’s up to people who actually share the same values to sometimes call > > each other out and bring out the uncomfortable truths,” Gibbs said. “This > > is not a film by climate change deniers, this is a film by people who > > really care about the environment.” > > > > Although the findings will be disheartening, both Gibbs and Moore say > > they hope tha
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: SL diff mounts r129
Max, despite rumors to the contrary, you CAN rebuild the dual pump. BTDT. Q got kits for me. I'd suggest ordering 2 kits, as the likelihood of buggering one seal is fairly high, or get one kit, take out the seals and buy extras at the local bearing house. The inner seal between the 2 pumps is the tricky one. They are actually pretty simple. As in any hydraulic device, keep everything in order and cleaner than surgery. For gear pumps, make sure the gears are marked and teeth engage the same teeth in the same place, etc. I'm sorry, I don't remember what I used to drive the inner seal in place. Probably a pipe and a washer/bushing Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 10/5/19 5:00 AM: If you are removing the SLS, sell me the dual circuit steering pump and the control valve. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New Michael Moore-backed doc[umentary] tackles alternative energy
Amazing how the laws of physics (the laws of nature, and nature's God) some times reach out and smack you when you least expect it! Those laws reign over the cult of envirocommies too. Craig via Mercedes wrote on 10/5/19 11:04 AM: A surprising conclusion from an unexpected place. Craig https://apnews.com/933b49681b0d47d3a005d356f35251ab LOS ANGELES (AP) — What if alternative energy isn’t all it’s cracked up to be? That’s the provocative question explored in the documentary “Planet of the Humans,” which is backed and promoted by filmmaker Michael Moore and directed by one of his longtime collaborators. It premiered last week at his Traverse City Film Festival. The film, which does not yet have distribution, is a low-budget but piercing examination of what the filmmakers say are the false promises of the environmental movement and why we’re still “addicted” to fossil fuels. Director Jeff Gibbs takes on electric cars, solar panels, windmills, biomass, biofuel, leading environmentalist groups like the Sierra Club, and even figures from Al Gore and Van Jones, who served as Barack Obama’s special adviser for green jobs, to 350.org leader Bill McKibben, a leading environmentalist and advocate for grassroots climate change movements. Gibbs, who produced Moore’s “Bowling for Columbine” and “Fahrenheit 9/11,” didn’t set out to take on the environmental movement. He said he wanted to know why things weren’t getting better. But when he started pulling on the thread, he and Moore said they were shocked to find how inextricably entangled alternative energy is with coal and natural gas, since they say everything from wind turbines to electric car charging stations are tethered to the grid, and even how two of the Koch brothers — Charles and David — are tied to solar panel production through their glass production business. “It turned out the wakeup call was about our own side,” Gibbs said in a phone interview. “It was kind of crushing to discover that the things I believed in weren’t real, first of all, and then to discover not only are the solar panels and wind turbines not going to save us ... but (also) that there is this whole dark side of the corporate money ... It dawned on me that these technologies were just another profit center.” Both know the film is going to be a “tough pill to swallow.” It was a difficult eye-opener for them as well. “We all want to feel good about something like the electric car, but in the back of your head somewhere you’ve thought, ’Yeah, but where is the electricity coming from?' And it’s like, ‘I don’t want to think about that, I’m glad we have electric cars,’” Moore said. “I’ve passed by the windmill farms, and oh it’s so beautiful to see them going, and don’t tell me that we’ve gone too far now and it isn’t going to save us ... Well, my feeling is just hit me with everything. I’m like let’s just deal with it now, all at once.” It’s part of the reason why they had to make it independently. Gibbs said he tried for years to get an environmental group on board to help offset the costs, only to be turned down at every door. He was further disheartened when, in the film, he approaches people like Jones, McKibben and a local Sierra Club leader, and asks them about their stance on biofuel and biomass. Biomass, like wood and garbage, can be used to produce heat and is considered a renewable source of energy. It can also be converted to gas or liquid biofuels that can be burned for energy. He finds every one ill-prepared to comment on their stance about the biomass process, which the documentary says requires cutting down enormous numbers of trees to produce the woodchips that are converted into energy. Neither Jones nor McKibben responded to request for comment from The Associated Press. “I like so many people in the film and I’m one of those people who wanted to believe all of these years that that was the right path,” Moore said. ”(But) I refuse to let us die out. I refuse to let this planet die.” They were even nervous to show it to the festival crowd, where they expected maybe a “50-50 response.” Instead, they got a standing ovation. And there were even members of The Sierra Club there. “It’s up to people who actually share the same values to sometimes call each other out and bring out the uncomfortable truths,” Gibbs said. “This is not a film by climate change deniers, this is a film by people who really care about the environment.” Although the findings will be disheartening, both Gibbs and Moore say they hope that it inspires people to reset and start thinking differently. “Now we can begin to come up with the right solutions that might make a difference ... The film doesn’t have the answers but it will get us asking a better set of questions,” Gibbs said. “I really do trust that when millions of people are discussing an issue, answers will emerge ... This is what we do as humans, we solve problems, but we’ve got to have the right questions.”
Re: [MBZ] New Michael Moore-backed doc[umentary] tackles alternative energy
"Even a blind pig will find an acorn occasionally." And, Michael Moore certainly qualifies as one. ;))) [sarcastic remark folks] On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 9:05 AM Craig via Mercedes wrote: > A surprising conclusion from an unexpected place. > > > Craig > > > https://apnews.com/933b49681b0d47d3a005d356f35251ab > > LOS ANGELES (AP) — What if alternative energy isn’t all it’s cracked up > to be? That’s the provocative question explored in the documentary > “Planet of the Humans,” which is backed and promoted by filmmaker Michael > Moore and directed by one of his longtime collaborators. It premiered > last week at his Traverse City Film Festival. > > The film, which does not yet have distribution, is a low-budget but > piercing examination of what the filmmakers say are the false promises of > the environmental movement and why we’re still “addicted” to fossil > fuels. Director Jeff Gibbs takes on electric cars, solar panels, > windmills, biomass, biofuel, leading environmentalist groups like the > Sierra Club, and even figures from Al Gore and Van Jones, who served as > Barack Obama’s special adviser for green jobs, to 350.org leader Bill > McKibben, a leading environmentalist and advocate for grassroots climate > change movements. > > Gibbs, who produced Moore’s “Bowling for Columbine” and “Fahrenheit > 9/11,” didn’t set out to take on the environmental movement. He said he > wanted to know why things weren’t getting better. But when he started > pulling on the thread, he and Moore said they were shocked to find how > inextricably entangled alternative energy is with coal and natural gas, > since they say everything from wind turbines to electric car charging > stations are tethered to the grid, and even how two of the Koch brothers > — Charles and David — are tied to solar panel production through their > glass production business. > > “It turned out the wakeup call was about our own side,” Gibbs said in a > phone interview. “It was kind of crushing to discover that the things I > believed in weren’t real, first of all, and then to discover not only are > the solar panels and wind turbines not going to save us ... but (also) > that there is this whole dark side of the corporate money ... It dawned > on me that these technologies were just another profit center.” > > Both know the film is going to be a “tough pill to swallow.” It was a > difficult eye-opener for them as well. > > “We all want to feel good about something like the electric car, but in > the back of your head somewhere you’ve thought, ’Yeah, but where is the > electricity coming from?' And it’s like, ‘I don’t want to think about > that, I’m glad we have electric cars,’” Moore said. “I’ve passed by the > windmill farms, and oh it’s so beautiful to see them going, and don’t > tell me that we’ve gone too far now and it isn’t going to save us ... > Well, my feeling is just hit me with everything. I’m like let’s just deal > with it now, all at once.” > > It’s part of the reason why they had to make it independently. Gibbs said > he tried for years to get an environmental group on board to help offset > the costs, only to be turned down at every door. He was further > disheartened when, in the film, he approaches people like Jones, McKibben > and a local Sierra Club leader, and asks them about their stance on > biofuel and biomass. Biomass, like wood and garbage, can be used to > produce heat and is considered a renewable source of energy. It can also > be converted to gas or liquid biofuels that can be burned for energy. > > He finds every one ill-prepared to comment on their stance about the > biomass process, which the documentary says requires cutting down > enormous numbers of trees to produce the woodchips that are converted > into energy. Neither Jones nor McKibben responded to request for comment > from The Associated Press. > > “I like so many people in the film and I’m one of those people who wanted > to believe all of these years that that was the right path,” Moore said. > ”(But) I refuse to let us die out. I refuse to let this planet die.” > > They were even nervous to show it to the festival crowd, where they > expected maybe a “50-50 response.” Instead, they got a standing ovation. > And there were even members of The Sierra Club there. > > “It’s up to people who actually share the same values to sometimes call > each other out and bring out the uncomfortable truths,” Gibbs said. “This > is not a film by climate change deniers, this is a film by people who > really care about the environment.” > > Although the findings will be disheartening, both Gibbs and Moore say > they hope that it inspires people to reset and start thinking differently. > > “Now we can begin to come up with the right solutions that might make a > difference ... The film doesn’t have the answers but it will get us > asking a better set of questions,” Gibbs said. “I really do trust that > when millions of people are discussing an issue, answers will emerge ... >
[MBZ] New Michael Moore-backed doc[umentary] tackles alternative energy
A surprising conclusion from an unexpected place. Craig https://apnews.com/933b49681b0d47d3a005d356f35251ab LOS ANGELES (AP) — What if alternative energy isn’t all it’s cracked up to be? That’s the provocative question explored in the documentary “Planet of the Humans,” which is backed and promoted by filmmaker Michael Moore and directed by one of his longtime collaborators. It premiered last week at his Traverse City Film Festival. The film, which does not yet have distribution, is a low-budget but piercing examination of what the filmmakers say are the false promises of the environmental movement and why we’re still “addicted” to fossil fuels. Director Jeff Gibbs takes on electric cars, solar panels, windmills, biomass, biofuel, leading environmentalist groups like the Sierra Club, and even figures from Al Gore and Van Jones, who served as Barack Obama’s special adviser for green jobs, to 350.org leader Bill McKibben, a leading environmentalist and advocate for grassroots climate change movements. Gibbs, who produced Moore’s “Bowling for Columbine” and “Fahrenheit 9/11,” didn’t set out to take on the environmental movement. He said he wanted to know why things weren’t getting better. But when he started pulling on the thread, he and Moore said they were shocked to find how inextricably entangled alternative energy is with coal and natural gas, since they say everything from wind turbines to electric car charging stations are tethered to the grid, and even how two of the Koch brothers — Charles and David — are tied to solar panel production through their glass production business. “It turned out the wakeup call was about our own side,” Gibbs said in a phone interview. “It was kind of crushing to discover that the things I believed in weren’t real, first of all, and then to discover not only are the solar panels and wind turbines not going to save us ... but (also) that there is this whole dark side of the corporate money ... It dawned on me that these technologies were just another profit center.” Both know the film is going to be a “tough pill to swallow.” It was a difficult eye-opener for them as well. “We all want to feel good about something like the electric car, but in the back of your head somewhere you’ve thought, ’Yeah, but where is the electricity coming from?' And it’s like, ‘I don’t want to think about that, I’m glad we have electric cars,’” Moore said. “I’ve passed by the windmill farms, and oh it’s so beautiful to see them going, and don’t tell me that we’ve gone too far now and it isn’t going to save us ... Well, my feeling is just hit me with everything. I’m like let’s just deal with it now, all at once.” It’s part of the reason why they had to make it independently. Gibbs said he tried for years to get an environmental group on board to help offset the costs, only to be turned down at every door. He was further disheartened when, in the film, he approaches people like Jones, McKibben and a local Sierra Club leader, and asks them about their stance on biofuel and biomass. Biomass, like wood and garbage, can be used to produce heat and is considered a renewable source of energy. It can also be converted to gas or liquid biofuels that can be burned for energy. He finds every one ill-prepared to comment on their stance about the biomass process, which the documentary says requires cutting down enormous numbers of trees to produce the woodchips that are converted into energy. Neither Jones nor McKibben responded to request for comment from The Associated Press. “I like so many people in the film and I’m one of those people who wanted to believe all of these years that that was the right path,” Moore said. ”(But) I refuse to let us die out. I refuse to let this planet die.” They were even nervous to show it to the festival crowd, where they expected maybe a “50-50 response.” Instead, they got a standing ovation. And there were even members of The Sierra Club there. “It’s up to people who actually share the same values to sometimes call each other out and bring out the uncomfortable truths,” Gibbs said. “This is not a film by climate change deniers, this is a film by people who really care about the environment.” Although the findings will be disheartening, both Gibbs and Moore say they hope that it inspires people to reset and start thinking differently. “Now we can begin to come up with the right solutions that might make a difference ... The film doesn’t have the answers but it will get us asking a better set of questions,” Gibbs said. “I really do trust that when millions of people are discussing an issue, answers will emerge ... This is what we do as humans, we solve problems, but we’ve got to have the right questions.” ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: SL diff mounts r129
I did not know these were so fragile! I have never opened it up. How complex can it be to rehabilitate the innards? I am keeping SLS. Sorry that wasn't clear. Would have been far cheaper to ditch it, but oh well. On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 4:14 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Attaboy. > Max beat me to asking for the 124 SLS control valve. > I think my 2.3-16 ate another one when the spheres dies. > Mitch. > > On October 5, 2019 at 12:22 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > Swapping a 500e subframe into the 87 wagon is one of the more pointless > > things I have done, but the old one is out and I am building up the new > > frame, so no going back. Just did it to fit a 210mm diff in for a limited > > slip carrier. The whole assembly will all be new stuff, except the pinion > > seal - didn't feel like messing with the nut on the pinion. > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: SL diff mounts r129
Perfect. Just what I needed to know. Thanks. The 500e had little super hard red ones in there, so I will use them. I rarely bottom out, but it is nice to have some insurance. On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 5:01 AM Dan--- via Mercedes wrote: > I believe you can swap the snubbers by just removing the nut on the top of > the strut and carefully lowering the control arm enough to get the rod from > the strut out of the mount. > > I’ve done it on an R129, which has slightly different suspension. > > -D > > > On Oct 5, 2019, at 7:13 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Attaboy. > > Max beat me to asking for the 124 SLS control valve. > > I think my 2.3-16 ate another one when the spheres dies. > > Mitch. > >> On October 5, 2019 at 12:22 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >> Swapping a 500e subframe into the 87 wagon is one of the more pointless > >> things I have done, but the old one is out and I am building up the new > >> frame, so no going back. Just did it to fit a 210mm diff in for a > limited > >> slip carrier. The whole assembly will all be new stuff, except the > pinion > >> seal - didn't feel like messing with the nut on the pinion. > >> > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: SL diff mounts r129
Hi Max. The SLS is going back to stock. I got two of the last 3 sportline SLS struts out of Germany for it, and sportline springs. So I will be keeping the SLS valve. I did have to selectively modify the valve mounting bracket with a 2lb hammer to get a 22mm rear 500e swaybar to fit, but other than that it will be pretty much stock sportline suspension in the end. On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 3:01 AM Max Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > If you are removing the SLS, sell me the dual circuit steering pump and > the control valve. > -- > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > > On October 5, 2019 12:22:14 AM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >Swapping a 500e subframe into the 87 wagon is one of the more pointless > >things I have done, but the old one is out and I am building up the new > >frame, so no going back. Just did it to fit a 210mm diff in for a > >limited > >slip carrier. The whole assembly will all be new stuff, except the > >pinion > >seal - didn't feel like messing with the nut on the pinion. > > > >It used to squeak from the left rear wheel at slow speeds on bumps. I > >thought it was the spindle bearings on the lower control arm, but I was > >wrong. Most of the stuff had already been done a few years ago with > >Meyle > >etc stuff; those spherical bearings were new and smooth. Of course I > >had > >new OE ones, and the tool, so out they came anyway. > > > >Come to find the SLS struts have a spherical bearing on the bottom. > >This > >chassis must have over 300k on it, and I'm pretty sure these were the > >original struts. All oily, the little bellows things were long gone, > >and > >the left lower ball joint was completely dry and sticky. I got some new > >OE > >sportline ones out of Germany a while back, so in they go. > > > >The rear springs were some dropped height aftermarket affairs. All they > >did > >was wear out my rear tires on the insides. New OE sportline stuff going > >in. > >Then I will have to put new ones in the front to match. > > > >The little toe-in eccentric links are NLA from Mercedes, so I got some > >Lemforders from partscontainer on ebay. I don't think Lemforder make > >them > >any more. > > > >The diff mounts are holding me up. Turns out the OE mounts are NLA. We > >are > >talking like early 90s 500sl stuff. I found some in Latvia so they are > >probably on a boat somewhere. I even have a fancy diff mount removal > >tool, > >but of course it is for a non v8 w124 and the SL/500e mounts have twice > >the > >diameter, so the dies on the removal tool won't work for the larger > >mounts > >without ripping the centers out of the old mounts. I guess I will round > >up > >a generic bearing removal tool with a set of dies on ebay or amazon to > >get > >the mounts out and in. If I can get the old ones out in one piece I > >will > >dissolve the rubber out and fill them with urethane and maybe use them > >in > >the e420. > > > >Once I get the new 500SL diff mounted, I can measure the driveshaft > >length > >and see if the v8 sedan rear section will fit. > > > >Fortunately the rear wheel bearings had already been done by the > >previous > >owner. That job is supposedly a bear on the wagons because the bearing > >diameter is bigger and the rollers get caught somehow when pressing it > >out. > >So at least I don't have to go buy a press this weekend. > > > >Broke the shield over the fuel pump area (I don't know what it protects > >on > >the diesel cars) just ahead of the right rear wheel well. It had a > >rounded > >off nylon nut that was totally inaccessible with the subframe halfway > >out. > >So I could not remove it. Subframe got caught on the shield and ripped > >a > >corner off. Someone in NC had an old stock part. Those shields are > >pretty > >strong, with fiber reinforcement of some type. > > > >Finally got David Hendy to send me a new red wiring connector for the > >airbag, so that was very cool. He is a good guy. I broke the old one > >when > >changing the multifunction stalk out. > > > >I have been driving the car around with only one front seat for awhile. > >Amazing how roomy the car is like that. I have been procrastinating > >doing > >the second front seat cover. The sportline seats have more clips and > >the > >upper ones are super hard to install once the new cover is on. One day. > >The > >original cover on the passenger 500e seat I am putting in is still > >pretty > >decent anyway. Driver side was shopworn with some holes. GAHH covers > >are > >OK, but nothing like the original leather. Maybe the original leather > >looked like the GAHH stuff when it was newer, but I doubt it. > > > >Does anyone know how to put the bump stops on the front struts? Can the > >top > >mount just be removed, or is it spring loaded? > > > >If anyone needs a non-v8 w124 diff mount tool, or the fancy one for the > >spherical spindle bearings on a 124, let me know. > >___ > >http://www.okiebenz.com > > > >To search
Re: [MBZ] Mildly interested in this 07 ML320
Huntington Valley is,southern PA. Migjt not be,rusty. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Fri, Oct 4, 2019, 11:34 PM Craig via Mercedes wrote: > On Fri, 04 Oct 2019 12:18:17 -0400 Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Looking to replace the Frontier with something that has more passenger > > room and can still do winter driving and some hauling. > > > > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Mercedes-Benz-M-Class-ML320-CDI-DIESEL-4WD-SUV-CLEAN-CARFAX-NON-SMOKER/153670900650?hash=item23c77fdbaa:g:Sh8AAOSwHzNdbZuX > > > > Thoughts? > > > > A little worried about rust given the location. The Frontier is > > disintegrating from within with rust. Outside it looks good but frame > > and everything underneath is cancerous. > > If you a a little worried about a vehicle from Pennsylvania, why not look > for one from the southern tier. The South Carolina boys and Dan in Florida > find lots of good ones. > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: SL diff mounts r129
Waytago! Strong work! Good info! Some year I should borrow that diff mount tool. What Dan said for the strut bumpers. +1 Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 10/4/19 11:22 PM: Swapping a 500e subframe into the 87 wagon is one of the more pointless things I have done, but the old one is out and I am building up the new frame, so no going back. Just did it to fit a 210mm diff in for a limited slip carrier. The whole assembly will all be new stuff, except the pinion seal - didn't feel like messing with the nut on the pinion. It used to squeak from the left rear wheel at slow speeds on bumps. I thought it was the spindle bearings on the lower control arm, but I was wrong. Most of the stuff had already been done a few years ago with Meyle etc stuff; those spherical bearings were new and smooth. Of course I had new OE ones, and the tool, so out they came anyway. Come to find the SLS struts have a spherical bearing on the bottom. This chassis must have over 300k on it, and I'm pretty sure these were the original struts. All oily, the little bellows things were long gone, and the left lower ball joint was completely dry and sticky. I got some new OE sportline ones out of Germany a while back, so in they go. The rear springs were some dropped height aftermarket affairs. All they did was wear out my rear tires on the insides. New OE sportline stuff going in. Then I will have to put new ones in the front to match. The little toe-in eccentric links are NLA from Mercedes, so I got some Lemforders from partscontainer on ebay. I don't think Lemforder make them any more. The diff mounts are holding me up. Turns out the OE mounts are NLA. We are talking like early 90s 500sl stuff. I found some in Latvia so they are probably on a boat somewhere. I even have a fancy diff mount removal tool, but of course it is for a non v8 w124 and the SL/500e mounts have twice the diameter, so the dies on the removal tool won't work for the larger mounts without ripping the centers out of the old mounts. I guess I will round up a generic bearing removal tool with a set of dies on ebay or amazon to get the mounts out and in. If I can get the old ones out in one piece I will dissolve the rubber out and fill them with urethane and maybe use them in the e420. Once I get the new 500SL diff mounted, I can measure the driveshaft length and see if the v8 sedan rear section will fit. Fortunately the rear wheel bearings had already been done by the previous owner. That job is supposedly a bear on the wagons because the bearing diameter is bigger and the rollers get caught somehow when pressing it out. So at least I don't have to go buy a press this weekend. Broke the shield over the fuel pump area (I don't know what it protects on the diesel cars) just ahead of the right rear wheel well. It had a rounded off nylon nut that was totally inaccessible with the subframe halfway out. So I could not remove it. Subframe got caught on the shield and ripped a corner off. Someone in NC had an old stock part. Those shields are pretty strong, with fiber reinforcement of some type. Finally got David Hendy to send me a new red wiring connector for the airbag, so that was very cool. He is a good guy. I broke the old one when changing the multifunction stalk out. I have been driving the car around with only one front seat for awhile. Amazing how roomy the car is like that. I have been procrastinating doing the second front seat cover. The sportline seats have more clips and the upper ones are super hard to install once the new cover is on. One day. The original cover on the passenger 500e seat I am putting in is still pretty decent anyway. Driver side was shopworn with some holes. GAHH covers are OK, but nothing like the original leather. Maybe the original leather looked like the GAHH stuff when it was newer, but I doubt it. Does anyone know how to put the bump stops on the front struts? Can the top mount just be removed, or is it spring loaded? If anyone needs a non-v8 w124 diff mount tool, or the fancy one for the spherical spindle bearings on a 124, let me know. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: SL diff mounts r129
I believe you can swap the snubbers by just removing the nut on the top of the strut and carefully lowering the control arm enough to get the rod from the strut out of the mount. I’ve done it on an R129, which has slightly different suspension. -D > On Oct 5, 2019, at 7:13 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > > Attaboy. > Max beat me to asking for the 124 SLS control valve. > I think my 2.3-16 ate another one when the spheres dies. > Mitch. >> On October 5, 2019 at 12:22 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> >> Swapping a 500e subframe into the 87 wagon is one of the more pointless >> things I have done, but the old one is out and I am building up the new >> frame, so no going back. Just did it to fit a 210mm diff in for a limited >> slip carrier. The whole assembly will all be new stuff, except the pinion >> seal - didn't feel like messing with the nut on the pinion. >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It’s like a whole new Bob!
I'm glad this made a big difference!! More than you want to know about adjusting the linkage is here: https://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/12265/disc_2/program/Engine/617/30-300.pdf This is really useful if someone has seriously messed things up and you need to get back to a base line. Note section C is where the 300D turbo is referenced. The biggest issues I've found is that you no longer reach the full load stop on the injection pump. That is, with your foot to the floor, you don't make it to the max stop at the pump linkage. Have a look at this, as it can make a big difference in the amount of go. As mentioned, the clunk can be vacuum. Can also be a flex disc which is sloppy. You can check this by driving on flat ground ~40mph... if you press and release the accelerator to load and unload the drive shaft and hear a clunk each time, then you have to look at the driveshaft/flex discs. If its really only on downshift, then its likely a vacuum leak. Jaime On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 4:32 PM Don Snook via Mercedes wrote: > The Bowden cable was sort of the issue. The linkage was not placed > corrected. When the throttle linkage moved, it was not pulling the cable at > all. I clicked it over and it was like EUREKA! So, I just went for a > drive and it downshifted, it delayed upshift as I was accelerating and it > shifted into third! It’s like a rocket by comparison. Really! > > So, the transmission was not shifting due to any input from the throttle. > It was simply shifting based on a rev limit. So, it didn’t know I was > accelerating and it never made it to third because I didn’t ever reach the > rev limit for 4th. > > WOW! You guys are great! Thanks so much to Jamie and Meade!!! > > Now, I need to figure out the big clunk when it downshifts when I’m > slowing down. Is that some sort of transmission mount? > > Donald H. Snook > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: SL diff mounts r129
Attaboy. Max beat me to asking for the 124 SLS control valve. I think my 2.3-16 ate another one when the spheres dies. Mitch. > On October 5, 2019 at 12:22 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Swapping a 500e subframe into the 87 wagon is one of the more pointless > things I have done, but the old one is out and I am building up the new > frame, so no going back. Just did it to fit a 210mm diff in for a limited > slip carrier. The whole assembly will all be new stuff, except the pinion > seal - didn't feel like messing with the nut on the pinion. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: SL diff mounts r129
If you are removing the SLS, sell me the dual circuit steering pump and the control valve. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC On October 5, 2019 12:22:14 AM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: >Swapping a 500e subframe into the 87 wagon is one of the more pointless >things I have done, but the old one is out and I am building up the new >frame, so no going back. Just did it to fit a 210mm diff in for a >limited >slip carrier. The whole assembly will all be new stuff, except the >pinion >seal - didn't feel like messing with the nut on the pinion. > >It used to squeak from the left rear wheel at slow speeds on bumps. I >thought it was the spindle bearings on the lower control arm, but I was >wrong. Most of the stuff had already been done a few years ago with >Meyle >etc stuff; those spherical bearings were new and smooth. Of course I >had >new OE ones, and the tool, so out they came anyway. > >Come to find the SLS struts have a spherical bearing on the bottom. >This >chassis must have over 300k on it, and I'm pretty sure these were the >original struts. All oily, the little bellows things were long gone, >and >the left lower ball joint was completely dry and sticky. I got some new >OE >sportline ones out of Germany a while back, so in they go. > >The rear springs were some dropped height aftermarket affairs. All they >did >was wear out my rear tires on the insides. New OE sportline stuff going >in. >Then I will have to put new ones in the front to match. > >The little toe-in eccentric links are NLA from Mercedes, so I got some >Lemforders from partscontainer on ebay. I don't think Lemforder make >them >any more. > >The diff mounts are holding me up. Turns out the OE mounts are NLA. We >are >talking like early 90s 500sl stuff. I found some in Latvia so they are >probably on a boat somewhere. I even have a fancy diff mount removal >tool, >but of course it is for a non v8 w124 and the SL/500e mounts have twice >the >diameter, so the dies on the removal tool won't work for the larger >mounts >without ripping the centers out of the old mounts. I guess I will round >up >a generic bearing removal tool with a set of dies on ebay or amazon to >get >the mounts out and in. If I can get the old ones out in one piece I >will >dissolve the rubber out and fill them with urethane and maybe use them >in >the e420. > >Once I get the new 500SL diff mounted, I can measure the driveshaft >length >and see if the v8 sedan rear section will fit. > >Fortunately the rear wheel bearings had already been done by the >previous >owner. That job is supposedly a bear on the wagons because the bearing >diameter is bigger and the rollers get caught somehow when pressing it >out. >So at least I don't have to go buy a press this weekend. > >Broke the shield over the fuel pump area (I don't know what it protects >on >the diesel cars) just ahead of the right rear wheel well. It had a >rounded >off nylon nut that was totally inaccessible with the subframe halfway >out. >So I could not remove it. Subframe got caught on the shield and ripped >a >corner off. Someone in NC had an old stock part. Those shields are >pretty >strong, with fiber reinforcement of some type. > >Finally got David Hendy to send me a new red wiring connector for the >airbag, so that was very cool. He is a good guy. I broke the old one >when >changing the multifunction stalk out. > >I have been driving the car around with only one front seat for awhile. >Amazing how roomy the car is like that. I have been procrastinating >doing >the second front seat cover. The sportline seats have more clips and >the >upper ones are super hard to install once the new cover is on. One day. >The >original cover on the passenger 500e seat I am putting in is still >pretty >decent anyway. Driver side was shopworn with some holes. GAHH covers >are >OK, but nothing like the original leather. Maybe the original leather >looked like the GAHH stuff when it was newer, but I doubt it. > >Does anyone know how to put the bump stops on the front struts? Can the >top >mount just be removed, or is it spring loaded? > >If anyone needs a non-v8 w124 diff mount tool, or the fancy one for the >spherical spindle bearings on a 124, let me know. >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com > >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
